Re: [AFMUG] Grounding again

[dave via AF]

Yeah that makes sense because to give it an umbrella or cone of 
protection for everything in its direct radi.
Probably about 20 to 30 foot from center for good protection. The signal 
and electrical all go back to single point Main earth

Very cool stuff
 The most important, is hope that the soil has the chemical make up for 
the conductivity needed.


 If the earth is bad then other ground methods must be used IE chemical 
grounds or grids



On 9/27/19 10:31 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Just got home from work in Kermit Texas and Hobbs New Mexico 
area...this is what they are doing at water pump sites surrounded by 
oil pump sites.  The lightning attractor is connected directly to 
ground rod with insulated copper line. They get some very serious 
strikes...nothing else is connected to the lightning system. Equipment 
and radios are grounded elsewhere.


On Thu, Sep 26, 2019, 7:45 AM Gino A. Villarini > wrote:


So we have had lots of issues with blow radios recently during
storms.

I do know that we are possibly causing them because we are using
McCowns SS with Netonix switches.

So our long term plant is to fuse them, but in the meantime,
should we connect the radios directly to the Netonix switches?

Should we ground the shielded cable shield or would the grounding
of the radio would suffice?

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Re: [AFMUG] Tower Grounding

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Yes, +1
I have proof a tower where the sections have little or no conductivity.
We did exothermic at the base but did crimp at the top and we used the 
harger clamps every 3' down the tower and no longer have any issues with 
the site. BTW it was 440' in height


This has been installed since 2017.



On 9/29/19 2:00 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Definitely. A 2/0 or larger exothermically welded to a top mounted 
ground rod to the ground system at bottom improves conducting strikes 
to earth greatly. Counting on tower sections to conduct the strike to 
ground is unreliable at best.


On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 12:32 PM Matt > wrote:


I have seen some towers that have a copper ground wire run all the way
to top of tower.  Is there any real benefit in this for lightning
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Re: [AFMUG] switch recommendation

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+1 I have a couple in my network and a Campus that uses them for 
standard deployments



On 9/27/19 12:23 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:


I’ve been using the UBNT POE switches (48 port SFP+ uplink) for a few 
years now in my small office and they work great.


Even better use the unify version and get a cloud key etc so you have 
the nice interface, and even better get the unify routers to do deep 
packet inspection in their nice interface.


You can still get to the ‘ugly’ full on interface with a click from 
the ‘nice’ interface which I like.


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Maybe I will move my switch to the cloud...

*From:*Adair Winter

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*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] switch recommendation

We've moved our house network to ubnt edgeswitch. or if you like cloud 
things.. ubnt unifi


On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 10:00 AM > wrote:


I have a flaky ethernet switch at my shop.

Actually I have two of them and not which one is causing problems.

I need about 72 ports, some POE, some not.

Recommendations? My POE switch is Nortel...

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Re: [AFMUG] Grounding again

[dave via AF]

No, I mainly use Mikrotik with Packet flux in front of switch. I still 
dont take chances anymore with anything on a tower :)



On 9/26/19 5:20 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:


Are you using Netonix switches?

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*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Grounding again

Gino,
 R56 usually states for data lines that the shield be grounded aprox 
3' from radio entry port or surge protection on tower and duplicate 
for the down stairs.
The idea is to pull off as much un-wanted energy from the cable to 
ground. Also,consider using Surge protection devices such as Chuck's 
gear to help with any line surges.


We do this as a standard on all new and any updates we do on our sites.
We have recently started using Cat6 for our latest project using only 
superior Essex as it has the added rigid copper jacket with outer and 
inner pvc jacket which makes it very rigid for vertical install and 
cambium makes some awesome ground kits for it.



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So we have had lots of issues with blow radios recently during
storms.

I do know that we are possibly causing them because we are using
McCowns SS with Netonix switches.

So our long term plant is to fuse them, but in the meantime,
should we connect the radios directly to the Netonix switches?

Should we ground the shielded cable shield or would the grounding
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Re: [AFMUG] CnPulse sad

[dave via AF]

Love that show lol
Walking Dead on in 9 days
Fear the walking Dead rapping up



On 9/25/19 3:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Is it like “The Good Place”?

(season 4 premiere tomorrow)

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*Sent:* Wednesday, September 25, 2019 3:45 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CnPulse sad

Yeah but it is our hell.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 25, 2019, at 2:39 PM, Robert > wrote:


You are saying AFMUG is a form of hell?

On 9/25/19 12:43 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:

Yes, with universities having “cry closets” for our snowflake
generation to use during finals, what would one expect.

BTW, AFMUG is not a “safe space”, we do our best to “trigger”
snowflakes and it could be best said that we are a “brave space”.

*From:*Nate Burke

*Sent:*Wednesday, September 25, 2019 1:37 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] CnPulse sad

I'm sure they stopped doing that because all the sensitive
engineers who are just out of college now can't handle being
told that their ideas are bad.

I think the last time they had an event which was similar was
when the original god-awful EPMP 1000 dishes had just come
out.  The meeting was in January, we had one with and tried to
get the engineers to come out and assemble it on the tailgate
in the parking lot with us.  They refused.

On 9/25/2019 2:34 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
wrote:

Way back in the day, Motorola would send some of us
prototypes to test and give feedback on before they
finalized the designs.

They used to also have groups of users voice opinions
about the roadmap.

*From:*Eric Muehleisen

*Sent:*Wednesday, September 25, 2019 1:28 PM

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*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] CnPulse sad

I had the same head scratching moment with the uGPS before
it was called the cnPulse. The design is awkward to say
the least. It didn't have any idiot lights which was
difficult for the tower crew to troubleshoot. We quickly
removed it and went to a RackIjector. Best decision ever.

On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 2:11 PM Ken Hohhof
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

We’ve always used PacketFlux sync products with
Cambium radios, I have a somewhat unusual install
involving a 450i and an omni and wanted AUX port sync
and decided to try a CnPulse instead of ordering a
Syncbox Jr. AUX port version.

Am I wrong, or did the Cambium team responsible for
this product royally mess up?

1)  Big multilanguage instruction sheet, nowhere shows
how to assemble or install the product.

2)  Instruction sheet has generic photo of Cambium
radios installed at a tower but does not show a CnPulse.

3)  Bracket is stupid and for some reason they decided
the cable glands should come out horizontally not at
the bottom.

4)  Screws for attaching bracket (or flipping it
around to mount on the opposite side of the pipe)
require a T15 bit, because every tower climber
carriers Torx bits.

5)  Label for which port is which is on the back where
the bracket attaches.  Yes there are also labels
molded into the plastic housing, but the grey on grey
is almost invisible.

The bracket is so stupid it’s tempting to just
electrical tape the unit to the pipe.  Except if we
pointed the cable glands down, would it still see the
satellites?

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CnPulse sad

[dave via AF]

I knew he would be watching this list LOL

BTW.. I  have had no issues installing ugps or cnpulse which work 
flawless despite its weirdness LOL



On 9/25/19 2:46 PM, Matt Mangriotis via AF wrote:


Just want to say THANK YOU for the feedback. I love reading this list 
every day…


Matt

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*Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] CnPulse sad

Yes, with universities having “cry closets” for our snowflake 
generation to use during finals, what would one expect.


BTW, AFMUG is not a “safe space”, we do our best to “trigger” 
snowflakes and it could be best said that we are a “brave space”.


*From:*Nate Burke

*Sent:*Wednesday, September 25, 2019 1:37 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] CnPulse sad

I'm sure they stopped doing that because all the sensitive engineers 
who are just out of college now can't handle being told that their 
ideas are bad.


I think the last time they had an event which was similar was when the 
original god-awful EPMP 1000 dishes had just come out.  The meeting 
was in January, we had one with and tried to get the engineers to come 
out and assemble it on the tailgate in the parking lot with us.  They 
refused.


On 9/25/2019 2:34 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:

Way back in the day, Motorola would send some of us prototypes to
test and give feedback on before they finalized the designs.

They used to also have groups of users voice opinions about the
roadmap.

*From:*Eric Muehleisen

*Sent:*Wednesday, September 25, 2019 1:28 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] CnPulse sad

I had the same head scratching moment with the uGPS before it was
called the cnPulse. The design is awkward to say the least. It
didn't have any idiot lights which was difficult for the tower
crew to troubleshoot. We quickly removed it and went to a
RackIjector. Best decision ever.

On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 2:11 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

We’ve always used PacketFlux sync products with Cambium
radios, I have a somewhat unusual install involving a 450i and
an omni and wanted AUX port sync and decided to try a CnPulse
instead of ordering a Syncbox Jr. AUX port version.

Am I wrong, or did the Cambium team responsible for this
product royally mess up?

1)  Big multilanguage instruction sheet, nowhere shows how to
assemble or install the product.

2) Instruction sheet has generic photo of Cambium radios
installed at a tower but does not show a CnPulse.

3)  Bracket is stupid and for some reason they decided the
cable glands should come out horizontally not at the bottom.

4)  Screws for attaching bracket (or flipping it around to
mount on the opposite side of the pipe) require a T15 bit,
because every tower climber carriers Torx bits.

5)  Label for which port is which is on the back where the
bracket attaches.  Yes there are also labels molded into the
plastic housing, but the grey on grey is almost invisible.

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the unit to the pipe. Except if we pointed the cable glands
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Re: [AFMUG] Grounding again

[dave via AF]

Gino,
 R56 usually states for data lines that the shield be grounded aprox 3' 
from radio entry port or surge protection on tower and duplicate for the 
down stairs.
The idea is to pull off as much un-wanted energy from the cable to 
ground. Also,consider using Surge protection devices such as Chuck's 
gear to help with any line surges.


We do this as a standard on all new and any updates we do on our sites.
We have recently started using Cat6 for our latest project using only 
superior Essex as it has the added rigid copper jacket with outer and 
inner pvc jacket which makes it very rigid for vertical install and 
cambium makes some awesome ground kits for it.




On 9/26/19 8:45 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:


So we have had lots of issues with blow radios recently during storms.

I do know that we are possibly causing them because we are using 
McCowns SS with Netonix switches.


So our long term plant is to fuse them, but in the meantime, should we 
connect the radios directly to the Netonix switches?


Should we ground the shielded cable shield or would the grounding of 
the radio would suffice?


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Re: [AFMUG] email client

[dave via AF]

Mozilla thunderbird ++1


On 9/17/19 8:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Do any of you have an email client you recommend to people who don’t 
buy Outlook?  I checked out the Mail app in Windows 10, and IMHO, it 
really sucks, I wouldn’t recommend it to anybody.





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Re: [AFMUG] Mesh whole house wifi

[dave via AF]

Are we doing this again LOL

I do all cambium so it was easy for us including using CNmaestro for 
total MSP access.
I have a shop here locally that we hand over the MSP keys for each site 
and they get residual for each one.

Too easy and got a Tshirt for it :)


On 9/5/19 1:36 PM, Clint Wiley wrote:


Hi all,

For those of you offering ‘whole house’ wifi services, what are you 
deploying? We know that the one sore point for our users is wifi 
coverage. Our ONT vendor (zhone) has been promising a solution for 
almost a year now but it still isn’t ready and, quite frankly, lacks 
the end user management features others might have. We’d like remote 
management so we can assist in setting SSID’s and changing passwords, et.


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Re: [AFMUG] Using Radius on Cambium with LDAP credentials.

[dave via AF]

Link up with me at Wispapalooza and Ill give you a few tips.


On 8/30/19 3:52 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:

Has anyone been able to make Cambium EAP-MD5 play well with LDAP?

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Re: [AFMUG] Using Radius on Cambium with LDAP credentials.

[dave via AF]

Head... Exploding!!!


On 8/30/19 3:52 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:

Has anyone been able to make Cambium EAP-MD5 play well with LDAP?

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Re: [AFMUG] You want your WiFi to work?

[dave via AF]

Why not both :)


On 9/4/19 2:06 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:

30 AP's or SSID's?

On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 9:38 PM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


30 Cisco Access Points in a warehouse where 6 would cover it
nicely.  The white graph line is my Cambium HotSpot I used for
tests during site survey...their bar code scanners are having
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Re: [AFMUG] You want your WiFi to work?

[dave via AF]

U...
 Turn off all of the cisco for half a day..
Or add 30 cambium aps :)


On 9/3/19 9:37 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
30 Cisco Access Points in a warehouse where 6 would cover it nicely.  
The white graph line is my Cambium HotSpot I used for tests during 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT saw a wreck yesterday

[dave via AF]

+100%


On 8/30/19 11:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I developed the habit when I was first learning to fly when I was 17 
years old.

I feel naked if I don’t click that seat belt.
*From:* Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Friday, August 30, 2019 10:51 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT saw a wreck yesterday

Wow.

My kids get on my case if I’m not wearing mine, so we’re good here, 
but man that is scary.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, August 30, 2019 9:58 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT saw a wreck yesterday

Supervising the use of a large Vermeer Rock Wheel yesterday, heard a 
noise from the street, looked over and saw a minivan airborne.  
Rotating in all possible axes (axes is the proper plural of axis, I 
actually looked it up).    Watching for people to come flying out of 
the vehicle, I was dialing 911 while trying to cross a very busy 
street.  Van came to a rest on its side.  A man and his daughter came 
climbing out the back window.


Superficial scratches.  Shaken up, but largely unharmed.  They had 
mounted the curb and hit a fire hydrant.  The hydrant came to rest 
half way from where it was originally and where the car came to rest.


Quite a scene normally seen in movies.  End over end, spinning and 
rolling.  It must have been 6’ off the ground when I first saw it.


I feared the worst.  For a time I was an EMT when I was young.  Glad 
to have had the training, did not like being an EMT.


I would say seat belts saved them from certain critical injury and 
most likely death.


Hope everyone always wears their seat belts.

My wife is still with me due to wearing hers.


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Re: [AFMUG] No escape!!

[dave via AF]

My tech put that on one of our towers yesterday LOL!


On 8/30/19 9:32 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

That is awesome!

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 7:15 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


That is literally the funniest graffiti I've ever seen.

On 8/29/2019 9:27 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] Using Surge Suppressors at CPE? Who does it?

[dave via AF]

The Bottom line is if its too difficult to ground an SS outdoors at the 
bare minimal place an inline protector at the router.
We do all of the above where it makes sense to otherwise inline is where 
its at.

They have saved us tons of routers from being blown.


On 8/29/19 1:43 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:
We install a one at the entry on every 450 install.  End up grounding 
to a hose bib or conduit into the ground at the back of the house half 
the time.  Service grounds in the city are generally long gone/built 
over and impossible to find.



On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 12:06 PM Sam Lambie > wrote:


I am wondering how many of you install either a Cambium SS,
McCowntech SS or Ubiquiti SS at a customers house.
We have been doing it since day one by placing inside at the
antenna cable ingress location. Makes for a great coupler to
change the cable from outdoor to indoor as well.
Since Cambiums SS's have gotten stupidly pricey, we have switched
to Ubiquiti, but they suck to mount cleanly and quickly. And to be
honest, Mccowntech are expensive as well.
My question is this, who thinks it's worth it to do every home all
the time?

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401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707




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Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz Noise

[dave via AF]

My beef with utilities is insted of using unlicensed spectrum use a band 
that make sense for this like 220Mhz which is widely available in most 
rural areas. One license would take care of our county and it would be 
your channel completely free of pissed off wisp and baby monitors lol.
I almost consider utilities public safety which has free rain of all 
sorts of licensed spectrum that would cover their needs.


I am even thinking the cambium long reach product would fit the bill in 
most case for Water utilities.



On 8/27/19 12:32 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
+1 Same experience here. Occasionally they will run software updates 
that broadcasts out to about 200 kbps to each meter. It will bring 
your 900 AP's to a crawl. We've coordinated the schedule of meter 
updates with the power company to perform between 2-4am. Thankfully 
they only run updates once or twice a year. Aside from that, it's 
hardly noticeable.


On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 11:53 AM Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:


Yes actually,

The power company around here just installed 900 MHz smart meters
and what we saw was during the first few weeks when they turned it
on and they were doing software updates there were some
significant modulation issues, although data did still pass.

After the software updates were done we are not seeing any impact
from just a random data polling.

We had communications with the power company to confirm all of this.

On Aug 27, 2019, at 12:43 PM, Ben Royer mailto:operati...@royell.net>> wrote:


Does anyone have any quick and dirty sets of documents discussing
experiences they’ve had with 900mhz smart meters, noise
associated, and any other data points?
Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net 
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Re: [AFMUG] FSK Stability

[dave via AF]

Decompd our last one 3 months ago



On 8/27/19 2:57 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
Getting ready to decom some old FSK aps.  Almost makes me sad to 
unplug it.








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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Proposes Fines Against WISPs and Issues Warning to Industry

[dave via AF]

What is the vert/horiz degree on those antennas or is it just one big 
rotating parabolic dish ?
I imagine they would have hundreds of slim sectors of about 1deg each 
inside a giant ball or dome.



On 8/23/19 8:39 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sadly we have seen this several times before.  Weather radar is extremely 
sensitive.  They use 60 dB antennas and scan in all directions.  If you are 
within 100 miles of them and using their 5.4 channels it is almost ceartain you 
will be caught.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 23, 2019, at 6:49 AM, dave via AF  wrote:

It means dont be THAT guy :)



On 8/22/19 3:44 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-proposes-fines-against-wisps-and-issues-warning-industry-0



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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Proposes Fines Against WISPs and Issues Warning to Industry

[dave via AF]

It means dont be THAT guy :)


On 8/22/19 3:44 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-proposes-fines-against-wisps-and-issues-warning-industry-0 






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Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

[dave via AF]

I like cnmaestro for these deployments because once you work out any 
provisioning issues you can hand over the keys to the project or offer a 
MSP contract to help with management or program changes they need.



On 8/22/19 8:29 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I wonder what the Xirrus acquisition will mean.  Is the focus on the 
development team, cloud management, or the WiFi hardware?


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *dave via AF
*Sent:* Thursday, August 22, 2019 8:06 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Cc:* dave 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

Paul,
 Have a look at the E700/E500 outdoor APs by Cambium networks.
I have done 2 large campus projects and now doing our first 
Campground. Easy to mesh and configure and performance hits the nail.


On 8/21/19 5:44 PM, Paul McCall wrote:

We have a small agriculture “campus” where we need to connect
about 6 APs back to the campus tower for “roaming” Wifi if that is
a thing.  Meaning the guy with a tablet is going to wander the
grounds and need to switch APs automagically.  In the past, we
have just setup Mikrotik 2.4 APs at each spot, backhauled it to
the main tower, and the customer had to pick the best AP.

I know there are high $$ solutions but trying to do this on the cheap.

How does UBNT Unifi do with something like this?

Any better (still in the cheap range) solutions?

*Paul McCall, President *

*Florida Broadband / PDMNet*

*658 Old Dixie Highway*

*Vero Beach, FL 32962*

*772-564-6800*






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Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

[dave via AF]

Paul,
 Have a look at the E700/E500 outdoor APs by Cambium networks.
I have done 2 large campus projects and now doing our first Campground. 
Easy to mesh and configure and performance hits the nail.




On 8/21/19 5:44 PM, Paul McCall wrote:


We have a small agriculture “campus” where we need to connect about 6 
APs back to the campus tower for “roaming” Wifi if that is a thing.  
Meaning the guy with a tablet is going to wander the grounds and need 
to switch APs automagically.  In the past, we have just setup Mikrotik 
2.4 APs at each spot, backhauled it to the main tower, and the 
customer had to pick the best AP.


I know there are high $$ solutions but trying to do this on the cheap.

How does UBNT Unifi do with something like this?

Any better (still in the cheap range) solutions?

*Paul McCall, President *

*Florida Broadband / PDMNet*

*658 Old Dixie Highway*

*Vero Beach, FL 32962*

*772-564-6800*




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Re: [AFMUG] 820 Support Help

[dave]

Nate, That almost seems like a little more alignment may be needed.
What does your link planner file say for recommended RX levels and it 
should show some other expected values as well?



On 8/14/19 10:02 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
It is an East/West Link.  The Radio that has the problems is facing 
East.  I have not been able to find any time correlation when it 
happens.  Anytime between 7am and noon, way after sunrise.


We put this link up in April.  It replaced a Trango APEX 18ghz link, 
so it was just new radios on existing dishes.  I just noticed the 
Issues in July, but they probably have been going on since we 
installed it.  It manifested itself as packet loss for a couple 
minutes at a time, so I only noticed it when I started running a ping 
plotter on traffic going through the link.


This morning it happened at 7:45, 8:45 and 9am.  MSE Drops from normal 
-38 to -34.  Only on the Port1 Radio.  The Port2 Radio is fine.  Port1 
is only able to get to 1024 QAM, it won't run 2048. Signal levels on 
Port1 and Port2 are the same.


FWIW, the last time Cambium Made an update to the ticket was last 
Friday.  I guess I'm expecting better Support for the 820 equipment, 
given it's pricepoint.




On 8/14/2019 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote:


What time of day does this happen? Does it correlate with sunrise and 
sunset? Is this an East/West orientated link?


Thank You,

Brian Webster

<http://www.wirelessmapping.com>www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *dave
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 14, 2019 8:48 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 820 Support Help

have a look at the MSE stats which is kind of a SNR value.. since I 
run dual core xpic mode this is very helpful in determining interference.
Hopefully you have a base line of when it was installed to compare 
notes because this will certainly let you know if something has 
changed drastically



On 8/13/19 6:09 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Is there anything he can do to confirm interference or rule it
out, short of coordinating a different set of frequencies
(assuming that is even possible)?

What do the big carriers do in such a case?  Can the radios
monitor for signal level if the other end is muted?  Sending
someone up the tower with a spectrum analyzer and a waveguide
adapter seems not feasible if this happens for 5 minutes a couple
times a day.

Cambium saying it “might be interference” doesn’t seem
particularly helpful unless you can test their theory.

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *dave
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 13, 2019 4:38 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 820 Support Help

If it is interference then I would be checking with comsearch or
one of the other coordinators to see if anything recent has been
issued for license.
 If not then a re-check on alignment would be the other step taken.


On 8/13/19 12:43 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

Any cambium 820 support people lurking on here?  I've been
having trouble with an 18ghz 820C link since the beginning of
July and My support ticket only get's updated by Cambium
every couple days.  I was hoping that there might be someone
who would be able to help me out with a little quicker
turnaround.

It's modulating way down on 1 chain in 1 direction a couple
times per day, for less than 5 minutes.  Most of the time it
works fine. The last work from support was that they think it
might be interference.  I'm hoping to get a little more
direction in trying to track down what's going on, but with
only a few responses per week, I'll be working on this until
Christmas.

Thanks,
Nate











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Re: [AFMUG] 820 Support Help

[dave]

have a look at the MSE stats which is kind of a SNR value.. since I run 
dual core xpic mode this is very helpful in determining interference.
Hopefully you have a base line of when it was installed to compare notes 
because this will certainly let you know if something has changed 
drastically



On 8/13/19 6:09 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Is there anything he can do to confirm interference or rule it out, 
short of coordinating a different set of frequencies (assuming that is 
even possible)?


What do the big carriers do in such a case?  Can the radios monitor 
for signal level if the other end is muted?  Sending someone up the 
tower with a spectrum analyzer and a waveguide adapter seems not 
feasible if this happens for 5 minutes a couple times a day.


Cambium saying it “might be interference” doesn’t seem particularly 
helpful unless you can test their theory.


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *dave
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 13, 2019 4:38 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 820 Support Help

If it is interference then I would be checking with comsearch or one 
of the other coordinators to see if anything recent has been issued 
for license.

 If not then a re-check on alignment would be the other step taken.


On 8/13/19 12:43 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

Any cambium 820 support people lurking on here?  I've been having
trouble with an 18ghz 820C link since the beginning of July and My
support ticket only get's updated by Cambium every couple days.  I
was hoping that there might be someone who would be able to help
me out with a little quicker turnaround.

It's modulating way down on 1 chain in 1 direction a couple times
per day, for less than 5 minutes.  Most of the time it works fine.
The last work from support was that they think it might be
interference.  I'm hoping to get a little more direction in trying
to track down what's going on, but with only a few responses per
week, I'll be working on this until Christmas.

Thanks,
Nate




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Re: [AFMUG] 820 Support Help

[dave]

If it is interference then I would be checking with comsearch or one of 
the other coordinators to see if anything recent has been issued for 
license.

 If not then a re-check on alignment would be the other step taken.


On 8/13/19 12:43 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
Any cambium 820 support people lurking on here?  I've been having 
trouble with an 18ghz 820C link since the beginning of July and My 
support ticket only get's updated by Cambium every couple days.  I was 
hoping that there might be someone who would be able to help me out 
with a little quicker turnaround.


It's modulating way down on 1 chain in 1 direction a couple times per 
day, for less than 5 minutes.  Most of the time it works fine. The 
last work from support was that they think it might be interference.  
I'm hoping to get a little more direction in trying to track down 
what's going on, but with only a few responses per week, I'll be 
working on this until Christmas.


Thanks,
Nate




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Re: [AFMUG] OT fun call

[dave]

I was always taught the proof is in the puddin :)


On 7/18/19 10:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I got a call from a guy wanting to know why my surge suppressors are 
better than Transtector.  Hard question to answer.  Which paper towel 
is the quicker picker upper. Duracell or Energizer etc.  He had lots 
of grounding opinions etc.  Was a bit of a tedious call in the beginning.
I told him to get on this list and get opinions from users.  He did 
not want to do that.
The conversation evolved into him describeing the high frequency 
trading system he is building using HF radio to Europe. Curtain 
Arrays.  16-64 QAM 50-200 kbps.  50 kW transmitter I think.   A real 
hummingbird project.  They send the data via radio and fiber.  Then at 
the far end they look at the delayed pure data to adjust RF equalizer 
circuits to clean up the RX data.  Fun stuff.




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Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Edgeswitch Repair

[dave]

PFFT...
Throw it away and get a new one it met its life cycle :)


On 7/29/19 9:40 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
Is there anyone that does Edgeswitch Repairs?  I have a unit that's a 
couple years old that has the "Failed by component 171 - UBNT_POE" 
boot loop problem.  Looking through the UBNT Forums, that sounds like 
a hardware failure of some sort.  This is a 250W 24Port switch.  Since 
they're still like $380 to buy new, I thought maybe for $100 someone 
is repairing the $0.30 component that I'm guessing failed.





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Re: [AFMUG] Chrome - AW SNAP!

[dave]

BOOM!
Mind Blown!


On 7/24/19 9:11 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

No problems.  Also 75.0.3770.142 (Official Build) (64-bit)

Please contact your network administrator or Internet Service Provider.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 10:09 AM Louis Arsenault > wrote:


I have not noticed any issues with 75.0.3770.142 (Official Build)
(64-bit)

On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 10:04 AM Matt Hoppes
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:

Anyone else seeing almost constant "Aw Snap" issue on every
webpage with
Chrome since the recent update they just pushed out?

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Re: [AFMUG] alarm company calls every time Internet blips

[dave]

We have elevators,alarms and sensors all over the county and in all 
sorts of businesses and factories.
No issues as of late but we have placed gennys at the major sites that 
make sense and some battery back up where it makes sense.
With our lightning sensor I am able to log when a site has to go off 
line for a few minutes and come back due to nearby lightning.




On 7/22/19 7:55 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
In my opinion, alarms should be connected to a reliable cellular 
provider like Verizon or AT&T who typically have backup generators. 
Cellular will be more reliable than a residential internet connection 
and there's some level of redundancy in the fact if one cell tower 
goes down, it easily fails over to the next closest tower since it's a 
mobile service.


I don't recommend anything critical like alarms, fire, and medical 
systems to be only on an internet connection.


On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 4:07 PM > wrote:


Commercial in my case.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2019 2:59 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] alarm company calls every time Internet blips

Are these residential systems or commercial?

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2019 3:33 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] alarm company calls every time Internet blips

Having the alarm company call at every outage I think is standard
practice.  Then if anything happens, it's not their fault..  The
Fire alarm I manage  has an RF connection to the alarm company. 
The Battery in their RF Transmitter was going bad (In a box only
they had a key to), and there was a lot of construction going on. 
Every time the power flashed, I got a call that the system had
gone offline.

On 7/22/2019 1:34 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Who could stand the noise?

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Monday, July 22, 2019 12:24 PM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] alarm company calls every time Internet
blips

What happened to guard dogs?

My wife’s grandfather owned basically a junkyard for farmers,
and he had guard peacocks.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2019 1:13 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] alarm company calls every time Internet
blips

Mine is Peak Alarm.  For my shop.

*From:*Steve Jones

*Sent:*Monday, July 22, 2019 12:01 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] alarm company calls every time Internet
blips

Sounds like Brinks Home Security, 50 bucks a call too probably

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 12:05 PM  wrote:

I get called whenever it loses power or connectivity.

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Monday, July 22, 2019 10:33 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*[AFMUG] alarm company calls every time Internet
blips

I’m used to customers with webcams, and all the issues
those involve.  But I just had a customer call saying they
bought an alarm system that every time the Internet goes
down, the alarm company calls them.  In this case she says
their Internet doesn’t work  until they restart their
router (not from us), so I assume it’s a router issue. 
Maybe the new alarm system is doing UPnP stuff and messing
with the router.

But in general, is this reasonable?  Every time the
customer has a power outage or, god forbid, we do system
maintenance like firmware upgrades, the alarm company is
going to  be calling them and pointing at finger at their ISP?




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Re: [AFMUG] alarm company calls every time Internet blips

[dave]

No its some stupid ass iot shit im sure of it... Hate those thingys


On 7/22/19 11:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I’m used to customers with webcams, and all the issues those involve.  
But I just had a customer call saying they bought an alarm system that 
every time the Internet goes down, the alarm company calls them.  In 
this case she says their Internet doesn’t work  until they restart 
their router (not from us), so I assume it’s a router issue. Maybe the 
new alarm system is doing UPnP stuff and messing with the router.


But in general, is this reasonable?  Every time the customer has a 
power outage or, god forbid, we do system maintenance like firmware 
upgrades, the alarm company is going to  be calling them and pointing 
at finger at their ISP?





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Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

[dave]

I hate to be cold hearted but Ken is right and as far as value for the 
debt you mentioned and n0. of subs and value of gear used.
I would say its worth $0 and some change besides the customer base to 
acquire is all its worth.

I would just start a new and start going after that Base.



On 7/16/19 7:54 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
I've been bit in the ass everytime I tried to do something nice for 
someone. Start acting more like a businessman and your life will 
become easier and you'll feel better being paid for your time and 
services.


If I were you, I'd give him a couple days grace period to pay the past 
due. If he doesn't, shut him off then start overbuilding his network 
and take his customers.


If his network isn't something you're proud of, why buy a subpar 
company? Build something new up to your standards.


He'll learn a valuable life lesson after all this. Don't cheat on your 
spouse, pay your bills, and don't take help from someone for granted.


On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 6:08 AM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Are you asking about a price on the assumption you would be the
buyer, or the competitor? Ideally a value would be based on EBIDTA
not revenue. Lacking that information, maybe somewhere between 6
and 12 months revenue.  Probably seller financing, something along
the lines of he gets 75% of revenue and you get 25% for the first
year, then you own it.  But it sounds like he owes you a bunch of
money.  And you really don’t want it.  If you don’t want it, it’s
worth zero.  Also you want to buy the assets not the company,
structure it so that you don’t get hit with debts and other
liabilities.  And remember to factor in prepays, if he is short of
operating capital, he may be getting a lot of customers to pay
yearly, in which case on average you provide service for 6 months
but he already got the revenue.

I think the idea behind paying some multiple of yearly revenue is
that you’re acquiring customers, in which case it has to be
weighed against the cost of acquiring a customer through other
means, like advertising or promos.  Which brings up the question,
do your networks overlap?  If he fails, do the customers come to
you anyway?  Do you and the competitor split them?  If you will
get the customers anyway, why pay him for them?

From the information you provided, it seems unlikely you’ll ever
see the money owed you.  He probably realizes this.  Maybe he
hopes to sell to the competitor to get cash to pay his debt to
you, that’s probably wishful thinking.  Or he sells to you and
after accounting for what he owes you he gets very little.

There is a saying don’t throw good money after bad.  Ask yourself
what is the probability you will ever see any of the money he owes
you.  If the chances are slim to none, you need to move forward on
that basis.  Maybe that means cut the cord and let him fail.  If
you realistically think he can repay you, which scenario makes
that more likely, you buying or the competitor buying?  It would
really suck if he sold to the competitor and still didn’t pay you
what he owes. But if you buy him out, that probably means you’re
taking what he owes out of the sales price, and he may not get
much cash out of the deal.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 16, 2019 4:03 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wisp value

Jeez my cell phone keyboard is terrible!

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 1:59 AM TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:

I've been mentoring a friend of mine, he's young and rather
ambitious. He started out his 'wisp' using a residential cable
connection, I've helped him for basically free for the last
three years grow his base to 250 customers, he just last week
acquired a failing wisp with 65 subs on a no money down, pay
us a commission basis. I've been managing most of his core
network and providing him IPv4 and transit for a steal of a
price, I even loaned him a substantial amount of cash recently
to buy a bunch of surplus equipment. Well anyway I guess he
got caught with another women and his wife is demanding he
shut down or sell the wisp for whatever reason, he called and
put this all on my plate today.

Instead of offering to sell me the company (I don't really
want it) he tellse that he's going to try selling to a local
competitor whom I consider slightly a better personal than a
child molester.

So anyway I'll try to stop rambling, what's a wisp Worth these
days? Gross revenue for a year is what I figure (max) with his
all used ubnt equipment?

The other dilemma is that he's about 3 months behind on his
transit and

Re: [AFMUG] This guy died today

[dave]

Things moved much slower so "High Speed" was an advance in multi-tasking :)


On 7/15/19 8:10 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Saw that yesterday. I did not know him, and none of the guys/gals that 
I hang with remembered him either.


 :-(


bp


On 7/15/2019 5:34 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Way ahead of his time:
https://youtu.be/FTcLzZOQTvk





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Re: [AFMUG] "router guard"

[dave]

Just WOW!


On 7/14/19 4:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
The box to put your router in is kind of ridiculous... but the thing 
to put over your head is much more practical!


On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 3:41 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


It’s only going to get worse.


https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/viral/dreams-movie-stardom-nah-teens-vidcon-long-be-influencers-n1029551

“Why would I go to college when I could become an influencer and
get all this free stuff?”

“'I don't want to go off and work in a cubicle. I want to be a
YouTuber.”

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "router guard"

That's the real meaning of IoT. Internet of Twits.

bp



  


On 7/14/2019 12:51 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Some of those reviews show the absolute ignorance of some people.

I don’t say that lightly, I usually give people the benefit of
the doubt and such, but the nonsense one of the reviews says
is just sickening.

*From:*AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Sunday, July 14, 2019 9:03 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "router guard"

The comments are fun, here is one:

It stopped my nosebleeds, cured cancer, and whatever. I put my
wifi router in it and measured signal output and it was the
same with our without the Router Guard. Turns out WiFi cures
cancer!

4 people found this helpful

*From:*Bill Prince

*Sent:*Sunday, July 14, 2019 8:30 AM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] "router guard"

Never underestimate the sound of Ka-ching!

bp



  


On 7/13/2019 8:32 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

There are an amazing amount of people who think WiFi
radiation is harmful.  And an amazing amount of people
willing to prey on their insecurities.

-forrest

On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 8:45 PM Ken Hohhof
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Do people really buy these things?  What is the point
of buying a Faraday cage for your router?  It seems
like using an umbrella in the shower.

https://www.amazon.com/Router-Guard-Large-WiFi/dp/B07MXD75TR

Even crazier:


https://www.amazon.com/Microwave-Shielding-Headnet-Radiation-Exposure/dp/B07P3J6J9C

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Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

[dave]

looks like 102 ohms @ 2%
but closer to 100 ohms

On 6/19/19 2:55 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Nope but closer...
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 19, 2019 12:40 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

Is that first band grey or white? Makes more sense that it’s grey.  
806 ohms 1%.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Albert J Rachide
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 19, 2019 1:37 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Today’s quiz

4060 ohms?

Al Rachide
Pink Hill, NC

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On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 2:16 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:


What should the resistance be?


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Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

[dave]

I think cust density is important here.
A 450i will even get more subs than epmp ever thought due to protocol 
restrictions,processor and memory capacity.

A 450m is great if you have 60+ subs on one AP.



On 6/19/19 11:23 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
We have a site that has 3-4 fairly loaded ePMP 2K sectors (30 deg 
horns).  There are a large number of customers in a single 90 
degrees.  While we could probably upgrade to ePMP 3K to get a bit of a 
boost, there is still a cost associated in replacing all the CPE to 
get the full benefit.


At this point, we're trying to determine if something like 450M makes 
sense for this 90 degrees of coverage.  The cost is obviously much 
higher, but I think it may be a better solution in the long run. If we 
could find a spare 20Mhz, we could run both our existing ePMP radios 
and the 450M at the same time while we cut subscribers over.


Are there other people here who have been in similar situations and 
have deployed 450M?  I realize the performance of the 450M is 
dependent upon CPE locations, but overall, were you happy with the 
boost in performance in general?  I feel like most people who have 
upgraded to 450M were already running 450, so you didn't really have 
to forklift all CPE. If that were the case, I think it would be a 
no-brainer.


Interested in hearing any success (or failure) stories about people 
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Re: [AFMUG] the start of the 6G hype?

[dave]

10-4, then youll have to get that new Xgen fiber upgrade :)


On 6/17/19 2:33 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Analog brains actually require more bandwidth.


bp


On 6/17/2019 12:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Depends on the brain.  3G would probably be plenty for mine.

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *dave
*Sent:* Monday, June 17, 2019 1:49 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the start of the 6G hype?

Its going to tap the inner synapses of your brain... TONS of data :)
Welcome the  PETRA bit LOL

On 6/17/19 1:21 PM, Tim Withrow via AF wrote:

The hype and timelines for the evolution of 5,6,7 and 8G seems
scrambled and undefined now.  Maybe Korea will lead the way with
a even better network evolution to jump over the hype and just
implement what works.



On Monday, June 17, 2019 Mark Radabaugh mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

Just really makes me scratch my head.    What the heck does
remote AI have to do with needing huge data transfer schemes?  
Unless we are talking about seriously expanding the type of
sensor data there isn’t much more input or output data to
transfer back and forth between the end user device and the
remote computer than what can already be done.   Two, maybe three
video streams, a couple audio channels, a few other lower data
rate streams and you pretty much have it.

Mark



On Jun 17, 2019, at 10:09 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

At first I assumed this was a joke or satire, but apparently not.


https://venturebeat.com/2019/06/14/researchers-say-6g-will-stream-human-brain-caliber-ai-to-wireless-devices/

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Re: [AFMUG] the start of the 6G hype?

[dave]

Its going to tap the inner synapses of your brain... TONS of data :)
Welcome the  PETRA bit LOL

On 6/17/19 1:21 PM, Tim Withrow via AF wrote:


The hype and timelines for the evolution of 5,6,7 and 8G seems 
scrambled and undefined now.  Maybe Korea will lead the way with a 
even better network evolution to jump over the hype and just implement 
what works.





On Monday, June 17, 2019 Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

Just really makes me scratch my head.    What the heck does remote AI 
have to do with needing huge data transfer schemes?   Unless we are 
talking about seriously expanding the type of sensor data there isn’t 
much more input or output data to transfer back and forth between the 
end user device and the remote computer than what can already be done. 
  Two, maybe three video streams, a couple audio channels, a few other 
lower data rate streams and you pretty much have it.


Mark

On Jun 17, 2019, at 10:09 AM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:


At first I assumed this was a joke or satire, but apparently not.
https://venturebeat.com/2019/06/14/researchers-say-6g-will-stream-human-brain-caliber-ai-to-wireless-devices/
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Re: [AFMUG] akamai contact

[dave]

Have them unplug their Xbox and see if bandwidth drops or goes away. If 
so, could be an Xbox update or an infected one.

Also, If they have a security system could be a possible issue.



On 6/17/19 11:34 AM, Joe Novak wrote:
So something on the customer's network is requesting that data stream. 
I mean, personally, the process of elimination with the customer seems 
a whole lot easier then getting in contact with Akamai, but that is 
just me.


I would go as far as changing the wireless credentials on the router, 
unplug everything, and then plug everything back in one at a 
time/connect everything one at a time until the stream resumes.


On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 11:26 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:


Joe,

We still track usage per customer.  We no longer have hard limits,
but we still have soft limits on our system. Customers will get
e-mails as they approach these limits. This one customer called
because he got an email.  After looking at his data we determined
that he was downloading almost 1GB/hour of traffic 24/7. 
Basically a leaky faucet.  I tracked it down to one IP address. 
Had him check the usual stuff like streaming devices left on, no
luck.  Gave him a new IP address, kept going.  Now I'm blocking it
in my firewall, but it is still trying to send him stuff.  I have
no idea.  I know something on his system must be requesting it,
but he has no clue.

Just sent akamai an email with sample log entries, we'll see what
comes back.



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Do you think this customer is getting a stream of data they did
not request?



On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 11:07 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:

Mike,

Thanks,  I'll give this a shot and see what I can get.  Probably
going to regret going down this rabbit hole.


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Monday, June 17, 2019, 12:00:37 PM, you wrote:


You're not going to find one entity using any of their IPs.

Calling will almost never get you anywhere with a tech company.

https://www.akamai.com/us/en/support/end-user-faq.jspLook at the
bottom for abuse contact information.



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*Subject: *[AFMUG] akamai contact

Anyone  have  a  akamai  contact.   I have a customer getting a steady
stream  of  data  from  an  IP  address  that  resolves  back to them.
Currently  blocking  the  address  for the customer, but that is not a
long term solution.  Would like to figure out who or what at akamai is
using that address.

Tried calling them, but got nowhere fast.


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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: RV Park Wifi gear, needs to be upgraded, what are you using nowadays?

[dave]

Yes,
 I have done this on a smaller site deployment.


On 6/17/19 11:52 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:

Can the AP act as a router as well if directly plugged into an SM?

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 10:46 AM John Seaman via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:


The Cambium outdoor APs have POE Out which is handy for powering
an ePMP SM.  In addition to the E500 and E501 there is also the AC
Wave 2 E700 (omni)

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *dave
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*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Wifi gear, needs to be
upgraded, what are you using nowadays?

All cambium E500 or E501
All Mesh and node.
Fed via mikrotik for Radius control  or Hot spot...

I likes it ALOT :)


On 6/17/19 10:30 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:

Hey all,

We have a small RV park that is about 5 acres. Currently it
has 2 UBNT Outdoor + in place, one as the Main AP and another
as a repeater. I'd like to upgrade that gear and am wondering
what you guys are doing. Thanks!

Sam

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Re: [AFMUG] RV Park Wifi gear, needs to be upgraded, what are you using nowadays?

[dave]

All cambium E500 or E501
All Mesh and node.
Fed via mikrotik for Radius control  or Hot spot...

I likes it ALOT :)


On 6/17/19 10:30 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:

Hey all,

We have a small RV park that is about 5 acres. Currently it has 2 UBNT 
Outdoor + in place, one as the Main AP and another as a repeater. I'd 
like to upgrade that gear and am wondering what you guys are doing. 
Thanks!

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Rx Fragment count - what is it counting?

[dave]

I would chk the device connecting to this port to see if it is 
registering any frame loss or TX drops.
If so this could be a Layer 1 issue with dirty connections or just a 
misconfig of what one end sees for advertisement of port speed.



On 6/15/19 9:15 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I feel stupid for asking this, but can someone explain to me what the 
Rx Fragment count means in Ethernet interface statistics?  The usual 
online resources are not helping much in this case.


I have an RB4011 with 2 spare Ethernet ports bridged so that I can 
monitor the traffic between a customer’s internal network and a 
private PTP microwave link to their other building.  The Mikrotik is 
not doing any layer 3 processing on these ports, and would not be able 
to reassemble IP fragments, but what is it using to determine that 
packets are “fragments”?


The fragment count incoming from the customer’s Dell switch is around 
25% of the total packet count according to the Mikrotik stats.  That 
number seems alarmingly high.  The customer is not complaining about 
any issues related to this.  Does this just mean the Dell switch is 
fragmenting jumbo frames to go over the Ethernet interface, and this 
is totally normal?  The customer does have fiber between the various 
switches in their building.


Or do I have some kind of a configuration problem?  The settings on 
the Mikrotik interface are MTU=1500, L2 MTU=1592, Max L2 MTU=9578.





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Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills

[dave]

LOL!
 I can see that with some of the yonger generation of military.
 I questioned almost everything when I was a PV2/E2 it was in our dna
As I become wiser and more intuitive it became clear :)


On 6/6/19 3:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


You do sometimes have to teach them not to blindly follow orders. I 
worked at one company that hired several young military guys, and we 
referred to  them as the “hut hut hut” guys. If the boss told them to 
take that hill, they would take that hill no matter what, rather than 
question if the boss was maybe a pointy haired moron.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atks5rRqQkg

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *dave
*Sent:* Thursday, June 6, 2019 7:59 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills

Since I was a Full time and a Part time soldier I was brought up with 
good values and the meaning of hard work even  though I had
my spell of crazy young man days but I think my first Tour humbled me 
a bit to understand Focus.
Now that i am older it seems my Focus on some days fails me and I 
often wonder if there are younger more focused people to

sustain hard work when needed.

I strongly believe in the hard worker and the veterans returning home 
looking to start a new.



On 6/5/19 12:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Or like me, I can fly a desk, but I’m afraid of heights and that
would be a problem if you hired me as an installer.

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<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:01 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills

Indeed. For an installer, it seems to me that construction-type
experience is probably more valuable than tech experience.

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 8:21 AM Jay Weekley
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

Was he in the dilemma of trying to get a tech job without
experience but
couldn't experience without a job?  I'm as interested in
someone that
knows a wood bit from a mortar bit as I am in someone that can
perform a
simple router setup.

Jerry Head wrote:
> Disagree.
> We hired an installer last year who just turned 18.
> He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who
showed up.
> We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router.
> He failed.
> My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway".
> We did hire him and he has worked out really well.
> So there's that I guess.
>
>
> On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List
Account)
>>> mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> A couple of thoughts:
>>>
>>> Many of these type of people will be working on something
interesting
>>> in their own time.    Maybe some probing questions about
what they
>>> have done on their own.  Depending on what you're looking
for, things
>>> like 'have you ever played with an arduino?  Raspberry Pi?
etc?'
>>> might help.
>>>
>>> Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a
job listing?
>>> That might be a good starting point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> When I was young I went exploring.  I'd ask my mom if I
could go for a
>>>> bike ride.  I never really specified where, and just kept
ranging
>>>> farther and farther from home.  I'd end up in creeks,
culvert pipes,
>>>> climbing fences, walking through woods, construction
sites, quarries,
>>>> and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of. 
I got
>>>> there on
>>>> my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all
under the
>>>> category of "going for a bike ride".  I only got arrested
once, but I
>>>> probably deserved it a few more times.
>>>>
>>>> I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a
battery to play
>>>> wit

Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills

[dave]

Since I was a Full time and a Part time soldier I was brought up with 
good values and the meaning of hard work even  though I had
my spell of crazy young man days but I think my first Tour humbled me a 
bit to understand Focus.
Now that i am older it seems my Focus on some days fails me and I often 
wonder if there are younger more focused people to

sustain hard work when needed.

I strongly believe in the hard worker and the veterans returning home 
looking to start a new.




On 6/5/19 12:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Or like me, I can fly a desk, but I’m afraid of heights and that would 
be a problem if you hired me as an installer.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:01 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills

Indeed. For an installer, it seems to me that construction-type 
experience is probably more valuable than tech experience.


On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 8:21 AM Jay Weekley > wrote:


Was he in the dilemma of trying to get a tech job without
experience but
couldn't experience without a job?  I'm as interested in someone that
knows a wood bit from a mortar bit as I am in someone that can
perform a
simple router setup.

Jerry Head wrote:
> Disagree.
> We hired an installer last year who just turned 18.
> He was one of three people (of 9 who answered the ad) who showed up.
> We had a simple test of programming a XX-Link router.
> He failed.
> My network engineer said "Lets try him anyway".
> We did hire him and he has worked out really well.
> So there's that I guess.
>
>
> On 5/31/2019 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Anyone worth a crap is not out looking for a job these days.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 30, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>> mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> A couple of thoughts:
>>>
>>> Many of these type of people will be working on something
interesting
>>> in their own time.    Maybe some probing questions about what they
>>> have done on their own.  Depending on what you're looking for,
things
>>> like 'have you ever played with an arduino? Raspberry Pi? etc?'
>>> might help.
>>>
>>> Have you thought about what would have attracted you to a job
listing?
>>> That might be a good starting point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:28 AM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
 wrote:

 When I was young I went exploring.  I'd ask my mom if I could
go for a
 bike ride.  I never really specified where, and just kept ranging
 farther and farther from home.  I'd end up in creeks, culvert
pipes,
 climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites,
quarries,
 and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of.  I got
 there on
 my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the
 category of "going for a bike ride".  I only got arrested
once, but I
 probably deserved it a few more times.

 I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery
to play
 with the components.  At an early job they were impressed that I
 correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence.  I also
 plugged a
 DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I also
 melted a
 NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the charger too
long.

 My hobbies included model trains and my RC car.  I could tell
you the
 difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was
10. I
 tagged
 along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger
 10/22.  I
 slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes
didn't bring
 anything but matches.  Played with fireworks, made my own
fireworks
 with
 homemade black powder and/or match heads.

 My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a
 lawnmower, and so on.

 Every success and every failure contributed to a set of
skills that I
 took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have
them.
 Things
 like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand
tools,
 and
 a general sense of time, distance, and direction.

 So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job
 applicant
 is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything works?
 How do
 I attract that applicant to begin with? I may want specific
skills
 too
 like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want people who
can figure
 stuf

Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

[dave]

Capt Dan... You got no legs :)


On 6/4/19 8:33 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


Fundamentally except for the quantities. Starlink is putting up almost 
as many birds per launch as Iridium put up in total.



bp


On 6/3/2019 7:36 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
If you look at Iridium and adjust for inflation the cost should be 
easily attainable since it was a public company.

Fundamentally the same network right?

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019, 7:44 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:



Only 10 launches a year on F9.  Say 15m for S2, 10m for S1
(assume 5x reuse & refurb cost).  So 1/4b per year in launch
costs.  Assume another 1/4b for the birds and 1/4b for ops. 
You've got a world wide network for 3/4b per year.

> On Jun 3, 2019, at 5:55 PM, Matt Hoppes
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:
>
> Ek. That’s rather expensive.
>
>> On Jun 3, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Once they get all the bird flying, one estimate is that they
will have to launch ~~ 600 per year just to replace the dead ones.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>> On 6/3/2019 3:19 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> How do you maintain a fleet of that many satellites?  Or do
you just let one fail and send a new one up?
>>>
 On Jun 3, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Robert Andrews
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

 If I don't have to sign a NDA,  I'll share what I find out...

> On 06/03/2019 11:23 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> Anyone planning to get one and give it a try?
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Re: [AFMUG] 11 & 18 GHz

[dave]

What would be the reason to have that other than some latency possibilities


On 5/29/19 8:20 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:


Sadly, no L1 aggregation

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There is chatter in the wood about a combiner for the 820c to carry 
60Ghz carrier and push 10Gbs



cid:part1.230B4DFA.B9948C2D@wletc.com

On 5/25/19 9:46 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Most of my shots would 3-4 miles min.  1 mile would be rare for me.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 25, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I wouldn't be a bit worried about a 1 mile 80ghz link in
Utah pushing beyond about a mile and half might get a bit
scary, but I don't see rain fade ever being a problem out
there at 1 mile

On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 4:51 PM Craig House
mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net>>
wrote:

That’s why I asked.  80 ghz at up to 2 miles here and they
work pretty flawlessly   Pita to align but value is there
for the capacity.  We used Siklu and have haven’t touched
them since we installed them but that hasn’t been a long
time yet.  6 months or so

Sent from my iPhone


On May 25, 2019, at 16:43, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

Ditto



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For the short shots... don't discount 80GHz.  You
could probably push that out to 3 miles in your neck
of the woods.

Siklu and SIAE are probably the two to look at there. 
Both have 10Gbps options at what the microwave 1Gbps
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ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote on
5/25/19 15:19:

Most of them would be minimum 1 mile to a max of
perhaps 10 miles.

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Re: [AFMUG] Strange case: elevated water tank near tower causing reflection, ABAB reuse issue?

[dave]

I would have a look at your Downtilt and AZ towards water tank.
May need to shift sectors left or right to over come the tank.
Think about light and if everything reflective was white and all empty 
space was dark. (RF GOGGLE THEORY) LOL



On 5/24/19 11:34 AM, Colin Stanners wrote:
I have a strange case that I wished to check with you ladies and 
gentlemen (...or "animals" - we've never established a term for AF 
members?):


I have a tower where we're using 3.65Ghz PMP450 with ABAB frequency 
re-use (recent installation). Users wouldn't stay connected to the N 
sector; I ran an SA and it was clean, other tests looked good. I was 
thinking over possible causes and remembered that there's a big 
elevated water tank ~3000ft S from the tower, whose surface could 
reflect signals from the S sector (that is on the same frequency as 
the N AP) towards N directions, at an angle that would be in the main 
lobe of almost all the customers. I don't know passive-reflector math 
enough to estimate how strong that reflection would be, but has anyone 
seen such a case before?




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Re: [AFMUG] 11 & 18 GHz

[dave]

There is chatter in the wood about a combiner for the 820c to carry 
60Ghz carrier and push 10Gbs



On 5/25/19 9:46 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Most of my shots would 3-4 miles min.  1 mile would be rare for me.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 25, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Mathew Howard > wrote:


I wouldn't be a bit worried about a 1 mile 80ghz link in Utah 
pushing beyond about a mile and half might get a bit scary, but I 
don't see rain fade ever being a problem out there at 1 mile


On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 4:51 PM Craig House > wrote:


That’s why I asked.  80 ghz at up to 2 miles here and they work
pretty flawlessly   Pita to align but value is there for the
capacity.  We used Siklu and have haven’t touched them since we
installed them but that hasn’t been a long time yet.  6 months or so

Sent from my iPhone

On May 25, 2019, at 16:43, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:


Ditto



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*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 11 & 18 GHz

For the short shots... don't discount 80GHz.  You could probably
push that out to 3 miles in your neck of the woods.

Siklu and SIAE are probably the two to look at there.  Both have
10Gbps options at what the microwave 1Gbps is going to cost you.


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ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote on 5/25/19 15:19:

Most of them would be minimum 1 mile to a max of perhaps 10
miles.
*From:* Craig House
*Sent:* Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:12 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 11 & 18 GHz
How long of shot?

*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com 
*To: *af@af.afmug.com 
*Sent: *Saturday, May 25, 2019 4:02:03 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] 11 & 18 GHz
Need to shoot some backbone links to subdivisions with
perhaps 50 or 100 homes.  Fiber to the home but I have to
build out to them so microwave to the remote for now.  High
number of subs it works out to about 4 Mbps per sub.  So 100
homes would be just fine with 500 Mbps link.  However it is
hard to sell Gig accounts if you cannot burst to Gig.
Trying to pick the radios.  Have not bought a microwave
radio for some time and not sure what is the best choice.  I
used to love SAF but I know there are new choices and lower
cost choices out there now.
Looking for recommendations.  Bang for the buck but also
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Re: [AFMUG] 11 & 18 GHz

[dave]

If a budget is in question take a look at the cambium PTP820C.
Competition to Aviat for sure.
Turn up dual core and use xpic get 1.2Gbs both ways
I have 3 links

If u used to link planner then too easy for design and submission to 
your fave distributor.




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Need to shoot some backbone links to subdivisions with perhaps 50 or 
100 homes.  Fiber to the home but I have to build out to them so 
microwave to the remote for now.  High number of subs it works out to 
about 4 Mbps per sub.  So 100 homes would be just fine with 500 Mbps 
link.  However it is hard to sell Gig accounts if you cannot burst to Gig.
Trying to pick the radios.  Have not bought a microwave radio for some 
time and not sure what is the best choice.  I used to love SAF but I 
know there are new choices and lower cost choices out there now.
Looking for recommendations.  Bang for the buck but also very solid 
and dependable.  What would you use?




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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Active Lightning Suppressor - Snake Oil, or Science?

[dave]

Its best if site is powered down but I ve measured either way and havent 
really seen much difference



On 5/24/19 9:10 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
No, it isn't that simple. If you clamp it on a ground rod below the 
ground ring attachment it gives you the resistance to ground of that 
particular rod.
You clamp it on the incoming nuetral line from the power company to 
measure the complete site resistance.


On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 8:31 AM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


You just clamp that around a ground rod and it gives you ohms,
resistance to earth?  Is it really that simple?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 10:01 AM Lewis Bergman
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:

R56 is a standard developed by Motorola for critical
communications sites. Chuck can likely point you to a similiar
standard developed by NEC or some Telco consortium that
defines grounding standards for telco facilities. Half the
standards are usually about human safety and the other half
are about equipment safety.

The bottom line is, if you can get your site to less than 5
Ohms earth resistance to ground you are about as good as you
can hope for. Lower is better but below 5 Ohms the return on
investment diminshes rapidly. I think the lowest I have seen
is 0.5 Ohms on a brand new site. We put a lot of grounding,
enhancemnet material, etc. But it is like good insurance and
it does work. We had an old tower that had poor grounding. We
retrofitted it with a modern system and lowered the number of
strikes from an average of 15 or so a year to 1 in 3 years.

You can use a device like this: Clamp on ground tester

<http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/AEMC/ground-resistance-testers/clamp-on/clamp-on-ground-resistance-tester-6416.htm?ref=gbase&gclid=CjwKCAjwiZnnBRBQEiwAcWKfYi9_sp7BYOU7SUh8oCsy0VRd-Sm9Kx05ShpV-11tT_xAboQ4UAY5GxoClmgQAvD_BwE>
 to
easily measure the resistance of a whole site. You do have to
know where and how to use it. To accurately measure parts of a
grounding system accurately you have to know how it is
designed. Most of the time a zer resistance reading means you
are measuring a loop of copper. I laugh every time I go to a
cell site and they have a ground test pound that is basically
a loop on top of a ground rod. Yaeh, no wonder they passed the
test.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:32 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Google “Air Terminal Lightning” and then click on images.
Or just check out some of these:
https://www.erico.com/category.asp?category=R2438
https://www.jjengineersindia.com/lightning-protection-system.html
https://www.jmvearthing.com/early-streamer-emmission.html
This one has some snake oil type of hype too:
http://www.lps-pacifica.com/Ellips.html
Ever read “Something Wicked This Way Comes”?
*From:* Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 22, 2019 7:16 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Active Lightning Suppressor -
Snake Oil, or Science?
So if this is all snake oil - why do some commercial
towers have some variation of this at the top?
That’s what I’m trying to understand.
An engineer for clear channel told me he’s seen a corona
develop around one of his towers that had a similar item
on it when storms are coming through the area.

On May 22, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Bill Prince
 wrote:


My SO is unusually wary of lightning and lightning
strikes. If there is the slightest hint of lightning or
thunder, she reverts to the air gap method of lightning
protection. If there are no wires connected to a piece of
electronics, then it is most safe.

Doesn't help a lot in our business, but that is what she
does.

bp


On 5/22/2019 11:51 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Are you suggesting that if you power off the equipment
during a lightning strike it won’t take damage? Why
would that be?

    On May 22, 2019, at 2:42 PM, dave 
wrote:


I have been working with this AS3935 franklin lightning
sensor for about 6 months now and learned so much more
about lighting and its projected energies and possible
frequencies its amazing how this little sensor can
detect distance and the amount of energy BEFORE it strikes.

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Active Lightning Suppressor - Snake Oil, or Science?

[dave]

+1


On 5/24/19 9:10 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
No, it isn't that simple. If you clamp it on a ground rod below the 
ground ring attachment it gives you the resistance to ground of that 
particular rod.
You clamp it on the incoming nuetral line from the power company to 
measure the complete site resistance.


On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 8:31 AM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


You just clamp that around a ground rod and it gives you ohms,
resistance to earth?  Is it really that simple?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 10:01 AM Lewis Bergman
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:

R56 is a standard developed by Motorola for critical
communications sites. Chuck can likely point you to a similiar
standard developed by NEC or some Telco consortium that
defines grounding standards for telco facilities. Half the
standards are usually about human safety and the other half
are about equipment safety.

The bottom line is, if you can get your site to less than 5
Ohms earth resistance to ground you are about as good as you
can hope for. Lower is better but below 5 Ohms the return on
investment diminshes rapidly. I think the lowest I have seen
is 0.5 Ohms on a brand new site. We put a lot of grounding,
enhancemnet material, etc. But it is like good insurance and
it does work. We had an old tower that had poor grounding. We
retrofitted it with a modern system and lowered the number of
strikes from an average of 15 or so a year to 1 in 3 years.

You can use a device like this: Clamp on ground tester

<http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/AEMC/ground-resistance-testers/clamp-on/clamp-on-ground-resistance-tester-6416.htm?ref=gbase&gclid=CjwKCAjwiZnnBRBQEiwAcWKfYi9_sp7BYOU7SUh8oCsy0VRd-Sm9Kx05ShpV-11tT_xAboQ4UAY5GxoClmgQAvD_BwE>
 to
easily measure the resistance of a whole site. You do have to
know where and how to use it. To accurately measure parts of a
grounding system accurately you have to know how it is
designed. Most of the time a zer resistance reading means you
are measuring a loop of copper. I laugh every time I go to a
cell site and they have a ground test pound that is basically
a loop on top of a ground rod. Yaeh, no wonder they passed the
test.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:32 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Google “Air Terminal Lightning” and then click on images.
Or just check out some of these:
https://www.erico.com/category.asp?category=R2438
https://www.jjengineersindia.com/lightning-protection-system.html
https://www.jmvearthing.com/early-streamer-emmission.html
This one has some snake oil type of hype too:
http://www.lps-pacifica.com/Ellips.html
Ever read “Something Wicked This Way Comes”?
*From:* Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 22, 2019 7:16 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Active Lightning Suppressor -
Snake Oil, or Science?
So if this is all snake oil - why do some commercial
towers have some variation of this at the top?
That’s what I’m trying to understand.
An engineer for clear channel told me he’s seen a corona
develop around one of his towers that had a similar item
on it when storms are coming through the area.

On May 22, 2019, at 2:56 PM, Bill Prince
 wrote:


My SO is unusually wary of lightning and lightning
strikes. If there is the slightest hint of lightning or
thunder, she reverts to the air gap method of lightning
protection. If there are no wires connected to a piece of
electronics, then it is most safe.

Doesn't help a lot in our business, but that is what she
does.

bp


On 5/22/2019 11:51 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Are you suggesting that if you power off the equipment
during a lightning strike it won’t take damage? Why
would that be?

    On May 22, 2019, at 2:42 PM, dave 
wrote:


I have been working with this AS3935 franklin lightning
sensor for about 6 months now and learned so much more
about lighting and its projected energies and possible
frequencies its amazing how this little sensor can
detect distance and the amount of energy BEFORE it strikes.
So,armed with this ability I am solely working on a
design along with IR sensing to help

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Active Lightning Suppressor - Snake Oil, or Science?

[dave]

 wrote:

My SO is unusually wary of lightning and lightning strikes. If
there is the slightest hint of lightning or thunder, she
reverts to the air gap method of lightning protection. If
there are no wires connected to a piece of electronics, then
it is most safe.

Doesn't help a lot in our business, but that is what she does.

bp



On 5/22/2019 11:51 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Are you suggesting that if you power off the equipment
during a lightning strike it won’t take damage? Why would
that be?


    On May 22, 2019, at 2:42 PM, dave mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:

I have been working with this AS3935 franklin
lightning sensor for about 6 months now and learned so
much more about lighting and its projected energies
and possible frequencies its amazing how this little
sensor can detect distance and the amount of energy
BEFORE it strikes.
So,armed with this ability I am solely working on a
design along with IR sensing to help mitigate damage
to a site during a storm.

I am still working on the timing to be able to shut
down power to the gear outside for a time period at
which if lightning is still present remain off till
storm passes.

End of Run sites are the worst but knock on wood after
a year or 2 of planning and cleaning up the existing
grounds everything seems well.




On 5/22/19 9:23 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

This is from the executive director of the
lightning protection institute.

-Original Message- From: Bud VanSickle
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 7:41 AM
To: 'Chuck McCown'
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] Active Lightning Suppressor -
Snake Oil, or Science?

Snake oil for sure.  You can't stop lightning
strikes because of the volume
of energy and short time period.  If you put one
of these devices on a fully
grounded metallic tower, it would most likely take
a strike to ground.  Of
course, if you ground your metallic tower
properly, it is like a giant
lightning rod, so you are out the money for this
"topper".  By the way, on
tall towers, lightning doesn't necessarily strike
the top anyway - it is
almost never straight vertical and may be at a 45
degree angle to the side.
But let me ask you this - if all the pine needles
in a forest can release
ions (which they can and do) or all the blades of
grass on the prairie, why
does lightning still strike there?
Bud VanSickle

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown [mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 7:51 AM
To: b...@lightning.org <mailto:b...@lightning.org>
Subject: Fw: [AFMUG] Active Lightning Suppressor -
Snake Oil, or Science?

I think snake oil.  You?

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Active Lightning Suppressor - Snake Oil, or Science?

[dave]

I have been working with this AS3935 franklin lightning sensor for about 
6 months now and learned so much more about lighting and its projected 
energies and possible frequencies its amazing how this little sensor can 
detect distance and the amount of energy BEFORE it strikes.
So,armed with this ability I am solely working on a design along with IR 
sensing to help mitigate damage to a site during a storm.


I am still working on the timing to be able to shut down power to the 
gear outside for a time period at which if lightning is still present 
remain off till storm passes.


End of Run sites are the worst but knock on wood after a year or 2 of 
planning and cleaning up the existing grounds everything seems well.




On 5/22/19 9:23 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
This is from the executive director of the lightning protection 
institute.


-Original Message- From: Bud VanSickle
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 7:41 AM
To: 'Chuck McCown'
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] Active Lightning Suppressor - Snake Oil, or Science?

Snake oil for sure.  You can't stop lightning strikes because of the 
volume
of energy and short time period.  If you put one of these devices on a 
fully
grounded metallic tower, it would most likely take a strike to 
ground.  Of

course, if you ground your metallic tower properly, it is like a giant
lightning rod, so you are out the money for this "topper".  By the 
way, on

tall towers, lightning doesn't necessarily strike the top anyway - it is
almost never straight vertical and may be at a 45 degree angle to the 
side.

But let me ask you this - if all the pine needles in a forest can release
ions (which they can and do) or all the blades of grass on the 
prairie, why

does lightning still strike there?
Bud VanSickle

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown [mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 7:51 AM
To: b...@lightning.org
Subject: Fw: [AFMUG] Active Lightning Suppressor - Snake Oil, or Science?

I think snake oil.  You?




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Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 "support"

[dave]

Anything but belkin is allowed on our net for more than just that reason.
Belkin has their nose in the air .. Id almost bet not many remember how 
their domain collapsed and shutdown every router
connected for a few days and the workaround was to re add the domain at 
the isp for the heartbeat.


We moved away from belkin since that day.



On 5/20/19 4:16 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

I've seen terrible design decisions but this is a new level of ridiculous.

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Re: [AFMUG] autocorrect

[dave]

WOW! really

On 5/20/19 7:23 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Received this inquiry via the contact form on our mobile website:

“I’d like to find out if this actress would be in your coverage area”




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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik RADIUS

[dave]

Sometimes I have to talk things out with my self but its always good to 
bounce it off someone else though :)


On 5/16/19 6:23 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Answered my own question:
Mikrotik-Group is the attribute.  The docs make reference to hotspot 
profiles, but also seems to work for PPPoE profiles.  The user will 
get whatever settings are in the default profile for that PPPoE server 
AND then also get settings from the profile specified in the 
"Mikrotik-Group" attribute. Very useful.  Glad we had this talk.




On 5/16/2019 6:22 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Can one of the Mikrotik RADIUS attributes assign a PPPoE Profile?






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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium

[dave]

Spread your wings and fly awy:)


On 5/17/19 1:56 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


That size antenna on a mountain top and a passive repeater? Sheesh.


bp


On 5/17/2019 11:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

4.6 Meter antennas.  15’  Wow.  48.3 dBi
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, May 17, 2019 12:18 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium
Thanks
Looks like Frontier did not update their license ...
11 Ghz  Still shows Alcate MDR-8611-135 radio.
16 km on one side 1 km on the other side of the billboard.
That seems to be the requirement for billboards, very short leg on 
one side.

*From:* Cassidy B. Larson
*Sent:* Friday, May 17, 2019 12:14 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium
Maybe this one?
https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/licensePathsSum.jsp?pageNumToReturn=1&licKey=963392
Contact is Frontier..


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On May 17, 2019, at 12:03 PM,   wrote:
Cambium is getting torn up at a Utah Public Service Commission 
hearing this morning.
Frontier installed a pair of Cambium something between Bald Mesa and 
Castle Valley Utah in December to change out a TDM radio.

Bad fading on Cambium.
A resort ranch filed a complaint and I am listening to he hearing 
this morning.  Frontier is complaining that they got no support from 
Cambium.  The radios would work for 3 or 4 days and then troubles 
would come again over and over. Frontier changed out the Cambium 
radio in March.
They removed Cambium and said they have removed them as a vendor 
company wide.
They changed to Aviat. Supposedly the new radios fixed everything.  
Typing this as I am listening to the hearing.
The ranch still had some problems after changing to Aviat.  Frontier 
says that the the new radios fixed everything.  The new radio has 
not had any drop outs.
This is a two hop system.  They are changing out cambium on the 
second leg with Aviat soon.  Passive repeater system on the second 
leg. Fog causes fading.  Drops modulation down to low QAM levels.  
Frontier claims the second Aviat radio will make this network 
flawless.  When asked what that means Frontier answered 99.99%
Frontier is in process to take action against Cambium.  CAF money 
was used to buy the Cambium radios.

Second leg is scheduled for commissioning next week.
Someone should take a look at this license and tell me the details 
on that passive repeater side.  I am curious as to the leg 
distances. Too lazy to look it up.  Frontier Telephone Company or 
whatever they are called now.  Moab to Bald Mesa. Bald Mesa to 
Castle Valley.  Passive on the second leg.    I am betting these are 
6 GHz links with huge antennas.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium

[dave]

yeah thats huge!
Why not do a spatial diversity to compensate for such a large dish for 
distance?
I did a 71 mile shot with cambium sub 6Ghz using 4x 4' andrew dishes at 
each end with very stable shots.
Of course real estate would be a factor. Diversity requires some spacing 
between dishes.
I also converted an old microwave 12' dish for a tv station to spatial 
diversity and been in operation for 8yrs.




On 5/17/19 1:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

4.6 Meter antennas.  15’  Wow.  48.3 dBi
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Friday, May 17, 2019 12:18 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium
Thanks
Looks like Frontier did not update their license ...
11 Ghz  Still shows Alcate MDR-8611-135 radio.
16 km on one side 1 km on the other side of the billboard.
That seems to be the requirement for billboards, very short leg on one 
side.

*From:* Cassidy B. Larson
*Sent:* Friday, May 17, 2019 12:14 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium
Maybe this one?
https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/licensePathsSum.jsp?pageNumToReturn=1&licKey=963392
Contact is Frontier..


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On May 17, 2019, at 12:03 PM,   wrote:
Cambium is getting torn up at a Utah Public Service Commission 
hearing this morning.
Frontier installed a pair of Cambium something between Bald Mesa and 
Castle Valley Utah in December to change out a TDM radio.

Bad fading on Cambium.
A resort ranch filed a complaint and I am listening to he hearing 
this morning.  Frontier is complaining that they got no support from 
Cambium.  The radios would work for 3 or 4 days and then troubles 
would come again over and over.  Frontier changed out the Cambium 
radio in March.
They removed Cambium and said they have removed them as a vendor 
company wide.
They changed to Aviat.  Supposedly the new radios fixed everything. 
Typing this as I am listening to the hearing.
The ranch still had some problems after changing to Aviat.  Frontier 
says that the the new radios fixed everything.  The new radio has not 
had any drop outs.
This is a two hop system.  They are changing out cambium on the 
second leg with Aviat soon.  Passive repeater system on the second 
leg.  Fog causes fading.  Drops modulation down to low QAM levels.  
Frontier claims the second Aviat radio will make this network 
flawless.  When asked what that means Frontier answered 99.99%
Frontier is in process to take action against Cambium.  CAF money was 
used to buy the Cambium radios.

Second leg is scheduled for commissioning next week.
Someone should take a look at this license and tell me the details on 
that passive repeater side.  I am curious as to the leg distances.  
Too lazy to look it up.  Frontier Telephone Company or whatever they 
are called now.  Moab to Bald Mesa.  Bald Mesa to Castle Valley.  
Passive on the second leg.    I am betting these are 6 GHz links with 
huge antennas.

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Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C SFP

[dave]

The more complex the better due to all necessary evils that are needed 
from end to end LOL



On 5/14/19 8:44 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Yes over complicated.  Old units, adding second data connection over fiber.  
Plan is to LAG Data 1 and 2 to increase throughput to over 1 Gig.

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 3:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C SFP

I always thought they were overly complicated.
If it's a new unit, tech support will help you set it up.  You'll probably 
never have to look at it again so IMO just let them take care of it.

-Adam


On 5/14/2019 5:42 PM, Trey Scarborough wrote:

Yes you will have to provision a service on them for it to pass traffic.

On 5/14/2019 1:46 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Hi Caleb

Yes, done that.  Admin status is up.  Operational status is Down

What else do I need?  Ethernet Services?  Service Points?

Adam

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 10:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C SFP

Go to the Interface Manager and turn on/off GE ports that you want to
use.
1 is the copper port, 2 is the first sfp cage, 3 is the sfp cage that
may or may not be used for MIMO depending on HW model so probably
stick with port 2.  It's under the System tab or something on top of
the tree, don't have one handy to look.

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:49 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

I am trying to get a fiber SFP working in my IP-20C.  I am licensed
for

two GbE ports.   I must be missing something.


Can anyone list the steps to get this working?



Thanks



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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

[dave]

What about 1G SM/MM SFP?

I get so fed up with mikrotik modules that have temp,speed or just plain 
stop working





On 5/9/19 2:01 PM, Richard Strittmatter wrote:


https://www.fs.com/products/11591.html

We use a bunch of these.. Dell Coded, Intel coded, generic.. doesn’t 
seem to matter, they all work fine for us.


We’ve also used their bidi, and cwdm ones with no issues.

Richard

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of 
*SmarterBroadband

*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 1:36 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

Which one?

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard 
Strittmatter

*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 10:01 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

Fs.com

*From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of 
*SmarterBroadband

*Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 11:58 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >

*Subject:* [AFMUG] Mikrotik Fiber SFP+

Hi

We are using CCR 1036-8G-2S+, what Single Mode LR Fiber 10G SFP+ 
compatible modules are you using successfully?


Thanks

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Re: [AFMUG] OT tis the season

[dave]

Nuthin like the smell of avon in the morning LOL!


On 5/8/19 8:58 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Avon skin so soft. No idea if they still sell it but when I was in the 
USMC it repelled everything from jungles, swamps, and dessert.


On Wed, May 8, 2019, 7:32 PM Chuck McCown > wrote:


Every year, the biting midge flies come out. Miserable to be
outside my shop during certain hours of the day.  I got some
mosquito nets that are to be worn over the hat.  The bugs get
through.
Nothing we have tried seems to work.  DEET seems to attract them.
We have had a wet spring and there are wetlands next to my shop. 
Perfect breeding grounds.
Anyone have suggestions other than tyvec full hazmat suit?
I pine for a bag of DDT wetable powder.
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Re: [AFMUG] Mean Well NDR 120-24 & NDR 120-48 for powering Packetflux Rack Injector?

[dave]

I do the same unless there is a larger load on 24vdc.


On 5/1/19 12:01 PM, Joe Novak wrote:
For you guys that are utilizing these, do you normally do a 48V and a 
24V volt power supply for mixed sites? Or do you do what I think I saw 
Ken mentioned before - 48 to 24V converter for the few devices that 
may require 24v?


On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 10:21 AM Sam Lambie > wrote:


I have been using both of those same models with PF gear for a
long time. never had an issue with them.

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 2:51 PM Brandon Yuchasz
mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net>> wrote:

Last night I replaced yet another Amazon special 29.5V power
supply that was feeding out packetflux equipment. These are
defiantly a weak link and something I need to pull out of the
field and replace.

I spent some time today digging into the MeanWell product line
and came up with two options to power our original Packetflux
sites along with the ones now running the rack injectors.

I need but 28V DC and 48V DC at sites feed from 120VAC

I am considering going with the Mean Well NDR 120-24 and Mean
Well NDR 120-48 units. Does anyone have experience with these
good or bad? Just looking for something that more stable and
reliable at this point.

Thanks,

Brandon

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Re: [AFMUG] Mean Well NDR 120-24 & NDR 120-48 for powering Packetflux Rack Injector?

[dave]

What are you doing for transient surge protection on the input and 
output side??



On 4/9/19 3:50 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:


Last night I replaced yet another Amazon special 29.5V power supply 
that was feeding out packetflux equipment. These are defiantly a weak 
link and something I need to pull out of the field and replace.


I spent some time today digging into the MeanWell product line and 
came up with two options to power our original Packetflux sites along 
with the ones now running the rack injectors.


I need but 28V DC and 48V DC at sites feed from 120VAC

I am considering going with the Mean Well NDR 120-24 and Mean Well NDR 
120-48 units. Does anyone have experience with these good or bad? Just 
looking for something that more stable and reliable at this point.


Thanks,

Brandon




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Re: [AFMUG] micropop/small cell customer agreements

[dave]

Why not have a small lease on property with telephone pole and screw 
free. It still free but there is an exchange of paper.
Also, as new products change the landscape and customer with lease wants 
to upgrade then sure... tack on the extra mmrc and now

he pays you to be there :)

My customers would have all got satellite within a 4 day period LOL :)


On 4/29/19 4:06 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


Never had a repeater site burn down.   Many moves, new people always 
want free internet.


*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *dave
*Sent:* Monday, April 29, 2019 1:23 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] micropop/small cell customer agreements

How does that work if they move out or the house burns down :)


On 4/26/19 4:59 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Sent.

-Original Message-

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Graham McIntire

Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:18 AM

To:af@af.afmug.com  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>

Subject: [AFMUG] micropop/small cell customer agreements

Does anyone have an example of an agreement/contract you have with customers

that host micropops on their houses? Something along the lines of like

"please don't unplug our stuff."

Graham McIntire

Verona Networks

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Re: [AFMUG] micropop/small cell customer agreements

[dave]

How does that work if they move out or the house burns down :)


On 4/26/19 4:59 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Sent.

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Graham McIntire
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:18 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] micropop/small cell customer agreements

Does anyone have an example of an agreement/contract you have with customers
that host micropops on their houses? Something along the lines of like
"please don't unplug our stuff."

Graham McIntire
Verona Networks

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Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

[dave]

Yeah, The Ratnest I can do with out.. I have seen enough of those. Too 
many cool things to manage cable even at a marginal level.




On 4/24/19 1:21 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Especially for a bank, I would want hot standby hardware/blades and 
everything on a VM with raid bazillion etc with off site storage 
mirrored etc.
I am imagining a room with a bunch of old desktop towers on a shelf, 
nothing matching and a horrible ratsnest of cables.

*From:* dave
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2019 12:11 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch
Even Virtual Box
I can do most anything in linux

I do prefer EXSi and vmware for production hosts though.


On 4/24/19 12:54 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

VMware.
Windows Virtual PC
Hyper V
So many ways to simplify their lives.
Or AWS and remove all the hardware.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:46 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch
Windows
Sent from my smartphone
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From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Kvm switch
Date: Wed, Apr 24, 2019 12:38 PM
Are they all windows or linux?  There is a very obvious solution.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:19 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Kvm switch
Have a location with about 8 different devices.  Most are now usb 
mouse / keyboard

What's best kvm type switch now?
Mine at home is all ps/2
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Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch

[dave]

Even Virtual Box
I can do most anything in linux

I do prefer EXSi and vmware for production hosts though.


On 4/24/19 12:54 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

VMware.
Windows Virtual PC
Hyper V
So many ways to simplify their lives.
Or AWS and remove all the hardware.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:46 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Kvm switch
Windows
Sent from my smartphone
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From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Kvm switch
Date: Wed, Apr 24, 2019 12:38 PM
Are they all windows or linux?  There is a very obvious solution.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:19 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Kvm switch
Have a location with about 8 different devices.  Most are now usb 
mouse / keyboard

What's best kvm type switch now?
Mine at home is all ps/2
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Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: CAT5. FM. And Rain

[dave]

Matt,
 I have that T-shirt For sure.. I was on a FM tower that was only 5kw 
combined over one 5/8 coax for years.

Started with FSK then Cambium gear.
 The things I noticed worse was the type of cable used. The longest 
time we had used AL shielded type cable and eventually
relocated our switching near the base of the cluster which helped for a 
while but after some time the AL shielding evaporated and
that type of cabling was barely good enough to get 10baseT out of it and 
still had CRCs
We eventually moved to Superior Essex for everything on the tower and 
used clips,hangers and grommets to get it off the tower leg.

Let the copper shields float on the cables and never looked back.
We have since moved completely off the tower last year but still didnt 
have any issues at that time.


What I did notice is that when we did move our switching and POE closer 
to the cluster inside a nema enclosure it cleared a bunch of issues on 
the cable for a long time.


Dave


On 4/20/19 10:06 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
What's also interesting is none of the stuff in the shack has 
negotiating issues -- so it doesn't seem to be the switch as a whole 
getting swamped, but rather the CAT5 getting swamped going up the tower.


On 4/20/19 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
So moisture + rf = Ethernet interference.  Just as originally stated. 
  No standing waves.
Is your cat5 in liquidtight?  Have you played with grounding & 
ungrounding the shields?  How about taking a garden sprayer and 
selectively wetting things?


Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

*From:* Matt Hoppes <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>

*Date:* April 20, 2019 at 7:52:12 AM MDT
*To:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
*Subject:* *Re: [AFMUG] CAT5. FM. And Rain*

Yes. Problem goes away.

On Apr 20, 2019, at 09:51, Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


Have you killed the ref when you are having the problem?  Might not 
be ref related.


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2019, at 7:11 PM, Matt Hoppes 
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:


19watts


On 4/19/19 8:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
What is the reflected power when you are having problems?
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 19, 2019, at 6:41 PM, Matt Hoppes 
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:


My thoughts too. But the reflected power right now is only 
19watts out of 9,000.


On Apr 19, 2019, at 20:14, Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


My guess is that the FM station has a problem with the antenna 
or transmission line.  Moisture throws off impedance somewhere 
and you have a strong standing wave on the transmission line. 
 Probably a bad connector.


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2019, at 5:52 PM, Matt Hoppes 
<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:


Looking to the wisdom of the AF group on this.

I have some equipment on an FM tower.  It’s a 9kw station 
around 150ft. We are at 250ft with two sectors and a backhaul. 
 Netonix switch in shelter.


Nothing else on the tower.

Normally all is fine.   When it rains or is very moist out 
(heavy heavy fog) we start having major Ethernet negotiation 
issues.   The ports will go from 1Gig to 10F sometimes. 
Sometimes drop completely.


I’ve got ferrite beads wrapped about 5 times top and bottom.

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odd grounding issue. But not sure how to track it down or 
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Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

[dave]

NA. NAna nana fingers in my ears LOL


On 4/18/19 9:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

PayPal
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, April 18, 2019 8:53 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

Reminds me of Intel deciding not to sell 5G chips for smartphones and 
their stock goes up, apparently investors feel they dodged a bullet.


Or Google Fiber pretty much getting out of fiber.

The question “how will this ever be profitable” has a way of clearing 
your thoughts.  Especially when you’re trying to raise money from 
investors.


I assumed SpaceX was profitable and the Internet satellite thing was a 
Musk hobby project funded from the SpaceX profits, but this article 
implies it was the other way around.  Remind me, which of Musk’s 
businesses actually makes a profit?


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Thursday, April 18, 2019 9:43 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

Visible antennas

Cost per mbps

Latency

I will keep my head in the sand.

*From:*dave

*Sent:*Thursday, April 18, 2019 8:15 AM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

LOL... Yep..


On 4/18/19 9:05 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Well, well, well. Reality may be rearing its ugly head...


https://seekingalpha.com/article/4254917-spacex-backtracking-satellite-internet-puts-future-profits-doubt



bp


On 4/4/2019 5:21 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Sounds like a job for Space Force.

Actually, I'm a little confused.  Will these LEO sats be 5G? 
What good are
they if they aren't 5G?  How are we going to get remote
surgery and
self-driving vehicles without 5G?

I wish these big corporations would make up their minds, do I
need a small
cell 1000 feet away because , or do I need thousands
of satellites
whizzing overhead 50 miles up?  Seems like polar opposites,
but apparently
we gotta have 'em.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Robert
Andrews
Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 7:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

And one more Indian anti-sat test to turn it all into chaff...

On 04/04/2019 04:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

So now in addition to Elon and his thousands of
satellites, and OneWeb
with their thousands of satellites, we will now add Bezos
and another
few thousand satellites:


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amazon-com-broadband/amazon-plans-t


o-launch-over-3000-satellites-to-offer-broadband-internet-idUSKCN1RG1Y

W

bp


On 3/20/2019 10:30 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Oh, no, Elon will be able to market it to all Tesla
owners!  And have
kiosks in all the Tesla stores! We're doomed!

So I guess what I'm saying is technology doesn't sell,
marketing
sells, and it all depends on who they partner with to
actually sell
service to end customers.  Also of course they are not
the only
company doing this.  OneWeb for example.  SpaceX has
the advantage of
having their own launch service and being able to
piggyback on other
payloads.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf
Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 20, 2019 12:09 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Real threat

Or is the sky falling?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/7zqm2c/starlink_faq/


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Re: [AFMUG] 16G

[dave]

WOW!... Mine must be farther into the cosmos because I got some that 
were 128G.



On 4/12/19 3:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Wow, for only $4 each, I got these Lexar sticks that are way better 
than 5G.  Must be from the future.





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Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

[dave]

LOL... Yep..

On 4/18/19 9:05 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Well, well, well. Reality may be rearing its ugly head...

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4254917-spacex-backtracking-satellite-internet-puts-future-profits-doubt 




bp


On 4/4/2019 5:21 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Sounds like a job for Space Force.

Actually, I'm a little confused.  Will these LEO sats be 5G? What 
good are

they if they aren't 5G?  How are we going to get remote surgery and
self-driving vehicles without 5G?

I wish these big corporations would make up their minds, do I need a 
small
cell 1000 feet away because , or do I need thousands of 
satellites
whizzing overhead 50 miles up?  Seems like polar opposites, but 
apparently

we gotta have 'em.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 7:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real threat

And one more Indian anti-sat test to turn it all into chaff...

On 04/04/2019 04:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

So now in addition to Elon and his thousands of satellites, and OneWeb
with their thousands of satellites, we will now add Bezos and another
few thousand satellites:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amazon-com-broadband/amazon-plans-t
o-launch-over-3000-satellites-to-offer-broadband-internet-idUSKCN1RG1Y
W

bp


On 3/20/2019 10:30 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Oh, no, Elon will be able to market it to all Tesla owners!  And have
kiosks in all the Tesla stores! We're doomed!

So I guess what I'm saying is technology doesn't sell, marketing
sells, and it all depends on who they partner with to actually sell
service to end customers.  Also of course they are not the only
company doing this.  OneWeb for example.  SpaceX has the advantage of
having their own launch service and being able to piggyback on other
payloads.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 20, 2019 12:09 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Real threat

Or is the sky falling?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/7zqm2c/starlink_faq/





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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a way to see how many of my subs are limited to 20 mbps

[dave]

Yes, I can get you a script to do this..
I use the Mib tree to locate the snmp OID I need and use Perl on linux 
server to pull down what I need.


PM me and Ill send the script.



On 4/18/19 7:35 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
I would like to do an audit of all of my subscribers on a specific 
access point to see how many of them are limited to the 20 megabit 
license cap. Does anyone know of SNMP can do that? And if so what is 
the mib? Or is there a better way to do it?





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Re: [AFMUG] FRS or GMRS for covering a mountain

[dave]

10-4 on that !
Our City/County AWIN project is proof of that!



On 4/12/19 5:00 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
That request is loaded with traps. Even expensive propagation 
software, or ones like the good free ones, can't gaurantee 100 percent 
accuracy. The typical setting is 90 percent confidence for the three 
major variables. I charge $500 for a propagation study. For obvious 
reasons, if you know me, I wouldn't recommend either of those two but 
Motorola. Kenwood is ok though. The receivers on Hytera aren't great. 
I guess it just depends on how important it is.




On Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 2:17 PM Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:


A GMRS repeater somewhere on a high point and Tytera or Kenwood
portables.

> On Apr 12, 2019, at 15:12, Timothy Steele
mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> We have a client that wants 100% of his mountain covered for
communication
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Re: [AFMUG] SFP Switch recomendation

[dave]

So Far I have liked my 24port POE one and once I updated firmware to 
latest the vlan config was very simple.
I have multiple VLans and also port-based or private vlans as well. The 
POS guys love me LOL




On 4/10/19 9:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Has anyone tried Ubiquiti EdgeSwitch?  I've just received a 16 port 
onehaven't opened the box yet.


It would meet Steve's depth requirement.  Price was right.  I just 
wonder if I'm going to be disappointed when I get into it.



On 4/8/2019 1:21 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
We primarily use the HP Procurve J9803A (I think theyre called Office 
Connect or something now) With LACP for bonding our 2+0 SAF links. We 
have a site going in that will have three bonded links so I need at 
least 6 SFP. The new name of these also changed the corm factor, 
theyre deeper and wont fit in some of our enclosures.


We dont do much with our switches beyond VLAN and LACP.

Whats a comparable option with the less then 10 inch depth but still 
rackmount that wont take issue with HP LACP on the other side of the 
link if that matters? Ive heard good/bad on the mikrotik switches. 
These currently only need up to 2gbps aggregate, but that will 
probably change over time. Im not opposed to full SFP, but on our CCR 
we have a coup SFP gigabit copper that are flaky, I dont know if 
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[AFMUG] OT:TESTing

[dave]

testing my new cloud based email host


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[AFMUG] OT:dont mind me

[Dave]

Im just checking new cloud mail for our domain

Old mail server died so I killed it and started over for the better :)



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Re: [AFMUG] Wanting to hang 4 Medusas

[dave]

No worries, Its  all good for the diet.


On 3/20/19 10:07 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Thanks for the plug.
*From:* dave
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 20, 2019 9:02 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wanting to hang 4 Medusas
These were the 800-M-TOW-3P-48 mounts.
We really like them for a standard of deployment for what we do.
Since standards HAVE to change from time to time this is all I use on 
a tower, simplest reason is
We dont want to have to go back and exchange a 3' or a single to 
expand to a similar but larger mast.

I have pics with them using EPMP2000 with smart antennas also.



On 3/20/19 9:49 AM, Tyson Burris wrote:


Which mount was this Dave?

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Sam,
Here is what I did with chucks mounts and our Medusas.

We were able to stack a 5Ghz and a 3.65 medusa on these mounts.


On 3/18/19 2:17 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:

I have a 100' tower that I think is a ROHN 45 supported by guy
wires. I am wanting to hang 4 AP's in a NEWS (North, East, West,
South) configuration. What hardware is out there to make a 3
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Re: [AFMUG] OT video attachment

[dave]

I have a full spool like that but it only has a single run of 2" HDPFE 
black Pipe.



On 3/20/19 8:38 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
This is a route for UDOT.  They get three and I get credit to use 
their stuff other places.


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 20, 2019, at 6:56 AM, dave <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:



Nice to dig into soft soil.. Why 4 tubes?



On 3/19/19 5:50 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Surprising since I don’t think PDFs will.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 19, 2019, at 4:33 PM, Jason McKemie 
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:



It made it here!

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 5:14 PM Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


Probably will not make it through...

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Re: [AFMUG] Windstream

[dave]

Yes, we saw that and I still transport from them, Scary to think if it 
breaks.

I hope someone will purchase it soon to fill the need.


On 3/19/19 9:58 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


We got the bankruptcy mailing to creditors and I know everyone is 
acting like nothing to see here, move along, telecom bankruptcies 
don’t mean anything.  But now we get notified by our bank that a 
Windstream check bounced. (Wholesale connection from when they bought 
Business Only Broadband.)


I hate bounced checks, in addition to not getting paid, we have to pay 
a bank fee.


We don’t buy any services from Windstream (other than a legacy toll 
free number from years ago when they bought Paetec/McLeod), but they 
seem so screwed up, I wonder if people should think twice before using 
them for bandwidth or transport.





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Re: [AFMUG] Wanting to hang 4 Medusas

[dave]

These were the 800-M-TOW-3P-48 mounts.
We really like them for a standard of deployment for what we do.
Since standards HAVE to change from time to time this is all I use on a 
tower, simplest reason is
We dont want to have to go back and exchange a 3' or a single to expand 
to a similar but larger mast.

I have pics with them using EPMP2000 with smart antennas also.



On 3/20/19 9:49 AM, Tyson Burris wrote:


Which mount was this Dave?

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Sam,
 Here is what I did with chucks mounts and our Medusas.

We were able to stack a 5Ghz and a 3.65 medusa on these mounts.


On 3/18/19 2:17 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:

I have a 100' tower that I think is a ROHN 45 supported by guy
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South) configuration. What hardware is out there to make a 3 sided
tower work to hang 4 AP's?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT video attachment

[dave]

Nice to dig into soft soil.. Why 4 tubes?


On 3/19/19 5:50 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Surprising since I don’t think PDFs will.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 19, 2019, at 4:33 PM, Jason McKemie 
> wrote:



It made it here!

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 5:14 PM Chuck McCown > wrote:


Probably will not make it through...

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Re: [AFMUG] Wanting to hang 4 Medusas

[dave]

We used Chucks 4' 3 pipe mounts
We removed center pipe for the spacing and used some heavy u-strut for 
making a stabe arm



On 3/18/19 2:17 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:
I have a 100' tower that I think is a ROHN 45 supported by guy wires. 
I am wanting to hang 4 AP's in a NEWS (North, East, West, South) 
configuration. What hardware is out there to make a 3 sided tower work 
to hang 4 AP's?


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Re: [AFMUG] Wifi in the Park

[dave]

Ryan,
 If you have a moment to hit me off list about a short discussion on 
how to set the splash up? I am setting up my 4th system
like this but currently just do the basic setup for access. I have a 
historic hotel downtown I would like to do this for their dining

guest.
thank you
dave


On 3/13/19 1:23 PM, Ryan Hill wrote:
Great Question and we’ve thought about the same thing.  We’ve recently 
been doing a hybrid of this at local festivals, and concerts where we 
trade advertising for Wifi connectivity.  Our most recent one we found 
that in the e500 and were able to setup a “splash” page where the 
customer would approve our terms and conditions followed by landing on 
our webpage.  I believe there was also bandwidth settings, and the 
capability to block pages if I recall.  I can get you more info if 
you’d like.




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(419)837-5015 Ext 1047
www.amplex.net <http://www.amplex.net>






On Mar 13, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Ben Royer <mailto:operati...@royell.net>> wrote:


Hey all,
So here’s an open question for conversation starting.  What does 
everyone do for WIFI in a public area?  Specifically, I’m looking at 
best practice for access.  I’m going to start deploying cnPilot AP’s 
at some of our small community baseball fields.  Some of these 
communities have little to no cell service, and when you’re at the 
ball park and want to share a video of your child playing, or tell 
family where you are, or even in emergencies, you need connectivity.  
So I’m looking at leveraging this need with opportunity for our 
company and providing free service, but use it for marketing, with 
the potential to upsell ‘Advanced Services’.  IE; could offer 
streaming cameras, higher capacity, etc. for a cost.  One local park 
is stating they will limit connectivity by just unplugging the 
equipment when they are not there, however I find this to be some 
what archaic in nature.  Thus, my long winded question, what’s the 
best practice for allowing limited access on this network, that 
prevents users from sitting and streaming movies in the parking lot, 
during weeknights, but allows attendees to utilize the service as 
preferred.  I’m not asking for the how, I’m well versed in the 
capabilities of the equipment, but more asking the which, what’s the 
group typically lean towards using over the other, vouchers vs. open, 
time limits, bandwidth limits, and so on?

Thank you,
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Re: [AFMUG] Private Cloud server

[dave]

We use Owncloud and love it.. Tried Nextcloud but I did not like the 
flow in the Gui.



On 3/12/19 10:35 AM, Jesse Dupont wrote:
If you want to do your own hardware, OwnCloud is a scalable, 
multi-tenant, open source solution for cloud storage.


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On Mar 12, 2019, at 9:30 AM, Sean Heskett > wrote:


QNAP has a lot of easy appliances for stuff like this.  You can even 
scatter them around your towers and have them sync to each other.


-Sean


On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 8:26 AM Paul McCall > wrote:


We have a client that wants us to create / host a multiple 4TB
 cloud server for them.  I know there are some “home type
solutions” available but thought there might be a great
commercial version, maybe that would accommodate multiple logins,
customers?

Suggestions?

Paul

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[dave]

My Boss,

Just got his Tesla and its impressive. I got to ride in it when he first 
got it that day and I was floored at the performance it has.


Luckily we have 3 phase here so getting to hook up a super charger for 
it should be interesting.



On 3/8/19 12:16 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Friday, March 8, 
2019 11:03 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric 
car

Tesla 3

Sorry, cheap shot !

On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is 
rumored to be out in June.

Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
Any opinions?





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Re: [AFMUG] Committed to my field

[dave]

Yeah..

bout that...

On 3/6/19 9:40 AM, Ben Royer wrote:

And since it’s already a thing on social media which is funny to me...
It's actually me. And I've been around since the early days of Canopy, 
which wasn't ditched, Cambium is the child of Motorola, and I know 
many of the folks that work there. I've been a WISP for 20 years and 
growing with over 6,500 thanks to this company. Watch this video for 
some more clarity.https://youtu.be/FhBejAFgf5o 
The 
tattoo stands for more than just Cambium, it just so happens 
Cambium/Motorola have been a huge part of my life. No different then a 
lot of folks getting a car, a superhero logo, or anything else that 
changes over the years, the point is at that point in their life that 
image meant something. To each their own.


That was my response to someone trolling the idea that this is 
equivalent to getting your girls name tattooed. Commitment scares some.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net
*From:* Ben Royer 
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 06, 2019 9:07 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Committed to my field
So I added some art, and it may say a thing or two about my commitment 
to the field.

https://youtu.be/FhBejAFgf5o
https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog/both-sides-of-customer-commitment/ 


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Re: [AFMUG] Using the 5G in naming DBA etc

[dave]

Im leaning towards the whole XG thingy


On 3/7/19 7:01 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Why 5G?   The president wants 6G, you should do that.   Or maybe 9G, 
that sounds better.


Mark

On Mar 6, 2019, at 8:50 PM, Sterling Jacobson > wrote:


So has anyone here using the term 5G in their company name or marketing?
Would that be bad to do? Or would it be riding the ‘wave’ of 
marketing about to flood the cell phone market?
Any drawbacks to using it now for marketing or part of a company name 
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber - Rural Electric Co-Ops

[dave]

It happens :)

We have a local cableco and of course the telcos. We also have 2 fiber 
carriers that so happen to pass right in front of our office and one 
made us a hub in their fiber ring so we able to get exchange in dallas 
if needed.


The competitor side of things is that our own Chamber and the small 
businesses pushing for bigger better connections seems to think that 10G 
fiber to a select few will fix everything. So, now we have an outside 
plant moving in to the area making it all the hype but they are having 
their own troubles at their own home base to where they can sustain most 
of their base. So I am very excited to see this hit the ground running 
in our very demanding little city LOL.


The biggest issue that our chamber doesnt get is if we had more 
industrial and jobs that the Superior Fiber would follow.



On 3/1/19 12:06 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Funny, iProvo got an offer from me too.  I think I offered $4M and 
they thought it was worth $24M or some such thing.  They sold it to 
Google for something like $4.


-Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 11:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber - Rural Electric Co-Ops

I've seen a few instances of that over the years.
I know and helped train a few that worked it out right and are happy 
with it.


Here is what I've seen go bad in the past with this model (just for 
fun because I like to rant about it):


The reasoning is something like, "Hey, we are budgeting for fiber for 
utility monitoring and cameras or whatever, so let's be an ISP and 
make more money off the infrastructure investment!"


And then the utility people create some math that doesn't work or 
bring in some "professional" to do the math and it still doesn't work.


They bond everyone in the city to pay for it according to the false 
math and then a year or two later realize they could only afford to 
build out a portion of the city. And that the utility people have no 
clue how to build and/or run a MAN let alone a full-fledged customer 
facing ISP.


Then citizens wake up and realize they aren't getting what they bonded 
for, get super angry and start firing people that don't deserve to get 
fired.
The employees were just excited, sold a pile of lies and bad math, and 
not trained to handle their jobs that become three times more hours a 
week.


One local case was Provo City electrical/utility division installed a 
lot of fiber within the city and then tried a hybrid model of having 
other companies do the front facing customer ISP. As we all know, that 
didn't work for them and was purchased by Google. Who then spent about 
3-10x what most of us would spend to do the same plant work, lol!


I sat in several meetings with employees at Provo City when it was in 
development and as an ISP partner in their initial stages.
It was a three ring circus I tell you. I purchased the ISP for other 
reasons, but quickly divested myself of anything to do with Provo and 
their failing network at the time. Best thing I could have done it was 
a losing prospect.


Now days things can be done much cheaper and smarter and tools and 
ONT/equipment are much better and easier to work with.
But plant work is still expensive and hiring it out is still way 
expensive, so having realistic math and models is key and sort of hard 
to come by.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 9:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber - Rural Electric Co-Ops

Didn't someone here, a few days ago, mention that some Electric Co-Ops 
had previously built FTTH and then sold it off/shut it down because it 
ended up being more than they wanted to be involved in?  Or something 
along those lines?


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Re: [AFMUG] aviat question

[dave]

Ah, yeah new adapter possibly ?


On 2/27/19 8:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Trying to reverse engineer what someone paid for a system.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 27, 2019, at 6:41 AM, dave <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:



Why Aviat?

Their price point is considerable as compared to Cambium and still 
have the features and performance you want.



On 2/26/19 5:01 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I was pretty sure that was the case.  Thanks
*From:* Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2019 3:55 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] aviat question
Exalt wireless is gone, but Star Microwave still did some support 
for them, and has some gear for sale.

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Re: [AFMUG] aviat question

[dave]

Why Aviat?

Their price point is considerable as compared to Cambium and still have 
the features and performance you want.



On 2/26/19 5:01 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I was pretty sure that was the case.  Thanks
*From:* Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2019 3:55 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] aviat question
Exalt wireless is gone, but Star Microwave still did some support for 
them, and has some gear for sale.

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Re: [AFMUG] Earthquake Fiber vs Microwave

[dave]

We just need a GIANT Satellite in space that will emit static discharge 
with infrared as a primary blanket of coverage using a laser beam to 
feed it.


All looks good on paper :)


On 2/25/19 11:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
With 100% underground construction, fire doesn't bother it much.  
However most folks probably don't realize that handholes will burn.  
They are polymer concrete.


-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Monday, February 
25, 2019 9:56 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Earthquake 
Fiber vs Microwave

On 2/25/19 8:30 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I know I can throw a temp chunk of fiber on the ground and have 
things up and running in an hour or two.



If you can gain entry to do that. Look at the major CA fire zones that 
just happened: nobody was getting in for weeks on end. But I did see a 
lot of emergency PCNs for new microwave paths that skipped over closed 
areas. Nobody is going to let you work on a temporary splice next to a 
building that's partially collapsed. Or a broken gas line. Or a broken 
water line that's undermining the area. Roads/bridges can become 
impassable in seconds. So many variables that could keep you out of 
any given area you could shoot over with microwave much faster. With 
fire tower sites are often defensible structures for fire crews.


In earthquake or fire disaster planning always include microwave. If 
you have to realign you're guaranteed to only need access to the 
endpoints not potentially X number of midpoints if there's more than 
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b high gain cable gland & cover

[dave]

We used them tons for sure!


On 2/21/19 4:03 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Well, the stinger had a nice long ride.  Hundreds of thousands of them 
out in the world.  No matter where I travel, I see one somewhere.

*From:* Eric Muehleisen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 21, 2019 1:43 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b high gain cable gland & cover
My guys in the field have complained and complained about the new 
design. But they do like the fact that inventory parts lists can be 
reduced with the new SM style. No dishes, no stingers (sorry Chuck), 
no license keys. We take the good with the bad on this.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 9:40 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Does everyone hate the 450b high gain cover with the cable gland
as much as we do?  Not sure why they felt the need to do this on
the high gain but not the mid gain.

I wish somebody (Chuck?) would sell an aftermarket conversion kit
to make it like the mid gain or the original Canopy SM.  With a
snap on cover, water kept out by gravity, and readily accessible
alignment tool port.

There are other mechanical things I hate about the product, like
the screw in the back that you have to tighten ever so gingerly,
and the 4 threaded inserts that seem to have manufacturing quality
issues like getting covered over with plastic.  Or the occasional
feedtube that doesn't quite want to latch into place.  Or how much
work it is to convert them to mount on the left side of the pole. 
But the stupid cover with the cable gland is an annoyance every
single time.

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Re: [AFMUG] ATA hell

[dave]

I ll post some info soon..

bury a wire is not an option because the reason for wireless isolation.


On 2/19/19 5:00 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
So, what triggers the gate mechanism?  Do you just dial a code and the 
gate opens?  If so, doesn’t sound like you need anything.

Or is this a call box type of thing?
*From:* dave
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 19, 2019 3:55 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] ATA hell

I am looking for a solution to connect a security gate with touch tone 
dial pad to remove the existing phone lines to the gate and say good 
bye to ATT.


I had thoughts of using some ATAs back to back and one for the sip ...

Any thoughts and suggestions are welcome.

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[AFMUG] ATA hell

[dave]

I am looking for a solution to connect a security gate with touch tone 
dial pad to remove the existing phone lines to the gate and say good bye 
to ATT.


I had thoughts of using some ATAs back to back and one for the sip ...

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Re: [AFMUG] 10Gig at 5.25 miles?

[dave]

Do Light optics


On 2/19/19 11:35 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
Assuming this just ins't possible in the real world but I thought I'd 
throw it at the list and see if anyone knew of anything even if it 
cost an arm an and a leg.  Obviously wireless, fiber would be too easy.


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Re: [AFMUG] Are NN licenses still selling despite CBRS coming?

[dave]

From what I understand if you have cambium gear that it can be turned 
up with a firmware update.


As far as who gets paid the monthly check for use of the sas I am not 
clear on yet but I think cambium will


be a big player in this to help folks that have their gear.


On 2/13/19 5:09 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Which SAS vendor?

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2019 4:18 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Are NN licenses still selling despite CBRS coming?

I heard today that the SAS was supposed to be operational imminently.  
The claim was that it would already have been up if not for the 
federal shutdown.  I was told to expect it in March.


I guess we'll see.  It was a year away for 10 years, so maybe 
it'll be a month away for 10 months.


-Adam

On 2/11/2019 8:36 AM, Christopher Gray wrote:

Is there still value in selling an NN license? What sort of prices
these days?





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Re: [AFMUG] Indoor Fiber Cabinets

[dave]

I would just get a Floor mounted rack for that. Possibly one that has 4 
poles


On 2/6/19 1:07 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:


What are you guys using for indoor cabinets? I'm interested in both 
wall and floor mount as situations vary.


The expectation is to handle a couple hundred strands of glass in 
patch panels, some rack space for mounting equipment (WDM, switches, 
routers, OLT, etc.) and some battery space.






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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

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Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Packetflux

[dave]

Love forest and the gang

Forest has nailed the holistic approach to a few designs so desperately 
needed by wisps for a


POE/timing function. I am glad we have our talks at the WISPAPALOOZA 
shows. I love the rack injector model and the cards available have made 
it very flexible in what we do as well as a new design I put together 
for a complete Off-grid solar site with cambiums Epmp2000 product line 
using Forrests Powerinjector plus product.


Thank you Forrest

Dave



On 2/5/19 3:56 PM, ja...@remotelylocated.com wrote:




Paging Forrest. Best way to order through the website or distribution?

Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736  Office
530-748-9608  Cell
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Re: [AFMUG] OT football

[dave]

Yes,

 Its sometimes what I feel when someone calls in and says they cant 
stream netflix.



On 2/3/19 2:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Of course it couldn’t be the streaming service, all problems are 
because your ISP sucks.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Sunday, February 3, 2019 12:50 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT football

most everyone i've talked to says the streaming never keeps up on game 
day


our service or others.

- Original Message -

*From:*Chuck McCown 

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Sent:*Sunday, February 3, 2019 11:27 AM

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT football

10% of Directv has moved to Directv Now.  I am guessing that that
ratio will go for the rest of the viewers.  90% will not be
streaming it.

Be interesting to see if today is different than a typical Sunday
evening.

*From:*Nate Burke

*Sent:*Sunday, February 03, 2019 10:14 AM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT football

Traffic low because everyone is watching the game, or traffic high
because everyone who's dumped 'traditional' TV will be streaming it?

On 2/3/2019 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Go St. Louis oh, wait...





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Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink/Level3 Bandwidth

[dave]

We use Fusion and have been very happy with performance and service at 2 
of our edge sites.



On 1/31/19 5:26 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
Anyone using Centurylink branded Fiber+ Internet?  They gave us a very 
good Quote for 1gig connection loop and port, (as in almost 'too good 
to be true'),  so we're wondering if anyone has real world experience 
with them.  I believe the actual product is called Fiber+.  They're 
saying we can do BGP to AS209, and there are no extra charges for 
anything other than a little bit of tax.  The price is making us a 
little wary that they're not telling us something.





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Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink/Level3 Bandwidth

[dave]

Yeah.. Not cool

From either side


On 2/1/19 9:14 AM, Jeremy wrote:
The fiber+ program does not allow resale.  You have to buy from the 
wholesale department.  We were on it and had to switch.  I also know a 
local WISP who received cease & desist letters and they shut down all 
of his connections.  He lost hundreds of customers over it.


On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 7:06 AM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:


Second the taxes and fees.  We went with CL on a 10G wave.  Even
had them "estimate" the taxes and fees. Got the bill and the fees
were something like 4X what they estimated.

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 6:25 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com>> wrote:

Lots of taxes and fees.



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8 Active, an AT&T 5G Evolution
smartphone


 Original message 
From: Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>>
Date: 1/31/19 5:27 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: Animal Farm mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Centurylink/Level3 Bandwidth

Anyone using Centurylink branded Fiber+ Internet?  They gave
us a very
good Quote for 1gig connection loop and port, (as in almost
'too good to
be true'),  so we're wondering if anyone has real world
experience with
them.  I believe the actual product is called Fiber+.  They're
saying we
can do BGP to AS209, and there are no extra charges for
anything other
than a little bit of tax.  The price is making us a little
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they're not telling us something.



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