Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Steve Utick]

I stand corrected.


On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:29 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Waveguide septum filter.
>
> *From:* Steve Utick 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
> It's pretty impossible to show in the interface, as the physical radio
> itself is exactly the same.  What makes it TX high or TX low is the
> position of the diplexer in the radio.  You can flip them to make the High
> radio a Low and vice versa.
>
> I've attached a picture of the diplexer out of a Ceragon 6GHz radio.  You
> can see the L and H markings on it.  Simply flipping the diplexer end for
> end changes the radio from TX high to TX low.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> Ok, so looking at my parts list it does appear that one is H and one is L.
>>
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, the geniuses at Ceragon don’t seem to have figured out how
>> to show that in the interface anywhere.
>>
>>
>>
>> So I guess I’ll have to climb one of the towers to figure out which it is.
>>
>>
>>
>> So for example, if I’m using channel 11200 and 10800 then the H radio
>> needs to be assigned the 11200 channel?
>>
>> And the 10800 the L radio?
>>
>>
>>
>> Do I have that right?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Utick
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:51 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>>
>>
>> If I remember right, the radios I have do have frequencies listed on the
>> sticker as well, so that should tell you if they are capable of the range
>> you have.
>>
>> The radios will happily let you program frequencies into them that are
>> outside of the diplexers that are in the radio, they just won't work very
>> well, if at all.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Caleb Knauer 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I think there's two sub-bands they use, what they call channels 1-6
>> and 7-12.  IIRC, the label that lists the PN shows the frequency
>> range, but that may have been one of their other models.  Been a
>> little bit since I laid hands on one.
>> --
>> IgniteNet
>> ca...@ignitenet.com
>> www.ignitenet.com
>> We're hiring!  Ping me.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Steve Utick  wrote:
>> > On the serial # sticker on the radio, one will have a L in the middle
>> of the
>> > part number, and other will have a H in the middle.
>> >
>> > As for the sub bands, etc. you'd have to check part #'s on the radio to
>> see
>> > what sub bands they are for and what frequencies that encompasses, and
>> if
>> > it's within the new frequencies you are operating in or not.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson <
>> sterl...@avative.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz
>> spectrum.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or
>> >> programmatically configured for high/low?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I don’t see that in the docs.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
>> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
>> >> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set
>> to
>> >> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some
>> ODUs can
>> >> be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when
>> you
>> >> rotated that one side.
>> >>
>> >> -Ty
>> >>
>> >> -Ty
>> >>
>> >> On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both
>> >> radios, just reversed on the other side.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
>> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -Ty
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -Ty
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Sterling Jacobson <
>> sterl...@avative.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I'm checking, but yet, they should be.
>> >>
>> >> This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the
>> >> mountain, then this year put back up with one end in a different
>> location
>> >> and under a different FCC license.
>> >>
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Steve Utick]

You need to swap the radios end for end.  While you could probably open up
the radios and flip the diplexers, you would need to open up both radios,
which would void the warranty, so you might as well just swap radios
around.  There are actually two diplexers in each IP20C, so you would need
to flip both in each radio.  Way more trouble than it's worth, and then the
labels on the radios would not match what they actually were, etc.


On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I actually found a picture of the radio, and I do have Low on the side
> running the 11000’s channel.
>
>
>
> So that means I have to swap radios, right?
>
>
>
> Can’t very well change the FCC Coordination/license.
>
>
>
> I’m not sure I can flip the diplexer in the IP-20C though, it’s an XPIC
> dual polarity?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Utick
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
>
>
> It's pretty impossible to show in the interface, as the physical radio
> itself is exactly the same.  What makes it TX high or TX low is the
> position of the diplexer in the radio.  You can flip them to make the High
> radio a Low and vice versa.
>
> I've attached a picture of the diplexer out of a Ceragon 6GHz radio.  You
> can see the L and H markings on it.  Simply flipping the diplexer end for
> end changes the radio from TX high to TX low.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> Ok, so looking at my parts list it does appear that one is H and one is L.
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, the geniuses at Ceragon don’t seem to have figured out how
> to show that in the interface anywhere.
>
>
>
> So I guess I’ll have to climb one of the towers to figure out which it is.
>
>
>
> So for example, if I’m using channel 11200 and 10800 then the H radio
> needs to be assigned the 11200 channel?
>
> And the 10800 the L radio?
>
>
>
> Do I have that right?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Utick
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
>
>
> If I remember right, the radios I have do have frequencies listed on the
> sticker as well, so that should tell you if they are capable of the range
> you have.
>
> The radios will happily let you program frequencies into them that are
> outside of the diplexers that are in the radio, they just won't work very
> well, if at all.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Caleb Knauer 
> wrote:
>
> I think there's two sub-bands they use, what they call channels 1-6
> and 7-12.  IIRC, the label that lists the PN shows the frequency
> range, but that may have been one of their other models.  Been a
> little bit since I laid hands on one.
> --
> IgniteNet
> ca...@ignitenet.com
> www.ignitenet.com
> We're hiring!  Ping me.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Steve Utick  wrote:
> > On the serial # sticker on the radio, one will have a L in the middle of
> the
> > part number, and other will have a H in the middle.
> >
> > As for the sub bands, etc. you'd have to check part #'s on the radio to
> see
> > what sub bands they are for and what frequencies that encompasses, and if
> > it's within the new frequencies you are operating in or not.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson  >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or
> >> programmatically configured for high/low?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don’t see that in the docs.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
> >> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set
> to
> >> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs
> can
> >> be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you
> >> rotated that one side.
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >> On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both
> >> radios, just reversed on the other side.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

[Chuck McCown]

An external filter ahead of the RX amp should help.  AFAIK, nobody has yet 
invented a good front end filter that is not mechanical and somewhat fixed.  
Hard to do that with software.  

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 6:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

Seriously!? It doesn't need it. The have an electronic, software controlled 
filter built into the radio. The only thing you'd be doing with external fixed 
bandpass filters is shaping the Tx output. The 450 radios have a pretty damn 
clean Tx signal as is, which is one reason why you can stack channels with zero 
guard band.


On 3/24/2016 7:01 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

  Has anyone experimented with inserting a notch filter on a 450i 900 AP, for a 
specific 7 MHz?


  All of the options I can find are for a wider 900 band, more than a specific 
7-10 MHz section, and cost $150+ a piece, so you're adding $300 and some 
jumpers and 0.5dB insertion loss.



  On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

Unless Yogi Bear is monitoring BooBoo with a baby monitor, in this 
particular location, I think I’m okay.



Rory 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i



Dude, there's interference everywhere in the 900 band. Cordless phones, 
baby monitors, security systems, smart meters, SCADA.. and the list goes on.

On 3/24/2016 11:23 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:

  Are you talking about interference on the same tower or with other towers 
or devices.  I don’t think I’ll have interference issues from other sources.



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
  Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:29 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i



  If you do 6 sectors, you're using the entire band and have nowhere to go 
when one or two sectors is experiencing interference. Or you have to drop down 
to 5MHz channel bandwidth which sucks. This is why we do 4x90 clusters. Two 
channels with wiggle room. Of course that's FSK's 8MHz channel width. I think a 
lot of people have found that 7MHz on the 450i works best.

  On 3/24/2016 12:11 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:

No, I’m not complaining, I’ll use them.  I’ll figure out how to hide 
them.  Still trying to figure out the deployment strategy on a typical tower.  
I have some learnin’ to do.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:08 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i



Well, if you want small... there's these, I'm not sure I'd want to try 
doing channel re-use with them though.

http://itelite.net/en/Katalog/900-MHz//SEC-XL0911DP.html



On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:35 PM, Eric Kuhnke  
wrote:

Any 900 sector is going to be huge



On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:28 PM, Rory Conaway  
wrote:

I’m specifically interested in the 900Mhz, I thought that was the 450i, 
I didn’t know it covered 5.8GHz also.I also need maximum bandwidth off the 
tower although I don’t know tower or other mounting locations yet to determine 
if I need 360 degrees.  I actually have more problems with aesthetics and those 
antennas are going to be an issue due to the size.  Right now I’m interested in 
throughput per antenna and what kind of throughput to expect with GPS.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Yuchasz
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:02 PM


To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i



If you guys are talking about the 900mhz 450i 65 degree. Straight from 
the horse’s mouth is the 65 and the 90 are the same antenna. Just more role off 
to achieve the 90.  I have tested it outside of the 65 degree but within the 
90. I was not happy with the results. One customer had to be put back onto FSK 
yesterday until we can get another AP up or a true 90 degree. Just would not 
modulate up and finally dropped off completely. 





Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i



There's an OEM 90*...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 23, 2016 11:06 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

I looked at the 450i and noticed the sector antenna is 65 degrees.  
Does that mean a typical tower installation uses 6 antennas?  In that scenario, 
I’m 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Chuck McCown]

Waveguide septum filter.

From: Steve Utick 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

It's pretty impossible to show in the interface, as the physical radio itself 
is exactly the same.  What makes it TX high or TX low is the position of the 
diplexer in the radio.  You can flip them to make the High radio a Low and vice 
versa.


I've attached a picture of the diplexer out of a Ceragon 6GHz radio.  You can 
see the L and H markings on it.  Simply flipping the diplexer end for end 
changes the radio from TX high to TX low.



On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:

  Ok, so looking at my parts list it does appear that one is H and one is L.



  Unfortunately, the geniuses at Ceragon don’t seem to have figured out how to 
show that in the interface anywhere.



  So I guess I’ll have to climb one of the towers to figure out which it is.



  So for example, if I’m using channel 11200 and 10800 then the H radio needs 
to be assigned the 11200 channel?

  And the 10800 the L radio?



  Do I have that right?



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Utick
  Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:51 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C



  If I remember right, the radios I have do have frequencies listed on the 
sticker as well, so that should tell you if they are capable of the range you 
have.

  The radios will happily let you program frequencies into them that are 
outside of the diplexers that are in the radio, they just won't work very well, 
if at all.



  On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Caleb Knauer  wrote:

I think there's two sub-bands they use, what they call channels 1-6
and 7-12.  IIRC, the label that lists the PN shows the frequency
range, but that may have been one of their other models.  Been a
little bit since I laid hands on one.
--
IgniteNet
ca...@ignitenet.com
www.ignitenet.com
We're hiring!  Ping me.


On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Steve Utick  wrote:
> On the serial # sticker on the radio, one will have a L in the middle of 
the
> part number, and other will have a H in the middle.
>
> As for the sub bands, etc. you'd have to check part #'s on the radio to 
see
> what sub bands they are for and what frequencies that encompasses, and if
> it's within the new frequencies you are operating in or not.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
>>
>>
>>
>> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or
>> programmatically configured for high/low?
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t see that in the docs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>>
>>
>> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
>> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set to
>> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs 
can
>> be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you
>> rotated that one side.
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  
wrote:
>>
>> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
>>
>>
>>
>> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
>>
>>
>>
>> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both
>> radios, just reversed on the other side.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>>
>>
>> You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm checking, but yet, they should be.
>>
>> This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the
>> mountain, then this year put back up with one end in a different location
>> and under a different FCC license.
>>
>> So the things that were changed were the tx/rx frequencies (matching send
>> for both radios on a side and matching receive, just switched on each 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

[Eric Kuhnke]

Has anyone experimented with inserting a notch filter on a 450i 900 AP, for
a specific 7 MHz?

All of the options I can find are for a wider 900 band, more than a
specific 7-10 MHz section, and cost $150+ a piece, so you're adding $300
and some jumpers and 0.5dB insertion loss.


On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> Unless Yogi Bear is monitoring BooBoo with a baby monitor, in this
> particular location, I think I’m okay.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i
>
>
>
> Dude, there's interference everywhere in the 900 band. Cordless phones,
> baby monitors, security systems, smart meters, SCADA.. and the list goes on.
>
> On 3/24/2016 11:23 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> Are you talking about interference on the same tower or with other towers
> or devices.  I don’t think I’ll have interference issues from other sources.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i
>
>
>
> If you do 6 sectors, you're using the entire band and have nowhere to go
> when one or two sectors is experiencing interference. Or you have to drop
> down to 5MHz channel bandwidth which sucks. This is why we do 4x90
> clusters. Two channels with wiggle room. Of course that's FSK's 8MHz
> channel width. I think a lot of people have found that 7MHz on the 450i
> works best.
>
> On 3/24/2016 12:11 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> No, I’m not complaining, I’ll use them.  I’ll figure out how to hide
> them.  Still trying to figure out the deployment strategy on a typical
> tower.  I have some learnin’ to do.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:08 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i
>
>
>
> Well, if you want small... there's these, I'm not sure I'd want to try
> doing channel re-use with them though.
>
> http://itelite.net/en/Katalog/900-MHz//SEC-XL0911DP.html
> 
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:35 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
> Any 900 sector is going to be huge
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:28 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> I’m specifically interested in the 900Mhz, I thought that was the 450i, I
> didn’t know it covered 5.8GHz also.I also need maximum bandwidth off
> the tower although I don’t know tower or other mounting locations yet to
> determine if I need 360 degrees.  I actually have more problems with
> aesthetics and those antennas are going to be an issue due to the size.
> Right now I’m interested in throughput per antenna and what kind of
> throughput to expect with GPS.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brandon Yuchasz
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:02 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i
>
>
>
> If you guys are talking about the 900mhz 450i 65 degree. Straight from the
> horse’s mouth is the 65 and the 90 are the same antenna. Just more role off
> to achieve the 90.  I have tested it outside of the 65 degree but within
> the 90. I was not happy with the results. One customer had to be put back
> onto FSK yesterday until we can get another AP up or a true 90 degree. Just
> would not modulate up and finally dropped off completely.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i
>
>
>
> There's an OEM 90*...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mar 23, 2016 11:06 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> I looked at the 450i and noticed the sector antenna is 65 degrees.  Does
> that mean a typical tower installation uses 6 antennas?  In that scenario,
> I’m assuming 10MHz channels if there is no interference.  In that scenario,
> what is the available bandwidth per AP assuming most users get pretty good
> signal.  Or is there a better way to deploy the product?
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> “I wish I could play little league now.  I’d be way better than before.”
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

[Rory Conaway]

Unless Yogi Bear is monitoring BooBoo with a baby monitor, in this particular 
location, I think I’m okay.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

Dude, there's interference everywhere in the 900 band. Cordless phones, baby 
monitors, security systems, smart meters, SCADA.. and the list goes on.
On 3/24/2016 11:23 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
Are you talking about interference on the same tower or with other towers or 
devices.  I don’t think I’ll have interference issues from other sources.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

If you do 6 sectors, you're using the entire band and have nowhere to go when 
one or two sectors is experiencing interference. Or you have to drop down to 
5MHz channel bandwidth which sucks. This is why we do 4x90 clusters. Two 
channels with wiggle room. Of course that's FSK's 8MHz channel width. I think a 
lot of people have found that 7MHz on the 450i works best.
On 3/24/2016 12:11 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
No, I’m not complaining, I’ll use them.  I’ll figure out how to hide them.  
Still trying to figure out the deployment strategy on a typical tower.  I have 
some learnin’ to do.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:08 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

Well, if you want small... there's these, I'm not sure I'd want to try doing 
channel re-use with them though.

http://itelite.net/en/Katalog/900-MHz//SEC-XL0911DP.html

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:35 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
Any 900 sector is going to be huge

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:28 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
I’m specifically interested in the 900Mhz, I thought that was the 450i, I 
didn’t know it covered 5.8GHz also.I also need maximum bandwidth off the 
tower although I don’t know tower or other mounting locations yet to determine 
if I need 360 degrees.  I actually have more problems with aesthetics and those 
antennas are going to be an issue due to the size.  Right now I’m interested in 
throughput per antenna and what kind of throughput to expect with GPS.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Brandon Yuchasz
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:02 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

If you guys are talking about the 900mhz 450i 65 degree. Straight from the 
horse’s mouth is the 65 and the 90 are the same antenna. Just more role off to 
achieve the 90.  I have tested it outside of the 65 degree but within the 90. I 
was not happy with the results. One customer had to be put back onto FSK 
yesterday until we can get another AP up or a true 90 degree. Just would not 
modulate up and finally dropped off completely.


Best regards,
Brandon Yuchasz
GogebicRange.net
www.gogebicrange.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i


There's an OEM 90*...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 23, 2016 11:06 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
I looked at the 450i and noticed the sector antenna is 65 degrees.  Does that 
mean a typical tower installation uses 6 antennas?  In that scenario, I’m 
assuming 10MHz channels if there is no interference.  In that scenario, what is 
the available bandwidth per AP assuming most users get pretty good signal.  Or 
is there a better way to deploy the product?

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“I wish I could play little league now.  I’d be way better than before.”

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Kurt Fankhauser]

CTI offers the Netsapiens VOIP in a (cloud based) solution for you. They
have all the servers and equipment, basically all you do is log into their
web interface and and associate DID's they provide you (after you request
them) with SIP enabled devices.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Steve  wrote:

> What do they provide to you?  Are the servers/pbx in your NOC?  Support?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:43:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>
> Probably CTI, i am starting some testing with their VOIP offering right
> now, if it works as i suspect going to be rolling it out here in next
> couple months. Cost is $9/month for residential and $19-20 for business
> DID's.
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Steve  wrote:
>
> > Which VOIP provider do you use?  I seem to recall at a show couple years
> > ago some of them would charge $6-8 a customer, do the support, and also
> > provide the server.  I can't recall some of their names.
> >
> > If so which ones do you use and which methodology do you recommend?
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Sterling Jacobson]

I actually found a picture of the radio, and I do have Low on the side running 
the 11000’s channel.

So that means I have to swap radios, right?

Can’t very well change the FCC Coordination/license.

I’m not sure I can flip the diplexer in the IP-20C though, it’s an XPIC dual 
polarity?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Utick
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

It's pretty impossible to show in the interface, as the physical radio itself 
is exactly the same.  What makes it TX high or TX low is the position of the 
diplexer in the radio.  You can flip them to make the High radio a Low and vice 
versa.
I've attached a picture of the diplexer out of a Ceragon 6GHz radio.  You can 
see the L and H markings on it.  Simply flipping the diplexer end for end 
changes the radio from TX high to TX low.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
Ok, so looking at my parts list it does appear that one is H and one is L.

Unfortunately, the geniuses at Ceragon don’t seem to have figured out how to 
show that in the interface anywhere.

So I guess I’ll have to climb one of the towers to figure out which it is.

So for example, if I’m using channel 11200 and 10800 then the H radio needs to 
be assigned the 11200 channel?
And the 10800 the L radio?

Do I have that right?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Steve Utick
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

If I remember right, the radios I have do have frequencies listed on the 
sticker as well, so that should tell you if they are capable of the range you 
have.
The radios will happily let you program frequencies into them that are outside 
of the diplexers that are in the radio, they just won't work very well, if at 
all.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Caleb Knauer 
> wrote:
I think there's two sub-bands they use, what they call channels 1-6
and 7-12.  IIRC, the label that lists the PN shows the frequency
range, but that may have been one of their other models.  Been a
little bit since I laid hands on one.
--
IgniteNet
ca...@ignitenet.com
www.ignitenet.com
We're hiring!  Ping me.


On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Steve Utick 
> wrote:
> On the serial # sticker on the radio, one will have a L in the middle of the
> part number, and other will have a H in the middle.
>
> As for the sub bands, etc. you'd have to check part #'s on the radio to see
> what sub bands they are for and what frequencies that encompasses, and if
> it's within the new frequencies you are operating in or not.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> >
> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
>>
>>
>>
>> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or
>> programmatically configured for high/low?
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t see that in the docs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Ty Featherling
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>>
>>
>> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
>> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set to
>> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs can
>> be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you
>> rotated that one side.
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
>>
>>
>>
>> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
>>
>>
>>
>> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both
>> radios, just reversed on the other side.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Ty Featherling
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>>
>>
>> You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm checking, but yet, they should be.
>>
>> This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the
>> mountain, then this year put back up with one end in a 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Eric Kuhnke]

yes, that generally is how FDD radios work

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Ok, so looking at my parts list it does appear that one is H and one is L.
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, the geniuses at Ceragon don’t seem to have figured out how
> to show that in the interface anywhere.
>
>
>
> So I guess I’ll have to climb one of the towers to figure out which it is.
>
>
>
> So for example, if I’m using channel 11200 and 10800 then the H radio
> needs to be assigned the 11200 channel?
>
> And the 10800 the L radio?
>
>
>
> Do I have that right?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Utick
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
>
>
> If I remember right, the radios I have do have frequencies listed on the
> sticker as well, so that should tell you if they are capable of the range
> you have.
>
> The radios will happily let you program frequencies into them that are
> outside of the diplexers that are in the radio, they just won't work very
> well, if at all.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Caleb Knauer 
> wrote:
>
> I think there's two sub-bands they use, what they call channels 1-6
> and 7-12.  IIRC, the label that lists the PN shows the frequency
> range, but that may have been one of their other models.  Been a
> little bit since I laid hands on one.
> --
> IgniteNet
> ca...@ignitenet.com
> www.ignitenet.com
> We're hiring!  Ping me.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Steve Utick  wrote:
> > On the serial # sticker on the radio, one will have a L in the middle of
> the
> > part number, and other will have a H in the middle.
> >
> > As for the sub bands, etc. you'd have to check part #'s on the radio to
> see
> > what sub bands they are for and what frequencies that encompasses, and if
> > it's within the new frequencies you are operating in or not.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson  >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or
> >> programmatically configured for high/low?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don’t see that in the docs.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
> >> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set
> to
> >> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs
> can
> >> be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you
> >> rotated that one side.
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >> On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both
> >> radios, just reversed on the other side.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Sterling Jacobson <
> sterl...@avative.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm checking, but yet, they should be.
> >>
> >> This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the
> >> mountain, then this year put back up with one end in a different
> location
> >> and under a different FCC license.
> >>
> >> So the things that were changed were the tx/rx frequencies (matching
> send
> >> for both radios on a side and matching receive, just switched on each
> end)
> >> and dBm now on both sides.
> >>
> >> Physically on one side we 'rotated' the antenna/mount 180 degrees to
> make
> >> it a right handed mount instead of left handed.
> >> That shouldn't matter, should it?
> >>
> >> I don't have management access available externally, or even able to
> >> connect to the internet at this point in time, or I would.
> >>
> >> I could send screen shots I guess.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:36 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> >>
> >> Are they on the same firmware?
> >> That caused us a problem 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Josh Luthman]

Antenna can't matter - it has to both tx and rx those frequencies.  Unless
of course you have two dishes that have some super fine bandwidth (would
that even be possible?)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 7:02 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> What about on the antenna itself?
>
>
>
> If I have a VHLP3-11W-CR4A Commscope/Andrew antenna is that a ‘Low’
> antenna, or does the antenna even matter?
>
>
>
> I’m guessing the antenna doesn’t matter and it’s full band.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:58 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
>
>
> Ok, so looking at my parts list it does appear that one is H and one is L.
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, the geniuses at Ceragon don’t seem to have figured out how
> to show that in the interface anywhere.
>
>
>
> So I guess I’ll have to climb one of the towers to figure out which it is.
>
>
>
> So for example, if I’m using channel 11200 and 10800 then the H radio
> needs to be assigned the 11200 channel?
>
> And the 10800 the L radio?
>
>
>
> Do I have that right?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Utick
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
>
>
> If I remember right, the radios I have do have frequencies listed on the
> sticker as well, so that should tell you if they are capable of the range
> you have.
>
> The radios will happily let you program frequencies into them that are
> outside of the diplexers that are in the radio, they just won't work very
> well, if at all.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Caleb Knauer 
> wrote:
>
> I think there's two sub-bands they use, what they call channels 1-6
> and 7-12.  IIRC, the label that lists the PN shows the frequency
> range, but that may have been one of their other models.  Been a
> little bit since I laid hands on one.
> --
> IgniteNet
> ca...@ignitenet.com
> www.ignitenet.com
> We're hiring!  Ping me.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Steve Utick  wrote:
> > On the serial # sticker on the radio, one will have a L in the middle of
> the
> > part number, and other will have a H in the middle.
> >
> > As for the sub bands, etc. you'd have to check part #'s on the radio to
> see
> > what sub bands they are for and what frequencies that encompasses, and if
> > it's within the new frequencies you are operating in or not.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson  >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or
> >> programmatically configured for high/low?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don’t see that in the docs.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
> >> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set
> to
> >> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs
> can
> >> be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you
> >> rotated that one side.
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >> On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both
> >> radios, just reversed on the other side.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Sterling Jacobson <
> sterl...@avative.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm checking, but yet, they should be.
> >>
> >> This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the
> >> mountain, then this year put back up with one end in a different
> location
> >> and under a different FCC license.
> >>
> >> So the things that were changed were the tx/rx frequencies (matching
> send
> >> for both radios on a side and matching receive, just switched on each
> end)
> >> and dBm now on both sides.
> >>
> >> Physically on one 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Sterling Jacobson]

What about on the antenna itself?

If I have a VHLP3-11W-CR4A Commscope/Andrew antenna is that a ‘Low’ antenna, or 
does the antenna even matter?

I’m guessing the antenna doesn’t matter and it’s full band.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Ok, so looking at my parts list it does appear that one is H and one is L.

Unfortunately, the geniuses at Ceragon don’t seem to have figured out how to 
show that in the interface anywhere.

So I guess I’ll have to climb one of the towers to figure out which it is.

So for example, if I’m using channel 11200 and 10800 then the H radio needs to 
be assigned the 11200 channel?
And the 10800 the L radio?

Do I have that right?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Utick
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

If I remember right, the radios I have do have frequencies listed on the 
sticker as well, so that should tell you if they are capable of the range you 
have.
The radios will happily let you program frequencies into them that are outside 
of the diplexers that are in the radio, they just won't work very well, if at 
all.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Caleb Knauer 
> wrote:
I think there's two sub-bands they use, what they call channels 1-6
and 7-12.  IIRC, the label that lists the PN shows the frequency
range, but that may have been one of their other models.  Been a
little bit since I laid hands on one.
--
IgniteNet
ca...@ignitenet.com
www.ignitenet.com
We're hiring!  Ping me.


On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Steve Utick 
> wrote:
> On the serial # sticker on the radio, one will have a L in the middle of the
> part number, and other will have a H in the middle.
>
> As for the sub bands, etc. you'd have to check part #'s on the radio to see
> what sub bands they are for and what frequencies that encompasses, and if
> it's within the new frequencies you are operating in or not.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> >
> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
>>
>>
>>
>> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or
>> programmatically configured for high/low?
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t see that in the docs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Ty Featherling
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>>
>>
>> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
>> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set to
>> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs can
>> be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you
>> rotated that one side.
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
>>
>>
>>
>> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
>>
>>
>>
>> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both
>> radios, just reversed on the other side.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Ty Featherling
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>>
>>
>> You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm checking, but yet, they should be.
>>
>> This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the
>> mountain, then this year put back up with one end in a different location
>> and under a different FCC license.
>>
>> So the things that were changed were the tx/rx frequencies (matching send
>> for both radios on a side and matching receive, just switched on each end)
>> and dBm now on both sides.
>>
>> Physically on one side we 'rotated' the antenna/mount 180 degrees to make
>> it a right handed mount instead of left handed.
>> That shouldn't matter, should it?
>>
>> I don't have management access available externally, or even able to
>> connect to the internet at this point in time, or I would.
>>
>> I could send screen shots I guess.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Josh Luthman]

Usually, yes.  It should be TX high and TX low (H and L).

I think your PCN should have those details.  I also think that you can only
set the frequency to the proper side to the proper device, so if you set
the TX high frequency on the device that should be, you're set.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Ok, so looking at my parts list it does appear that one is H and one is L.
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, the geniuses at Ceragon don’t seem to have figured out how
> to show that in the interface anywhere.
>
>
>
> So I guess I’ll have to climb one of the towers to figure out which it is.
>
>
>
> So for example, if I’m using channel 11200 and 10800 then the H radio
> needs to be assigned the 11200 channel?
>
> And the 10800 the L radio?
>
>
>
> Do I have that right?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Utick
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 4:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
>
>
> If I remember right, the radios I have do have frequencies listed on the
> sticker as well, so that should tell you if they are capable of the range
> you have.
>
> The radios will happily let you program frequencies into them that are
> outside of the diplexers that are in the radio, they just won't work very
> well, if at all.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Caleb Knauer 
> wrote:
>
> I think there's two sub-bands they use, what they call channels 1-6
> and 7-12.  IIRC, the label that lists the PN shows the frequency
> range, but that may have been one of their other models.  Been a
> little bit since I laid hands on one.
> --
> IgniteNet
> ca...@ignitenet.com
> www.ignitenet.com
> We're hiring!  Ping me.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Steve Utick  wrote:
> > On the serial # sticker on the radio, one will have a L in the middle of
> the
> > part number, and other will have a H in the middle.
> >
> > As for the sub bands, etc. you'd have to check part #'s on the radio to
> see
> > what sub bands they are for and what frequencies that encompasses, and if
> > it's within the new frequencies you are operating in or not.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson  >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or
> >> programmatically configured for high/low?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don’t see that in the docs.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
> >> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set
> to
> >> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs
> can
> >> be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you
> >> rotated that one side.
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >> On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both
> >> radios, just reversed on the other side.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Sterling Jacobson <
> sterl...@avative.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm checking, but yet, they should be.
> >>
> >> This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the
> >> mountain, then this year put back up with one end in a different
> location
> >> and under a different FCC license.
> >>
> >> So the things that were changed were the tx/rx frequencies (matching
> send
> >> for both radios on a side and matching receive, just switched on each
> end)
> >> and dBm now on both sides.
> >>
> >> Physically on one side we 'rotated' the antenna/mount 180 degrees to
> make
> >> it a right handed mount instead of left handed.
> >> That shouldn't matter, should it?
> >>
> >> I don't have management access available externally, or even able to
> >> connect to the internet at this point in time, or I would.
> >>
> >> I could 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Emory University

[Faisal Imtiaz]

30,000 JigaWatts ! 30,000 JigaWatts  What was I thinking  

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Lewis Bergman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 6:53:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Emory University

> Flux capacitors take way to many banana peels for remote small fusion power
> cells.
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 5:45 PM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
> wrote:

>> It could have a flux capacitor for all I care as long as it works.
>> On Mar 24, 2016 4:42 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote:

>>> There is no secret to the fact that these are one of the first radios 
>>> (outdoor
>>> PTP) utilizing the PERASO 60ghz Chipset.
>>> The USB3 Dongle may very well be the Peraso Ref. Design or modified version 
>>> of
>>> it.

>>> I am curious as to why you think there should a serializer/deserializer ? 
>>> and
>>> what would be feature short coming from this ?

>>> Regards

>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 From: "Eric Kuhnke" < eric.kuh...@gmail.com >
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 6:27:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Emory University

 It's shipping. Someone I know has one. Fun fact: Its 802.11ad chipset is 
 on the
 motherboard hanging off a consumer grade USB3 bridge chipset. There's no 
 real
 serializer/deserializer like you would expect to see in a proper PTP radio
 product.

 On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
 >
 wrote:

> Is the Metrolinq shipping yet? Any case studies?
> On Mar 24, 2016 3:53 PM, "Caleb Knauer" < cknauer.li...@gmail.com > wrote:

>> Their hospital system is one of the best in the country, and I credit
>> their staff with saving my mom's life twice (once with an emergency
>> brain surgery, the other when they found a bunch of cancer during the
>> setup for the brain surgery). All levels of doctors, surgeons,
>> nurses, and support staff were amazing.

>> The actual non-medical student base is full of a bunch of
>> whackadoodles though ;-)
>> --
>> IgniteNet
>> ca...@ignitenet.com
>> www.ignitenet.com
>> We're hiring! Ping me.

>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote:
>> > Odd, those poor fragile students of Emory University are being scarred 
>> > for
>> > life my someone writing Trump 2016 on the walls with chalk. My heck, we
>> > better get some bubbles for them to live in and make sure all hard 
>> > surfaces
>> > are covered with a thick foam rubber coating.

>> > College students cannot be faced with anything unpleasant, it will 
>> > damage
>> > them, it is a crime against humanity to encourage critical thinking.


>> > (Only 11% of tenured college professors rank themselves as 
>> > conservative and
>> > most of them are over 50. Younger conservative professors are 
>> > repeatedly
>> > passed over for full professorships and tenured positions at a rate of 
>> > 8:1
>> > compared to those who are openly liberal– from NPR)

Re: [AFMUG] OT Emory University

[Lewis Bergman]

Flux capacitors take way to many banana peels for remote small fusion power
cells.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 5:45 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> It could have a flux capacitor for all I care as long as it works.
> On Mar 24, 2016 4:42 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>
>> There is no secret to the fact that these are one of the first radios
>> (outdoor PTP) utilizing the PERASO 60ghz Chipset.
>> The USB3 Dongle may very well be the Peraso Ref. Design or modified
>> version of it.
>>
>> I am curious as to why you think there should a serializer/deserializer ?
>> and what would be feature short coming from this ?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 24, 2016 6:27:07 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Emory University
>>
>> It's shipping. Someone I know has one. Fun fact: Its 802.11ad chipset is
>> on the motherboard hanging off a consumer grade USB3 bridge chipset.
>> There's no real serializer/deserializer like you would expect to see in a
>> proper PTP radio product.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Is the Metrolinq shipping yet? Any case studies?
>>> On Mar 24, 2016 3:53 PM, "Caleb Knauer"  wrote:
>>>
 Their hospital system is one of the best in the country, and I credit
 their staff with saving my mom's life twice (once with an emergency
 brain surgery, the other when they found a bunch of cancer during the
 setup for the brain surgery).  All levels of doctors, surgeons,
 nurses, and support staff were amazing.

 The actual non-medical student base is full of a bunch of
 whackadoodles though ;-)
 --
 IgniteNet
 ca...@ignitenet.com
 www.ignitenet.com
 We're hiring!  Ping me.


 On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
 > Odd, those poor fragile students of Emory University are being
 scarred for
 > life my someone writing Trump 2016 on the walls with chalk.  My heck,
 we
 > better get some bubbles for them to live in and make sure all hard
 surfaces
 > are covered with a thick foam rubber coating.
 >
 > College students cannot be faced with anything unpleasant, it will
 damage
 > them, it is a crime against humanity to encourage critical thinking.
 >
 >
 > (Only 11% of tenured college professors rank themselves as
 conservative and
 > most of them are over 50.  Younger conservative professors are
 repeatedly
 > passed over for full professorships and tenured positions at a rate
 of 8:1
 > compared to those who are openly liberal– from NPR)

>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Steve Utick]

If I remember right, the radios I have do have frequencies listed on the
sticker as well, so that should tell you if they are capable of the range
you have.

The radios will happily let you program frequencies into them that are
outside of the diplexers that are in the radio, they just won't work very
well, if at all.


On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Caleb Knauer 
wrote:

> I think there's two sub-bands they use, what they call channels 1-6
> and 7-12.  IIRC, the label that lists the PN shows the frequency
> range, but that may have been one of their other models.  Been a
> little bit since I laid hands on one.
> --
> IgniteNet
> ca...@ignitenet.com
> www.ignitenet.com
> We're hiring!  Ping me.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Steve Utick  wrote:
> > On the serial # sticker on the radio, one will have a L in the middle of
> the
> > part number, and other will have a H in the middle.
> >
> > As for the sub bands, etc. you'd have to check part #'s on the radio to
> see
> > what sub bands they are for and what frequencies that encompasses, and if
> > it's within the new frequencies you are operating in or not.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson  >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or
> >> programmatically configured for high/low?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don’t see that in the docs.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
> >> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set
> to
> >> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs
> can
> >> be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you
> >> rotated that one side.
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >> On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both
> >> radios, just reversed on the other side.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Ty
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Sterling Jacobson <
> sterl...@avative.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm checking, but yet, they should be.
> >>
> >> This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the
> >> mountain, then this year put back up with one end in a different
> location
> >> and under a different FCC license.
> >>
> >> So the things that were changed were the tx/rx frequencies (matching
> send
> >> for both radios on a side and matching receive, just switched on each
> end)
> >> and dBm now on both sides.
> >>
> >> Physically on one side we 'rotated' the antenna/mount 180 degrees to
> make
> >> it a right handed mount instead of left handed.
> >> That shouldn't matter, should it?
> >>
> >> I don't have management access available externally, or even able to
> >> connect to the internet at this point in time, or I would.
> >>
> >> I could send screen shots I guess.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:36 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> >>
> >> Are they on the same firmware?
> >> That caused us a problem where they would not link.
> >>
> >> Can you give me remote access?  I could take a quick look and compare to
> >> one of my links.
> >>
> >> Adam
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:33 AM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> >>
> >> Hey guys, I am completely stumped at this point.
> >>
> >> I've tried three times to get this link working, to even show a brief
> blip
> >> of anything showing up on the other side power wise.
> >>
> >> I have both radios ON and transmitting at full 24dBm.
> >>
> >> I don't see ANYTHING change on the other side of the link.
> >>
> >> This is with 3' dishes and about 8 miles out.
> >>
> >> All settings on both sides are the 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Emory University

[Jaime Solorza]

It could have a flux capacitor for all I care as long as it works.
On Mar 24, 2016 4:42 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> There is no secret to the fact that these are one of the first radios
> (outdoor PTP) utilizing the PERASO 60ghz Chipset.
> The USB3 Dongle may very well be the Peraso Ref. Design or modified
> version of it.
>
> I am curious as to why you think there should a serializer/deserializer ?
> and what would be feature short coming from this ?
>
> Regards
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 24, 2016 6:27:07 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Emory University
>
> It's shipping. Someone I know has one. Fun fact: Its 802.11ad chipset is
> on the motherboard hanging off a consumer grade USB3 bridge chipset.
> There's no real serializer/deserializer like you would expect to see in a
> proper PTP radio product.
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Is the Metrolinq shipping yet? Any case studies?
>> On Mar 24, 2016 3:53 PM, "Caleb Knauer"  wrote:
>>
>>> Their hospital system is one of the best in the country, and I credit
>>> their staff with saving my mom's life twice (once with an emergency
>>> brain surgery, the other when they found a bunch of cancer during the
>>> setup for the brain surgery).  All levels of doctors, surgeons,
>>> nurses, and support staff were amazing.
>>>
>>> The actual non-medical student base is full of a bunch of
>>> whackadoodles though ;-)
>>> --
>>> IgniteNet
>>> ca...@ignitenet.com
>>> www.ignitenet.com
>>> We're hiring!  Ping me.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> > Odd, those poor fragile students of Emory University are being scarred
>>> for
>>> > life my someone writing Trump 2016 on the walls with chalk.  My heck,
>>> we
>>> > better get some bubbles for them to live in and make sure all hard
>>> surfaces
>>> > are covered with a thick foam rubber coating.
>>> >
>>> > College students cannot be faced with anything unpleasant, it will
>>> damage
>>> > them, it is a crime against humanity to encourage critical thinking.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > (Only 11% of tenured college professors rank themselves as
>>> conservative and
>>> > most of them are over 50.  Younger conservative professors are
>>> repeatedly
>>> > passed over for full professorships and tenured positions at a rate of
>>> 8:1
>>> > compared to those who are openly liberal– from NPR)
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Emory University

[Faisal Imtiaz]

There is no secret to the fact that these are one of the first radios (outdoor 
PTP) utilizing the PERASO 60ghz Chipset. 
The USB3 Dongle may very well be the Peraso Ref. Design or modified version of 
it. 

I am curious as to why you think there should a serializer/deserializer ? and 
what would be feature short coming from this ? 

Regards 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 6:27:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Emory University

> It's shipping. Someone I know has one. Fun fact: Its 802.11ad chipset is on 
> the
> motherboard hanging off a consumer grade USB3 bridge chipset. There's no real
> serializer/deserializer like you would expect to see in a proper PTP radio
> product.

> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com >
> wrote:

>> Is the Metrolinq shipping yet? Any case studies?
>> On Mar 24, 2016 3:53 PM, "Caleb Knauer" < cknauer.li...@gmail.com > wrote:

>>> Their hospital system is one of the best in the country, and I credit
>>> their staff with saving my mom's life twice (once with an emergency
>>> brain surgery, the other when they found a bunch of cancer during the
>>> setup for the brain surgery). All levels of doctors, surgeons,
>>> nurses, and support staff were amazing.

>>> The actual non-medical student base is full of a bunch of
>>> whackadoodles though ;-)
>>> --
>>> IgniteNet
>>> ca...@ignitenet.com
>>> www.ignitenet.com
>>> We're hiring! Ping me.

>>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote:
>>> > Odd, those poor fragile students of Emory University are being scarred for
>>> > life my someone writing Trump 2016 on the walls with chalk. My heck, we
>>> > better get some bubbles for them to live in and make sure all hard 
>>> > surfaces
>>> > are covered with a thick foam rubber coating.

>>> > College students cannot be faced with anything unpleasant, it will damage
>>> > them, it is a crime against humanity to encourage critical thinking.


>>> > (Only 11% of tenured college professors rank themselves as conservative 
>>> > and
>>> > most of them are over 50. Younger conservative professors are repeatedly
>>> > passed over for full professorships and tenured positions at a rate of 8:1
>>> > compared to those who are openly liberal– from NPR)

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Caleb Knauer]

I think there's two sub-bands they use, what they call channels 1-6
and 7-12.  IIRC, the label that lists the PN shows the frequency
range, but that may have been one of their other models.  Been a
little bit since I laid hands on one.
--
IgniteNet
ca...@ignitenet.com
www.ignitenet.com
We're hiring!  Ping me.


On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Steve Utick  wrote:
> On the serial # sticker on the radio, one will have a L in the middle of the
> part number, and other will have a H in the middle.
>
> As for the sub bands, etc. you'd have to check part #'s on the radio to see
> what sub bands they are for and what frequencies that encompasses, and if
> it's within the new frequencies you are operating in or not.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
>>
>>
>>
>> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or
>> programmatically configured for high/low?
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t see that in the docs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>>
>>
>> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
>> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set to
>> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs can
>> be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you
>> rotated that one side.
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
>>
>> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
>>
>>
>>
>> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
>>
>>
>>
>> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both
>> radios, just reversed on the other side.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>>
>>
>> You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm checking, but yet, they should be.
>>
>> This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the
>> mountain, then this year put back up with one end in a different location
>> and under a different FCC license.
>>
>> So the things that were changed were the tx/rx frequencies (matching send
>> for both radios on a side and matching receive, just switched on each end)
>> and dBm now on both sides.
>>
>> Physically on one side we 'rotated' the antenna/mount 180 degrees to make
>> it a right handed mount instead of left handed.
>> That shouldn't matter, should it?
>>
>> I don't have management access available externally, or even able to
>> connect to the internet at this point in time, or I would.
>>
>> I could send screen shots I guess.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:36 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>> Are they on the same firmware?
>> That caused us a problem where they would not link.
>>
>> Can you give me remote access?  I could take a quick look and compare to
>> one of my links.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:33 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>> Hey guys, I am completely stumped at this point.
>>
>> I've tried three times to get this link working, to even show a brief blip
>> of anything showing up on the other side power wise.
>>
>> I have both radios ON and transmitting at full 24dBm.
>>
>> I don't see ANYTHING change on the other side of the link.
>>
>> This is with 3' dishes and about 8 miles out.
>>
>> All settings on both sides are the same except tx/rx frequencies swapped
>> of course.
>>
>> What am I missing?
>>
>> Is there some magic on/off switch or feature/function that I am
>> overlooking on these radios?
>>
>> GAAAH!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:13 PM
>> To: 'af@afmug.com' 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>>
>> Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?
>>
>> I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX
>> Mute.
>>
>> Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?
>>
>> And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only
>> have a pair of frequencies, 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Emory University

[Jaime Solorza]

Is the Metrolinq shipping yet? Any case studies?
On Mar 24, 2016 3:53 PM, "Caleb Knauer"  wrote:

> Their hospital system is one of the best in the country, and I credit
> their staff with saving my mom's life twice (once with an emergency
> brain surgery, the other when they found a bunch of cancer during the
> setup for the brain surgery).  All levels of doctors, surgeons,
> nurses, and support staff were amazing.
>
> The actual non-medical student base is full of a bunch of
> whackadoodles though ;-)
> --
> IgniteNet
> ca...@ignitenet.com
> www.ignitenet.com
> We're hiring!  Ping me.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> > Odd, those poor fragile students of Emory University are being scarred
> for
> > life my someone writing Trump 2016 on the walls with chalk.  My heck, we
> > better get some bubbles for them to live in and make sure all hard
> surfaces
> > are covered with a thick foam rubber coating.
> >
> > College students cannot be faced with anything unpleasant, it will damage
> > them, it is a crime against humanity to encourage critical thinking.
> >
> >
> > (Only 11% of tenured college professors rank themselves as conservative
> and
> > most of them are over 50.  Younger conservative professors are repeatedly
> > passed over for full professorships and tenured positions at a rate of
> 8:1
> > compared to those who are openly liberal– from NPR)
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Ken Hohhof]

Can you clarify what kind of VOIP Provider you are looking for?

Do you want a SIP trunk provider with origination and/or termination plus 
backoffice like DIDs and number porting?  And you will provide your own 
Asterisk box or other PBX?  This type of service will usually be priced 
$X/month per DID plus $Y per minute for origination and termination based on 
some rate deck.  Plus maybe some one-time fees for things like number 
porting and directory listings.


Or do you want a hosted virtual PBX that you just brand and resell?  You 
might be able to find this for a flat rate per month for unlimited domestic 
calling, subject to some restrictions about call centers.


And do you want business hosted PBX service to resell, or just residential 
single lines?



-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 3:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

Quick question -

For those of you on this list who currently have a voip provider, if
you could hit me up off list with what your current rates are, it
would be greatly appreciated.

Our VOIP provider is a personal friend, and has distributed switching
centers in several major US markets. He/We are considering rolling out
a portal platform for ISP, but we need a better idea of what people
are currently being charged so that we can make it as competitive as
possible. This is *strictly* research right now, we are not ready to
offer a product yet.

Thank you

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Steve  wrote:
Which VOIP provider do you use?  I seem to recall at a show couple years 
ago some of them would charge $6-8 a customer, do the support, and also 
provide the server.  I can't recall some of their names.


If so which ones do you use and which methodology do you recommend? 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Steve Utick]

On the serial # sticker on the radio, one will have a L in the middle of
the part number, and other will have a H in the middle.

As for the sub bands, etc. you'd have to check part #'s on the radio to see
what sub bands they are for and what frequencies that encompasses, and if
it's within the new frequencies you are operating in or not.


On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
>
>
>
> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or
> programmatically configured for high/low?
>
>
>
> I don’t see that in the docs.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ty Featherling
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
>
>
> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set to
> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs can
> be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you
> rotated that one side.
>
> -Ty
>
> -Ty
>
> On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
>
> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
>
>
>
> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
>
>
>
> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
>
>
>
> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both
> radios, just reversed on the other side.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ty Featherling
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
>
>
> You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> I'm checking, but yet, they should be.
>
> This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the
> mountain, then this year put back up with one end in a different location
> and under a different FCC license.
>
> So the things that were changed were the tx/rx frequencies (matching send
> for both radios on a side and matching receive, just switched on each end)
> and dBm now on both sides.
>
> Physically on one side we 'rotated' the antenna/mount 180 degrees to make
> it a right handed mount instead of left handed.
> That shouldn't matter, should it?
>
> I don't have management access available externally, or even able to
> connect to the internet at this point in time, or I would.
>
> I could send screen shots I guess.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:36 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
> Are they on the same firmware?
> That caused us a problem where they would not link.
>
> Can you give me remote access?  I could take a quick look and compare to
> one of my links.
>
> Adam
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:33 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
> Hey guys, I am completely stumped at this point.
>
> I've tried three times to get this link working, to even show a brief blip
> of anything showing up on the other side power wise.
>
> I have both radios ON and transmitting at full 24dBm.
>
> I don't see ANYTHING change on the other side of the link.
>
> This is with 3' dishes and about 8 miles out.
>
> All settings on both sides are the same except tx/rx frequencies swapped
> of course.
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Is there some magic on/off switch or feature/function that I am
> overlooking on these radios?
>
> GAAAH!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:13 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com' 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
> Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?
>
> I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX
> Mute.
>
> Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?
>
> And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only
> have a pair of frequencies, but two actual radios per side of this link.
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Emory University

[Caleb Knauer]

Their hospital system is one of the best in the country, and I credit
their staff with saving my mom's life twice (once with an emergency
brain surgery, the other when they found a bunch of cancer during the
setup for the brain surgery).  All levels of doctors, surgeons,
nurses, and support staff were amazing.

The actual non-medical student base is full of a bunch of
whackadoodles though ;-)
--
IgniteNet
ca...@ignitenet.com
www.ignitenet.com
We're hiring!  Ping me.


On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> Odd, those poor fragile students of Emory University are being scarred for
> life my someone writing Trump 2016 on the walls with chalk.  My heck, we
> better get some bubbles for them to live in and make sure all hard surfaces
> are covered with a thick foam rubber coating.
>
> College students cannot be faced with anything unpleasant, it will damage
> them, it is a crime against humanity to encourage critical thinking.
>
>
> (Only 11% of tenured college professors rank themselves as conservative and
> most of them are over 50.  Younger conservative professors are repeatedly
> passed over for full professorships and tenured positions at a rate of 8:1
> compared to those who are openly liberal– from NPR)

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I've got a massive IP20C manual that I'd be happy to send you Sterling.  Hit me 
off list if you want it.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Mar 24, 2016, at 4:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> Ok, so that’s a physical thing?
>  
> I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.
>  
> Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or 
> programmatically configured for high/low?
>  
> I don’t see that in the docs.
>  
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>  
> There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher 
> frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set to 
> transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs can 
> be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you 
> rotated that one side.
> 
> -Ty
> 
> -Ty
> 
> On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
>  
> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
>  
> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
>  
> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both radios, 
> just reversed on the other side.
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>  
> You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?
>  
> -Ty
> 
>  
>  
> -Ty
>  
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Sterling Jacobson  
> wrote:
> I'm checking, but yet, they should be.
> 
> This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the mountain, 
> then this year put back up with one end in a different location and under a 
> different FCC license.
> 
> So the things that were changed were the tx/rx frequencies (matching send for 
> both radios on a side and matching receive, just switched on each end) and 
> dBm now on both sides.
> 
> Physically on one side we 'rotated' the antenna/mount 180 degrees to make it 
> a right handed mount instead of left handed.
> That shouldn't matter, should it?
> 
> I don't have management access available externally, or even able to connect 
> to the internet at this point in time, or I would.
> 
> I could send screen shots I guess.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:36 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> 
> Are they on the same firmware?
> That caused us a problem where they would not link.
> 
> Can you give me remote access?  I could take a quick look and compare to one 
> of my links.
> 
> Adam
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:33 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> 
> Hey guys, I am completely stumped at this point.
> 
> I've tried three times to get this link working, to even show a brief blip of 
> anything showing up on the other side power wise.
> 
> I have both radios ON and transmitting at full 24dBm.
> 
> I don't see ANYTHING change on the other side of the link.
> 
> This is with 3' dishes and about 8 miles out.
> 
> All settings on both sides are the same except tx/rx frequencies swapped of 
> course.
> 
> What am I missing?
> 
> Is there some magic on/off switch or feature/function that I am overlooking 
> on these radios?
> 
> GAAAH!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:13 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com' 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
> 
> Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?
> 
> I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX Mute.
> 
> Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?
> 
> And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only have 
> a pair of frequencies, but two actual radios per side of this link.
> 
>  

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

[George Skorup]

Dude, there's interference everywhere in the 900 band. Cordless phones, 
baby monitors, security systems, smart meters, SCADA.. and the list goes on.


On 3/24/2016 11:23 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:


Are you talking about interference on the same tower or with other 
towers or devices.  I don’t think I’ll have interference issues from 
other sources.


Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:29 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

If you do 6 sectors, you're using the entire band and have nowhere to 
go when one or two sectors is experiencing interference. Or you have 
to drop down to 5MHz channel bandwidth which sucks. This is why we do 
4x90 clusters. Two channels with wiggle room. Of course that's FSK's 
8MHz channel width. I think a lot of people have found that 7MHz on 
the 450i works best.


On 3/24/2016 12:11 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:

No, I’m not complaining, I’ll use them.  I’ll figure out how to
hide them.  Still trying to figure out the deployment strategy on
a typical tower.  I have some learnin’ to do.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:08 PM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

Well, if you want small... there's these, I'm not sure I'd want to
try doing channel re-use with them though.

http://itelite.net/en/Katalog/900-MHz//SEC-XL0911DP.html


On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:35 PM, Eric Kuhnke
> wrote:

Any 900 sector is going to be huge

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:28 PM, Rory Conaway
> wrote:

I’m specifically interested in the 900Mhz, I thought that was the
450i, I didn’t know it covered 5.8GHz also.I also need maximum
bandwidth off the tower although I don’t know tower or other
mounting locations yet to determine if I need 360 degrees.  I
actually have more problems with aesthetics and those antennas are
going to be an issue due to the size.  Right now I’m interested in
throughput per antenna and what kind of throughput to expect with GPS.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Brandon Yuchasz
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:02 PM


*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

If you guys are talking about the 900mhz 450i 65 degree. Straight
from the horse’s mouth is the 65 and the 90 are the same antenna.
Just more role off to achieve the 90.  I have tested it outside of
the 65 degree but within the 90. I was not happy with the results.
One customer had to be put back onto FSK yesterday until we can
get another AP up or a true 90 degree. Just would not modulate up
and finally dropped off completely.

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:10 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

There's an OEM 90*...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 23, 2016 11:06 PM, "Rory Conaway" > wrote:

I looked at the 450i and noticed the sector antenna is 65 degrees.
Does that mean a typical tower installation uses 6 antennas?  In
that scenario, I’m assuming 10MHz channels if there is no
interference.  In that scenario, what is the available bandwidth
per AP assuming most users get pretty good signal.  Or is there a
better way to deploy the product?

*Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542 *

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

**

“I wish I could play little league now. I’d be way better than
before.”

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Sterling Jacobson]

Ok, so that’s a physical thing?

I had assumed that the radios/antennas could do the full 11GHz spectrum.

Does anyone know how to tell if this IP20C have to be physically or 
programmatically configured for high/low?

I don’t see that in the docs.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C


There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher 
frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set to 
transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs can be 
rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you rotated 
that one side.

-Ty

-Ty
On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
> wrote:
I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.

I don’t see anything saying High or Low.

I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.

Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both radios, 
just reversed on the other side.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ty Featherling
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?

-Ty



-Ty

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
I'm checking, but yet, they should be.

This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the mountain, 
then this year put back up with one end in a different location and under a 
different FCC license.

So the things that were changed were the tx/rx frequencies (matching send for 
both radios on a side and matching receive, just switched on each end) and dBm 
now on both sides.

Physically on one side we 'rotated' the antenna/mount 180 degrees to make it a 
right handed mount instead of left handed.
That shouldn't matter, should it?

I don't have management access available externally, or even able to connect to 
the internet at this point in time, or I would.

I could send screen shots I guess.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Are they on the same firmware?
That caused us a problem where they would not link.

Can you give me remote access?  I could take a quick look and compare to one of 
my links.

Adam

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Hey guys, I am completely stumped at this point.

I've tried three times to get this link working, to even show a brief blip of 
anything showing up on the other side power wise.

I have both radios ON and transmitting at full 24dBm.

I don't see ANYTHING change on the other side of the link.

This is with 3' dishes and about 8 miles out.

All settings on both sides are the same except tx/rx frequencies swapped of 
course.

What am I missing?

Is there some magic on/off switch or feature/function that I am overlooking on 
these radios?

GAAAH!

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:13 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' >
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?

I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX Mute.

Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?

And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only have a 
pair of frequencies, but two actual radios per side of this link.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

[Mathew Howard]

Around here, there's pretty much always strong noise on the top 4mhz or so
of the 900mhz band - if you run into that sort of thing, you'll still have
some room with 4 sectors to work around it, but if you're using the entire
band there won't be much you can do.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> Are you talking about interference on the same tower or with other towers
> or devices.  I don’t think I’ll have interference issues from other sources.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i
>
>
>
> If you do 6 sectors, you're using the entire band and have nowhere to go
> when one or two sectors is experiencing interference. Or you have to drop
> down to 5MHz channel bandwidth which sucks. This is why we do 4x90
> clusters. Two channels with wiggle room. Of course that's FSK's 8MHz
> channel width. I think a lot of people have found that 7MHz on the 450i
> works best.
>
> On 3/24/2016 12:11 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> No, I’m not complaining, I’ll use them.  I’ll figure out how to hide
> them.  Still trying to figure out the deployment strategy on a typical
> tower.  I have some learnin’ to do.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:08 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i
>
>
>
> Well, if you want small... there's these, I'm not sure I'd want to try
> doing channel re-use with them though.
>
> http://itelite.net/en/Katalog/900-MHz//SEC-XL0911DP.html
> 
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:35 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
> Any 900 sector is going to be huge
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:28 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> I’m specifically interested in the 900Mhz, I thought that was the 450i, I
> didn’t know it covered 5.8GHz also.I also need maximum bandwidth off
> the tower although I don’t know tower or other mounting locations yet to
> determine if I need 360 degrees.  I actually have more problems with
> aesthetics and those antennas are going to be an issue due to the size.
> Right now I’m interested in throughput per antenna and what kind of
> throughput to expect with GPS.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brandon Yuchasz
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:02 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i
>
>
>
> If you guys are talking about the 900mhz 450i 65 degree. Straight from the
> horse’s mouth is the 65 and the 90 are the same antenna. Just more role off
> to achieve the 90.  I have tested it outside of the 65 degree but within
> the 90. I was not happy with the results. One customer had to be put back
> onto FSK yesterday until we can get another AP up or a true 90 degree. Just
> would not modulate up and finally dropped off completely.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i
>
>
>
> There's an OEM 90*...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mar 23, 2016 11:06 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> I looked at the 450i and noticed the sector antenna is 65 degrees.  Does
> that mean a typical tower installation uses 6 antennas?  In that scenario,
> I’m assuming 10MHz channels if there is no interference.  In that scenario,
> what is the available bandwidth per AP assuming most users get pretty good
> signal.  Or is there a better way to deploy the product?
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <602-426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> “I wish I could play little league now.  I’d be way better than before.”
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Ty Featherling]

There should be a low side and a high side. One transmits at the higher
frequency and the other lower. I found out if you have the low one set to
transmit high it won't work. I can't remember on the ip20 but some ODUs can
be rotated to switch from high to low. That may be what you did when you
rotated that one side.

-Ty

-Ty
On Mar 24, 2016 2:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.
>
>
>
> I don’t see anything saying High or Low.
>
>
>
> I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.
>
>
>
> Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both
> radios, just reversed on the other side.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ty Featherling
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
>
>
> You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> I'm checking, but yet, they should be.
>
> This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the
> mountain, then this year put back up with one end in a different location
> and under a different FCC license.
>
> So the things that were changed were the tx/rx frequencies (matching send
> for both radios on a side and matching receive, just switched on each end)
> and dBm now on both sides.
>
> Physically on one side we 'rotated' the antenna/mount 180 degrees to make
> it a right handed mount instead of left handed.
> That shouldn't matter, should it?
>
> I don't have management access available externally, or even able to
> connect to the internet at this point in time, or I would.
>
> I could send screen shots I guess.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:36 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
> Are they on the same firmware?
> That caused us a problem where they would not link.
>
> Can you give me remote access?  I could take a quick look and compare to
> one of my links.
>
> Adam
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:33 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
> Hey guys, I am completely stumped at this point.
>
> I've tried three times to get this link working, to even show a brief blip
> of anything showing up on the other side power wise.
>
> I have both radios ON and transmitting at full 24dBm.
>
> I don't see ANYTHING change on the other side of the link.
>
> This is with 3' dishes and about 8 miles out.
>
> All settings on both sides are the same except tx/rx frequencies swapped
> of course.
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Is there some magic on/off switch or feature/function that I am
> overlooking on these radios?
>
> GAAAH!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:13 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com' 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C
>
> Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?
>
> I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX
> Mute.
>
> Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?
>
> And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only
> have a pair of frequencies, but two actual radios per side of this link.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Sterling Jacobson]

I’m not sure there is a parameter for that in this radio.

I don’t see anything saying High or Low.

I just see a tx/rx for each pair of radios in each side.

Per Ceragon instructions those are the same tx/rx settings for both radios, 
just reversed on the other side.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ty Featherling
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

You changed channels, it it still the right unit? High vs low?

-Ty



-Ty

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
I'm checking, but yet, they should be.

This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the mountain, 
then this year put back up with one end in a different location and under a 
different FCC license.

So the things that were changed were the tx/rx frequencies (matching send for 
both radios on a side and matching receive, just switched on each end) and dBm 
now on both sides.

Physically on one side we 'rotated' the antenna/mount 180 degrees to make it a 
right handed mount instead of left handed.
That shouldn't matter, should it?

I don't have management access available externally, or even able to connect to 
the internet at this point in time, or I would.

I could send screen shots I guess.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Are they on the same firmware?
That caused us a problem where they would not link.

Can you give me remote access?  I could take a quick look and compare to one of 
my links.

Adam

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Hey guys, I am completely stumped at this point.

I've tried three times to get this link working, to even show a brief blip of 
anything showing up on the other side power wise.

I have both radios ON and transmitting at full 24dBm.

I don't see ANYTHING change on the other side of the link.

This is with 3' dishes and about 8 miles out.

All settings on both sides are the same except tx/rx frequencies swapped of 
course.

What am I missing?

Is there some magic on/off switch or feature/function that I am overlooking on 
these radios?

GAAAH!

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:13 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' >
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?

I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX Mute.

Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?

And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only have a 
pair of frequencies, but two actual radios per side of this link.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP

[Josh Luthman]

If it works, don't fix it.  If the AP can't handle the customers, fix it.

If all of your CPEs are bridged or NATed (*NOT* mixed) you can do ePMP in
WiFi mode easily.  From what I gather they're not interested in supporting
both the way MT/UBNT APs go, so if you set every single Ubnt radio to do
WDS you can still set them to router mode.  Not sure if that's intended
behavior or a hack.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Whats your initial thoughts after you have compared both? Personally i
> would rather let the airmax stuff stay up, not enough difference to justify
> swapping working gear. The real only benefit is SYNC which may not even be
> an issue to some people...
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Isn't that whole discussion today about not bad mouthing vendors?! =P
>>
>> I am replacing some Ubnt with ePMP, not really overhauling everything due
>> to cost (yes I know ePMP is cheap, but that means it isn't free).  All new
>> APs have been ePMP for the last 18 months.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Josh,
>>>
>>> Are you ripping UBNT PtMP Airmax stuff out of your network and replacing
>>> it with ePMP?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 I believe the Sync Connectorized is a bit different than the
 force110/180/200 radios, otherwise the CPEs are the same.  They obviously
 redid the board for the Force 200 but I'm pretty sure I was told they're
 the same processor.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:32 PM, SmarterBroadband <
 li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:

> Is the processor (CPU power) the same in a Force 180 and 5.7 Force 200
> and a 5.7 Connectorized and a 5.7 Sync Connectorized?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>


>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Probably CTI, i am starting some testing with their VOIP offering right
now, if it works as i suspect going to be rolling it out here in next
couple months. Cost is $9/month for residential and $19-20 for business
DID's.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Steve  wrote:

> Which VOIP provider do you use?  I seem to recall at a show couple years
> ago some of them would charge $6-8 a customer, do the support, and also
> provide the server.  I can't recall some of their names.
>
> If so which ones do you use and which methodology do you recommend?
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Whats your initial thoughts after you have compared both? Personally i
would rather let the airmax stuff stay up, not enough difference to justify
swapping working gear. The real only benefit is SYNC which may not even be
an issue to some people...

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Isn't that whole discussion today about not bad mouthing vendors?! =P
>
> I am replacing some Ubnt with ePMP, not really overhauling everything due
> to cost (yes I know ePMP is cheap, but that means it isn't free).  All new
> APs have been ePMP for the last 18 months.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  > wrote:
>
>> Josh,
>>
>> Are you ripping UBNT PtMP Airmax stuff out of your network and replacing
>> it with ePMP?
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I believe the Sync Connectorized is a bit different than the
>>> force110/180/200 radios, otherwise the CPEs are the same.  They obviously
>>> redid the board for the Force 200 but I'm pretty sure I was told they're
>>> the same processor.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:32 PM, SmarterBroadband <
>>> li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 Is the processor (CPU power) the same in a Force 180 and 5.7 Force 200
 and a 5.7 Connectorized and a 5.7 Sync Connectorized?



 Thanks



 Adam

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Sterling Jacobson]

I'm checking, but yet, they should be.

This link was up and working last year, then it was removed off the mountain, 
then this year put back up with one end in a different location and under a 
different FCC license.

So the things that were changed were the tx/rx frequencies (matching send for 
both radios on a side and matching receive, just switched on each end) and dBm 
now on both sides.

Physically on one side we 'rotated' the antenna/mount 180 degrees to make it a 
right handed mount instead of left handed.
That shouldn't matter, should it?

I don't have management access available externally, or even able to connect to 
the internet at this point in time, or I would.

I could send screen shots I guess.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 12:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Are they on the same firmware?
That caused us a problem where they would not link.

Can you give me remote access?  I could take a quick look and compare to one of 
my links.

Adam 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Hey guys, I am completely stumped at this point.

I've tried three times to get this link working, to even show a brief blip of 
anything showing up on the other side power wise.

I have both radios ON and transmitting at full 24dBm.

I don't see ANYTHING change on the other side of the link.

This is with 3' dishes and about 8 miles out.

All settings on both sides are the same except tx/rx frequencies swapped of 
course.

What am I missing?

Is there some magic on/off switch or feature/function that I am overlooking on 
these radios?

GAAAH!

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:13 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?

I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX Mute.

Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?

And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only have a 
pair of frequencies, but two actual radios per side of this link.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Josh,

Are you ripping UBNT PtMP Airmax stuff out of your network and replacing it
with ePMP?

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I believe the Sync Connectorized is a bit different than the
> force110/180/200 radios, otherwise the CPEs are the same.  They obviously
> redid the board for the Force 200 but I'm pretty sure I was told they're
> the same processor.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:32 PM, SmarterBroadband <
> li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Is the processor (CPU power) the same in a Force 180 and 5.7 Force 200
>> and a 5.7 Connectorized and a 5.7 Sync Connectorized?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[SmarterBroadband]

Are they on the same firmware?
That caused us a problem where they would not link.

Can you give me remote access?  I could take a quick look and compare to one
of my links.

Adam 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Hey guys, I am completely stumped at this point.

I've tried three times to get this link working, to even show a brief blip
of anything showing up on the other side power wise.

I have both radios ON and transmitting at full 24dBm.

I don't see ANYTHING change on the other side of the link.

This is with 3' dishes and about 8 miles out.

All settings on both sides are the same except tx/rx frequencies swapped of
course.

What am I missing?

Is there some magic on/off switch or feature/function that I am overlooking
on these radios?

GAAAH!

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:13 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?

I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX
Mute.

Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?

And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only have
a pair of frequencies, but two actual radios per side of this link.

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP

[Josh Luthman]

I believe the Sync Connectorized is a bit different than the
force110/180/200 radios, otherwise the CPEs are the same.  They obviously
redid the board for the Force 200 but I'm pretty sure I was told they're
the same processor.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:32 PM, SmarterBroadband <
li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:

> Is the processor (CPU power) the same in a Force 180 and 5.7 Force 200 and
> a 5.7 Connectorized and a 5.7 Sync Connectorized?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>

[AFMUG] ePMP

[SmarterBroadband]

Is the processor (CPU power) the same in a Force 180 and 5.7 Force 200 and a
5.7 Connectorized and a 5.7 Sync Connectorized?

 

Thanks

 

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

[Sterling Jacobson]

Hey guys, I am completely stumped at this point.

I've tried three times to get this link working, to even show a brief blip of 
anything showing up on the other side power wise.

I have both radios ON and transmitting at full 24dBm.

I don't see ANYTHING change on the other side of the link.

This is with 3' dishes and about 8 miles out.

All settings on both sides are the same except tx/rx frequencies swapped of 
course.

What am I missing?

Is there some magic on/off switch or feature/function that I am overlooking on 
these radios?

GAAAH!

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:13 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C

Anyone around today that has configured and aimed these before?

I'm in the web page under Radio Parameters and I'm confused about the TX Mute.

Should that be ON to allow the radios to talk? Or OFF?

And I'm unsure on XPIC, I think I have it so it should work, but I only have a 
pair of frequencies, but two actual radios per side of this link.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

[Steve]

I do think some devices do provide the modulation level but not all.  Mainly 
the newer backhauls.  

I'm looking at having more health sensors added so we can get alerts when 
certain thresholds are hit - instead of just graphs.  



- Original Message -
From: "Rory Conaway" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 1:40:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

Modulation level and ccq%.  I love the Airmax color grids in Aircontrol for 
example, for a quick glance to see poor quality or degraded links.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 9:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

Ethernet status and health

10/100/1000 status
Duplex status
Ethernet errors (of various types)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

Also there is an discussion going on.  

What would you consider the 3 top things that all wireless devices (for the 
most part) share when it comes to the "health" of a wireless device? 

So far IMHO in our industry to start it would be 

1) Signal, Power level RSSI in some cases - measured in dBm
2) SNR (Signal to Noise Ratio)
3) GPS status Sync or no sync .. that is the question.  


What else would you consider more important that is pretty much global across 
all wireless devices?


- Original Message -
From: "Steve" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 10:46:48 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

Nope not yet.  We are making some minor changes and going back and forth at the 
moment before it gets merged.  We'll use a temp icon at first if we have to.  

Any Cambium employees watching?



- Original Message -
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 8:55:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

Did you get someone from Cambium? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 8:51:42 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS 

Forgot to mention limited support for CMM 3.x and 4.x. We need to add all the 
network info, but it does graph the GPS stats. More will be coming. 

Also some devices graph CRC errors, jitter, data rate, modulation mode, SSR, 
temperature and other indicators we thought would be useful to monitor. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 9:40:44 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS 

On a side note - anyone have any Cambium contacts on the list I can talk to 
about getting permission to use their logo? 

We've added our first pass at detection and graphing for these series of 
devices. (Pretty much only the devices we had access to immediately) 

PMP100 (AP and SM) 
PMP450(AP and SM) 
EPMP (AP and SM) 
PTP 100 
PTP 200/230 
PTP 250 
PTP 450 
PTP 650 
EPTP 

We are just putting in our pull request today so it should take a day or so to 
get merged into the main branch. This is far superior to Observium's limited 
support (actually all it really adds is limited detection). 

We have actually added "Signal" as a sensor under "Health" and you can set up a 
notification for each device if a signal drops below your predefined threshold. 
Since most of us use some form of signal as a measure of how good a connection 
is it made sense to make it a sensor. 

We are also considering adding GPS status under health, as well as SNR (for 
those devices that support it). 

We are asking for your feedback and help in testing the bugs, and how to 
improve the look/feel. 

Here are a couple screen shots (we only focused on getting it working and not 
really how it looked immediately) 

http://imgur.com/a/CtTXy 


FYI this is a shared list account so myself or others here may respond to you. 
If you wish to contact me directly I can be reached at steve at wavedirect dot 
net 

-- 
Steven Kenney 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283)

[AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Steve]

Which VOIP provider do you use?  I seem to recall at a show couple years ago 
some of them would charge $6-8 a customer, do the support, and also provide the 
server.  I can't recall some of their names.  

If so which ones do you use and which methodology do you recommend? 

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Lol, I was talking about that to my Irish buddy . They'd be like, oh so you
have a little sweater bomb, how cute
On Mar 24, 2016 11:46 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> I'm still waiting for the day when ISIS tries to show up in Northern
> Ireland ;)
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> > I think the Israelis are more organized than Belgians.
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 3/22/2016 4:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> >
> > One of them was also hurt or almost hurt in the Boston bombing.  He is
> from
> > my local area.
> > Need to pray for the Belgians too.
> > And for the leaders of the EU to get a bit more inventive in solutions.
> >
> > How come this never happens in Israel?
> >
> > From: Jaime Solorza
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:00 PM
> > To: Animal Farm
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah
> >
> >
> > Apparently three Mormon elders and US military family on mission hurt in
> > bombings... will pray for them...
> >
> > On Mar 22, 2016 4:58 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Cool
> >>
> >> On Mar 22, 2016 4:57 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yeah, the CIA has a “men who stare at goats” division that will help
> with
> >>> that.
> >>>
> >>> From: Jaime Solorza
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:55 PM
> >>> To: Animal Farm
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Through a medium?
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 22, 2016 4:52 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
> 
>  Cruz is doing it too:
> 
>  "We need to empower law enforcement to patrol and secure Muslim
>  neighborhoods before they become radicalized," Cruz said in a
> statement
>  Tuesday morning.
> 
>  How exactly can you prevent anyone from becoming radicalized with LEA
>  patrols?  That is likely to push someone over the edge into being
>  radicalized.
> 
>  I am going to write in Rob Ford.
> 
>  From: Chuck McCown
>  Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:49 PM
>  To: af@afmug.com
>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah
> 
>  I have heard more reasoned discourse from toothless drunken rednecks
>  sitting in lawn chairs shooting holes in the rusting car body in
> their front
>  yard.
> 
>  From: Chuck McCown
>  Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:45 PM
>  To: af@afmug.com
>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah
> 
>  “Trump also called into Fox Business Network's Mornings with Maria
>  Bartiromo saying that the US must have surveillance of Muslims in this
>  country, particularly at mosques.”
> 
> 
>  Deploy the national guard to mosques?
>  Or shall the FBI put bugs and cameras in them all?
>  Internment camps is a much better solution... gheeze.
>  How do  you test for Islam?  Big noses?
> 
>  Follow everyone that buys dates at the supermarket.
>  Ban beards?
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Jaime Solorza
>  Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:36 PM
>  To: Animal Farm
>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah
> 
> 
>  Yep...  I don't revise history... I do not represent any of the
>  revisionist views from our Texas Board of Education... except maybe
>  dinosaurs on Noah's Ark...if I am going to be whacko might as well
> make it a
>  good one.   Sas
> 
>  On Mar 22, 2016 4:30 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>  So were all the early KKK guys democrats?
> 
>  -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
>  Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:28 PM
>  To: af@afmug.com
>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah
> 
>  KIND of...
> 
>  Lincoln actually would have been more of a Democrat. The parties
>  actually swapped platforms.
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html
> 
>  On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Jaime Solorza
>   wrote:
>  Millions being spent by Republicans that don't want Trumpwe are
> just
>  amused observers watching you guys destroy Lincoln's party by now
> he
>  is
>  spinning in his grave at centrifuge speed.
> 
>  On Mar 22, 2016 4:03 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Wow...an honest observer...kudos
> 
>  On Mar 22, 2016 3:13 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
> 
>  um those ads with trump's wife were paid for by the romney super pac
>  that
>  is trying to stop trump...not the left, unless you go too far right
> that
>  you
>  swing all the way around to the left lol.
> 
>  On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 9:43 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>   wrote:
> 
>  I do like the insult the anti trump movement perpetrated on the
> mormons
>  with the ad 

Re: [AFMUG] Spring Break - Stay at home and watch movies

[Jaime Solorza]

some resort towns are clamping down on drinking due to wild stuff going on
so maybe usage going to be higher than normal

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> Some of our customer school districts, maybe half, are on Spring break
> this week.  Overnight bandwidth usage is up by about 30% this week.  Good
> thing all the schools aren't out at the same time.
>

[AFMUG] Spring Break - Stay at home and watch movies

[Nate Burke]

Some of our customer school districts, maybe half, are on Spring break 
this week.  Overnight bandwidth usage is up by about 30% this week.  
Good thing all the schools aren't out at the same time.

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah

[Jaime Solorza]

To quote, "Here in Chicago gang violence is a much bigger problem, but
people accept it because mostly the gangs shoot at each other, or
bystanders from their own neighborhoods." the LA police would delay
responding to gang shootings in East LA so that a few would be killed in
this gang fights and have less of them to deal with later.
Unfortunately lots of non gang bangers caught in cross firesame thing
with Compton and other places...
whether drugs or religion fueled,  its wrong.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Probably 80% of this situation looks just like problems we have in our own
> country with poor racially divided neighborhoods that have high
> unemployment, gang violence, drug dealers, etc., and maybe 20% looks like
> an Islamic extremist connection.  Even that connection reminds me of when I
> was around 20 years old and had friends who would join cults, luckily most
> cults were non-violent, but there was Manson and Jim Jones and David
> Koresh.  This type of violence, plus youths susceptible to manipulation,
> have always been with us (and social media and the Internet make it
> easier), but we treat it as a totally new and unique phenomenon because of
> the Islamic connection.
>
> Are these bombers religious zealots going to the mosque, living a devout
> life, and harboring a grudge against the west?  No - they drink, smoke
> weed, deal hashish, they are losers who are manipulated by groups like ISIS.
>
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3322385/Ex-wife-Comptoir-Voltaire-caf-bomber-reveals-jobless-layabout-spent-day-bed-smoking-pot-French-say-blew-mistake-fiddling-suicide-vest.html
>
> Here in Chicago gang violence is a much bigger problem, but people accept
> it because mostly the gangs shoot at each other, or bystanders from their
> own neighborhoods.  Lately with the police backing off the shootings have
> spilled over into the downtown business/shopping/hotel district, which is
> causing some alarm.  That’s probably the other thing about the terrorist
> bombings, if they were just blowing each other up in Molenbeek, people
> would not be so alarmed, but they are blowing up airports and night clubs.
>
> Here’s an article that sums it up nicely, calling them “gangster jihadis”:
>
> http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35890960
>
>
>
> *From:* Stefan Englhardt 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 10:45 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah
>
>
> Belgium is a small country which has problems with different cultures by
> themselfes.
>
> They are half netherland and half french and a very small part speaks
> german. They
>
> dont speak the same language! They got problems to build a government.
>
>
>
> This goes back until 18xx.
>
>
>
> Some countries should split and the parts should be part of EU to keep
> things together
>
> without hating each other.
>
>
>
> Having an islamistic szene in this situation is a very bad thing as they
> have problems enough
>
> without this nobrainers killing themselfe to kill others.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Jason McKemie
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 24. März 2016 16:01
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah
>
>
>
> A lot more apparently. Sounds like the Belgians have been brewing
> something like this for a while. Pardon the pun, I didn't realize it until
> it was already on the screen. They either were willingly looking the other
> way while areas of the country were radicalized, or they didn't have the
> resources to do anything about it. They were safe from the threat for a
> while, but then when they had to crack down due to people from these
> neighborhoods committing atrocities elsewhere they were in a very bad place
> from a retaliatory perspective.
>
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2016, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> I think the Israelis are more organized than Belgians.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/22/2016 4:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> One of them was also hurt or almost hurt in the Boston bombing.  He is
> from my local area.
>
> Need to pray for the Belgians too.
>
> And for the leaders of the EU to get a bit more inventive in solutions.
>
>
>
> How come this never happens in Israel?
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:00 PM
>
> *To:* Animal Farm
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah
>
>
>
> Apparently three Mormon elders and US military family on mission hurt in
> bombings... will pray for them...
>
> On Mar 22, 2016 4:58 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <
> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','losguyswirel...@gmail.com');> wrote:
>
> Cool
>
> On Mar 22, 2016 4:57 PM, "Chuck McCown" <
> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote:
>
> Yeah, the CIA has a “men who stare at goats” division that will help with
> that.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

[Paul McCall]

Ethernet status and health

10/100/1000 status
Duplex status
Ethernet errors (of various types)

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

Also there is an discussion going on.  

What would you consider the 3 top things that all wireless devices (for the 
most part) share when it comes to the "health" of a wireless device? 

So far IMHO in our industry to start it would be 

1) Signal, Power level RSSI in some cases - measured in dBm
2) SNR (Signal to Noise Ratio)
3) GPS status Sync or no sync .. that is the question.  


What else would you consider more important that is pretty much global across 
all wireless devices?


- Original Message -
From: "Steve" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 10:46:48 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

Nope not yet.  We are making some minor changes and going back and forth at the 
moment before it gets merged.  We'll use a temp icon at first if we have to.  

Any Cambium employees watching?



- Original Message -
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 8:55:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

Did you get someone from Cambium? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 8:51:42 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS 

Forgot to mention limited support for CMM 3.x and 4.x. We need to add all the 
network info, but it does graph the GPS stats. More will be coming. 

Also some devices graph CRC errors, jitter, data rate, modulation mode, SSR, 
temperature and other indicators we thought would be useful to monitor. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 9:40:44 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS 

On a side note - anyone have any Cambium contacts on the list I can talk to 
about getting permission to use their logo? 

We've added our first pass at detection and graphing for these series of 
devices. (Pretty much only the devices we had access to immediately) 

PMP100 (AP and SM) 
PMP450(AP and SM) 
EPMP (AP and SM) 
PTP 100 
PTP 200/230 
PTP 250 
PTP 450 
PTP 650 
EPTP 

We are just putting in our pull request today so it should take a day or so to 
get merged into the main branch. This is far superior to Observium's limited 
support (actually all it really adds is limited detection). 

We have actually added "Signal" as a sensor under "Health" and you can set up a 
notification for each device if a signal drops below your predefined threshold. 
Since most of us use some form of signal as a measure of how good a connection 
is it made sense to make it a sensor. 

We are also considering adding GPS status under health, as well as SNR (for 
those devices that support it). 

We are asking for your feedback and help in testing the bugs, and how to 
improve the look/feel. 

Here are a couple screen shots (we only focused on getting it working and not 
really how it looked immediately) 

http://imgur.com/a/CtTXy 


FYI this is a shared list account so myself or others here may respond to you. 
If you wish to contact me directly I can be reached at steve at wavedirect dot 
net 

-- 
Steven Kenney 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283)

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah

[Josh Reynolds]

I'm still waiting for the day when ISIS tries to show up in Northern Ireland ;)

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> I think the Israelis are more organized than Belgians.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 3/22/2016 4:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> One of them was also hurt or almost hurt in the Boston bombing.  He is from
> my local area.
> Need to pray for the Belgians too.
> And for the leaders of the EU to get a bit more inventive in solutions.
>
> How come this never happens in Israel?
>
> From: Jaime Solorza
> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:00 PM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah
>
>
> Apparently three Mormon elders and US military family on mission hurt in
> bombings... will pray for them...
>
> On Mar 22, 2016 4:58 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>>
>> Cool
>>
>> On Mar 22, 2016 4:57 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, the CIA has a “men who stare at goats” division that will help with
>>> that.
>>>
>>> From: Jaime Solorza
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:55 PM
>>> To: Animal Farm
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah
>>>
>>>
>>> Through a medium?
>>>
>>> On Mar 22, 2016 4:52 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

 Cruz is doing it too:

 "We need to empower law enforcement to patrol and secure Muslim
 neighborhoods before they become radicalized," Cruz said in a statement
 Tuesday morning.

 How exactly can you prevent anyone from becoming radicalized with LEA
 patrols?  That is likely to push someone over the edge into being
 radicalized.

 I am going to write in Rob Ford.

 From: Chuck McCown
 Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:49 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah

 I have heard more reasoned discourse from toothless drunken rednecks
 sitting in lawn chairs shooting holes in the rusting car body in their 
 front
 yard.

 From: Chuck McCown
 Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:45 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah

 “Trump also called into Fox Business Network's Mornings with Maria
 Bartiromo saying that the US must have surveillance of Muslims in this
 country, particularly at mosques.”


 Deploy the national guard to mosques?
 Or shall the FBI put bugs and cameras in them all?
 Internment camps is a much better solution... gheeze.
 How do  you test for Islam?  Big noses?

 Follow everyone that buys dates at the supermarket.
 Ban beards?



 From: Jaime Solorza
 Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:36 PM
 To: Animal Farm
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah


 Yep...  I don't revise history... I do not represent any of the
 revisionist views from our Texas Board of Education... except maybe
 dinosaurs on Noah's Ark...if I am going to be whacko might as well make it 
 a
 good one.   Sas

 On Mar 22, 2016 4:30 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
 So were all the early KKK guys democrats?

 -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
 Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:28 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah

 KIND of...

 Lincoln actually would have been more of a Democrat. The parties
 actually swapped platforms.


 http://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html

 On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Jaime Solorza
  wrote:
 Millions being spent by Republicans that don't want Trumpwe are just
 amused observers watching you guys destroy Lincoln's party by now he
 is
 spinning in his grave at centrifuge speed.

 On Mar 22, 2016 4:03 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

 Wow...an honest observer...kudos

 On Mar 22, 2016 3:13 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:

 um those ads with trump's wife were paid for by the romney super pac
 that
 is trying to stop trump...not the left, unless you go too far right that
 you
 swing all the way around to the left lol.

 On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 9:43 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
  wrote:

 I do like the insult the anti trump movement perpetrated on the mormons
 with the ad featuring his wife nude. Pandering at its finest, shows the
 left
 views mormons as one step above an amoeba in terms of intellect.

 On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

 You could always vote for Bernie.  ;)

 On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Steve  wrote:

 Well you guys get to vote for a career criminal / pathological liar
 or a sociopath narcissist.

 God 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

[Steve]

Matt managed to take care of it for me.  Thanks guys.  

- Original Message -
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:17:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

There are some Cambium lurkers such as Aaron Schneider and Matt 
Mangriottis (sp?).  Whether they are actively reading your post is hard 
to say of course.
For permission to use their logo, I imagine Matt would be the one to 
reach out to.  Search the archive for his email address?


On 3/24/2016 10:55 AM, Steve wrote:
> Also there is an discussion going on.
>
> What would you consider the 3 top things that all wireless devices (for the 
> most part) share when it comes to the "health" of a wireless device?
>
> So far IMHO in our industry to start it would be
>
> 1) Signal, Power level RSSI in some cases - measured in dBm
> 2) SNR (Signal to Noise Ratio)
> 3) GPS status Sync or no sync .. that is the question.
>
>
> What else would you consider more important that is pretty much global across 
> all wireless devices?
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 10:46:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS
>
> Nope not yet.  We are making some minor changes and going back and forth at 
> the moment before it gets merged.  We'll use a temp icon at first if we have 
> to.
>
> Any Cambium employees watching?
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 8:55:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS
>
> Did you get someone from Cambium?
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
>
> The Brothers WISP
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Steve" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 8:51:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS
>
> Forgot to mention limited support for CMM 3.x and 4.x. We need to add all the 
> network info, but it does graph the GPS stats. More will be coming.
>
> Also some devices graph CRC errors, jitter, data rate, modulation mode, SSR, 
> temperature and other indicators we thought would be useful to monitor.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 9:40:44 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS
>
> On a side note - anyone have any Cambium contacts on the list I can talk to 
> about getting permission to use their logo?
>
> We've added our first pass at detection and graphing for these series of 
> devices. (Pretty much only the devices we had access to immediately)
>
> PMP100 (AP and SM)
> PMP450(AP and SM)
> EPMP (AP and SM)
> PTP 100
> PTP 200/230
> PTP 250
> PTP 450
> PTP 650
> EPTP
>
> We are just putting in our pull request today so it should take a day or so 
> to get merged into the main branch. This is far superior to Observium's 
> limited support (actually all it really adds is limited detection).
>
> We have actually added "Signal" as a sensor under "Health" and you can set up 
> a notification for each device if a signal drops below your predefined 
> threshold. Since most of us use some form of signal as a measure of how good 
> a connection is it made sense to make it a sensor.
>
> We are also considering adding GPS status under health, as well as SNR (for 
> those devices that support it).
>
> We are asking for your feedback and help in testing the bugs, and how to 
> improve the look/feel.
>
> Here are a couple screen shots (we only focused on getting it working and not 
> really how it looked immediately)
>
> http://imgur.com/a/CtTXy
>
>
> FYI this is a shared list account so myself or others here may respond to 
> you. If you wish to contact me directly I can be reached at steve at 
> wavedirect dot net
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

[Rory Conaway]

Are you talking about interference on the same tower or with other towers or 
devices.  I don’t think I’ll have interference issues from other sources.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

If you do 6 sectors, you're using the entire band and have nowhere to go when 
one or two sectors is experiencing interference. Or you have to drop down to 
5MHz channel bandwidth which sucks. This is why we do 4x90 clusters. Two 
channels with wiggle room. Of course that's FSK's 8MHz channel width. I think a 
lot of people have found that 7MHz on the 450i works best.
On 3/24/2016 12:11 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
No, I’m not complaining, I’ll use them.  I’ll figure out how to hide them.  
Still trying to figure out the deployment strategy on a typical tower.  I have 
some learnin’ to do.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:08 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

Well, if you want small... there's these, I'm not sure I'd want to try doing 
channel re-use with them though.

http://itelite.net/en/Katalog/900-MHz//SEC-XL0911DP.html

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:35 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
Any 900 sector is going to be huge

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 9:28 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
I’m specifically interested in the 900Mhz, I thought that was the 450i, I 
didn’t know it covered 5.8GHz also.I also need maximum bandwidth off the 
tower although I don’t know tower or other mounting locations yet to determine 
if I need 360 degrees.  I actually have more problems with aesthetics and those 
antennas are going to be an issue due to the size.  Right now I’m interested in 
throughput per antenna and what kind of throughput to expect with GPS.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Brandon Yuchasz
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:02 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i

If you guys are talking about the 900mhz 450i 65 degree. Straight from the 
horse’s mouth is the 65 and the 90 are the same antenna. Just more role off to 
achieve the 90.  I have tested it outside of the 65 degree but within the 90. I 
was not happy with the results. One customer had to be put back onto FSK 
yesterday until we can get another AP up or a true 90 degree. Just would not 
modulate up and finally dropped off completely.


Best regards,
Brandon Yuchasz
GogebicRange.net
www.gogebicrange.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 10:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450i


There's an OEM 90*...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 23, 2016 11:06 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
I looked at the 450i and noticed the sector antenna is 65 degrees.  Does that 
mean a typical tower installation uses 6 antennas?  In that scenario, I’m 
assuming 10MHz channels if there is no interference.  In that scenario, what is 
the available bandwidth per AP assuming most users get pretty good signal.  Or 
is there a better way to deploy the product?

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“I wish I could play little league now.  I’d be way better than before.”

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah

[Ken Hohhof]

Probably 80% of this situation looks just like problems we have in our own 
country with poor racially divided neighborhoods that have high unemployment, 
gang violence, drug dealers, etc., and maybe 20% looks like an Islamic 
extremist connection.  Even that connection reminds me of when I was around 20 
years old and had friends who would join cults, luckily most cults were 
non-violent, but there was Manson and Jim Jones and David Koresh.  This type of 
violence, plus youths susceptible to manipulation, have always been with us 
(and social media and the Internet make it easier), but we treat it as a 
totally new and unique phenomenon because of the Islamic connection.

Are these bombers religious zealots going to the mosque, living a devout life, 
and harboring a grudge against the west?  No - they drink, smoke weed, deal 
hashish, they are losers who are manipulated by groups like ISIS.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3322385/Ex-wife-Comptoir-Voltaire-caf-bomber-reveals-jobless-layabout-spent-day-bed-smoking-pot-French-say-blew-mistake-fiddling-suicide-vest.html

Here in Chicago gang violence is a much bigger problem, but people accept it 
because mostly the gangs shoot at each other, or bystanders from their own 
neighborhoods.  Lately with the police backing off the shootings have spilled 
over into the downtown business/shopping/hotel district, which is causing some 
alarm.  That’s probably the other thing about the terrorist bombings, if they 
were just blowing each other up in Molenbeek, people would not be so alarmed, 
but they are blowing up airports and night clubs.

Here’s an article that sums it up nicely, calling them “gangster jihadis”:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35890960



From: Stefan Englhardt 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 10:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah

Belgium is a small country which has problems with different cultures by 
themselfes.

They are half netherland and half french and a very small part speaks german. 
They

dont speak the same language! They got problems to build a government.

 

This goes back until 18xx.

 

Some countries should split and the parts should be part of EU to keep things 
together

without hating each other. 

 

Having an islamistic szene in this situation is a very bad thing as they have 
problems enough

without this nobrainers killing themselfe to kill others.

 

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jason McKemie
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. März 2016 16:01
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah

 

A lot more apparently. Sounds like the Belgians have been brewing something 
like this for a while. Pardon the pun, I didn't realize it until it was already 
on the screen. They either were willingly looking the other way while areas of 
the country were radicalized, or they didn't have the resources to do anything 
about it. They were safe from the threat for a while, but then when they had to 
crack down due to people from these neighborhoods committing atrocities 
elsewhere they were in a very bad place from a retaliatory perspective.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2016, Bill Prince  wrote:

  I think the Israelis are more organized than Belgians.



bp On 3/22/2016 4:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

One of them was also hurt or almost hurt in the Boston bombing.  He is from 
my local area.  

Need to pray for the Belgians too.  

And for the leaders of the EU to get a bit more inventive in solutions.  

 

How come this never happens in Israel?

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:00 PM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah

 

Apparently three Mormon elders and US military family on mission hurt in 
bombings... will pray for them... 

On Mar 22, 2016 4:58 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

  Cool

  On Mar 22, 2016 4:57 PM, "Chuck McCown" 
 wrote:

Yeah, the CIA has a “men who stare at goats” division that will help 
with that.  

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:55 PM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah

 

Through a medium?

On Mar 22, 2016 4:52 PM, "Chuck McCown" 
 wrote:

  Cruz is doing it too:

  "We need to empower law enforcement to patrol and secure Muslim 
neighborhoods before they become radicalized," Cruz said in a statement Tuesday 
morning. 

  How exactly can you prevent anyone from becoming radicalized with LEA 
 patrols?  That is likely to push someone over the edge into being radicalized. 
 

   

  I am going to write in Rob Ford.

   

  From: Chuck McCown 

  

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

[Rory Conaway]

According to what I’ve read, they stopped the 5GHz expansion and are looking 
hard at 60GHz.  The division is floundering with no clear strategy and poor 
technical advice.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 6:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

Did not turn the existing network off, but it is slowly dying via attrition.

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 7:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

So they are no longer expanding to new areas?  Not adding new customers?  Or 
turned the network and existing customers off?

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 11:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

They are testing their next generation.  Could have called us and saved $50M 
dollars.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

For now.

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

Vivint broadband is kaput?

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

Yes, solar is separate division.
Solar was going to sell, but the buyer has some questionable financials so the 
deal died.
Vivint broadband died due to a crappy homegrown radio platform.
They may be trying to retool but they lost some good talent.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 6:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Interesting article

http://247wallst.com/energy-business/2016/03/22/vivint-solar-secures-200-million-loan/?

Is Vivint Internet done by a separate division?  And did the solar division 
take a dive because of tax subsidies being reduced.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“I wish I could play little league now.  I’d be way better than before.”

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

[Matt Mangriotis]

We're good. 

If you need me, you can even just use m...@cambiumnetworks.com

I already traded emails with Steve.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

Try matt  mangriotis  cambiumnetworks.com

-Original Message-
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 10:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

There are some Cambium lurkers such as Aaron Schneider and Matt Mangriottis 
(sp?).  Whether they are actively reading your post is hard to say of course.
For permission to use their logo, I imagine Matt would be the one to reach out 
to.  Search the archive for his email address?


On 3/24/2016 10:55 AM, Steve wrote:
> Also there is an discussion going on.
>
> What would you consider the 3 top things that all wireless devices 
> (for the most part) share when it comes to the "health" of a wireless device?
>
> So far IMHO in our industry to start it would be
>
> 1) Signal, Power level RSSI in some cases - measured in dBm
> 2) SNR (Signal to Noise Ratio)
> 3) GPS status Sync or no sync .. that is the question.
>
>
> What else would you consider more important that is pretty much global 
> across all wireless devices?
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 10:46:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS
>
> Nope not yet.  We are making some minor changes and going back and 
> forth at the moment before it gets merged.  We'll use a temp icon at 
> first if we have to.
>
> Any Cambium employees watching?
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 8:55:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS
>
> Did you get someone from Cambium?
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
>
> The Brothers WISP
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Steve" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 8:51:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS
>
> Forgot to mention limited support for CMM 3.x and 4.x. We need to add 
> all the network info, but it does graph the GPS stats. More will be coming.
>
> Also some devices graph CRC errors, jitter, data rate, modulation 
> mode, SSR, temperature and other indicators we thought would be useful 
> to monitor.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 9:40:44 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS
>
> On a side note - anyone have any Cambium contacts on the list I can 
> talk to about getting permission to use their logo?
>
> We've added our first pass at detection and graphing for these series 
> of devices. (Pretty much only the devices we had access to 
> immediately)
>
> PMP100 (AP and SM)
> PMP450(AP and SM)
> EPMP (AP and SM)
> PTP 100
> PTP 200/230
> PTP 250
> PTP 450
> PTP 650
> EPTP
>
> We are just putting in our pull request today so it should take a day 
> or so to get merged into the main branch. This is far superior to 
> Observium's limited support (actually all it really adds is limited 
> detection).
>
> We have actually added "Signal" as a sensor under "Health" and you can 
> set up a notification for each device if a signal drops below your 
> predefined threshold. Since most of us use some form of signal as a 
> measure of how good a connection is it made sense to make it a sensor.
>
> We are also considering adding GPS status under health, as well as SNR 
> (for those devices that support it).
>
> We are asking for your feedback and help in testing the bugs, and how 
> to improve the look/feel.
>
> Here are a couple screen shots (we only focused on getting it working 
> and not really how it looked immediately)
>
> http://imgur.com/a/CtTXy
>
>
> FYI this is a shared list account so myself or others here may respond 
> to you. If you wish to contact me directly I can be reached at steve 
> at wavedirect dot net
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah

[Stefan Englhardt]

Belgium is a small country which has problems with different cultures by 
themselfes.

They are half netherland and half french and a very small part speaks german. 
They

dont speak the same language! They got problems to build a government.



This goes back until 18xx.



Some countries should split and the parts should be part of EU to keep things 
together

without hating each other.



Having an islamistic szene in this situation is a very bad thing as they have 
problems enough

without this nobrainers killing themselfe to kill others.







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jason McKemie
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. März 2016 16:01
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah



A lot more apparently. Sounds like the Belgians have been brewing something 
like this for a while. Pardon the pun, I didn't realize it until it was already 
on the screen. They either were willingly looking the other way while areas of 
the country were radicalized, or they didn't have the resources to do anything 
about it. They were safe from the threat for a while, but then when they had to 
crack down due to people from these neighborhoods committing atrocities 
elsewhere they were in a very bad place from a retaliatory perspective.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2016, Bill Prince  > wrote:

I think the Israelis are more organized than Belgians.



bp



On 3/22/2016 4:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

One of them was also hurt or almost hurt in the Boston bombing.  He is from my 
local area.

Need to pray for the Belgians too.

And for the leaders of the EU to get a bit more inventive in solutions.



How come this never happens in Israel?



From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:00 PM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah



Apparently three Mormon elders and US military family on mission hurt in 
bombings... will pray for them...

On Mar 22, 2016 4:58 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  > wrote:

Cool

On Mar 22, 2016 4:57 PM, "Chuck McCown"  > wrote:

Yeah, the CIA has a “men who stare at goats” division that will help with that.



From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:55 PM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah



Through a medium?

On Mar 22, 2016 4:52 PM, "Chuck McCown"  > wrote:

Cruz is doing it too:

"We need to empower law enforcement to patrol and secure Muslim neighborhoods 
before they become radicalized," Cruz said in a statement Tuesday morning.

How exactly can you prevent anyone from becoming radicalized with LEA  patrols? 
 That is likely to push someone over the edge into being radicalized. 



I am going to write in Rob Ford.



From: Chuck McCown 

Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:49 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah



I have heard more reasoned discourse from toothless drunken rednecks sitting in 
lawn chairs shooting holes in the rusting car body in their front yard.



From: Chuck McCown 

Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:45 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah



“Trump also called into Fox Business Network's Mornings with Maria Bartiromo 
saying that the US must have surveillance of Muslims in this country, 
particularly at mosques.”





Deploy the national guard to mosques?

Or shall the FBI put bugs and cameras in them all?

Internment camps is a much better solution... gheeze.

How do  you test for Islam?  Big noses?



Follow everyone that buys dates at the supermarket.

Ban beards?







From: Jaime Solorza

Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:36 PM

To: Animal Farm

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah





Yep...  I don't revise history... I do not represent any of the revisionist 
views from our Texas Board of Education... except maybe dinosaurs on Noah's 
Ark...if I am going to be whacko might as well make it a good one.   Sas



On Mar 22, 2016 4:30 PM, "Chuck McCown"  > wrote:

So were all the early KKK guys democrats?



-Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:28 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah



KIND of...



Lincoln actually would have been more of a Democrat. The 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

[Ken Hohhof]

Try matt  mangriotis  cambiumnetworks.com

-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett

Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 10:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

There are some Cambium lurkers such as Aaron Schneider and Matt
Mangriottis (sp?).  Whether they are actively reading your post is hard
to say of course.
For permission to use their logo, I imagine Matt would be the one to
reach out to.  Search the archive for his email address?


On 3/24/2016 10:55 AM, Steve wrote:

Also there is an discussion going on.

What would you consider the 3 top things that all wireless devices (for 
the most part) share when it comes to the "health" of a wireless device?


So far IMHO in our industry to start it would be

1) Signal, Power level RSSI in some cases - measured in dBm
2) SNR (Signal to Noise Ratio)
3) GPS status Sync or no sync .. that is the question.


What else would you consider more important that is pretty much global 
across all wireless devices?



- Original Message -
From: "Steve" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 10:46:48 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

Nope not yet.  We are making some minor changes and going back and forth 
at the moment before it gets merged.  We'll use a temp icon at first if we 
have to.


Any Cambium employees watching?



- Original Message -
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 8:55:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

Did you get someone from Cambium?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP




- Original Message -

From: "Steve" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 8:51:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

Forgot to mention limited support for CMM 3.x and 4.x. We need to add all 
the network info, but it does graph the GPS stats. More will be coming.


Also some devices graph CRC errors, jitter, data rate, modulation mode, 
SSR, temperature and other indicators we thought would be useful to 
monitor.


- Original Message -
From: "Steve" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 9:40:44 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

On a side note - anyone have any Cambium contacts on the list I can talk 
to about getting permission to use their logo?


We've added our first pass at detection and graphing for these series of 
devices. (Pretty much only the devices we had access to immediately)


PMP100 (AP and SM)
PMP450(AP and SM)
EPMP (AP and SM)
PTP 100
PTP 200/230
PTP 250
PTP 450
PTP 650
EPTP

We are just putting in our pull request today so it should take a day or 
so to get merged into the main branch. This is far superior to Observium's 
limited support (actually all it really adds is limited detection).


We have actually added "Signal" as a sensor under "Health" and you can set 
up a notification for each device if a signal drops below your predefined 
threshold. Since most of us use some form of signal as a measure of how 
good a connection is it made sense to make it a sensor.


We are also considering adding GPS status under health, as well as SNR 
(for those devices that support it).


We are asking for your feedback and help in testing the bugs, and how to 
improve the look/feel.


Here are a couple screen shots (we only focused on getting it working and 
not really how it looked immediately)


http://imgur.com/a/CtTXy


FYI this is a shared list account so myself or others here may respond to 
you. If you wish to contact me directly I can be reached at steve at 
wavedirect dot net

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

[Adam Moffett]

There are some Cambium lurkers such as Aaron Schneider and Matt 
Mangriottis (sp?).  Whether they are actively reading your post is hard 
to say of course.
For permission to use their logo, I imagine Matt would be the one to 
reach out to.  Search the archive for his email address?



On 3/24/2016 10:55 AM, Steve wrote:

Also there is an discussion going on.

What would you consider the 3 top things that all wireless devices (for the most part) 
share when it comes to the "health" of a wireless device?

So far IMHO in our industry to start it would be

1) Signal, Power level RSSI in some cases - measured in dBm
2) SNR (Signal to Noise Ratio)
3) GPS status Sync or no sync .. that is the question.


What else would you consider more important that is pretty much global across 
all wireless devices?


- Original Message -
From: "Steve" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 10:46:48 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

Nope not yet.  We are making some minor changes and going back and forth at the 
moment before it gets merged.  We'll use a temp icon at first if we have to.

Any Cambium employees watching?



- Original Message -
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 8:55:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

Did you get someone from Cambium?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP




- Original Message -

From: "Steve" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 8:51:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

Forgot to mention limited support for CMM 3.x and 4.x. We need to add all the 
network info, but it does graph the GPS stats. More will be coming.

Also some devices graph CRC errors, jitter, data rate, modulation mode, SSR, 
temperature and other indicators we thought would be useful to monitor.

- Original Message -
From: "Steve" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 9:40:44 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

On a side note - anyone have any Cambium contacts on the list I can talk to 
about getting permission to use their logo?

We've added our first pass at detection and graphing for these series of 
devices. (Pretty much only the devices we had access to immediately)

PMP100 (AP and SM)
PMP450(AP and SM)
EPMP (AP and SM)
PTP 100
PTP 200/230
PTP 250
PTP 450
PTP 650
EPTP

We are just putting in our pull request today so it should take a day or so to 
get merged into the main branch. This is far superior to Observium's limited 
support (actually all it really adds is limited detection).

We have actually added "Signal" as a sensor under "Health" and you can set up a 
notification for each device if a signal drops below your predefined threshold. Since most of us 
use some form of signal as a measure of how good a connection is it made sense to make it a sensor.

We are also considering adding GPS status under health, as well as SNR (for 
those devices that support it).

We are asking for your feedback and help in testing the bugs, and how to 
improve the look/feel.

Here are a couple screen shots (we only focused on getting it working and not 
really how it looked immediately)

http://imgur.com/a/CtTXy


FYI this is a shared list account so myself or others here may respond to you. 
If you wish to contact me directly I can be reached at steve at wavedirect dot 
net

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah

[Jason McKemie]

A lot more apparently. Sounds like the Belgians have been brewing something
like this for a while. Pardon the pun, I didn't realize it until it was
already on the screen. They either were willingly looking the other way
while areas of the country were radicalized, or they didn't have the
resources to do anything about it. They were safe from the threat for a
while, but then when they had to crack down due to people from these
neighborhoods committing atrocities elsewhere they were in a very bad place
from a retaliatory perspective.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2016, Bill Prince  wrote:

> I think the Israelis are more organized than Belgians.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/22/2016 4:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> One of them was also hurt or almost hurt in the Boston bombing.  He is
> from my local area.
> Need to pray for the Belgians too.
> And for the leaders of the EU to get a bit more inventive in solutions.
>
> How come this never happens in Israel?
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 22, 2016 5:00 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah
>
>
> Apparently three Mormon elders and US military family on mission hurt in
> bombings... will pray for them...
> On Mar 22, 2016 4:58 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  > wrote:
>
>> Cool
>> On Mar 22, 2016 4:57 PM, "Chuck McCown" > > wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, the CIA has a “men who stare at goats” division that will help
>>> with that.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:55 PM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah
>>>
>>>
>>> Through a medium?
>>> On Mar 22, 2016 4:52 PM, "Chuck McCown" <
>>> ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
 Cruz is doing it too:

 "We need to empower law enforcement to patrol and secure Muslim
 neighborhoods before they become radicalized," Cruz said in a statement
 Tuesday morning.
 How exactly can you prevent anyone from becoming radicalized with LEA
 patrols?  That is likely to push someone over the edge into being
 radicalized.

 I am going to write in Rob Ford.

 *From:* Chuck McCown 
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:49 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah

 I have heard more reasoned discourse from toothless drunken rednecks
 sitting in lawn chairs shooting holes in the rusting car body in their
 front yard.

 *From:* Chuck McCown 
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:45 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah

 “Trump also called into Fox Business Network's Mornings with Maria
 Bartiromo saying that the US must have surveillance of Muslims in this
 country, particularly at mosques.”


 Deploy the national guard to mosques?
 Or shall the FBI put bugs and cameras in them all?
 Internment camps is a much better solution... gheeze.
 How do  you test for Islam?  Big noses?

 Follow everyone that buys dates at the supermarket.
 Ban beards?



 From: Jaime Solorza
 Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:36 PM
 To: Animal Farm
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah


 Yep...  I don't revise history... I do not represent any of the
 revisionist views from our Texas Board of Education... except maybe
 dinosaurs on Noah's Ark...if I am going to be whacko might as well make it
 a good one.   Sas

 On Mar 22, 2016 4:30 PM, "Chuck McCown" <
 ch...@wbmfg.com
 > wrote:
 So were all the early KKK guys democrats?

 -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
 Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 4:28 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Trump in Utah

 KIND of...

 Lincoln actually would have been more of a Democrat. The parties
 actually swapped platforms.


 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list

[Paul McCall]

A simple PO:  or POLITICS in the subject would suffice.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 10:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list

Well anything that would not be considered on-topic course then you have to 
know what is “on-topic’ as well ☺

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 9:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list


Maybe too generic?
On Mar 24, 2016 9:35 AM, "Dennis Burgess" 
> wrote:
Maybe put a tag [OT] that we can filter one?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Politics on the list


It seems politics is consuming a lot of chatter on the list. I personally enjoy 
it, I have thick skin, per another thread, but I am concerned it could turn 
south. This is the only industry mechanism I have for quick and dirty advice so 
I am fearful it could devolve into something ugly or useless like dslreports.
When Chuck ran the list there was a bit more policing, stay away from religion 
or politics. I assume others got the offlist spankings I got. I'm not bashing 
the current list owner, I enjoy the occasional freedom to rant.
What I am fearful of is losing the best resource I have for a vendor neutral 
discussion of on topic issues.

I'm not asking that the off topic political discussion stop, or any other off 
topic discussion for that matter, I do request however that everybody come to a 
consensus that we are all adults with different backgrounds and opinions who 
can disagree and still work together effectively.
This is solely a self serving request as I an very much incompetent for my 
position and rely heavily on advice from this list to impress my boss so he 
continues to give me a paycheck he could probably pay a comatose midget who 
only wakes up long enough to swear to do the same level of work.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

[Steve]

Also there is an discussion going on.  

What would you consider the 3 top things that all wireless devices (for the 
most part) share when it comes to the "health" of a wireless device? 

So far IMHO in our industry to start it would be 

1) Signal, Power level RSSI in some cases - measured in dBm
2) SNR (Signal to Noise Ratio)
3) GPS status Sync or no sync .. that is the question.  


What else would you consider more important that is pretty much global across 
all wireless devices?


- Original Message -
From: "Steve" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 10:46:48 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

Nope not yet.  We are making some minor changes and going back and forth at the 
moment before it gets merged.  We'll use a temp icon at first if we have to.  

Any Cambium employees watching?



- Original Message -
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 8:55:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

Did you get someone from Cambium? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 8:51:42 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS 

Forgot to mention limited support for CMM 3.x and 4.x. We need to add all the 
network info, but it does graph the GPS stats. More will be coming. 

Also some devices graph CRC errors, jitter, data rate, modulation mode, SSR, 
temperature and other indicators we thought would be useful to monitor. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 9:40:44 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS 

On a side note - anyone have any Cambium contacts on the list I can talk to 
about getting permission to use their logo? 

We've added our first pass at detection and graphing for these series of 
devices. (Pretty much only the devices we had access to immediately) 

PMP100 (AP and SM) 
PMP450(AP and SM) 
EPMP (AP and SM) 
PTP 100 
PTP 200/230 
PTP 250 
PTP 450 
PTP 650 
EPTP 

We are just putting in our pull request today so it should take a day or so to 
get merged into the main branch. This is far superior to Observium's limited 
support (actually all it really adds is limited detection). 

We have actually added "Signal" as a sensor under "Health" and you can set up a 
notification for each device if a signal drops below your predefined threshold. 
Since most of us use some form of signal as a measure of how good a connection 
is it made sense to make it a sensor. 

We are also considering adding GPS status under health, as well as SNR (for 
those devices that support it). 

We are asking for your feedback and help in testing the bugs, and how to 
improve the look/feel. 

Here are a couple screen shots (we only focused on getting it working and not 
really how it looked immediately) 

http://imgur.com/a/CtTXy 


FYI this is a shared list account so myself or others here may respond to you. 
If you wish to contact me directly I can be reached at steve at wavedirect dot 
net 

-- 
Steven Kenney 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283)

Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list

[Dennis Burgess]

Well anything that would not be considered on-topic course then you have to 
know what is “on-topic’ as well ☺

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 9:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list


Maybe too generic?
On Mar 24, 2016 9:35 AM, "Dennis Burgess" 
> wrote:
Maybe put a tag [OT] that we can filter one?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Politics on the list


It seems politics is consuming a lot of chatter on the list. I personally enjoy 
it, I have thick skin, per another thread, but I am concerned it could turn 
south. This is the only industry mechanism I have for quick and dirty advice so 
I am fearful it could devolve into something ugly or useless like dslreports.
When Chuck ran the list there was a bit more policing, stay away from religion 
or politics. I assume others got the offlist spankings I got. I'm not bashing 
the current list owner, I enjoy the occasional freedom to rant.
What I am fearful of is losing the best resource I have for a vendor neutral 
discussion of on topic issues.

I'm not asking that the off topic political discussion stop, or any other off 
topic discussion for that matter, I do request however that everybody come to a 
consensus that we are all adults with different backgrounds and opinions who 
can disagree and still work together effectively.
This is solely a self serving request as I an very much incompetent for my 
position and rely heavily on advice from this list to impress my boss so he 
continues to give me a paycheck he could probably pay a comatose midget who 
only wakes up long enough to swear to do the same level of work.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

[Steve]

Nope not yet.  We are making some minor changes and going back and forth at the 
moment before it gets merged.  We'll use a temp icon at first if we have to.  

Any Cambium employees watching?



- Original Message -
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 8:55:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

Did you get someone from Cambium? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 8:51:42 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS 

Forgot to mention limited support for CMM 3.x and 4.x. We need to add all the 
network info, but it does graph the GPS stats. More will be coming. 

Also some devices graph CRC errors, jitter, data rate, modulation mode, SSR, 
temperature and other indicators we thought would be useful to monitor. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 9:40:44 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS 

On a side note - anyone have any Cambium contacts on the list I can talk to 
about getting permission to use their logo? 

We've added our first pass at detection and graphing for these series of 
devices. (Pretty much only the devices we had access to immediately) 

PMP100 (AP and SM) 
PMP450(AP and SM) 
EPMP (AP and SM) 
PTP 100 
PTP 200/230 
PTP 250 
PTP 450 
PTP 650 
EPTP 

We are just putting in our pull request today so it should take a day or so to 
get merged into the main branch. This is far superior to Observium's limited 
support (actually all it really adds is limited detection). 

We have actually added "Signal" as a sensor under "Health" and you can set up a 
notification for each device if a signal drops below your predefined threshold. 
Since most of us use some form of signal as a measure of how good a connection 
is it made sense to make it a sensor. 

We are also considering adding GPS status under health, as well as SNR (for 
those devices that support it). 

We are asking for your feedback and help in testing the bugs, and how to 
improve the look/feel. 

Here are a couple screen shots (we only focused on getting it working and not 
really how it looked immediately) 

http://imgur.com/a/CtTXy 


FYI this is a shared list account so myself or others here may respond to you. 
If you wish to contact me directly I can be reached at steve at wavedirect dot 
net 

-- 
Steven Kenney 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283)

Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list

[Dennis Burgess]

On that is.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Politics on the list


It seems politics is consuming a lot of chatter on the list. I personally enjoy 
it, I have thick skin, per another thread, but I am concerned it could turn 
south. This is the only industry mechanism I have for quick and dirty advice so 
I am fearful it could devolve into something ugly or useless like dslreports.
When Chuck ran the list there was a bit more policing, stay away from religion 
or politics. I assume others got the offlist spankings I got. I'm not bashing 
the current list owner, I enjoy the occasional freedom to rant.
What I am fearful of is losing the best resource I have for a vendor neutral 
discussion of on topic issues.

I'm not asking that the off topic political discussion stop, or any other off 
topic discussion for that matter, I do request however that everybody come to a 
consensus that we are all adults with different backgrounds and opinions who 
can disagree and still work together effectively.
This is solely a self serving request as I an very much incompetent for my 
position and rely heavily on advice from this list to impress my boss so he 
continues to give me a paycheck he could probably pay a comatose midget who 
only wakes up long enough to swear to do the same level of work.

Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list

[Dennis Burgess]

Maybe put a tag [OT] that we can filter one?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Politics on the list


It seems politics is consuming a lot of chatter on the list. I personally enjoy 
it, I have thick skin, per another thread, but I am concerned it could turn 
south. This is the only industry mechanism I have for quick and dirty advice so 
I am fearful it could devolve into something ugly or useless like dslreports.
When Chuck ran the list there was a bit more policing, stay away from religion 
or politics. I assume others got the offlist spankings I got. I'm not bashing 
the current list owner, I enjoy the occasional freedom to rant.
What I am fearful of is losing the best resource I have for a vendor neutral 
discussion of on topic issues.

I'm not asking that the off topic political discussion stop, or any other off 
topic discussion for that matter, I do request however that everybody come to a 
consensus that we are all adults with different backgrounds and opinions who 
can disagree and still work together effectively.
This is solely a self serving request as I an very much incompetent for my 
position and rely heavily on advice from this list to impress my boss so he 
continues to give me a paycheck he could probably pay a comatose midget who 
only wakes up long enough to swear to do the same level of work.

Re: [AFMUG] Politics on the list

[Josh Reynolds]

Maybe too generic?
On Mar 24, 2016 9:35 AM, "Dennis Burgess"  wrote:

> Maybe put a tag [OT] that we can filter one?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Politics on the list
>
>
>
> It seems politics is consuming a lot of chatter on the list. I personally
> enjoy it, I have thick skin, per another thread, but I am concerned it
> could turn south. This is the only industry mechanism I have for quick and
> dirty advice so I am fearful it could devolve into something ugly or
> useless like dslreports.
> When Chuck ran the list there was a bit more policing, stay away from
> religion or politics. I assume others got the offlist spankings I got. I'm
> not bashing the current list owner, I enjoy the occasional freedom to rant.
> What I am fearful of is losing the best resource I have for a vendor
> neutral discussion of on topic issues.
>
> I'm not asking that the off topic political discussion stop, or any other
> off topic discussion for that matter, I do request however that everybody
> come to a consensus that we are all adults with different backgrounds and
> opinions who can disagree and still work together effectively.
> This is solely a self serving request as I an very much incompetent for my
> position and rely heavily on advice from this list to impress my boss so he
> continues to give me a paycheck he could probably pay a comatose midget who
> only wakes up long enough to swear to do the same level of work.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

[Chuck McCown]

Did not turn the existing network off, but it is slowly dying via attrition.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 7:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

So they are no longer expanding to new areas?  Not adding new customers?  Or 
turned the network and existing customers off?

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 11:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

They are testing their next generation.  Could have called us and saved $50M 
dollars.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

 

For now.

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 8:42 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

 

Vivint broadband is kaput?

 

From: Chuck McCown 

Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 7:55 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Interesting article

 

Yes, solar is separate division.

Solar was going to sell, but the buyer has some questionable financials so the 
deal died.

Vivint broadband died due to a crappy homegrown radio platform.  

They may be trying to retool but they lost some good talent.  

 

From: Rory Conaway 

Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 6:31 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Interesting article

 

http://247wallst.com/energy-business/2016/03/22/vivint-solar-secures-200-million-loan/?

 

Is Vivint Internet done by a separate division?  And did the solar division 
take a dive because of tax subsidies being reduced.

 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net

 

“I wish I could play little league now.  I’d be way better than before.” 

 

Re: [AFMUG] FYI - new ARIN fee schedule effective July 1

[Mike Hammett]

The conversations were already happening when I really started to become 
involved at ARIN, but I had a few conversations with the board and the advisory 
committee about how to get IPv6 into the hands of those with smaller IPv4 
allocations and budgets. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 9:30:02 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] FYI - new ARIN fee schedule effective July 1 

https://www.arin.net/fees/2016_fee_schedule.html 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS

[Mike Hammett]

Did you get someone from Cambium? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 8:51:42 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS 

Forgot to mention limited support for CMM 3.x and 4.x. We need to add all the 
network info, but it does graph the GPS stats. More will be coming. 

Also some devices graph CRC errors, jitter, data rate, modulation mode, SSR, 
temperature and other indicators we thought would be useful to monitor. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 9:40:44 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Support for LibreNMS 

On a side note - anyone have any Cambium contacts on the list I can talk to 
about getting permission to use their logo? 

We've added our first pass at detection and graphing for these series of 
devices. (Pretty much only the devices we had access to immediately) 

PMP100 (AP and SM) 
PMP450(AP and SM) 
EPMP (AP and SM) 
PTP 100 
PTP 200/230 
PTP 250 
PTP 450 
PTP 650 
EPTP 

We are just putting in our pull request today so it should take a day or so to 
get merged into the main branch. This is far superior to Observium's limited 
support (actually all it really adds is limited detection). 

We have actually added "Signal" as a sensor under "Health" and you can set up a 
notification for each device if a signal drops below your predefined threshold. 
Since most of us use some form of signal as a measure of how good a connection 
is it made sense to make it a sensor. 

We are also considering adding GPS status under health, as well as SNR (for 
those devices that support it). 

We are asking for your feedback and help in testing the bugs, and how to 
improve the look/feel. 

Here are a couple screen shots (we only focused on getting it working and not 
really how it looked immediately) 

http://imgur.com/a/CtTXy 


FYI this is a shared list account so myself or others here may respond to you. 
If you wish to contact me directly I can be reached at steve at wavedirect dot 
net 

-- 
Steven Kenney 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283)