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Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration

[Ken Hohhof]

I submitted like 5 of them on 4/13, all still pending.  We have installed a 
few more subs since then, I have not bothered submitting them since I'm 
unclear if the FCC even wants us to continue doing that or will ever process 
the applications.


As far as the flood of applications in the week before April 17, there are 2 
explanations:


1)  Catching up on paperwork for sites that were already installed and 
operational.  (Because, of course, everyone waits for the application to be 
approved before installing the customer.)


2)  A land grab to grandfather fictitious sites, many of which won't even be 
built out within a year.


I think it was a lot of #1 and a little bit of #2.  The FCC thinks it was 
all #2.  We can't really argue, that would require admitting that we went 
ahead and installed the customer without waiting for the FCC lady to rubber 
stamp the application.  I mean Geez Louise, even the DMV gives you a 
temporary license plate so you can drive your new car home from the dealer.


I think the reason the Empire made the fully operational Death Star look 
half finished, was they were still waiting for their FCC license to be 
approved.



-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett

Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration

These were all submitted the week prior to April 17th.  I heard there
were a lot of registrations that week.


On 5/15/2015 11:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Related question:  do they even want us to register sites after April 17?

I read the R&O and I'm still unclear on that.  I think Steve Coran's 
summary on the WISPA list said something along the lines of operators MAY 
continue to register locations after April 17, but they will not be 
grandfathered once the SAS comes onboard. Does MAY mean you can if you 
want to, but we no longer care?  I think they make it pretty clear that 
operators can continue adding subscribers to existing basestations, just 
not clear if they still need to be registered on the now legacy NN 
licenses.  And totally unclear (at least to my feeble brain) if it is 
legal to deploy new basestations, or for operators without a nationwide NN 
license to deploy anything at all.


One interpretation would be that 3650-3700 is now effectively unlicensed 
until the SAS comes onboard, at which point equipment registered by 
4/17/15 and operational by 4/17/16 (actually a geographic area around said 
equipment) will be grandfathered for X years to operate without SAS 
functionality in 3650-3700 but not 3550-3650.  Everything else must have 
SAS functionality and get frequency assignments dynamically.


Another interpretation would be if you didn't register your equipment by 
the deadline, you must now stand down until the SAS are available. 
Effectively putting the band in a holding pattern waiting for the SAS.



-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration

I have a bunch of pending 3.65ghz site registrations.

What's the best way to find out what the hold up is?

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration

[Adam Moffett]

3) We have a contract with the state *requiring* us to build a bunch of 
sites this summer.  I registered them all a few months early because of 
the uncertainty of what would happen after 4/17.




On 5/15/2015 12:09 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I submitted like 5 of them on 4/13, all still pending.  We have 
installed a few more subs since then, I have not bothered submitting 
them since I'm unclear if the FCC even wants us to continue doing that 
or will ever process the applications.


As far as the flood of applications in the week before April 17, there 
are 2 explanations:


1)  Catching up on paperwork for sites that were already installed and 
operational.  (Because, of course, everyone waits for the application 
to be approved before installing the customer.)


2)  A land grab to grandfather fictitious sites, many of which won't 
even be built out within a year.


I think it was a lot of #1 and a little bit of #2.  The FCC thinks it 
was all #2.  We can't really argue, that would require admitting that 
we went ahead and installed the customer without waiting for the FCC 
lady to rubber stamp the application.  I mean Geez Louise, even the 
DMV gives you a temporary license plate so you can drive your new car 
home from the dealer.


I think the reason the Empire made the fully operational Death Star 
look half finished, was they were still waiting for their FCC license 
to be approved.



-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration

These were all submitted the week prior to April 17th.  I heard there
were a lot of registrations that week.


On 5/15/2015 11:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Related question:  do they even want us to register sites after April 
17?


I read the R&O and I'm still unclear on that.  I think Steve Coran's 
summary on the WISPA list said something along the lines of operators 
MAY continue to register locations after April 17, but they will not 
be grandfathered once the SAS comes onboard. Does MAY mean you can if 
you want to, but we no longer care?  I think they make it pretty 
clear that operators can continue adding subscribers to existing 
basestations, just not clear if they still need to be registered on 
the now legacy NN licenses. And totally unclear (at least to my 
feeble brain) if it is legal to deploy new basestations, or for 
operators without a nationwide NN license to deploy anything at all.


One interpretation would be that 3650-3700 is now effectively 
unlicensed until the SAS comes onboard, at which point equipment 
registered by 4/17/15 and operational by 4/17/16 (actually a 
geographic area around said equipment) will be grandfathered for X 
years to operate without SAS functionality in 3650-3700 but not 
3550-3650.  Everything else must have SAS functionality and get 
frequency assignments dynamically.


Another interpretation would be if you didn't register your equipment 
by the deadline, you must now stand down until the SAS are available. 
Effectively putting the band in a holding pattern waiting for the SAS.



-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration

I have a bunch of pending 3.65ghz site registrations.

What's the best way to find out what the hold up is?

Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!

[Gino Villarini]

So there goes my migration plan...

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini



> On May 15, 2015, at 11:32 AM, WaveDirect  wrote:
> 
> Well I heard they were gearing up for bigger things.  The reasons for them 
> leaving were private and really don't matter as far as the product is 
> concerned. They both were there for a while so maybe a change in life is good 
> for them both.  Powercode is in a pretty good state at the moment but I just 
> hope they can hire someone SOON.. a ringer who'll give Powercode the same 
> care and consideration that Simon and Jacob gave it.  
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!
> 
> The good thing about it is there wont be any safe major updates for a while
> so everybody can focus on their summer projects, but with these two gone,
> there is no way the company vision wont change. With simon there it had
> become a beautiful usercentric product.
> 
>> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 10:15 AM, WaveDirect  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes the culling has begun...
>> 
>> Not happy.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Gino Villarini" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:28:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!
>> 
>> Say aint so?
>> 
>> From: CBB Fuller > par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > af@afmug.com>>
>> Date: Friday, May 15, 2015 at 10:20 AM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!
>> 
>> 
>> hmmm, not sure i like what i am hearing
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Josh Luthman
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 8:51 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!
>> 
>> 
>> Wow...
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Dropping Chinese & Korean IP's in Mikrotik

[Glen Waldrop]

I finally got a list from the cable guy. He says the SMC 3000 series, the Cisco 
3825, Netgear 3000, basically all DOCSIS 3.0 with routers built it.



From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 6:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dropping Chinese & Korean IP's in Mikrotik

I was checking to see what we are using on the cable side of things …

 

We are deploying Cisco DPC3848 for higher end packages. All other packages are 
Technicolor DCM476.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 11:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dropping Chinese & Korean IP's in Mikrotik

 

I'll get the info tomorrow and get back to you. It is mostly Cisco and SMC. 
Might be related to the DNS rebind hack. 

 

When I set the edge to drop invalid packets the problems got better. We've 
watched some UDP and TCP traffic on random ports from random addresses to the 
cable modems in question while they were having connection problems.

 

 

  - Original Message - 

  From: Paul Stewart 

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 8:04 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dropping Chinese & Korean IP's in Mikrotik

   

  What make if you don’t mind me asking?  Any details you can share…

   

  Totally curious of details – at $$$job we have quite a number of customers on 
cable modem and always good to know if there’s a problem out there… 

   

  Thanks,

  Paul

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop
  Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 8:45 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dropping Chinese & Korean IP's in Mikrotik

   

  They only have one public IP per customer.

  The dummie cable modems have an internal IP and pass the public through to 
the customer. These are wireless routers with a cable modem built in. Those 
have public IP addresses and the hackers are going crazy on them. Always 
something new.

   

   

- Original Message - 

From: Mike Hammett 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 4:21 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dropping Chinese & Korean IP's in Mikrotik

 

One public IP per customer...



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com






From: "Glen Waldrop" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 4:18:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dropping Chinese & Korean IP's in Mikrotik

 

The cable modems have an internal address, but they get the ones with 
routers built in. Those have a public IP.

I keep telling him that we could NAT 90% of his customers and cut this 
problem down as well as free up a sizable chunk of IP addresses.

 

 

  - Original Message - 

  From: Paul Stewart 

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 4:12 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dropping Chinese & Korean IP's in Mikrotik

   

  Usually management for cable modems is on a private network that isn’t 
Internet accessible…. Sounds strange….

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop
  Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 5:08 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dropping Chinese & Korean IP's in Mikrotik

   

  Script kiddies are attacking the cable modems. If bossman would follow my 
recommenation and give them dumbie modems and let the customer deal with the 
router, they'd be fine, it would be the customer's problem and I'd likely get 
the call to go out and secure their personal router if they managed to 
successfully hack it.

  We've got Cisco and SMC scratching their heads on this.

   

   

- Original Message - 

From: Paul Stewart 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 2:02 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dropping Chinese & Korean IP's in Mikrotik

 

Why block at all?  I know it’s a loaded question but I always take the 
approach that customers should be protecting themselves.  If they don’t 
protected themselves and create your network service effecting issues than 
disconnect them until they sort their stuff out.

 

Also, in my limited testing with Microtik boxes I found their firewall 
could easily be used to topple over the router – I wouldn’t put my “core 
router” in the middle of an attack until I had to … going by memory this was an 
RB1100 with 25-30 firewall rules – less than 100 Mbs of dirty/malicious traffic 
and the box was taken offline.  This doesn’t make Microtik unique which is part 
of my point – even easier is inline IPS boxes that are underpowered in the 
first place.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 1:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: R

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration

[Mathew Howard]

I registered some sites the week before the cutoff that we actually have
built out since... normally I wouldn't have done it until after it was
installed, like a normal person. Fortunately, I had finally gotten around
to making sure all of our existing sites were registered properly a few
weeks before that.

I did register one site that we have planned which may not actually happen,
but I wanted to have the option of putting it up without having to deal
with what's going on now.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> 3) We have a contract with the state *requiring* us to build a bunch of
> sites this summer.  I registered them all a few months early because of the
> uncertainty of what would happen after 4/17.
>
>
>
>
> On 5/15/2015 12:09 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>> I submitted like 5 of them on 4/13, all still pending.  We have installed
>> a few more subs since then, I have not bothered submitting them since I'm
>> unclear if the FCC even wants us to continue doing that or will ever
>> process the applications.
>>
>> As far as the flood of applications in the week before April 17, there
>> are 2 explanations:
>>
>> 1)  Catching up on paperwork for sites that were already installed and
>> operational.  (Because, of course, everyone waits for the application to be
>> approved before installing the customer.)
>>
>> 2)  A land grab to grandfather fictitious sites, many of which won't even
>> be built out within a year.
>>
>> I think it was a lot of #1 and a little bit of #2.  The FCC thinks it was
>> all #2.  We can't really argue, that would require admitting that we went
>> ahead and installed the customer without waiting for the FCC lady to rubber
>> stamp the application.  I mean Geez Louise, even the DMV gives you a
>> temporary license plate so you can drive your new car home from the dealer.
>>
>> I think the reason the Empire made the fully operational Death Star look
>> half finished, was they were still waiting for their FCC license to be
>> approved.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:46 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration
>>
>> These were all submitted the week prior to April 17th.  I heard there
>> were a lot of registrations that week.
>>
>>
>> On 5/15/2015 11:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>>> Related question:  do they even want us to register sites after April 17?
>>>
>>> I read the R&O and I'm still unclear on that.  I think Steve Coran's
>>> summary on the WISPA list said something along the lines of operators MAY
>>> continue to register locations after April 17, but they will not be
>>> grandfathered once the SAS comes onboard. Does MAY mean you can if you want
>>> to, but we no longer care?  I think they make it pretty clear that
>>> operators can continue adding subscribers to existing basestations, just
>>> not clear if they still need to be registered on the now legacy NN
>>> licenses. And totally unclear (at least to my feeble brain) if it is legal
>>> to deploy new basestations, or for operators without a nationwide NN
>>> license to deploy anything at all.
>>>
>>> One interpretation would be that 3650-3700 is now effectively unlicensed
>>> until the SAS comes onboard, at which point equipment registered by 4/17/15
>>> and operational by 4/17/16 (actually a geographic area around said
>>> equipment) will be grandfathered for X years to operate without SAS
>>> functionality in 3650-3700 but not 3550-3650.  Everything else must have
>>> SAS functionality and get frequency assignments dynamically.
>>>
>>> Another interpretation would be if you didn't register your equipment by
>>> the deadline, you must now stand down until the SAS are available.
>>> Effectively putting the band in a holding pattern waiting for the SAS.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
>>> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:19 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration
>>>
>>> I have a bunch of pending 3.65ghz site registrations.
>>>
>>> What's the best way to find out what the hold up is?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] FOR SALE

[Lewis Bergman]

I have a number of items that nobody ever came and got.

What I list is brand new in the box unless I mention different.

UBNT AF24 link complete
ePMP 5G SM - 3 boxes of 20 each
ePMP 5G AP - Maybe 6 each

MT - RB2011iL-RM 2 EA
  - RB2011UiAS-IN

Planet switches -
   - IGS-10020HPT - 5EA
   - MGSD-10080F -  a few

various SFP's used in all of the above.

If anyone is interested I can get an accurate count and you can make an
offer.

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Powercode

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

well, while we're discussing powercode, the biggest / "only" issue we have 
right now is google calendar intregration with our installers.  last i read on 
the forum, it was an "outdated api" issue.   is anyone working with powercode 
on this currently?

thanks :)
  - Original Message - 
  From: Adair Winter 
  To: memb...@wispa.org 
  Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 11:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Powercode


  Uh.WTH. 

  On May 15, 2015 11:43 AM, "Adrian Folsom"  wrote:

So now Jacob is gone too, and personally I am now becoming worried.


For those who did not receive the emails, here they are:


<<
On May 4, 2015, at 1:12 PM, Simon Westlake  wrote:

Adrian,




I wanted to let you know that today is my last day at Powercode. In my 
absence, please use Jacob as a point of contact - you can reach him at 
ja...@powercode.com. I greatly appreciate the opportunity I've had to work with 
you in my time at Powercode, and I wish you all the best in the future. I am 
confident that I leave you in good hands with the team at Powercode, and that 
they will continue to provide you with the same exceptional service and quality 
product as I hope you agree you've received over the past few years.




I wish you all the best and I hope our paths cross again in the future!

>>

<<


On May 15, 2015, at 6:05 AM, Jacob Kailing  wrote:

Hello,




I am contacting you to inform you that today will be my last day at 
Powercode. It has been a pleasure getting to know you during our time working 
together and  I wish you continued success in the future. Zach Curry will be 
your new point of contact in my absence. Please contact supp...@powercode.com 
or z...@powercode.com for support or sales inquiries.





It was a pleasure getting to know you and building a great relationship. I 
wish you the best!

>>





Adrian Folsom, MBA
Director of Sales & Marketing
Ptera Inc.
d. 509.464.6941
c. 509.294.0027
ptera.com
facebook.com/PteraInc | twitter.com/Ptera





On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Kameron Blomquist 
 wrote:

  or here... first i am hearing about it...


  Interesting.








  On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:16 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:



No email here 


Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone


- Reply message -
From: "Casey|WISPA" 
To: "memb...@wispa.org" 
Subject: [WISPA Members] Powercode
Date: Thu, May 14, 2015 9:12 AM


I never saw an email. 

Sent from my iPhone

On May 14, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:


  Me either, got the news here!


  I think PC is lacking on PR.  They should have someone dealing with 
this “situation” , No one is here on answering questions …


  From: Darin Steffl 
  Reply-To: "memb...@wispa.org" 
  Date: Thursday, May 14, 2015 at 9:47 AM
  To: "memb...@wispa.org" 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Powercode



  I never received an email either and assuming Daniel didn't.. I get 
all emails. Not in spam either. 


  On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Adair Winter 
 wrote:

It was and Simon had even admitted about I but I know they were 
working on it.

On May 14, 2015 8:20 AM, "Tekwav Lists"  
wrote:

  And not this Powercode customer.  In my opinion, I actually think 
their customer service levels are starting to slip.


  On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Adair Winter 
 wrote:

Not this powercode customer.

On May 14, 2015 8:16 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
 wrote:

  He sent a message announcing it to all Powercode customers.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On May 14, 2015 3:08 AM, "Daniel Moore" 
 wrote:

Does anyone know the truth behind Simon and Powercode? I 
have seen emails from AF mailing lists that Simon is no longer with them.  I am 
not a member of AF so do not get those emails, can anyone confirm/deny?  If 
this is true, I wonder how this might affect them… as I understand he is (or 
was) the driving force behind it. 



-Daniel 




___
Members mailing list
memb...@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members



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  memb...@wispa.org
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration

[Adam Moffett]

From the horse's mouth:

That would be fine.  You might want to add to that the caveat that 
whatever you register must be built out within 12 months.


*From:*Adam Moffett [mailto:ad...@clarityconnect.com]
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 1:35 PM
*To:* John Lambert
*Subject:* Re: Pending registrations

Can I share the paragraph below with some colleagues in the industry?  
It might put some speculation to rest for other people.


On 5/15/2015 1:31 PM, John Lambert wrote:

Adam,

I’m certain that you don’t have anything to worry about.  I see that 
your applications have a receipt date of 4/16/15, which is obviously 
before the vote was taken on the 17^th . Cheryl is working her way 
through these.  Even if you filed a registration today it could be 
accepted, the location would just not be used in determining your 
protection contour. That’s all the 17^th means.


We just won’t be granting any new nationwide licenses in this 
service.  You can still register sites.


Thanks,

John

[AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Jason McKemie]

I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's
thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC
gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near
future.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Mike Hammett]

ePMP. UBNT hasn't proven themselves able to get DFS or 5150 certification in 
their AirMax line for any new products in a while. Lots of throughput doesn't 
mean jack when there's no sync and no usable spectrum. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Jason McKemie"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 1:20:55 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC 


I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's thoughts 
on these two products? I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC gear doesn't have 
the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near future. 


-Jason 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Josh Reynolds]

AC has been getting lower approvals over the past few weeks, check the FCC 
approvals site.

On May 15, 2015 10:20:55 AM AKDT, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:
>I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's
>thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC
>gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the
>near
>future.
>
>-Jason

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Mike Hammett]

5150 or DFS? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds"  
To: af@afmug.com, "Jason McKemie"  
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 1:23:02 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC 

AC has been getting lower approvals over the past few weeks, check the FCC 
approvals site. 


On May 15, 2015 10:20:55 AM AKDT, Jason McKemie 
 wrote: 


I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's thoughts 
on these two products? I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC gear doesn't have 
the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near future. 


-Jason 


-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Josh Reynolds]

This is incorrect. In the past few weeks several products from UBNT have 
received their lower band certs. Check the FCC approvals by date.

On May 15, 2015 10:22:33 AM AKDT, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>ePMP. UBNT hasn't proven themselves able to get DFS or 5150
>certification in their AirMax line for any new products in a while.
>Lots of throughput doesn't mean jack when there's no sync and no usable
>spectrum. 
>
>
>
>
>- 
>Mike Hammett 
>Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>http://www.ics-il.com 
>
>- Original Message -
>
>From: "Jason McKemie"  
>To: af@afmug.com 
>Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 1:20:55 PM 
>Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC 
>
>
>I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's
>thoughts on these two products? I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC
>gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the
>near future. 
>
>
>-Jason 

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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Josh Reynolds]

5150

On May 15, 2015 10:23:33 AM AKDT, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>5150 or DFS? 
>
>
>
>
>- 
>Mike Hammett 
>Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>http://www.ics-il.com 
>
>- Original Message -
>
>From: "Josh Reynolds"  
>To: af@afmug.com, "Jason McKemie"  
>Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 1:23:02 PM 
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC 
>
>AC has been getting lower approvals over the past few weeks, check the
>FCC approvals site. 
>
>
>On May 15, 2015 10:20:55 AM AKDT, Jason McKemie
> wrote: 
>
>
>I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's
>thoughts on these two products? I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC
>gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the
>near future. 
>
>
>-Jason 
>
>
>-- 
>Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. 

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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Keefe John]

I wonder when the firmware update is coming!

On 5/15/2015 1:28 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

5150

On May 15, 2015 10:23:33 AM AKDT, Mike Hammett  wrote:

5150 or DFS?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
*To: *af@afmug.com, "Jason McKemie" 
*Sent: *Friday, May 15, 2015 1:23:02 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

AC has been getting lower approvals over the past few weeks, check
the FCC approvals site.

On May 15, 2015 10:20:55 AM AKDT, Jason McKemie
 wrote:

I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are
other's thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz,
and I know the AC gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands -
hopefully they will in the near future.

-Jason



--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Ken Hohhof]

Yeah, any new product is dead to me until it has those bands.  Coming in the 
future doesn’t cut it.  Even if you intend to operate in upper 5 GHz, typically 
you need the flexibility to operate in 5150 and DFS for 
testing/commissioning/transitioning.

And “trust me, it will be unlocked in future FW once we get approval” doesn’t 
cut it.  I fell for that years ago with the Trango backhaul that ended up 
needing a hardware change to pass DFS.  After that, seeing is believing.  I’m 
not actually from Missouri, but on this topic, I’m a naturalized citizen.


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 1:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

5150 or DFS?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com, "Jason McKemie" 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 1:23:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

AC has been getting lower approvals over the past few weeks, check the FCC 
approvals site.


On May 15, 2015 10:20:55 AM AKDT, Jason McKemie 
 wrote: 
  I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's 
thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC gear 
doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near future. 

  -Jason

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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Adam Moffett]

Agreed.  I have no faith in "we'll have that feature in Q4" anymore.

Yeah, any new product is dead to me until it has those bands.  Coming 
in the future doesn’t cut it.  Even if you intend to operate in upper 
5 GHz, typically you need the flexibility to operate in 5150 and DFS 
for testing/commissioning/transitioning.
And “trust me, it will be unlocked in future FW once we get approval” 
doesn’t cut it.  I fell for that years ago with the Trango backhaul 
that ended up needing a hardware change to pass DFS.  After that, 
seeing is believing.  I’m not actually from Missouri, but on this 
topic, I’m a naturalized citizen.

*From:* Mike Hammett 
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 1:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
5150 or DFS?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
*To: *af@afmug.com, "Jason McKemie" 
*Sent: *Friday, May 15, 2015 1:23:02 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

AC has been getting lower approvals over the past few weeks, check the 
FCC approvals site.


On May 15, 2015 10:20:55 AM AKDT, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:


I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are
other's thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and
I know the AC gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully
they will in the near future.
-Jason


--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Mathew Howard]

I agree, when Q4 keeps turning into Q4 of some future year, it just doesn't
matter anymore... I'm not going to buy anything based on what it might be
able to do someday, I'm going to buy what does the job best as it is right
now.

I can see some cases where Ubiquiti AC may very well be a better choice -
even as it is without the lower bands, but overall, I think ePMP is the
better product at this point.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

>  Agreed.  I have no faith in "we'll have that feature in Q4" anymore.
>
>   Yeah, any new product is dead to me until it has those bands.  Coming
> in the future doesn’t cut it.  Even if you intend to operate in upper 5
> GHz, typically you need the flexibility to operate in 5150 and DFS for
> testing/commissioning/transitioning.
>
> And “trust me, it will be unlocked in future FW once we get approval”
> doesn’t cut it.  I fell for that years ago with the Trango backhaul that
> ended up needing a hardware change to pass DFS.  After that, seeing is
> believing.  I’m not actually from Missouri, but on this topic, I’m a
> naturalized citizen.
>
>
>  *From:* Mike Hammett 
> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 1:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>
>  5150 or DFS?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com, "Jason McKemie" 
> 
> *Sent: *Friday, May 15, 2015 1:23:02 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>
> AC has been getting lower approvals over the past few weeks, check the FCC
> approvals site.
>
> On May 15, 2015 10:20:55 AM AKDT, Jason McKemie
>  
> wrote:
>>
>> I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's
>> thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC
>> gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near
>> future.
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Cisco 3945's For Sale - Large Lot

[Paul Stewart]

I have a large lot of CISCO3945E/K9 routers for sale - all brand new.

 

122 units - prefer to sell entire lot at once.  Will let the lot go for
$535,000 USD if anyone interested in buying all of them.  I am sending this
note out to several dozen contacts as well and anticipate them to sell fast.
Freight on entire lot will be worked out.

 

If I get no takers on the entire lot  I will consider selling them at
$6,000/ea plus shipping.  

FOB is Toronto, ON area - so customs would also be buyers responsibility if
applicable.  GST/HST taxes where applicable would apply as well.

 

Thanks,

Paul

 

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 registration

[Jaime Solorza]

867 5309

Jaime Solorza
On May 15, 2015 9:23 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

>  What's her number?
>
> On 5/15/2015 11:22 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> call her
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a bunch of pending 3.65ghz site registrations.
>>
>> What's the best way to find out what the hold up is?
>>
>>
>
>
>  --
>   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Equipment for Sale

[Yent, Timothy M]

  Motorola/Cambium  Used
  
 2.4 6dB  Stingers   21
 2.4 SM's 2400SM   19
 2450APP10 Connectorized  2
 2.4 Test Adapter  1
  
 Ubiquiti
  
 Bullet M2 70
 Nanobridge M2/Dishes and poe's 110
  
 Toughswitch TS-5-POE1  New
 Bullet M5  1  Used
  
 Please contact off list.
  
 Tim

  
  

Re: [AFMUG] Cisco 3945's For Sale - Large Lot

[Paul Stewart]

Sold . thanks for your interest.

 

Paul

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 3:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Cisco 3945's For Sale - Large Lot

 

I have a large lot of CISCO3945E/K9 routers for sale - all brand new.

 

122 units - prefer to sell entire lot at once.  Will let the lot go for
$535,000 USD if anyone interested in buying all of them.  I am sending this
note out to several dozen contacts as well and anticipate them to sell fast.
Freight on entire lot will be worked out.

 

If I get no takers on the entire lot  I will consider selling them at
$6,000/ea plus shipping.  

FOB is Toronto, ON area - so customs would also be buyers responsibility if
applicable.  GST/HST taxes where applicable would apply as well.

 

Thanks,

Paul

 

[AFMUG] OT..ET warning

[Jaime Solorza]

So working at well near Fort Bliss when we hear the Close Encounters of 4th
Kind diddy over loud speakers.  Twice then a voice.  Too windy to discern.
Seems like they are testing warning systems.  It is going through zones.
Kinda cool

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Cisco 3945's For Sale - Large Lot

[Keefe John]

That was fast.

On 5/15/2015 4:00 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:


Sold … thanks for your interest.

Paul

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:37 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Cisco 3945's For Sale - Large Lot

I have a large lot of CISCO3945E/K9 routers for sale – all brand new.

122 units – prefer to sell entire lot at once.  Will let the lot go 
for $535,000 USD if anyone interested in buying all of them.  I am 
sending this note out to several dozen contacts as well and anticipate 
them to sell fast.  Freight on entire lot will be worked out.


If I get no takers on the entire lot  I will consider selling them at 
$6,000/ea plus shipping.


FOB is Toronto, ON area – so customs would also be buyers 
responsibility if applicable.  GST/HST taxes where applicable would 
apply as well.


Thanks,

Paul

Re: [AFMUG] Cisco 3945's For Sale - Large Lot

[Ken Hohhof]

I don’t know which is more astounding, that you have 122 NIB 3945 routers to 
sell, or that you sold them in like an hour.

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 4:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cisco 3945's For Sale - Large Lot

Sold … thanks for your interest.

 

Paul

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 3:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Cisco 3945's For Sale - Large Lot

 

I have a large lot of CISCO3945E/K9 routers for sale – all brand new.

 

122 units – prefer to sell entire lot at once.  Will let the lot go for 
$535,000 USD if anyone interested in buying all of them.  I am sending this 
note out to several dozen contacts as well and anticipate them to sell fast.  
Freight on entire lot will be worked out.

 

If I get no takers on the entire lot  I will consider selling them at $6,000/ea 
plus shipping.  

FOB is Toronto, ON area – so customs would also be buyers responsibility if 
applicable.  GST/HST taxes where applicable would apply as well.

 

Thanks,

Paul

 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Peter Kranz]

AC blows doors on ePMP

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

 

I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's thoughts 
on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC gear doesn't 
have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near future.

 

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[SmarterBroadband]

But no sync.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

 

AC blows doors on ePMP

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

 

I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's thoughts 
on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC gear doesn't 
have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near future.

 

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Josh Reynolds]

One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*)

Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps per sub" (*)

(*) under the right conditions

Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more important.

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


But no sync.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

AC blows doors on ePMP

*Peter Kranz
*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's 
thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the 
AC gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the 
near future.


-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Colin Stanners]

Pfft, you don't need sync when you have all the spectrum of 5.1-5.4... oh
wait.
On May 15, 2015 7:56 PM, "SmarterBroadband" 
wrote:

> But no sync.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>
>
>
> AC blows doors on ePMP
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>
>
>
> I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's
> thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC
> gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near
> future.
>
>
>
> -Jason
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Mike Hammett]

With only a few APs per tower because of co-channel interference... 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 7:59:14 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC 

One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*) 

Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps per sub" (*) 

(*) under the right conditions 

Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more important. 
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com 
On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: 




But no sync. 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC 

AC blows doors on ePMP 

Peter Kranz 
www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 
Mobile: 510-207- 
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC 


I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's thoughts 
on these two products? I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC gear doesn't have 
the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near future. 



-Jason 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium question

[Jaime Solorza]

117mbps and 65mbps with no fine alignment yet..not shabby

Jaime Solorza
On May 15, 2015 6:49 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Not sure why they are not using Dragonwave.   I dont know too much about
> techs skills as far as path engineering but owner is not technical but good
> at getting business.  I will share the results once I know.
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On May 14, 2015 8:55 PM, "Craig House"  wrote:
>
>> I have a 5ghz EPMP link on force dishes at 4 miles at -56 and full MCS15
>> that gets 66mb each way if that helps
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 14, 2015, at 21:41, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>> Depends what they're doing with the link... it could just be that they
>> couldn't justify the cost of a dragonwave in this particular case...a
>> reseller not knowing how to calculate the path would be a bit concerning
>> though.
>>
>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:31 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> thats concerning, a dragonwave reseller not using their own product, and
>>> not knowing how to calculate path with vendor tools
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 If everything is perfect, I would expect they'll do pretty close to 100
 meg... Cambium claims 220 aggregate, and I would think they should do full
 modulation with 30db dishes and LOS, but I'm far too lazy to try to
 actually calculate it at the moment.

 On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I was going to do that after my beer time.  I have link planner in
> office desktop. .might need updates ..Skukra
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On May 14, 2015 6:06 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jaime,
>> No need to be an Oracle.
>> In the support section of Cambium site they provide a link planner...
>> Use the tool, and take the guess work out  of the equation
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:39:37 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium question
>>
>> Not my company. ..they are Dragonwave resellers ..saw one of their
>> techs at gas station.   Told me he was installing gear manana and asked
>> what I would expect at that distance.  Told him I would consult the 
>> oracle
>> and get back at him
>> So Oracle away..
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On May 14, 2015 5:32 PM, "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)" <
>> geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Gonna have to use a 40MHz channel. Good luck with that. Why not
>>> licensed?
>>>
>>> On 5/14/2015 6:30 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>

 Local WISP purchased a pair of Cambium epmp and 30db dishes for a
 15 mile link from bank building to water tank clean LOS.  What speeds 
 can
 he expect from a 100 x 100 fiber feed at bank out to tank?  What is 
 receive
 threshold of these radios? Thank you Cambi dudes...

 Jaime Solorza


>>>
>>

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Josh Reynolds]

We do pretty well with ~14 APs at some sites on 5GHz, with shield kits 
and physical separation.


Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

On 05/15/2015 05:00 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

With only a few APs per tower because of co-channel interference...



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, May 15, 2015 7:59:14 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*)

Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps per 
sub" (*)


(*) under the right conditions

Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more important.
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com
On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

But no sync.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

AC blows doors on ePMP

*Peter Kranz
*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are
other's thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and
I know the AC gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully
they will in the near future.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Jason McKemie]

True, airprism is supposed to help with that, not sure how much it actually
does, however.

On Friday, May 15, 2015, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> With only a few APs per tower because of co-channel interference...
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Friday, May 15, 2015 7:59:14 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>
> One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*)
>
> Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps per sub"
> (*)
>
> (*) under the right conditions
>
> Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more important.
>
> Josh Reynolds
> CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com
>
> On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
>  But no sync.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Peter
> Kranz
> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>
>
>
> AC blows doors on ePMP
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Jason
> McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>
>
>
> I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's
> thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC
> gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near
> future.
>
>
>
> -Jason
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Josh Reynolds]

Helps with adjacent channel like any other filter, not co-channel.

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

On 05/15/2015 05:22 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
True, airprism is supposed to help with that, not sure how much it 
actually does, however.


On Friday, May 15, 2015, Mike Hammett > wrote:


With only a few APs per tower because of co-channel interference...



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"Josh Reynolds" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Friday, May 15, 2015 7:59:14 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*)

Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps per
sub" (*)

(*) under the right conditions

Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more
important.

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com  

On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

But no sync.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On
Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

AC blows doors on ePMP

*Peter Kranz
*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On
Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are
other's thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz,
and I know the AC gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands -
hopefully they will in the near future.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Adam Moffett]

I've always considered mbps to be among the least important concerns on 
PTMP, well below packet loss, jitter, QoS features, manageability, 
consistency, and reliability.  Which is why I'm not super keen on *any* 
of the wifi stuff.  This seems is like an argument about whether a Pinto 
is better than a Fiesta.




One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*)

Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps per 
sub" (*)


(*) under the right conditions

Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more important.
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com
On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


But no sync.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

AC blows doors on ePMP

*Peter Kranz
*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are 
other's thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and I 
know the AC gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they 
will in the near future.


-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Mathew Howard]

That's a very good point, regardless of what some customers seem to think,
mbps really isn't the most important thing...

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

>  I've always considered mbps to be among the least important concerns on
> PTMP, well below packet loss, jitter, QoS features, manageability,
> consistency, and reliability.  Which is why I'm not super keen on *any* of
> the wifi stuff.  This seems is like an argument about whether a Pinto is
> better than a Fiesta.
> 
>
>  One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*)
>
> Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps per sub"
> (*)
>
> (*) under the right conditions
>
> Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more important.
>
> Josh Reynolds
> CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com
>
> On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
>  But no sync.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>
>
>
> AC blows doors on ePMP
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>
>
>
> I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's
> thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC
> gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near
> future.
>
>
>
> -Jason
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Josh Reynolds]

And you have the opinion you can control that, constantly, on unlicensed 
spectrum?


*smirk*

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

On 05/15/2015 05:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
That's a very good point, regardless of what some customers seem to 
think, mbps really isn't the most important thing...


On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


I've always considered mbps to be among the least important
concerns on PTMP, well below packet loss, jitter, QoS features,
manageability, consistency, and reliability.  Which is why I'm not
super keen on *any* of the wifi stuff.  This seems is like an
argument about whether a Pinto is better than a Fiesta.



One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*)

Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps
per sub" (*)

(*) under the right conditions

Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more
important.
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com  
On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


But no sync.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

AC blows doors on ePMP

*Peter Kranz
*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 
Mobile: 510-207- 
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are
other's thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz,
and I know the AC gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands -
hopefully they will in the near future.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Glen Waldrop]

The various TDMA or other proprietary protocols generally handle the jitter and 
packet loss issues.

I'm not as crazy about TDMA over Nstreme though. NV2 and Airmax both tend to 
lose packets and still show high % CCQ. It isn't noticeable over TCP, but I see 
it in UDP traffic.

Shame MT can't get their FCC certs straight.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Adam Moffett 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 8:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC


  I've always considered mbps to be among the least important concerns on PTMP, 
well below packet loss, jitter, QoS features, manageability, consistency, and 
reliability.  Which is why I'm not super keen on *any* of the wifi stuff.  This 
seems is like an argument about whether a Pinto is better than a Fiesta.
  


One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*)

Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps per sub" (*)

(*) under the right conditions

Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more important.

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.comOn 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

  But no sync.



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz
  Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC



  AC blows doors on ePMP



  Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
  Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
  Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
  Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC



  I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's 
thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC gear 
doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near future.



  -Jason

[AFMUG] google domains?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

any issues with using google domains to register and manage a domain name?

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Powercode

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Who the hell is Alexander?

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:04 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

>
> well, while we're discussing powercode, the biggest / "only" issue we have
> right now is google calendar intregration with our installers.  last i read
> on the forum, it was an "outdated api" issue.   is anyone working with
> powercode on this currently?
>
> thanks :)
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Adair Winter 
> *To:* memb...@wispa.org
> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:51 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Powercode
>
> Uh.WTH.
> On May 15, 2015 11:43 AM, "Adrian Folsom"  wrote:
>
>> So now Jacob is gone too, and personally I am now becoming worried.
>>
>> For those who did not receive the emails, here they are:
>>
>> <<
>>
>> On May 4, 2015, at 1:12 PM, Simon Westlake  wrote:
>>
>> Adrian,
>>
>>
>> I wanted to let you know that today is my last day at Powercode. In my
>> absence, please use Jacob as a point of contact - you can reach him at
>> ja...@powercode.com. I greatly appreciate the opportunity I've had to
>> work with you in my time at Powercode, and I wish you all the best in the
>> future. I am confident that I leave you in good hands with the team at
>> Powercode, and that they will continue to provide you with the same
>> exceptional service and quality product as I hope you agree you've received
>> over the past few years.
>>
>>
>> I wish you all the best and I hope our paths cross again in the future!
>>
>> >>
>>
>> <<
>>
>> On May 15, 2015, at 6:05 AM, Jacob Kailing  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>> I am contacting you to inform you that today will be my last day at
>> Powercode. It has been a pleasure getting to know you during our time
>> working together and  I wish you continued success in the future. Zach
>> Curry will be your new point of contact in my absence. Please contact
>> supp...@powercode.com or z...@powercode.com for support or sales
>> inquiries.
>>
>>
>>  It was a pleasure getting to know you and building a great
>> relationship. I wish you the best!
>>
>> >>
>>
>>
>> Adrian Folsom, MBA
>> Director of Sales & Marketing
>> *Ptera Inc.*
>> d. 509.464.6941
>> c. 509.294.0027
>> ptera.com
>> facebook.com/PteraInc | twitter.com/Ptera
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Kameron Blomquist <
>> kame...@sightlinewireless.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  or here... first i am hearing about it...
>>>
>>> Interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:16 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>

 No email here

 Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

 - Reply message -
 From: "Casey|WISPA" 
 To: "memb...@wispa.org" 
 Subject: [WISPA Members] Powercode
 Date: Thu, May 14, 2015 9:12 AM

 I never saw an email.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On May 14, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

  Me either, got the news here!

 I think PC is lacking on PR.  They should have someone dealing with
 this “situation” , No one is here on answering questions …

 From: Darin Steffl 
 Reply-To: "memb...@wispa.org" 
 Date: Thursday, May 14, 2015 at 9:47 AM
 To: "memb...@wispa.org " 
 Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Powercode

  I never received an email either and assuming Daniel didn't.. I get
 all emails. Not in spam either.

 On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Adair Winter <
 ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:

> It was and Simon had even admitted about I but I know they were
> working on it.
>  On May 14, 2015 8:20 AM, "Tekwav Lists" 
> wrote:
>
>> And not this Powercode customer.  In my opinion, I actually think
>> their customer service levels are starting to slip.
>>
>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Adair Winter <
>> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Not this powercode customer.
>>>  On May 14, 2015 8:16 AM, "Josh Luthman" <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 He sent a message announcing it to all Powercode customers.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
  On May 14, 2015 3:08 AM, "Daniel Moore" 
 wrote:

>  Does anyone know the truth behind Simon and Powercode? I have
> seen emails from AF mailing lists that Simon is no longer with them.  
> I am
> not a member of AF so do not get those emails, can anyone 
> confirm/deny?  If
> this is true, I wonder how this might affect them… as I understand he 
> is
> (or was) the driving force behind it.
>
>
>
> -Daniel
>
>
>
> ___
> Members mailing list
> memb...@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Powercode

[Jeremy]

I don't know but his email made me feel all warm and fuzzy.  It is
reassuring that they have a plan, and that plan involves hiring people and
developing a roadmap.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 7:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Who the hell is Alexander?
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:04 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> well, while we're discussing powercode, the biggest / "only" issue we
>> have right now is google calendar intregration with our installers.  last i
>> read on the forum, it was an "outdated api" issue.   is anyone working with
>> powercode on this currently?
>>
>> thanks :)
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Adair Winter 
>> *To:* memb...@wispa.org
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:51 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Powercode
>>
>> Uh.WTH.
>> On May 15, 2015 11:43 AM, "Adrian Folsom"  wrote:
>>
>>> So now Jacob is gone too, and personally I am now becoming worried.
>>>
>>> For those who did not receive the emails, here they are:
>>>
>>> <<
>>>
>>> On May 4, 2015, at 1:12 PM, Simon Westlake  wrote:
>>>
>>> Adrian,
>>>
>>>
>>> I wanted to let you know that today is my last day at Powercode. In my
>>> absence, please use Jacob as a point of contact - you can reach him at
>>> ja...@powercode.com. I greatly appreciate the opportunity I've had to
>>> work with you in my time at Powercode, and I wish you all the best in the
>>> future. I am confident that I leave you in good hands with the team at
>>> Powercode, and that they will continue to provide you with the same
>>> exceptional service and quality product as I hope you agree you've received
>>> over the past few years.
>>>
>>>
>>> I wish you all the best and I hope our paths cross again in the future!
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> <<
>>>
>>> On May 15, 2015, at 6:05 AM, Jacob Kailing  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>> I am contacting you to inform you that today will be my last day at
>>> Powercode. It has been a pleasure getting to know you during our time
>>> working together and  I wish you continued success in the future. Zach
>>> Curry will be your new point of contact in my absence. Please contact
>>> supp...@powercode.com or z...@powercode.com for support or sales
>>> inquiries.
>>>
>>>
>>>  It was a pleasure getting to know you and building a great
>>> relationship. I wish you the best!
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adrian Folsom, MBA
>>> Director of Sales & Marketing
>>> *Ptera Inc.*
>>> d. 509.464.6941
>>> c. 509.294.0027
>>> ptera.com
>>> facebook.com/PteraInc | twitter.com/Ptera
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Kameron Blomquist <
>>> kame...@sightlinewireless.com> wrote:
>>>
  or here... first i am hearing about it...

 Interesting.




 On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:16 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
 par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

>
> No email here
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Casey|WISPA" 
> To: "memb...@wispa.org" 
> Subject: [WISPA Members] Powercode
> Date: Thu, May 14, 2015 9:12 AM
>
> I never saw an email.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 14, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
>  Me either, got the news here!
>
> I think PC is lacking on PR.  They should have someone dealing with
> this “situation” , No one is here on answering questions …
>
> From: Darin Steffl 
> Reply-To: "memb...@wispa.org" 
> Date: Thursday, May 14, 2015 at 9:47 AM
> To: "memb...@wispa.org " 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Powercode
>
>  I never received an email either and assuming Daniel didn't.. I get
> all emails. Not in spam either.
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Adair Winter <
> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>
>> It was and Simon had even admitted about I but I know they were
>> working on it.
>>  On May 14, 2015 8:20 AM, "Tekwav Lists" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And not this Powercode customer.  In my opinion, I actually think
>>> their customer service levels are starting to slip.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Adair Winter <
>>> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>>>
 Not this powercode customer.
  On May 14, 2015 8:16 AM, "Josh Luthman" <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> He sent a message announcing it to all Powercode customers.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  On May 14, 2015 3:08 AM, "Daniel Moore" 
> wrote:
>
>>  Does anyone know the truth behind Simon and Powercode? I have
>> seen emails from AF mailing lists that Simon is no longer with them. 
>>  I am
>> not a member of AF so do not get those emails, can anyone 
>> confirm/deny?

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Adam Moffett]

We will both laugh ourselves to sleep tonight.  Each fully knowing that 
the other is doing it wrong :)


And you have the opinion you can control that, constantly, on 
unlicensed spectrum?


*smirk*
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com
On 05/15/2015 05:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
That's a very good point, regardless of what some customers seem to 
think, mbps really isn't the most important thing...


On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


I've always considered mbps to be among the least important
concerns on PTMP, well below packet loss, jitter, QoS features,
manageability, consistency, and reliability.  Which is why I'm
not super keen on *any* of the wifi stuff.  This seems is like an
argument about whether a Pinto is better than a Fiesta.



One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*)

Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps
per sub" (*)

(*) under the right conditions

Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more
important.
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com  
On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


But no sync.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

AC blows doors on ePMP

*Peter Kranz
*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 
Mobile: 510-207- 
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason
McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are
other's thoughts on these two products? I'm looking at 5GHz,
and I know the AC gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands -
hopefully they will in the near future.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Josh Reynolds]

Can I drop an AF5 in front of your tower? I promise that your control 
over packet loss and jitter will go out the fucking window :P


Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

On 05/15/2015 05:56 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
We will both laugh ourselves to sleep tonight.  Each fully knowing 
that the other is doing it wrong :)


And you have the opinion you can control that, constantly, on 
unlicensed spectrum?


*smirk*
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com
On 05/15/2015 05:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
That's a very good point, regardless of what some customers seem to 
think, mbps really isn't the most important thing...


On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


I've always considered mbps to be among the least important
concerns on PTMP, well below packet loss, jitter, QoS features,
manageability, consistency, and reliability.  Which is why I'm
not super keen on *any* of the wifi stuff.  This seems is like
an argument about whether a Pinto is better than a Fiesta.



One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*)

Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps
per sub" (*)

(*) under the right conditions

Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more
important.
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com  
On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


But no sync.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

AC blows doors on ePMP

*Peter Kranz
*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 
Mobile: 510-207- 
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason
McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are
other's thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz,
and I know the AC gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands -
hopefully they will in the near future.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Powercode

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

i think he was a king...

  - Original Message - 
  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 8:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Powercode


  Who the hell is Alexander?


  On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:04 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:


well, while we're discussing powercode, the biggest / "only" issue we have 
right now is google calendar intregration with our installers.  last i read on 
the forum, it was an "outdated api" issue.   is anyone working with powercode 
on this currently?

thanks :)
  - Original Message - 
  From: Adair Winter 
  To: memb...@wispa.org 
  Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 11:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Powercode


  Uh.WTH. 

  On May 15, 2015 11:43 AM, "Adrian Folsom"  wrote:

So now Jacob is gone too, and personally I am now becoming worried. 


For those who did not receive the emails, here they are:


<<
On May 4, 2015, at 1:12 PM, Simon Westlake  wrote:

Adrian,




I wanted to let you know that today is my last day at Powercode. In my 
absence, please use Jacob as a point of contact - you can reach him at 
ja...@powercode.com. I greatly appreciate the opportunity I've had to work with 
you in my time at Powercode, and I wish you all the best in the future. I am 
confident that I leave you in good hands with the team at Powercode, and that 
they will continue to provide you with the same exceptional service and quality 
product as I hope you agree you've received over the past few years.




I wish you all the best and I hope our paths cross again in the future!

>>

<<


On May 15, 2015, at 6:05 AM, Jacob Kailing  wrote:

Hello,




I am contacting you to inform you that today will be my last day at 
Powercode. It has been a pleasure getting to know you during our time working 
together and  I wish you continued success in the future. Zach Curry will be 
your new point of contact in my absence. Please contact supp...@powercode.com 
or z...@powercode.com for support or sales inquiries.





It was a pleasure getting to know you and building a great 
relationship. I wish you the best!

>>





Adrian Folsom, MBA
Director of Sales & Marketing
Ptera Inc.
d. 509.464.6941
c. 509.294.0027
ptera.com
facebook.com/PteraInc | twitter.com/Ptera





On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Kameron Blomquist 
 wrote:

  or here... first i am hearing about it...


  Interesting.








  On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:16 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:



No email here 


Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone


- Reply message -
From: "Casey|WISPA" 
To: "memb...@wispa.org" 
Subject: [WISPA Members] Powercode
Date: Thu, May 14, 2015 9:12 AM


I never saw an email. 

Sent from my iPhone

On May 14, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Gino Villarini  
wrote:


  Me either, got the news here!


  I think PC is lacking on PR.  They should have someone dealing 
with this “situation” , No one is here on answering questions …


  From: Darin Steffl 
  Reply-To: "memb...@wispa.org" 
  Date: Thursday, May 14, 2015 at 9:47 AM
  To: "memb...@wispa.org" 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Powercode



  I never received an email either and assuming Daniel didn't.. I 
get all emails. Not in spam either. 


  On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Adair Winter 
 wrote:

It was and Simon had even admitted about I but I know they were 
working on it.

On May 14, 2015 8:20 AM, "Tekwav Lists"  
wrote:

  And not this Powercode customer.  In my opinion, I actually 
think their customer service levels are starting to slip.


  On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Adair Winter 
 wrote:

Not this powercode customer.

On May 14, 2015 8:16 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
 wrote:

  He sent a message announcing it to all Powercode 
customers.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On May 14, 2015 3:08 AM, "Daniel Moore" 
 wrote:

Does anyone know the truth behind Simon and Powercode? 
I have seen emails from AF mailing lists that Simon is no longer with them.  I 
am not a member of AF so do not get those emails, can anyone confirm/deny?  If 
this is true, I wonder how this might affect them… as I understand he is (or 
was) the driving force behind it. 



-

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Adam Moffett]

Maybe we should each drop an AF5 in front of the other and see who's 
worse off.  I'll race you to the top of the bottom.


It's true that nobody can ensure perfect packet loss and jitter under 
terrible conditions.  The wifi junk is still junk when conditions are 
perfect. See the rest of the items in the list after jitter and packet 
loss :P




 Can I drop an AF5 in front of your tower? I promise that your control 
over packet loss and jitter will go out the fucking window :P

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com
On 05/15/2015 05:56 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
We will both laugh ourselves to sleep tonight.  Each fully knowing 
that the other is doing it wrong :)


And you have the opinion you can control that, constantly, on 
unlicensed spectrum?


*smirk*
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com
On 05/15/2015 05:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
That's a very good point, regardless of what some customers seem to 
think, mbps really isn't the most important thing...


On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


I've always considered mbps to be among the least important
concerns on PTMP, well below packet loss, jitter, QoS features,
manageability, consistency, and reliability.  Which is why I'm
not super keen on *any* of the wifi stuff.  This seems is like
an argument about whether a Pinto is better than a Fiesta.



One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*)

Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps
per sub" (*)

(*) under the right conditions

Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more
important.
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com  
On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


But no sync.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter
Kranz
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

AC blows doors on ePMP

*Peter Kranz
*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 
Mobile: 510-207- 
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason
McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what
are other's thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at
5GHz, and I know the AC gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz
bands - hopefully they will in the near future.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Jaime Solorza]

Hell I don't need an AF5x to cleanly knock many 5 Ghz radios off the air
with a low power video transmitter.  I also have a 5Ghz 1 watt amp someone
sent me to test. ..it works..so combination is scary.   No one has upset me
yet.lol.

Jaime Solorza
On May 15, 2015 7:57 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

>  Can I drop an AF5 in front of your tower? I promise that your control
> over packet loss and jitter will go out the fucking window :P
>
> Josh Reynolds
> CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com
>
> On 05/15/2015 05:56 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> We will both laugh ourselves to sleep tonight.  Each fully knowing that
> the other is doing it wrong :)
>
>  And you have the opinion you can control that, constantly, on unlicensed
> spectrum?
>
> *smirk*
>
> Josh Reynolds
> CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com
>
> On 05/15/2015 05:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> That's a very good point, regardless of what some customers seem to think,
> mbps really isn't the most important thing...
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>>  I've always considered mbps to be among the least important concerns on
>> PTMP, well below packet loss, jitter, QoS features, manageability,
>> consistency, and reliability.  Which is why I'm not super keen on *any* of
>> the wifi stuff.  This seems is like an argument about whether a Pinto is
>> better than a Fiesta.
>> 
>>
>>   One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*)
>>
>> Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps per sub"
>> (*)
>>
>> (*) under the right conditions
>>
>> Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more important.
>>
>> Josh Reynolds
>> CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com
>>
>> On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>>
>>  But no sync.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>>
>>
>>
>> AC blows doors on ePMP
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Peter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 <510-868-1614%20x100>
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>>
>>
>>
>> I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's
>> thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC
>> gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near
>> future.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Powercode

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

you know, the font used in that email was really prettymade me feel sort of 
"high class..."

  - Original Message - 
  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 8:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Powercode


  Who the hell is Alexander?


  On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:04 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:


well, while we're discussing powercode, the biggest / "only" issue we have 
right now is google calendar intregration with our installers.  last i read on 
the forum, it was an "outdated api" issue.   is anyone working with powercode 
on this currently?

thanks :)
  - Original Message - 
  From: Adair Winter 
  To: memb...@wispa.org 
  Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 11:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Powercode


  Uh.WTH. 

  On May 15, 2015 11:43 AM, "Adrian Folsom"  wrote:

So now Jacob is gone too, and personally I am now becoming worried. 


For those who did not receive the emails, here they are:


<<
On May 4, 2015, at 1:12 PM, Simon Westlake  wrote:

Adrian,




I wanted to let you know that today is my last day at Powercode. In my 
absence, please use Jacob as a point of contact - you can reach him at 
ja...@powercode.com. I greatly appreciate the opportunity I've had to work with 
you in my time at Powercode, and I wish you all the best in the future. I am 
confident that I leave you in good hands with the team at Powercode, and that 
they will continue to provide you with the same exceptional service and quality 
product as I hope you agree you've received over the past few years.




I wish you all the best and I hope our paths cross again in the future!

>>

<<


On May 15, 2015, at 6:05 AM, Jacob Kailing  wrote:

Hello,




I am contacting you to inform you that today will be my last day at 
Powercode. It has been a pleasure getting to know you during our time working 
together and  I wish you continued success in the future. Zach Curry will be 
your new point of contact in my absence. Please contact supp...@powercode.com 
or z...@powercode.com for support or sales inquiries.





It was a pleasure getting to know you and building a great 
relationship. I wish you the best!

>>





Adrian Folsom, MBA
Director of Sales & Marketing
Ptera Inc.
d. 509.464.6941
c. 509.294.0027
ptera.com
facebook.com/PteraInc | twitter.com/Ptera





On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Kameron Blomquist 
 wrote:

  or here... first i am hearing about it...


  Interesting.








  On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:16 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:



No email here 


Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone


- Reply message -
From: "Casey|WISPA" 
To: "memb...@wispa.org" 
Subject: [WISPA Members] Powercode
Date: Thu, May 14, 2015 9:12 AM


I never saw an email. 

Sent from my iPhone

On May 14, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Gino Villarini  
wrote:


  Me either, got the news here!


  I think PC is lacking on PR.  They should have someone dealing 
with this “situation” , No one is here on answering questions …


  From: Darin Steffl 
  Reply-To: "memb...@wispa.org" 
  Date: Thursday, May 14, 2015 at 9:47 AM
  To: "memb...@wispa.org" 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Powercode



  I never received an email either and assuming Daniel didn't.. I 
get all emails. Not in spam either. 


  On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Adair Winter 
 wrote:

It was and Simon had even admitted about I but I know they were 
working on it.

On May 14, 2015 8:20 AM, "Tekwav Lists"  
wrote:

  And not this Powercode customer.  In my opinion, I actually 
think their customer service levels are starting to slip.


  On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Adair Winter 
 wrote:

Not this powercode customer.

On May 14, 2015 8:16 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
 wrote:

  He sent a message announcing it to all Powercode 
customers.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On May 14, 2015 3:08 AM, "Daniel Moore" 
 wrote:

Does anyone know the truth behind Simon and Powercode? 
I have seen emails from AF mailing lists that Simon is no longer with them.  I 
am not a member of AF so do not get those emails, can anyone confirm/deny?  If 
this is true, I wonder how this might affect them… as I understand he 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Mike Hammett]

No, airPrism is useless for co-channel. It's good for adjacent channel. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Jason McKemie"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 8:22:10 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC 

True, airprism is supposed to help with that, not sure how much it actually 
does, however. 

On Friday, May 15, 2015, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




With only a few APs per tower because of co-channel interference... 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@spitwspots.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 7:59:14 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC 

One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*) 

Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps per sub" (*) 

(*) under the right conditions 

Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more important. 
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com 
On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: 




But no sync. 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC 

AC blows doors on ePMP 

Peter Kranz 
www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 
Mobile: 510-207- 
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC 


I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's thoughts 
on these two products? I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC gear doesn't have 
the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near future. 



-Jason 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Josh Reynolds]

Well, since half of your APs would be on the same rx freq :P

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

On 05/15/2015 06:04 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Maybe we should each drop an AF5 in front of the other and see who's 
worse off.  I'll race you to the top of the bottom.


It's true that nobody can ensure perfect packet loss and jitter under 
terrible conditions.  The wifi junk is still junk when conditions are 
perfect. See the rest of the items in the list after jitter and packet 
loss :P




 Can I drop an AF5 in front of your tower? I promise that your 
control over packet loss and jitter will go out the fucking window :P

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com
On 05/15/2015 05:56 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
We will both laugh ourselves to sleep tonight.  Each fully knowing 
that the other is doing it wrong :)


And you have the opinion you can control that, constantly, on 
unlicensed spectrum?


*smirk*
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com
On 05/15/2015 05:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
That's a very good point, regardless of what some customers seem 
to think, mbps really isn't the most important thing...


On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


I've always considered mbps to be among the least important
concerns on PTMP, well below packet loss, jitter, QoS
features, manageability, consistency, and reliability. Which
is why I'm not super keen on *any* of the wifi stuff.  This
seems is like an argument about whether a Pinto is better than
a Fiesta.



One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*)

Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+
Mbps per sub" (*)

(*) under the right conditions

Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more
important.
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com  
On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


But no sync.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter
Kranz
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

AC blows doors on ePMP

*Peter Kranz
*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 
Mobile: 510-207- 
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason
McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what
are other's thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at
5GHz, and I know the AC gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz
bands - hopefully they will in the near future.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Mike Hammett]

I don't consider there to be a significant advantage to PMP over the ePMP for 
residential applications. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 8:41:03 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC 


I've always considered mbps to be among the least important concerns on PTMP, 
well below packet loss, jitter, QoS features, manageability, consistency, and 
reliability. Which is why I'm not super keen on *any* of the wifi stuff. This 
seems is like an argument about whether a Pinto is better than a Fiesta. 
 



One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*) 

Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps per sub" (*) 

(*) under the right conditions 

Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more important. 
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com 
On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: 




But no sync. 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC 

AC blows doors on ePMP 

Peter Kranz 
www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 
Mobile: 510-207- 
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC 


I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's thoughts 
on these two products? I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC gear doesn't have 
the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near future. 



-Jason 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Mike Hammett]

Spoken by someone with apparently a huge investment in PMP? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 9:04:02 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC 


Maybe we should each drop an AF5 in front of the other and see who's worse off. 
I'll race you to the top of the bottom. 

It's true that nobody can ensure perfect packet loss and jitter under terrible 
conditions. The wifi junk is still junk when conditions are perfect. See the 
rest of the items in the list after jitter and packet loss :P 





Can I drop an AF5 in front of your tower? I promise that your control over 
packet loss and jitter will go out the fucking window :P 
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com 
On 05/15/2015 05:56 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: 



We will both laugh ourselves to sleep tonight. Each fully knowing that the 
other is doing it wrong :) 



And you have the opinion you can control that, constantly, on unlicensed 
spectrum? 

*smirk* 
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com 
On 05/15/2015 05:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: 



That's a very good point, regardless of what some customers seem to think, mbps 
really isn't the most important thing... 



On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




I've always considered mbps to be among the least important concerns on PTMP, 
well below packet loss, jitter, QoS features, manageability, consistency, and 
reliability. Which is why I'm not super keen on *any* of the wifi stuff. This 
seems is like an argument about whether a Pinto is better than a Fiesta. 
 





One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*) 

Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps per sub" (*) 

(*) under the right conditions 

Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more important. 
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com 
On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: 




But no sync. 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC 

AC blows doors on ePMP 

Peter Kranz 
www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 
Mobile: 510-207- 
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC 


I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's thoughts 
on these two products? I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC gear doesn't have 
the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near future. 



-Jason 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Mathew Howard]

No, we can't always control that, but if I can at least control it
sometimes, I'll take it.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

>  And you have the opinion you can control that, constantly, on unlicensed
> spectrum?
>
> *smirk*
>
> Josh Reynolds
> CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com
>
> On 05/15/2015 05:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> That's a very good point, regardless of what some customers seem to think,
> mbps really isn't the most important thing...
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>>  I've always considered mbps to be among the least important concerns on
>> PTMP, well below packet loss, jitter, QoS features, manageability,
>> consistency, and reliability.  Which is why I'm not super keen on *any* of
>> the wifi stuff.  This seems is like an argument about whether a Pinto is
>> better than a Fiesta.
>> 
>>
>>   One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*)
>>
>> Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps per sub"
>> (*)
>>
>> (*) under the right conditions
>>
>> Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more important.
>>
>> Josh Reynolds
>> CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com
>>
>> On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>>
>>  But no sync.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>>
>>
>>
>> AC blows doors on ePMP
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Peter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 <510-868-1614%20x100>
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>>
>>
>>
>> I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's
>> thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC
>> gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near
>> future.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!

[Paul McCall]

Azotel still looks pretty good...  maybe not have every feature that PC has, 
but is solid, solid, and their team hasn't wavered for the 3 years we have had 
them

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 12:28 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!

So there goes my migration plan...

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini



> On May 15, 2015, at 11:32 AM, WaveDirect  wrote:
> 
> Well I heard they were gearing up for bigger things.  The reasons for them 
> leaving were private and really don't matter as far as the product is 
> concerned. They both were there for a while so maybe a change in life is good 
> for them both.  Powercode is in a pretty good state at the moment but I just 
> hope they can hire someone SOON.. a ringer who'll give Powercode the same 
> care and consideration that Simon and Jacob gave it.  
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!
> 
> The good thing about it is there wont be any safe major updates for a 
> while so everybody can focus on their summer projects, but with these 
> two gone, there is no way the company vision wont change. With simon 
> there it had become a beautiful usercentric product.
> 
>> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 10:15 AM, WaveDirect  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes the culling has begun...
>> 
>> Not happy.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Gino Villarini" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:28:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!
>> 
>> Say aint so?
>> 
>> From: CBB Fuller > par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > af@afmug.com>>
>> Date: Friday, May 15, 2015 at 10:20 AM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> mailto:af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!
>> 
>> 
>> hmmm, not sure i like what i am hearing
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Josh Luthman
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 8:51 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!
>> 
>> 
>> Wow...
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> 
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Mathew Howard]

I don't know whether there's a significant advantage to PMP over ePMP for
residential applictions (since I've never used PMP450), but knowing what is
possible with ePMP and UBNT, I don't see how PMP could ever generate enough
additional revenue to pay for itself in our market.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:09 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I don't consider there to be a significant advantage to PMP over the ePMP
> for residential applications.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, May 15, 2015 8:41:03 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>
> I've always considered mbps to be among the least important concerns on
> PTMP, well below packet loss, jitter, QoS features, manageability,
> consistency, and reliability.  Which is why I'm not super keen on *any* of
> the wifi stuff.  This seems is like an argument about whether a Pinto is
> better than a Fiesta.
> 
>
>  One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*)
>
> Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps per sub"
> (*)
>
> (*) under the right conditions
>
> Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more important.
>
> Josh Reynolds
> CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com
>
> On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
>  But no sync.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>
>
>
> AC blows doors on ePMP
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>
>
>
> I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's
> thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC
> gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near
> future.
>
>
>
> -Jason
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Powercode

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I dont know, family made me get some icky jim jones vibe. I wonder if Simon
actually went to guyana

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:04 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>  you know, the font used in that email was really prettymade me feel
> sort of "high class..."
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 8:52 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Powercode
>
> Who the hell is Alexander?
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 12:04 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> well, while we're discussing powercode, the biggest / "only" issue we
>> have right now is google calendar intregration with our installers.  last i
>> read on the forum, it was an "outdated api" issue.   is anyone working with
>> powercode on this currently?
>>
>> thanks :)
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Adair Winter 
>> *To:* memb...@wispa.org
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:51 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA Members] Powercode
>>
>> Uh.WTH.
>> On May 15, 2015 11:43 AM, "Adrian Folsom"  wrote:
>>
>>> So now Jacob is gone too, and personally I am now becoming worried.
>>>
>>> For those who did not receive the emails, here they are:
>>>
>>> <<
>>>
>>> On May 4, 2015, at 1:12 PM, Simon Westlake  wrote:
>>>
>>> Adrian,
>>>
>>>
>>> I wanted to let you know that today is my last day at Powercode. In my
>>> absence, please use Jacob as a point of contact - you can reach him at
>>> ja...@powercode.com. I greatly appreciate the opportunity I've had to
>>> work with you in my time at Powercode, and I wish you all the best in the
>>> future. I am confident that I leave you in good hands with the team at
>>> Powercode, and that they will continue to provide you with the same
>>> exceptional service and quality product as I hope you agree you've received
>>> over the past few years.
>>>
>>>
>>> I wish you all the best and I hope our paths cross again in the future!
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> <<
>>>
>>> On May 15, 2015, at 6:05 AM, Jacob Kailing  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>> I am contacting you to inform you that today will be my last day at
>>> Powercode. It has been a pleasure getting to know you during our time
>>> working together and  I wish you continued success in the future. Zach
>>> Curry will be your new point of contact in my absence. Please contact
>>> supp...@powercode.com or z...@powercode.com for support or sales
>>> inquiries.
>>>
>>>
>>>  It was a pleasure getting to know you and building a great
>>> relationship. I wish you the best!
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adrian Folsom, MBA
>>> Director of Sales & Marketing
>>> *Ptera Inc.*
>>> d. 509.464.6941
>>> c. 509.294.0027
>>> ptera.com
>>> facebook.com/PteraInc | twitter.com/Ptera
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Kameron Blomquist <
>>> kame...@sightlinewireless.com> wrote:
>>>
  or here... first i am hearing about it...

 Interesting.




 On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:16 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
 par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

>
> No email here
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Casey|WISPA" 
> To: "memb...@wispa.org" 
> Subject: [WISPA Members] Powercode
> Date: Thu, May 14, 2015 9:12 AM
>
> I never saw an email.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 14, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
>  Me either, got the news here!
>
> I think PC is lacking on PR.  They should have someone dealing with
> this “situation” , No one is here on answering questions …
>
> From: Darin Steffl 
> Reply-To: "memb...@wispa.org" 
> Date: Thursday, May 14, 2015 at 9:47 AM
> To: "memb...@wispa.org " 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Powercode
>
>  I never received an email either and assuming Daniel didn't.. I get
> all emails. Not in spam either.
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:22 AM, Adair Winter <
> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>
>> It was and Simon had even admitted about I but I know they were
>> working on it.
>>  On May 14, 2015 8:20 AM, "Tekwav Lists" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And not this Powercode customer.  In my opinion, I actually think
>>> their customer service levels are starting to slip.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Adair Winter <
>>> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>>>
 Not this powercode customer.
  On May 14, 2015 8:16 AM, "Josh Luthman" <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> He sent a message announcing it to all Powercode customers.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  On May 14, 2015 3:08 AM, "Daniel Moore" 
> wrote:
>
>>  Does anyone know the truth behind Simon and Powercode? I have
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Jeremy]

I have 22 towers with over a hundred UBNT APs in a valley 11 miles wide,
built over the top of a synced Canopy network.  I take about 10 customers a
week off of their 450 platform and we are constantly told that the
difference is night and day better on our network.  Careful spectrum
management and proper AP loading wins over sync every time.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> No, we can't always control that, but if I can at least control it
> sometimes, I'll take it.
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>>  And you have the opinion you can control that, constantly, on unlicensed
>> spectrum?
>>
>> *smirk*
>>
>> Josh Reynolds
>> CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com
>>
>> On 05/15/2015 05:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>
>> That's a very good point, regardless of what some customers seem to
>> think, mbps really isn't the most important thing...
>>
>> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  I've always considered mbps to be among the least important concerns
>>> on PTMP, well below packet loss, jitter, QoS features, manageability,
>>> consistency, and reliability.  Which is why I'm not super keen on *any* of
>>> the wifi stuff.  This seems is like an argument about whether a Pinto is
>>> better than a Fiesta.
>>> 
>>>
>>>   One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*)
>>>
>>> Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps per sub"
>>> (*)
>>>
>>> (*) under the right conditions
>>>
>>> Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more important.
>>>
>>> Josh Reynolds
>>> CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com
>>>
>>> On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>>>
>>>  But no sync.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> AC blows doors on ePMP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Peter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 <510-868-1614%20x100>
>>> Mobile: 510-207-
>>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's
>>> thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC
>>> gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near
>>> future.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Jason
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] Fwd: The Future of Powercode

[Josh Luthman]

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
-- Forwarded message --
From: "Powercode" 
Date: May 15, 2015 9:47 PM
Subject: The Future of Powercode
To: "Josh Luthman" 
Cc:


​​

The Future of Powercode

We at Powercode are committed to ensuring that Powercode continues to
develop as a world-class WISP CRM  product. We are focused on hiring and
maintaining the talent necessary to develop beneficial improvements to our
services and providing our customers with excellent client support, both
pre and post sale. To that end, we are increasing our management,
development and support teams. We are also refining our feature request and
release processes to ensure that development, testing and release timelines
are met. In the weeks to follow, we will be rolling out our road map for
the future to all our customers, clearly highlighting our upcoming feature
developments and additions. Thank you for all of your support over the
years.

​


Sincerely,
The Powercode Family

​​


Powercode
The Complete ISP Solution
300 Industrial Drive
Random Lake, WI 53075

--
Alexander
*Power**code* - The smart choice in ISP billing and OSS
powercode.com

P: 920-351-1010

E:
supp...@powercode.com

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Adam Moffett]

I'd suggest with careful spectrum management, proper loading, AND better 
equipment you'd still be better off.


I have 22 towers with over a hundred UBNT APs in a valley 11 miles 
wide, built over the top of a synced Canopy network.  I take about 10 
customers a week off of their 450 platform and we are constantly told 
that the difference is night and day better on our network.  Careful 
spectrum management and proper AP loading wins over sync every time.


On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Mathew Howard > wrote:


No, we can't always control that, but if I can at least control it
sometimes, I'll take it.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Josh Reynolds
mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote:

And you have the opinion you can control that, constantly, on
unlicensed spectrum?

*smirk*

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com  

On 05/15/2015 05:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

That's a very good point, regardless of what some customers
seem to think, mbps really isn't the most important thing...

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I've always considered mbps to be among the least
important concerns on PTMP, well below packet loss,
jitter, QoS features, manageability, consistency, and
reliability. Which is why I'm not super keen on *any* of
the wifi stuff. This seems is like an argument about
whether a Pinto is better than a Fiesta.



One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per
sub" (*)

Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get
200+ Mbps per sub" (*)

(*) under the right conditions

Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is
more important.
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com  
On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


But no sync.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Peter Kranz
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

AC blows doors on ePMP

*Peter Kranz
*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 
Mobile: 510-207- 
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but
what are other's thoughts on these two products?  I'm
looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC gear doesn't have
the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near
future.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Jeremy]

Perhaps, but at 1000x the cost.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:21 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

>  I'd suggest with careful spectrum management, proper loading, AND better
> equipment you'd still be better off.
>
>  I have 22 towers with over a hundred UBNT APs in a valley 11 miles wide,
> built over the top of a synced Canopy network.  I take about 10 customers a
> week off of their 450 platform and we are constantly told that the
> difference is night and day better on our network.  Careful spectrum
> management and proper AP loading wins over sync every time.
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> No, we can't always control that, but if I can at least control it
>> sometimes, I'll take it.
>>
>> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  And you have the opinion you can control that, constantly, on
>>> unlicensed spectrum?
>>>
>>> *smirk*
>>>
>>> Josh Reynolds
>>> CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com
>>>
>>>  On 05/15/2015 05:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>>
>>> That's a very good point, regardless of what some customers seem to
>>> think, mbps really isn't the most important thing...
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
  I've always considered mbps to be among the least important concerns
 on PTMP, well below packet loss, jitter, QoS features, manageability,
 consistency, and reliability.  Which is why I'm not super keen on *any* of
 the wifi stuff.  This seems is like an argument about whether a Pinto is
 better than a Fiesta.
 

   One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*)

 Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps per sub"
 (*)

 (*) under the right conditions

 Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more important.

 Josh Reynolds
 CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com

 On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

  But no sync.



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
 Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
 *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC



 AC blows doors on ePMP




 *Peter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com 
 Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 <510-868-1614%20x100>
 Mobile: 510-207-
 pkr...@unwiredltd.com



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
 Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
 *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC



 I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's
 thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC
 gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near
 future.



 -Jason




>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Adam Moffett]

Or put another way...if he's using better equipment but doesn't know how 
to use it, then you'll still win.


I have 22 towers with over a hundred UBNT APs in a valley 11 miles 
wide, built over the top of a synced Canopy network.  I take about 10 
customers a week off of their 450 platform and we are constantly told 
that the difference is night and day better on our network.  Careful 
spectrum management and proper AP loading wins over sync every time.


On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Mathew Howard > wrote:


No, we can't always control that, but if I can at least control it
sometimes, I'll take it.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Josh Reynolds
mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote:

And you have the opinion you can control that, constantly, on
unlicensed spectrum?

*smirk*

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com  

On 05/15/2015 05:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

That's a very good point, regardless of what some customers
seem to think, mbps really isn't the most important thing...

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I've always considered mbps to be among the least
important concerns on PTMP, well below packet loss,
jitter, QoS features, manageability, consistency, and
reliability. Which is why I'm not super keen on *any* of
the wifi stuff. This seems is like an argument about
whether a Pinto is better than a Fiesta.



One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per
sub" (*)

Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get
200+ Mbps per sub" (*)

(*) under the right conditions

Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is
more important.
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com  
On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


But no sync.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Peter Kranz
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

AC blows doors on ePMP

*Peter Kranz
*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 
Mobile: 510-207- 
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but
what are other's thoughts on these two products?  I'm
looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC gear doesn't have
the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near
future.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Adam Moffett]

Hey...now you're picking on Telrad :)
I thought this was about Canopy.


Perhaps, but at 1000x the cost.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:21 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


I'd suggest with careful spectrum management, proper loading, AND
better equipment you'd still be better off.


I have 22 towers with over a hundred UBNT APs in a valley 11
miles wide, built over the top of a synced Canopy network.  I
take about 10 customers a week off of their 450 platform and we
are constantly told that the difference is night and day better
on our network.  Careful spectrum management and proper AP
loading wins over sync every time.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Mathew Howard
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

No, we can't always control that, but if I can at least
control it sometimes, I'll take it.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Josh Reynolds
mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote:

And you have the opinion you can control that,
constantly, on unlicensed spectrum?

*smirk*

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com  

On 05/15/2015 05:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

That's a very good point, regardless of what some
customers seem to think, mbps really isn't the most
important thing...

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I've always considered mbps to be among the least
important concerns on PTMP, well below packet loss,
jitter, QoS features, manageability, consistency,
and reliability. Which is why I'm not super keen on
*any* of the wifi stuff.  This seems is like an
argument about whether a Pinto is better than a Fiesta.



One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60
Mbps per sub" (*)

Another person could say "I can't sync but I can
get 200+ Mbps per sub" (*)

(*) under the right conditions

Your market and deployment strats will dictate
which is more important.
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com  
On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


But no sync.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf
Of *Peter Kranz
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

AC blows doors on ePMP

*Peter Kranz
*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 
Mobile: 510-207- 
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf
Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison,
but what are other's thoughts on these two
products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC
gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully
they will in the near future.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Mathew Howard]

Which is where ePMP comes in. you get reasonable cost and sync... which
makes good spectrum management a lot easier.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> Perhaps, but at 1000x the cost.
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:21 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>>  I'd suggest with careful spectrum management, proper loading, AND
>> better equipment you'd still be better off.
>>
>>  I have 22 towers with over a hundred UBNT APs in a valley 11 miles
>> wide, built over the top of a synced Canopy network.  I take about 10
>> customers a week off of their 450 platform and we are constantly told that
>> the difference is night and day better on our network.  Careful spectrum
>> management and proper AP loading wins over sync every time.
>>
>> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No, we can't always control that, but if I can at least control it
>>> sometimes, I'll take it.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
  And you have the opinion you can control that, constantly, on
 unlicensed spectrum?

 *smirk*

 Josh Reynolds
 CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com

  On 05/15/2015 05:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

 That's a very good point, regardless of what some customers seem to
 think, mbps really isn't the most important thing...

 On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

>  I've always considered mbps to be among the least important concerns
> on PTMP, well below packet loss, jitter, QoS features, manageability,
> consistency, and reliability.  Which is why I'm not super keen on *any* of
> the wifi stuff.  This seems is like an argument about whether a Pinto is
> better than a Fiesta.
> 
>
>   One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*)
>
> Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps per
> sub" (*)
>
> (*) under the right conditions
>
> Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more important.
>
> Josh Reynolds
> CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com
>
> On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
>  But no sync.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>
>
>
> AC blows doors on ePMP
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 <510-868-1614%20x100>
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>
>
>
> I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's
> thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC
> gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near
> future.
>
>
>
> -Jason
>
>
>
>


>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Adam Moffett]

I'm an employee as opposed to an owner.  In that sense I have $0 
invested in anything.
So it's spoken by someone who formerly worked with PMP100 and PMP450 and 
wishes the equipment he was working with today did like half the things 
that Canopy did.



Spoken by someone with apparently a huge investment in PMP?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"Adam Moffett" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, May 15, 2015 9:04:02 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

Maybe we should each drop an AF5 in front of the other and see who's 
worse off.  I'll race you to the top of the bottom.


It's true that nobody can ensure perfect packet loss and jitter under 
terrible conditions.  The wifi junk is still junk when conditions are 
perfect. See the rest of the items in the list after jitter and packet 
loss :P




 Can I drop an AF5 in front of your tower? I promise that your
control over packet loss and jitter will go out the fucking window :P

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

On 05/15/2015 05:56 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

We will both laugh ourselves to sleep tonight.  Each fully
knowing that the other is doing it wrong :)

And you have the opinion you can control that, constantly,
on unlicensed spectrum?

*smirk*

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

On 05/15/2015 05:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

That's a very good point, regardless of what some
customers seem to think, mbps really isn't the most
important thing...

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I've always considered mbps to be among the least
important concerns on PTMP, well below packet
loss, jitter, QoS features, manageability,
consistency, and reliability.  Which is why I'm
not super keen on *any* of the wifi stuff.  This
seems is like an argument about whether a Pinto is
better than a Fiesta.


One could say "I can sync but I can only get
60 Mbps per sub" (*)

Another person could say "I can't sync but I
can get 200+ Mbps per sub" (*)

(*) under the right conditions

Your market and deployment strats will dictate
which is more important.

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com  

On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

But no sync.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
*On Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

AC blows doors on ePMP

*Peter Kranz
*www.UnwiredLtd.com

Desk: 510-868-1614 x100

Mobile: 510-207- 
pkr...@unwiredltd.com


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
*On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

I know this isn't an apples to apples
comparison, but what are other's thoughts
on these two products? I'm looking at
5GHz, and I know the AC gear doesn't have
the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will
in the near future.

-Jason

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Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Azotel had alot of financials features

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Azotel still looks pretty good...  maybe not have every feature that PC
> has, but is solid, solid, and their team hasn't wavered for the 3 years we
> have had them
>
> Paul
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 12:28 PM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!
>
> So there goes my migration plan...
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> @gvillarini
>
>
>
> > On May 15, 2015, at 11:32 AM, WaveDirect  wrote:
> >
> > Well I heard they were gearing up for bigger things.  The reasons for
> them leaving were private and really don't matter as far as the product is
> concerned. They both were there for a while so maybe a change in life is
> good for them both.  Powercode is in a pretty good state at the moment but
> I just hope they can hire someone SOON.. a ringer who'll give Powercode the
> same care and consideration that Simon and Jacob gave it.
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!
> >
> > The good thing about it is there wont be any safe major updates for a
> > while so everybody can focus on their summer projects, but with these
> > two gone, there is no way the company vision wont change. With simon
> > there it had become a beautiful usercentric product.
> >
> >> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 10:15 AM, WaveDirect 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes the culling has begun...
> >>
> >> Not happy.
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Gino Villarini" 
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:28:10 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!
> >>
> >> Say aint so?
> >>
> >> From: CBB Fuller  >> par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
> >> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com"  >> af@afmug.com>>
> >> Date: Friday, May 15, 2015 at 10:20 AM
> >> To: "af@afmug.com"
> >> mailto:af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!
> >>
> >>
> >> hmmm, not sure i like what i am hearing
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: Josh Luthman
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 8:51 AM
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!
> >>
> >>
> >> Wow...
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> > team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Jason McKemie]

Yeah, I overlooked the co-channel part...

On Friday, May 15, 2015, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> No, airPrism is useless for co-channel. It's good for adjacent channel.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Jason McKemie"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Friday, May 15, 2015 8:22:10 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>
> True, airprism is supposed to help with that, not sure how much it
> actually does, however.
>
> On Friday, May 15, 2015, Mike Hammett  > wrote:
>
>> With only a few APs per tower because of co-channel interference...
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, May 15, 2015 7:59:14 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>>
>> One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*)
>>
>> Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps per sub"
>> (*)
>>
>> (*) under the right conditions
>>
>> Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more important.
>>
>> Josh Reynolds
>> CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com
>>
>> On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>>
>>  But no sync.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>>
>>
>>
>> AC blows doors on ePMP
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Peter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>>
>>
>>
>> I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's
>> thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC
>> gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near
>> future.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Hi Jeremy, 
A bit off topic, but can you ssh into a hand full of your Rocket M's, and do a 
dmesg and see if you get something like this... 

ath_bstuck_tasklet: stuck beacon; resetting (bmiss count 9) 

Regards 

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Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -

> From: "Jeremy" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:17:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

> I have 22 towers with over a hundred UBNT APs in a valley 11 miles wide,
> built over the top of a synced Canopy network. I take about 10 customers a
> week off of their 450 platform and we are constantly told that the
> difference is night and day better on our network. Careful spectrum
> management and proper AP loading wins over sync every time.

> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com >
> wrote:

> > No, we can't always control that, but if I can at least control it
> > sometimes,
> > I'll take it.
> 

> > On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@spitwspots.com >
> > wrote:
> 

> > > And you have the opinion you can control that, constantly, on unlicensed
> > > spectrum?
> > 
> 

> > > *smirk*
> > 
> 
> > > Josh Reynolds
> > 
> 
> > > CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com
> > 
> 
> > > On 05/15/2015 05:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
> > 
> 

> > > > That's a very good point, regardless of what some customers seem to
> > > > think,
> > > > mbps really isn't the most important thing...
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com >
> > > > wrote:
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > I've always considered mbps to be among the least important concerns
> > > > > on
> > > > > PTMP,
> > > > > well below packet loss, jitter, QoS features, manageability,
> > > > > consistency,
> > > > > and reliability. Which is why I'm not super keen on *any* of the wifi
> > > > > stuff.
> > > > > This seems is like an argument about whether a Pinto is better than a
> > > > > Fiesta.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*)
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps per
> > > > > > sub"
> > > > > > (*)
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > (*) under the right conditions
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more
> > > > > > important.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > Josh Reynolds
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > But no sync.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > To: af@afmug.com
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > AC blows doors on ePMP
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > Peter Kranz
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > www.UnwiredLtd.com
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > Mobile: 510-207-
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > pkr...@unwiredltd.com
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jason
> > > > > > > McKemie
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > To: af@afmug.com
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are
> > > > > > > other's
> > > > > > > thoughts on these two products? I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > AC
> > > > > > > gear
> > > > > > > doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the
> > > > > > > near
> > > > > > > future.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > -Jason
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Ken Hohhof]

I’m waiting for airHoleTM with patent pending wormhole technology.

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

Yeah, I overlooked the co-channel part...

On Friday, May 15, 2015, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  No, airPrism is useless for co-channel. It's good for adjacent channel.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: "Jason McKemie" 

  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
  Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 8:22:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

  True, airprism is supposed to help with that, not sure how much it actually 
does, however.

  On Friday, May 15, 2015, Mike Hammett 
 wrote:

With only a few APs per tower because of co-channel interference...




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 7:59:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*)

Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps per sub" (*)

(*) under the right conditions

Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more important.

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.comOn 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

  But no sync.



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz
  Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC



  AC blows doors on ePMP



  Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
  Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
  Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
  Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC



  I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are other's 
thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC gear 
doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in the near future.



  -Jason

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Am I the only one reading this discussion and shaking my head. 

The comparison of these two is absurd and ridiculous... it reminds me of the 
discussion of this exact nature when Ubiquiti M products were first available 
in the market place and folks had conversation very similar Ubiquiti M 
(802.11n) vs Canopy (802.11 b/g) products ? 

Ubiquiti AC PTMP is one of the first 802.11ac PTMP system in the market 
place... A better comparison would be with PTMP systems of the same class... 
(e.g. Mimosa PTMP, expected later this year, and I would not be surprised at 
all if Cambium also has a 802.11ac PTMP product in their pipeline.) Didn't 
Trango also announce / have a shipping PTMP system based on 802.11ac ? Anyone 
has info on that ? 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -

> From: "Mathew Howard" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:23:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

> Which is where ePMP comes in. you get reasonable cost and sync... which makes
> good spectrum management a lot easier.

> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Jeremy < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > wrote:

> > Perhaps, but at 1000x the cost.
> 

> > On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:21 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com >
> > wrote:
> 

> > > I'd suggest with careful spectrum management, proper loading, AND better
> > > equipment you'd still be better off.
> > 
> 

> > > > I have 22 towers with over a hundred UBNT APs in a valley 11 miles
> > > > wide,
> > > > built over the top of a synced Canopy network. I take about 10
> > > > customers
> > > > a
> > > > week off of their 450 platform and we are constantly told that the
> > > > difference is night and day better on our network. Careful spectrum
> > > > management and proper AP loading wins over sync every time.
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com >
> > > > wrote:
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > No, we can't always control that, but if I can at least control it
> > > > > sometimes,
> > > > > I'll take it.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@spitwspots.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > And you have the opinion you can control that, constantly, on
> > > > > > unlicensed
> > > > > > spectrum?
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > *smirk*
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > Josh Reynolds
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > On 05/15/2015 05:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > That's a very good point, regardless of what some customers seem
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > think,
> > > > > > > mbps really isn't the most important thing...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Adam Moffett <
> > > > > > > dmmoff...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > > I've always considered mbps to be among the least important
> > > > > > > > concerns
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > PTMP,
> > > > > > > > well below packet loss, jitter, QoS features, manageability,
> > > > > > > > consistency,
> > > > > > > > and reliability. Which is why I'm not super keen on *any* of
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > wifi
> > > > > > > > stuff.
> > > > > > > > This seems is like an argument about whether a Pinto is better
> > > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > Fiesta.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > > > One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub"
> > > > > > > > > (*)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > > > Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+
> > > > > > > > > Mbps
> > > > > > > > > per
> > > > > > > > > sub"
> > > > > > > > > (*)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > > > (*) under the right conditions
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

> > > > > > > > > Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more
> > > > > > > > > important.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > Josh Reynolds
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> > > > > > > > > On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > >

Re: [AFMUG] google domains?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

apparently you can do a ton of dynamic entries too, thats pretty cool

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:50 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> any issues with using google domains to register and manage a domain name?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Josh Reynolds]

Proxim.

Deliberant also just released one.

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

On 05/15/2015 08:18 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Am I the only one reading this discussion and shaking my head.

The comparison of these two is absurd and ridiculous... it reminds me 
of the discussion of this exact nature when Ubiquiti M products were 
first available in the market place and folks had conversation very 
similar Ubiquiti M (802.11n) vs Canopy (802.11 b/g) products ?


Ubiquiti AC PTMP is one of the first 802.11ac PTMP system in the 
market place... A better comparison would be with PTMP systems of the 
same class... (e.g. Mimosa PTMP, expected later this year, and I would 
not be surprised at all if Cambium also has a 802.11ac PTMP product in 
their pipeline.) Didn't Trango also announce / have a shipping 
PTMP system based on 802.11ac ?  Anyone has info on that ?


:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *"Mathew Howard" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Friday, May 15, 2015 10:23:58 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

Which is where ePMP comes in. you get reasonable cost and sync...
which makes good spectrum management a lot easier.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Jeremy mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Perhaps, but at 1000x the cost.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:21 PM, Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'd suggest with careful spectrum management, proper
loading, AND better equipment you'd still be better off.

I have 22 towers with over a hundred UBNT APs in a
valley 11 miles wide, built over the top of a synced
Canopy network.  I take about 10 customers a week off
of their 450 platform and we are constantly told that
the difference is night and day better on our
network.  Careful spectrum management and proper AP
loading wins over sync every time.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Mathew Howard
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

No, we can't always control that, but if I can at
least control it sometimes, I'll take it.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Josh Reynolds
mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>>
wrote:

And you have the opinion you can control that,
constantly, on unlicensed spectrum?

*smirk*

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com  

On 05/15/2015 05:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

That's a very good point, regardless of
what some customers seem to think, mbps
really isn't the most important thing...

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Adam
Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I've always considered mbps to be
among the least important concerns on
PTMP, well below packet loss, jitter,
QoS features, manageability,
consistency, and reliability. Which is
why I'm not super keen on *any* of the
wifi stuff.  This seems is like an
argument about whether a Pinto is
better than a Fiesta.


One could say "I can sync but I
can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*)

Another person could say "I can't
sync but I can get 200+ Mbps per
sub" (*)

(*) under the right conditions

Your market and deployment strats
will dictate which is more important.

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com  


On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM,
SmarterBroadband wrote:

But no sync.

*From:*Af
[mailto:af-bou

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Stefan Englhardt]

I also would shake had when ubnt did gps with their .ac. With a full blown 
tower they do not get qam256 and they can't reuse spectrum. So you end up with 
half the tower capacity. With free spectrum the .ac will show it's performance. 
I would like to get mimosa ptmp into my hands. It is a copy of my wishlist. 
Only thing missing is an ether poe out port to daisy chain sectors.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Faisal Imtiaz  
Datum: 16.05.2015  06:18  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Josh Reynolds]

There are some notable differences that proxim and deliberant and 
mikrotik for that matter don't have:


[1] TDMA offloaded onto a co-processor
[2] AirPrism
[3] Realtime Spectrum Analysis
[4] Very deep pockets for R&D

What will be interesting to see is how well mimosa stacks up without the 
filtering and offloading, although they do have a possible edge in 
frequency statistics collection/AI and deep chipset/vendor 
relationship... it will be interesting to see how AirCRM turns out 
though, and if it ends up having comparable features.


What Mimosa doesn't have is a huge existing worldwide user base (this 
can be a blessing, and a curse).


All-in-all, the next 18 months will be very interesting. I do believe a 
few players have yet to enter the market this year, and plan to ;)


Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

On 05/15/2015 08:18 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Am I the only one reading this discussion and shaking my head.

The comparison of these two is absurd and ridiculous... it reminds me 
of the discussion of this exact nature when Ubiquiti M products were 
first available in the market place and folks had conversation very 
similar Ubiquiti M (802.11n) vs Canopy (802.11 b/g) products ?


Ubiquiti AC PTMP is one of the first 802.11ac PTMP system in the 
market place... A better comparison would be with PTMP systems of the 
same class... (e.g. Mimosa PTMP, expected later this year, and I would 
not be surprised at all if Cambium also has a 802.11ac PTMP product in 
their pipeline.) Didn't Trango also announce / have a shipping 
PTMP system based on 802.11ac ?  Anyone has info on that ?


:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *"Mathew Howard" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Friday, May 15, 2015 10:23:58 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

Which is where ePMP comes in. you get reasonable cost and sync...
which makes good spectrum management a lot easier.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Jeremy mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Perhaps, but at 1000x the cost.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:21 PM, Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'd suggest with careful spectrum management, proper
loading, AND better equipment you'd still be better off.

I have 22 towers with over a hundred UBNT APs in a
valley 11 miles wide, built over the top of a synced
Canopy network.  I take about 10 customers a week off
of their 450 platform and we are constantly told that
the difference is night and day better on our
network.  Careful spectrum management and proper AP
loading wins over sync every time.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Mathew Howard
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

No, we can't always control that, but if I can at
least control it sometimes, I'll take it.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Josh Reynolds
mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>>
wrote:

And you have the opinion you can control that,
constantly, on unlicensed spectrum?

*smirk*

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com  

On 05/15/2015 05:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

That's a very good point, regardless of
what some customers seem to think, mbps
really isn't the most important thing...

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Adam
Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I've always considered mbps to be
among the least important concerns on
PTMP, well below packet loss, jitter,
QoS features, manageability,
consistency, and reliability. Which is
why I'm not super keen on *any* of the
wifi stuff.  This seems is like an
argument about whether a Pinto is
better than a Fiesta.


One could say "I can sync but I
can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*)

Another person could say "I can't
sync but I 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Bill Prince]

When it costs $1200/year per antenna on a tower, I would argue that the 
cost of the equipment is not the issue.


bp


On 5/15/2015 7:22 PM, Jeremy wrote:

Perhaps, but at 1000x the cost.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:21 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


I'd suggest with careful spectrum management, proper loading, AND
better equipment you'd still be better off.


I have 22 towers with over a hundred UBNT APs in a valley 11
miles wide, built over the top of a synced Canopy network.  I
take about 10 customers a week off of their 450 platform and we
are constantly told that the difference is night and day better
on our network.  Careful spectrum management and proper AP
loading wins over sync every time.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Mathew Howard
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

No, we can't always control that, but if I can at least
control it sometimes, I'll take it.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Josh Reynolds
mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>> wrote:

And you have the opinion you can control that,
constantly, on unlicensed spectrum?

*smirk*

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com  

On 05/15/2015 05:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

That's a very good point, regardless of what some
customers seem to think, mbps really isn't the most
important thing...

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I've always considered mbps to be among the least
important concerns on PTMP, well below packet loss,
jitter, QoS features, manageability, consistency,
and reliability. Which is why I'm not super keen on
*any* of the wifi stuff.  This seems is like an
argument about whether a Pinto is better than a Fiesta.



One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60
Mbps per sub" (*)

Another person could say "I can't sync but I can
get 200+ Mbps per sub" (*)

(*) under the right conditions

Your market and deployment strats will dictate
which is more important.
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com  
On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


But no sync.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf
Of *Peter Kranz
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

AC blows doors on ePMP

*Peter Kranz
*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 
Mobile: 510-207- 
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf
Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison,
but what are other's thoughts on these two
products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know the AC
gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully
they will in the near future.

-Jason

[AFMUG] GPS across towers/subnet?

[Cameron Camp]

On the epmp GPS AP how many other radios can use its GPS for sync, and would 
that just be on the same tower, or across more other nodes on the same subnet 
or what’s the limitation?

Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Stefan Englhardt]

We use a lot of mikrotik and suffer from their unwilling to invest in wireless 
development. They make their .ac cards barely working but they don't perform as 
nv2 does not work well. It is boring to get calls from customers with speed 
test showing 6mbit while connected to a lightly used .ac sector with good 
signal. They should have deep pockets for R&D but they don't invest.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Josh Reynolds  
Datum: 16.05.2015  06:42  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC 


There are some notable differences that proxim and deliberant and
mikrotik for that matter don't have:



[1] TDMA offloaded onto a co-processor

[2] AirPrism

[3] Realtime Spectrum Analysis

[4] Very deep pockets for R&D



What will be interesting to see is how well mimosa stacks up without
the filtering and offloading, although they do have a possible edge
in frequency statistics collection/AI and deep chipset/vendor
relationship... it will be interesting to see how AirCRM turns out
though, and if it ends up having comparable features.



What Mimosa doesn't have is a huge existing worldwide user base
(this can be a blessing, and a curse).



All-in-all, the next 18 months will be very interesting. I do
believe a few players have yet to enter the market this year, and
plan to ;)

Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com
On 05/15/2015 08:18 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
  wrote:



  
Am I the only one reading this discussion and shaking my
  head.



The comparison of these two is absurd and ridiculous... it
  reminds me of the discussion of this exact nature when
  Ubiquiti M products were first available in the market place
  and folks had conversation very similar Ubiquiti M (802.11n)
  vs Canopy (802.11 b/g) products ?



Ubiquiti AC PTMP is one of the first 802.11ac PTMP system
  in the market place... A better comparison would be with PTMP
  systems of the same class... (e.g. Mimosa PTMP, expected later
  this year, and I would not be surprised at all if Cambium also
  has a 802.11ac PTMP product in their pipeline.) Didn't
  Trango also announce / have a shipping PTMP system based on
  802.11ac ?  Anyone has info on that ?



:)



Faisal Imtiaz

  Snappy Internet & Telecom

  7266 SW 48 Street

  Miami, FL 33155

  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  

  
  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
  supp...@snappytelecom.net 






From: "Mathew
  Howard" 

  To: "af" 

  Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:23:58 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

  

  
  Which is where ePMP comes in. you get
reasonable cost and sync... which makes good spectrum
management a lot easier.

  
  

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:22 PM,
  Jeremy 
  wrote:

  
Perhaps, but at 1000x the cost.

  


  On Fri, May 15, 2015 at
8:21 PM, Adam Moffett 
wrote:


  
I'd suggest with careful spectrum
  management, proper loading, AND better
  equipment you'd still be better off.

  



  I have 22 towers with over
a hundred UBNT APs in a valley 11 miles
wide, built over the top of a synced
Canopy network.  I take about 10
customers a week off of their 450
platform and we are constantly told that
the difference is night and day better
on our network.  Careful spectrum
management and proper AP loading wins
over sync every time.
  

On Fri,
May 15, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Mathew
Howard 
wrote:

  
  

  
No, we can't
  always control th

Re: [AFMUG] GPS across towers/subnet?

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)]

It's not ethernet/network based. And ePMP is not Canopy. There is no 
sync output/sharing from the radio(s). The AP just receives the sync 
pulse from its on-board GPS or from a power interrupted source like a 
CMM, CTM, SyncInjector, etc.


On 5/15/2015 11:54 PM, Cameron Camp wrote:

On the epmp GPS AP how many other radios can use its GPS for sync, and would 
that just be on the same tower, or across more other nodes on the same subnet 
or what’s the limitation?

Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] GPS across towers/subnet?

[Stefan Englhardt]

The epmp AP has a built in gps receiver. You just install a small puck antenna.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Cameron Camp  
Datum: 16.05.2015  06:54  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: [AFMUG] GPS across towers/subnet? 

On the epmp GPS AP how many other radios can use its GPS for sync, and would 
that just be on the same tower, or across more other nodes on the same subnet 
or what’s the limitation?

Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC

[Jason McKemie]

They're the latest products from both companies is the only reason I
offered up the comparison.

On Friday, May 15, 2015, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> Am I the only one reading this discussion and shaking my head.
>
> The comparison of these two is absurd and ridiculous... it reminds me of
> the discussion of this exact nature when Ubiquiti M products were first
> available in the market place and folks had conversation very similar
> Ubiquiti M (802.11n) vs Canopy (802.11 b/g) products ?
>
> Ubiquiti AC PTMP is one of the first 802.11ac PTMP system in the market
> place... A better comparison would be with PTMP systems of the same
> class... (e.g. Mimosa PTMP, expected later this year, and I would not be
> surprised at all if Cambium also has a 802.11ac PTMP product in their
> pipeline.) Didn't Trango also announce / have a shipping PTMP system
> based on 802.11ac ?  Anyone has info on that ?
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Mathew Howard"  >
> *To: *"af" >
> *Sent: *Friday, May 15, 2015 10:23:58 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>
> Which is where ePMP comes in. you get reasonable cost and sync... which
> makes good spectrum management a lot easier.
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Jeremy  > wrote:
>
>> Perhaps, but at 1000x the cost.
>>
>> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:21 PM, Adam Moffett > > wrote:
>>
>>> I'd suggest with careful spectrum management, proper loading, AND better
>>> equipment you'd still be better off.
>>>
>>> I have 22 towers with over a hundred UBNT APs in a valley 11 miles wide,
>>> built over the top of a synced Canopy network.  I take about 10 customers a
>>> week off of their 450 platform and we are constantly told that the
>>> difference is night and day better on our network.  Careful spectrum
>>> management and proper AP loading wins over sync every time.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Mathew Howard >> > wrote:
>>>
 No, we can't always control that, but if I can at least control it
 sometimes, I'll take it.

 On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Josh Reynolds >>> > wrote:

> And you have the opinion you can control that, constantly, on
> unlicensed spectrum?
>
> *smirk*
>
> Josh Reynolds
> CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com
>
> On 05/15/2015 05:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> That's a very good point, regardless of what some customers seem to
> think, mbps really isn't the most important thing...
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Adam Moffett  > wrote:
>
>> I've always considered mbps to be among the least important concerns
>> on PTMP, well below packet loss, jitter, QoS features, manageability,
>> consistency, and reliability.  Which is why I'm not super keen on *any* 
>> of
>> the wifi stuff.  This seems is like an argument about whether a Pinto is
>> better than a Fiesta.
>> 
>>
>> One could say "I can sync but I can only get 60 Mbps per sub" (*)
>>
>> Another person could say "I can't sync but I can get 200+ Mbps per
>> sub" (*)
>>
>> (*) under the right conditions
>>
>> Your market and deployment strats will dictate which is more
>> important.
>>
>> Josh Reynolds
>> CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com
>>
>> On 05/15/2015 04:56 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>>
>> But no sync.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] *On Behalf
>> Of *Peter Kranz
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 3:12 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>>
>>
>>
>> AC blows doors on ePMP
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Peter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] *On Behalf
>> Of *Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 11:21 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] ePMP vs Ubiquiti AC
>>
>>
>>
>> I know this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but what are
>> other's thoughts on these two products?  I'm looking at 5GHz, and I know
>> the AC gear doesn't have the lower 5GHz bands - hopefully they will in 
>> the
>> near future.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP non Synced working good as AP

[Gino Villarini]

You can do the epmp ptp radio, IT has gps and limited to 10 subs

Gino A. Villarini
@gvillarini



On May 15, 2015, at 2:37 AM, Stefan Englhardt 
mailto:s...@genias.net>> wrote:

I’ve some small separated installations with a small amount of customers where 
I do not need GPS Sync.
So I want to install the ePMP non Synced connectorized with an UBNT Dualpol 
Omni in flexible mode.
It is cheaper and can be powered by passive poe. Just tested with a RB260GSP 
and a cable which crossed
power lines.

As I understand the non synced version has a slower cpu. Is it fast enough to 
deliver 100Mbit aggregated
on a 40MHz Channel to 10-15 customers? Customers are within half a mile.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium question

[Jaime Solorza]

Not sure why they are not using Dragonwave.   I dont know too much about
techs skills as far as path engineering but owner is not technical but good
at getting business.  I will share the results once I know.

Jaime Solorza
On May 14, 2015 8:55 PM, "Craig House"  wrote:

> I have a 5ghz EPMP link on force dishes at 4 miles at -56 and full MCS15
> that gets 66mb each way if that helps
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 14, 2015, at 21:41, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> Depends what they're doing with the link... it could just be that they
> couldn't justify the cost of a dragonwave in this particular case...a
> reseller not knowing how to calculate the path would be a bit concerning
> though.
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:31 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> thats concerning, a dragonwave reseller not using their own product, and
>> not knowing how to calculate path with vendor tools
>>
>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If everything is perfect, I would expect they'll do pretty close to 100
>>> meg... Cambium claims 220 aggregate, and I would think they should do full
>>> modulation with 30db dishes and LOS, but I'm far too lazy to try to
>>> actually calculate it at the moment.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I was going to do that after my beer time.  I have link planner in
 office desktop. .might need updates ..Skukra

 Jaime Solorza
 On May 14, 2015 6:06 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
 wrote:

> Hi Jaime,
> No need to be an Oracle.
> In the support section of Cambium site they provide a link planner...
> Use the tool, and take the guess work out  of the equation
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:39:37 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium question
>
> Not my company. ..they are Dragonwave resellers ..saw one of their
> techs at gas station.   Told me he was installing gear manana and asked
> what I would expect at that distance.  Told him I would consult the oracle
> and get back at him
> So Oracle away..
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On May 14, 2015 5:32 PM, "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)" <
> geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>
>> Gonna have to use a 40MHz channel. Good luck with that. Why not
>> licensed?
>>
>> On 5/14/2015 6:30 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Local WISP purchased a pair of Cambium epmp and 30db dishes for a 15
>>> mile link from bank building to water tank clean LOS.  What speeds can 
>>> he
>>> expect from a 100 x 100 fiber feed at bank out to tank?  What is receive
>>> threshold of these radios? Thank you Cambi dudes...
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sales shout

[Adam Moffett]

I wonder why it is that we all hate each other?
"I don't like people in general" seems like a pretty normal attitude 
to me...


On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 10:52 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:


I hate a handful of people less than the rest of the planet. Only
slightly less though. They don't call me grumpy around the office
for nothin.

On 5/14/2015 10:19 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Funny, I distill this whole post to the following:
“I dont like people in general”
*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
*Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:49 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Sales shout
I mentioned this guy once before. But Im dealing with him again
on a couple projects, I suspect the boss may screw him out of
free labor (get the sales guy to do the quote, then price shop
his product offering). So Im hoping somebody here will pick up on
him and send some business his way.
I hate sales guys, I cant stand them, I dont like people in
general, but sales guys are the worst. This guy is the only sales
guy I answer the phone for. the follow up calls are friendly, he
remembers me and offers up relevant products if theyre on his
radar. If I tell him im climbing up some grain leg, he says ok
and ends the call if I have time to talk he finds out what
projects are going on and what offerings he has to meet the need.
Ive never seen longer than a 48 hour turnaround on a quote.
We have made a total of 1 purchase in the three years almost Ive
been dealing with him, yet he treats us like we are his number 1
customer (I hope to god we arent :-) )
This is the guy, if your looking for some stuff, hit him up:
jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com

_
_
-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Sales shout

[Ken Hohhof]

If you think this is hate, go to a tech website that allows reader posts.  In 
comparison, this is a lovefest.

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 8:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sales shout

I wonder why it is that we all hate each other?

  "I don't like people in general" seems like a pretty normal attitude to me...


  On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 10:52 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
 wrote:

I hate a handful of people less than the rest of the planet. Only slightly 
less though. They don't call me grumpy around the office for nothin.


On 5/14/2015 10:19 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Funny, I distill this whole post to the following:
  “I dont like people in general”

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:49 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Sales shout

  I mentioned this guy once before. But Im dealing with him again on a 
couple projects, I suspect the boss may screw him out of free labor (get the 
sales guy to do the quote, then price shop his product offering). So Im hoping 
somebody here will pick up on him and send some business his way. 
  I hate sales guys, I cant stand them, I dont like people in general, but 
sales guys are the worst. This guy is the only sales guy I answer the phone 
for. the follow up calls are friendly, he remembers me and offers up relevant 
products if theyre on his radar. If I tell him im climbing up some grain leg, 
he says ok and ends the call if I have time to talk he finds out what projects 
are going on and what offerings he has to meet the need. Ive never seen longer 
than a 48 hour turnaround on a quote.
  We have made a total of 1 purchase in the three years almost Ive been 
dealing with him, yet he treats us like we are his number 1 customer (I hope to 
god we arent :-) )

  This is the guy, if your looking for some stuff, hit him up:
  jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com 



  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Sales shout

[Mike Hammett]

Agreed. In here you could profess your intimate relations with someone's mother 
and wife at hte same time... and it's nothing compared to the comments section 
of a tech site. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 8:16:32 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sales shout 




If you think this is hate, go to a tech website that allows reader posts. In 
comparison, this is a lovefest. 




From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 8:02 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sales shout 


I wonder why it is that we all hate each other? 



"I don't like people in general" seems like a pretty normal attitude to me... 



On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 10:52 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) < 
geo...@cbcast.com > wrote: 



I hate a handful of people less than the rest of the planet. Only slightly less 
though. They don't call me grumpy around the office for nothin. 


On 5/14/2015 10:19 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: 





Funny, I distill this whole post to the following: 
“I dont like people in general” 




From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:49 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Sales shout 


I mentioned this guy once before. But Im dealing with him again on a couple 
projects, I suspect the boss may screw him out of free labor (get the sales guy 
to do the quote, then price shop his product offering). So Im hoping somebody 
here will pick up on him and send some business his way. 
I hate sales guys, I cant stand them, I dont like people in general, but sales 
guys are the worst. This guy is the only sales guy I answer the phone for. the 
follow up calls are friendly, he remembers me and offers up relevant products 
if theyre on his radar. If I tell him im climbing up some grain leg, he says ok 
and ends the call if I have time to talk he finds out what projects are going 
on and what offerings he has to meet the need. Ive never seen longer than a 48 
hour turnaround on a quote. 
We have made a total of 1 purchase in the three years almost Ive been dealing 
with him, yet he treats us like we are his number 1 customer (I hope to god we 
arent :-) ) 

This is the guy, if your looking for some stuff, hit him up: 

jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com 


-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] Sales shout

[Chuck McCown]

Yeah, I love you guys.

“Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength, while loving someone deeply 
gives you courage.” 
― Lao Tzu 


From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 7:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sales shout

If you think this is hate, go to a tech website that allows reader posts.  In 
comparison, this is a lovefest.

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 8:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sales shout

I wonder why it is that we all hate each other?

  "I don't like people in general" seems like a pretty normal attitude to me...


  On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 10:52 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
 wrote:

I hate a handful of people less than the rest of the planet. Only slightly 
less though. They don't call me grumpy around the office for nothin.


On 5/14/2015 10:19 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Funny, I distill this whole post to the following:
  “I dont like people in general”

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:49 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Sales shout

  I mentioned this guy once before. But Im dealing with him again on a 
couple projects, I suspect the boss may screw him out of free labor (get the 
sales guy to do the quote, then price shop his product offering). So Im hoping 
somebody here will pick up on him and send some business his way. 
  I hate sales guys, I cant stand them, I dont like people in general, but 
sales guys are the worst. This guy is the only sales guy I answer the phone 
for. the follow up calls are friendly, he remembers me and offers up relevant 
products if theyre on his radar. If I tell him im climbing up some grain leg, 
he says ok and ends the call if I have time to talk he finds out what projects 
are going on and what offerings he has to meet the need. Ive never seen longer 
than a 48 hour turnaround on a quote.
  We have made a total of 1 purchase in the three years almost Ive been 
dealing with him, yet he treats us like we are his number 1 customer (I hope to 
god we arent :-) )

  This is the guy, if your looking for some stuff, hit him up:
  jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com 



  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Jacob too?!

[Josh Luthman]

Wow...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!

[Chuck McCown]

Is this breaking news?

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 7:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!

Wow...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!

[Ken Hohhof]

Is it the Rapture?

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!

Wow...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Sales shout

[Mike Hammett]

I was always told that loving yourself was a bad thing, yet you say it gives me 
strength and courage. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 8:50:59 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sales shout 




Yeah, I love you guys. 
“Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength, while loving someone deeply 
gives you courage.” 
― Lao Tzu 





From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 7:16 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sales shout 




If you think this is hate, go to a tech website that allows reader posts. In 
comparison, this is a lovefest. 




From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 8:02 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sales shout 


I wonder why it is that we all hate each other? 



"I don't like people in general" seems like a pretty normal attitude to me... 



On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 10:52 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) < 
geo...@cbcast.com > wrote: 



I hate a handful of people less than the rest of the planet. Only slightly less 
though. They don't call me grumpy around the office for nothin. 


On 5/14/2015 10:19 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: 





Funny, I distill this whole post to the following: 
“I dont like people in general” 




From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:49 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Sales shout 


I mentioned this guy once before. But Im dealing with him again on a couple 
projects, I suspect the boss may screw him out of free labor (get the sales guy 
to do the quote, then price shop his product offering). So Im hoping somebody 
here will pick up on him and send some business his way. 
I hate sales guys, I cant stand them, I dont like people in general, but sales 
guys are the worst. This guy is the only sales guy I answer the phone for. the 
follow up calls are friendly, he remembers me and offers up relevant products 
if theyre on his radar. If I tell him im climbing up some grain leg, he says ok 
and ends the call if I have time to talk he finds out what projects are going 
on and what offerings he has to meet the need. Ive never seen longer than a 48 
hour turnaround on a quote. 
We have made a total of 1 purchase in the three years almost Ive been dealing 
with him, yet he treats us like we are his number 1 customer (I hope to god we 
arent :-) ) 

This is the guy, if your looking for some stuff, hit him up: 

jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com 


-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

[AFMUG] 3 WISPs Ask the Experts May 20

[Ray Savich]

Our next Ask the Experts session features 3 WISPs from North America. Ask them 
anything about their business, network, or customers on Wednesday May 20th 
http://bit.ly/1K7VCrf

Join the Conversation
Cambium Networks Community Forum

Re: [AFMUG] Good looking billboard!

[Dennis Burgess]

Sweet.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 - www.linktechs.net

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 5:56 PM
To: Rory Conaway via Af
Subject: [AFMUG] Good looking billboard!



___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. 

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___

Re: [AFMUG] Sales shout

[Mathew Howard]

Yes, but unlike the comments on a tech website, most of us are over the age
of 12...

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

>   If you think this is hate, go to a tech website that allows reader
> posts.  In comparison, this is a lovefest.
>
>  *From:* Adam Moffett 
> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 8:02 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sales shout
>
>  I wonder why it is that we all hate each other?
>
> "I don't like people in general" seems like a pretty normal attitude to
> me...
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 10:52 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) <
> geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>
>> I hate a handful of people less than the rest of the planet. Only
>> slightly less though. They don't call me grumpy around the office for
>> nothin.
>>
>> On 5/14/2015 10:19 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>  Funny, I distill this whole post to the following:
>> “I dont like people in general”
>>
>>  *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:49 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Sales shout
>>
>>  I mentioned this guy once before. But Im dealing with him again on a
>> couple projects, I suspect the boss may screw him out of free labor (get
>> the sales guy to do the quote, then price shop his product offering). So Im
>> hoping somebody here will pick up on him and send some business his way.
>> I hate sales guys, I cant stand them, I dont like people in general, but
>> sales guys are the worst. This guy is the only sales guy I answer the phone
>> for. the follow up calls are friendly, he remembers me and offers up
>> relevant products if theyre on his radar. If I tell him im climbing up some
>> grain leg, he says ok and ends the call if I have time to talk he finds out
>> what projects are going on and what offerings he has to meet the need. Ive
>> never seen longer than a 48 hour turnaround on a quote.
>> We have made a total of 1 purchase in the three years almost Ive been
>> dealing with him, yet he treats us like we are his number 1 customer (I
>> hope to god we arent :-) )
>>
>> This is the guy, if your looking for some stuff, hit him up:
>>  jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com
>>
>>
>> --
>>   If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 3 WISPs Ask the Experts May 20

[Chuck McCown]

Do these three experts hang out here?

From: Ray Savich 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 8:14 AM
To: mailto:af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] 3 WISPs Ask the Experts May 20

Our next Ask the Experts session features 3 WISPs from North America. Ask them 
anything about their business, network, or customers on Wednesday May 20th 
http://bit.ly/1K7VCrf 

 

Join the Conversation

Cambium Networks Community Forum

 

Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

hmmm, not sure i like what i am hearing

  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 8:51 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!


  Wow...

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!

[Gino Villarini]

Say aint so?

From: CBB Fuller mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, May 15, 2015 at 10:20 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!


hmmm, not sure i like what i am hearing

- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 8:51 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!


Wow...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!

[Jay Weekley]

Whatchu talkin bout willis?

Josh Luthman wrote:


Wow...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

disconcerting

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> Whatchu talkin bout willis?
>
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
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>>
>> Wow...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!

[Jaime Solorza]

Whats going on?

Jaime Solorza
On May 15, 2015 7:52 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> Wow...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP non Synced working good as AP

[Mathew Howard]

I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that they were the same
CPU.

A quick google came up with this from the Cambium forums:

 epmp1000 Synced

   CPU: 560Mhz

   SDRAM: 128MB

   Flash: 16MB

  epmp1000

   CPU: 560Mhz

   SDRAM: 64MB

   Flash: 8MB


On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 4:22 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

>  You can do the epmp ptp radio, IT has gps and limited to 10 subs
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> @gvillarini
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>
>
> On May 15, 2015, at 2:37 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
>
>   I’ve some small separated installations with a small amount of
> customers where I do not need GPS Sync.
>
> So I want to install the ePMP non Synced connectorized with an UBNT
> Dualpol Omni in flexible mode.
>
> It is cheaper and can be powered by passive poe. Just tested with a
> RB260GSP and a cable which crossed
>
> power lines.
>
>
>
> As I understand the non synced version has a slower cpu. Is it fast enough
> to deliver 100Mbit aggregated
>
> on a 40MHz Channel to 10-15 customers? Customers are within half a mile.
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