Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C SFP

2019-05-14 Thread SmarterBroadband 
Yes over complicated.  Old units, adding second data connection over fiber.  
Plan is to LAG Data 1 and 2 to increase throughput to over 1 Gig.

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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 3:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C SFP

I always thought they were overly complicated.
If it's a new unit, tech support will help you set it up.  You'll probably 
never have to look at it again so IMO just let them take care of it.

-Adam


On 5/14/2019 5:42 PM, Trey Scarborough wrote:
> Yes you will have to provision a service on them for it to pass traffic.
>
> On 5/14/2019 1:46 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>> Hi Caleb
>>
>> Yes, done that.  Admin status is up.  Operational status is Down
>>
>> What else do I need?  Ethernet Services?  Service Points?
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 10:58 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C SFP
>>
>> Go to the Interface Manager and turn on/off GE ports that you want to 
>> use.
>> 1 is the copper port, 2 is the first sfp cage, 3 is the sfp cage that 
>> may or may not be used for MIMO depending on HW model so probably 
>> stick with port 2.  It's under the System tab or something on top of 
>> the tree, don't have one handy to look.
>>
>> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:49 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>>> I am trying to get a fiber SFP working in my IP-20C.  I am licensed 
>>> for
>> two GbE ports.   I must be missing something.
>>>
>>>
>>> Can anyone list the steps to get this working?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

2019-05-14 Thread Seth Mattinen 

On 5/14/19 3:32 PM, Robert via AF wrote:
The industrial components that are mentioned below, the other version is 
usually called consumer...   Guess what Ubiquiti buys?



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Re: [AFMUG] Stacked switches for small network

2019-05-14 Thread Gino A. Villarini 
Heard good stuff from it, HW is limited

From: AF  on behalf of Mark Frost 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 8:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stacked switches for small network

Has anyone evaluated OcNOS from IP Infusion?

https://www.ipinfusion.com/products/ocnos/

Its seems to be the only whitebox OS that isn’t solely focused on the Data 
Centre Market (it has MPLS support).

From: AF  On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2019 09:21
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stacked switches for small network

i have watched this space for a while but I have not found the proper OS to 
support the features we need


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From: AF  on behalf of Adam Moffett 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 4:35 PM
To: "af@af.afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stacked switches for small network

On this topic, has anybody used Open Connect architecture switches?

I have a guy pitching the idea at me.  He claims most switches are actually 
manufactured by the same couple of OEM's in Taiwan.  The idea is you buy the 
bare metal and then license a Linux software to run on the hardware.  The 
actual switching happens in ASIC's so the software is just for config and 
management, and there are several options to pick from.  Part of the pitch is 
single pane of glass management.

-Adam
On 5/14/2019 3:56 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

You could have gotten your Cisco switches for 1/2 off from Huawei.



bp




On 5/14/2019 11:50 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Had I started now I probably would have just purchased the Cisco switches 
available instead of F10, but I don’t think they were available back when I 
started purchasing those.


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Re: [AFMUG] Stacked switches for small network

2019-05-14 Thread Mark Frost 
Has anyone evaluated OcNOS from IP Infusion?

https://www.ipinfusion.com/products/ocnos/

Its seems to be the only whitebox OS that isn’t solely focused on the Data 
Centre Market (it has MPLS support).

From: AF  On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, 15 May 2019 09:21
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stacked switches for small network

i have watched this space for a while but I have not found the proper OS to 
support the features we need


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From: AF  on behalf of Adam Moffett 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 4:35 PM
To: "af@af.afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stacked switches for small network

On this topic, has anybody used Open Connect architecture switches?

I have a guy pitching the idea at me.  He claims most switches are actually 
manufactured by the same couple of OEM's in Taiwan.  The idea is you buy the 
bare metal and then license a Linux software to run on the hardware.  The 
actual switching happens in ASIC's so the software is just for config and 
management, and there are several options to pick from.  Part of the pitch is 
single pane of glass management.

-Adam
On 5/14/2019 3:56 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

You could have gotten your Cisco switches for 1/2 off from Huawei.



bp




On 5/14/2019 11:50 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Had I started now I probably would have just purchased the Cisco switches 
available instead of F10, but I don’t think they were available back when I 
started purchasing those.


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Re: [AFMUG] Stacked switches for small network

2019-05-14 Thread Gino A. Villarini 
i have watched this space for a while but I have not found the proper OS to 
support the features we need


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From: AF  on behalf of Adam Moffett 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 4:35 PM
To: "af@af.afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stacked switches for small network

On this topic, has anybody used Open Connect architecture switches?

I have a guy pitching the idea at me.  He claims most switches are actually 
manufactured by the same couple of OEM's in Taiwan.  The idea is you buy the 
bare metal and then license a Linux software to run on the hardware.  The 
actual switching happens in ASIC's so the software is just for config and 
management, and there are several options to pick from.  Part of the pitch is 
single pane of glass management.

-Adam

On 5/14/2019 3:56 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

You could have gotten your Cisco switches for 1/2 off from Huawei.



bp




On 5/14/2019 11:50 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Had I started now I probably would have just purchased the Cisco switches 
available instead of F10, but I don’t think they were available back when I 
started purchasing those.




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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

2019-05-14 Thread chuck 
Caps hate cold unless they are rated for it.  
-40 you have to design for
+120 you can deal with.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 4:52 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

+1

Heat may cause wear and tear, but cold can outright break stuff.
(Except I'm closer to 20 years than 40)



On 5/14/2019 6:02 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I have had more problems with low temp than high over the past 40 years.  

  From: Trey Scarborough 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 3:41 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

  with SFPs the temp ratings have a double meaning. The ones rated industrial 
actually have better components in them so they tend to have a better chance of 
survival in any situation. I wouldn't necessarily worry about the low end as 
much as the high end. Its not that hard for a switch in an enclosed boxto get 
very hot if not vented. especially with a few sfp ports in it. 




  On 5/14/2019 8:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What about 10/100/1000 SFPs?  Is it worth ordering the custom ones from 
FS.com to get the temperature specs down to -40 C?

 

We’re deploying some CCR1036 at sites that get really cold in winter and 
using the 4 SFP slots for additional GigE ports might save having to add a 
switch.  Or maybe with self-heating the SFPs won’t actually get below 0 C?  
That seems optimistic when it’s -25 F in the unheated building.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Trey Scarborough
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 2:51 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

 

Ok so the best way I have found is to order the custom ones.

https://www.fs.com/products/37257.html

If these are going in a Mikrotik that is not in an environmentally 
controlled space you will want to choose the -40 to 85c option that you will 
probably have much better results. The normal Mikrotik SFPs I believe are 0 to 
70.

Yes they take some time extra time to be delivered typical time frame is 
3-5 weeks. As well it might cost you %25 more thanks to the import taxes, but 
in my mind $3 on a $11 sfp is worth it.

 

Trey

 

On 5/13/2019 8:12 AM, Joshua Stump wrote:

  We’ve been using these and they’ve been solid:

  https://www.fs.com/products/75325.html

   

  Joshua Stump

  Network Admin

  Fourway.NET

  800-733-0062

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of dave
  Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 8:59 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

   

  What about 1G SM/MM SFP?

  I get so fed up with mikrotik modules that have temp,speed or just plain 
stop working








  On 5/9/19 2:01 PM, Richard Strittmatter wrote:

https://www.fs.com/products/11591.html

 

We use a bunch of these.. Dell Coded, Intel coded, generic.. doesn’t 
seem to matter, they all work fine for us.

 

We’ve also used their bidi, and cwdm ones with no issues.

 

Richard

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 1:36 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

 

Which one?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
Strittmatter
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:01 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

 

Fs.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 11:58 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

 

Hi

 

We are using CCR 1036-8G-2S+, what Single Mode LR Fiber 10G SFP+ 
compatible modules are you using successfully?  

 

Thanks

 

Adam






   





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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

2019-05-14 Thread Adam Moffett 

+1

Heat may cause wear and tear, but cold can outright break stuff.
(Except I'm closer to 20 years than 40)


On 5/14/2019 6:02 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I have had more problems with low temp than high over the past 40 years.
*From:* Trey Scarborough
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 14, 2019 3:41 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

with SFPs the temp ratings have a double meaning. The ones rated 
industrial actually have better components in them so they tend to 
have a better chance of survival in any situation. I wouldn't 
necessarily worry about the low end as much as the high end. Its not 
that hard for a switch in an enclosed boxto get very hot if not 
vented. especially with a few sfp ports in it.


On 5/14/2019 8:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


What about 10/100/1000 SFPs?  Is it worth ordering the custom ones 
from FS.com to get the temperature specs down to -40 C?


We’re deploying some CCR1036 at sites that get really cold in winter 
and using the 4 SFP slots for additional GigE ports might save having 
to add a switch.  Or maybe with self-heating the SFPs won’t actually 
get below 0 C?  That seems optimistic when it’s -25 F in the unheated 
building.


*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Trey Scarborough
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 14, 2019 2:51 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

Ok so the best way I have found is to order the custom ones.

https://www.fs.com/products/37257.html

If these are going in a Mikrotik that is not in an environmentally 
controlled space you will want to choose the -40 to 85c option that 
you will probably have much better results. The normal Mikrotik SFPs 
I believe are 0 to 70.


Yes they take some time extra time to be delivered typical time frame 
is 3-5 weeks. As well it might cost you %25 more thanks to the import 
taxes, but in my mind $3 on a $11 sfp is worth it.


Trey

On 5/13/2019 8:12 AM, Joshua Stump wrote:

We’ve been using these and they’ve been solid:

https://www.fs.com/products/75325.html

Joshua Stump

Network Admin

Fourway.NET 

800-733-0062

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *dave
*Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 8:59 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

What about 1G SM/MM SFP?

I get so fed up with mikrotik modules that have temp,speed or
just plain stop working




On 5/9/19 2:01 PM, Richard Strittmatter wrote:

https://www.fs.com/products/11591.html

We use a bunch of these.. Dell Coded, Intel coded, generic..
doesn’t seem to matter, they all work fine for us.

We’ve also used their bidi, and cwdm ones with no issues.

Richard

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*SmarterBroadband
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 1:36 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

Which one?

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Richard Strittmatter
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:01 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

Fs.com

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*SmarterBroadband
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 11:58 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

Hi

We are using CCR 1036-8G-2S+, what Single Mode LR Fiber 10G
SFP+ compatible modules are you using successfully?

Thanks

Adam






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Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C SFP

2019-05-14 Thread Adam Moffett 

I always thought they were overly complicated.
If it's a new unit, tech support will help you set it up.  You'll 
probably never have to look at it again so IMO just let them take care 
of it.


-Adam


On 5/14/2019 5:42 PM, Trey Scarborough wrote:

Yes you will have to provision a service on them for it to pass traffic.

On 5/14/2019 1:46 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Hi Caleb

Yes, done that.  Admin status is up.  Operational status is Down

What else do I need?  Ethernet Services?  Service Points?

Adam

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 10:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C SFP

Go to the Interface Manager and turn on/off GE ports that you want to 
use.
1 is the copper port, 2 is the first sfp cage, 3 is the sfp cage that 
may or
may not be used for MIMO depending on HW model so probably stick with 
port
2.  It's under the System tab or something on top of the tree, don't 
have

one handy to look.

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:49 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

I am trying to get a fiber SFP working in my IP-20C.  I am licensed for

two GbE ports.   I must be missing something.



Can anyone list the steps to get this working?



Thanks



Adam

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

2019-05-14 Thread chuck 

Automotive rated has more range than industrial.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert via AF

Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 4:32 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Robert
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

The industrial components that are mentioned below, the other version is
usually called consumer...   Guess what Ubiquiti buys?

On 5/14/19 3:19 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
The MikroTik CRS212-1G-10S had a design flaw where the SFPs were pressed 
right against each other, and there was no cooling fan. As a result, in 
warmer temperatures I've seen a full load of SFPs get up to 80+ degrees 
celsius, too hot to handle by hand, and causing packet loss. Other than 
that I don't recall seeing SFP issues caused by overheating.


We had a customer who asked that the installers put their GPON ONU in an 
unheated basement for some reason. Even though Ubiquiti rates their CPEs 
as functioning down to -10 C, the customer saw it losing connectivity on 
the coldest days (-30 outside) when the nearby thermostat was still +5 C. 
They fixed it by putting a heater nearby.



On Tue, May 14, 2019, 5:03 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
wrote:


I have had more problems with low temp than high over the past 40
years.
*From:* Trey Scarborough
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 14, 2019 3:41 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

with SFPs the temp ratings have a double meaning. The ones rated
industrial actually have better components in them so they tend to
have a better chance of survival in any situation. I wouldn't
necessarily worry about the low end as much as the high end. Its not
that hard for a switch in an enclosed boxto get very hot if not
vented. especially with a few sfp ports in it.

On 5/14/2019 8:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


What about 10/100/1000 SFPs?  Is it worth ordering the custom ones
from FS.com to get the temperature specs down to -40 C?



We’re deploying some CCR1036 at sites that get really cold in
winter and using the 4 SFP slots for additional GigE ports might
save having to add a switch.  Or maybe with self-heating the SFPs
won’t actually get below 0 C?  That seems optimistic when it’s -25
F in the unheated building.



*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Trey
Scarborough
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 14, 2019 2:51 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+



Ok so the best way I have found is to order the custom ones.

https://www.fs.com/products/37257.html

If these are going in a Mikrotik that is not in an environmentally
controlled space you will want to choose the -40 to 85c option
that you will probably have much better results. The normal
Mikrotik SFPs I believe are 0 to 70.

Yes they take some time extra time to be delivered typical time
frame is 3-5 weeks. As well it might cost you %25 more thanks to
the import taxes, but in my mind $3 on a $11 sfp is worth it.



Trey



On 5/13/2019 8:12 AM, Joshua Stump wrote:

We’ve been using these and they’ve been solid:

https://www.fs.com/products/75325.html



Joshua Stump

Network Admin

Fourway.NET 

800-733-0062



*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *dave
*Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 8:59 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+



What about 1G SM/MM SFP?

I get so fed up with mikrotik modules that have temp,speed or
just plain stop working








On 5/9/19 2:01 PM, Richard Strittmatter wrote:

https://www.fs.com/products/11591.html



We use a bunch of these.. Dell Coded, Intel coded,
generic.. doesn’t seem to matter, they all work fine for
us.



We’ve also used their bidi, and cwdm ones with no issues.



Richard



*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*SmarterBroadband
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 1:36 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+



Which one?



*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Richard Strittmatter
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:01 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+



Fs.com



*From:* AF

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

2019-05-14 Thread Robert via AF 
The industrial components that are mentioned below, the other version is 
usually called consumer...   Guess what Ubiquiti buys?


On 5/14/19 3:19 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
The MikroTik CRS212-1G-10S had a design flaw where the SFPs were pressed 
right against each other, and there was no cooling fan. As a result, in 
warmer temperatures I've seen a full load of SFPs get up to 80+ degrees 
celsius, too hot to handle by hand, and causing packet loss. Other than 
that I don't recall seeing SFP issues caused by overheating.


We had a customer who asked that the installers put their GPON ONU in an 
unheated basement for some reason. Even though Ubiquiti rates their CPEs 
as functioning down to -10 C, the customer saw it losing connectivity on 
the coldest days (-30 outside) when the nearby thermostat was still +5 
C. They fixed it by putting a heater nearby.



On Tue, May 14, 2019, 5:03 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
wrote:


I have had more problems with low temp than high over the past 40
years.
*From:* Trey Scarborough
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 14, 2019 3:41 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

with SFPs the temp ratings have a double meaning. The ones rated
industrial actually have better components in them so they tend to
have a better chance of survival in any situation. I wouldn't
necessarily worry about the low end as much as the high end. Its not
that hard for a switch in an enclosed boxto get very hot if not
vented. especially with a few sfp ports in it.

On 5/14/2019 8:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


What about 10/100/1000 SFPs?  Is it worth ordering the custom ones
from FS.com to get the temperature specs down to -40 C?



We’re deploying some CCR1036 at sites that get really cold in
winter and using the 4 SFP slots for additional GigE ports might
save having to add a switch.  Or maybe with self-heating the SFPs
won’t actually get below 0 C?  That seems optimistic when it’s -25
F in the unheated building.



*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Trey
Scarborough
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 14, 2019 2:51 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+



Ok so the best way I have found is to order the custom ones.

https://www.fs.com/products/37257.html

If these are going in a Mikrotik that is not in an environmentally
controlled space you will want to choose the -40 to 85c option
that you will probably have much better results. The normal
Mikrotik SFPs I believe are 0 to 70.

Yes they take some time extra time to be delivered typical time
frame is 3-5 weeks. As well it might cost you %25 more thanks to
the import taxes, but in my mind $3 on a $11 sfp is worth it.



Trey



On 5/13/2019 8:12 AM, Joshua Stump wrote:

We’ve been using these and they’ve been solid:

https://www.fs.com/products/75325.html



Joshua Stump

Network Admin

Fourway.NET 

800-733-0062



*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *dave
*Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 8:59 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+



What about 1G SM/MM SFP?

I get so fed up with mikrotik modules that have temp,speed or
just plain stop working








On 5/9/19 2:01 PM, Richard Strittmatter wrote:

https://www.fs.com/products/11591.html



We use a bunch of these.. Dell Coded, Intel coded,
generic.. doesn’t seem to matter, they all work fine for
us.



We’ve also used their bidi, and cwdm ones with no issues.



Richard



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*SmarterBroadband
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 1:36 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+



Which one?



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*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:01 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+



Fs.com



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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

2019-05-14 Thread Colin Stanners 
The MikroTik CRS212-1G-10S had a design flaw where the SFPs were pressed
right against each other, and there was no cooling fan. As a result, in
warmer temperatures I've seen a full load of SFPs get up to 80+ degrees
celsius, too hot to handle by hand, and causing packet loss. Other than
that I don't recall seeing SFP issues caused by overheating.

We had a customer who asked that the installers put their GPON ONU in an
unheated basement for some reason. Even though Ubiquiti rates their CPEs as
functioning down to -10 C, the customer saw it losing connectivity on the
coldest days (-30 outside) when the nearby thermostat was still +5 C. They
fixed it by putting a heater nearby.


On Tue, May 14, 2019, 5:03 PM  I have had more problems with low temp than high over the past 40 years.
>
> *From:* Trey Scarborough
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 14, 2019 3:41 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+
>
>
> with SFPs the temp ratings have a double meaning. The ones rated
> industrial actually have better components in them so they tend to have a
> better chance of survival in any situation. I wouldn't necessarily worry
> about the low end as much as the high end. Its not that hard for a switch
> in an enclosed boxto get very hot if not vented. especially with a few sfp
> ports in it.
>
>
> On 5/14/2019 8:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> What about 10/100/1000 SFPs?  Is it worth ordering the custom ones from
> FS.com to get the temperature specs down to -40 C?
>
>
>
> We’re deploying some CCR1036 at sites that get really cold in winter and
> using the 4 SFP slots for additional GigE ports might save having to add a
> switch.  Or maybe with self-heating the SFPs won’t actually get below 0 C?
> That seems optimistic when it’s -25 F in the unheated building.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Trey Scarborough
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 14, 2019 2:51 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+
>
>
>
> Ok so the best way I have found is to order the custom ones.
>
> https://www.fs.com/products/37257.html
>
> If these are going in a Mikrotik that is not in an environmentally
> controlled space you will want to choose the -40 to 85c option that you
> will probably have much better results. The normal Mikrotik SFPs I believe
> are 0 to 70.
>
> Yes they take some time extra time to be delivered typical time frame is
> 3-5 weeks. As well it might cost you %25 more thanks to the import taxes,
> but in my mind $3 on a $11 sfp is worth it.
>
>
>
> Trey
>
>
>
> On 5/13/2019 8:12 AM, Joshua Stump wrote:
>
> We’ve been using these and they’ve been solid:
>
> https://www.fs.com/products/75325.html
>
>
>
> Joshua Stump
>
> Network Admin
>
> Fourway.NET 
>
> 800-733-0062
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *dave
> *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 8:59 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+
>
>
>
> What about 1G SM/MM SFP?
>
> I get so fed up with mikrotik modules that have temp,speed or just plain
> stop working
>
>
>
>
> On 5/9/19 2:01 PM, Richard Strittmatter wrote:
>
> https://www.fs.com/products/11591.html
>
>
>
> We use a bunch of these.. Dell Coded, Intel coded, generic.. doesn’t seem
> to matter, they all work fine for us.
>
>
>
> We’ve also used their bidi, and cwdm ones with no issues.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
> SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 1:36 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+
>
>
>
> Which one?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard
> Strittmatter
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:01 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+
>
>
>
> Fs.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
> SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 11:58 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+
>
>
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> We are using CCR 1036-8G-2S+, what Single Mode LR Fiber 10G SFP+
> compatible modules are you using successfully?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

2019-05-14 Thread chuck 
I have had more problems with low temp than high over the past 40 years.  

From: Trey Scarborough 
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 3:41 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

with SFPs the temp ratings have a double meaning. The ones rated industrial 
actually have better components in them so they tend to have a better chance of 
survival in any situation. I wouldn't necessarily worry about the low end as 
much as the high end. Its not that hard for a switch in an enclosed boxto get 
very hot if not vented. especially with a few sfp ports in it. 




On 5/14/2019 8:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  What about 10/100/1000 SFPs?  Is it worth ordering the custom ones from 
FS.com to get the temperature specs down to -40 C?

   

  We’re deploying some CCR1036 at sites that get really cold in winter and 
using the 4 SFP slots for additional GigE ports might save having to add a 
switch.  Or maybe with self-heating the SFPs won’t actually get below 0 C?  
That seems optimistic when it’s -25 F in the unheated building.

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Trey Scarborough
  Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 2:51 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

   

  Ok so the best way I have found is to order the custom ones.

  https://www.fs.com/products/37257.html

  If these are going in a Mikrotik that is not in an environmentally controlled 
space you will want to choose the -40 to 85c option that you will probably have 
much better results. The normal Mikrotik SFPs I believe are 0 to 70.

  Yes they take some time extra time to be delivered typical time frame is 3-5 
weeks. As well it might cost you %25 more thanks to the import taxes, but in my 
mind $3 on a $11 sfp is worth it.

   

  Trey

   

  On 5/13/2019 8:12 AM, Joshua Stump wrote:

We’ve been using these and they’ve been solid:

https://www.fs.com/products/75325.html

 

Joshua Stump

Network Admin

Fourway.NET

800-733-0062

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 8:59 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

 

What about 1G SM/MM SFP?

I get so fed up with mikrotik modules that have temp,speed or just plain 
stop working








On 5/9/19 2:01 PM, Richard Strittmatter wrote:

  https://www.fs.com/products/11591.html

   

  We use a bunch of these.. Dell Coded, Intel coded, generic.. doesn’t seem 
to matter, they all work fine for us.

   

  We’ve also used their bidi, and cwdm ones with no issues.

   

  Richard

   

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
  Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 1:36 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

   

  Which one?

   

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
Strittmatter
  Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:01 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

   

  Fs.com

   

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
  Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 11:58 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

   

  Hi

   

  We are using CCR 1036-8G-2S+, what Single Mode LR Fiber 10G SFP+ 
compatible modules are you using successfully?  

   

  Thanks

   

  Adam






 





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Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C SFP

2019-05-14 Thread Trey Scarborough 

Yes you will have to provision a service on them for it to pass traffic.

On 5/14/2019 1:46 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Hi Caleb

Yes, done that.  Admin status is up.  Operational status is Down

What else do I need?  Ethernet Services?  Service Points?

Adam

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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 10:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C SFP

Go to the Interface Manager and turn on/off GE ports that you want to use.
1 is the copper port, 2 is the first sfp cage, 3 is the sfp cage that may or
may not be used for MIMO depending on HW model so probably stick with port
2.  It's under the System tab or something on top of the tree, don't have
one handy to look.

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:49 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

I am trying to get a fiber SFP working in my IP-20C.  I am licensed for

two GbE ports.   I must be missing something.



Can anyone list the steps to get this working?



Thanks



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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

2019-05-14 Thread Trey Scarborough 
with SFPs the temp ratings have a double meaning. The ones rated 
industrial actually have better components in them so they tend to have 
a better chance of survival in any situation. I wouldn't necessarily 
worry about the low end as much as the high end. Its not that hard for a 
switch in an enclosed boxto get very hot if not vented. especially with 
a few sfp ports in it.



On 5/14/2019 8:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


What about 10/100/1000 SFPs?  Is it worth ordering the custom ones 
from FS.com to get the temperature specs down to -40 C?


We’re deploying some CCR1036 at sites that get really cold in winter 
and using the 4 SFP slots for additional GigE ports might save having 
to add a switch.  Or maybe with self-heating the SFPs won’t actually 
get below 0 C?  That seems optimistic when it’s -25 F in the unheated 
building.


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Trey Scarborough
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 14, 2019 2:51 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

Ok so the best way I have found is to order the custom ones.

https://www.fs.com/products/37257.html

If these are going in a Mikrotik that is not in an environmentally 
controlled space you will want to choose the -40 to 85c option that 
you will probably have much better results. The normal Mikrotik SFPs I 
believe are 0 to 70.


Yes they take some time extra time to be delivered typical time frame 
is 3-5 weeks. As well it might cost you %25 more thanks to the import 
taxes, but in my mind $3 on a $11 sfp is worth it.


Trey

On 5/13/2019 8:12 AM, Joshua Stump wrote:

We’ve been using these and they’ve been solid:

https://www.fs.com/products/75325.html

Joshua Stump

Network Admin

Fourway.NET 

800-733-0062

*From:*AF 
 *On Behalf Of *dave
*Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 8:59 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

What about 1G SM/MM SFP?

I get so fed up with mikrotik modules that have temp,speed or just
plain stop working




On 5/9/19 2:01 PM, Richard Strittmatter wrote:

https://www.fs.com/products/11591.html

We use a bunch of these.. Dell Coded, Intel coded, generic..
doesn’t seem to matter, they all work fine for us.

We’ve also used their bidi, and cwdm ones with no issues.

Richard

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*SmarterBroadband
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 1:36 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

Which one?

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Richard Strittmatter
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:01 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

Fs.com

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*SmarterBroadband
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 11:58 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

Hi

We are using CCR 1036-8G-2S+, what Single Mode LR Fiber 10G
SFP+ compatible modules are you using successfully?

Thanks

Adam






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Re: [AFMUG] Stacked switches for small network

2019-05-14 Thread Adam Moffett 

On this topic, has anybody used Open Connect architecture switches?

I have a guy pitching the idea at me.  He claims most switches are 
actually manufactured by the same couple of OEM's in Taiwan.  The idea 
is you buy the bare metal and then license a Linux software to run on 
the hardware.  The actual switching happens in ASIC's so the software is 
just for config and management, and there are several options to pick 
from.  Part of the pitch is single pane of glass management.


-Adam


On 5/14/2019 3:56 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


You could have gotten your Cisco switches for 1/2 off from Huawei.


bp


On 5/14/2019 11:50 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Had I started now I probably would have just purchased the Cisco 
switches available instead of F10, but I don’t think they were 
available back when I started purchasing those.




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Re: [AFMUG] Stacked switches for small network

2019-05-14 Thread Bill Prince 

  
  
You could have gotten your Cisco switches for 1/2 off from
  Huawei.  



bp



On 5/14/2019 11:50 AM, Sterling
  Jacobson wrote:

Had I started now I probably would have
just purchased the Cisco switches available instead of F10, but
I don’t think they were available back when I started purchasing
those.
  


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Re: [AFMUG] Stacked switches for small network

2019-05-14 Thread Sterling Jacobson 
I sold or trashed most of the planet stuff I had. It wasn’t working at all for 
me in 48 port versions.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 12:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Stacked switches for small network

Planet



On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:42 PM Clint Wiley 
mailto:cl...@hagerstownfiber.com>> wrote:
Hi,

What are some recommended stacked switches for a relatively small FTTH network? 
I’d prefer switches with a DC power option. We’re planning to replace Cisco 
routing with Mikrotik and want to replace switches as well.

Thanks,

Clint


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Re: [AFMUG] Stacked switches for small network

2019-05-14 Thread Sterling Jacobson 
I started with some Dell 24 port SFP stacks and DC power supplies.

They are stacked, managed as one entity with 24 ports each 1U and 2 ports SFP+ 
in the back for uplink and more bandwidth if necessary.
They use a 1U DC power unit for up to 4 switches and also power via AC plug for 
redundancy.
They have the stacking modules in the back to connect the switches fully 
together in a ring format so the stack stays alive and talking to each other at 
10Gbps if any one switch dies.
I use the SFP+ in the back on two of the switches for redundant uplink.

I’ve got a lot just sitting around if you want to email me I could get them to 
you for pretty cheap plus shipping.

Cisco has some 48 port SFP+ switches with 40Gbps stack/uplink available on eBay 
for around $400 each I think if you want to stick with Cisco.
Not sure on power consumption, but generally uses more watts for SFP+ switch 
which might be a problem or overkill to get you started.

I use FiberStore 48 port SFP switches with 4 SFP+ ports for uplink/link as my 
upgraded solution to the Dells.
They don’t stack though, so that’s kind of a PITA for management.

I also use Dell/Force10 SFP+ 48 port switches when I need that much 
connectivity, but those are old and take a lot of power and still cost like $1k 
each.

Had I started now I probably would have just purchased the Cisco switches 
available instead of F10, but I don’t think they were available back when I 
started purchasing those.


From: AF  On Behalf Of Clint Wiley
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 12:41 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Stacked switches for small network

Hi,

What are some recommended stacked switches for a relatively small FTTH network? 
I’d prefer switches with a DC power option. We’re planning to replace Cisco 
routing with Mikrotik and want to replace switches as well.

Thanks,

Clint


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Re: [AFMUG] Stacked switches for small network

2019-05-14 Thread Sean Heskett 
Planet



On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:42 PM Clint Wiley 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> What are some recommended stacked switches for a relatively small FTTH
> network? I’d prefer switches with a DC power option. We’re planning to
> replace Cisco routing with Mikrotik and want to replace switches as well.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Clint
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C SFP

2019-05-14 Thread SmarterBroadband 
Hi Caleb

Yes, done that.  Admin status is up.  Operational status is Down

What else do I need?  Ethernet Services?  Service Points?

Adam

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 10:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C SFP

Go to the Interface Manager and turn on/off GE ports that you want to use.
1 is the copper port, 2 is the first sfp cage, 3 is the sfp cage that may or
may not be used for MIMO depending on HW model so probably stick with port
2.  It's under the System tab or something on top of the tree, don't have
one handy to look.

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:49 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> I am trying to get a fiber SFP working in my IP-20C.  I am licensed for
two GbE ports.   I must be missing something.
>
>
>
> Can anyone list the steps to get this working?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
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[AFMUG] Stacked switches for small network

2019-05-14 Thread Clint Wiley 
Hi,

What are some recommended stacked switches for a relatively small FTTH network? 
I’d prefer switches with a DC power option. We’re planning to replace Cisco 
routing with Mikrotik and want to replace switches as well.

Thanks,

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Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

2019-05-14 Thread Mark Radabaugh 
Nope, not at all.Or maybe that’s because I do the same :-)

Mark

> On May 14, 2019, at 2:00 PM, Caleb Knauer  wrote:
> 
> Is it weird that the quickest way I can remember which is longitude and which 
> is latitude is by Jimmy Buffet's song Changes in Latitudes? 
> 
> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 11:20 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
> wrote:
> Once regular routes were established, they followed a Rhumb line. 
>  
> This is a line connecting two points that can be tracked by following a 
> specific magnetic heading.  It is not a straight line but is very simple to 
> navigate assuming you got started right and kept to the proper heading. 
>  
> Latitude has never been a problem.  Longitude has always been the issue. 
> I recommend the book “Longitude” by Sorbel if you really want a good read on 
> the subject.
> https://books.google.com/books?id=lW8DYSPa6fEC=frontcover=longitude+sorbel=en=X=0ahUKEwj4k_7b5pjiAhWOUt8KHffcA-MQ6AEIKjAA
>  
> 
>  
> From: Adam Moffett <>
> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 8:57 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>  
> I wonder if sailing ships would follow the compass during the day and true up 
> with Polaris at night.
> I know the difference was less pronounced then, but it must have still been 
> there and they must have noticed.  Maybe if you're target is to hit the right 
> continent then it ain't really a problem.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> On 5/10/2019 7:11 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <> wrote:
>> Probably...
>>  
>> For scouts, they normally are not that into absolute bearings and headings.  
>> More just NNE type of accuracy. 
>> But yeah, West coast magnetic variations/declination are much more 
>> pronounced than areas where the folks that live on the agonic line like you. 
>>  
>> Main and NW Washington state are 20 degrees off. 
>>  
>> If you learn to fly a plane in the Pacific Northwest back in the day of 
>> compass and sectional, it was an important factor.  As I recall VOR stations 
>> and victor airways are on a magnetic heading vs true. But they don’t adjust 
>> VOR stations for magnetic field drift after they are installed. 
>>  
>> I think the FCC is all about true north.  And of course you can get a pretty 
>> good heading off the North star or Orions belt.  Can’t remember which of the 
>> three stars is due East/West. 
>>  
>> From: Ken Hohhof <>
>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:58 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>>  
>> You’re not making me less confused.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Back when I was teaching cub scouts to use a compass, was I teaching them a 
>> bunch of crap?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <> On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 5:48 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 14 for me.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <>] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com <>
>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 3:18 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> It is only 1 or 2 degrees where you live but it is probably 15 degrees where 
>> Bill lives. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Ken Hohhof
>> 
>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:14 PM
>> 
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Whenever I see the difference between magnetic and true north I get confused 
>> about which one we’re supposedly using and decide 1 or 2 degrees doesn’t 
>> matter on a 90 degree sector.  Plus I get lazy and just align the sectors to 
>> the tower faces or the roads.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF > On Behalf Of Daniel White
>> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 4:37 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I've used the 3Z and Sunsight ones some.  It was a few years ago though.
>> 
>> Really it boils down if you want the screen on the device or to use your 
>> phone or sometheneing else.  I'd probably go with Sunsight personally, but 
>> either are a good investment.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> <~WRD000.jpg>  
>> Daniel White
>> 
>> Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
>> 
>> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>> 
>>     
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> SmarterBroadband wrote on 5/10/19 15:28:
>> 
>> Thinking of getting an Antenna Aligner for Sector and Dish alignment.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Choices seem to be
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Multiwave Smart Aligner
>> 
>> 3Z Telecom RF Vision
>> 
>> Sunsight
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Anyone have experience of any of these?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Adam
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

2019-05-14 Thread Caleb Knauer 
Is it weird that the quickest way I can remember which is longitude and
which is latitude is by Jimmy Buffet's song Changes in Latitudes?

On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 11:20 AM  wrote:

> Once regular routes were established, they followed a Rhumb line.
>
> This is a line connecting two points that can be tracked by following a
> specific magnetic heading.  It is not a straight line but is very simple to
> navigate assuming you got started right and kept to the proper heading.
>
> Latitude has never been a problem.  Longitude has always been the issue.
> I recommend the book “Longitude” by Sorbel if you really want a good read
> on the subject.
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=lW8DYSPa6fEC=frontcover=longitude+sorbel=en=X=0ahUKEwj4k_7b5pjiAhWOUt8KHffcA-MQ6AEIKjAA
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 8:57 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
> I wonder if sailing ships would follow the compass during the day and true
> up with Polaris at night.
> I know the difference was less pronounced then, but it must have still
> been there and they must have noticed.  Maybe if you're target is to hit
> the right continent then it ain't really a problem.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 5/10/2019 7:11 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Probably...
>
> For scouts, they normally are not that into absolute bearings and
> headings.  More just NNE type of accuracy.
> But yeah, West coast magnetic variations/declination are much more
> pronounced than areas where the folks that live on the agonic line like
> you.
>
> Main and NW Washington state are 20 degrees off.
>
> If you learn to fly a plane in the Pacific Northwest back in the day of
> compass and sectional, it was an important factor.  As I recall VOR
> stations and victor airways are on a magnetic heading vs true. But they
> don’t adjust VOR stations for magnetic field drift after they are
> installed.
>
> I think the FCC is all about true north.  And of course you can get a
> pretty good heading off the North star or Orions belt.  Can’t remember
> which of the three stars is due East/West.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 4:58 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
>
> You’re not making me less confused.
>
>
>
> Back when I was teaching cub scouts to use a compass, was I teaching them
> a bunch of crap?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 5:48 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
>
>
> 14 for me.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 3:18 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
>
>
> It is only 1 or 2 degrees where you live but it is probably 15 degrees
> where Bill lives.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 4:14 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
>
>
> Whenever I see the difference between magnetic and true north I get
> confused about which one we’re supposedly using and decide 1 or 2 degrees
> doesn’t matter on a 90 degree sector.  Plus I get lazy and just align the
> sectors to the tower faces or the roads.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Daniel White
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 4:37 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
>
>
> I've used the 3Z and Sunsight ones some.  It was a few years ago though.
>
> Really it boils down if you want the screen on the device or to use your
> phone or sometheneing else.  I'd probably go with Sunsight personally,
> but either are a good investment.
>
>
>
> [image: Image removed by sender.] 
>
> *Daniel White*
>
> Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
>
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>
> [image: Image removed by sender. Facebook icon]
>   [image: Image removed by sender.
> LinkedIn icon]    [image:
> Image removed by sender. Youtbue icon]
> 
>
> SmarterBroadband wrote on 5/10/19 15:28:
>
> Thinking of getting an Antenna Aligner for Sector and Dish alignment.
>
>
>
> Choices seem to be
>
>
>
> Multiwave Smart Aligner
>
> 3Z Telecom RF Vision
>
> Sunsight
>
>
>
> Anyone have experience of any of these?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C SFP

2019-05-14 Thread Caleb Knauer 
Go to the Interface Manager and turn on/off GE ports that you want to
use.  1 is the copper port, 2 is the first sfp cage, 3 is the sfp cage
that may or may not be used for MIMO depending on HW model so probably
stick with port 2.  It's under the System tab or something on top of
the tree, don't have one handy to look.

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:49 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> I am trying to get a fiber SFP working in my IP-20C.  I am licensed for two 
> GbE ports.   I must be missing something.
>
>
>
> Can anyone list the steps to get this working?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Micropop Distance weirdness

2019-05-14 Thread Steve Jones 
reflectivity

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 10:09 AM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Thanks, I was thinking something in the hardware as well. Might be a
> grounding issue at this site.
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2019, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> The distance would have to be calculated based on a signal's time in
>> transit.  I'd guess a clock failed.  I couldn't say why that one unit or
>> location as opposed to any other.
>>
>>
>> On 5/14/2019 10:39 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> I've got a micropop that uses a Nanostation M2 as an AP with about 9
>> clients.  Over the past few years I've replaced it a couple of times due to
>> connectivity issues.  They usually manifest themselves in the AP interface
>> as much higher distances than are actually the case (normal distance .1
>> miles, AP says 5.2 miles).  Is this bad hardware or is this how Ubiquiti is
>> showing interference?  It would be strange if it was interference since
>> swapping the AP fixes it (a reboot also fixes the issue temporarily), but
>> it is also strange that the same bug is continually showing up.  Ideas?
>>
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[AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C SFP

2019-05-14 Thread SmarterBroadband 
I am trying to get a fiber SFP working in my IP-20C.  I am licensed for two
GbE ports.   I must be missing something.

 

Can anyone list the steps to get this working?

 

Thanks

 

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[AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C

2019-05-14 Thread SmarterBroadband 
What is the latest stable firmware people are running on these in 11 and
18GHz?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Micropop Distance weirdness

2019-05-14 Thread Jason McKemie 
Thanks, I was thinking something in the hardware as well. Might be a
grounding issue at this site.

On Tuesday, May 14, 2019, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> The distance would have to be calculated based on a signal's time in
> transit.  I'd guess a clock failed.  I couldn't say why that one unit or
> location as opposed to any other.
>
>
> On 5/14/2019 10:39 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> I've got a micropop that uses a Nanostation M2 as an AP with about 9
> clients.  Over the past few years I've replaced it a couple of times due to
> connectivity issues.  They usually manifest themselves in the AP interface
> as much higher distances than are actually the case (normal distance .1
> miles, AP says 5.2 miles).  Is this bad hardware or is this how Ubiquiti is
> showing interference?  It would be strange if it was interference since
> swapping the AP fixes it (a reboot also fixes the issue temporarily), but
> it is also strange that the same bug is continually showing up.  Ideas?
>
>
>
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[AFMUG] Ubiquiti Micropop Distance weirdness

2019-05-14 Thread Jason McKemie 
I've got a micropop that uses a Nanostation M2 as an AP with about 9
clients.  Over the past few years I've replaced it a couple of times due to
connectivity issues.  They usually manifest themselves in the AP interface
as much higher distances than are actually the case (normal distance .1
miles, AP says 5.2 miles).  Is this bad hardware or is this how Ubiquiti is
showing interference?  It would be strange if it was interference since
swapping the AP fixes it (a reboot also fixes the issue temporarily), but
it is also strange that the same bug is continually showing up.  Ideas?
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

2019-05-14 Thread Nate Burke 

I've been using these.  https://www.fs.com/products/11591.html

In both Edgepoints and CCR routers in outdoor non heated/cooled 
cabinets.  They've worked without issue through -20F winters, and 100F+ 
Summers


On 5/14/2019 8:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


What about 10/100/1000 SFPs?  Is it worth ordering the custom ones 
from FS.com to get the temperature specs down to -40 C?


We’re deploying some CCR1036 at sites that get really cold in winter 
and using the 4 SFP slots for additional GigE ports might save having 
to add a switch.  Or maybe with self-heating the SFPs won’t actually 
get below 0 C?  That seems optimistic when it’s -25 F in the unheated 
building.


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Trey Scarborough
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 14, 2019 2:51 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

Ok so the best way I have found is to order the custom ones.

https://www.fs.com/products/37257.html

If these are going in a Mikrotik that is not in an environmentally 
controlled space you will want to choose the -40 to 85c option that 
you will probably have much better results. The normal Mikrotik SFPs I 
believe are 0 to 70.


Yes they take some time extra time to be delivered typical time frame 
is 3-5 weeks. As well it might cost you %25 more thanks to the import 
taxes, but in my mind $3 on a $11 sfp is worth it.


Trey

On 5/13/2019 8:12 AM, Joshua Stump wrote:

We’ve been using these and they’ve been solid:

https://www.fs.com/products/75325.html

Joshua Stump

Network Admin

Fourway.NET 

800-733-0062

*From:*AF 
 *On Behalf Of *dave
*Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 8:59 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

What about 1G SM/MM SFP?

I get so fed up with mikrotik modules that have temp,speed or just
plain stop working




On 5/9/19 2:01 PM, Richard Strittmatter wrote:

https://www.fs.com/products/11591.html

We use a bunch of these.. Dell Coded, Intel coded, generic..
doesn’t seem to matter, they all work fine for us.

We’ve also used their bidi, and cwdm ones with no issues.

Richard

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*SmarterBroadband
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 1:36 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

Which one?

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Richard Strittmatter
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:01 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

Fs.com

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*SmarterBroadband
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 11:58 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

Hi

We are using CCR 1036-8G-2S+, what Single Mode LR Fiber 10G
SFP+ compatible modules are you using successfully?

Thanks

Adam






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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

2019-05-14 Thread Colin Stanners 
I'm surprised that the MikroTik S-RJ01 Isn't rated below 0 degrees; it
doesn't have any optics which are usually the most temperature-affected
component.

Be careful if getting copper SFPs from FiberStore to use with Mikrotik;
unlike the optical SFPs which always worked for me, it seems the copper
interface isn't completely standardized between manufacturers. The
Gigabit-only 1773 did not work with Mikrotik RB3011 for me, while FS
reported that 34976 generally works with MT. Unfortunately, both are listed
as the same P/N, SFP-GB-GE-T.


On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 8:42 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> What about 10/100/1000 SFPs?  Is it worth ordering the custom ones from
> FS.com to get the temperature specs down to -40 C?
>
>
>
> We’re deploying some CCR1036 at sites that get really cold in winter and
> using the 4 SFP slots for additional GigE ports might save having to add a
> switch.  Or maybe with self-heating the SFPs won’t actually get below 0 C?
> That seems optimistic when it’s -25 F in the unheated building.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Trey Scarborough
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 14, 2019 2:51 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+
>
>
>
> Ok so the best way I have found is to order the custom ones.
>
> https://www.fs.com/products/37257.html
>
> If these are going in a Mikrotik that is not in an environmentally
> controlled space you will want to choose the -40 to 85c option that you
> will probably have much better results. The normal Mikrotik SFPs I believe
> are 0 to 70.
>
> Yes they take some time extra time to be delivered typical time frame is
> 3-5 weeks. As well it might cost you %25 more thanks to the import taxes,
> but in my mind $3 on a $11 sfp is worth it.
>
>
>
> Trey
>
>
>
> On 5/13/2019 8:12 AM, Joshua Stump wrote:
>
> We’ve been using these and they’ve been solid:
>
> https://www.fs.com/products/75325.html
>
>
>
> Joshua Stump
>
> Network Admin
>
> Fourway.NET 
>
> 800-733-0062
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *dave
> *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 8:59 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+
>
>
>
> What about 1G SM/MM SFP?
>
> I get so fed up with mikrotik modules that have temp,speed or just plain
> stop working
>
>
>
>
> On 5/9/19 2:01 PM, Richard Strittmatter wrote:
>
> https://www.fs.com/products/11591.html
>
>
>
> We use a bunch of these.. Dell Coded, Intel coded, generic.. doesn’t seem
> to matter, they all work fine for us.
>
>
>
> We’ve also used their bidi, and cwdm ones with no issues.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 1:36 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+
>
>
>
> Which one?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Richard Strittmatter
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:01 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+
>
>
>
> Fs.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 11:58 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+
>
>
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> We are using CCR 1036-8G-2S+, what Single Mode LR Fiber 10G SFP+
> compatible modules are you using successfully?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

2019-05-14 Thread Joe Novak 
YMMV,
I've got a site sorta like you described with the CCR1036, and the box is
mounted on the north side (no sun, pretty much all year). Using all 4 SFP
ports - have not had any problems in the last 2-3 winters its been like
that. Using 1 fiber SFPs and 3 copper SFPs. Utilizing the S-RJ01, which
apparently according to MT is 0C to 84C? Never had a problem with them.



On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 8:42 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> What about 10/100/1000 SFPs?  Is it worth ordering the custom ones from
> FS.com to get the temperature specs down to -40 C?
>
>
>
> We’re deploying some CCR1036 at sites that get really cold in winter and
> using the 4 SFP slots for additional GigE ports might save having to add a
> switch.  Or maybe with self-heating the SFPs won’t actually get below 0 C?
> That seems optimistic when it’s -25 F in the unheated building.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Trey Scarborough
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 14, 2019 2:51 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+
>
>
>
> Ok so the best way I have found is to order the custom ones.
>
> https://www.fs.com/products/37257.html
>
> If these are going in a Mikrotik that is not in an environmentally
> controlled space you will want to choose the -40 to 85c option that you
> will probably have much better results. The normal Mikrotik SFPs I believe
> are 0 to 70.
>
> Yes they take some time extra time to be delivered typical time frame is
> 3-5 weeks. As well it might cost you %25 more thanks to the import taxes,
> but in my mind $3 on a $11 sfp is worth it.
>
>
>
> Trey
>
>
>
> On 5/13/2019 8:12 AM, Joshua Stump wrote:
>
> We’ve been using these and they’ve been solid:
>
> https://www.fs.com/products/75325.html
>
>
>
> Joshua Stump
>
> Network Admin
>
> Fourway.NET 
>
> 800-733-0062
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *dave
> *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 8:59 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+
>
>
>
> What about 1G SM/MM SFP?
>
> I get so fed up with mikrotik modules that have temp,speed or just plain
> stop working
>
>
>
>
> On 5/9/19 2:01 PM, Richard Strittmatter wrote:
>
> https://www.fs.com/products/11591.html
>
>
>
> We use a bunch of these.. Dell Coded, Intel coded, generic.. doesn’t seem
> to matter, they all work fine for us.
>
>
>
> We’ve also used their bidi, and cwdm ones with no issues.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 1:36 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+
>
>
>
> Which one?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Richard Strittmatter
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:01 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+
>
>
>
> Fs.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 11:58 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+
>
>
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> We are using CCR 1036-8G-2S+, what Single Mode LR Fiber 10G SFP+
> compatible modules are you using successfully?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

2019-05-14 Thread Ken Hohhof 
What about 10/100/1000 SFPs?  Is it worth ordering the custom ones from
FS.com to get the temperature specs down to -40 C?

 

We're deploying some CCR1036 at sites that get really cold in winter and
using the 4 SFP slots for additional GigE ports might save having to add a
switch.  Or maybe with self-heating the SFPs won't actually get below 0 C?
That seems optimistic when it's -25 F in the unheated building.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Trey Scarborough
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 2:51 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

 

Ok so the best way I have found is to order the custom ones.

https://www.fs.com/products/37257.html

If these are going in a Mikrotik that is not in an environmentally
controlled space you will want to choose the -40 to 85c option that you will
probably have much better results. The normal Mikrotik SFPs I believe are 0
to 70.

Yes they take some time extra time to be delivered typical time frame is 3-5
weeks. As well it might cost you %25 more thanks to the import taxes, but in
my mind $3 on a $11 sfp is worth it.

 

Trey

 

On 5/13/2019 8:12 AM, Joshua Stump wrote:

We've been using these and they've been solid:

https://www.fs.com/products/75325.html

 

Joshua Stump

Network Admin

Fourway.NET  

800-733-0062

 

From: AF    On
Behalf Of dave
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2019 8:59 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

 

What about 1G SM/MM SFP?

I get so fed up with mikrotik modules that have temp,speed or just plain
stop working








On 5/9/19 2:01 PM, Richard Strittmatter wrote:

https://www.fs.com/products/11591.html

 

We use a bunch of these.. Dell Coded, Intel coded, generic.. doesn't seem to
matter, they all work fine for us.

 

We've also used their bidi, and cwdm ones with no issues.

 

Richard

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 1:36 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

 

Which one?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Richard Strittmatter
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:01 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

 

Fs.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 11:58 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

 

Hi

 

We are using CCR 1036-8G-2S+, what Single Mode LR Fiber 10G SFP+ compatible
modules are you using successfully?  

 

Thanks

 

Adam






 





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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

2019-05-14 Thread Trey Scarborough 

Ok so the best way I have found is to order the custom ones.

https://www.fs.com/products/37257.html

If these are going in a Mikrotik that is not in an environmentally 
controlled space you will want to choose the -40 to 85c option that you 
will probably have much better results. The normal Mikrotik SFPs I 
believe are 0 to 70.


Yes they take some time extra time to be delivered typical time frame is 
3-5 weeks. As well it might cost you %25 more thanks to the import 
taxes, but in my mind $3 on a $11 sfp is worth it.



Trey


On 5/13/2019 8:12 AM, Joshua Stump wrote:


We’ve been using these and they’ve been solid:

https://www.fs.com/products/75325.html

Joshua Stump

Network Admin

Fourway.NET 

800-733-0062

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *dave
*Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 8:59 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

What about 1G SM/MM SFP?

I get so fed up with mikrotik modules that have temp,speed or just 
plain stop working




On 5/9/19 2:01 PM, Richard Strittmatter wrote:

https://www.fs.com/products/11591.html

We use a bunch of these.. Dell Coded, Intel coded, generic..
doesn’t seem to matter, they all work fine for us.

We’ve also used their bidi, and cwdm ones with no issues.

Richard

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*SmarterBroadband
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 1:36 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

Which one?

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard
Strittmatter
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:01 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

Fs.com

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*SmarterBroadband
*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 11:58 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

Hi

We are using CCR 1036-8G-2S+, what Single Mode LR Fiber 10G SFP+
compatible modules are you using successfully?

Thanks

Adam





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