Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ

[Jason McKemie via Af]

The latency is in the standard, so they would have to deviate from it.
Being SDR, I suppose they theoretically could, I just haven't seen it
happen yet.  Presumably the CPE are built around a standards based chipset,
so it would probably mean an increase in price for those as well.

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Rory Conaway via Af  wrote:

> Why do you say the latency would be significantly higher?  That’s
> manufacturer dependent since they aren’t locked to the full cellular PHY.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie via
> Af
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ
>
>
>
> The 450 is going to smoke the Telrad from a latency standpoint.  This is a
> big downside to this gear IMO.  If someone would optimize LTE for use in a
> fixed environment you could possibly get better latency, but I'm not seeing
> that happening.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Matt via Af  wrote:
>
> Is anyone looking at both these options?  Pros and cons of one vs
> other?  Throughput, Sync, Interference, spectrum efficiency, cost etc?
>
> What I really wander is can you bond two non adjacent 10MHZ channels
> with Telrad to make a 20MHZ channel?  I know you cannot with 450 and
> it might become very useful down the road.  Right now with 450 and a
> perfect connection on a 20MHZ channel we can do around 80Mbps
> downstream per sector.  With a 10MHZ channel and not so perfect
> connections that is really getting cut back.
>
> Also, right now we can do ABAB quite easily with 450 gear.  With LTE
> can we do  where spectrum is scarce?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ

[Rory Conaway via Af]

Why do you say the latency would be significantly higher?  That’s manufacturer 
dependent since they aren’t locked to the full cellular PHY.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ

 

The 450 is going to smoke the Telrad from a latency standpoint.  This is a big 
downside to this gear IMO.  If someone would optimize LTE for use in a fixed 
environment you could possibly get better latency, but I'm not seeing that 
happening.

 

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Matt via Af  wrote:

Is anyone looking at both these options?  Pros and cons of one vs
other?  Throughput, Sync, Interference, spectrum efficiency, cost etc?

What I really wander is can you bond two non adjacent 10MHZ channels
with Telrad to make a 20MHZ channel?  I know you cannot with 450 and
it might become very useful down the road.  Right now with 450 and a
perfect connection on a 20MHZ channel we can do around 80Mbps
downstream per sector.  With a 10MHZ channel and not so perfect
connections that is really getting cut back.

Also, right now we can do ABAB quite easily with 450 gear.  With LTE
can we do  where spectrum is scarce?

 

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ

[Rory Conaway via Af]

They could put a faster processor on the AP side which either gives you 20MHz 
and 250Mbps which is the easiest step.  Not sure what the client radios would 
do though although a faster CPE will probably come simultaneously.  More 
ambitious would be a 4x4 version of the 450 with MU-MIMO.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 10:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ

 

i believe we have seen the cambium moneyshot at this point, what else could 
they do with 450?

 

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Tyler Treat via Af  wrote:

So the real question becomes, what is the 450 roadmap moving forward?  What 
kind of shock and awe is on the horizon….?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ

 

The 450 is going to smoke the Telrad from a latency standpoint.  This is a big 
downside to this gear IMO.  If someone would optimize LTE for use in a fixed 
environment you could possibly get better latency, but I'm not seeing that 
happening.

 

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Matt via Af  wrote:

Is anyone looking at both these options?  Pros and cons of one vs
other?  Throughput, Sync, Interference, spectrum efficiency, cost etc?

What I really wander is can you bond two non adjacent 10MHZ channels
with Telrad to make a 20MHZ channel?  I know you cannot with 450 and
it might become very useful down the road.  Right now with 450 and a
perfect connection on a 20MHZ channel we can do around 80Mbps
downstream per sector.  With a 10MHZ channel and not so perfect
connections that is really getting cut back.

Also, right now we can do ABAB quite easily with 450 gear.  With LTE
can we do  where spectrum is scarce?

 





 

-- 

All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AC

[Mathew Howard via Af]

We have a couple of them up on towers - I haven't seen any problems.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) via Af 
[af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 11:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AC

Speaking of AC

Are the AC Nanobeams ready to be put 80 foot up a tower?
Are they reliable now?
Need to do a rebuild but don’t want to have to hire a cherry picker more often 
than needed.

Thanks




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Wednesday, 5 November 2014 2:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AC

I'd like to see the non-lite Rocket as well...

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Peter Kranz via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Hardware already available..
Software.. soon!

Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 10:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AC

Has anyone heard of a timeline on the availability of ptmp AC in Ubiquiti's 
lineup?

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] New Toy

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

60up/60down with fixed offset 100MHz in one Polarisation.

Should be reusable like 38GHz. (Angle > 30%, or different Pol).





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 10:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Toy



How wide is the channel for full throughput in the US?



On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Jaime Solorza via Af mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

Nice. Thx

Jaime Solorza

On Nov 4, 2014 6:37 AM, "Stefan Englhardt via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

With our ETSI power limits I should see up to 300Mbps (128QAM) both ways.

At the moment I see „only“ 240 Mbps (64QAM). The polarisation is

shown wrong. Signal is exactly as calculated. Talking to support now to wrench 
out

some Mbps. In US I would see 470Mbps on this link.



Latency as always <1ms.



Happy to move another link out of the 5GHz Band.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] Im Auftrag 
von Jaime Solorza via Af
Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. November 2014 14:19
An: Animal Farm
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] New Toy



Cool. Curious to see much you can push through link.

Jaime Solorza

On Nov 3, 2014 9:39 PM, "Stefan Englhardt via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

one mile





Von: Jay Weekley via Af 
Gesendet: ‎Dienstag‎, ‎4‎. ‎November‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎57
An: Jay Weekley via Af 



Welcher Entfernung

Jaime Solorza
On Nov 3, 2014 12:17 PM, "Stefan Englhardt via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

> Integra 24GHz. Love it. Easy to mount. No need to crimp. Small profile.
> I will mount the second side tomorrow and see how it performs.
>
>




--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

[AFMUG] FW: ISP Radio Wednesday -- 11CST -- Citel on Surge Protection

[Dennis Burgess via Af]

   Tomorrow we will have Citel on the horn, talking 
about grounding and surge protection!  A must for all WISPs!

 

11am CST 

Don’t forgot you can download the previous episodes to put on your media player 
and listen while in your car free of charge by going to www.ispradio.com 
Remember to sign into the live chat to ask 
questions!  

 

n  UPCOMMING SHOWS!

n  Nov 12th – Nathan with SWG

 

 

Dennis Burgess, Co-Host of ISP Radio!

http://www.ispradio.com  

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AC

[Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) via Af]

Speaking of AC

 

Are the AC Nanobeams ready to be put 80 foot up a tower?

Are they reliable now?

Need to do a rebuild but don’t want to have to hire a cherry picker more often 
than needed.

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Wednesday, 5 November 2014 2:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AC

 

I'd like to see the non-lite Rocket as well...

 

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Peter Kranz via Af  wrote:

Hardware already available..

Software.. soon!

 

Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100  
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 10:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AC

 

Has anyone heard of a timeline on the availability of ptmp AC in Ubiquiti's 
lineup?

 

-Jason

 

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ

[That One Guy via Af]

i believe we have seen the cambium moneyshot at this point, what else could
they do with 450?

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Tyler Treat via Af  wrote:

>  So the real question becomes, what is the 450 roadmap moving forward?
> What kind of shock and awe is on the horizon….?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie via
> Af
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ
>
>
>
> The 450 is going to smoke the Telrad from a latency standpoint.  This is a
> big downside to this gear IMO.  If someone would optimize LTE for use in a
> fixed environment you could possibly get better latency, but I'm not seeing
> that happening.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Matt via Af  wrote:
>
> Is anyone looking at both these options?  Pros and cons of one vs
> other?  Throughput, Sync, Interference, spectrum efficiency, cost etc?
>
> What I really wander is can you bond two non adjacent 10MHZ channels
> with Telrad to make a 20MHZ channel?  I know you cannot with 450 and
> it might become very useful down the road.  Right now with 450 and a
> perfect connection on a 20MHZ channel we can do around 80Mbps
> downstream per sector.  With a 10MHZ channel and not so perfect
> connections that is really getting cut back.
>
> Also, right now we can do ABAB quite easily with 450 gear.  With LTE
> can we do  where spectrum is scarce?
>
>
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ

[Tyler Treat via Af]

So the real question becomes, what is the 450 roadmap moving forward?  What 
kind of shock and awe is on the horizon….?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ

The 450 is going to smoke the Telrad from a latency standpoint.  This is a big 
downside to this gear IMO.  If someone would optimize LTE for use in a fixed 
environment you could possibly get better latency, but I'm not seeing that 
happening.

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Matt via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> 
wrote:
Is anyone looking at both these options?  Pros and cons of one vs
other?  Throughput, Sync, Interference, spectrum efficiency, cost etc?

What I really wander is can you bond two non adjacent 10MHZ channels
with Telrad to make a 20MHZ channel?  I know you cannot with 450 and
it might become very useful down the road.  Right now with 450 and a
perfect connection on a 20MHZ channel we can do around 80Mbps
downstream per sector.  With a 10MHZ channel and not so perfect
connections that is really getting cut back.

Also, right now we can do ABAB quite easily with 450 gear.  With LTE
can we do  where spectrum is scarce?

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ

[Jason McKemie via Af]

The 450 is going to smoke the Telrad from a latency standpoint.  This is a
big downside to this gear IMO.  If someone would optimize LTE for use in a
fixed environment you could possibly get better latency, but I'm not seeing
that happening.

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Matt via Af  wrote:

> Is anyone looking at both these options?  Pros and cons of one vs
> other?  Throughput, Sync, Interference, spectrum efficiency, cost etc?
>
> What I really wander is can you bond two non adjacent 10MHZ channels
> with Telrad to make a 20MHZ channel?  I know you cannot with 450 and
> it might become very useful down the road.  Right now with 450 and a
> perfect connection on a 20MHZ channel we can do around 80Mbps
> downstream per sector.  With a 10MHZ channel and not so perfect
> connections that is really getting cut back.
>
> Also, right now we can do ABAB quite easily with 450 gear.  With LTE
> can we do  where spectrum is scarce?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AC

[Jason McKemie via Af]

I'd like to see the non-lite Rocket as well...

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Peter Kranz via Af  wrote:

> Hardware already available..
>
> Software.. soon!
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
> www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie via
> Af
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 01, 2014 10:45 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AC
>
>
>
> Has anyone heard of a timeline on the availability of ptmp AC in
> Ubiquiti's lineup?
>
>
>
> -Jason
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Jeremy via Af]

Remember the old Digital Logger AC rebooters that we all used to use on
WiFi gear??  Now I use them on all of my electronics at home so that I can
power cycle them over wifi.  Roku is locked up again?  Just a sec, let me
login with my phone.  BluRay isn't working?  One sec...  It is pretty much
the best thing ever.

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett via Af  wrote:

>  I'd be happy to share in that job.
>
> My big beef with our brave new world is that you have to reboot
> everything.
>
> Microwave display is screwed upunplug it and plug it back in.
> Washing machine digital display is not responding.unplug it and plug
> it back in.
> DVD Player frozen.unplug it and plug it back in.
> Dodge Intrepid won't shift gears..turn it off and turn it back on.
>
> These are all true stories.
>
> The internet of things will be a network of crap that doesn't work unless
> you reboot it regularly.  When they are up, the "things" will all be
> participating in a botnet.
>
>  finally someone took over Doug's job of letting us all know the sky is
> falling!?!?
>
>  hip hip hooray...long live Ken the prognosticator!
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:
>
>>  The apocalypse is coming!
>>
>> bp
>>
>>  On 11/4/2014 11:58 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>>
>>  Soon, when your Internet goes out, you won’t even be able to open your
>> garage door or flush your toilet, because it will all be in the cloud.
>>
>> And as ISPs, we’ll be getting angry calls like “Is the tower down?  I
>> can’t flush my toilet.”
>>
>> You think I’m joking?  Remember the thread about LED bulbs interfering
>> with garage door openers?  One of the suggested fixes is a garage door
>> opener app on your smartphone.  I assume that only works if your smarthouse
>> has working Internet.  Our hives will cease to operate if you cut the
>> connection to the collective.
>>
>> I’m imagining that something goes wrong with the cloud controller, and
>> now I can’t even use WiFi within my house, like printing to my wireless
>> printer or using Chromecast to my TV.  Yes, I know, Unifi should continue
>> to operate without the controller once set up, but do some features stop
>> working?  Like handoff between APs?
>>
>>  *From:* Josh Baird via Af 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:47 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>>
>>   You can host them all on a single controller in your datacenter.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 4, 2014, at 2:24 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
>>
>>   Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without a
>> controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows machine?
>> Install a unifi "server" ?
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> UBNT UniFi...one SSID
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
>>>
 What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage?
 Any options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or
 someone make something with true roaming?

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Photos from the roof of Continental Place, Seattle

[Rory Conaway via Af]

Great pictures.  I always try to take pictures from unique points.  Few people 
ever get the opportunity to see things from that side.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 3:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Photos from the roof of Continental Place, Seattle

 

This summer.

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[That One Guy via Af]

Fortigates have seamless roaming, depends on what size fortigate you get,
the 60d I believe handles 4 APs integrated into the firewall, they work
great if youre looking for a non cobblefucked solution like unifi.
If you want to get into some dough, the motorola wlan soultion is there,
but its cumbersome and ugly
the partner has done a bunch of the ruckus, but never got any feedback on
those

overall I prefer the fortigate solution since I prefer their UTM firewalls

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

>   Have you unplugged your fridge lately?  You have to roll it out.  That
> involves taking off the grill at the bottom and figuring out what kind of
> wrench you need to crank up the leveling screws.  Then your wife makes you
> pick up the dead mice and pet turtles and get out the vacuum and sweep up
> all the dog hair and dried up vegetables that are back there.  Then you
> climb back there and unplug it, count one Mississippi two Mississippi, plug
> it back in, climb back out, roll the fridge back, re-level it, and put the
> grill back on.
>
>
>  *From:* Bill Prince via Af 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 4:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>
>  Unplug it/plug it back in is cheaper than putting in an on/off switch
> (or re-init switch).
>
> bp
>
> On 11/4/2014 1:46 PM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
>
> I'd be happy to share in that job.
>
> My big beef with our brave new world is that you have to reboot
> everything.
>
> Microwave display is screwed upunplug it and plug it back in.
> Washing machine digital display is not responding.unplug it and plug
> it back in.
> DVD Player frozen.unplug it and plug it back in.
> Dodge Intrepid won't shift gears..turn it off and turn it back on.
>
> These are all true stories.
>
> The internet of things will be a network of crap that doesn't work unless
> you reboot it regularly.  When they are up, the "things" will all be
> participating in a botnet.
>
>  finally someone took over Doug's job of letting us all know the sky is
> falling!?!?
>
> hip hip hooray...long live Ken the prognosticator!
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:
>
>>  The apocalypse is coming!
>>
>> bp
>>
>> On 11/4/2014 11:58 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>>
>>  Soon, when your Internet goes out, you won’t even be able to open your
>> garage door or flush your toilet, because it will all be in the cloud.
>>
>> And as ISPs, we’ll be getting angry calls like “Is the tower down?  I
>> can’t flush my toilet.”
>>
>> You think I’m joking?  Remember the thread about LED bulbs interfering
>> with garage door openers?  One of the suggested fixes is a garage door
>> opener app on your smartphone.  I assume that only works if your smarthouse
>> has working Internet.  Our hives will cease to operate if you cut the
>> connection to the collective.
>>
>> I’m imagining that something goes wrong with the cloud controller, and
>> now I can’t even use WiFi within my house, like printing to my wireless
>> printer or using Chromecast to my TV.  Yes, I know, Unifi should continue
>> to operate without the controller once set up, but do some features stop
>> working?  Like handoff between APs?
>>
>>  *From:* Josh Baird via Af 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:47 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>>
>>  You can host them all on a single controller in your datacenter.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 4, 2014, at 2:24 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
>>
>>  Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without a
>> controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows machine?
>> Install a unifi "server" ?
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> UBNT UniFi...one SSID
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
>>>
 What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage?
 Any options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or
 someone make something with true roaming?

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

Have you unplugged your fridge lately?  You have to roll it out.  That involves 
taking off the grill at the bottom and figuring out what kind of wrench you 
need to crank up the leveling screws.  Then your wife makes you pick up the 
dead mice and pet turtles and get out the vacuum and sweep up all the dog hair 
and dried up vegetables that are back there.  Then you climb back there and 
unplug it, count one Mississippi two Mississippi, plug it back in, climb back 
out, roll the fridge back, re-level it, and put the grill back on.


From: Bill Prince via Af 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 4:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

Unplug it/plug it back in is cheaper than putting in an on/off switch (or 
re-init switch).


bpOn 11/4/2014 1:46 PM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:

  I'd be happy to share in that job.


  My big beef with our brave new world is that you have to reboot everything.  

  Microwave display is screwed upunplug it and plug it back in.  
  Washing machine digital display is not responding.unplug it and plug it 
back in.
  DVD Player frozen.unplug it and plug it back in.
  Dodge Intrepid won't shift gears..turn it off and turn it back on.

  These are all true stories.  

  The internet of things will be a network of crap that doesn't work unless you 
reboot it regularly.  When they are up, the "things" will all be participating 
in a botnet.


finally someone took over Doug's job of letting us all know the sky is 
falling!?!? 

hip hip hooray...long live Ken the prognosticator!

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:

  The apocalypse is coming!


bpOn 11/4/2014 11:58 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

Soon, when your Internet goes out, you won’t even be able to open your 
garage door or flush your toilet, because it will all be in the cloud.

And as ISPs, we’ll be getting angry calls like “Is the tower down?  I 
can’t flush my toilet.”

You think I’m joking?  Remember the thread about LED bulbs interfering 
with garage door openers?  One of the suggested fixes is a garage door opener 
app on your smartphone.  I assume that only works if your smarthouse has 
working Internet.  Our hives will cease to operate if you cut the connection to 
the collective.

I’m imagining that something goes wrong with the cloud controller, and 
now I can’t even use WiFi within my house, like printing to my wireless printer 
or using Chromecast to my TV.  Yes, I know, Unifi should continue to operate 
without the controller once set up, but do some features stop working?  Like 
handoff between APs?

From: Josh Baird via Af 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

You can host them all on a single controller in your datacenter.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 4, 2014, at 2:24 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:


  Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without a 
controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows machine? 
Install a unifi "server" ?

  On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af  
wrote:

UBNT UniFi...one SSID

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af  
wrote:

  What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi 
coverage? Any options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus 
or someone make something with true roaming?

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ

[Matt via Af]

> I saw tower guys installing huge sectors with 8 ports to tower top unit and
> then fiber and RF down for AT&T in 700mhz bands
>   Antennas are huge

8 ports on each antenna or 8 ports on radio unit?


> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Nov 4, 2014 2:58 PM, "Matt via Af"  wrote:
>>
>> I hear mention of MU-MIMO in LTE.  But to deploy MU-MIMO would it not
>> require a multiple antennas in each sector with a very expensive LTE
>> base station for each sector as well?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Gino Villarini via Af 
>> wrote:
>> > If telrad adds carrier aggregation to its upcoming LTE support, then
>> > yes. 10+10 is an option
>> >
>> > Gino A. Villarini
>> > @gvillarini
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Nov 4, 2014, at 11:41 AM, Matt via Af  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Is anyone looking at both these options?  Pros and cons of one vs
>> >> other?  Throughput, Sync, Interference, spectrum efficiency, cost etc?
>> >>
>> >> What I really wander is can you bond two non adjacent 10MHZ channels
>> >> with Telrad to make a 20MHZ channel?  I know you cannot with 450 and
>> >> it might become very useful down the road.  Right now with 450 and a
>> >> perfect connection on a 20MHZ channel we can do around 80Mbps
>> >> downstream per sector.  With a 10MHZ channel and not so perfect
>> >> connections that is really getting cut back.
>> >>
>> >> Also, right now we can do ABAB quite easily with 450 gear.  With LTE
>> >> can we do  where spectrum is scarce?

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ

[Bill Prince via Af]

Sure.  Would have to be almost 30% larger than the 900 MHz equivalent.  
Full wave at 700 MHz is ~~ 42.9 cm (16.7 inches).  If they are going 
multiple wavelengths, it would have to be in units about that size.


Our 900 MHz "surfboards" are ~~ 4', or approximately 4 wavelengths.  
Something similar in 700 MHz would be (almost) 6 feet tall.


bp

On 11/4/2014 2:42 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote:


I saw tower guys installing huge sectors with 8 ports to tower top 
unit and then fiber and RF down for AT&T in 700mhz bands

  Antennas are huge

Jaime Solorza

On Nov 4, 2014 2:58 PM, "Matt via Af" > wrote:


I hear mention of MU-MIMO in LTE.  But to deploy MU-MIMO would it not
require a multiple antennas in each sector with a very expensive LTE
base station for each sector as well?


On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Gino Villarini via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> If telrad adds carrier aggregation to its upcoming LTE support,
then yes. 10+10 is an option
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> @gvillarini
>
>
>
>> On Nov 4, 2014, at 11:41 AM, Matt via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Is anyone looking at both these options?  Pros and cons of one vs
>> other?  Throughput, Sync, Interference, spectrum efficiency,
cost etc?
>>
>> What I really wander is can you bond two non adjacent 10MHZ
channels
>> with Telrad to make a 20MHZ channel?  I know you cannot with
450 and
>> it might become very useful down the road.  Right now with 450
and a
>> perfect connection on a 20MHZ channel we can do around 80Mbps
>> downstream per sector.  With a 10MHZ channel and not so perfect
>> connections that is really getting cut back.
>>
>> Also, right now we can do ABAB quite easily with 450 gear. 
With LTE

>> can we do  where spectrum is scarce?

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT: fails to respond to SNMP?

[Ty Featherling via Af]

Newer hardware type is XW including xxBeams and AC products as well as new
generation of Titanium Rockets. All of the other M gear is XM.

XW gear should not accept XM firmware and vice versa. Not sure what
happened with yours. Glad you got it fixed though.

-Ty

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:

>  It was "fixed" by installing 5.6.beta5.
>
> Sometimes ya gotta wonder.
>
> Oh.� What's the difference between the "XW series" and the "M series"?
>
> The radio was an M5 (implying the M series), but the software loaded on it
> was "XM.v5.5.6" (implying XW series).
>
> I loaded the XW series, and SNMP is now responding.� Not sure if it
> would (or wouldn't) load the M series, and since it's working (after a
> fashion), I'm not willing to gamble too much more on a new subscriber.
>
>
> bp
>
> On 11/4/2014 10:39 AM, Simon Westlake via Af wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sure the Ubiquiti gear uses OpenWRT, but I'm not 100% sure. It
> is possible to install new packages onto an OpenWRT device using 'opkg' but
> you would need a binary built for that particular CPU type.
>
> Probably more trouble than it is worth to troubleshoot a single device.
>
> On 11/4/2014 12:33 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
>
> Not that I can find.� The only things I found snmp-ish were the config
> files and the snmpd.� It's running some flavor of linux.� When I run
> nmap from outside, it shows port 161 not open, but on the other hand other
> CPEs of the same model show the same thing (and they're working).
>
> uname -a returns this:
>
> uname -a
> Linux  2.6.32.60 #1 Wed Oct 1 16:43:27 EEST 2014 mips unknown
>
>
> bp
>
> On 11/4/2014 10:07 AM, Simon Westlake via Af wrote:
>
> Does the radio have snmpget available? You could see if it can query
> itself.
>
> On 11/4/2014 11:47 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
>
> I don't really need an SNMP tester. I've run snmpget/snmpwalk from the
> CLI, and traced the interaction.� The requests are going in, just nothing
> is coming out.
>
> I have a hard time believing that some sort of hardware problem is causing
> this, as the unit seems to be performing as expected in all other respects.
>
> I've also exhausted all the software-related issues that I can think
> of.� Just very peculiar.
>
> bp
>
> On 11/4/2014 9:21 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>
> The makers of PRTG have a freeware tool that I have sometimes found
> helpful:
> http://www.paessler.com/tools/snmptester
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af Sent: Tuesday,
> November 04, 2014 11:06 AM To: Motorola III Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT: fails to
> respond to SNMP?
>
>
> This seems to be the week for weird shit problems.�� We have a new
> installation at a remote site using a UBNT nanobeam.� When we went to add
> the new CPE to our cacti system, we got a timeout on the SNMP query.
>
> No problem, probably something wrong with the SNMP settings. Nope, they
> are exactly as needed (configuration comes from a template anyway, so what
> could have gone wrong?).
>
> Well, the nanobeam was from inventory, so it was running a down-rev
> version of AirOS (5.5.6).� So I upgraded it to 5.5.10. No change.
>
> I then ran a trace from the local POP router.� The SNMP requests are
> most definitely going to the radio, just no response.
>
> So I quadruple-checked the SNMP settings.� All OK.
>
> No firewall is running on the radio.
>
> ssh'd into the radio, and the tinysnmpd is running with the correct
> parameters.
>
> "block management access" is NOT checked.
>
> What in the world am I missing?
>
>
>
>
> --
>  Simon Westlake
> *Powercode* - The smart choice in ISP billing and OSS
> powercode.com
> P: 920-351-1010
> E: si...@powercode.com
>
>
>
> --
>  Simon Westlake
> *Powercode* - The smart choice in ISP billing and OSS
> powercode.com
> P: 920-351-1010
> E: si...@powercode.com
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ

[Jaime Solorza via Af]

I saw tower guys installing huge sectors with 8 ports to tower top unit and
then fiber and RF down for AT&T in 700mhz bands
  Antennas are huge

Jaime Solorza
On Nov 4, 2014 2:58 PM, "Matt via Af"  wrote:

> I hear mention of MU-MIMO in LTE.  But to deploy MU-MIMO would it not
> require a multiple antennas in each sector with a very expensive LTE
> base station for each sector as well?
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Gino Villarini via Af 
> wrote:
> > If telrad adds carrier aggregation to its upcoming LTE support, then
> yes. 10+10 is an option
> >
> > Gino A. Villarini
> > @gvillarini
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Nov 4, 2014, at 11:41 AM, Matt via Af  wrote:
> >>
> >> Is anyone looking at both these options?  Pros and cons of one vs
> >> other?  Throughput, Sync, Interference, spectrum efficiency, cost etc?
> >>
> >> What I really wander is can you bond two non adjacent 10MHZ channels
> >> with Telrad to make a 20MHZ channel?  I know you cannot with 450 and
> >> it might become very useful down the road.  Right now with 450 and a
> >> perfect connection on a 20MHZ channel we can do around 80Mbps
> >> downstream per sector.  With a 10MHZ channel and not so perfect
> >> connections that is really getting cut back.
> >>
> >> Also, right now we can do ABAB quite easily with 450 gear.  With LTE
> >> can we do  where spectrum is scarce?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Bill Prince via Af]

Help me!  My patio light's been powned!

bp

On 11/4/2014 2:16 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

Hell ya!  Fridge that pays for itself.
*From:* Eric Kuhnke via Af 
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 3:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
your samsung internet enabled fridge has been zero dayed and is now 
participating in a tor-controlled distributed dogecoin mining syndicate.
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Adam Moffett via Af > wrote:


I'd be happy to share in that job.

My big beef with our brave new world is that you have to reboot
everything.

Microwave display is screwed upunplug it and plug it back in.
Washing machine digital display is not responding.unplug it
and plug it back in.
DVD Player frozen.unplug it and plug it back in.
Dodge Intrepid won't shift gears..turn it off and turn it back on.

These are all true stories.

The internet of things will be a network of crap that doesn't work
unless you reboot it regularly. When they are up, the "things"
will all be participating in a botnet.


finally someone took over Doug's job of letting us all know the
sky is falling!?!?
hip hip hooray...long live Ken the prognosticator!
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

The apocalypse is coming!

bp

On 11/4/2014 11:58 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

Soon, when your Internet goes out, you won’t even be able to
open your garage door or flush your toilet, because it will
all be in the cloud.
And as ISPs, we’ll be getting angry calls like “Is the tower
down?  I can’t flush my toilet.”
You think I’m joking? Remember the thread about LED bulbs
interfering with garage door openers?  One of the suggested
fixes is a garage door opener app on your smartphone.  I
assume that only works if your smarthouse has working
Internet.  Our hives will cease to operate if you cut the
connection to the collective.
I’m imagining that something goes wrong with the cloud
controller, and now I can’t even use WiFi within my house,
like printing to my wireless printer or using Chromecast to
my TV.  Yes, I know, Unifi should continue to operate
without the controller once set up, but do some features
stop working?  Like handoff between APs?
*From:* Josh Baird via Af 
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
You can host them all on a single controller in your datacenter.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 4, 2014, at 2:24 PM, TJ Trout via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it
without a controller? What do you do if the customer
doesn't have a windows machine? Install a unifi "server" ?
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

UBNT UniFi...one SSID
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

What are you guys doing to cover large homes with
good wifi coverage? Any options besides multiple
routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or someone
make something with true roaming?

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Bill Prince via Af]

Unplug it/plug it back in is cheaper than putting in an on/off switch 
(or re-init switch).


bp

On 11/4/2014 1:46 PM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:

I'd be happy to share in that job.

My big beef with our brave new world is that you have to reboot 
everything.


Microwave display is screwed upunplug it and plug it back in.
Washing machine digital display is not responding.unplug it and 
plug it back in.

DVD Player frozen.unplug it and plug it back in.
Dodge Intrepid won't shift gears..turn it off and turn it back on.

These are all true stories.

The internet of things will be a network of crap that doesn't work 
unless you reboot it regularly.  When they are up, the "things" will 
all be participating in a botnet.


finally someone took over Doug's job of letting us all know the sky 
is falling!?!?


hip hip hooray...long live Ken the prognosticator!

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af > wrote:


The apocalypse is coming!

bp

On 11/4/2014 11:58 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

Soon, when your Internet goes out, you won’t even be able to
open your garage door or flush your toilet, because it will all
be in the cloud.
And as ISPs, we’ll be getting angry calls like “Is the tower
down?  I can’t flush my toilet.”
You think I’m joking?  Remember the thread about LED bulbs
interfering with garage door openers?  One of the suggested
fixes is a garage door opener app on your smartphone.  I assume
that only works if your smarthouse has working Internet.  Our
hives will cease to operate if you cut the connection to the
collective.
I’m imagining that something goes wrong with the cloud
controller, and now I can’t even use WiFi within my house, like
printing to my wireless printer or using Chromecast to my TV. 
Yes, I know, Unifi should continue to operate without the

controller once set up, but do some features stop working?  Like
handoff between APs?
*From:* Josh Baird via Af 
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
You can host them all on a single controller in your datacenter.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 4, 2014, at 2:24 PM, TJ Trout via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it
without a controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't
have a windows machine? Install a unifi "server" ?
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

UBNT UniFi...one SSID
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good
wifi coverage? Any options besides multiple routers
with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or someone make
something with true roaming?

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Chuck McCown via Af]

Hell ya!  Fridge that pays for itself.

From: Eric Kuhnke via Af 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

your samsung internet enabled fridge has been zero dayed and is now 
participating in a tor-controlled distributed dogecoin mining syndicate.


On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Adam Moffett via Af  wrote:

  I'd be happy to share in that job.


  My big beef with our brave new world is that you have to reboot everything.  

  Microwave display is screwed upunplug it and plug it back in.  
  Washing machine digital display is not responding.unplug it and plug it 
back in.
  DVD Player frozen.unplug it and plug it back in.
  Dodge Intrepid won't shift gears..turn it off and turn it back on.

  These are all true stories.  

  The internet of things will be a network of crap that doesn't work unless you 
reboot it regularly.  When they are up, the "things" will all be participating 
in a botnet.


finally someone took over Doug's job of letting us all know the sky is 
falling!?!? 

hip hip hooray...long live Ken the prognosticator!

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:

  The apocalypse is coming!


bpOn 11/4/2014 11:58 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

Soon, when your Internet goes out, you won’t even be able to open your 
garage door or flush your toilet, because it will all be in the cloud.

And as ISPs, we’ll be getting angry calls like “Is the tower down?  I 
can’t flush my toilet.”

You think I’m joking?  Remember the thread about LED bulbs interfering 
with garage door openers?  One of the suggested fixes is a garage door opener 
app on your smartphone.  I assume that only works if your smarthouse has 
working Internet.  Our hives will cease to operate if you cut the connection to 
the collective.

I’m imagining that something goes wrong with the cloud controller, and 
now I can’t even use WiFi within my house, like printing to my wireless printer 
or using Chromecast to my TV.  Yes, I know, Unifi should continue to operate 
without the controller once set up, but do some features stop working?  Like 
handoff between APs?

From: Josh Baird via Af 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

You can host them all on a single controller in your datacenter.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 4, 2014, at 2:24 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:


  Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without a 
controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows machine? 
Install a unifi "server" ?

  On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af  
wrote:

UBNT UniFi...one SSID

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af  
wrote:

  What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi 
coverage? Any options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus 
or someone make something with true roaming?

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Eric Kuhnke via Af]

your samsung internet enabled fridge has been zero dayed and is now
participating in a tor-controlled distributed dogecoin mining syndicate.

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Adam Moffett via Af  wrote:

>  I'd be happy to share in that job.
>
> My big beef with our brave new world is that you have to reboot
> everything.
>
> Microwave display is screwed upunplug it and plug it back in.
> Washing machine digital display is not responding.unplug it and plug
> it back in.
> DVD Player frozen.unplug it and plug it back in.
> Dodge Intrepid won't shift gears..turn it off and turn it back on.
>
> These are all true stories.
>
> The internet of things will be a network of crap that doesn't work unless
> you reboot it regularly.  When they are up, the "things" will all be
> participating in a botnet.
>
>  finally someone took over Doug's job of letting us all know the sky is
> falling!?!?
>
>  hip hip hooray...long live Ken the prognosticator!
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:
>
>>  The apocalypse is coming!
>>
>> bp
>>
>>  On 11/4/2014 11:58 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>>
>>  Soon, when your Internet goes out, you won’t even be able to open your
>> garage door or flush your toilet, because it will all be in the cloud.
>>
>> And as ISPs, we’ll be getting angry calls like “Is the tower down?  I
>> can’t flush my toilet.”
>>
>> You think I’m joking?  Remember the thread about LED bulbs interfering
>> with garage door openers?  One of the suggested fixes is a garage door
>> opener app on your smartphone.  I assume that only works if your smarthouse
>> has working Internet.  Our hives will cease to operate if you cut the
>> connection to the collective.
>>
>> I’m imagining that something goes wrong with the cloud controller, and
>> now I can’t even use WiFi within my house, like printing to my wireless
>> printer or using Chromecast to my TV.  Yes, I know, Unifi should continue
>> to operate without the controller once set up, but do some features stop
>> working?  Like handoff between APs?
>>
>>  *From:* Josh Baird via Af 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:47 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>>
>>   You can host them all on a single controller in your datacenter.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 4, 2014, at 2:24 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
>>
>>   Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without a
>> controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows machine?
>> Install a unifi "server" ?
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> UBNT UniFi...one SSID
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
>>>
 What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage?
 Any options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or
 someone make something with true roaming?

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] New Toy

[Sam Lambie via Af]

How wide is the channel for full throughput in the US?


On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Jaime Solorza via Af  wrote:

> Nice. Thx
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On Nov 4, 2014 6:37 AM, "Stefan Englhardt via Af"  wrote:
>
>> With our ETSI power limits I should see up to 300Mbps (128QAM) both ways.
>>
>> At the moment I see „only“ 240 Mbps (64QAM). The polarisation is
>>
>> shown wrong. Signal is exactly as calculated. Talking to support now to
>> wrench out
>>
>> some Mbps. In US I would see 470Mbps on this link.
>>
>>
>>
>> Latency as always <1ms.
>>
>>
>>
>> Happy to move another link out of the 5GHz Band.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Jaime Solorza
>> via Af
>> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 4. November 2014 14:19
>> *An:* Animal Farm
>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] New Toy
>>
>>
>>
>> Cool. Curious to see much you can push through link.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Nov 3, 2014 9:39 PM, "Stefan Englhardt via Af"  wrote:
>>
>> one mile
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* Jay Weekley via Af 
>> *Gesendet:* ‎Dienstag‎, ‎4‎. ‎November‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎57
>> *An:* Jay Weekley via Af 
>>
>>
>>
>> Welcher Entfernung
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Nov 3, 2014 12:17 PM, "Stefan Englhardt via Af"  wrote:
>>
>> > Integra 24GHz. Love it. Easy to mount. No need to crimp. Small profile.
>> > I will mount the second side tomorrow and see how it performs.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>


-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ

[Matt via Af]

I hear mention of MU-MIMO in LTE.  But to deploy MU-MIMO would it not
require a multiple antennas in each sector with a very expensive LTE
base station for each sector as well?


On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Gino Villarini via Af  wrote:
> If telrad adds carrier aggregation to its upcoming LTE support, then yes. 
> 10+10 is an option
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> @gvillarini
>
>
>
>> On Nov 4, 2014, at 11:41 AM, Matt via Af  wrote:
>>
>> Is anyone looking at both these options?  Pros and cons of one vs
>> other?  Throughput, Sync, Interference, spectrum efficiency, cost etc?
>>
>> What I really wander is can you bond two non adjacent 10MHZ channels
>> with Telrad to make a 20MHZ channel?  I know you cannot with 450 and
>> it might become very useful down the road.  Right now with 450 and a
>> perfect connection on a 20MHZ channel we can do around 80Mbps
>> downstream per sector.  With a 10MHZ channel and not so perfect
>> connections that is really getting cut back.
>>
>> Also, right now we can do ABAB quite easily with 450 gear.  With LTE
>> can we do  where spectrum is scarce?

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Adam Moffett via Af]

I'd be happy to share in that job.

My big beef with our brave new world is that you have to reboot everything.

Microwave display is screwed upunplug it and plug it back in.
Washing machine digital display is not responding.unplug it and plug 
it back in.

DVD Player frozen.unplug it and plug it back in.
Dodge Intrepid won't shift gears..turn it off and turn it back on.

These are all true stories.

The internet of things will be a network of crap that doesn't work 
unless you reboot it regularly.  When they are up, the "things" will all 
be participating in a botnet.


finally someone took over Doug's job of letting us all know the sky is 
falling!?!?


hip hip hooray...long live Ken the prognosticator!

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af > wrote:


The apocalypse is coming!

bp

On 11/4/2014 11:58 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

Soon, when your Internet goes out, you won’t even be able to open
your garage door or flush your toilet, because it will all be in
the cloud.
And as ISPs, we’ll be getting angry calls like “Is the tower
down?  I can’t flush my toilet.”
You think I’m joking?  Remember the thread about LED bulbs
interfering with garage door openers?  One of the suggested fixes
is a garage door opener app on your smartphone.  I assume that
only works if your smarthouse has working Internet.  Our hives
will cease to operate if you cut the connection to the collective.
I’m imagining that something goes wrong with the cloud
controller, and now I can’t even use WiFi within my house, like
printing to my wireless printer or using Chromecast to my TV.
Yes, I know, Unifi should continue to operate without the
controller once set up, but do some features stop working?  Like
handoff between APs?
*From:* Josh Baird via Af 
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
You can host them all on a single controller in your datacenter.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 4, 2014, at 2:24 PM, TJ Trout via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without
a controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't have a
windows machine? Install a unifi "server" ?
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

UBNT UniFi...one SSID
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good
wifi coverage? Any options besides multiple routers with
multiple ssid's? Does rukus or someone make something
with true roaming?

Re: [AFMUG] The One Time I like Trees

[Eric Kuhnke via Af]

I think he's charting the radio's reported theoretical radio data rate,
because the ubnt radios don't expose an OID for MCS1-MCS7 and MCS8-MCS15

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 8:21 AM, David via Af  wrote:

>  OMG!. Is the Blue the OutIF and the GREEN InIF ?
> That circuit looks FLAT LINED :)
>
> On 11/04/2014 10:00 AM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:
>
> UBNT Modulation.� This is on a Near LOS Shot.� Can you tell when the
> leaves are on the trees and blocking out other interference?
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Sean Heskett via Af]

finally someone took over Doug's job of letting us all know the sky is
falling!?!?

hip hip hooray...long live Ken the prognosticator!

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:

>  The apocalypse is coming!
>
> bp
>
> On 11/4/2014 11:58 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>
>  Soon, when your Internet goes out, you won’t even be able to open your
> garage door or flush your toilet, because it will all be in the cloud.
>
> And as ISPs, we’ll be getting angry calls like “Is the tower down?  I
> can’t flush my toilet.”
>
> You think I’m joking?  Remember the thread about LED bulbs interfering
> with garage door openers?  One of the suggested fixes is a garage door
> opener app on your smartphone.  I assume that only works if your smarthouse
> has working Internet.  Our hives will cease to operate if you cut the
> connection to the collective.
>
> I’m imagining that something goes wrong with the cloud controller, and now
> I can’t even use WiFi within my house, like printing to my wireless printer
> or using Chromecast to my TV.  Yes, I know, Unifi should continue to
> operate without the controller once set up, but do some features stop
> working?  Like handoff between APs?
>
>  *From:* Josh Baird via Af 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:47 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>
>  You can host them all on a single controller in your datacenter.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 4, 2014, at 2:24 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
>
>   Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without a
> controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows machine?
> Install a unifi "server" ?
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af  wrote:
>
>> UBNT UniFi...one SSID
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
>>
>>> What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage?
>>> Any options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or
>>> someone make something with true roaming?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AC

[Bill Prince via Af]

As in this year or next year?

bp

On 11/4/2014 12:31 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:

Software.. soon!

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT: fails to respond to SNMP?

[Bill Prince via Af]

It was "fixed" by installing 5.6.beta5.

Sometimes ya gotta wonder.

Oh.  What's the difference between the "XW series" and the "M series"?

The radio was an M5 (implying the M series), but the software loaded on 
it was "XM.v5.5.6" (implying XW series).


I loaded the XW series, and SNMP is now responding.  Not sure if it 
would (or wouldn't) load the M series, and since it's working (after a 
fashion), I'm not willing to gamble too much more on a new subscriber.



bp

On 11/4/2014 10:39 AM, Simon Westlake via Af wrote:
I'm pretty sure the Ubiquiti gear uses OpenWRT, but I'm not 100% sure. 
It is possible to install new packages onto an OpenWRT device using 
'opkg' but you would need a binary built for that particular CPU type.


Probably more trouble than it is worth to troubleshoot a single device.

On 11/4/2014 12:33 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
Not that I can find.� The only things I found snmp-ish were the 
config files and the snmpd.� It's running some flavor of linux.� 
When I run nmap from outside, it shows port 161 not open, but on the 
other hand other CPEs of the same model show the same thing (and 
they're working).


uname -a returns this:

uname -a
Linux  2.6.32.60 #1 Wed Oct 1 16:43:27 EEST 2014 mips
unknown


bp
On 11/4/2014 10:07 AM, Simon Westlake via Af wrote:
Does the radio have snmpget available? You could see if it can query 
itself.


On 11/4/2014 11:47 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
I don't really need an SNMP tester. I've run snmpget/snmpwalk from 
the CLI, and traced the interaction.� The requests are going in, 
just nothing is coming out.


I have a hard time believing that some sort of hardware problem is 
causing this, as the unit seems to be performing as expected in all 
other respects.


I've also exhausted all the software-related issues that I can 
think of.� Just very peculiar.


bp

On 11/4/2014 9:21 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
The makers of PRTG have a freeware tool that I have sometimes 
found helpful:

http://www.paessler.com/tools/snmptester



-Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af Sent: Tuesday, 
November 04, 2014 11:06 AM To: Motorola III Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT: 
fails to respond to SNMP?



This seems to be the week for weird shit problems.�� We have a 
new installation at a remote site using a UBNT nanobeam.� When 
we went to add the new CPE to our cacti system, we got a timeout 
on the SNMP query.


No problem, probably something wrong with the SNMP settings. Nope, 
they are exactly as needed (configuration comes from a template 
anyway, so what could have gone wrong?).


Well, the nanobeam was from inventory, so it was running a 
down-rev version of AirOS (5.5.6).� So I upgraded it to 5.5.10. 
No change.


I then ran a trace from the local POP router.� The SNMP requests 
are most definitely going to the radio, just no response.


So I quadruple-checked the SNMP settings.� All OK.

No firewall is running on the radio.

ssh'd into the radio, and the tinysnmpd is running with the 
correct parameters.


"block management access" is NOT checked.

What in the world am I missing?






--
Simon Westlake
*Powercode* - The smart choice in ISP billing and OSS
powercode.com 
P: 920-351-1010
E: si...@powercode.com




--
Simon Westlake
*Powercode* - The smart choice in ISP billing and OSS
powercode.com 
P: 920-351-1010
E: si...@powercode.com

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Caleb Knauer via Af]

If you're running a guest network with authentication portal (TOC,
password, or hotspot) then it will allow everyone to get online
without auth (user auth, not WPA) until the controller comes back on.
Otherwise the controller only has to run to pull down stats or make
config changes.

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
> Soon, when your Internet goes out, you won’t even be able to open your
> garage door or flush your toilet, because it will all be in the cloud.
>
> And as ISPs, we’ll be getting angry calls like “Is the tower down?  I can’t
> flush my toilet.”
>
> You think I’m joking?  Remember the thread about LED bulbs interfering with
> garage door openers?  One of the suggested fixes is a garage door opener app
> on your smartphone.  I assume that only works if your smarthouse has working
> Internet.  Our hives will cease to operate if you cut the connection to the
> collective.
>
> I’m imagining that something goes wrong with the cloud controller, and now I
> can’t even use WiFi within my house, like printing to my wireless printer or
> using Chromecast to my TV.  Yes, I know, Unifi should continue to operate
> without the controller once set up, but do some features stop working?  Like
> handoff between APs?
>
> From: Josh Baird via Af
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:47 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>
> You can host them all on a single controller in your datacenter.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 4, 2014, at 2:24 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
>
> Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without a
> controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows machine?
> Install a unifi "server" ?
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af  wrote:
>>
>> UBNT UniFi...one SSID
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>> What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage? Any
>>> options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or someone
>>> make something with true roaming?
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AC

[Peter Kranz via Af]

Hardware already available..

Software.. soon!

 

Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie via Af
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 10:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AC

 

Has anyone heard of a timeline on the availability of ptmp AC in Ubiquiti's 
lineup?

 

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Bill Prince via Af]

The apocalypse is coming!

bp

On 11/4/2014 11:58 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
Soon, when your Internet goes out, you won’t even be able to open your 
garage door or flush your toilet, because it will all be in the cloud.
And as ISPs, we’ll be getting angry calls like “Is the tower down?  I 
can’t flush my toilet.”
You think I’m joking?  Remember the thread about LED bulbs interfering 
with garage door openers?  One of the suggested fixes is a garage door 
opener app on your smartphone.  I assume that only works if your 
smarthouse has working Internet.  Our hives will cease to operate if 
you cut the connection to the collective.
I’m imagining that something goes wrong with the cloud controller, and 
now I can’t even use WiFi within my house, like printing to my 
wireless printer or using Chromecast to my TV.  Yes, I know, Unifi 
should continue to operate without the controller once set up, but do 
some features stop working?  Like handoff between APs?

*From:* Josh Baird via Af 
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
You can host them all on a single controller in your datacenter.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 4, 2014, at 2:24 PM, TJ Trout via Af > wrote:


Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without a 
controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows 
machine? Install a unifi "server" ?
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af > wrote:


UBNT UniFi...one SSID
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi
coverage? Any options besides multiple routers with multiple
ssid's? Does rukus or someone make something with true roaming?

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Jaime Solorza via Af]

I worked on some antenna installs in Midland using Cisco AC AP with 4
ports.   Boat anchor without controller. Supposed to do channel mgt.
Funny all on same 2.4 and 5Ghz channels all over each other
Never liked hardware controller concept.Maybe Xirrus one I will testing
will convince me

Jaime Solorza
On Nov 4, 2014 12:33 PM, "Super WISP via Af"  wrote:

>  Ruckus’ enterprise product does offer a “Smart Roaming” feature when a
> controller is added.  HP has a better option via the cloud.  Hit me off
> line to get more info from our support staff.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> *Mark Chamerlik*
> *WAV®, Inc*
> *Strategic Account Manager* *East Coast*
> *630-818-1004 <630-818-1004> Direct*
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>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:20 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>
>
>
> What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage? Any
> options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or
> someone make something with true roaming?
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Chris Wright via Af]

The controller is not a permanent fixture. You use your laptop w/ the 
controller software, setup the AP’s, then leave. They’ll operate on their own 
just fine.

Chris Wright
Velociter Wireless

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 11:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without a controller? 
What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows machine? Install a unifi 
"server" ?

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
UBNT UniFi...one SSID

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage? Any 
options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or someone 
make something with true roaming?

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Jaime Solorza via Af]

Unifi. Configure it with your laptop on their network.  Done.

Jaime Solorza
On Nov 4, 2014 12:20 PM, "TJ Trout via Af"  wrote:

> What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage? Any
> options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or
> someone make something with true roaming?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

Soon, when your Internet goes out, you won’t even be able to open your garage 
door or flush your toilet, because it will all be in the cloud.

And as ISPs, we’ll be getting angry calls like “Is the tower down?  I can’t 
flush my toilet.”

You think I’m joking?  Remember the thread about LED bulbs interfering with 
garage door openers?  One of the suggested fixes is a garage door opener app on 
your smartphone.  I assume that only works if your smarthouse has working 
Internet.  Our hives will cease to operate if you cut the connection to the 
collective.

I’m imagining that something goes wrong with the cloud controller, and now I 
can’t even use WiFi within my house, like printing to my wireless printer or 
using Chromecast to my TV.  Yes, I know, Unifi should continue to operate 
without the controller once set up, but do some features stop working?  Like 
handoff between APs?

From: Josh Baird via Af 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

You can host them all on a single controller in your datacenter.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 4, 2014, at 2:24 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:


  Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without a 
controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows machine? 
Install a unifi "server" ?

  On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af  wrote:

UBNT UniFi...one SSID

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:

  What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage? Any 
options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or someone 
make something with true roaming?

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Josh Baird via Af]

You can host them all on a single controller in your datacenter.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 4, 2014, at 2:24 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
> 
> Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without a 
> controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows machine? 
> Install a unifi "server" ?
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af  wrote:
>> UBNT UniFi...one SSID
>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
>>> What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage? Any 
>>> options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or 
>>> someone make something with true roaming?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Sean Heskett via Af]

no we put them all on our one amazon cloud controller

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:24 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:

> Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without a
> controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows machine?
> Install a unifi "server" ?
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af  wrote:
>
>> UBNT UniFi...one SSID
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
>>
>>> What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage?
>>> Any options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or
>>> someone make something with true roaming?
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Super WISP via Af]

Ruckus has also come out with a “Ubiquiti Alternative” called Xclaim.  
www.xclaimwireless.com.

Mark Chamerlik
WAV®, Inc
Strategic Account Manager East Coast
630-818-1004 Direct
630-818-4452 Fax
800-678-2419 X 1004 Toll Free
ma...@wavonline.com (OR URGENT NEEDS TO 
tea...@wavonline.com)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Super WISP via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

Ruckus’ enterprise product does offer a “Smart Roaming” feature when a 
controller is added.  HP has a better option via the cloud.  Hit me off line to 
get more info from our support staff.

Thanks,

Mark Chamerlik
WAV®, Inc
Strategic Account Manager East Coast
630-818-1004 Direct
630-818-4452 Fax
800-678-2419 X 1004 Toll Free
ma...@wavonline.com (OR URGENT NEEDS TO 
tea...@wavonline.com)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage? Any 
options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or someone 
make something with true roaming?





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Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Super WISP via Af]

Ruckus’ enterprise product does offer a “Smart Roaming” feature when a 
controller is added.  HP has a better option via the cloud.  Hit me off line to 
get more info from our support staff.

Thanks,

Mark Chamerlik
WAV®, Inc
Strategic Account Manager East Coast
630-818-1004 Direct
630-818-4452 Fax
800-678-2419 X 1004 Toll Free
ma...@wavonline.com (OR URGENT NEEDS TO 
tea...@wavonline.com)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage? Any 
options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or someone 
make something with true roaming?



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Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Dennis Burgess via Af]

MT with MAPs simple, same SSID and more configurable.  J 

 

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 2:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

 

Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without a controller? 
What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows machine? Install a unifi 
"server" ?

 

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af  wrote:

UBNT UniFi...one SSID

 

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:

What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage? Any 
options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or someone 
make something with true roaming?

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Heith Petersen via Af]

We have been upselling those customers to UniFi. Wireless repeater mode works 
great, same SSID, security, etc. At times we have been adding their site to our 
Amazon cloud server just for better management. Depends on how deep a person 
wants to get with support on the customer system

 

heith

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

 

What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage? Any 
options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or someone 
make something with true roaming?

Re: [AFMUG] How to know when control slots are too low

[Sean Heskett via Af]

unless you have more than 75ish clients on an AP (not recommended unless
you are selling 256K plans ;-)

FSK - set at 3 or 4
430 and 450 set at 6 or 8 (or more there is minimal throughput hit since
the APs have much more capacity than FSK)

i think one of the RF overload stats could tell you if it's having
problems, but i've never seen issues with the above settings.

2 cents


On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Joe Camadine via Af  wrote:

>  Hey guys, i'm not sure i know of a proper method to determine if our
> control slots are too low. How does one diagnose when its time to up the
> control slots ?
>
>
>
> Joe Camadine
>
> Network Systems Engineer
>
> NYAir.net
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[TJ Trout via Af]

Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without a
controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows machine?
Install a unifi "server" ?

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af  wrote:

> UBNT UniFi...one SSID
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
>
>> What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage? Any
>> options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or
>> someone make something with true roaming?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Sean Heskett via Af]

UBNT UniFi...one SSID

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:

> What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage? Any
> options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or
> someone make something with true roaming?
>

[AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[TJ Trout via Af]

What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage? Any
options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or
someone make something with true roaming?

[AFMUG] How to know when control slots are too low

[Joe Camadine via Af]

Hey guys, i'm not sure i know of a proper method to determine if our control 
slots are too low. How does one diagnose when its time to up the control slots ?

Joe Camadine
Network Systems Engineer
NYAir.net

Re: [AFMUG] The One Time I like Trees

[Josh Reynolds via Af]

Hilarious :)

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com 

On 11/04/2014 07:00 AM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:
UBNT Modulation.  This is on a Near LOS Shot.  Can you tell when the 
leaves are on the trees and blocking out other interference?

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT: fails to respond to SNMP?

[Simon Westlake via Af]

I'm pretty sure the Ubiquiti gear uses OpenWRT, but I'm not 100% sure. 
It is possible to install new packages onto an OpenWRT device using 
'opkg' but you would need a binary built for that particular CPU type.


Probably more trouble than it is worth to troubleshoot a single device.

On 11/4/2014 12:33 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
Not that I can find.� The only things I found snmp-ish were the 
config files and the snmpd.� It's running some flavor of linux.� 
When I run nmap from outside, it shows port 161 not open, but on the 
other hand other CPEs of the same model show the same thing (and 
they're working).


uname -a returns this:

uname -a
Linux  2.6.32.60 #1 Wed Oct 1 16:43:27 EEST 2014 mips
unknown


bp
On 11/4/2014 10:07 AM, Simon Westlake via Af wrote:
Does the radio have snmpget available? You could see if it can query 
itself.


On 11/4/2014 11:47 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
I don't really need an SNMP tester. I've run snmpget/snmpwalk from 
the CLI, and traced the interaction.� The requests are going in, 
just nothing is coming out.


I have a hard time believing that some sort of hardware problem is 
causing this, as the unit seems to be performing as expected in all 
other respects.


I've also exhausted all the software-related issues that I can think 
of.� Just very peculiar.


bp

On 11/4/2014 9:21 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
The makers of PRTG have a freeware tool that I have sometimes found 
helpful:

http://www.paessler.com/tools/snmptester



-Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af Sent: Tuesday, 
November 04, 2014 11:06 AM To: Motorola III Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT: 
fails to respond to SNMP?



This seems to be the week for weird shit problems.�� We have a 
new installation at a remote site using a UBNT nanobeam.� When we 
went to add the new CPE to our cacti system, we got a timeout on 
the SNMP query.


No problem, probably something wrong with the SNMP settings. Nope, 
they are exactly as needed (configuration comes from a template 
anyway, so what could have gone wrong?).


Well, the nanobeam was from inventory, so it was running a down-rev 
version of AirOS (5.5.6).� So I upgraded it to 5.5.10. No change.


I then ran a trace from the local POP router.� The SNMP requests 
are most definitely going to the radio, just no response.


So I quadruple-checked the SNMP settings.� All OK.

No firewall is running on the radio.

ssh'd into the radio, and the tinysnmpd is running with the correct 
parameters.


"block management access" is NOT checked.

What in the world am I missing?






--
Simon Westlake
*Powercode* - The smart choice in ISP billing and OSS
powercode.com 
P: 920-351-1010
E: si...@powercode.com




--
Simon Westlake
*Powercode* - The smart choice in ISP billing and OSS
powercode.com 
P: 920-351-1010
E: si...@powercode.com

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT: fails to respond to SNMP?

[Bill Prince via Af]

Not that I can find.  The only things I found snmp-ish were the config 
files and the snmpd.  It's running some flavor of linux.  When I run 
nmap from outside, it shows port 161 not open, but on the other hand 
other CPEs of the same model show the same thing (and they're working).


uname -a returns this:

   uname -a
   Linux  2.6.32.60 #1 Wed Oct 1 16:43:27 EEST 2014 mips unknown


bp

On 11/4/2014 10:07 AM, Simon Westlake via Af wrote:
Does the radio have snmpget available? You could see if it can query 
itself.


On 11/4/2014 11:47 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
I don't really need an SNMP tester. I've run snmpget/snmpwalk from 
the CLI, and traced the interaction.� The requests are going in, 
just nothing is coming out.


I have a hard time believing that some sort of hardware problem is 
causing this, as the unit seems to be performing as expected in all 
other respects.


I've also exhausted all the software-related issues that I can think 
of.� Just very peculiar.


bp

On 11/4/2014 9:21 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
The makers of PRTG have a freeware tool that I have sometimes found 
helpful:

http://www.paessler.com/tools/snmptester



-Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af Sent: Tuesday, 
November 04, 2014 11:06 AM To: Motorola III Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT: 
fails to respond to SNMP?



This seems to be the week for weird shit problems.�� We have a 
new installation at a remote site using a UBNT nanobeam.� When we 
went to add the new CPE to our cacti system, we got a timeout on the 
SNMP query.


No problem, probably something wrong with the SNMP settings. Nope, 
they are exactly as needed (configuration comes from a template 
anyway, so what could have gone wrong?).


Well, the nanobeam was from inventory, so it was running a down-rev 
version of AirOS (5.5.6).� So I upgraded it to 5.5.10. No change.


I then ran a trace from the local POP router.� The SNMP requests 
are most definitely going to the radio, just no response.


So I quadruple-checked the SNMP settings.� All OK.

No firewall is running on the radio.

ssh'd into the radio, and the tinysnmpd is running with the correct 
parameters.


"block management access" is NOT checked.

What in the world am I missing?






--
Simon Westlake
*Powercode* - The smart choice in ISP billing and OSS
powercode.com 
P: 920-351-1010
E: si...@powercode.com

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af]

I was myself for halloween, everyone was frightened.

On 11/4/2014 11:18 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

I was the pointy haired boss for halloween.

-Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

Then take Chuck's bet.  Maybe win a six pack of O'Douls or something.

Personally I think it will happen.  Right around the time they sell 
off the

430 SM inventory.  Oh, and read today's Dilbert.


-Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 10:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

Well crap on a cracker.

One would think that they've been working toward this for the last
year.  I would think that everyone would benefit from just using the 450
SM in all cases.  Cambium would benefit from economies of scale, we
would benefit from reducing inventory, yada yada yada.

bp

On 11/4/2014 6:33 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

I would bet against it.


On 11/4/14, 9:55 AM, "Adam Moffett via Af"  wrote:


Will they ever make the 450SM talk to our old 430AP's ?

I hate buying two different types of SM's, especially knowing that I'll
want to replace the damn 430 with a 450 later.

Re: [AFMUG] Network monitor.

[Joshua Heide via Af]

Yea seems like prtg is still the way to go for important things. I would love 
to have the unlimited lic and just do everything on it (adding all our customer 
units). Prtg auto discovery works really well but, unlimited lic is $10,800 ☹

Josh Heide
Velociter Wireless
(office) 209-838-1221
(fax) 209-838-1800
www.velociter.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robbie Wright via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network monitor.

Yup, like Josh said. Observium is pretty sweet and good be awesomer. We've been 
pushing on them for some better support for wireless devices but haven't got 
any movement on it yet, even with quite a few offers to pay them. For us, we 
use PRTG for critical devices to alter us in email, sms, etc because Observium 
can only test every 5 minutes and still have some hokiness in alerting. But it 
kicks butt at tracking traffic, 95th % stuff, and even things like tracking 
firmware versions, and autodiscovery. We've integrated SmokePing into it for 
some better ping stats and are working on using some of their unix agents for 
bind, apache, and mysql. Rancid is on our list as well.


Robbie Wright
Siuslaw Broadband
541-902-5101

On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Didn't look.



We're not using rancid at this time.

Everything I've configured I've done using this: 
http://www.observium.org/wiki/Configuration_Options

Or via the observium mailing list... like setup a ramdisk to push all of the 
.rrd's to before syncing with a folder on the SSD array (every 6 hrs).

I've been on there with Robbie Wright, Chris Ruschman, and a few others trying 
to get them to support certain products. I guess I'll just have to push a pile 
of cash their way. I really like observium as a whole.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
On 11/03/2014 04:08 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
Link I posted earlier.  1:53


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Josh Reynolds via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2014 7:07:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network monitor.
Miller's blog?

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
On 11/03/2014 02:51 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
Missing anything from Miller's blog?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Josh Reynolds via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2014 5:45:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network monitor.
oops forgot about syslog! :) We have all of our observium monitored devices 
sending syslog info to it as well

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
On 11/03/2014 10:54 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
Observium and LibreNMS are what the cool kids are running these days.

A friend of mine put out a series of blog posts regarding how to install 
Observium and then how to integrate it with various other services like syslog, 
Rancid, etc.

http://bit.ly/1qmtAKW


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Joshua Heide via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2014 12:38:00 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Network monitor.
Besides prtg and cacti is there anything else out there worth looking into. 
Currently we use prtg to monitor all of our towers and things at our noc. Then 
we use cacti to monitor our customers. Just curious what you guys use and if 
there anything new coming out.

Thanks,

Josh Heide
Velociter Wireless
(office) 209-838-1221
(fax) 209-838-1800
www.velociter.net

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT: fails to respond to SNMP?

[Simon Westlake via Af]

Does the radio have snmpget available? You could see if it can query itself.

On 11/4/2014 11:47 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
I don't really need an SNMP tester. I've run snmpget/snmpwalk from the 
CLI, and traced the interaction.  The requests are going in, just 
nothing is coming out.


I have a hard time believing that some sort of hardware problem is 
causing this, as the unit seems to be performing as expected in all 
other respects.


I've also exhausted all the software-related issues that I can think 
of.  Just very peculiar.


bp

On 11/4/2014 9:21 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
The makers of PRTG have a freeware tool that I have sometimes found 
helpful:

http://www.paessler.com/tools/snmptester



-Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af Sent: Tuesday, 
November 04, 2014 11:06 AM To: Motorola III Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT: 
fails to respond to SNMP?



This seems to be the week for weird shit problems.   We have a new 
installation at a remote site using a UBNT nanobeam.  When we went to 
add the new CPE to our cacti system, we got a timeout on the SNMP query.


No problem, probably something wrong with the SNMP settings. Nope, 
they are exactly as needed (configuration comes from a template 
anyway, so what could have gone wrong?).


Well, the nanobeam was from inventory, so it was running a down-rev 
version of AirOS (5.5.6).  So I upgraded it to 5.5.10. No change.


I then ran a trace from the local POP router.  The SNMP requests are 
most definitely going to the radio, just no response.


So I quadruple-checked the SNMP settings.  All OK.

No firewall is running on the radio.

ssh'd into the radio, and the tinysnmpd is running with the correct 
parameters.


"block management access" is NOT checked.

What in the world am I missing?






--
Simon Westlake
*Powercode* - The smart choice in ISP billing and OSS
powercode.com 
P: 920-351-1010
E: si...@powercode.com

Re: [AFMUG] Cacti

[Garrett Fosmark via Af]

Thanks for your response, I'll see if that's my issue.

-Garrett

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cacti

It doesn't seem that way to me.

The only time I've had issues with cacti with that kind of problem were (1) 
attempting to run cacti on a Windows machine, and (2) running the CLI-based 
poller.

My experience was that a Windows machine just required a whole lot more 
horsepower to do the same work as a Linux-based machine (like an order of 
magnitude).   The CLI-based poller also required a lot more resources to do the 
same work.

Check your cacti log to see how long your polling cycles are taking.  If it's > 
300 seconds that would explain a lot of your issues.



bp
On 11/4/2014 9:38 AM, Garrett Fosmark via Af wrote:
Is it just me or is cacti just unstable? It seems like at least once every two 
weeks devices will either disappear, the poller cache needs to be rebuilt or 
different ping methods need to be selected in order to get devices to start 
graphing again. That or graphs will say Nan for a day and then go back to 
normal.

-Garrett

Re: [AFMUG] Cacti

[Garrett Fosmark via Af]

Thanks for the response. I'll look into that.

-Garrett

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber 
Broadcasting) via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cacti

I have my Cacti setup on a resource constrained machine right now and I do not 
have the problems you describe.

And if you're not running the spine poller, you should be, it is much more 
efficient. My poll time dropped from almost 2 minutes to under 20 seconds for 
about 400 devices.

On 11/4/2014 11:38 AM, Garrett Fosmark via Af wrote:
Is it just me or is cacti just unstable? It seems like at least once every two 
weeks devices will either disappear, the poller cache needs to be rebuilt or 
different ping methods need to be selected in order to get devices to start 
graphing again. That or graphs will say Nan for a day and then go back to 
normal.
�
-Garrett

Re: [AFMUG] Cacti

[Bill Prince via Af]

It doesn't seem that way to me.

The only time I've had issues with cacti with that kind of problem were 
(1) attempting to run cacti on a Windows machine, and (2) running the 
CLI-based poller.


My experience was that a Windows machine just required a whole lot more 
horsepower to do the same work as a Linux-based machine (like an order 
of magnitude).   The CLI-based poller also required a lot more resources 
to do the same work.


Check your cacti log to see how long your polling cycles are taking.  If 
it's > 300 seconds that would explain a lot of your issues.


bp

On 11/4/2014 9:38 AM, Garrett Fosmark via Af wrote:


Is it just me or is cacti just unstable? It seems like at least once 
every two weeks devices will either disappear, the poller cache needs 
to be rebuilt or different ping methods need to be selected in order 
to get devices to start graphing again. That or graphs will say Nan 
for a day and then go back to normal.


-Garrett

Re: [AFMUG] Cacti

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af]

I have my Cacti setup on a resource constrained machine right now and I 
do not have the problems you describe.


And if you're not running the spine poller, you should be, it is much 
more efficient. My poll time dropped from almost 2 minutes to under 20 
seconds for about 400 devices.


On 11/4/2014 11:38 AM, Garrett Fosmark via Af wrote:


Is it just me or is cacti just unstable? It seems like at least once 
every two weeks devices will either disappear, the poller cache needs 
to be rebuilt or different ping methods need to be selected in order 
to get devices to start graphing again. That or graphs will say Nan 
for a day and then go back to normal.


-Garrett

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT: fails to respond to SNMP?

[Bill Prince via Af]

I don't really need an SNMP tester. I've run snmpget/snmpwalk from the 
CLI, and traced the interaction.  The requests are going in, just 
nothing is coming out.


I have a hard time believing that some sort of hardware problem is 
causing this, as the unit seems to be performing as expected in all 
other respects.


I've also exhausted all the software-related issues that I can think 
of.  Just very peculiar.


bp

On 11/4/2014 9:21 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
The makers of PRTG have a freeware tool that I have sometimes found 
helpful:

http://www.paessler.com/tools/snmptester



-Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af Sent: Tuesday, 
November 04, 2014 11:06 AM To: Motorola III Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT: 
fails to respond to SNMP?



This seems to be the week for weird shit problems.   We have a new 
installation at a remote site using a UBNT nanobeam.  When we went to 
add the new CPE to our cacti system, we got a timeout on the SNMP query.


No problem, probably something wrong with the SNMP settings. Nope, 
they are exactly as needed (configuration comes from a template 
anyway, so what could have gone wrong?).


Well, the nanobeam was from inventory, so it was running a down-rev 
version of AirOS (5.5.6).  So I upgraded it to 5.5.10. No change.


I then ran a trace from the local POP router.  The SNMP requests are 
most definitely going to the radio, just no response.


So I quadruple-checked the SNMP settings.  All OK.

No firewall is running on the radio.

ssh'd into the radio, and the tinysnmpd is running with the correct 
parameters.


"block management access" is NOT checked.

What in the world am I missing?

[AFMUG] Cacti

[Garrett Fosmark via Af]

Is it just me or is cacti just unstable? It seems like at least once every two 
weeks devices will either disappear, the poller cache needs to be rebuilt or 
different ping methods need to be selected in order to get devices to start 
graphing again. That or graphs will say Nan for a day and then go back to 
normal.

-Garrett

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT: fails to respond to SNMP?

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

The makers of PRTG have a freeware tool that I have sometimes found helpful:
http://www.paessler.com/tools/snmptester



-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince via Af 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 11:06 AM 
To: Motorola III 
Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT: fails to respond to SNMP? 




This seems to be the week for weird shit problems.   We have a new 
installation at a remote site using a UBNT nanobeam.  When we went to 
add the new CPE to our cacti system, we got a timeout on the SNMP query.


No problem, probably something wrong with the SNMP settings.  Nope, they 
are exactly as needed (configuration comes from a template anyway, so 
what could have gone wrong?).


Well, the nanobeam was from inventory, so it was running a down-rev 
version of AirOS (5.5.6).  So I upgraded it to 5.5.10.  No change.


I then ran a trace from the local POP router.  The SNMP requests are 
most definitely going to the radio, just no response.


So I quadruple-checked the SNMP settings.  All OK.

No firewall is running on the radio.

ssh'd into the radio, and the tinysnmpd is running with the correct 
parameters.


"block management access" is NOT checked.

What in the world am I missing?


--
bp

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

[Chuck McCown via Af]

I was the pointy haired boss for halloween.

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof via Af

Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

Then take Chuck's bet.  Maybe win a six pack of O'Douls or something.

Personally I think it will happen.  Right around the time they sell off the
430 SM inventory.  Oh, and read today's Dilbert.


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince via Af

Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 10:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

Well crap on a cracker.

One would think that they've been working toward this for the last
year.  I would think that everyone would benefit from just using the 450
SM in all cases.  Cambium would benefit from economies of scale, we
would benefit from reducing inventory, yada yada yada.

bp

On 11/4/2014 6:33 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

I would bet against it.


On 11/4/14, 9:55 AM, "Adam Moffett via Af"  wrote:


Will they ever make the 450SM talk to our old 430AP's ?

I hate buying two different types of SM's, especially knowing that I'll
want to replace the damn 430 with a 450 later.

[AFMUG] UBNT: fails to respond to SNMP?

[Bill Prince via Af]

This seems to be the week for weird shit problems.   We have a new 
installation at a remote site using a UBNT nanobeam.  When we went to 
add the new CPE to our cacti system, we got a timeout on the SNMP query.


No problem, probably something wrong with the SNMP settings.  Nope, they 
are exactly as needed (configuration comes from a template anyway, so 
what could have gone wrong?).


Well, the nanobeam was from inventory, so it was running a down-rev 
version of AirOS (5.5.6).  So I upgraded it to 5.5.10.  No change.


I then ran a trace from the local POP router.  The SNMP requests are 
most definitely going to the radio, just no response.


So I quadruple-checked the SNMP settings.  All OK.

No firewall is running on the radio.

ssh'd into the radio, and the tinysnmpd is running with the correct 
parameters.


"block management access" is NOT checked.

What in the world am I missing?


--
bp

Re: [AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ

[Gino Villarini via Af]

If telrad adds carrier aggregation to its upcoming LTE support, then yes. 10+10 
is an option

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini



> On Nov 4, 2014, at 11:41 AM, Matt via Af  wrote:
> 
> Is anyone looking at both these options?  Pros and cons of one vs
> other?  Throughput, Sync, Interference, spectrum efficiency, cost etc?
> 
> What I really wander is can you bond two non adjacent 10MHZ channels
> with Telrad to make a 20MHZ channel?  I know you cannot with 450 and
> it might become very useful down the road.  Right now with 450 and a
> perfect connection on a 20MHZ channel we can do around 80Mbps
> downstream per sector.  With a 10MHZ channel and not so perfect
> connections that is really getting cut back.
> 
> Also, right now we can do ABAB quite easily with 450 gear.  With LTE
> can we do  where spectrum is scarce?

Re: [AFMUG] The One Time I like Trees

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

Need to plant some evergreens.
Google Thuja Green Giant.

From: Nate Burke via Af 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 10:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The One Time I like Trees

RF Modulation, not actual usage.



On 11/4/2014 10:21 AM, David via Af wrote:

  OMG!. Is the Blue the OutIF and the GREEN InIF ?
  That circuit looks FLAT LINED :)


  On 11/04/2014 10:00 AM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:

UBNT Modulation.� This is on a Near LOS Shot.� Can you tell when the 
leaves are on the trees and blocking out other interference?

[AFMUG] Check this out...

[Ben Royer via Af]

Just saw this, thought I would share.

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

Re: [AFMUG] The One Time I like Trees

[David via Af]

I would keep an eye on it next spring because mother nature is sometimes 
not so kind :)


On 11/04/2014 10:24 AM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:

RF Modulation, not actual usage.


On 11/4/2014 10:21 AM, David via Af wrote:

OMG!. Is the Blue the OutIF and the GREEN InIF ?
That circuit looks FLAT LINED :)

On 11/04/2014 10:00 AM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:
UBNT Modulation.� This is on a Near LOS Shot.� Can you tell when 
the leaves are on the trees and blocking out other interference?

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

Then take Chuck's bet.  Maybe win a six pack of O'Douls or something.

Personally I think it will happen.  Right around the time they sell off the 
430 SM inventory.  Oh, and read today's Dilbert.



-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince via Af

Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 10:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

Well crap on a cracker.

One would think that they've been working toward this for the last
year.  I would think that everyone would benefit from just using the 450
SM in all cases.  Cambium would benefit from economies of scale, we
would benefit from reducing inventory, yada yada yada.

bp

On 11/4/2014 6:33 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

I would bet against it.


On 11/4/14, 9:55 AM, "Adam Moffett via Af"  wrote:


Will they ever make the 450SM talk to our old 430AP's ?

I hate buying two different types of SM's, especially knowing that I'll
want to replace the damn 430 with a 450 later.

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

[Adam Moffett via Af]

There's also a more compelling case for the new AP if you already have 
the new SM installed and pointed at it.



Well crap on a cracker.

One would think that they've been working toward this for the last 
year.  I would think that everyone would benefit from just using the 
450 SM in all cases.  Cambium would benefit from economies of scale, 
we would benefit from reducing inventory, yada yada yada.


bp

On 11/4/2014 6:33 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

I would bet against it.


On 11/4/14, 9:55 AM, "Adam Moffett via Af"  wrote:


Will they ever make the 450SM talk to our old 430AP's ?

I hate buying two different types of SM's, especially knowing that I'll
want to replace the damn 430 with a 450 later.

Re: [AFMUG] outlook becomes "intermittent" in satellite office

[Bill Prince via Af]

Update.

I went to the site on Friday, and ran some tests between the satellite 
office and the main office.  The primary bottleneck is the VDSL line 
between the main office and the guest building.  I put a small mikrotik 
in the satellite office and ran the bandwidth test between that router 
and the primary router in the main office.  Bottom line is that the VDSL 
connection limited aggregate throughput to ~~ 50 Mbps, and also seemed 
to increase latency by about 10-15 ms.  All in all, not all that bad.  
Interestingly, when I increased the load in one direction or the other, 
the aggregate would mostly stay the same.


However, the buffering worked as you would expect.  Even though I was 
jamming more bits than it would handle, it seldom dropped a packet.


I also ran some tests using ridiculously large binary attachments, but 
not using their email server (Globat), instead using yahoo smtp (my 
personal yahoo account), and with Thunderbird (versus Outlook).  All of 
my emails went through (they were averaging 50% success rate).


My conclusion is that their email server (Globat sendmail) had some 
issue with the increased latency.


We may never know the actual problem, because a report from yesterday 
indicates that the problem "went away".


How about that.

bp

On 10/31/2014 11:38 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

I haven't looked at it in person.

According to the tech on site, the email "goes out" without error.  
They've talked to their email provider (Globat), and they've been told 
that the email gets to the email server (and I don't know if it's 
exchange or sendmail).  Different people in the office use different 
email clients.  Just so happens that the people in the satellite 
office all use Outlook.


I've asked about logs going out of the email server, but they have not 
had that information yet.


bp

On 10/31/2014 11:14 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
I don't know, my experience with SMTP is, if you don't get an error 
message, it went and you need to look at the mailserver logs to see 
what happened. Although Outlook is pretty bad about useful error 
messages.


When you say it only occurs with Outlook, I take it you don't mean 
that particular email client, but rather it works if you use 
webmail.  Have you tried temporarily a different email client from 
the problem computer, like Thunderbird or Windows Live Mail?


The most useful thing, especially if you or the customer controls the 
mailserver, is to look at the logs right after sending an email.  Was 
the message received?  Was it relayed and did it go to the right 
mailserver according to MX records and to the right recipient?  Was 
it accepted by the recipient's mailserver, and if not, what SMTP 
error codes were logged?  Is it still in the mailserver queue being 
retried?


If you had packet loss so bad that outgoing email didn't work, I'd 
expect trouble with incoming mail, webmail, web browsing, etc.


And if Outlook is unable to send the email, you should get an error 
message, and the message should be stuck in the Outlook outbox.  
Unless some antivirus program is spoofing to Outlook that it was sent.



-Original Message- From: Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 10:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] outlook becomes "intermittent" in satellite office

It was doing this on 5.21; we upgraded to 5.26 as a test.  No
difference.  And, it's the same router whether it's local (main office)
or remote (satellite office).

The symptom is that "some" email never reaches the destination only when
sent from a computer in the satellite office, and only when using 
outlook.


If the email is sent from web mail from a computer in the satellite
office, it works fine.  Received email is fine.

Likewise, if the computer is moved from the satellite office to the main
office, it works fine too.

It's not recipient specific.  Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
Regardless of recipient.

My current suspicion is that there is "something" going on with the VDSL
link.  It's the weakest link in the chain, and using old phone cables
that were buried a couple decades ago.  Maybe an MTU issue, but I'm
guessing that it's load related; and SMTP is more sensitive to the issue
than most other things.

bp

On 10/31/2014 4:18 AM, Shayne Lebrun via Af wrote:

Get rid of 5.26; in my experience, it has odd packet loss problems.

Drop down to 5.19, or go up to 6.

Also, what happens to the email that 'doesn't reach it's 
destination?' Are

you having problems sending, or receiving?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 8:59 PM
To: Motorola III
Subject: [AFMUG] outlook becomes "intermittent" in satellite office


This is a bizarre set of symptoms, and I really don't know what is 
going on.
So I will articulate the facts, and maybe one of you can tell me 
what might

be wrong.

We have a business subscriber that occupies several buildin

Re: [AFMUG] The One Time I like Trees

[Nate Burke via Af]

RF Modulation, not actual usage.


On 11/4/2014 10:21 AM, David via Af wrote:

OMG!. Is the Blue the OutIF and the GREEN InIF ?
That circuit looks FLAT LINED :)

On 11/04/2014 10:00 AM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:
UBNT Modulation.� This is on a Near LOS Shot.� Can you tell when 
the leaves are on the trees and blocking out other interference?

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

[Bill Prince via Af]

Well crap on a cracker.

One would think that they've been working toward this for the last 
year.  I would think that everyone would benefit from just using the 450 
SM in all cases.  Cambium would benefit from economies of scale, we 
would benefit from reducing inventory, yada yada yada.


bp

On 11/4/2014 6:33 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

I would bet against it.


On 11/4/14, 9:55 AM, "Adam Moffett via Af"  wrote:


Will they ever make the 450SM talk to our old 430AP's ?

I hate buying two different types of SM's, especially knowing that I'll
want to replace the damn 430 with a 450 later.

Re: [AFMUG] The One Time I like Trees

[David via Af]

OMG!. Is the Blue the OutIF and the GREEN InIF ?
That circuit looks FLAT LINED :)

On 11/04/2014 10:00 AM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:
UBNT Modulation.  This is on a Near LOS Shot.  Can you tell when the 
leaves are on the trees and blocking out other interference?

Re: [AFMUG] Network monitor.

[Robbie Wright via Af]

Yup, like Josh said. Observium is pretty sweet and good be awesomer. We've
been pushing on them for some better support for wireless devices but
haven't got any movement on it yet, even with quite a few offers to pay
them. For us, we use PRTG for critical devices to alter us in email, sms,
etc because Observium can only test every 5 minutes and still have some
hokiness in alerting. But it kicks butt at tracking traffic, 95th % stuff,
and even things like tracking firmware versions, and autodiscovery. We've
integrated SmokePing into it for some better ping stats and are working on
using some of their unix agents for bind, apache, and mysql. Rancid is on
our list as well.


Robbie Wright
Siuslaw Broadband 
541-902-5101

On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af  wrote:

>  Didn't look.
>
> 
>
> We're not using rancid at this time.
>
> Everything I've configured I've done using this:
> http://www.observium.org/wiki/Configuration_Options
>
> Or via the observium mailing list... like setup a ramdisk to push all of
> the .rrd's to before syncing with a folder on the SSD array (every 6 hrs).
>
> I've been on there with Robbie Wright, Chris Ruschman, and a few others
> trying to get them to support certain products. I guess I'll just have to
> push a pile of cash their way. I really like observium as a whole.
>
>  Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
>  On 11/03/2014 04:08 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
>
> Link I posted earlier.  1:53
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds via Af"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, November 3, 2014 7:07:49 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Network monitor.
>
> Miller's blog?
>
>  Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
>  On 11/03/2014 02:51 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
>
> Missing anything from Miller's blog?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds via Af"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, November 3, 2014 5:45:28 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Network monitor.
>
> oops forgot about syslog! :) We have all of our observium monitored
> devices sending syslog info to it as well
>
>  Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
>  On 11/03/2014 10:54 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
>
> Observium and LibreNMS are what the cool kids are running these days.
>
> A friend of mine put out a series of blog posts regarding how to install
> Observium and then how to integrate it with various other services like
> syslog, Rancid, etc.
>
> http://bit.ly/1qmtAKW
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>
>  --
> *From: *"Joshua Heide via Af"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, November 3, 2014 12:38:00 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Network monitor.
>
>  Besides prtg and cacti is there anything else out there worth looking
> into. Currently we use prtg to monitor all of our towers and things at our
> noc. Then we use cacti to monitor our customers. Just curious what you guys
> use and if there anything new coming out.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Josh Heide
>
> Velociter Wireless
>
> (office) 209-838-1221
>
> (fax) 209-838-1800
>
> www.velociter.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] The One Time I like Trees

[Nate Burke via Af]

UBNT Modulation.  This is on a Near LOS Shot.  Can you tell when the 
leaves are on the trees and blocking out other interference?

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

Is ETSI viewing LBT as a tweak to radar avoidance, or a mechanism for 
operators to share spectrum?  If the latter, what is the real world 
performance impact if LBT happens all the time?


It seems to me LBT is a concept that only a regulator could love.  It would 
be like waiting for service in a restaurant where the waiters take turns 
bopping each other on the head with mallets and yelling "no you shut up".


Are there places where LBT actually happens as a spectrum sharing mechanism 
similar to CSMA, and does it work?



-Original Message- 
From: Matt Mangriotis via Af

Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

I am afraid the rules (i.e. the LBT requirements) apply across the entire 
5.4 band in ETSI-land... 5470-5725 MHz.


Matt

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

But if you are not even capable (software disabled) of operating on those 
frequencies, do you still have to do the listen before talk?


-Original Message-
From: Matt Mangriotis via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

Matthieu - Seeing as I cannot determine your email address from this one...
can you please email me offlist?

We have recently made the PMP 430 available again in ETSI until the end of 
the year (with the recent software, we pass EN 301 893 v1.6.1, which is 
still in effect until Dec. 31).


m...@cambiumnetworks.com

I will make sure you get in touch with the right folks to help get you what 
you need.


Chuck - v1.6.1 required detection of 0.5 microsecond pulses.  At the time 
this version took effect (January 1, 2013), our algorithms did not reliably 
detect this pulse width.  Since then, we have made it work, and are in 
process of updating our DoC to sell again into the EU.  However, an 
additional change (v1.7.1) takes effect on January 1, 2015 requiring a form 
of Listen Before Talk, which will NOT make it into our legacy platforms (PMP

100 or PMP 430), but will be included for PMP 450 as part of R13.3.

Hope that sheds a bit of light on it...

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

Be interesting to know the details.  I don't think there is actually a "dfs"
chip in the unit.  There is a DSP chip and perhaps there is some out of band 
emissions that do not fit into some kind of European emissions mask.


-Original Message-
From: Mathieu via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

dfs frequencies are already notched out for the etsi zone.
from what I've heard from my cambium pre-sale engineer, it's the dfs chip 
that does not meet the new european requirements, and anything from the
pmp100/400/430 family is prohibited to import in Europe. We have to deal 
with the remaining units already imported.


Le 04/11/2014 15:43, Chuck McCown via Af a �crit :

One would think Cambium could build you an option to notch out the DFS
frequencies and make it legal.

-Original Message- From: Mathieu via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

+1

in France, we can't buy pmp430 sm (or ap, or pmp 100 family ) anymore,
due to the dfs regulation, so we absolutely need this, or we will have
to change all APs in our networks...



Le 04/11/2014 14:55, Adam Moffett via Af a �crit :

Will they ever make the 450SM talk to our old 430AP's ?

I hate buying two different types of SM's, especially knowing that
I'll want to replace the damn 430 with a 450 later.

[AFMUG] Telrad LTE vs 450 3.65GHZ

[Matt via Af]

Is anyone looking at both these options?  Pros and cons of one vs
other?  Throughput, Sync, Interference, spectrum efficiency, cost etc?

What I really wander is can you bond two non adjacent 10MHZ channels
with Telrad to make a 20MHZ channel?  I know you cannot with 450 and
it might become very useful down the road.  Right now with 450 and a
perfect connection on a 20MHZ channel we can do around 80Mbps
downstream per sector.  With a 10MHZ channel and not so perfect
connections that is really getting cut back.

Also, right now we can do ABAB quite easily with 450 gear.  With LTE
can we do  where spectrum is scarce?

Re: [AFMUG] PTP650

[Mathew Howard via Af]

But AF5 is full duplex, so perhaps it's not feasible.


From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 3:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP650

Might want to look into allowing different size channels. As I mentioned, the 
AF5 does it.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Bruce Collins via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2014 10:04:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP650

Hi Mike,

You are correct.  The PTP 650 supports what we call ‘split frequency operation’ 
which assigns a Tx frequency separate from the Rx frequency.  Both Tx and Rx 
frequencies must be the same channel bandwidth.

This is useful in cases where there is localized noise at one end of a link OR 
in cases where FDD spectrum is allocated and the goal is to mimic FDD support 
(clearly not a N. America requirement).

Regards,

Bruce


Bruce Collins
Product Manager
Cambium Networks



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 5:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP650

The AF5 supports different Tx and Rx, so it can be done.

Didn't see any acknowledgment from Cambium on this one.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Matt Jenkins via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:00:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP650

I know its probably not feasible, but I would really like them to
support 45mhz Tx and 10mhz Rx channel sizes as well.

Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 09/18/2014 02:43 PM, Roland Houin via Af wrote:
> yes.
>
> roland
>
>
>> Can the PTP650 do split TX and RX freqs? (example:Tx on 5740, RX on 5800) <
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

[Chuck McCown via Af]

A visit, an exparte, sending the customer I dunno, lots of ways to bug an 
agency.

Who and where is the agency?

-Original Message- 
From: Matt Mangriotis via Af

Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

We don't have that kind of money... :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

Bummer.  Can you lobby the regulators like in the U.S.?

-Original Message-
From: Matt Mangriotis via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

I am afraid the rules (i.e. the LBT requirements) apply across the entire
5.4 band in ETSI-land... 5470-5725 MHz.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

But if you are not even capable (software disabled) of operating on those 
frequencies, do you still have to do the listen before talk?


-Original Message-
From: Matt Mangriotis via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

Matthieu - Seeing as I cannot determine your email address from this one...
can you please email me offlist?

We have recently made the PMP 430 available again in ETSI until the end of 
the year (with the recent software, we pass EN 301 893 v1.6.1, which is 
still in effect until Dec. 31).


m...@cambiumnetworks.com

I will make sure you get in touch with the right folks to help get you what 
you need.


Chuck - v1.6.1 required detection of 0.5 microsecond pulses.  At the time 
this version took effect (January 1, 2013), our algorithms did not reliably 
detect this pulse width.  Since then, we have made it work, and are in 
process of updating our DoC to sell again into the EU.  However, an 
additional change (v1.7.1) takes effect on January 1, 2015 requiring a form 
of Listen Before Talk, which will NOT make it into our legacy platforms (PMP

100 or PMP 430), but will be included for PMP 450 as part of R13.3.

Hope that sheds a bit of light on it...

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

Be interesting to know the details.  I don't think there is actually a "dfs"
chip in the unit.  There is a DSP chip and perhaps there is some out of band 
emissions that do not fit into some kind of European emissions mask.


-Original Message-
From: Mathieu via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

dfs frequencies are already notched out for the etsi zone.
from what I've heard from my cambium pre-sale engineer, it's the dfs chip 
that does not meet the new european requirements, and anything from the
pmp100/400/430 family is prohibited to import in Europe. We have to deal 
with the remaining units already imported.


Le 04/11/2014 15:43, Chuck McCown via Af a �crit :

One would think Cambium could build you an option to notch out the DFS
frequencies and make it legal.

-Original Message- From: Mathieu via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

+1

in France, we can't buy pmp430 sm (or ap, or pmp 100 family ) anymore,
due to the dfs regulation, so we absolutely need this, or we will have
to change all APs in our networks...



Le 04/11/2014 14:55, Adam Moffett via Af a �crit :

Will they ever make the 450SM talk to our old 430AP's ?

I hate buying two different types of SM's, especially knowing that
I'll want to replace the damn 430 with a 450 later.

Re: [AFMUG] PTP650

[Chuck McCown via Af]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_frogging

From: Jaime Solorza via Af 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:27 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP650

Frogs the frequencies?  No entiendo ...

Jaime Solorza

On Nov 4, 2014 7:33 AM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:

  Be nice if it could be configured so both ends would be high tx and low rx or 
vice versa.  

  I have wanted to build a linear amp repeater for years for one of these 
radios, but it requires that the radios both transmit on the same end of the 
band.  The repeater frogs the frequencies.  The repeater could then be low(er) 
cost and most importantly  very low power consumption.  Perfect for solar 
sites.  

  From: Mike Hammett via Af 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 2:14 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP650

  Might want to look into allowing different size channels. As I mentioned, the 
AF5 does it.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: "Bruce Collins via Af" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, November 3, 2014 10:04:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP650


  Hi Mike,



  You are correct.  The PTP 650 supports what we call ‘split frequency 
operation’ which assigns a Tx frequency separate from the Rx frequency.  Both 
Tx and Rx frequencies must be the same channel bandwidth.



  This is useful in cases where there is localized noise at one end of a link 
OR in cases where FDD spectrum is allocated and the goal is to mimic FDD 
support (clearly not a N. America requirement).



  Regards,



  Bruce





  Bruce Collins

  Product Manager

  Cambium Networks







  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
  Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 5:34 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP650



  The AF5 supports different Tx and Rx, so it can be done.

  Didn't see any acknowledgment from Cambium on this one.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com




--

  From: "Matt Jenkins via Af" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:00:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP650

  I know its probably not feasible, but I would really like them to 
  support 45mhz Tx and 10mhz Rx channel sizes as well.

  Matthew Jenkins
  SmarterBroadband
  m...@sbbinc.net
  530.272.4000

  On 09/18/2014 02:43 PM, Roland Houin via Af wrote:
  > yes.
  >
  > roland
  >
  >
  >> Can the PTP650 do split TX and RX freqs? (example:Tx on 5740, RX on 5800) <
  >
  >

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

[Matt Mangriotis via Af]

We don't have that kind of money... :)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

Bummer.  Can you lobby the regulators like in the U.S.?

-Original Message-
From: Matt Mangriotis via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

I am afraid the rules (i.e. the LBT requirements) apply across the entire
5.4 band in ETSI-land... 5470-5725 MHz.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

But if you are not even capable (software disabled) of operating on those 
frequencies, do you still have to do the listen before talk?

-Original Message-
From: Matt Mangriotis via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

Matthieu - Seeing as I cannot determine your email address from this one...
can you please email me offlist?

We have recently made the PMP 430 available again in ETSI until the end of the 
year (with the recent software, we pass EN 301 893 v1.6.1, which is still in 
effect until Dec. 31).

m...@cambiumnetworks.com

I will make sure you get in touch with the right folks to help get you what you 
need.

Chuck - v1.6.1 required detection of 0.5 microsecond pulses.  At the time this 
version took effect (January 1, 2013), our algorithms did not reliably detect 
this pulse width.  Since then, we have made it work, and are in process of 
updating our DoC to sell again into the EU.  However, an additional change 
(v1.7.1) takes effect on January 1, 2015 requiring a form of Listen Before 
Talk, which will NOT make it into our legacy platforms (PMP
100 or PMP 430), but will be included for PMP 450 as part of R13.3.

Hope that sheds a bit of light on it...

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

Be interesting to know the details.  I don't think there is actually a "dfs"
chip in the unit.  There is a DSP chip and perhaps there is some out of band 
emissions that do not fit into some kind of European emissions mask.

-Original Message-
From: Mathieu via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

dfs frequencies are already notched out for the etsi zone.
from what I've heard from my cambium pre-sale engineer, it's the dfs chip that 
does not meet the new european requirements, and anything from the
pmp100/400/430 family is prohibited to import in Europe. We have to deal with 
the remaining units already imported.

Le 04/11/2014 15:43, Chuck McCown via Af a �crit :
> One would think Cambium could build you an option to notch out the DFS 
> frequencies and make it legal.
>
> -Original Message- From: Mathieu via Af
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:39 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP
>
> +1
>
> in France, we can't buy pmp430 sm (or ap, or pmp 100 family ) anymore, 
> due to the dfs regulation, so we absolutely need this, or we will have 
> to change all APs in our networks...
>
>
>
> Le 04/11/2014 14:55, Adam Moffett via Af a �crit :
>> Will they ever make the 450SM talk to our old 430AP's ?
>>
>> I hate buying two different types of SM's, especially knowing that 
>> I'll want to replace the damn 430 with a 450 later.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP650

[Jaime Solorza via Af]

Frogs the frequencies?  No entiendo ...

Jaime Solorza
On Nov 4, 2014 7:33 AM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:

>   Be nice if it could be configured so both ends would be high tx and low
> rx or vice versa.
>
> I have wanted to build a linear amp repeater for years for one of these
> radios, but it requires that the radios both transmit on the same end of
> the band.  The repeater frogs the frequencies.  The repeater could then be
> low(er) cost and most importantly  very low power consumption.  Perfect for
> solar sites.
>
>  *From:* Mike Hammett via Af 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 2:14 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP650
>
>  Might want to look into allowing different size channels. As I
> mentioned, the AF5 does it.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Bruce Collins via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, November 3, 2014 10:04:34 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PTP650
>
>  Hi Mike,
>
>
>
> You are correct.  The PTP 650 supports what we call ‘split frequency
> operation’ which assigns a Tx frequency separate from the Rx frequency.
> Both Tx and Rx frequencies must be the same channel bandwidth.
>
>
>
> This is useful in cases where there is localized noise at one end of a
> link OR in cases where FDD spectrum is allocated and the goal is to mimic
> FDD support (clearly not a N. America requirement).
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
> Bruce Collins
>
> Product Manager
>
> Cambium Networks
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett via
> Af
> *Sent:* Monday, November 03, 2014 5:34 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP650
>
>
>
> The AF5 supports different Tx and Rx, so it can be done.
>
> Didn't see any acknowledgment from Cambium on this one.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>  --
>
> *From: *"Matt Jenkins via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:00:02 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PTP650
>
> I know its probably not feasible, but I would really like them to
> support 45mhz Tx and 10mhz Rx channel sizes as well.
>
> Matthew Jenkins
> SmarterBroadband
> m...@sbbinc.net
> 530.272.4000
>
> On 09/18/2014 02:43 PM, Roland Houin via Af wrote:
> > yes.
> >
> > roland
> >
> >
> >> Can the PTP650 do split TX and RX freqs? (example:Tx on 5740, RX on
> 5800) <
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

[Chuck McCown via Af]

Bummer.  Can you lobby the regulators like in the U.S.?

-Original Message- 
From: Matt Mangriotis via Af

Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

I am afraid the rules (i.e. the LBT requirements) apply across the entire 
5.4 band in ETSI-land... 5470-5725 MHz.


Matt

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

But if you are not even capable (software disabled) of operating on those 
frequencies, do you still have to do the listen before talk?


-Original Message-
From: Matt Mangriotis via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

Matthieu - Seeing as I cannot determine your email address from this one...
can you please email me offlist?

We have recently made the PMP 430 available again in ETSI until the end of 
the year (with the recent software, we pass EN 301 893 v1.6.1, which is 
still in effect until Dec. 31).


m...@cambiumnetworks.com

I will make sure you get in touch with the right folks to help get you what 
you need.


Chuck - v1.6.1 required detection of 0.5 microsecond pulses.  At the time 
this version took effect (January 1, 2013), our algorithms did not reliably 
detect this pulse width.  Since then, we have made it work, and are in 
process of updating our DoC to sell again into the EU.  However, an 
additional change (v1.7.1) takes effect on January 1, 2015 requiring a form 
of Listen Before Talk, which will NOT make it into our legacy platforms (PMP

100 or PMP 430), but will be included for PMP 450 as part of R13.3.

Hope that sheds a bit of light on it...

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

Be interesting to know the details.  I don't think there is actually a "dfs"
chip in the unit.  There is a DSP chip and perhaps there is some out of band 
emissions that do not fit into some kind of European emissions mask.


-Original Message-
From: Mathieu via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

dfs frequencies are already notched out for the etsi zone.
from what I've heard from my cambium pre-sale engineer, it's the dfs chip 
that does not meet the new european requirements, and anything from the
pmp100/400/430 family is prohibited to import in Europe. We have to deal 
with the remaining units already imported.


Le 04/11/2014 15:43, Chuck McCown via Af a �crit :

One would think Cambium could build you an option to notch out the DFS
frequencies and make it legal.

-Original Message- From: Mathieu via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

+1

in France, we can't buy pmp430 sm (or ap, or pmp 100 family ) anymore,
due to the dfs regulation, so we absolutely need this, or we will have
to change all APs in our networks...



Le 04/11/2014 14:55, Adam Moffett via Af a �crit :

Will they ever make the 450SM talk to our old 430AP's ?

I hate buying two different types of SM's, especially knowing that
I'll want to replace the damn 430 with a 450 later.

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

Or it may be as simple as the rules changed and the product needs to be 
resubmitted for testing and Cambium doesn't want to spend the money on a 
lame duck product?  Just because it isn't certified doesn't necessarily mean 
it is non-compliant.


I actually do expect to see FW so that 450 SM can talk to 430 AP.  Of course 
you still won't have your universal SM, if you want U-NII-1, that will be 
the 455?  If you want to pay the price to get universal.


And if 430 SMs get cheap enough on the used market, will they become the 
starter SM for subscribers on the value plan?



-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown via Af

Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

Be interesting to know the details.  I don't think there is actually a "dfs"
chip in the unit.  There is a DSP chip and perhaps there is some out of band
emissions that do not fit into some kind of European emissions mask.

-Original Message- 
From: Mathieu via Af

Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

dfs frequencies are already notched out for the etsi zone.
from what I've heard from my cambium pre-sale engineer, it's the dfs
chip that does not meet the new european requirements, and anything from
the pmp100/400/430 family is prohibited to import in Europe. We have to
deal with the remaining units already imported.

Le 04/11/2014 15:43, Chuck McCown via Af a �crit :

One would think Cambium could build you an option to notch out the DFS
frequencies and make it legal.

-Original Message- From: Mathieu via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

+1

in France, we can't buy pmp430 sm (or ap, or pmp 100 family ) anymore,
due to the dfs regulation, so we absolutely need this, or we will have
to change all APs in our networks...



Le 04/11/2014 14:55, Adam Moffett via Af a �crit :

Will they ever make the 450SM talk to our old 430AP's ?

I hate buying two different types of SM's, especially knowing that
I'll want to replace the damn 430 with a 450 later.

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

[Matt Mangriotis via Af]

I am afraid the rules (i.e. the LBT requirements) apply across the entire 5.4 
band in ETSI-land... 5470-5725 MHz.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

But if you are not even capable (software disabled) of operating on those 
frequencies, do you still have to do the listen before talk?

-Original Message-
From: Matt Mangriotis via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

Matthieu - Seeing as I cannot determine your email address from this one... 
can you please email me offlist?

We have recently made the PMP 430 available again in ETSI until the end of the 
year (with the recent software, we pass EN 301 893 v1.6.1, which is still in 
effect until Dec. 31).

m...@cambiumnetworks.com

I will make sure you get in touch with the right folks to help get you what you 
need.

Chuck - v1.6.1 required detection of 0.5 microsecond pulses.  At the time this 
version took effect (January 1, 2013), our algorithms did not reliably detect 
this pulse width.  Since then, we have made it work, and are in process of 
updating our DoC to sell again into the EU.  However, an additional change 
(v1.7.1) takes effect on January 1, 2015 requiring a form of Listen Before 
Talk, which will NOT make it into our legacy platforms (PMP
100 or PMP 430), but will be included for PMP 450 as part of R13.3.

Hope that sheds a bit of light on it...

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

Be interesting to know the details.  I don't think there is actually a "dfs"
chip in the unit.  There is a DSP chip and perhaps there is some out of band 
emissions that do not fit into some kind of European emissions mask.

-Original Message-
From: Mathieu via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

dfs frequencies are already notched out for the etsi zone.
from what I've heard from my cambium pre-sale engineer, it's the dfs chip that 
does not meet the new european requirements, and anything from the
pmp100/400/430 family is prohibited to import in Europe. We have to deal with 
the remaining units already imported.

Le 04/11/2014 15:43, Chuck McCown via Af a �crit :
> One would think Cambium could build you an option to notch out the DFS 
> frequencies and make it legal.
>
> -Original Message- From: Mathieu via Af
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:39 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP
>
> +1
>
> in France, we can't buy pmp430 sm (or ap, or pmp 100 family ) anymore, 
> due to the dfs regulation, so we absolutely need this, or we will have 
> to change all APs in our networks...
>
>
>
> Le 04/11/2014 14:55, Adam Moffett via Af a �crit :
>> Will they ever make the 450SM talk to our old 430AP's ?
>>
>> I hate buying two different types of SM's, especially knowing that 
>> I'll want to replace the damn 430 with a 450 later.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

[Chuck McCown via Af]

But if you are not even capable (software disabled) of operating on those 
frequencies, do you still have to do the listen before talk?


-Original Message- 
From: Matt Mangriotis via Af

Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

Matthieu - Seeing as I cannot determine your email address from this one... 
can you please email me offlist?


We have recently made the PMP 430 available again in ETSI until the end of 
the year (with the recent software, we pass EN 301 893 v1.6.1, which is 
still in effect until Dec. 31).


m...@cambiumnetworks.com

I will make sure you get in touch with the right folks to help get you what 
you need.


Chuck - v1.6.1 required detection of 0.5 microsecond pulses.  At the time 
this version took effect (January 1, 2013), our algorithms did not reliably 
detect this pulse width.  Since then, we have made it work, and are in 
process of updating our DoC to sell again into the EU.  However, an 
additional change (v1.7.1) takes effect on January 1, 2015 requiring a form 
of Listen Before Talk, which will NOT make it into our legacy platforms (PMP 
100 or PMP 430), but will be included for PMP 450 as part of R13.3.


Hope that sheds a bit of light on it...

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

Be interesting to know the details.  I don't think there is actually a "dfs"
chip in the unit.  There is a DSP chip and perhaps there is some out of band 
emissions that do not fit into some kind of European emissions mask.


-Original Message-
From: Mathieu via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

dfs frequencies are already notched out for the etsi zone.
from what I've heard from my cambium pre-sale engineer, it's the dfs chip 
that does not meet the new european requirements, and anything from the 
pmp100/400/430 family is prohibited to import in Europe. We have to deal 
with the remaining units already imported.


Le 04/11/2014 15:43, Chuck McCown via Af a �crit :

One would think Cambium could build you an option to notch out the DFS
frequencies and make it legal.

-Original Message- From: Mathieu via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

+1

in France, we can't buy pmp430 sm (or ap, or pmp 100 family ) anymore,
due to the dfs regulation, so we absolutely need this, or we will have
to change all APs in our networks...



Le 04/11/2014 14:55, Adam Moffett via Af a �crit :

Will they ever make the 450SM talk to our old 430AP's ?

I hate buying two different types of SM's, especially knowing that
I'll want to replace the damn 430 with a 450 later.

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

[Matt Mangriotis via Af]

Matthieu - Seeing as I cannot determine your email address from this one... can 
you please email me offlist?

We have recently made the PMP 430 available again in ETSI until the end of the 
year (with the recent software, we pass EN 301 893 v1.6.1, which is still in 
effect until Dec. 31).

m...@cambiumnetworks.com

I will make sure you get in touch with the right folks to help get you what you 
need.

Chuck - v1.6.1 required detection of 0.5 microsecond pulses.  At the time this 
version took effect (January 1, 2013), our algorithms did not reliably detect 
this pulse width.  Since then, we have made it work, and are in process of 
updating our DoC to sell again into the EU.  However, an additional change 
(v1.7.1) takes effect on January 1, 2015 requiring a form of Listen Before 
Talk, which will NOT make it into our legacy platforms (PMP 100 or PMP 430), 
but will be included for PMP 450 as part of R13.3.

Hope that sheds a bit of light on it...

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

Be interesting to know the details.  I don't think there is actually a "dfs" 
chip in the unit.  There is a DSP chip and perhaps there is some out of band 
emissions that do not fit into some kind of European emissions mask.

-Original Message-
From: Mathieu via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

dfs frequencies are already notched out for the etsi zone.
from what I've heard from my cambium pre-sale engineer, it's the dfs chip that 
does not meet the new european requirements, and anything from the 
pmp100/400/430 family is prohibited to import in Europe. We have to deal with 
the remaining units already imported.

Le 04/11/2014 15:43, Chuck McCown via Af a �crit :
> One would think Cambium could build you an option to notch out the DFS 
> frequencies and make it legal.
>
> -Original Message- From: Mathieu via Af
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:39 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP
>
> +1
>
> in France, we can't buy pmp430 sm (or ap, or pmp 100 family ) anymore, 
> due to the dfs regulation, so we absolutely need this, or we will have 
> to change all APs in our networks...
>
>
>
> Le 04/11/2014 14:55, Adam Moffett via Af a �crit :
>> Will they ever make the 450SM talk to our old 430AP's ?
>>
>> I hate buying two different types of SM's, especially knowing that 
>> I'll want to replace the damn 430 with a 450 later.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

[Chuck McCown via Af]

Be interesting to know the details.  I don't think there is actually a "dfs" 
chip in the unit.  There is a DSP chip and perhaps there is some out of band 
emissions that do not fit into some kind of European emissions mask.


-Original Message- 
From: Mathieu via Af

Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

dfs frequencies are already notched out for the etsi zone.
from what I've heard from my cambium pre-sale engineer, it's the dfs
chip that does not meet the new european requirements, and anything from
the pmp100/400/430 family is prohibited to import in Europe. We have to
deal with the remaining units already imported.

Le 04/11/2014 15:43, Chuck McCown via Af a �crit :

One would think Cambium could build you an option to notch out the DFS
frequencies and make it legal.

-Original Message- From: Mathieu via Af
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

+1

in France, we can't buy pmp430 sm (or ap, or pmp 100 family ) anymore,
due to the dfs regulation, so we absolutely need this, or we will have
to change all APs in our networks...



Le 04/11/2014 14:55, Adam Moffett via Af a �crit :

Will they ever make the 450SM talk to our old 430AP's ?

I hate buying two different types of SM's, especially knowing that
I'll want to replace the damn 430 with a 450 later.

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

[Mathieu via Af]

dfs frequencies are already notched out for the etsi zone.
from what I've heard from my cambium pre-sale engineer, it's the dfs
chip that does not meet the new european requirements, and anything from
the pmp100/400/430 family is prohibited to import in Europe. We have to
deal with the remaining units already imported.

Le 04/11/2014 15:43, Chuck McCown via Af a �crit :
> One would think Cambium could build you an option to notch out the DFS
> frequencies and make it legal.
>
> -Original Message- From: Mathieu via Af
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:39 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP
>
> +1
>
> in France, we can't buy pmp430 sm (or ap, or pmp 100 family ) anymore,
> due to the dfs regulation, so we absolutely need this, or we will have
> to change all APs in our networks...
>
>
>
> Le 04/11/2014 14:55, Adam Moffett via Af a �crit :
>> Will they ever make the 450SM talk to our old 430AP's ?
>>
>> I hate buying two different types of SM's, especially knowing that
>> I'll want to replace the damn 430 with a 450 later.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Carnival Cruises enhances Wifi @ Sea

[Jaime Solorza via Af]

Tell us

Jaime Solorza
  Hybrid technology roams between long range shore based comms and SAT.

 I wonder who’s tech is behind this?


http://www.marketwatch.com/story/carnival-corporation-unveils-cruise-industrys-first-hybrid-wireless-network-at-sea-2014-11-03



 Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

[Chuck McCown via Af]

One would think Cambium could build you an option to notch out the DFS 
frequencies and make it legal.


-Original Message- 
From: Mathieu via Af

Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

+1

in France, we can't buy pmp430 sm (or ap, or pmp 100 family ) anymore,
due to the dfs regulation, so we absolutely need this, or we will have
to change all APs in our networks...



Le 04/11/2014 14:55, Adam Moffett via Af a �crit :

Will they ever make the 450SM talk to our old 430AP's ?

I hate buying two different types of SM's, especially knowing that
I'll want to replace the damn 430 with a 450 later.

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

[Mathieu via Af]

+1

in France, we can't buy pmp430 sm (or ap, or pmp 100 family ) anymore,
due to the dfs regulation, so we absolutely need this, or we will have
to change all APs in our networks...



Le 04/11/2014 14:55, Adam Moffett via Af a �crit :
> Will they ever make the 450SM talk to our old 430AP's ?
>
> I hate buying two different types of SM's, especially knowing that
> I'll want to replace the damn 430 with a 450 later.
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP650

[That One Guy via Af]

I was told it only works in the full license on the 650 though unlike the
3/500

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:

>   Be nice if it could be configured so both ends would be high tx and low
> rx or vice versa.
>
> I have wanted to build a linear amp repeater for years for one of these
> radios, but it requires that the radios both transmit on the same end of
> the band.  The repeater frogs the frequencies.  The repeater could then be
> low(er) cost and most importantly  very low power consumption.  Perfect for
> solar sites.
>
>  *From:* Mike Hammett via Af 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 2:14 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP650
>
>  Might want to look into allowing different size channels. As I
> mentioned, the AF5 does it.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Bruce Collins via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, November 3, 2014 10:04:34 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PTP650
>
>  Hi Mike,
>
>
>
> You are correct.  The PTP 650 supports what we call ‘split frequency
> operation’ which assigns a Tx frequency separate from the Rx frequency.
> Both Tx and Rx frequencies must be the same channel bandwidth.
>
>
>
> This is useful in cases where there is localized noise at one end of a
> link OR in cases where FDD spectrum is allocated and the goal is to mimic
> FDD support (clearly not a N. America requirement).
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
> Bruce Collins
>
> Product Manager
>
> Cambium Networks
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett via
> Af
> *Sent:* Monday, November 03, 2014 5:34 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP650
>
>
>
> The AF5 supports different Tx and Rx, so it can be done.
>
> Didn't see any acknowledgment from Cambium on this one.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>  --
>
> *From: *"Matt Jenkins via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:00:02 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PTP650
>
> I know its probably not feasible, but I would really like them to
> support 45mhz Tx and 10mhz Rx channel sizes as well.
>
> Matthew Jenkins
> SmarterBroadband
> m...@sbbinc.net
> 530.272.4000
>
> On 09/18/2014 02:43 PM, Roland Houin via Af wrote:
> > yes.
> >
> > roland
> >
> >
> >> Can the PTP650 do split TX and RX freqs? (example:Tx on 5740, RX on
> 5800) <
> >
> >
>
>
>
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

[Chuck McCown via Af]

I would bet against it.


On 11/4/14, 9:55 AM, "Adam Moffett via Af"  wrote:


Will they ever make the 450SM talk to our old 430AP's ?

I hate buying two different types of SM's, especially knowing that I'll
want to replace the damn 430 with a 450 later.

Re: [AFMUG] PTP650

[Chuck McCown via Af]

Be nice if it could be configured so both ends would be high tx and low rx or 
vice versa.  

I have wanted to build a linear amp repeater for years for one of these radios, 
but it requires that the radios both transmit on the same end of the band.  The 
repeater frogs the frequencies.  The repeater could then be low(er) cost and 
most importantly  very low power consumption.  Perfect for solar sites.  

From: Mike Hammett via Af 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 2:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP650

Might want to look into allowing different size channels. As I mentioned, the 
AF5 does it.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "Bruce Collins via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2014 10:04:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP650


Hi Mike,



You are correct.  The PTP 650 supports what we call ‘split frequency operation’ 
which assigns a Tx frequency separate from the Rx frequency.  Both Tx and Rx 
frequencies must be the same channel bandwidth.



This is useful in cases where there is localized noise at one end of a link OR 
in cases where FDD spectrum is allocated and the goal is to mimic FDD support 
(clearly not a N. America requirement).



Regards,



Bruce





Bruce Collins

Product Manager

Cambium Networks







From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 5:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP650



The AF5 supports different Tx and Rx, so it can be done.

Didn't see any acknowledgment from Cambium on this one.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com






From: "Matt Jenkins via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:00:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP650

I know its probably not feasible, but I would really like them to 
support 45mhz Tx and 10mhz Rx channel sizes as well.

Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 09/18/2014 02:43 PM, Roland Houin via Af wrote:
> yes.
>
> roland
>
>
>> Can the PTP650 do split TX and RX freqs? (example:Tx on 5740, RX on 5800) <
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Carnival Cruises enhances Wifi @ Sea

[Chuck Hogg via Af]

I was thinking it had to be the BATS system.

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Gino Villarini via Af  wrote:

>   Hybrid technology roams between long range shore based comms and SAT.
>
>  I wonder who’s tech is behind this?
>
>
> http://www.marketwatch.com/story/carnival-corporation-unveils-cruise-industrys-first-hybrid-wireless-network-at-sea-2014-11-03
>
>
>
>  Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

[Gino Villarini via Af]

+1000



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com  
@aeronetpr






On 11/4/14, 9:55 AM, "Adam Moffett via Af"  wrote:

>Will they ever make the 450SM talk to our old 430AP's ?
>
>I hate buying two different types of SM's, especially knowing that I'll
>want to replace the damn 430 with a 450 later.
>

[AFMUG] 450SM to 430AP

[Adam Moffett via Af]

Will they ever make the 450SM talk to our old 430AP's ?

I hate buying two different types of SM's, especially knowing that I'll 
want to replace the damn 430 with a 450 later.

Re: [AFMUG] New Toy

[Jaime Solorza via Af]

Nice. Thx

Jaime Solorza
On Nov 4, 2014 6:37 AM, "Stefan Englhardt via Af"  wrote:

> With our ETSI power limits I should see up to 300Mbps (128QAM) both ways.
>
> At the moment I see „only“ 240 Mbps (64QAM). The polarisation is
>
> shown wrong. Signal is exactly as calculated. Talking to support now to
> wrench out
>
> some Mbps. In US I would see 470Mbps on this link.
>
>
>
> Latency as always <1ms.
>
>
>
> Happy to move another link out of the 5GHz Band.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Jaime Solorza
> via Af
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 4. November 2014 14:19
> *An:* Animal Farm
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] New Toy
>
>
>
> Cool. Curious to see much you can push through link.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Nov 3, 2014 9:39 PM, "Stefan Englhardt via Af"  wrote:
>
> one mile
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Jay Weekley via Af 
> *Gesendet:* ‎Dienstag‎, ‎4‎. ‎November‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎57
> *An:* Jay Weekley via Af 
>
>
>
> Welcher Entfernung
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On Nov 3, 2014 12:17 PM, "Stefan Englhardt via Af"  wrote:
>
> > Integra 24GHz. Love it. Easy to mount. No need to crimp. Small profile.
> > I will mount the second side tomorrow and see how it performs.
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] New Toy

[Stefan Englhardt via Af]

With our ETSI power limits I should see up to 300Mbps (128QAM) both ways.

At the moment I see „only“ 240 Mbps (64QAM). The polarisation is

shown wrong. Signal is exactly as calculated. Talking to support now to wrench 
out

some Mbps. In US I would see 470Mbps on this link.



Latency as always <1ms.



Happy to move another link out of the 5GHz Band.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jaime Solorza via Af
Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. November 2014 14:19
An: Animal Farm
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] New Toy



Cool. Curious to see much you can push through link.

Jaime Solorza

On Nov 3, 2014 9:39 PM, "Stefan Englhardt via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

one mile





Von: Jay Weekley via Af 
Gesendet: ‎Dienstag‎, ‎4‎. ‎November‎ ‎2014 ‎04‎:‎57
An: Jay Weekley via Af 



Welcher Entfernung

Jaime Solorza
On Nov 3, 2014 12:17 PM, "Stefan Englhardt via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com> > wrote:

> Integra 24GHz. Love it. Easy to mount. No need to crimp. Small profile.
> I will mount the second side tomorrow and see how it performs.
>
>