date:20160404

Re: [AFMUG] Refurb UPS dealers?

2016-04-04 Thread George Skorup

I've had two of these running in the NOC for about two years. TRIPP LITE
SMART3000RMXL2U. Just using the internal batteries. They have a blue
(48v) external connector too. Not even on-line/dual-conversion. The AVR
seems to handle our crappy utility power just fine. Sensitivity set to
medium for our generator also works fine. I think we got them on promo
w/ management card from Provantage for like $900 at the time. Can't say
there's anything I really hate about them, other than one management
card came with the newer firmware that has the stupid java web GUI and
all of the SNMP data of interest returns *1000 (40% load shows 400,
etc), just an annoyance though. I can probably downgrade that one, but
that's like # 176 on my list of shit.

On 4/5/2016 12:01 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:

A few guys swear by these
APS750 Tripp Lite $282Provantage

The drawback is no snmp monitoring, but that could be overcome. You
add the battery combination to suit your environment 12vdc bank.

Jason

Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 8:21 PM, Lewis Bergman > wrote:

I don't know about other's experience but tripplite seems to make
a better product across the board.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016, 9:53 PM Eric Kuhnke > wrote:

Yeah. At scale it is necessary to be able to buy the same
model (or very close) for consistent deployment and
maintenance. Same battery trays, same batteries, same
management interface. That is why I'm specifically only
looking at Tripplite and APC.

After doing some more research it appears there are at least a
half dozen reputable vendors. As more enterprise type
customers move their server stuff to the cloud (err, butt?) a
lot of used UPS end up going to electronics recycling places.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Lewis Bergman
> wrote:

Of course i am not a dealer but i have an unused 2U Eaton.
I think it is 1500 but i would have to check. Sounds like
you need more than one.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016, 8:24 PM Jason Wilson
> wrote:

Try this guy on Ebay from Carson City Nevada. I have
done buisness with him before.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_sop=10&_ssn=uspowerups&_pgn=2&_skc=50=nc

Jason

Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Eric Kuhnke
>
wrote:

Because I don't want to buy a bunch of cheap and
used, for example SUA1500RM2U UPS, and discover
their charge controller or inverter are messed up.
Or it's had a battery swell and leak all over insides.

something like this, plus $25 100BaseTX IP
management card:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/APC-SUA1500RM2U-SMART-UPS-1500VA-980W-120V-USB-RACKMOUNT-BACKUP-NEW-BATTERIES-/291583017738?hash=item43e3b3c30a:g:tEsAAOSwoydWnp79

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 5:57 PM,
can...@believewireless.net

> wrote:

Why not buy the batteries on your own?

Re: [AFMUG] Refurb UPS dealers?

2016-04-04 Thread Jason Wilson

A few guys swear by these
APS750 Tripp Lite $282 Provantage
The drawback is no snmp monitoring, but that could be overcome.  You add
the battery combination to suit your environment 12vdc bank.

Jason



Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 8:21 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I don't know about other's experience but tripplite seems to make a better
> product across the board.
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016, 9:53 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
>> Yeah. At scale it is necessary to be able to buy the same model (or very
>> close) for consistent deployment and maintenance. Same battery trays, same
>> batteries, same management interface. That is why I'm specifically only
>> looking at Tripplite and APC.
>>
>> After doing some more research it appears there are at least a half dozen
>> reputable vendors. As more enterprise type customers move their server
>> stuff to the cloud (err, butt?) a lot of used UPS end up going to
>> electronics recycling places.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Of course i am not a dealer but i have an unused 2U Eaton. I think it is
>>> 1500 but i would have to check. Sounds like you need more than one.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016, 8:24 PM Jason Wilson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> Try this guy on Ebay from Carson City Nevada.  I have done buisness with
 him before.
 http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_sop=10&_ssn=uspowerups&_pgn=2&_skc=50=nc

 Jason

>>>

 Jason Wilson
 Remotely Located
 Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
 530-651-1736
 530-748-9608 Cell
 www.remotelylocated.com

>>>
 On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
 wrote:

> Because I don't want to buy a bunch of cheap and used, for example
> SUA1500RM2U UPS, and discover their charge controller or inverter are
> messed up. Or it's had a battery swell and leak all over insides.
>
> something like this, plus $25 100BaseTX IP management card:
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/APC-SUA1500RM2U-SMART-UPS-1500VA-980W-120V-USB-RACKMOUNT-BACKUP-NEW-BATTERIES-/291583017738?hash=item43e3b3c30a:g:tEsAAOSwoydWnp79
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 5:57 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> Why not buy the batteries on your own?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Refurb UPS dealers?

2016-04-04 Thread Lewis Bergman

I don't know about other's experience but tripplite seems to make a better
product across the board.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016, 9:53 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> Yeah. At scale it is necessary to be able to buy the same model (or very
> close) for consistent deployment and maintenance. Same battery trays, same
> batteries, same management interface. That is why I'm specifically only
> looking at Tripplite and APC.
>
> After doing some more research it appears there are at least a half dozen
> reputable vendors. As more enterprise type customers move their server
> stuff to the cloud (err, butt?) a lot of used UPS end up going to
> electronics recycling places.
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> Of course i am not a dealer but i have an unused 2U Eaton. I think it is
>> 1500 but i would have to check. Sounds like you need more than one.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016, 8:24 PM Jason Wilson 
>> wrote:
>>
> Try this guy on Ebay from Carson City Nevada.  I have done buisness with
>>> him before.
>>> http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_sop=10&_ssn=uspowerups&_pgn=2&_skc=50=nc
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> Jason Wilson
>>> Remotely Located
>>> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>>> 530-651-1736
>>> 530-748-9608 Cell
>>> www.remotelylocated.com
>>>
>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Because I don't want to buy a bunch of cheap and used, for example
 SUA1500RM2U UPS, and discover their charge controller or inverter are
 messed up. Or it's had a battery swell and leak all over insides.

 something like this, plus $25 100BaseTX IP management card:


 http://www.ebay.com/itm/APC-SUA1500RM2U-SMART-UPS-1500VA-980W-120V-USB-RACKMOUNT-BACKUP-NEW-BATTERIES-/291583017738?hash=item43e3b3c30a:g:tEsAAOSwoydWnp79



 On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 5:57 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
 p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> Why not buy the batteries on your own?
>


>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Refurb UPS dealers?

2016-04-04 Thread Eric Kuhnke

Yeah. At scale it is necessary to be able to buy the same model (or very
close) for consistent deployment and maintenance. Same battery trays, same
batteries, same management interface. That is why I'm specifically only
looking at Tripplite and APC.

After doing some more research it appears there are at least a half dozen
reputable vendors. As more enterprise type customers move their server
stuff to the cloud (err, butt?) a lot of used UPS end up going to
electronics recycling places.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Of course i am not a dealer but i have an unused 2U Eaton. I think it is
> 1500 but i would have to check. Sounds like you need more than one.
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016, 8:24 PM Jason Wilson 
> wrote:
>
>> Try this guy on Ebay from Carson City Nevada.  I have done buisness with
>> him before.
>> http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_sop=10&_ssn=uspowerups&_pgn=2&_skc=50=nc
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
>> Jason Wilson
>> Remotely Located
>> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>> 530-651-1736
>> 530-748-9608 Cell
>> www.remotelylocated.com
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Because I don't want to buy a bunch of cheap and used, for example
>>> SUA1500RM2U UPS, and discover their charge controller or inverter are
>>> messed up. Or it's had a battery swell and leak all over insides.
>>>
>>> something like this, plus $25 100BaseTX IP management card:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/APC-SUA1500RM2U-SMART-UPS-1500VA-980W-120V-USB-RACKMOUNT-BACKUP-NEW-BATTERIES-/291583017738?hash=item43e3b3c30a:g:tEsAAOSwoydWnp79
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 5:57 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
>>> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>>>
 Why not buy the batteries on your own?

>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

2016-04-04 Thread Eric Kuhnke

Try aiming a 500 meter 60 GHz link and then aim a 3km 80 GHz link

It most certainly does affect ease of aiming for new hires/new technicians
when dealing with things way less than 1 degree wide in the sweet spot of
best RSL.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> But the distance of a link makes no difference in terms of aiming...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Apr 4, 2016 9:47 PM, "Harold Bledsoe"  wrote:
>
>> It makes fine tuning longer links easier.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016, 9:06 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why would the distance matter?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 8:41 PM, Harold Bledsoe 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The standard mount is being improved a bit (same cost) as well as an
 optional LR upgraded mount for longer distances.

 Thanks,
 -Hal

 On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 7:49 PM Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

>>> I thought they were releasing a 2nd gen mount?
> On Apr 4, 2016 6:35 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> Wasn’t there a post from them saying for a few bucks more there is a
>> better mount?
>>
>>
>
>> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson 
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 6:18 PM
>>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>>
> FWIW on these IgniteNet 60GHz, the mounts are horrendous. We got a
>> couple of pairs and my installers are saying they’re worse than a nano
>> bridge mount.. For the stability one would need to keep these locked on
>> during a breeze, we were expecting a much heavier duty mount.
>>
>>
> Chuck, another product idea for ya :)
>>
>> -c
>>
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>
>> I thought that was Trump’s plan to eliminate the national debt in 8
>> years!
>>
>> Or a new reality TV show:  Naked and Unshod.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz 
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 5:31 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>>
>> I often tell my wife
>>
>>
>> If the women of the world stopped buying shoes and clothes for 3
>> months, there will be a total world wide economic collapse !
>>
>>
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> 
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:58:01 PM
>>
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>>
>> Ha
>>
>> On Apr 4, 2016 1:53 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> I told my wife this morning that I am going to have to find a rehab
>>> center for an Amazon addict.
>>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:47 PM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>>>
>> My wife always complains that I don't need more tools   I respond...
>>> when you stop buying shoes, I will stop buying tools...she gives me the
>>> death stare.
>>>
>> On Apr 4, 2016 1:44 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> Chuck, somehow you remind me of my business partner who goes
 looking for projects, cause they are a perfect opportunity to collect 
 (buy)
 more tools... one can never have enough tools !

 (He is more into power tools, construction, mechanical etc ...)


>>> :)

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232>

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
 supp...@snappytelecom.net 

 --

>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:36:59 PM


 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

 I just tested a cable tester from Ideal that qualifies GigE
 circuits.

Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

2016-04-04 Thread Josh Luthman

But the distance of a link makes no difference in terms of aiming...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 4, 2016 9:47 PM, "Harold Bledsoe"  wrote:

> It makes fine tuning longer links easier.
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016, 9:06 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Why would the distance matter?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 8:41 PM, Harold Bledsoe 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The standard mount is being improved a bit (same cost) as well as an
>>> optional LR upgraded mount for longer distances.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Hal
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 7:49 PM Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> I thought they were releasing a 2nd gen mount?
 On Apr 4, 2016 6:35 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Wasn’t there a post from them saying for a few bucks more there is a
> better mount?
>
>

> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson 
> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 6:18 PM
>
 *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>
 FWIW on these IgniteNet 60GHz, the mounts are horrendous. We got a
> couple of pairs and my installers are saying they’re worse than a nano
> bridge mount.. For the stability one would need to keep these locked on
> during a breeze, we were expecting a much heavier duty mount.
>
>
 Chuck, another product idea for ya :)
>
> -c
>
 On Apr 4, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>
> I thought that was Trump’s plan to eliminate the national debt in 8
> years!
>
> Or a new reality TV show:  Naked and Unshod.
>
>
>
> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz 
> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 5:31 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>
> I often tell my wife
>
>
> If the women of the world stopped buying shoes and clothes for 3
> months, there will be a total world wide economic collapse !
>
>
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:58:01 PM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>
> Ha
>
> On Apr 4, 2016 1:53 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> I told my wife this morning that I am going to have to find a rehab
>> center for an Amazon addict.
>>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:47 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>>
> My wife always complains that I don't need more tools   I respond...
>> when you stop buying shoes, I will stop buying tools...she gives me the
>> death stare.
>>
> On Apr 4, 2016 1:44 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>> wrote:
>>
> Chuck, somehow you remind me of my business partner who goes
>>> looking for projects, cause they are a perfect opportunity to collect 
>>> (buy)
>>> more tools... one can never have enough tools !
>>>
>>> (He is more into power tools, construction, mechanical etc ...)
>>>
>>>
>> :)
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net 
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:36:59 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>>>
>>> I just tested a cable tester from Ideal that qualifies GigE circuits.
>>>
>>>
>>> Nice thing is, it will do a data test without cable continuity.
>>> (It also does the actual cable continuity tests too).
>>>
>>> I wonder what it would show on a less than 1Gbps radio.  $1325
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Harold Bledsoe 
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:32 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>>>
>>> Sorry to be late to the

Re: [AFMUG] Drug Testing

2016-04-04 Thread Sean Heskett

Um we operate in Colorado *cough cough* I don't think anyone in the state
would pass that kind of test lol

-Sean


On Monday, April 4, 2016, Keefe John  wrote:

> Just curious who here drugs tests employees.
>
> Our insurance company is making us do a sweep on drivers.
>
> Keefe
>

Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

2016-04-04 Thread Harold Bledsoe

It makes fine tuning longer links easier.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016, 9:06 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Why would the distance matter?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 8:41 PM, Harold Bledsoe 
> wrote:
>
>> The standard mount is being improved a bit (same cost) as well as an
>> optional LR upgraded mount for longer distances.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Hal
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 7:49 PM Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
> I thought they were releasing a 2nd gen mount?
>>> On Apr 4, 2016 6:35 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>>
 Wasn’t there a post from them saying for a few bucks more there is a
 better mount?


>>>
 *From:* Cassidy B. Larson 
 *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 6:18 PM

>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

>>> FWIW on these IgniteNet 60GHz, the mounts are horrendous. We got a
 couple of pairs and my installers are saying they’re worse than a nano
 bridge mount.. For the stability one would need to keep these locked on
 during a breeze, we were expecting a much heavier duty mount.


>>> Chuck, another product idea for ya :)

 -c

>>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:


 I thought that was Trump’s plan to eliminate the national debt in 8
 years!

 Or a new reality TV show:  Naked and Unshod.



 *From:* Faisal Imtiaz 
 *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 5:31 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

 I often tell my wife


 If the women of the world stopped buying shoes and clothes for 3
 months, there will be a total world wide economic collapse !



 :)

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
 

 --

 *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
 *To: *"Animal Farm" 
 *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:58:01 PM


 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

 Ha

 On Apr 4, 2016 1:53 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

 I told my wife this morning that I am going to have to find a rehab
> center for an Amazon addict.
>
 *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:47 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
>
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>
 My wife always complains that I don't need more tools   I respond...
> when you stop buying shoes, I will stop buying tools...she gives me the
> death stare.
>
 On Apr 4, 2016 1:44 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> wrote:
>
 Chuck, somehow you remind me of my business partner who goes
>> looking for projects, cause they are a perfect opportunity to collect 
>> (buy)
>> more tools... one can never have enough tools !
>>
>> (He is more into power tools, construction, mechanical etc ...)
>>
>>
> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> 
>>
>> --
>>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:36:59 PM
>>
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>>
>> I just tested a cable tester from Ideal that qualifies GigE circuits.
>>
>>
>> Nice thing is, it will do a data test without cable continuity.
>> (It also does the actual cable continuity tests too).
>>
>> I wonder what it would show on a less than 1Gbps radio.  $1325
>>
>>
>> *From:* Harold Bledsoe 
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:32 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>>
>> Sorry to be late to the party.  ;-)
>>
>> I have a few comments on iperf though.  Iperf2 is not very reliable
>> at high speeds.  For high speeds, iperf3 tends to do a little better
>> assuming you have enough computer to push the required speeds.  However
>> iperf3 cannot yet do bi-di tests.
>>
>> For affordable testing, we've found Mikrotik's traffic generator to
>> be pretty good.  It's a

[AFMUG] Kodi / http media streams

2016-04-04 Thread Andreas Wiatowski

I’m not sure if you run into this in the USA…. But it seems that KODI / XBMC 
traffic is almost on par with Netflix on our network (About a 100Mbps 
difference in favour of Netflix.).  Are others here seeing this trend? Or is 
this just a Canadian problem?


Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
519-449-5656 x-600

Re: [AFMUG] Refurb UPS dealers?

2016-04-04 Thread Jason Wilson

Try this guy on Ebay from Carson City Nevada.  I have done buisness with
him before.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_sop=10&_ssn=uspowerups&_pgn=2&_skc=50=nc

Jason

Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> Because I don't want to buy a bunch of cheap and used, for example
> SUA1500RM2U UPS, and discover their charge controller or inverter are
> messed up. Or it's had a battery swell and leak all over insides.
>
> something like this, plus $25 100BaseTX IP management card:
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/APC-SUA1500RM2U-SMART-UPS-1500VA-980W-120V-USB-RACKMOUNT-BACKUP-NEW-BATTERIES-/291583017738?hash=item43e3b3c30a:g:tEsAAOSwoydWnp79
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 5:57 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> Why not buy the batteries on your own?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Drug Testing

2016-04-04 Thread Josh Luthman

Ohio BWC gives you a benefit for random drug tests or something like that.
I'm not sure what the extent is...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Keefe John  wrote:

> Just curious who here drugs tests employees.
>
> Our insurance company is making us do a sweep on drivers.
>
> Keefe
>

Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

2016-04-04 Thread Mike Hammett

I gotta see when the next Ideal sale is. :-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 2:36:59 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? 




I just tested a cable tester from Ideal that qualifies GigE circuits. 

Nice thing is, it will do a data test without cable continuity. 
(It also does the actual cable continuity tests too). 

I wonder what it would show on a less than 1Gbps radio. $1325 




From: Harold Bledsoe 
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 1:32 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? 


Sorry to be late to the party. ;-) 

I have a few comments on iperf though. Iperf2 is not very reliable at high 
speeds. For high speeds, iperf3 tends to do a little better assuming you have 
enough computer to push the required speeds. However iperf3 cannot yet do bi-di 
tests. 

For affordable testing, we've found Mikrotik's traffic generator to be pretty 
good. It's a little complicated to setup the first time but then it is better. 
Beware using btest - it uses a single core and can't keep up especially if you 
try random data. 

Then there's RFC testers like Exfo, Smartbits, etc. We use Smartbits. 

Thanks, 
-Hal 


On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:15 AM Stefan Englhardt < s...@genias.net > wrote: 





Every new gear is suspicious in regards of holding up to the promises made. 

We’ve heard so many promises in the past and very often the truth does not meet 
marketing. 

So there is nothing aggressive if someone wants to see iperf testing. Seeing is 
believing. 




Von: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Ken Hohhof 
Gesendet: Montag, 4. April 2016 15:08 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? 








By comparison to the presidential contest, the tone was very mild! Did you see 
Jimmy Kimmel’s American Girl & Boy Dolls Presidential Collection? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded=FYHPr7TL2AY 










From: Faisal Imtiaz 

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 8:03 AM 

To: af@afmug.com 








Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? 









I am not being defensive about Ignite, as I stated in my email I am having 
a reaction to the tone of your question. If you were to look at my posts you 
will also see that I have expressed similar feelings to others in regards to 
how they ask the question... irrespective of who they are asking about. I also 
apologized for this being a personality defect in myself. 



The Cut & Paste was not for your benefit, but for others who lurk in the 
forums. 



There is nothing wrong with running an iperf test.. but you specifically asked 
for the test to be run in a very particular way, from very particular pieces of 
equipment. 



My apologies if I am over reacting WISP's have many many great attributes, 
however there is one attribute which would be nice to change for the better 
Our Attitudes towards the mfg. and the default presumption of a 'conspiracy' or 
'they are trying to pull a fast one on us'. along with it also having 
enough fortitude to asking the MFG and or their representatives the technical 
questions before coming to the open forums and taking an opinion poll 



ok, I will now get off my soap box. 







Regards 





Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 







From: "Eric Kuhnke" < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 11:52:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests? 






For somebody who doesn't own a piece of the company and doesn't work there, 
you're extremely defensive. I don't need a copied and pasted explanation of 
what FDD and TDD are. 

How in any way whatsoever is it inappropriate to run iperf tests on a newly 
released PTP bridge radio? 




On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
wrote: 







like I said before.. ask the question directly... no need for the cloak and 
dagger ... 



--- 

Frequency-division duplexing (FDD) is a method for establishing a full-duplex 
communications link that uses two different radio frequencies for transmitter 
and receiver operation. The transmit direction and receive direction 
frequencies are separated by a defined frequency offset. In the microwave 
realm, the primary advantages of this approach are: 

- 

NO THEY ARE NOT FDD. 



 

Time-division duplexing (TDD) is a method for emulating full-duplex 
communication over a half-duplex communication link. The transmitter and 
receiver both use the same frequency but transmit and receive traffic is 
switched in time. The primary advantages of this approach as it

[AFMUG] Drug Testing

2016-04-04 Thread Keefe John


Just curious who here drugs tests employees.

Our insurance company is making us do a sweep on drivers.

Keefe

Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

2016-04-04 Thread Josh Luthman

Why would the distance matter?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 8:41 PM, Harold Bledsoe  wrote:

> The standard mount is being improved a bit (same cost) as well as an
> optional LR upgraded mount for longer distances.
>
> Thanks,
> -Hal
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 7:49 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> I thought they were releasing a 2nd gen mount?
>> On Apr 4, 2016 6:35 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>>> Wasn’t there a post from them saying for a few bucks more there is a
>>> better mount?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson 
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 6:18 PM
>>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>>>
>> FWIW on these IgniteNet 60GHz, the mounts are horrendous. We got a couple
>>> of pairs and my installers are saying they’re worse than a nano bridge
>>> mount.. For the stability one would need to keep these locked on during a
>>> breeze, we were expecting a much heavier duty mount.
>>>
>>>
>> Chuck, another product idea for ya :)
>>>
>>> -c
>>>
>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I thought that was Trump’s plan to eliminate the national debt in 8
>>> years!
>>>
>>> Or a new reality TV show:  Naked and Unshod.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz 
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 5:31 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>>>
>>> I often tell my wife
>>>
>>>
>>> If the women of the world stopped buying shoes and clothes for 3 months,
>>> there will be a total world wide economic collapse !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>> 
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>>> *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:58:01 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>>>
>>> Ha
>>>
>>> On Apr 4, 2016 1:53 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
>>> I told my wife this morning that I am going to have to find a rehab
 center for an Amazon addict.

>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
 *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:47 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm 

>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

>>> My wife always complains that I don't need more tools   I respond...
 when you stop buying shoes, I will stop buying tools...she gives me the
 death stare.

>>> On Apr 4, 2016 1:44 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
 wrote:

>>> Chuck, somehow you remind me of my business partner who goes looking
> for projects, cause they are a perfect opportunity to collect (buy) more
> tools... one can never have enough tools !
>
> (He is more into power tools, construction, mechanical etc ...)
>
>
 :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
>
> --
>
 *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:36:59 PM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>
> I just tested a cable tester from Ideal that qualifies GigE circuits.
>
>
> Nice thing is, it will do a data test without cable continuity.
> (It also does the actual cable continuity tests too).
>
> I wonder what it would show on a less than 1Gbps radio.  $1325
>
>
> *From:* Harold Bledsoe 
> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:32 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>
> Sorry to be late to the party.  ;-)
>
> I have a few comments on iperf though.  Iperf2 is not very reliable at
> high speeds.  For high speeds, iperf3 tends to do a little better assuming
> you have enough computer to push the required speeds.  However iperf3
> cannot yet do bi-di tests.
>
> For affordable testing, we've found Mikrotik's traffic generator to be
> pretty good.  It's a little complicated to setup the first time but then 
> it
> is better.  Beware using btest - it uses a single core and can't keep up
> especially if you try random data.
>
> Then there's RFC testers like Exfo, Smartbits, etc.  We use Smartbits.
>
> Thanks,
> -Hal
>

Re: [AFMUG] Refurb UPS dealers?

2016-04-04 Thread can...@believewireless.net

Why not buy the batteries on your own?

[AFMUG] Refurb UPS dealers?

2016-04-04 Thread Eric Kuhnke

Looking for updated pricing on 1200VA to 2200VA sized, 2U rackmount UPS.

I know there are some refurb dealers out there which take older APC and
TrippLite units and refurbish them with new AGM batteries. Any
recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

2016-04-04 Thread Josh Reynolds

I thought they were releasing a 2nd gen mount?
On Apr 4, 2016 6:35 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Wasn’t there a post from them saying for a few bucks more there is a
> better mount?
>
>
> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson 
> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 6:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>
> FWIW on these IgniteNet 60GHz, the mounts are horrendous. We got a couple
> of pairs and my installers are saying they’re worse than a nano bridge
> mount.. For the stability one would need to keep these locked on during a
> breeze, we were expecting a much heavier duty mount.
>
> Chuck, another product idea for ya :)
>
> -c
>
>
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I thought that was Trump’s plan to eliminate the national debt in 8 years!
>
> Or a new reality TV show:  Naked and Unshod.
>
>
> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz 
> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 5:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>
> I often tell my wife
>
> If the women of the world stopped buying shoes and clothes for 3 months,
> there will be a total world wide economic collapse !
>
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:58:01 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>
> Ha
> On Apr 4, 2016 1:53 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> I told my wife this morning that I am going to have to find a rehab
>> center for an Amazon addict.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:47 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>>
>> My wife always complains that I don't need more tools   I respond... when
>> you stop buying shoes, I will stop buying tools...she gives me the death
>> stare.
>> On Apr 4, 2016 1:44 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>>
>>> Chuck, somehow you remind me of my business partner who goes looking
>>> for projects, cause they are a perfect opportunity to collect (buy) more
>>> tools... one can never have enough tools !
>>>
>>> (He is more into power tools, construction, mechanical etc ...)
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>> 
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:36:59 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>>>
>>> I just tested a cable tester from Ideal that qualifies GigE circuits.
>>>
>>> Nice thing is, it will do a data test without cable continuity.
>>> (It also does the actual cable continuity tests too).
>>>
>>> I wonder what it would show on a less than 1Gbps radio.  $1325
>>>
>>> *From:* Harold Bledsoe 
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:32 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>>>
>>> Sorry to be late to the party.  ;-)
>>>
>>> I have a few comments on iperf though.  Iperf2 is not very reliable at
>>> high speeds.  For high speeds, iperf3 tends to do a little better assuming
>>> you have enough computer to push the required speeds.  However iperf3
>>> cannot yet do bi-di tests.
>>>
>>> For affordable testing, we've found Mikrotik's traffic generator to be
>>> pretty good.  It's a little complicated to setup the first time but then it
>>> is better.  Beware using btest - it uses a single core and can't keep up
>>> especially if you try random data.
>>>
>>> Then there's RFC testers like Exfo, Smartbits, etc.  We use Smartbits.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Hal
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:15 AM Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
>>>
 Every new gear is suspicious in regards of holding up to the promises
 made.


 We’ve heard so many promises in the past and very often the truth does
 not meet marketing.


 So there is nothing aggressive if someone wants to see iperf testing.
 Seeing is believing.




 *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Ken Hohhof
 *Gesendet:* Montag, 4. April 2016 15:08
 *An:* af@afmug.com
 *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?



 By comparison to the presidential contest, the tone was very mild!  Did
 you see Jimmy Kimmel’s American Girl & Boy Dolls Presidential

Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

2016-04-04 Thread Eric Kuhnke

I realize it would be very costly for inexpensive products, but if anyone
has ever installed and aimed a 1' size (30cm) Radiowaves high performance
dish for licensed bands, those are great mounts...

Swappable between left hand or right hand orientation off a pole, screw
drive for fine tuning elevation adjustment, and you can use a box-end
ratcheting wrench to creep the azimuth across while aiming.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Wasn’t there a post from them saying for a few bucks more there is a
> better mount?
>
>
> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson 
> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 6:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>
> FWIW on these IgniteNet 60GHz, the mounts are horrendous. We got a couple
> of pairs and my installers are saying they’re worse than a nano bridge
> mount.. For the stability one would need to keep these locked on during a
> breeze, we were expecting a much heavier duty mount.
>
> Chuck, another product idea for ya :)
>
> -c
>
>
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I thought that was Trump’s plan to eliminate the national debt in 8 years!
>
> Or a new reality TV show:  Naked and Unshod.
>
>
> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz 
> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 5:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>
> I often tell my wife
>
> If the women of the world stopped buying shoes and clothes for 3 months,
> there will be a total world wide economic collapse !
>
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:58:01 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>
> Ha
> On Apr 4, 2016 1:53 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> I told my wife this morning that I am going to have to find a rehab
>> center for an Amazon addict.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:47 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>>
>> My wife always complains that I don't need more tools   I respond... when
>> you stop buying shoes, I will stop buying tools...she gives me the death
>> stare.
>> On Apr 4, 2016 1:44 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>>
>>> Chuck, somehow you remind me of my business partner who goes looking
>>> for projects, cause they are a perfect opportunity to collect (buy) more
>>> tools... one can never have enough tools !
>>>
>>> (He is more into power tools, construction, mechanical etc ...)
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>> 
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:36:59 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>>>
>>> I just tested a cable tester from Ideal that qualifies GigE circuits.
>>>
>>> Nice thing is, it will do a data test without cable continuity.
>>> (It also does the actual cable continuity tests too).
>>>
>>> I wonder what it would show on a less than 1Gbps radio.  $1325
>>>
>>> *From:* Harold Bledsoe 
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:32 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>>>
>>> Sorry to be late to the party.  ;-)
>>>
>>> I have a few comments on iperf though.  Iperf2 is not very reliable at
>>> high speeds.  For high speeds, iperf3 tends to do a little better assuming
>>> you have enough computer to push the required speeds.  However iperf3
>>> cannot yet do bi-di tests.
>>>
>>> For affordable testing, we've found Mikrotik's traffic generator to be
>>> pretty good.  It's a little complicated to setup the first time but then it
>>> is better.  Beware using btest - it uses a single core and can't keep up
>>> especially if you try random data.
>>>
>>> Then there's RFC testers like Exfo, Smartbits, etc.  We use Smartbits.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Hal
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:15 AM Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
>>>
 Every new gear is suspicious in regards of holding up to the promises
 made.


 We’ve heard so many promises in the past and very often the truth does
 not meet marketing.


 So there is nothing aggressive if someone wants to see iperf testing.
 Seeing is believing.

Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

2016-04-04 Thread Ken Hohhof

Wasn’t there a post from them saying for a few bucks more there is a better 
mount?

From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 6:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

FWIW on these IgniteNet 60GHz, the mounts are horrendous. We got a couple of 
pairs and my installers are saying they’re worse than a nano bridge mount.. For 
the stability one would need to keep these locked on during a breeze, we were 
expecting a much heavier duty mount.  

Chuck, another product idea for ya :) 

-c

  On Apr 4, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  I thought that was Trump’s plan to eliminate the national debt in 8 years!

  Or a new reality TV show:  Naked and Unshod.

  From: Faisal Imtiaz 
  Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:31 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

  I often tell my wife 

  If the women of the world stopped buying shoes and clothes for 3 months, 
there will be a total world wide economic collapse !

  :)

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

--

From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 3:58:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

Ha
On Apr 4, 2016 1:53 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  I told my wife this morning that I am going to have to find a rehab 
center for an Amazon addict. 

  From: Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 1:47 PM
  To: Animal Farm
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

  My wife always complains that I don't need more tools   I respond... when 
you stop buying shoes, I will stop buying tools...she gives me the death stare.
  On Apr 4, 2016 1:44 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

Chuck, somehow you remind me of my business partner who goes 
looking for projects, cause they are a perfect opportunity to collect (buy) 
more tools... one can never have enough tools !

(He is more into power tools, construction, mechanical etc ...)

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 3:36:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

  I just tested a cable tester from Ideal that qualifies GigE circuits.

  Nice thing is, it will do a data test without cable continuity.
  (It also does the actual cable continuity tests too).

  I wonder what it would show on a less than 1Gbps radio.  $1325

  From: Harold Bledsoe
  Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 1:32 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

  Sorry to be late to the party.  ;-) 

  I have a few comments on iperf though.  Iperf2 is not very reliable 
at high speeds.  For high speeds, iperf3 tends to do a little better assuming 
you have enough computer to push the required speeds.  However iperf3 cannot 
yet do bi-di tests.

  For affordable testing, we've found Mikrotik's traffic generator to 
be pretty good.  It's a little complicated to setup the first time but then it 
is better.  Beware using btest - it uses a single core and can't keep up 
especially if you try random data.

  Then there's RFC testers like Exfo, Smartbits, etc.  We use Smartbits.

  Thanks,
  -Hal

  On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:15 AM Stefan Englhardt  
wrote:

Every new gear is suspicious in regards of holding up to the 
promises made.

We’ve heard so many promises in the past and very often the truth 
does not meet marketing.

So there is nothing aggressive if someone wants to see iperf 
testing. Seeing is believing.

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Ken Hohhof
Gesendet: Montag, 4. April 2016 15:08
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

By comparison to the presidential contest, the tone was very mild!  
Did you see Jimmy Kimmel’s American Girl & Boy Dolls Presidential Collection?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded=FYHPr7TL2AY

From: Faisal Imtiaz 

Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

2016-04-04 Thread Cassidy B. Larson

FWIW on these IgniteNet 60GHz, the mounts are horrendous. We got a couple of 
pairs and my installers are saying they’re worse than a nano bridge mount.. For 
the stability one would need to keep these locked on during a breeze, we were 
expecting a much heavier duty mount.

Chuck, another product idea for ya :)

-c

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> I thought that was Trump’s plan to eliminate the national debt in 8 years!
> 
> Or a new reality TV show:  Naked and Unshod.
> 
> 
> From: Faisal Imtiaz 
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:31 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
> 
> I often tell my wife
> 
> If the women of the world stopped buying shoes and clothes for 3 months, 
> there will be a total world wide economic collapse !
> 
> 
> :)
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 3:58:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
> 
>> Ha
>> On Apr 4, 2016 1:53 PM, "Chuck McCown" > > wrote:
>>> I told my wife this morning that I am going to have to find a rehab center 
>>> for an Amazon addict.
>>> 
>>> From: Jaime Solorza 
>>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 1:47 PM
>>> To: Animal Farm 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>>> 
>>> My wife always complains that I don't need more tools   I respond... when 
>>> you stop buying shoes, I will stop buying tools...she gives me the death 
>>> stare.
>>> On Apr 4, 2016 1:44 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" >> > wrote:
 Chuck, somehow you remind me of my business partner who goes looking 
 for projects, cause they are a perfect opportunity to collect (buy) more 
 tools... one can never have enough tools !
 
 (He is more into power tools, construction, mechanical etc ...)
 
 :)
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
 
 Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or Email: 
 supp...@snappytelecom.net
 
> From: "Chuck McCown" >
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 3:36:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
 
> I just tested a cable tester from Ideal that qualifies GigE circuits.
> 
> Nice thing is, it will do a data test without cable continuity.
> (It also does the actual cable continuity tests too).
> 
> I wonder what it would show on a less than 1Gbps radio.  $1325
> 
> From: Harold Bledsoe 
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 1:32 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
> 
> Sorry to be late to the party.  ;-)
> 
> I have a few comments on iperf though.  Iperf2 is not very reliable at 
> high speeds.  For high speeds, iperf3 tends to do a little better 
> assuming you have enough computer to push the required speeds.  However 
> iperf3 cannot yet do bi-di tests.
> 
> For affordable testing, we've found Mikrotik's traffic generator to be 
> pretty good.  It's a little complicated to setup the first time but then 
> it is better.  Beware using btest - it uses a single core and can't keep 
> up especially if you try random data.
> 
> Then there's RFC testers like Exfo, Smartbits, etc.  We use Smartbits.
> 
> Thanks,
> -Hal
> 
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:15 AM Stefan Englhardt  > wrote:
>> Every new gear is suspicious in regards of holding up to the promises 
>> made.
>> 
>> We’ve heard so many promises in the past and very often the truth does 
>> not meet marketing.
>> 
>> So there is nothing aggressive if someone wants to see iperf testing. 
>> Seeing is believing.
>> 
>> 
>> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im 
>> Auftrag von Ken Hohhof
>> Gesendet: Montag, 4. April 2016 15:08
>> An: af@afmug.com 
>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>> 
>> 
>> By comparison to the presidential contest, the tone was very mild!  Did 
>> you see Jimmy Kimmel’s American Girl & Boy Dolls Presidential Collection?
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded=FYHPr7TL2AY 
>>

Re: [AFMUG] we have a bottleneck...

2016-04-04 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

This is a good opportinty for PR. if its a certainty that you can deliver
the speed reliably and this is just a hiccup, throw him the difference
betweent he two packages as a discount for the month, maybe even a second
month for his trouble. Let them know you identified the issue, thank them
for bringing it to your attention, resolve it, and verify its resolved.
Just make sure the issue actually exists for the customer first and its not
just some dumb issue on his end, that could be a disaster for PR if thats
not resolved first

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 5:48 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:

>
> Temp, hope to relieve it tomorrow.  A customer who just upgraded to faster
> service says slow it back down - not getting any faster speed (he probably
> did before the bottleneck happened)
>
> would you:
>
> a) give him some money back on his last bill and ask him to stick it out
> another month?
> b) go ahead and lower his speed back to the former package?
>
> i'd certainly like to explain what happened but the customer isn't going
> to care much for technobabble anyway.
>
> i'm pretty sure i know how i'm going to handle this but - say - for
> example - i know a certain brand of radio (actually TWO brands) can get
> stuck on the wrong ethernet duplex...so i'm sure this has happened in
> another network before.  just curious how you'd handle it.
>
> thanks :)
>
>
>

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] we have a bottleneck...

2016-04-04 Thread Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]

We had a similar situation. We apologized and lowered the speed/price with the 
promise that we would call him back after the upgrade was fixed.

A month later, we called back and he moved up again and was pleasantly suprised 
with the improvement. He then went on to brag on his NextDoor app about our 
transparency and how great it was.



Jim Bouse
Owner
Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com


 Original message 
From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Date: 04/04/2016 5:48 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] we have a bottleneck...


Temp, hope to relieve it tomorrow.  A customer who just upgraded to faster 
service says slow it back down - not getting any faster speed (he probably did 
before the bottleneck happened)

would you:

a) give him some money back on his last bill and ask him to stick it out 
another month?
b) go ahead and lower his speed back to the former package?

i'd certainly like to explain what happened but the customer isn't going to 
care much for technobabble anyway.

i'm pretty sure i know how i'm going to handle this but - say - for example - i 
know a certain brand of radio (actually TWO brands) can get stuck on the wrong 
ethernet duplex...so i'm sure this has happened in another network before.  
just curious how you'd handle it.

thanks :)

[AFMUG] we have a bottleneck...

2016-04-04 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller


Temp, hope to relieve it tomorrow.  A customer who just upgraded to faster 
service says slow it back down - not getting any faster speed (he probably did 
before the bottleneck happened)

would you:

a) give him some money back on his last bill and ask him to stick it out 
another month?
b) go ahead and lower his speed back to the former package?

i'd certainly like to explain what happened but the customer isn't going to 
care much for technobabble anyway.

i'm pretty sure i know how i'm going to handle this but - say - for example - i 
know a certain brand of radio (actually TWO brands) can get stuck on the wrong 
ethernet duplex...so i'm sure this has happened in another network before.  
just curious how you'd handle it.

thanks :)

Re: [AFMUG] New installer tool for tree problems

2016-04-04 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

yeah, i think the gun kid ended up getting investigated because of some
technicality about altering a weapon to be automated since it was
physically disconnected from the operator


On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> yeah, there didn't appear to be any mechanism to rotate it, and all of
> those shots would be easily faked... that was pretty awesome how easily
> those balloons took it down though.
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 4:08 PM, James Howard  wrote:
>
>> Looked to me that they faked the parts where the saw was actually
>> cutting.  I doubt that crappy McCulloch chainsaw would run very long upside
>> down anyway but every time they show it cutting anything the bar was
>> cutting horizontal and it was always vertical when they showed shots from
>> the other drone or the ground? Didn’t look like it was setup to rotate the
>> chainsaw sideways and the only stuff I could see attached to the chainsaw
>> was the camera on the front of it, nothing to run the throttle.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert Andrews
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 2:55 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New installer tool for tree problems
>>
>>
>>
>> Makes you realize how easy it is to get rid of that pesky drone that
>> keeps showing up over your back yard. A bag of 10 cent balloons, a
>> tank of helium and a roll of kite string... Instant barrage balloons
>> protection..
>>
>> On 04/04/2016 12:18 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> > LOL :)
>> >
>> > On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Balloon 1 Drone 0
>> >>
>> >> On Apr 4, 2016 1:03 PM, "Randy Cosby"  wrote:
>> >>>
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>> >>>
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>> >>>
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>> >>>
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>> >>>
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>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >
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>>
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>>
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>>
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If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

2016-04-04 Thread Ken Hohhof

I thought that was Trump’s plan to eliminate the national debt in 8 years!

Or a new reality TV show:  Naked and Unshod.

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

I often tell my wife 

If the women of the world stopped buying shoes and clothes for 3 months, there 
will be a total world wide economic collapse !

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

  From: "Jaime Solorza" 
  To: "Animal Farm" 
  Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 3:58:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

  Ha

  On Apr 4, 2016 1:53 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

I told my wife this morning that I am going to have to find a rehab center 
for an Amazon addict. 

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 1:47 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

My wife always complains that I don't need more tools   I respond... when 
you stop buying shoes, I will stop buying tools...she gives me the death stare.

On Apr 4, 2016 1:44 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

  Chuck, somehow you remind me of my business partner who goes looking 
for projects, cause they are a perfect opportunity to collect (buy) more 
tools... one can never have enough tools !

  (He is more into power tools, construction, mechanical etc ...)

  :)

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

--

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 3:36:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

I just tested a cable tester from Ideal that qualifies GigE circuits.

Nice thing is, it will do a data test without cable continuity.
(It also does the actual cable continuity tests too).

I wonder what it would show on a less than 1Gbps radio.  $1325

From: Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 1:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

Sorry to be late to the party.  ;-) 

I have a few comments on iperf though.  Iperf2 is not very reliable at 
high speeds.  For high speeds, iperf3 tends to do a little better assuming you 
have enough computer to push the required speeds.  However iperf3 cannot yet do 
bi-di tests.

For affordable testing, we've found Mikrotik's traffic generator to be 
pretty good.  It's a little complicated to setup the first time but then it is 
better.  Beware using btest - it uses a single core and can't keep up 
especially if you try random data.

Then there's RFC testers like Exfo, Smartbits, etc.  We use Smartbits.

Thanks,
-Hal

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:15 AM Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

  Every new gear is suspicious in regards of holding up to the promises 
made.

  We’ve heard so many promises in the past and very often the truth 
does not meet marketing.

  So there is nothing aggressive if someone wants to see iperf testing. 
Seeing is believing.

  Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Ken Hohhof
  Gesendet: Montag, 4. April 2016 15:08
  An: af@afmug.com
  Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

  By comparison to the presidential contest, the tone was very mild!  
Did you see Jimmy Kimmel’s American Girl & Boy Dolls Presidential Collection?

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded=FYHPr7TL2AY

  From: Faisal Imtiaz 

  Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 8:03 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

  I am not being defensive about Ignite, as I stated in my email I 
am having a reaction to the tone of your question. If you were to look at my 
posts you will also see that I have expressed similar feelings to others in 
regards to how they ask the question... irrespective of who they are asking 
about.  I also apologized for this being a personality defect in myself.

  The Cut & Paste was not for your benefit, but for others who lurk in 
the forums.

  There is nothing wrong with running an iperf test.. but you 
specifically asked for the test to be run in a very particular way, from very 
particular pieces of equipment. 

  My

Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

2016-04-04 Thread Daniel White

Even when I had my manufacturer hat on… it’s hard to dismiss that many 
manufacturers put too heavy of a marketing spin on stuff.  And new companies 
are hard to judge one way or another.



Also most manufacturers cringe at iPerf testing since there are so many 
variables.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 8:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?



Every new gear is suspicious in regards of holding up to the promises made.



We’ve heard so many promises in the past and very often the truth does not meet 
marketing.



So there is nothing aggressive if someone wants to see iperf testing. Seeing is 
believing.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Ken Hohhof
Gesendet: Montag, 4. April 2016 15:08
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?



By comparison to the presidential contest, the tone was very mild!  Did you see 
Jimmy Kimmel’s American Girl & Boy Dolls Presidential Collection?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded 
 
=FYHPr7TL2AY





From: Faisal Imtiaz 

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 8:03 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?



I am not being defensive about Ignite, as I stated in my email I am having 
a reaction to the tone of your question. If you were to look at my posts you 
will also see that I have expressed similar feelings to others in regards to 
how they ask the question... irrespective of who they are asking about.  I also 
apologized for this being a personality defect in myself.



The Cut & Paste was not for your benefit, but for others who lurk in the forums.



There is nothing wrong with running an iperf test.. but you specifically asked 
for the test to be run in a very particular way, from very particular pieces of 
equipment.



My apologies if I am over reacting WISP's have many many great attributes, 
however there is one attribute which would be nice to change for the better 
Our Attitudes towards the mfg. and the default presumption of a 'conspiracy' or 
'they are trying to pull a fast one on us'. along with it also having 
enough fortitude to asking the MFG and or their representatives the technical 
questions before coming to the open forums and taking an opinion poll



ok, I will now get off my soap box.







Regards





Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 




  _

From: "Eric Kuhnke"  >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 11:52:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

For somebody who doesn't own a piece of the company and doesn't work there, 
you're extremely defensive. I don't need a copied and pasted explanation of 
what FDD and TDD are.

How in any way whatsoever is it inappropriate to run iperf tests on a newly 
released PTP bridge radio?



On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  > wrote:

like I said before..  ask the question directly... no need for the cloak and 
dagger ...



---

Frequency-division duplexing (FDD) is a method for establishing a full-duplex 
communications link that uses two different radio frequencies for transmitter 
and receiver operation. The transmit direction and receive direction 
frequencies are separated by a defined frequency offset. In the microwave 
realm, the primary advantages of this approach are:

-

NO THEY ARE NOT FDD.





Time-division duplexing (TDD) is a method for emulating full-duplex 
communication over a half-duplex communication link. The transmitter and 
receiver both use the same frequency but transmit and receive traffic is 
switched in time. The primary advantages of this approach as it applies to 
microwave communication are:

--

YES They are TDD. ( The notation of 1gig aggregate should have give this away ! 
)



Like all new products, they are making improvements with firmware updates. The 
published specs are 'conservative'.



These are the first radios of their kind in the market place... I think you 
will need to modify your thinking about them, cause you keep comparing them to 
the other existing (much more expensive) radios in the market place.



Anything else you would like to know ?



Feel free to ask..



BTW, FWIW, I don't work for Ignite, nor do I

Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?

2016-04-04 Thread Jaime Solorza

For sure
On Apr 4, 2016 4:31 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

>  I often tell my wife
>
> If the women of the world stopped buying shoes and clothes for 3 months,
> there will be a total world wide economic collapse !
>
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:58:01 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>
> Ha
> On Apr 4, 2016 1:53 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> I told my wife this morning that I am going to have to find a rehab
>> center for an Amazon addict.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:47 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>>
>>
>> My wife always complains that I don't need more tools   I respond... when
>> you stop buying shoes, I will stop buying tools...she gives me the death
>> stare.
>> On Apr 4, 2016 1:44 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>>
>>> Chuck, somehow you remind me of my business partner who goes looking
>>> for projects, cause they are a perfect opportunity to collect (buy) more
>>> tools... one can never have enough tools !
>>>
>>> (He is more into power tools, construction, mechanical etc ...)
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Monday, April 4, 2016 3:36:59 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>>>
>>> I just tested a cable tester from Ideal that qualifies GigE circuits.
>>>
>>> Nice thing is, it will do a data test without cable continuity.
>>> (It also does the actual cable continuity tests too).
>>>
>>> I wonder what it would show on a less than 1Gbps radio.  $1325
>>>
>>> *From:* Harold Bledsoe 
>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 1:32 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?
>>>
>>> Sorry to be late to the party.  ;-)
>>>
>>> I have a few comments on iperf though.  Iperf2 is not very reliable at
>>> high speeds.  For high speeds, iperf3 tends to do a little better assuming
>>> you have enough computer to push the required speeds.  However iperf3
>>> cannot yet do bi-di tests.
>>>
>>> For affordable testing, we've found Mikrotik's traffic generator to be
>>> pretty good.  It's a little complicated to setup the first time but then it
>>> is better.  Beware using btest - it uses a single core and can't keep up
>>> especially if you try random data.
>>>
>>> Then there's RFC testers like Exfo, Smartbits, etc.  We use Smartbits.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Hal
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:15 AM Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
>>>
 Every new gear is suspicious in regards of holding up to the promises
 made.



 We’ve heard so many promises in the past and very often the truth does
 not meet marketing.



 So there is nothing aggressive if someone wants to see iperf testing.
 Seeing is believing.





 *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Ken Hohhof
 *Gesendet:* Montag, 4. April 2016 15:08
 *An:* af@afmug.com
 *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?




 By comparison to the presidential contest, the tone was very mild!  Did
 you see Jimmy Kimmel’s American Girl & Boy Dolls Presidential Collection?

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded=FYHPr7TL2AY



 *From:* Faisal Imtiaz 

 *Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 8:03 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IniteNet 60 GHz radio iperf tests?



 I am not being defensive about Ignite, as I stated in my email I am
 having a reaction to the tone of your question. If you were to look at my
 posts you will also see that I have expressed similar feelings to others in
 regards to how they ask the question... irrespective of who they are asking
 about.  I also apologized for this being a personality defect in myself.



 The Cut & Paste was not for your benefit, but for others who lurk in
 the forums.



 There is nothing wrong with running an iperf test.. but you
 specifically asked for the test to be run in a very particular way, from
 very particular pieces of equipment.



 My apologies if I

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