Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Darren Shea]

I poll my PacketFlux gear using Nagios and SNMP, and Nagios is already 
configured to alert me using an email-to-SMS gateway, so I can get temperature 
or voltage alerts pretty easily, and add new items to monitor without much 
hassle..

 

Darren

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 2:41 PM
To: TJ Trout; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue?  Traps?

 

\Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.  

 

 

From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Chuck McCown 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and temp 
and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures you add a 
expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of

 

On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment alarm 
contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked the 
netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.  Temps

 

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might be 
some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.

However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is nearly 
universal (because some implementations are better than others).

 

bp


On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in one of 
our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest has.  

 

Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern stuff 
out there we should be looking at?

 

 

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation 
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro
www.terabitnetworks.com






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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Reminds me of a tech that took care of railroad switching.  He said that the 
only thing that crossing arms mean is that if they are down, a train might be 
coming.  Otherwise they indicate nothing of value.  Meaning of course, that you 
can never trust them if they are up.  



From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 1:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

My first job out of college was at the GTE equivalent of Western Electric, 
designing factory test equipment. I remember they had a way of teaching newbies 
to never rely on the absence of an indication (no news is good news).

There was a box in the lab labelled "fuse tester", with a fuse holder, a 
button, and a light labelled "fuse blown". So someone would put a good fuse in 
the holder, and nothing would happen. Nobody was satisfied with that, so even 
the pushbutton was not labelled, they would push it. And of course then the 
"fuse blown" light would come on.

 Original Message 
From: dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: 5/9/2024 1:44:17 PM
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

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{behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} 
As far as something newer/better than SNMP, there is Netconf (RFC6241).  In a 
nutshell, it uses HTTP to carry XML data with the queries and commands.  It’s 
“push” rather than “pull”, so you put the NMS URL in the device rather than 
adding every device to the NMS.  In theory, if your NMS server blows up you can 
stand up a new one on the same IP address and all the devices start talking to 
it like nothing happened.  And (hopefully) your devices can get the NMS URL via 
a DHCP option or RADIUS attribute or whatever so you don’t actually have to 
enter it on every device.  It’s also supposed to be lighter on the network and 
lighter on the devices because they don’t have to provide every value in every 
polling interval; they can just update the NMS with whatever changed from the 
previous interval.

 

So there are a lot of positive aspects to the new way, but the problem is SNMP 
has been around for over 3 decades and you have a huge installed base of 
software and hardware using it.  I believe Nokia (Altiplano) uses Netconf, and 
I know the Telrad LTE stuff did as well…..and in both cases they chose NOT to 
implement SNMP on the device at all.  Nokia, I believe, provides some kind 
middleware so you can have a machine taking SNMP queries and translating it to 
talk to the NetConf server.  I’m fuzzy on that piece because I’ve only seen 
Powerpoint about it.  Telrad just said screw SNMP.  My point being that the two 
Netconf implementations I know about both opted for Netconf only, rather than 
keeping SNMP for backward compatibility.

 

 

 

Email alerts sounds like the easy way up until it doesn’t work.  It seems like 
these days you always run into anti-spam features.  I’d suggest if you do that 
you have the device send from an email address on the same domain and same host 
as your company email and ask the provider to (1) exempt that sender from spam 
and virus scanning, (2) dev/null any incoming mail for that address, and (3) 
set the password to never expire.  Optionally (4) have them only accept mail 
from that sender if it comes from your IP addresses.   If it accepts incoming 
mail you’ll eventually end up with infinite gigs of backscatter.  Also, fully 
expect your IT people to delete that account sometimes.  This may sound stupid, 
but it happens. Some well meaning new guy will review email accounts and find 
this one account that nobody has ever logged into and delete it assuming it’s a 
dead account.  Oh….write down the password somewhere because you’ll need to set 
in every device and you’ll need to be able to put it back in when the new IT 
guy deletes it.  If you ever have to reset it then obviously you have to touch 
every device to update them.

 

If they’ll let you send without auth that avoids any password related 
hardships, but then item (4) in my list is no longer optional.  

 

You’ll have to cope with all the same issues when your NMS sends email, but you 
cope with it on one server instead of 1000 devices.

 

My final comment about email alerts is you don’t know when they stop working.  
If the NMS can’t poll the device with SNMP you’ll get an alert about that, but 
if the device can’t send an email that looks the same as if there just aren’t 
any problems right now.  You’ll find out when something bad happens and you 
realize you didn’t get the alert.

 

So yeah…..SNMP is what I’d do.  Maybe Netconf someday when there’s wider 
support for it.

 

For reading dry contacts with SNMP I certainly like Packetflux, and we bought 
lots of SiteMonitors in our WISP days.  There’s also controlbyweb.com, 
sometimes they typically cost more than a SiteMonitor, but sometimes they’ll 
have one box that gives you the 

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Ken Hohhof]

My first job out of college was at the GTE equivalent of Western Electric, 
designing factory test equipment. I remember they had a way of teaching newbies 
to never rely on the absence of an indication (no news is good news).There was 
a box in the lab labelled "fuse tester", with a fuse holder, a button, and a 
light labelled "fuse blown". So someone would put a good fuse in the holder, 
and nothing would happen. Nobody was satisfied with that, so even the 
pushbutton was not labelled, they would push it. And of course then the "fuse 
blown" light would come on. Original Message From: 
dmmoffett@gmail.comSent: 5/9/2024 1:44:17 PMTo: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users 
Group'" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMPAs far as something newer/better than SNMP, 
there is Netconf (RFC6241).? In a nutshell, it uses HTTP to carry XML data with 
the queries and commands.? It?s ?push? rather than ?pull?, so you put the NMS 
URL in the device rather than adding every device to the NMS.? In theory, if 
your NMS server blows up you can stand up a new one on the same IP address and 
all the devices start talking to it like nothing happened. ?And (hopefully) 
your devices can get the NMS URL via a DHCP option or RADIUS attribute or 
whatever so you don?t actually have to enter it on every device.? It?s also 
supposed to be lighter on the network and lighter on the devices because they 
don?t have to provide every value in every polling interval; they can just 
update the NMS with whatever changed from the previous interval.?So there are a 
lot of positive aspects to the new way, but the problem is SNMP has been around 
for over 3 decades and you have a huge installed base of software and hardware 
using it. ?I believe Nokia (Altiplano) uses Netconf, and I know the Telrad LTE 
stuff did as well?..and in both cases they chose NOT to implement SNMP on the 
device at all.? Nokia, I believe, provides some kind middleware so you can have 
a machine taking SNMP queries and translating it to talk to the NetConf 
server.? I?m fuzzy on that piece because I?ve only seen Powerpoint about it.? 
Telrad just said screw SNMP.? My point being that the two Netconf 
implementations I know about both opted for Netconf only, rather than keeping 
SNMP for backward compatibility.???Email alerts sounds like the easy way up 
until it doesn?t work.? It seems like these days you always run into anti-spam 
features.? I?d suggest if you do that you have the device send from an email 
address on the same domain and same host as your company email and ask the 
provider to (1) exempt that sender from spam and virus scanning, (2) dev/null 
any incoming mail for that address, and (3) set the password to never expire.? 
Optionally (4) have them only accept mail from that sender if it comes from 
your IP addresses. ??If it accepts incoming mail you?ll eventually end up with 
infinite gigs of backscatter.? Also, fully expect your IT people to delete that 
account sometimes.? This may sound stupid, but it happens. Some well meaning 
new guy will review email accounts and find this one account that nobody has 
ever logged into and delete it assuming it?s a dead account.? Oh?.write down 
the password somewhere because you?ll need to set in every device and you?ll 
need to be able to put it back in when the new IT guy deletes it.? If you ever 
have to reset it then obviously you have to touch every device to update 
them.?If they?ll let you send without auth that avoids any password related 
hardships, but then item (4) in my list is no longer optional.? ?You?ll have to 
cope with all the same issues when your NMS sends email, but you cope with it 
on one server instead of 1000 devices.?My final comment about email alerts is 
you don?t know when they stop working.? If the NMS can?t poll the device with 
SNMP you?ll get an alert about that, but if the device can?t send an email that 
looks the same as if there just aren?t any problems right now.? You?ll find out 
when something bad happens and you realize you didn?t get the alert.?So 
yeah?..SNMP is what I?d do.? Maybe Netconf someday when there?s wider support 
for it.?For reading dry contacts with SNMP I certainly like Packetflux, and we 
bought lots of SiteMonitors in our WISP days.? There?s also controlbyweb.com, 
sometimes they typically cost more than a SiteMonitor, but sometimes they?ll 
have one box that gives you the right mix of contacts whereas you needed a 
Sitemonitor + Expansion to get the same thing with Packetflux.? ??-Adam???From: 
AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AFSent: Wednesday, 
May 08, 2024 5:42 PMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: 
chuck@go-mtc.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP?I think the simple email alert is 
what we are looking for..? No NMS needed.? ???From: castarritt Sent: Wednesday, 
May 8, 2024 3:33 PMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 
SNMP?We've done stuff as ghetto as powering an old wrt54g through the alarm 
contacts a

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[dmmoffett]

As far as something newer/better than SNMP, there is Netconf (RFC6241).  In a 
nutshell, it uses HTTP to carry XML data with the queries and commands.  It’s 
“push” rather than “pull”, so you put the NMS URL in the device rather than 
adding every device to the NMS.  In theory, if your NMS server blows up you can 
stand up a new one on the same IP address and all the devices start talking to 
it like nothing happened.  And (hopefully) your devices can get the NMS URL via 
a DHCP option or RADIUS attribute or whatever so you don’t actually have to 
enter it on every device.  It’s also supposed to be lighter on the network and 
lighter on the devices because they don’t have to provide every value in every 
polling interval; they can just update the NMS with whatever changed from the 
previous interval.

 

So there are a lot of positive aspects to the new way, but the problem is SNMP 
has been around for over 3 decades and you have a huge installed base of 
software and hardware using it.  I believe Nokia (Altiplano) uses Netconf, and 
I know the Telrad LTE stuff did as well…..and in both cases they chose NOT to 
implement SNMP on the device at all.  Nokia, I believe, provides some kind 
middleware so you can have a machine taking SNMP queries and translating it to 
talk to the NetConf server.  I’m fuzzy on that piece because I’ve only seen 
Powerpoint about it.  Telrad just said screw SNMP.  My point being that the two 
Netconf implementations I know about both opted for Netconf only, rather than 
keeping SNMP for backward compatibility.

 

 

 

Email alerts sounds like the easy way up until it doesn’t work.  It seems like 
these days you always run into anti-spam features.  I’d suggest if you do that 
you have the device send from an email address on the same domain and same host 
as your company email and ask the provider to (1) exempt that sender from spam 
and virus scanning, (2) dev/null any incoming mail for that address, and (3) 
set the password to never expire.  Optionally (4) have them only accept mail 
from that sender if it comes from your IP addresses.   If it accepts incoming 
mail you’ll eventually end up with infinite gigs of backscatter.  Also, fully 
expect your IT people to delete that account sometimes.  This may sound stupid, 
but it happens. Some well meaning new guy will review email accounts and find 
this one account that nobody has ever logged into and delete it assuming it’s a 
dead account.  Oh….write down the password somewhere because you’ll need to set 
in every device and you’ll need to be able to put it back in when the new IT 
guy deletes it.  If you ever have to reset it then obviously you have to touch 
every device to update them.

 

If they’ll let you send without auth that avoids any password related 
hardships, but then item (4) in my list is no longer optional.  

 

You’ll have to cope with all the same issues when your NMS sends email, but you 
cope with it on one server instead of 1000 devices.

 

My final comment about email alerts is you don’t know when they stop working.  
If the NMS can’t poll the device with SNMP you’ll get an alert about that, but 
if the device can’t send an email that looks the same as if there just aren’t 
any problems right now.  You’ll find out when something bad happens and you 
realize you didn’t get the alert.

 

So yeah…..SNMP is what I’d do.  Maybe Netconf someday when there’s wider 
support for it.

 

For reading dry contacts with SNMP I certainly like Packetflux, and we bought 
lots of SiteMonitors in our WISP days.  There’s also controlbyweb.com, 
sometimes they typically cost more than a SiteMonitor, but sometimes they’ll 
have one box that gives you the right mix of contacts whereas you needed a 
Sitemonitor + Expansion to get the same thing with Packetflux.   

 

-Adam

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2024 5:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

I think the simple email alert is what we are looking for..  No NMS needed.  

 

 

 

From: castarritt 

Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:33 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

We've done stuff as ghetto as powering an old wrt54g through the alarm contacts 
and monitoring its IP address to see when it comes up and goes down.  These 
days all of our sites have either an Alpha or ICT UPS or DC shelf that has 
alarm monitoring inputs.

 

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

As long as you support SMTP AUTH, I think that should be sufficient.  If 
necessary, someone could always create a Gmail account for this purpose.

 

Yes, there are some older devices that expect you to set them up as an MTA 
rather than MUA so they can send unauthenticated SMTP on port 25.  That sounds 
like a really bad plan to me unless you time travel back to maybe 1999.  I 
don’t want to be creating SPF and DKIM and

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Steve Jones]

Librenms is the easiest NMS to set up, its a pita to add OIDs to it outside
the learning curve. SNMPc from castlerock was the best for responsive snmp
monitoring, could execute all kinds of stuff based on snmpc conditions, the
dude could probably be set up somewhat similar. I despise
proprietary monitoring from vendors device families because they end
support on long life products. NMS snmp monitoring is my
preferred solution, only one communications channel to ensure it is
functioning properly and only one alert channel to maintain. Every time I
come across something proprietary i try to tell it to get off my lawn

site monitors are good contact monitors, simple, but the oid structure is a
little archaic since you have to add the index for each module, but
theyre like a fat girl, ugly but reliable as hell and always there at
dinnertime. We used to use the site monitor input 2 to monitor for voltage.
had power supply that was generator only, so we would get an alert when it
ran the monthly test and put power to that input and when sites would lose
power and go on generator.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 1:45 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in
> one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest
> has.
>
> Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern
> stuff out there we should be looking at?
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Chuck McCown
>
> McCown Technology Corporation
> 8401 N Commerce Dr
> Lake Point, Utah 84074
> 801-250-9503 Office
> 435-830-4306 Cell
> www.mccowntech.com
> www.microtrench.pro
> www.terabitnetworks.com
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Don’t forget Zabbix, free and can do virtually anything if you put your mind to 
it.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 12:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

SNMP is still pretty much the de-facto monitoring standard. Going to run 
through a demo of this in a week. Looking forward to seeing what it can do. 
https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.selector.ai=E6428FBC-1804-A506-A041-AFF83B7DD506=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-fe4d728472928f532fb6e0e8cb07fa811fd8ccd6

For your needs, you should use Zabbix. I think it's going to be supported for a 
long time going into the future, it has good integrations with things like 
Grafana so you can make your graphs all pretty. The alarming system is good.

It's free, but you might need to go and find someone to build you templates if 
you don't want to spend the time doing it yourself. You should collect all your 
devices, find the MIB's for them, then in plain language enter what you want to 
report from each device. Get the devices on a network where your contractor can 
reach them, and have them build the templates for you.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>> wrote:
20 years ago we used stuff from a weird little company called BlackBox for 
remote monitoring and control.  Looks like they still exist and make kind of 
what Chuck is looking for, probably overkill though.

https://www.blackbox.com/en-in/products/by-technology/networking-solutions/alertwerks-iot-solutions


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 5:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

Bash it is!

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 5:43 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
I think the simple email alert is what we are looking for..  No NMS needed.



From: castarritt
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

We've done stuff as ghetto as powering an old wrt54g through the alarm contacts 
and monitoring its IP address to see when it comes up and goes down.  These 
days all of our sites have either an Alpha or ICT UPS or DC shelf that has 
alarm monitoring inputs.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>> wrote:
As long as you support SMTP AUTH, I think that should be sufficient.  If 
necessary, someone could always create a Gmail account for this purpose.

Yes, there are some older devices that expect you to set them up as an MTA 
rather than MUA so they can send unauthenticated SMTP on port 25.  That sounds 
like a really bad plan to me unless you time travel back to maybe 1999.  I 
don’t want to be creating SPF and DKIM and DMARC records for a little contact 
monitoring box, and it sounds like a security nightmare.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

Some devices can be configured to send an email if a contact closes, but the 
way this happens varies between devices.

My problem with integrating this on the the sitemonitor platform has 
traditionally been that you need a rule system in order to determine when to 
send the email.  I.E. what threshold of voltage, and so on.   This is obviously 
easy in a on/off situation, but not so much in a voltage.   Plus you need 
additional rules so when the voltage is bouncing between 24.0 and 24.1 and you 
have the threshold set at 24.0 you don't get an email every time it flaps to 
24.0.All of this was impossible to do on the older hardware just because of 
code space limitations.

The Base 3 has the resources to do this, but the firmware has not yet been 
completed.  There is a rules engine about 3/4 built for the sitemonitor system, 
how long until it sees the light of day, I don't know at this point.   The 
email itself is somewhat easy but I also need to provide some sort of email 
server resources for those who don't have an email system which will accept 
email from random devices.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:55 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>> wrote:
Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring system.

Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that an 
SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls every 
1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by email or 
text message.

I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or current, then set trip 
points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like UPS input voltage at 
the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V for more than 2 
minutes.

 Original Message 
From: "Chuck McCown via AF&qu

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Ryan Ray]

SNMP is still pretty much the de-facto monitoring standard. Going to run
through a demo of this in a week. Looking forward to seeing what it can do.
https://www.selector.ai

For your needs, you should use Zabbix. I think it's going to be supported
for a long time going into the future, it has good integrations with things
like Grafana so you can make your graphs all pretty. The alarming system is
good.

It's free, but you might need to go and find someone to build you templates
if you don't want to spend the time doing it yourself. You should collect
all your devices, find the MIB's for them, then in plain language enter
what you want to report from each device. Get the devices on a network
where your contractor can reach them, and have them build the templates for
you.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> 20 years ago we used stuff from a weird little company called BlackBox for
> remote monitoring and control.  Looks like they still exist and make kind
> of what Chuck is looking for, probably overkill though.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.blackbox.com/en-in/products/by-technology/networking-solutions/alertwerks-iot-solutions
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 5:54 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
>
> Bash it is!
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 5:43 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> I think the simple email alert is what we are looking for..  No NMS
> needed.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* castarritt
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:33 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
>
> We've done stuff as ghetto as powering an old wrt54g through the alarm
> contacts and monitoring its IP address to see when it comes up and goes
> down.  These days all of our sites have either an Alpha or ICT UPS or DC
> shelf that has alarm monitoring inputs.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> As long as you support SMTP AUTH, I think that should be sufficient.  If
> necessary, someone could always create a Gmail account for this purpose.
>
>
>
> Yes, there are some older devices that expect you to set them up as an MTA
> rather than MUA so they can send unauthenticated SMTP on port 25.  That
> sounds like a really bad plan to me unless you time travel back to maybe
> 1999.  I don’t want to be creating SPF and DKIM and DMARC records for a
> little contact monitoring box, and it sounds like a security nightmare.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 4:13 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
>
> Some devices can be configured to send an email if a contact closes, but
> the way this happens varies between devices.
>
>
>
> My problem with integrating this on the the sitemonitor platform has
> traditionally been that you need a rule system in order to determine when
> to send the email.  I.E. what threshold of voltage, and so on.   This is
> obviously easy in a on/off situation, but not so much in a voltage.   Plus
> you need additional rules so when the voltage is bouncing between 24.0 and
> 24.1 and you have the threshold set at 24.0 you don't get an email every
> time it flaps to 24.0.All of this was impossible to do on the older
> hardware just because of code space limitations.
>
>
>
> The Base 3 has the resources to do this, but the firmware has not yet been
> completed.  There is a rules engine about 3/4 built for the sitemonitor
> system, how long until it sees the light of day, I don't know at this
> point.   The email itself is somewhat easy but I also need to provide some
> sort of email server resources for those who don't have an email system
> which will accept email from random devices.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:55 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring system.
>
> Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that
> an SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls
> every 1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by
> email or text message.
>
> I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or current, then set trip
> points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like UPS input voltage
> at the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V for more than
> 2 minutes.
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Chuck McCown via AF"
> Sent: 5/8/2024 2:41:36 PM
> To: "TJ Trout" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Cc

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Ken Hohhof]

20 years ago we used stuff from a weird little company called BlackBox for 
remote monitoring and control.  Looks like they still exist and make kind of 
what Chuck is looking for, probably overkill though.

 

https://www.blackbox.com/en-in/products/by-technology/networking-solutions/alertwerks-iot-solutions

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 5:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

Bash it is!

 

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 5:43 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

I think the simple email alert is what we are looking for..  No NMS needed.  

 

 

 

From: castarritt 

Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:33 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

We've done stuff as ghetto as powering an old wrt54g through the alarm contacts 
and monitoring its IP address to see when it comes up and goes down.  These 
days all of our sites have either an Alpha or ICT UPS or DC shelf that has 
alarm monitoring inputs.

 

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

As long as you support SMTP AUTH, I think that should be sufficient.  If 
necessary, someone could always create a Gmail account for this purpose.

 

Yes, there are some older devices that expect you to set them up as an MTA 
rather than MUA so they can send unauthenticated SMTP on port 25.  That sounds 
like a really bad plan to me unless you time travel back to maybe 1999.  I 
don’t want to be creating SPF and DKIM and DMARC records for a little contact 
monitoring box, and it sounds like a security nightmare.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

Some devices can be configured to send an email if a contact closes, but the 
way this happens varies between devices.

 

My problem with integrating this on the the sitemonitor platform has 
traditionally been that you need a rule system in order to determine when to 
send the email.  I.E. what threshold of voltage, and so on.   This is obviously 
easy in a on/off situation, but not so much in a voltage.   Plus you need 
additional rules so when the voltage is bouncing between 24.0 and 24.1 and you 
have the threshold set at 24.0 you don't get an email every time it flaps to 
24.0.All of this was impossible to do on the older hardware just because of 
code space limitations.  

 

The Base 3 has the resources to do this, but the firmware has not yet been 
completed.  There is a rules engine about 3/4 built for the sitemonitor system, 
how long until it sees the light of day, I don't know at this point.   The 
email itself is somewhat easy but I also need to provide some sort of email 
server resources for those who don't have an email system which will accept 
email from random devices.

 

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:55 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring system.

Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that an 
SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls every 
1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by email or 
text message.

I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or current, then set trip 
points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like UPS input voltage at 
the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V for more than 2 
minutes.

 Original Message 
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
Sent: 5/8/2024 2:41:36 PM
To: "TJ Trout" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue?  Traps?

 

\Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.  

 

 

From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Chuck McCown 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and temp 
and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures you add a 
expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of

 

On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23?PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment alarm 
contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked the 
netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.  Temps

 

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might be 
some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.

However, SNMP as flawe

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I have a few servers that need to send error notifications. Trying to keep
Google accepting those notifications was a real struggle, even when using
TLS + SMTP AUTH. They seem to have set up some options recently, but I
moved those to a third-party mail provider before those became an option so
I don't know if they've fixed this.

I'm looking at options for the next firmware update where a purchaser can
either use their own infrastructure or something we provide.  How much of
"something we provide" is free vs paid or even if we go down this path is
still very much up in the air.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 3:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> As long as you support SMTP AUTH, I think that should be sufficient.  If
> necessary, someone could always create a Gmail account for this purpose.
>
>
>
> Yes, there are some older devices that expect you to set them up as an MTA
> rather than MUA so they can send unauthenticated SMTP on port 25.  That
> sounds like a really bad plan to me unless you time travel back to maybe
> 1999.  I don’t want to be creating SPF and DKIM and DMARC records for a
> little contact monitoring box, and it sounds like a security nightmare.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 4:13 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
>
> Some devices can be configured to send an email if a contact closes, but
> the way this happens varies between devices.
>
>
>
> My problem with integrating this on the the sitemonitor platform has
> traditionally been that you need a rule system in order to determine when
> to send the email.  I.E. what threshold of voltage, and so on.   This is
> obviously easy in a on/off situation, but not so much in a voltage.   Plus
> you need additional rules so when the voltage is bouncing between 24.0 and
> 24.1 and you have the threshold set at 24.0 you don't get an email every
> time it flaps to 24.0.All of this was impossible to do on the older
> hardware just because of code space limitations.
>
>
>
> The Base 3 has the resources to do this, but the firmware has not yet been
> completed.  There is a rules engine about 3/4 built for the sitemonitor
> system, how long until it sees the light of day, I don't know at this
> point.   The email itself is somewhat easy but I also need to provide some
> sort of email server resources for those who don't have an email system
> which will accept email from random devices.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:55 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring system.
>
> Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that
> an SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls
> every 1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by
> email or text message.
>
> I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or current, then set trip
> points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like UPS input voltage
> at the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V for more than
> 2 minutes.
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Chuck McCown via AF"
> Sent: 5/8/2024 2:41:36 PM
> To: "TJ Trout" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
> So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue?  Traps?
>
>
>
> \Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
>
> Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and
> temp and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures
> you add a expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23?PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment
> alarm contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked
> the netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.
> Temps
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
>
> I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might
> be some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.
>
> However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is
> nearly universal (because some implementations are better than others).
>
>
>
> bp
>
&

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Josh Luthman]

Bash it is!

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 5:43 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I think the simple email alert is what we are looking for..  No NMS
> needed.
>
>
>
> *From:* castarritt
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:33 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
> We've done stuff as ghetto as powering an old wrt54g through the alarm
> contacts and monitoring its IP address to see when it comes up and goes
> down.  These days all of our sites have either an Alpha or ICT UPS or DC
> shelf that has alarm monitoring inputs.
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> As long as you support SMTP AUTH, I think that should be sufficient.  If
>> necessary, someone could always create a Gmail account for this purpose.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, there are some older devices that expect you to set them up as an
>> MTA rather than MUA so they can send unauthenticated SMTP on port 25.  That
>> sounds like a really bad plan to me unless you time travel back to maybe
>> 1999.  I don’t want to be creating SPF and DKIM and DMARC records for a
>> little contact monitoring box, and it sounds like a security nightmare.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
>> (List Account)
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 4:13 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>>
>>
>>
>> Some devices can be configured to send an email if a contact closes, but
>> the way this happens varies between devices.
>>
>>
>>
>> My problem with integrating this on the the sitemonitor platform has
>> traditionally been that you need a rule system in order to determine when
>> to send the email.  I.E. what threshold of voltage, and so on.   This is
>> obviously easy in a on/off situation, but not so much in a voltage.   Plus
>> you need additional rules so when the voltage is bouncing between 24.0 and
>> 24.1 and you have the threshold set at 24.0 you don't get an email every
>> time it flaps to 24.0.All of this was impossible to do on the older
>> hardware just because of code space limitations.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Base 3 has the resources to do this, but the firmware has not yet
>> been completed.  There is a rules engine about 3/4 built for the
>> sitemonitor system, how long until it sees the light of day, I don't know
>> at this point.   The email itself is somewhat easy but I also need to
>> provide some sort of email server resources for those who don't have an
>> email system which will accept email from random devices.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:55 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring system.
>>
>> Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that
>> an SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls
>> every 1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by
>> email or text message.
>>
>> I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or current, then set
>> trip points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like UPS input
>> voltage at the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V for
>> more than 2 minutes.
>>
>>  Original Message 
>> From: "Chuck McCown via AF"
>> Sent: 5/8/2024 2:41:36 PM
>> To: "TJ Trout" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
>> Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>>
>> So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue?  Traps?
>>
>>
>>
>> \Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* TJ Trout
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>>
>>
>>
>> Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and
>> temp and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures
>> you add a expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23?PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment
>> alarm contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked
>> the netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.
>> Temps
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
&g

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I think the simple email alert is what we are looking for..  No NMS needed.  



From: castarritt 
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

We've done stuff as ghetto as powering an old wrt54g through the alarm contacts 
and monitoring its IP address to see when it comes up and goes down.  These 
days all of our sites have either an Alpha or ICT UPS or DC shelf that has 
alarm monitoring inputs.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  As long as you support SMTP AUTH, I think that should be sufficient.  If 
necessary, someone could always create a Gmail account for this purpose.



  Yes, there are some older devices that expect you to set them up as an MTA 
rather than MUA so they can send unauthenticated SMTP on port 25.  That sounds 
like a really bad plan to me unless you time travel back to maybe 1999.  I 
don’t want to be creating SPF and DKIM and DMARC records for a little contact 
monitoring box, and it sounds like a security nightmare.



  From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
  Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 4:13 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP



  Some devices can be configured to send an email if a contact closes, but the 
way this happens varies between devices.



  My problem with integrating this on the the sitemonitor platform has 
traditionally been that you need a rule system in order to determine when to 
send the email.  I.E. what threshold of voltage, and so on.   This is obviously 
easy in a on/off situation, but not so much in a voltage.   Plus you need 
additional rules so when the voltage is bouncing between 24.0 and 24.1 and you 
have the threshold set at 24.0 you don't get an email every time it flaps to 
24.0.All of this was impossible to do on the older hardware just because of 
code space limitations.  



  The Base 3 has the resources to do this, but the firmware has not yet been 
completed.  There is a rules engine about 3/4 built for the sitemonitor system, 
how long until it sees the light of day, I don't know at this point.   The 
email itself is somewhat easy but I also need to provide some sort of email 
server resources for those who don't have an email system which will accept 
email from random devices.



  On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:55 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring system.

Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that an 
SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls every 
1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by email or 
text message.

I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or current, then set trip 
points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like UPS input voltage at 
the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V for more than 2 
minutes.

 Original Message 
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
Sent: 5/8/2024 2:41:36 PM
To: "TJ Trout" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue?  Traps?



\Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.  





From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Chuck McCown 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP



Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and 
temp and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures you 
add a expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of



On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23?PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment 
alarm contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked the 
netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.  Temps







  From: Bill Prince 

  Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM

  To: af@af.afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP



  I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might 
be some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.

  However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is 
nearly universal (because some implementations are better than others).



bpOn 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts 
in one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest 
has.  



Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more 
modern stuff out there we should be looking at?





Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation 
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
www.mccowntech.c

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[castarritt]

We've done stuff as ghetto as powering an old wrt54g through the alarm
contacts and monitoring its IP address to see when it comes up and goes
down.  These days all of our sites have either an Alpha or ICT UPS or DC
shelf that has alarm monitoring inputs.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> As long as you support SMTP AUTH, I think that should be sufficient.  If
> necessary, someone could always create a Gmail account for this purpose.
>
>
>
> Yes, there are some older devices that expect you to set them up as an MTA
> rather than MUA so they can send unauthenticated SMTP on port 25.  That
> sounds like a really bad plan to me unless you time travel back to maybe
> 1999.  I don’t want to be creating SPF and DKIM and DMARC records for a
> little contact monitoring box, and it sounds like a security nightmare.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 4:13 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
>
> Some devices can be configured to send an email if a contact closes, but
> the way this happens varies between devices.
>
>
>
> My problem with integrating this on the the sitemonitor platform has
> traditionally been that you need a rule system in order to determine when
> to send the email.  I.E. what threshold of voltage, and so on.   This is
> obviously easy in a on/off situation, but not so much in a voltage.   Plus
> you need additional rules so when the voltage is bouncing between 24.0 and
> 24.1 and you have the threshold set at 24.0 you don't get an email every
> time it flaps to 24.0.All of this was impossible to do on the older
> hardware just because of code space limitations.
>
>
>
> The Base 3 has the resources to do this, but the firmware has not yet been
> completed.  There is a rules engine about 3/4 built for the sitemonitor
> system, how long until it sees the light of day, I don't know at this
> point.   The email itself is somewhat easy but I also need to provide some
> sort of email server resources for those who don't have an email system
> which will accept email from random devices.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:55 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring system.
>
> Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that
> an SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls
> every 1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by
> email or text message.
>
> I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or current, then set trip
> points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like UPS input voltage
> at the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V for more than
> 2 minutes.
>
> ---- Original Message 
> From: "Chuck McCown via AF"
> Sent: 5/8/2024 2:41:36 PM
> To: "TJ Trout" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
> So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue?  Traps?
>
>
>
> \Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
>
> Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and
> temp and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures
> you add a expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23?PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment
> alarm contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked
> the netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.
> Temps
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
>
> I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might
> be some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.
>
> However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is
> nearly universal (because some implementations are better than others).
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in
> one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest
> has.
>
>
>
> Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern
> stuff out

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Ken Hohhof]

As long as you support SMTP AUTH, I think that should be sufficient.  If 
necessary, someone could always create a Gmail account for this purpose.

 

Yes, there are some older devices that expect you to set them up as an MTA 
rather than MUA so they can send unauthenticated SMTP on port 25.  That sounds 
like a really bad plan to me unless you time travel back to maybe 1999.  I 
don’t want to be creating SPF and DKIM and DMARC records for a little contact 
monitoring box, and it sounds like a security nightmare.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

Some devices can be configured to send an email if a contact closes, but the 
way this happens varies between devices.

 

My problem with integrating this on the the sitemonitor platform has 
traditionally been that you need a rule system in order to determine when to 
send the email.  I.E. what threshold of voltage, and so on.   This is obviously 
easy in a on/off situation, but not so much in a voltage.   Plus you need 
additional rules so when the voltage is bouncing between 24.0 and 24.1 and you 
have the threshold set at 24.0 you don't get an email every time it flaps to 
24.0.All of this was impossible to do on the older hardware just because of 
code space limitations.  

 

The Base 3 has the resources to do this, but the firmware has not yet been 
completed.  There is a rules engine about 3/4 built for the sitemonitor system, 
how long until it sees the light of day, I don't know at this point.   The 
email itself is somewhat easy but I also need to provide some sort of email 
server resources for those who don't have an email system which will accept 
email from random devices.

 

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:55 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring system.

Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that an 
SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls every 
1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by email or 
text message.

I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or current, then set trip 
points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like UPS input voltage at 
the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V for more than 2 
minutes.

 Original Message 
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
Sent: 5/8/2024 2:41:36 PM
To: "TJ Trout" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue?  Traps?

 

\Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.  

 

 

From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Chuck McCown 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and temp 
and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures you add a 
expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of

 

On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23?PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment alarm 
contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked the 
netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.  Temps

 

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might be 
some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.

However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is nearly 
universal (because some implementations are better than others).

 

bp


On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in one of 
our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest has.  

 

Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern stuff 
out there we should be looking at?

 

 

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation 
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Ken Hohhof]

If you don’t need to monitor more than 100 “sensors”, PRTG has a free edition.  
Note it runs on Windows (doesn’t have to be Windows Server).

 

https://www.paessler.com/howto-free-network-monitoring

 

100 sensors is not the same as 100 devices.

 

The paid versions are kind of pricey.  Based on number of sensors, and renewing 
software maintenance is 25% of the upfront purchase price annually.  They also 
have a cloud hosted version but it ain’t cheap either.

 

But if you only need to monitor a few things, and have a suitable Windows box 
sitting around, it could be a solution for you.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

As others have mentioned, the existing firmware in the base 3's is basically 
SNMP-polling only.  The Base 3 was built to be able to do all of the other 
items, but the whole covid supply chain pretty much killed R around here for 
a couple years other than keeping product shipping.   It has finally resumed in 
earnest, but we're still working through catching up with upstream underlying 
firmware/RTOS updates at this point so I don't know when any additional 
features will make it out the door orther than a few that we know we need to 
get out asap (SNMP writes, auto-cycling of devices based on ping or voltages, 
etc).

 

So, with the existing firmware/software you can monitor all the things you 
mentioned; you'll just need an SNMP server to do so, and it will be polling 
only.

 

If you want onboard everything, yes, there are other solutions - such as the 
controlbyweb products.   Some do this onboard, some require an external 
cloud-based solution.

 

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 1:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue?  Traps?

 

\Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.  

 

 

From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Chuck McCown 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and temp 
and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures you add a 
expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of

 

On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment alarm 
contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked the 
netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.  Temps

 

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might be 
some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.

However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is nearly 
universal (because some implementations are better than others).

 

bp


On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in one of 
our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest has.  

 

Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern stuff 
out there we should be looking at?

 

 

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation 
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
www.mccowntech.com <http://www.mccowntech.com> 
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Some devices can be configured to send an email if a contact closes, but
the way this happens varies between devices.

My problem with integrating this on the the sitemonitor platform has
traditionally been that you need a rule system in order to determine when
to send the email.  I.E. what threshold of voltage, and so on.   This is
obviously easy in a on/off situation, but not so much in a voltage.   Plus
you need additional rules so when the voltage is bouncing between 24.0 and
24.1 and you have the threshold set at 24.0 you don't get an email every
time it flaps to 24.0.All of this was impossible to do on the older
hardware just because of code space limitations.

The Base 3 has the resources to do this, but the firmware has not yet been
completed.  There is a rules engine about 3/4 built for the sitemonitor
system, how long until it sees the light of day, I don't know at this
point.   The email itself is somewhat easy but I also need to provide some
sort of email server resources for those who don't have an email system
which will accept email from random devices.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:55 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring system.
>
> Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that
> an SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls
> every 1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by
> email or text message.
>
> I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or current, then set trip
> points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like UPS input voltage
> at the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V for more than
> 2 minutes.
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Chuck McCown via AF"
> Sent: 5/8/2024 2:41:36 PM
> To: "TJ Trout" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
> So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue?  Traps?
>
> \Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.
>
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
> Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and
> temp and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures
> you add a expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23?PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment
>> alarm contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked
>> the netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.
>> Temps
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>>
>>
>> I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might
>> be some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.
>>
>> However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is
>> nearly universal (because some implementations are better than others).
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>> We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in
>> one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest
>> has.
>>
>> Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern
>> stuff out there we should be looking at?
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Chuck McCown
>>
>> McCown Technology Corporation
>> 8401 N Commerce Dr
>> Lake Point, Utah 84074
>> 801-250-9503 Office
>> 435-830-4306 Cell
>> www.mccowntech.com
>> www.microtrench.pro
>> www.terabitnetworks.com
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

As others have mentioned, the existing firmware in the base 3's is
basically SNMP-polling only.  The Base 3 was built to be able to do all of
the other items, but the whole covid supply chain pretty much killed R
around here for a couple years other than keeping product shipping.   It
has finally resumed in earnest, but we're still working through catching up
with upstream underlying firmware/RTOS updates at this point so I don't
know when any additional features will make it out the door orther than a
few that we know we need to get out asap (SNMP writes, auto-cycling of
devices based on ping or voltages, etc).

So, with the existing firmware/software you can monitor all the things you
mentioned; you'll just need an SNMP server to do so, and it will be polling
only.

If you want onboard everything, yes, there are other solutions - such as
the controlbyweb products.   Some do this onboard, some require an external
cloud-based solution.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 1:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue?  Traps?
>
> \Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.
>
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
> Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and
> temp and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures
> you add a expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment
>> alarm contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked
>> the netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.
>> Temps
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>>
>>
>> I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might
>> be some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.
>>
>> However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is
>> nearly universal (because some implementations are better than others).
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>> We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in
>> one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest
>> has.
>>
>> Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern
>> stuff out there we should be looking at?
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Chuck McCown
>>
>> McCown Technology Corporation
>> 8401 N Commerce Dr
>> Lake Point, Utah 84074
>> 801-250-9503 Office
>> 435-830-4306 Cell
>> www.mccowntech.com
>> www.microtrench.pro
>> www.terabitnetworks.com
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Ken Hohhof]

Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring 
system.Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that 
an SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls 
every 1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by 
email or text message.I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or 
current, then set trip points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like 
UPS input voltage at the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V 
for more than 2 minutes. Original Message From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
Sent: 5/8/2024 2:41:36 PMTo: "TJ Trout" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Cc: chuck@go-mtc.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP



So how do Forrest?s products let you know of an issue?? Traps?
?
\Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.? 
?


?

From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
?

Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and 
temp and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures you 
add a expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of
?

On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23?PM Chuck McCown via AF 
 wrote:

  
  
  
  No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment 
  alarm contacts.? Circuit breaker alarms.? That is why historically I 
  liked the netguardian product.? It eats everything.? Monitors DC 
  voltages etc.? Temps
  ?
  ?
  
  
  ?
  
  From: Bill Prince 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
  ?
  
  I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might 
  be some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.
  However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is nearly 
  universal (because some implementations are better than others).
  ?bp

  On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
  


We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts 
in one of our sites.? In the past I used Netguardians.? Not sure 
what Forrest has.? 
?
Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more 
modern stuff out there we should be looking at?
?
?
Best 
Regards,Chuck McCownMcCown Technology Corporation 8401 N 
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Thanks, I am going to take a look at the 408 ControlByWeb unit.  
It would get us there.  


From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: TJ Trout ; Josh Luthman ; Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

Chuck, the PacketFlux products are great for many use cases but I'm not sure 
this is one of them as the non-GPS-sync built in functionality in PF units is 
very basic.

Look at the ControlByWeb products, amusingly their location in Nibley UT is not 
far from you. I think their X-408 is cost effective at $250 and with 8 digital 
inputs and e-mail notifications etc. probably would serve this case well.

There is also the Ethertek RMS-100, RMS-200 OR RMS-300 or the Tycon 
TPDIN-monitor-web3 series.



On Wed, May 8, 2024, 2:24 p.m. Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  Maybe Forrest will jump on here for a sales pitch.  At a minimum I need 
contact closures.  But temp and DC voltage monitoring would be handy.  Not sure 
the differences in all his products.  Email notification would probably be the 
best for me.  

  From: TJ Trout 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:15 PM
  To: Josh Luthman 
  Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

  I would prefer packet flux since it's made in the USA but I don't believe 
they have on board email, if you don't want to deploy an SNMP server this might 
be an option  

  https://tyconsystems.com/homepage/shop/tpdin-monitor-web3/


  On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:10 PM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

What does the alarm contact offer?  Just SNMP?  If so, you need to figure 
out if the alarm contact is going to be changing the OID or not.  Some software 
works better in this situation.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 3:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  We have nothing at the moment.  So before I purchased a netguardian I 
though I would ping the borg to see if there is a cheaper or simpler system.  

  We recently discovered that we had a rectifier fault and an inverter 
fault so our system goes down during a power failure while waiting for the 
generator to start.  I decided that we should probably monitor alarms.  


  From: TJ Trout 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 12:47 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

  What's the use case? Do you have an existing snmp system? Sometimes a box 
with built in email client is less of a hassle, I'm sure there are cloud 
solutions as well. 

  On Wed, May 8, 2024, 11:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts 
in one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest 
has.  

Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more 
modern stuff out there we should be looking at?


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Chuck McCown

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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Colin Stanners]

Chuck, the PacketFlux products are great for many use cases but I'm not
sure this is one of them as the non-GPS-sync built in functionality in PF
units is very basic.

Look at the ControlByWeb products, amusingly their location in Nibley UT is
not far from you. I think their X-408 is cost effective at $250 and with 8
digital inputs and e-mail notifications etc. probably would serve this case
well.

There is also the Ethertek RMS-100, RMS-200 OR RMS-300 or the Tycon
TPDIN-monitor-web3 series.


On Wed, May 8, 2024, 2:24 p.m. Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Maybe Forrest will jump on here for a sales pitch.  At a minimum I need
> contact closures.  But temp and DC voltage monitoring would be handy.  Not
> sure the differences in all his products.  Email notification would
> probably be the best for me.
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:15 PM
> *To:* Josh Luthman
> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
> I would prefer packet flux since it's made in the USA but I don't believe
> they have on board email, if you don't want to deploy an SNMP server this
> might be an option
>
> https://tyconsystems.com/homepage/shop/tpdin-monitor-web3/
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:10 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> What does the alarm contact offer?  Just SNMP?  If so, you need to figure
>> out if the alarm contact is going to be changing the OID or not.  Some
>> software works better in this situation.
>>
>> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 3:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We have nothing at the moment.  So before I purchased a netguardian I
>>> though I would ping the borg to see if there is a cheaper or simpler
>>> system.
>>>
>>> We recently discovered that we had a rectifier fault and an inverter
>>> fault so our system goes down during a power failure while waiting for the
>>> generator to start.  I decided that we should probably monitor alarms.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* TJ Trout
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 12:47 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>>>
>>> What's the use case? Do you have an existing snmp system? Sometimes a
>>> box with built in email client is less of a hassle, I'm sure there are
>>> cloud solutions as well.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 11:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts
>>>> in one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what
>>>> Forrest has.
>>>>
>>>> Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more
>>>> modern stuff out there we should be looking at?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Chuck McCown
>>>>
>>>> McCown Technology Corporation
>>>> 8401 N Commerce Dr
>>>> Lake Point, Utah 84074
>>>> 801-250-9503 Office
>>>> 435-830-4306 Cell
>>>> www.mccowntech.com
>>>> www.microtrench.pro
>>>> www.terabitnetworks.com
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue?  Traps?

\Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.  


From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and temp 
and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures you add a 
expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of

On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment alarm 
contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked the 
netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.  Temps



  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

  I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might be 
some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.

  However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is nearly 
universal (because some implementations are better than others).



bp
On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in 
one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest has. 
 

Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern 
stuff out there we should be looking at?


Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation 
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
www.mccowntech.com
www.microtrench.pro
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[TJ Trout]

Packet flux can do it all too, the base unit can monitor two voltages and
temp and a few contact closures, if you need more volt inputs or closures
you add a expansion unit. No email that I'm aware of

On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:23 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment
> alarm contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked
> the netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.
> Temps
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
> I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might
> be some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.
>
> However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is
> nearly universal (because some implementations are better than others).
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in
> one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest
> has.
>
> Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern
> stuff out there we should be looking at?
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Chuck McCown
>
> McCown Technology Corporation
> 8401 N Commerce Dr
> Lake Point, Utah 84074
> 801-250-9503 Office
> 435-830-4306 Cell
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Maybe Forrest will jump on here for a sales pitch.  At a minimum I need contact 
closures.  But temp and DC voltage monitoring would be handy.  Not sure the 
differences in all his products.  Email notification would probably be the best 
for me.  

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:15 PM
To: Josh Luthman 
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

I would prefer packet flux since it's made in the USA but I don't believe they 
have on board email, if you don't want to deploy an SNMP server this might be 
an option  

https://tyconsystems.com/homepage/shop/tpdin-monitor-web3/


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  What does the alarm contact offer?  Just SNMP?  If so, you need to figure out 
if the alarm contact is going to be changing the OID or not.  Some software 
works better in this situation.

  On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 3:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

We have nothing at the moment.  So before I purchased a netguardian I 
though I would ping the borg to see if there is a cheaper or simpler system.  

We recently discovered that we had a rectifier fault and an inverter fault 
so our system goes down during a power failure while waiting for the generator 
to start.  I decided that we should probably monitor alarms.  


From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 12:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

What's the use case? Do you have an existing snmp system? Sometimes a box 
with built in email client is less of a hassle, I'm sure there are cloud 
solutions as well. 

On Wed, May 8, 2024, 11:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in 
one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest has. 
 

  Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern 
stuff out there we should be looking at?


  Best Regards,
  Chuck McCown

  McCown Technology Corporation 
  8401 N Commerce Dr
  Lake Point, Utah 84074
  801-250-9503 Office
  435-830-4306 Cell
  www.mccowntech.com
  www.microtrench.pro
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

No, we have fuse alarms, rectifier, inverter, and other comm equipment alarm 
contacts.  Circuit breaker alarms.  That is why historically I liked the 
netguardian product.  It eats everything.  Monitors DC voltages etc.  Temps



From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:13 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there might be 
some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.

However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is nearly 
universal (because some implementations are better than others).



bp
On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

  We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in one 
of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest has.  

  Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern 
stuff out there we should be looking at?


  Best Regards,
  Chuck McCown

  McCown Technology Corporation 
  8401 N Commerce Dr
  Lake Point, Utah 84074
  801-250-9503 Office
  435-830-4306 Cell
  www.mccowntech.com
  www.microtrench.pro
  www.terabitnetworks.com

   



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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[TJ Trout]

I would prefer packet flux since it's made in the USA but I don't believe
they have on board email, if you don't want to deploy an SNMP server this
might be an option

https://tyconsystems.com/homepage/shop/tpdin-monitor-web3/

On Wed, May 8, 2024, 12:10 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> What does the alarm contact offer?  Just SNMP?  If so, you need to figure
> out if the alarm contact is going to be changing the OID or not.  Some
> software works better in this situation.
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 3:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> We have nothing at the moment.  So before I purchased a netguardian I
>> though I would ping the borg to see if there is a cheaper or simpler
>> system.
>>
>> We recently discovered that we had a rectifier fault and an inverter
>> fault so our system goes down during a power failure while waiting for the
>> generator to start.  I decided that we should probably monitor alarms.
>>
>>
>> *From:* TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 12:47 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>>
>> What's the use case? Do you have an existing snmp system? Sometimes a box
>> with built in email client is less of a hassle, I'm sure there are cloud
>> solutions as well.
>>
>> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 11:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in
>>> one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest
>>> has.
>>>
>>> Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more
>>> modern stuff out there we should be looking at?
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Chuck McCown
>>>
>>> McCown Technology Corporation
>>> 8401 N Commerce Dr
>>> Lake Point, Utah 84074
>>> 801-250-9503 Office
>>> 435-830-4306 Cell
>>> www.mccowntech.com
>>> www.microtrench.pro
>>> www.terabitnetworks.com
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Bill Prince]

I think if your installed equipment all came from one vendor, there 
might be some way to do their proprietary monitoring solution.


However, SNMP as flawed as it might be, is the only standard that is 
nearly universal (because some implementations are better than others).



bp


On 5/8/2024 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts 
in one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what 
Forrest has.
Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more 
modern stuff out there we should be looking at?

Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

The alarms come off various devices.  They are generally contact closures.  We 
need to route those to something.  Netguardians will take a wide variety of 
discrete inputs, analog voltages, ethernet pings etc.  And it puts out things 
link SNMP traps and even pots dial up pager type of notification.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: TJ Trout ; ch...@go-mtc.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

What does the alarm contact offer?  Just SNMP?  If so, you need to figure out 
if the alarm contact is going to be changing the OID or not.  Some software 
works better in this situation.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 3:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  We have nothing at the moment.  So before I purchased a netguardian I though 
I would ping the borg to see if there is a cheaper or simpler system.  

  We recently discovered that we had a rectifier fault and an inverter fault so 
our system goes down during a power failure while waiting for the generator to 
start.  I decided that we should probably monitor alarms.  


  From: TJ Trout 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 12:47 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

  What's the use case? Do you have an existing snmp system? Sometimes a box 
with built in email client is less of a hassle, I'm sure there are cloud 
solutions as well. 

  On Wed, May 8, 2024, 11:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in 
one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest has. 
 

Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern 
stuff out there we should be looking at?


Best Regards,
Chuck McCown

McCown Technology Corporation 
8401 N Commerce Dr
Lake Point, Utah 84074
801-250-9503 Office
435-830-4306 Cell
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Josh Luthman]

What does the alarm contact offer?  Just SNMP?  If so, you need to figure
out if the alarm contact is going to be changing the OID or not.  Some
software works better in this situation.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 3:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> We have nothing at the moment.  So before I purchased a netguardian I
> though I would ping the borg to see if there is a cheaper or simpler
> system.
>
> We recently discovered that we had a rectifier fault and an inverter fault
> so our system goes down during a power failure while waiting for the
> generator to start.  I decided that we should probably monitor alarms.
>
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 12:47 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
> What's the use case? Do you have an existing snmp system? Sometimes a box
> with built in email client is less of a hassle, I'm sure there are cloud
> solutions as well.
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024, 11:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in
>> one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest
>> has.
>>
>> Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern
>> stuff out there we should be looking at?
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Chuck McCown
>>
>> McCown Technology Corporation
>> 8401 N Commerce Dr
>> Lake Point, Utah 84074
>> 801-250-9503 Office
>> 435-830-4306 Cell
>> www.mccowntech.com
>> www.microtrench.pro
>> www.terabitnetworks.com
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

We have nothing at the moment.  So before I purchased a netguardian I though I 
would ping the borg to see if there is a cheaper or simpler system.  

We recently discovered that we had a rectifier fault and an inverter fault so 
our system goes down during a power failure while waiting for the generator to 
start.  I decided that we should probably monitor alarms.  


From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 12:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

What's the use case? Do you have an existing snmp system? Sometimes a box with 
built in email client is less of a hassle, I'm sure there are cloud solutions 
as well. 

On Wed, May 8, 2024, 11:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in one 
of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest has.  

  Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern 
stuff out there we should be looking at?


  Best Regards,
  Chuck McCown

  McCown Technology Corporation 
  8401 N Commerce Dr
  Lake Point, Utah 84074
  801-250-9503 Office
  435-830-4306 Cell
  www.mccowntech.com
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[TJ Trout]

What's the use case? Do you have an existing snmp system? Sometimes a box
with built in email client is less of a hassle, I'm sure there are cloud
solutions as well.

On Wed, May 8, 2024, 11:44 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in
> one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest
> has.
>
> Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern
> stuff out there we should be looking at?
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Chuck McCown
>
> McCown Technology Corporation
> 8401 N Commerce Dr
> Lake Point, Utah 84074
> 801-250-9503 Office
> 435-830-4306 Cell
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP AC Current Monitoring

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Although I'm not sure about a lot of those newfangled words, but we really
did need a word to cover all of the crap one has to do when hiring a new
employee  i-9, w-4, this paperwork that paperwork, getting all of the
accounts set up, making sure they have access to the files, doing intitial
training, etc. etc. etc.    Not sure onboarding is the right term but
it's as good as any.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 7:22 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Onboarding, one of those newfangled words like enplaning and deplaning.
>
>
>
> Maybe you can hire Julie, Isaac and Doc to welcome them aboard, while you
> play the Packetflux theme song.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:52 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP AC Current Monitoring
>
>
>
> No he's just so buried under year end, and onboarding new employees, and a
> whole bunch of other crap that he's not watching the lists like normal.
>
>
>
> In re the original thread, there are a couple commercial tranducers I plan
> on directly supporting at some point, maybe these new employees will
> eventually make my load less
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 7:01 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Did forrest die?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 7:45 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> Site monitor with a clamp on current transformer,
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 16, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> >
> > Since the Demise of the UBNT MFI, what's out there for easy current
> monitoring for AC Circuits.  Drop some clamps on wires at the panel and
> read them via SNMP.
> >
> > I have an Accuenergy device on the Mains of the panel, but their
> products seem to be more for mains applications, not individual circuits.
> I don't really even care about voltage or power or metering.  Really what I
> want to see is how often my Aircon unit cycles on and off.  The unit isn't
> smart enough to tell me how often it runs, and it doesn't make enough extra
> load on the mains meter to see it above the normal draw.  So I want to
> clamp a set of meters right on that circuit so I can see when it cycles the
> compressor on and off.
> >
> > I'm still using MFI on another system, and it's still plugging away and
> giving me good data.  So if UBNT was able to do it, I'm guessing someone
> else can do it on the cheap too.
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP AC Current Monitoring

[Nate Burke]

At least he's not 'unpacking'  For whatever reason it grates on me like 
nails on a chalkboard whenever someone uses that in a presentation.


On 12/17/2020 9:18 AM, James Howard wrote:


How can you call deplane a newfangled word?  Fantasy Island ran from 
77-84 and every episode I ever had the misfortune to watch started 
with the dwarf guy yelling “deplane deplane”……


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2020 8:22 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP AC Current Monitoring

Onboarding, one of those newfangled words like enplaning and deplaning.

Maybe you can hire Julie, Isaac and Doc to welcome them aboard, while 
you play the Packetflux theme song.


*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> 
*On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian (List Account)

*Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:52 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP AC Current Monitoring

No he's just so buried under year end, and onboarding new employees, 
and a whole bunch of other crap that he's not watching the lists like 
normal.


In re the original thread, there are a couple commercial tranducers I 
plan on directly supporting at some point, maybe these new employees 
will eventually make my load less


On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 7:01 PM Steve Jones <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Did forrest die?

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 7:45 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

Site monitor with a clamp on current transformer,

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 16, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
>
> Since the Demise of the UBNT MFI, what's out there for easy
current monitoring for AC Circuits. Drop some clamps on wires
at the panel and read them via SNMP.
>
> I have an Accuenergy device on the Mains of the panel, but
their products seem to be more for mains applications, not
individual circuits.  I don't really even care about voltage
or power or metering.  Really what I want to see is how often
my Aircon unit cycles on and off.  The unit isn't smart enough
to tell me how often it runs, and it doesn't make enough extra
load on the mains meter to see it above the normal draw.  So I
want to clamp a set of meters right on that circuit so I can
see when it cycles the compressor on and off.
>
> I'm still using MFI on another system, and it's still
plugging away and giving me good data.  So if UBNT was able to
do it, I'm guessing someone else can do it on the cheap too.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP AC Current Monitoring

[James Howard]

How can you call deplane a newfangled word?  Fantasy Island ran from 77-84 and 
every episode I ever had the misfortune to watch started with the dwarf guy 
yelling “deplane deplane”……

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 8:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP AC Current Monitoring

Onboarding, one of those newfangled words like enplaning and deplaning.

Maybe you can hire Julie, Isaac and Doc to welcome them aboard, while you play 
the Packetflux theme song.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP AC Current Monitoring

No he's just so buried under year end, and onboarding new employees, and a 
whole bunch of other crap that he's not watching the lists like normal.

In re the original thread, there are a couple commercial tranducers I plan on 
directly supporting at some point, maybe these new employees will eventually 
make my load less

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 7:01 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Did forrest die?

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 7:45 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Site monitor with a clamp on current transformer,

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 16, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Nate Burke 
> mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
>
> Since the Demise of the UBNT MFI, what's out there for easy current 
> monitoring for AC Circuits.  Drop some clamps on wires at the panel and read 
> them via SNMP.
>
> I have an Accuenergy device on the Mains of the panel, but their products 
> seem to be more for mains applications, not individual circuits.  I don't 
> really even care about voltage or power or metering.  Really what I want to 
> see is how often my Aircon unit cycles on and off.  The unit isn't smart 
> enough to tell me how often it runs, and it doesn't make enough extra load on 
> the mains meter to see it above the normal draw.  So I want to clamp a set of 
> meters right on that circuit so I can see when it cycles the compressor on 
> and off.
>
> I'm still using MFI on another system, and it's still plugging away and 
> giving me good data.  So if UBNT was able to do it, I'm guessing someone else 
> can do it on the cheap too.
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP AC Current Monitoring

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Onboarding, one of those newfangled words like enplaning and deplaning.

 

Maybe you can hire Julie, Isaac and Doc to welcome them aboard, while you play 
the Packetflux theme song.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP AC Current Monitoring

 

No he's just so buried under year end, and onboarding new employees, and a 
whole bunch of other crap that he's not watching the lists like normal.

 

In re the original thread, there are a couple commercial tranducers I plan on 
directly supporting at some point, maybe these new employees will eventually 
make my load less

 

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 7:01 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Did forrest die?

 

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 7:45 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

Site monitor with a clamp on current transformer,

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 16, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Nate Burke  <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:
> 
> Since the Demise of the UBNT MFI, what's out there for easy current 
> monitoring for AC Circuits.  Drop some clamps on wires at the panel and read 
> them via SNMP.
> 
> I have an Accuenergy device on the Mains of the panel, but their products 
> seem to be more for mains applications, not individual circuits.  I don't 
> really even care about voltage or power or metering.  Really what I want to 
> see is how often my Aircon unit cycles on and off.  The unit isn't smart 
> enough to tell me how often it runs, and it doesn't make enough extra load on 
> the mains meter to see it above the normal draw.  So I want to clamp a set of 
> meters right on that circuit so I can see when it cycles the compressor on 
> and off.
> 
> I'm still using MFI on another system, and it's still plugging away and 
> giving me good data.  So if UBNT was able to do it, I'm guessing someone else 
> can do it on the cheap too.
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP AC Current Monitoring

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No he's just so buried under year end, and onboarding new employees, and a
whole bunch of other crap that he's not watching the lists like normal.

In re the original thread, there are a couple commercial tranducers I plan
on directly supporting at some point, maybe these new employees will
eventually make my load less

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 7:01 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Did forrest die?
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 7:45 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> Site monitor with a clamp on current transformer,
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Dec 16, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>> >
>> > Since the Demise of the UBNT MFI, what's out there for easy current
>> monitoring for AC Circuits.  Drop some clamps on wires at the panel and
>> read them via SNMP.
>> >
>> > I have an Accuenergy device on the Mains of the panel, but their
>> products seem to be more for mains applications, not individual circuits.
>> I don't really even care about voltage or power or metering.  Really what I
>> want to see is how often my Aircon unit cycles on and off.  The unit isn't
>> smart enough to tell me how often it runs, and it doesn't make enough extra
>> load on the mains meter to see it above the normal draw.  So I want to
>> clamp a set of meters right on that circuit so I can see when it cycles the
>> compressor on and off.
>> >
>> > I'm still using MFI on another system, and it's still plugging away and
>> giving me good data.  So if UBNT was able to do it, I'm guessing someone
>> else can do it on the cheap too.
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP AC Current Monitoring

[Zach Underwood]

Iotawatt device is a spin out of https://openenergymonitor.org/ with works
with there emoncms (you can run on-site for free or cloud for a fee)which
is how I use it. The iotawatt device also supports infuxdb so you can
connect something like home assistant or grifana.

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 7:44 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I know Forrest has got the DC shunts, but I don't think he has anything
> for AC or Clamp on.
>
> The Iotawatt looks interesting.  How hard was it to setup?  Do you just
> create a cloud account and it automagically sends everything there?
>
> On 12/16/2020 6:21 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Forrest... has anyone seen forrest?
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 6:05 PM Zach Underwood  wrote:
>
>> While it does not support snmp they may work https://iotawatt.com/# I
>> use it with infuxdb and home assistant. It will support up to 14 ct clamps.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 6:12 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> Since the Demise of the UBNT MFI, what's out there for easy current
>>> monitoring for AC Circuits.  Drop some clamps on wires at the panel and
>>> read them via SNMP.
>>>
>>> I have an Accuenergy device on the Mains of the panel, but their
>>> products seem to be more for mains applications, not individual
>>> circuits.  I don't really even care about voltage or power or metering.
>>> Really what I want to see is how often my Aircon unit cycles on and
>>> off.  The unit isn't smart enough to tell me how often it runs, and it
>>> doesn't make enough extra load on the mains meter to see it above the
>>> normal draw.  So I want to clamp a set of meters right on that circuit
>>> so I can see when it cycles the compressor on and off.
>>>
>>> I'm still using MFI on another system, and it's still plugging away and
>>> giving me good data.  So if UBNT was able to do it, I'm guessing someone
>>> else can do it on the cheap too.
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP AC Current Monitoring

[Steve Jones]

Did forrest die?

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 7:45 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Site monitor with a clamp on current transformer,
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 16, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> >
> > Since the Demise of the UBNT MFI, what's out there for easy current
> monitoring for AC Circuits.  Drop some clamps on wires at the panel and
> read them via SNMP.
> >
> > I have an Accuenergy device on the Mains of the panel, but their
> products seem to be more for mains applications, not individual circuits.
> I don't really even care about voltage or power or metering.  Really what I
> want to see is how often my Aircon unit cycles on and off.  The unit isn't
> smart enough to tell me how often it runs, and it doesn't make enough extra
> load on the mains meter to see it above the normal draw.  So I want to
> clamp a set of meters right on that circuit so I can see when it cycles the
> compressor on and off.
> >
> > I'm still using MFI on another system, and it's still plugging away and
> giving me good data.  So if UBNT was able to do it, I'm guessing someone
> else can do it on the cheap too.
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP AC Current Monitoring

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Site monitor with a clamp on current transformer,

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 16, 2020, at 4:11 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> 
> Since the Demise of the UBNT MFI, what's out there for easy current 
> monitoring for AC Circuits.  Drop some clamps on wires at the panel and read 
> them via SNMP.
> 
> I have an Accuenergy device on the Mains of the panel, but their products 
> seem to be more for mains applications, not individual circuits.  I don't 
> really even care about voltage or power or metering.  Really what I want to 
> see is how often my Aircon unit cycles on and off.  The unit isn't smart 
> enough to tell me how often it runs, and it doesn't make enough extra load on 
> the mains meter to see it above the normal draw.  So I want to clamp a set of 
> meters right on that circuit so I can see when it cycles the compressor on 
> and off.
> 
> I'm still using MFI on another system, and it's still plugging away and 
> giving me good data.  So if UBNT was able to do it, I'm guessing someone else 
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP AC Current Monitoring

[Seth Mattinen]

On 12/16/20 4:43 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
I know Forrest has got the DC shunts, but I don't think he has anything 
for AC or Clamp on.




You could use an AC current transducer with 0-10 VDC output.

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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP AC Current Monitoring

[Bill Prince]

  
  
The A/D converters on a SiteMonitor only do DC. You would have to
  rectify the current going through the shunt, and then bias the
  measurement to accommodate the difference.


bp

On 12/16/2020 4:43 PM, Nate Burke
  wrote:


  
  I know Forrest has got the DC shunts, but I don't think he has
  anything for AC or Clamp on.  
  
  The Iotawatt looks interesting.  How hard was it to setup?  Do you
  just create a cloud account and it automagically sends everything
  there?  
  
  On 12/16/2020 6:21 PM, Steve Jones
wrote:
  
  
Forrest... has anyone seen forrest?


  On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 6:05
PM Zach Underwood 
wrote:
  
  
While it does not support snmp they may
  work https://iotawatt.com/#
  I use it with infuxdb and home assistant. It will support
  up to 14 ct clamps.


  On Wed, Dec 16, 2020,
6:12 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
  
  Since
the Demise of the UBNT MFI, what's out there for easy
current 
monitoring for AC Circuits.  Drop some clamps on wires
at the panel and 
read them via SNMP.

I have an Accuenergy device on the Mains of the panel,
but their 
products seem to be more for mains applications, not
individual 
circuits.  I don't really even care about voltage or
power or metering.  
Really what I want to see is how often my Aircon unit
cycles on and 
off.  The unit isn't smart enough to tell me how often
it runs, and it 
doesn't make enough extra load on the mains meter to see
it above the 
normal draw.  So I want to clamp a set of meters right
on that circuit 
so I can see when it cycles the compressor on and off.

I'm still using MFI on another system, and it's still
plugging away and 
giving me good data.  So if UBNT was able to do it, I'm
guessing someone 
else can do it on the cheap too.

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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP AC Current Monitoring

[Nate Burke]

I know Forrest has got the DC shunts, but I don't think he has anything 
for AC or Clamp on.


The Iotawatt looks interesting.  How hard was it to setup?  Do you just 
create a cloud account and it automagically sends everything there?


On 12/16/2020 6:21 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

Forrest... has anyone seen forrest?

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 6:05 PM Zach Underwood > wrote:


While it does not support snmp they may work
https://iotawatt.com/# I use it with infuxdb and home assistant.
It will support up to 14 ct clamps.

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 6:12 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

Since the Demise of the UBNT MFI, what's out there for easy
current
monitoring for AC Circuits.  Drop some clamps on wires at the
panel and
read them via SNMP.

I have an Accuenergy device on the Mains of the panel, but their
products seem to be more for mains applications, not individual
circuits.  I don't really even care about voltage or power or
metering.
Really what I want to see is how often my Aircon unit cycles
on and
off.  The unit isn't smart enough to tell me how often it
runs, and it
doesn't make enough extra load on the mains meter to see it
above the
normal draw.  So I want to clamp a set of meters right on that
circuit
so I can see when it cycles the compressor on and off.

I'm still using MFI on another system, and it's still plugging
away and
giving me good data.  So if UBNT was able to do it, I'm
guessing someone
else can do it on the cheap too.

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[Steve Jones]

Forrest... has anyone seen forrest?

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 6:05 PM Zach Underwood  wrote:

> While it does not support snmp they may work https://iotawatt.com/# I use
> it with infuxdb and home assistant. It will support up to 14 ct clamps.
>
> On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 6:12 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> Since the Demise of the UBNT MFI, what's out there for easy current
>> monitoring for AC Circuits.  Drop some clamps on wires at the panel and
>> read them via SNMP.
>>
>> I have an Accuenergy device on the Mains of the panel, but their
>> products seem to be more for mains applications, not individual
>> circuits.  I don't really even care about voltage or power or metering.
>> Really what I want to see is how often my Aircon unit cycles on and
>> off.  The unit isn't smart enough to tell me how often it runs, and it
>> doesn't make enough extra load on the mains meter to see it above the
>> normal draw.  So I want to clamp a set of meters right on that circuit
>> so I can see when it cycles the compressor on and off.
>>
>> I'm still using MFI on another system, and it's still plugging away and
>> giving me good data.  So if UBNT was able to do it, I'm guessing someone
>> else can do it on the cheap too.
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP AC Current Monitoring

[Zach Underwood]

While it does not support snmp they may work https://iotawatt.com/# I use
it with infuxdb and home assistant. It will support up to 14 ct clamps.

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 6:12 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Since the Demise of the UBNT MFI, what's out there for easy current
> monitoring for AC Circuits.  Drop some clamps on wires at the panel and
> read them via SNMP.
>
> I have an Accuenergy device on the Mains of the panel, but their
> products seem to be more for mains applications, not individual
> circuits.  I don't really even care about voltage or power or metering.
> Really what I want to see is how often my Aircon unit cycles on and
> off.  The unit isn't smart enough to tell me how often it runs, and it
> doesn't make enough extra load on the mains meter to see it above the
> normal draw.  So I want to clamp a set of meters right on that circuit
> so I can see when it cycles the compressor on and off.
>
> I'm still using MFI on another system, and it's still plugging away and
> giving me good data.  So if UBNT was able to do it, I'm guessing someone
> else can do it on the cheap too.
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Re: [AFMUG] snmp

[chuck]

I have PRTG running right now.  Just don’t want to leave my desktop running.  

From: Eric Muehleisen 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 3:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] snmp

PRTG is pig simple and lets you monitor 10 free sensors. Can be interface 
monitoring or custom OID. Whatever as long as it's 10 or less.

Someone also mentioned STG. By far the easiest but only supports v1.


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[chuck]

That is what I was considering.  That presumes I am smart enough to set it up.  

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 3:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] snmp

Or were you talking more of historical monitoring.  Then just run MRTG on your 
box with a simple webserver.  


On 9/21/2020 4:03 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

  Going to sound cheesy, but I've been using this for years.  

  stg  from leonidvm.chat.ru  Hasn't been updated in 20 years.  Only works with 
SNMPv1.  But it works, and just works.  Any OID just turn it on, say how often 
to poll and it will graph it.  




  On 9/21/2020 3:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Monitoring bandwidth on ethernet interfaces.
Also I would like to load it on something where I can get in and take a 
look but I don’t have to have it running on my desk top.
So thinking of perhaps some kind of raspberry PI device but would like to 
see a gui with the graphs.  

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 2:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] snmp

To do what?  Single reads, or continuous monitoring?  Read/write?


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Re: [AFMUG] snmp

[Adam Moffett]

Oh I suppose "The Dude" needs an honorable mention.

The client runs on Windows, but the server/monitoring agent runs on 
RouterOS.  You can run it on certain routerboards or an x86 Virtual 
Machine.  So depending on what you mean by "windows monitoring tool" 
this might count.


It does a pretty good job for being free.  Monitoring the volume of 
traffic on an interface is easy with The Dude, but charting other stuff 
can be very tedious to set up.  You add each OID you want to measure as 
a "data source" and then create a chart and add the data sources to the 
chart.  If you want to chart RSSI on 100 different devices that means 
you have to create 100 different data sources.so that's where the 
tedium happens.



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Re: [AFMUG] snmp

[Eric Muehleisen]

PRTG is pig simple and lets you monitor 10 free sensors. Can be interface
monitoring or custom OID. Whatever as long as it's 10 or less.

Someone also mentioned STG. By far the easiest but only supports v1.

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Re: [AFMUG] snmp

[Steve Jones]

v7 is antiquated so i dont know if the newer versions run on windows, but
te last i checked, an equivalent license to our v7 was around 14k, but
thats unlimited devices on a perpetual license

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 4:16 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> How much does that cost? Ballpark?
> On 9/21/2020 5:12 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> snmpc v7
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 4:11 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> Or were you talking more of historical monitoring.  Then just run MRTG on
>> your box with a simple webserver.
>>
>> On 9/21/2020 4:03 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>
>> Going to sound cheesy, but I've been using this for years.
>>
>> stg  from leonidvm.chat.ru  Hasn't been updated in 20 years.  Only works
>> with SNMPv1.  But it works, and just works.  Any OID just turn it on, say
>> how often to poll and it will graph it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/21/2020 3:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Monitoring bandwidth on ethernet interfaces.
>> Also I would like to load it on something where I can get in and take a
>> look but I don’t have to have it running on my desk top.
>> So thinking of perhaps some kind of raspberry PI device but would like to
>> see a gui with the graphs.
>>
>> *From:* Nate Burke
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2020 2:51 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] snmp
>>
>> To do what?  Single reads, or continuous monitoring?  Read/write?
>>
>> On 9/21/2020 3:49 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> What is the preferred snmp windows monitoring tool?
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Re: [AFMUG] snmp

[Adam Moffett]

For Windows the only thing I'm aware of is Solar Winds.


On 9/21/2020 4:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Monitoring bandwidth on ethernet interfaces.
Also I would like to load it on something where I can get in and take 
a look but I don’t have to have it running on my desk top.
So thinking of perhaps some kind of raspberry PI device but would like 
to see a gui with the graphs.

*From:* Nate Burke
*Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2020 2:51 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] snmp
To do what?  Single reads, or continuous monitoring?  Read/write?

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Re: [AFMUG] snmp

[Adam Moffett]

How much does that cost? Ballpark?

On 9/21/2020 5:12 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

snmpc v7

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 4:11 PM Nate Burke <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:


Or were you talking more of historical monitoring.  Then just run
MRTG on your box with a simple webserver.

On 9/21/2020 4:03 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

Going to sound cheesy, but I've been using this for years.

stg  from leonidvm.chat.ru <http://leonidvm.chat.ru> Hasn't been
updated in 20 years.  Only works with SNMPv1. But it works, and
just works.  Any OID just turn it on, say how often to poll and
it will graph it.



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Monitoring bandwidth on ethernet interfaces.
Also I would like to load it on something where I can get in and
take a look but I don’t have to have it running on my desk top.
So thinking of perhaps some kind of raspberry PI device but
would like to see a gui with the graphs.
*From:* Nate Burke
*Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2020 2:51 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] snmp
To do what?  Single reads, or continuous monitoring? Read/write?

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Re: [AFMUG] snmp

[Josh Luthman]

Just run Powercode...

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 5:14 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> snmpc v7
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 4:11 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> Or were you talking more of historical monitoring.  Then just run MRTG on
>> your box with a simple webserver.
>>
>> On 9/21/2020 4:03 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>
>> Going to sound cheesy, but I've been using this for years.
>>
>> stg  from leonidvm.chat.ru  Hasn't been updated in 20 years.  Only works
>> with SNMPv1.  But it works, and just works.  Any OID just turn it on, say
>> how often to poll and it will graph it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/21/2020 3:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Monitoring bandwidth on ethernet interfaces.
>> Also I would like to load it on something where I can get in and take a
>> look but I don’t have to have it running on my desk top.
>> So thinking of perhaps some kind of raspberry PI device but would like to
>> see a gui with the graphs.
>>
>> *From:* Nate Burke
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2020 2:51 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] snmp
>>
>> To do what?  Single reads, or continuous monitoring?  Read/write?
>>
>> On 9/21/2020 3:49 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> What is the preferred snmp windows monitoring tool?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] snmp

[Steve Jones]

snmpc v7

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 4:11 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Or were you talking more of historical monitoring.  Then just run MRTG on
> your box with a simple webserver.
>
> On 9/21/2020 4:03 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> Going to sound cheesy, but I've been using this for years.
>
> stg  from leonidvm.chat.ru  Hasn't been updated in 20 years.  Only works
> with SNMPv1.  But it works, and just works.  Any OID just turn it on, say
> how often to poll and it will graph it.
>
>
>
> On 9/21/2020 3:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Monitoring bandwidth on ethernet interfaces.
> Also I would like to load it on something where I can get in and take a
> look but I don’t have to have it running on my desk top.
> So thinking of perhaps some kind of raspberry PI device but would like to
> see a gui with the graphs.
>
> *From:* Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2020 2:51 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] snmp
>
> To do what?  Single reads, or continuous monitoring?  Read/write?
>
> On 9/21/2020 3:49 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> What is the preferred snmp windows monitoring tool?
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Re: [AFMUG] snmp

[Nate Burke]

Or were you talking more of historical monitoring.  Then just run MRTG 
on your box with a simple webserver.


On 9/21/2020 4:03 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

Going to sound cheesy, but I've been using this for years.

stg  from leonidvm.chat.ru  Hasn't been updated in 20 years.  Only 
works with SNMPv1.  But it works, and just works.  Any OID just turn 
it on, say how often to poll and it will graph it.




On 9/21/2020 3:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Monitoring bandwidth on ethernet interfaces.
Also I would like to load it on something where I can get in and take 
a look but I don’t have to have it running on my desk top.
So thinking of perhaps some kind of raspberry PI device but would 
like to see a gui with the graphs.

*From:* Nate Burke
*Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2020 2:51 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] snmp
To do what?  Single reads, or continuous monitoring? Read/write?

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Re: [AFMUG] snmp

[Nate Burke]

Going to sound cheesy, but I've been using this for years.

stg  from leonidvm.chat.ru  Hasn't been updated in 20 years.  Only works 
with SNMPv1.  But it works, and just works.  Any OID just turn it on, 
say how often to poll and it will graph it.




On 9/21/2020 3:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Monitoring bandwidth on ethernet interfaces.
Also I would like to load it on something where I can get in and take 
a look but I don’t have to have it running on my desk top.
So thinking of perhaps some kind of raspberry PI device but would like 
to see a gui with the graphs.

*From:* Nate Burke
*Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2020 2:51 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] snmp
To do what?  Single reads, or continuous monitoring?  Read/write?

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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP V3 Browser

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP V3 Browser


Colin,

Downloaded that one yesterday.  Seems to work.  No sue about the console window that comes up.  Also, had to install it a directory off of root.  Didn't seem to like some permission issues under the programs folder.



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I've used ManageEngine MIBBrowser Free, it supports SNMPv3 although I have not tested it extensively.

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 11:45 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies <m...@mailmt.com> wrote:




Anyone have a link to a free/cheap simple SNMP V3 browser for windows.
 Trying  to  do some V3 stuff with the new dude version and not having
 any  luck.   Want to try accessing the switch with different SW for a
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP V3 Browser

[Colin Stanners]

I've used ManageEngine MIBBrowser Free, it supports SNMPv3 although I have
not tested it extensively.

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 11:45 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
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> Anyone have a link to a free/cheap simple SNMP V3 browser for windows.
>  Trying  to  do some V3 stuff with the new dude version and not having
>  any  luck.   Want to try accessing the switch with different SW for a
>  second opinion.
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP V3 Browser

[Ken Hohhof]

This is EXTREMELY bare bones, but is does support v3, and is free (as in beer):

https://www.paessler.com/tools/snmptester

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 9:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP V3 Browser

 

MG-Soft MIB Browser Pro is great for v3. It's a round $250 i believe.

 

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 11:45 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com> > wrote:

Anyone have a link to a free/cheap simple SNMP V3 browser for windows.
 Trying  to  do some V3 stuff with the new dude version and not having
 any  luck.   Want to try accessing the switch with different SW for a
 second opinion.


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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP V3 Browser

[Eric Muehleisen]

MG-Soft MIB Browser Pro is great for v3. It's a round $250 i believe.

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 11:45 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
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> Anyone have a link to a free/cheap simple SNMP V3 browser for windows.
>  Trying  to  do some V3 stuff with the new dude version and not having
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>  second opinion.
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP V3 Browser

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Darren,

That  is  the one I'm using for V1/2.
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DS> I didn't notixe until I hit "Send" that the v3 support requires the
DS> Professional version, at $295 - sorry about that!

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DS> Anyone have a link to a free/cheap simple SNMP V3 browser for windows.
DS>  Trying  to  do some V3 stuff with the new dude version and not having
DS>  any  luck.   Want to try accessing the switch with different SW for a
DS>  second opinion.


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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP V3 Browser

[Darren Shea]

I didn't notixe until I hit "Send" that the v3 support requires the
Professional version, at $295 - sorry about that!

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Subject: [AFMUG] SNMP V3 Browser

Anyone have a link to a free/cheap simple SNMP V3 browser for windows.
 Trying  to  do some V3 stuff with the new dude version and not having
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP V3 Browser

[Darren Shea]

I like this one - it comes with a bunch of useful tools
http://ireasoning.com/mibbrowser.shtml

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Anyone have a link to a free/cheap simple SNMP V3 browser for windows.
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP to add channel size 40mhz to SM's en masse?

[Eric Muehleisen]

+1 THIS!

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:47 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> If you use the DFS bands then you can set the alternate freqs to 2.5mhz
> iterations when you get a DFS hit.  We are burried in the mtns of CO so all
> DFS hits are false positives.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 11:35 AM castarritt  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, the 450B in particular can take ages to scan everything from
>> 5.1-5.8Ghz with all channel widths are enabled.  We only enable the channel
>> widths in use (20 and 30Mhz currently).  Also we only enable center
>> frequencies in 5 Mhz intervals (uncheck everything that ends in .5 Mhz).
>> I've yet to encounter an environment where moving the channel over 2.5 Mhz
>> would have solved an interference problem.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 11:59 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> As a heads up when you add the extra channel sizes to scan the
>>> registration time can go from ~30seconds to several minutes.
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 9:48 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Matt!
 I figured out how to edit a template, only select the functions I need
 and go from there. Last night I changed 110 SM's to scan for 20,30 and 40
 mhz in 15 seconds.
 I also made a script to change the admin and root password as well. The
 installers had forgotten to add the root password to the SM's for a while.

 On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 8:09 AM Matt Mays  wrote:

>
> Not the best way, by any means, but an option.
>
> If you need to enable something through the web interface access, like
> snmp r/w or community string  you can do something like this shell script
> wrapper for curl:
>
>
> *
> #!/bin/sh
>
> USER="username"
> PASS="password"
>
> #new rw community
> COMMSTRING="private"
>
> COOKFILE=`mktemp -t snmpcook`
> TMPFILE=`mktemp -t snmp`
>
> #get login page
> #curl --cookie-jar $COOKFILE --silent \
> #--output $TMPFILE \
> #http://$1/index.htm
>
> #login
> curl --cookie $COOKFILE  --cookie-jar $COOKFILE --silent \
> --location \
> --data
> "CanopyUsername=$USER=$PASS=submit=0=$COMMSTRING=Save+Changes"
> \
> --output $TMPFILE \
> http://$1/himom.cgi
>
> #get status page
> #curl --cookie $COOKFILE --cookie-jar $COOKFILE --silent \
> #--output $TMPFILE \
> #http://$1/main.cgi
>
> echo -n $1 ' '
> cat $TMPFILE| grep -i window\\.status | sed -e
> "s/.*window\.status=\'\([^\']*\)\'.*/\1/"
>
> rm $TMPFILE
> rm $COOKFILE
>
> *
> You just give it the hostname or ip as a parameter, of course updating
> the USER, PASS, and COMMSTRING variables first.
>
> You can do something similar for the channel size really if you don't
> want to just enable the snmp credentials this way.
> The variable to add to the data line is "BandWidthScan" and then you
> just need to figure out the correct value.
> Always good to test locally first before you orphan a bunch of radios
> in the field.
>
>
> Good luck,
> Matt Mays
> Amplex Internet
> On 3/6/2019 3:50 PM, Joe Novak wrote:
>
> If you don't have CnMaestro widely deployed here are a couple of great
> examples provided by the community:
> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnMaestro/Onboarding-with-SNMP-via-BASH/td-p/45614
>
> You should be able to modify both of them fairly easily for whatever
> snmpset commands your trying to run.
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 2:43 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Like Adam said cnMaestro makes this very easy.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 1:23 PM Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> CnMaestro can apply a config template to every managed device.  If
>>> the template only includes the one checkbox then only that one checkbox
>>> changes.
>>>
>>> SNMP would definitely do it too, but only if you already have write
>>> access enabled.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/6/2019 2:49 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone know how to basically check the 40mhz box en masse on
>>> all SM's on an AP? Is SNMP the way to do it or is there a better way?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP to add channel size 40mhz to SM's en masse?

[Sean Heskett]

If you use the DFS bands then you can set the alternate freqs to 2.5mhz
iterations when you get a DFS hit.  We are burried in the mtns of CO so all
DFS hits are false positives.

-Sean


On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 11:35 AM castarritt  wrote:

> Yeah, the 450B in particular can take ages to scan everything from
> 5.1-5.8Ghz with all channel widths are enabled.  We only enable the channel
> widths in use (20 and 30Mhz currently).  Also we only enable center
> frequencies in 5 Mhz intervals (uncheck everything that ends in .5 Mhz).
> I've yet to encounter an environment where moving the channel over 2.5 Mhz
> would have solved an interference problem.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 11:59 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> As a heads up when you add the extra channel sizes to scan the
>> registration time can go from ~30seconds to several minutes.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 9:48 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Matt!
>>> I figured out how to edit a template, only select the functions I need
>>> and go from there. Last night I changed 110 SM's to scan for 20,30 and 40
>>> mhz in 15 seconds.
>>> I also made a script to change the admin and root password as well. The
>>> installers had forgotten to add the root password to the SM's for a while.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 8:09 AM Matt Mays  wrote:
>>>

 Not the best way, by any means, but an option.

 If you need to enable something through the web interface access, like
 snmp r/w or community string  you can do something like this shell script
 wrapper for curl:


 *
 #!/bin/sh

 USER="username"
 PASS="password"

 #new rw community
 COMMSTRING="private"

 COOKFILE=`mktemp -t snmpcook`
 TMPFILE=`mktemp -t snmp`

 #get login page
 #curl --cookie-jar $COOKFILE --silent \
 #--output $TMPFILE \
 #http://$1/index.htm

 #login
 curl --cookie $COOKFILE  --cookie-jar $COOKFILE --silent \
 --location \
 --data
 "CanopyUsername=$USER=$PASS=submit=0=$COMMSTRING=Save+Changes"
 \
 --output $TMPFILE \
 http://$1/himom.cgi

 #get status page
 #curl --cookie $COOKFILE --cookie-jar $COOKFILE --silent \
 #--output $TMPFILE \
 #http://$1/main.cgi

 echo -n $1 ' '
 cat $TMPFILE| grep -i window\\.status | sed -e
 "s/.*window\.status=\'\([^\']*\)\'.*/\1/"

 rm $TMPFILE
 rm $COOKFILE

 *
 You just give it the hostname or ip as a parameter, of course updating
 the USER, PASS, and COMMSTRING variables first.

 You can do something similar for the channel size really if you don't
 want to just enable the snmp credentials this way.
 The variable to add to the data line is "BandWidthScan" and then you
 just need to figure out the correct value.
 Always good to test locally first before you orphan a bunch of radios
 in the field.


 Good luck,
 Matt Mays
 Amplex Internet
 On 3/6/2019 3:50 PM, Joe Novak wrote:

 If you don't have CnMaestro widely deployed here are a couple of great
 examples provided by the community:
 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnMaestro/Onboarding-with-SNMP-via-BASH/td-p/45614

 You should be able to modify both of them fairly easily for whatever
 snmpset commands your trying to run.

 On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 2:43 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Like Adam said cnMaestro makes this very easy.
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 1:23 PM Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
>> CnMaestro can apply a config template to every managed device.  If
>> the template only includes the one checkbox then only that one checkbox
>> changes.
>>
>> SNMP would definitely do it too, but only if you already have write
>> access enabled.
>>
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>> On 3/6/2019 2:49 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know how to basically check the 40mhz box en masse on all
>> SM's on an AP? Is SNMP the way to do it or is there a better way?
>>
>> --
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>> 575-758-7598 Office
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>>
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP to add channel size 40mhz to SM's en masse?

[castarritt]

Yeah, the 450B in particular can take ages to scan everything from
5.1-5.8Ghz with all channel widths are enabled.  We only enable the channel
widths in use (20 and 30Mhz currently).  Also we only enable center
frequencies in 5 Mhz intervals (uncheck everything that ends in .5 Mhz).
I've yet to encounter an environment where moving the channel over 2.5 Mhz
would have solved an interference problem.


On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 11:59 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> As a heads up when you add the extra channel sizes to scan the
> registration time can go from ~30seconds to several minutes.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 9:48 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Matt!
>> I figured out how to edit a template, only select the functions I need
>> and go from there. Last night I changed 110 SM's to scan for 20,30 and 40
>> mhz in 15 seconds.
>> I also made a script to change the admin and root password as well. The
>> installers had forgotten to add the root password to the SM's for a while.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 8:09 AM Matt Mays  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Not the best way, by any means, but an option.
>>>
>>> If you need to enable something through the web interface access, like
>>> snmp r/w or community string  you can do something like this shell script
>>> wrapper for curl:
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>> #!/bin/sh
>>>
>>> USER="username"
>>> PASS="password"
>>>
>>> #new rw community
>>> COMMSTRING="private"
>>>
>>> COOKFILE=`mktemp -t snmpcook`
>>> TMPFILE=`mktemp -t snmp`
>>>
>>> #get login page
>>> #curl --cookie-jar $COOKFILE --silent \
>>> #--output $TMPFILE \
>>> #http://$1/index.htm
>>>
>>> #login
>>> curl --cookie $COOKFILE  --cookie-jar $COOKFILE --silent \
>>> --location \
>>> --data
>>> "CanopyUsername=$USER=$PASS=submit=0=$COMMSTRING=Save+Changes"
>>> \
>>> --output $TMPFILE \
>>> http://$1/himom.cgi
>>>
>>> #get status page
>>> #curl --cookie $COOKFILE --cookie-jar $COOKFILE --silent \
>>> #--output $TMPFILE \
>>> #http://$1/main.cgi
>>>
>>> echo -n $1 ' '
>>> cat $TMPFILE| grep -i window\\.status | sed -e
>>> "s/.*window\.status=\'\([^\']*\)\'.*/\1/"
>>>
>>> rm $TMPFILE
>>> rm $COOKFILE
>>>
>>> *
>>> You just give it the hostname or ip as a parameter, of course updating
>>> the USER, PASS, and COMMSTRING variables first.
>>>
>>> You can do something similar for the channel size really if you don't
>>> want to just enable the snmp credentials this way.
>>> The variable to add to the data line is "BandWidthScan" and then you
>>> just need to figure out the correct value.
>>> Always good to test locally first before you orphan a bunch of radios in
>>> the field.
>>>
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>> Matt Mays
>>> Amplex Internet
>>> On 3/6/2019 3:50 PM, Joe Novak wrote:
>>>
>>> If you don't have CnMaestro widely deployed here are a couple of great
>>> examples provided by the community:
>>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnMaestro/Onboarding-with-SNMP-via-BASH/td-p/45614
>>>
>>> You should be able to modify both of them fairly easily for whatever
>>> snmpset commands your trying to run.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 2:43 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Like Adam said cnMaestro makes this very easy.

 Sean


 On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 1:23 PM Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

> CnMaestro can apply a config template to every managed device.  If the
> template only includes the one checkbox then only that one checkbox 
> changes.
>
> SNMP would definitely do it too, but only if you already have write
> access enabled.
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 3/6/2019 2:49 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>
> Does anyone know how to basically check the 40mhz box en masse on all
> SM's on an AP? Is SNMP the way to do it or is there a better way?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP to add channel size 40mhz to SM's en masse?

[castarritt]

I still just use a simple windows batch file with a line like this to make
those changes, but cnMaestro is much easier when doing mass changes across
multiple APs or the entire network.

for /L %%v in (2,1,100) do snmpset -r2 -Oqv -t 0.05 -v2c -m all -c Canopy
10.1.2.%%v .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.2.1.131.0 s "20,30"

The bigger concern before making the channel width change on the AP is
finding out which subs on it might be currently disconnected, and then
waiting for them to show up on the AP again so you can update them as
well.  Talking an offline customer through that change is sometimes a
challenge, and if they don't have a computer with ethernet (which is
getting common these days), it might be impossible depending on what the
SMs configuration is.

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 10:48 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:

> Thanks Matt!
> I figured out how to edit a template, only select the functions I need and
> go from there. Last night I changed 110 SM's to scan for 20,30 and 40 mhz
> in 15 seconds.
> I also made a script to change the admin and root password as well. The
> installers had forgotten to add the root password to the SM's for a while.
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 8:09 AM Matt Mays  wrote:
>
>>
>> Not the best way, by any means, but an option.
>>
>> If you need to enable something through the web interface access, like
>> snmp r/w or community string  you can do something like this shell script
>> wrapper for curl:
>>
>>
>> *
>> #!/bin/sh
>>
>> USER="username"
>> PASS="password"
>>
>> #new rw community
>> COMMSTRING="private"
>>
>> COOKFILE=`mktemp -t snmpcook`
>> TMPFILE=`mktemp -t snmp`
>>
>> #get login page
>> #curl --cookie-jar $COOKFILE --silent \
>> #--output $TMPFILE \
>> #http://$1/index.htm
>>
>> #login
>> curl --cookie $COOKFILE  --cookie-jar $COOKFILE --silent \
>> --location \
>> --data
>> "CanopyUsername=$USER=$PASS=submit=0=$COMMSTRING=Save+Changes"
>> \
>> --output $TMPFILE \
>> http://$1/himom.cgi
>>
>> #get status page
>> #curl --cookie $COOKFILE --cookie-jar $COOKFILE --silent \
>> #--output $TMPFILE \
>> #http://$1/main.cgi
>>
>> echo -n $1 ' '
>> cat $TMPFILE| grep -i window\\.status | sed -e
>> "s/.*window\.status=\'\([^\']*\)\'.*/\1/"
>>
>> rm $TMPFILE
>> rm $COOKFILE
>>
>> *
>> You just give it the hostname or ip as a parameter, of course updating
>> the USER, PASS, and COMMSTRING variables first.
>>
>> You can do something similar for the channel size really if you don't
>> want to just enable the snmp credentials this way.
>> The variable to add to the data line is "BandWidthScan" and then you just
>> need to figure out the correct value.
>> Always good to test locally first before you orphan a bunch of radios in
>> the field.
>>
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Matt Mays
>> Amplex Internet
>> On 3/6/2019 3:50 PM, Joe Novak wrote:
>>
>> If you don't have CnMaestro widely deployed here are a couple of great
>> examples provided by the community:
>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnMaestro/Onboarding-with-SNMP-via-BASH/td-p/45614
>>
>> You should be able to modify both of them fairly easily for whatever
>> snmpset commands your trying to run.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 2:43 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Like Adam said cnMaestro makes this very easy.
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 1:23 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>>
 CnMaestro can apply a config template to every managed device.  If the
 template only includes the one checkbox then only that one checkbox 
 changes.

 SNMP would definitely do it too, but only if you already have write
 access enabled.


 -Adam


 On 3/6/2019 2:49 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:

 Does anyone know how to basically check the 40mhz box en masse on all
 SM's on an AP? Is SNMP the way to do it or is there a better way?

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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP to add channel size 40mhz to SM's en masse?

[Sean Heskett]

As a heads up when you add the extra channel sizes to scan the registration
time can go from ~30seconds to several minutes.

-Sean


On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 9:48 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:

> Thanks Matt!
> I figured out how to edit a template, only select the functions I need and
> go from there. Last night I changed 110 SM's to scan for 20,30 and 40 mhz
> in 15 seconds.
> I also made a script to change the admin and root password as well. The
> installers had forgotten to add the root password to the SM's for a while.
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 8:09 AM Matt Mays  wrote:
>
>>
>> Not the best way, by any means, but an option.
>>
>> If you need to enable something through the web interface access, like
>> snmp r/w or community string  you can do something like this shell script
>> wrapper for curl:
>>
>>
>> *
>> #!/bin/sh
>>
>> USER="username"
>> PASS="password"
>>
>> #new rw community
>> COMMSTRING="private"
>>
>> COOKFILE=`mktemp -t snmpcook`
>> TMPFILE=`mktemp -t snmp`
>>
>> #get login page
>> #curl --cookie-jar $COOKFILE --silent \
>> #--output $TMPFILE \
>> #http://$1/index.htm
>>
>> #login
>> curl --cookie $COOKFILE  --cookie-jar $COOKFILE --silent \
>> --location \
>> --data
>> "CanopyUsername=$USER=$PASS=submit=0=$COMMSTRING=Save+Changes"
>> \
>> --output $TMPFILE \
>> http://$1/himom.cgi
>>
>> #get status page
>> #curl --cookie $COOKFILE --cookie-jar $COOKFILE --silent \
>> #--output $TMPFILE \
>> #http://$1/main.cgi
>>
>> echo -n $1 ' '
>> cat $TMPFILE| grep -i window\\.status | sed -e
>> "s/.*window\.status=\'\([^\']*\)\'.*/\1/"
>>
>> rm $TMPFILE
>> rm $COOKFILE
>>
>> *
>> You just give it the hostname or ip as a parameter, of course updating
>> the USER, PASS, and COMMSTRING variables first.
>>
>> You can do something similar for the channel size really if you don't
>> want to just enable the snmp credentials this way.
>> The variable to add to the data line is "BandWidthScan" and then you just
>> need to figure out the correct value.
>> Always good to test locally first before you orphan a bunch of radios in
>> the field.
>>
>>
>> Good luck,
>> Matt Mays
>> Amplex Internet
>> On 3/6/2019 3:50 PM, Joe Novak wrote:
>>
>> If you don't have CnMaestro widely deployed here are a couple of great
>> examples provided by the community:
>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnMaestro/Onboarding-with-SNMP-via-BASH/td-p/45614
>>
>> You should be able to modify both of them fairly easily for whatever
>> snmpset commands your trying to run.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 2:43 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Like Adam said cnMaestro makes this very easy.
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 1:23 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>>
 CnMaestro can apply a config template to every managed device.  If the
 template only includes the one checkbox then only that one checkbox 
 changes.

 SNMP would definitely do it too, but only if you already have write
 access enabled.


 -Adam


 On 3/6/2019 2:49 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:

 Does anyone know how to basically check the 40mhz box en masse on all
 SM's on an AP? Is SNMP the way to do it or is there a better way?

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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP to add channel size 40mhz to SM's en masse?

[Sam Lambie]

Thanks Matt!
I figured out how to edit a template, only select the functions I need and
go from there. Last night I changed 110 SM's to scan for 20,30 and 40 mhz
in 15 seconds.
I also made a script to change the admin and root password as well. The
installers had forgotten to add the root password to the SM's for a while.

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 8:09 AM Matt Mays  wrote:

>
> Not the best way, by any means, but an option.
>
> If you need to enable something through the web interface access, like
> snmp r/w or community string  you can do something like this shell script
> wrapper for curl:
>
>
> *
> #!/bin/sh
>
> USER="username"
> PASS="password"
>
> #new rw community
> COMMSTRING="private"
>
> COOKFILE=`mktemp -t snmpcook`
> TMPFILE=`mktemp -t snmp`
>
> #get login page
> #curl --cookie-jar $COOKFILE --silent \
> #--output $TMPFILE \
> #http://$1/index.htm
>
> #login
> curl --cookie $COOKFILE  --cookie-jar $COOKFILE --silent \
> --location \
> --data
> "CanopyUsername=$USER=$PASS=submit=0=$COMMSTRING=Save+Changes"
> \
> --output $TMPFILE \
> http://$1/himom.cgi
>
> #get status page
> #curl --cookie $COOKFILE --cookie-jar $COOKFILE --silent \
> #--output $TMPFILE \
> #http://$1/main.cgi
>
> echo -n $1 ' '
> cat $TMPFILE| grep -i window\\.status | sed -e
> "s/.*window\.status=\'\([^\']*\)\'.*/\1/"
>
> rm $TMPFILE
> rm $COOKFILE
>
> *
> You just give it the hostname or ip as a parameter, of course updating the
> USER, PASS, and COMMSTRING variables first.
>
> You can do something similar for the channel size really if you don't want
> to just enable the snmp credentials this way.
> The variable to add to the data line is "BandWidthScan" and then you just
> need to figure out the correct value.
> Always good to test locally first before you orphan a bunch of radios in
> the field.
>
>
> Good luck,
> Matt Mays
> Amplex Internet
> On 3/6/2019 3:50 PM, Joe Novak wrote:
>
> If you don't have CnMaestro widely deployed here are a couple of great
> examples provided by the community:
> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnMaestro/Onboarding-with-SNMP-via-BASH/td-p/45614
>
> You should be able to modify both of them fairly easily for whatever
> snmpset commands your trying to run.
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 2:43 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Like Adam said cnMaestro makes this very easy.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 1:23 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> CnMaestro can apply a config template to every managed device.  If the
>>> template only includes the one checkbox then only that one checkbox changes.
>>>
>>> SNMP would definitely do it too, but only if you already have write
>>> access enabled.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/6/2019 2:49 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone know how to basically check the 40mhz box en masse on all
>>> SM's on an AP? Is SNMP the way to do it or is there a better way?
>>>
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>>> 575-758-7598 Office
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP to add channel size 40mhz to SM's en masse?

[Matt Mays]

Not the best way, by any means, but an option.

If you need to enable something through the web interface access, like 
snmp r/w or community string  you can do something like this shell 
script wrapper for curl:



*
#!/bin/sh

USER="username"
PASS="password"

#new rw community
COMMSTRING="private"

COOKFILE=`mktemp -t snmpcook`
TMPFILE=`mktemp -t snmp`

#get login page
#curl --cookie-jar $COOKFILE --silent \
    #--output $TMPFILE \
    #http://$1/index.htm

#login
curl --cookie $COOKFILE  --cookie-jar $COOKFILE --silent \
    --location \
    --data 
"CanopyUsername=$USER=$PASS=submit=0=$COMMSTRING=Save+Changes" 
\

    --output $TMPFILE \
    http://$1/himom.cgi

#get status page
#curl --cookie $COOKFILE --cookie-jar $COOKFILE --silent \
#    --output $TMPFILE \
#http://$1/main.cgi

echo -n $1 ' '
cat $TMPFILE| grep -i window\\.status | sed -e 
"s/.*window\.status=\'\([^\']*\)\'.*/\1/"


rm $TMPFILE
rm $COOKFILE

*
You just give it the hostname or ip as a parameter, of course updating 
the USER, PASS, and COMMSTRING variables first.


You can do something similar for the channel size really if you don't 
want to just enable the snmp credentials this way.
The variable to add to the data line is "BandWidthScan" and then you 
just need to figure out the correct value.
Always good to test locally first before you orphan a bunch of radios in 
the field.



Good luck,
Matt Mays
Amplex Internet

On 3/6/2019 3:50 PM, Joe Novak wrote:
If you don't have CnMaestro widely deployed here are a couple of great 
examples provided by the community: 
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnMaestro/Onboarding-with-SNMP-via-BASH/td-p/45614


You should be able to modify both of them fairly easily for whatever 
snmpset commands your trying to run.


On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 2:43 PM Sean Heskett > wrote:


Like Adam said cnMaestro makes this very easy.

Sean


On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 1:23 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

CnMaestro can apply a config template to every managed
device.  If the template only includes the one checkbox then
only that one checkbox changes.

SNMP would definitely do it too, but only if you already have
write access enabled.


-Adam


On 3/6/2019 2:49 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:

Does anyone know how to basically check the 40mhz box en
masse on all SM's on an AP? Is SNMP the way to do it or is
there a better way?

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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP to add channel size 40mhz to SM's en masse?

[Sean Heskett]

Easiest way to creat a template is to go to a device and export its config
file and then edit/delete what you don’t need.

On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 1:58 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:

> Dooh! I use cnmaestro. Didn't even think of that as I haven't dug deep
> enough to create templates yet.
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 1:24 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> CnMaestro can apply a config template to every managed device.  If the
>> template only includes the one checkbox then only that one checkbox changes.
>>
>> SNMP would definitely do it too, but only if you already have write
>> access enabled.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>> On 3/6/2019 2:49 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know how to basically check the 40mhz box en masse on all
>> SM's on an AP? Is SNMP the way to do it or is there a better way?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP to add channel size 40mhz to SM's en masse?

[Sam Lambie]

Dooh! I use cnmaestro. Didn't even think of that as I haven't dug deep
enough to create templates yet.

On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 1:24 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> CnMaestro can apply a config template to every managed device.  If the
> template only includes the one checkbox then only that one checkbox changes.
>
> SNMP would definitely do it too, but only if you already have write access
> enabled.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 3/6/2019 2:49 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>
> Does anyone know how to basically check the 40mhz box en masse on all SM's
> on an AP? Is SNMP the way to do it or is there a better way?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP to add channel size 40mhz to SM's en masse?

[Adam Moffett]

CnMaestro can apply a config template to every managed device.  If the 
template only includes the one checkbox then only that one checkbox changes.


SNMP would definitely do it too, but only if you already have write 
access enabled.


-Adam


On 3/6/2019 2:49 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:
Does anyone know how to basically check the 40mhz box en masse on all 
SM's on an AP? Is SNMP the way to do it or is there a better way?


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