Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[Paul Stewart]

My house used to run purely on Control4 system .. professionally installed and 
quite expensive.  I got sick of $125 service calls for rather simple stuff to 
be done and decided to replace it with a DYI system…. The Control4 system with 
labour and service calls etc set me back around $25k in total.

 

Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested plus my time … at 
most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero headaches …. And no service calls.

 

The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I did) is working 
with electrical in your house … I replaced outlets and switches for example and 
the zwave stuff I used is much deeper than normal switches – I wish now that I 
had just hired an electrician to mess around with that stuff in particular as 
it’s not something I do every day kind of thing ….

 

I know someone in my area that does home automation for a living … done it for 
years.  He is very busy … his main clients are folks who have cottages and wish 
to remotely control/monitor their properties especially during times they are 
not visiting it very much …  

 

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af  on behalf of Joe Novak 
Reply-To: 
Date: Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:13 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/

 

Just reading that a little bit may peak your interest in the DIY stuff. I am 
considering setting up a system at home. https://home-assistant.io/ is the 
software I'd like to use to run it.

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:48 PM, jay weekley  wrote:

That's what I was wondering.  I look at the stuff Lowe's and wonder how many 
people have the knowledge to set it all up but I have zero knowledge in the 
products.  Maybe it's time to automate my thermostat. 

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

There is so much do it yourself gear out there now I would think the only money 
would be in the very high end stuff. Things you probably have to focus as a 
sole business.

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:23 AM jay weekley  wrote:

Is there any real money to be made in home automation?  Any recurring revenue?  
How about headaches and problems?

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[Tushar Patel]

Do you have part list you used you can share?
You mentioned Zwave. What else?


Tushar


> On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
> 
> My house used to run purely on Control4 system .. professionally installed 
> and quite expensive.  I got sick of $125 service calls for rather simple 
> stuff to be done and decided to replace it with a DYI system…. The Control4 
> system with labour and service calls etc set me back around $25k in total.
>  
> Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested plus my time … at 
> most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero headaches …. And no service calls.
>  
> The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I did) is 
> working with electrical in your house … I replaced outlets and switches for 
> example and the zwave stuff I used is much deeper than normal switches – I 
> wish now that I had just hired an electrician to mess around with that stuff 
> in particular as it’s not something I do every day kind of thing ….
>  
> I know someone in my area that does home automation for a living … done it 
> for years.  He is very busy … his main clients are folks who have cottages 
> and wish to remotely control/monitor their properties especially during times 
> they are not visiting it very much …  
>  
> Paul
>  
>  
>  
> From: Af  on behalf of Joe Novak 
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:13 PM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation
>  
> https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/
>  
> Just reading that a little bit may peak your interest in the DIY stuff. I am 
> considering setting up a system at home. https://home-assistant.io/ is the 
> software I'd like to use to run it.
>  
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:48 PM, jay weekley  wrote:
> That's what I was wondering.  I look at the stuff Lowe's and wonder how many 
> people have the knowledge to set it all up but I have zero knowledge in the 
> products.  Maybe it's time to automate my thermostat.
>  
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> There is so much do it yourself gear out there now I would think the only 
> money would be in the very high end stuff. Things you probably have to focus 
> as a sole business.
>  
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:23 AM jay weekley  wrote:
> Is there any real money to be made in home automation?  Any recurring 
> revenue?  How about headaches and problems?
>  
>  

[AFMUG] Ceragon IP10 firmware

[Erich Kaiser]

Anyone willing to send me latest Ceragon IP10C Firmware, please hit me
offilist.  We have a bug in current software where traffic stops passing on
the remote end and it requires a CLI remote reboot in order for it to start
passing traffic again.

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[Jaime Solorza]

on a road from Lordsburg NM to Douglas,  Az.   I noticed these small
observatories close to what looked like nice homes.   I asked Lordsburg IT
guy who lives in Rodeo off this road.   Says these homes belong to eastern
Yanks who use them as vacation and hunting homes plus access their
telescopes from home via Internet... Most have automation that he
troubleshoots once in a while.   I have done cameras and two way radio for
several hunting ranches in Marta, Texas.The pay is good.  I want to go
out after cellular boosters for them as well.

On Jan 8, 2017 4:58 AM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

> My house used to run purely on Control4 system .. professionally installed
> and quite expensive.  I got sick of $125 service calls for rather simple
> stuff to be done and decided to replace it with a DYI system…. The Control4
> system with labour and service calls etc set me back around $25k in total.
>
>
>
> Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested plus my time …
> at most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero headaches …. And no service calls.
>
>
>
> The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I did) is
> working with electrical in your house … I replaced outlets and switches for
> example and the zwave stuff I used is much deeper than normal switches – I
> wish now that I had just hired an electrician to mess around with that
> stuff in particular as it’s not something I do every day kind of thing ….
>
>
>
> I know someone in my area that does home automation for a living … done it
> for years.  He is very busy … his main clients are folks who have cottages
> and wish to remotely control/monitor their properties especially during
> times they are not visiting it very much …
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Joe Novak <
> jno...@lrcomm.com>
> *Reply-To: *
> *Date: *Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:13 PM
> *To: *
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation
>
>
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/
>
>
>
> Just reading that a little bit may peak your interest in the DIY stuff. I
> am considering setting up a system at home. https://home-assistant.io/ is
> the software I'd like to use to run it.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:48 PM, jay weekley 
> wrote:
>
> That's what I was wondering.  I look at the stuff Lowe's and wonder how
> many people have the knowledge to set it all up but I have zero knowledge
> in the products.  Maybe it's time to automate my thermostat.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
> There is so much do it yourself gear out there now I would think the only
> money would be in the very high end stuff. Things you probably have to
> focus as a sole business.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:23 AM jay weekley 
> wrote:
>
> Is there any real money to be made in home automation?  Any recurring
> revenue?  How about headaches and problems?
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[Chuck McCown]

What he said...

From: Tushar Patel 
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 6:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

Do you have part list you used you can share?
You mentioned Zwave. What else?


Tushar 


On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:


  My house used to run purely on Control4 system .. professionally installed 
and quite expensive.  I got sick of $125 service calls for rather simple stuff 
to be done and decided to replace it with a DYI system…. The Control4 system 
with labour and service calls etc set me back around $25k in total.

   

  Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested plus my time … at 
most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero headaches …. And no service calls.

   

  The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I did) is 
working with electrical in your house … I replaced outlets and switches for 
example and the zwave stuff I used is much deeper than normal switches – I wish 
now that I had just hired an electrician to mess around with that stuff in 
particular as it’s not something I do every day kind of thing ….

   

  I know someone in my area that does home automation for a living … done it 
for years.  He is very busy … his main clients are folks who have cottages and 
wish to remotely control/monitor their properties especially during times they 
are not visiting it very much …  

   

  Paul

   

   

   

  From: Af  on behalf of Joe Novak 
  Reply-To: 
  Date: Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:13 PM
  To: 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

   

  https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/

   

  Just reading that a little bit may peak your interest in the DIY stuff. I am 
considering setting up a system at home. https://home-assistant.io/ is the 
software I'd like to use to run it.

   

  On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:48 PM, jay weekley  wrote:

That's what I was wondering.  I look at the stuff Lowe's and wonder how 
many people have the knowledge to set it all up but I have zero knowledge in 
the products.  Maybe it's time to automate my thermostat. 

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Lewis Bergman  
wrote:

  There is so much do it yourself gear out there now I would think the only 
money would be in the very high end stuff. Things you probably have to focus as 
a sole business.

   

  On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:23 AM jay weekley  
wrote:

Is there any real money to be made in home automation?  Any recurring 
revenue?  How about headaches and problems?

 

   

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[Jaime Solorza]

I have installed the Honeywell smart thermostats for two way radio repeater
communication rooms on Franklin mountains .  Emails client when temperature
varies from his desired levels.   Our summers get toasty so that is his
main concern... Ice build up on antennas does happen but not much you can
do about it safely.

On Jan 8, 2017 10:20 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> What he said...
>
> *From:* Tushar Patel
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 08, 2017 6:40 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation
>
> Do you have part list you used you can share?
> You mentioned Zwave. What else?
>
>
> Tushar
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>
> My house used to run purely on Control4 system .. professionally installed
> and quite expensive.  I got sick of $125 service calls for rather simple
> stuff to be done and decided to replace it with a DYI system…. The Control4
> system with labour and service calls etc set me back around $25k in total.
>
>
>
> Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested plus my time …
> at most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero headaches …. And no service calls.
>
>
>
> The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I did) is
> working with electrical in your house … I replaced outlets and switches for
> example and the zwave stuff I used is much deeper than normal switches – I
> wish now that I had just hired an electrician to mess around with that
> stuff in particular as it’s not something I do every day kind of thing ….
>
>
>
> I know someone in my area that does home automation for a living … done it
> for years.  He is very busy … his main clients are folks who have cottages
> and wish to remotely control/monitor their properties especially during
> times they are not visiting it very much …
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Joe Novak <
> jno...@lrcomm.com>
> *Reply-To: *
> *Date: *Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:13 PM
> *To: *
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation
>
>
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/
>
>
>
> Just reading that a little bit may peak your interest in the DIY stuff. I
> am considering setting up a system at home. https://home-assistant.io/ is
> the software I'd like to use to run it.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:48 PM, jay weekley 
> wrote:
>
> That's what I was wondering.  I look at the stuff Lowe's and wonder how
> many people have the knowledge to set it all up but I have zero knowledge
> in the products.  Maybe it's time to automate my thermostat.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
> There is so much do it yourself gear out there now I would think the only
> money would be in the very high end stuff. Things you probably have to
> focus as a sole business.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:23 AM jay weekley 
> wrote:
>
> Is there any real money to be made in home automation?  Any recurring
> revenue?  How about headaches and problems?
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[Tushar Patel]

I guess it helps to do more research on the product before asking question, my 
bad. 

Zwave has very competitive list of products.



Tushar


> On Jan 8, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> I have installed the Honeywell smart thermostats for two way radio repeater 
> communication rooms on Franklin mountains .  Emails client when temperature 
> varies from his desired levels.   Our summers get toasty so that is his main 
> concern... Ice build up on antennas does happen but not much you can do about 
> it safely.   
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2017 10:20 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>> What he said...
>>  
>> From: Tushar Patel
>> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 6:40 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation
>>  
>> Do you have part list you used you can share?
>> You mentioned Zwave. What else?
>> 
>> 
>> Tushar
>>  
>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My house used to run purely on Control4 system .. professionally installed 
>>> and quite expensive.  I got sick of $125 service calls for rather simple 
>>> stuff to be done and decided to replace it with a DYI system…. The Control4 
>>> system with labour and service calls etc set me back around $25k in total.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested plus my time … 
>>> at most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero headaches …. And no service calls.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I did) is 
>>> working with electrical in your house … I replaced outlets and switches for 
>>> example and the zwave stuff I used is much deeper than normal switches – I 
>>> wish now that I had just hired an electrician to mess around with that 
>>> stuff in particular as it’s not something I do every day kind of thing ….
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I know someone in my area that does home automation for a living … done it 
>>> for years.  He is very busy … his main clients are folks who have cottages 
>>> and wish to remotely control/monitor their properties especially during 
>>> times they are not visiting it very much … 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Af  on behalf of Joe Novak 
>>> Reply-To: 
>>> Date: Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:13 PM
>>> To: 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Just reading that a little bit may peak your interest in the DIY stuff. I 
>>> am considering setting up a system at home. https://home-assistant.io/ is 
>>> the software I'd like to use to run it.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:48 PM, jay weekley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's what I was wondering.  I look at the stuff Lowe's and wonder how 
>>> many people have the knowledge to set it all up but I have zero knowledge 
>>> in the products.  Maybe it's time to automate my thermostat.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Lewis Bergman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is so much do it yourself gear out there now I would think the only 
>>> money would be in the very high end stuff. Things you probably have to 
>>> focus as a sole business.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:23 AM jay weekley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is there any real money to be made in home automation?  Any recurring 
>>> revenue?  How about headaches and problems?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I glanced at the website, some of the stuff looks neat.  I've got a lake rental 
property - it would be nice to use those particular door handles and be able to 
change the codes remotely or change the temp remotely.  The rest is not as cool 
to me.  We already use motion sensor lights, I have no desire to see my blinds 
go up and down automatically depending on what time of day it is (after all the 
days get longer for six months, then get shorter for six months), plus in terms 
of recurring revenue, i don't see it.

Personally I think more money could be made working with an electrician and 
working on alternative forms of energy - not only that does save you $$$ over 
the long haul but you could setup a return visit to check on everything at 
least once a year - maybe twice - and the customer pay for it out of the 
savings from not having to purchase as much utility power.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Tushar Patel 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 12:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation


  I guess it helps to do more research on the product before asking question, 
my bad. 


  Zwave has very competitive list of products.




  Tushar



  On Jan 8, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:


I have installed the Honeywell smart thermostats for two way radio repeater 
communication rooms on Franklin mountains .  Emails client when temperature 
varies from his desired levels.   Our summers get toasty so that is his main 
concern... Ice build up on antennas does happen but not much you can do about 
it safely.   


On Jan 8, 2017 10:20 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  What he said...

  From: Tushar Patel 
  Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 6:40 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

  Do you have part list you used you can share?
  You mentioned Zwave. What else?


  Tushar 


  On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:


My house used to run purely on Control4 system .. professionally 
installed and quite expensive.  I got sick of $125 service calls for rather 
simple stuff to be done and decided to replace it with a DYI system…. The 
Control4 system with labour and service calls etc set me back around $25k in 
total.



Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested plus my time 
… at most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero headaches …. And no service calls.



The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I did) is 
working with electrical in your house … I replaced outlets and switches for 
example and the zwave stuff I used is much deeper than normal switches – I wish 
now that I had just hired an electrician to mess around with that stuff in 
particular as it’s not something I do every day kind of thing ….



I know someone in my area that does home automation for a living … done 
it for years.  He is very busy … his main clients are folks who have cottages 
and wish to remotely control/monitor their properties especially during times 
they are not visiting it very much …  



Paul







From: Af  on behalf of Joe Novak 

Reply-To: 
Date: Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:13 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation



https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/



Just reading that a little bit may peak your interest in the DIY stuff. 
I am considering setting up a system at home. https://home-assistant.io/ is the 
software I'd like to use to run it.



On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:48 PM, jay weekley  
wrote:

  That's what I was wondering.  I look at the stuff Lowe's and wonder 
how many people have the knowledge to set it all up but I have zero knowledge 
in the products.  Maybe it's time to automate my thermostat. 



  On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Lewis Bergman 
 wrote:

There is so much do it yourself gear out there now I would think 
the only money would be in the very high end stuff. Things you probably have to 
focus as a sole business.



On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:23 AM jay weekley 
 wrote:

  Is there any real money to be made in home automation?  Any 
recurring revenue?  How about headaches and problems?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[Chuck McCown]

I have not done it but there is  a ton of money to be made with solar.  I can 
buy a whole grid tie system ( parts) for about $1/watt.  You can sell installed 
systems from $3 to $4 installed.  I think you could hit a 50% net margin if you 
were ambitious and wanted to grow.  

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 11:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation


I glanced at the website, some of the stuff looks neat.  I've got a lake rental 
property - it would be nice to use those particular door handles and be able to 
change the codes remotely or change the temp remotely.  The rest is not as cool 
to me.  We already use motion sensor lights, I have no desire to see my blinds 
go up and down automatically depending on what time of day it is (after all the 
days get longer for six months, then get shorter for six months), plus in terms 
of recurring revenue, i don't see it.

Personally I think more money could be made working with an electrician and 
working on alternative forms of energy - not only that does save you $$$ over 
the long haul but you could setup a return visit to check on everything at 
least once a year - maybe twice - and the customer pay for it out of the 
savings from not having to purchase as much utility power.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Tushar Patel 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 12:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

  I guess it helps to do more research on the product before asking question, 
my bad. 

  Zwave has very competitive list of products.



  Tushar 


  On Jan 8, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:


I have installed the Honeywell smart thermostats for two way radio repeater 
communication rooms on Franklin mountains .  Emails client when temperature 
varies from his desired levels.   Our summers get toasty so that is his main 
concern... Ice build up on antennas does happen but not much you can do about 
it safely.   

On Jan 8, 2017 10:20 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  What he said...

  From: Tushar Patel 
  Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 6:40 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

  Do you have part list you used you can share?
  You mentioned Zwave. What else?


  Tushar 


  On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:


My house used to run purely on Control4 system .. professionally 
installed and quite expensive.  I got sick of $125 service calls for rather 
simple stuff to be done and decided to replace it with a DYI system…. The 
Control4 system with labour and service calls etc set me back around $25k in 
total.



Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested plus my time 
… at most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero headaches …. And no service calls.



The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I did) is 
working with electrical in your house … I replaced outlets and switches for 
example and the zwave stuff I used is much deeper than normal switches – I wish 
now that I had just hired an electrician to mess around with that stuff in 
particular as it’s not something I do every day kind of thing ….



I know someone in my area that does home automation for a living … done 
it for years.  He is very busy … his main clients are folks who have cottages 
and wish to remotely control/monitor their properties especially during times 
they are not visiting it very much …  



Paul







From: Af  on behalf of Joe Novak 

Reply-To: 
Date: Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:13 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation



https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/



Just reading that a little bit may peak your interest in the DIY stuff. 
I am considering setting up a system at home. https://home-assistant.io/ is the 
software I'd like to use to run it.



On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:48 PM, jay weekley  
wrote:

  That's what I was wondering.  I look at the stuff Lowe's and wonder 
how many people have the knowledge to set it all up but I have zero knowledge 
in the products.  Maybe it's time to automate my thermostat. 



  On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Lewis Bergman 
 wrote:

There is so much do it yourself gear out there now I would think 
the only money would be in the very high end stuff. Things you probably have to 
focus as a sole business.



On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:23 AM jay weekley 
 wrote:

  Is there any real money to be made in home automation?  Any 
recurring revenue?  How about headaches and problems?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[Lewis Bergman]

I have a cheap wink at my shop. I have 4 of the commercial owners with myQ
and all the doors have Schlage, I think, door locks.

It comes in pretty handy,  the person who cleans my place had a sub one
Sunday and called me to see if I could let her in. She didn't want to give
them Her code. I could see who was at the door with the camera and unlock
the door.

I'll also say that unlocking and locking the door is faster than with a
key.

On Jan 8, 2017 12:42 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
wrote:

>
> I glanced at the website, some of the stuff looks neat.  I've got a lake
> rental property - it would be nice to use those particular door handles and
> be able to change the codes remotely or change the temp remotely.  The rest
> is not as cool to me.  We already use motion sensor lights, I have no
> desire to see my blinds go up and down automatically depending on what time
> of day it is (after all the days get longer for six months, then get
> shorter for six months), plus in terms of recurring revenue, i don't see it.
>
> Personally I think more money could be made working with an electrician
> and working on alternative forms of energy - not only that does save you
> $$$ over the long haul but you could setup a return visit to check on
> everything at least once a year - maybe twice - and the customer pay for it
> out of the savings from not having to purchase as much utility power.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Tushar Patel 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 8, 2017 12:22 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation
>
> I guess it helps to do more research on the product before asking
> question, my bad.
>
> Zwave has very competitive list of products.
>
>
>
> Tushar
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> I have installed the Honeywell smart thermostats for two way radio
> repeater communication rooms on Franklin mountains .  Emails client when
> temperature varies from his desired levels.   Our summers get toasty so
> that is his main concern... Ice build up on antennas does happen but not
> much you can do about it safely.
>
> On Jan 8, 2017 10:20 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> What he said...
>>
>> *From:* Tushar Patel
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 08, 2017 6:40 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation
>>
>> Do you have part list you used you can share?
>> You mentioned Zwave. What else?
>>
>>
>> Tushar
>>
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>>
>> My house used to run purely on Control4 system .. professionally
>> installed and quite expensive.  I got sick of $125 service calls for rather
>> simple stuff to be done and decided to replace it with a DYI system…. The
>> Control4 system with labour and service calls etc set me back around $25k
>> in total.
>>
>>
>>
>> Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested plus my time …
>> at most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero headaches …. And no service calls.
>>
>>
>>
>> The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I did) is
>> working with electrical in your house … I replaced outlets and switches for
>> example and the zwave stuff I used is much deeper than normal switches – I
>> wish now that I had just hired an electrician to mess around with that
>> stuff in particular as it’s not something I do every day kind of thing ….
>>
>>
>>
>> I know someone in my area that does home automation for a living … done
>> it for years.  He is very busy … his main clients are folks who have
>> cottages and wish to remotely control/monitor their properties especially
>> during times they are not visiting it very much …
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Af  on behalf of Joe Novak <
>> jno...@lrcomm.com>
>> *Reply-To: *
>> *Date: *Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:13 PM
>> *To: *
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/
>>
>>
>>
>> Just reading that a little bit may peak your interest in the DIY stuff. I
>> am considering setting up a system at home. https://home-assistant.io/
>> is the software I'd like to use to run it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:48 PM, jay weekley 
>> wrote:
>>
>> That's what I was wondering.  I look at the stuff Lowe's and wonder how
>> many people have the knowledge to set it all up but I have zero knowledge
>> in the products.  Maybe it's time to automate my thermostat.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> There is so much do it yourself gear out there now I would think the only
>> money would be in the very high end stuff. Things you probably have to
>> focus as a sole business.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:23 AM jay weekley 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Is there any real money to be made in home automation?  Any recurring
>> revenue?  How about headaches and problems?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[Paul Stewart]

If you’re looking for some ideas , check out this blog:  https://thesmarthome.ca

 

 

From: Af  on behalf of Lewis Bergman 

Reply-To: 
Date: Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 2:20 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

I have a cheap wink at my shop. I have 4 of the commercial owners with myQ and 
all the doors have Schlage, I think, door locks. 

 

It comes in pretty handy,  the person who cleans my place had a sub one Sunday 
and called me to see if I could let her in. She didn't want to give them Her 
code. I could see who was at the door with the camera and unlock the door. 

 

I'll also say that unlocking and locking the door is faster than with a key. 

 

On Jan 8, 2017 12:42 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"  wrote:

 

I glanced at the website, some of the stuff looks neat.  I've got a lake rental 
property - it would be nice to use those particular door handles and be able to 
change the codes remotely or change the temp remotely.  The rest is not as cool 
to me.  We already use motion sensor lights, I have no desire to see my blinds 
go up and down automatically depending on what time of day it is (after all the 
days get longer for six months, then get shorter for six months), plus in terms 
of recurring revenue, i don't see it.

 

Personally I think more money could be made working with an electrician and 
working on alternative forms of energy - not only that does save you $$$ over 
the long haul but you could setup a return visit to check on everything at 
least once a year - maybe twice - and the customer pay for it out of the 
savings from not having to purchase as much utility power.

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Tushar Patel 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 12:22 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

I guess it helps to do more research on the product before asking question, my 
bad. 

 

Zwave has very competitive list of products.

 



Tushar 

 


On Jan 8, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:

I have installed the Honeywell smart thermostats for two way radio repeater 
communication rooms on Franklin mountains .  Emails client when temperature 
varies from his desired levels.   Our summers get toasty so that is his main 
concern... Ice build up on antennas does happen but not much you can do about 
it safely.   

 

On Jan 8, 2017 10:20 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

What he said...

 

From: Tushar Patel 

Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 6:40 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

Do you have part list you used you can share?

You mentioned Zwave. What else?



Tushar 

 


On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

My house used to run purely on Control4 system .. professionally installed and 
quite expensive.  I got sick of $125 service calls for rather simple stuff to 
be done and decided to replace it with a DYI system…. The Control4 system with 
labour and service calls etc set me back around $25k in total.

 

Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested plus my time … at 
most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero headaches …. And no service calls.

 

The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I did) is working 
with electrical in your house … I replaced outlets and switches for example and 
the zwave stuff I used is much deeper than normal switches – I wish now that I 
had just hired an electrician to mess around with that stuff in particular as 
it’s not something I do every day kind of thing ….

 

I know someone in my area that does home automation for a living … done it for 
years.  He is very busy … his main clients are folks who have cottages and wish 
to remotely control/monitor their properties especially during times they are 
not visiting it very much …  

 

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af  on behalf of Joe Novak 
Reply-To: 
Date: Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:13 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/

 

Just reading that a little bit may peak your interest in the DIY stuff. I am 
considering setting up a system at home. https://home-assistant.io/ is the 
software I'd like to use to run it.

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:48 PM, jay weekley  wrote:

That's what I was wondering.  I look at the stuff Lowe's and wonder how many 
people have the knowledge to set it all up but I have zero knowledge in the 
products.  Maybe it's time to automate my thermostat. 

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

There is so much do it yourself gear out there now I would think the only money 
would be in the very high end stuff. Things you probably have to focus as a 
sole business.

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:23 AM jay weekley  wrote:

Is there any real money to be made in home automation?  Any recurring revenue?  
How about headaches and problems?

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT in search of 400/230 VAC

[Mark Radabaugh]

I was amused at the fellow students who could tell you anything theoretical 
about inductors and capacitors would be the same kids in power lab who would do 
something stupid like pull a banana plug jumper off of a running DC motor and 
shit themselves when the arc burned the end of the plug off.   

The school had a pair of 10Hp (maybe bigger) motor generator sets along with 
all the controls to allow you to synchronize and parallel the gensets.  So for 
a class we are doing exactly that.  Get done and the professor wants us to 
decouple them.   “Just turn that knob there so that the power factor is back to 
0 first”.   Student looks at the professor weird and the professor says it 
again so he starts cranking the power factor toward 0.   Then it got real noisy 
with some interesting oscillation noises - thought both gensets were coming off 
the stands.  “Wait, Wait - I meant 1, not 0”.

Memorable if nothing else...

Mark 

> On Jan 8, 2017, at 12:52 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> I had drafting and a class called “geometric dimensioning and tolerancing”.  
> I wish I could remember all those symbols because I still run into them on 
> mechanical drawings all the time.  AutoCAD just been invented when I was in 
> school and we used it only for PCB layouts.  
>  
> I made salt water rheostats all the time as a kid.  
>  
> Another class shorted a generator.  It tore itself off its mount and launched 
> across the room.  
>  
> From: Ken Hohhof <>
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 7:40 PM
> To:  <>af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT in search of 400/230 VAC
>  
> Closest I had was “Electromechanical Devices” but nicknamed “Motors”.  The 
> professor with the least seniority got stuck with teaching “Motors Lab”.  
> After the year I took it, they eliminated it as a required course, along with 
> Drafting.  (No, not AutoCAD, the pencil and paper version.)  They had 
> eliminated Surveying as a required course the year before me.
>  
> The guy I had for Motors Lab really, really didn’t want to be there.  His 
> answer to any question was “Let’s find out.”  Student asks, what happens if 
> you open the field coil on a motor?  Let’s find out!  Student asks what 
> happens if you throw a dead short across the output of the generator in a 
> motor-generator pair?  Let’s find out!  That’s also where I was introduced to 
> the water rheostat as a dummy load.
>  
> I suspect Chuck would have volunteered to teach Motors Lab.  But still “Let’s 
> find out!”  And wearing a lab coat.  And safety goggles.
>  <> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
> Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2017 8:18 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT in search of 400/230 VAC
>  
> For my schools BSEE everyone had to take power and the lab.  Most hated it, I 
> actually liked it.   The 'lab final' the professor made us take wasn't his 
> best idea.   Lab was in the basement and I'm taking the second session.  
> Elevator doors open to the basement and the smell of burnt electrical gear is 
> strong.  Professor walks out with a armload of of test equipment headed for 
> the repair shop shaking his head and mumbling 'not a good idea,  bad idea'
> 
> Mark Radabaugh
> Amplex
> 22690 Pemberville Rd
> Luckey, OH 43447
> 419-261-5996
> 
> On Jan 7, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Chuck McCown < <>ch...@wbmfg.com 
> > wrote:
> 
>> In college the only guys that got the 3 phase classes were in the power 
>> engineering track.  I don’t recall a single lecture or homework assignment 
>> about it.  
>>  
>> From: Chuck McCown 
>> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 6:49 PM
>> To:  <>af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT in search of 400/230 VAC
>>  
>> Had to learn me some 3 phase stuff... if going from delta to Y there is 
>> indeed a square root of three applied to the turns ratio.  
>> So if I take a hacksaw to the primary and convert it to a Y, then the 
>> original turns ratio should reappear.  Should
>>  
>> From: Chuck McCown 
>> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 6:05 PM
>> To:  <>af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT in search of 400/230 VAC
>>  
>> OK, last month I tried to use a 240-208 transformer to convert 480 to 400.  
>> Transformer complained and that poor old 480 circuit breaker just would not 
>> cooperate.
>>  
>> So, today I have a 240 to 480 delta to delta.  I rewired the 480 side to Y 
>> by joining all the taps.  
>> Feeding 208 in the 240 side should have given me 416 volts... one would 
>> think.
>>  
>> First try, the transformer made lots of noise the the wires were dancing in 
>> the conduit.  Probably means something is wrong.  So I disconnected the Y 
>> connection and just had three windings on the HV secondary.  But I was 
>> getting 720 volts instead of 400.  Hmmm..
>>  
>> OK, not understanding something here, but it is off by a factor of the 
>> square r

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[Paul Stewart]

Yup re: doors … I did that with a rental years back … every week different code 
and could monitor the property when it wasn’t rented as well including a camera 
in the common area (living room/dining room) which everyone who stayed there 
was fully aware of but my intention was more for security when nobody there … 
had it tied into an Elk alarm system as well (which are awesome alarm systems)

 

 

From: Af  on behalf of CBB - Jay Fuller 

Reply-To: 
Date: Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 1:42 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

 

I glanced at the website, some of the stuff looks neat.  I've got a lake rental 
property - it would be nice to use those particular door handles and be able to 
change the codes remotely or change the temp remotely.  The rest is not as cool 
to me.  We already use motion sensor lights, I have no desire to see my blinds 
go up and down automatically depending on what time of day it is (after all the 
days get longer for six months, then get shorter for six months), plus in terms 
of recurring revenue, i don't see it.

 

Personally I think more money could be made working with an electrician and 
working on alternative forms of energy - not only that does save you $$$ over 
the long haul but you could setup a return visit to check on everything at 
least once a year - maybe twice - and the customer pay for it out of the 
savings from not having to purchase as much utility power.

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Tushar Patel 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 12:22 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

I guess it helps to do more research on the product before asking question, my 
bad. 

 

Zwave has very competitive list of products.

 



Tushar 

 


On Jan 8, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:

I have installed the Honeywell smart thermostats for two way radio repeater 
communication rooms on Franklin mountains .  Emails client when temperature 
varies from his desired levels.   Our summers get toasty so that is his main 
concern... Ice build up on antennas does happen but not much you can do about 
it safely.   

 

On Jan 8, 2017 10:20 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

What he said...

 

From: Tushar Patel 

Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 6:40 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

Do you have part list you used you can share?

You mentioned Zwave. What else?



Tushar 

 


On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

My house used to run purely on Control4 system .. professionally installed and 
quite expensive.  I got sick of $125 service calls for rather simple stuff to 
be done and decided to replace it with a DYI system…. The Control4 system with 
labour and service calls etc set me back around $25k in total.

 

Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested plus my time … at 
most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero headaches …. And no service calls.

 

The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I did) is working 
with electrical in your house … I replaced outlets and switches for example and 
the zwave stuff I used is much deeper than normal switches – I wish now that I 
had just hired an electrician to mess around with that stuff in particular as 
it’s not something I do every day kind of thing ….

 

I know someone in my area that does home automation for a living … done it for 
years.  He is very busy … his main clients are folks who have cottages and wish 
to remotely control/monitor their properties especially during times they are 
not visiting it very much …  

 

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af  on behalf of Joe Novak 
Reply-To: 
Date: Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:13 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/

 

Just reading that a little bit may peak your interest in the DIY stuff. I am 
considering setting up a system at home. https://home-assistant.io/ is the 
software I'd like to use to run it.

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:48 PM, jay weekley  wrote:

That's what I was wondering.  I look at the stuff Lowe's and wonder how many 
people have the knowledge to set it all up but I have zero knowledge in the 
products.  Maybe it's time to automate my thermostat. 

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

There is so much do it yourself gear out there now I would think the only money 
would be in the very high end stuff. Things you probably have to focus as a 
sole business.

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:23 AM jay weekley  wrote:

Is there any real money to be made in home automation?  Any recurring revenue?  
How about headaches and problems?

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[Paul Stewart]

I do most of my shopping at Aartech here in Canada – they are about 35 minutes 
from my house and I can pick up which is nice…. There’s a lot of options in the 
US of course too 

 

https://www.aartech.ca

 

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: 
Date: Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 12:20 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

What he said...

 

From: Tushar Patel 

Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 6:40 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

Do you have part list you used you can share?

You mentioned Zwave. What else?



Tushar 

 


On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

My house used to run purely on Control4 system .. professionally installed and 
quite expensive.  I got sick of $125 service calls for rather simple stuff to 
be done and decided to replace it with a DYI system…. The Control4 system with 
labour and service calls etc set me back around $25k in total.

 

Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested plus my time … at 
most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero headaches …. And no service calls.

 

The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I did) is working 
with electrical in your house … I replaced outlets and switches for example and 
the zwave stuff I used is much deeper than normal switches – I wish now that I 
had just hired an electrician to mess around with that stuff in particular as 
it’s not something I do every day kind of thing ….

 

I know someone in my area that does home automation for a living … done it for 
years.  He is very busy … his main clients are folks who have cottages and wish 
to remotely control/monitor their properties especially during times they are 
not visiting it very much …  

 

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af  on behalf of Joe Novak 
Reply-To: 
Date: Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:13 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/

 

Just reading that a little bit may peak your interest in the DIY stuff. I am 
considering setting up a system at home. https://home-assistant.io/ is the 
software I'd like to use to run it.

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:48 PM, jay weekley  wrote:

That's what I was wondering.  I look at the stuff Lowe's and wonder how many 
people have the knowledge to set it all up but I have zero knowledge in the 
products.  Maybe it's time to automate my thermostat. 

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

There is so much do it yourself gear out there now I would think the only money 
would be in the very high end stuff. Things you probably have to focus as a 
sole business.

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:23 AM jay weekley  wrote:

Is there any real money to be made in home automation?  Any recurring revenue?  
How about headaches and problems?

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[Paul Stewart]

Look at my other posts but in short…

 

Ecobee3 thermostat system with remote sensors deployed on each floor in 
different areas

Zwave vents that are controlled to maintain temperature in different areas of 
the house

Light switches all GE (which do not have instant status option but that’s fine 
for me) including dimmers

Elk alarm system integrated with controller

Controller is Vera

Amazon Echo/Alexa voice control

Weiser touch screen door locks

Water sensor in basement (zwave)

Whole home energy monitor

 

List goes on and one J

 

 

From: Af  on behalf of Tushar Patel 
Reply-To: 
Date: Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 8:40 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

Do you have part list you used you can share?

You mentioned Zwave. What else?



Tushar

 


On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

My house used to run purely on Control4 system .. professionally installed and 
quite expensive.  I got sick of $125 service calls for rather simple stuff to 
be done and decided to replace it with a DYI system…. The Control4 system with 
labour and service calls etc set me back around $25k in total.

 

Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested plus my time … at 
most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero headaches …. And no service calls.

 

The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I did) is working 
with electrical in your house … I replaced outlets and switches for example and 
the zwave stuff I used is much deeper than normal switches – I wish now that I 
had just hired an electrician to mess around with that stuff in particular as 
it’s not something I do every day kind of thing ….

 

I know someone in my area that does home automation for a living … done it for 
years.  He is very busy … his main clients are folks who have cottages and wish 
to remotely control/monitor their properties especially during times they are 
not visiting it very much …  

 

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af  on behalf of Joe Novak 
Reply-To: 
Date: Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:13 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/

 

Just reading that a little bit may peak your interest in the DIY stuff. I am 
considering setting up a system at home. https://home-assistant.io/ is the 
software I'd like to use to run it.

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:48 PM, jay weekley  wrote:

That's what I was wondering.  I look at the stuff Lowe's and wonder how many 
people have the knowledge to set it all up but I have zero knowledge in the 
products.  Maybe it's time to automate my thermostat. 

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

There is so much do it yourself gear out there now I would think the only money 
would be in the very high end stuff. Things you probably have to focus as a 
sole business.

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:23 AM jay weekley  wrote:

Is there any real money to be made in home automation?  Any recurring revenue?  
How about headaches and problems?

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[Ken Hohhof]

I guess I have a DumbHome.

 

And oddly, the things I might want to check remotely don’t seem to be on the 
list.  Like did someone leave the bathroom faucet running or a burner on the 
stove lit.  With  LED lights I don’t obsess that a light might be left on for 8 
hours.  And I don’t need my fridge ordering more eggs from Amazon.

 

The worst DIY home automation item has to be these Ring Doorbells.  For the 
time people spend dealing with their bugs, they could just hire someone to 
house sit and call them when someone is at the door.

 

Now if I could just get the dog to bring in my wife’s paper in the morning.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 2:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

Look at my other posts but in short…

 

Ecobee3 thermostat system with remote sensors deployed on each floor in 
different areas

Zwave vents that are controlled to maintain temperature in different areas of 
the house

Light switches all GE (which do not have instant status option but that’s fine 
for me) including dimmers

Elk alarm system integrated with controller

Controller is Vera

Amazon Echo/Alexa voice control

Weiser touch screen door locks

Water sensor in basement (zwave)

Whole home energy monitor

 

List goes on and one :)

 

 

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of 
Tushar Patel mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com> >
Reply-To: mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 8:40 AM
To: mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

Do you have part list you used you can share?

You mentioned Zwave. What else?



Tushar

 


On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

My house used to run purely on Control4 system .. professionally installed and 
quite expensive.  I got sick of $125 service calls for rather simple stuff to 
be done and decided to replace it with a DYI system…. The Control4 system with 
labour and service calls etc set me back around $25k in total.

 

Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested plus my time … at 
most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero headaches …. And no service calls.

 

The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I did) is working 
with electrical in your house … I replaced outlets and switches for example and 
the zwave stuff I used is much deeper than normal switches – I wish now that I 
had just hired an electrician to mess around with that stuff in particular as 
it’s not something I do every day kind of thing ….

 

I know someone in my area that does home automation for a living … done it for 
years.  He is very busy … his main clients are folks who have cottages and wish 
to remotely control/monitor their properties especially during times they are 
not visiting it very much …  

 

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of Joe 
Novak mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com> >
Reply-To: mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:13 PM
To: mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/

 

Just reading that a little bit may peak your interest in the DIY stuff. I am 
considering setting up a system at home. https://home-assistant.io/ is the 
software I'd like to use to run it.

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:48 PM, jay weekley mailto:iluvbroadb...@gmail.com> > wrote:

That's what I was wondering.  I look at the stuff Lowe's and wonder how many 
people have the knowledge to set it all up but I have zero knowledge in the 
products.  Maybe it's time to automate my thermostat. 

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > wrote:

There is so much do it yourself gear out there now I would think the only money 
would be in the very high end stuff. Things you probably have to focus as a 
sole business.

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:23 AM jay weekley mailto:iluvbroadb...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Is there any real money to be made in home automation?  Any recurring revenue?  
How about headaches and problems?

 

 

[AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

[Ken Hohhof]

Those of you outside the US or with friends and relatives there, is this
just a US thing, that all music is either in the cloud and streamed, or
electronically downloaded to an iPhone/iPod like device?

 

Amazon pretty much killed off the brick-and-mortar record stores, but now I
find that even Amazon doesn't seem too interested in carrying CDs.  They may
have recent releases, but otherwise what you get is other sellers on the
Amazon storefront.  And these other sellers are predominantly in the UK,
followed by Japan and Germany.  Which leads me to believe people in those
countries still buy CDs, maybe at actual record stores.  So is this a
cultural difference?  Or is the trend just hitting Europe and Japan a little
later than here?

 

One thing I miss are the EP singles, not the 2 songs on 7 inch vinyl, more
like 4-5 songs on a CD.  Often these were exclusive for Borders or Barnes &
Noble, or sent out to record stores to promote an upcoming album.  Often
they had bonus tracks or live performances that never made it to the albums.
I still see a few of these for Barnes & Noble but from sellers in the UK,
leading me to  believe that even Barnes & Noble sells more music at their UK
stores than here.

 

How long before physical media for content distribution is totally dead?
Already pretty much true for software and games, plus software seems to be
going to the subscription model (like Office 365 and Adobe Creative Cloud).
I suspect music CDs may not be long for this world, even though vinyl has
made a comeback - how strange.  Will they stop releasing movies on Blu-Ray?
Will they work out DRM so you can buy movies via electronic download, or
will all video be streamed from the cloud?

 

Maybe what I'm missing is that most people today are never without their
phones, so that's the only logical place to have their music.  I'm probably
a dinosaur, sticking a CD in the stereo, or grabbing a handful to play in
the car.

Re: [AFMUG] OT in search of 400/230 VAC

[Chuck McCown]

Power factor of zero... fun.  

I am still pissed off at a teaching assistant that marked an exam answer as 
wrong (only one wrong on that exam).  

The question:  What is Power Factor.   My answer:  The cosine of the phase 
angle.  

I was right then, I am still right.  30+ years has not changed anything.  

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 1:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT in search of 400/230 VAC


I was amused at the fellow students who could tell you anything theoretical 
about inductors and capacitors would be the same kids in power lab who would do 
something stupid like pull a banana plug jumper off of a running DC motor and 
shit themselves when the arc burned the end of the plug off.   

The school had a pair of 10Hp (maybe bigger) motor generator sets along with 
all the controls to allow you to synchronize and parallel the gensets.  So for 
a class we are doing exactly that.  Get done and the professor wants us to 
decouple them.   “Just turn that knob there so that the power factor is back to 
0 first”.   Student looks at the professor weird and the professor says it 
again so he starts cranking the power factor toward 0.   Then it got real noisy 
with some interesting oscillation noises - thought both gensets were coming off 
the stands.  “Wait, Wait - I meant 1, not 0”.

Memorable if nothing else...

Mark 

  On Jan 8, 2017, at 12:52 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I had drafting and a class called “geometric dimensioning and tolerancing”.  
I wish I could remember all those symbols because I still run into them on 
mechanical drawings all the time.  AutoCAD just been invented when I was in 
school and we used it only for PCB layouts.  

  I made salt water rheostats all the time as a kid.  

  Another class shorted a generator.  It tore itself off its mount and launched 
across the room.  

  From: Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 7:40 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT in search of 400/230 VAC

  Closest I had was “Electromechanical Devices” but nicknamed “Motors”.  The 
professor with the least seniority got stuck with teaching “Motors Lab”.  After 
the year I took it, they eliminated it as a required course, along with 
Drafting.  (No, not AutoCAD, the pencil and paper version.)  They had 
eliminated Surveying as a required course the year before me.
   
  The guy I had for Motors Lab really, really didn’t want to be there.  His 
answer to any question was “Let’s find out.”  Student asks, what happens if you 
open the field coil on a motor?  Let’s find out!  Student asks what happens if 
you throw a dead short across the output of the generator in a motor-generator 
pair?  Let’s find out!  That’s also where I was introduced to the water 
rheostat as a dummy load.
   
  I suspect Chuck would have volunteered to teach Motors Lab.  But still “Let’s 
find out!”  And wearing a lab coat.  And safety goggles.
   
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
  Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2017 8:18 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT in search of 400/230 VAC
   
  For my schools BSEE everyone had to take power and the lab.  Most hated it, I 
actually liked it.   The 'lab final' the professor made us take wasn't his best 
idea.   Lab was in the basement and I'm taking the second session.  Elevator 
doors open to the basement and the smell of burnt electrical gear is strong.  
Professor walks out with a armload of of test equipment headed for the repair 
shop shaking his head and mumbling 'not a good idea,  bad idea'

  Mark Radabaugh
  Amplex
  22690 Pemberville Rd
  Luckey, OH 43447
  419-261-5996

  On Jan 7, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

In college the only guys that got the 3 phase classes were in the power 
engineering track.  I don’t recall a single lecture or homework assignment 
about it.  
 
From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 6:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT in search of 400/230 VAC
 
Had to learn me some 3 phase stuff... if going from delta to Y there is 
indeed a square root of three applied to the turns ratio.  
So if I take a hacksaw to the primary and convert it to a Y, then the 
original turns ratio should reappear.  Should
 
From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 6:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT in search of 400/230 VAC
 
OK, last month I tried to use a 240-208 transformer to convert 480 to 400.  
Transformer complained and that poor old 480 circuit breaker just would not 
cooperate.
 
So, today I have a 240 to 480 delta to delta.  I rewired the 480 side to Y 
by joining all the taps.  
Feeding 208 in the 240 side should have given me 416 volts... one would 
think.
 
First try, the transformer made lots of noise the the wires were dancing in 
the conduit.  Probably means something is wrong.  So I disconnected the Y 
connection and just

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[Chuck McCown]

No, get the dog to take out the trash...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 1:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

I guess I have a DumbHome.

 

And oddly, the things I might want to check remotely don’t seem to be on the 
list.  Like did someone leave the bathroom faucet running or a burner on the 
stove lit.  With  LED lights I don’t obsess that a light might be left on for 8 
hours.  And I don’t need my fridge ordering more eggs from Amazon.

 

The worst DIY home automation item has to be these Ring Doorbells.  For the 
time people spend dealing with their bugs, they could just hire someone to 
house sit and call them when someone is at the door.

 

Now if I could just get the dog to bring in my wife’s paper in the morning.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 2:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

Look at my other posts but in short…

 

Ecobee3 thermostat system with remote sensors deployed on each floor in 
different areas

Zwave vents that are controlled to maintain temperature in different areas of 
the house

Light switches all GE (which do not have instant status option but that’s fine 
for me) including dimmers

Elk alarm system integrated with controller

Controller is Vera

Amazon Echo/Alexa voice control

Weiser touch screen door locks

Water sensor in basement (zwave)

Whole home energy monitor

 

List goes on and one J

 

 

From: Af  on behalf of Tushar Patel 
Reply-To: 
Date: Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 8:40 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

Do you have part list you used you can share?

You mentioned Zwave. What else?



Tushar

 


On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

  My house used to run purely on Control4 system .. professionally installed 
and quite expensive.  I got sick of $125 service calls for rather simple stuff 
to be done and decided to replace it with a DYI system…. The Control4 system 
with labour and service calls etc set me back around $25k in total.

   

  Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested plus my time … at 
most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero headaches …. And no service calls.

   

  The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I did) is 
working with electrical in your house … I replaced outlets and switches for 
example and the zwave stuff I used is much deeper than normal switches – I wish 
now that I had just hired an electrician to mess around with that stuff in 
particular as it’s not something I do every day kind of thing ….

   

  I know someone in my area that does home automation for a living … done it 
for years.  He is very busy … his main clients are folks who have cottages and 
wish to remotely control/monitor their properties especially during times they 
are not visiting it very much …  

   

  Paul

   

   

   

  From: Af  on behalf of Joe Novak 
  Reply-To: 
  Date: Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:13 PM
  To: 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

   

  https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/

   

  Just reading that a little bit may peak your interest in the DIY stuff. I am 
considering setting up a system at home. https://home-assistant.io/ is the 
software I'd like to use to run it.

   

  On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:48 PM, jay weekley  wrote:

That's what I was wondering.  I look at the stuff Lowe's and wonder how 
many people have the knowledge to set it all up but I have zero knowledge in 
the products.  Maybe it's time to automate my thermostat. 

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Lewis Bergman  
wrote:

  There is so much do it yourself gear out there now I would think the only 
money would be in the very high end stuff. Things you probably have to focus as 
a sole business.

   

  On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:23 AM jay weekley  
wrote:

Is there any real money to be made in home automation?  Any recurring 
revenue?  How about headaches and problems?

 

   

Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

[Chuck McCown]

I like CDs, newspapers and magazines.  I have switched to online newspapers.  I 
still miss the big sunday with the color comics.  But I don’t miss the mess.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 2:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

Those of you outside the US or with friends and relatives there, is this just a 
US thing, that all music is either in the cloud and streamed, or electronically 
downloaded to an iPhone/iPod like device?

 

Amazon pretty much killed off the brick-and-mortar record stores, but now I 
find that even Amazon doesn’t seem too interested in carrying CDs.  They may 
have recent releases, but otherwise what you get is other sellers on the Amazon 
storefront.  And these other sellers are predominantly in the UK, followed by 
Japan and Germany.  Which leads me to believe people in those countries still 
buy CDs, maybe at actual record stores.  So is this a cultural difference?  Or 
is the trend just hitting Europe and Japan a little later than here?

 

One thing I miss are the EP singles, not the 2 songs on 7 inch vinyl, more like 
4-5 songs on a CD.  Often these were exclusive for Borders or Barnes & Noble, 
or sent out to record stores to promote an upcoming album.  Often they had 
bonus tracks or live performances that never made it to the albums.  I still 
see a few of these for Barnes & Noble but from sellers in the UK, leading me to 
 believe that even Barnes & Noble sells more music at their UK stores than here.

 

How long before physical media for content distribution is totally dead?  
Already pretty much true for software and games, plus software seems to be 
going to the subscription model (like Office 365 and Adobe Creative Cloud).  I 
suspect music CDs may not be long for this world, even though vinyl has made a 
comeback – how strange.  Will they stop releasing movies on Blu-Ray?  Will they 
work out DRM so you can buy movies via electronic download, or will all video 
be streamed from the cloud?

 

Maybe what I’m missing is that most people today are never without their 
phones, so that’s the only logical place to have their music.  I’m probably a 
dinosaur, sticking a CD in the stereo, or grabbing a handful to play in the car.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP10 firmware

[Jon Langeler]

What version are you on?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jan 8, 2017, at 10:29 AM, Erich Kaiser  wrote:
> 
> Anyone willing to send me latest Ceragon IP10C Firmware, please hit me 
> offilist.  We have a bug in current software where traffic stops passing on 
> the remote end and it requires a CLI remote reboot in order for it to start 
> passing traffic again.
> 
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
> 

[AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[Chuck McCown]

I like the captions.  I can sit here with kids and grandkids with prairie home 
companion playing and still watch a show with really decent caption text.  

Playing past episodes of shows is till dicey.  I will go to Roku for that for 
now.  I tried playing some episodes of The Profit several times only to have 
them quit in the  middle.  I like the video quality of the apple TV, but it 
still pauses now and then on live TV.  Being an early adopter I have patience.  
But it better be better than Roku/Playstation VUE in a year or it is history.  

DirectTV Now has the best guide.  On the PC it kills the show you are watching 
while looking at the guile.  On the AppleTV  it has the show playing behind  
the guide.  

I still go to Sling and then, but not sure I need it for anything.  I may have 
my HBO accounts coupled to it.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

[Josh Reynolds]

My teenage son just decided he's going to take a cd player and cds
with him. I was curious if it was 1990 again.

That said, vinyl outsold digital downloads for the first time
recently. A lot of artists have gotten into pressing their own, adding
various colors, etc.

https://www.google.com/search?q=colored+vinyl+albums&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwik7_qBybPRAhWRZiYKHY5QB4cQ_AUICSgC&biw=1536&bih=744

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> Those of you outside the US or with friends and relatives there, is this
> just a US thing, that all music is either in the cloud and streamed, or
> electronically downloaded to an iPhone/iPod like device?
>
>
>
> Amazon pretty much killed off the brick-and-mortar record stores, but now I
> find that even Amazon doesn’t seem too interested in carrying CDs.  They may
> have recent releases, but otherwise what you get is other sellers on the
> Amazon storefront.  And these other sellers are predominantly in the UK,
> followed by Japan and Germany.  Which leads me to believe people in those
> countries still buy CDs, maybe at actual record stores.  So is this a
> cultural difference?  Or is the trend just hitting Europe and Japan a little
> later than here?
>
>
>
> One thing I miss are the EP singles, not the 2 songs on 7 inch vinyl, more
> like 4-5 songs on a CD.  Often these were exclusive for Borders or Barnes &
> Noble, or sent out to record stores to promote an upcoming album.  Often
> they had bonus tracks or live performances that never made it to the albums.
> I still see a few of these for Barnes & Noble but from sellers in the UK,
> leading me to  believe that even Barnes & Noble sells more music at their UK
> stores than here.
>
>
>
> How long before physical media for content distribution is totally dead?
> Already pretty much true for software and games, plus software seems to be
> going to the subscription model (like Office 365 and Adobe Creative Cloud).
> I suspect music CDs may not be long for this world, even though vinyl has
> made a comeback – how strange.  Will they stop releasing movies on Blu-Ray?
> Will they work out DRM so you can buy movies via electronic download, or
> will all video be streamed from the cloud?
>
>
>
> Maybe what I’m missing is that most people today are never without their
> phones, so that’s the only logical place to have their music.  I’m probably
> a dinosaur, sticking a CD in the stereo, or grabbing a handful to play in
> the car.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

[Bill Prince]

It may be dead, but then it might come back too; just like vinyl. OTOH, 
maybe we are finding we want "music", but we don't really want to 
"listen". People with good ears can tell the difference between MP3, CD, 
hi-res audio (24-bit and/or flac), and vinyl. I can sometimes tell the 
difference, but most of the time I'm not concentrating on the music. 
Most of the time, I'm just looking for the mood.


This sums it up nicely: 
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/21/mp3-cd-24-bit-audio-music-hi-res



bp


On 1/8/2017 1:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Those of you outside the US or with friends and relatives there, is 
this just a US thing, that all music is either in the cloud and 
streamed, or electronically downloaded to an iPhone/iPod like device?


Amazon pretty much killed off the brick-and-mortar record stores, but 
now I find that even Amazon doesn�t seem too interested in carrying 
CDs.  They may have recent releases, but otherwise what you get is 
other sellers on the Amazon storefront.  And these other sellers are 
predominantly in the UK, followed by Japan and Germany.  Which leads 
me to believe people in those countries still buy CDs, maybe at actual 
record stores.  So is this a cultural difference?  Or is the trend 
just hitting Europe and Japan a little later than here?


One thing I miss are the EP singles, not the 2 songs on 7 inch vinyl, 
more like 4-5 songs on a CD. Often these were exclusive for Borders or 
Barnes & Noble, or sent out to record stores to promote an upcoming 
album. Often they had bonus tracks or live performances that never 
made it to the albums.  I still see a few of these for Barnes & Noble 
but from sellers in the UK, leading me to  believe that even Barnes & 
Noble sells more music at their UK stores than here.


How long before physical media for content distribution is totally 
dead?  Already pretty much true for software and games, plus software 
seems to be going to the subscription model (like Office 365 and Adobe 
Creative Cloud).  I suspect music CDs may not be long for this world, 
even though vinyl has made a comeback � how strange.  Will they stop 
releasing movies on Blu-Ray?  Will they work out DRM so you can buy 
movies via electronic download, or will all video be streamed from the 
cloud?


Maybe what I�m missing is that most people today are never without 
their phones, so that�s the only logical place to have their music.  
I�m probably a dinosaur, sticking a CD in the stereo, or grabbing a 
handful to play in the car.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[Ken Hohhof]

Did I read the price was going from $35 to $60 on Jan. 9?  Are you
grandfathered?  I don't see how they can charge $60, seems like >= $50 would
be the third rail for OTT pricing.  Especially since you probably need 1 or
2 more subscriptions to have enough content to cut the cord.

 

Also, still no CBS?

 

Do you plan to try the new Hulu offering when it comes out?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

 

I like the captions.  I can sit here with kids and grandkids with prairie
home companion playing and still watch a show with really decent caption
text.  

 

Playing past episodes of shows is till dicey.  I will go to Roku for that
for now.  I tried playing some episodes of The Profit several times only to
have them quit in the  middle.  I like the video quality of the apple TV,
but it still pauses now and then on live TV.  Being an early adopter I have
patience.  But it better be better than Roku/Playstation VUE in a year or it
is history.  

 

DirectTV Now has the best guide.  On the PC it kills the show you are
watching while looking at the guile.  On the AppleTV  it has the show
playing behind  the guide.  

 

I still go to Sling and then, but not sure I need it for anything.  I may
have my HBO accounts coupled to it.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Audiophiles are going to be a valuable niche market. I recently threw all
my cds and dvds away for the sake of space, it's faster half the time to
download a movie or album than to find it on the shelf. I did keep a could
Paul oakenfold cds for the cars until we cycle vehicles, since even stock
radios come with an input or Bluetooth now

On Jan 8, 2017 4:19 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> It may be dead, but then it might come back too; just like vinyl. OTOH,
> maybe we are finding we want "music", but we don't really want to "listen".
> People with good ears can tell the difference between MP3, CD, hi-res audio
> (24-bit and/or flac), and vinyl. I can sometimes tell the difference, but
> most of the time I'm not concentrating on the music. Most of the time, I'm
> just looking for the mood.
>
> This sums it up nicely: https://www.theguardian.com/
> technology/2014/aug/21/mp3-cd-24-bit-audio-music-hi-res
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/8/2017 1:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Those of you outside the US or with friends and relatives there, is this
> just a US thing, that all music is either in the cloud and streamed, or
> electronically downloaded to an iPhone/iPod like device?
>
> �
>
> Amazon pretty much killed off the brick-and-mortar record stores, but now
> I find that even Amazon doesn�t seem too interested in carrying CDs.�
> They may have recent releases, but otherwise what you get is other sellers
> on the Amazon storefront.� And these other sellers are predominantly in
> the UK, followed by Japan and Germany.� Which leads me to believe people
> in those countries still buy CDs, maybe at actual record stores.� So is
> this a cultural difference?� Or is the trend just hitting Europe and
> Japan a little later than here?
>
> �
>
> One thing I miss are the EP singles, not the 2 songs on 7 inch vinyl, more
> like 4-5 songs on a CD.� Often these were exclusive for Borders or Barnes
> & Noble, or sent out to record stores to promote an upcoming album.�
> Often they had bonus tracks or live performances that never made it to the
> albums.� I still see a few of these for Barnes & Noble but from sellers
> in the UK, leading me to� believe that even Barnes & Noble sells more
> music at their UK stores than here.
>
> �
>
> How long before physical media for content distribution is totally
> dead?� Already pretty much true for software and games, plus software
> seems to be going to the subscription model (like Office 365 and Adobe
> Creative Cloud).� I suspect music CDs may not be long for this world,
> even though vinyl has made a comeback � how strange.� Will they stop
> releasing movies on Blu-Ray?� Will they work out DRM so you can buy
> movies via electronic download, or will all video be streamed from the
> cloud?
>
> �
>
> Maybe what I�m missing is that most people today are never without their
> phones, so that�s the only logical place to have their music.� I�m
> probably a dinosaur, sticking a CD in the stereo, or grabbing a handful to
> play in the car.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

[Josh Reynolds]

Holy crap I haven't listened to Oakenfold since 2001. Just looked him up
and he's still making stuff. He was really the first huge breakout
worldwide star from that genre.

On Jan 8, 2017 4:38 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> Audiophiles are going to be a valuable niche market. I recently threw all
> my cds and dvds away for the sake of space, it's faster half the time to
> download a movie or album than to find it on the shelf. I did keep a could
> Paul oakenfold cds for the cars until we cycle vehicles, since even stock
> radios come with an input or Bluetooth now
>
> On Jan 8, 2017 4:19 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>> It may be dead, but then it might come back too; just like vinyl. OTOH,
>> maybe we are finding we want "music", but we don't really want to "listen".
>> People with good ears can tell the difference between MP3, CD, hi-res audio
>> (24-bit and/or flac), and vinyl. I can sometimes tell the difference, but
>> most of the time I'm not concentrating on the music. Most of the time, I'm
>> just looking for the mood.
>>
>> This sums it up nicely: https://www.theguardian.com/te
>> chnology/2014/aug/21/mp3-cd-24-bit-audio-music-hi-res
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 1/8/2017 1:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Those of you outside the US or with friends and relatives there, is this
>> just a US thing, that all music is either in the cloud and streamed, or
>> electronically downloaded to an iPhone/iPod like device?
>>
>> �
>>
>> Amazon pretty much killed off the brick-and-mortar record stores, but now
>> I find that even Amazon doesn�t seem too interested in carrying CDs.�
>> They may have recent releases, but otherwise what you get is other sellers
>> on the Amazon storefront.� And these other sellers are predominantly in
>> the UK, followed by Japan and Germany.� Which leads me to believe people
>> in those countries still buy CDs, maybe at actual record stores.� So is
>> this a cultural difference?� Or is the trend just hitting Europe and
>> Japan a little later than here?
>>
>> �
>>
>> One thing I miss are the EP singles, not the 2 songs on 7 inch vinyl,
>> more like 4-5 songs on a CD.� Often these were exclusive for Borders or
>> Barnes & Noble, or sent out to record stores to promote an upcoming
>> album.� Often they had bonus tracks or live performances that never made
>> it to the albums.� I still see a few of these for Barnes & Noble but from
>> sellers in the UK, leading me to� believe that even Barnes & Noble sells
>> more music at their UK stores than here.
>>
>> �
>>
>> How long before physical media for content distribution is totally
>> dead?� Already pretty much true for software and games, plus software
>> seems to be going to the subscription model (like Office 365 and Adobe
>> Creative Cloud).� I suspect music CDs may not be long for this world,
>> even though vinyl has made a comeback � how strange.� Will they stop
>> releasing movies on Blu-Ray?� Will they work out DRM so you can buy
>> movies via electronic download, or will all video be streamed from the
>> cloud?
>>
>> �
>>
>> Maybe what I�m missing is that most people today are never without
>> their phones, so that�s the only logical place to have their music.�
>> I�m probably a dinosaur, sticking a CD in the stereo, or grabbing a
>> handful to play in the car.
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

[Ken Hohhof]

I also wonder about home theater sound.  People have the 60 and 70 inch
screens, maybe they have a Dolby or DTS 5.1/6.1/7.1 capable sound system,
but do any of the streaming services deliver the audio to drive those?  Or
is it just stereo, I think so.  But nobody seems to care enough to watch it
on Blu-Ray.

 

Apollo 13 was on TV today.  Great movie, never get tired of watching it.
But I’d like to watch it with Dolby HD sound.  Maybe I can go to Chuck’s
house, I seem to remember he has an actual Home Theater, like Howard Hughes.

 

Oh, and have you been reading the reviews from CES of the superthin OLED TV
screens with the electronics in a separate box?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 4:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

 

It may be dead, but then it might come back too; just like vinyl. OTOH,
maybe we are finding we want "music", but we don't really want to "listen".
People with good ears can tell the difference between MP3, CD, hi-res audio
(24-bit and/or flac), and vinyl. I can sometimes tell the difference, but
most of the time I'm not concentrating on the music. Most of the time, I'm
just looking for the mood.

This sums it up nicely:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/21/mp3-cd-24-bit-audio-music
-hi-res

 

bp

 

On 1/8/2017 1:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Those of you outside the US or with friends and relatives there, is this
just a US thing, that all music is either in the cloud and streamed, or
electronically downloaded to an iPhone/iPod like device?

�

Amazon pretty much killed off the brick-and-mortar record stores, but now I
find that even Amazon doesn�t seem too interested in carrying CDs.� They
may have recent releases, but otherwise what you get is other sellers on the
Amazon storefront.� And these other sellers are predominantly in the UK,
followed by Japan and Germany.� Which leads me to believe people in those
countries still buy CDs, maybe at actual record stores.� So is this a
cultural difference?� Or is the trend just hitting Europe and Japan a
little later than here?

�

One thing I miss are the EP singles, not the 2 songs on 7 inch vinyl, more
like 4-5 songs on a CD.� Often these were exclusive for Borders or Barnes
& Noble, or sent out to record stores to promote an upcoming album.� Often
they had bonus tracks or live performances that never made it to the
albums.� I still see a few of these for Barnes & Noble but from sellers in
the UK, leading me to� believe that even Barnes & Noble sells more music
at their UK stores than here.

�

How long before physical media for content distribution is totally dead?�
Already pretty much true for software and games, plus software seems to be
going to the subscription model (like Office 365 and Adobe Creative
Cloud).� I suspect music CDs may not be long for this world, even though
vinyl has made a comeback � how strange.� Will they stop releasing
movies on Blu-Ray?� Will they work out DRM so you can buy movies via
electronic download, or will all video be streamed from the cloud?

�

Maybe what I�m missing is that most people today are never without their
phones, so that�s the only logical place to have their music.� I�m
probably a dinosaur, sticking a CD in the stereo, or grabbing a handful to
play in the car.

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

[Bill Prince]

On 1/8/2017 2:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


But nobody seems to care enough to watch it on Blu-Ray.



What I don't get is why they are still trying to extract a premium for 
Blu-Ray versus standard DVD. The players don't really cost any more, and 
I'm betting that the media doesn't really cost any more; especially if 
they only made Blu-Ray. Maybe physical media started dying before 
Blu-Ray took hold, and now they expect that we will just stream everything.


On 1/8/2017 2:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Oh, and have you been reading the reviews from CES of the superthin 
OLED TV screens with the electronics in a separate box?


Yeah. Saw those. The one from LG has a "W" in the model designation; 
they say it stands for Wallpaper. The whole freaking thing is only 1/8" 
thick. Paste it to the wall.


Separate box(es) for the speakers too.

bp

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[Chuck McCown]

The $35 plan was giving you the channels of the $60 plan.  I think I am 
grandfathered in.  
I plan to try them all as they come out.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 3:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Did I read the price was going from $35 to $60 on Jan. 9?  Are you 
grandfathered?  I don’t see how they can charge $60, seems like >= $50 would be 
the third rail for OTT pricing.  Especially since you probably need 1 or 2 more 
subscriptions to have enough content to cut the cord.

 

Also, still no CBS?

 

Do you plan to try the new Hulu offering when it comes out?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

 

I like the captions.  I can sit here with kids and grandkids with prairie home 
companion playing and still watch a show with really decent caption text.  

 

Playing past episodes of shows is till dicey.  I will go to Roku for that for 
now.  I tried playing some episodes of The Profit several times only to have 
them quit in the  middle.  I like the video quality of the apple TV, but it 
still pauses now and then on live TV.  Being an early adopter I have patience.  
But it better be better than Roku/Playstation VUE in a year or it is history.  

 

DirectTV Now has the best guide.  On the PC it kills the show you are watching 
while looking at the guile.  On the AppleTV  it has the show playing behind  
the guide.  

 

I still go to Sling and then, but not sure I need it for anything.  I may have 
my HBO accounts coupled to it.  

[AFMUG] Home RG routers -

[Chuck McCown]

My Calix 844E is OK, but the RF seems weak.  

Might need upgrading  but I have lost he password.  The factory password does 
not work.  May have to default it.  

I can see a neighbors router that lives about 1000 feet from me.  Wonder if he 
can see all my routers.

Any recommendations for routers?  Anything new out there that is really 
asskicking?

Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

[Ken Hohhof]

https://www.cnet.com/news/ces-2017-its-a-wi-fi-system-war-and-youre-the-winn
er/

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 5:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

 

My Calix 844E is OK, but the RF seems weak.  

 

Might need upgrading  but I have lost he password.  The factory password
does not work.  May have to default it.  

 

I can see a neighbors router that lives about 1000 feet from me.  Wonder if
he can see all my routers.

 

Any recommendations for routers?  Anything new out there that is really
asskicking?

Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

[Jaime Solorza]

UniFi works for me very well...

On Jan 8, 2017 4:43 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> My Calix 844E is OK, but the RF seems weak.
>
> Might need upgrading  but I have lost he password.  The factory password
> does not work.  May have to default it.
>
> I can see a neighbors router that lives about 1000 feet from me.  Wonder
> if he can see all my routers.
>
> Any recommendations for routers?  Anything new out there that is really
> asskicking?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

[Joe Novak]

Unifi also works well for me.

I saw similar problems with the 844E here. It didn't cover my house well
when in the basement. I had to move it to a more central location and even
then had hiccups with DLNA streaming on 5ghz. I wasn't running the latest
firmware, I've been meaning to try it again.

All because I'm too lazy to run coax to my bedroom...

On Jan 8, 2017 6:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> UniFi works for me very well...
>
> On Jan 8, 2017 4:43 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> My Calix 844E is OK, but the RF seems weak.
>>
>> Might need upgrading  but I have lost he password.  The factory password
>> does not work.  May have to default it.
>>
>> I can see a neighbors router that lives about 1000 feet from me.  Wonder
>> if he can see all my routers.
>>
>> Any recommendations for routers?  Anything new out there that is really
>> asskicking?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Only a week till the new season of Homeland.  I understand the first ep of the 
new season has already aired
  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 3:59 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now


  I like the captions.  I can sit here with kids and grandkids with prairie 
home companion playing and still watch a show with really decent caption text.  

  Playing past episodes of shows is till dicey.  I will go to Roku for that for 
now.  I tried playing some episodes of The Profit several times only to have 
them quit in the  middle.  I like the video quality of the apple TV, but it 
still pauses now and then on live TV.  Being an early adopter I have patience.  
But it better be better than Roku/Playstation VUE in a year or it is history.  

  DirectTV Now has the best guide.  On the PC it kills the show you are 
watching while looking at the guile.  On the AppleTV  it has the show playing 
behind  the guide.  

  I still go to Sling and then, but not sure I need it for anything.  I may 
have my HBO accounts coupled to it.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Now owning and operating a radio station for nearly three years (we'll be three 
years old in April), I'm always amused when I hear that.  But now that I hear a 
song on say SiriusXM, and actually on the radio - I can certainly tell the 
difference.  I'd call it the depth

  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Prince 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 4:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?


  It may be dead, but then it might come back too; just like vinyl. OTOH, maybe 
we are finding we want "music", but we don't really want to "listen". People 
with good ears can tell the difference between MP3, CD, hi-res audio (24-bit 
and/or flac), and vinyl. I can sometimes tell the difference, but most of the 
time I'm not concentrating on the music. Most of the time, I'm just looking for 
the mood.

  This sums it up nicely: 
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/21/mp3-cd-24-bit-audio-music-hi-res





bp


On 1/8/2017 1:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Those of you outside the US or with friends and relatives there, is this 
just a US thing, that all music is either in the cloud and streamed, or 
electronically downloaded to an iPhone/iPod like device?

�

Amazon pretty much killed off the brick-and-mortar record stores, but now I 
find that even Amazon doesn�t seem too interested in carrying CDs.� They 
may have recent releases, but otherwise what you get is other sellers on the 
Amazon storefront.� And these other sellers are predominantly in the UK, 
followed by Japan and Germany.� Which leads me to believe people in those 
countries still buy CDs, maybe at actual record stores.� So is this a 
cultural difference?� Or is the trend just hitting Europe and Japan a little 
later than here?

�

One thing I miss are the EP singles, not the 2 songs on 7 inch vinyl, more 
like 4-5 songs on a CD.� Often these were exclusive for Borders or Barnes & 
Noble, or sent out to record stores to promote an upcoming album.� Often they 
had bonus tracks or live performances that never made it to the albums.� I 
still see a few of these for Barnes & Noble but from sellers in the UK, leading 
me to� believe that even Barnes & Noble sells more music at their UK stores 
than here.

�

How long before physical media for content distribution is totally dead?� 
Already pretty much true for software and games, plus software seems to be 
going to the subscription model (like Office 365 and Adobe Creative Cloud).� 
I suspect music CDs may not be long for this world, even though vinyl has made 
a comeback � how strange.� Will they stop releasing movies on Blu-Ray?� 
Will they work out DRM so you can buy movies via electronic download, or will 
all video be streamed from the cloud?

�

Maybe what I�m missing is that most people today are never without their 
phones, so that�s the only logical place to have their music.� I�m 
probably a dinosaur, sticking a CD in the stereo, or grabbing a handful to play 
in the car.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I am sure CBS will go their own way when all access comes out...um, it's 
already out, ok when the new trek comes out

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ken Hohhof 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 4:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now


  Did I read the price was going from $35 to $60 on Jan. 9?  Are you 
grandfathered?  I don't see how they can charge $60, seems like >= $50 would be 
the third rail for OTT pricing.  Especially since you probably need 1 or 2 more 
subscriptions to have enough content to cut the cord.

   

  Also, still no CBS?

   

  Do you plan to try the new Hulu offering when it comes out?

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 3:59 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

   

  I like the captions.  I can sit here with kids and grandkids with prairie 
home companion playing and still watch a show with really decent caption text.  

   

  Playing past episodes of shows is till dicey.  I will go to Roku for that for 
now.  I tried playing some episodes of The Profit several times only to have 
them quit in the  middle.  I like the video quality of the apple TV, but it 
still pauses now and then on live TV.  Being an early adopter I have patience.  
But it better be better than Roku/Playstation VUE in a year or it is history.  

   

  DirectTV Now has the best guide.  On the PC it kills the show you are 
watching while looking at the guile.  On the AppleTV  it has the show playing 
behind  the guide.  

   

  I still go to Sling and then, but not sure I need it for anything.  I may 
have my HBO accounts coupled to it.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I pretty much have a home theatre - projector, the 20 foot wall, the whole nine 
yards.  When I stream from netflix the audio is in full 5.1
I just got a 7.1 system for Christmas (not that I needed it - apparently I am 
becoming difficult to buy for, sorry mom).  It is still in the box downstairs - 
I might get around to buying speakers and hooking it up next Christmas

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ken Hohhof 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 4:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?


  I also wonder about home theater sound.  People have the 60 and 70 inch 
screens, maybe they have a Dolby or DTS 5.1/6.1/7.1 capable sound system, but 
do any of the streaming services deliver the audio to drive those?  Or is it 
just stereo, I think so.  But nobody seems to care enough to watch it on 
Blu-Ray.

   

  Apollo 13 was on TV today.  Great movie, never get tired of watching it.  But 
I'd like to watch it with Dolby HD sound.  Maybe I can go to Chuck's house, I 
seem to remember he has an actual Home Theater, like Howard Hughes.

   

  Oh, and have you been reading the reviews from CES of the superthin OLED TV 
screens with the electronics in a separate box?

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 4:19 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

   

  It may be dead, but then it might come back too; just like vinyl. OTOH, maybe 
we are finding we want "music", but we don't really want to "listen". People 
with good ears can tell the difference between MP3, CD, hi-res audio (24-bit 
and/or flac), and vinyl. I can sometimes tell the difference, but most of the 
time I'm not concentrating on the music. Most of the time, I'm just looking for 
the mood.

  This sums it up nicely: 
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/21/mp3-cd-24-bit-audio-music-hi-res

   

bp On 1/8/2017 1:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Those of you outside the US or with friends and relatives there, is this 
just a US thing, that all music is either in the cloud and streamed, or 
electronically downloaded to an iPhone/iPod like device?

�

Amazon pretty much killed off the brick-and-mortar record stores, but now I 
find that even Amazon doesn�t seem too interested in carrying CDs.� They 
may have recent releases, but otherwise what you get is other sellers on the 
Amazon storefront.� And these other sellers are predominantly in the UK, 
followed by Japan and Germany.� Which leads me to believe people in those 
countries still buy CDs, maybe at actual record stores.� So is this a 
cultural difference?� Or is the trend just hitting Europe and Japan a little 
later than here?

�

One thing I miss are the EP singles, not the 2 songs on 7 inch vinyl, more 
like 4-5 songs on a CD.� Often these were exclusive for Borders or Barnes & 
Noble, or sent out to record stores to promote an upcoming album.� Often they 
had bonus tracks or live performances that never made it to the albums.� I 
still see a few of these for Barnes & Noble but from sellers in the UK, leading 
me to� believe that even Barnes & Noble sells more music at their UK stores 
than here.

�

How long before physical media for content distribution is totally dead?� 
Already pretty much true for software and games, plus software seems to be 
going to the subscription model (like Office 365 and Adobe Creative Cloud).� 
I suspect music CDs may not be long for this world, even though vinyl has made 
a comeback � how strange.� Will they stop releasing movies on Blu-Ray?� 
Will they work out DRM so you can buy movies via electronic download, or will 
all video be streamed from the cloud?

�

Maybe what I�m missing is that most people today are never without their 
phones, so that�s the only logical place to have their music.� I�m 
probably a dinosaur, sticking a CD in the stereo, or grabbing a handful to play 
in the car.

   

Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

[Paul Stewart]

Most of them are 5.1 … almost everthing I watch (Netflix, satellite TV etc) is 
5.1 – I have a full blown home theatre as I really enjoy movies, however I only 
see very limited benefit to 7.1/7.2/9.1/9.2/Atmos etc … although I never 
thought 4K TV would ever take off and I think it’s finally getting a lot more 
traction recently – about the only thing I haven’t upgraded in past while is to 
4K TV (everything I have supports it except TV’s)

 

 

From: Af  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
Reply-To: 
Date: Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 5:45 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

 

I also wonder about home theater sound.  People have the 60 and 70 inch 
screens, maybe they have a Dolby or DTS 5.1/6.1/7.1 capable sound system, but 
do any of the streaming services deliver the audio to drive those?  Or is it 
just stereo, I think so.  But nobody seems to care enough to watch it on 
Blu-Ray.

 

Apollo 13 was on TV today.  Great movie, never get tired of watching it.  But 
I’d like to watch it with Dolby HD sound.  Maybe I can go to Chuck’s house, I 
seem to remember he has an actual Home Theater, like Howard Hughes.

 

Oh, and have you been reading the reviews from CES of the superthin OLED TV 
screens with the electronics in a separate box?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 4:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

 

It may be dead, but then it might come back too; just like vinyl. OTOH, maybe 
we are finding we want "music", but we don't really want to "listen". People 
with good ears can tell the difference between MP3, CD, hi-res audio (24-bit 
and/or flac), and vinyl. I can sometimes tell the difference, but most of the 
time I'm not concentrating on the music. Most of the time, I'm just looking for 
the mood.

This sums it up nicely: 
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/21/mp3-cd-24-bit-audio-music-hi-res

 
bp

 
On 1/8/2017 1:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Those of you outside the US or with friends and relatives there, is this just a 
US thing, that all music is either in the cloud and streamed, or electronically 
downloaded to an iPhone/iPod like device?

�

Amazon pretty much killed off the brick-and-mortar record stores, but now I 
find that even Amazon doesn�t seem too interested in carrying CDs.� They 
may have recent releases, but otherwise what you get is other sellers on the 
Amazon storefront.� And these other sellers are predominantly in the UK, 
followed by Japan and Germany.� Which leads me to believe people in those 
countries still buy CDs, maybe at actual record stores.� So is this a 
cultural difference?� Or is the trend just hitting Europe and Japan a little 
later than here?

�

One thing I miss are the EP singles, not the 2 songs on 7 inch vinyl, more like 
4-5 songs on a CD.� Often these were exclusive for Borders or Barnes & Noble, 
or sent out to record stores to promote an upcoming album.� Often they had 
bonus tracks or live performances that never made it to the albums.� I still 
see a few of these for Barnes & Noble but from sellers in the UK, leading me 
to� believe that even Barnes & Noble sells more music at their UK stores than 
here.

�

How long before physical media for content distribution is totally dead?� 
Already pretty much true for software and games, plus software seems to be 
going to the subscription model (like Office 365 and Adobe Creative Cloud).� 
I suspect music CDs may not be long for this world, even though vinyl has made 
a comeback � how strange.� Will they stop releasing movies on Blu-Ray?� 
Will they work out DRM so you can buy movies via electronic download, or will 
all video be streamed from the cloud?

�

Maybe what I�m missing is that most people today are never without their 
phones, so that�s the only logical place to have their music.� I�m 
probably a dinosaur, sticking a CD in the stereo, or grabbing a handful to play 
in the car.

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[Paul Stewart]

Hehe… there are faucets that you can make “smart” now as well – last I looked 
they were extremely expensive though.

 

For practical stuff, I really like to know when bathroom lights are left on for 
extended periods of time by kids … when the garage door is left open at night 
etc…. especially with the price of electricity here (even with LED lighting) … 

 

Also, when nobody is home for periods of time I’ll get an alert when lights are 
left on … my hot water tank is connected – it stops heating the water when 
nobody is going to be around …

 

Paul

 

 

From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: 
Date: Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 4:20 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

No, get the dog to take out the trash...

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 1:53 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

I guess I have a DumbHome.

 

And oddly, the things I might want to check remotely don’t seem to be on the 
list.  Like did someone leave the bathroom faucet running or a burner on the 
stove lit.  With  LED lights I don’t obsess that a light might be left on for 8 
hours.  And I don’t need my fridge ordering more eggs from Amazon.

 

The worst DIY home automation item has to be these Ring Doorbells.  For the 
time people spend dealing with their bugs, they could just hire someone to 
house sit and call them when someone is at the door.

 

Now if I could just get the dog to bring in my wife’s paper in the morning.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 2:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

Look at my other posts but in short…

 

Ecobee3 thermostat system with remote sensors deployed on each floor in 
different areas

Zwave vents that are controlled to maintain temperature in different areas of 
the house

Light switches all GE (which do not have instant status option but that’s fine 
for me) including dimmers

Elk alarm system integrated with controller

Controller is Vera

Amazon Echo/Alexa voice control

Weiser touch screen door locks

Water sensor in basement (zwave)

Whole home energy monitor

 

List goes on and one J

 

 

From: Af  on behalf of Tushar Patel 
Reply-To: 
Date: Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 8:40 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

Do you have part list you used you can share?

You mentioned Zwave. What else?



Tushar

 


On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

My house used to run purely on Control4 system .. professionally installed and 
quite expensive.  I got sick of $125 service calls for rather simple stuff to 
be done and decided to replace it with a DYI system…. The Control4 system with 
labour and service calls etc set me back around $25k in total.

 

Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested plus my time … at 
most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero headaches …. And no service calls.

 

The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I did) is working 
with electrical in your house … I replaced outlets and switches for example and 
the zwave stuff I used is much deeper than normal switches – I wish now that I 
had just hired an electrician to mess around with that stuff in particular as 
it’s not something I do every day kind of thing ….

 

I know someone in my area that does home automation for a living … done it for 
years.  He is very busy … his main clients are folks who have cottages and wish 
to remotely control/monitor their properties especially during times they are 
not visiting it very much …  

 

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af  on behalf of Joe Novak 
Reply-To: 
Date: Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:13 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/

 

Just reading that a little bit may peak your interest in the DIY stuff. I am 
considering setting up a system at home. https://home-assistant.io/ is the 
software I'd like to use to run it.

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:48 PM, jay weekley  wrote:

That's what I was wondering.  I look at the stuff Lowe's and wonder how many 
people have the knowledge to set it all up but I have zero knowledge in the 
products.  Maybe it's time to automate my thermostat. 

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

There is so much do it yourself gear out there now I would think the only money 
would be in the very high end stuff. Things you probably have to focus as a 
sole business.

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:23 AM jay weekley  wrote:

Is there any real money to be made in home automation?  Any recurring revenue?  
How about headaches and problems?

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

[Ken Hohhof]

The skill in recording, mixing and mastering the track probably makes as
much or more difference than MP3 vs CD vs hi-res audio, or FM vs SiriusXM.

 

I’m puzzled why every studio album isn’t perfect, but many are only fair,
and some are downright awful.  Yet I have some live CDs that are
spectacular, you can close your eyes and swear you are sitting right there
at the live performance.

 

Then there are the steering wheel thumpers that sound best on AM radio in
the car.  And then there’s Louie Louie by The Kingsmen.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

 

 

Now owning and operating a radio station for nearly three years (we'll be
three years old in April), I'm always amused when I hear that.  But now that
I hear a song on say SiriusXM, and actually on the radio - I can certainly
tell the difference.  I'd call it the depth

 

- Original Message - 

From: Bill Prince   

To: af@afmug.com   

Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 4:19 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

 

It may be dead, but then it might come back too; just like vinyl. OTOH,
maybe we are finding we want "music", but we don't really want to "listen".
People with good ears can tell the difference between MP3, CD, hi-res audio
(24-bit and/or flac), and vinyl. I can sometimes tell the difference, but
most of the time I'm not concentrating on the music. Most of the time, I'm
just looking for the mood.

This sums it up nicely:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/21/mp3-cd-24-bit-audio-music
-hi-res

 

bp

 

On 1/8/2017 1:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Those of you outside the US or with friends and relatives there, is this
just a US thing, that all music is either in the cloud and streamed, or
electronically downloaded to an iPhone/iPod like device?

�

Amazon pretty much killed off the brick-and-mortar record stores, but now I
find that even Amazon doesn�t seem too interested in carrying CDs.� They
may have recent releases, but otherwise what you get is other sellers on the
Amazon storefront.� And these other sellers are predominantly in the UK,
followed by Japan and Germany.� Which leads me to believe people in those
countries still buy CDs, maybe at actual record stores.� So is this a
cultural difference?� Or is the trend just hitting Europe and Japan a
little later than here?

�

One thing I miss are the EP singles, not the 2 songs on 7 inch vinyl, more
like 4-5 songs on a CD.� Often these were exclusive for Borders or Barnes
& Noble, or sent out to record stores to promote an upcoming album.� Often
they had bonus tracks or live performances that never made it to the
albums.� I still see a few of these for Barnes & Noble but from sellers in
the UK, leading me to� believe that even Barnes & Noble sells more music
at their UK stores than here.

�

How long before physical media for content distribution is totally dead?�
Already pretty much true for software and games, plus software seems to be
going to the subscription model (like Office 365 and Adobe Creative
Cloud).� I suspect music CDs may not be long for this world, even though
vinyl has made a comeback � how strange.� Will they stop releasing
movies on Blu-Ray?� Will they work out DRM so you can buy movies via
electronic download, or will all video be streamed from the cloud?

�

Maybe what I�m missing is that most people today are never without their
phones, so that�s the only logical place to have their music.� I�m
probably a dinosaur, sticking a CD in the stereo, or grabbing a handful to
play in the car.

 

[AFMUG] RB3011

[Jason McKemie]

Anyone using these?  Good, bad, ugly?

Also, I'm looking to power one from a 48v Eltek setup, any recommendations
on a DC/DC converter?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

You know, I came across one of those on the Alabama Gulf Coast last time I 
vacationed down there - 

* it turned off the hot water when no one was there (but broke - and did NOT 
turn the hot water back on!)
* it sensed when a door was open and disabled the air conditioner.  Well that 
is just ridiculous!!
I go to the beach to hear the oceanI want to hear the surfand not sweat 
while I do it!

Perhaps I should have tinkered with it(it was October so it wound up not 
being too hot) :)


  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul Stewart 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:55 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation


  Hehe… there are faucets that you can make “smart” now as well – last I looked 
they were extremely expensive though.

   

  For practical stuff, I really like to know when bathroom lights are left on 
for extended periods of time by kids … when the garage door is left open at 
night etc…. especially with the price of electricity here (even with LED 
lighting) … 

   

  Also, when nobody is home for periods of time I’ll get an alert when lights 
are left on … my hot water tank is connected – it stops heating the water when 
nobody is going to be around …

   

  Paul

   

   

  From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
  Reply-To: 
  Date: Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 4:20 PM
  To: 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

   

  No, get the dog to take out the trash...

   

  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 1:53 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

   

  I guess I have a DumbHome.

   

  And oddly, the things I might want to check remotely don’t seem to be on the 
list.  Like did someone leave the bathroom faucet running or a burner on the 
stove lit.  With  LED lights I don’t obsess that a light might be left on for 8 
hours.  And I don’t need my fridge ordering more eggs from Amazon.

   

  The worst DIY home automation item has to be these Ring Doorbells.  For the 
time people spend dealing with their bugs, they could just hire someone to 
house sit and call them when someone is at the door.

   

  Now if I could just get the dog to bring in my wife’s paper in the morning.

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
  Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 2:40 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

   

  Look at my other posts but in short…

   

  Ecobee3 thermostat system with remote sensors deployed on each floor in 
different areas

  Zwave vents that are controlled to maintain temperature in different areas of 
the house

  Light switches all GE (which do not have instant status option but that’s 
fine for me) including dimmers

  Elk alarm system integrated with controller

  Controller is Vera

  Amazon Echo/Alexa voice control

  Weiser touch screen door locks

  Water sensor in basement (zwave)

  Whole home energy monitor

   

  List goes on and one J

   

   

  From: Af  on behalf of Tushar Patel 
  Reply-To: 
  Date: Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 8:40 AM
  To: 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

   

  Do you have part list you used you can share?

  You mentioned Zwave. What else?



  Tushar

   


  On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

My house used to run purely on Control4 system .. professionally installed 
and quite expensive.  I got sick of $125 service calls for rather simple stuff 
to be done and decided to replace it with a DYI system…. The Control4 system 
with labour and service calls etc set me back around $25k in total.

 

Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested plus my time … 
at most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero headaches …. And no service calls.

 

The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I did) is 
working with electrical in your house … I replaced outlets and switches for 
example and the zwave stuff I used is much deeper than normal switches – I wish 
now that I had just hired an electrician to mess around with that stuff in 
particular as it’s not something I do every day kind of thing ….

 

I know someone in my area that does home automation for a living … done it 
for years.  He is very busy … his main clients are folks who have cottages and 
wish to remotely control/monitor their properties especially during times they 
are not visiting it very much …  

 

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af  on behalf of Joe Novak 
Reply-To: 
Date: Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:13 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/

 

Just reading that a little bit may peak your interest in the DIY stuff. I 
am considering setting up a system at home. https://home-assistant.io/ is the 
software I'd like to use to run it.

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:48 PM, jay weekley  wrote:

  That's what I was wondering.  I look at the stuff 

Re: [AFMUG] RB3011

[Ken Hohhof]

Works as advertised, once I upgraded firmware.  It was really hosed with the 
shipping firmware but they’ve probably fixed that by now.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] RB3011

 

Anyone using these?  Good, bad, ugly?

 

Also, I'm looking to power one from a 48v Eltek setup, any recommendations on a 
DC/DC converter?

Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I am a fan of live music.  Then again, we just happened to name the station 
Live 95 - and it plays quite a bit of live music.
In fact, on Sunday nights from 9 until midnight it is ALL live music...

Right now it's "British Music Rocks".  If you're bored check it out.  "WRJM" on 
tunein or www.live95cullman.com


  - Original Message - 
  From: Ken Hohhof 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?


  The skill in recording, mixing and mastering the track probably makes as much 
or more difference than MP3 vs CD vs hi-res audio, or FM vs SiriusXM.

   

  I'm puzzled why every studio album isn't perfect, but many are only fair, and 
some are downright awful.  Yet I have some live CDs that are spectacular, you 
can close your eyes and swear you are sitting right there at the live 
performance.

   

  Then there are the steering wheel thumpers that sound best on AM radio in the 
car.  And then there's Louie Louie by The Kingsmen.

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
  Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:36 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

   

   

  Now owning and operating a radio station for nearly three years (we'll be 
three years old in April), I'm always amused when I hear that.  But now that I 
hear a song on say SiriusXM, and actually on the radio - I can certainly tell 
the difference.  I'd call it the depth

   

- Original Message - 

From: Bill Prince 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 4:19 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

 

It may be dead, but then it might come back too; just like vinyl. OTOH, 
maybe we are finding we want "music", but we don't really want to "listen". 
People with good ears can tell the difference between MP3, CD, hi-res audio 
(24-bit and/or flac), and vinyl. I can sometimes tell the difference, but most 
of the time I'm not concentrating on the music. Most of the time, I'm just 
looking for the mood.

This sums it up nicely: 
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/21/mp3-cd-24-bit-audio-music-hi-res

 

bp On 1/8/2017 1:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Those of you outside the US or with friends and relatives there, is this 
just a US thing, that all music is either in the cloud and streamed, or 
electronically downloaded to an iPhone/iPod like device?

  �

  Amazon pretty much killed off the brick-and-mortar record stores, but now 
I find that even Amazon doesn�t seem too interested in carrying CDs.� They 
may have recent releases, but otherwise what you get is other sellers on the 
Amazon storefront.� And these other sellers are predominantly in the UK, 
followed by Japan and Germany.� Which leads me to believe people in those 
countries still buy CDs, maybe at actual record stores.� So is this a 
cultural difference?� Or is the trend just hitting Europe and Japan a little 
later than here?

  �

  One thing I miss are the EP singles, not the 2 songs on 7 inch vinyl, 
more like 4-5 songs on a CD.� Often these were exclusive for Borders or 
Barnes & Noble, or sent out to record stores to promote an upcoming album.� 
Often they had bonus tracks or live performances that never made it to the 
albums.� I still see a few of these for Barnes & Noble but from sellers in 
the UK, leading me to� believe that even Barnes & Noble sells more music at 
their UK stores than here.

  �

  How long before physical media for content distribution is totally 
dead?� Already pretty much true for software and games, plus software seems 
to be going to the subscription model (like Office 365 and Adobe Creative 
Cloud).� I suspect music CDs may not be long for this world, even though 
vinyl has made a comeback � how strange.� Will they stop releasing movies 
on Blu-Ray?� Will they work out DRM so you can buy movies via electronic 
download, or will all video be streamed from the cloud?

  �

  Maybe what I�m missing is that most people today are never without 
their phones, so that�s the only logical place to have their music.� I�m 
probably a dinosaur, sticking a CD in the stereo, or grabbing a handful to play 
in the car.

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[Ken Hohhof]

If you can afford all the latest home automation tech, you probably also have 
European style point-of-use tankless water heaters.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 7:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

 

You know, I came across one of those on the Alabama Gulf Coast last time I 
vacationed down there - 

 

* it turned off the hot water when no one was there (but broke - and did NOT 
turn the hot water back on!)

* it sensed when a door was open and disabled the air conditioner.  Well that 
is just ridiculous!!

I go to the beach to hear the oceanI want to hear the surfand not sweat 
while I do it!

 

Perhaps I should have tinkered with it(it was October so it wound up not 
being too hot) :)

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Paul Stewart   

To: af@afmug.com   

Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:55 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

Hehe… there are faucets that you can make “smart” now as well – last I looked 
they were extremely expensive though.

 

For practical stuff, I really like to know when bathroom lights are left on for 
extended periods of time by kids … when the garage door is left open at night 
etc…. especially with the price of electricity here (even with LED lighting) … 

 

Also, when nobody is home for periods of time I’ll get an alert when lights are 
left on … my hot water tank is connected – it stops heating the water when 
nobody is going to be around …

 

Paul

 

 

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of 
Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >
Reply-To: mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 4:20 PM
To: mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

No, get the dog to take out the trash...

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 1:53 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

I guess I have a DumbHome.

 

And oddly, the things I might want to check remotely don’t seem to be on the 
list.  Like did someone leave the bathroom faucet running or a burner on the 
stove lit.  With  LED lights I don’t obsess that a light might be left on for 8 
hours.  And I don’t need my fridge ordering more eggs from Amazon.

 

The worst DIY home automation item has to be these Ring Doorbells.  For the 
time people spend dealing with their bugs, they could just hire someone to 
house sit and call them when someone is at the door.

 

Now if I could just get the dog to bring in my wife’s paper in the morning.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 2:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

Look at my other posts but in short…

 

Ecobee3 thermostat system with remote sensors deployed on each floor in 
different areas

Zwave vents that are controlled to maintain temperature in different areas of 
the house

Light switches all GE (which do not have instant status option but that’s fine 
for me) including dimmers

Elk alarm system integrated with controller

Controller is Vera

Amazon Echo/Alexa voice control

Weiser touch screen door locks

Water sensor in basement (zwave)

Whole home energy monitor

 

List goes on and one :)

 

 

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of 
Tushar Patel mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com> >
Reply-To: mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 8:40 AM
To: mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

Do you have part list you used you can share?

You mentioned Zwave. What else?



Tushar

 


On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

My house used to run purely on Control4 system .. professionally installed and 
quite expensive.  I got sick of $125 service calls for rather simple stuff to 
be done and decided to replace it with a DYI system…. The Control4 system with 
labour and service calls etc set me back around $25k in total.

 

Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested plus my time … at 
most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero headaches …. And no service calls.

 

The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I did) is working 
with electrical in your house … I replaced outlets and switches for example and 
the zwave stuff I used is much deeper than normal switches – I wish now that I 
had just hired an electrician to mess around with that stuff in particular as 
it’s not something I do every day kind of thing ….

 

I know someone in my area that does home automation for a living … done it for 
years.  He is very busy … his main clients are folks who have cottages and wish 
to remotely control/monitor their properties especially during times they are 
not visiting it very much …  

 

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of Jo

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

not in my house... lol

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ken Hohhof 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 7:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation


  If you can afford all the latest home automation tech, you probably also have 
European style point-of-use tankless water heaters.

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
  Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 7:04 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

   

   

  You know, I came across one of those on the Alabama Gulf Coast last time I 
vacationed down there - 

   

  * it turned off the hot water when no one was there (but broke - and did NOT 
turn the hot water back on!)

  * it sensed when a door was open and disabled the air conditioner.  Well that 
is just ridiculous!!

  I go to the beach to hear the oceanI want to hear the surfand not 
sweat while I do it!

   

  Perhaps I should have tinkered with it(it was October so it wound up not 
being too hot) :)

   

   

- Original Message - 

From: Paul Stewart 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:55 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

Hehe… there are faucets that you can make “smart” now as well – last I 
looked they were extremely expensive though.

 

For practical stuff, I really like to know when bathroom lights are left on 
for extended periods of time by kids … when the garage door is left open at 
night etc…. especially with the price of electricity here (even with LED 
lighting) … 

 

Also, when nobody is home for periods of time I’ll get an alert when lights 
are left on … my hot water tank is connected – it stops heating the water when 
nobody is going to be around …

 

Paul

 

 

From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: 
Date: Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 4:20 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

No, get the dog to take out the trash...

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 1:53 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

I guess I have a DumbHome.

 

And oddly, the things I might want to check remotely don’t seem to be on 
the list.  Like did someone leave the bathroom faucet running or a burner on 
the stove lit.  With  LED lights I don’t obsess that a light might be left on 
for 8 hours.  And I don’t need my fridge ordering more eggs from Amazon.

 

The worst DIY home automation item has to be these Ring Doorbells.  For the 
time people spend dealing with their bugs, they could just hire someone to 
house sit and call them when someone is at the door.

 

Now if I could just get the dog to bring in my wife’s paper in the morning.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 2:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

Look at my other posts but in short…

 

Ecobee3 thermostat system with remote sensors deployed on each floor in 
different areas

Zwave vents that are controlled to maintain temperature in different areas 
of the house

Light switches all GE (which do not have instant status option but that’s 
fine for me) including dimmers

Elk alarm system integrated with controller

Controller is Vera

Amazon Echo/Alexa voice control

Weiser touch screen door locks

Water sensor in basement (zwave)

Whole home energy monitor

 

List goes on and one J

 

 

From: Af  on behalf of Tushar Patel 
Reply-To: 
Date: Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 8:40 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

Do you have part list you used you can share?

You mentioned Zwave. What else?



Tushar

 


On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

  My house used to run purely on Control4 system .. professionally 
installed and quite expensive.  I got sick of $125 service calls for rather 
simple stuff to be done and decided to replace it with a DYI system…. The 
Control4 system with labour and service calls etc set me back around $25k in 
total.

   

  Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested plus my time … 
at most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero headaches …. And no service calls.

   

  The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I did) is 
working with electrical in your house … I replaced outlets and switches for 
example and the zwave stuff I used is much deeper than normal switches – I wish 
now that I had just hired an electrician to mess around with that stuff in 
particular as it’s not something I do every day kind of thing ….

   

  I know someone in my area that does home automation for a living … done 
it for years.  He is very busy … his main clients are folks who have c

Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

[Gino Villarini]

Ist Paul Okenfold an old WWF wrestler?  lo l

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of That 
One Guy /sarcasm mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 6:38 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

Audiophiles are going to be a valuable niche market. I recently threw all my 
cds and dvds away for the sake of space, it's faster half the time to download 
a movie or album than to find it on the shelf. I did keep a could Paul 
oakenfold cds for the cars until we cycle vehicles, since even stock radios 
come with an input or Bluetooth now




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Jan 8, 2017 4:19 PM, "Bill Prince" 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

It may be dead, but then it might come back too; just like vinyl. OTOH, maybe 
we are finding we want "music", but we don't really want to "listen". People 
with good ears can tell the difference between MP3, CD, hi-res audio (24-bit 
and/or flac), and vinyl. I can sometimes tell the difference, but most of the 
time I'm not concentrating on the music. Most of the time, I'm just looking for 
the mood.

This sums it up nicely: 
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/21/mp3-cd-24-bit-audio-music-hi-res


bp




On 1/8/2017 1:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Those of you outside the US or with friends and relatives there, is this just a 
US thing, that all music is either in the cloud and streamed, or electronically 
downloaded to an iPhone/iPod like device?
ï¿1Ž2
Amazon pretty much killed off the brick-and-mortar record stores, but now I 
find that even Amazon doesnï¿1Ž2t seem too interested in carrying CDs.ï¿1Ž2 
They may have recent releases, but otherwise what you get is other sellers on 
the Amazon storefront.ï¿1Ž2 And these other sellers are predominantly in the 
UK, followed by Japan and Germany.ï¿1Ž2 Which leads me to believe people in 
those countries still buy CDs, maybe at actual record stores.ï¿1Ž2 So is this a 
cultural difference?ï¿1Ž2 Or is the trend just hitting Europe and Japan a 
little later than here?
ï¿1Ž2
One thing I miss are the EP singles, not the 2 songs on 7 inch vinyl, more like 
4-5 songs on a CD.ï¿1Ž2 Often these were exclusive for Borders or Barnes & 
Noble, or sent out to record stores to promote an upcoming album.ï¿1Ž2 Often 
they had bonus tracks or live performances that never made it to the 
albums.ï¿1Ž2 I still see a few of these for Barnes & Noble but from sellers in 
the UK, leading me toï¿1Ž2 believe that even Barnes & Noble sells more music at 
their UK stores than here.
ï¿1Ž2
How long before physical media for content distribution is totally dead?ï¿1Ž2 
Already pretty much true for software and games, plus software seems to be 
going to the subscription model (like Office 365 and Adobe Creative 
Cloud).ï¿1Ž2 I suspect music CDs may not be long for this world, even though 
vinyl has made a comeback ï¿1Ž2 how strange.ï¿1Ž2 Will they stop releasing 
movies on Blu-Ray?ï¿1Ž2 Will they work out DRM so you can buy movies via 
electronic download, or will all video be streamed from the cloud?
ï¿1Ž2
Maybe what Iï¿1Ž2m missing is that most people today are never without their 
phones, so thatï¿1Ž2s the only logical place to have their music.ï¿1Ž2 Iï¿1Ž2m 
probably a dinosaur, sticking a CD in the stereo, or grabbing a handful to play 
in the car.

Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

[Josh Reynolds]

With 5GHz, many of you are going to need to get used to running RF power on
low or medium inside your homes. :/

Lower power, more APs.

At least, if you care about throughput and coverage.

BTW, there's been several very positive shootouts between eero, google, and
amplifi lately... UBNT has been doing quite well. I may have to check that
line out just to see what the fuss is. I know they've trademarked some cool
names lately.

On Jan 8, 2017 6:11 PM, "Joe Novak"  wrote:

> Unifi also works well for me.
>
> I saw similar problems with the 844E here. It didn't cover my house well
> when in the basement. I had to move it to a more central location and even
> then had hiccups with DLNA streaming on 5ghz. I wasn't running the latest
> firmware, I've been meaning to try it again.
>
> All because I'm too lazy to run coax to my bedroom...
>
> On Jan 8, 2017 6:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>
>> UniFi works for me very well...
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2017 4:43 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> My Calix 844E is OK, but the RF seems weak.
>>>
>>> Might need upgrading  but I have lost he password.  The factory password
>>> does not work.  May have to default it.
>>>
>>> I can see a neighbors router that lives about 1000 feet from me.  Wonder
>>> if he can see all my routers.
>>>
>>> Any recommendations for routers?  Anything new out there that is really
>>> asskicking?
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[Chuck McCown]

I  have been tankless for almost 20 years.  Love them.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 6:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

If you can afford all the latest home automation tech, you probably also have 
European style point-of-use tankless water heaters.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 7:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

 

 

You know, I came across one of those on the Alabama Gulf Coast last time I 
vacationed down there - 

 

* it turned off the hot water when no one was there (but broke - and did NOT 
turn the hot water back on!)

* it sensed when a door was open and disabled the air conditioner.  Well that 
is just ridiculous!!

I go to the beach to hear the oceanI want to hear the surfand not sweat 
while I do it!

 

Perhaps I should have tinkered with it(it was October so it wound up not 
being too hot) :)

 

 

  - Original Message - 

  From: Paul Stewart 

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:55 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

   

  Hehe… there are faucets that you can make “smart” now as well – last I looked 
they were extremely expensive though.

   

  For practical stuff, I really like to know when bathroom lights are left on 
for extended periods of time by kids … when the garage door is left open at 
night etc…. especially with the price of electricity here (even with LED 
lighting) … 

   

  Also, when nobody is home for periods of time I’ll get an alert when lights 
are left on … my hot water tank is connected – it stops heating the water when 
nobody is going to be around …

   

  Paul

   

   

  From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
  Reply-To: 
  Date: Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 4:20 PM
  To: 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

   

  No, get the dog to take out the trash...

   

  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 1:53 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

   

  I guess I have a DumbHome.

   

  And oddly, the things I might want to check remotely don’t seem to be on the 
list.  Like did someone leave the bathroom faucet running or a burner on the 
stove lit.  With  LED lights I don’t obsess that a light might be left on for 8 
hours.  And I don’t need my fridge ordering more eggs from Amazon.

   

  The worst DIY home automation item has to be these Ring Doorbells.  For the 
time people spend dealing with their bugs, they could just hire someone to 
house sit and call them when someone is at the door.

   

  Now if I could just get the dog to bring in my wife’s paper in the morning.

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
  Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 2:40 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

   

  Look at my other posts but in short…

   

  Ecobee3 thermostat system with remote sensors deployed on each floor in 
different areas

  Zwave vents that are controlled to maintain temperature in different areas of 
the house

  Light switches all GE (which do not have instant status option but that’s 
fine for me) including dimmers

  Elk alarm system integrated with controller

  Controller is Vera

  Amazon Echo/Alexa voice control

  Weiser touch screen door locks

  Water sensor in basement (zwave)

  Whole home energy monitor

   

  List goes on and one J

   

   

  From: Af  on behalf of Tushar Patel 
  Reply-To: 
  Date: Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 8:40 AM
  To: 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

   

  Do you have part list you used you can share?

  You mentioned Zwave. What else?



  Tushar

   


  On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

My house used to run purely on Control4 system .. professionally installed 
and quite expensive.  I got sick of $125 service calls for rather simple stuff 
to be done and decided to replace it with a DYI system…. The Control4 system 
with labour and service calls etc set me back around $25k in total.

 

Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested plus my time … 
at most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero headaches …. And no service calls.

 

The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I did) is 
working with electrical in your house … I replaced outlets and switches for 
example and the zwave stuff I used is much deeper than normal switches – I wish 
now that I had just hired an electrician to mess around with that stuff in 
particular as it’s not something I do every day kind of thing ….

 

I know someone in my area that does home automation for a living … done it 
for years.  He is very busy … his main clients are folks who have cottages and 
wish to remotely control/monitor their properties especially during times they 
are not visiting it very much …  

 

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af  on behalf of

Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

[Chuck McCown]

Is Unifi all the latest AC dual band etc etc?
I should upgrade the 844 and see if there is a difference.  

From: Joe Novak 
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 5:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

Unifi also works well for me. 

I saw similar problems with the 844E here. It didn't cover my house well when 
in the basement. I had to move it to a more central location and even then had 
hiccups with DLNA streaming on 5ghz. I wasn't running the latest firmware, I've 
been meaning to try it again.

All because I'm too lazy to run coax to my bedroom...

On Jan 8, 2017 6:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  UniFi works for me very well... 

  On Jan 8, 2017 4:43 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

My Calix 844E is OK, but the RF seems weak.  

Might need upgrading  but I have lost he password.  The factory password 
does not work.  May have to default it.  

I can see a neighbors router that lives about 1000 feet from me.  Wonder if 
he can see all my routers.

Any recommendations for routers?  Anything new out there that is really 
asskicking?

Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

[Josh Reynolds]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Oakenfold

On Jan 8, 2017 7:11 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> Ist Paul Okenfold an old WWF wrestler?  lo l
>
> From: Af  on behalf of That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 6:38 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?
>
> Audiophiles are going to be a valuable niche market. I recently threw all
> my cds and dvds away for the sake of space, it's faster half the time to
> download a movie or album than to find it on the shelf. I did keep a could
> Paul oakenfold cds for the cars until we cycle vehicles, since even stock
> radios come with an input or Bluetooth now
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Jan 8, 2017 4:19 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>> It may be dead, but then it might come back too; just like vinyl. OTOH,
>> maybe we are finding we want "music", but we don't really want to "listen".
>> People with good ears can tell the difference between MP3, CD, hi-res audio
>> (24-bit and/or flac), and vinyl. I can sometimes tell the difference, but
>> most of the time I'm not concentrating on the music. Most of the time, I'm
>> just looking for the mood.
>>
>> This sums it up nicely: https://www.theguardian.com/te
>> chnology/2014/aug/21/mp3-cd-24-bit-audio-music-hi-res
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 1/8/2017 1:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Those of you outside the US or with friends and relatives there, is this
>> just a US thing, that all music is either in the cloud and streamed, or
>> electronically downloaded to an iPhone/iPod like device?
>>
>> ï¿1Ž2
>>
>> Amazon pretty much killed off the brick-and-mortar record stores, but now
>> I find that even Amazon doesnï¿1Ž2t seem too interested in carrying
>> CDs.ï¿1Ž2 They may have recent releases, but otherwise what you get is
>> other sellers on the Amazon storefront.ï¿1Ž2 And these other sellers are
>> predominantly in the UK, followed by Japan and Germany.ï¿1Ž2 Which leads me
>> to believe people in those countries still buy CDs, maybe at actual record
>> stores.ï¿1Ž2 So is this a cultural difference?ï¿1Ž2 Or is the trend just
>> hitting Europe and Japan a little later than here?
>>
>> ï¿1Ž2
>>
>> One thing I miss are the EP singles, not the 2 songs on 7 inch vinyl,
>> more like 4-5 songs on a CD.ï¿1Ž2 Often these were exclusive for Borders or
>> Barnes & Noble, or sent out to record stores to promote an upcoming
>> album.ï¿1Ž2 Often they had bonus tracks or live performances that never
>> made it to the albums.ï¿1Ž2 I still see a few of these for Barnes & Noble
>> but from sellers in the UK, leading me toï¿1Ž2 believe that even Barnes &
>> Noble sells more music at their UK stores than here.
>>
>> ï¿1Ž2
>>
>> How long before physical media for content distribution is totally
>> dead?ï¿1Ž2 Already pretty much true for software and games, plus software
>> seems to be going to the subscription model (like Office 365 and Adobe
>> Creative Cloud).ï¿1Ž2 I suspect music CDs may not be long for this world,
>> even though vinyl has made a comeback ï¿1Ž2 how strange.ï¿1Ž2 Will they
>> stop releasing movies on Blu-Ray?ï¿1Ž2 Will they work out DRM so you can
>> buy movies via electronic download, or will all video be streamed from the
>> cloud?
>>
>> ï¿1Ž2
>>
>> Maybe what Iï¿1Ž2m missing is that most people today are never without
>> their phones, so thatï¿1Ž2s the only logical place to have their
>> music.ï¿1Ž2 Iï¿1Ž2m probably a dinosaur, sticking a CD in the stereo, or
>> grabbing a handful to play in the car.
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

[Josh Reynolds]

The new UAP-AC-HD is 802.11AC wave2, and has 3 internal SoCs: one for each
band (2.4/5) and one for Ethernet and management. Dual Ethernet ports,
802.3ad/LACP support for them soon.

Very good AP.

On Jan 8, 2017 7:12 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Is Unifi all the latest AC dual band etc etc?
> I should upgrade the 844 and see if there is a difference.
>
> *From:* Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 08, 2017 5:11 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -
>
> Unifi also works well for me.
>
> I saw similar problems with the 844E here. It didn't cover my house well
> when in the basement. I had to move it to a more central location and even
> then had hiccups with DLNA streaming on 5ghz. I wasn't running the latest
> firmware, I've been meaning to try it again.
>
> All because I'm too lazy to run coax to my bedroom...
>
> On Jan 8, 2017 6:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>
>> UniFi works for me very well...
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2017 4:43 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> My Calix 844E is OK, but the RF seems weak.
>>>
>>> Might need upgrading  but I have lost he password.  The factory password
>>> does not work.  May have to default it.
>>>
>>> I can see a neighbors router that lives about 1000 feet from me.  Wonder
>>> if he can see all my routers.
>>>
>>> Any recommendations for routers?  Anything new out there that is really
>>> asskicking?
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] RB3011

[Mathew Howard]

We have a few running. No problems with current firmware... My only
complaint is that they don't sell one in a desktop case, and I'm running
out of 2011's to gut...

On Jan 8, 2017 7:04 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Works as advertised, once I upgraded firmware.  It was really hosed with
> the shipping firmware but they’ve probably fixed that by now.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] RB3011
>
>
>
> Anyone using these?  Good, bad, ugly?
>
>
>
> Also, I'm looking to power one from a 48v Eltek setup, any recommendations
> on a DC/DC converter?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

[Josh Reynolds]

Side note: my house is around 2200sq/ft not counting the basement. I run 4
APs to cover the house, property, and the barn out back. (Still there from
the early 1900s when it was a farm).

On Jan 8, 2017 7:15 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> The new UAP-AC-HD is 802.11AC wave2, and has 3 internal SoCs: one for each
> band (2.4/5) and one for Ethernet and management. Dual Ethernet ports,
> 802.3ad/LACP support for them soon.
>
> Very good AP.
>
> On Jan 8, 2017 7:12 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Is Unifi all the latest AC dual band etc etc?
>> I should upgrade the 844 and see if there is a difference.
>>
>> *From:* Joe Novak
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 08, 2017 5:11 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -
>>
>> Unifi also works well for me.
>>
>> I saw similar problems with the 844E here. It didn't cover my house well
>> when in the basement. I had to move it to a more central location and even
>> then had hiccups with DLNA streaming on 5ghz. I wasn't running the latest
>> firmware, I've been meaning to try it again.
>>
>> All because I'm too lazy to run coax to my bedroom...
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2017 6:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> UniFi works for me very well...
>>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2017 4:43 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
 My Calix 844E is OK, but the RF seems weak.

 Might need upgrading  but I have lost he password.  The factory
 password does not work.  May have to default it.

 I can see a neighbors router that lives about 1000 feet from me.
 Wonder if he can see all my routers.

 Any recommendations for routers?  Anything new out there that is really
 asskicking?

>>>

Re: [AFMUG] RB3011

[Josh Reynolds]

Why are you replacing their cases?

On Jan 8, 2017 7:15 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> We have a few running. No problems with current firmware... My only
> complaint is that they don't sell one in a desktop case, and I'm running
> out of 2011's to gut...
>
> On Jan 8, 2017 7:04 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> Works as advertised, once I upgraded firmware.  It was really hosed with
>> the shipping firmware but they’ve probably fixed that by now.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:57 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] RB3011
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone using these?  Good, bad, ugly?
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, I'm looking to power one from a 48v Eltek setup, any
>> recommendations on a DC/DC converter?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[Lewis Bergman]

Me too.  My tanks gas been great and cheap to run. Mine is natural  gas as
is my clothes dryer, heater, and stove top. My gas bill averages $25 a
month on average billing.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017, 7:11 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I  have been tankless for almost 20 years.  Love them.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 08, 2017 6:07 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation
>
> If you can afford all the latest home automation tech, you probably also
> have European style point-of-use tankless water heaters.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 8, 2017 7:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation
>
>
>
>
>
> You know, I came across one of those on the Alabama Gulf Coast last time I
> vacationed down there -
>
>
>
> * it turned off the hot water when no one was there (but broke - and did
> NOT turn the hot water back on!)
>
> * it sensed when a door was open and disabled the air conditioner.  Well
> that is just ridiculous!!
>
> I go to the beach to hear the oceanI want to hear the surfand not
> sweat while I do it!
>
>
>
> Perhaps I should have tinkered with it(it was October so it wound up
> not being too hot) :)
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Paul Stewart
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:55 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation
>
>
>
> Hehe… there are faucets that you can make “smart” now as well – last I
> looked they were extremely expensive though.
>
>
>
> For practical stuff, I really like to know when bathroom lights are left
> on for extended periods of time by kids … when the garage door is left open
> at night etc…. especially with the price of electricity here (even with LED
> lighting) …
>
>
>
> Also, when nobody is home for periods of time I’ll get an alert when
> lights are left on … my hot water tank is connected – it stops heating the
> water when nobody is going to be around …
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown <
> ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *Reply-To: *
> *Date: *Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 4:20 PM
> *To: *
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation
>
>
>
> No, get the dog to take out the trash...
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 08, 2017 1:53 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation
>
>
>
> I guess I have a DumbHome.
>
>
>
> And oddly, the things I might want to check remotely don’t seem to be on
> the list.  Like did someone leave the bathroom faucet running or a burner
> on the stove lit.  With  LED lights I don’t obsess that a light might be
> left on for 8 hours.  And I don’t need my fridge ordering more eggs from
> Amazon.
>
>
>
> The worst DIY home automation item has to be these Ring Doorbells.  For
> the time people spend dealing with their bugs, they could just hire someone
> to house sit and call them when someone is at the door.
>
>
>
> Now if I could just get the dog to bring in my wife’s paper in the morning.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 8, 2017 2:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation
>
>
>
> Look at my other posts but in short…
>
>
>
> Ecobee3 thermostat system with remote sensors deployed on each floor in
> different areas
>
> Zwave vents that are controlled to maintain temperature in different areas
> of the house
>
> Light switches all GE (which do not have instant status option but that’s
> fine for me) including dimmers
>
> Elk alarm system integrated with controller
>
> Controller is Vera
>
> Amazon Echo/Alexa voice control
>
> Weiser touch screen door locks
>
> Water sensor in basement (zwave)
>
> Whole home energy monitor
>
>
>
> List goes on and one J
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Tushar Patel <
> tpa...@ecpi.com>
> *Reply-To: *
> *Date: *Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 8:40 AM
> *To: *
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation
>
>
>
> Do you have part list you used you can share?
>
> You mentioned Zwave. What else?
>
>
>
> Tushar
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>
> My house used to run purely on Control4 system .. professionally installed
> and quite expensive.  I got sick of $125 service calls for rather simple
> stuff to be done and decided to replace it with a DYI system…. The Control4
> system with labour and service calls etc set me back around $25k in total.
>
>
>
> Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested plus my time …
> at most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero headaches …. And no service calls.
>
>
>
> The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I did) is
> working with electrical in your house … I replaced outlets and switches for
> example and the zwave stuff I used is much deeper than normal switches – I
> wish now that I had just hired an electrician to mess around with that
> stuff in particular 

Re: [AFMUG] RB3011

[Mathew Howard]

To fit in boxes that are too small for the rackmount case.

On Jan 8, 2017 7:17 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Why are you replacing their cases?
>
> On Jan 8, 2017 7:15 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>
>> We have a few running. No problems with current firmware... My only
>> complaint is that they don't sell one in a desktop case, and I'm running
>> out of 2011's to gut...
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2017 7:04 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>>> Works as advertised, once I upgraded firmware.  It was really hosed with
>>> the shipping firmware but they’ve probably fixed that by now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:57 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] RB3011
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone using these?  Good, bad, ugly?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, I'm looking to power one from a 48v Eltek setup, any
>>> recommendations on a DC/DC converter?
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] RB3011

[Josh Reynolds]

... but why :)

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 7:40 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> To fit in boxes that are too small for the rackmount case.
>
> On Jan 8, 2017 7:17 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>> Why are you replacing their cases?
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2017 7:15 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>>>
>>> We have a few running. No problems with current firmware... My only
>>> complaint is that they don't sell one in a desktop case, and I'm running out
>>> of 2011's to gut...
>>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2017 7:04 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

 Works as advertised, once I upgraded firmware.  It was really hosed with
 the shipping firmware but they’ve probably fixed that by now.





 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
 Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:57 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] RB3011



 Anyone using these?  Good, bad, ugly?



 Also, I'm looking to power one from a 48v Eltek setup, any
 recommendations on a DC/DC converter?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[Jason McKemie]

A good place to browse around:

http://www.smarthome.com/

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> What he said...
>
> *From:* Tushar Patel
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 08, 2017 6:40 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation
>
> Do you have part list you used you can share?
> You mentioned Zwave. What else?
>
>
> Tushar
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>
> My house used to run purely on Control4 system .. professionally installed
> and quite expensive.  I got sick of $125 service calls for rather simple
> stuff to be done and decided to replace it with a DYI system…. The Control4
> system with labour and service calls etc set me back around $25k in total.
>
>
>
> Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested plus my time …
> at most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero headaches …. And no service calls.
>
>
>
> The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I did) is
> working with electrical in your house … I replaced outlets and switches for
> example and the zwave stuff I used is much deeper than normal switches – I
> wish now that I had just hired an electrician to mess around with that
> stuff in particular as it’s not something I do every day kind of thing ….
>
>
>
> I know someone in my area that does home automation for a living … done it
> for years.  He is very busy … his main clients are folks who have cottages
> and wish to remotely control/monitor their properties especially during
> times they are not visiting it very much …
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Joe Novak <
> jno...@lrcomm.com>
> *Reply-To: *
> *Date: *Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:13 PM
> *To: *
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation
>
>
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/
>
>
>
> Just reading that a little bit may peak your interest in the DIY stuff. I
> am considering setting up a system at home. https://home-assistant.io/ is
> the software I'd like to use to run it.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:48 PM, jay weekley 
> wrote:
>
> That's what I was wondering.  I look at the stuff Lowe's and wonder how
> many people have the knowledge to set it all up but I have zero knowledge
> in the products.  Maybe it's time to automate my thermostat.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
> There is so much do it yourself gear out there now I would think the only
> money would be in the very high end stuff. Things you probably have to
> focus as a sole business.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:23 AM jay weekley 
> wrote:
>
> Is there any real money to be made in home automation?  Any recurring
> revenue?  How about headaches and problems?
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RB3011

[Josh Baird]

If you can't fit the rackmount form-factor in your enclosure, it seems
pretty logical to me.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 8:50 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> ... but why :)
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 7:40 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
> > To fit in boxes that are too small for the rackmount case.
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2017 7:17 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
> >>
> >> Why are you replacing their cases?
> >>
> >> On Jan 8, 2017 7:15 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> We have a few running. No problems with current firmware... My only
> >>> complaint is that they don't sell one in a desktop case, and I'm
> running out
> >>> of 2011's to gut...
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 8, 2017 7:04 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
> 
>  Works as advertised, once I upgraded firmware.  It was really hosed
> with
>  the shipping firmware but they’ve probably fixed that by now.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
>  Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:57 PM
>  To: af@afmug.com
>  Subject: [AFMUG] RB3011
> 
> 
> 
>  Anyone using these?  Good, bad, ugly?
> 
> 
> 
>  Also, I'm looking to power one from a 48v Eltek setup, any
>  recommendations on a DC/DC converter?
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

[Ken Hohhof]

Thanks for the tip, I’ll check it out.

 

Here’s an unusual take on live British music:

http://www.theoldvinylfactorysessions.com/

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 7:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

 

 

I am a fan of live music.  Then again, we just happened to name the station
Live 95 - and it plays quite a bit of live music.

In fact, on Sunday nights from 9 until midnight it is ALL live music...

 

Right now it's "British Music Rocks".  If you're bored check it out.  "WRJM"
on tunein or www.live95cullman.com  

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Ken Hohhof   

To: af@afmug.com   

Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:56 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

 

The skill in recording, mixing and mastering the track probably makes as
much or more difference than MP3 vs CD vs hi-res audio, or FM vs SiriusXM.

 

I’m puzzled why every studio album isn’t perfect, but many are only fair,
and some are downright awful.  Yet I have some live CDs that are
spectacular, you can close your eyes and swear you are sitting right there
at the live performance.

 

Then there are the steering wheel thumpers that sound best on AM radio in
the car.  And then there’s Louie Louie by The Kingsmen.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

 

 

Now owning and operating a radio station for nearly three years (we'll be
three years old in April), I'm always amused when I hear that.  But now that
I hear a song on say SiriusXM, and actually on the radio - I can certainly
tell the difference.  I'd call it the depth

 

- Original Message - 

From: Bill Prince   

To: af@afmug.com   

Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 4:19 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

 

It may be dead, but then it might come back too; just like vinyl. OTOH,
maybe we are finding we want "music", but we don't really want to "listen".
People with good ears can tell the difference between MP3, CD, hi-res audio
(24-bit and/or flac), and vinyl. I can sometimes tell the difference, but
most of the time I'm not concentrating on the music. Most of the time, I'm
just looking for the mood.

This sums it up nicely:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/21/mp3-cd-24-bit-audio-music
-hi-res

 

bp

 

On 1/8/2017 1:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Those of you outside the US or with friends and relatives there, is this
just a US thing, that all music is either in the cloud and streamed, or
electronically downloaded to an iPhone/iPod like device?

�

Amazon pretty much killed off the brick-and-mortar record stores, but now I
find that even Amazon doesn�t seem too interested in carrying CDs.� They
may have recent releases, but otherwise what you get is other sellers on the
Amazon storefront.� And these other sellers are predominantly in the UK,
followed by Japan and Germany.� Which leads me to believe people in those
countries still buy CDs, maybe at actual record stores.� So is this a
cultural difference?� Or is the trend just hitting Europe and Japan a
little later than here?

�

One thing I miss are the EP singles, not the 2 songs on 7 inch vinyl, more
like 4-5 songs on a CD.� Often these were exclusive for Borders or Barnes
& Noble, or sent out to record stores to promote an upcoming album.� Often
they had bonus tracks or live performances that never made it to the
albums.� I still see a few of these for Barnes & Noble but from sellers in
the UK, leading me to� believe that even Barnes & Noble sells more music
at their UK stores than here.

�

How long before physical media for content distribution is totally dead?�
Already pretty much true for software and games, plus software seems to be
going to the subscription model (like Office 365 and Adobe Creative
Cloud).� I suspect music CDs may not be long for this world, even though
vinyl has made a comeback � how strange.� Will they stop releasing
movies on Blu-Ray?� Will they work out DRM so you can buy movies via
electronic download, or will all video be streamed from the cloud?

�

Maybe what I�m missing is that most people today are never without their
phones, so that�s the only logical place to have their music.� I�m
probably a dinosaur, sticking a CD in the stereo, or grabbing a handful to
play in the car.

 

Re: [AFMUG] RB3011

[Ken Hohhof]

I assume he is scavenging the case from a 2011 and slipping the 3011 into it.  
I’ve wondered if that would work, I guess the answer is yes.  Since I’m 
replacing 2011’s with 3011’s, that would be a viable approach.

 

Is it that simple, or does it involve some mods?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 8:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RB3011

 

If you can't fit the rackmount form-factor in your enclosure, it seems pretty 
logical to me.

 

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 8:50 PM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote:

... but why :)

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 7:40 PM, Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> To fit in boxes that are too small for the rackmount case.
>
> On Jan 8, 2017 7:17 PM, "Josh Reynolds"   > wrote:
>>

>> Why are you replacing their cases?
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2017 7:15 PM, "Mathew Howard" >  > wrote:
>>>
>>> We have a few running. No problems with current firmware... My only
>>> complaint is that they don't sell one in a desktop case, and I'm running out
>>> of 2011's to gut...
>>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2017 7:04 PM, "Ken Hohhof" >>  > wrote:

 Works as advertised, once I upgraded firmware.  It was really hosed with
 the shipping firmware but they’ve probably fixed that by now.





 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On 
 Behalf Of Jason McKemie
 Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:57 PM
 To: af@afmug.com  
 Subject: [AFMUG] RB3011



 Anyone using these?  Good, bad, ugly?



 Also, I'm looking to power one from a 48v Eltek setup, any
 recommendations on a DC/DC converter?

 

Re: [AFMUG] RB3011

[Mathew Howard]

Yup, I've replaced a few 2011's wuth 3011's, and since the enclosures at
those sites were too small for the rackmount case, I just put them into the
2011 cases and they fit perfectly.

On Jan 8, 2017 8:22 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> I assume he is scavenging the case from a 2011 and slipping the 3011 into
> it.  I’ve wondered if that would work, I guess the answer is yes.  Since
> I’m replacing 2011’s with 3011’s, that would be a viable approach.
>
>
>
> Is it that simple, or does it involve some mods?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 8, 2017 8:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RB3011
>
>
>
> If you can't fit the rackmount form-factor in your enclosure, it seems
> pretty logical to me.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 8:50 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
> ... but why :)
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 7:40 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
> > To fit in boxes that are too small for the rackmount case.
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2017 7:17 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
> >>
>
> >> Why are you replacing their cases?
> >>
> >> On Jan 8, 2017 7:15 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> We have a few running. No problems with current firmware... My only
> >>> complaint is that they don't sell one in a desktop case, and I'm
> running out
> >>> of 2011's to gut...
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 8, 2017 7:04 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
> 
>  Works as advertised, once I upgraded firmware.  It was really hosed
> with
>  the shipping firmware but they’ve probably fixed that by now.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
>  Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:57 PM
>  To: af@afmug.com
>  Subject: [AFMUG] RB3011
> 
> 
> 
>  Anyone using these?  Good, bad, ugly?
> 
> 
> 
>  Also, I'm looking to power one from a 48v Eltek setup, any
>  recommendations on a DC/DC converter?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RB3011

[Mathew Howard]

The boards are exactly the same size, so it doesn't involve any mods, but
you might need to cut out some holes, depending on the specific model of
2011 (if they don't have sfp, etc.)... but I think all of the 2011's do
have knockouts for everything, so it's pretty simple.

On Jan 8, 2017 8:22 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> I assume he is scavenging the case from a 2011 and slipping the 3011 into
> it.  I’ve wondered if that would work, I guess the answer is yes.  Since
> I’m replacing 2011’s with 3011’s, that would be a viable approach.
>
>
>
> Is it that simple, or does it involve some mods?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 8, 2017 8:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RB3011
>
>
>
> If you can't fit the rackmount form-factor in your enclosure, it seems
> pretty logical to me.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 8:50 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
> ... but why :)
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 7:40 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
> > To fit in boxes that are too small for the rackmount case.
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2017 7:17 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
> >>
>
> >> Why are you replacing their cases?
> >>
> >> On Jan 8, 2017 7:15 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> We have a few running. No problems with current firmware... My only
> >>> complaint is that they don't sell one in a desktop case, and I'm
> running out
> >>> of 2011's to gut...
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 8, 2017 7:04 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
> 
>  Works as advertised, once I upgraded firmware.  It was really hosed
> with
>  the shipping firmware but they’ve probably fixed that by now.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
>  Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:57 PM
>  To: af@afmug.com
>  Subject: [AFMUG] RB3011
> 
> 
> 
>  Anyone using these?  Good, bad, ugly?
> 
> 
> 
>  Also, I'm looking to power one from a 48v Eltek setup, any
>  recommendations on a DC/DC converter?
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Contact for Ritalia Funding or Similar

[Ken Patrick]

Hi,

Please does anyone have a contact for Ritalia funding or any other
equipment leasing company.


Regards

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[Chuck McCown]

I might have a $25 bill in the summer...
Probably $150 in the winter.  

But yeah,  if I have to make heat for something I use NG.  
I do have an electric oven but I also have an NG oven.  Electric does heat up 
faster for some reason.

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 6:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

Me too.  My tanks gas been great and cheap to run. Mine is natural  gas as is 
my clothes dryer, heater, and stove top. My gas bill averages $25 a month on 
average billing. 



On Sun, Jan 8, 2017, 7:11 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I  have been tankless for almost 20 years.  Love them.  

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 6:07 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation
  If you can afford all the latest home automation tech, you probably also have 
European style point-of-use tankless water heaters.



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
  Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 7:04 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation





  You know, I came across one of those on the Alabama Gulf Coast last time I 
vacationed down there - 



  * it turned off the hot water when no one was there (but broke - and did NOT 
turn the hot water back on!)

  * it sensed when a door was open and disabled the air conditioner.  Well that 
is just ridiculous!!

  I go to the beach to hear the oceanI want to hear the surfand not 
sweat while I do it!



  Perhaps I should have tinkered with it(it was October so it wound up not 
being too hot) :)





- Original Message - 

From: Paul Stewart 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:55 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation



Hehe… there are faucets that you can make “smart” now as well – last I 
looked they were extremely expensive though.



For practical stuff, I really like to know when bathroom lights are left on 
for extended periods of time by kids … when the garage door is left open at 
night etc…. especially with the price of electricity here (even with LED 
lighting) … 



Also, when nobody is home for periods of time I’ll get an alert when lights 
are left on … my hot water tank is connected – it stops heating the water when 
nobody is going to be around …



Paul





From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: 
Date: Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 4:20 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation



No, get the dog to take out the trash...



From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 1:53 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation



I guess I have a DumbHome.



And oddly, the things I might want to check remotely don’t seem to be on 
the list.  Like did someone leave the bathroom faucet running or a burner on 
the stove lit.  With  LED lights I don’t obsess that a light might be left on 
for 8 hours.  And I don’t need my fridge ordering more eggs from Amazon.



The worst DIY home automation item has to be these Ring Doorbells.  For the 
time people spend dealing with their bugs, they could just hire someone to 
house sit and call them when someone is at the door.



Now if I could just get the dog to bring in my wife’s paper in the morning.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 2:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation



Look at my other posts but in short…



Ecobee3 thermostat system with remote sensors deployed on each floor in 
different areas

Zwave vents that are controlled to maintain temperature in different areas 
of the house

Light switches all GE (which do not have instant status option but that’s 
fine for me) including dimmers

Elk alarm system integrated with controller

Controller is Vera

Amazon Echo/Alexa voice control

Weiser touch screen door locks

Water sensor in basement (zwave)

Whole home energy monitor



List goes on and one J





From: Af  on behalf of Tushar Patel 
Reply-To: 
Date: Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 8:40 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation



Do you have part list you used you can share?

You mentioned Zwave. What else?



Tushar




On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

  My house used to run purely on Control4 system .. professionally 
installed and quite expensive.  I got sick of $125 service calls for rather 
simple stuff to be done and decided to replace it with a DYI system…. The 
Control4 system with labour and service calls etc set me back around $25k in 
total.



  Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested plus my time … 
at most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero headaches …. And no service calls.



  The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I did) is 
working wi

Re: [AFMUG] RB3011

[Josh Reynolds]

Ahhh like micropops. I've been spoiled and always had either a closet,
large site box, connex, or tower shack to put gear in.

On Jan 8, 2017 8:35 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> Yup, I've replaced a few 2011's wuth 3011's, and since the enclosures at
> those sites were too small for the rackmount case, I just put them into the
> 2011 cases and they fit perfectly.
>
> On Jan 8, 2017 8:22 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> I assume he is scavenging the case from a 2011 and slipping the 3011 into
>> it.  I’ve wondered if that would work, I guess the answer is yes.  Since
>> I’m replacing 2011’s with 3011’s, that would be a viable approach.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it that simple, or does it involve some mods?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 8, 2017 8:05 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RB3011
>>
>>
>>
>> If you can't fit the rackmount form-factor in your enclosure, it seems
>> pretty logical to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 8:50 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ... but why :)
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 7:40 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>> > To fit in boxes that are too small for the rackmount case.
>> >
>> > On Jan 8, 2017 7:17 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>> >>
>>
>> >> Why are you replacing their cases?
>> >>
>> >> On Jan 8, 2017 7:15 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> We have a few running. No problems with current firmware... My only
>> >>> complaint is that they don't sell one in a desktop case, and I'm
>> running out
>> >>> of 2011's to gut...
>> >>>
>> >>> On Jan 8, 2017 7:04 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>> 
>>  Works as advertised, once I upgraded firmware.  It was really hosed
>> with
>>  the shipping firmware but they’ve probably fixed that by now.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
>>  Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:57 PM
>>  To: af@afmug.com
>>  Subject: [AFMUG] RB3011
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Anyone using these?  Good, bad, ugly?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Also, I'm looking to power one from a 48v Eltek setup, any
>>  recommendations on a DC/DC converter?
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

[Chuck McCown]

I googled UAP-AC-HD  and did not get any hits on a reseller.  Is there a better 
way of forming the part number?  Streakwave sell them?

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 6:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

Side note: my house is around 2200sq/ft not counting the basement. I run 4 APs 
to cover the house, property, and the barn out back. (Still there from the 
early 1900s when it was a farm).

On Jan 8, 2017 7:15 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

  The new UAP-AC-HD is 802.11AC wave2, and has 3 internal SoCs: one for each 
band (2.4/5) and one for Ethernet and management. Dual Ethernet ports, 
802.3ad/LACP support for them soon. 

  Very good AP.

  On Jan 8, 2017 7:12 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Is Unifi all the latest AC dual band etc etc?
I should upgrade the 844 and see if there is a difference.  

From: Joe Novak 
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 5:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

Unifi also works well for me. 

I saw similar problems with the 844E here. It didn't cover my house well 
when in the basement. I had to move it to a more central location and even then 
had hiccups with DLNA streaming on 5ghz. I wasn't running the latest firmware, 
I've been meaning to try it again.

All because I'm too lazy to run coax to my bedroom...

On Jan 8, 2017 6:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  UniFi works for me very well... 

  On Jan 8, 2017 4:43 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

My Calix 844E is OK, but the RF seems weak.  

Might need upgrading  but I have lost he password.  The factory 
password does not work.  May have to default it.  

I can see a neighbors router that lives about 1000 feet from me.  
Wonder if he can see all my routers.

Any recommendations for routers?  Anything new out there that is really 
asskicking?

Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

[Chuck McCown]

Is this what I want?
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-802-11ac-Dual-Radio-UAP-AC-PRO-US/dp/B015PRO512/ref=pd_lpo_147_bs_t_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=0YMAAXHXMMMPE0N45MD4

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 7:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

I googled UAP-AC-HD  and did not get any hits on a reseller.  Is there a better 
way of forming the part number?  Streakwave sell them?

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 6:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

Side note: my house is around 2200sq/ft not counting the basement. I run 4 APs 
to cover the house, property, and the barn out back. (Still there from the 
early 1900s when it was a farm).

On Jan 8, 2017 7:15 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

  The new UAP-AC-HD is 802.11AC wave2, and has 3 internal SoCs: one for each 
band (2.4/5) and one for Ethernet and management. Dual Ethernet ports, 
802.3ad/LACP support for them soon. 

  Very good AP.

  On Jan 8, 2017 7:12 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Is Unifi all the latest AC dual band etc etc?
I should upgrade the 844 and see if there is a difference.  

From: Joe Novak 
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 5:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

Unifi also works well for me. 

I saw similar problems with the 844E here. It didn't cover my house well 
when in the basement. I had to move it to a more central location and even then 
had hiccups with DLNA streaming on 5ghz. I wasn't running the latest firmware, 
I've been meaning to try it again.

All because I'm too lazy to run coax to my bedroom...

On Jan 8, 2017 6:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  UniFi works for me very well... 

  On Jan 8, 2017 4:43 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

My Calix 844E is OK, but the RF seems weak.  

Might need upgrading  but I have lost he password.  The factory 
password does not work.  May have to default it.  

I can see a neighbors router that lives about 1000 feet from me.  
Wonder if he can see all my routers.

Any recommendations for routers?  Anything new out there that is really 
asskicking?

Re: [AFMUG] RB3011

[Rory Conaway]

I want a CCR with 5 ports like the 850x2.  Need the speed and size but don’t 
need 10 ports.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 7:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RB3011

Ahhh like micropops. I've been spoiled and always had either a closet, large 
site box, connex, or tower shack to put gear in.

On Jan 8, 2017 8:35 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yup, I've replaced a few 2011's wuth 3011's, and since the enclosures at those 
sites were too small for the rackmount case, I just put them into the 2011 
cases and they fit perfectly.

On Jan 8, 2017 8:22 PM, "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> 
wrote:
I assume he is scavenging the case from a 2011 and slipping the 3011 into it.  
I’ve wondered if that would work, I guess the answer is yes.  Since I’m 
replacing 2011’s with 3011’s, that would be a viable approach.

Is it that simple, or does it involve some mods?


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Baird
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 8:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RB3011

If you can't fit the rackmount form-factor in your enclosure, it seems pretty 
logical to me.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 8:50 PM, Josh Reynolds 
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
... but why :)

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 7:40 PM, Mathew Howard 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> To fit in boxes that are too small for the rackmount case.
>
> On Jan 8, 2017 7:17 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
> mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Why are you replacing their cases?
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2017 7:15 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
>> mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We have a few running. No problems with current firmware... My only
>>> complaint is that they don't sell one in a desktop case, and I'm running out
>>> of 2011's to gut...
>>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2017 7:04 PM, "Ken Hohhof" 
>>> mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

 Works as advertised, once I upgraded firmware.  It was really hosed with
 the shipping firmware but they’ve probably fixed that by now.





 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On 
 Behalf Of Jason McKemie
 Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:57 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] RB3011



 Anyone using these?  Good, bad, ugly?



 Also, I'm looking to power one from a 48v Eltek setup, any
 recommendations on a DC/DC converter?

Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

[Josh Reynolds]

No. I think you can buy them from the UBNT beta store right now.

On Jan 8, 2017 8:52 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Is this what I want?
> https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-802-11ac-
> Dual-Radio-UAP-AC-PRO-US/dp/B015PRO512/ref=pd_lpo_147_bs_
> t_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=0YMAAXHXMMMPE0N45MD4
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 08, 2017 7:50 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -
>
> I googled UAP-AC-HD  and did not get any hits on a reseller.  Is there a
> better way of forming the part number?  Streakwave sell them?
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 08, 2017 6:17 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -
>
> Side note: my house is around 2200sq/ft not counting the basement. I run 4
> APs to cover the house, property, and the barn out back. (Still there from
> the early 1900s when it was a farm).
>
> On Jan 8, 2017 7:15 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> The new UAP-AC-HD is 802.11AC wave2, and has 3 internal SoCs: one for
>> each band (2.4/5) and one for Ethernet and management. Dual Ethernet ports,
>> 802.3ad/LACP support for them soon.
>>
>> Very good AP.
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2017 7:12 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> Is Unifi all the latest AC dual band etc etc?
>>> I should upgrade the 844 and see if there is a difference.
>>>
>>> *From:* Joe Novak
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 08, 2017 5:11 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -
>>>
>>> Unifi also works well for me.
>>>
>>> I saw similar problems with the 844E here. It didn't cover my house well
>>> when in the basement. I had to move it to a more central location and even
>>> then had hiccups with DLNA streaming on 5ghz. I wasn't running the latest
>>> firmware, I've been meaning to try it again.
>>>
>>> All because I'm too lazy to run coax to my bedroom...
>>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2017 6:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 UniFi works for me very well...

 On Jan 8, 2017 4:43 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> My Calix 844E is OK, but the RF seems weak.
>
> Might need upgrading  but I have lost he password.  The factory
> password does not work.  May have to default it.
>
> I can see a neighbors router that lives about 1000 feet from me.
> Wonder if he can see all my routers.
>
> Any recommendations for routers?  Anything new out there that is
> really asskicking?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

[Chuck McCown]

Out of stock.

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 8:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

No. I think you can buy them from the UBNT beta store right now.

On Jan 8, 2017 8:52 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Is this what I want?
  
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-802-11ac-Dual-Radio-UAP-AC-PRO-US/dp/B015PRO512/ref=pd_lpo_147_bs_t_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=0YMAAXHXMMMPE0N45MD4

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 7:50 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

  I googled UAP-AC-HD  and did not get any hits on a reseller.  Is there a 
better way of forming the part number?  Streakwave sell them?

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 6:17 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

  Side note: my house is around 2200sq/ft not counting the basement. I run 4 
APs to cover the house, property, and the barn out back. (Still there from the 
early 1900s when it was a farm).

  On Jan 8, 2017 7:15 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

The new UAP-AC-HD is 802.11AC wave2, and has 3 internal SoCs: one for each 
band (2.4/5) and one for Ethernet and management. Dual Ethernet ports, 
802.3ad/LACP support for them soon. 

Very good AP.

On Jan 8, 2017 7:12 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Is Unifi all the latest AC dual band etc etc?
  I should upgrade the 844 and see if there is a difference.  

  From: Joe Novak 
  Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 5:11 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

  Unifi also works well for me. 

  I saw similar problems with the 844E here. It didn't cover my house well 
when in the basement. I had to move it to a more central location and even then 
had hiccups with DLNA streaming on 5ghz. I wasn't running the latest firmware, 
I've been meaning to try it again.

  All because I'm too lazy to run coax to my bedroom...

  On Jan 8, 2017 6:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

UniFi works for me very well... 

On Jan 8, 2017 4:43 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  My Calix 844E is OK, but the RF seems weak.  

  Might need upgrading  but I have lost he password.  The factory 
password does not work.  May have to default it.  

  I can see a neighbors router that lives about 1000 feet from me.  
Wonder if he can see all my routers.

  Any recommendations for routers?  Anything new out there that is 
really asskicking?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[Jay Weekley]

It would be nice to turn the water heater off and keep my ac/heat on 
minimal settings while I'm away for extended periods and turn them back 
on a few hours before I get home from my phone.


Paul Stewart wrote:


Hehe… there are faucets that you can make “smart” now as well – last I 
looked they were extremely expensive though.


For practical stuff, I really like to know when bathroom lights are 
left on for extended periods of time by kids … when the garage door is 
left open at night etc…. especially with the price of electricity here 
(even with LED lighting) …


Also, when nobody is home for periods of time I’ll get an alert when 
lights are left on … my hot water tank is connected – it stops heating 
the water when nobody is going to be around …


Paul

*From: *Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 


*Reply-To: *
*Date: *Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 4:20 PM
*To: *
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

No, get the dog to take out the trash...

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Sunday, January 08, 2017 1:53 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

I guess I have a DumbHome.

And oddly, the things I might want to check remotely don’t seem to be 
on the list.  Like did someone leave the bathroom faucet running or a 
burner on the stove lit. With  LED lights I don’t obsess that a light 
might be left on for 8 hours.  And I don’t need my fridge ordering 
more eggs from Amazon.


The worst DIY home automation item has to be these Ring Doorbells.  
For the time people spend dealing with their bugs, they could just 
hire someone to house sit and call them when someone is at the door.


Now if I could just get the dog to bring in my wife’s paper in the 
morning.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
*Sent:* Sunday, January 8, 2017 2:40 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

Look at my other posts but in short…

Ecobee3 thermostat system with remote sensors deployed on each floor 
in different areas


Zwave vents that are controlled to maintain temperature in different 
areas of the house


Light switches all GE (which do not have instant status option but 
that’s fine for me) including dimmers


Elk alarm system integrated with controller

Controller is Vera

Amazon Echo/Alexa voice control

Weiser touch screen door locks

Water sensor in basement (zwave)

Whole home energy monitor

List goes on and one J

*From: *Af  on behalf of Tushar Patel 


*Reply-To: *
*Date: *Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 8:40 AM
*To: *
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

Do you have part list you used you can share?

You mentioned Zwave. What else?



Tushar


On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

My house used to run purely on Control4 system .. professionally
installed and quite expensive.  I got sick of $125 service calls
for rather simple stuff to be done and decided to replace it with
a DYI system…. The Control4 system with labour and service calls
etc set me back around $25k in total.

Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested plus my
time … at most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero headaches …. And
no service calls.

The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I
did) is working with electrical in your house … I replaced outlets
and switches for example and the zwave stuff I used is much deeper
than normal switches – I wish now that I had just hired an
electrician to mess around with that stuff in particular as it’s
not something I do every day kind of thing ….

I know someone in my area that does home automation for a living …
done it for years.  He is very busy … his main clients are folks
who have cottages and wish to remotely control/monitor their
properties especially during times they are not visiting it very
much …

Paul

*From: *Af  on behalf of Joe Novak

*Reply-To: *
*Date: *Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:13 PM
*To: *
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/

Just reading that a little bit may peak your interest in the DIY
stuff. I am considering setting up a system at home.
https://home-assistant.io/ is the software I'd like to use to run it.

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:48 PM, jay weekley
 wrote:

That's what I was wondering.  I look at the stuff Lowe's and
wonder how many people have the knowledge to set it all up but
I have zero knowledge in the products.  Maybe it's time to
automate my thermostat.

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Lewis Bergman
 wrote:

There is so much do it yourself gear out there now I would
think the only money would be in the very high end stuff.
Things you probably have to focus as a sole business.

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:23 AM jay weekley
 wrote:

Is there any real money to be ma

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

[Jay Weekley]

When you get hot you get IN the ocean.

CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
You know, I came across one of those on the Alabama Gulf Coast last 
time I vacationed down there -
* it turned off the hot water when no one was there (but broke - and 
did NOT turn the hot water back on!)
* it sensed when a door was open and disabled the air conditioner.  
Well that is just ridiculous!!
I go to the beach to hear the oceanI want to hear the surfand 
not sweat while I do it!
Perhaps I should have tinkered with it(it was October so it wound 
up not being too hot) :)


- Original Message -
*From:* Paul Stewart 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:55 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

Hehe… there are faucets that you can make “smart” now as well –
last I looked they were extremely expensive though.

For practical stuff, I really like to know when bathroom lights
are left on for extended periods of time by kids … when the garage
door is left open at night etc…. especially with the price of
electricity here (even with LED lighting) …

Also, when nobody is home for periods of time I’ll get an alert
when lights are left on … my hot water tank is connected – it
stops heating the water when nobody is going to be around …

Paul

*From: *Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown

*Reply-To: *
*Date: *Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 4:20 PM
*To: *
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

No, get the dog to take out the trash...

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Sunday, January 08, 2017 1:53 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

I guess I have a DumbHome.

And oddly, the things I might want to check remotely don’t seem to
be on the list.  Like did someone leave the bathroom faucet
running or a burner on the stove lit.  With LED lights I don’t
obsess that a light might be left on for 8 hours.  And I don’t
need my fridge ordering more eggs from Amazon.

The worst DIY home automation item has to be these Ring
Doorbells.  For the time people spend dealing with their bugs,
they could just hire someone to house sit and call them when
someone is at the door.

Now if I could just get the dog to bring in my wife’s paper in the
morning.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
*Sent:* Sunday, January 8, 2017 2:40 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

Look at my other posts but in short…

Ecobee3 thermostat system with remote sensors deployed on each
floor in different areas

Zwave vents that are controlled to maintain temperature in
different areas of the house

Light switches all GE (which do not have instant status option but
that’s fine for me) including dimmers

Elk alarm system integrated with controller

Controller is Vera

Amazon Echo/Alexa voice control

Weiser touch screen door locks

Water sensor in basement (zwave)

Whole home energy monitor

List goes on and one J

*From: *Af  on behalf of Tushar Patel

*Reply-To: *
*Date: *Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 8:40 AM
*To: *
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

Do you have part list you used you can share?

You mentioned Zwave. What else?



Tushar


On Jan 8, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

My house used to run purely on Control4 system ..
professionally installed and quite expensive.  I got sick of
$125 service calls for rather simple stuff to be done and
decided to replace it with a DYI system…. The Control4 system
with labour and service calls etc set me back around $25k in
total.

Right now with the DYI system I have probably $4k invested
plus my time … at most.  Zero monthly subscription, zero
headaches …. And no service calls.

The one part though that I think a lot of folks overlook (as I
did) is working with electrical in your house … I replaced
outlets and switches for example and the zwave stuff I used is
much deeper than normal switches – I wish now that I had just
hired an electrician to mess around with that stuff in
particular as it’s not something I do every day kind of thing ….

I know someone in my area that does home automation for a
living … done it for years.  He is very busy … his main
clients are folks who have cottages and wish to remotely
control/monitor their properties especially during times they
are not visiting it very much …

Paul

*From: *Af  on behalf of Joe Novak

*Reply-To: *
*Date: *Friday, January 6, 2017 at 4:13 PM
*To: *
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Home automation

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/

Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

[Josh Reynolds]

:(

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 9:06 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> Out of stock.
>
> From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 8:03 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -
>
> No. I think you can buy them from the UBNT beta store right now.
>
> On Jan 8, 2017 8:52 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> Is this what I want?
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-802-11ac-Dual-Radio-UAP-AC-PRO-US/dp/B015PRO512/ref=pd_lpo_147_bs_t_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=0YMAAXHXMMMPE0N45MD4
>>
>> From: Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 7:50 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -
>>
>> I googled UAP-AC-HD  and did not get any hits on a reseller.  Is there a
>> better way of forming the part number?  Streakwave sell them?
>>
>> From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 6:17 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -
>>
>> Side note: my house is around 2200sq/ft not counting the basement. I run 4
>> APs to cover the house, property, and the barn out back. (Still there from
>> the early 1900s when it was a farm).
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2017 7:15 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>>
>>> The new UAP-AC-HD is 802.11AC wave2, and has 3 internal SoCs: one for
>>> each band (2.4/5) and one for Ethernet and management. Dual Ethernet ports,
>>> 802.3ad/LACP support for them soon.
>>>
>>> Very good AP.
>>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2017 7:12 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

 Is Unifi all the latest AC dual band etc etc?
 I should upgrade the 844 and see if there is a difference.

 From: Joe Novak
 Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 5:11 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

 Unifi also works well for me.

 I saw similar problems with the 844E here. It didn't cover my house well
 when in the basement. I had to move it to a more central location and even
 then had hiccups with DLNA streaming on 5ghz. I wasn't running the latest
 firmware, I've been meaning to try it again.

 All because I'm too lazy to run coax to my bedroom...

 On Jan 8, 2017 6:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:
>
> UniFi works for me very well...
>
> On Jan 8, 2017 4:43 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> My Calix 844E is OK, but the RF seems weak.
>>
>> Might need upgrading  but I have lost he password.  The factory
>> password does not work.  May have to default it.
>>
>> I can see a neighbors router that lives about 1000 feet from me.
>> Wonder if he can see all my routers.
>>
>> Any recommendations for routers?  Anything new out there that is
>> really asskicking?

Re: [AFMUG] Contact for Ritalia Funding or Similar

[Josh Reynolds]

http://www.agilitysolutions.net/leasing.html

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 8:45 PM, Ken Patrick  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Please does anyone have a contact for Ritalia funding or any other equipment
> leasing company.
>
>
> Regards

Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

[Travis Johnson]

I still try and buy CD's when I can... then I copy them to my devices 
(phone, USB stick for the car, etc) and then I still have an actual 
medium for any other device I want to put it on.


Travis


On 1/8/2017 2:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Those of you outside the US or with friends and relatives there, is 
this just a US thing, that all music is either in the cloud and 
streamed, or electronically downloaded to an iPhone/iPod like device?


Amazon pretty much killed off the brick-and-mortar record stores, but 
now I find that even Amazon doesn�t seem too interested in carrying 
CDs.  They may have recent releases, but otherwise what you get is 
other sellers on the Amazon storefront.  And these other sellers are 
predominantly in the UK, followed by Japan and Germany.  Which leads 
me to believe people in those countries still buy CDs, maybe at actual 
record stores.  So is this a cultural difference?  Or is the trend 
just hitting Europe and Japan a little later than here?


One thing I miss are the EP singles, not the 2 songs on 7 inch vinyl, 
more like 4-5 songs on a CD. Often these were exclusive for Borders or 
Barnes & Noble, or sent out to record stores to promote an upcoming 
album. Often they had bonus tracks or live performances that never 
made it to the albums.  I still see a few of these for Barnes & Noble 
but from sellers in the UK, leading me to  believe that even Barnes & 
Noble sells more music at their UK stores than here.


How long before physical media for content distribution is totally 
dead?  Already pretty much true for software and games, plus software 
seems to be going to the subscription model (like Office 365 and Adobe 
Creative Cloud).  I suspect music CDs may not be long for this world, 
even though vinyl has made a comeback � how strange.  Will they stop 
releasing movies on Blu-Ray?  Will they work out DRM so you can buy 
movies via electronic download, or will all video be streamed from the 
cloud?


Maybe what I�m missing is that most people today are never without 
their phones, so that�s the only logical place to have their music.  
I�m probably a dinosaur, sticking a CD in the stereo, or grabbing a 
handful to play in the car.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Oakenfold commercial mixes are good for me. I'm bipolar (literally) so his
mixes in short bursts in a car, surrounded, mimic the upward transition of
a manic episode, without the obligatory terrible decisions and ultimate
regret. Occasionally it can even fully negate a downward spiral. Way
cheaper than lithium and the liver is preserved for more alcohol.

On Jan 8, 2017 9:36 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:

I still try and buy CD's when I can... then I copy them to my devices
(phone, USB stick for the car, etc) and then I still have an actual medium
for any other device I want to put it on.

Travis



On 1/8/2017 2:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Those of you outside the US or with friends and relatives there, is this
just a US thing, that all music is either in the cloud and streamed, or
electronically downloaded to an iPhone/iPod like device?

�

Amazon pretty much killed off the brick-and-mortar record stores, but now I
find that even Amazon doesn�t seem too interested in carrying CDs.�
They may have recent releases, but otherwise what you get is other sellers
on the Amazon storefront.� And these other sellers are predominantly in
the UK, followed by Japan and Germany.� Which leads me to believe people
in those countries still buy CDs, maybe at actual record stores.� So is
this a cultural difference?� Or is the trend just hitting Europe and
Japan a little later than here?

�

One thing I miss are the EP singles, not the 2 songs on 7 inch vinyl, more
like 4-5 songs on a CD.� Often these were exclusive for Borders or Barnes
& Noble, or sent out to record stores to promote an upcoming album.�
Often they had bonus tracks or live performances that never made it to the
albums.� I still see a few of these for Barnes & Noble but from sellers
in the UK, leading me to� believe that even Barnes & Noble sells more
music at their UK stores than here.

�

How long before physical media for content distribution is totally dead?�
Already pretty much true for software and games, plus software seems to be
going to the subscription model (like Office 365 and Adobe Creative
Cloud).� I suspect music CDs may not be long for this world, even though
vinyl has made a comeback � how strange.� Will they stop releasing
movies on Blu-Ray?� Will they work out DRM so you can buy movies via
electronic download, or will all video be streamed from the cloud?

�

Maybe what I�m missing is that most people today are never without their
phones, so that�s the only logical place to have their music.� I�m
probably a dinosaur, sticking a CD in the stereo, or grabbing a handful to
play in the car.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - is the music CD dead?

[Cameron Crum]

Vinyl is definitely making a big comeback. I like this service
http://www.vinylmeplease.com/. Kind of like a Vinyl of the month club but
the packaging is really cool and you can't get the same records other
places.

Renting movies on Vudu gives audio options as well. You can get SD, HD, or
HDX. HDX allows you to get movies in 5.1 or Dolby Digital 7.1.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 10:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Oakenfold commercial mixes are good for me. I'm bipolar (literally) so his
> mixes in short bursts in a car, surrounded, mimic the upward transition of
> a manic episode, without the obligatory terrible decisions and ultimate
> regret. Occasionally it can even fully negate a downward spiral. Way
> cheaper than lithium and the liver is preserved for more alcohol.
>
> On Jan 8, 2017 9:36 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:
>
> I still try and buy CD's when I can... then I copy them to my devices
> (phone, USB stick for the car, etc) and then I still have an actual medium
> for any other device I want to put it on.
>
> Travis
>
>
>
> On 1/8/2017 2:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Those of you outside the US or with friends and relatives there, is this
> just a US thing, that all music is either in the cloud and streamed, or
> electronically downloaded to an iPhone/iPod like device?
>
> �
>
> Amazon pretty much killed off the brick-and-mortar record stores, but now
> I find that even Amazon doesn�t seem too interested in carrying CDs.�
> They may have recent releases, but otherwise what you get is other sellers
> on the Amazon storefront.� And these other sellers are predominantly in
> the UK, followed by Japan and Germany.� Which leads me to believe people
> in those countries still buy CDs, maybe at actual record stores.� So is
> this a cultural difference?� Or is the trend just hitting Europe and
> Japan a little later than here?
>
> �
>
> One thing I miss are the EP singles, not the 2 songs on 7 inch vinyl, more
> like 4-5 songs on a CD.� Often these were exclusive for Borders or Barnes
> & Noble, or sent out to record stores to promote an upcoming album.�
> Often they had bonus tracks or live performances that never made it to the
> albums.� I still see a few of these for Barnes & Noble but from sellers
> in the UK, leading me to� believe that even Barnes & Noble sells more
> music at their UK stores than here.
>
> �
>
> How long before physical media for content distribution is totally
> dead?� Already pretty much true for software and games, plus software
> seems to be going to the subscription model (like Office 365 and Adobe
> Creative Cloud).� I suspect music CDs may not be long for this world,
> even though vinyl has made a comeback � how strange.� Will they stop
> releasing movies on Blu-Ray?� Will they work out DRM so you can buy
> movies via electronic download, or will all video be streamed from the
> cloud?
>
> �
>
> Maybe what I�m missing is that most people today are never without their
> phones, so that�s the only logical place to have their music.� I�m
> probably a dinosaur, sticking a CD in the stereo, or grabbing a handful to
> play in the car.
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -

[Jason McKemie]

Do you have to pay Calix for the latest 844 firmware?

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Is Unifi all the latest AC dual band etc etc?
> I should upgrade the 844 and see if there is a difference.
>
> *From:* Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 08, 2017 5:11 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Home RG routers -
>
> Unifi also works well for me.
>
> I saw similar problems with the 844E here. It didn't cover my house well
> when in the basement. I had to move it to a more central location and even
> then had hiccups with DLNA streaming on 5ghz. I wasn't running the latest
> firmware, I've been meaning to try it again.
>
> All because I'm too lazy to run coax to my bedroom...
>
> On Jan 8, 2017 6:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>
>> UniFi works for me very well...
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2017 4:43 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> My Calix 844E is OK, but the RF seems weak.
>>>
>>> Might need upgrading  but I have lost he password.  The factory password
>>> does not work.  May have to default it.
>>>
>>> I can see a neighbors router that lives about 1000 feet from me.  Wonder
>>> if he can see all my routers.
>>>
>>> Any recommendations for routers?  Anything new out there that is really
>>> asskicking?
>>>
>>