Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 2.4 interfering with Dish satellite

[Timothy Steele]

Not sure about ubnt about dish and even more so direct TV cambium 450's
will mess with signal normally kills the radio​ signal first

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017, 1:09 PM Jeremy  wrote:

> All of the old M series, 5GHz & 2.4GHz had an underclocked processor to
> avoid coming to close to the 2.4GHz frequency and causing interference to
> co-located 2.4GHz radios.  As it turns out, the third harmonic of the 2GHz
> frequency that they were underclocked to would interfere with Verizon's
> 700MHz LTE gear.  So we have to run special (not underclocked) firmware on
> sites where we co-locate with Verizon.  None of the new radios made in the
> last few years have this issue, as they have a faster processor.  They
> really didn't need to underclock them anyway.  We have 2.4GHz alongside of
> radios that had that special firmware and they were not affected at all.
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 1:44 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> Ethernet. Power it up, leave ethernet link down.
>>
>> Switching power supply. Try battery power only, leave ethernet link down.
>>
>> CPU/SoC. Pretty much the end of the road. I remember a thread from maybe
>> a couple years ago where an UBNT radio was interfering with VzW's uplink. I
>> think UBNT did a special firmware that changed the CPU freq. I don't
>> remember which radio that was.
>>
>> I want to say the IF side of the Dish LNB can be between 500-2200MHz. The
>> cables tied together is obviously not good.
>>
>> You're probably better off just moving your radio and cable to just be
>> done with it.
>>
>>
>> On 9/1/2017 1:05 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>
>>> Got a call from a guy in the field that says Dish moved their equipment
>>> behind our 2.4 Airgrid and whenever our radio is powered up the customer
>>> loses their high definition channels.  Our cable and theirs are tie wrapped
>>> together so I suggested that they power the radio with their survey rig to
>>> see if some kind of interference was involved.  Any idea on what is causing
>>> this problem?  Other suggestions besides moving our radio?
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

[Rory Conaway]

That works.  Thanks.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 9:34 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

There aren't exactly channels available... the NN license covers the whole 
50mhz, and most gear supports at least 10mhz and 20mhz channels, but you aren't 
licensing a specific channel and you don't have any sort of exclusive use.
The PALs in CBRS will be 10mhz, if I remember correctly.

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:21 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
Jeff, how wide are the channels that are available?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 4:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

You can buy just the license.  Rick Harnish has done several for my customers.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:25 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
Can you not just sell it or do you have to buy the whole company?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 3:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

It's been done, but I'm not convinced it's a good idea.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Sep 1, 2017, at 5:28 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
can you sublease your license to multiple people?

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
> wrote:
They are national. If you have one in California it’s valid in New York.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
Anyone in Alabama?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 1:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

Mine expires in 2024.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
How much longer is an NN license good for?  I think through 2018 if I remember 
correctly.


-- Original Message --
From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/1/2017 4:02:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

I have an NN license I don’t use and would consider selling.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
If you already have an NN license then you can use it just as you have been.

If you don't have an NN license you'll need to buy one from someone who does.

If you are looking to use the 3550-3650 CBRS spectrum you'll need to wait a bit 
longer for the SAS to get up and running and for the auctions etc.

-Sean



On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:38 PM Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
Is there any chance of getting any or is it still in hiatus?

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.” — Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

[Mathew Howard]

There aren't exactly channels available... the NN license covers the whole
50mhz, and most gear supports at least 10mhz and 20mhz channels, but you
aren't licensing a specific channel and you don't have any sort of
exclusive use.

The PALs in CBRS will be 10mhz, if I remember correctly.

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:21 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> Jeff, how wide are the channels that are available?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Broadwick -
> Lists
> *Sent:* Friday, September 1, 2017 4:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
>
>
>
> You can buy just the license.  Rick Harnish has done several for my
> customers.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
>
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
>
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
>
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
>
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:25 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>
> Can you not just sell it or do you have to buy the whole company?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Jeff Broadwick - Lists
> *Sent:* Friday, September 1, 2017 3:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
>
>
>
> It's been done, but I'm not convinced it's a good idea.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
>
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
>
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
>
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
>
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 5:28 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
>
> can you sublease your license to multiple people?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>
> They are national. If you have one in California it’s valid in New York.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brett A Mansfield
>
>
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>
> Anyone in Alabama?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Brett A Mansfield
> *Sent:* Friday, September 1, 2017 1:11 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
>
>
>
> Mine expires in 2024.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brett A Mansfield
>
>
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> How much longer is an NN license good for?  I think through 2018 if I
> remember correctly.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 9/1/2017 4:02:47 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
>
>
>
> I have an NN license I don’t use and would consider selling.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brett A Mansfield
>
>
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> If you already have an NN license then you can use it just as you have
> been.
>
>
>
> If you don't have an NN license you'll need to buy one from someone who
> does.
>
>
>
> If you are looking to use the 3550-3650 CBRS spectrum you'll need to wait
> a bit longer for the SAS to get up and running and for the auctions etc.
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:38 PM Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> Is there any chance of getting any or is it still in hiatus?
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.”* — Humphrey Bogart
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

[Rory Conaway]

Jeff, how wide are the channels that are available?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 4:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

You can buy just the license.  Rick Harnish has done several for my customers.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:25 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
Can you not just sell it or do you have to buy the whole company?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 3:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

It's been done, but I'm not convinced it's a good idea.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Sep 1, 2017, at 5:28 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
can you sublease your license to multiple people?

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
> wrote:
They are national. If you have one in California it’s valid in New York.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
Anyone in Alabama?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 1:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

Mine expires in 2024.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
How much longer is an NN license good for?  I think through 2018 if I remember 
correctly.


-- Original Message --
From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/1/2017 4:02:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

I have an NN license I don’t use and would consider selling.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
If you already have an NN license then you can use it just as you have been.

If you don't have an NN license you'll need to buy one from someone who does.

If you are looking to use the 3550-3650 CBRS spectrum you'll need to wait a bit 
longer for the SAS to get up and running and for the auctions etc.

-Sean



On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:38 PM Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
Is there any chance of getting any or is it still in hiatus?

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.” — Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

You can buy just the license.  Rick Harnish has done several for my customers.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:25 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> 
> Can you not just sell it or do you have to buy the whole company?
>  
> Rory
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 3:22 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
>  
> It's been done, but I'm not convinced it's a good idea.
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
> 
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 5:28 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> can you sublease your license to multiple people?
>  
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
>  wrote:
> They are national. If you have one in California it’s valid in New York. 
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> 
> Anyone in Alabama?
>  
> Rory
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 1:11 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
>  
> Mine expires in 2024.
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> How much longer is an NN license good for?  I think through 2018 if I 
> remember correctly.
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/1/2017 4:02:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
>  
> I have an NN license I don’t use and would consider selling. 
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> 
> If you already have an NN license then you can use it just as you have been.
>  
> If you don't have an NN license you'll need to buy one from someone who does.
>  
> If you are looking to use the 3550-3650 CBRS spectrum you'll need to wait a 
> bit longer for the SAS to get up and running and for the auctions etc.
>  
> -Sean
>  
>  
>  
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:38 PM Rory Conaway  wrote:
> Is there any chance of getting any or is it still in hiatus?
>  
> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
> 602-426-0542
> r...@triadwireless.net
> www.triadwireless.net
>  
> “A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.” — Humphrey Bogart
>  
>  

[AFMUG] Comcast is not a happy camper

[Rory Conaway]

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/08/comcast-sues-vermont-to-avoid-building-550-miles-of-new-cable-lines/

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz." - Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] China wants all source code

[Steve Jones]

sounds legit

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

> Want to do business in China, be ready to give up all your proprietary
> information.
>
>
>
> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/government/chinese-
> agency-linked-to-cyber-espionage-operations-will-
> review-source-code-of-foreign-firms/
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.”* — Humphrey Bogart
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

[Rory Conaway]

Can you not just sell it or do you have to buy the whole company?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 3:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

It's been done, but I'm not convinced it's a good idea.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Sep 1, 2017, at 5:28 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
can you sublease your license to multiple people?

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
> wrote:
They are national. If you have one in California it’s valid in New York.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
Anyone in Alabama?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 1:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

Mine expires in 2024.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
How much longer is an NN license good for?  I think through 2018 if I remember 
correctly.


-- Original Message --
From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/1/2017 4:02:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

I have an NN license I don’t use and would consider selling.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
If you already have an NN license then you can use it just as you have been.

If you don't have an NN license you'll need to buy one from someone who does.

If you are looking to use the 3550-3650 CBRS spectrum you'll need to wait a bit 
longer for the SAS to get up and running and for the auctions etc.

-Sean



On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:38 PM Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
Is there any chance of getting any or is it still in hiatus?

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.” — Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

It's been done, but I'm not convinced it's a good idea.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 5:28 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> can you sublease your license to multiple people?
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
>>  wrote:
>> They are national. If you have one in California it’s valid in New York. 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anyone in Alabama?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Rory
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
>>> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 1:11 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Mine expires in 2024.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Brett A Mansfield
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How much longer is an NN license good for?  I think through 2018 if I 
>>> remember correctly.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> 
>>> From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
>>> 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> 
>>> Sent: 9/1/2017 4:02:47 PM
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I have an NN license I don’t use and would consider selling. 
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Brett A Mansfield
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you already have an NN license then you can use it just as you have been.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> If you don't have an NN license you'll need to buy one from someone who 
>>> does.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> If you are looking to use the 3550-3650 CBRS spectrum you'll need to wait a 
>>> bit longer for the SAS to get up and running and for the auctions etc.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> -Sean
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:38 PM Rory Conaway  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is there any chance of getting any or is it still in hiatus?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
>>> 
>>> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
>>> 
>>> 602-426-0542
>>> 
>>> r...@triadwireless.net
>>> 
>>> www.triadwireless.net
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> “A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.” — Humphrey Bogart
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

[Brett A Mansfield]

They do have a way of doing so on the fcc ULS Page, but I imagine I’d still be 
taking on a lot of risk if my leases break the rules.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 3:28 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> can you sublease your license to multiple people?
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
>>  wrote:
>> They are national. If you have one in California it’s valid in New York. 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anyone in Alabama?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Rory
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
>>> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 1:11 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Mine expires in 2024.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Brett A Mansfield
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How much longer is an NN license good for?  I think through 2018 if I 
>>> remember correctly.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> 
>>> From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
>>> 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> 
>>> Sent: 9/1/2017 4:02:47 PM
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I have an NN license I don’t use and would consider selling. 
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Brett A Mansfield
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you already have an NN license then you can use it just as you have been.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> If you don't have an NN license you'll need to buy one from someone who 
>>> does.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> If you are looking to use the 3550-3650 CBRS spectrum you'll need to wait a 
>>> bit longer for the SAS to get up and running and for the auctions etc.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> -Sean
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:38 PM Rory Conaway  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is there any chance of getting any or is it still in hiatus?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
>>> 
>>> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
>>> 
>>> 602-426-0542
>>> 
>>> r...@triadwireless.net
>>> 
>>> www.triadwireless.net
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> “A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.” — Humphrey Bogart
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
> 

[AFMUG] Comcast just coughed up customer data

[Rory Conaway]

https://gizmodo.com/millions-of-time-warner-customer-records-exposed-in-thi-1798701579

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz." - Humphrey Bogart

[AFMUG] China wants all source code

[Rory Conaway]

Want to do business in China, be ready to give up all your proprietary 
information.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/government/chinese-agency-linked-to-cyber-espionage-operations-will-review-source-code-of-foreign-firms/

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz." - Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

[Steve Jones]

can you sublease your license to multiple people?

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> They are national. If you have one in California it’s valid in New York.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>
> Anyone in Alabama?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Brett A Mansfield
> *Sent:* Friday, September 1, 2017 1:11 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
>
>
>
> Mine expires in 2024.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brett A Mansfield
>
>
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> How much longer is an NN license good for?  I think through 2018 if I
> remember correctly.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 9/1/2017 4:02:47 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
>
>
>
> I have an NN license I don’t use and would consider selling.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brett A Mansfield
>
>
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> If you already have an NN license then you can use it just as you have
> been.
>
>
>
> If you don't have an NN license you'll need to buy one from someone who
> does.
>
>
>
> If you are looking to use the 3550-3650 CBRS spectrum you'll need to wait
> a bit longer for the SAS to get up and running and for the auctions etc.
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:38 PM Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> Is there any chance of getting any or is it still in hiatus?
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.”* — Humphrey Bogart
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

[Brett A Mansfield]

They are national. If you have one in California it’s valid in New York. 

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> 
> Anyone in Alabama?
>  
> Rory
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 1:11 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
>  
> Mine expires in 2024.
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> How much longer is an NN license good for?  I think through 2018 if I 
> remember correctly.
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/1/2017 4:02:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
>  
> I have an NN license I don’t use and would consider selling. 
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> 
> If you already have an NN license then you can use it just as you have been.
>  
> If you don't have an NN license you'll need to buy one from someone who does.
>  
> If you are looking to use the 3550-3650 CBRS spectrum you'll need to wait a 
> bit longer for the SAS to get up and running and for the auctions etc.
>  
> -Sean
>  
>  
>  
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:38 PM Rory Conaway  wrote:
> Is there any chance of getting any or is it still in hiatus?
>  
> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
> 602-426-0542
> r...@triadwireless.net
> www.triadwireless.net
>  
> “A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.” — Humphrey Bogart
>  

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

[George Skorup]

IIRC, all NN licenses are valid until the SAS is up and running. If 
yours will expire before that happens, it's simply extended.


On 9/1/2017 3:03 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
How much longer is an NN license good for?  I think through 2018 if I 
remember correctly.



-- Original Message --
From: "Brett A Mansfield" >

To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 9/1/2017 4:02:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability


I have an NN license I don’t use and would consider selling.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Sean Heskett > wrote:


If you already have an NN license then you can use it just as you 
have been.


If you don't have an NN license you'll need to buy one from someone 
who does.


If you are looking to use the 3550-3650 CBRS spectrum you'll need to 
wait a bit longer for the SAS to get up and running and for the 
auctions etc.


-Sean



On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:38 PM Rory Conaway > wrote:


Is there any chance of getting any or is it still in hiatus?

*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

**

/“A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.”/—
Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

[Rory Conaway]

Anyone in Alabama?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 1:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

Mine expires in 2024.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
How much longer is an NN license good for?  I think through 2018 if I remember 
correctly.


-- Original Message --
From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/1/2017 4:02:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

I have an NN license I don’t use and would consider selling.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
If you already have an NN license then you can use it just as you have been.

If you don't have an NN license you'll need to buy one from someone who does.

If you are looking to use the 3550-3650 CBRS spectrum you'll need to wait a bit 
longer for the SAS to get up and running and for the auctions etc.

-Sean



On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:38 PM Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
Is there any chance of getting any or is it still in hiatus?

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.” — Humphrey Bogart

[AFMUG] Frontier Pole Attachment contact

[Adam Moffett]

Maybe a long shot, but does anyone here have a contact at Frontier 
Telephone for pole attachment or joint use of plant?


Thanks,
Adam

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

[Brett A Mansfield]

Mine expires in 2024.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> How much longer is an NN license good for?  I think through 2018 if I 
> remember correctly.
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/1/2017 4:02:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
> 
>> I have an NN license I don’t use and would consider selling. 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you already have an NN license then you can use it just as you have been.
>>> 
>>> If you don't have an NN license you'll need to buy one from someone who 
>>> does.
>>> 
>>> If you are looking to use the 3550-3650 CBRS spectrum you'll need to wait a 
>>> bit longer for the SAS to get up and running and for the auctions etc.
>>> 
>>> -Sean
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:38 PM Rory Conaway  wrote:
 Is there any chance of getting any or is it still in hiatus?
 
  
 
 Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
 
 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
 
 602-426-0542
 
 r...@triadwireless.net
 
 www.triadwireless.net
 
  
 
 “A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.” — Humphrey Bogart
 
  

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 2.4 interfering with Dish satellite

[Jeremy]

All of the old M series, 5GHz & 2.4GHz had an underclocked processor to
avoid coming to close to the 2.4GHz frequency and causing interference to
co-located 2.4GHz radios.  As it turns out, the third harmonic of the 2GHz
frequency that they were underclocked to would interfere with Verizon's
700MHz LTE gear.  So we have to run special (not underclocked) firmware on
sites where we co-locate with Verizon.  None of the new radios made in the
last few years have this issue, as they have a faster processor.  They
really didn't need to underclock them anyway.  We have 2.4GHz alongside of
radios that had that special firmware and they were not affected at all.

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 1:44 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> Ethernet. Power it up, leave ethernet link down.
>
> Switching power supply. Try battery power only, leave ethernet link down.
>
> CPU/SoC. Pretty much the end of the road. I remember a thread from maybe a
> couple years ago where an UBNT radio was interfering with VzW's uplink. I
> think UBNT did a special firmware that changed the CPU freq. I don't
> remember which radio that was.
>
> I want to say the IF side of the Dish LNB can be between 500-2200MHz. The
> cables tied together is obviously not good.
>
> You're probably better off just moving your radio and cable to just be
> done with it.
>
>
> On 9/1/2017 1:05 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>
>> Got a call from a guy in the field that says Dish moved their equipment
>> behind our 2.4 Airgrid and whenever our radio is powered up the customer
>> loses their high definition channels.  Our cable and theirs are tie wrapped
>> together so I suggested that they power the radio with their survey rig to
>> see if some kind of interference was involved.  Any idea on what is causing
>> this problem?  Other suggestions besides moving our radio?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

[Adam Moffett]

How much longer is an NN license good for?  I think through 2018 if I 
remember correctly.



-- Original Message --
From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/1/2017 4:02:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability


I have an NN license I don’t use and would consider selling.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

If you already have an NN license then you can use it just as you have 
been.


If you don't have an NN license you'll need to buy one from someone 
who does.


If you are looking to use the 3550-3650 CBRS spectrum you'll need to 
wait a bit longer for the SAS to get up and running and for the 
auctions etc.


-Sean



On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:38 PM Rory Conaway  
wrote:

Is there any chance of getting any or is it still in hiatus?



Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net



“A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.” — Humphrey 
Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

[Brett A Mansfield]

I have an NN license I don’t use and would consider selling. 

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> 
> If you already have an NN license then you can use it just as you have been.
> 
> If you don't have an NN license you'll need to buy one from someone who does.
> 
> If you are looking to use the 3550-3650 CBRS spectrum you'll need to wait a 
> bit longer for the SAS to get up and running and for the auctions etc.
> 
> -Sean
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:38 PM Rory Conaway  wrote:
>> Is there any chance of getting any or is it still in hiatus?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
>> 
>> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
>> 
>> 602-426-0542
>> 
>> r...@triadwireless.net
>> 
>> www.triadwireless.net
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> “A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.” — Humphrey Bogart
>> 
>>  

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

[Rory Conaway]

Thanks.  That’s pretty much what I thought.  Thanks.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 12:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

If you already have an NN license then you can use it just as you have been.

If you don't have an NN license you'll need to buy one from someone who does.

If you are looking to use the 3550-3650 CBRS spectrum you'll need to wait a bit 
longer for the SAS to get up and running and for the auctions etc.

-Sean



On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:38 PM Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
Is there any chance of getting any or is it still in hiatus?

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.” — Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

[Sean Heskett]

If you already have an NN license then you can use it just as you have been.

If you don't have an NN license you'll need to buy one from someone who
does.

If you are looking to use the 3550-3650 CBRS spectrum you'll need to wait a
bit longer for the SAS to get up and running and for the auctions etc.

-Sean



On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:38 PM Rory Conaway  wrote:

> Is there any chance of getting any or is it still in hiatus?
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.”* — Humphrey Bogart
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti 2.4 interfering with Dish satellite

[George Skorup]

Ethernet. Power it up, leave ethernet link down.

Switching power supply. Try battery power only, leave ethernet link down.

CPU/SoC. Pretty much the end of the road. I remember a thread from maybe 
a couple years ago where an UBNT radio was interfering with VzW's 
uplink. I think UBNT did a special firmware that changed the CPU freq. I 
don't remember which radio that was.


I want to say the IF side of the Dish LNB can be between 500-2200MHz. 
The cables tied together is obviously not good.


You're probably better off just moving your radio and cable to just be 
done with it.


On 9/1/2017 1:05 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
Got a call from a guy in the field that says Dish moved their 
equipment behind our 2.4 Airgrid and whenever our radio is powered up 
the customer loses their high definition channels.  Our cable and 
theirs are tie wrapped together so I suggested that they power the 
radio with their survey rig to see if some kind of interference was 
involved.  Any idea on what is causing this problem?  Other 
suggestions besides moving our radio?

[AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

[Rory Conaway]

Is there any chance of getting any or is it still in hiatus?

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz." - Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

[Steve Jones]

dispatching for pc support? do you charge for service calls? I can se willy
nilly dispatch if you charge, revenue driver.

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> No.. that's what outsourced should have determined what the issue was.
> Radio is up... customer has no Internet - dispatch.
>
> On 9/1/17 3:14 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>
>>
>> We got a call today from a customer who also was down last week.
>> radio looks fine.Router has a connection.If This Were outsourced
>> to tech support where they kick it back to us?
>>
>> Looks like we will be sending someone out there anyway it might even be
>> an id10terror
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Steve Jones" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT
>> Date: Fri, Sep 1, 2017 11:39 AM
>>
>> youre not going to have them powercycle or verify things are plugged in
>> correctly? that's ALOT of truck rolls
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Matt Hoppes
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> Exactly... I just signed up with SP and my decision tree is going to
>> be extremely simple and straight forward... so easy even a cave man
>> can do it.
>>
>> Is your router on?   Are you connected to your router?  Can you ping
>> your router?  Can you ping our modem?  Can I ping our modem?  Do you
>> get proper speeds when plugged into our modem?
>>
>> ESCALATE.   What else is there to troubleshoot locally?  Unless your
>> network is @#$@#.
>>
>> This entire process should take sub 5 minutes to complete.
>>
>> END RESULT:
>> Your computer is borked.
>> Your router is borked.
>> Our connection to you is borked -- dispatch.
>>
>> On 9/1/17 8:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> I have good luck with ServerPlus.  Part of the quality you get
>> from them
>> depends on the quality of the decision tree you give them.
>>
>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 10:22 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT
>>
>>
>> Not surprising, but sad to hear things haven’t changed one bit
>> with
>> ServerPlus in the years since I swore I would never use them
>> again, lol!
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:45 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT
>>
>>
>>
>> Supposed to specifically state not to ask for a mac from box.
>> Because it
>> was an issue. But, i bet we get an accurate bill. The bills are
>> always
>> consistent. The level of irate i have right now excedes my bac,
>> thats
>> pretty high at 944 pm
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:31 PM, "Josh Luthman"
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> That idea is coming from somewhere and I too would think it
>> comes
>> from the DT.  None of my calls say anything about MAC (we
>> NAT our SM).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Mike Hammett
>> > wrote:
>>
>> What does your DT say to do?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> > >> ntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
>> ><
>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
>> > >>> >
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> > >> com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
>> ><
>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix
>> >
>> The Brothers WISP > 

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

[Matt Hoppes]

No.. that's what outsourced should have determined what the issue was. 
Radio is up... customer has no Internet - dispatch.


On 9/1/17 3:14 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


We got a call today from a customer who also was down last week.
radio looks fine.Router has a connection.If This Were outsourced
to tech support where they kick it back to us?

Looks like we will be sending someone out there anyway it might even be
an id10terror

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT
Date: Fri, Sep 1, 2017 11:39 AM

youre not going to have them powercycle or verify things are plugged in
correctly? that's ALOT of truck rolls

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Matt Hoppes
> wrote:

Exactly... I just signed up with SP and my decision tree is going to
be extremely simple and straight forward... so easy even a cave man
can do it.

Is your router on?   Are you connected to your router?  Can you ping
your router?  Can you ping our modem?  Can I ping our modem?  Do you
get proper speeds when plugged into our modem?

ESCALATE.   What else is there to troubleshoot locally?  Unless your
network is @#$@#.

This entire process should take sub 5 minutes to complete.

END RESULT:
Your computer is borked.
Your router is borked.
Our connection to you is borked -- dispatch.

On 9/1/17 8:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I have good luck with ServerPlus.  Part of the quality you get
from them
depends on the quality of the decision tree you give them.

*From:* Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 10:22 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT


Not surprising, but sad to hear things haven’t changed one bit with
ServerPlus in the years since I swore I would never use them
again, lol!



*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:45 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT



Supposed to specifically state not to ask for a mac from box.
Because it
was an issue. But, i bet we get an accurate bill. The bills are
always
consistent. The level of irate i have right now excedes my bac,
thats
pretty high at 944 pm



On Aug 31, 2017 9:31 PM, "Josh Luthman"
> wrote:

That idea is coming from somewhere and I too would think it
comes
from the DT.  None of my calls say anything about MAC (we
NAT our SM).




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Mike Hammett
> wrote:

What does your DT say to do?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>>>
Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>>
The Brothers WISP >
>



>




*From: *"Steve Jones" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:25:38 

[AFMUG] Severe weather hits Alabama....

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

This is serious y'all.


http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/09/ostrich_spann_issues_warnings.html#incart_river_mobileshort_index
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

We got a call today from a customer who also was down last week. radio 
looks fine.Router has a connection.If This Were outsourced to tech 
support where they kick it back to us?

Looks like we will be sending someone out there anyway it might even be an 
id10terror

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT
Date: Fri, Sep 1, 2017 11:39 AM

youre not going to have them powercycle or verify things are plugged in 
correctly? that's ALOT of truck rolls

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:
Exactly... I just signed up with SP and my decision tree is going to be 
extremely simple and straight forward... so easy even a cave man can do it.



Is your router on?   Are you connected to your router?  Can you ping your 
router?  Can you ping our modem?  Can I ping our modem?  Do you get proper 
speeds when plugged into our modem?



ESCALATE.   What else is there to troubleshoot locally?  Unless your network is 
@#$@#.



This entire process should take sub 5 minutes to complete.



END RESULT:

Your computer is borked.

Your router is borked.

Our connection to you is borked -- dispatch.



On 9/1/17 8:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:


I have good luck with ServerPlus.  Part of the quality you get from them

depends on the quality of the decision tree you give them.



*From:* Sterling Jacobson

*Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 10:22 PM

*To:* af@afmug.com

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT





Not surprising, but sad to hear things haven’t changed one bit with

ServerPlus in the years since I swore I would never use them again, lol!







*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones

*Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:45 PM

*To:* af@afmug.com

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT







Supposed to specifically state not to ask for a mac from box. Because it

was an issue. But, i bet we get an accurate bill. The bills are always

consistent. The level of irate i have right now excedes my bac, thats

pretty high at 944 pm







On Aug 31, 2017 9:31 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:



    That idea is coming from somewhere and I too would think it comes

    from the DT.  None of my calls say anything about MAC (we NAT our SM).









    Josh Luthman

    Office: 937-552-2340 

    Direct: 937-552-2343 

    1100 Wayne St

    Suite 1337

    Troy, OH 45373







    On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:



        What does your DT say to do?







        -

        Mike Hammett

        Intelligent Computing Solutions 

        


        Midwest Internet Exchange 

        


        The Brothers WISP 

        





        



        



        *From: *"Steve Jones" 

        *To: *af@afmug.com

        *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:25:38 PM





        *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT



        Reviving a dead one, cause i can.



        So serverplus, no matter how many times you ask them to stop,

        still asks customers for the mac off their router, even though

        95 percent of the routers on the market list the freaking

        wireless mac. They cant seem to follow simple poe instructions,

        constantly escalating (and billing) when they hook poes up backward.







        If you have another option, look into it. Because right now, ill

        get a follow up, solely because of this post, as i did from the

        original post im replying to.











        I dont mind our own mopes being mopes. I dont even ming paid

        mopes being mopes. What i dont like is mopes, billing us for

        mopery, and escalating response to being mopes when called out

        in public only. Promising to deescalate the mopery, and

        continuing to be mopes and billing for mopery.







        At this point, direct dialing saudi arabia is a better option.

        At least when amrut answers the phone, our customers

        expectations drop to the level of outsource. And amrut will

        actually be consistent.







        On Jul 12, 2017 7:10 AM, "Josh Luthman"

        

[AFMUG] Ubiquiti 2.4 interfering with Dish satellite

[Jay Weekley]

Got a call from a guy in the field that says Dish moved their equipment 
behind our 2.4 Airgrid and whenever our radio is powered up the customer 
loses their high definition channels.  Our cable and theirs are tie 
wrapped together so I suggested that they power the radio with their 
survey rig to see if some kind of interference was involved.  Any idea 
on what is causing this problem?  Other suggestions besides moving our 
radio?

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

[Josh Reynolds]

They have to pull up the docs for your network, log into aircontrol or your
billing system or both, maybe login to the radio, check a few things,
document everything they are doing, etc. Then go through the flow chart.

Heck ours even did speed tests from the radio/AP, would check things out by
logging into the customer router, etc.

At the end of the day, it easily cut out 85% of "tier 2/3" calls.  Techs
got to sleep at night, which made them safer, happier, and more productive.
Etc. Pay was also saved, because any time they are answering the phones as
an hourly employee after business hours is .

On Sep 1, 2017 11:52 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
wrote:

> Yes of course...  I'm just saying it's a pretty simple flow chart.
>
> On 9/1/17 12:39 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
>> youre not going to have them powercycle or verify things are plugged in
>> correctly? that's ALOT of truck rolls
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Matt Hoppes
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> Exactly... I just signed up with SP and my decision tree is going to
>> be extremely simple and straight forward... so easy even a cave man
>> can do it.
>>
>> Is your router on?   Are you connected to your router?  Can you ping
>> your router?  Can you ping our modem?  Can I ping our modem?  Do you
>> get proper speeds when plugged into our modem?
>>
>> ESCALATE.   What else is there to troubleshoot locally?  Unless your
>> network is @#$@#.
>>
>> This entire process should take sub 5 minutes to complete.
>>
>> END RESULT:
>> Your computer is borked.
>> Your router is borked.
>> Our connection to you is borked -- dispatch.
>>
>> On 9/1/17 8:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> I have good luck with ServerPlus.  Part of the quality you get
>> from them
>> depends on the quality of the decision tree you give them.
>>
>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 10:22 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT
>>
>>
>> Not surprising, but sad to hear things haven’t changed one bit
>> with
>> ServerPlus in the years since I swore I would never use them
>> again, lol!
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:45 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT
>>
>>
>>
>> Supposed to specifically state not to ask for a mac from box.
>> Because it
>> was an issue. But, i bet we get an accurate bill. The bills are
>> always
>> consistent. The level of irate i have right now excedes my bac,
>> thats
>> pretty high at 944 pm
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:31 PM, "Josh Luthman"
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> That idea is coming from somewhere and I too would think it
>> comes
>> from the DT.  None of my calls say anything about MAC (we
>> NAT our SM).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Mike Hammett
>> > wrote:
>>
>> What does your DT say to do?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> > >> ntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
>> ><
>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
>> > >>> >
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> > >> com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
>> ><
>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix
>> >
>> The Brothers WISP > >
>> > >
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

[Matt Hoppes]

Yes of course...  I'm just saying it's a pretty simple flow chart.

On 9/1/17 12:39 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

youre not going to have them powercycle or verify things are plugged in
correctly? that's ALOT of truck rolls

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Matt Hoppes
> wrote:

Exactly... I just signed up with SP and my decision tree is going to
be extremely simple and straight forward... so easy even a cave man
can do it.

Is your router on?   Are you connected to your router?  Can you ping
your router?  Can you ping our modem?  Can I ping our modem?  Do you
get proper speeds when plugged into our modem?

ESCALATE.   What else is there to troubleshoot locally?  Unless your
network is @#$@#.

This entire process should take sub 5 minutes to complete.

END RESULT:
Your computer is borked.
Your router is borked.
Our connection to you is borked -- dispatch.

On 9/1/17 8:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I have good luck with ServerPlus.  Part of the quality you get
from them
depends on the quality of the decision tree you give them.

*From:* Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 10:22 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT


Not surprising, but sad to hear things haven’t changed one bit with
ServerPlus in the years since I swore I would never use them
again, lol!



*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:45 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT



Supposed to specifically state not to ask for a mac from box.
Because it
was an issue. But, i bet we get an accurate bill. The bills are
always
consistent. The level of irate i have right now excedes my bac,
thats
pretty high at 944 pm



On Aug 31, 2017 9:31 PM, "Josh Luthman"
> wrote:

That idea is coming from somewhere and I too would think it
comes
from the DT.  None of my calls say anything about MAC (we
NAT our SM).




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Mike Hammett
> wrote:

What does your DT say to do?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>>>
Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>>
The Brothers WISP >
>



>




*From: *"Steve Jones" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:25:38 PM


*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

Reviving a dead one, cause i can.

So serverplus, no matter how many times you ask them to
stop,
still asks customers for the mac off their router, even
though
95 percent of the routers on the market list the freaking
wireless mac. They cant seem to follow simple poe
instructions,
constantly escalating (and billing) when they hook poes
up backward.

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

[Josh Reynolds]

It took sws about 2 months to get them squared away. Our experience with
them is/was great.

Listen, at the end of the day, they're just people. People who are working
a fairly low rate job. If you're personal with them and get to know the
techs, form a relationship, they'll take care of you.

Sometimes people have bad days. Hopefully they have more good than bad. And
nobody, nobody, will ever do it the "perfect" way every time - the
motivation to do so just isn't there.

On Sep 1, 2017 11:09 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
wrote:

GTC is no better.   The experience I've had with GTC are the techs do not
sound engaged at all.  They sound like they are miles away from the phone.
They sound like they are busy doing other things on the computer while they
should be talking to you.  They are slow to address the customer dragging a
simple support call out 10-15 minutes (even though it's a flat pay rate).




On 9/1/17 12:23 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

> Checkout ygtc
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 11:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  > wrote:
>
> Not surprising, but sad to hear things haven’t changed one bit with
> ServerPlus in the years since I swore I would never use them again,
> lol!
>
> __ __
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:45 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT
>
> __ __
>
>
> Supposed to specifically state not to ask for a mac from box.
> Because it was an issue. But, i bet we get an accurate bill. The
> bills are always consistent. The level of irate i have right now
> excedes my bac, thats pretty high at 944 pm
>
> __ __
>
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 9:31 PM, "Josh Luthman"  > wrote:
>
>
> That idea is coming from somewhere and I too would think it
> comes from the DT.  None of my calls say anything about MAC (we
> NAT our SM).
>
>
> 
>
> __ __
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> __ __
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Mike Hammett  > wrote:
>
> What does your DT say to do?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>  telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>  com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>
> 
> 
>
> *From: *"Steve Jones"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:25:38 PM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT
>
> Reviving a dead one, cause i can.
>
>
> So serverplus, no matter how many times you ask them to
> stop, still asks customers for the mac off their router,
> even though 95 percent of the routers on the market list the
> freaking wireless mac. They cant seem to follow simple poe
> instructions, constantly escalating (and billing) when they
> hook poes up backward.
>
> __ __
>
>
> If you have another option, look into it. Because right now,
> ill get a follow up, solely because of this post, as i did
> from the original post im replying to. 
>
> __ __
>
> __ __
>
>
> I dont mind our own mopes being mopes. I dont even ming paid
> mopes being mopes. What i dont like is mopes, billing us for
> mopery, and escalating response to being mopes when called
> out in public only. Promising to deescalate the mopery, and
> continuing to be mopes and billing for mopery.
>
> __ __
>
>
> At this point, direct dialing saudi arabia is a better
> option. At least when amrut 

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

[Steve Jones]

youre not going to have them powercycle or verify things are plugged in
correctly? that's ALOT of truck rolls

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Exactly... I just signed up with SP and my decision tree is going to be
> extremely simple and straight forward... so easy even a cave man can do it.
>
> Is your router on?   Are you connected to your router?  Can you ping your
> router?  Can you ping our modem?  Can I ping our modem?  Do you get proper
> speeds when plugged into our modem?
>
> ESCALATE.   What else is there to troubleshoot locally?  Unless your
> network is @#$@#.
>
> This entire process should take sub 5 minutes to complete.
>
> END RESULT:
> Your computer is borked.
> Your router is borked.
> Our connection to you is borked -- dispatch.
>
> On 9/1/17 8:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> I have good luck with ServerPlus.  Part of the quality you get from them
>> depends on the quality of the decision tree you give them.
>>
>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 10:22 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT
>>
>>
>> Not surprising, but sad to hear things haven’t changed one bit with
>> ServerPlus in the years since I swore I would never use them again, lol!
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:45 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT
>>
>>
>>
>> Supposed to specifically state not to ask for a mac from box. Because it
>> was an issue. But, i bet we get an accurate bill. The bills are always
>> consistent. The level of irate i have right now excedes my bac, thats
>> pretty high at 944 pm
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:31 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> That idea is coming from somewhere and I too would think it comes
>> from the DT.  None of my calls say anything about MAC (we NAT our SM).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Mike Hammett 
>> wrote:
>>
>> What does your DT say to do?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> > telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> > com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:25:38 PM
>>
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT
>>
>> Reviving a dead one, cause i can.
>>
>> So serverplus, no matter how many times you ask them to stop,
>> still asks customers for the mac off their router, even though
>> 95 percent of the routers on the market list the freaking
>> wireless mac. They cant seem to follow simple poe instructions,
>> constantly escalating (and billing) when they hook poes up
>> backward.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you have another option, look into it. Because right now, ill
>> get a follow up, solely because of this post, as i did from the
>> original post im replying to.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I dont mind our own mopes being mopes. I dont even ming paid
>> mopes being mopes. What i dont like is mopes, billing us for
>> mopery, and escalating response to being mopes when called out
>> in public only. Promising to deescalate the mopery, and
>> continuing to be mopes and billing for mopery.
>>
>>
>>
>> At this point, direct dialing saudi arabia is a better option.
>> At least when amrut answers the phone, our customers
>> expectations drop to the level of outsource. And amrut will
>> actually be consistent.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 12, 2017 7:10 AM, "Josh Luthman"
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I'm not Direct TV and don't want to be compared to them.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

[Matt Hoppes]

Exactly... I just signed up with SP and my decision tree is going to be 
extremely simple and straight forward... so easy even a cave man can do it.


Is your router on?   Are you connected to your router?  Can you ping 
your router?  Can you ping our modem?  Can I ping our modem?  Do you get 
proper speeds when plugged into our modem?


ESCALATE.   What else is there to troubleshoot locally?  Unless your 
network is @#$@#.


This entire process should take sub 5 minutes to complete.

END RESULT:
Your computer is borked.
Your router is borked.
Our connection to you is borked -- dispatch.

On 9/1/17 8:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I have good luck with ServerPlus.  Part of the quality you get from them
depends on the quality of the decision tree you give them.

*From:* Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 10:22 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT


Not surprising, but sad to hear things haven’t changed one bit with
ServerPlus in the years since I swore I would never use them again, lol!



*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:45 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT



Supposed to specifically state not to ask for a mac from box. Because it
was an issue. But, i bet we get an accurate bill. The bills are always
consistent. The level of irate i have right now excedes my bac, thats
pretty high at 944 pm



On Aug 31, 2017 9:31 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

That idea is coming from somewhere and I too would think it comes
from the DT.  None of my calls say anything about MAC (we NAT our SM).




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

What does your DT say to do?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Steve Jones" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:25:38 PM


*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

Reviving a dead one, cause i can.

So serverplus, no matter how many times you ask them to stop,
still asks customers for the mac off their router, even though
95 percent of the routers on the market list the freaking
wireless mac. They cant seem to follow simple poe instructions,
constantly escalating (and billing) when they hook poes up backward.



If you have another option, look into it. Because right now, ill
get a follow up, solely because of this post, as i did from the
original post im replying to.





I dont mind our own mopes being mopes. I dont even ming paid
mopes being mopes. What i dont like is mopes, billing us for
mopery, and escalating response to being mopes when called out
in public only. Promising to deescalate the mopery, and
continuing to be mopes and billing for mopery.



At this point, direct dialing saudi arabia is a better option.
At least when amrut answers the phone, our customers
expectations drop to the level of outsource. And amrut will
actually be consistent.



On Jul 12, 2017 7:10 AM, "Josh Luthman"
 wrote:

I'm not Direct TV and don't want to be compared to them.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Jul 11, 2017 10:43 PM, "Darin Steffl"
 wrote:

I am happy what we pay with the average hold times
averaging 1-2 minutes. Our residential subs don't need
hold times any shorter than that for after hours
support. Compared to our other WISP's, we're the only
one that offers 24/7 support anyway so we're already
ahead of the competition there.



   

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

[Matt Hoppes]

GTC is no better.   The experience I've had with GTC are the techs do 
not sound engaged at all.  They sound like they are miles away from the 
phone.  They sound like they are busy doing other things on the computer 
while they should be talking to you.  They are slow to address the 
customer dragging a simple support call out 10-15 minutes (even though 
it's a flat pay rate).




On 9/1/17 12:23 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Checkout ygtc

On Aug 31, 2017 11:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" > wrote:

Not surprising, but sad to hear things haven’t changed one bit with
ServerPlus in the years since I swore I would never use them again,
lol!

__ __

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:45 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

__ __

Supposed to specifically state not to ask for a mac from box.
Because it was an issue. But, i bet we get an accurate bill. The
bills are always consistent. The level of irate i have right now
excedes my bac, thats pretty high at 944 pm

__ __

On Aug 31, 2017 9:31 PM, "Josh Luthman" > wrote:

That idea is coming from somewhere and I too would think it
comes from the DT.  None of my calls say anything about MAC (we
NAT our SM).




__ __

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

__ __

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Mike Hammett > wrote:

What does your DT say to do?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 








*From: *"Steve Jones" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:25:38 PM


*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

Reviving a dead one, cause i can.

So serverplus, no matter how many times you ask them to
stop, still asks customers for the mac off their router,
even though 95 percent of the routers on the market list the
freaking wireless mac. They cant seem to follow simple poe
instructions, constantly escalating (and billing) when they
hook poes up backward.

__ __

If you have another option, look into it. Because right now,
ill get a follow up, solely because of this post, as i did
from the original post im replying to. 

__ __

__ __

I dont mind our own mopes being mopes. I dont even ming paid
mopes being mopes. What i dont like is mopes, billing us for
mopery, and escalating response to being mopes when called
out in public only. Promising to deescalate the mopery, and
continuing to be mopes and billing for mopery.

__ __

At this point, direct dialing saudi arabia is a better
option. At least when amrut answers the phone, our customers
expectations drop to the level of outsource. And amrut will
actually be consistent.

__ __

On Jul 12, 2017 7:10 AM, "Josh Luthman"
> wrote:

I'm not Direct TV and don't want to be compared to them.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

__ __

On Jul 11, 2017 10:43 PM, "Darin Steffl"

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Josh Reynolds]

Was talking to a buddy of mine up there the other day. It was 60 there and
he thought he was dying from heat stroke!

I hold him to go to Phoenix sometime :)

On Sep 1, 2017 10:39 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Josh...ice doesn't count on size..lol..I work with Anchroage folks
> allot...they die in our heat..
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Sep 1, 2017 8:02 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> Former Alaskan here:
>> Take care, little Texas. We're rooting for you!
>>
>> On Sep 1, 2017 8:23 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>
>> The gas thing is nuts. Lines at the gas stations into the night around
>> here. The size of the storm and affected area was huge, bigger than a lot
>> of north eastern states or even a couple combined. I don't think people
>> realize just how big Texas really is unless they have spent time here. I
>> really don't think a lot of people outside of TX have a grasp on the scale
>> of this thing. And, yes there are some crooks, but the vast majority of
>> people heading that way are going to help. I saw ad's for people looking to
>> buy boats and jet skis just so they could go help. Guys in by 4x4 clubs
>> with lifted trucks were submitting air intake heights to see if their
>> vehicles would pass the high water so they could go help. It's pretty
>> amazing how many people are putting in an effort. Our office is being used
>> to stock supplies of all kinds as my Ops Mgr's son and friends are heading
>> down to Aransas Co next week. Keep in mind, it is a 5 hr drive at highway
>> speeds in light traffic for me to get to Houston from where I live in Fort
>> Worth, 7hrs to Corpus, 10 hrs to Brownsville (when the roads are open and
>> clear). It's not exactly down the road.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 7:53 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> How about you just haul the generator in the trunk.  Then pull off road
>>> if  you want to start and charge...
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:28 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>>
>>> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
>>> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
>>> tax.
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>>
 I'm not advocating this, but why?

 Electric cars don't pay anything.

 If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
 Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can
 engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
 with a diesel?

 I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same
 thing, just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 
 
 The Brothers WISP 
 


 
 --
 *From: *"Robert" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

 As long as you keep it off-road!

 On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
 > red diesel?  :-)
 >
 >
 >
 > -
 > Mike Hammett
 > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 > 
 > Midwest Internet Exchange 
 > 
 > The Brothers WISP 
 > 
 >
 >
 > 
 > 
 
 > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
 > *To: *af@afmug.com
 > *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
 > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in 

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Jaime Solorza]

Josh...ice doesn't count on size..lol..I work with Anchroage folks
allot...they die in our heat..

Jaime Solorza

On Sep 1, 2017 8:02 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Former Alaskan here:
> Take care, little Texas. We're rooting for you!
>
> On Sep 1, 2017 8:23 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>
> The gas thing is nuts. Lines at the gas stations into the night around
> here. The size of the storm and affected area was huge, bigger than a lot
> of north eastern states or even a couple combined. I don't think people
> realize just how big Texas really is unless they have spent time here. I
> really don't think a lot of people outside of TX have a grasp on the scale
> of this thing. And, yes there are some crooks, but the vast majority of
> people heading that way are going to help. I saw ad's for people looking to
> buy boats and jet skis just so they could go help. Guys in by 4x4 clubs
> with lifted trucks were submitting air intake heights to see if their
> vehicles would pass the high water so they could go help. It's pretty
> amazing how many people are putting in an effort. Our office is being used
> to stock supplies of all kinds as my Ops Mgr's son and friends are heading
> down to Aransas Co next week. Keep in mind, it is a 5 hr drive at highway
> speeds in light traffic for me to get to Houston from where I live in Fort
> Worth, 7hrs to Corpus, 10 hrs to Brownsville (when the roads are open and
> clear). It's not exactly down the road.
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 7:53 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> How about you just haul the generator in the trunk.  Then pull off road
>> if  you want to start and charge...
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:28 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>
>> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
>> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
>> tax.
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>>>
>>> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>>>
>>> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
>>> Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can
>>> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
>>> with a diesel?
>>>
>>> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same
>>> thing, just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Robert" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>>
>>> As long as you keep it off-road!
>>>
>>> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
>>> > red diesel?  :-)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> > Mike Hammett
>>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> > >> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> > Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> > >> /company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> > The Brothers WISP 
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> 
>>> > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>>> > *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> > *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
>>> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>> >
>>> > Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent
>>> > paying road tax.
>>> >
>>> > On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter" >> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Funny you say that about the tank.
>>> >
>>> > __ __
>>> >
>>> > We just had to 

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Sam Lambie]

Man My brain hurts just trying to wrap my head around the concepts of how
to implement this. and I thought I could get away with using a raspberry pi
to do it all..

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Well, it certainly can't be less fun than I've been having over the last
> few months.
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> What is the fun in that...
>>
>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 2:25 PM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
>> device
>>
>> But what if working is putting rackinjectors in boxes so I can actually
>> get back to engineering solutions for this type of stuff?
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Forrest, quit working and come out and play with us
>>>
>>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:49 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
>>> device
>>>
>>> But you can use a voltage divider to convert the 0-5 volt to 0-.1 volt.
>>> Two resistors.
>>>
>>> *From:* George Skorup
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:48 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
>>> device
>>>
>>> No, the SiteMonitor shunt input is ±100mV nominal.
>>>
>>> On 8/30/2017 12:42 PM, Jesse DuPont wrote:
>>>
>>> Would these work on a SiteMonitor? They output 1-5V DC based on current
>>> flowing through.
>>>
>>> https://flexscada.com/product/hall-effect-current-sensor-ac-75a-dc-100a/
>>>
>>> *Jesse DuPont*
>>>
>>> Network Architect
>>> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
>>> Celerity Networks LLC
>>>
>>> Celerity Broadband LLC
>>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>>>
>>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>>> On 8/30/17 11:29 AM, George Skorup wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, about that. I wouldn't use those on 12VDC systems. Too much
>>> current. I've burned up a couple of the 10A shunts on Traco BCMUs that were
>>> running around 200W load on battery. 200/13 = 15 amps. Ungood. One site at
>>> about 225W, first time it went to battery, the shunt went kaput after 10-15
>>> minutes and the site went down.
>>>
>>> I'm hoping Forrest comes up with some Hall effect stuff or even plain
>>> 20+ amp shunts that can be used on the SiteMonitor's existing 100mv input.
>>> Hall effect is nice because you don't have to be "in" the circuit. But I'll
>>> take what I can get.
>>>
>>> On 8/30/2017 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, up to 10 amp.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
>>> device
>>>
>>>
>>> I think Forrest has them on his site with the site monitors.
>>>
>>> *From:* Sam Lambie
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
>>> device
>>>
>>> Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 4 batts in series or parallel?
 Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t have to
 write code.

 *From:* Sam Lambie
 *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
 device

 Hey all,
 I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and right now
 I have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4 Deep cycle marine
 batteries for a total of 404 aH system. I'd like to be able to monitor the
 discharge rate of the batteries when power is out remotely. What have you
 guys been doing to that effect?

 I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on
 Python to put it all together...

 --
 --
 *Sam Lambie*
 Taosnet Wireless Tech.
 575-758-7598 <%28575%29%20758-7598> Office
 www.Taosnet.com 

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Cameron Crum]

Yeahpeople really don't know about AK but of course a storm this size
could hit and nobody would know it either. ;)


On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Former Alaskan here:
> Take care, little Texas. We're rooting for you!
>
> On Sep 1, 2017 8:23 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>
> The gas thing is nuts. Lines at the gas stations into the night around
> here. The size of the storm and affected area was huge, bigger than a lot
> of north eastern states or even a couple combined. I don't think people
> realize just how big Texas really is unless they have spent time here. I
> really don't think a lot of people outside of TX have a grasp on the scale
> of this thing. And, yes there are some crooks, but the vast majority of
> people heading that way are going to help. I saw ad's for people looking to
> buy boats and jet skis just so they could go help. Guys in by 4x4 clubs
> with lifted trucks were submitting air intake heights to see if their
> vehicles would pass the high water so they could go help. It's pretty
> amazing how many people are putting in an effort. Our office is being used
> to stock supplies of all kinds as my Ops Mgr's son and friends are heading
> down to Aransas Co next week. Keep in mind, it is a 5 hr drive at highway
> speeds in light traffic for me to get to Houston from where I live in Fort
> Worth, 7hrs to Corpus, 10 hrs to Brownsville (when the roads are open and
> clear). It's not exactly down the road.
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 7:53 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> How about you just haul the generator in the trunk.  Then pull off road
>> if  you want to start and charge...
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:28 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>
>> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
>> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
>> tax.
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>>>
>>> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>>>
>>> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
>>> Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can
>>> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
>>> with a diesel?
>>>
>>> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same
>>> thing, just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Robert" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>>
>>> As long as you keep it off-road!
>>>
>>> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
>>> > red diesel?  :-)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> > Mike Hammett
>>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> > >> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> > Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> > >> /company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> > The Brothers WISP 
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> 
>>> > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>>> > *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> > *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
>>> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>> >
>>> > Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent
>>> > paying road tax.
>>> >
>>> > On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter" >> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Funny you say that about the tank.
>>> >
>>> > __ __
>>> >
>>> > We just 

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Josh Reynolds]

Former Alaskan here:
Take care, little Texas. We're rooting for you!

On Sep 1, 2017 8:23 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

The gas thing is nuts. Lines at the gas stations into the night around
here. The size of the storm and affected area was huge, bigger than a lot
of north eastern states or even a couple combined. I don't think people
realize just how big Texas really is unless they have spent time here. I
really don't think a lot of people outside of TX have a grasp on the scale
of this thing. And, yes there are some crooks, but the vast majority of
people heading that way are going to help. I saw ad's for people looking to
buy boats and jet skis just so they could go help. Guys in by 4x4 clubs
with lifted trucks were submitting air intake heights to see if their
vehicles would pass the high water so they could go help. It's pretty
amazing how many people are putting in an effort. Our office is being used
to stock supplies of all kinds as my Ops Mgr's son and friends are heading
down to Aransas Co next week. Keep in mind, it is a 5 hr drive at highway
speeds in light traffic for me to get to Houston from where I live in Fort
Worth, 7hrs to Corpus, 10 hrs to Brownsville (when the roads are open and
clear). It's not exactly down the road.

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 7:53 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> How about you just haul the generator in the trunk.  Then pull off road
> if  you want to start and charge...
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:28 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>
> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
> tax.
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>>
>> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>>
>> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
>> Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can
>> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
>> with a diesel?
>>
>> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same thing,
>> just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Robert" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>
>> As long as you keep it off-road!
>>
>> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
>> > red diesel?  :-)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -
>> > Mike Hammett
>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> > > telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> > Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> > > /company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> > The Brothers WISP 
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> > 
>> 
>> > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>> > *To: *af@afmug.com
>> > *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
>> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>> >
>> > Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent
>> > paying road tax.
>> >
>> > On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter" > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Funny you say that about the tank.
>> >
>> > __ __
>> >
>> > We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to
>> > our colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had
>> > diesel.. 
>> >
>> > It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call
>> > around to see who had fuel for him.
>> >
>> > __ __
>> >
>> > It’s 

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Cameron Crum]

The gas thing is nuts. Lines at the gas stations into the night around
here. The size of the storm and affected area was huge, bigger than a lot
of north eastern states or even a couple combined. I don't think people
realize just how big Texas really is unless they have spent time here. I
really don't think a lot of people outside of TX have a grasp on the scale
of this thing. And, yes there are some crooks, but the vast majority of
people heading that way are going to help. I saw ad's for people looking to
buy boats and jet skis just so they could go help. Guys in by 4x4 clubs
with lifted trucks were submitting air intake heights to see if their
vehicles would pass the high water so they could go help. It's pretty
amazing how many people are putting in an effort. Our office is being used
to stock supplies of all kinds as my Ops Mgr's son and friends are heading
down to Aransas Co next week. Keep in mind, it is a 5 hr drive at highway
speeds in light traffic for me to get to Houston from where I live in Fort
Worth, 7hrs to Corpus, 10 hrs to Brownsville (when the roads are open and
clear). It's not exactly down the road.

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 7:53 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> How about you just haul the generator in the trunk.  Then pull off road
> if  you want to start and charge...
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:28 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>
> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
> tax.
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>>
>> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>>
>> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
>> Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can
>> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
>> with a diesel?
>>
>> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same thing,
>> just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Robert" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>
>> As long as you keep it off-road!
>>
>> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
>> > red diesel?  :-)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -
>> > Mike Hammett
>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> > > telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> > Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> > > com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> > The Brothers WISP 
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> > 
>> 
>> > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>> > *To: *af@afmug.com
>> > *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
>> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>> >
>> > Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent
>> > paying road tax.
>> >
>> > On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter" > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Funny you say that about the tank.
>> >
>> > __ __
>> >
>> > We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to
>> > our colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had
>> > diesel.. 
>> >
>> > It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call
>> > around to see who had fuel for him.
>> >
>> > __ __
>> >
>> > It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00
>> > on their signs denoting that they have no gas.
>> >
>> > 

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Re: BGP Optimizers (Was: Validating possible BGP MITM attack)

[Mike Hammett]

There are appliances that receive your traffic information through various ways 
(traffic flows, port mirroring, etc.) and see who you're communicating with 
remotely. They then do tests to that destination out each of your upstream 
interfaces. They determine which upstream has the best performance to that 
destination and then adjust your BGP settings (advertised and received) such as 
prefix length, communities, local pref, MED, etc. to move that traffic to that 
upstream. 

They do this to work around congestion, long AS paths that may be better than 
short AS paths for whatever reason, etc. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 10:45:03 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: Re: BGP Optimizers (Was: Validating possible BGP MITM 
attack) 


Please convert this to a guy who just got into bgp. What are rhey talking about 
exactly? 
-- Forwarded message -- 
From: "Mike Hammett" < na...@ics-il.net > 
Date: Aug 31, 2017 9:06 PM 
Subject: Re: BGP Optimizers (Was: Validating possible BGP MITM attack) 
To: 
Cc: < na...@nanog.org > 



Sorry for now taking up 1/4 of this thread 


My words in the last message don't match what I was thinking, but I think you 
all get the point. I'm sick, maybe I should be in bed instead of on NANOG. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

- Original Message - 

From: "Mike Hammett" < na...@ics-il.net > 
Cc: na...@nanog.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:02:07 PM 
Subject: Re: BGP Optimizers (Was: Validating possible BGP MITM attack) 

Actually, I do remember that one of them would optimize inbound routes, but 
only billed on outbound usage (as it was content-focused). My in is over 8x my 
out, so hrm... maybe I'm on to something. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

- Original Message - 

From: "Mike Hammett" < na...@ics-il.net > 
Cc: na...@nanog.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:55:46 PM 
Subject: Re: BGP Optimizers (Was: Validating possible BGP MITM attack) 

I would like to use a BGP optimizer, but I'm too poor. :-\ 

That said, I'm also an eyeball network, so modifications of my own 
advertisements are what affects the desired traffic, not so much the outbound 
routes. I know the BGP optimization industry is weighted towards content 
networks. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

- Original Message - 

From: "Job Snijders" < j...@ntt.net > 
To: na...@nanog.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:06:49 PM 
Subject: BGP Optimizers (Was: Validating possible BGP MITM attack) 

Dear all, 

disclaimer: 

[ The following is targetted at the context where a BGP optimizer 
generates BGP announcement that are ordinarily not seen in the 
Default-Free Zone. The OP indicated they announce a /23, and were 
unpleasantly surprised to see two unauthorized announcements for /24 
more-specifics pop up in their alerting system. No permission was 
granted to create and announce these more-specifics. The AS_PATH 
for those /24 announcements was entirely fabricated. Original thread 
https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2017-August/092124.html ] 

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 11:13:18AM -0700, Andy Litzinger wrote: 
> Presuming it was a route optimizer and the issue was ongoing, what 
> would be the suggested course of action? 

I strongly recommend to turn off those BGP optimizers, glue the ports 
shut, burn the hardware, and salt the grounds on which the BGP optimizer 
sales people walked. 

It is extremely irresponsible behavior to use software that generates 
_fake_ BGP more-specifics for the purpose of traffic engineering. You 
simply cannot expect that those more-specifics will never escape into 
the global DFZ! Relying on NO_EXPORT is not sufficient: we regularly see 
software bugs related to NO_EXPORT, and community-squashing 
configuration mistakes happen all the time. 

Consider the following: if you leak your own internal more-specifics, at 
least you are the legitimate destination. (You may suffer from 
suboptimal routing, but it isn't guaranteed downtime.) However if you 
generate fake more-specifics for prefixes belonging to OTHER 
organisations, you essentially are complicit in BGP hijacking. If those 
fake more-specifics accidentally leak into the DFZ, you are bringing 
down the actual owner of such prefixes, and depriving people from access 
to the Internet. Example case: 
https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2013-January/054846.html 

> reach out to those 2 AS owners and see if they could stop it? 

Yes, absolutely! And if everyone of the affected parties of this 
localized hijack leak 

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

[Chuck McCown]

I have good luck with ServerPlus.  Part of the quality you get from them 
depends on the quality of the decision tree you give them.  

From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 10:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

Not surprising, but sad to hear things haven’t changed one bit with ServerPlus 
in the years since I swore I would never use them again, lol!

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

 

Supposed to specifically state not to ask for a mac from box. Because it was an 
issue. But, i bet we get an accurate bill. The bills are always consistent. The 
level of irate i have right now excedes my bac, thats pretty high at 944 pm

 

On Aug 31, 2017 9:31 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

  That idea is coming from somewhere and I too would think it comes from the 
DT.  None of my calls say anything about MAC (we NAT our SM).




   

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

  On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

What does your DT say to do?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:25:38 PM


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

Reviving a dead one, cause i can.

So serverplus, no matter how many times you ask them to stop, still asks 
customers for the mac off their router, even though 95 percent of the routers 
on the market list the freaking wireless mac. They cant seem to follow simple 
poe instructions, constantly escalating (and billing) when they hook poes up 
backward.

 

If you have another option, look into it. Because right now, ill get a 
follow up, solely because of this post, as i did from the original post im 
replying to. 

 

 

I dont mind our own mopes being mopes. I dont even ming paid mopes being 
mopes. What i dont like is mopes, billing us for mopery, and escalating 
response to being mopes when called out in public only. Promising to deescalate 
the mopery, and continuing to be mopes and billing for mopery.

 

At this point, direct dialing saudi arabia is a better option. At least 
when amrut answers the phone, our customers expectations drop to the level of 
outsource. And amrut will actually be consistent.

 

On Jul 12, 2017 7:10 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

  I'm not Direct TV and don't want to be compared to them.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

  On Jul 11, 2017 10:43 PM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:

I am happy what we pay with the average hold times averaging 1-2 
minutes. Our residential subs don't need hold times any shorter than that for 
after hours support. Compared to our other WISP's, we're the only one that 
offers 24/7 support anyway so we're already ahead of the competition there.

 

I know when I call DirecTV or Verizon, Centurylink, I almost always 
wait at least 3-5 minutes before I get a rep. Not always but usually. 

 

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

  I would pay 30% more from my current rates to reduce it to sub 30 
seconds.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

  On Jul 11, 2017 6:36 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

I am in the camp of “screw em”, let them hold or else they can call 
us in the morning.

 

I would probably feel different if you were the first point of 
contact for all calls.  

 

But we take our calls directly during most waking & working hours.  

 

From: Layne Sisk 

Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 4:30 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

 

So Steve, I am not sure I fully understand the questions you are 
posing here, but I believe it is a simple integration issue that we can resolve 
easily.   Since you have been live with us less than 2 weeks I am sure it is 
simply a setting that can be adjusted.  I will email you off-list so we can set 
up a call to address the concerns. 

 

To address the comments mentioned by some others in the thread:

 

  

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Chuck McCown]

There  are lots of nice pump type water filters that can make drinkable water 
out of almost anything.
One would think they would have lots of those on hand in areas that get 
flooding like this.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:49 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

Water is scarce down there ..my wife and I provided 20 cases (40 bottles) to a 
supply convoy heading out tonight.  We are going to send clothes on 
Saturday..Fort Bliss soldiers and several law enforcement officers are en 
route.  


Jaime Solorza

On Aug 31, 2017 8:43 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  A company sent me an email for IT support work in Houston for Home Depots, 
Dollar Store and others.. i have work here and in Lubbock next three 
weeks...but I asked for SCOW and timeline, plus pay scale..they are covering 
travel and expenses.  Plus I have support contract with GPS and Arcticcom so a 
long stay in Houston area would be tough.  


  Jaime Solorza

  On Aug 31, 2017 8:37 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

Was at a contract customer today, hes a truck managemnet and delivery 
outfit, not sure what its called, but he basically is who they call when they 
have stuff to go from a to b, and he arranges the truck... sombody please tell 
me what thats called, ive been going there for ten years and now feel too dumb 
to ask what its called. 
He was trying to set up a run into houston and couldnt get hold of anybody, 
was to the point of googling the shipper recipient to find a contact or cell 
number, crazy.
I said "youll be making bank off this when the rebuild starys i bet"
He said no, after katrina and sandy it was virtually impossible to find non 
contract trucks, cause the standard truck reaponse is "will you match what fema 
pays?"
Its all a racket

On Aug 31, 2017 9:28 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

  You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the 
generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road tax.

  On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

I'm not advocating this, but why?

Electric cars don't pay anything.

If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel. 
Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can 
engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt with 
a diesel?

I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same 
thing, just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Robert" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

As long as you keep it off-road!

On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use 
> red diesel?  :-)
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 

> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 

> The Brothers WISP 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over 
gas
> 
> Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent 
> paying road tax.
> 
> On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter"  > wrote:
> 
> Funny you say that about the tank.
> 
> __ __
> 
> We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to
> our colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that 
had
> diesel.. 
> 
> It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to 

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Chuck McCown]

How about you just haul the generator in the trunk.  Then pull off road if  you 
want to start and charge...

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the generator 
is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road tax.

On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

  I'm not advocating this, but why?

  Electric cars don't pay anything.

  If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel. Well, I 
assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can engage the 
combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt with a diesel?

  I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same thing, 
just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Robert" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

  As long as you keep it off-road!

  On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
  > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use 
  > red diesel?  :-)
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > -
  > Mike Hammett
  > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
  > 

  > Midwest Internet Exchange 
  > 

  > The Brothers WISP 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
  > *To: *af@afmug.com
  > *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
  > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
  > 
  > Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent 
  > paying road tax.
  > 
  > On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter"  > wrote:
  > 
  > Funny you say that about the tank.
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to
  > our colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had
  > diesel.. 
  > 
  > It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call
  > around to see who had fuel for him.
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00
  > on their signs denoting that they have no gas.
  > 
  > People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations
  > that do.
  > 
  > All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that.
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > I personally think the media should be ashamed of the panic they set
  > off, but it’s all about what gets people pumped up, to them.
  > 
  > My wife works for a municipality, and their officers spent a fair
  > amount of time at gas stations today. They are short handed already,
  >   because
  > 
  > they have sent a contingent down to Houston. 
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > Richard Strittmatter
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
  > ] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
  > *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:52 PM
  > *To:* af@afmug.com 
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over
  > gas
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > I have an 8000 gallon tank of diesel at my shop. Hope I don't have
  > to refill it before the prices come back down.
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:43 PM Steve Jones
  > >
  > wrote:
  > 
  > Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we
  > would be down to just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands
  > we are still in the mid to high 70s, and as I understand it only
  > one refinery is slated to be offline for an extended time.
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > Its best to just get 20 or 30 gallons in reserve cans in the
  > garage, more if you have the capacity. It shouldnt be impactful,
  > but we are coming up on the labor day 

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Chuck McCown]

If it bleeds it leads.  Panic is the only thing they have to sell.  

From: Richard Strittmatter 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 7:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

Funny you say that about the tank.

 

We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to our colo 
genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had diesel.. 

It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call around to 
see who had fuel for him.

 

It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00 on their 
signs denoting that they have no gas.

People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations that do.

All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that.

 

I personally think the media should be ashamed of the panic they set off, but 
it’s all about what gets people pumped up, to them.

My wife works for a municipality, and their officers spent a fair amount of 
time at gas stations today. They are short handed already,  because

they have sent a contingent down to Houston. 

 

Richard Strittmatter

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

 

I have an 8000 gallon tank of diesel at my shop. Hope I don't have to refill it 
before the prices come back down.

 

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:43 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

  Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we would be down to 
just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands we are still in the mid to high 
70s, and as I understand it only one refinery is slated to be offline for an 
extended time.

   

  Its best to just get 20 or 30 gallons in reserve cans in the garage, more if 
you have the capacity. It shouldnt be impactful, but we are coming up on the 
labor day price hike, in conjunction with this, theres going to be some gouging 
attempts, but its been made federally clear that gouging wont be tolerated.

   

   

   

  On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

  So a news report came out claiming that the gas stations would soon run out 
of gas because the refineries are all shut down. So, guess what started 
happening in Fort Worth, a run on gas. I went to fill up my wife's car last 
night as it was running on about 1/8 tank and all the pumps were busy. I 
thought that was strange at 10pm. This morning, the local 7-11 where I make a 
morning stop had 4 deep at each pump. At lunch, every gas station I passed was 
the same. My truck was on E so I had to wait. I went home, emptied all my gas 
cans into my project truck, and went back and got in line. For the most part 
people were being courteous, but when I got out of my truck, a guy in a black 
BMW and a woman in red sedan were going at it over who was supposed to get the 
pump next at the pump in front of mine. She was threatening to back into his 
car so he called the cops. The truck in front of him pulled out so he got a 
pump and she got a pump in less than 30 seconds of arguing. He told her he had 
called the cops, so she then called the cops and claimed the guy accosted her, 
making it a priority call so they showed up quick. He pumped his gas and left 
and she waited for the cops. The look on the cops face said it all, "why the 
f*ck am I dealing with this woman with everything that is going on?" Fort Worth 
sent 100 offices down to Houston so they are short staffed right now, and an 
argument at the gas pump is not a high priority. Anyway, just a heads up as to 
what might be coming to the rest of the country soon. Most of the gas is 
refined down this way, so unless things get better fast, there could be 
shortages in a lot of places. 

   

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Re: BGP Optimizers (Was: Validating possible BGP MITM attack)

[Mike Hammett]

I'm sick and can't concentrate properly. Even when in damage control, I still 
managed to say the wrong ratio. I had consumed 3/4 of the thread so far, not 
1/4. 




;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 10:45:03 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: Re: BGP Optimizers (Was: Validating possible BGP MITM 
attack) 


Please convert this to a guy who just got into bgp. What are rhey talking about 
exactly? 
-- Forwarded message -- 
From: "Mike Hammett" < na...@ics-il.net > 
Date: Aug 31, 2017 9:06 PM 
Subject: Re: BGP Optimizers (Was: Validating possible BGP MITM attack) 
To: 
Cc: < na...@nanog.org > 



Sorry for now taking up 1/4 of this thread 


My words in the last message don't match what I was thinking, but I think you 
all get the point. I'm sick, maybe I should be in bed instead of on NANOG. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

- Original Message - 

From: "Mike Hammett" < na...@ics-il.net > 
Cc: na...@nanog.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:02:07 PM 
Subject: Re: BGP Optimizers (Was: Validating possible BGP MITM attack) 

Actually, I do remember that one of them would optimize inbound routes, but 
only billed on outbound usage (as it was content-focused). My in is over 8x my 
out, so hrm... maybe I'm on to something. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

- Original Message - 

From: "Mike Hammett" < na...@ics-il.net > 
Cc: na...@nanog.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:55:46 PM 
Subject: Re: BGP Optimizers (Was: Validating possible BGP MITM attack) 

I would like to use a BGP optimizer, but I'm too poor. :-\ 

That said, I'm also an eyeball network, so modifications of my own 
advertisements are what affects the desired traffic, not so much the outbound 
routes. I know the BGP optimization industry is weighted towards content 
networks. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

- Original Message - 

From: "Job Snijders" < j...@ntt.net > 
To: na...@nanog.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:06:49 PM 
Subject: BGP Optimizers (Was: Validating possible BGP MITM attack) 

Dear all, 

disclaimer: 

[ The following is targetted at the context where a BGP optimizer 
generates BGP announcement that are ordinarily not seen in the 
Default-Free Zone. The OP indicated they announce a /23, and were 
unpleasantly surprised to see two unauthorized announcements for /24 
more-specifics pop up in their alerting system. No permission was 
granted to create and announce these more-specifics. The AS_PATH 
for those /24 announcements was entirely fabricated. Original thread 
https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2017-August/092124.html ] 

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 11:13:18AM -0700, Andy Litzinger wrote: 
> Presuming it was a route optimizer and the issue was ongoing, what 
> would be the suggested course of action? 

I strongly recommend to turn off those BGP optimizers, glue the ports 
shut, burn the hardware, and salt the grounds on which the BGP optimizer 
sales people walked. 

It is extremely irresponsible behavior to use software that generates 
_fake_ BGP more-specifics for the purpose of traffic engineering. You 
simply cannot expect that those more-specifics will never escape into 
the global DFZ! Relying on NO_EXPORT is not sufficient: we regularly see 
software bugs related to NO_EXPORT, and community-squashing 
configuration mistakes happen all the time. 

Consider the following: if you leak your own internal more-specifics, at 
least you are the legitimate destination. (You may suffer from 
suboptimal routing, but it isn't guaranteed downtime.) However if you 
generate fake more-specifics for prefixes belonging to OTHER 
organisations, you essentially are complicit in BGP hijacking. If those 
fake more-specifics accidentally leak into the DFZ, you are bringing 
down the actual owner of such prefixes, and depriving people from access 
to the Internet. Example case: 
https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2013-January/054846.html 

> reach out to those 2 AS owners and see if they could stop it? 

Yes, absolutely! And if everyone of the affected parties of this 
localized hijack leak (or should we say 'victims') reaches out to the 
wrongdoers, they contribute peer pressure to rectify the situation. Just 
make sure you assign blame to the correct party. :) 

> Or is it something I just have to live with as a traffic engineering 
> solution they are using and mark the alerts as false positives? 

No, this is not something we should just accept. The Default-Free Zone 
is a shared resource. Anyone using "BGP