Re: [AFMUG] Y-lanyard preferences

[Josh Reynolds]

Peztl Grillion for positioning.

On Feb 8, 2017 7:48 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> We need to order 2 or 3 y lanyards for climbing and I'm looking for brand
> and model suggestions.  Better get some positioning lanyards as well.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with IDS/IPS systems

[Josh Reynolds]

Suricata > Snort

On Feb 8, 2017 10:27 PM, "Jordan Gregory" 
wrote:

> Call me a glutton for punishment, but I've always been a Cisco IPS/IDS guy
> although Snort is really starting to grow in me these days.
>
> On Feb 8, 2017 10:06 PM, "Jesse DuPont" 
> wrote:
>
>> I think it is a managed service, but it does involve hardware appliances
>> they provide. May not be what you're after...
>>
>> *Jesse DuPont*
>>
>> Network Architect
>> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
>> Celerity Networks LLC
>>
>> Celerity Broadband LLC
>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>>
>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>> On 2/8/17 9:03 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>>
>> This looks like managed services, not hardware/software.  Am I missing
>> something?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Jesse DuPont
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 8, 2017 8:31 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with IDS/IPS systems
>>
>>
>>
>> Dell SecureWorks.
>>
>> *Jesse DuPont*
>>
>> Network Architect
>> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
>> Celerity Networks LLC
>>
>> Celerity Broadband LLC
>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>>
>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>>
>> On 2/8/17 6:28 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>>
>> Apparently Extreme Networking is getting out of the IDS/IPS business.
>> Does anyone have any suggestions who might have similar products they could
>> recommend?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>
>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>
>>
>>
>> *“First rule of Racing, whats behind you does not count.” – Gregory White*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with IDS/IPS systems

[Tyler Treat]

I'm quite happy with our TippingPoint system now that they're out from under 
the burden of HP.  Trend Micro has been very responsive since the acquisition.





From: Af  on behalf of Jordan Gregory 

Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 10:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with IDS/IPS systems

Call me a glutton for punishment, but I've always been a Cisco IPS/IDS guy 
although Snort is really starting to grow in me these days.

On Feb 8, 2017 10:06 PM, "Jesse DuPont" 
> wrote:
I think it is a managed service, but it does involve hardware appliances they 
provide. May not be what you're after...

Jesse DuPont
Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC
Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
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On 2/8/17 9:03 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
This looks like managed services, not hardware/software.  Am I missing 
something?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 8:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with IDS/IPS systems

Dell SecureWorks.
Jesse DuPont
Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC
Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! 
facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
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On 2/8/17 6:28 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
Apparently Extreme Networking is getting out of the IDS/IPS business.  Does 
anyone have any suggestions who might have similar products they could 
recommend?


Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“First rule of Racing, whats behind you does not count.” – Gregory White

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with IDS/IPS systems

[Jordan Gregory]

Call me a glutton for punishment, but I've always been a Cisco IPS/IDS guy
although Snort is really starting to grow in me these days.

On Feb 8, 2017 10:06 PM, "Jesse DuPont" 
wrote:

> I think it is a managed service, but it does involve hardware appliances
> they provide. May not be what you're after...
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC
>
> Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
> On 2/8/17 9:03 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> This looks like managed services, not hardware/software.  Am I missing
> something?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Jesse DuPont
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 8, 2017 8:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with IDS/IPS systems
>
>
>
> Dell SecureWorks.
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC
>
> Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>
> On 2/8/17 6:28 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> Apparently Extreme Networking is getting out of the IDS/IPS business.
> Does anyone have any suggestions who might have similar products they could
> recommend?
>
>
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“First rule of Racing, whats behind you does not count.” – Gregory White*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with IDS/IPS systems

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
I think it is a managed service, but it does involve hardware
appliances they provide. May not be what you're after...


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
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On 2/8/17 9:03 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
This looks like
managed services, not hardware/software.  Am I missing
something?
 
Rory
 

  
From:
Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 8:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with IDS/IPS
systems
  

 
Dell
  SecureWorks.

  Jesse DuPont
  
Network
Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC
Celerity
Broadband LLC
  Like us!
facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  
  


  On 2/8/17 6:28 PM, Rory
  Conaway wrote:


  Apparently Extreme Networking is getting
out of the IDS/IPS business.  Does anyone have any
suggestions who might have similar products they could
recommend?
   
   
  Rory
Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
  4226 S.
37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
  602-426-0542
  r...@triadwireless.net
  www.triadwireless.net
   
  “First
rule of Racing, whats behind you does not count.” –
Gregory White
   

 
  


  

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with IDS/IPS systems

[Rory Conaway]

This looks like managed services, not hardware/software.  Am I missing 
something?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 8:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with IDS/IPS systems

Dell SecureWorks.
Jesse DuPont
Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC
Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
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On 2/8/17 6:28 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
Apparently Extreme Networking is getting out of the IDS/IPS business.  Does 
anyone have any suggestions who might have similar products they could 
recommend?


Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“First rule of Racing, whats behind you does not count.” – Gregory White

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

[Ken Hohhof]

At 15 miles in 11 GHz I get 40+ dB rain fade.  Only acceptable with 5 or 6 GHz 
backup.  I wouldn't even think about trying 18 GHz at that distance.  And this 
is northern Illinois, not a rain forest.

Oh, and you can deny climate change all you want, but in many places the rain 
models are optimistic.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Trey Scarborough
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 9:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

I have a 18ghz 15mile link with no issues. and 4' dishes. It was the only thing 
I could get 80mhz channels in.

shouldn't be a problem with 11ghz at all just depends on the equipment used. It 
also depends on your definition of huge... For some its 3" for others it is 8'. 
completely acceptable for most rain regions with 4' dishes.

On 2/8/2017 7:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/610/img/photo
> s/2017/02/08/94/08/sex-offender-sought.jpg
>
> I've seen this too, doesn't mean I'd recommend anyone do it.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions  
>  omputingSolutionsDeKalb> computing-solutions>
> Midwest Internet Exchange  
>  idwest-internet-exchange>
> The Brothers WISP  
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> --
> *From: *"Jeremy" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 8, 2017 7:51:51 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput
>
> I have seen an 18GHz link that far with 6' dishes.
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Mike Hammett  > wrote:
>
> Not a chance at 18. Maybe 11, but that's even far for 11 GHz without
> huge dishes.
>
> Play with Mimosa's designer, Cambium's LinkPlanner, etc.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> 
> *From: *"Brett A Mansfield"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 8, 2017 7:38:58 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput
>
> Hi,
>
> I've never yet done a licensed link and there is plenty of these two
> frequencies available in my area. I need to be able to get 500Mbps
> at about 15 miles. Is that possible with either of these?
>
> What kind of real world speeds can I expect out of these and what
> channel size do I need to license to get those speeds?
>
> Is there something else I should consider? What brand/model radios
> and dishes, what other frequencies for easier licensing, etc?
>
> It would be great to be able to get a gig that distance, but I'm
> trying to be realistic and get just what I really need to start with.
>
> No legal advice please, just your experience with it and any
> knowledge you'd be able/willing to share with the licensing of these
> frequencies.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

[Trey Scarborough]

I have a 18ghz 15mile link with no issues. and 4' dishes. It was the 
only thing I could get 80mhz channels in.


shouldn't be a problem with 11ghz at all just depends on the equipment 
used. It also depends on your definition of huge... For some its 3" for 
others it is 8'. completely acceptable for most rain regions with 4' dishes.


On 2/8/2017 7:54 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/610/img/photos/2017/02/08/94/08/sex-offender-sought.jpg

I've seen this too, doesn't mean I'd recommend anyone do it.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Jeremy" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 8, 2017 7:51:51 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

I have seen an 18GHz link that far with 6' dishes.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Mike Hammett > wrote:

Not a chance at 18. Maybe 11, but that's even far for 11 GHz without
huge dishes.

Play with Mimosa's designer, Cambium's LinkPlanner, etc.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Brett A Mansfield" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Wednesday, February 8, 2017 7:38:58 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

Hi,

I've never yet done a licensed link and there is plenty of these two
frequencies available in my area. I need to be able to get 500Mbps
at about 15 miles. Is that possible with either of these?

What kind of real world speeds can I expect out of these and what
channel size do I need to license to get those speeds?

Is there something else I should consider? What brand/model radios
and dishes, what other frequencies for easier licensing, etc?

It would be great to be able to get a gig that distance, but I'm
trying to be realistic and get just what I really need to start with.

No legal advice please, just your experience with it and any
knowledge you'd be able/willing to share with the licensing of these
frequencies.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with IDS/IPS systems

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
Dell SecureWorks.


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  

  

On 2/8/17 6:28 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:


  
  
  
  
Apparently Extreme Networking is getting
  out of the IDS/IPS business.  Does anyone have any suggestions
  who might have similar products they could recommend?
 
 
Rory Conaway
• Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th
  Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net
 
“First rule
  of Racing, whats behind you does not count.” – Gregory
  White
 
  


  

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

[Faisal Imtiaz]

for tftp on windows... 

download Klever Group / Pumpkin tftp (google it.. .open source)... 
Very handy... 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Mathew Howard" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 3:17:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

> Using Windows is too complicated for me...

> but here are the relevant commands from my script:

> scp yourconfig.cfg ubnt@192.168.1.20:/tmp/system.cfg
> ssh ubnt@192.168.1.20 save
> ssh ubnt@192.168.1.20 reboot

> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote:

>> Winscp. pscp is a putty "package" though.

>> On Feb 8, 2017 2:10 PM, "Mathew Howard" < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote:

>>> If you're not ending up with default config, I'm pretty sure the recovery 
>>> isn't
>>> working properly... having the reset button disabled doesn't affect that.

>>> It's pretty simple to write a script to load a config file on linux, but 
>>> I'm not
>>> sure what the easiest way to do it on Windows would be. Can Putty do SCP?

>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > 
>>> wrote:

 A simple script to SCP the file over, log in, and run the save operation 
 would
 suffice.

 On Feb 8, 2017 1:10 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com >
 wrote:

> ive been dicking around with this, im able to get the firmware to load, 
> but its
> maintaining configuration, I thought this was supposed to wipe the config 
> as
> well
> we do disable the reset button, could that be what causes this to load 
> but not
> default?

> also, is there a way to tftp a default config file into these bad boys?
> maybe a putty script to ssh in and put our config file in?

> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
> as part
> of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

[Jaime Solorza]

200mbp at 26 miles with 8 ft dish on one end and 3 ft on other.. I didn't
designed,  just fixed mounting and aligned it. But it works

On Feb 8, 2017 6:42 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Not a chance at 18. Maybe 11, but that's even far for 11 GHz without huge
> dishes.
>
> Play with Mimosa's designer, Cambium's LinkPlanner, etc.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Brett A Mansfield" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 8, 2017 7:38:58 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput
>
> Hi,
>
> I've never yet done a licensed link and there is plenty of these two
> frequencies available in my area. I need to be able to get 500Mbps at about
> 15 miles. Is that possible with either of these?
>
> What kind of real world speeds can I expect out of these and what channel
> size do I need to license to get those speeds?
>
> Is there something else I should consider? What brand/model radios and
> dishes, what other frequencies for easier licensing, etc?
>
> It would be great to be able to get a gig that distance, but I'm trying to
> be realistic and get just what I really need to start with.
>
> No legal advice please, just your experience with it and any knowledge
> you'd be able/willing to share with the licensing of these frequencies.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

[Mike Hammett]

If the thoughput isn't there at 99.999%, it's not worth having. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 8:39:06 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput 


Well, he didn't say he needed 500Mbps at 99.999%... 


On Feb 8, 2017 8:03 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




I have a ~14 mile path now that even with 6' dishes, 11 GHz simply won't do. 
99.999% at only a 228 megabit modulation with a PTP820c. I could get 500 with 
both polarities and the 820s. That's a lotta spend for 500 megabit. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 8:01:19 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput 


At 15 miles and 11G 500Mbs is unlikely. 


On Wed, Feb 8, 2017, 7:58 PM Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Even with 6' dishes, availability would have to be pretty poor... unless it's 
in a desert. 


11ghz should be possible, but yeah, probably going to want at least 4' dishes. 
Id you want cheap, either a B11 or AF-11FX link should be able to hit that kind 
of speeds. 


On Feb 8, 2017 7:51 PM, "Jeremy" < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > wrote: 



I have seen an 18GHz link that far with 6' dishes. 


On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Not a chance at 18. Maybe 11, but that's even far for 11 GHz without huge 
dishes. 

Play with Mimosa's designer, Cambium's LinkPlanner, etc. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Brett A Mansfield" < li...@silverlakeinternet.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 7:38:58 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput 

Hi, 

I've never yet done a licensed link and there is plenty of these two 
frequencies available in my area. I need to be able to get 500Mbps at about 15 
miles. Is that possible with either of these? 

What kind of real world speeds can I expect out of these and what channel size 
do I need to license to get those speeds? 

Is there something else I should consider? What brand/model radios and dishes, 
what other frequencies for easier licensing, etc? 

It would be great to be able to get a gig that distance, but I'm trying to be 
realistic and get just what I really need to start with. 

No legal advice please, just your experience with it and any knowledge you'd be 
able/willing to share with the licensing of these frequencies. 

Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield 

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

[Mathew Howard]

Well, he didn't say he needed 500Mbps at 99.999%...

On Feb 8, 2017 8:03 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> I have a ~14 mile path now that even with 6' dishes, 11 GHz simply won't
> do. 99.999% at only a 228 megabit modulation with a PTP820c. I could get
> 500 with both polarities and the 820s. That's a lotta spend for 500 megabit.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 8, 2017 8:01:19 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput
>
> At 15 miles and 11G 500Mbs is unlikely.
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017, 7:58 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> Even with 6' dishes, availability would have to be pretty poor...  unless
>> it's in a desert.
>>
>> 11ghz should be possible, but yeah, probably going to want at least 4'
>> dishes. Id you want cheap, either a B11 or AF-11FX link should be able to
>> hit that kind of speeds.
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2017 7:51 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>>
>> I have seen an 18GHz link that far with 6' dishes.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>> Not a chance at 18. Maybe 11, but that's even far for 11 GHz without huge
>> dishes.
>>
>> Play with Mimosa's designer, Cambium's LinkPlanner, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Brett A Mansfield" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 8, 2017 7:38:58 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've never yet done a licensed link and there is plenty of these two
>> frequencies available in my area. I need to be able to get 500Mbps at about
>> 15 miles. Is that possible with either of these?
>>
>> What kind of real world speeds can I expect out of these and what channel
>> size do I need to license to get those speeds?
>>
>> Is there something else I should consider? What brand/model radios and
>> dishes, what other frequencies for easier licensing, etc?
>>
>> It would be great to be able to get a gig that distance, but I'm trying
>> to be realistic and get just what I really need to start with.
>>
>> No legal advice please, just your experience with it and any knowledge
>> you'd be able/willing to share with the licensing of these frequencies.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

[Jeremy]

I ran a path calc on my 19 mile link and was able to get 99.999% with 6GHz
Trango and 4' dishes.  I have a 6GHz Trango LYNX right now that does
750Mbps.  I know for a fact you can do it with that, and you could go with
the Orion or whatever and get 1Gbps.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> At 15 miles and 11G 500Mbs is unlikely.
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017, 7:58 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> Even with 6' dishes, availability would have to be pretty poor...  unless
>> it's in a desert.
>>
>> 11ghz should be possible, but yeah, probably going to want at least 4'
>> dishes. Id you want cheap, either a B11 or AF-11FX link should be able to
>> hit that kind of speeds.
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2017 7:51 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>>
>> I have seen an 18GHz link that far with 6' dishes.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>> Not a chance at 18. Maybe 11, but that's even far for 11 GHz without huge
>> dishes.
>>
>> Play with Mimosa's designer, Cambium's LinkPlanner, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Brett A Mansfield" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 8, 2017 7:38:58 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've never yet done a licensed link and there is plenty of these two
>> frequencies available in my area. I need to be able to get 500Mbps at about
>> 15 miles. Is that possible with either of these?
>>
>> What kind of real world speeds can I expect out of these and what channel
>> size do I need to license to get those speeds?
>>
>> Is there something else I should consider? What brand/model radios and
>> dishes, what other frequencies for easier licensing, etc?
>>
>> It would be great to be able to get a gig that distance, but I'm trying
>> to be realistic and get just what I really need to start with.
>>
>> No legal advice please, just your experience with it and any knowledge
>> you'd be able/willing to share with the licensing of these frequencies.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

[Mike Hammett]

I have a ~14 mile path now that even with 6' dishes, 11 GHz simply won't do. 
99.999% at only a 228 megabit modulation with a PTP820c. I could get 500 with 
both polarities and the 820s. That's a lotta spend for 500 megabit. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Lewis Bergman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 8:01:19 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput 


At 15 miles and 11G 500Mbs is unlikely. 


On Wed, Feb 8, 2017, 7:58 PM Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Even with 6' dishes, availability would have to be pretty poor... unless it's 
in a desert. 


11ghz should be possible, but yeah, probably going to want at least 4' dishes. 
Id you want cheap, either a B11 or AF-11FX link should be able to hit that kind 
of speeds. 


On Feb 8, 2017 7:51 PM, "Jeremy" < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > wrote: 



I have seen an 18GHz link that far with 6' dishes. 


On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Not a chance at 18. Maybe 11, but that's even far for 11 GHz without huge 
dishes. 

Play with Mimosa's designer, Cambium's LinkPlanner, etc. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Brett A Mansfield" < li...@silverlakeinternet.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 7:38:58 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput 

Hi, 

I've never yet done a licensed link and there is plenty of these two 
frequencies available in my area. I need to be able to get 500Mbps at about 15 
miles. Is that possible with either of these? 

What kind of real world speeds can I expect out of these and what channel size 
do I need to license to get those speeds? 

Is there something else I should consider? What brand/model radios and dishes, 
what other frequencies for easier licensing, etc? 

It would be great to be able to get a gig that distance, but I'm trying to be 
realistic and get just what I really need to start with. 

No legal advice please, just your experience with it and any knowledge you'd be 
able/willing to share with the licensing of these frequencies. 

Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield 

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

[Lewis Bergman]

At 15 miles and 11G 500Mbs is unlikely.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017, 7:58 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Even with 6' dishes, availability would have to be pretty poor...  unless
> it's in a desert.
>
> 11ghz should be possible, but yeah, probably going to want at least 4'
> dishes. Id you want cheap, either a B11 or AF-11FX link should be able to
> hit that kind of speeds.
>
> On Feb 8, 2017 7:51 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>
> I have seen an 18GHz link that far with 6' dishes.
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> Not a chance at 18. Maybe 11, but that's even far for 11 GHz without huge
> dishes.
>
> Play with Mimosa's designer, Cambium's LinkPlanner, etc.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Brett A Mansfield" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 8, 2017 7:38:58 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput
>
> Hi,
>
> I've never yet done a licensed link and there is plenty of these two
> frequencies available in my area. I need to be able to get 500Mbps at about
> 15 miles. Is that possible with either of these?
>
> What kind of real world speeds can I expect out of these and what channel
> size do I need to license to get those speeds?
>
> Is there something else I should consider? What brand/model radios and
> dishes, what other frequencies for easier licensing, etc?
>
> It would be great to be able to get a gig that distance, but I'm trying to
> be realistic and get just what I really need to start with.
>
> No legal advice please, just your experience with it and any knowledge
> you'd be able/willing to share with the licensing of these frequencies.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

[Mathew Howard]

Even with 6' dishes, availability would have to be pretty poor...  unless
it's in a desert.

11ghz should be possible, but yeah, probably going to want at least 4'
dishes. Id you want cheap, either a B11 or AF-11FX link should be able to
hit that kind of speeds.

On Feb 8, 2017 7:51 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

> I have seen an 18GHz link that far with 6' dishes.
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Not a chance at 18. Maybe 11, but that's even far for 11 GHz without huge
>> dishes.
>>
>> Play with Mimosa's designer, Cambium's LinkPlanner, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Brett A Mansfield" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 8, 2017 7:38:58 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've never yet done a licensed link and there is plenty of these two
>> frequencies available in my area. I need to be able to get 500Mbps at about
>> 15 miles. Is that possible with either of these?
>>
>> What kind of real world speeds can I expect out of these and what channel
>> size do I need to license to get those speeds?
>>
>> Is there something else I should consider? What brand/model radios and
>> dishes, what other frequencies for easier licensing, etc?
>>
>> It would be great to be able to get a gig that distance, but I'm trying
>> to be realistic and get just what I really need to start with.
>>
>> No legal advice please, just your experience with it and any knowledge
>> you'd be able/willing to share with the licensing of these frequencies.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

[Mike Hammett]

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/610/img/photos/2017/02/08/94/08/sex-offender-sought.jpg
 

I've seen this too, doesn't mean I'd recommend anyone do it. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jeremy"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 7:51:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput 


I have seen an 18GHz link that far with 6' dishes. 


On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Not a chance at 18. Maybe 11, but that's even far for 11 GHz without huge 
dishes. 

Play with Mimosa's designer, Cambium's LinkPlanner, etc. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Brett A Mansfield" < li...@silverlakeinternet.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 7:38:58 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput 

Hi, 

I've never yet done a licensed link and there is plenty of these two 
frequencies available in my area. I need to be able to get 500Mbps at about 15 
miles. Is that possible with either of these? 

What kind of real world speeds can I expect out of these and what channel size 
do I need to license to get those speeds? 

Is there something else I should consider? What brand/model radios and dishes, 
what other frequencies for easier licensing, etc? 

It would be great to be able to get a gig that distance, but I'm trying to be 
realistic and get just what I really need to start with. 

No legal advice please, just your experience with it and any knowledge you'd be 
able/willing to share with the licensing of these frequencies. 

Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield 

Re: [AFMUG] Y-lanyard preferences

[Bill Prince]

I'm a big fan of shock-absorbing twin-legged lanyards. Be advised that 
the shock absorbers are good for one "shock". Many good choices in the 
$100-$150 range.


   
http://www.midwestunlimited.com/categories/Fall-Protection/Lanyards/Twin-Leg-Lanyards/

bp


On 2/8/2017 5:48 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
We need to order 2 or 3 y lanyards for climbing and I'm looking for 
brand and model suggestions.  Better get some positioning lanyards as 
well.

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

[Jeremy]

I have seen an 18GHz link that far with 6' dishes.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Not a chance at 18. Maybe 11, but that's even far for 11 GHz without huge
> dishes.
>
> Play with Mimosa's designer, Cambium's LinkPlanner, etc.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Brett A Mansfield" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 8, 2017 7:38:58 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput
>
> Hi,
>
> I've never yet done a licensed link and there is plenty of these two
> frequencies available in my area. I need to be able to get 500Mbps at about
> 15 miles. Is that possible with either of these?
>
> What kind of real world speeds can I expect out of these and what channel
> size do I need to license to get those speeds?
>
> Is there something else I should consider? What brand/model radios and
> dishes, what other frequencies for easier licensing, etc?
>
> It would be great to be able to get a gig that distance, but I'm trying to
> be realistic and get just what I really need to start with.
>
> No legal advice please, just your experience with it and any knowledge
> you'd be able/willing to share with the licensing of these frequencies.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
>

[AFMUG] Y-lanyard preferences

[Jay Weekley]

We need to order 2 or 3 y lanyards for climbing and I'm looking for 
brand and model suggestions.  Better get some positioning lanyards as well.

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

[Mike Hammett]

Not a chance at 18. Maybe 11, but that's even far for 11 GHz without huge 
dishes. 

Play with Mimosa's designer, Cambium's LinkPlanner, etc. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Brett A Mansfield"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 7:38:58 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput 

Hi, 

I've never yet done a licensed link and there is plenty of these two 
frequencies available in my area. I need to be able to get 500Mbps at about 15 
miles. Is that possible with either of these? 

What kind of real world speeds can I expect out of these and what channel size 
do I need to license to get those speeds? 

Is there something else I should consider? What brand/model radios and dishes, 
what other frequencies for easier licensing, etc? 

It would be great to be able to get a gig that distance, but I'm trying to be 
realistic and get just what I really need to start with. 

No legal advice please, just your experience with it and any knowledge you'd be 
able/willing to share with the licensing of these frequencies. 

Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield 

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

[Jeremy]

Yes, it is possible.  I'd go 11GHz at that range.  I'd go with 56MHz, but
40MHz would probably do 500Mbps.  I'd go with 4' dishes at that distance.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've never yet done a licensed link and there is plenty of these two
> frequencies available in my area. I need to be able to get 500Mbps at about
> 15 miles. Is that possible with either of these?
>
> What kind of real world speeds can I expect out of these and what channel
> size do I need to license to get those speeds?
>
> Is there something else I should consider? What brand/model radios and
> dishes, what other frequencies for easier licensing, etc?
>
> It would be great to be able to get a gig that distance, but I'm trying to
> be realistic and get just what I really need to start with.
>
> No legal advice please, just your experience with it and any knowledge
> you'd be able/willing to share with the licensing of these frequencies.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>

[AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

[Brett A Mansfield]

Hi,

I've never yet done a licensed link and there is plenty of these two 
frequencies available in my area. I need to be able to get 500Mbps at about 15 
miles. Is that possible with either of these?

What kind of real world speeds can I expect out of these and what channel size 
do I need to license to get those speeds? 

Is there something else I should consider? What brand/model radios and dishes, 
what other frequencies for easier licensing, etc? 

It would be great to be able to get a gig that distance, but I'm trying to be 
realistic and get just what I really need to start with. 

No legal advice please, just your experience with it and any knowledge you'd be 
able/willing to share with the licensing of these frequencies.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

[Tyson Burris]

Just short them when they get salty.
Ride it up or ride it down or both 

Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.
Franklin, IN 46131

317-738-0320 Daytime #
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #
Online: www.surfici.net

VIA WIRELESS

On Feb 8, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:

Too late for FB now… that was a 2012/2013 investment , similar with UBNT, 
bought both cheap

SNAP is not stupid imho, they are going to be a camera company.. Not a 
messaging co

Crossing my fingers on twtr… im loosing on that one

From: Af > on behalf of Ty 
Inc >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 at 8:50 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

UBNT earnings tomorrow.  Looks salty but I want to hear guidance.
Snap is a stupid IPO.  Shove money into Facebook or wait until twitter earnings 
tomorrow and see if the changes earn money.

GoPro is getting real interesting despite all the problems they have had.

I am watching NVDA, AMD, X, COP
MAY go short or long in UBNT AND TWTR
Disney is another I like but they need to dump ESPN

Looking for anything that has great potential and I can spend 100k+ on short 
term


Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.
Franklin, IN 46131

317-738-0320 Daytime #
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #
Online: www.surfici.net

VIA WIRELESS




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



On Feb 7, 2017, at 6:01 PM, Ken Hohhof 
> wrote:

At $53/barrel, I’m not sure it pays to extract that heavy Canadian crude oil.  
Depends on whether the field is already developed and how much processing is 
needed to extract it.  Not like Jed Clampett’s “bubbling crude” where you just 
scoop it up and sell it and buy a mansion in Beverly Hills.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 4:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

Assuming you could sell it at $50 per strand mile, would it be more profitable 
to transport oil or light?

The Keystone pipeline is 30" in diameter and 1744 miles long.  At 100% fill 
ratio thats 698 1" 864 ct ribbon fibers for a total of 603,072 fibers or 
1,051,757,568 strand miles.  We can't get 100% fill so lets just call it one 
billion strand miles.  Even if we discount and charge $25 per strand-mile, we 
could still walk away with 25B per month.

Phase III can do 700,000 bpd. I have no clue what one charges to transport oil, 
but lets call it 10%.  At $53 per barrel, thats 174M per month.

Fiber wins.

























On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
Probably make more money if we distributed beer to the home.  BTTH.

But what kind of beer.  I guess we can stat mux the beer.  Have 24 brands in 
time sequence.  Your tap will have a buffer to extract your favorite brand at 
the same time.  What what kind of bandwidth we will have?  Does Shannon Hartley 
come into play?

From: Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 2:55 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

So you're saying with your system I can get a Maple Syrup Tap in my house?  
STTH?
On 2/7/2017 3:50 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Maple Data Inc.

The sweetest internet on the planet!

From: Joe Novak
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 2:49 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

I'd venture to say you may be able to put a bunch of fiber in them and 
transport maple syrup.

I'd invest.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
Hell no, I gonna stuff them full of fiber.

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 2:43 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

Wait for them to build Trump’s 2 oil pipelines and discover Canadian shale oil 
is too expensive.  Buy the pipelines for cents on the dollar, and use them to 
transport maple syrup.  Even if there’s a spill, how bad can that be?


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 3:28 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

Hmmm, maybe I ought to create a fragrance...

I’ll call it “Allen Bradley”.  Fragrance for tech pros.

(reminiscent of the smell of burning resistors blended with the scent of pizza)

I’m gonna be rich!

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 2:24 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

I 

[AFMUG] Anyone familiar with IDS/IPS systems

[Rory Conaway]

Apparently Extreme Networking is getting out of the IDS/IPS business.  Does 
anyone have any suggestions who might have similar products they could 
recommend?


Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"First rule of Racing, whats behind you does not count." - Gregory White

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

[Gino Villarini]

Too late for FB now… that was a 2012/2013 investment , similar with UBNT, 
bought both cheap

SNAP is not stupid imho, they are going to be a camera company.. Not a 
messaging co

Crossing my fingers on twtr… im loosing on that one

From: Af > on behalf of Ty 
Inc >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 at 8:50 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

UBNT earnings tomorrow.  Looks salty but I want to hear guidance.
Snap is a stupid IPO.  Shove money into Facebook or wait until twitter earnings 
tomorrow and see if the changes earn money.

GoPro is getting real interesting despite all the problems they have had.

I am watching NVDA, AMD, X, COP
MAY go short or long in UBNT AND TWTR
Disney is another I like but they need to dump ESPN

Looking for anything that has great potential and I can spend 100k+ on short 
term


Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.
Franklin, IN 46131

317-738-0320 Daytime #
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #
Online: www.surfici.net

VIA WIRELESS




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Feb 7, 2017, at 6:01 PM, Ken Hohhof 
> wrote:

At $53/barrel, I’m not sure it pays to extract that heavy Canadian crude oil.  
Depends on whether the field is already developed and how much processing is 
needed to extract it.  Not like Jed Clampett’s “bubbling crude” where you just 
scoop it up and sell it and buy a mansion in Beverly Hills.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 4:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

Assuming you could sell it at $50 per strand mile, would it be more profitable 
to transport oil or light?

The Keystone pipeline is 30" in diameter and 1744 miles long.  At 100% fill 
ratio thats 698 1" 864 ct ribbon fibers for a total of 603,072 fibers or 
1,051,757,568 strand miles.  We can't get 100% fill so lets just call it one 
billion strand miles.  Even if we discount and charge $25 per strand-mile, we 
could still walk away with 25B per month.

Phase III can do 700,000 bpd. I have no clue what one charges to transport oil, 
but lets call it 10%.  At $53 per barrel, thats 174M per month.

Fiber wins.

























On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
Probably make more money if we distributed beer to the home.  BTTH.

But what kind of beer.  I guess we can stat mux the beer.  Have 24 brands in 
time sequence.  Your tap will have a buffer to extract your favorite brand at 
the same time.  What what kind of bandwidth we will have?  Does Shannon Hartley 
come into play?

From: Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 2:55 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

So you're saying with your system I can get a Maple Syrup Tap in my house?  
STTH?
On 2/7/2017 3:50 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Maple Data Inc.

The sweetest internet on the planet!

From: Joe Novak
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 2:49 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

I'd venture to say you may be able to put a bunch of fiber in them and 
transport maple syrup.

I'd invest.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
Hell no, I gonna stuff them full of fiber.

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 2:43 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

Wait for them to build Trump’s 2 oil pipelines and discover Canadian shale oil 
is too expensive.  Buy the pipelines for cents on the dollar, and use them to 
transport maple syrup.  Even if there’s a spill, how bad can that be?


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 3:28 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

Hmmm, maybe I ought to create a fragrance...

I’ll call it “Allen Bradley”.  Fragrance for tech pros.

(reminiscent of the smell of burning resistors blended with the scent of pizza)

I’m gonna be rich!

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 2:24 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

I also read their biggest money maker now is not the books, or streaming, or 
any other crap they sell in their store.
It's AWS.  Which started out as a side thing they were doing.

It's like if an ISP started selling books on the side, and the book business 
took off better than the ISP.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

[Tyson Burris]

UBNT earnings tomorrow.  Looks salty but I want to hear guidance.
Snap is a stupid IPO.  Shove money into Facebook or wait until twitter earnings 
tomorrow and see if the changes earn money.

GoPro is getting real interesting despite all the problems they have had.

I am watching NVDA, AMD, X, COP
MAY go short or long in UBNT AND TWTR
Disney is another I like but they need to dump ESPN

Looking for anything that has great potential and I can spend 100k+ on short 
term


Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.
Franklin, IN 46131

317-738-0320 Daytime #
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #
Online: www.surfici.net

VIA WIRELESS

On Feb 7, 2017, at 6:01 PM, Ken Hohhof 
> wrote:

At $53/barrel, I’m not sure it pays to extract that heavy Canadian crude oil.  
Depends on whether the field is already developed and how much processing is 
needed to extract it.  Not like Jed Clampett’s “bubbling crude” where you just 
scoop it up and sell it and buy a mansion in Beverly Hills.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 4:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

Assuming you could sell it at $50 per strand mile, would it be more profitable 
to transport oil or light?

The Keystone pipeline is 30" in diameter and 1744 miles long.  At 100% fill 
ratio thats 698 1" 864 ct ribbon fibers for a total of 603,072 fibers or 
1,051,757,568 strand miles.  We can't get 100% fill so lets just call it one 
billion strand miles.  Even if we discount and charge $25 per strand-mile, we 
could still walk away with 25B per month.

Phase III can do 700,000 bpd. I have no clue what one charges to transport oil, 
but lets call it 10%.  At $53 per barrel, thats 174M per month.

Fiber wins.

























On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
Probably make more money if we distributed beer to the home.  BTTH.

But what kind of beer.  I guess we can stat mux the beer.  Have 24 brands in 
time sequence.  Your tap will have a buffer to extract your favorite brand at 
the same time.  What what kind of bandwidth we will have?  Does Shannon Hartley 
come into play?

From: Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 2:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

So you're saying with your system I can get a Maple Syrup Tap in my house?  
STTH?
On 2/7/2017 3:50 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Maple Data Inc.

The sweetest internet on the planet!

From: Joe Novak
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 2:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

I'd venture to say you may be able to put a bunch of fiber in them and 
transport maple syrup.

I'd invest.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
Hell no, I gonna stuff them full of fiber.

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 2:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

Wait for them to build Trump’s 2 oil pipelines and discover Canadian shale oil 
is too expensive.  Buy the pipelines for cents on the dollar, and use them to 
transport maple syrup.  Even if there’s a spill, how bad can that be?


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 3:28 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

Hmmm, maybe I ought to create a fragrance...

I’ll call it “Allen Bradley”.  Fragrance for tech pros.

(reminiscent of the smell of burning resistors blended with the scent of pizza)

I’m gonna be rich!

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 2:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

I also read their biggest money maker now is not the books, or streaming, or 
any other crap they sell in their store.
It's AWS.  Which started out as a side thing they were doing.

It's like if an ISP started selling books on the side, and the book business 
took off better than the ISP.


-- Original Message --
From: "Travis Johnson" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/7/2017 4:10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

Didn't it only take Amazon 15+ years to become profitable?? LOL

Travis
On 2/7/2017 1:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
They have a statement in their prospectus that they may never achieve 
profitability.

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 1:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

Anybody waiting for the Snap, Inc. IPO?

On Feb 7, 2017 11:17 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:
TOGS is up and coming, getting in on the ground floor is an 

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

[George Skorup]

Well, what I did was upgraded a defaulted radio to 3.2.2, configured it, 
exported the text config, then factory defaulted it and tried to import 
that backup text config file and it fails with the hash errors. Haven't 
looked into it further.


On 2/8/2017 5:53 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
I started getting password hash errors on, 3.2 or 3.2.1 using the .bin 
config file that I had been using forever, so I made a new .json 
config file with 3.2.1 and it's been working fine on 3.2.1 and 3.2.2. 
There must've been some password changes somewhere around 3.2


On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 5:20 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:


I just get invalid password hash errors when trying to import a
3.2.2 config file.

On 2/8/2017 4:27 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Actually the text config file does save the passwords now. I
just tried loading a config through the cli, and it does appear
to have applied everything properly.

I had no idea you could do this... thanks, Josh!

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:

You can wget a config with the epmp cli, however, you can't
do any binary stuff - like the login =(


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Mathew Howard
> wrote:

Not that I know of... I think you can have cnMaestro
apply a template when you onboard devices, but I haven't
gotten around to figuring out how all that works yet.

If I understand it right, it should be possible to get
everything setup so you just have to plug the radios in
and wait while cnMaestro does all the work...

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:04 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> wrote:

man this is so much faster than web interface
loading, I almost wish we were still growing the ubnt
network now


is there a similar method for epmp?

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Mathew Howard
>
wrote:

Using Windows is too complicated for me...

but here are the relevant commands from my script:

scp yourconfig.cfg ubnt@192.168.1.20:/tmp/system
.cfg
ssh ubnt@192.168.1.20  save
ssh ubnt@192.168.1.20 
reboot



On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Josh Reynolds
> wrote:

Winscp. pscp is a putty "package" though.

On Feb 8, 2017 2:10 PM, "Mathew Howard"
> wrote:

If you're not ending up with default
config, I'm pretty sure the recovery
isn't working properly... having the
reset button disabled doesn't affect that.

It's pretty simple to write a script to
load a config file on linux, but I'm not
sure what the easiest way to do it on
Windows would be. Can Putty do SCP?

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Josh
Reynolds > wrote:

A simple script to SCP the file over,
log in, and run the save operation
would suffice.

On Feb 8, 2017 1:10 PM, "That One Guy
/sarcasm" >
wrote:

ive been dicking around with
this, im able to get the firmware
to load, but its maintaining
configuration, I thought this was
supposed to wipe the config as well
we do disable the reset button,

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

[Mathew Howard]

I started getting password hash errors on, 3.2 or 3.2.1 using the .bin
config file that I had been using forever, so I made a new .json config
file with 3.2.1 and it's been working fine on 3.2.1 and 3.2.2. There
must've been some password changes somewhere around 3.2

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 5:20 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> I just get invalid password hash errors when trying to import a 3.2.2
> config file.
>
> On 2/8/2017 4:27 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> Actually the text config file does save the passwords now. I just
> tried loading a config through the cli, and it does appear to have applied
> everything properly.
>
> I had no idea you could do this... thanks, Josh!
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> You can wget a config with the epmp cli, however, you can't do any binary
>> stuff - like the login =(
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not that I know of... I think you can have cnMaestro apply a template
>>> when you onboard devices, but I haven't gotten around to figuring out how
>>> all that works yet.
>>>
>>> If I understand it right, it should be possible to get everything setup
>>> so you just have to plug the radios in and wait while cnMaestro does all
>>> the work...
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:04 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 man this is so much faster than web interface loading, I almost wish we
 were still growing the ubnt network now


 is there a similar method for epmp?

 On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

> Using Windows is too complicated for me...
>
> but here are the relevant commands from my script:
>
> scp yourconfig.cfg ubnt@192.168.1.20:/tmp/system.cfg
> ssh ubnt@192.168.1.20 save
> ssh ubnt@192.168.1.20 reboot
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Winscp. pscp is a putty "package" though.
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2017 2:10 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>>
>>> If you're not ending up with default config, I'm pretty sure the
>>> recovery isn't working properly... having the reset button disabled 
>>> doesn't
>>> affect that.
>>>
>>> It's pretty simple to write a script to load a config file on linux,
>>> but I'm not sure what the easiest way to do it on Windows would be. Can
>>> Putty do SCP?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 A simple script to SCP the file over, log in, and run the save
 operation would suffice.

 On Feb 8, 2017 1:10 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ive been dicking around with this, im able to get the firmware to
> load, but its maintaining configuration, I thought this was supposed 
> to
> wipe the config as well
> we do disable the reset button, could that be what causes this to
> load but not default?
>
> also, is there a way to tftp a default config file into these bad
> boys?
> maybe a putty script to ssh in and put our config file in?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
> your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the 
> team.
>

>>>
>


 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sonos and edgerouter

[Josh Reynolds]

Alternatively, you could fucking learn some skills. :)

-

Sonos is not very network aware, and really doesn't understand the concept
of routing packets at all. It uses udp broadcast floods to discover. This
means you will want your Sonos devices and controller on the same layer2
network, aka a switch. If you're using an edgerouter lite, it only has a
software bridge... Not a switch chip. If you're using an edgerouter POE,
only the last 3 ports are switched. If you're using an edgerouter X, all of
the ports can be on the same switch chip if you want them to be.

Alternatively, someone made a UDP listener / repeater for EdgeOS to forward
packets between interfaces just for situations like this. The GitHub and
instructions can be found here:
https://github.com/nomeata/udp-broadcast-relay



On Feb 8, 2017 3:50 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> Replace the EdgeRouter with anything else?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Timothy Steele 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone know how to get Sonos to work with edgeOS edgerouter?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

[George Skorup]

I just get invalid password hash errors when trying to import a 3.2.2 
config file.


On 2/8/2017 4:27 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Actually the text config file does save the passwords now. I just 
tried loading a config through the cli, and it does appear to have 
applied everything properly.


I had no idea you could do this... thanks, Josh!

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:


You can wget a config with the epmp cli, however, you can't do any
binary stuff - like the login =(


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Mathew Howard
> wrote:

Not that I know of... I think you can have cnMaestro apply a
template when you onboard devices, but I haven't gotten around
to figuring out how all that works yet.

If I understand it right, it should be possible to get
everything setup so you just have to plug the radios in and
wait while cnMaestro does all the work...

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:04 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>
wrote:

man this is so much faster than web interface loading, I
almost wish we were still growing the ubnt network now


is there a similar method for epmp?

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Mathew Howard
> wrote:

Using Windows is too complicated for me...

but here are the relevant commands from my script:

scp yourconfig.cfg ubnt@192.168.1.20:/tmp/system.cfg
ssh ubnt@192.168.1.20  save
ssh ubnt@192.168.1.20  reboot



On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Josh Reynolds
>
wrote:

Winscp. pscp is a putty "package" though.

On Feb 8, 2017 2:10 PM, "Mathew Howard"
> wrote:

If you're not ending up with default config,
I'm pretty sure the recovery isn't working
properly... having the reset button disabled
doesn't affect that.

It's pretty simple to write a script to load a
config file on linux, but I'm not sure what
the easiest way to do it on Windows would be.
Can Putty do SCP?

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Josh Reynolds
> wrote:

A simple script to SCP the file over, log
in, and run the save operation would suffice.

On Feb 8, 2017 1:10 PM, "That One Guy
/sarcasm" > wrote:

ive been dicking around with this, im
able to get the firmware to load, but
its maintaining configuration, I
thought this was supposed to wipe the
config as well
we do disable the reset button, could
that be what causes this to load but
not default?

also, is there a way to tftp a default
config file into these bad boys?
maybe a putty script to ssh in and put
our config file in?

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of

the team but you don't see your team
as part of yourself you have already
failed as part of the team.






-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but

you don't see your team as part of yourself you
have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Knoxville TN tower source

[Timothy Steele]

Anyone have a good source for buying towers near Knoxville TN?

Thanks,

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

[Mathew Howard]

Actually the text config file does save the passwords now. I just tried
loading a config through the cli, and it does appear to have applied
everything properly.

I had no idea you could do this... thanks, Josh!

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> You can wget a config with the epmp cli, however, you can't do any binary
> stuff - like the login =(
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Not that I know of... I think you can have cnMaestro apply a template
>> when you onboard devices, but I haven't gotten around to figuring out how
>> all that works yet.
>>
>> If I understand it right, it should be possible to get everything setup
>> so you just have to plug the radios in and wait while cnMaestro does all
>> the work...
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:04 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> man this is so much faster than web interface loading, I almost wish we
>>> were still growing the ubnt network now
>>>
>>>
>>> is there a similar method for epmp?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Using Windows is too complicated for me...

 but here are the relevant commands from my script:

 scp yourconfig.cfg ubnt@192.168.1.20:/tmp/system.cfg
 ssh ubnt@192.168.1.20 save
 ssh ubnt@192.168.1.20 reboot



 On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

> Winscp. pscp is a putty "package" though.
>
> On Feb 8, 2017 2:10 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>
>> If you're not ending up with default config, I'm pretty sure the
>> recovery isn't working properly... having the reset button disabled 
>> doesn't
>> affect that.
>>
>> It's pretty simple to write a script to load a config file on linux,
>> but I'm not sure what the easiest way to do it on Windows would be. Can
>> Putty do SCP?
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A simple script to SCP the file over, log in, and run the save
>>> operation would suffice.
>>>
>>> On Feb 8, 2017 1:10 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 ive been dicking around with this, im able to get the firmware to
 load, but its maintaining configuration, I thought this was supposed to
 wipe the config as well
 we do disable the reset button, could that be what causes this to
 load but not default?

 also, is there a way to tftp a default config file into these bad
 boys?
 maybe a putty script to ssh in and put our config file in?

 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

[Robert Andrews]

Powerwall

On 02/08/2017 02:22 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

As we move toward more plug-in electric vehicles, the idea seems to be they 
will charge at your house in the middle of the night.  But assuming we also 
move toward more wind and solar energy, the middle of the night is not a good 
time (no sun, no wind).  So should we instead be thinking about charging our 
EVs in the parking lot at work?  Maybe put a solar panel on the roof of the 
vehicle so it doesn't have to be plugged in?  Where is this all going?  
DeLoreans that run on trash?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 4:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

I get 100% credit for the energy I produce.  I have an $8.50 minimum bill.
But if I am a net producer, the account gets zeroed out each March.  I will not 
lose much as my array is sized just about right.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2017 3:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

At least here in NV, it's only a 9/10ths offset and the offset is calculated 
month to month and settled at the end of the year.

On 02/08/2017 12:00 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

There are numerous things which at utility-scale become more feasible
when storing energy.  Flow batteries are a good example.   Another is
storage of energy via various methods of potential energy such as
pumping water to a reservoir.   Or cracking hydrogen from water and then
burning it when you need it.  Or dozens of other options.

I don't feel that every one of us maintaining our own storage system
is necessarily the most green idea.  Generally as a homeowner I'll end
up buying a solution which may last 5 years and then I have to replace it.
Utilities can afford to buy 20 or 30 year lifetime storage plants.
When the conversation becomes 'how do we reform the grid so it is now
a sharing and storage system' then we can start talking about useful
things with the grid - and how to pay for it.   The problem is that the
concept of what the grid is is not in line with what it needs to be come.

The other thing you need to realize is that the cost of maintaining
the grid is the same whether you use it or not.  The line to my house
costs the energy company the exact same money to maintain it whether I
pull no energy or a lot of energy.  The sizing of the line is based on
peaks, not consumption.  Just like sizing a wireless network - you
have to plan for worst case and your costs for the transmission lines
are set based on that worst case load.  The problem is that the
billing for the transmission lines has always been set based on usage, not peak 
load.
Solar is changing the ratio of demand to usage and in many cases
making it worse.  I know of at least a few homeowners who have moved
their home heating to 100% electric - increasing their demand on the
grid during winter, and offsetting that 100% with solar during the summer 
months.
The system needs to be sized for the winter loads - and the costs
associated with it are incurred accordingly.  So those homeowners have
increased the cost of the transmission system by their winter demand,
yet are not paying anything at all to the utility company.  (In the
cases I know of the net metering law permits 100% offset of the energy
charges).




On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Robert > wrote:

They cannot "Store Energy" except by the process of not producing
it. i.e. turning the consumption down of fuel, or water or whatever
is turning the turbines.   That does NOT cost them anything except
the lost profit of selling it to you.   The infrastructure is paid
for at construction.  Ask most developers or someone who doesn't
have power already plumbed to a location.   Maintenance, yes it
calculated into the price per KW, and yes there is also fixed fees
that you pay as part of that.  Reducing your consumption should
reduce your part of the Maintenance till you get to the fixed fee.
 But adding another fee because you reduce your consumption is crazy.


On 2/7/17 4:59 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Here's the problem with net metering as I see it:

Today, the simplistic net metering rules which were enacted
basically
require the utility company to take energy from you, "store it"
somehow,
and then return it to you at no cost to you.  So the utility
company is
stuck with footing the bill for maintaining the line to you and
all the
infrastructure needed to fulfill your needs when the sun isn't
down.
This just doesn't seem fare, and yes, it drives the cost up for
all of
the 'solar have-nots'.

On the other hand, some of the stuff the utility companies 

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

[Ken Hohhof]

As we move toward more plug-in electric vehicles, the idea seems to be they 
will charge at your house in the middle of the night.  But assuming we also 
move toward more wind and solar energy, the middle of the night is not a good 
time (no sun, no wind).  So should we instead be thinking about charging our 
EVs in the parking lot at work?  Maybe put a solar panel on the roof of the 
vehicle so it doesn't have to be plugged in?  Where is this all going?  
DeLoreans that run on trash?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 4:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

I get 100% credit for the energy I produce.  I have an $8.50 minimum bill. 
But if I am a net producer, the account gets zeroed out each March.  I will not 
lose much as my array is sized just about right.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2017 3:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

At least here in NV, it's only a 9/10ths offset and the offset is calculated 
month to month and settled at the end of the year.

On 02/08/2017 12:00 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
> There are numerous things which at utility-scale become more feasible
> when storing energy.  Flow batteries are a good example.   Another is
> storage of energy via various methods of potential energy such as
> pumping water to a reservoir.   Or cracking hydrogen from water and then
> burning it when you need it.  Or dozens of other options.
>
> I don't feel that every one of us maintaining our own storage system 
> is necessarily the most green idea.  Generally as a homeowner I'll end 
> up buying a solution which may last 5 years and then I have to replace it.
> Utilities can afford to buy 20 or 30 year lifetime storage plants.
> When the conversation becomes 'how do we reform the grid so it is now 
> a sharing and storage system' then we can start talking about useful
> things with the grid - and how to pay for it.   The problem is that the
> concept of what the grid is is not in line with what it needs to be come.
>
> The other thing you need to realize is that the cost of maintaining 
> the grid is the same whether you use it or not.  The line to my house 
> costs the energy company the exact same money to maintain it whether I 
> pull no energy or a lot of energy.  The sizing of the line is based on 
> peaks, not consumption.  Just like sizing a wireless network - you 
> have to plan for worst case and your costs for the transmission lines 
> are set based on that worst case load.  The problem is that the 
> billing for the transmission lines has always been set based on usage, not 
> peak load.
> Solar is changing the ratio of demand to usage and in many cases 
> making it worse.  I know of at least a few homeowners who have moved 
> their home heating to 100% electric - increasing their demand on the 
> grid during winter, and offsetting that 100% with solar during the summer 
> months.
> The system needs to be sized for the winter loads - and the costs 
> associated with it are incurred accordingly.  So those homeowners have 
> increased the cost of the transmission system by their winter demand, 
> yet are not paying anything at all to the utility company.  (In the 
> cases I know of the net metering law permits 100% offset of the energy 
> charges).
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Robert  > wrote:
>
> They cannot "Store Energy" except by the process of not producing
> it. i.e. turning the consumption down of fuel, or water or whatever
> is turning the turbines.   That does NOT cost them anything except
> the lost profit of selling it to you.   The infrastructure is paid
> for at construction.  Ask most developers or someone who doesn't
> have power already plumbed to a location.   Maintenance, yes it
> calculated into the price per KW, and yes there is also fixed fees
> that you pay as part of that.  Reducing your consumption should
> reduce your part of the Maintenance till you get to the fixed fee.
>  But adding another fee because you reduce your consumption is crazy.
>
>
> On 2/7/17 4:59 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Here's the problem with net metering as I see it:
>
> Today, the simplistic net metering rules which were enacted
> basically
> require the utility company to take energy from you, "store it"
> somehow,
> and then return it to you at no cost to you.  So the utility
> company is
> stuck with footing the bill for maintaining the line to you and
> all the
> infrastructure needed to fulfill your needs when the sun isn't 
> down.
> This just doesn't seem fare, and yes, it drives the cost up for
> all of
>

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

[Chuck McCown]

I get 100% credit for the energy I produce.  I have an $8.50 minimum bill. 
But if I am a net producer, the account gets zeroed out each March.  I will 
not lose much as my array is sized just about right.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2017 3:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

At least here in NV, it's only a 9/10ths offset and the offset is
calculated month to month and settled at the end of the year.

On 02/08/2017 12:00 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

There are numerous things which at utility-scale become more feasible
when storing energy.  Flow batteries are a good example.   Another is
storage of energy via various methods of potential energy such as
pumping water to a reservoir.   Or cracking hydrogen from water and then
burning it when you need it.  Or dozens of other options.

I don't feel that every one of us maintaining our own storage system is
necessarily the most green idea.  Generally as a homeowner I'll end up
buying a solution which may last 5 years and then I have to replace it.
Utilities can afford to buy 20 or 30 year lifetime storage plants.
When the conversation becomes 'how do we reform the grid so it is now a
sharing and storage system' then we can start talking about useful
things with the grid - and how to pay for it.   The problem is that the
concept of what the grid is is not in line with what it needs to be come.

The other thing you need to realize is that the cost of maintaining the
grid is the same whether you use it or not.  The line to my house costs
the energy company the exact same money to maintain it whether I pull no
energy or a lot of energy.  The sizing of the line is based on peaks,
not consumption.  Just like sizing a wireless network - you have to plan
for worst case and your costs for the transmission lines are set based
on that worst case load.  The problem is that the billing for the
transmission lines has always been set based on usage, not peak load.
Solar is changing the ratio of demand to usage and in many cases making
it worse.  I know of at least a few homeowners who have moved their home
heating to 100% electric - increasing their demand on the grid during
winter, and offsetting that 100% with solar during the summer months.
The system needs to be sized for the winter loads - and the costs
associated with it are incurred accordingly.  So those homeowners have
increased the cost of the transmission system by their winter demand,
yet are not paying anything at all to the utility company.  (In the
cases I know of the net metering law permits 100% offset of the energy
charges).




On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Robert > wrote:

They cannot "Store Energy" except by the process of not producing
it. i.e. turning the consumption down of fuel, or water or whatever
is turning the turbines.   That does NOT cost them anything except
the lost profit of selling it to you.   The infrastructure is paid
for at construction.  Ask most developers or someone who doesn't
have power already plumbed to a location.   Maintenance, yes it
calculated into the price per KW, and yes there is also fixed fees
that you pay as part of that.  Reducing your consumption should
reduce your part of the Maintenance till you get to the fixed fee.
 But adding another fee because you reduce your consumption is crazy.


On 2/7/17 4:59 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Here's the problem with net metering as I see it:

Today, the simplistic net metering rules which were enacted
basically
require the utility company to take energy from you, "store it"
somehow,
and then return it to you at no cost to you.  So the utility
company is
stuck with footing the bill for maintaining the line to you and
all the
infrastructure needed to fulfill your needs when the sun isn't 
down.

This just doesn't seem fare, and yes, it drives the cost up for
all of
the 'solar have-nots'.

On the other hand, some of the stuff the utility companies are
trying to
get away with is also highway robbery.   Buying at wholesale
rates from
customers and selling it back to them at retail seems unfair.
Charging
"capacity fees" seems bad as well.   The really irritating thing
is the
utilities who are starting to charge a 'solar used on the 
premises'

charge which basically means if you are using solar to reduce
your grid
energy consumption and not selling excess back to the grid, 
they'll

still charge you for being tied to the grid based on how much
capacity
you have.

The quicker that the energy companies figure out that they are
not only
energy providers, but 

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

[Robert Andrews]

At least here in NV, it's only a 9/10ths offset and the offset is 
calculated month to month and settled at the end of the year.


On 02/08/2017 12:00 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

There are numerous things which at utility-scale become more feasible
when storing energy.  Flow batteries are a good example.   Another is
storage of energy via various methods of potential energy such as
pumping water to a reservoir.   Or cracking hydrogen from water and then
burning it when you need it.  Or dozens of other options.

I don't feel that every one of us maintaining our own storage system is
necessarily the most green idea.  Generally as a homeowner I'll end up
buying a solution which may last 5 years and then I have to replace it.
Utilities can afford to buy 20 or 30 year lifetime storage plants.
When the conversation becomes 'how do we reform the grid so it is now a
sharing and storage system' then we can start talking about useful
things with the grid - and how to pay for it.   The problem is that the
concept of what the grid is is not in line with what it needs to be come.

The other thing you need to realize is that the cost of maintaining the
grid is the same whether you use it or not.  The line to my house costs
the energy company the exact same money to maintain it whether I pull no
energy or a lot of energy.  The sizing of the line is based on peaks,
not consumption.  Just like sizing a wireless network - you have to plan
for worst case and your costs for the transmission lines are set based
on that worst case load.  The problem is that the billing for the
transmission lines has always been set based on usage, not peak load.
Solar is changing the ratio of demand to usage and in many cases making
it worse.  I know of at least a few homeowners who have moved their home
heating to 100% electric - increasing their demand on the grid during
winter, and offsetting that 100% with solar during the summer months.
The system needs to be sized for the winter loads - and the costs
associated with it are incurred accordingly.  So those homeowners have
increased the cost of the transmission system by their winter demand,
yet are not paying anything at all to the utility company.  (In the
cases I know of the net metering law permits 100% offset of the energy
charges).




On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Robert > wrote:

They cannot "Store Energy" except by the process of not producing
it. i.e. turning the consumption down of fuel, or water or whatever
is turning the turbines.   That does NOT cost them anything except
the lost profit of selling it to you.   The infrastructure is paid
for at construction.  Ask most developers or someone who doesn't
have power already plumbed to a location.   Maintenance, yes it
calculated into the price per KW, and yes there is also fixed fees
that you pay as part of that.  Reducing your consumption should
reduce your part of the Maintenance till you get to the fixed fee.
 But adding another fee because you reduce your consumption is crazy.


On 2/7/17 4:59 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Here's the problem with net metering as I see it:

Today, the simplistic net metering rules which were enacted
basically
require the utility company to take energy from you, "store it"
somehow,
and then return it to you at no cost to you.  So the utility
company is
stuck with footing the bill for maintaining the line to you and
all the
infrastructure needed to fulfill your needs when the sun isn't down.
This just doesn't seem fare, and yes, it drives the cost up for
all of
the 'solar have-nots'.

On the other hand, some of the stuff the utility companies are
trying to
get away with is also highway robbery.   Buying at wholesale
rates from
customers and selling it back to them at retail seems unfair.
Charging
"capacity fees" seems bad as well.   The really irritating thing
is the
utilities who are starting to charge a 'solar used on the premises'
charge which basically means if you are using solar to reduce
your grid
energy consumption and not selling excess back to the grid, they'll
still charge you for being tied to the grid based on how much
capacity
you have.

The quicker that the energy companies figure out that they are
not only
energy providers, but that they should be energy storage
companies as
well the better.   That way, you could have a 'buy energy from the
energy company' rate, and a 'store energy for me rate'.  And none of
this crap they're trying to pull right now.  If you don't want
to have
the utility company store it for you at whatever rate they're
charging,
 

Re: [AFMUG] Sonos and edgerouter

[Josh Luthman]

Replace the EdgeRouter with anything else?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Timothy Steele 
wrote:

> Anyone know how to get Sonos to work with edgeOS edgerouter?
>
> Thanks,
>

[AFMUG] Sonos and edgerouter

[Timothy Steele]

Anyone know how to get Sonos to work with edgeOS edgerouter?

Thanks,

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

[Josh Luthman]

You can wget a config with the epmp cli, however, you can't do any binary
stuff - like the login =(


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Not that I know of... I think you can have cnMaestro apply a template when
> you onboard devices, but I haven't gotten around to figuring out how all
> that works yet.
>
> If I understand it right, it should be possible to get everything setup so
> you just have to plug the radios in and wait while cnMaestro does all the
> work...
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:04 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> man this is so much faster than web interface loading, I almost wish we
>> were still growing the ubnt network now
>>
>>
>> is there a similar method for epmp?
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Using Windows is too complicated for me...
>>>
>>> but here are the relevant commands from my script:
>>>
>>> scp yourconfig.cfg ubnt@192.168.1.20:/tmp/system.cfg
>>> ssh ubnt@192.168.1.20 save
>>> ssh ubnt@192.168.1.20 reboot
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Winscp. pscp is a putty "package" though.

 On Feb 8, 2017 2:10 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> If you're not ending up with default config, I'm pretty sure the
> recovery isn't working properly... having the reset button disabled 
> doesn't
> affect that.
>
> It's pretty simple to write a script to load a config file on linux,
> but I'm not sure what the easiest way to do it on Windows would be. Can
> Putty do SCP?
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> A simple script to SCP the file over, log in, and run the save
>> operation would suffice.
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2017 1:10 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ive been dicking around with this, im able to get the firmware to
>>> load, but its maintaining configuration, I thought this was supposed to
>>> wipe the config as well
>>> we do disable the reset button, could that be what causes this to
>>> load but not default?
>>>
>>> also, is there a way to tftp a default config file into these bad
>>> boys?
>>> maybe a putty script to ssh in and put our config file in?
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

[Mathew Howard]

Not that I know of... I think you can have cnMaestro apply a template when
you onboard devices, but I haven't gotten around to figuring out how all
that works yet.

If I understand it right, it should be possible to get everything setup so
you just have to plug the radios in and wait while cnMaestro does all the
work...

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:04 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> man this is so much faster than web interface loading, I almost wish we
> were still growing the ubnt network now
>
>
> is there a similar method for epmp?
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Using Windows is too complicated for me...
>>
>> but here are the relevant commands from my script:
>>
>> scp yourconfig.cfg ubnt@192.168.1.20:/tmp/system.cfg
>> ssh ubnt@192.168.1.20 save
>> ssh ubnt@192.168.1.20 reboot
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Winscp. pscp is a putty "package" though.
>>>
>>> On Feb 8, 2017 2:10 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>>>
 If you're not ending up with default config, I'm pretty sure the
 recovery isn't working properly... having the reset button disabled doesn't
 affect that.

 It's pretty simple to write a script to load a config file on linux,
 but I'm not sure what the easiest way to do it on Windows would be. Can
 Putty do SCP?

 On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

> A simple script to SCP the file over, log in, and run the save
> operation would suffice.
>
> On Feb 8, 2017 1:10 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ive been dicking around with this, im able to get the firmware to
>> load, but its maintaining configuration, I thought this was supposed to
>> wipe the config as well
>> we do disable the reset button, could that be what causes this to
>> load but not default?
>>
>> also, is there a way to tftp a default config file into these bad
>> boys?
>> maybe a putty script to ssh in and put our config file in?
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>

>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

man this is so much faster than web interface loading, I almost wish we
were still growing the ubnt network now


is there a similar method for epmp?

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Using Windows is too complicated for me...
>
> but here are the relevant commands from my script:
>
> scp yourconfig.cfg ubnt@192.168.1.20:/tmp/system.cfg
> ssh ubnt@192.168.1.20 save
> ssh ubnt@192.168.1.20 reboot
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Winscp. pscp is a putty "package" though.
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2017 2:10 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>>
>>> If you're not ending up with default config, I'm pretty sure the
>>> recovery isn't working properly... having the reset button disabled doesn't
>>> affect that.
>>>
>>> It's pretty simple to write a script to load a config file on linux, but
>>> I'm not sure what the easiest way to do it on Windows would be. Can Putty
>>> do SCP?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 A simple script to SCP the file over, log in, and run the save
 operation would suffice.

 On Feb 8, 2017 1:10 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ive been dicking around with this, im able to get the firmware to
> load, but its maintaining configuration, I thought this was supposed to
> wipe the config as well
> we do disable the reset button, could that be what causes this to load
> but not default?
>
> also, is there a way to tftp a default config file into these bad boys?
> maybe a putty script to ssh in and put our config file in?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

>>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

[Mathew Howard]

Using Windows is too complicated for me...

but here are the relevant commands from my script:

scp yourconfig.cfg ubnt@192.168.1.20:/tmp/system.cfg
ssh ubnt@192.168.1.20 save
ssh ubnt@192.168.1.20 reboot



On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Winscp. pscp is a putty "package" though.
>
> On Feb 8, 2017 2:10 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>
>> If you're not ending up with default config, I'm pretty sure the recovery
>> isn't working properly... having the reset button disabled doesn't affect
>> that.
>>
>> It's pretty simple to write a script to load a config file on linux, but
>> I'm not sure what the easiest way to do it on Windows would be. Can Putty
>> do SCP?
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A simple script to SCP the file over, log in, and run the save operation
>>> would suffice.
>>>
>>> On Feb 8, 2017 1:10 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 ive been dicking around with this, im able to get the firmware to load,
 but its maintaining configuration, I thought this was supposed to wipe the
 config as well
 we do disable the reset button, could that be what causes this to load
 but not default?

 also, is there a way to tftp a default config file into these bad boys?
 maybe a putty script to ssh in and put our config file in?

 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

[Josh Reynolds]

Winscp. pscp is a putty "package" though.

On Feb 8, 2017 2:10 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> If you're not ending up with default config, I'm pretty sure the recovery
> isn't working properly... having the reset button disabled doesn't affect
> that.
>
> It's pretty simple to write a script to load a config file on linux, but
> I'm not sure what the easiest way to do it on Windows would be. Can Putty
> do SCP?
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> A simple script to SCP the file over, log in, and run the save operation
>> would suffice.
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2017 1:10 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ive been dicking around with this, im able to get the firmware to load,
>>> but its maintaining configuration, I thought this was supposed to wipe the
>>> config as well
>>> we do disable the reset button, could that be what causes this to load
>>> but not default?
>>>
>>> also, is there a way to tftp a default config file into these bad boys?
>>> maybe a putty script to ssh in and put our config file in?
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

[Mathew Howard]

If you're not ending up with default config, I'm pretty sure the recovery
isn't working properly... having the reset button disabled doesn't affect
that.

It's pretty simple to write a script to load a config file on linux, but
I'm not sure what the easiest way to do it on Windows would be. Can Putty
do SCP?

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> A simple script to SCP the file over, log in, and run the save operation
> would suffice.
>
> On Feb 8, 2017 1:10 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:
>
>> ive been dicking around with this, im able to get the firmware to load,
>> but its maintaining configuration, I thought this was supposed to wipe the
>> config as well
>> we do disable the reset button, could that be what causes this to load
>> but not default?
>>
>> also, is there a way to tftp a default config file into these bad boys?
>> maybe a putty script to ssh in and put our config file in?
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

There are numerous things which at utility-scale become more feasible when
storing energy.  Flow batteries are a good example.   Another is storage of
energy via various methods of potential energy such as pumping water to a
reservoir.   Or cracking hydrogen from water and then burning it when you
need it.  Or dozens of other options.

I don't feel that every one of us maintaining our own storage system is
necessarily the most green idea.  Generally as a homeowner I'll end up
buying a solution which may last 5 years and then I have to replace it.
Utilities can afford to buy 20 or 30 year lifetime storage plants.   When
the conversation becomes 'how do we reform the grid so it is now a sharing
and storage system' then we can start talking about useful things with the
grid - and how to pay for it.   The problem is that the concept of what the
grid is is not in line with what it needs to be come.

The other thing you need to realize is that the cost of maintaining the
grid is the same whether you use it or not.  The line to my house costs the
energy company the exact same money to maintain it whether I pull no energy
or a lot of energy.  The sizing of the line is based on peaks, not
consumption.  Just like sizing a wireless network - you have to plan for
worst case and your costs for the transmission lines are set based on that
worst case load.  The problem is that the billing for the transmission
lines has always been set based on usage, not peak load.  Solar is changing
the ratio of demand to usage and in many cases making it worse.  I know of
at least a few homeowners who have moved their home heating to 100%
electric - increasing their demand on the grid during winter, and
offsetting that 100% with solar during the summer months.   The system
needs to be sized for the winter loads - and the costs associated with it
are incurred accordingly.  So those homeowners have increased the cost of
the transmission system by their winter demand, yet are not paying anything
at all to the utility company.  (In the cases I know of the net metering
law permits 100% offset of the energy charges).




On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Robert  wrote:

> They cannot "Store Energy" except by the process of not producing it. i.e.
> turning the consumption down of fuel, or water or whatever is turning the
> turbines.   That does NOT cost them anything except the lost profit of
> selling it to you.   The infrastructure is paid for at construction.  Ask
> most developers or someone who doesn't have power already plumbed to a
> location.   Maintenance, yes it calculated into the price per KW, and yes
> there is also fixed fees that you pay as part of that.  Reducing your
> consumption should reduce your part of the Maintenance till you get to the
> fixed fee.   But adding another fee because you reduce your consumption is
> crazy.
>
>
> On 2/7/17 4:59 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
>> Here's the problem with net metering as I see it:
>>
>> Today, the simplistic net metering rules which were enacted basically
>> require the utility company to take energy from you, "store it" somehow,
>> and then return it to you at no cost to you.  So the utility company is
>> stuck with footing the bill for maintaining the line to you and all the
>> infrastructure needed to fulfill your needs when the sun isn't down.
>> This just doesn't seem fare, and yes, it drives the cost up for all of
>> the 'solar have-nots'.
>>
>> On the other hand, some of the stuff the utility companies are trying to
>> get away with is also highway robbery.   Buying at wholesale rates from
>> customers and selling it back to them at retail seems unfair.  Charging
>> "capacity fees" seems bad as well.   The really irritating thing is the
>> utilities who are starting to charge a 'solar used on the premises'
>> charge which basically means if you are using solar to reduce your grid
>> energy consumption and not selling excess back to the grid, they'll
>> still charge you for being tied to the grid based on how much capacity
>> you have.
>>
>> The quicker that the energy companies figure out that they are not only
>> energy providers, but that they should be energy storage companies as
>> well the better.   That way, you could have a 'buy energy from the
>> energy company' rate, and a 'store energy for me rate'.  And none of
>> this crap they're trying to pull right now.  If you don't want to have
>> the utility company store it for you at whatever rate they're charging,
>> then you go buy a powerwall and then only buy energy from the utility
>> company when you need a bit here or there (subject to a meter minimum or
>> similar).
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Robert Andrews > > wrote:
>>
>> What really sucks about this deal is that they claim that they do
>> this so rich people who can afford solar are still contributing to
>> the cost of maintaining the grid 

Re: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference

[Daniel White]

Brian Young from ConVergence will be there.

 

Daniel White

Managing Director - Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 4:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] CanWisp Conference

 

Anyone from AF attending the CanWisp conference coming up soon in Gatineau,
QC (Canada)?

 

Thanks,

Paul

 



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Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

[Josh Reynolds]

A simple script to SCP the file over, log in, and run the save operation
would suffice.

On Feb 8, 2017 1:10 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> ive been dicking around with this, im able to get the firmware to load,
> but its maintaining configuration, I thought this was supposed to wipe the
> config as well
> we do disable the reset button, could that be what causes this to load but
> not default?
>
> also, is there a way to tftp a default config file into these bad boys?
> maybe a putty script to ssh in and put our config file in?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

[Josh Reynolds]

If tftp recovery is successful, it completely rewrites the flash which of
course puts the default firmware config on it afterwards.

On Feb 8, 2017 1:10 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> ive been dicking around with this, im able to get the firmware to load,
> but its maintaining configuration, I thought this was supposed to wipe the
> config as well
> we do disable the reset button, could that be what causes this to load but
> not default?
>
> also, is there a way to tftp a default config file into these bad boys?
> maybe a putty script to ssh in and put our config file in?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

[AFMUG] Jirous vs Shenglu high performance 11 GHz antenna for AF11X

[Eric Kuhnke]

Have seen people on another photo posting photos of a high performance
Shenglu 11 GHz antenna used with the AF11X. Has anyone had a chance to
evaluate the Jirous vs. Shenglu antenna side by side (at the same diameter)
with the AF11X?

[AFMUG] tftp ubnt m series

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

ive been dicking around with this, im able to get the firmware to load, but
its maintaining configuration, I thought this was supposed to wipe the
config as well
we do disable the reset button, could that be what causes this to load but
not default?

also, is there a way to tftp a default config file into these bad boys?
maybe a putty script to ssh in and put our config file in?

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Proxmox

[Jason McKemie]

Thanks for the input guys!

On Wednesday, February 8, 2017, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> Answers inline below:-
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jason McKemie"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 8, 2017 12:06:31 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Proxmox
>
> To those of you out there using Proxmox, I have a couple questions.
> I started messing around with this a year or so ago, but have really just
> started to use it in a production environment.
>
> The main thing I'm wondering about is if it is necessary to have a
> separate storage server in place to operate a cluster, or if it is possible
> to use the drive(s) on each node.
>
> You can use it either way... our first & 2nd iterations were using local
> storage on each promox host node. We would store daily backup on an
> external storage box (NFS, Freenas, Zfs etc). and simply restore the KVM
> from backup in case of node failure.
>
> There are folks who used external common storage and as such moving/
> restoring vm's was easy.
>
> Our current iteration is using Proxmox v4 Host+CEPH Node cluster of 3 + 2
> additional Host Nodes.
> (3 HOST are dual purpose, they are being used as Proxmox Hosts as well as
> CEPH nodes). This configuration while heavy on the hardware, allows for
> potential loss of 2 of the storage nodes while still operating.
>
>
> Additionally, is a separate storage server necessary to do backups? It
> isn't obvious to me that there is any way to create or store a backup
> without some sort of network storage that is external to the node(s).
>
> Highly recommended.. for multiple reasons...
> you can create a local data partition (if your local storage is large
> enough) and store backup's locally.
>
> In our first & 2nd gen, we were doing two backups every day.. one to local
> storage and 2nd to external storage.
>
> I'm obviously new at this virtualization / container thing, so, sorry if
> these questions sound stupid.
>
> The only question that is stupid is one that is not asked  :)
>
>
> TIA
>
> -Jason
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Proxmox

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Answers inline below:- 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Jason McKemie" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 12:06:31 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Proxmox

> To those of you out there using Proxmox, I have a couple questions.
> I started messing around with this a year or so ago, but have really just
> started to use it in a production environment.

> The main thing I'm wondering about is if it is necessary to have a separate
> storage server in place to operate a cluster, or if it is possible to use the
> drive(s) on each node.

You can use it either way... our first & 2nd iterations were using local 
storage on each promox host node. We would store daily backup on an external 
storage box (NFS, Freenas, Zfs etc). and simply restore the KVM from backup in 
case of node failure. 

There are folks who used external common storage and as such moving/ restoring 
vm's was easy. 

Our current iteration is using Proxmox v4 Host+CEPH Node cluster of 3 + 2 
additional Host Nodes. 
(3 HOST are dual purpose, they are being used as Proxmox Hosts as well as CEPH 
nodes). This configuration while heavy on the hardware, allows for potential 
loss of 2 of the storage nodes while still operating. 

> Additionally, is a separate storage server necessary to do backups? It isn't
> obvious to me that there is any way to create or store a backup without some
> sort of network storage that is external to the node(s).

Highly recommended.. for multiple reasons... 
you can create a local data partition (if your local storage is large enough) 
and store backup's locally. 

In our first & 2nd gen, we were doing two backups every day.. one to local 
storage and 2nd to external storage. 

> I'm obviously new at this virtualization / container thing, so, sorry if these
> questions sound stupid.

The only question that is stupid is one that is not asked :) 

> TIA

> -Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Proxmox

[Adam Moffett]

You can add a local path as a storage device.  If I recall correctly 
though, you add a storage device to the cluster not to the node, so each 
node will add that same path a storage device.


So you can't mount a local hard drive and add it as "storage" in a 
proxmox cluster, unless that same path exists on all of them.


What I have done at least once is create a samba share on one host, then 
mount that share on every host including the local one.  You add it to 
fstab so it auto mounts at boot.
So if I have host1, host2, and host3 in a Proxmox cluster. I might have 
a large disk on host1 at /dev/sdb1 and mounted on /mnt/backups.  Then 
share it with Samba.   Then mount the Samba share as /mnt/proxmoxbackups 
on all three nodes.  Then add /mnt/proxmoxbackups as a local directory 
storage device in the proxmox cluster.


Orsomething like that.  It was a few years back.  Later I just used 
a separate server as a network storage device and never looked back.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/8/2017 12:20:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Proxmox

Yeah, I definitely would store a backup on separate storage, I just 
can't seem to find a way to store it locally so that I can then go and 
copy it to the separate storage.  Ultimately I know I will want to have 
storage in place to auto-backup to, I just was hoping for a manual 
hold-over in the mean time.


On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Brett A Mansfield 
 wrote:

Hi Jason,

You can create a cluster without external storage, but because it is 
syncronys replication it will double your write hit. But if you have a 
solid network and solid drives you'll barely notice if at all.


For backups I recommend you use separate storage. Otherwise your 
risking losing your data if your primary raid array dies.


Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Feb 8, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Jason McKemie 
> wrote:

>
> To those of you out there using Proxmox, I have a couple questions.
>
> I started messing around with this a year or so ago, but have really 
just started to use it in a production environment.

>
> The main thing I'm wondering about is if it is necessary to have a 
separate storage server in place to operate a cluster, or if it is 
possible to use the drive(s) on each node.

>
> Additionally, is a separate storage server necessary to do backups? 
It isn't obvious to me that there is any way to create or store a 
backup without some sort of network storage that is external to the 
node(s).

>
> I'm obviously new at this virtualization / container thing, so, 
sorry if these questions sound stupid.

>
> TIA
>
> -Jason
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Proxmox

[Jason McKemie]

Thanks!

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Zach Underwood 
wrote:

> No it would run in the host proxmox OS. You can also mix hosts with and
> without local disk using gluster.
>
> Here are some details
> https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Storage:_GlusterFS
> http://blog.ivanilves.com/2014/proxmox-ve-3-3-2-node-
> cluster-with-glusterfs/
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> How would you use something like gluster on the nodes?  Just put it in
>> its own container / VM?
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Zach Underwood 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes you can use local disk but then you are unable to live move a VM. If
>>> you use the local disk with something like gluster then you can line move
>>> VMs.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 To those of you out there using Proxmox, I have a couple questions.

 I started messing around with this a year or so ago, but have really
 just started to use it in a production environment.

 The main thing I'm wondering about is if it is necessary to have a
 separate storage server in place to operate a cluster, or if it is possible
 to use the drive(s) on each node.

 Additionally, is a separate storage server necessary to do backups? It
 isn't obvious to me that there is any way to create or store a backup
 without some sort of network storage that is external to the node(s).

 I'm obviously new at this virtualization / container thing, so, sorry
 if these questions sound stupid.

 TIA

 -Jason



>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
>>> My website 
>>> advance-networking.com
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
> My website 
> advance-networking.com
>

Re: [AFMUG] Proxmox

[Zach Underwood]

No it would run in the host proxmox OS. You can also mix hosts with and
without local disk using gluster.

Here are some details
https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Storage:_GlusterFS
http://blog.ivanilves.com/2014/proxmox-ve-3-3-2-node-cluster-with-glusterfs/

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> How would you use something like gluster on the nodes?  Just put it in its
> own container / VM?
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Zach Underwood 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes you can use local disk but then you are unable to live move a VM. If
>> you use the local disk with something like gluster then you can line move
>> VMs.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> To those of you out there using Proxmox, I have a couple questions.
>>>
>>> I started messing around with this a year or so ago, but have really
>>> just started to use it in a production environment.
>>>
>>> The main thing I'm wondering about is if it is necessary to have a
>>> separate storage server in place to operate a cluster, or if it is possible
>>> to use the drive(s) on each node.
>>>
>>> Additionally, is a separate storage server necessary to do backups? It
>>> isn't obvious to me that there is any way to create or store a backup
>>> without some sort of network storage that is external to the node(s).
>>>
>>> I'm obviously new at this virtualization / container thing, so, sorry if
>>> these questions sound stupid.
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> -Jason
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
>> My website 
>> advance-networking.com
>>
>
>


-- 
Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
My website 
advance-networking.com

Re: [AFMUG] Proxmox

[Jason McKemie]

How would you use something like gluster on the nodes?  Just put it in its
own container / VM?

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Zach Underwood 
wrote:

> Yes you can use local disk but then you are unable to live move a VM. If
> you use the local disk with something like gluster then you can line move
> VMs.
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> To those of you out there using Proxmox, I have a couple questions.
>>
>> I started messing around with this a year or so ago, but have really just
>> started to use it in a production environment.
>>
>> The main thing I'm wondering about is if it is necessary to have a
>> separate storage server in place to operate a cluster, or if it is possible
>> to use the drive(s) on each node.
>>
>> Additionally, is a separate storage server necessary to do backups? It
>> isn't obvious to me that there is any way to create or store a backup
>> without some sort of network storage that is external to the node(s).
>>
>> I'm obviously new at this virtualization / container thing, so, sorry if
>> these questions sound stupid.
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
> My website 
> advance-networking.com
>

Re: [AFMUG] Proxmox

[Jason McKemie]

Yeah, I definitely would store a backup on separate storage, I just can't
seem to find a way to store it locally so that I can then go and copy it to
the separate storage.  Ultimately I know I will want to have storage in
place to auto-backup to, I just was hoping for a manual hold-over in the
mean time.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Brett A Mansfield <
li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> Hi Jason,
>
> You can create a cluster without external storage, but because it is
> syncronys replication it will double your write hit. But if you have a
> solid network and solid drives you'll barely notice if at all.
>
> For backups I recommend you use separate storage. Otherwise your risking
> losing your data if your primary raid array dies.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> > On Feb 8, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
> >
> > To those of you out there using Proxmox, I have a couple questions.
> >
> > I started messing around with this a year or so ago, but have really
> just started to use it in a production environment.
> >
> > The main thing I'm wondering about is if it is necessary to have a
> separate storage server in place to operate a cluster, or if it is possible
> to use the drive(s) on each node.
> >
> > Additionally, is a separate storage server necessary to do backups? It
> isn't obvious to me that there is any way to create or store a backup
> without some sort of network storage that is external to the node(s).
> >
> > I'm obviously new at this virtualization / container thing, so, sorry if
> these questions sound stupid.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > -Jason
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Proxmox

[Zach Underwood]

Yes you can use local disk but then you are unable to live move a VM. If
you use the local disk with something like gluster then you can line move
VMs.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> To those of you out there using Proxmox, I have a couple questions.
>
> I started messing around with this a year or so ago, but have really just
> started to use it in a production environment.
>
> The main thing I'm wondering about is if it is necessary to have a
> separate storage server in place to operate a cluster, or if it is possible
> to use the drive(s) on each node.
>
> Additionally, is a separate storage server necessary to do backups? It
> isn't obvious to me that there is any way to create or store a backup
> without some sort of network storage that is external to the node(s).
>
> I'm obviously new at this virtualization / container thing, so, sorry if
> these questions sound stupid.
>
> TIA
>
> -Jason
>
>
>


-- 
Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
My website 
advance-networking.com

Re: [AFMUG] Proxmox

[Brett A Mansfield]

Hi Jason,

You can create a cluster without external storage, but because it is syncronys 
replication it will double your write hit. But if you have a solid network and 
solid drives you'll barely notice if at all. 

For backups I recommend you use separate storage. Otherwise your risking losing 
your data if your primary raid array dies. 

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Feb 8, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Jason McKemie  
> wrote:
> 
> To those of you out there using Proxmox, I have a couple questions.
> 
> I started messing around with this a year or so ago, but have really just 
> started to use it in a production environment. 
> 
> The main thing I'm wondering about is if it is necessary to have a separate 
> storage server in place to operate a cluster, or if it is possible to use the 
> drive(s) on each node.
> 
> Additionally, is a separate storage server necessary to do backups? It isn't 
> obvious to me that there is any way to create or store a backup without some 
> sort of network storage that is external to the node(s).
> 
> I'm obviously new at this virtualization / container thing, so, sorry if 
> these questions sound stupid.
> 
> TIA
> 
> -Jason
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Commisioner Pai is pulling a Trump

[Dave]

I Believe that sound makes a resounding pop when said head is pulled 
from said orifice :)



On 02/08/2017 07:03 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Finally someone pulls thier head out of thier ass. That program is 
ridiculous and the abuse well documented.


On Wed, Feb 8, 2017, 1:55 AM Rory Conaway > wrote:



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old because we stop playing”



--

[AFMUG] Proxmox

[Jason McKemie]

To those of you out there using Proxmox, I have a couple questions.

I started messing around with this a year or so ago, but have really just
started to use it in a production environment.

The main thing I'm wondering about is if it is necessary to have a separate
storage server in place to operate a cluster, or if it is possible to use
the drive(s) on each node.

Additionally, is a separate storage server necessary to do backups? It
isn't obvious to me that there is any way to create or store a backup
without some sort of network storage that is external to the node(s).

I'm obviously new at this virtualization / container thing, so, sorry if
these questions sound stupid.

TIA

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

[Ken Hohhof]

Big isn’t necessarily the same as profitable.  And big companies like Amazon 
and Google have had their share of hobby projects that don’t necessarily make 
money (cough, cough, Google Fiber).

 

Is Tesla profitable?  Batteries and solar are probably his version of AWS.  I 
wonder if “The Boring Company” will be profitable?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 8:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

 

AWS has been the largest cloud provider by a large margin for at least half a 
decade - even picking up those juicy government (CIA even) contracts to boot.

 

I guess I just figured someone involved in IT would know that given their scale 
*shrug*

 

On Feb 7, 2017 6:48 PM, "Adam Moffett"  > wrote:

Serious question?  How would I know information before exposure to said 
information?

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Josh Reynolds"  >

To: af@afmug.com  

Sent: 2/7/2017 7:07:05 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

 

Did you not know that before you read about it?

 

On Feb 7, 2017 3:24 PM, "Adam Moffett"  > wrote:

I also read their biggest money maker now is not the books, or streaming, or 
any other crap they sell in their store.

It's AWS.  Which started out as a side thing they were doing.

 

It's like if an ISP started selling books on the side, and the book business 
took off better than the ISP.

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Travis Johnson"  >

To: af@afmug.com  

Sent: 2/7/2017 4:10:39 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

 

Didn't it only take Amazon 15+ years to become profitable?? LOL

Travis



On 2/7/2017 1:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

They have a statement in their prospectus that they may never achieve 
profitability.  

 

From: Josh Reynolds 

Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 1:38 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

 

Anybody waiting for the Snap, Inc. IPO?

 

On Feb 7, 2017 11:17 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  > wrote:

TOGS is up and coming, getting in on the ground floor is an opportunity not to 
be missed. Currently a privately held stock, limited to a select few investors. 
This thing is gonna be bigger than if Edsel had a baby with bernie maddof wint 
a pinch of enron stuffed into a solyndra cell.

 

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

Waiting for GoPro to drop below 8.  

 

From: Gino Villarini 

Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 10:02 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

 

Thanks for the tip!

 


 

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968







 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

[Tyler Treat]

Everybody has this notion that AWS is cheap.

It's not cheap - It's rapidly scalable.  Up or Down. So it can be cheap at 
times of low usage.

If you're in the business of having your own datacenter, there's room there to 
cut some of your costs, but I think a lot of it just shuffles around.
It really shines if you can put the automation in place to scale things 
invisibly on the fly to take advantage of the ebbs and flows in your demand.  
Lots of options out there for doing that.
Its like your networks, you guys have to build for peak(theoretically).   With 
AWS, you build/commit for the average, and burst for the peaks then ratchet 
back down with the demand.

The thing I hate about AWS is the way they've organized things.  As somewhat of 
what I'd consider a "networking traditionalist" a lot of this stuff takes some 
time to wrap your head around.
It's laid out to coerce you into using as many of their services as possible.  
A simple deployment winds up sprawling across a large part of their offering 
rather quick.

Just my 2 cents.

TT




From: Af  on behalf of Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 7:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?


I didn't know it is most of thier revenue either.  It doesn't surprise me.  I 
got an email about their AppStream2 program for a free trial.  I tried it,  it 
didn't work,  and they billed me $600 bucks.

Maybe it works better now, it is still to expensive.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017, 10:13 PM That One Guy /sarcasm 
> wrote:
AWS has intrigued me, they don't follow the normal rules of scale, shedding the 
lighter, less profitable loads as they grow. They host anything and everything 
and don't seem to care. It may be they actually follow the rules of scale in 
volume. Taking everything, even free grammars cookie flat pages knowing that X 
percentage of the freebies will generate a small revenue.
It's a hard concept for me to visualize, I still think 4tb is a lot of data

On Feb 7, 2017 8:31 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
> wrote:
AWS has been the largest cloud provider by a large margin for at least half a 
decade - even picking up those juicy government (CIA even) contracts to boot.

I guess I just figured someone involved in IT would know that given their scale 
*shrug*

On Feb 7, 2017 6:48 PM, "Adam Moffett" 
> wrote:
Serious question?  How would I know information before exposure to said 
information?


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Reynolds" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/7/2017 7:07:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

Did you not know that before you read about it?

On Feb 7, 2017 3:24 PM, "Adam Moffett" 
> wrote:
I also read their biggest money maker now is not the books, or streaming, or 
any other crap they sell in their store.
It's AWS.  Which started out as a side thing they were doing.

It's like if an ISP started selling books on the side, and the book business 
took off better than the ISP.


-- Original Message --
From: "Travis Johnson" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/7/2017 4:10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

Didn't it only take Amazon 15+ years to become profitable?? LOL

Travis


On 2/7/2017 1:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
They have a statement in their prospectus that they may never achieve 
profitability.

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 1:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

Anybody waiting for the Snap, Inc. IPO?

On Feb 7, 2017 11:17 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
wrote:
TOGS is up and coming, getting in on the ground floor is an opportunity not to 
be missed. Currently a privately held stock, limited to a select few investors. 
This thing is gonna be bigger than if Edsel had a baby with bernie maddof wint 
a pinch of enron stuffed into a solyndra cell.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
Waiting for GoPro to drop below 8.

From: Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 10:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

Thanks for the tip!




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:part7.E5EAA635.4D129788@ida.net]



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Commisioner Pai is pulling a Trump

[Ken Hohhof]

Not disagreeing with you, but the media reports have been maybe a little 
overblown about this story.

https://medium.com/@AjitPaiFCC/setting-the-record-straight-on-the-digital-divide-615a9da1f2d1#.x5a601s3i

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 8:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Commisioner Pai is pulling a Trump

 

I agree.




 

Erich Kaiser

North Central Tower

er...@northcentraltower.com  

Office: 630-621-4804

Cell: 630-777-9291

 

 

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 7:03 AM, Lewis Bergman  > wrote:

Finally someone pulls thier head out of thier ass. That program is ridiculous 
and the abuse well documented.

 

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017, 1:55 AM Rory Conaway  > wrote:

http://redrightrepublic.com/new-fcc-chairman-delivers-harsh-blow-obamas-phone-program/

 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542  

r...@triadwireless.net  

www.triadwireless.net  

 

“Baseball - we do not stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because we 
stop playing”

 

 

[AFMUG] UBNT Outdoor Fiber Cable

[Nate Burke]

I just saw the FC-SM series of cables.  Has anyone used it yet? Looks to 
be pre-terminated 6 strand in 100,200,300 foot lengths. What's it's 
quality like?  The datasheet is light on details, like bend radius.  
Also, the picture looks like they just stripped back the outside jacket 
and didn't put any heat shrink or anything on the individual strands.  
But at the Price, I'm tempted to get one to see how it is.

[AFMUG] need to sale PwrV3 router

[Dave]

Ok, As I am waiting on my PowerV4 and 10g gear to come in.
 I would like to hand off a good PwrV3 with 2 8port Sfp module banks.
Hit me off list with an offer ..
thanks
Dave

--

Re: [AFMUG] Commisioner Pai is pulling a Trump

[Erich Kaiser]

I agree.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 7:03 AM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Finally someone pulls thier head out of thier ass. That program is
> ridiculous and the abuse well documented.
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017, 1:55 AM Rory Conaway  wrote:
>
> http://redrightrepublic.com/new-fcc-chairman-delivers-
> harsh-blow-obamas-phone-program/
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> “Baseball - we do not stop playing because we grow old, we grow old
> because we stop playing”
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Commisioner Pai is pulling a Trump

[Lewis Bergman]

Finally someone pulls thier head out of thier ass. That program is
ridiculous and the abuse well documented.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017, 1:55 AM Rory Conaway  wrote:

http://redrightrepublic.com/new-fcc-chairman-delivers-harsh-blow-obamas-phone-program/



*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*

*4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *



“Baseball - we do not stop playing because we grow old, we grow old because
we stop playing”

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

[Lewis Bergman]

I didn't know it is most of thier revenue either.  It doesn't surprise me.
I got an email about their AppStream2 program for a free trial.  I tried
it,  it didn't work,  and they billed me $600 bucks.

Maybe it works better now, it is still to expensive.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017, 10:13 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> AWS has intrigued me, they don't follow the normal rules of scale,
> shedding the lighter, less profitable loads as they grow. They host
> anything and everything and don't seem to care. It may be they actually
> follow the rules of scale in volume. Taking everything, even free grammars
> cookie flat pages knowing that X percentage of the freebies will generate a
> small revenue.
> It's a hard concept for me to visualize, I still think 4tb is a lot of data
>
> On Feb 7, 2017 8:31 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
> AWS has been the largest cloud provider by a large margin for at least
> half a decade - even picking up those juicy government (CIA even) contracts
> to boot.
>
> I guess I just figured someone involved in IT would know that given their
> scale *shrug*
>
> On Feb 7, 2017 6:48 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
> Serious question?  How would I know information before exposure to said
> information?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/7/2017 7:07:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?
>
>
> Did you not know that before you read about it?
>
> On Feb 7, 2017 3:24 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
> I also read their biggest money maker now is not the books, or streaming,
> or any other crap they sell in their store.
> It's AWS.  Which started out as a side thing they were doing.
>
> It's like if an ISP started selling books on the side, and the book
> business took off better than the ISP.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Travis Johnson" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/7/2017 4:10:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?
>
>
> Didn't it only take Amazon 15+ years to become profitable?? LOL
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 2/7/2017 1:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> They have a statement in their prospectus that they may never achieve
> profitability.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2017 1:38 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?
>
> Anybody waiting for the Snap, Inc. IPO?
>
> On Feb 7, 2017 11:17 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> TOGS is up and coming, getting in on the ground floor is an opportunity
> not to be missed. Currently a privately held stock, limited to a select few
> investors. This thing is gonna be bigger than if Edsel had a baby with
> bernie maddof wint a pinch of enron stuffed into a solyndra cell.
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Waiting for GoPro to drop below 8.
>
> *From:* Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2017 10:02 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?
>
> Thanks for the tip!
>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WISP head end laws for TN?

[Jason McKemie]

You don't need to register as a clec or anything else. You do need to file
a form 477.

On Wednesday, February 8, 2017, Timothy Steele 
wrote:

> So the west side of Knoxville has no internet and it's full of multi
> million dollar houses that are already clients begging for service so I'm
> getting dragged back into the wisp world..
>
> I really just need to know the head end laws for taxes, did I hear wisps
> have to register as a clec now?. And what is that form called you need to
> fill out with the coverage area?
>
> Thanks,
>

[AFMUG] WISP head end laws for TN?

[Timothy Steele]

So the west side of Knoxville has no internet and it's full of multi
million dollar houses that are already clients begging for service so I'm
getting dragged back into the wisp world..

I really just need to know the head end laws for taxes, did I hear wisps
have to register as a clec now?. And what is that form called you need to
fill out with the coverage area?

Thanks,