date:20161130

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Bill Prince

We pay $0 for our TV. Is that low enough? OTA, we get 60+ channels. Many 
Spanish, Korean, and Chinese, but all the main network channels and 6 
PBS channels are included.


We have a DVR+, which also gets us access to a bunch of streaming 
channels. And a Roku as well. We don't pay for premium channels.



bp


On 11/30/2016 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I'm actually kind of surprised this many people pay for cable.  Am I 
the only nerd that doesn't?



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:52 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


I have a Hopper3 and two Joey's at home. Top 250, no premiums.
Still $120/mo. The Hopper3 is awesome though.


On 11/30/2016 6:32 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

I just signed up for Dish in September and I have the Hopper DVR,
a Joey, and the Flex channel pack and my total bill is $60/month
with tax.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

We pay 120.00 for Dish..  What gives?  Travis negotiation
skills?


On Nov 30, 2016 4:16 PM, "Cameron Crum" mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:

Wow, what plan is Travis on? I have Dish right now too,
but nowhere close to that.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Tyler Treat
mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:

Same here.  Can't seem to get below $118/month.

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___
Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com

___


On Nov 30, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Chuck McCown
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


I was never able to get that much for that little.
*From:* Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:31 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
Hey,

Can you skip any commercials, or is that how they
are helping pay for the service?

With my DISH Network, I can skip all the
commercials... plus DVR function, and over 250
channels including HBO, Showtime, etc. for less than
$50/month. I also get all the local channels in HD
without having to add another antenna. :)

Travis




On 11/30/2016 1:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Damn, I am liking this.ï¿½ And I have tried them
all.ï¿½
ï¿½
Direct TV Satellite
Dish Network
SlingTV
Sony Playstation VUE
Beehive IPTV
Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
TIVO
ï¿½
I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.ï¿½
So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that
is very similar to what you see on the satellite
receiver.ï¿½
Channel changes are instant.ï¿½
Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites
or whatever they call it.ï¿½
ï¿½
*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
ï¿½
Two stream limit.ï¿½
ï¿½
*From:* Tyler Treat
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
ï¿½

ï¿½

Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?



*From:* Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of
Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
ï¿½
https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

ï¿½
I am signing up.ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Josh Luthman

That's kind of where I'm at.  Everything across 300 channels is complete
crap, so I just obtain the limited shows I like through other means...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> Haven't had cable for 12 years.  When I had it before that, I would
> literally only watch 1 channel.  There just isn't anything on.  I don't
> even bother to turn on the TV in a hotel room anymore.
>
> On 11/30/2016 6:59 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>
> I guess I'm just not the typical millennial.
>
> On 11/30/2016 6:55 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> I'm actually kind of surprised this many people pay for cable.  Am I the
> only nerd that doesn't?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:52 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> I have a Hopper3 and two Joey's at home. Top 250, no premiums. Still
>> $120/mo. The Hopper3 is awesome though.
>>
>>
>> On 11/30/2016 6:32 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>
>> I just signed up for Dish in September and I have the Hopper DVR, a Joey,
>> and the Flex channel pack and my total bill is $60/month with tax.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> We pay 120.00 for Dish..  What gives?  Travis negotiation skills?
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2016 4:16 PM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>>
 Wow, what plan is Travis on? I have Dish right now too, but nowhere
 close to that.

 On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Tyler Treat <
 tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com> wrote:

> Same here.  Can't seem to get below $118/month.
>
> ___
> Mangled by my iPhone.
> ___
> Tyler Treat
> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>
> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
> ___
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> I was never able to get that much for that little.
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
> Hey,
>
> Can you skip any commercials, or is that how they are helping pay for
> the service?
>
> With my DISH Network, I can skip all the commercials... plus DVR
> function, and over 250 channels including HBO, Showtime, etc. for less 
> than
> $50/month. I also get all the local channels in HD without having to add
> another antenna. :)
>
> Travis
>
>
>
>
> On 11/30/2016 1:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Damn, I am liking this.ï¿½ And I have tried them all.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> Direct TV Satellite
> Dish Network
> SlingTV
> Sony Playstation VUE
> Beehive IPTV
> Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
> TIVO
> ï¿½
> I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.ï¿½
> So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to
> what you see on the satellite receiver.ï¿½
> Channel changes are instant.ï¿½
> Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they
> call it.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> ï¿½
> Two stream limit.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> *From:* Tyler Treat
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> ï¿½
>
> ï¿½
> Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
> how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?
>
> --
> *From:* Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Chuck McCown
> mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> ï¿½
> https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan
> ï¿½
> I am signing up.ï¿½
>
>
>

>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

this is actually a grand opportunity, since the ubnt AP will still be live
and visible (i think) in the in the monitor - wireless, a direct software
interpretation comparison
wanna bet the noise floor isnt -93 or -91 on every unit anymore. I always
wondered if the noise floor is just a random choice generator between those
two numbers

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> At least part of it seems to be differences in how they calculate signal
> levels. It will be interesting to compare a Force 200 and a PowerBeam
> running the same software.
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:47 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Still the issue of 2.4 EPMP does not seem to penetrate as well as UBNT -
>> at least from my field guys.
>> I know there was some serious discussion on this once upon a time.
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Jon Langeler 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 5:16 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>>
>> I want to know the throughput comparisons? EPMP vs UBNT now?
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 10:57 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>> It's not a bad deal at all. We have several towers where we put up both
>> UBNT and ePMP 5ghz APs, with the intention of eventually replacing all the
>> UBNT CPE with ePMP and shutting down the old AP - this is going to save us
>> a ton of time and money.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:40 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 35 bucks a pop to extend a depreciated hardware is not a bad deal at all
>>>
>>> they just said if you have a failed AP, theyll honor system your
>>> licenses to an existing AP you have so you dont have to wait on RMA
>>>
>>> Im beginning to wonder about Cambium, theyre building EPMP into a really
>>> hot product that is good enough to compete with the 450 in the margin
>>> markets
>>>
>>> Is this the same Cambium that bought moto, or has there been a
>>> restructuring? Because originally, they were bigger cocks than moto
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Jason Wilson >> > wrote:
>>>
 Mikrotik?

 On Nov 30, 2016 7:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> we have been installing epmp SMs to ubnt backhauls on small sites by
> shutting off airmax until we get a chance to get EPMP APs at the site, 
> this
> might give us a better window
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
>> Compatible doesn't mean "same".  Software for an Intel 386 is
>> compatible with an Intel Core isn't it?
>>
>> Point taken though...ePMP is still 802.11n.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Stefan Englhardt" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 11/30/2016 10:25:23 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>>
>> They found out that their new ePMP CPEs use the same hardware as the
>> oldest UBNT-Atheros-Crap. So no porting problem. Just install the same 
>> SW.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *That One
>> Guy /sarcasm
>> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 16:12
>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>>
>>
>>
>> you have to wonder if at some point cambium hired marsellus wallace
>>  and some hard, pipe-hittin' people, who'll go to work on the ubnt
>> managers here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch to get hardware 
>> access
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> im in the webinar, I didnt realize thats what the webinar was when I
>> signed up for it but now im all giddy like a school girl
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>>
>> I prefer the Cambium direct link: http://www.cambiumnetwor
>> ks.com/blog/dont-migrate---elevate/
>>
>>
>>
>> Very interesting indeed... very interesting.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Tyler Treat <
>> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com> wrote:
>>
>> This ought to shake things up a bit.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161130005468/en/
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> / 
>>
>> www.businesswire.com
>>
>> /
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see yo

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Nate Burke

Haven't had cable for 12 years.  When I had it before that, I would 
literally only watch 1 channel.  There just isn't anything on.  I don't 
even bother to turn on the TV in a hotel room anymore.


On 11/30/2016 6:59 PM, George Skorup wrote:

I guess I'm just not the typical millennial.

On 11/30/2016 6:55 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I'm actually kind of surprised this many people pay for cable.  Am I 
the only nerd that doesn't?



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:52 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


I have a Hopper3 and two Joey's at home. Top 250, no premiums.
Still $120/mo. The Hopper3 is awesome though.


On 11/30/2016 6:32 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

I just signed up for Dish in September and I have the Hopper
DVR, a Joey, and the Flex channel pack and my total bill is
$60/month with tax.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

We pay 120.00 for Dish..  What gives?  Travis negotiation
skills?


On Nov 30, 2016 4:16 PM, "Cameron Crum" mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:

Wow, what plan is Travis on? I have Dish right now too,
but nowhere close to that.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Tyler Treat
mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:

Same here.  Can't seem to get below $118/month.

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___
Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com

___


On Nov 30, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Chuck McCown
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


I was never able to get that much for that little.
*From:* Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:31 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
Hey,

Can you skip any commercials, or is that how they
are helping pay for the service?

With my DISH Network, I can skip all the
commercials... plus DVR function, and over 250
channels including HBO, Showtime, etc. for less
than $50/month. I also get all the local channels
in HD without having to add another antenna. :)

Travis




On 11/30/2016 1:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Damn, I am liking this.ï¿½ And I have tried them
all.ï¿½
ï¿½
Direct TV Satellite
Dish Network
SlingTV
Sony Playstation VUE
Beehive IPTV
Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
TIVO
ï¿½
I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.ï¿½
So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG
that is very similar to what you see on the
satellite receiver.ï¿½
Channel changes are instant.ï¿½
Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites
or whatever they call it.ï¿½
ï¿½
*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
ï¿½
Two stream limit.ï¿½
ï¿½
*From:* Tyler Treat
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
ï¿½

ï¿½

Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?



*From:* Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf
of Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
ï¿½
https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

ï¿½
I am signing up.ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! - eh, 2.4 ?

2016-11-30 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

i am very disappointed in the ubnt forum, i just went there expecting hours
of enetertainment, one thread, one lame thread thats mostly screenshots of
the webinar. maybe every fanboys head exploded, whatever will ubnt do
without their fanboys harrassing general members of the community seeking
support. This is unacceptable, completely ridiculous, Im going to go on
strike

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 6:33 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> You don’t like Cambiquiti?  In either case, ePMP Man is not amused.
>
> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/bstrc49894/attachments/
> bstrc49894/forums_epmp_1000/8020/1/IMG_3508.JPG
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:28 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! - eh, 2.4 ?
>
>
>
> Ubium.Has a ring to it
>
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2016 5:24 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>
> The website says end of Q1 2017 for 2.4ghz - which is fine with me, I
> don't want to start replacing APs in the winter anyway.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> Watch the webinar.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 30, 2016 5:41:01 PM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! - eh, 2.4 ?
>
> 
>
>
>
> Um, so this is available for both 5 ghz and 2.4 ghz?
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard 
>
> *To:* af 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:32 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
>
>
> Indeed. It looks to me like unless UBNT can come up with a 2.4ghz AP with
> working sync in the next few months, our entire network is going ePMP.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:24 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is capitalism in its finest form. Cambium just upped the bar
> substantially. The market had a very serious issue, and they solved it,
> while still generating substantial revenue. Im curious what their profit
> per hardware unit sold is compared to the profit per license, with no real
> liability. Hopefully this will force ubnt to really focus efforts on real
> sync that actually works and get an actual legitimate support channel. Or
> even better, sell their radios preloaded with the EPMP load and work out a
> discount for AP licenses through them for their customers. Mikrotik I
> assume is just saying "meh, our products are good"
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is pretty neat with the whole Mikrotik thing, basically you can run a
> Mikrotik CPE network and be GPS synchronized then...
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Jason Wilson 
> wrote:
>
> ePMP Elevate Compatibility
>
> *check the Release Notes for complete details*
>
>- *Loco M5 XW*
>- *Loco M5 XM*
>- *NanoStation M5 XW*
>- *NanoStation M5 XM*
>- *NanoBridge M5 XM*
>- *Rocket M5 XM*
>- *Rocket M5 XW*
>- *Powerbeam M5 XW*
>- *Airgrid M5HP XW*
>- *Airgrid M5 XM*
>- *NanoBeam M5 XW*
>
> ePMP Elevate DevelopmentsRELEASE 1.0 - NOW AVAILABLE
>
>- XM + XW model
>- Rocket M5 support as a SM - Dec 28, 2016
>
> RELEASE 2.0 - END OF Q1 2017
>
>- MikroTik Support - Alpha engagement in Q4, 2016
>- RB911G5HPnDQRT
>- RBSXT5nDr2
>- RB912UAG5HPnDOT
>
> 2.4 XW + XM MODELS - END OF Q1, 2017DELIBERANT SUPPORT - Q2, 2017
>
>
> Jason Wilson
>
> Remotely Located
>
> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>
> 530-651-1736 <%28530%29%20651-1736>
>
> 530-748-9608 <%28530%29%20748-9608> Cell
>
> www.remotelylocated.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
>
> Does this work for 11ac Mikrotiks ;-))
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Jason Wilson
> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 17:03
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
>
>
> I tuned in to the last half of the webinar, Mikrotik is down the road, BUT
> is in the works.  From a 100% Mikrotik network that is a time/cash saver.
>
>
> Jason Wilson
>
> Remotely Located
>
> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>
> 530-651-1736 <%28530%29%20651-1736>
>
> 530-748-9608 <%28530%29%20748-9608> Cell
>
> www.remotelylocated.co

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

yes this was before force 200, only option was reflectors at the time. I
did a direct swap of the radio mount on the existing reflectors with 450
radios in them and never even re-aligned a dish, running much better now
for these 15 customers I had on this tower.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> Thanks for the response. Out of curiosity was this before the force 200
> was available for 2.4? We have been using lots of force 200 in 2.4 and
> having good luck with LOS and NLOS locations.  I can count on one hand
> where we can use the integrated units however.
>
> We never did get into the reflectors and other options.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:34 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
>
>
> Brandon,
>
>
>
> Yes I had a tower that was EPMP 2.4 before I converter it to 450 and the
> 450 is running much better. The ePMP really only worked in LOS and very
> limited would work on some NLOS links. I even had trouble with the EPMP on
> some LOS links.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:
>
> Kurt,
>
> Have you tested the ePMP 2.4 as well?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 5:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
>
>
> 2.4ghz PMP450 penetrates better than UBNT 2.4. Don't know if its the slant
> polarization helping or what.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 6:47 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Still the issue of 2.4 EPMP does not seem to penetrate as well as UBNT -
> at least from my field guys.
>
> I know there was some serious discussion on this once upon a time.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Jon Langeler 
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 5:16 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
>
>
> I want to know the throughput comparisons? EPMP vs UBNT now?
>
> Jon Langeler
>
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 10:57 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> It's not a bad deal at all. We have several towers where we put up both
> UBNT and ePMP 5ghz APs, with the intention of eventually replacing all the
> UBNT CPE with ePMP and shutting down the old AP - this is going to save us
> a ton of time and money.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:40 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 35 bucks a pop to extend a depreciated hardware is not a bad deal at all
>
>
>
> they just said if you have a failed AP, theyll honor system your licenses
> to an existing AP you have so you dont have to wait on RMA
>
>
>
> Im beginning to wonder about Cambium, theyre building EPMP into a really
> hot product that is good enough to compete with the 450 in the margin
> markets
>
>
>
> Is this the same Cambium that bought moto, or has there been a
> restructuring? Because originally, they were bigger cocks than moto
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Jason Wilson 
> wrote:
>
> Mikrotik?
>
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2016 7:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> we have been installing epmp SMs to ubnt backhauls on small sites by
> shutting off airmax until we get a chance to get EPMP APs at the site, this
> might give us a better window
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Compatible doesn't mean "same".  Software for an Intel 386 is compatible
> with an Intel Core isn't it?
>
>
>
> Point taken though...ePMP is still 802.11n.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Stefan Englhardt" 
>
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
> Sent: 11/30/2016 10:25:23 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
>
>
> They found out that their new ePMP CPEs use the same hardware as the
> oldest UBNT-Atheros-Crap. So no porting problem. Just install the same SW.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 16:12
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
>
>
> you have to wonder if at some point cambium hired marsellus wallace  and
> some hard, pipe-hittin' people, who'll go to work on the ubnt managers
> here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch to get hardware access
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> im in the webinar, I didnt realize thats what the webinar was when I
> signed up for it but now im all giddy like a school girl
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>
> I prefer the Cambium direct link: http://www.
> cambiumnetworks.com/blog/dont-migrate---elevate/
>
>
>
> Very interesting indeed... very interesting.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Tyler Treat 
> wrote:
>
> This ought to shake things up a bit.
>
>
>
> http://www.businesswire.com/n

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread George Skorup


I guess I'm just not the typical millennial.

On 11/30/2016 6:55 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I'm actually kind of surprised this many people pay for cable.  Am I 
the only nerd that doesn't?



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:52 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


I have a Hopper3 and two Joey's at home. Top 250, no premiums.
Still $120/mo. The Hopper3 is awesome though.


On 11/30/2016 6:32 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

I just signed up for Dish in September and I have the Hopper DVR,
a Joey, and the Flex channel pack and my total bill is $60/month
with tax.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

We pay 120.00 for Dish..  What gives?  Travis negotiation
skills?


On Nov 30, 2016 4:16 PM, "Cameron Crum" mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:

Wow, what plan is Travis on? I have Dish right now too,
but nowhere close to that.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Tyler Treat
mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:

Same here.  Can't seem to get below $118/month.

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___
Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com

___


On Nov 30, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Chuck McCown
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


I was never able to get that much for that little.
*From:* Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:31 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
Hey,

Can you skip any commercials, or is that how they
are helping pay for the service?

With my DISH Network, I can skip all the
commercials... plus DVR function, and over 250
channels including HBO, Showtime, etc. for less than
$50/month. I also get all the local channels in HD
without having to add another antenna. :)

Travis




On 11/30/2016 1:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Damn, I am liking this.ï¿½ And I have tried them
all.ï¿½
ï¿½
Direct TV Satellite
Dish Network
SlingTV
Sony Playstation VUE
Beehive IPTV
Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
TIVO
ï¿½
I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.ï¿½
So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that
is very similar to what you see on the satellite
receiver.ï¿½
Channel changes are instant.ï¿½
Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites
or whatever they call it.ï¿½
ï¿½
*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
ï¿½
Two stream limit.ï¿½
ï¿½
*From:* Tyler Treat
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
ï¿½

ï¿½

Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?



*From:* Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of
Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
ï¿½
https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

ï¿½
I am signing up.ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread Brandon Yuchasz

Thanks for the response. Out of curiosity was this before the force 200 was 
available for 2.4? We have been using lots of force 200 in 2.4 and having good 
luck with LOS and NLOS locations.  I can count on one hand where we can use the 
integrated units however. 

We never did get into the reflectors and other options.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

 

Brandon, 

 

Yes I had a tower that was EPMP 2.4 before I converter it to 450 and the 450 is 
running much better. The ePMP really only worked in LOS and very limited would 
work on some NLOS links. I even had trouble with the EPMP on some LOS links.

 

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Brandon Yuchasz  wrote:

Kurt,

Have you tested the ePMP 2.4 as well?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 5:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

 

2.4ghz PMP450 penetrates better than UBNT 2.4. Don't know if its the slant 
polarization helping or what.

 

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 6:47 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:

 

Still the issue of 2.4 EPMP does not seem to penetrate as well as UBNT - at 
least from my field guys.

I know there was some serious discussion on this once upon a time.

 

- Original Message - 

From: Jon Langeler   

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 5:16 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

 

I want to know the throughput comparisons? EPMP vs UBNT now?

Jon Langeler

Michwave Technologies, Inc.

 


On Nov 30, 2016, at 10:57 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

It's not a bad deal at all. We have several towers where we put up both UBNT 
and ePMP 5ghz APs, with the intention of eventually replacing all the UBNT CPE 
with ePMP and shutting down the old AP - this is going to save us a ton of time 
and money.

 

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:40 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

35 bucks a pop to extend a depreciated hardware is not a bad deal at all 

 

they just said if you have a failed AP, theyll honor system your licenses to an 
existing AP you have so you dont have to wait on RMA

 

Im beginning to wonder about Cambium, theyre building EPMP into a really hot 
product that is good enough to compete with the 450 in the margin markets

 

Is this the same Cambium that bought moto, or has there been a restructuring? 
Because originally, they were bigger cocks than moto

 

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Jason Wilson  wrote:

Mikrotik?

 

On Nov 30, 2016 7:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
wrote:

we have been installing epmp SMs to ubnt backhauls on small sites by shutting 
off airmax until we get a chance to get EPMP APs at the site, this might give 
us a better window

 

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

Compatible doesn't mean "same".  Software for an Intel 386 is compatible with 
an Intel Core isn't it?  

 

Point taken though...ePMP is still 802.11n.  

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Stefan Englhardt" 

To: "af@afmug.com" 

Sent: 11/30/2016 10:25:23 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

 

They found out that their new ePMP CPEs use the same hardware as the oldest 
UBNT-Atheros-Crap. So no porting problem. Just install the same SW.

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von That One Guy /sarcasm
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 16:12
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

 

you have to wonder if at some point cambium hired marsellus wallace  and some 
hard, pipe-hittin' people, who'll go to work on the ubnt managers here with a 
pair of pliers and a blow torch to get hardware access

 

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

im in the webinar, I didnt realize thats what the webinar was when I signed up 
for it but now im all giddy like a school girl

 

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:

I prefer the Cambium direct link: 
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog/dont-migrate---elevate/

 

Very interesting indeed... very interesting. 

 

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Tyler Treat  
wrote:

This ought to shake things up a bit.  

 

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161130005468/en/

 


  

  /

www.businesswire.com

/

 

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





 

-- 

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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





 

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If you

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

Well I'm not going to steal it so the only option is pay for it.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:55 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I'm actually kind of surprised this many people pay for cable.  Am I the
> only nerd that doesn't?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:52 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> I have a Hopper3 and two Joey's at home. Top 250, no premiums. Still
>> $120/mo. The Hopper3 is awesome though.
>>
>>
>> On 11/30/2016 6:32 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>
>> I just signed up for Dish in September and I have the Hopper DVR, a Joey,
>> and the Flex channel pack and my total bill is $60/month with tax.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> We pay 120.00 for Dish..  What gives?  Travis negotiation skills?
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2016 4:16 PM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>>
 Wow, what plan is Travis on? I have Dish right now too, but nowhere
 close to that.

 On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Tyler Treat <
 tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com> wrote:

> Same here.  Can't seem to get below $118/month.
>
> ___
> Mangled by my iPhone.
> ___
> Tyler Treat
> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>
> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
> ___
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> I was never able to get that much for that little.
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
> Hey,
>
> Can you skip any commercials, or is that how they are helping pay for
> the service?
>
> With my DISH Network, I can skip all the commercials... plus DVR
> function, and over 250 channels including HBO, Showtime, etc. for less 
> than
> $50/month. I also get all the local channels in HD without having to add
> another antenna. :)
>
> Travis
>
>
>
>
> On 11/30/2016 1:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Damn, I am liking this.ï¿½ And I have tried them all.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> Direct TV Satellite
> Dish Network
> SlingTV
> Sony Playstation VUE
> Beehive IPTV
> Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
> TIVO
> ï¿½
> I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.ï¿½
> So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to
> what you see on the satellite receiver.ï¿½
> Channel changes are instant.ï¿½
> Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they
> call it.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> ï¿½
> Two stream limit.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> *From:* Tyler Treat
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> ï¿½
>
> ï¿½
> Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
> how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?
>
> --
> *From:* Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Chuck McCown
> mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> ï¿½
> https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan
> ï¿½
> I am signing up.ï¿½
>
>
>

>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Josh Luthman

I'm actually kind of surprised this many people pay for cable.  Am I the
only nerd that doesn't?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:52 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> I have a Hopper3 and two Joey's at home. Top 250, no premiums. Still
> $120/mo. The Hopper3 is awesome though.
>
>
> On 11/30/2016 6:32 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>
> I just signed up for Dish in September and I have the Hopper DVR, a Joey,
> and the Flex channel pack and my total bill is $60/month with tax.
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> We pay 120.00 for Dish..  What gives?  Travis negotiation skills?
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2016 4:16 PM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, what plan is Travis on? I have Dish right now too, but nowhere
>>> close to that.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Tyler Treat <
>>> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com> wrote:
>>>
 Same here.  Can't seem to get below $118/month.

 ___
 Mangled by my iPhone.
 ___
 Tyler Treat
 Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

 tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
 ___


 On Nov 30, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

 I was never able to get that much for that little.

 *From:* Travis Johnson
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:31 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

 Hey,

 Can you skip any commercials, or is that how they are helping pay for
 the service?

 With my DISH Network, I can skip all the commercials... plus DVR
 function, and over 250 channels including HBO, Showtime, etc. for less than
 $50/month. I also get all the local channels in HD without having to add
 another antenna. :)

 Travis




 On 11/30/2016 1:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

 Damn, I am liking this.ï¿½ And I have tried them all.ï¿½
 ï¿½
 Direct TV Satellite
 Dish Network
 SlingTV
 Sony Playstation VUE
 Beehive IPTV
 Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
 TIVO
 ï¿½
 I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.ï¿½
 So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to
 what you see on the satellite receiver.ï¿½
 Channel changes are instant.ï¿½
 Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call
 it.ï¿½
 ï¿½
 *From:* Chuck McCown
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
 ï¿½
 Two stream limit.ï¿½
 ï¿½
 *From:* Tyler Treat
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
 ï¿½

 ï¿½
 Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
 how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?

 --
 *From:* Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Chuck McCown
 mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
 ï¿½
 https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan
 ï¿½
 I am signing up.ï¿½



>>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread George Skorup

I have a Hopper3 and two Joey's at home. Top 250, no premiums. Still 
$120/mo. The Hopper3 is awesome though.


On 11/30/2016 6:32 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
I just signed up for Dish in September and I have the Hopper DVR, a 
Joey, and the Flex channel pack and my total bill is $60/month with tax.


On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


We pay 120.00 for Dish..  What gives?  Travis negotiation skills?


On Nov 30, 2016 4:16 PM, "Cameron Crum" mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:

Wow, what plan is Travis on? I have Dish right now too, but
nowhere close to that.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Tyler Treat
mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:

Same here.  Can't seem to get below $118/month.

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___
Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com

___


On Nov 30, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


I was never able to get that much for that little.
*From:* Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:31 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
Hey,

Can you skip any commercials, or is that how they are
helping pay for the service?

With my DISH Network, I can skip all the commercials...
plus DVR function, and over 250 channels including HBO,
Showtime, etc. for less than $50/month. I also get all
the local channels in HD without having to add another
antenna. :)

Travis




On 11/30/2016 1:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Damn, I am liking this.ï¿½ And I have tried them all.ï¿½
ï¿½
Direct TV Satellite
Dish Network
SlingTV
Sony Playstation VUE
Beehive IPTV
Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
TIVO
ï¿½
I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.ï¿½
So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is
very similar to what you see on the satellite receiver.ï¿½
Channel changes are instant.ï¿½
Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or
whatever they call it.ï¿½
ï¿½
*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
ï¿½
Two stream limit.ï¿½
ï¿½
*From:* Tyler Treat
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
ï¿½

ï¿½

Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?



*From:* Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of
Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
ï¿½
https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

ï¿½
I am signing up.ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread Josh Luthman

Same CPU, so that's nice.

The Beam5 isn't as good of an antenna and almost certainly has less
shielding/filtering.

Really it enables you to move 30 customers over to an EPMP AP and if you
need to replace a few bad eggs you can do that in the next few days or
weeks.  Having a good AP with sync and TDD will just feel so good in
comparison.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 6:16 PM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> I want to know the throughput comparisons? EPMP vs UBNT now?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 10:57 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> It's not a bad deal at all. We have several towers where we put up both
> UBNT and ePMP 5ghz APs, with the intention of eventually replacing all the
> UBNT CPE with ePMP and shutting down the old AP - this is going to save us
> a ton of time and money.
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:40 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 35 bucks a pop to extend a depreciated hardware is not a bad deal at all
>>
>> they just said if you have a failed AP, theyll honor system your licenses
>> to an existing AP you have so you dont have to wait on RMA
>>
>> Im beginning to wonder about Cambium, theyre building EPMP into a really
>> hot product that is good enough to compete with the 450 in the margin
>> markets
>>
>> Is this the same Cambium that bought moto, or has there been a
>> restructuring? Because originally, they were bigger cocks than moto
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Jason Wilson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mikrotik?
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2016 7:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 we have been installing epmp SMs to ubnt backhauls on small sites by
 shutting off airmax until we get a chance to get EPMP APs at the site, this
 might give us a better window

 On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

> Compatible doesn't mean "same".  Software for an Intel 386 is
> compatible with an Intel Core isn't it?
>
> Point taken though...ePMP is still 802.11n.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Stefan Englhardt" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 11/30/2016 10:25:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
> They found out that their new ePMP CPEs use the same hardware as the
> oldest UBNT-Atheros-Crap. So no porting problem. Just install the same SW.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 16:12
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
>
>
> you have to wonder if at some point cambium hired marsellus wallace
>  and some hard, pipe-hittin' people, who'll go to work on the ubnt
> managers here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch to get hardware 
> access
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> im in the webinar, I didnt realize thats what the webinar was when I
> signed up for it but now im all giddy like a school girl
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>
> I prefer the Cambium direct link: http://www.cambiumnetwor
> ks.com/blog/dont-migrate---elevate/
>
>
>
> Very interesting indeed... very interesting.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Tyler Treat <
> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com> wrote:
>
> This ought to shake things up a bit.
>
>
>
> http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161130005468/en/
>
>
>
> 
>
> / 
>
> www.businesswire.com
>
> /
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>


 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

Brandon,

Yes I had a tower that was EPMP 2.4 before I converter it to 450 and the
450 is running much better. The ePMP really only worked in LOS and very
limited would work on some NLOS links. I even had trouble with the EPMP on
some LOS links.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> Kurt,
>
> Have you tested the ePMP 2.4 as well?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 5:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
>
>
> 2.4ghz PMP450 penetrates better than UBNT 2.4. Don't know if its the slant
> polarization helping or what.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 6:47 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Still the issue of 2.4 EPMP does not seem to penetrate as well as UBNT -
> at least from my field guys.
>
> I know there was some serious discussion on this once upon a time.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Jon Langeler 
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 5:16 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
>
>
> I want to know the throughput comparisons? EPMP vs UBNT now?
>
> Jon Langeler
>
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 10:57 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> It's not a bad deal at all. We have several towers where we put up both
> UBNT and ePMP 5ghz APs, with the intention of eventually replacing all the
> UBNT CPE with ePMP and shutting down the old AP - this is going to save us
> a ton of time and money.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:40 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 35 bucks a pop to extend a depreciated hardware is not a bad deal at all
>
>
>
> they just said if you have a failed AP, theyll honor system your licenses
> to an existing AP you have so you dont have to wait on RMA
>
>
>
> Im beginning to wonder about Cambium, theyre building EPMP into a really
> hot product that is good enough to compete with the 450 in the margin
> markets
>
>
>
> Is this the same Cambium that bought moto, or has there been a
> restructuring? Because originally, they were bigger cocks than moto
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Jason Wilson 
> wrote:
>
> Mikrotik?
>
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2016 7:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> we have been installing epmp SMs to ubnt backhauls on small sites by
> shutting off airmax until we get a chance to get EPMP APs at the site, this
> might give us a better window
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Compatible doesn't mean "same".  Software for an Intel 386 is compatible
> with an Intel Core isn't it?
>
>
>
> Point taken though...ePMP is still 802.11n.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Stefan Englhardt" 
>
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
> Sent: 11/30/2016 10:25:23 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
>
>
> They found out that their new ePMP CPEs use the same hardware as the
> oldest UBNT-Atheros-Crap. So no porting problem. Just install the same SW.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 16:12
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
>
>
> you have to wonder if at some point cambium hired marsellus wallace  and
> some hard, pipe-hittin' people, who'll go to work on the ubnt managers
> here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch to get hardware access
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> im in the webinar, I didnt realize thats what the webinar was when I
> signed up for it but now im all giddy like a school girl
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>
> I prefer the Cambium direct link: http://www.
> cambiumnetworks.com/blog/dont-migrate---elevate/
>
>
>
> Very interesting indeed... very interesting.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Tyler Treat 
> wrote:
>
> This ought to shake things up a bit.
>
>
>
> http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161130005468/en/
>
>
>
> 
>
> / 
>
> www.businesswire.com
>
> /
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! - eh, 2.4 ?

2016-11-30 Thread Ken Hohhof

You don’t like Cambiquiti?  In either case, ePMP Man is not amused.

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/bstrc49894/attachments/bstrc49894/forums_epmp_1000/8020/1/IMG_3508.JPG

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:28 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! - eh, 2.4 ?

 

Ubium.Has a ring to it

 

On Nov 30, 2016 5:24 PM, "Mathew Howard" mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The website says end of Q1 2017 for 2.4ghz - which is fine with me, I don't 
want to start replacing APs in the winter anyway.

 

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

Watch the webinar.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





  _  


From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 5:41:01 PM


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! - eh, 2.4 ?

 

 

Um, so this is available for both 5 ghz and 2.4 ghz?

- Original Message - 

From: Mathew Howard   

To: af   

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:32 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

 

Indeed. It looks to me like unless UBNT can come up with a 2.4ghz AP with 
working sync in the next few months, our entire network is going ePMP.

 

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:24 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

This is capitalism in its finest form. Cambium just upped the bar 
substantially. The market had a very serious issue, and they solved it, while 
still generating substantial revenue. Im curious what their profit per hardware 
unit sold is compared to the profit per license, with no real liability. 
Hopefully this will force ubnt to really focus efforts on real sync that 
actually works and get an actual legitimate support channel. Or even better, 
sell their radios preloaded with the EPMP load and work out a discount for AP 
licenses through them for their customers. Mikrotik I assume is just saying 
"meh, our products are good"

 

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

This is pretty neat with the whole Mikrotik thing, basically you can run a 
Mikrotik CPE network and be GPS synchronized then...

 

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Jason Wilson mailto:ja...@remotelylocated.com> > wrote:


ePMP Elevate Compatibility


check the Release Notes for complete details

*   Loco M5 XW 
*   Loco M5 XM 
*   NanoStation M5 XW 
*   NanoStation M5 XM 
*   NanoBridge M5 XM 
*   Rocket M5 XM 
*   Rocket M5 XW 
*   Powerbeam M5 XW 
*   Airgrid M5HP XW 
*   Airgrid M5 XM 
*   NanoBeam M5 XW


ePMP Elevate Developments


RELEASE 1.0 - NOW AVAILABLE


*   XM + XW model 
*   Rocket M5 support as a SM - Dec 28, 2016


RELEASE 2.0 - END OF Q1 2017


*   MikroTik Support - Alpha engagement in Q4, 2016 
*   RB911G5HPnDQRT 
*   RBSXT5nDr2 
*   RB912UAG5HPnDOT


2.4 XW + XM MODELS - END OF Q1, 2017


DELIBERANT SUPPORT - Q2, 2017





  

 

Jason Wilson

Remotely Located

Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.

530-651-1736  

530-748-9608   Cell

www.remotelylocated.com  

 

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Stefan Englhardt mailto:s...@genias.net> > wrote:

Does this work for 11ac Mikrotiks ;-))

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] Im Auftrag 
von Jason Wilson
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 17:03
An: af@afmug.com  
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

 

I tuned in to the last half of the webinar, Mikrotik is down the road, BUT is 
in the works.  From a 100% Mikrotik network that is a time/cash saver.




  

 

Jason Wilson

Remotely Located

Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.

530-651-1736  

530-748-9608   Cell

www.remotelylocated.com  

 

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Jason Wilson mailto:ja...@remotelylocated.com> > wrote:

Mikrotik?

 

On Nov 30, 2016 7:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" mailto:thatoneguyst...@

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

I just signed up for Dish in September and I have the Hopper DVR, a Joey,
and the Flex channel pack and my total bill is $60/month with tax.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> We pay 120.00 for Dish..  What gives?  Travis negotiation skills?
>
> On Nov 30, 2016 4:16 PM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>
>> Wow, what plan is Travis on? I have Dish right now too, but nowhere close
>> to that.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Tyler Treat <
>> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Same here.  Can't seem to get below $118/month.
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Mangled by my iPhone.
>>> ___
>>> Tyler Treat
>>> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>>>
>>> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
>>> ___
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>> I was never able to get that much for that little.
>>>
>>> *From:* Travis Johnson
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:31 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> Can you skip any commercials, or is that how they are helping pay for
>>> the service?
>>>
>>> With my DISH Network, I can skip all the commercials... plus DVR
>>> function, and over 250 channels including HBO, Showtime, etc. for less than
>>> $50/month. I also get all the local channels in HD without having to add
>>> another antenna. :)
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/30/2016 1:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>> Damn, I am liking this.ï¿½ And I have tried them all.ï¿½
>>> ï¿½
>>> Direct TV Satellite
>>> Dish Network
>>> SlingTV
>>> Sony Playstation VUE
>>> Beehive IPTV
>>> Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
>>> TIVO
>>> ï¿½
>>> I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.ï¿½
>>> So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to
>>> what you see on the satellite receiver.ï¿½
>>> Channel changes are instant.ï¿½
>>> Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call
>>> it.ï¿½
>>> ï¿½
>>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>>> ï¿½
>>> Two stream limit.ï¿½
>>> ï¿½
>>> *From:* Tyler Treat
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>>> ï¿½
>>>
>>> ï¿½
>>> Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
>>> how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From:* Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Chuck McCown
>>> mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>>> ï¿½
>>> https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan
>>> ï¿½
>>> I am signing up.ï¿½
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! - eh, 2.4 ?

2016-11-30 Thread Jaime Solorza

Ubium.Has a ring to it

On Nov 30, 2016 5:24 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> The website says end of Q1 2017 for 2.4ghz - which is fine with me, I
> don't want to start replacing APs in the winter anyway.
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Watch the webinar.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 30, 2016 5:41:01 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! - eh, 2.4 ?
>>
>> 
>>
>> Um, so this is available for both 5 ghz and 2.4 ghz?
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Mathew Howard 
>> *To:* af 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:32 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>>
>> Indeed. It looks to me like unless UBNT can come up with a 2.4ghz AP with
>> working sync in the next few months, our entire network is going ePMP.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:24 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is capitalism in its finest form. Cambium just upped the bar
>>> substantially. The market had a very serious issue, and they solved it,
>>> while still generating substantial revenue. Im curious what their profit
>>> per hardware unit sold is compared to the profit per license, with no real
>>> liability. Hopefully this will force ubnt to really focus efforts on real
>>> sync that actually works and get an actual legitimate support channel. Or
>>> even better, sell their radios preloaded with the EPMP load and work out a
>>> discount for AP licenses through them for their customers. Mikrotik I
>>> assume is just saying "meh, our products are good"
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 This is pretty neat with the whole Mikrotik thing, basically you can
 run a Mikrotik CPE network and be GPS synchronized then...

 On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Jason Wilson <
 ja...@remotelylocated.com> wrote:

> ePMP Elevate Compatibility
>
> check the Release Notes for complete details
>
>- Loco M5 XW
>- Loco M5 XM
>- NanoStation M5 XW
>- NanoStation M5 XM
>- NanoBridge M5 XM
>- Rocket M5 XM
>- Rocket M5 XW
>- Powerbeam M5 XW
>- Airgrid M5HP XW
>- Airgrid M5 XM
>- NanoBeam M5 XW
>
> ePMP Elevate Developments RELEASE 1.0 - NOW AVAILABLE
>
>- XM + XW model
>- Rocket M5 support as a SM - Dec 28, 2016
>
> RELEASE 2.0 - END OF Q1 2017
>
>- MikroTik Support - Alpha engagement in Q4, 2016
>- RB911G5HPnDQRT
>- RBSXT5nDr2
>- RB912UAG5HPnDOT
>
> 2.4 XW + XM MODELS - END OF Q1, 2017 DELIBERANT SUPPORT - Q2, 2017
>
>
> Jason Wilson
> Remotely Located
> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
> 530-651-1736 <%28530%29%20651-1736>
> 530-748-9608 <%28530%29%20748-9608> Cell
> www.remotelylocated.com
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Stefan Englhardt 
> wrote:
>
>> Does this work for 11ac Mikrotiks ;-))
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Jason Wilson
>> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 17:03
>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>>
>>
>>
>> I tuned in to the last half of the webinar, Mikrotik is down the
>> road, BUT is in the works.  From a 100% Mikrotik network that is a
>> time/cash saver.
>>
>>
>> Jason Wilson
>>
>> Remotely Located
>>
>> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>>
>> 530-651-1736 <%28530%29%20651-1736>
>>
>> 530-748-9608 <%28530%29%20748-9608> Cell
>>
>> www.remotelylocated.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Jason Wilson <
>> ja...@remotelylocated.com> wrote:
>>
>> Mikrotik?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2016 7:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> we have been installing epmp SMs to ubnt backhauls on small sites by
>> shutting off airmax until we get a chance to get EPMP APs at the site, 
>> this
>> might give us a better window
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread Mathew Howard

At least part of it seems to be differences in how they calculate signal
levels. It will be interesting to compare a Force 200 and a PowerBeam
running the same software.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:47 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> Still the issue of 2.4 EPMP does not seem to penetrate as well as UBNT -
> at least from my field guys.
> I know there was some serious discussion on this once upon a time.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jon Langeler 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 5:16 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
> I want to know the throughput comparisons? EPMP vs UBNT now?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 10:57 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> It's not a bad deal at all. We have several towers where we put up both
> UBNT and ePMP 5ghz APs, with the intention of eventually replacing all the
> UBNT CPE with ePMP and shutting down the old AP - this is going to save us
> a ton of time and money.
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:40 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 35 bucks a pop to extend a depreciated hardware is not a bad deal at all
>>
>> they just said if you have a failed AP, theyll honor system your licenses
>> to an existing AP you have so you dont have to wait on RMA
>>
>> Im beginning to wonder about Cambium, theyre building EPMP into a really
>> hot product that is good enough to compete with the 450 in the margin
>> markets
>>
>> Is this the same Cambium that bought moto, or has there been a
>> restructuring? Because originally, they were bigger cocks than moto
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Jason Wilson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mikrotik?
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2016 7:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 we have been installing epmp SMs to ubnt backhauls on small sites by
 shutting off airmax until we get a chance to get EPMP APs at the site, this
 might give us a better window

 On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

> Compatible doesn't mean "same".  Software for an Intel 386 is
> compatible with an Intel Core isn't it?
>
> Point taken though...ePMP is still 802.11n.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Stefan Englhardt" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 11/30/2016 10:25:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
> They found out that their new ePMP CPEs use the same hardware as the
> oldest UBNT-Atheros-Crap. So no porting problem. Just install the same SW.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 16:12
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
>
>
> you have to wonder if at some point cambium hired marsellus wallace
>  and some hard, pipe-hittin' people, who'll go to work on the ubnt
> managers here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch to get hardware 
> access
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> im in the webinar, I didnt realize thats what the webinar was when I
> signed up for it but now im all giddy like a school girl
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>
> I prefer the Cambium direct link: http://www.cambiumnetwor
> ks.com/blog/dont-migrate---elevate/
>
>
>
> Very interesting indeed... very interesting.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Tyler Treat <
> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com> wrote:
>
> This ought to shake things up a bit.
>
>
>
> http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161130005468/en/
>
>
>
> 
>
> / 
>
> www.businesswire.com
>
> /
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>


 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Jaime Solorza

We pay 120.00 for Dish..  What gives?  Travis negotiation skills?

On Nov 30, 2016 4:16 PM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

> Wow, what plan is Travis on? I have Dish right now too, but nowhere close
> to that.
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Tyler Treat  > wrote:
>
>> Same here.  Can't seem to get below $118/month.
>>
>> ___
>> Mangled by my iPhone.
>> ___
>> Tyler Treat
>> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
>> ___
>>
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> I was never able to get that much for that little.
>>
>> *From:* Travis Johnson
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:31 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>>
>> Hey,
>>
>> Can you skip any commercials, or is that how they are helping pay for the
>> service?
>>
>> With my DISH Network, I can skip all the commercials... plus DVR
>> function, and over 250 channels including HBO, Showtime, etc. for less than
>> $50/month. I also get all the local channels in HD without having to add
>> another antenna. :)
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/30/2016 1:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Damn, I am liking this.ï¿½ And I have tried them all.ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> Direct TV Satellite
>> Dish Network
>> SlingTV
>> Sony Playstation VUE
>> Beehive IPTV
>> Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
>> TIVO
>> ï¿½
>> I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.ï¿½
>> So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to
>> what you see on the satellite receiver.ï¿½
>> Channel changes are instant.ï¿½
>> Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call
>> it.ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>> ï¿½
>> Two stream limit.ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> *From:* Tyler Treat
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>> ï¿½
>>
>> ï¿½
>> Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
>> how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Chuck McCown
>> mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>> ï¿½
>> https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan
>> ï¿½
>> I am signing up.ï¿½
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! - eh, 2.4 ?

2016-11-30 Thread Mathew Howard

The website says end of Q1 2017 for 2.4ghz - which is fine with me, I don't
want to start replacing APs in the winter anyway.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Watch the webinar.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 30, 2016 5:41:01 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! - eh, 2.4 ?
>
> 
>
> Um, so this is available for both 5 ghz and 2.4 ghz?
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Mathew Howard 
> *To:* af 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:32 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
> Indeed. It looks to me like unless UBNT can come up with a 2.4ghz AP with
> working sync in the next few months, our entire network is going ePMP.
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:24 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is capitalism in its finest form. Cambium just upped the bar
>> substantially. The market had a very serious issue, and they solved it,
>> while still generating substantial revenue. Im curious what their profit
>> per hardware unit sold is compared to the profit per license, with no real
>> liability. Hopefully this will force ubnt to really focus efforts on real
>> sync that actually works and get an actual legitimate support channel. Or
>> even better, sell their radios preloaded with the EPMP load and work out a
>> discount for AP licenses through them for their customers. Mikrotik I
>> assume is just saying "meh, our products are good"
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is pretty neat with the whole Mikrotik thing, basically you can run
>>> a Mikrotik CPE network and be GPS synchronized then...
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Jason Wilson <
>>> ja...@remotelylocated.com> wrote:
>>>
 ePMP Elevate Compatibility

 check the Release Notes for complete details

- Loco M5 XW
- Loco M5 XM
- NanoStation M5 XW
- NanoStation M5 XM
- NanoBridge M5 XM
- Rocket M5 XM
- Rocket M5 XW
- Powerbeam M5 XW
- Airgrid M5HP XW
- Airgrid M5 XM
- NanoBeam M5 XW

 ePMP Elevate Developments RELEASE 1.0 - NOW AVAILABLE

- XM + XW model
- Rocket M5 support as a SM - Dec 28, 2016

 RELEASE 2.0 - END OF Q1 2017

- MikroTik Support - Alpha engagement in Q4, 2016
- RB911G5HPnDQRT
- RBSXT5nDr2
- RB912UAG5HPnDOT

 2.4 XW + XM MODELS - END OF Q1, 2017 DELIBERANT SUPPORT - Q2, 2017


 Jason Wilson
 Remotely Located
 Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
 530-651-1736 <%28530%29%20651-1736>
 530-748-9608 <%28530%29%20748-9608> Cell
 www.remotelylocated.com

 On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Stefan Englhardt 
 wrote:

> Does this work for 11ac Mikrotiks ;-))
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Jason Wilson
> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 17:03
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
>
>
> I tuned in to the last half of the webinar, Mikrotik is down the road,
> BUT is in the works.  From a 100% Mikrotik network that is a time/cash
> saver.
>
>
> Jason Wilson
>
> Remotely Located
>
> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>
> 530-651-1736 <%28530%29%20651-1736>
>
> 530-748-9608 <%28530%29%20748-9608> Cell
>
> www.remotelylocated.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Jason Wilson <
> ja...@remotelylocated.com> wrote:
>
> Mikrotik?
>
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2016 7:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> we have been installing epmp SMs to ubnt backhauls on small sites by
> shutting off airmax until we get a chance to get EPMP APs at the site, 
> this
> might give us a better window
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
> Compatible doesn't mean "same".  Software for an Intel 386 is
> compatible with an Intel Core isn't it?
>
>
>
> Point taken tho

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! - eh, 2.4 ?

2016-11-30 Thread Mike Hammett

Watch the webinar. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "CBB - Jay Fuller"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 5:41:01 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! - eh, 2.4 ? 

 

Um, so this is available for both 5 ghz and 2.4 ghz? 



- Original Message - 
From: Mathew Howard 
To: af 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:32 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! 


Indeed. It looks to me like unless UBNT can come up with a 2.4ghz AP with 
working sync in the next few months, our entire network is going ePMP. 



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:24 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 



This is capitalism in its finest form. Cambium just upped the bar 
substantially. The market had a very serious issue, and they solved it, while 
still generating substantial revenue. Im curious what their profit per hardware 
unit sold is compared to the profit per license, with no real liability. 
Hopefully this will force ubnt to really focus efforts on real sync that 
actually works and get an actual legitimate support channel. Or even better, 
sell their radios preloaded with the EPMP load and work out a discount for AP 
licenses through them for their customers. Mikrotik I assume is just saying 
"meh, our products are good" 




On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Kurt Fankhauser < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



This is pretty neat with the whole Mikrotik thing, basically you can run a 
Mikrotik CPE network and be GPS synchronized then... 




On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Jason Wilson < ja...@remotelylocated.com > 
wrote: 




ePMP Elevate Compatibility 

check the Release Notes for complete details 

* Loco M5 XW 
* Loco M5 XM 
* NanoStation M5 XW 
* NanoStation M5 XM 
* NanoBridge M5 XM 
* Rocket M5 XM 
* Rocket M5 XW 
* Powerbeam M5 XW 
* Airgrid M5HP XW 
* Airgrid M5 XM 
* NanoBeam M5 XW 
ePMP Elevate Developments 
RELEASE 1.0 - NOW AVAILABLE 


* XM + XW model 
* Rocket M5 support as a SM - Dec 28, 2016 
RELEASE 2.0 - END OF Q1 2017 


* MikroTik Support - Alpha engagement in Q4, 2016 
* RB911G5HPnDQRT 
* RBSXT5nDr2 
* RB912UAG5HPnDOT 
2.4 XW + XM MODELS - END OF Q1, 2017 
DELIBERANT SUPPORT - Q2, 2017 







Jason Wilson 
Remotely Located 
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places. 
530-651-1736 
530-748-9608 Cell 
www.remotelylocated.com 



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Stefan Englhardt < s...@genias.net > wrote: 





Does this work for 11ac Mikrotiks ;-)) 





Von: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Jason Wilson 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 17:03 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! 



I tuned in to the last half of the webinar, Mikrotik is down the road, BUT is 
in the works. From a 100% Mikrotik network that is a time/cash saver. 






Jason Wilson 
Remotely Located 
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places. 
530-651-1736 
530-748-9608 Cell 
www.remotelylocated.com 




On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Jason Wilson < ja...@remotelylocated.com > 
wrote: 


Mikrotik? 





On Nov 30, 2016 7:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



we have been installing epmp SMs to ubnt backhauls on small sites by shutting 
off airmax until we get a chance to get EPMP APs at the site, this might give 
us a better window 



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




Compatible doesn't mean "same". Software for an Intel 386 is compatible with an 
Intel Core isn't it? 



Point taken though...ePMP is still 802.11n. 







-- Original Message -- 

From: "Stefan Englhardt" < s...@genias.net > 

To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 

Sent: 11/30/2016 10:25:23 AM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! 






They found out that their new ePMP CPEs use the same hardware as the oldest 
UBNT-Atheros-Crap. So no porting problem. Just install the same SW. 





Von: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von That One Guy /sarcasm 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 16:12 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! 


you have to wonder if at some point cambium hired marsellus wallace and some 
hard, pipe-hittin' people, who'll go to work on the ubnt managers here with a 
pair of pliers and a blow torch to get hardware access 



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 



im in the webinar, I didnt realize thats what the webinar was when I signed up 
for it but now im all giddy like a school girl 





On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Joe Novak < jno...@lrcomm.com > wrote: 



I prefer the Cambium direct link: 
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog/dont-migrate---elevate/ 



Very interesting indeed... very interesting. 





On Wed, Nov 30,

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread Brandon Yuchasz

Kurt,

Have you tested the ePMP 2.4 as well?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 5:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2.4ghz PMP450 penetrates better than UBNT 2.4. Don't know if its the slant 
polarization helping or what.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 6:47 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:

Still the issue of 2.4 EPMP does not seem to penetrate as well as UBNT - at 
least from my field guys.

I know there was some serious discussion on this once upon a time.

- Original Message - 

From: Jon Langeler   

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 5:16 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

I want to know the throughput comparisons? EPMP vs UBNT now?

Jon Langeler

Michwave Technologies, Inc.

On Nov 30, 2016, at 10:57 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

It's not a bad deal at all. We have several towers where we put up both UBNT 
and ePMP 5ghz APs, with the intention of eventually replacing all the UBNT CPE 
with ePMP and shutting down the old AP - this is going to save us a ton of time 
and money.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:40 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

35 bucks a pop to extend a depreciated hardware is not a bad deal at all 

they just said if you have a failed AP, theyll honor system your licenses to an 
existing AP you have so you dont have to wait on RMA

Im beginning to wonder about Cambium, theyre building EPMP into a really hot 
product that is good enough to compete with the 450 in the margin markets

Is this the same Cambium that bought moto, or has there been a restructuring? 
Because originally, they were bigger cocks than moto

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Jason Wilson  wrote:

Mikrotik?

On Nov 30, 2016 7:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
wrote:

we have been installing epmp SMs to ubnt backhauls on small sites by shutting 
off airmax until we get a chance to get EPMP APs at the site, this might give 
us a better window

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

Compatible doesn't mean "same".  Software for an Intel 386 is compatible with 
an Intel Core isn't it?  

Point taken though...ePMP is still 802.11n.  

-- Original Message --

From: "Stefan Englhardt" 

To: "af@afmug.com" 

Sent: 11/30/2016 10:25:23 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

They found out that their new ePMP CPEs use the same hardware as the oldest 
UBNT-Atheros-Crap. So no porting problem. Just install the same SW.

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von That One Guy /sarcasm
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 16:12
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

you have to wonder if at some point cambium hired marsellus wallace  and some 
hard, pipe-hittin' people, who'll go to work on the ubnt managers here with a 
pair of pliers and a blow torch to get hardware access

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

im in the webinar, I didnt realize thats what the webinar was when I signed up 
for it but now im all giddy like a school girl

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:

I prefer the Cambium direct link: 
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog/dont-migrate---elevate/

Very interesting indeed... very interesting. 

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Tyler Treat  
wrote:

This ought to shake things up a bit.  

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161130005468/en/

  /

www.businesswire.com

/

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

2.4ghz PMP450 penetrates better than UBNT 2.4. Don't know if its the slant
polarization helping or what.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 6:47 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> Still the issue of 2.4 EPMP does not seem to penetrate as well as UBNT -
> at least from my field guys.
> I know there was some serious discussion on this once upon a time.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jon Langeler 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 5:16 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
> I want to know the throughput comparisons? EPMP vs UBNT now?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 10:57 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> It's not a bad deal at all. We have several towers where we put up both
> UBNT and ePMP 5ghz APs, with the intention of eventually replacing all the
> UBNT CPE with ePMP and shutting down the old AP - this is going to save us
> a ton of time and money.
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:40 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 35 bucks a pop to extend a depreciated hardware is not a bad deal at all
>>
>> they just said if you have a failed AP, theyll honor system your licenses
>> to an existing AP you have so you dont have to wait on RMA
>>
>> Im beginning to wonder about Cambium, theyre building EPMP into a really
>> hot product that is good enough to compete with the 450 in the margin
>> markets
>>
>> Is this the same Cambium that bought moto, or has there been a
>> restructuring? Because originally, they were bigger cocks than moto
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Jason Wilson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mikrotik?
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2016 7:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 we have been installing epmp SMs to ubnt backhauls on small sites by
 shutting off airmax until we get a chance to get EPMP APs at the site, this
 might give us a better window

 On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

> Compatible doesn't mean "same".  Software for an Intel 386 is
> compatible with an Intel Core isn't it?
>
> Point taken though...ePMP is still 802.11n.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Stefan Englhardt" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 11/30/2016 10:25:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
> They found out that their new ePMP CPEs use the same hardware as the
> oldest UBNT-Atheros-Crap. So no porting problem. Just install the same SW.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 16:12
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
>
>
> you have to wonder if at some point cambium hired marsellus wallace
>  and some hard, pipe-hittin' people, who'll go to work on the ubnt
> managers here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch to get hardware 
> access
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> im in the webinar, I didnt realize thats what the webinar was when I
> signed up for it but now im all giddy like a school girl
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>
> I prefer the Cambium direct link: http://www.cambiumnetwor
> ks.com/blog/dont-migrate---elevate/
>
>
>
> Very interesting indeed... very interesting.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Tyler Treat <
> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com> wrote:
>
> This ought to shake things up a bit.
>
>
>
> http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161130005468/en/
>
>
>
> 
>
> / 
>
> www.businesswire.com
>
> /
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>


 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

I just tested this with the free preview they have during the signup
process. Traffic is showing up in Procera box as SSL port 443, don't know
if that's going to be an issue with Deep Packet Inspection filtering in the
future or not, I have latest Procera signature updates as of today so don't
know why its showing up as SSL unless they "DirecTV" is trying to
circumvent things throttling them like Procera.

Initially I left this stream un-throtteled and seen it bouncing around as
high as 11mbps to 0mbps. They I throttled it with a Mikrotik Simple
Queue at 3mbps and it seemed to be fine. I then set it to 2Mbps and it cut
out once but then held steady and never cut out again. Seemed to auto
adjust the quality down pretty low after it buffered the one time and was
drawing as low as 500kbps. Then I turned it back up to 3Mbps and the
picture quality got better again, didn't seem to notice anything better as
far as quality with 3Mbps throttle or no throttle.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Yes, Electronic Program Guide
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 4:30 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
>
> Program guide?
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:52 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
> Damn, I am liking this.  And I have tried them all.
>
> Direct TV Satellite
> Dish Network
> SlingTV
> Sony Playstation VUE
> Beehive IPTV
> Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
> TIVO
>
> I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.
> So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to
> what you see on the satellite receiver.
> Channel changes are instant.
> Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call
> it.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
> Two stream limit.
>
> *From:* Tyler Treat
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
>
>
> Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
> how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?
>
> --
> *From:* Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown <
> ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
> https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan
>
> I am signing up.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Ken Hohhof

I think there may be 2 mechanism at play, a higher level one watching client
buffer fill and deciding what stream quality to send and in what size
chunks.  Then a lower level one that decides whether to send the next packet
or not, and retries the packets that dont get ACKd.

 

It has to be inefficient, throwing away a few packets to get the server to
stop sending, then having those packets resent, especially if you do this 10
or 20 packets to stop the server from bursting.

 

When we use a queue to police the traffic, we may think the other end is
sending at a lower rate, but it may be a really fast stop-start thing, since
policing chops off the bursts.  But traffic shaping requires that you buffer
the packets until the additional round trip latency slows the sender down,
not sure how much buffer depth and latency this requires, it might be quite
a bit and just as damaging to other traffic as dropping packets.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 4:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

 

Yes... all the Apple TV stuff is very "bursty"... it's not a constant
stream. I've had Apple TV since the very first version... it will burst up
to about 8-10Mbps for 1-2 seconds, and then go away for 1-2 seconds, etc.

Travis



On 11/30/2016 2:24 PM, Tyler Treat wrote:

 

watching on a laptop HDMI'd to my TV, and I can't pattern it in my tik yet.
ï¿½ It's all over the place. ï¿½ seems quite bursty. ï¿½ Need to queue it
and see how it behaves.


  _  


From: Af    on behalf of
Robert Andrews   
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 

ï¿½

But how much bandwidth...ï¿½ That is the $$ question for us!!

On 11/30/2016 01:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> DVR and pause live stream are lacking.ï¿½ But you can go do back episodes
> of your favorite shows and they have the fast forward functions etc.
> *From:* Tyler Treat
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
> ok Chuck, you made me do it!
>
> I've signed up and am patiently waiting for my appleTV!
>
>
>
> 
> *From:* Af    on behalf
of Chuck McCown
>   
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> Actually, that isnï¿½t true.ï¿½ It is lacking DVR functions, supposedly
they
> will be added.
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> No, none of them do any more because the episodes of your favs are
> cached like Netflix.
> You just browse episodes.
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> Does it have a "dvr"?
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Chuck McCown  
 wrote:
>
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Damn, I am liking this.ï¿½ And I have tried them all.
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Direct TV Satellite
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Dish Network
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ SlingTV
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Sony Playstation VUE
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Beehive IPTV
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ TIVO
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very
similar
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ to what you see on the satellite receiver.
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Channel changes are instant.
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever
they
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ call it.
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *From:* Chuck McCown
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *To:* af@afmug.com  
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Two stream limit.
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *From:* Tyler Treat
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *To:* af@afmug.com  
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?
>
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½

>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *From:* Af  
 on behalf of Chuck McCown
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½   
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *To:* af@afmug.com  
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ 
>ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ I am signing up.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

Still the issue of 2.4 EPMP does not seem to penetrate as well as UBNT - at 
least from my field guys.
I know there was some serious discussion on this once upon a time.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jon Langeler 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 5:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

  I want to know the throughput comparisons? EPMP vs UBNT now?

  Jon Langeler
  Michwave Technologies, Inc.

  On Nov 30, 2016, at 10:57 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

It's not a bad deal at all. We have several towers where we put up both 
UBNT and ePMP 5ghz APs, with the intention of eventually replacing all the UBNT 
CPE with ePMP and shutting down the old AP - this is going to save us a ton of 
time and money.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:40 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

  35 bucks a pop to extend a depreciated hardware is not a bad deal at all

  they just said if you have a failed AP, theyll honor system your licenses 
to an existing AP you have so you dont have to wait on RMA

  Im beginning to wonder about Cambium, theyre building EPMP into a really 
hot product that is good enough to compete with the 450 in the margin markets

  Is this the same Cambium that bought moto, or has there been a 
restructuring? Because originally, they were bigger cocks than moto

  On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Jason Wilson  
wrote:

Mikrotik?

On Nov 30, 2016 7:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
 wrote:

  we have been installing epmp SMs to ubnt backhauls on small sites by 
shutting off airmax until we get a chance to get EPMP APs at the site, this 
might give us a better window

  On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

Compatible doesn't mean "same".  Software for an Intel 386 is 
compatible with an Intel Core isn't it?  

Point taken though...ePMP is still 802.11n.  

-- Original Message --
From: "Stefan Englhardt" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 11/30/2016 10:25:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

  They found out that their new ePMP CPEs use the same hardware as 
the oldest UBNT-Atheros-Crap. So no porting problem. Just install the same SW.

  Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von That One Guy 
/sarcasm
  Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 16:12
  An: af@afmug.com
  Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

  you have to wonder if at some point cambium hired marsellus 
wallace  and some hard, pipe-hittin' people, who'll go to work on the ubnt 
managers here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch to get hardware access

  On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

im in the webinar, I didnt realize thats what the webinar was 
when I signed up for it but now im all giddy like a school girl

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Joe Novak  
wrote:

  I prefer the Cambium direct link: 
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog/dont-migrate---elevate/

  Very interesting indeed... very interesting. 

  On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Tyler Treat 
 wrote:

This ought to shake things up a bit.  

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161130005468/en/

 /

  www.businesswire.com

  /

-- 

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your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] cadweld tower base alternative?

2016-11-30 Thread Lewis Bergman

12 ton hydraulic crimp. Expensive to get started though.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 12:49 PM Dev  wrote:

> Are there any alternatives to cadwelding the ground lugs to a tower base
> flange? Sounds complicated.

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-30 Thread Peter Kranz

If you are crafty you can always just use HTB, or the various HTB wrappers.

 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! - eh, 2.4 ?

2016-11-30 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

on the roadmapof course

  - Original Message - 
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 5:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! - eh, 2.4 ? 

  Um, so this is available for both 5 ghz and 2.4 ghz?

- Original Message - 
From: Mathew Howard 
To: af 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

Indeed. It looks to me like unless UBNT can come up with a 2.4ghz AP with 
working sync in the next few months, our entire network is going ePMP.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:24 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

  This is capitalism in its finest form. Cambium just upped the bar 
substantially. The market had a very serious issue, and they solved it, while 
still generating substantial revenue. Im curious what their profit per hardware 
unit sold is compared to the profit per license, with no real liability. 
Hopefully this will force ubnt to really focus efforts on real sync that 
actually works and get an actual legitimate support channel. Or even better, 
sell their radios preloaded with the EPMP load and work out a discount for AP 
licenses through them for their customers. Mikrotik I assume is just saying 
"meh, our products are good"

  On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
 wrote:

This is pretty neat with the whole Mikrotik thing, basically you can 
run a Mikrotik CPE network and be GPS synchronized then...

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Jason Wilson 
 wrote:

  ePMP Elevate Compatibility
  check the Release Notes for complete details

a.. Loco M5 XW 
b.. Loco M5 XM 
c.. NanoStation M5 XW 
d.. NanoStation M5 XM 
e.. NanoBridge M5 XM 
f.. Rocket M5 XM 
g.. Rocket M5 XW 
h.. Powerbeam M5 XW 
i.. Airgrid M5HP XW 
j.. Airgrid M5 XM 
k.. NanoBeam M5 XW
  ePMP Elevate Developments
  RELEASE 1.0 - NOW AVAILABLE
a.. XM + XW model 
b.. Rocket M5 support as a SM - Dec 28, 2016
  RELEASE 2.0 - END OF Q1 2017
a.. MikroTik Support - Alpha engagement in Q4, 2016 
b.. RB911G5HPnDQRT 
c.. RBSXT5nDr2 
d.. RB912UAG5HPnDOT
  2.4 XW + XM MODELS - END OF Q1, 2017
  DELIBERANT SUPPORT - Q2, 2017

  Jason Wilson
  Remotely Located
  Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
  530-651-1736
  530-748-9608 Cell
  www.remotelylocated.com

  On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Stefan Englhardt  
wrote:

Does this work for 11ac Mikrotiks ;-))

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jason Wilson
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 17:03
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

I tuned in to the last half of the webinar, Mikrotik is down the 
road, BUT is in the works.  From a 100% Mikrotik network that is a time/cash 
saver.

Jason Wilson

Remotely Located

Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.

530-651-1736

530-748-9608 Cell

www.remotelylocated.com

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Jason Wilson 
 wrote:

  Mikrotik?

  On Nov 30, 2016 7:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
 wrote:

we have been installing epmp SMs to ubnt backhauls on small 
sites by shutting off airmax until we get a chance to get EPMP APs at the site, 
this might give us a better window

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

  Compatible doesn't mean "same".  Software for an Intel 386 is 
compatible with an Intel Core isn't it?  

  Point taken though...ePMP is still 802.11n.  

  -- Original Message --

  From: "Stefan Englhardt" 

  To: "af@afmug.com" 

  Sent: 11/30/2016 10:25:23 AM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

They found out that their new ePMP CPEs use the same 
hardware as the oldest UBNT-Atheros-Crap. So no porting problem. Just install 
the same SW.

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von That 
One Guy /sarcasm
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 16:12
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

you have to wonder if at some point cambium hired marsellus 
wallace  and some hard, pipe-hittin' people, who'll go to work on the ubnt 
managers here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch to get hardware access

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! - eh, 2.4 ?

2016-11-30 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

Um, so this is available for both 5 ghz and 2.4 ghz?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mathew Howard 
  To: af 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:32 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

  Indeed. It looks to me like unless UBNT can come up with a 2.4ghz AP with 
working sync in the next few months, our entire network is going ePMP.

  On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:24 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

This is capitalism in its finest form. Cambium just upped the bar 
substantially. The market had a very serious issue, and they solved it, while 
still generating substantial revenue. Im curious what their profit per hardware 
unit sold is compared to the profit per license, with no real liability. 
Hopefully this will force ubnt to really focus efforts on real sync that 
actually works and get an actual legitimate support channel. Or even better, 
sell their radios preloaded with the EPMP load and work out a discount for AP 
licenses through them for their customers. Mikrotik I assume is just saying 
"meh, our products are good"

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
 wrote:

  This is pretty neat with the whole Mikrotik thing, basically you can run 
a Mikrotik CPE network and be GPS synchronized then...

  On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Jason Wilson 
 wrote:

ePMP Elevate Compatibility
check the Release Notes for complete details

  a.. Loco M5 XW
  b.. Loco M5 XM
  c.. NanoStation M5 XW
  d.. NanoStation M5 XM
  e.. NanoBridge M5 XM
  f.. Rocket M5 XM
  g.. Rocket M5 XW
  h.. Powerbeam M5 XW
  i.. Airgrid M5HP XW
  j.. Airgrid M5 XM
  k.. NanoBeam M5 XW
ePMP Elevate Developments
RELEASE 1.0 - NOW AVAILABLE
  a.. XM + XW model
  b.. Rocket M5 support as a SM - Dec 28, 2016
RELEASE 2.0 - END OF Q1 2017
  a.. MikroTik Support - Alpha engagement in Q4, 2016
  b.. RB911G5HPnDQRT
  c.. RBSXT5nDr2
  d.. RB912UAG5HPnDOT
2.4 XW + XM MODELS - END OF Q1, 2017
DELIBERANT SUPPORT - Q2, 2017

Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Stefan Englhardt  
wrote:

  Does this work for 11ac Mikrotiks ;-))

  Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jason Wilson
  Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 17:03
  An: af@afmug.com
  Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

  I tuned in to the last half of the webinar, Mikrotik is down the 
road, BUT is in the works.  From a 100% Mikrotik network that is a time/cash 
saver.

  Jason Wilson

  Remotely Located

  Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.

  530-651-1736

  530-748-9608 Cell

  www.remotelylocated.com

  On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Jason Wilson 
 wrote:

Mikrotik?

On Nov 30, 2016 7:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
 wrote:

  we have been installing epmp SMs to ubnt backhauls on small sites 
by shutting off airmax until we get a chance to get EPMP APs at the site, this 
might give us a better window

  On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

Compatible doesn't mean "same".  Software for an Intel 386 is 
compatible with an Intel Core isn't it?  

Point taken though...ePMP is still 802.11n.  

-- Original Message --

From: "Stefan Englhardt" 

To: "af@afmug.com" 

Sent: 11/30/2016 10:25:23 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

  They found out that their new ePMP CPEs use the same hardware 
as the oldest UBNT-Atheros-Crap. So no porting problem. Just install the same 
SW.

  Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von That One 
Guy /sarcasm
  Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 16:12
  An: af@afmug.com
  Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

  you have to wonder if at some point cambium hired marsellus 
wallace  and some hard, pipe-hittin' people, who'll go to work on the ubnt 
managers here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch to get hardware access

  On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

im in the webinar, I didnt realize thats what the webinar 
was when I signed up for it but now im all giddy like a school girl

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Joe Novak 
 wrote:

  I prefer the Cambium direct link: 
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog/dont-migrate---elev

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Chuck McCown

Yes, Electronic Program Guide

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 4:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Program guide?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  Damn, I am liking this.  And I have tried them all.  

  Direct TV Satellite
  Dish Network
  SlingTV
  Sony Playstation VUE
  Beehive IPTV
  Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
  TIVO

  I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.  
  So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to what 
you see on the satellite receiver.  
  Channel changes are instant.  
  Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call it.  

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  Two stream limit.  

  From: Tyler Treat 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user? 
  how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?

--

  From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 

  https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

  I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Tushar Patel

Same here. 

Tushar


> On Nov 30, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> I was never able to get that much for that little. 
>  
> From: Travis Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:31 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>  
> Hey,
> 
> Can you skip any commercials, or is that how they are helping pay for the 
> service?
> 
> With my DISH Network, I can skip all the commercials... plus DVR function, 
> and over 250 channels including HBO, Showtime, etc. for less than  $50/month. 
> I also get all the local channels in HD without having to add another 
> antenna. :)
> 
> Travis
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11/30/2016 1:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Damn, I am liking this.ï¿½ And I have tried them all.ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> Direct TV Satellite
>> Dish Network
>> SlingTV
>> Sony Playstation VUE
>> Beehive IPTV
>> Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
>> TIVO
>> ï¿½
>> I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.ï¿½
>> So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to what 
>> you see on the satellite receiver.ï¿½
>> Channel changes are instant.ï¿½
>> Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call 
>> it.ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> From: Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>> ï¿½
>> Two stream limit.ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> From: Tyler Treat
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>> ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> 
>> Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
>> how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?
>> 
>> From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Chuck McCown 
>> mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>> ï¿½
>> https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan
>> ï¿½
>> I am signing up.ï¿½
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

Program guide?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  Damn, I am liking this.  And I have tried them all.  

  Direct TV Satellite
  Dish Network
  SlingTV
  Sony Playstation VUE
  Beehive IPTV
  Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
  TIVO

  I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.  
  So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to what 
you see on the satellite receiver.  
  Channel changes are instant.  
  Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call it.  

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  Two stream limit.  

  From: Tyler Treat 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user? 
  how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?

--

  From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 

  https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

  I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

What is an EPG?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  Damn, I am liking this.  And I have tried them all.  

  Direct TV Satellite
  Dish Network
  SlingTV
  Sony Playstation VUE
  Beehive IPTV
  Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
  TIVO

  I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.  
  So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to what 
you see on the satellite receiver.  
  Channel changes are instant.  
  Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call it.  

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  Two stream limit.  

  From: Tyler Treat 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user? 
  how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?

--

  From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 

  https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

  I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

I have read two...

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  I think one concurrent session.  Not sure on BW.  Wonder what the best way to 
test that is.  

  From: Tyler Treat 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user? 
  how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?

--

  From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 

  https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

  I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

FYI, I know you can already watch DirecTV on your computer (from a normal 
account).
I've done it - especially around election time

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  I am watching it right now at work.  I signed up for 3 months prepaid so they 
are sending a “free” Apple TV.  
  Initial reaction is that the guide on the computer is better than Playstation 
VUE or Sling TV.  
  It gets me my Discovery so I can watch Gold Rush.  HBO is only $5 so there is 
my West World.  

  I don’t know if they have a Showtime option but you can get that ala carte 
anyhow on Roku.  

  It does not have a Roku app for a few months yet.  But I am sure I will 
prefer the Apple TV to the Roku.  

  So far I am liking it.  

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:36 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  You would think that there would be some white label options available now 
that there is a precedent for this...

  On Wednesday, November 30, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Cameron Crum

Wow, what plan is Travis on? I have Dish right now too, but nowhere close
to that.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Tyler Treat 
wrote:

> Same here.  Can't seem to get below $118/month.
>
> ___
> Mangled by my iPhone.
> ___
> Tyler Treat
> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>
> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
> ___
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> I was never able to get that much for that little.
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
> Hey,
>
> Can you skip any commercials, or is that how they are helping pay for the
> service?
>
> With my DISH Network, I can skip all the commercials... plus DVR function,
> and over 250 channels including HBO, Showtime, etc. for less than
> $50/month. I also get all the local channels in HD without having to add
> another antenna. :)
>
> Travis
>
>
>
>
> On 11/30/2016 1:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Damn, I am liking this.ï¿½ And I have tried them all.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> Direct TV Satellite
> Dish Network
> SlingTV
> Sony Playstation VUE
> Beehive IPTV
> Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
> TIVO
> ï¿½
> I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.ï¿½
> So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to
> what you see on the satellite receiver.ï¿½
> Channel changes are instant.ï¿½
> Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call
> it.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> ï¿½
> Two stream limit.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> *From:* Tyler Treat
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> ï¿½
>
> ï¿½
> Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
> how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?
>
> --
> *From:* Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Chuck McCown
> mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> ï¿½
> https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan
> ï¿½
> I am signing up.ï¿½
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread Jon Langeler

I want to know the throughput comparisons? EPMP vs UBNT now?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Nov 30, 2016, at 10:57 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> It's not a bad deal at all. We have several towers where we put up both UBNT 
> and ePMP 5ghz APs, with the intention of eventually replacing all the UBNT 
> CPE with ePMP and shutting down the old AP - this is going to save us a ton 
> of time and money.
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:40 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>>  wrote:
>> 35 bucks a pop to extend a depreciated hardware is not a bad deal at all
>> 
>> they just said if you have a failed AP, theyll honor system your licenses to 
>> an existing AP you have so you dont have to wait on RMA
>> 
>> Im beginning to wonder about Cambium, theyre building EPMP into a really hot 
>> product that is good enough to compete with the 450 in the margin markets
>> 
>> Is this the same Cambium that bought moto, or has there been a 
>> restructuring? Because originally, they were bigger cocks than moto
>> 
>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Jason Wilson  
>>> wrote:
>>> Mikrotik?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016 7:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
  wrote:
 we have been installing epmp SMs to ubnt backhauls on small sites by 
 shutting off airmax until we get a chance to get EPMP APs at the site, 
 this might give us a better window
 
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> Compatible doesn't mean "same".  Software for an Intel 386 is compatible 
> with an Intel Core isn't it?  
> 
> Point taken though...ePMP is still 802.11n.  
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Stefan Englhardt" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 11/30/2016 10:25:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
> 
>> They found out that their new ePMP CPEs use the same hardware as the 
>> oldest UBNT-Atheros-Crap. So no porting problem. Just install the same 
>> SW.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von That One Guy 
>> /sarcasm
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 16:12
>> An: af@afmug.com
>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> you have to wonder if at some point cambium hired marsellus wallace  and 
>> some hard, pipe-hittin' people, who'll go to work on the ubnt managers 
>> here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch to get hardware access
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> im in the webinar, I didnt realize thats what the webinar was when I 
>> signed up for it but now im all giddy like a school girl
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>> 
>> I prefer the Cambium direct link: 
>> http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog/dont-migrate---elevate/
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Very interesting indeed... very interesting. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Tyler Treat 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This ought to shake things up a bit.  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161130005468/en/
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> /
>> 
>> www.businesswire.com
>> 
>> /
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>> 
 
 
 
 -- 
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
>> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450D license keys

2016-11-30 Thread Joshua Heide

I updated 4 20mb units to the lastest firmware and came back as 40mb

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 10:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 450D license keys

Weren't the 20M units supposed to upgrade to 40 for free? Or Im I dreaming?



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Tyler Treat

Same here.  Can't seem to get below $118/month.

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___
Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___


On Nov 30, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I was never able to get that much for that little.

From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Hey,

Can you skip any commercials, or is that how they are helping pay for the 
service?

With my DISH Network, I can skip all the commercials... plus DVR function, and 
over 250 channels including HBO, Showtime, etc. for less than $50/month. I also 
get all the local channels in HD without having to add another antenna. :)

Travis




On 11/30/2016 1:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Damn, I am liking this.??(1/2) And I have tried them all.??(1/2)
??(1/2)
Direct TV Satellite
Dish Network
SlingTV
Sony Playstation VUE
Beehive IPTV
Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
TIVO
??(1/2)
I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.??(1/2)
So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to what you 
see on the satellite receiver.??(1/2)
Channel changes are instant.??(1/2)
Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call 
it.??(1/2)
??(1/2)
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
??(1/2)
Two stream limit.??(1/2)
??(1/2)
From: Tyler Treat
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
??(1/2)

??(1/2)

Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?


From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
??(1/2)
https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan
??(1/2)
I am signing up.??(1/2)

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Chuck McCown

I was never able to get that much for that little.  

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Hey,

Can you skip any commercials, or is that how they are helping pay for the 
service?

With my DISH Network, I can skip all the commercials... plus DVR function, and 
over 250 channels including HBO, Showtime, etc. for less than $50/month. I also 
get all the local channels in HD without having to add another antenna. :)

Travis





On 11/30/2016 1:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Damn, I am liking this.ï¿½ And I have tried them all.ï¿½ 
  ï¿½
  Direct TV Satellite
  Dish Network
  SlingTV
  Sony Playstation VUE
  Beehive IPTV
  Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
  TIVO
  ï¿½
  I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.ï¿½ 
  So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to what 
you see on the satellite receiver.ï¿½ 
  Channel changes are instant.ï¿½ 
  Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call 
it.ï¿½ 
  ï¿½
  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
  ï¿½
  Two stream limit.ï¿½ 
  ï¿½
  From: Tyler Treat 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
  ï¿½
  ï¿½

  Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user? 
  how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?



--

  From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 
  ï¿½
  https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan
  ï¿½
  I am signing up.ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Cameron Crum

Web site says it only works on Apple TV 4th gen so I would imagine the one
they ship is 4th gen.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Are you legally getting all of those channels for $50/mo?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> Can you skip any commercials, or is that how they are helping pay for the
>> service?
>>
>> With my DISH Network, I can skip all the commercials... plus DVR
>> function, and over 250 channels including HBO, Showtime, etc. for less than
>> $50/month. I also get all the local channels in HD without having to add
>> another antenna. :)
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/30/2016 1:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Damn, I am liking this.ï¿½ And I have tried them all.ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> Direct TV Satellite
>> Dish Network
>> SlingTV
>> Sony Playstation VUE
>> Beehive IPTV
>> Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
>> TIVO
>> ï¿½
>> I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.ï¿½
>> So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to
>> what you see on the satellite receiver.ï¿½
>> Channel changes are instant.ï¿½
>> Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call
>> it.ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>> ï¿½
>> Two stream limit.ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> *From:* Tyler Treat
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>> ï¿½
>>
>> ï¿½
>> Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
>> how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Af   on behalf of
>> Chuck McCown  
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>> ï¿½
>> https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan
>> ï¿½
>> I am signing up.ï¿½
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] grrr

2016-11-30 Thread castarritt .

Maybe they misunderstood what a nuke and pave is?  I hope they don't own a
cement mixer.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I don't know that's why I pay you guys!!!  NOW FIX MY PRINTER AND YOUTUBE
> MACHINE!!!
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> No, that's just how it's supposed to be. How do you expect to get any
>> internets if it isn't in the microwave?
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If you put the power supply in the microwave does that increase the
>>> signal for faster Internet?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:23 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I literally have to update support ticket in this manner regularly:

 "CS, this customers connection dropped RX substantially on the 19th,
 then on the 28th it went though a further decline

 STILL FOLLOW STANDARD SUPPORT

 it could just have been an uptime issue, and even if we upgrade his
 equipment our goal would be to get his service at least functional between
 today and the day we get there

 AFTER it is visually verified, while the customer is on the line that
 the equipment is correctly connected and appropriate lights are on and the
 correct color, please schedule an upgrade of his equipment"


 the worst part about it is that based on historical trends, the next
 CSR update will be "Scheduled upgrade with customer"

 When the tech gets back from the upgrade, he will report in his update
 "upon arrival, inspection showed the customer had their radio cable plugged
 directly into their laptop and the power supply was in the microwave"

 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Josh Luthman

Are you legally getting all of those channels for $50/mo?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> Hey,
>
> Can you skip any commercials, or is that how they are helping pay for the
> service?
>
> With my DISH Network, I can skip all the commercials... plus DVR function,
> and over 250 channels including HBO, Showtime, etc. for less than
> $50/month. I also get all the local channels in HD without having to add
> another antenna. :)
>
> Travis
>
>
>
>
> On 11/30/2016 1:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Damn, I am liking this.ï¿½ And I have tried them all.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> Direct TV Satellite
> Dish Network
> SlingTV
> Sony Playstation VUE
> Beehive IPTV
> Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
> TIVO
> ï¿½
> I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.ï¿½
> So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to
> what you see on the satellite receiver.ï¿½
> Channel changes are instant.ï¿½
> Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call
> it.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> ï¿½
> Two stream limit.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> *From:* Tyler Treat
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> ï¿½
>
> ï¿½
> Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
> how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?
>
> --
> *From:* Af   on behalf of
> Chuck McCown  
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> ï¿½
> https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan
> ï¿½
> I am signing up.ï¿½
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] grrr

2016-11-30 Thread Josh Luthman

I don't know that's why I pay you guys!!!  NOW FIX MY PRINTER AND YOUTUBE
MACHINE!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> No, that's just how it's supposed to be. How do you expect to get any
> internets if it isn't in the microwave?
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> If you put the power supply in the microwave does that increase the
>> signal for faster Internet?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:23 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I literally have to update support ticket in this manner regularly:
>>>
>>> "CS, this customers connection dropped RX substantially on the 19th,
>>> then on the 28th it went though a further decline
>>>
>>> STILL FOLLOW STANDARD SUPPORT
>>>
>>> it could just have been an uptime issue, and even if we upgrade his
>>> equipment our goal would be to get his service at least functional between
>>> today and the day we get there
>>>
>>> AFTER it is visually verified, while the customer is on the line that
>>> the equipment is correctly connected and appropriate lights are on and the
>>> correct color, please schedule an upgrade of his equipment"
>>>
>>>
>>> the worst part about it is that based on historical trends, the next CSR
>>> update will be "Scheduled upgrade with customer"
>>>
>>> When the tech gets back from the upgrade, he will report in his update
>>> "upon arrival, inspection showed the customer had their radio cable plugged
>>> directly into their laptop and the power supply was in the microwave"
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] grrr

2016-11-30 Thread Mathew Howard

No, that's just how it's supposed to be. How do you expect to get any
internets if it isn't in the microwave?

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> If you put the power supply in the microwave does that increase the signal
> for faster Internet?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:23 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I literally have to update support ticket in this manner regularly:
>>
>> "CS, this customers connection dropped RX substantially on the 19th,
>> then on the 28th it went though a further decline
>>
>> STILL FOLLOW STANDARD SUPPORT
>>
>> it could just have been an uptime issue, and even if we upgrade his
>> equipment our goal would be to get his service at least functional between
>> today and the day we get there
>>
>> AFTER it is visually verified, while the customer is on the line that the
>> equipment is correctly connected and appropriate lights are on and the
>> correct color, please schedule an upgrade of his equipment"
>>
>>
>> the worst part about it is that based on historical trends, the next CSR
>> update will be "Scheduled upgrade with customer"
>>
>> When the tech gets back from the upgrade, he will report in his update
>> "upon arrival, inspection showed the customer had their radio cable plugged
>> directly into their laptop and the power supply was in the microwave"
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] grrr

2016-11-30 Thread Josh Luthman

If you put the power supply in the microwave does that increase the signal
for faster Internet?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:23 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I literally have to update support ticket in this manner regularly:
>
> "CS, this customers connection dropped RX substantially on the 19th, then
> on the 28th it went though a further decline
>
> STILL FOLLOW STANDARD SUPPORT
>
> it could just have been an uptime issue, and even if we upgrade his
> equipment our goal would be to get his service at least functional between
> today and the day we get there
>
> AFTER it is visually verified, while the customer is on the line that the
> equipment is correctly connected and appropriate lights are on and the
> correct color, please schedule an upgrade of his equipment"
>
>
> the worst part about it is that based on historical trends, the next CSR
> update will be "Scheduled upgrade with customer"
>
> When the tech gets back from the upgrade, he will report in his update
> "upon arrival, inspection showed the customer had their radio cable plugged
> directly into their laptop and the power supply was in the microwave"
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Travis Johnson


Hey,

Can you skip any commercials, or is that how they are helping pay for 
the service?


With my DISH Network, I can skip all the commercials... plus DVR 
function, and over 250 channels including HBO, Showtime, etc. for less 
than $50/month. I also get all the local channels in HD without having 
to add another antenna. :)


Travis




On 11/30/2016 1:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Damn, I am liking this.  And I have tried them all.
Direct TV Satellite
Dish Network
SlingTV
Sony Playstation VUE
Beehive IPTV
Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
TIVO
I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.
So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to 
what you see on the satellite receiver.

Channel changes are instant.
Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they 
call it.

*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
Two stream limit.
*From:* Tyler Treat
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?


*From:* Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 


*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan
I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Travis Johnson

Yes... all the Apple TV stuff is very "bursty"... it's not a constant 
stream. I've had Apple TV since the very first version... it will burst 
up to about 8-10Mbps for 1-2 seconds, and then go away for 1-2 seconds, etc.


Travis


On 11/30/2016 2:24 PM, Tyler Treat wrote:



watching on a laptop HDMI'd to my TV, and I can't pattern it in my tik 
yet.   It's all over the place.   seems quite bursty. Need to queue it 
and see how it behaves.



*From:* Af  on behalf of Robert Andrews 


*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
But how much bandwidth...  That is the $$ question for us!!

On 11/30/2016 01:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> DVR and pause live stream are lacking.  But you can go do back episodes
> of your favorite shows and they have the fast forward functions etc.
> *From:* Tyler Treat
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
> ok Chuck, you made me do it!
>
> I've signed up and am patiently waiting for my appleTV!
>
>
>
> 
> *From:* Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown
> 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> Actually, that isnï¿½t true.  It is lacking DVR functions, supposedly they
> will be added.
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> No, none of them do any more because the episodes of your favs are
> cached like Netflix.
> You just browse episodes.
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> Does it have a "dvr"?
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Damn, I am liking this.  And I have tried them all.
> Direct TV Satellite
> Dish Network
> SlingTV
> Sony Playstation VUE
> Beehive IPTV
> Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
> TIVO
> I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.
> So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar
> to what you see on the satellite receiver.
> Channel changes are instant.
> Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they
> call it.
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> Two stream limit.
> *From:* Tyler Treat
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
> Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
> how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?
>
> 
> *From:* Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown
> 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan 


> 
> I am signing up.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread Mike Hammett

Rocket GPS or Rocket Ti? I never had GPS problems with Ti. I did have other 
problems, but not GPS ones. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "George Skorup"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:47:42 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! 

If they can do 2.5ms frame duration and allow us to fine tune tx/rx start/stop, 
then I'm sure it would be possible to sync with other stuff. 

ePMP on the other hand still needs some of the same knobs. It doesn't exactly 
sync with the 450. Plus you can't do 2.5ms on 10MHz channel width. And I still 
want to see 30MHz channel width support. 

ePMP Elevate software on GPS Rockets is almost pointless. The few GPS Rockets 
we deployed sucked balls. They would constantly lose GPS lock for days at a 
time. Rebooting or power-cycling didn't help. Plus no sync over power. So I'd 
rather just deploy ePMP hardware for the AP/BH anyway. 

We don't have much UBNT PTMP left except for the M365 shit which we're still 
ripping out left and right. But for an operator with lots of deployed M CPEs, 
Elevate makes sense for a fast conversion. 


On 11/30/2016 1:45 PM, Brian Sullivan wrote: 


Real-deal sync! The real trick will be them syncing with 450's! :-0 


On 11/30/2016 1:35 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: 



ptp sync and ptmp sync are two totally different animals 


On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



its not out yet so we will see, but I would assume it works flawless once it 
gets here because it works fine on airfiber PTP and its based on the same 
platform 


On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:24 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 



does the airfiber ptmp have functional sync that actually syncs, or just sync 
like titanium had sync? 








On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 





Hopefulyl UBNT will step up their game now, its crucial to keeping prices low 
that there is strong competition among venders. I am hoping the Airfiber PTMP 
comes out soon so that this will beat Cambium back on price with the 450 line 
which is sucking my wallet dry everyday. 


On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 



the jist of it is like when Jesus turned water into wine, only now jesus is 
cambium, but he wants 35 bucks for the wine 




On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Justin Wilson < li...@mtin.net > wrote: 





http://www.mtin.net/blog/?p=1442 
Some Cliff Notes 








Justin Wilson 
j...@mtin.net 


--- 
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO 
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth 


http://www.midwest-ix.com COO/Chairman 
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric 




On Nov 30, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Dennis Burgess < dmburg...@linktechs.net > wrote: 



Someone want to write up the entire thing? What it is etc? how it works vs 
having us all listen to a webinar :? 


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant 
MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE 

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net 
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 
Office: 314-735-0270 
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Steve D 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 11:28 AM 
To: af < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! 



What, you mean they didn't just change the 5's to 3's in the GUI? 



Learn something new everyday. :p 



-Steve D 



On Nov 30, 2016 8:41 AM, "Bill Prince" < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 



There are probably hardware filters on the RF side. 
bp  

On 11/30/2016 8:35 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: 



so I have a technical question. The m365 gear is ssupposed to be downconverted 
5ghz, is that a software downconvert? (FCC ID issues aside) If thats the case 
could this be loaded onto m365 to turn it into epmp 5ghz? I assume the 
downconvert is more than a software load, but man, I literally would make a 
very inappropriate mess if I could dump the ubnt 3ghz network into epmp in one 
move 





On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




25% is what I remember. 





-- Original Message -- 

From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 11/30/2016 11:29:32 AM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! 





That's a very interesting point. I don't think their margins are that low 
though. They've done what, 40mil units sold? I think that was the last number I 
heard. 



On Nov 30, 2016 10:27 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > wrote: 



If Ubiquitis margins were low then Cambium could very well end up making more 
money on a radio that Ubiquiti engineered, manufactures, and delivered. Lol 



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:24 AM, T

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Chuck McCown

Nothing is quite as sweet as the TIVO commercial skip button.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:44 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Yep, it looks to be... looks like the going rate on ebay is between $120 and 
$150.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Isn’t that like a $149 box?

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:26 PM

  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  It said it's a 32gb 4th gen.

  We'll see when it gets here i guess!

--

  From: Af  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:23 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 

  So is this a 3rd gen or 4th gen Apple TV?  I thought I heard that Apple was 
discontinuing Apple TV along with Airports, but apparently it is the 3rd gen 
that is being discontinued.  If Direct TV is handing out free 4th gen units, 
those are pricey.  Or are they handing out refurbed 3rd gen or something?

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:19 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  ok Chuck, you made me do it!

  I've signed up and am patiently waiting for my appleTV!  

--

  From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:05 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 

  Actually, that isn’t true.  It is lacking DVR functions, supposedly they will 
be added.  

  From: Chuck McCown 

  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:01 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  No, none of them do any more because the episodes of your favs are cached 
like Netflix.

  You just browse episodes.  

  From: Cameron Crum 

  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:59 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  Does it have a "dvr"?

  On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Damn, I am liking this.  And I have tried them all.  

Direct TV Satellite

Dish Network

SlingTV

Sony Playstation VUE

Beehive IPTV

Real Choice HTML5 IPTV

TIVO

I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.  

So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to what 
you see on the satellite receiver.  

Channel changes are instant.  

Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call it. 

From: Chuck McCown 

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Two stream limit.  

From: Tyler Treat 

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user? 

how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?

From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 

https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Mathew Howard

Yep, it looks to be... looks like the going rate on ebay is between $120
and $150.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Isn’t that like a $149 box?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Tyler Treat
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:26 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
>
>
> It said it's a 32gb 4th gen.
>
> We'll see when it gets here i guess!
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* Af  on behalf of Ken Hohhof  >
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
>
>
> So is this a 3rd gen or 4th gen Apple TV?  I thought I heard that Apple
> was discontinuing Apple TV along with Airports, but apparently it is the 3
> rd gen that is being discontinued.  If Direct TV is handing out free 4th
> gen units, those are pricey.  Or are they handing out refurbed 3rd gen or
> something?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Tyler Treat
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
>
>
> ok Chuck, you made me do it!
>
>
>
> I've signed up and am patiently waiting for my appleTV!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown <
> ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
>
>
> Actually, that isn’t true.  It is lacking DVR functions, supposedly they
> will be added.
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:01 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
>
>
> No, none of them do any more because the episodes of your favs are cached
> like Netflix.
>
> You just browse episodes.
>
>
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:59 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
>
>
> Does it have a "dvr"?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Damn, I am liking this.  And I have tried them all.
>
>
>
> Direct TV Satellite
>
> Dish Network
>
> SlingTV
>
> Sony Playstation VUE
>
> Beehive IPTV
>
> Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
>
> TIVO
>
>
>
> I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.
>
> So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to
> what you see on the satellite receiver.
>
> Channel changes are instant.
>
> Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call
> it.
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
>
>
> Two stream limit.
>
>
>
> *From:* Tyler Treat
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
>
>
>
>
> Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
>
> how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?
> --
>
> *From:* Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown <
> ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
>
>
> https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan
>
>
>
> I am signing up.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Chuck McCown

Direct says DVR coming soon.  I am currently watching an episode of Halt and 
Catch Fire.  But they don’t have season 3 archived all the way back to the 
first episode.  So it appears you do have a time limit on watching your 
favorites.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Vue has a DVR. Slign annoucned the DVR is coming soon (January?). Now will have 
a DVR at some point.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:01:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

No, none of them do any more because the episodes of your favs are cached like 
Netflix.
You just browse episodes.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Does it have a "dvr"?

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Damn, I am liking this.  And I have tried them all.  

  Direct TV Satellite
  Dish Network
  SlingTV
  Sony Playstation VUE
  Beehive IPTV
  Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
  TIVO

  I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.  
  So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to what 
you see on the satellite receiver.  
  Channel changes are instant.  
  Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call it.  

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  Two stream limit.  

  From: Tyler Treat 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user? 
  how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?

--

  From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 

  https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

  I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Mike Hammett

Vue has a DVR. Slign annoucned the DVR is coming soon (January?). Now will have 
a DVR at some point. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:01:55 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 




No, none of them do any more because the episodes of your favs are cached like 
Netflix. 
You just browse episodes. 




From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:59 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 


Does it have a "dvr"? 


On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Damn, I am liking this. And I have tried them all. 

Direct TV Satellite 
Dish Network 
SlingTV 
Sony Playstation VUE 
Beehive IPTV 
Real Choice HTML5 IPTV 
TIVO 

I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something. 
So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to what you 
see on the satellite receiver. 
Channel changes are instant. 
Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call it. 




From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 




Two stream limit. 




From: Tyler Treat 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 



Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user? 
how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream? 




From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 




https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan 

I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Mike Hammett

Watch the interface in your Mikrotik router or use Torch. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:44:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 




I think one concurrent session. Not sure on BW. Wonder what the best way to 
test that is. 




From: Tyler Treat 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 



Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user? 
how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream? 




From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown  
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 




https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan 

I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Ken Hohhof

Isn't that like a $149 box?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

It said it's a 32gb 4th gen.

We'll see when it gets here i guess!

  _  

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of
Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 

So is this a 3rd gen or 4th gen Apple TV?  I thought I heard that Apple was
discontinuing Apple TV along with Airports, but apparently it is the 3rd gen
that is being discontinued.  If Direct TV is handing out free 4th gen units,
those are pricey.  Or are they handing out refurbed 3rd gen or something?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

ok Chuck, you made me do it!

I've signed up and am patiently waiting for my appleTV!  

  _  

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of
Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 

Actually, that isn't true.  It is lacking DVR functions, supposedly they
will be added.  

From: Chuck McCown 

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:01 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

No, none of them do any more because the episodes of your favs are cached
like Netflix.

You just browse episodes.  

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:59 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Does it have a "dvr"?

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Damn, I am liking this.  And I have tried them all.  

Direct TV Satellite

Dish Network

SlingTV

Sony Playstation VUE

Beehive IPTV

Real Choice HTML5 IPTV

TIVO

I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.  

So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to what
you see on the satellite receiver.  

Channel changes are instant.  

Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call it.

From: Chuck McCown 

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Two stream limit.  

From: Tyler Treat 

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user? 

how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?

  _  

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of
Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 

https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] Ptp 820s second cable for mgmt?

2016-11-30 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 11/30/16 12:07, TJ Trout wrote:

I know I asked this question previously but I'm still not getting a good
answer out of cambium they are telling me that I need to purchase an
extra license if I want in band management otherwise I have to run two
cables in order to have access to the management interface does anyone
know if this is actually true?



I have an 820S doing in-band management (vlan) and don't recall buying 
any licenses except for capacity.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Tyler Treat


watching on a laptop HDMI'd to my TV, and I can't pattern it in my tik yet.   
It's all over the place.   seems quite bursty.   Need to queue it and see how 
it behaves.


From: Af  on behalf of Robert Andrews 

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

But how much bandwidth...  That is the $$ question for us!!

On 11/30/2016 01:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> DVR and pause live stream are lacking.  But you can go do back episodes
> of your favorite shows and they have the fast forward functions etc.
> *From:* Tyler Treat
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
> ok Chuck, you made me do it!
>
> I've signed up and am patiently waiting for my appleTV!
>
>
>
> 
> *From:* Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown
> 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> Actually, that isn't true.  It is lacking DVR functions, supposedly they
> will be added.
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> No, none of them do any more because the episodes of your favs are
> cached like Netflix.
> You just browse episodes.
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> Does it have a "dvr"?
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Damn, I am liking this.  And I have tried them all.
> Direct TV Satellite
> Dish Network
> SlingTV
> Sony Playstation VUE
> Beehive IPTV
> Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
> TIVO
> I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.
> So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar
> to what you see on the satellite receiver.
> Channel changes are instant.
> Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they
> call it.
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> Two stream limit.
> *From:* Tyler Treat
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
> Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
> how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?
>
> 
> *From:* Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown
> 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan
> 
> I am signing up.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Tyler Treat

It said it's a 32gb 4th gen.

We'll see when it gets here i guess!

From: Af  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

So is this a 3rd gen or 4th gen Apple TV?  I thought I heard that Apple was 
discontinuing Apple TV along with Airports, but apparently it is the 3rd gen 
that is being discontinued.  If Direct TV is handing out free 4th gen units, 
those are pricey.  Or are they handing out refurbed 3rd gen or something?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

ok Chuck, you made me do it!

I've signed up and am patiently waiting for my appleTV!

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Actually, that isn't true.  It is lacking DVR functions, supposedly they will 
be added.

From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:01 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

No, none of them do any more because the episodes of your favs are cached like 
Netflix.

You just browse episodes.

From: Cameron Crum

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:59 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Does it have a "dvr"?

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Damn, I am liking this.  And I have tried them all.

Direct TV Satellite

Dish Network

SlingTV

Sony Playstation VUE

Beehive IPTV

Real Choice HTML5 IPTV

TIVO

I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.

So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to what you 
see on the satellite receiver.

Channel changes are instant.

Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call it.

From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Two stream limit.

From: Tyler Treat

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?

how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Ken Hohhof

So is this a 3rd gen or 4th gen Apple TV?  I thought I heard that Apple was
discontinuing Apple TV along with Airports, but apparently it is the 3rd gen
that is being discontinued.  If Direct TV is handing out free 4th gen units,
those are pricey.  Or are they handing out refurbed 3rd gen or something?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

ok Chuck, you made me do it!

I've signed up and am patiently waiting for my appleTV!  

  _  

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of
Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 

Actually, that isn't true.  It is lacking DVR functions, supposedly they
will be added.  

From: Chuck McCown 

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:01 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

No, none of them do any more because the episodes of your favs are cached
like Netflix.

You just browse episodes.  

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:59 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Does it have a "dvr"?

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Damn, I am liking this.  And I have tried them all.  

Direct TV Satellite

Dish Network

SlingTV

Sony Playstation VUE

Beehive IPTV

Real Choice HTML5 IPTV

TIVO

I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.  

So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to what
you see on the satellite receiver.  

Channel changes are instant.  

Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call it.

From: Chuck McCown 

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Two stream limit.  

From: Tyler Treat 

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user? 

how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?

  _  

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of
Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 

https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Robert Andrews


But how much bandwidth...  That is the $$ question for us!!

On 11/30/2016 01:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

DVR and pause live stream are lacking.  But you can go do back episodes
of your favorite shows and they have the fast forward functions etc.
*From:* Tyler Treat
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:19 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

ok Chuck, you made me do it!

I've signed up and am patiently waiting for my appleTV!




*From:* Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown

*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
Actually, that isn’t true.  It is lacking DVR functions, supposedly they
will be added.
*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:01 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
No, none of them do any more because the episodes of your favs are
cached like Netflix.
You just browse episodes.
*From:* Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
Does it have a "dvr"?
On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Damn, I am liking this.  And I have tried them all.
Direct TV Satellite
Dish Network
SlingTV
Sony Playstation VUE
Beehive IPTV
Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
TIVO
I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.
So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar
to what you see on the satellite receiver.
Channel changes are instant.
Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they
call it.
*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
Two stream limit.
*From:* Tyler Treat
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?


*From:* Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown

*Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Chuck McCown

DVR and pause live stream are lacking.  But you can go do back episodes of your 
favorite shows and they have the fast forward functions etc.  

From: Tyler Treat 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

ok Chuck, you made me do it!

I've signed up and am patiently waiting for my appleTV!  

From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 

Actually, that isn’t true.  It is lacking DVR functions, supposedly they will 
be added.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

No, none of them do any more because the episodes of your favs are cached like 
Netflix.
You just browse episodes.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Does it have a "dvr"?

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Damn, I am liking this.  And I have tried them all.  

  Direct TV Satellite
  Dish Network
  SlingTV
  Sony Playstation VUE
  Beehive IPTV
  Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
  TIVO

  I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.  
  So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to what 
you see on the satellite receiver.  
  Channel changes are instant.  
  Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call it.  

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  Two stream limit.  

  From: Tyler Treat 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user? 
  how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?

--

  From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 

  https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

  I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Tyler Treat

ok Chuck, you made me do it!


I've signed up and am patiently waiting for my appleTV!






From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Actually, that isn't true.  It is lacking DVR functions, supposedly they will 
be added.

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

No, none of them do any more because the episodes of your favs are cached like 
Netflix.
You just browse episodes.

From: Cameron Crum
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Does it have a "dvr"?

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
Damn, I am liking this.  And I have tried them all.

Direct TV Satellite
Dish Network
SlingTV
Sony Playstation VUE
Beehive IPTV
Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
TIVO

I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.
So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to what you 
see on the satellite receiver.
Channel changes are instant.
Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call it.

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Two stream limit.

From: Tyler Treat
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now




Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?


From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Chuck McCown

Actually, that isn’t true.  It is lacking DVR functions, supposedly they will 
be added.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

No, none of them do any more because the episodes of your favs are cached like 
Netflix.
You just browse episodes.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Does it have a "dvr"?

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Damn, I am liking this.  And I have tried them all.  

  Direct TV Satellite
  Dish Network
  SlingTV
  Sony Playstation VUE
  Beehive IPTV
  Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
  TIVO

  I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.  
  So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to what 
you see on the satellite receiver.  
  Channel changes are instant.  
  Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call it.  

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  Two stream limit.  

  From: Tyler Treat 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user? 
  how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?

--

  From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 

  https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

  I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] Pre terminated fiber assemblies

2016-11-30 Thread Eric Kuhnke

If you're thinking about buying a pre terminated LC or SC connectorized
cable and pulling it through a conduit, DON'T.

Buy one singlemode, MTP terminated cable and plug it into an MTP
cassette/module on both ends.

https://www.google.com/search?q=mtp+connector+cassette&oq=mtp+connector+cassette&aqs=chrome..69i57.2636j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

this is just an example of what one looks like, there's tons of generic
vendor choices.
http://fibertronics-store.com/12-Fiber-MTP-MPO-female-to-SC-Duplex-Singlemode-Cassette-MTC-12SCH19L.htm

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Steve Utick  wrote:

> I've got a project that I need a Pre terminated fiber assembly to pull
> through a conduit.   What vendors are people using for this these days?
> Want pulling eyes and stuff on it.
>
> Thanks
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Chuck McCown

No, none of them do any more because the episodes of your favs are cached like 
Netflix.
You just browse episodes.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Does it have a "dvr"?

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Damn, I am liking this.  And I have tried them all.  

  Direct TV Satellite
  Dish Network
  SlingTV
  Sony Playstation VUE
  Beehive IPTV
  Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
  TIVO

  I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.  
  So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to what 
you see on the satellite receiver.  
  Channel changes are instant.  
  Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call it.  

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  Two stream limit.  

  From: Tyler Treat 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

  Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user? 
  how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?

--

  From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 

  https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

  I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Cameron Crum

Does it have a "dvr"?

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Damn, I am liking this.  And I have tried them all.
>
> Direct TV Satellite
> Dish Network
> SlingTV
> Sony Playstation VUE
> Beehive IPTV
> Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
> TIVO
>
> I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.
> So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to
> what you see on the satellite receiver.
> Channel changes are instant.
> Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call
> it.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
> Two stream limit.
>
> *From:* Tyler Treat
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
>
>
> Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
> how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?
>
> --
> *From:* Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown <
> ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
> https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan
>
> I am signing up.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread Steve D

No.

On Nov 30, 2016 12:41 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Just watch it.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Dennis Burgess" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 30, 2016 11:47:10 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
> Someone want to write up the entire thing?  What it is etc?  how it works
> vs having us all listen to a webinar :?
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
>
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve D
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 11:28 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
>
>
> What, you mean they didn't just change the 5's to 3's in the GUI?
>
>
>
> Learn something new everyday.  :p
>
>
>
> -Steve D
>
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2016 8:41 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
> There are probably hardware filters on the RF side.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 11/30/2016 8:35 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> so I have a technical question. The m365 gear is ssupposed to be
> downconverted 5ghz, is that a software downconvert? (FCC ID issues aside)
> If thats the case could this be loaded onto m365 to turn it into epmp 5ghz?
> I assume the downconvert is more than a software load, but man, I literally
> would make a very inappropriate mess if I could dump the ubnt 3ghz network
> into epmp in one move
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
> 25% is what I remember.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 11/30/2016 11:29:32 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
>
>
> That's a very interesting point. I don't think their margins are that low
> though. They've done what, 40mil units sold? I think that was the last
> number I heard.
>
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2016 10:27 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
> wrote:
>
> If Ubiquitis margins were low then Cambium could very well end up making
> more money on a radio that Ubiquiti engineered, manufactures, and
> delivered. Lol
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:24 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is capitalism in its finest form. Cambium just upped the bar
> substantially. The market had a very serious issue, and they solved it,
> while still generating substantial revenue. Im curious what their profit
> per hardware unit sold is compared to the profit per license, with no real
> liability. Hopefully this will force ubnt to really focus efforts on real
> sync that actually works and get an actual legitimate support channel. Or
> even better, sell their radios preloaded with the EPMP load and work out a
> discount for AP licenses through them for their customers. Mikrotik I
> assume is just saying "meh, our products are good"
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is pretty neat with the whole Mikrotik thing, basically you can run a
> Mikrotik CPE network and be GPS synchronized then...
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Jason Wilson 
> wrote:
>
> ePMP Elevate Compatibility
>
> *check the Release Notes for complete details*
>
>- *Loco M5 XW*
>- *Loco M5 XM*
>- *NanoStation M5 XW*
>- *NanoStation M5 XM*
>- *NanoBridge M5 XM*
>- *Rocket M5 XM*
>- *Rocket M5 XW*
>- *Powerbeam M5 XW*
>- *Airgrid M5HP XW*
>- *Airgrid M5 XM*
>- *NanoBeam M5 XW*
>
> ePMP Elevate Developments RELEASE 1.0 - NOW AVAILABLE
>
>- XM + XW model
>- Rocket M5 support as a SM - Dec 28, 2016
>
> RELEASE 2.0 - END OF Q1 2017
>
>- MikroTik Support - Alpha engagement in Q4, 2016
>- RB911G5HPnDQRT
>- RBSXT5nDr2
>- RB912UAG5HPnDOT
>
> 2.4 XW + XM MODELS - END OF Q1, 2017 DELIBERANT SUPPORT - Q2, 2017
>
>
> Jason Wilson
>
> Remotely Located
>
> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>
> 530-651-1736 <%28530%29%20651-1736>
>
> 530-748-9608 <%28530%29%20748-9608> Cell
>
> www.remotelylocated.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Ste

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Chuck McCown

Damn, I am liking this.  And I have tried them all.  

Direct TV Satellite
Dish Network
SlingTV
Sony Playstation VUE
Beehive IPTV
Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
TIVO

I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.  
So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to what you 
see on the satellite receiver.  
Channel changes are instant.  
Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call it.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Two stream limit.  

From: Tyler Treat 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now



Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user? 
how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?





From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 

https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] Pre terminated fiber assemblies

2016-11-30 Thread Mike Hammett

I have been Fiber Instrument Sales, but Baltic is doing it now too. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Utick"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:44:34 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Pre terminated fiber assemblies 


I've got a project that I need a Pre terminated fiber assembly to pull through 
a conduit. What vendors are people using for this these days? Want pulling eyes 
and stuff on it. 
Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Bill Prince


I would stick appropriate interfaces into cacti.

bp


On 11/30/2016 12:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Not sure on BW.  Wonder what the best way to test that is.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Chuck McCown

I think one concurrent session.  Not sure on BW.  Wonder what the best way to 
test that is.  

From: Tyler Treat 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user? 
how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?

From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 

https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Chuck McCown

Two stream limit.  

From: Tyler Treat 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user? 
how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?

From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now 

https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread SmarterBroadband

I have already signed up.. Went for HBO and free Apple TV as well.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 12:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

 

https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

 

I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread Mike Hammett

I'd expect nothing less than "normal" sync. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:24:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! 


does the airfiber ptmp have functional sync that actually syncs, or just sync 
like titanium had sync? 






On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



Hopefulyl UBNT will step up their game now, its crucial to keeping prices low 
that there is strong competition among venders. I am hoping the Airfiber PTMP 
comes out soon so that this will beat Cambium back on price with the 450 line 
which is sucking my wallet dry everyday. 


On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 



the jist of it is like when Jesus turned water into wine, only now jesus is 
cambium, but he wants 35 bucks for the wine 




On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Justin Wilson < li...@mtin.net > wrote: 





http://www.mtin.net/blog/?p=1442 
Some Cliff Notes 








Justin Wilson 
j...@mtin.net 


--- 
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO 
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth 


http://www.midwest-ix.com COO/Chairman 
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric 




On Nov 30, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Dennis Burgess < dmburg...@linktechs.net > wrote: 



Someone want to write up the entire thing? What it is etc? how it works vs 
having us all listen to a webinar :? 


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant 
MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE 

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net 
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 
Office: 314-735-0270 
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Steve D 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 11:28 AM 
To: af < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! 



What, you mean they didn't just change the 5's to 3's in the GUI? 



Learn something new everyday. :p 



-Steve D 



On Nov 30, 2016 8:41 AM, "Bill Prince" < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 



There are probably hardware filters on the RF side. 
bp  

On 11/30/2016 8:35 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: 



so I have a technical question. The m365 gear is ssupposed to be downconverted 
5ghz, is that a software downconvert? (FCC ID issues aside) If thats the case 
could this be loaded onto m365 to turn it into epmp 5ghz? I assume the 
downconvert is more than a software load, but man, I literally would make a 
very inappropriate mess if I could dump the ubnt 3ghz network into epmp in one 
move 





On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




25% is what I remember. 





-- Original Message -- 

From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 11/30/2016 11:29:32 AM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! 





That's a very interesting point. I don't think their margins are that low 
though. They've done what, 40mil units sold? I think that was the last number I 
heard. 



On Nov 30, 2016 10:27 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > wrote: 



If Ubiquitis margins were low then Cambium could very well end up making more 
money on a radio that Ubiquiti engineered, manufactures, and delivered. Lol 



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:24 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 



This is capitalism in its finest form. Cambium just upped the bar 
substantially. The market had a very serious issue, and they solved it, while 
still generating substantial revenue. Im curious what their profit per hardware 
unit sold is compared to the profit per license, with no real liability. 
Hopefully this will force ubnt to really focus efforts on real sync that 
actually works and get an actual legitimate support channel. Or even better, 
sell their radios preloaded with the EPMP load and work out a discount for AP 
licenses through them for their customers. Mikrotik I assume is just saying 
"meh, our products are good" 





On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Kurt Fankhauser < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 





This is pretty neat with the whole Mikrotik thing, basically you can run a 
Mikrotik CPE network and be GPS synchronized then... 





On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Jason Wilson < ja...@remotelylocated.com > 
wrote: 



ePMP Elevate Compatibility 

check the Release Notes for complete details 

* Loco M5 XW 
* Loco M5 XM 
* NanoStation M5 XW 
* NanoStation M5 XM 
* NanoBridge M5 XM 
* Rocket M5 XM 
* Rocket M5 XW 
* Powerbeam M5 XW 
* Airgrid M5HP XW 
* Airgrid M5 XM 
* NanoBeam M5 XW 

ePMP Elevate Developments 
RELEASE 1.0 - NOW AVAILABLE 


* XM + XW model 
* Rocket M5 support as a SM - Dec 28, 2016 

RELEASE 2.0 - EN

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Tyler Treat


Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?


From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Chuck McCown

I am watching it right now at work.  I signed up for 3 months prepaid so they 
are sending a “free” Apple TV.  
Initial reaction is that the guide on the computer is better than Playstation 
VUE or Sling TV.  
It gets me my Discovery so I can watch Gold Rush.  HBO is only $5 so there is 
my West World.  

I don’t know if they have a Showtime option but you can get that ala carte 
anyhow on Roku.  

It does not have a Roku app for a few months yet.  But I am sure I will prefer 
the Apple TV to the Roku.  

So far I am liking it.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

You would think that there would be some white label options available now that 
there is a precedent for this...

On Wednesday, November 30, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

  I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread Mike Hammett

Just watch it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Dennis Burgess"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 11:47:10 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! 



Someone want to write up the entire thing? What it is etc? how it works vs 
having us all listen to a webinar :? 


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant 
MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE 

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net 
Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 
Office: 314-735-0270 
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve D 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 11:28 AM 
To: af  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! 



What, you mean they didn't just change the 5's to 3's in the GUI? 



Learn something new everyday. :p 



-Steve D 



On Nov 30, 2016 8:41 AM, "Bill Prince" < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 



There are probably hardware filters on the RF side. 
bp  

On 11/30/2016 8:35 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: 



so I have a technical question. The m365 gear is ssupposed to be downconverted 
5ghz, is that a software downconvert? (FCC ID issues aside) If thats the case 
could this be loaded onto m365 to turn it into epmp 5ghz? I assume the 
downconvert is more than a software load, but man, I literally would make a 
very inappropriate mess if I could dump the ubnt 3ghz network into epmp in one 
move 



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




25% is what I remember. 





-- Original Message -- 

From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 11/30/2016 11:29:32 AM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! 





That's a very interesting point. I don't think their margins are that low 
though. They've done what, 40mil units sold? I think that was the last number I 
heard. 



On Nov 30, 2016 10:27 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > wrote: 



If Ubiquitis margins were low then Cambium could very well end up making more 
money on a radio that Ubiquiti engineered, manufactures, and delivered. Lol 



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:24 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 



This is capitalism in its finest form. Cambium just upped the bar 
substantially. The market had a very serious issue, and they solved it, while 
still generating substantial revenue. Im curious what their profit per hardware 
unit sold is compared to the profit per license, with no real liability. 
Hopefully this will force ubnt to really focus efforts on real sync that 
actually works and get an actual legitimate support channel. Or even better, 
sell their radios preloaded with the EPMP load and work out a discount for AP 
licenses through them for their customers. Mikrotik I assume is just saying 
"meh, our products are good" 





On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Kurt Fankhauser < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 





This is pretty neat with the whole Mikrotik thing, basically you can run a 
Mikrotik CPE network and be GPS synchronized then... 





On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Jason Wilson < ja...@remotelylocated.com > 
wrote: 



ePMP Elevate Compatibility 

check the Release Notes for complete details 

* Loco M5 XW 
* Loco M5 XM 
* NanoStation M5 XW 
* NanoStation M5 XM 
* NanoBridge M5 XM 
* Rocket M5 XM 
* Rocket M5 XW 
* Powerbeam M5 XW 
* Airgrid M5HP XW 
* Airgrid M5 XM 
* NanoBeam M5 XW 
ePMP Elevate Developments 
RELEASE 1.0 - NOW AVAILABLE 


* XM + XW model 
* Rocket M5 support as a SM - Dec 28, 2016 
RELEASE 2.0 - END OF Q1 2017 


* MikroTik Support - Alpha engagement in Q4, 2016 
* RB911G5HPnDQRT 
* RBSXT5nDr2 
* RB912UAG5HPnDOT 
2.4 XW + XM MODELS - END OF Q1, 2017 
DELIBERANT SUPPORT - Q2, 2017 







Jason Wilson 
Remotely Located 
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places. 
530-651-1736 
530-748-9608 Cell 
www.remotelylocated.com 




On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Stefan Englhardt < s...@genias.net > wrote: 




Does this work for 11ac Mikrotiks ;-)) 





Von: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Jason Wilson 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 17:03 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! 



I tuned in to the last half of the webinar, Mikrotik is down the road, BUT is 
in the works. From a 100% Mikrotik network that is a time/cash saver. 






Jason Wilson 
Remotely Located 
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places. 
530-651-1736 
530-748-9608 Cell 
www.remotelylocated.com 




On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Jason Wilson < ja...@remotelylocated.com > 
wrote: 


Mikrotik? 





On Nov 30, 2016 7:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



we have been installing epmp SMs to

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Jason McKemie

You would think that there would be some white label options available now
that there is a precedent for this...

On Wednesday, November 30, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan
>
> I am signing up.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread Mike Hammett

What about PtMP airFiber? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:36:36 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! 


maybe ubnt will do the right thing and wholly exit the pmp market, give chuck m 
all those resources to build them into a legitimate ptp provider 


On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Indeed. It looks to me like unless UBNT can come up with a 2.4ghz AP with 
working sync in the next few months, our entire network is going ePMP. 



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:24 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 



This is capitalism in its finest form. Cambium just upped the bar 
substantially. The market had a very serious issue, and they solved it, while 
still generating substantial revenue. Im curious what their profit per hardware 
unit sold is compared to the profit per license, with no real liability. 
Hopefully this will force ubnt to really focus efforts on real sync that 
actually works and get an actual legitimate support channel. Or even better, 
sell their radios preloaded with the EPMP load and work out a discount for AP 
licenses through them for their customers. Mikrotik I assume is just saying 
"meh, our products are good" 




On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Kurt Fankhauser < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 





This is pretty neat with the whole Mikrotik thing, basically you can run a 
Mikrotik CPE network and be GPS synchronized then... 




On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Jason Wilson < ja...@remotelylocated.com > 
wrote: 




ePMP Elevate Compatibility 

check the Release Notes for complete details 

* Loco M5 XW 
* Loco M5 XM 
* NanoStation M5 XW 
* NanoStation M5 XM 
* NanoBridge M5 XM 
* Rocket M5 XM 
* Rocket M5 XW 
* Powerbeam M5 XW 
* Airgrid M5HP XW 
* Airgrid M5 XM 
* NanoBeam M5 XW 

ePMP Elevate Developments 
RELEASE 1.0 - NOW AVAILABLE 


* XM + XW model 
* Rocket M5 support as a SM - Dec 28, 2016 

RELEASE 2.0 - END OF Q1 2017 


* MikroTik Support - Alpha engagement in Q4, 2016 
* RB911G5HPnDQRT 
* RBSXT5nDr2 
* RB912UAG5HPnDOT 

2.4 XW + XM MODELS - END OF Q1, 2017 
DELIBERANT SUPPORT - Q2, 2017 







Jason Wilson 
Remotely Located 
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places. 
530-651-1736 
530-748-9608 Cell 
www.remotelylocated.com 



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Stefan Englhardt < s...@genias.net > wrote: 





Does this work for 11ac Mikrotiks ;-)) 





Von: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Jason Wilson 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 17:03 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! 



I tuned in to the last half of the webinar, Mikrotik is down the road, BUT is 
in the works. From a 100% Mikrotik network that is a time/cash saver. 






Jason Wilson 
Remotely Located 
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places. 
530-651-1736 
530-748-9608 Cell 
www.remotelylocated.com 




On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Jason Wilson < ja...@remotelylocated.com > 
wrote: 


Mikrotik? 





On Nov 30, 2016 7:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



we have been installing epmp SMs to ubnt backhauls on small sites by shutting 
off airmax until we get a chance to get EPMP APs at the site, this might give 
us a better window 



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 




Compatible doesn't mean "same". Software for an Intel 386 is compatible with an 
Intel Core isn't it? 



Point taken though...ePMP is still 802.11n. 







-- Original Message -- 

From: "Stefan Englhardt" < s...@genias.net > 

To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 

Sent: 11/30/2016 10:25:23 AM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! 






They found out that their new ePMP CPEs use the same hardware as the oldest 
UBNT-Atheros-Crap. So no porting problem. Just install the same SW. 





Von: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von That One Guy /sarcasm 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 16:12 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! 


you have to wonder if at some point cambium hired marsellus wallace and some 
hard, pipe-hittin' people, who'll go to work on the ubnt managers here with a 
pair of pliers and a blow torch to get hardware access 



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 



im in the webinar, I didnt realize thats what the webinar was when I signed up 
for it but now im all giddy like a school girl 





On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Joe Novak < jno...@lrcomm.com > wrote: 



I prefer the Cambium direct link: 
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog/dont-migrate---elevate/ 



Very interesting indeed... very inter

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread James Howard

Does this mean you're going to share your userid and password with us?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

I am signing up.

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From: 
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Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread Mathew Howard

I know they were beta testing the GPS APs, but that was awhile ago and I
haven't heard anything about them since...

I would much rather be able to go to ePMP anyway.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Bitlomat already had that capability, but AFAIK, never got sync or DFS
> going.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 30, 2016 9:12:16 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
> you have to wonder if at some point cambium hired marsellus wallace  and
> some hard, pipe-hittin' people, who'll go to work on the ubnt managers
> here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch to get hardware access
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> im in the webinar, I didnt realize thats what the webinar was when I
>> signed up for it but now im all giddy like a school girl
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>>
>>> I prefer the Cambium direct link: http://www.
>>> cambiumnetworks.com/blog/dont-migrate---elevate/
>>>
>>> Very interesting indeed... very interesting.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Tyler Treat <
>>> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com> wrote:
>>>
 This ought to shake things up a bit.


 http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161130005468/en/


 
 / 
 www.businesswire.com
 /



>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

[AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2016-11-30 Thread Chuck McCown

https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread Josh Reynolds

The interesting part of that was the guy they hired to do the GPS sync was
the original guy that did it for Motorola - but he couldn't (or for
whatever reason didn't) get it working.

Weird.

On Nov 30, 2016 2:23 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Bitlomat already had that capability, but AFAIK, never got sync or DFS
> going.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 30, 2016 9:12:16 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
> you have to wonder if at some point cambium hired marsellus wallace  and
> some hard, pipe-hittin' people, who'll go to work on the ubnt managers
> here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch to get hardware access
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> im in the webinar, I didnt realize thats what the webinar was when I
>> signed up for it but now im all giddy like a school girl
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>>
>>> I prefer the Cambium direct link: http://www.
>>> cambiumnetworks.com/blog/dont-migrate---elevate/
>>>
>>> Very interesting indeed... very interesting.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Tyler Treat <
>>> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com> wrote:
>>>
 This ought to shake things up a bit.


 http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161130005468/en/


 
 / 
 www.businesswire.com
 /



>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread Mike Hammett

Bitlomat already had that capability, but AFAIK, never got sync or DFS going. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 9:12:16 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium! 


you have to wonder if at some point cambium hired marsellus wallace and some 
hard, pipe-hittin' people, who'll go to work on the ubnt managers here with a 
pair of pliers and a blow torch to get hardware access 


On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 



im in the webinar, I didnt realize thats what the webinar was when I signed up 
for it but now im all giddy like a school girl 




On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Joe Novak < jno...@lrcomm.com > wrote: 



I prefer the Cambium direct link: 
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog/dont-migrate---elevate/ 


Very interesting indeed... very interesting. 




On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Tyler Treat < tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com > 
wrote: 





This ought to shake things up a bit. 


http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161130005468/en/ 






/ 
www.businesswire.com 
/ 











-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 





-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread Josh Reynolds

We're talking about Airfiber here, which is custom silicon.

If it came out and didn't support GPS sync out even during alpha testing...
Its be like the Cubs winning the World Series, or Donald Trump running for
President.

"Dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria!"

On Nov 30, 2016 1:35 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> ptp sync and ptmp sync are two totally different animals
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  > wrote:
>
>> its not out yet so we will see, but I would assume it works flawless once
>> it gets here because it works fine on airfiber PTP and its based on the
>> same platform
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:24 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> does the airfiber ptmp have functional sync that actually syncs, or just
>>> sync like titanium had sync?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hopefulyl UBNT will step up their game now, its crucial to keeping
 prices low that there is strong competition among venders. I am hoping the
 Airfiber PTMP comes out soon so that this will beat Cambium back on price
 with the 450 line which is sucking my wallet dry everyday.

 On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> the jist of it is like when Jesus turned water into wine, only now
> jesus is cambium, but he wants 35 bucks for the wine
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Justin Wilson 
> wrote:
>
>> http://www.mtin.net/blog/?p=1442
>> Some Cliff Notes
>>
>>
>>
>> Justin Wilson
>> j...@mtin.net
>>
>> ---
>> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
>> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>>
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
>> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Dennis Burgess 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Someone want to write up the entire thing?  What it is etc?  how it
>> works vs having us all listen to a webinar :?
>>
>>
>> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>>  –
>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>>
>> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Steve D
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 11:28 AM
>> *To:* af 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>>
>> What, you mean they didn't just change the 5's to 3's in the GUI?
>>
>> Learn something new everyday.  :p
>>
>> -Steve D
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2016 8:41 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>> There are probably hardware filters on the RF side.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/30/2016 8:35 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>> so I have a technical question. The m365 gear is ssupposed to be
>> downconverted 5ghz, is that a software downconvert? (FCC ID issues aside)
>> If thats the case could this be loaded onto m365 to turn it into epmp 
>> 5ghz?
>> I assume the downconvert is more than a software load, but man, I 
>> literally
>> would make a very inappropriate mess if I could dump the ubnt 3ghz 
>> network
>> into epmp in one move
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 25% is what I remember.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 11/30/2016 11:29:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>>
>>
>> That's a very interesting point. I don't think their margins are that
>> low though. They've done what, 40mil units sold? I think that was the 
>> last
>> number I heard.
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2016 10:27 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> If Ubiquitis margins were low then Cambium could very well end up
>> making more money on a radio that Ubiquiti engineered, manufactures, and
>> delivered. Lol
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:24 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This is capitalism in its finest form. Cambium just upped the bar
>> substantially. The market had a very serious issue, and they solved it,
>> while still generating substantial revenue. Im curious what their profit
>> per hardware unit sold is compared to the profit per license, with no 
>> real
>> liability. Hopefully this will force ubnt to really focus efforts on real
>> sync that actually works and get an actual leg

Re: [AFMUG] Ptp 820s second cable for mgmt?

2016-11-30 Thread Bill Prince


If that's true, that's the kind of crap that makes me sick.

You have to buy a license to do in band management? Sheesh.


bp


On 11/30/2016 12:07 PM, TJ Trout wrote:


I know I asked this question previously but I'm still not getting a 
good answer out of cambium they are telling me that I need to purchase 
an extra license if I want in band management otherwise I have to run 
two cables in order to have access to the management interface does 
anyone know if this is actually true?

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread Mathew Howard

True, but it's not like UBNT has had real working PTP sync on anything
other than the airfiber line... I'm pretty sure those guys know what
they're doing, so I expect it'll work like it should.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:35 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ptp sync and ptmp sync are two totally different animals
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  > wrote:
>
>> its not out yet so we will see, but I would assume it works flawless once
>> it gets here because it works fine on airfiber PTP and its based on the
>> same platform
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:24 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> does the airfiber ptmp have functional sync that actually syncs, or just
>>> sync like titanium had sync?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hopefulyl UBNT will step up their game now, its crucial to keeping
 prices low that there is strong competition among venders. I am hoping the
 Airfiber PTMP comes out soon so that this will beat Cambium back on price
 with the 450 line which is sucking my wallet dry everyday.

 On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> the jist of it is like when Jesus turned water into wine, only now
> jesus is cambium, but he wants 35 bucks for the wine
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Justin Wilson 
> wrote:
>
>> http://www.mtin.net/blog/?p=1442
>> Some Cliff Notes
>>
>>
>>
>> Justin Wilson
>> j...@mtin.net
>>
>> ---
>> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
>> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>>
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
>> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Dennis Burgess 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Someone want to write up the entire thing?  What it is etc?  how it
>> works vs having us all listen to a webinar :?
>>
>>
>> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>>  –
>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>>
>> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Steve D
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 11:28 AM
>> *To:* af 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>>
>> What, you mean they didn't just change the 5's to 3's in the GUI?
>>
>> Learn something new everyday.  :p
>>
>> -Steve D
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2016 8:41 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>> There are probably hardware filters on the RF side.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/30/2016 8:35 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>> so I have a technical question. The m365 gear is ssupposed to be
>> downconverted 5ghz, is that a software downconvert? (FCC ID issues aside)
>> If thats the case could this be loaded onto m365 to turn it into epmp 
>> 5ghz?
>> I assume the downconvert is more than a software load, but man, I 
>> literally
>> would make a very inappropriate mess if I could dump the ubnt 3ghz 
>> network
>> into epmp in one move
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 25% is what I remember.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 11/30/2016 11:29:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>>
>>
>> That's a very interesting point. I don't think their margins are that
>> low though. They've done what, 40mil units sold? I think that was the 
>> last
>> number I heard.
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2016 10:27 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> If Ubiquitis margins were low then Cambium could very well end up
>> making more money on a radio that Ubiquiti engineered, manufactures, and
>> delivered. Lol
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:24 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This is capitalism in its finest form. Cambium just upped the bar
>> substantially. The market had a very serious issue, and they solved it,
>> while still generating substantial revenue. Im curious what their profit
>> per hardware unit sold is compared to the profit per license, with no 
>> real
>> liability. Hopefully this will force ubnt to really focus efforts on real
>> sync that actually works and get an actual legitimate support channel. Or
>> even bette

[AFMUG] Ptp 820s second cable for mgmt?

2016-11-30 Thread TJ Trout

I know I asked this question previously but I'm still not getting a good
answer out of cambium they are telling me that I need to purchase an extra
license if I want in band management otherwise I have to run two cables in
order to have access to the management interface does anyone know if this
is actually true?

Re: [AFMUG] Pre terminated fiber assemblies

2016-11-30 Thread TJ Trout

terminating fiber today is easier than terminating a RJ45 and you don't
need any special tools besides a cleve. AFL fast connectors, watch a video.

FS.com has pre-term cables at really cheap prices. Check the Singlemode
armored it's really nice.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Steve Utick  wrote:

> I've got a project that I need a Pre terminated fiber assembly to pull
> through a conduit.   What vendors are people using for this these days?
> Want pulling eyes and stuff on it.
>
> Thanks
>

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

ptp sync and ptmp sync are two totally different animals

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> its not out yet so we will see, but I would assume it works flawless once
> it gets here because it works fine on airfiber PTP and its based on the
> same platform
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:24 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> does the airfiber ptmp have functional sync that actually syncs, or just
>> sync like titanium had sync?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hopefulyl UBNT will step up their game now, its crucial to keeping
>>> prices low that there is strong competition among venders. I am hoping the
>>> Airfiber PTMP comes out soon so that this will beat Cambium back on price
>>> with the 450 line which is sucking my wallet dry everyday.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 the jist of it is like when Jesus turned water into wine, only now
 jesus is cambium, but he wants 35 bucks for the wine

 On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:

> http://www.mtin.net/blog/?p=1442
> Some Cliff Notes
>
>
>
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> ---
> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>
> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
> Someone want to write up the entire thing?  What it is etc?  how it
> works vs having us all listen to a webinar :?
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Steve D
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 11:28 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
> What, you mean they didn't just change the 5's to 3's in the GUI?
>
> Learn something new everyday.  :p
>
> -Steve D
>
> On Nov 30, 2016 8:41 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
> There are probably hardware filters on the RF side.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 11/30/2016 8:35 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> so I have a technical question. The m365 gear is ssupposed to be
> downconverted 5ghz, is that a software downconvert? (FCC ID issues aside)
> If thats the case could this be loaded onto m365 to turn it into epmp 
> 5ghz?
> I assume the downconvert is more than a software load, but man, I 
> literally
> would make a very inappropriate mess if I could dump the ubnt 3ghz network
> into epmp in one move
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
> 25% is what I remember.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 11/30/2016 11:29:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
>
> That's a very interesting point. I don't think their margins are that
> low though. They've done what, 40mil units sold? I think that was the last
> number I heard.
>
> On Nov 30, 2016 10:27 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
> wrote:
>
> If Ubiquitis margins were low then Cambium could very well end up
> making more money on a radio that Ubiquiti engineered, manufactures, and
> delivered. Lol
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:24 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is capitalism in its finest form. Cambium just upped the bar
> substantially. The market had a very serious issue, and they solved it,
> while still generating substantial revenue. Im curious what their profit
> per hardware unit sold is compared to the profit per license, with no real
> liability. Hopefully this will force ubnt to really focus efforts on real
> sync that actually works and get an actual legitimate support channel. Or
> even better, sell their radios preloaded with the EPMP load and work out a
> discount for AP licenses through them for their customers. Mikrotik I
> assume is just saying "meh, our products are good"
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is pretty neat with the whole Mikrotik thing, basically you can
> run a Mikrotik CPE network and be GPS synchronized then...
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

its not out yet so we will see, but I would assume it works flawless once
it gets here because it works fine on airfiber PTP and its based on the
same platform

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:24 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> does the airfiber ptmp have functional sync that actually syncs, or just
> sync like titanium had sync?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  > wrote:
>
>> Hopefulyl UBNT will step up their game now, its crucial to keeping prices
>> low that there is strong competition among venders. I am hoping the
>> Airfiber PTMP comes out soon so that this will beat Cambium back on price
>> with the 450 line which is sucking my wallet dry everyday.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> the jist of it is like when Jesus turned water into wine, only now jesus
>>> is cambium, but he wants 35 bucks for the wine
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
>>>
 http://www.mtin.net/blog/?p=1442
 Some Cliff Notes

 Justin Wilson
 j...@mtin.net

 ---
 http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
 xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

 http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
 Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

 On Nov 30, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Dennis Burgess 
 wrote:

 Someone want to write up the entire thing?  What it is etc?  how it
 works vs having us all listen to a webinar :?

 *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
 MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
  –
 MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

 For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
 Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
 Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
 E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net

 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
 Behalf Of *Steve D
 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 11:28 AM
 *To:* af 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

 What, you mean they didn't just change the 5's to 3's in the GUI?

 Learn something new everyday.  :p

 -Steve D

 On Nov 30, 2016 8:41 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

 There are probably hardware filters on the RF side.

 bp

 On 11/30/2016 8:35 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

 so I have a technical question. The m365 gear is ssupposed to be
 downconverted 5ghz, is that a software downconvert? (FCC ID issues aside)
 If thats the case could this be loaded onto m365 to turn it into epmp 5ghz?
 I assume the downconvert is more than a software load, but man, I literally
 would make a very inappropriate mess if I could dump the ubnt 3ghz network
 into epmp in one move

 On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

 25% is what I remember.

 -- Original Message --
 From: "Josh Reynolds" 
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: 11/30/2016 11:29:32 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

 That's a very interesting point. I don't think their margins are that
 low though. They've done what, 40mil units sold? I think that was the last
 number I heard.

 On Nov 30, 2016 10:27 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
 wrote:

 If Ubiquitis margins were low then Cambium could very well end up
 making more money on a radio that Ubiquiti engineered, manufactures, and
 delivered. Lol

 On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:24 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

 This is capitalism in its finest form. Cambium just upped the bar
 substantially. The market had a very serious issue, and they solved it,
 while still generating substantial revenue. Im curious what their profit
 per hardware unit sold is compared to the profit per license, with no real
 liability. Hopefully this will force ubnt to really focus efforts on real
 sync that actually works and get an actual legitimate support channel. Or
 even better, sell their radios preloaded with the EPMP load and work out a
 discount for AP licenses through them for their customers. Mikrotik I
 assume is just saying "meh, our products are good"

 On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
 lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:

 This is pretty neat with the whole Mikrotik thing, basically you can
 run a Mikrotik CPE network and be GPS synchronized then...

 On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Jason Wilson <
 ja...@remotelylocated.com> wrote:

 ePMP Elevate Compatibility

 *check the Release Notes for complete details*

- *Loco M5 XW*
- *Loco M5 XM*
- *NanoStation M5 XW*
- *NanoStation M5 XM*
>

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

does the airfiber ptmp have functional sync that actually syncs, or just
sync like titanium had sync?



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Hopefulyl UBNT will step up their game now, its crucial to keeping prices
> low that there is strong competition among venders. I am hoping the
> Airfiber PTMP comes out soon so that this will beat Cambium back on price
> with the 450 line which is sucking my wallet dry everyday.
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> the jist of it is like when Jesus turned water into wine, only now jesus
>> is cambium, but he wants 35 bucks for the wine
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.mtin.net/blog/?p=1442
>>> Some Cliff Notes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Justin Wilson
>>> j...@mtin.net
>>>
>>> ---
>>> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
>>> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>>>
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
>>> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Dennis Burgess 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Someone want to write up the entire thing?  What it is etc?  how it
>>> works vs having us all listen to a webinar :?
>>>
>>>
>>> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>>> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>>>  –
>>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>>>
>>> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>>> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>>> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>>> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Steve D
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 11:28 AM
>>> *To:* af 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>>>
>>> What, you mean they didn't just change the 5's to 3's in the GUI?
>>>
>>> Learn something new everyday.  :p
>>>
>>> -Steve D
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2016 8:41 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>>
>>> There are probably hardware filters on the RF side.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/30/2016 8:35 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>
>>> so I have a technical question. The m365 gear is ssupposed to be
>>> downconverted 5ghz, is that a software downconvert? (FCC ID issues aside)
>>> If thats the case could this be loaded onto m365 to turn it into epmp 5ghz?
>>> I assume the downconvert is more than a software load, but man, I literally
>>> would make a very inappropriate mess if I could dump the ubnt 3ghz network
>>> into epmp in one move
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 25% is what I remember.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 11/30/2016 11:29:32 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>>>
>>>
>>> That's a very interesting point. I don't think their margins are that
>>> low though. They've done what, 40mil units sold? I think that was the last
>>> number I heard.
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2016 10:27 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If Ubiquitis margins were low then Cambium could very well end up making
>>> more money on a radio that Ubiquiti engineered, manufactures, and
>>> delivered. Lol
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:24 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is capitalism in its finest form. Cambium just upped the bar
>>> substantially. The market had a very serious issue, and they solved it,
>>> while still generating substantial revenue. Im curious what their profit
>>> per hardware unit sold is compared to the profit per license, with no real
>>> liability. Hopefully this will force ubnt to really focus efforts on real
>>> sync that actually works and get an actual legitimate support channel. Or
>>> even better, sell their radios preloaded with the EPMP load and work out a
>>> discount for AP licenses through them for their customers. Mikrotik I
>>> assume is just saying "meh, our products are good"
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is pretty neat with the whole Mikrotik thing, basically you can run
>>> a Mikrotik CPE network and be GPS synchronized then...
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Jason Wilson <
>>> ja...@remotelylocated.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ePMP Elevate Compatibility
>>>
>>> *check the Release Notes for complete details*
>>>
>>>- *Loco M5 XW*
>>>- *Loco M5 XM*
>>>- *NanoStation M5 XW*
>>>- *NanoStation M5 XM*
>>>- *NanoBridge M5 XM*
>>>- *Rocket M5 XM*
>>>- *Rocket M5 XW*
>>>- *Powerbeam M5 XW*
>>>- *Airgrid M5HP XW*
>>>- *Airgrid M5 XM*
>>>- *NanoBeam M5 XW*
>>>
>>> ePMP Elevate DevelopmentsRELEASE 1.0 - NOW AVAILABLE
>>>
>>>- XM + XW model
>>>- Rocket M5 support as a SM - Dec 28, 2016
>>>
>>> RELEASE 2.0 - END OF Q1 2017
>>>
>>>- MikroTik Support - Alpha enga

[AFMUG] grrr

2016-11-30 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

I literally have to update support ticket in this manner regularly:

"CS, this customers connection dropped RX substantially on the 19th, then
on the 28th it went though a further decline

STILL FOLLOW STANDARD SUPPORT

it could just have been an uptime issue, and even if we upgrade his
equipment our goal would be to get his service at least functional between
today and the day we get there

AFTER it is visually verified, while the customer is on the line that the
equipment is correctly connected and appropriate lights are on and the
correct color, please schedule an upgrade of his equipment"


the worst part about it is that based on historical trends, the next CSR
update will be "Scheduled upgrade with customer"

When the tech gets back from the upgrade, he will report in his update
"upon arrival, inspection showed the customer had their radio cable plugged
directly into their laptop and the power supply was in the microwave"

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

Hopefulyl UBNT will step up their game now, its crucial to keeping prices
low that there is strong competition among venders. I am hoping the
Airfiber PTMP comes out soon so that this will beat Cambium back on price
with the 450 line which is sucking my wallet dry everyday.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> the jist of it is like when Jesus turned water into wine, only now jesus
> is cambium, but he wants 35 bucks for the wine
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
>
>> http://www.mtin.net/blog/?p=1442
>> Some Cliff Notes
>>
>>
>>
>> Justin Wilson
>> j...@mtin.net
>>
>> ---
>> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
>> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>>
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
>> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Dennis Burgess 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Someone want to write up the entire thing?  What it is etc?  how it works
>> vs having us all listen to a webinar :?
>>
>>
>> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
>> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>>  –
>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>>
>> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
>> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Steve D
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 11:28 AM
>> *To:* af 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>>
>> What, you mean they didn't just change the 5's to 3's in the GUI?
>>
>> Learn something new everyday.  :p
>>
>> -Steve D
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2016 8:41 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>> There are probably hardware filters on the RF side.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/30/2016 8:35 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>> so I have a technical question. The m365 gear is ssupposed to be
>> downconverted 5ghz, is that a software downconvert? (FCC ID issues aside)
>> If thats the case could this be loaded onto m365 to turn it into epmp 5ghz?
>> I assume the downconvert is more than a software load, but man, I literally
>> would make a very inappropriate mess if I could dump the ubnt 3ghz network
>> into epmp in one move
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 25% is what I remember.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 11/30/2016 11:29:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>>
>>
>> That's a very interesting point. I don't think their margins are that low
>> though. They've done what, 40mil units sold? I think that was the last
>> number I heard.
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2016 10:27 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> If Ubiquitis margins were low then Cambium could very well end up making
>> more money on a radio that Ubiquiti engineered, manufactures, and
>> delivered. Lol
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:24 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This is capitalism in its finest form. Cambium just upped the bar
>> substantially. The market had a very serious issue, and they solved it,
>> while still generating substantial revenue. Im curious what their profit
>> per hardware unit sold is compared to the profit per license, with no real
>> liability. Hopefully this will force ubnt to really focus efforts on real
>> sync that actually works and get an actual legitimate support channel. Or
>> even better, sell their radios preloaded with the EPMP load and work out a
>> discount for AP licenses through them for their customers. Mikrotik I
>> assume is just saying "meh, our products are good"
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This is pretty neat with the whole Mikrotik thing, basically you can run
>> a Mikrotik CPE network and be GPS synchronized then...
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Jason Wilson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ePMP Elevate Compatibility
>>
>> *check the Release Notes for complete details*
>>
>>- *Loco M5 XW*
>>- *Loco M5 XM*
>>- *NanoStation M5 XW*
>>- *NanoStation M5 XM*
>>- *NanoBridge M5 XM*
>>- *Rocket M5 XM*
>>- *Rocket M5 XW*
>>- *Powerbeam M5 XW*
>>- *Airgrid M5HP XW*
>>- *Airgrid M5 XM*
>>- *NanoBeam M5 XW*
>>
>> ePMP Elevate DevelopmentsRELEASE 1.0 - NOW AVAILABLE
>>
>>- XM + XW model
>>- Rocket M5 support as a SM - Dec 28, 2016
>>
>> RELEASE 2.0 - END OF Q1 2017
>>
>>- MikroTik Support - Alpha engagement in Q4, 2016
>>- RB911G5HPnDQRT
>>- RBSXT5nDr2
>>- RB912UAG5HPnDOT
>>
>> 2.4 XW + XM MODELS - END OF Q1, 2017DELIBERANT SUPPORT - Q2, 2017
>>
>> Jason Wilson
>> Remotely Located
>> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>> 530-651-1736 <%28530%29%20651-1736>
>> 530-748-9608 <%28530%29%20748-9608> Cell
>> www.

[AFMUG] cadweld tower base alternative?

2016-11-30 Thread Dev

Are there any alternatives to cadwelding the ground lugs to a tower base 
flange? Sounds complicated.

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

the jist of it is like when Jesus turned water into wine, only now jesus is
cambium, but he wants 35 bucks for the wine

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:

> http://www.mtin.net/blog/?p=1442
> Some Cliff Notes
>
>
>
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> ---
> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>
> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
> Someone want to write up the entire thing?  What it is etc?  how it works
> vs having us all listen to a webinar :?
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess** –** Network Solution Engineer – Consultant *
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant
>  –
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
> Office: 314-735-0270 <(314)%20735-0270>
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Steve D
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 11:28 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
> What, you mean they didn't just change the 5's to 3's in the GUI?
>
> Learn something new everyday.  :p
>
> -Steve D
>
> On Nov 30, 2016 8:41 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
> There are probably hardware filters on the RF side.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 11/30/2016 8:35 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> so I have a technical question. The m365 gear is ssupposed to be
> downconverted 5ghz, is that a software downconvert? (FCC ID issues aside)
> If thats the case could this be loaded onto m365 to turn it into epmp 5ghz?
> I assume the downconvert is more than a software load, but man, I literally
> would make a very inappropriate mess if I could dump the ubnt 3ghz network
> into epmp in one move
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
> 25% is what I remember.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 11/30/2016 11:29:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
>
> That's a very interesting point. I don't think their margins are that low
> though. They've done what, 40mil units sold? I think that was the last
> number I heard.
>
> On Nov 30, 2016 10:27 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
> wrote:
>
> If Ubiquitis margins were low then Cambium could very well end up making
> more money on a radio that Ubiquiti engineered, manufactures, and
> delivered. Lol
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:24 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is capitalism in its finest form. Cambium just upped the bar
> substantially. The market had a very serious issue, and they solved it,
> while still generating substantial revenue. Im curious what their profit
> per hardware unit sold is compared to the profit per license, with no real
> liability. Hopefully this will force ubnt to really focus efforts on real
> sync that actually works and get an actual legitimate support channel. Or
> even better, sell their radios preloaded with the EPMP load and work out a
> discount for AP licenses through them for their customers. Mikrotik I
> assume is just saying "meh, our products are good"
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is pretty neat with the whole Mikrotik thing, basically you can run a
> Mikrotik CPE network and be GPS synchronized then...
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Jason Wilson 
> wrote:
>
> ePMP Elevate Compatibility
>
> *check the Release Notes for complete details*
>
>- *Loco M5 XW*
>- *Loco M5 XM*
>- *NanoStation M5 XW*
>- *NanoStation M5 XM*
>- *NanoBridge M5 XM*
>- *Rocket M5 XM*
>- *Rocket M5 XW*
>- *Powerbeam M5 XW*
>- *Airgrid M5HP XW*
>- *Airgrid M5 XM*
>- *NanoBeam M5 XW*
>
> ePMP Elevate DevelopmentsRELEASE 1.0 - NOW AVAILABLE
>
>- XM + XW model
>- Rocket M5 support as a SM - Dec 28, 2016
>
> RELEASE 2.0 - END OF Q1 2017
>
>- MikroTik Support - Alpha engagement in Q4, 2016
>- RB911G5HPnDQRT
>- RBSXT5nDr2
>- RB912UAG5HPnDOT
>
> 2.4 XW + XM MODELS - END OF Q1, 2017DELIBERANT SUPPORT - Q2, 2017
>
> Jason Wilson
> Remotely Located
> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
> 530-651-1736 <%28530%29%20651-1736>
> 530-748-9608 <%28530%29%20748-9608> Cell
> www.remotelylocated.com
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
>
> Does this work for 11ac Mikrotiks ;-))
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Jason Wilson
> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 17:03
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>
> I tuned in to the last half of the webinar, Mikrotik is down the road, BUT
> is in the works.  From a 100% Mikrotik network that is a time/cash saver.
>
> Jason Wilson
> Remotely Located
> Providing Hig

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread Justin Wilson

http://www.mtin.net/blog/?p=1442 
Some Cliff Notes



Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Nov 30, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Dennis Burgess  wrote:
> 
> Someone want to write up the entire thing?  What it is etc?  how it works vs 
> having us all listen to a webinar :?
>  
>  
> Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant 
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant 
>  – MTCNA, 
> MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>  
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net 
> 
> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 
> 
> Office: 314-735-0270
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Steve D
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 11:28 AM
> To: af mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>  
> What, you mean they didn't just change the 5's to 3's in the GUI?  
>  
> Learn something new everyday.  :p
>  
> -Steve D
>  
> On Nov 30, 2016 8:41 AM, "Bill Prince"  > wrote:
> There are probably hardware filters on the RF side.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 11/30/2016 8:35 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
> so I have a technical question. The m365 gear is ssupposed to be 
> downconverted 5ghz, is that a software downconvert? (FCC ID issues aside) If 
> thats the case could this be loaded onto m365 to turn it into epmp 5ghz? I 
> assume the downconvert is more than a software load, but man, I literally 
> would make a very inappropriate mess if I could dump the ubnt 3ghz network 
> into epmp in one move
>  
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett  > wrote:
> 25% is what I remember.
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: 11/30/2016 11:29:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>  
> That's a very interesting point. I don't think their margins are that low 
> though. They've done what, 40mil units sold? I think that was the last number 
> I heard.
> 
>  
> On Nov 30, 2016 10:27 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser"  > wrote:
> If Ubiquitis margins were low then Cambium could very well end up making more 
> money on a radio that Ubiquiti engineered, manufactures, and delivered. Lol
>  
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:24 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> This is capitalism in its finest form. Cambium just upped the bar 
> substantially. The market had a very serious issue, and they solved it, while 
> still generating substantial revenue. Im curious what their profit per 
> hardware unit sold is compared to the profit per license, with no real 
> liability. Hopefully this will force ubnt to really focus efforts on real 
> sync that actually works and get an actual legitimate support channel. Or 
> even better, sell their radios preloaded with the EPMP load and work out a 
> discount for AP licenses through them for their customers. Mikrotik I assume 
> is just saying "meh, our products are good"
>  
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  > wrote:
> This is pretty neat with the whole Mikrotik thing, basically you can run a 
> Mikrotik CPE network and be GPS synchronized then...
>  
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Jason Wilson  > wrote:
> ePMP Elevate Compatibility
> 
> check the Release Notes for complete details
> 
> Loco M5 XW
> Loco M5 XM
> NanoStation M5 XW
> NanoStation M5 XM
> NanoBridge M5 XM
> Rocket M5 XM
> Rocket M5 XW
> Powerbeam M5 XW
> Airgrid M5HP XW
> Airgrid M5 XM
> NanoBeam M5 XW
> ePMP Elevate Developments
> 
> RELEASE 1.0 - NOW AVAILABLE
> 
> XM + XW model
> Rocket M5 support as a SM - Dec 28, 2016
> RELEASE 2.0 - END OF Q1 2017
> 
> MikroTik Support - Alpha engagement in Q4, 2016
> RB911G5HPnDQRT
> RBSXT5nDr2
> RB912UAG5HPnDOT
> 2.4 XW + XM MODELS - END OF Q1, 2017
> 
> DELIBERANT SUPPORT - Q2, 2017
> 
> 
> 
> Jason Wilson
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> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Stefan Englhardt  > wrote:
> Does this work for 11ac Mikrotiks ;-))
>  
>  
> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im 
> Auftrag von Jason Wilson
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 17:03
> An: af@afmug.com 
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>  
> I tuned in to the last half of the webinar, Mikrotik

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread Dennis Burgess

Someone want to write up the entire thing?  What it is etc?  how it works vs 
having us all listen to a webinar :?


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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve D
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 11:28 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

What, you mean they didn't just change the 5's to 3's in the GUI?

Learn something new everyday.  :p

-Steve D

On Nov 30, 2016 8:41 AM, "Bill Prince" 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

There are probably hardware filters on the RF side.



bp




On 11/30/2016 8:35 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
so I have a technical question. The m365 gear is ssupposed to be downconverted 
5ghz, is that a software downconvert? (FCC ID issues aside) If thats the case 
could this be loaded onto m365 to turn it into epmp 5ghz? I assume the 
downconvert is more than a software load, but man, I literally would make a 
very inappropriate mess if I could dump the ubnt 3ghz network into epmp in one 
move

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
25% is what I remember.


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/30/2016 11:29:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!


That's a very interesting point. I don't think their margins are that low 
though. They've done what, 40mil units sold? I think that was the last number I 
heard.

On Nov 30, 2016 10:27 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
If Ubiquitis margins were low then Cambium could very well end up making more 
money on a radio that Ubiquiti engineered, manufactures, and delivered. Lol

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:24 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
This is capitalism in its finest form. Cambium just upped the bar 
substantially. The market had a very serious issue, and they solved it, while 
still generating substantial revenue. Im curious what their profit per hardware 
unit sold is compared to the profit per license, with no real liability. 
Hopefully this will force ubnt to really focus efforts on real sync that 
actually works and get an actual legitimate support channel. Or even better, 
sell their radios preloaded with the EPMP load and work out a discount for AP 
licenses through them for their customers. Mikrotik I assume is just saying 
"meh, our products are good"

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
This is pretty neat with the whole Mikrotik thing, basically you can run a 
Mikrotik CPE network and be GPS synchronized then...

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Jason Wilson 
mailto:ja...@remotelylocated.com>> wrote:
ePMP Elevate Compatibility

check the Release Notes for complete details

  *   Loco M5 XW
  *   Loco M5 XM
  *   NanoStation M5 XW
  *   NanoStation M5 XM
  *   NanoBridge M5 XM
  *   Rocket M5 XM
  *   Rocket M5 XW
  *   Powerbeam M5 XW
  *   Airgrid M5HP XW
  *   Airgrid M5 XM
  *   NanoBeam M5 XW

ePMP Elevate Developments
RELEASE 1.0 - NOW AVAILABLE

  *   XM + XW model
  *   Rocket M5 support as a SM - Dec 28, 2016

RELEASE 2.0 - END OF Q1 2017

  *   MikroTik Support - Alpha engagement in Q4, 2016
  *   RB911G5HPnDQRT
  *   RBSXT5nDr2
  *   RB912UAG5HPnDOT

2.4 XW + XM MODELS - END OF Q1, 2017
DELIBERANT SUPPORT - Q2, 2017

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On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Stefan Englhardt 
mailto:s...@genias.net>> wrote:
Does this work for 11ac Mikrotiks ;-))


Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag 
von Jason Wilson
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 17:03
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

I tuned in to the last half of the webinar, Mikrotik is down the road, BUT is 
in the works.  From a 100% Mikrotik network that is a time/cash saver.

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Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Jason Wilson 
mailto:ja...@remotelylocated.com>> wrote:

Mikrotik?

On Nov 30, 2016 7:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
mail

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread Steve D

What, you mean they didn't just change the 5's to 3's in the GUI?

Learn something new everyday.  :p

-Steve D

On Nov 30, 2016 8:41 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> There are probably hardware filters on the RF side.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 11/30/2016 8:35 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> so I have a technical question. The m365 gear is ssupposed to be
> downconverted 5ghz, is that a software downconvert? (FCC ID issues aside)
> If thats the case could this be loaded onto m365 to turn it into epmp 5ghz?
> I assume the downconvert is more than a software load, but man, I literally
> would make a very inappropriate mess if I could dump the ubnt 3ghz network
> into epmp in one move
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
>> 25% is what I remember.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 11/30/2016 11:29:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>>
>> That's a very interesting point. I don't think their margins are that low
>> though. They've done what, 40mil units sold? I think that was the last
>> number I heard.
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2016 10:27 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If Ubiquitis margins were low then Cambium could very well end up making
>>> more money on a radio that Ubiquiti engineered, manufactures, and
>>> delivered. Lol
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:24 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 This is capitalism in its finest form. Cambium just upped the bar
 substantially. The market had a very serious issue, and they solved it,
 while still generating substantial revenue. Im curious what their profit
 per hardware unit sold is compared to the profit per license, with no real
 liability. Hopefully this will force ubnt to really focus efforts on real
 sync that actually works and get an actual legitimate support channel. Or
 even better, sell their radios preloaded with the EPMP load and work out a
 discount for AP licenses through them for their customers. Mikrotik I
 assume is just saying "meh, our products are good"

 On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
 lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This is pretty neat with the whole Mikrotik thing, basically you can
> run a Mikrotik CPE network and be GPS synchronized then...
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Jason Wilson <
> ja...@remotelylocated.com> wrote:
>
>> ePMP Elevate Compatibility
>>
>> check the Release Notes for complete details
>>
>>- Loco M5 XW
>>- Loco M5 XM
>>- NanoStation M5 XW
>>- NanoStation M5 XM
>>- NanoBridge M5 XM
>>- Rocket M5 XM
>>- Rocket M5 XW
>>- Powerbeam M5 XW
>>- Airgrid M5HP XW
>>- Airgrid M5 XM
>>- NanoBeam M5 XW
>>
>> ePMP Elevate Developments RELEASE 1.0 - NOW AVAILABLE
>>
>>- XM + XW model
>>- Rocket M5 support as a SM - Dec 28, 2016
>>
>> RELEASE 2.0 - END OF Q1 2017
>>
>>- MikroTik Support - Alpha engagement in Q4, 2016
>>- RB911G5HPnDQRT
>>- RBSXT5nDr2
>>- RB912UAG5HPnDOT
>>
>> 2.4 XW + XM MODELS - END OF Q1, 2017 DELIBERANT SUPPORT - Q2, 2017
>>
>>
>> Jason Wilson
>> Remotely Located
>> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>> 530-651-1736 <%28530%29%20651-1736>
>> 530-748-9608 <%28530%29%20748-9608> Cell
>> www.remotelylocated.com
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Stefan Englhardt 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does this work for 11ac Mikrotiks ;-))
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Jason
>>> Wilson
>>> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 30. November 2016 17:03
>>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I tuned in to the last half of the webinar, Mikrotik is down the
>>> road, BUT is in the works.  From a 100% Mikrotik network that is a
>>> time/cash saver.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jason Wilson
>>>
>>> Remotely Located
>>>
>>> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>>>
>>> 530-651-1736 <%28530%29%20651-1736>
>>>
>>> 530-748-9608 <%28530%29%20748-9608> Cell
>>>
>>> www.remotelylocated.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Jason Wilson <
>>> ja...@remotelylocated.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mikrotik?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2016 7:31 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> we have been installing epmp SMs to ubnt backhauls on small sites by
>>> shutting off airmax until we get a chance to get EPMP APs at the site, 
>>> this
>>> might give us a better window
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Adam Moffett 
>>> wrot

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

2016-11-30 Thread Ray Savich

The replay of today's webinar is at 
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-2000-and-1000/ePMP-Elevate-webinar-replay/m-p/62777#U62777

Ray

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