Re: [AFMUG] Java

[Colin Stanners]

I don't use much Ubnt other than AirFiber and GPON, but I haven't seen any
Java being used since the AF5X non-HD series. Can't think of any radio
manufacturer that has implemented a Java-requiring interface within the
last 3 years.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 9:02 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Is UBNT making any moves away from Java?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] Java

[Steve Jones]

What's ubnt, some sort of rapper?

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 9:02 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Is UBNT making any moves away from Java?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Installer Etiquette

[Ken Hohhof]

Cat hoarder.

A farmer told me to meet him by the cat house.  ???  He had a giant 
Caterpiller generator with its own building.

I wonder how many crazy cat ladies go to cat.com expecting it to be about cats.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Installer Etiquette

Cat sh*t.  Hoarder.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2020, at 7:57 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Cat house is worse than harder house.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2020, at 7:14 PM, Matt Hoppes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> As others said - it’s no big deal. Kid is eating. 
>> 
>> The breasts are not being used in a sexual manner. She isn’t flashing you. 
>> She’s using them to feed her off spring. 
>> 
>> Installing internet I have seen:
>> Naked children
>> Naked adults
>> Sat in urine soaked carpets 
>> Barfed in a hoarder house
>> 
>> Nothing phases me. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Installer Etiquette

[Chuck McCown]

Cat sh*t.  Hoarder.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2020, at 7:57 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Cat house is worse than harder house.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2020, at 7:14 PM, Matt Hoppes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> As others said - it’s no big deal. Kid is eating. 
>> 
>> The breasts are not being used in a sexual manner. She isn’t flashing you. 
>> She’s using them to feed her off spring. 
>> 
>> Installing internet I have seen:
>> Naked children
>> Naked adults
>> Sat in urine soaked carpets 
>> Barfed in a hoarder house
>> 
>> Nothing phases me. 
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[AFMUG] Java

[Chuck McCown]

Is UBNT making any moves away from Java?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Installer Etiquette

[Chuck McCown]

Cat house is worse than harder house.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2020, at 7:14 PM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> As others said - it’s no big deal. Kid is eating. 
> 
> The breasts are not being used in a sexual manner. She isn’t flashing you. 
> She’s using them to feed her off spring. 
> 
> Installing internet I have seen:
> Naked children
> Naked adults
> Sat in urine soaked carpets 
> Barfed in a hoarder house
> 
> Nothing phases me. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Installer Etiquette

[Matt Hoppes]

As others said - it’s no big deal. Kid is eating. 

The breasts are not being used in a sexual manner. She isn’t flashing you. 
She’s using them to feed her off spring. 

Installing internet I have seen:
Naked children
Naked adults
Sat in urine soaked carpets 
Barfed in a hoarder house

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Ken Hohhof]

Men are from Mars, women are from Venus?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 6:37 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

I'm like 1/64th Gypsythey were a first nation back in India somewhere.  I 
feel like I need reparations.

On 8/28/2020 6:57 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

I have some first nations blood in me.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 4:34 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

>People who chose to move to another country in search of opportunity are 
>generally desperate or very motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a 
>hell of a lot more immigrants in this country 

 

This - and keep in mind we're all immigrants.  Unless there's a couple of 
natives around here...

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote:

IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who chose to move to 
another country in search of opportunity are generally desperate or very 
motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more immigrants 
in this country, especially in rural areas, but that, like everything else in 
the world infringes on lent.  

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate numbers 
or anything.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist or 
not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the call 
and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the first 
interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different places for 
the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to see if he 
is OK he hangs up on us.  

 

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually agree 
to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not show up 
or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I am paying 
for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a background 
check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t understand people. 
 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Chuck McCown]

My mom was kidnapped by Gypsies as a kid.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2020, at 5:37 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm like 1/64th Gypsythey were a first nation back in India somewhere.  I 
> feel like I need reparations.
> 
> On 8/28/2020 6:57 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> I have some first nations blood in me. 
>>  
>> From: Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 4:34 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>  
>> >People who chose to move to another country in search of opportunity are 
>> >generally desperate or very motivated to improve their lot.   We could use 
>> >a hell of a lot more immigrants in this country
>>  
>> This - and keep in mind we're all immigrants.  Unless there's a couple of 
>> natives around here...
>>  
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>  
>>  
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Carl Peterson  
>> wrote:
>>> IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who chose to move 
>>> to another country in search of opportunity are generally desperate or very 
>>> motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more 
>>> immigrants in this country, especially in rural areas, but that, like 
>>> everything else in the world infringes on lent. 
>>>  
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman  
>>> wrote:
 It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate 
 numbers or anything.
  
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
  
  
 On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:
> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  
> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics. 
>  
> From: Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>  
> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the 
> call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
> 
> Well..why look for the other job?
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
>  
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the 
>> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two 
>> different places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  
>> No-show.  Called him to see if he is OK he hangs up on us. 
>>  
>> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually 
>> agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he 
>> will not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find 
>> people and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of 
>> interviewing, we do a background check now for driving problems, and 
>> then a no show.  I don’t understand people. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Adam Moffett]

I'm like 1/64th Gypsythey were a first nation back in India 
somewhere.  I feel like I need reparations.


On 8/28/2020 6:57 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I have some first nations blood in me.
*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 4:34 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>People who chose to move to another country in search of opportunity 
are generally desperate or very motivated to improve their lot.   We 
could use a hell of a lot more immigrants in this country
This - and keep in mind we're all immigrants.  Unless there's a couple 
of natives around here...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Carl Peterson 
 wrote:


IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who
chose to move to another country in search of opportunity are
generally desperate or very motivated to improve their lot. We
could use a hell of a lot more immigrants in this country,
especially in rural areas, but that, like everything else in the
world infringes on lent.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman
 wrote:

It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have
accurate numbers or anything.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100%
Hispanic. Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees
when compared to Hispanics.
*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK,
he blocked the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment
assessments.  He passes the first interview. Passes
the second interview (had to go to two different
places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today. 
No-show. Called him to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100
applications, 10 will actually agree to an interview. 
Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not
show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty
good to find people and I am paying for it, but wow. 
Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a
background check now for driving problems, and then a
no show.  I don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Jaime Solorza]

Yah eeth

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 4:58 PM  wrote:

> I have some first nations blood in me.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 4:34 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
> >People who chose to move to another country in search of opportunity are
> generally desperate or very motivated to improve their lot.   We could use
> a hell of a lot more immigrants in this country
>
> This - and keep in mind we're all immigrants.  Unless there's a couple of
> natives around here...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who chose to
>> move to another country in search of opportunity are generally desperate or
>> very motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more
>> immigrants in this country, especially in rural areas, but that, like
>> everything else in the world infringes on lent.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate
>>> numbers or anything.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:
>>>
 I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
 Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.

 *From:* Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked
 the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

 Well..why look for the other job?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes
> the first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two
> different places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.
> Called him to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>
> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will
> actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and
> he will not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to 
> find
> people and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of
> interviewing, we do a background check now for driving problems, and then 
> a
> no show.  I don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Installer Etiquette

[chuck]

Sometimes when you get 15 or 16 there is a powerful urge to latch onto a 
breast...

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 4:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Installer Etiquette

its very abnormal, and was never normal. its not physically harmful but we talk 
about it to every obgyn everytime i knock the old sow u and they all say after 
18 months theres none of the extra benefits. My mom had a friend with a kid in 
2nd grade and feeding was the first think the kid did coming home from school. 
Weird, but isnt physically harmful, probably grew up to be a weird person

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 4:59 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  Agreed.  Women have been breast feeding since breasts were invented.  There 
isn't actually anything about it that should make us uncomfortable.  The 
weirder thing is that we've grown to think there's something weird about it.

  although I admit when I saw a lady breast feeding a 5 yr old I was taken 
aback.  They say it wouldn't have been all that abnormal in the distant past 
and that there are health benefits like sharing antibodies and such.  But 
still, after age 2 I wonder how normal it really is.  



  On 8/28/2020 5:50 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:

If she isn't making a big deal out of it, you shouldn't either. If she was 
concerned about it, she would have probably done something different.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 4:44 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

  Note: I am not a parent.  And this is not about the process, which I 
  understand needs to happen when it needs to happen so timing is not my 
  concern.

  At a house doing an install.  A mother of many (I.E. not the first 
  child) sits down and starts nursing while you are there.  She doesn't 
  seem to care you are there.  There is no 'extra' covering involved.  Are 
  you allowed to talk to her?  Do you stand in front of her and maintain 
  eye contact, or stand behind her at a respectful distance?  What's the 
  proper protocol?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[chuck]

I have some first nations blood in me.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 4:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

>People who chose to move to another country in search of opportunity are 
>generally desperate or very motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a 
>hell of a lot more immigrants in this country 

This - and keep in mind we're all immigrants.  Unless there's a couple of 
natives around here...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

  IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who chose to move 
to another country in search of opportunity are generally desperate or very 
motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more immigrants 
in this country, especially in rural areas, but that, like everything else in 
the world infringes on lent.  

  On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate 
numbers or anything.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:

  I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  
Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

  Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the 
call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

  Well..why look for the other job?


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
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  Suite 1337
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  On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the 
first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different 
places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to 
see if he is OK he hangs up on us.  

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will 
actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he 
will not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people 
and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a 
background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t 
understand people.  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Installer Etiquette

[Jaime Solorza]

Way back when I worked for Southwestern Wireless  while guy was aligning
dish on roof I was connecting radio LAN cable to their router under the
table , I knocked it with my head. It woke up their PC from sleep
mode...the large screen saver was shot of guys wife full frontal wide open
with her hands ...as I come up to check Internet wife walks in, screams and
runs back into kitchen...the husband just smiled and walked away to calm
her downI packed my things and didn't test anythingguy came out and
said Internet was fast and thanked us.  Never got a support call from
them...

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 4:04 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> talk to her like she was washing dishes, knitting a sweater, or snapping
> beans. shes just doing a chore.
> always be careful about mentioning it or looking downward. there are a ton
> of militant breast feeders who do it to start an altercation. I dont care
> either way, kids gotta eat. not covering while feeding is just discourteous
> like chewing with your mouth open, its not a grievous issue
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 4:51 PM Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> If she isn't making a big deal out of it, you shouldn't either. If she
>> was concerned about it, she would have probably done something different.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 4:44 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> Note: I am not a parent.  And this is not about the process, which I
>>> understand needs to happen when it needs to happen so timing is not my
>>> concern.
>>>
>>> At a house doing an install.  A mother of many (I.E. not the first
>>> child) sits down and starts nursing while you are there.  She doesn't
>>> seem to care you are there.  There is no 'extra' covering involved.  Are
>>> you allowed to talk to her?  Do you stand in front of her and maintain
>>> eye contact, or stand behind her at a respectful distance?  What's the
>>> proper protocol?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Installer Etiquette

[Josh Luthman]

Kids gotta what's the big deal?  That baby gives absolutely no fucks that
you're there and really wants food.  Mom wants the kid to shut up and be
fed.

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On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 6:08 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> its very abnormal, and was never normal. its not physically harmful but we
> talk about it to every obgyn everytime i knock the old sow u and they all
> say after 18 months theres none of the extra benefits. My mom had a friend
> with a kid in 2nd grade and feeding was the first think the kid did coming
> home from school. Weird, but isnt physically harmful, probably grew up to
> be a weird person
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 4:59 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Agreed.  Women have been breast feeding since breasts were invented.
>> There isn't actually anything about it that should make us uncomfortable.
>> The weirder thing is that we've grown to think there's something weird
>> about it.
>>
>> although I admit when I saw a lady breast feeding a 5 yr old I was
>> taken aback.  They say it wouldn't have been all that abnormal in the
>> distant past and that there are health benefits like sharing antibodies and
>> such.  But still, after age 2 I wonder how normal it really is.
>>
>>
>> On 8/28/2020 5:50 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>
>> If she isn't making a big deal out of it, you shouldn't either. If she
>> was concerned about it, she would have probably done something different.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 4:44 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> Note: I am not a parent.  And this is not about the process, which I
>>> understand needs to happen when it needs to happen so timing is not my
>>> concern.
>>>
>>> At a house doing an install.  A mother of many (I.E. not the first
>>> child) sits down and starts nursing while you are there.  She doesn't
>>> seem to care you are there.  There is no 'extra' covering involved.  Are
>>> you allowed to talk to her?  Do you stand in front of her and maintain
>>> eye contact, or stand behind her at a respectful distance?  What's the
>>> proper protocol?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Depending on how far you want to go back, we're all immigrants,
  including all the indigenous peoples. 

bp



On 8/28/2020 3:34 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:


  
  >People who chose to move to another country in
search of opportunity are generally desperate or very motivated
to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more
immigrants in this country


This - and keep in mind we're all immigrants.  Unless
  there's a couple of natives around here...

  

  


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On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:21
  PM Carl Peterson 
  wrote:


  
IMHO, there is some self selecting going on
  here.  People who chose to move to another country in
  search of opportunity are generally desperate or very
  motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a
  lot more immigrants in this country, especially in rural
  areas, but that, like everything else in the world
  infringes on lent.  


  On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at
11:05 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:
  
  
It appears to be that way around here,
  too, but I don't have accurate numbers or anything.
  

  


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  On Fri, Aug 28, 2020
at 11:39 AM 
wrote:
  
  

  

  I swear, if they were available, my
company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist or
not, white guys are lousy employees when
compared to Hispanics.  
  

   
  
From: Josh Luthman

Sent: Friday, August 28,
  2020 9:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new
  hires
  

 
  
  
Same here.  He didn't show
  up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked
  the call and texted back "boss gave me
  more money".
  
  Well..why look for the other job?
  

  
 
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

  
   

 

  On Fri,
Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM 
wrote:
  
  

  

  So we get this guy to do the
pre employment assessments.  He
passes the first interview. 
Passes the second interview (had
to go 

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Josh Luthman]

>People who chose to move to another country in search of opportunity are
generally desperate or very motivated to improve their lot.   We could use
a hell of a lot more immigrants in this country

This - and keep in mind we're all immigrants.  Unless there's a couple of
natives around here...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 12:21 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who chose to
> move to another country in search of opportunity are generally desperate or
> very motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more
> immigrants in this country, especially in rural areas, but that, like
> everything else in the world infringes on lent.
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate
>> numbers or anything.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
>>> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>>
>>> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked
>>> the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>>>
>>> Well..why look for the other job?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>>
 So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
 first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
 places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
 to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.

 Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will
 actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and
 he will not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find
 people and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of
 interviewing, we do a background check now for driving problems, and then a
 no show.  I don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] Firestick clocking?

[Steve Jones]

only thing i dont like, but i do like, but i dont like is the sync between
rokus, i have 3 from the old old xs to the onn soundbar. everytime i go to
use the old one its hanging because the new ones add channels to it
whenever we add or replace one
the onn is my first wireless one, i hate wireless streamers with a passion,
bu so far this ones been pretty good

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:41 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> +1.
>
> I discovered this a few months ago. My Roku was getting slower with some
> of the apps; many of which I didn't use. I discovered that (1) You can
> delete the ones you don't use (this speeds it up considerably as it frees
> memory), and (2) You can move the apps around (so I put the few that I use
> at the top).
>
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>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 8:08 AM  wrote:
>
>> You can delete all the unused apps on Roku and I think you can re arrange
>> the apps too.
>> I only use Roku anymore.  Seems to be fine all the time.
>>
>> *From:* Nate Burke
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 8:30 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Firestick clocking?
>>
>> Wow, I have the exact Opposite.  I would take my Firestick over my Roku
>> anyday.  Firestick is way more responsive.  I only use 2 apps on my Roku,
>> day to day they will either be somewhere on the front page, or 2-3 page
>> scrolls away with a bunch of other random apps showing on the home page.
>>
>> On 8/26/2020 9:10 AM, dave wrote:
>>
>> Throw that shit in the garbage and get a Roku or something similar
>> Fire sticks cause so much in home wifi issues..  the remote lands on the
>> same channel as any wifi in the house and
>> utterly destroys and disrupts service to other devices.
>> Its a real piece of work.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/25/20 10:52 PM, Steve Utick wrote:
>>
>> Buffering.  I think there is a little clock on the screen that spins when
>> it's buffering.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 4:18 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> If a customer says their Firestick is clocking, WTF does that mean?  Do
>>> they mean rebuffering?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Installer Etiquette

[Steve Jones]

its very abnormal, and was never normal. its not physically harmful but we
talk about it to every obgyn everytime i knock the old sow u and they all
say after 18 months theres none of the extra benefits. My mom had a friend
with a kid in 2nd grade and feeding was the first think the kid did coming
home from school. Weird, but isnt physically harmful, probably grew up to
be a weird person

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 4:59 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Agreed.  Women have been breast feeding since breasts were invented.
> There isn't actually anything about it that should make us uncomfortable.
> The weirder thing is that we've grown to think there's something weird
> about it.
>
> although I admit when I saw a lady breast feeding a 5 yr old I was
> taken aback.  They say it wouldn't have been all that abnormal in the
> distant past and that there are health benefits like sharing antibodies and
> such.  But still, after age 2 I wonder how normal it really is.
>
>
> On 8/28/2020 5:50 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> If she isn't making a big deal out of it, you shouldn't either. If she was
> concerned about it, she would have probably done something different.
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 4:44 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> Note: I am not a parent.  And this is not about the process, which I
>> understand needs to happen when it needs to happen so timing is not my
>> concern.
>>
>> At a house doing an install.  A mother of many (I.E. not the first
>> child) sits down and starts nursing while you are there.  She doesn't
>> seem to care you are there.  There is no 'extra' covering involved.  Are
>> you allowed to talk to her?  Do you stand in front of her and maintain
>> eye contact, or stand behind her at a respectful distance?  What's the
>> proper protocol?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Installer Etiquette

[Chuck McCown]

If you have kids and the mother nurses, you will quickly become desensitized.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Act normal.  If you normally stare at boobs while talking to a woman stare 
> away.  Seriously some women don’t really think of how it makes you feel, some 
> don’t care, some are militant.  Irrespective put eyes on manual control and 
> stay out of the temporary flight restrictions zone.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2020, at 3:44 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>> 
>> Note: I am not a parent.  And this is not about the process, which I 
>> understand needs to happen when it needs to happen so timing is not my 
>> concern.
>> 
>> At a house doing an install.  A mother of many (I.E. not the first child) 
>> sits down and starts nursing while you are there.  She doesn't seem to care 
>> you are there.  There is no 'extra' covering involved.  Are you allowed to 
>> talk to her?  Do you stand in front of her and maintain eye contact, or 
>> stand behind her at a respectful distance?  What's the proper protocol?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Installer Etiquette

[Steve Jones]

talk to her like she was washing dishes, knitting a sweater, or snapping
beans. shes just doing a chore.
always be careful about mentioning it or looking downward. there are a ton
of militant breast feeders who do it to start an altercation. I dont care
either way, kids gotta eat. not covering while feeding is just discourteous
like chewing with your mouth open, its not a grievous issue


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 4:51 PM Cameron Crum  wrote:

> If she isn't making a big deal out of it, you shouldn't either. If she was
> concerned about it, she would have probably done something different.
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 4:44 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> Note: I am not a parent.  And this is not about the process, which I
>> understand needs to happen when it needs to happen so timing is not my
>> concern.
>>
>> At a house doing an install.  A mother of many (I.E. not the first
>> child) sits down and starts nursing while you are there.  She doesn't
>> seem to care you are there.  There is no 'extra' covering involved.  Are
>> you allowed to talk to her?  Do you stand in front of her and maintain
>> eye contact, or stand behind her at a respectful distance?  What's the
>> proper protocol?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Installer Etiquette

[Adam Moffett]

Agreed.  Women have been breast feeding since breasts were invented.  
There isn't actually anything about it that should make us 
uncomfortable.  The weirder thing is that we've grown to think there's 
something weird about it.


although I admit when I saw a lady breast feeding a 5 yr old I was 
taken aback.  They say it wouldn't have been all that abnormal in the 
distant past and that there are health benefits like sharing antibodies 
and such.  But still, after age 2 I wonder how normal it really is.



On 8/28/2020 5:50 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
If she isn't making a big deal out of it, you shouldn't either. If she 
was concerned about it, she would have probably done something different.


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 4:44 PM Nate Burke > wrote:


Note: I am not a parent.  And this is not about the process, which I
understand needs to happen when it needs to happen so timing is
not my
concern.

At a house doing an install.  A mother of many (I.E. not the first
child) sits down and starts nursing while you are there.  She doesn't
seem to care you are there.  There is no 'extra' covering
involved.  Are
you allowed to talk to her?  Do you stand in front of her and
maintain
eye contact, or stand behind her at a respectful distance? What's the
proper protocol?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Installer Etiquette

[Chuck McCown]

Act normal.  If you normally stare at boobs while talking to a woman stare 
away.  Seriously some women don’t really think of how it makes you feel, some 
don’t care, some are militant.  Irrespective put eyes on manual control and 
stay out of the temporary flight restrictions zone.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2020, at 3:44 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> 
> Note: I am not a parent.  And this is not about the process, which I 
> understand needs to happen when it needs to happen so timing is not my 
> concern.
> 
> At a house doing an install.  A mother of many (I.E. not the first child) 
> sits down and starts nursing while you are there.  She doesn't seem to care 
> you are there.  There is no 'extra' covering involved.  Are you allowed to 
> talk to her?  Do you stand in front of her and maintain eye contact, or stand 
> behind her at a respectful distance?  What's the proper protocol?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Installer Etiquette

[Cameron Crum]

If she isn't making a big deal out of it, you shouldn't either. If she was
concerned about it, she would have probably done something different.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 4:44 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Note: I am not a parent.  And this is not about the process, which I
> understand needs to happen when it needs to happen so timing is not my
> concern.
>
> At a house doing an install.  A mother of many (I.E. not the first
> child) sits down and starts nursing while you are there.  She doesn't
> seem to care you are there.  There is no 'extra' covering involved.  Are
> you allowed to talk to her?  Do you stand in front of her and maintain
> eye contact, or stand behind her at a respectful distance?  What's the
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[AFMUG] OT: Installer Etiquette

[Nate Burke]

Note: I am not a parent.  And this is not about the process, which I 
understand needs to happen when it needs to happen so timing is not my 
concern.


At a house doing an install.  A mother of many (I.E. not the first 
child) sits down and starts nursing while you are there.  She doesn't 
seem to care you are there.  There is no 'extra' covering involved.  Are 
you allowed to talk to her?  Do you stand in front of her and maintain 
eye contact, or stand behind her at a respectful distance?  What's the 
proper protocol?


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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Robert]

shoot boat if bomber is inside...

On 8/28/20 2:18 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

That's just being mean

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 4:14 PM James Howard > wrote:


I can see shooting someone’s boat and stealing their dog but
shooting the dog seems over the top.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 3:48 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Blah, blah, blah … wait, shooting your dog?  Now that’s serious.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com

*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 3:08 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

I view regulatory infractions different than laws.  I am not sure
if someone sneaks in and works if that is actually breaking the
law or violating a regulation.

Either way it is not in the same class as robbing a bank or
importing heroin.

More like jaywalking in my book.  But others believe it is more
like stealing your boat or shooting you dog or something.

*From:*Adam Moffett

*Sent:*Friday, August 28, 2020 1:56 PM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Yeahthere are two separate comments there.

1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their
own damn fault.
2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for
them.

On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work
visas, they aren’t illegal immigrants.

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam
Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I
don't know what "good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6
figures of head of cattle, and millions of dollars annually.
Every single worker was brought up from central america on a
work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in and paid
them $8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above
minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally not show up
sober for that amount of money.

Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about
immigration and specifically "The Wall".

I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant
labor.  He shouted at me that we should let the free market
come up with a solution.  I looked at him quizzically and
said, "Brothe free market HAS a solution, and it's the
illegal immigrants."

On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
 wrote:

I have been doing this for a long time. Both manufacturing
and OSP construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor
candidates are of general lousy quality amongst whites.
All the drama and drug use is with the whites.  Hispanics
work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and have
far less drug issues.

I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that
we had to take back to the office mid shift), that when
confronted with chronic absenteeism, not sharing the load
with coworkers, being confrontational with coworkers etc
attempted to justify all of this with “well we wouldn’t
have these problems if you guys bought new equipment”
!?!  Right before getting fired his supervisor asked:
“That vacuum excavator sprays water and sucks mud, how
would it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys
mumbled something about a lousy company operates lousy
equipment.  And that our OT is crimping his freedom.
Supervisor told him that it was his lucky day.  He was
about to get a ton of freedom.

But this is somewhat of a typical thing. Lazy entitled
white bums.  We have a ton of them around here it seems.

*From:*Cameron Crum

*Sent:*Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my
house one time and he told me he only hires other mexicans
because they are Mexi-CANs not Mexi-CAN'Ts.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be
100% Hispanic. Racist or not, white guys are 

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Steve Jones]

That's just being mean

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 4:14 PM James Howard  wrote:

> I can see shooting someone’s boat and stealing their dog but shooting the
> dog seems over the top.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 3:48 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> Blah, blah, blah … wait, shooting your dog?  Now that’s serious.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 3:08 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> I view regulatory infractions different than laws.  I am not sure if
> someone sneaks in and works if that is actually breaking the law or
> violating a regulation.
>
> Either way it is not in the same class as robbing a bank or importing
> heroin.
>
>
>
> More like jaywalking in my book.  But others believe it is more like
> stealing your boat or shooting you dog or something.
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 1:56 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> Yeahthere are two separate comments there.
>
> 1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own
> damn fault.
> 2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.
>
>
>
> On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they
> aren’t illegal immigrants.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what
> "good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle,
> and millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from
> central america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in
> and paid them $8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above
> minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that
> amount of money.
>
> Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and
> specifically "The Wall".
>
> I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He
> shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.
> I looked at him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a
> solution, and it's the illegal immigrants."
>
>
>
> On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP
> construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of
> general lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is with
> the whites.  Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and
> have far less drug issues.
>
>
>
> I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to take
> back to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic
> absenteeism, not sharing the load with coworkers, being confrontational
> with coworkers etc attempted to justify all of this with “well we wouldn’t
> have these problems if you guys bought new equipment” !?!  Right before
> getting fired his supervisor asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and
> sucks mud, how would it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys
> mumbled something about a lousy company operates lousy equipment.  And that
> our OT is crimping his freedom.  Supervisor told him that it was his lucky
> day.  He was about to get a ton of freedom.
>
>
>
> But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white bums.  We
> have a ton of them around here it seems.
>
>
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one time
> and he told me he only hires other mexicans because they are Mexi-CANs not
> Mexi-CAN'Ts.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM  wrote:
>
> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the
> call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>
> Well..why look for the other job?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>
> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[James Howard]

I can see shooting someone’s boat and stealing their dog but shooting the dog 
seems over the top.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 3:48 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Blah, blah, blah … wait, shooting your dog?  Now that’s serious.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 3:08 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

I view regulatory infractions different than laws.  I am not sure if someone 
sneaks in and works if that is actually breaking the law or violating a 
regulation.
Either way it is not in the same class as robbing a bank or importing heroin.

More like jaywalking in my book.  But others believe it is more like stealing 
your boat or shooting you dog or something.

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:56 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires


Yeahthere are two separate comments there.

1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own damn 
fault.
2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.


On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they aren’t 
illegal immigrants.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires


My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what "good 
size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle, and 
millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from central 
america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in and paid them 
$8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above minimum.  The local 
Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that amount of money.

Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and 
specifically "The Wall".

I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He shouted 
at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.  I looked at 
him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a solution, and it's the 
illegal immigrants."


On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP 
construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of general 
lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is with the whites.  
Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and have far less 
drug issues.

I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to take back 
to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic absenteeism, not 
sharing the load with coworkers, being confrontational with coworkers etc 
attempted to justify all of this with “well we wouldn’t have these problems if 
you guys bought new equipment” !?!  Right before getting fired his 
supervisor asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and sucks mud, how would 
it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys mumbled something about a 
lousy company operates lousy equipment.  And that our OT is crimping his 
freedom.  Supervisor told him that it was his lucky day.  He was about to get a 
ton of freedom.

But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white bums.  We have a 
ton of them around here it seems.

From: Cameron Crum
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one time and he 
told me he only hires other mexicans because they are Mexi-CANs not Mexi-CAN'Ts.


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist or 
not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the call 
and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the first 
interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different places for 
the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to see if he 
is OK he hangs up on us.

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually agree 
to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not show up 
or last out 

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Robert]

On 8/28/20 1:53 PM, Robert wrote:

close to lent, but I definitely two republican parties now
  ^^ SEE ^^
On 8/28/20 9:30 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Well, at my company, the pay is the same across the board.  Actually 
it is lower for the crappy white guys.  I am a republican all in 
favor a a very strong worker visa program.  I have actually 
considered doing that visa thing where I have to go get them, bring 
them up here, house them and take them back after 6 months.
I grew up in Oregon and let me tell you, there would be zero fruit 
industry without migrant workers.  When immigration would show up 
some summers and all the workers would evaporate, orchardists could 
not get anyone to come pick fruit amongst the locals.

*From:* Darin Steffl
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 10:16 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
Now I know why white republicans are so against people immigrating to 
the US, because they're afraid non-Americans will take their jobs and 
work harder for less money.
Maybe white americans should start working harder for the same money 
because honestly, they're lazy. They just want to make a bunch of 
money, have great benefits, but then bullshit at the job all day 
while taking their sweet time.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman 
 wrote:


It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have
accurate numbers or anything.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100%
Hispanic.  Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when
compared to Hispanics.
*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he
blocked the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments. 
He passes the first interview.  Passes the second
interview (had to go to two different places for the
interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called
him to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications,
10 will actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will
show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not show up or last
out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people
and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of
interviewing, we do a background check now for driving
problems, and then a no show.  I don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Robert]

You just described most of the labor in the Middle East oil countries.   
That's how the countries were built in every aspect and how they 
continue to work them.


On 8/28/20 1:39 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
I just wish that we would open up our "regulations/laws" to let people 
have citizenship easier. simpler entry, harsher ejection for fucking 
up, shorter time to citizenship. Wipe out the masive cost of managing 
illegal aliens and focus that cash on helping get legal entries 
onboarded.


But the truth is, most migrant (seasonal migrant)workers dont want 
citizenship. Lawful migrant workers make bank compared to their nation 
of origin, even afer paying taxes here they live very well back home, 
with less nonsense. When I use to work at a motel there was a massive 
project going on at our landfill, it was leeching into the soil 
because the liner was improper. So this copmany had a massive work 
crew of mexicans, even most of the foreman were mexicans, I assume the 
ownership was other. They were trained spelunkers, which a i ssume 
they were given a shovel,a rope and instructions not to die under the 
landfil. they had to dig under the entire landfill and place a liner. 
The smell alone made it 99 percent non american,
These fellas for the most part were awesome guys, had a ton of hand 
gesture conversations with guys where we both were speaking louder 
hoping it would make the other guy understand. The fellas that spoke 
better english flat our said they had no interest in citizenship. They 
would come work this company a few visa rotations and go back home and 
live like kings. Starting pay worked out to about 36k and that was 22 
years ago, they had no expenses while here. They left before light and 
came back after dark, so I dont know what the hourly wage worked out 
to. They didnt seem to care, they all looked at is as an x year time 
investment (contrary to popular belief among alot of my maga 
compatriots, mexicans arent dumb ust because we dont speak their 
language and they smile too much) for a massive long term payout in 
quality of life.
Most mexicans as it turns out arent yearning to be in america, they 
think we are dicks and they love their nation as much as we love ours, 
theyre just not raised with every luxury and safety net we are. One of 
the drawbacks of USMCA is some of the mandatory minimum pay 
requirements in mexican facilities. Raise mexicos quality of life too 
high, theyll become assholes like us and we wont have any labor thats 
worth a shit


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 3:21 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:


Improper entry is a misdemeanor.  Being here is not illegal.  INAL
so don't take my advice and enter improperly.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 3:08 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I view regulatory infractions different than laws.  I am not
sure if someone sneaks in and works if that is actually
breaking the law or violating a regulation.
Either way it is not in the same class as robbing a bank or
importing heroin.
More like jaywalking in my book.  But others believe it is
more like stealing your boat or shooting you dog or something.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 1:56 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Yeahthere are two separate comments there.

1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's
their own damn fault.
2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market
for them.

On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work
visas, they aren’t illegal immigrants.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam
Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I
don't know what "good size" is in other areas, but here it's
6 figures of head of cattle, and millions of dollars
annually.  Every single worker was brought up from central
america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live
in and paid them $8-something per hourwhich at the time
was 50% above minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally
not show up sober for that amount of money.

Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about
immigration and specifically "The Wall".

I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant
labor.  He shouted at me that we should let the free market
come up with a solution.  I looked at him quizzically and
said, "Brothe free market HAS a solution, and it's the
illegal immigrants."

On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I 

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Robert]

close to lent, but I definitely two republican parties now

On 8/28/20 9:30 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Well, at my company, the pay is the same across the board.  Actually 
it is lower for the crappy white guys.  I am a republican all in favor 
a a very strong worker visa program.  I have actually considered doing 
that visa thing where I have to go get them, bring them up here, house 
them and take them back after 6 months.
I grew up in Oregon and let me tell you, there would be zero fruit 
industry without migrant workers.  When immigration would show up some 
summers and all the workers would evaporate, orchardists could not get 
anyone to come pick fruit amongst the locals.

*From:* Darin Steffl
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 10:16 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
Now I know why white republicans are so against people immigrating to 
the US, because they're afraid non-Americans will take their jobs and 
work harder for less money.
Maybe white americans should start working harder for the same money 
because honestly, they're lazy. They just want to make a bunch of 
money, have great benefits, but then bullshit at the job all day while 
taking their sweet time.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman 
 wrote:


It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have
accurate numbers or anything.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100%
Hispanic.  Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when
compared to Hispanics.
*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he
blocked the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments. 
He passes the first interview. Passes the second interview
(had to go to two different places for the interviews). 
Supposed to start today.  No-show. Called him to see if he
is OK he hangs up on us.
Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10
will actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show
up.  We will hire 1 and he will not show up or last out
the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Carl Peterson]

"illegal" on its own doesn't mean anything except perhaps to identify you
as a racist.  It isn't even english.  She's illegal?  He's an illegal?  Not
english.
Alien has a specific legal meaning - i.e a non-citizen resident.  Could be
documented or undocumented.
illegal Alien has historically been used, and the term doesn't personally
bother me, but I'd say its in bad form since racists started calling people
"illegals"

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 3:40 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I just wish that we would open up our "regulations/laws" to let people
> have citizenship easier. simpler entry, harsher ejection for fucking up,
> shorter time to citizenship. Wipe out the masive cost of managing illegal
> aliens and focus that cash on helping get legal entries onboarded.
>
> But the truth is, most migrant (seasonal migrant)workers dont want
> citizenship. Lawful migrant workers make bank compared to their nation of
> origin, even afer paying taxes here they live very well back home, with
> less nonsense. When I use to work at a motel there was a massive project
> going on at our landfill, it was leeching into the soil because the liner
> was improper. So this copmany had a massive work crew of mexicans, even
> most of the foreman were mexicans, I assume the ownership was other. They
> were trained spelunkers, which a i ssume they were given a shovel,a rope
> and instructions not to die under the landfil. they had to dig under the
> entire landfill and place a liner. The smell alone made it 99 percent non
> american,
> These fellas for the most part were awesome guys, had a ton of hand
> gesture conversations with guys where we both were speaking louder hoping
> it would make the other guy understand. The fellas that spoke better
> english flat our said they had no interest in citizenship. They would come
> work this company a few visa rotations and go back home and live like
> kings. Starting pay worked out to about 36k and that was 22 years ago, they
> had no expenses while here. They left before light and came back after
> dark, so I dont know what the hourly wage worked out to. They didnt seem to
> care, they all looked at is as an x year time investment (contrary to
> popular belief among alot of my maga compatriots, mexicans arent dumb ust
> because we dont speak their language and they smile too much) for a massive
> long term payout in quality of life.
> Most mexicans as it turns out arent yearning to be in america, they think
> we are dicks and they love their nation as much as we love ours,
> theyre just not raised with every luxury and safety net we are. One of the
> drawbacks of USMCA is some of the mandatory minimum pay requirements in
> mexican facilities. Raise mexicos quality of life too high, theyll become
> assholes like us and we wont have any labor thats worth a shit
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 3:21 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Improper entry is a misdemeanor.  Being here is not illegal.  INAL so
>> don't take my advice and enter improperly.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 3:08 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> I view regulatory infractions different than laws.  I am not sure if
>>> someone sneaks in and works if that is actually breaking the law or
>>> violating a regulation.
>>> Either way it is not in the same class as robbing a bank or importing
>>> heroin.
>>>
>>> More like jaywalking in my book.  But others believe it is more like
>>> stealing your boat or shooting you dog or something.
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 1:56 PM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeahthere are two separate comments there.
>>>
>>> 1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own
>>> damn fault.
>>> 2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they
>>> aren’t illegal immigrants.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know
>>> what "good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of
>>> cattle, and millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought
>>> up from central america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to
>>> live in and paid them $8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50%
>>> above minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally not show up sober for
>>> that amount of money.
>>>
>>> Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration
>>> and specifically "The Wall".
>>>
>>> I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He
>>> shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.
>>> I looked at him quizzically and said, "Brothe 

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Ken Hohhof]

Blah, blah, blah … wait, shooting your dog?  Now that’s serious.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 3:08 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

I view regulatory infractions different than laws.  I am not sure if someone 
sneaks in and works if that is actually breaking the law or violating a 
regulation.  

Either way it is not in the same class as robbing a bank or importing heroin. 

 

More like jaywalking in my book.  But others believe it is more like stealing 
your boat or shooting you dog or something.  

 

From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:56 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Yeahthere are two separate comments there.

1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own damn 
fault.
2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.

 

On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they aren’t 
illegal immigrants.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what "good 
size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle, and 
millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from central 
america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in and paid them 
$8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above minimum.  The local 
Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that amount of money.

Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and 
specifically "The Wall".

I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He shouted 
at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.  I looked at 
him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a solution, and it's the 
illegal immigrants."

 

On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP 
construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of general 
lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is with the whites.  
Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and have far less 
drug issues.  

 

I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to take back 
to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic absenteeism, not 
sharing the load with coworkers, being confrontational with coworkers etc 
attempted to justify all of this with “well we wouldn’t have these problems if 
you guys bought new equipment” !?!  Right before getting fired his 
supervisor asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and sucks mud, how would 
it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys mumbled something about a 
lousy company operates lousy equipment.  And that our OT is crimping his 
freedom.  Supervisor told him that it was his lucky day.  He was about to get a 
ton of freedom.  

 

But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white bums.  We have a 
ton of them around here it seems.  

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one time and he 
told me he only hires other mexicans because they are Mexi-CANs not 
Mexi-CAN'Ts.  

 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist or 
not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the call 
and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the first 
interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different places for 
the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to see if he 
is OK he hangs up on us.  

 

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually agree 
to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not show up 
or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I am paying 
for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a background 
check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t understand 

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Steve Jones]

I just wish that we would open up our "regulations/laws" to let people have
citizenship easier. simpler entry, harsher ejection for fucking up, shorter
time to citizenship. Wipe out the masive cost of managing illegal aliens
and focus that cash on helping get legal entries onboarded.

But the truth is, most migrant (seasonal migrant)workers dont want
citizenship. Lawful migrant workers make bank compared to their nation of
origin, even afer paying taxes here they live very well back home, with
less nonsense. When I use to work at a motel there was a massive project
going on at our landfill, it was leeching into the soil because the liner
was improper. So this copmany had a massive work crew of mexicans, even
most of the foreman were mexicans, I assume the ownership was other. They
were trained spelunkers, which a i ssume they were given a shovel,a rope
and instructions not to die under the landfil. they had to dig under the
entire landfill and place a liner. The smell alone made it 99 percent non
american,
These fellas for the most part were awesome guys, had a ton of hand gesture
conversations with guys where we both were speaking louder hoping it would
make the other guy understand. The fellas that spoke better english flat
our said they had no interest in citizenship. They would come work this
company a few visa rotations and go back home and live like kings. Starting
pay worked out to about 36k and that was 22 years ago, they had no expenses
while here. They left before light and came back after dark, so I dont know
what the hourly wage worked out to. They didnt seem to care, they all
looked at is as an x year time investment (contrary to popular belief among
alot of my maga compatriots, mexicans arent dumb ust because we dont speak
their language and they smile too much) for a massive long term payout in
quality of life.
Most mexicans as it turns out arent yearning to be in america, they think
we are dicks and they love their nation as much as we love ours,
theyre just not raised with every luxury and safety net we are. One of the
drawbacks of USMCA is some of the mandatory minimum pay requirements in
mexican facilities. Raise mexicos quality of life too high, theyll become
assholes like us and we wont have any labor thats worth a shit

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 3:21 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Improper entry is a misdemeanor.  Being here is not illegal.  INAL so
> don't take my advice and enter improperly.
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 3:08 PM  wrote:
>
>> I view regulatory infractions different than laws.  I am not sure if
>> someone sneaks in and works if that is actually breaking the law or
>> violating a regulation.
>> Either way it is not in the same class as robbing a bank or importing
>> heroin.
>>
>> More like jaywalking in my book.  But others believe it is more like
>> stealing your boat or shooting you dog or something.
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 1:56 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>
>>
>> Yeahthere are two separate comments there.
>>
>> 1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own
>> damn fault.
>> 2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.
>>
>>
>> On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they
>> aren’t illegal immigrants.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>
>>
>>
>> My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what
>> "good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle,
>> and millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from
>> central america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in
>> and paid them $8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above
>> minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that
>> amount of money.
>>
>> Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and
>> specifically "The Wall".
>>
>> I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He
>> shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.
>> I looked at him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a
>> solution, and it's the illegal immigrants."
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP
>> construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of
>> general lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is with
>> the whites.  Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and
>> have far less drug issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to take
>> back to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[chuck]

So is there an actual commonly acceptable definition of “illegal”?

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 2:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Improper entry is a misdemeanor.  Being here is not illegal.  INAL so don't 
take my advice and enter improperly.  

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 3:08 PM  wrote:

  I view regulatory infractions different than laws.  I am not sure if someone 
sneaks in and works if that is actually breaking the law or violating a 
regulation.  
  Either way it is not in the same class as robbing a bank or importing heroin. 

  More like jaywalking in my book.  But others believe it is more like stealing 
your boat or shooting you dog or something.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:56 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

  Yeahthere are two separate comments there.

  1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own damn 
fault.
  2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.



  On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they 
aren’t illegal immigrants.



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires



My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what 
"good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle, and 
millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from central 
america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in and paid them 
$8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above minimum.  The local 
Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that amount of money.

Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and 
specifically "The Wall".

I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He 
shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.  I 
looked at him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a solution, and 
it's the illegal immigrants."



On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP 
construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of general 
lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is with the whites.  
Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and have far less 
drug issues.  



  I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to take 
back to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic absenteeism, 
not sharing the load with coworkers, being confrontational with coworkers etc 
attempted to justify all of this with “well we wouldn’t have these problems if 
you guys bought new equipment” !?!  Right before getting fired his 
supervisor asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and sucks mud, how would 
it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys mumbled something about a 
lousy company operates lousy equipment.  And that our OT is crimping his 
freedom.  Supervisor told him that it was his lucky day.  He was about to get a 
ton of freedom.  



  But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white bums.  We 
have a ton of them around here it seems.  



  From: Cameron Crum 

  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires



  I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one time 
and he told me he only hires other mexicans because they are Mexi-CANs not 
Mexi-CAN'Ts.  





  On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM  wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  
Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  



From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires



Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked 
the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373





On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

  So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes 
the first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different 
places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to 
see if he is OK he hangs up on us.  



  Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will 
actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he 
will not show 

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Adam Moffett]

Maybe we should call them "regulatory infracting immigrants"


On 8/28/2020 4:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I view regulatory infractions different than laws.  I am not sure if 
someone sneaks in and works if that is actually breaking the law or 
violating a regulation.
Either way it is not in the same class as robbing a bank or importing 
heroin.
More like jaywalking in my book.  But others believe it is more like 
stealing your boat or shooting you dog or something.

*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 1:56 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Yeahthere are two separate comments there.

1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own 
damn fault.

2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.

On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, 
they aren’t illegal immigrants.


*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know 
what "good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head 
of cattle, and millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was 
brought up from central america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a 
trailer to live in and paid them $8-something per hourwhich at 
the time was 50% above minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally 
not show up sober for that amount of money.


Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration 
and specifically "The Wall".


I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  
He shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a 
solution.  I looked at him quizzically and said, "Brothe free 
market HAS a solution, and it's the illegal immigrants."


On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and
OSP construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates
are of general lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and
drug use is with the whites.  Hispanics work hard, quick
learners, don’t cause problems and have far less drug issues.

I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had
to take back to the office mid shift), that when confronted with
chronic absenteeism, not sharing the load with coworkers, being
confrontational with coworkers etc attempted to justify all of
this with “well we wouldn’t have these problems if you guys
bought new equipment” !?!  Right before getting fired his
supervisor asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and sucks
mud, how would it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys
mumbled something about a lousy company operates lousy
equipment.  And that our OT is crimping his freedom. Supervisor
told him that it was his lucky day.  He was about to get a ton of
freedom.

But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white
bums. We have a ton of them around here it seems.

*From:*Cameron Crum

*Sent:*Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house
one time and he told me he only hires other mexicans because they
are Mexi-CANs not Mexi-CAN'Ts.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM  wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100%
Hispanic.  Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when
compared to Hispanics.

*From:*Josh Luthman

*Sent:*Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he
blocked the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments. 
He passes the first interview.  Passes the second
interview (had to go to two different places for the
interviews). Supposed to start today.  No-show. Called
him to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications,
10 will actually agree to an interview. Maybe 3 will show
up.  We will hire 1 and he will not show up or last out
the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I
am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of
interviewing, we do a background check now 

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Carl Peterson]

Improper entry is a misdemeanor.  Being here is not illegal.  INAL so don't
take my advice and enter improperly.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 3:08 PM  wrote:

> I view regulatory infractions different than laws.  I am not sure if
> someone sneaks in and works if that is actually breaking the law or
> violating a regulation.
> Either way it is not in the same class as robbing a bank or importing
> heroin.
>
> More like jaywalking in my book.  But others believe it is more like
> stealing your boat or shooting you dog or something.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 1:56 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
> Yeahthere are two separate comments there.
>
> 1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own
> damn fault.
> 2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.
>
>
> On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they
> aren’t illegal immigrants.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what
> "good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle,
> and millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from
> central america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in
> and paid them $8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above
> minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that
> amount of money.
>
> Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and
> specifically "The Wall".
>
> I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He
> shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.
> I looked at him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a
> solution, and it's the illegal immigrants."
>
>
>
> On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP
> construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of
> general lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is with
> the whites.  Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and
> have far less drug issues.
>
>
>
> I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to take
> back to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic
> absenteeism, not sharing the load with coworkers, being confrontational
> with coworkers etc attempted to justify all of this with “well we wouldn’t
> have these problems if you guys bought new equipment” !?!  Right before
> getting fired his supervisor asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and
> sucks mud, how would it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys
> mumbled something about a lousy company operates lousy equipment.  And that
> our OT is crimping his freedom.  Supervisor told him that it was his lucky
> day.  He was about to get a ton of freedom.
>
>
>
> But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white bums.  We
> have a ton of them around here it seems.
>
>
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one time
> and he told me he only hires other mexicans because they are Mexi-CANs not
> Mexi-CAN'Ts.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM  wrote:
>
> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
>
>
> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the
> call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>
> Well..why look for the other job?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>
> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
> to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>
>
>
> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually
> agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will
> not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people
> and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we
> do a background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I
> don’t understand people.
>
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[chuck]

I view regulatory infractions different than laws.  I am not sure if someone 
sneaks in and works if that is actually breaking the law or violating a 
regulation.  
Either way it is not in the same class as robbing a bank or importing heroin. 

More like jaywalking in my book.  But others believe it is more like stealing 
your boat or shooting you dog or something.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:56 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Yeahthere are two separate comments there.

1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own damn 
fault.
2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.



On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they 
aren’t illegal immigrants.

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

   

  My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what 
"good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle, and 
millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from central 
america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in and paid them 
$8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above minimum.  The local 
Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that amount of money.

  Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and 
specifically "The Wall".

  I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He 
shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.  I 
looked at him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a solution, and 
it's the illegal immigrants."

   

  On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP 
construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of general 
lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is with the whites.  
Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and have far less 
drug issues.  

 

I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to take 
back to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic absenteeism, 
not sharing the load with coworkers, being confrontational with coworkers etc 
attempted to justify all of this with “well we wouldn’t have these problems if 
you guys bought new equipment” !?!  Right before getting fired his 
supervisor asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and sucks mud, how would 
it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys mumbled something about a 
lousy company operates lousy equipment.  And that our OT is crimping his 
freedom.  Supervisor told him that it was his lucky day.  He was about to get a 
ton of freedom.  

 

But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white bums.  We 
have a ton of them around here it seems.  

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one time and 
he told me he only hires other mexicans because they are Mexi-CANs not 
Mexi-CAN'Ts.  

 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM  wrote:

  I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  
Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

   

  From: Josh Luthman 

  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

   

  Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the 
call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

  Well..why look for the other job?


   

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

   

  On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the 
first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different 
places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to 
see if he is OK he hangs up on us.  

 

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will 
actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he 
will not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people 
and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a 
background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t 
understand people.  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Adam Moffett]

Yeahthere are two separate comments there.

1) If someone really loses their job to an immigrant, that's their own 
damn fault.

2) The ones who come illegally do it because there's a market for them.


On 8/28/2020 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, 
they aren’t illegal immigrants.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know 
what "good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of 
cattle, and millions of dollars annually. Every single worker was 
brought up from central america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a 
trailer to live in and paid them $8-something per hourwhich at the 
time was 50% above minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally not 
show up sober for that amount of money.


Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration 
and specifically "The Wall".


I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He 
shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a 
solution.  I looked at him quizzically and said, "Brothe free 
market HAS a solution, and it's the illegal immigrants."


On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:

I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and
OSP construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates
are of general lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and
drug use is with the whites.  Hispanics work hard, quick learners,
don’t cause problems and have far less drug issues.

I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had
to take back to the office mid shift), that when confronted with
chronic absenteeism, not sharing the load with coworkers, being
confrontational with coworkers etc attempted to justify all of
this with “well we wouldn’t have these problems if you guys bought
new equipment” !?!  Right before getting fired his supervisor
asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and sucks mud, how
would it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys mumbled
something about a lousy company operates lousy equipment.  And
that our OT is crimping his freedom.  Supervisor told him that it
was his lucky day.  He was about to get a ton of freedom.

But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white
bums.  We have a ton of them around here it seems.

*From:*Cameron Crum

*Sent:*Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one
time and he told me he only hires other mexicans because they are
Mexi-CANs not Mexi-CAN'Ts.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100%
Hispanic.  Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when
compared to Hispanics.

*From:*Josh Luthman

*Sent:*Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he
blocked the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.
He passes the first interview.  Passes the second
interview (had to go to two different places for the
interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show. Called
him to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.

Sad to say, this is the norm. Out of 100 applications, 10
will actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show
up.  We will hire 1 and he will not show up or last out
the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I
am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of
interviewing, we do a background check now for driving
problems, and then a no show.  I don’t understand people.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Ken Hohhof]

All good points, except if they are migrant laborers on work visas, they aren’t 
illegal immigrants.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know what "good 
size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of cattle, and 
millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was brought up from central 
america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a trailer to live in and paid them 
$8-something per hourwhich at the time was 50% above minimum.  The local 
Caucasians would generally not show up sober for that amount of money.

Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration and 
specifically "The Wall".

I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He shouted 
at me that we should let the free market come up with a solution.  I looked at 
him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market HAS a solution, and it's the 
illegal immigrants."

 

On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP 
construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of general 
lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is with the whites.  
Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and have far less 
drug issues.  

 

I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to take back 
to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic absenteeism, not 
sharing the load with coworkers, being confrontational with coworkers etc 
attempted to justify all of this with “well we wouldn’t have these problems if 
you guys bought new equipment” !?!  Right before getting fired his 
supervisor asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and sucks mud, how would 
it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys mumbled something about a 
lousy company operates lousy equipment.  And that our OT is crimping his 
freedom.  Supervisor told him that it was his lucky day.  He was about to get a 
ton of freedom.  

 

But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white bums.  We have a 
ton of them around here it seems.  

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one time and he 
told me he only hires other mexicans because they are Mexi-CANs not 
Mexi-CAN'Ts.  

 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist or 
not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the call 
and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the first 
interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different places for 
the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to see if he 
is OK he hangs up on us.  

 

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually agree 
to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not show up 
or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I am paying 
for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a background 
check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t understand people. 
 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Adam Moffett]

My mother was a bookkeeper for a good size dairy farm.  I don't know 
what "good size" is in other areas, but here it's 6 figures of head of 
cattle, and millions of dollars annually.  Every single worker was 
brought up from central america on a work visa.  The farm gave them a 
trailer to live in and paid them $8-something per hourwhich at the 
time was 50% above minimum.  The local Caucasians would generally not 
show up sober for that amount of money.


Closer to the present I was arguing with my brother about immigration 
and specifically "The Wall".


I cited the economic problems we'd have without the migrant labor.  He 
shouted at me that we should let the free market come up with a 
solution.  I looked at him quizzically and said, "Brothe free market 
HAS a solution, and it's the illegal immigrants."



On 8/28/2020 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP 
construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of 
general lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is 
with the whites.  Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause 
problems and have far less drug issues.
I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to 
take back to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic 
absenteeism, not sharing the load with coworkers, being 
confrontational with coworkers etc attempted to justify all of this 
with “well we wouldn’t have these problems if you guys bought new 
equipment” !?! Right before getting fired his supervisor asked: 
“That vacuum excavator sprays water and sucks mud, how would it be any 
better if it was brand new?”.  The guys mumbled something about a 
lousy company operates lousy equipment. And that our OT is crimping 
his freedom.  Supervisor told him that it was his lucky day.  He was 
about to get a ton of freedom.
But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white bums.  
We have a ton of them around here it seems.

*From:* Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one 
time and he told me he only hires other mexicans because they are 
Mexi-CANs not Mexi-CAN'Ts.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM  wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100%
Hispanic.  Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when
compared to Hispanics.
*From:* Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he
blocked the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He
passes the first interview.  Passes the second interview (had
to go to two different places for the interviews).  Supposed
to start today.  No-show.  Called him to see if he is OK he
hangs up on us.
Sad to say, this is the norm. Out of 100 applications, 10 will
actually agree to an interview. Maybe 3 will show up.  We will
hire 1 and he will not show up or last out the week.  Indeed
works pretty good to find people and I am paying for it, but
wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a background
check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t
understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/28/20 11:23, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Logan’s run.
Soylant green.


Logan's Run was mandatory "carousel" on your 30th birthday.

I thought Soylent Green voluntary go to the happy pictures death room 
when if you feel like it for any reason. Or get smashed by the riot scoops.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Ken Hohhof]

There’s a folk tale about a father who is going to give the feeble old 
grandfather a blanket and send him away.  The grandson say an old man doesn’t 
need such a big blanket, cut it in half and give the other half to me.  The 
father agrees but asks what his son wants with the other half blanket, and he 
replies “I’m going to save it for when I send you away”.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:24 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Logan’s run.

Soylant green.

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 12:21 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

If only there was a virus that would kill off the old people, the minorities, 
and people in states that vote different from me.

 

Remember, “… then they came for me.”

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Brian Webster
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 12:58 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Oh I realize that and think that just ignoring this fact and holding their 
breath is not going to turn out well. But the course of action seems to be to 
ignore it right now and kick the can down the road and don’t deal with it until 
it’s an absolute crisis.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com  

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:38 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

I wonder what percentage of senior politicians are boomers.  There’s a bunch of 
us around and we all plan on continuing to breathe for a very long time.

 

“Politicians are really just holding their breath until all the baby boomers 
die, all the while hoping they will still have the funds to keep paying out the 
benefit checks. “

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[chuck]

Logan’s run.
Soylant green.

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 12:21 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

If only there was a virus that would kill off the old people, the minorities, 
and people in states that vote different from me.

 

Remember, “… then they came for me.”

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 12:58 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Oh I realize that and think that just ignoring this fact and holding their 
breath is not going to turn out well. But the course of action seems to be to 
ignore it right now and kick the can down the road and don’t deal with it until 
it’s an absolute crisis.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:38 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

I wonder what percentage of senior politicians are boomers.  There’s a bunch of 
us around and we all plan on continuing to breathe for a very long time.

   

  “Politicians are really just holding their breath until all the baby boomers 
die, all the while hoping they will still have the funds to keep paying out the 
benefit checks. “




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[Ken Hohhof]

If only there was a virus that would kill off the old people, the minorities, 
and people in states that vote different from me.

 

Remember, “… then they came for me.”

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 12:58 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Oh I realize that and think that just ignoring this fact and holding their 
breath is not going to turn out well. But the course of action seems to be to 
ignore it right now and kick the can down the road and don’t deal with it until 
it’s an absolute crisis.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com  

 

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Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:38 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

I wonder what percentage of senior politicians are boomers.  There’s a bunch of 
us around and we all plan on continuing to breathe for a very long time.

 

“Politicians are really just holding their breath until all the baby boomers 
die, all the while hoping they will still have the funds to keep paying out the 
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[Brian Webster]

Oh I realize that and think that just ignoring this fact and holding their 
breath is not going to turn out well. But the course of action seems to be to 
ignore it right now and kick the can down the road and don’t deal with it until 
it’s an absolute crisis.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

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Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 1:38 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

I wonder what percentage of senior politicians are boomers.  There’s a bunch of 
us around and we all plan on continuing to breathe for a very long time.

 

“Politicians are really just holding their breath until all the baby boomers 
die, all the while hoping they will still have the funds to keep paying out the 
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[Steve Jones]

i think its less race than origin. too many generations out and they become
"american" i think thats more where the problem lies. The POS mexicans i
know are 3rd and 4th generation. I think the closer in generations you get
to those who immigrated the more value the citizenship/lawful presence
holds. my grampa fled nazi germany, I probably take my citizenship for
granted much more than him (I want to learn german, he refused to speak it
once he learned english and wouldnt teach it to my mom and uncles, because
they were american) My kids even more. my grandkids will probably be
leftist and lazy. Its the circle of value. Hard times make strong men,
strong men make good times. good times make weak men, weak men make hard
times.

We are still fairly new as a nation

I dont know why we have so many mexicans here in a small town podunk, maybe
migrant workers that stayed. One of my best friends growing up is third
generation decorated airborne ranger, he has a tamale aunt too. Id love to
have that guy working here. his daughter isnt being raised to be part of
the negative trend circle though. there are exceptions to the generation
rule

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:46 AM  wrote:

> Currently, all of my hispanics are citizens and were born here.
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 10:20 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
> IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who chose to
> move to another country in search of opportunity are generally desperate or
> very motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more
> immigrants in this country, especially in rural areas, but that, like
> everything else in the world infringes on lent.
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate
>> numbers or anything.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
>>> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>>
>>> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked
>>> the call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>>>
>>> Well..why look for the other job?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>>
 So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
 first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
 places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
 to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.

 Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will
 actually agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and
 he will not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find
 people and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of
 interviewing, we do a background check now for driving problems, and then a
 no show.  I don’t understand people.
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[chuck]

I wonder what percentage of senior politicians are boomers.  There’s a bunch of 
us around and we all plan on continuing to breathe for a very long time.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Brian Webster]

I bet if you dug deep in to things like FICA tax, who is paying in, and who is 
paying in but never going to be able to collect benefits from the system, the 
immigration issue might become a little clearer. I suspect both parties are 
liking people who are paying in that they won’t have to give benefits to. Since 
the SS system is playing more of a shell game since they have been repeatedly 
raiding the trust fund, and issuing useless bonds as a promissory note back to 
the trust, they really don’t want to disclose the state of the fund if you were 
to take those bonds off the books as a legitimate asset (these bonds are a 
special series that are only redeemable to with the government, they cannot be 
sold on the open market like regular bonds). 

 

The same politicians that have been grandstanding about the unfairness of the 
immigration/anchor babies and illegals etc., have always had the power to just 
increase the immigration quotas and/or relax the rules if need be. But remember 
that you can’t usually get re-elected if you solve problems. The fight is in 
keeping the problem perpetuated. This applies to BOTH parties, neither one is 
clean on this issue.

 

Once I finally realized they can fix the problem with legislation change, I 
stopped listening to them on the topic and realized how full of crap they all 
are. I also realized how gullible the public is for not realizing the same 
thing. Then I realized our educational curriculum fails us for not teaching 
everyone  enough to all come to that same realization. The last generation or 
two are being taught not by the schools, but the various media and social media 
platforms. Civics and how government, banking and finances work is no longer 
being taught in schools on any real comprehensive level. Just look at the 
student loan debt crisis if you don’t think so.

 

Politicians are really just holding their breath until all the baby boomers 
die, all the while hoping they will still have the funds to keep paying out the 
benefit checks (remember the trust has already been raided, look at how much of 
our deficit is funded by that money, really go look it up for yourself). Once 
they die off, the normal population curves and worker to retiree ratio gets 
back to a more normal ratio. They need immigrants who are not citizens to keep 
paying in to the system right now so they can cover the float on this 
population spike. This spike has more retirees than workers paying in to the 
system. So the trust cannot really afford to pay out to those who paid in when 
they were working (because they borrowed that money and haven’t paid it back). 
The current workers payments in are immediately going back out to pay current 
retirees (and of course disabled folks who weren’t originally factored in to 
this system). You won’t get a single one of them that will actually talk about 
these facts though, from either side of the aisle. It’s the proverbial elephant 
in the room and the only media I have ever seen who will actually dive in to a 
bit if that guy on RT TV who wears the bow tie…….. But hey ignorance is bliss

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 12:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Now I know why white republicans are so against people immigrating to the US, 
because they're afraid non-Americans will take their jobs and work harder for 
less money.

 

Maybe white americans should start working harder for the same money because 
honestly, they're lazy. They just want to make a bunch of money, have great 
benefits, but then bullshit at the job all day while taking their sweet time.

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate numbers 
or anything.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist or 
not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the call 
and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the first 
interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different places for 
the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to see if he 
is OK he hangs up on us.  

 

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will 

Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Ken Hohhof]

Yeah, I think that’s a common misconception, that most of the Hispanics you see 
are illegal immigrants, or even immigrants.  No doubt some are, but most aren’t.

 

It’s probably like the stereotype of Indian convenience store owners.  The 
reason is they are willing to put up the money and hard work to acquire a 
franchise, and it probably helps to have relatives to help staff the place.  If 
white guys were willing to do the same, they could have a 7-Eleven or Subway 
franchise.

 

Or I look at all the Hispanic lawn and landscaping services by me.  It’s not 
just cheap labor.  These guys are good businessmen and are willing to buy the 
top commercial equipment so they are very efficient.  Often neighbors will also 
sign up with them, so they show up and do a bunch of adjacent properties.  I 
have no reason to believe any of them are undocumented.

 

If all the Hispanic workers went away, a lot of the farms around here – 
especially the ones with animals – couldn’t operate.  Yes the turkey farm can 
hire a bunch of high school kids before Thanksgiving to pluck turkeys, but 
getting them to work on a pig farm will be difficult unless it’s a family 
operation.

 

Another area is roofing.  90% of the roofing crews I see are all Hispanic, even 
if the owners aren’t.  You start at 7am and work hard until sundown and then do 
it again the next day, often 6 days a week.  Tree services are also heavily 
Hispanic, although some of the really expert arborists that you see taking down 
really big trees where you’re up in the bucket of a giant lift with a 4 ft 
chainsaw and have to know how to rope down big chunks of tree without them 
falling on the customer’s house, those still tend to be white guys, but not all.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 11:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Currently, all of my hispanics are citizens and were born here.  

 

From: Carl Peterson 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 10:20 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who chose to move to 
another country in search of opportunity are generally desperate or very 
motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more immigrants 
in this country, especially in rural areas, but that, like everything else in 
the world infringes on lent.  

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate numbers 
or anything.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist or 
not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

 

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the call 
and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the first 
interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different places for 
the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to see if he 
is OK he hangs up on us.  

 

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually agree 
to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not show up 
or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I am paying 
for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a background 
check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t understand people. 
 

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[chuck]

Currently, all of my hispanics are citizens and were born here.  

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 10:20 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who chose to move to 
another country in search of opportunity are generally desperate or very 
motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more immigrants 
in this country, especially in rural areas, but that, like everything else in 
the world infringes on lent.  

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate numbers 
or anything.


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist 
or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the 
call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

  So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the 
first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different 
places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to 
see if he is OK he hangs up on us.  

  Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually 
agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not 
show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I am 
paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a 
background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t 
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[chuck]

Well, at my company, the pay is the same across the board.  Actually it is 
lower for the crappy white guys.  I am a republican all in favor a a very 
strong worker visa program.  I have actually considered doing that visa thing 
where I have to go get them, bring them up here, house them and take them back 
after 6 months.  

I grew up in Oregon and let me tell you, there would be zero fruit industry 
without migrant workers.  When immigration would show up some summers and all 
the workers would evaporate, orchardists could not get anyone to come pick 
fruit amongst the locals.  

From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 10:16 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Now I know why white republicans are so against people immigrating to the US, 
because they're afraid non-Americans will take their jobs and work harder for 
less money. 

Maybe white americans should start working harder for the same money because 
honestly, they're lazy. They just want to make a bunch of money, have great 
benefits, but then bullshit at the job all day while taking their sweet time.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate numbers 
or anything.


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist 
or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the 
call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

  So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the 
first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different 
places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to 
see if he is OK he hangs up on us.  

  Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually 
agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not 
show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I am 
paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a 
background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t 
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[chuck]

I have been doing this for a long time.  Both manufacturing and OSP 
construction.  The entry level and unskilled labor candidates are of general 
lousy quality amongst whites.  All the drama and drug use is with the whites.  
Hispanics work hard, quick learners, don’t cause problems and have far less 
drug issues.  

I had a white guy get fired a few days ago, (the one that we had to take back 
to the office mid shift), that when confronted with chronic absenteeism, not 
sharing the load with coworkers, being confrontational with coworkers etc 
attempted to justify all of this with “well we wouldn’t have these problems if 
you guys bought new equipment” !?!  Right before getting fired his 
supervisor asked: “That vacuum excavator sprays water and sucks mud, how would 
it be any better if it was brand new?”.  The guys mumbled something about a 
lousy company operates lousy equipment.  And that our OT is crimping his 
freedom.  Supervisor told him that it was his lucky day.  He was about to get a 
ton of freedom.  

But this is somewhat of a typical thing.  Lazy entitled white bums.  We have a 
ton of them around here it seems.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 10:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one time and he 
told me he only hires other mexicans because they are Mexi-CANs not 
Mexi-CAN'Ts.  


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM  wrote:

  I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist 
or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

  Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the 
call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

  Well..why look for the other job?


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the 
first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different 
places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to 
see if he is OK he hangs up on us.  

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually 
agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not 
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paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a 
background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Carl Peterson]

IMHO, there is some self selecting going on here.  People who chose to move
to another country in search of opportunity are generally desperate or very
motivated to improve their lot.   We could use a hell of a lot more
immigrants in this country, especially in rural areas, but that, like
everything else in the world infringes on lent.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate
> numbers or anything.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
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>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:
>
>> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
>> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>
>> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the
>> call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>>
>> Well..why look for the other job?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
>>> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
>>> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
>>> to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>>>
>>> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually
>>> agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will
>>> not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people
>>> and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we
>>> do a background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I
>>> don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Steve Jones]

Id give anything for a mexican tech. I dont know if down there work is just
kind of part of the day instead of an inconvenience or what. Green card or
first, maybe second generation only.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate
> numbers or anything.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:
>
>> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
>> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>
>> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the
>> call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>>
>> Well..why look for the other job?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
>>> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
>>> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
>>> to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>>>
>>> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually
>>> agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will
>>> not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people
>>> and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we
>>> do a background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I
>>> don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Darin Steffl]

Now I know why white republicans are so against people immigrating to the
US, because they're afraid non-Americans will take their jobs and work
harder for less money.

Maybe white americans should start working harder for the same money
because honestly, they're lazy. They just want to make a bunch of money,
have great benefits, but then bullshit at the job all day while taking
their sweet time.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate
> numbers or anything.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:
>
>> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
>> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>>
>> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the
>> call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>>
>> Well..why look for the other job?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
>>> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
>>> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
>>> to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>>>
>>> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually
>>> agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will
>>> not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people
>>> and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we
>>> do a background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I
>>> don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Josh Luthman]

It appears to be that way around here, too, but I don't have accurate
numbers or anything.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:39 AM  wrote:

> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the
> call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>
> Well..why look for the other job?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>
>> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
>> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
>> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
>> to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>>
>> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually
>> agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will
>> not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people
>> and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we
>> do a background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I
>> don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Cameron Crum]

I had a self-identified mexican contractor working on my house one time and
he told me he only hires other mexicans because they are Mexi-CANs not
Mexi-CAN'Ts.


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:39 AM  wrote:

> I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.
> Racist or not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires
>
> Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the
> call and texted back "boss gave me more money".
>
> Well..why look for the other job?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:
>
>> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
>> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
>> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
>> to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>>
>> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually
>> agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will
>> not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people
>> and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we
>> do a background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I
>> don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[chuck]

I swear, if they were available, my company would be 100% Hispanic.  Racist or 
not, white guys are lousy employees when compared to Hispanics.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 9:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the call 
and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

  So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the first 
interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different places for 
the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to see if he 
is OK he hangs up on us.  

  Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually 
agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not 
show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I am 
paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a 
background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I don’t 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new hires

[Josh Luthman]

Same here.  He didn't show up, called to see if he was OK, he blocked the
call and texted back "boss gave me more money".

Well..why look for the other job?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:22 AM  wrote:

> So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the
> first interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different
> places for the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him
> to see if he is OK he hangs up on us.
>
> Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually
> agree to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will
> not show up or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people
> and I am paying for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we
> do a background check now for driving problems, and then a no show.  I
> don’t understand people.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: some good news!

[justsumname]

Just pointing out that this blockchain project, and its token, are really
making some moves.
One reason I posted here about this months agoI suspected many of you
guys would find the product very compelling.
The software has matured quite a bit since then, they still call it 'beta',
but it's working and the internet-developer-crowd is discovering the
project and are frankly getting pretty excited about it.

Price-wise, the Sia token 'sc' is breaking away from price-dependence upon
BTC, and, volume-wise, there are a lot of new buyers.

To utilize their "Internet 2.0 / Skynet", you have to deal in their token.
 SEC has already audited the Sia project and they left the 'SC" token
untouched.   It's not a 'coin' that's trying to compete with government
currency.

The Sia project has not spent much money, if any, on marketing.   They are
preferring to let their thing grow 'organically' so to speak.   Which
means, there isn't a nice polished User Guide just yet...just for one
example.   But "devs" and development-savvy content creators are already
using their product and are developing their own apps for the Sia Internet
ecosystem (that's what I call it anyway).There is a website of course,
but most of what I know about this project I glean from their Discord
channel.

Even if you don't buy anything, you might want to put this on your radar
screen.   This could be a really big thing someday... something like
building the WWW upon the original Internet... but probably bigger.

Back in 2010, I read you guys' with your bitcoin mining and all that, and I
did nothing.   Clearly, that was a bad move for me.   And I didn't buy
Cisco or Dell in 1996 either

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> Wow.. cool.  While I like the whole blockchain concept,  its decentralized
> and an uncontrolled medium there still is one overwhelming problem.  The
> key.  Not to mention as much as we think it won't be cracked,  it will be.
> Eventually technology will catch up with processing fast enough to crack
> it.  Quantum computers,  heck even  dna based computers can start to make
> their appearance in society making the currency unsafe to use.  Bitcoin is
> only as strong as the mysterious person who has the original key ( *Satoshi
> Nakamoto* ) (Who the NSA has admitted they've identified via online
> signature or may even have been NSA!).  Whoever has that key can decrypt
> anything.
>
> Therefore while having blockchain part of a cloud storage is really cool.
> It ultimately will not be as secure as you think.  Its more secure than
> what is out there already! But I'm still hoping they develop some new form
> of blockchain that is a bit more evolved.
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> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:12:37 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: some good news!
>
>
> If you are skeptical of 'cryptocurrencies' ( like I am ) but find
> blockchain technology very compelling ( like I do ), then you might find
> this interesting.
> No I don't work for the company.Yes I own some of their 'coin'.
> (which is more like a utility token and not much like a currency)
>
> Siacoin is not a cryptocurrency in the pop-culture-get-rich-quick sense,
> but all blockchains have a token.   If you want to buy storage space on
> their cloud storage system, you need siacoins, the Sia token.
>
>
> https://www.startpage.com/do/dsearch?query=twitter+siacoin=web=opensearch=english
>
> Many questions have been asked and answered.   Over and over.
>
> This is a functioning 'crypto' -coin with a real use case and will never
> be squashed by any govt because it does not compete with any govt.
> Very impressed with this gang of developers.
>
> We can go back to COVID-19 is gonna kill us all.
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[AFMUG] OT new hires

[chuck]

So we get this guy to do the pre employment assessments.  He passes the first 
interview.  Passes the second interview (had to go to two different places for 
the interviews).  Supposed to start today.  No-show.  Called him to see if he 
is OK he hangs up on us.  

Sad to say, this is the norm.  Out of 100 applications, 10 will actually agree 
to an interview.  Maybe 3 will show up.  We will hire 1 and he will not show up 
or last out the week.  Indeed works pretty good to find people and I am paying 
for it, but wow.  Go to all the effort of interviewing, we do a background 
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Re: [AFMUG] Durable Tower Compass

[Jaime Solorza]

Cool thanks

On Mon, Aug 24, 2020, 8:00 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> yes. Stores the reports, sends the reports.. well the APP stores and
> sends, the smartAligner and range rinder are the tools, the app is the
> documentation. Its slick and accurate to two CM or something like that. I
> like the reports, theyre very clean, you can add photos at the time through
> the app. The only issue ive come across is its a little weighty and a
> crummy mount or a soft radome will allow sag you have to compensate for.
> but the get the accuracy you need the distance between the gps pucks
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 5:39 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Does smart aligner store readings for documentation and verification?
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2020, 4:22 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We got a smartaligner and havent looked back
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2020, 5:02 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>

 I've always carried a Suunto compass/inclinometer, but when you're too
 close to the tower (like when you're on it), the metal on the tower throws
 it off. There are a bunch of alternative methods for getting a good azimuth
 though.


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 On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 2:55 PM Matt 
 wrote:

> Does anyone have a recommendation for a compass for tower work?  Need
> to insure sectors are somewhat accurate.  Compass on phone hard to see
> in bright light etc.
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Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

[Chris Fabien]

Mark, I would go for option B as well, as long as you can thoroughly verify
that you're achieving a completely diverse path. That way as you grow,
assuming you keep the links the same size over the years you're at 2/3
capacity in an outage not 1/2 capacity.  The verify it's actually redundant
can be tricky as providers will try to hide situations when they are in a
common path or common cable sheath with other carriers. Around us, almost
all of the carriers that are not ILEC and not MSO end up mostly using the
same 1990s CLEC fiber network.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 2:33 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> We  are  starting  to  get close enough on upstream bandwidth, where I
> need to start thinking about getting some more.
>
> Currently  we have two 10G ports going to  two different data centers.
> With  the  internet  connections, IX links and current hardware, I can
> pull  about 8GB max from each port.  Currently in peak times we pull a
> total  of  about  4-5 gbps on one line and about 3-4 gbps on the other.
>  It  is manageable now, until an upstream goes down during peak times.
>  That has only happened once and it was a bit dicey.
>
>  The question is which would be "better"?
>
>  A.  Upgrade the two pipes to 20/40/100G whatever is the standard now.
>  Buy new hardware to handle the new speeds needed.
>
>  B.   Build   out   a  9  mile fiber run to a possible POP where I can
>  possibly grab some dark fiber or at least another 10G and run to a
> possible 3rd data center.
>
>  I  personally  like B, being I can push upgrading the other two links
>  down  the road.  This is a rural area, but a state road, so the fiber
>  install  won't  be  cheap.   However,  I  can  possibly pick up 10-15
>  customers along the way with the possibility of getting more as things
>  build out.
>
>  Currently  the  two upstreams  balance themselves out.  I don't
>  have  any  fancy  code doing load balancing.  If I add a third to the
>  mix, I'm not sure how well they will balance out.
>
>  Just trying to figure out pros and cons of each.
>
>
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> Thanks,
>  Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
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