Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
I think i saw the product demoed on the movie "Office Christmas Party" - it's
kinda swell lol
ok, i don't feel comfortable making fun of ubnt... lol
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From: CBB - Jay Fuller
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you must (L)ove (T)he (U)biquiti?
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From: Bill Prince
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Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Best one yet.
bp
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Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
you must (L)ove (T)he (U)biquiti? ;) - Original Message - From: Bill Prince To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Best one yet. bp On 12/9/2016 9:53 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > Long Thermal Underwear
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Things are only getting more complex. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Lewis Bergman" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 9:22:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I did read your set framing idea. In theory that should work as long as you have some central controller so that all GPS grouped APs are accounted for and so that they all only change until they all know they should. Then you have to decide what APs are in what group. I. Guess they could all be in one group. Might be an issue with a large number. There would have to be some kind of flapping routine to make sure APs don't flip back and forth. I am not sure all the complexity is worth it. On Dec 10, 2016 8:22 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: Say you have 9 settings from 10/90 up to 90/10. All APs are reporting frame utilization back to a central controller. When half+1 of them are maxed on upload or download, the controller tells them all to move up or down one setting at some time slot well enough after all APs should have gotten the message (or maybe require a confirmation). They all change ratios at that same time slot. The controller waits some amount of time before deciding to move again if necessary. It doesn't need to change per packet or even per second. If it changed once a minute or once every five minutes, that would be far more granularity than we have now. If you're friendly with another WISP and you want to interconnect controllers for the purpose of sharing ratio information, then great. Otherwise, rock on. Implementation surely isn't easy, but the concept shouldn't be difficult. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 7:23:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? This reminds me of the reversible express lanes on Lake Shore Drive in Chicago. It depends on knowing that more people want to go one way in the morning and the other way in the evening. Globally. The only predictable pattern like that in our business might be to make the up/down ratio more asymmetric in the evening when the residential customers are watching video, and more symmetric during the day for business customers and in the middle of the night for cloud backup. But it really doesn’t matter except at peak usage times (again, globally, not just one tower with atypical customer traffic), so you might as well set your up/down ratio for 7-10 pm. PTP is different, some links don’t interfere with any other links and don’t need sync, so they can use dynamic up/down ratio. Cambium PTP500/600/650 has that mode, I’m surprised airFiber-X doesn’t. I end up setting mine at 50% because they are mostly in rings and you want the traffic to be able to go either way around the ring in case of a failure. From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Syncing requires everything working together. Dynamic allocation requires everything working as each AP sees is best. The two are at opposition. Making them work together likely means sacrificing so much of one or maybe both of them as to make them almost useless. In no engineer and notably ignorant but that is how I see it. On Sat, Dec 10, 2016, 5:30 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: Why? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:50:23 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Seems like fool’s gold, the concept is fundamentally flawed, not just waiting for someone to do it right. From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I'm not throwing vinegar. Just being an honest skeptic. ;-) bp On 12/10/2016 2:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: That's fine. It's not something I'm holding my breath on, but if someone does it, great. Throwing vinegar on it won't help, though. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:19:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Great in theory. I'll believe it when I see it. bp On 12/10/2016 2:18 PM,
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
I did read your set framing idea. In theory that should work as long as you have some central controller so that all GPS grouped APs are accounted for and so that they all only change until they all know they should. Then you have to decide what APs are in what group. I. Guess they could all be in one group. Might be an issue with a large number. There would have to be some kind of flapping routine to make sure APs don't flip back and forth. I am not sure all the complexity is worth it. On Dec 10, 2016 8:22 PM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > Say you have 9 settings from 10/90 up to 90/10. All APs are reporting > frame utilization back to a central controller. When half+1 of them are > maxed on upload or download, the controller tells them all to move up or > down one setting at some time slot well enough after all APs should have > gotten the message (or maybe require a confirmation). They all change > ratios at that same time slot. The controller waits some amount of time > before deciding to move again if necessary. It doesn't need to change per > packet or even per second. If it changed once a minute or once every five > minutes, that would be far more granularity than we have now. > > If you're friendly with another WISP and you want to interconnect > controllers for the purpose of sharing ratio information, then great. > Otherwise, rock on. > > > Implementation surely isn't easy, but the concept shouldn't be difficult. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Saturday, December 10, 2016 7:23:32 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > This reminds me of the reversible express lanes on Lake Shore Drive in > Chicago. It depends on knowing that more people want to go one way in the > morning and the other way in the evening. Globally. The only predictable > pattern like that in our business might be to make the up/down ratio more > asymmetric in the evening when the residential customers are watching > video, and more symmetric during the day for business customers and in the > middle of the night for cloud backup. But it really doesn’t matter except > at peak usage times (again, globally, not just one tower with atypical > customer traffic), so you might as well set your up/down ratio for 7-10 pm. > > > > PTP is different, some links don’t interfere with any other links and > don’t need sync, so they can use dynamic up/down ratio. Cambium > PTP500/600/650 has that mode, I’m surprised airFiber-X doesn’t. I end up > setting mine at 50% because they are mostly in rings and you want the > traffic to be able to go either way around the ring in case of a failure. > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman > *Sent:* Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:47 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > > > Syncing requires everything working together. Dynamic allocation requires > everything working as each AP sees is best. The two are at opposition. > Making them work together likely means sacrificing so much of one or maybe > both of them as to make them almost useless. > > In no engineer and notably ignorant but that is how I see it. > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2016, 5:30 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > > Why? > > > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebroth
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Yeah, funny how you can see dinner time on the traffic graphs. When I was a kid, my dad got home at 5:30 and we ate at 6:00. Apparently everyone in rural America still eats at precisely 6:00. I miss the days when we watched All in the Family, then Walter Cronkite, then Johnny Carson, then bedtime. Life had order. You didn’t start binge watching some show on Netflix until the sun comes up and it’s time to go to work. You would wake up at 2am to the National Anthem and a test pattern if you left the TV on. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 8:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? 7-10pm? Man, you got it easy. People around here go from 4pm (when the kids get home from school), slight lull around 6pm (dinner time) and then right back up until midnight when the kids are forced to go to bed, and then the parents (and probably still some of the kids) finally quit around 1-1:30am. Next week I fear school closings due to snow and/or sub-zero wind chill. Back in my school days, we still had to go when it was 0F, without wind chill. So did my parents in their day, plus "up hill both ways" but at least they had alcohol to warm them up, and a hit of acid and a joint on their trek. On 12/10/2016 7:23 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: This reminds me of the reversible express lanes on Lake Shore Drive in Chicago. It depends on knowing that more people want to go one way in the morning and the other way in the evening. Globally. The only predictable pattern like that in our business might be to make the up/down ratio more asymmetric in the evening when the residential customers are watching video, and more symmetric during the day for business customers and in the middle of the night for cloud backup. But it really doesn’t matter except at peak usage times (again, globally, not just one tower with atypical customer traffic), so you might as well set your up/down ratio for 7-10 pm. PTP is different, some links don’t interfere with any other links and don’t need sync, so they can use dynamic up/down ratio. Cambium PTP500/600/650 has that mode, I’m surprised airFiber-X doesn’t. I end up setting mine at 50% because they are mostly in rings and you want the traffic to be able to go either way around the ring in case of a failure. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:47 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Syncing requires everything working together. Dynamic allocation requires everything working as each AP sees is best. The two are at opposition. Making them work together likely means sacrificing so much of one or maybe both of them as to make them almost useless. In no engineer and notably ignorant but that is how I see it. On Sat, Dec 10, 2016, 5:30 PM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote: Why? - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:50:23 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Seems like fool’s gold, the concept is fundamentally flawed, not just waiting for someone to do it right. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:22 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I'm not throwing vinegar. Just being an honest skeptic. ;-) bp On 12/10/2016 2:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: That's fine. It's not something I'm holding my breath on, but if someone does it, great. Throwing vinegar on it won't help, though. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.faceboo
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Say you have 9 settings from 10/90 up to 90/10. All APs are reporting frame utilization back to a central controller. When half+1 of them are maxed on upload or download, the controller tells them all to move up or down one setting at some time slot well enough after all APs should have gotten the message (or maybe require a confirmation). They all change ratios at that same time slot. The controller waits some amount of time before deciding to move again if necessary. It doesn't need to change per packet or even per second. If it changed once a minute or once every five minutes, that would be far more granularity than we have now. If you're friendly with another WISP and you want to interconnect controllers for the purpose of sharing ratio information, then great. Otherwise, rock on. Implementation surely isn't easy, but the concept shouldn't be difficult. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 7:23:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? This reminds me of the reversible express lanes on Lake Shore Drive in Chicago. It depends on knowing that more people want to go one way in the morning and the other way in the evening. Globally. The only predictable pattern like that in our business might be to make the up/down ratio more asymmetric in the evening when the residential customers are watching video, and more symmetric during the day for business customers and in the middle of the night for cloud backup. But it really doesn’t matter except at peak usage times (again, globally, not just one tower with atypical customer traffic), so you might as well set your up/down ratio for 7-10 pm. PTP is different, some links don’t interfere with any other links and don’t need sync, so they can use dynamic up/down ratio. Cambium PTP500/600/650 has that mode, I’m surprised airFiber-X doesn’t. I end up setting mine at 50% because they are mostly in rings and you want the traffic to be able to go either way around the ring in case of a failure. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Syncing requires everything working together. Dynamic allocation requires everything working as each AP sees is best. The two are at opposition. Making them work together likely means sacrificing so much of one or maybe both of them as to make them almost useless. In no engineer and notably ignorant but that is how I see it. On Sat, Dec 10, 2016, 5:30 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: Why? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:50:23 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Seems like fool’s gold, the concept is fundamentally flawed, not just waiting for someone to do it right. From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I'm not throwing vinegar. Just being an honest skeptic. ;-) bp On 12/10/2016 2:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: That's fine. It's not something I'm holding my breath on, but if someone does it, great. Throwing vinegar on it won't help, though. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:19:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Great in theory. I'll believe it when I see it. bp On 12/10/2016 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It's system-wide. The controller is in your NOC. Perhaps one of the SDN technologies could manage the ratios. I'll admit that I haven't done much with OpenDayLight, but something like this fits into it's hype wheelhouse. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:13:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? That's OK for maybe one POP. How do you make sure the 6 POPs around you do the same thing? bp On 12/10/2016 2:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Controller knows system-wide what's up and sends out updates every so often to change at a certain time slot. It doesn't have to be real-time. Once a minute? Once every five minutes? It doesn't even need to be infinitely variable. Maybe there's
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
7-10pm? Man, you got it easy. People around here go from 4pm (when the
kids get home from school), slight lull around 6pm (dinner time) and
then right back up until midnight when the kids are forced to go to bed,
and then the parents (and probably still some of the kids) finally quit
around 1-1:30am.
Next week I fear school closings due to snow and/or sub-zero wind chill.
Back in my school days, we still had to go when it was 0F, without wind
chill. So did my parents in their day, plus "up hill both ways" but at
least they had alcohol to warm them up, and a hit of acid and a joint on
their trek.
On 12/10/2016 7:23 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
This reminds me of the reversible express lanes on Lake Shore Drive in
Chicago. It depends on knowing that more people want to go one way in
the morning and the other way in the evening. Globally. The only
predictable pattern like that in our business might be to make the
up/down ratio more asymmetric in the evening when the residential
customers are watching video, and more symmetric during the day for
business customers and in the middle of the night for cloud backup.
But it really doesn’t matter except at peak usage times (again,
globally, not just one tower with atypical customer traffic), so you
might as well set your up/down ratio for 7-10 pm.
PTP is different, some links don’t interfere with any other links and
don’t need sync, so they can use dynamic up/down ratio. Cambium
PTP500/600/650 has that mode, I’m surprised airFiber-X doesn’t. I end
up setting mine at 50% because they are mostly in rings and you want
the traffic to be able to go either way around the ring in case of a
failure.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Syncing requires everything working together. Dynamic allocation
requires everything working as each AP sees is best. The two are at
opposition. Making them work together likely means sacrificing so
much of one or maybe both of them as to make them almost useless.
In no engineer and notably ignorant but that is how I see it.
On Sat, Dec 10, 2016, 5:30 PM Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Why?
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*From: *"Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:50:23 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Seems like fool’s gold, the concept is fundamentally flawed, not
just waiting for someone to do it right.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:22 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
I'm not throwing vinegar. Just being an honest skeptic. ;-)
bp
On 12/10/2016 2:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
That's fine. It's not something I'm holding my breath on, but
if someone does it, great.
Throwing vinegar on it won't help, though.
-
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*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.co
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Did you read what I said to do? What's with that? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Lewis Bergman" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:46:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Syncing requires everything working together. Dynamic allocation requires everything working as each AP sees is best. The two are at opposition. Making them work together likely means sacrificing so much of one or maybe both of them as to make them almost useless. In no engineer and notably ignorant but that is how I see it. On Sat, Dec 10, 2016, 5:30 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: Why? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:50:23 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Seems like fool’s gold, the concept is fundamentally flawed, not just waiting for someone to do it right. From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I'm not throwing vinegar. Just being an honest skeptic. ;-) bp On 12/10/2016 2:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: That's fine. It's not something I'm holding my breath on, but if someone does it, great. Throwing vinegar on it won't help, though. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:19:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Great in theory. I'll believe it when I see it. bp On 12/10/2016 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It's system-wide. The controller is in your NOC. Perhaps one of the SDN technologies could manage the ratios. I'll admit that I haven't done much with OpenDayLight, but something like this fits into it's hype wheelhouse. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:13:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? That's OK for maybe one POP. How do you make sure the 6 POPs around you do the same thing? bp On 12/10/2016 2:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Controller knows system-wide what's up and sends out updates every so often to change at a certain time slot. It doesn't have to be real-time. Once a minute? Once every five minutes? It doesn't even need to be infinitely variable. Maybe there's four to eight settings that it goes among? Maybe you mark some devices as priority so their needs weighted more greatly, but otherwise if half the system is hitting contention in a given direction, move up to the next ratio at that next time slot. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 3:48:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I suppose if you negotiate ratio on every single transmission, you could come up with a terribly inefficient protocol that would be synced and dynamic. -----Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 2:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Synced dynamic ratio is pure fairy dust. bp On 12/10/2016 1:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > attempting to have a synced dynamic ratio platform, though. Hopefully > someone gets this some day.
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if every radio, base station, and subscriber had gps on it, knowing the 3 dimensional playing field of an entire network could give an operator a bajillion options for syncing it all up, but when all thats known is the base stations reletive position to x number subs with now knowledge of the other nodes its a pipe dream On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 7:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > im throwing vinegar, vinegar is just wine that became useless. I wouldnt > throw booze on it, because im going to heaven and that would be a sin. > worshiping false idols, thats another one, thats why the ubnt vinegar > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > >> I'm not throwing vinegar. Just being an honest skeptic. ;-) >> >> bp >> >> >> >> On 12/10/2016 2:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >> That's fine. It's not something I'm holding my breath on, but if someone >> does it, great. >> >> Throwing vinegar on it won't help, though. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Bill Prince" >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:19:00 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? >> >> Great in theory. I'll believe it when I see it. >> >> bp >> >> >> >> On 12/10/2016 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >> It's system-wide. The controller is in your NOC. Perhaps one of the SDN >> technologies could manage the ratios. I'll admit that I haven't done much >> with OpenDayLight, but something like this fits into it's hype wheelhouse. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Bill Prince" >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:13:38 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? >> >> That's OK for maybe one POP. How do you make sure the 6 POPs around you >> do the same thing? >> >> >> bp >> >> >> >> On 12/10/2016 2:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >> Controller knows system-wide what's up and sends out updates every so >> often to change at a certain time slot. It doesn't have to be real-time. >> Once a minute? Once every five minutes? It doesn't even need to be >> infinitely variable. Maybe there's four to eight settings that it goes >> among? Maybe you mark some devices as priority so their needs weighted more >> greatly, but otherwise if half the system is hitting contention in a given >> direction, move up to the next ratio at that next time slot. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.faceb
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im throwing vinegar, vinegar is just wine that became useless. I wouldnt throw booze on it, because im going to heaven and that would be a sin. worshiping false idols, thats another one, thats why the ubnt vinegar On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > I'm not throwing vinegar. Just being an honest skeptic. ;-) > > bp > > > > On 12/10/2016 2:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > That's fine. It's not something I'm holding my breath on, but if someone > does it, great. > > Throwing vinegar on it won't help, though. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Bill Prince" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:19:00 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > Great in theory. I'll believe it when I see it. > > bp > > > > On 12/10/2016 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > It's system-wide. The controller is in your NOC. Perhaps one of the SDN > technologies could manage the ratios. I'll admit that I haven't done much > with OpenDayLight, but something like this fits into it's hype wheelhouse. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Bill Prince" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:13:38 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > That's OK for maybe one POP. How do you make sure the 6 POPs around you do > the same thing? > > > bp > > > > On 12/10/2016 2:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > Controller knows system-wide what's up and sends out updates every so > often to change at a certain time slot. It doesn't have to be real-time. > Once a minute? Once every five minutes? It doesn't even need to be > infinitely variable. Maybe there's four to eight settings that it goes > among? Maybe you mark some devices as priority so their needs weighted more > greatly, but otherwise if half the system is hitting contention in a given > direction, move up to the next ratio at that next time slot. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Chuck McCown" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Saturday, December 10, 2016 3:48:15 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > I suppose if you negotiate ratio on every single transmission, you could > come up with a terribly inefficient protocol that would be synced and > dynamic. > > -Original Message- > From: Bill Prince > Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 2:46 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > Synced dynamic ratio is pure fairy dust. > > > bp > > > On 12/10/2016 1:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > attempting to have a synced dynamic ratio platform, though. Hopefully > > someone gets this some day. > > > > > > > > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
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This reminds me of the reversible express lanes on Lake Shore Drive in Chicago. It depends on knowing that more people want to go one way in the morning and the other way in the evening. Globally. The only predictable pattern like that in our business might be to make the up/down ratio more asymmetric in the evening when the residential customers are watching video, and more symmetric during the day for business customers and in the middle of the night for cloud backup. But it really doesn’t matter except at peak usage times (again, globally, not just one tower with atypical customer traffic), so you might as well set your up/down ratio for 7-10 pm. PTP is different, some links don’t interfere with any other links and don’t need sync, so they can use dynamic up/down ratio. Cambium PTP500/600/650 has that mode, I’m surprised airFiber-X doesn’t. I end up setting mine at 50% because they are mostly in rings and you want the traffic to be able to go either way around the ring in case of a failure. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Syncing requires everything working together. Dynamic allocation requires everything working as each AP sees is best. The two are at opposition. Making them work together likely means sacrificing so much of one or maybe both of them as to make them almost useless. In no engineer and notably ignorant but that is how I see it. On Sat, Dec 10, 2016, 5:30 PM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote: Why? - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:50:23 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Seems like fool’s gold, the concept is fundamentally flawed, not just waiting for someone to do it right. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:22 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I'm not throwing vinegar. Just being an honest skeptic. ;-) bp On 12/10/2016 2:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: That's fine. It's not something I'm holding my breath on, but if someone does it, great. Throwing vinegar on it won't help, though. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Bill Prince" <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:19:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Great in theory. I'll believe it when I see it. bp On 12/10/2016 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It's system-wide. The controller is in your NOC. Perhaps one of the SDN technologies could manage the ratios. I'll admit that I haven't done much with OpenDayLight, but something like this fits into it's hype wheelhouse. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
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Syncing requires everything working together. Dynamic allocation requires everything working as each AP sees is best. The two are at opposition. Making them work together likely means sacrificing so much of one or maybe both of them as to make them almost useless. In no engineer and notably ignorant but that is how I see it. On Sat, Dec 10, 2016, 5:30 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > Why? > > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -------------- > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:50:23 PM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > Seems like fool’s gold, the concept is fundamentally flawed, not just > waiting for someone to do it right. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince > *Sent:* Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:22 PM > > > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > > > I'm not throwing vinegar. Just being an honest skeptic. ;-) > > bp > > > > > > On 12/10/2016 2:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > That's fine. It's not something I'm holding my breath on, but if someone > does it, great. > > Throwing vinegar on it won't help, though. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > > *From: *"Bill Prince" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:19:00 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > Great in theory. I'll believe it when I see it. > > bp > > > > > > On 12/10/2016 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > It's system-wide. The controller is in your NOC. Perhaps one of the SDN > technologies could manage the ratios. I'll admit that I haven't done much > with OpenDayLight, but something like this fits into it's hype wheelhouse. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > > *From: *"Bill Prince" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:13:38 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > That's OK for maybe one POP. How do you make sure the 6 POPs around you do > the same thing? > > > > bp > > > > > > On 12/10/2016 2:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > Controller knows system-wide what's up and sends out updates every so > often to change at a certain time slot. It doesn't have to be real-time. > Once a minute? Once every five minutes? It doesn't even need to be > infinitely variable. Maybe there's four to eight settings
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Why? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:50:23 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Seems like fool’s gold, the concept is fundamentally flawed, not just waiting for someone to do it right. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I'm not throwing vinegar. Just being an honest skeptic. ;-) bp On 12/10/2016 2:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: That's fine. It's not something I'm holding my breath on, but if someone does it, great. Throwing vinegar on it won't help, though. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:19:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Great in theory. I'll believe it when I see it. bp On 12/10/2016 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It's system-wide. The controller is in your NOC. Perhaps one of the SDN technologies could manage the ratios. I'll admit that I haven't done much with OpenDayLight, but something like this fits into it's hype wheelhouse. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:13:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? That's OK for maybe one POP. How do you make sure the 6 POPs around you do the same thing? bp On 12/10/2016 2:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Controller knows system-wide what's up and sends out updates every so often to change at a certain time slot. It doesn't have to be real-time. Once a minute? Once every five minutes? It doesn't even need to be infinitely variable. Maybe there's four to eight settings that it goes among? Maybe you mark some devices as priority so their needs weighted more greatly, but otherwise if half the system is hitting contention in a given direction, move up to the next ratio at that next time slot. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 3:48:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I suppose if you negotiate ratio on every single transmission, you could come up with a terribly inefficient protocol that would be synced and dynamic. -Original Message----- From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 2:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Synced dynamic ratio is pure fairy dust. bp On 12/10/2016 1:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > attempting to have a synced dynamic ratio platform, though. Hopefully > someone gets this some day.
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Seems like fool’s gold, the concept is fundamentally flawed, not just waiting for someone to do it right. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I'm not throwing vinegar. Just being an honest skeptic. ;-) bp On 12/10/2016 2:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: That's fine. It's not something I'm holding my breath on, but if someone does it, great. Throwing vinegar on it won't help, though. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Bill Prince" <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:19:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Great in theory. I'll believe it when I see it. bp On 12/10/2016 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It's system-wide. The controller is in your NOC. Perhaps one of the SDN technologies could manage the ratios. I'll admit that I haven't done much with OpenDayLight, but something like this fits into it's hype wheelhouse. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Bill Prince" <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:13:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? That's OK for maybe one POP. How do you make sure the 6 POPs around you do the same thing? bp On 12/10/2016 2:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Controller knows system-wide what's up and sends out updates every so often to change at a certain time slot. It doesn't have to be real-time. Once a minute? Once every five minutes? It doesn't even need to be infinitely variable. Maybe there's four to eight settings that it goes among? Maybe you mark some devices as priority so their needs weighted more greatly, but otherwise if half the system is hitting contention in a given direction, move up to the next ratio at that next time slot. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Chuck McCown" <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 3:48:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I suppose if you negotiate ratio on every single transmission, you could come up with a terribly inefficient protocol that would be synced and dynamic. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 2:46 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Synced dynamic ratio is pure fairy dust. bp On 12/10/2016 1:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > attempting to have a synced dynamic ratio platform, though. Hopefully > someone gets this some day.
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
I'm not throwing vinegar. Just being an honest skeptic. ;-)
bp
On 12/10/2016 2:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
That's fine. It's not something I'm holding my breath on, but if
someone does it, great.
Throwing vinegar on it won't help, though.
-
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*From: *"Bill Prince"
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:19:00 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Great in theory. I'll believe it when I see it.
bp
On 12/10/2016 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
It's system-wide. The controller is in your NOC. Perhaps one of
the SDN technologies could manage the ratios. I'll admit that I
haven't done much with OpenDayLight, but something like this fits
into it's hype wheelhouse.
-
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*From: *"Bill Prince"
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:13:38 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
That's OK for maybe one POP. How do you make sure the 6 POPs
around you do the same thing?
bp
On 12/10/2016 2:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Controller knows system-wide what's up and sends out updates
every so often to change at a certain time slot. It doesn't
have to be real-time. Once a minute? Once every five minutes?
It doesn't even need to be infinitely variable. Maybe there's
four to eight settings that it goes among? Maybe you mark some
devices as priority so their needs weighted more greatly, but
otherwise if half the system is hitting contention in a given
direction, move up to the next ratio at that next time slot.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
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*From: *"Chuck McCown"
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Saturday, December 10, 2016 3:48:15 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
I suppose if you negotiate ratio on every single transmission,
you could
come up with a terribly inefficient protocol that would be
synced and
dynamic.
-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 2:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Synced dynamic ratio is pure fairy dust.
bp
On 12/10/2016 1:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> attempting to have a synced dynamic ratio platform, though.
Hopefully
> someone gets this some day.
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
That's fine. It's not something I'm holding my breath on, but if someone does it, great. Throwing vinegar on it won't help, though. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:19:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Great in theory. I'll believe it when I see it. bp On 12/10/2016 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: It's system-wide. The controller is in your NOC. Perhaps one of the SDN technologies could manage the ratios. I'll admit that I haven't done much with OpenDayLight, but something like this fits into it's hype wheelhouse. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:13:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? That's OK for maybe one POP. How do you make sure the 6 POPs around you do the same thing? bp On 12/10/2016 2:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Controller knows system-wide what's up and sends out updates every so often to change at a certain time slot. It doesn't have to be real-time. Once a minute? Once every five minutes? It doesn't even need to be infinitely variable. Maybe there's four to eight settings that it goes among? Maybe you mark some devices as priority so their needs weighted more greatly, but otherwise if half the system is hitting contention in a given direction, move up to the next ratio at that next time slot. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 3:48:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I suppose if you negotiate ratio on every single transmission, you could come up with a terribly inefficient protocol that would be synced and dynamic. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 2:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Synced dynamic ratio is pure fairy dust. bp On 12/10/2016 1:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > attempting to have a synced dynamic ratio platform, though. Hopefully > someone gets this some day.
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Great in theory. I'll believe it when I see it.
bp
On 12/10/2016 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
It's system-wide. The controller is in your NOC. Perhaps one of the
SDN technologies could manage the ratios. I'll admit that I haven't
done much with OpenDayLight, but something like this fits into it's
hype wheelhouse.
-
Mike Hammett
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*From: *"Bill Prince"
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:13:38 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
That's OK for maybe one POP. How do you make sure the 6 POPs around
you do the same thing?
bp
On 12/10/2016 2:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Controller knows system-wide what's up and sends out updates every
so often to change at a certain time slot. It doesn't have to be
real-time. Once a minute? Once every five minutes? It doesn't even
need to be infinitely variable. Maybe there's four to eight
settings that it goes among? Maybe you mark some devices as
priority so their needs weighted more greatly, but otherwise if
half the system is hitting contention in a given direction, move
up to the next ratio at that next time slot.
-
Mike Hammett
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*From: *"Chuck McCown"
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Saturday, December 10, 2016 3:48:15 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
I suppose if you negotiate ratio on every single transmission, you
could
come up with a terribly inefficient protocol that would be synced and
dynamic.
-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 2:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Synced dynamic ratio is pure fairy dust.
bp
On 12/10/2016 1:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> attempting to have a synced dynamic ratio platform, though.
Hopefully
> someone gets this some day.
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
It's system-wide. The controller is in your NOC. Perhaps one of the SDN technologies could manage the ratios. I'll admit that I haven't done much with OpenDayLight, but something like this fits into it's hype wheelhouse. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:13:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? That's OK for maybe one POP. How do you make sure the 6 POPs around you do the same thing? bp On 12/10/2016 2:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Controller knows system-wide what's up and sends out updates every so often to change at a certain time slot. It doesn't have to be real-time. Once a minute? Once every five minutes? It doesn't even need to be infinitely variable. Maybe there's four to eight settings that it goes among? Maybe you mark some devices as priority so their needs weighted more greatly, but otherwise if half the system is hitting contention in a given direction, move up to the next ratio at that next time slot. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 3:48:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I suppose if you negotiate ratio on every single transmission, you could come up with a terribly inefficient protocol that would be synced and dynamic. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 2:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Synced dynamic ratio is pure fairy dust. bp On 12/10/2016 1:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > attempting to have a synced dynamic ratio platform, though. Hopefully > someone gets this some day.
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
The same thing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:13:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? That's OK for maybe one POP. How do you make sure the 6 POPs around you do the same thing? bp On 12/10/2016 2:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Controller knows system-wide what's up and sends out updates every so often to change at a certain time slot. It doesn't have to be real-time. Once a minute? Once every five minutes? It doesn't even need to be infinitely variable. Maybe there's four to eight settings that it goes among? Maybe you mark some devices as priority so their needs weighted more greatly, but otherwise if half the system is hitting contention in a given direction, move up to the next ratio at that next time slot. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 3:48:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I suppose if you negotiate ratio on every single transmission, you could come up with a terribly inefficient protocol that would be synced and dynamic. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 2:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Synced dynamic ratio is pure fairy dust. bp On 12/10/2016 1:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > attempting to have a synced dynamic ratio platform, though. Hopefully > someone gets this some day.
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
That's OK for maybe one POP. How do you make sure the 6 POPs around you do the same thing? bp On 12/10/2016 2:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Controller knows system-wide what's up and sends out updates every so often to change at a certain time slot. It doesn't have to be real-time. Once a minute? Once every five minutes? It doesn't even need to be infinitely variable. Maybe there's four to eight settings that it goes among? Maybe you mark some devices as priority so their needs weighted more greatly, but otherwise if half the system is hitting contention in a given direction, move up to the next ratio at that next time slot. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Chuck McCown" *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, December 10, 2016 3:48:15 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I suppose if you negotiate ratio on every single transmission, you could come up with a terribly inefficient protocol that would be synced and dynamic. -Original Message----- From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 2:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Synced dynamic ratio is pure fairy dust. bp On 12/10/2016 1:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > attempting to have a synced dynamic ratio platform, though. Hopefully > someone gets this some day.
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Controller knows system-wide what's up and sends out updates every so often to change at a certain time slot. It doesn't have to be real-time. Once a minute? Once every five minutes? It doesn't even need to be infinitely variable. Maybe there's four to eight settings that it goes among? Maybe you mark some devices as priority so their needs weighted more greatly, but otherwise if half the system is hitting contention in a given direction, move up to the next ratio at that next time slot. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 3:48:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I suppose if you negotiate ratio on every single transmission, you could come up with a terribly inefficient protocol that would be synced and dynamic. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 2:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Synced dynamic ratio is pure fairy dust. bp On 12/10/2016 1:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > attempting to have a synced dynamic ratio platform, though. Hopefully > someone gets this some day.
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
When I first saw a prototype of the alleged beam-forming air-whatever back in 2006?, 2007?,2008? Animal Farm, the UBNT engineers were touting the dynamic sync capability (in addition to the beam forming). I told them way back then that the dynamic sync was great "sizzle", but I was more interested in some "steak". bp On 12/10/2016 1:48 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I suppose if you negotiate ratio on every single transmission, you could come up with a terribly inefficient protocol that would be synced and dynamic. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 2:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Synced dynamic ratio is pure fairy dust. bp On 12/10/2016 1:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: attempting to have a synced dynamic ratio platform, though. Hopefully someone gets this some day.
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
It could be done, but I don't expect it to be. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 3:46:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Synced dynamic ratio is pure fairy dust. bp On 12/10/2016 1:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > attempting to have a synced dynamic ratio platform, though. Hopefully > someone gets this some day.
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
I suppose if you negotiate ratio on every single transmission, you could come up with a terribly inefficient protocol that would be synced and dynamic. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 2:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Synced dynamic ratio is pure fairy dust. bp On 12/10/2016 1:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: attempting to have a synced dynamic ratio platform, though. Hopefully someone gets this some day.
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Synced dynamic ratio is pure fairy dust. bp On 12/10/2016 1:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: attempting to have a synced dynamic ratio platform, though. Hopefully someone gets this some day.
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
1) This is largely the team that made Canopy and airFiber. They're some smart fellers. 2) M series GPS *DID* work and I know people that were using it at least somewhat recently, maybe still are. It just didn't work as "we" expected it to and it had a 50% bandwidth hit. I applaud them for attempting to have a synced dynamic ratio platform, though. Hopefully someone gets this some day. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 3:24:31 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? exact same thing they said about m series gps On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: They said they have it running now, just not on customer's networks yet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 10:55:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? In picture form it is. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Tushar Patel < tpa...@ecpi.com > wrote: Oh wow. Is the silicon out yet? Tushar > On Dec 9, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: > > New radio platform from the air fiber team. In a nutshell: > FDD or HDD > PTMP > 4096QAM > Custom silicon rather than COTS chipset > 2 million PPS > channel sizes up to 100mhz > The speaker makes an allusion to copying the useful features from LTE but > leaving the mobility baggage. > > It's powerpointware / vaporware at the moment. > > -- Original Message ------ > From: "Bill Prince" < part15...@gmail.com > > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 12/9/2016 11:43:07 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > >> OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing hype >> from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal >> circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz. >> >> What pray tell is LTU? >> >> >> bp >> >> >>> On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's side. If >>> not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a very similar >>> acronym? >> > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
exact same thing they said about m series gps On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > They said they have it running now, just not on customer's networks yet. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------ > *From: *"Josh Luthman" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, December 9, 2016 10:55:11 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > In picture form it is. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340> > Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343> > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Tushar Patel wrote: > >> Oh wow. Is the silicon out yet? >> >> Tushar >> >> >> > On Dec 9, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> > >> > New radio platform from the air fiber team. In a nutshell: >> > FDD or HDD >> > PTMP >> > 4096QAM >> > Custom silicon rather than COTS chipset >> > 2 million PPS >> > channel sizes up to 100mhz >> > The speaker makes an allusion to copying the useful features from LTE >> but leaving the mobility baggage. >> > >> > It's powerpointware / vaporware at the moment. >> > >> > -- Original Message -- >> > From: "Bill Prince" >> > To: af@afmug.com >> > Sent: 12/9/2016 11:43:07 AM >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? >> > >> >> OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing >> hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal >> circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz. >> >> >> >> What pray tell is LTU? >> >> >> >> >> >> bp >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's >> side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a >> very similar acronym? >> >> >> > >> >> > > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
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What?!? No pony? bp On 12/9/2016 9:30 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: PMP. 5 GHz unlicensed. 4096QAM. 100 MHz channel. And world peace. Seriously, how much trouble do you have getting a 40 MHz airFiber PTP link to run at 10X? And where are you going to find 100 MHz of 5 GHz spectrum for PMP? The acronym LTU almost seems like a play on LTE-U, but that makes no sense, as LTE-U talks directly to handsets. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 10:49 AM To: af@afmug.com; af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? New radio platform from the air fiber team. In a nutshell: FDD or HDD PTMP 4096QAM Custom silicon rather than COTS chipset 2 million PPS channel sizes up to 100mhz The speaker makes an allusion to copying the useful features from LTE but leaving the mobility baggage. It's powerpointware / vaporware at the moment. -- Original Message -- From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 12/9/2016 11:43:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz. What pray tell is LTU? bp On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a very similar acronym?
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It's all about your margins. Moar signal, tighter APs, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 11:30:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? PMP. 5 GHz unlicensed. 4096QAM. 100 MHz channel. And world peace. Seriously, how much trouble do you have getting a 40 MHz airFiber PTP link to run at 10X? And where are you going to find 100 MHz of 5 GHz spectrum for PMP? The acronym LTU almost seems like a play on LTE-U, but that makes no sense, as LTE-U talks directly to handsets. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 10:49 AM To: af@afmug.com; af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? New radio platform from the air fiber team. In a nutshell: FDD or HDD PTMP 4096QAM Custom silicon rather than COTS chipset 2 million PPS channel sizes up to 100mhz The speaker makes an allusion to copying the useful features from LTE but leaving the mobility baggage. It's powerpointware / vaporware at the moment. -- Original Message -- From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 12/9/2016 11:43:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? >OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing >hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal >circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz. > >What pray tell is LTU? > > >bp > > >On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's >>side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use >>a very similar acronym? >
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They said they have it running now, just not on customer's networks yet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 10:55:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? In picture form it is. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Tushar Patel < tpa...@ecpi.com > wrote: Oh wow. Is the silicon out yet? Tushar > On Dec 9, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: > > New radio platform from the air fiber team. In a nutshell: > FDD or HDD > PTMP > 4096QAM > Custom silicon rather than COTS chipset > 2 million PPS > channel sizes up to 100mhz > The speaker makes an allusion to copying the useful features from LTE but > leaving the mobility baggage. > > It's powerpointware / vaporware at the moment. > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Bill Prince" < part15...@gmail.com > > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 12/9/2016 11:43:07 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > >> OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing hype >> from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal >> circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz. >> >> What pray tell is LTU? >> >> >> bp >> >> >>> On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's side. If >>> not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a very similar >>> acronym? >> >
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Watch the video I made of their presentation on it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 10:43:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz. What pray tell is LTU? bp On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's > side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use > a very similar acronym?
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and SFP ports - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@afmug.com, af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 10:48:38 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? New radio platform from the air fiber team. In a nutshell: FDD or HDD PTMP 4096QAM Custom silicon rather than COTS chipset 2 million PPS channel sizes up to 100mhz The speaker makes an allusion to copying the useful features from LTE but leaving the mobility baggage. It's powerpointware / vaporware at the moment. -- Original Message -- From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 12/9/2016 11:43:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? >OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing >hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal >circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz. > >What pray tell is LTU? > > >bp > > >On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's >>side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use >>a very similar acronym? >
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Twilight Sparkle is getting ready. -- Original Message -- From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 12/9/2016 2:32:30 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Lick the Tears of Unicorns On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: Actually I believe it was to confuse LTE-U with LTU LTE –U stands for Long Term Evolution – Unlicensed, what LTU stands for? From: Af on behalf of Mike Hammett Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Friday, December 9, 2016 at 8:55 AM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a very similar acronym? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> Gino Villarini PresidentMetro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 ------------ From: "Josh Reynolds" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 10:40:29 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I think mixing LTE with what UBNT is doing would be a mistake. Were you under the impression they were doing an LTE variant? On Dec 8, 2016 10:35 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" wrote: It is common with LTE. UBNT calls it LTU so may be they look what others do at the RF layer. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jon Langeler Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 16:45 An:af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? It's not common. But you wouldn't need sync. You would need channel spacing and such. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. On Dec 8, 2016, at 10:36 AM, castarritt . wrote: Why would you want to run FDD for PTMP? Wouldn't that prevent using sync for frequency re-use? On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt wrote: If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed to deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and past) it will be different than 450m. What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD. Then it will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 can do. If Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced mimo patterns“ but who knows. I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are „might happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, … Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04 An:af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots of boxes. It won't be a 450m, though. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" To: "af" Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a non-forklift migration path to ePMP. I don't see either Elevate or ePMP playing to the same market is the AirFiber LTU or the 450-derived platforms (including Medusa). My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the AirFiber LTU is going to live in the spot between the ePMP/802.11 derived radios and the 450m, both in price and performance. Put differently: 802.11switch 450i and Airfiber LTU, or change < t
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its definely the unicorn with ubnt On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > It has nothing to do with LTE at all. > > Long Term Ubiquiti is what I heard, but maybe that's unofficial. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -------------- > *From: *"Bill Prince" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, December 9, 2016 1:32:21 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > I believe that the specification for LTE-U is not finalized. So since > they can't spin directly to LTE-U, they just made something up. > > I'm willing to bet that no one from UBNT will chime in to clarify. > > > bp > > > On 12/9/2016 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: > > Actually I believe it was to confuse LTE-U with LTU > > > > LTE –U stands for Long Term Evolution – Unlicensed, what LTU stands for? > > > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
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It has nothing to do with LTE at all. Long Term Ubiquiti is what I heard, but maybe that's unofficial. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 1:32:21 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I believe that the specification for LTE-U is not finalized. So since they can't spin directly to LTE-U, they just made something up. I'm willing to bet that no one from UBNT will chime in to clarify. bp On 12/9/2016 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: > Actually I believe it was to confuse LTE-U with LTU > > LTE –U stands for Long Term Evolution – Unlicensed, what LTU stands for?
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https://www.ltu.edu/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 1:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Launch That Unicorn! bp On 12/9/2016 11:32 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Lick the Tears of Unicorns On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote: Actually I believe it was to confuse LTE-U with LTU LTE –U stands for Long Term Evolution – Unlicensed, what LTU stands for? From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " mailto:af@afmug.com> > Date: Friday, December 9, 2016 at 8:55 AM To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " mailto:af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a very similar acronym? - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 _ From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 10:40:29 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I think mixing LTE with what UBNT is doing would be a mistake. Were you under the impression they were doing an LTE variant? On Dec 8, 2016 10:35 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" mailto:s...@genias.net> > wrote: It is common with LTE. UBNT calls it LTU so may be they look what others do at the RF layer. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] Im Auftrag von Jon Langeler Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 16:45 An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? It's not common. But you wouldn't need sync. You would need channel spacing and such. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. On Dec 8, 2016, at 10:36 AM, castarritt . mailto:castarr...@gmail.com> > wrote: Why would you want to run FDD for PTMP? Wouldn't that prevent using sync for frequency re-use? On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt mailto:s...@genias.net> > wrote: If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed to deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and past) it will be different than 450m. What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD. Then it will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 can do. If Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced mimo patterns“ but who knows. I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are „might happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, … Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04 An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots of boxes. It won't be a 450m, though. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM Su
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Launches Tits Up?
From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Lick the Tears of Unicorns
On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
Actually I believe it was to confuse LTE-U with LTU
LTE –U stands for Long Term Evolution – Unlicensed, what LTU stands for?
From: Af on behalf of Mike Hammett
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com"
Date: Friday, December 9, 2016 at 8:55 AM
To: "af@afmug.com"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's side. If
not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a very similar
acronym?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
Gino Villarini
President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
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From: "Josh Reynolds"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 10:40:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
I think mixing LTE with what UBNT is doing would be a mistake. Were you under
the impression they were doing an LTE variant?
On Dec 8, 2016 10:35 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" wrote:
It is common with LTE. UBNT calls it LTU so may be they look what others do
at the RF layer.
Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jon Langeler
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 16:45
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
It's not common. But you wouldn't need sync. You would need channel spacing
and such.
Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
On Dec 8, 2016, at 10:36 AM, castarritt . wrote:
Why would you want to run FDD for PTMP? Wouldn't that prevent using sync
for frequency re-use?
On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt wrote:
If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed
to deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and
past) it will be different than 450m.
What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD.
Then it will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 can
do. If Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced mimo
patterns“ but who knows.
I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are
„might happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, …
Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots
of boxes. It won't be a 450m, though.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
To: "af"
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a non-forklift
migration path to ePMP. I don't see either Elevate or ePMP playing to the
same market is the AirFiber LTU or the 450-derived platforms (including Medusa).
My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the AirFiber
LTU is going to live in the spot between the ePMP/802.11 derived radios and the
450m, both in price and performance.
Put differently: 802.11 wrote:
It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed
all the Chips ground up for WISP's only
And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is
having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn
on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of
getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert cares as he
already knows he won the end game
On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman
wrote:
Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that
news. Not that coming out with the product would really do that.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson"
wrote:
Announcement of AF PTMP??
On
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Lick the Tears of Unicorns On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: > Actually I believe it was to confuse LTE-U with LTU > > LTE –U stands for Long Term Evolution – Unlicensed, what LTU stands for? > > From: Af on behalf of Mike Hammett < > af...@ics-il.net> > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > Date: Friday, December 9, 2016 at 8:55 AM > To: "af@afmug.com" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's side. If > not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a very similar > acronym? > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > > > *Gino Villarini* > President > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 > > -- > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Thursday, December 8, 2016 10:40:29 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > I think mixing LTE with what UBNT is doing would be a mistake. Were you > under the impression they were doing an LTE variant? > > On Dec 8, 2016 10:35 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" wrote: > >> It is common with LTE. UBNT calls it LTU so may be they look what others >> do at the RF layer. >> >> >> >> >> >> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Jon Langeler >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 16:45 >> *An:* af@afmug.com >> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? >> >> >> >> It's not common. But you wouldn't need sync. You would need channel >> spacing and such. >> >> Jon Langeler >> >> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >> >> >> >> >> On Dec 8, 2016, at 10:36 AM, castarritt . wrote: >> >> Why would you want to run FDD for PTMP? Wouldn't that prevent using sync >> for frequency re-use? >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt wrote: >> >> If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed to >> deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and >> past) it will be different than 450m. >> >> >> >> What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD. >> Then it will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 >> can do. If Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced >> mimo patterns“ but who knows. >> >> >> >> I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are „might >> happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, … >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Mike Hammett >> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04 >> *An:* af@afmug.com >> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? >> >> >> >> LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots >> of boxes. It won't be a 450m, though. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> >> *From: *"
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
I believe that the specification for LTE-U is not finalized. So since they can't spin directly to LTE-U, they just made something up. I'm willing to bet that no one from UBNT will chime in to clarify. bp On 12/9/2016 11:26 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Actually I believe it was to confuse LTE-U with LTU LTE –U stands for Long Term Evolution – Unlicensed, what LTU stands for?
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Actually I believe it was to confuse LTE-U with LTU LTE –U stands for Long Term Evolution – Unlicensed, what LTU stands for? From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Friday, December 9, 2016 at 8:55 AM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a very similar acronym? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png] From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 10:40:29 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I think mixing LTE with what UBNT is doing would be a mistake. Were you under the impression they were doing an LTE variant? On Dec 8, 2016 10:35 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" mailto:s...@genias.net>> wrote: It is common with LTE. UBNT calls it LTU so may be they look what others do at the RF layer. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] Im Auftrag von Jon Langeler Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 16:45 An: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? It's not common. But you wouldn't need sync. You would need channel spacing and such. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. On Dec 8, 2016, at 10:36 AM, castarritt . mailto:castarr...@gmail.com>> wrote: Why would you want to run FDD for PTMP? Wouldn't that prevent using sync for frequency re-use? On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt mailto:s...@genias.net>> wrote: If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed to deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and past) it will be different than 450m. What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD. Then it will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 can do. If Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced mimo patterns“ but who knows. I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are „might happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, … Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04 An: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots of boxes. It won't be a 450m, though. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.faceb
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
4096QAM might only work at super short range, but I'm sure it will be nice when it works. -- Original Message -- From: "Ken Hohhof" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 12/9/2016 12:30:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? PMP. 5 GHz unlicensed. 4096QAM. 100 MHz channel. And world peace. Seriously, how much trouble do you have getting a 40 MHz airFiber PTP link to run at 10X? And where are you going to find 100 MHz of 5 GHz spectrum for PMP? The acronym LTU almost seems like a play on LTE-U, but that makes no sense, as LTE-U talks directly to handsets. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 10:49 AM To: af@afmug.com; af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? New radio platform from the air fiber team. In a nutshell: FDD or HDD PTMP 4096QAM Custom silicon rather than COTS chipset 2 million PPS channel sizes up to 100mhz The speaker makes an allusion to copying the useful features from LTE but leaving the mobility baggage. It's powerpointware / vaporware at the moment. -- Original Message -- From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 12/9/2016 11:43:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz. What pray tell is LTU? bp On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a very similar acronym?
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
I agree. Not only is it clever, but currently cold so very topical. As an added bonus, I like thermal underwear and it conjurs notions of little Suzy Who in her Who jammies guilting the Grinch. Think I made some words up there. On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:37 PM Bill Prince wrote: > Best one yet. > > > bp > > > On 12/9/2016 9:53 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > > Long Thermal Underwear > >
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Best one yet. bp On 12/9/2016 9:53 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote: Long Thermal Underwear
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Long Thermal Underwear On Dec 9, 2016 10:05 AM, wrote: > Laboratory Test Unit > > -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Friday, December 9, > 2016 9:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good > News? > OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing hype > from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal > circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz. > > What pray tell is LTU? > > > bp > > > On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's side. >> If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a very >> similar acronym? >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
There's a reason they didn't give the words for the acronym. There is no acronym, and you can make it whatever you want. Maybe Listen To Ubiquiti... bp On 12/9/2016 9:30 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: PMP. 5 GHz unlicensed. 4096QAM. 100 MHz channel. And world peace. Seriously, how much trouble do you have getting a 40 MHz airFiber PTP link to run at 10X? And where are you going to find 100 MHz of 5 GHz spectrum for PMP? The acronym LTU almost seems like a play on LTE-U, but that makes no sense, as LTE-U talks directly to handsets. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 10:49 AM To: af@afmug.com; af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? New radio platform from the air fiber team. In a nutshell: FDD or HDD PTMP 4096QAM Custom silicon rather than COTS chipset 2 million PPS channel sizes up to 100mhz The speaker makes an allusion to copying the useful features from LTE but leaving the mobility baggage. It's powerpointware / vaporware at the moment. -- Original Message -- From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 12/9/2016 11:43:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz. What pray tell is LTU? bp On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a very similar acronym?
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
It is a play on LTE I believe Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > PMP. 5 GHz unlicensed. 4096QAM. 100 MHz channel. And world peace. > > Seriously, how much trouble do you have getting a 40 MHz airFiber PTP link > to run at 10X? And where are you going to find 100 MHz of 5 GHz spectrum > for PMP? > > The acronym LTU almost seems like a play on LTE-U, but that makes no > sense, as LTE-U talks directly to handsets. > > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett > Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 10:49 AM > To: af@afmug.com; af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > New radio platform from the air fiber team. In a nutshell: > FDD or HDD > PTMP > 4096QAM > Custom silicon rather than COTS chipset > 2 million PPS > channel sizes up to 100mhz > The speaker makes an allusion to copying the useful features from LTE but > leaving the mobility baggage. > > It's powerpointware / vaporware at the moment. > > -- Original Message ------ > From: "Bill Prince" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 12/9/2016 11:43:07 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > >OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing > >hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal > >circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz. > > > >What pray tell is LTU? > > > > > >bp > > > > > >On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >>The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's > >>side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use > >>a very similar acronym? > > > > > >
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
PMP. 5 GHz unlicensed. 4096QAM. 100 MHz channel. And world peace. Seriously, how much trouble do you have getting a 40 MHz airFiber PTP link to run at 10X? And where are you going to find 100 MHz of 5 GHz spectrum for PMP? The acronym LTU almost seems like a play on LTE-U, but that makes no sense, as LTE-U talks directly to handsets. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 10:49 AM To: af@afmug.com; af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? New radio platform from the air fiber team. In a nutshell: FDD or HDD PTMP 4096QAM Custom silicon rather than COTS chipset 2 million PPS channel sizes up to 100mhz The speaker makes an allusion to copying the useful features from LTE but leaving the mobility baggage. It's powerpointware / vaporware at the moment. -- Original Message -- From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 12/9/2016 11:43:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? >OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing >hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal >circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz. > >What pray tell is LTU? > > >bp > > >On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's >>side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use >>a very similar acronym? >
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
In the presentation the guy said that the chip is out and they are testing within UBNT. He also said long way to go too. Tushar > On Dec 9, 2016, at 10:55 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > In picture form it is. > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > >> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Tushar Patel wrote: >> Oh wow. Is the silicon out yet? >> >> Tushar >> >> >> > On Dec 9, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> > >> > New radio platform from the air fiber team. In a nutshell: >> > FDD or HDD >> > PTMP >> > 4096QAM >> > Custom silicon rather than COTS chipset >> > 2 million PPS >> > channel sizes up to 100mhz >> > The speaker makes an allusion to copying the useful features from LTE but >> > leaving the mobility baggage. >> > >> > It's powerpointware / vaporware at the moment. >> > >> > -- Original Message -- >> > From: "Bill Prince" >> > To: af@afmug.com >> > Sent: 12/9/2016 11:43:07 AM >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? >> > >> >> OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing >> >> hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal >> >> circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz. >> >> >> >> What pray tell is LTU? >> >> >> >> >> >> bp >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's side. >> >>> If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a very >> >>> similar acronym? >> >> >> > >> >
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lie to u On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > AGREED > > On Dec 8, 2016 8:23 AM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > >> Don't get me wrong, I think LTU will be out next year and I do think >> it'll be a big hit, mitigating a lot of the issues we've seen in their >> AirMax platform. It has just seemed like it takes a lot to get any of the >> groups there to really do what the customers want. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Seth Mattinen" >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Thursday, December 8, 2016 8:12:59 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? >> >> On 12/8/16 4:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> > UBNT has to execute, though. They haven't been great at that. >> >> >> UBNT will always have their diehard fans for whom execution isn't that >> important. >> >> ~Seth >> >> -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Laboratory Test Unit -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 9:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz. What pray tell is LTU? bp On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a very similar acronym?
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AGREED On Dec 8, 2016 8:23 AM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > Don't get me wrong, I think LTU will be out next year and I do think it'll > be a big hit, mitigating a lot of the issues we've seen in their AirMax > platform. It has just seemed like it takes a lot to get any of the groups > there to really do what the customers want. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Seth Mattinen" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Thursday, December 8, 2016 8:12:59 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > On 12/8/16 4:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > UBNT has to execute, though. They haven't been great at that. > > > UBNT will always have their diehard fans for whom execution isn't that > important. > > ~Seth > >
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
That's what it looks like to me after seeing the 10-minute WISPA presentation. They never give words to the acronym, so your interpretation is what it must be. bp On 12/9/2016 8:48 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: Long term Ubiquity
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
In picture form it is. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Tushar Patel wrote: > Oh wow. Is the silicon out yet? > > Tushar > > > > On Dec 9, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > > > New radio platform from the air fiber team. In a nutshell: > > FDD or HDD > > PTMP > > 4096QAM > > Custom silicon rather than COTS chipset > > 2 million PPS > > channel sizes up to 100mhz > > The speaker makes an allusion to copying the useful features from LTE > but leaving the mobility baggage. > > > > It's powerpointware / vaporware at the moment. > > > > -- Original Message ------ > > From: "Bill Prince" > > To: af@afmug.com > > Sent: 12/9/2016 11:43:07 AM > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > > >> OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing > hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal > circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz. > >> > >> What pray tell is LTU? > >> > >> > >> bp > >> > >> > >>> On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >>> The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's > side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a > very similar acronym? > >> > > > >
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Oh wow. Is the silicon out yet? Tushar > On Dec 9, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > New radio platform from the air fiber team. In a nutshell: > FDD or HDD > PTMP > 4096QAM > Custom silicon rather than COTS chipset > 2 million PPS > channel sizes up to 100mhz > The speaker makes an allusion to copying the useful features from LTE but > leaving the mobility baggage. > > It's powerpointware / vaporware at the moment. > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Bill Prince" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 12/9/2016 11:43:07 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > >> OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing hype >> from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal >> circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz. >> >> What pray tell is LTU? >> >> >> bp >> >> >>> On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's side. If >>> not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a very similar >>> acronym? >> >
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Long term Ubiquity On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:43 AM Bill Prince wrote: > OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing > hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal > circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz. > > What pray tell is LTU? > > > bp > > > On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's > > side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use > > a very similar acronym? > >
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New radio platform from the air fiber team. In a nutshell: FDD or HDD PTMP 4096QAM Custom silicon rather than COTS chipset 2 million PPS channel sizes up to 100mhz The speaker makes an allusion to copying the useful features from LTE but leaving the mobility baggage. It's powerpointware / vaporware at the moment. -- Original Message -- From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 12/9/2016 11:43:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz. What pray tell is LTU? bp On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a very similar acronym?
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OK. I'm not familiar with the LTU thing, and I try to avoid marketing hype from UBNT. LTE is Long Term Evolution, and is capable under ideal circumstances of pushing ~~ 17 bits/Hz. What pray tell is LTU? bp On 12/9/2016 4:55 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a very similar acronym?
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That was awesome! Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies, Inc. 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@converge-tech.com > On Dec 9, 2016, at 7:56 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > I found where Bill lives: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eaWgyVMm7s > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: "Bill Prince" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 10:46:02 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > Do you mean LTE? Or is there a new technology on the block? > > bp > > > On 12/8/2016 6:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > Don't get me wrong, I think LTU will be out next year and I do think > > it'll be a big hit, mitigating a lot of the issues we've seen in their > > AirMax platform. It has just seemed like it takes a lot to get any of > > the groups there to really do what the customers want. > >
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjMb3DR3qYQ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 10:46:02 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Do you mean LTE? Or is there a new technology on the block? bp On 12/8/2016 6:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Don't get me wrong, I think LTU will be out next year and I do think > it'll be a big hit, mitigating a lot of the issues we've seen in their > AirMax platform. It has just seemed like it takes a lot to get any of > the groups there to really do what the customers want.
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I found where Bill lives: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eaWgyVMm7s - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 10:46:02 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Do you mean LTE? Or is there a new technology on the block? bp On 12/8/2016 6:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Don't get me wrong, I think LTU will be out next year and I do think > it'll be a big hit, mitigating a lot of the issues we've seen in their > AirMax platform. It has just seemed like it takes a lot to get any of > the groups there to really do what the customers want.
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The confusion between LTE and LTU has to be intentional on UBNT's side. If not to ride on something else's coattails, why would you use a very similar acronym? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 10:40:29 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I think mixing LTE with what UBNT is doing would be a mistake. Were you under the impression they were doing an LTE variant? On Dec 8, 2016 10:35 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" < s...@genias.net > wrote: It is common with LTE. UBNT calls it LTU so may be they look what others do at the RF layer. Von: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Jon Langeler Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 16:45 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? It's not common. But you wouldn't need sync. You would need channel spacing and such. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. On Dec 8, 2016, at 10:36 AM, castarritt . < castarr...@gmail.com > wrote: Why would you want to run FDD for PTMP? Wouldn't that prevent using sync for frequency re-use? On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt < s...@genias.net > wrote: If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed to deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and past) it will be different than 450m. What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD. Then it will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 can do. If Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced mimo patterns“ but who knows. I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are „might happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, … Von: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots of boxes. It won't be a 450m, though. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < li...@packetflux.com > To: "af" < af@afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a non-forklift migration path to ePMP. I don't see either Elevate or ePMP playing to the same market is the AirFiber LTU or the 450-derived platforms (including Medusa). My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the AirFiber LTU is going to live in the spot between the ePMP/802.11 derived radios and the 450m, both in price and performance. Put differently: 802.11 wrote: It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the Chips ground up for WISP's only And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert cares as he already knows he won the end game On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that news. Not that coming out with the product would really do that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson" < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > wrote: Announcement of AF PTMP?? On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: Ubnt is at an all time high. Last peak was March 2014. Just over 5 years old, pretty cool to watch it go up and down. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: Lol On Dec 7, 2016 3:19 PM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: Are they publically traded? 4th quarter sales bookings but not shipping? From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? They had a banner 2016, they pissed in r
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I don't know about true FDD operation, but I did ask about split Tx/Rx frequencies (same as PTP650) and I think I remember Matt said it's definitely a possibility. They're still discovering how far they can push the hardware. We (and perhaps they) probably won't know for another year what the limits are. All I know is that it's exciting to see all of this innovation the last few years, whether it be Cambium, UBNT or whoever. I'd probably give an award to Cambium though. They've done a lot of amazing shit so far. On 12/8/2016 11:19 AM, Daniel White wrote: The 450m is way more powerful than your giving it credit for. It has 7x TX/RX chains… why wouldn’t it be able to do FDD :-) Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies__ Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 dwh...@converge-tech.com <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt *Sent:* Thursday, December 8, 2016 5:57 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed to deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and past) it will be different than 450m. What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD. Then it will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 can do. If Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced mimo patterns“ but who knows. I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are „might happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, … *Von:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Mike Hammett *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04 *An:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots of boxes. It won't be a 450m, though. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Forrest Christian (List Account)" <mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> *To: *"af" mailto:af@afmug.com>> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a non-forklift migration path to ePMP. I don't see either Elevate or ePMP playing to the same market is the AirFiber LTU or the 450-derived platforms (including Medusa). My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the AirFiber LTU is going to live in the spot between the ePMP/802.11 derived radios and the 450m, both in price and performance. Put differently: 802.11switch 450i and Airfiber LTU, or change < to =) -forrest On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:55 PM, Timothy Steele mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>> wrote: It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the Chips ground up for WISP's only And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert cares as he already knows he won the end game On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that news. Not that coming out with the product would really do that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson" mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote: Announcement of AF PTMP?? On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: Ubnt is at an all time high. Last peak was March 2014. Just over 5 years old, pretty cool to watch it go up and down.
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It’s Russia planting fake news. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 11:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Maybe you can be the moderator who tries to herd the discussion and force the spawning of new threads, but I think it would be a futile job. -- Original Message -- From: "Chris Wright" < <mailto:ch...@velociter.net> ch...@velociter.net> To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> " < <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com> Sent: 12/8/2016 11:56:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I love that the one reply in this thread with genuine real-world stats is buried in the mire of a UBNT tangent. Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto: <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hopkins Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 9:25 PM To: <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I have had a 450M in the air for a month. 52 of 275 residential CPEs in that 90° sector have been on it the whole time. It does between 70-105M at peak times. Clients are up to 12 miles away, most around 7. It has not had any issues since it went into service, although I had to RMA the first one because it hadn't been calibrated. This is one of 11 other 5 GHz 450 sectors on this tower and it's been playing nicely with them. So far on 15.0.1 it averages roughly twice the throughput than we typically see on a 20mhz 450 channel in this sector. I've been thinking of moving more SMs over to it, even though it does spike up to 100% downlink frame utilization. But I feel I haven't really pushed it to the limit yet. On Dec 7, 2016 7:44 PM, "Seth Mattinen" < <mailto:se...@rollernet.us> se...@rollernet.us> wrote: On 12/7/16 6:55 PM, Timothy Steele wrote: It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the Chips ground up for WISP's only And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert cares as he already knows he won the end game Not sure if this is sarcasm or not.
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The 450m is way more powerful than your giving it credit for. It has 7x TX/RX chains… why wouldn’t it be able to do FDD :-) Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 5:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed to deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and past) it will be different than 450m. What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD. Then it will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 can do. If Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced mimo patterns“ but who knows. I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are „might happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, … Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04 An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots of boxes. It won't be a 450m, though. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a non-forklift migration path to ePMP. I don't see either Elevate or ePMP playing to the same market is the AirFiber LTU or the 450-derived platforms (including Medusa). My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the AirFiber LTU is going to live in the spot between the ePMP/802.11 derived radios and the 450m, both in price and performance. Put differently: 802.11mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com> > wrote: It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the Chips ground up for WISP's only And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert cares as he already knows he won the end game On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that news. Not that coming out with the product would really do that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson" mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote: Announcement of AF PTMP?? On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: Ubnt is at an all time high. Last peak was March 2014. Just over 5 years old, pretty cool to watch it go up and down. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote: Lol On Dec 7, 2016 3:19 PM, "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: Are they publically traded? 4th quarter sales bookings but not shipping? From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:17 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? They had a banner 2016, they pissed in robert peras Christmas porridge, maybe theyre pushing out that shine for 2017 On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Daniel White mailto:afmu...@gmail.com> > wrote: Very very few have shipped from Cambium. Expect to hear a lot more this month. Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 dwh...@converge-tech.com &
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Maybe you can be the moderator who tries to herd the discussion and force the spawning of new threads, but I think it would be a futile job. -- Original Message -- From: "Chris Wright" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 12/8/2016 11:56:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I love that the one reply in this thread with genuine real-world stats is buried in the mire of a UBNT tangent. Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hopkins Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 9:25 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I have had a 450M in the air for a month. 52 of 275 residential CPEs in that 90° sector have been on it the whole time. It does between 70-105M at peak times. Clients are up to 12 miles away, most around 7. It has not had any issues since it went into service, although I had to RMA the first one because it hadn't been calibrated. This is one of 11 other 5 GHz 450 sectors on this tower and it's been playing nicely with them. So far on 15.0.1 it averages roughly twice the throughput than we typically see on a 20mhz 450 channel in this sector. I've been thinking of moving more SMs over to it, even though it does spike up to 100% downlink frame utilization. But I feel I haven't really pushed it to the limit yet. On Dec 7, 2016 7:44 PM, "Seth Mattinen" wrote: On 12/7/16 6:55 PM, Timothy Steele wrote: It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the Chips ground up for WISP's only And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert cares as he already knows he won the end game Not sure if this is sarcasm or not.
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I love that the one reply in this thread with genuine real-world stats is buried in the mire of a UBNT tangent. Chris Wright Network Administrator From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hopkins Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 9:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I have had a 450M in the air for a month. 52 of 275 residential CPEs in that 90° sector have been on it the whole time. It does between 70-105M at peak times. Clients are up to 12 miles away, most around 7. It has not had any issues since it went into service, although I had to RMA the first one because it hadn't been calibrated. This is one of 11 other 5 GHz 450 sectors on this tower and it's been playing nicely with them. So far on 15.0.1 it averages roughly twice the throughput than we typically see on a 20mhz 450 channel in this sector. I've been thinking of moving more SMs over to it, even though it does spike up to 100% downlink frame utilization. But I feel I haven't really pushed it to the limit yet. On Dec 7, 2016 7:44 PM, "Seth Mattinen" mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote: On 12/7/16 6:55 PM, Timothy Steele wrote: It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the Chips ground up for WISP's only And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert cares as he already knows he won the end game Not sure if this is sarcasm or not.
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Ill beg to differ on your 99% statement From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Stefan Englhardt mailto:s...@genias.net>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 12:28 PM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? 99% of LTE is FDD. So it works great for PTMP. It cost to much for WISPs (until a vendor brings down the cost …). Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png] Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Adam Moffett Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 17:18 An: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? FDD would lower round trip latency for one thing. Frequency re-use is still achievable with FDD. For example if two devices on the tower are listening on the same channel, then neither is talking on that channeltherefore neither one interferes with the other. You'd still have to watch out for stations hearing two AP's on the same channel, but (for example) back to back re-use should be ok with or without sync. The trouble with FDD in 802.16d was lower throughput. You had to use smaller channel sizes to get sufficient separation between tx and rx. In an unlicensed band you could do something like 2.4 tx and 5.x rx. Or 5.1-5.2 for rx and 5.7-5.8 for tx. In those cases you've got a big enough band to use a whole 20mhz channel. I don't know why nobody's done it alreadythere are probably challenges I don't understand. Or maybe it just costs too much. -- Original Message -- From: "castarritt ." mailto:castarr...@gmail.com>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 12/8/2016 10:36:06 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Why would you want to run FDD for PTMP? Wouldn't that prevent using sync for frequency re-use? On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt mailto:s...@genias.net>> wrote: If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed to deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and past) it will be different than 450m. What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD. Then it will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 can do. If Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced mimo patterns“ but who knows. I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are „might happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, … Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04 An: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots of boxes. It won't be a 450m, though. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________ From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a non-forklift migration path to ePMP. I don't see either Elevate or ePMP playing to the same market is the AirFiber LTU or the 450-derived platforms (including Medusa). My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the AirFiber LTU is going to live in the spot between the ePMP/802.11 derived radios and the 450m, both in price and performance. Put differently: 802.11mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail
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Do you mean LTE? Or is there a new technology on the block? bp On 12/8/2016 6:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Don't get me wrong, I think LTU will be out next year and I do think it'll be a big hit, mitigating a lot of the issues we've seen in their AirMax platform. It has just seemed like it takes a lot to get any of the groups there to really do what the customers want.
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
I think mixing LTE with what UBNT is doing would be a mistake. Were you under the impression they were doing an LTE variant? On Dec 8, 2016 10:35 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" wrote: > It is common with LTE. UBNT calls it LTU so may be they look what others > do at the RF layer. > > > > > > *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Jon Langeler > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 16:45 > *An:* af@afmug.com > *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > > > It's not common. But you wouldn't need sync. You would need channel > spacing and such. > > Jon Langeler > > Michwave Technologies, Inc. > > > > > On Dec 8, 2016, at 10:36 AM, castarritt . wrote: > > Why would you want to run FDD for PTMP? Wouldn't that prevent using sync > for frequency re-use? > > > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt wrote: > > If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed to > deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and > past) it will be different than 450m. > > > > What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD. Then > it will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 can > do. If Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced > mimo patterns“ but who knows. > > > > I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are „might > happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, … > > > > > > > > *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Mike Hammett > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04 > *An:* af@afmug.com > *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > > > LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots of > boxes. It won't be a 450m, though. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > > *From: *"Forrest Christian (List Account)" > *To: *"af" > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a non-forklift > migration path to ePMP. I don't see either Elevate or ePMP playing to the > same market is the AirFiber LTU or the 450-derived platforms (including > Medusa). > > > > My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the AirFiber LTU > is going to live in the spot between the ePMP/802.11 derived radios and the > 450m, both in price and performance. > > > > Put differently: 802.11 450i and Airfiber LTU, or change < to =) > > > > -forrest > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:55 PM, Timothy Steele > wrote: > > It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the > Chips ground up for WISP's only > And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is > having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to > turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge > risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert > cares as he already knows he won the end game > > > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman > wrote: > > Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that news. > Not that coming out with the product would really do that. > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson" > wrote: > > Announcement of AF PTMP?? > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > > Ubnt is at an all time high. Last peak was March 2014. Just over 5 years > old, pretty cool to watch it go up and down. > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Latency. No collisions between AP and CPE. AP never has to wait for transmission. CPEs have to be coordinated. Frequency reuse works as it is heavily done with FDD-LTE. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von castarritt . Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 16:36 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Why would you want to run FDD for PTMP? Wouldn't that prevent using sync for frequency re-use? On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt mailto:s...@genias.net> > wrote: If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed to deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and past) it will be different than 450m. What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD. Then it will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 can do. If Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced mimo patterns“ but who knows. I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are „might happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, … Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04 An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots of boxes. It won't be a 450m, though. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a non-forklift migration path to ePMP. I don't see either Elevate or ePMP playing to the same market is the AirFiber LTU or the 450-derived platforms (including Medusa). My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the AirFiber LTU is going to live in the spot between the ePMP/802.11 derived radios and the 450m, both in price and performance. Put differently: 802.11mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com> > wrote: It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the Chips ground up for WISP's only And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert cares as he already knows he won the end game On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that news. Not that coming out with the product would really do that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson" mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote: Announcement of AF PTMP?? On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: Ubnt is at an all time high. Last peak was March 2014. Just over 5 years old, pretty cool to watch it go up and down. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote: Lol On Dec 7, 2016 3:19 PM, "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: Are they publically traded? 4th quarter sales bookings but not shipping? From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:17 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? They had a banner 2016, they pissed in robert peras Christmas porridge, maybe theyre pushing out that shine for 2017 On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Daniel White mailto:afmu...@gmail.com> > wrote: Very very few have shipped from Cambium. Expect to hear a lot more this month. Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware
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It is common with LTE. UBNT calls it LTU so may be they look what others do at the RF layer. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Jon Langeler Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 16:45 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? It's not common. But you wouldn't need sync. You would need channel spacing and such. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. On Dec 8, 2016, at 10:36 AM, castarritt . mailto:castarr...@gmail.com> > wrote: Why would you want to run FDD for PTMP? Wouldn't that prevent using sync for frequency re-use? On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt mailto:s...@genias.net> > wrote: If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed to deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and past) it will be different than 450m. What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD. Then it will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 can do. If Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced mimo patterns“ but who knows. I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are „might happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, … Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04 An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots of boxes. It won't be a 450m, though. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a non-forklift migration path to ePMP. I don't see either Elevate or ePMP playing to the same market is the AirFiber LTU or the 450-derived platforms (including Medusa). My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the AirFiber LTU is going to live in the spot between the ePMP/802.11 derived radios and the 450m, both in price and performance. Put differently: 802.11mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com> > wrote: It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the Chips ground up for WISP's only And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert cares as he already knows he won the end game On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that news. Not that coming out with the product would really do that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson" mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote: Announcement of AF PTMP?? On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: Ubnt is at an all time high. Last peak was March 2014. Just over 5 years old, pretty cool to watch it go up and down. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote: Lol On Dec 7, 2016 3:19 PM, "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: Are they publically traded? 4th quarter sales bookings but not shipping? From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:17 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? They had a banner 2016, they pissed in robert peras Christmas porridge, maybe theyre pushing out that shine for 2017 On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Daniel White mailto:afmu..
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
99% of LTE is FDD. So it works great for PTMP. It cost to much for WISPs (until a vendor brings down the cost …). Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Adam Moffett Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 17:18 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? FDD would lower round trip latency for one thing. Frequency re-use is still achievable with FDD. For example if two devices on the tower are listening on the same channel, then neither is talking on that channeltherefore neither one interferes with the other. You'd still have to watch out for stations hearing two AP's on the same channel, but (for example) back to back re-use should be ok with or without sync. The trouble with FDD in 802.16d was lower throughput. You had to use smaller channel sizes to get sufficient separation between tx and rx. In an unlicensed band you could do something like 2.4 tx and 5.x rx. Or 5.1-5.2 for rx and 5.7-5.8 for tx. In those cases you've got a big enough band to use a whole 20mhz channel. I don't know why nobody's done it alreadythere are probably challenges I don't understand. Or maybe it just costs too much. -- Original Message -- From: "castarritt ." mailto:castarr...@gmail.com> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 12/8/2016 10:36:06 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Why would you want to run FDD for PTMP? Wouldn't that prevent using sync for frequency re-use? On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt mailto:s...@genias.net> > wrote: If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed to deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and past) it will be different than 450m. What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD. Then it will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 can do. If Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced mimo patterns“ but who knows. I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are „might happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, … Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04 An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots of boxes. It won't be a 450m, though. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a non-forklift migration path to ePMP. I don't see either Elevate or ePMP playing to the same market is the AirFiber LTU or the 450-derived platforms (including Medusa). My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the AirFiber LTU is going to live in the spot between the ePMP/802.11 derived radios and the 450m, both in price and performance. Put differently: 802.11mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com> > wrote: It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the Chips ground up for WISP's only And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert cares as he already knows he won the end game On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that news. Not that coming out with the product would really do that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson" mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote: Announcement of AF PTMP??
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Considering airmax and the airmax used in -AC are two totally different animals, they would have to code in *3* operating modes into AFLTU. Not worth the time or development cost when you're trying to be cost competitive with custom chipsets (my guess). On Dec 8, 2016 10:03 AM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > Well, that would seem to be less than optimal from a marketing perspective. > > > > “Custom chipset” or not, you have to suspect it follows that typical path > of an analog front end SOC (A/D, D/A, PA, programmable filters, RF switch, > etc.) and an FPGA/CPU chip. Likely they went to one of the usual suspects > like Analog Devices, Altera, etc. and had chips customized to their specs. > Or there are communications oriented fabless design houses that could do > this. My point being it is probably a programmable radio and could be > backward compatible with airMax if they wanted. > > > > I could be wrong, they could have looked at the programmable radio > approach and decided it would be no different from the Canopy/450 approach > and would not allow “disruptive pricing”. And had a chipset made with > dedicated hardware for the various OFDM functions like FFT, coding, clock > recovery, etc. Similar to how an 802.11 chip is designed, but without the > advantage Mimosa had with Quantenna, leveraging the volume of mass market > 802.11 products. In that case, they might have thrown backward > compatibility with their own products overboard to meet cost objectives. > > > > Ubiquiti certainly has their challenges, they are fighting a war on two > fronts – Mimosa and Cambium. > > > > Another question for LTU is frequency bands. We all understand that > 802.11 based radios will be limited to 2.4 and 5 GHz, unless you use > frequency conversion, which never seems to work all that well. But a > custom approach like 450 or airFiber is not limited to WiFi bands. What > bands will Ubiquiti decide to go after, and how will they price it? Look > at AF3x, it demonstrates the flexibility of a custom platform, but it’s > twice the price of AF5x. It’s actually more expensive than Cambium’s 3 GHz > PTP450. So much for disruptive pricing. But if they decide to cherry pick > and only go after 5 GHz and maybe 2.4 GHz, will you use another vendor for > 900 MHz and 3 GHz in your network? Same question I raise regarding AF11x, > or for that matter B11. OK, that’s nice, I have an inexpensive 11 GHz > backhaul product I can buy. But I still need to buy my 6, 18 and 23 GHz > backhauls from someone else like Ceragon/Cambium, SAIE, SAF, Trango, > Dragonwave, Exalt, etc. that offers a full line. I don’t like that, I’d > rather pay a bit more for 11 GHz and be able to use the same vendor for all > my licensed links. But I also don’t like going to WalMart for milk, bread > and diapers, Whole Foods for organic meat and vegetables, and a regular > grocery store for everything else. Other people will make the 3 trips. > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds > *Sent:* Thursday, December 8, 2016 9:33 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > > > The AFLTU chipset is brand new with no legacy bits. Their 2nd real custom > chipset made at UBNT. Most likely a forklift. > > > > On Dec 8, 2016 9:24 AM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > > AF software features will have to move lightyears ahead for LTU to compete > with 450/450i/450m. > > AF is very barebones, kind of like a licensed backhaul, and can get away > with it because it's just PTP. Cambium has 15 years of adding software > features and pulling all of them forward to the new platforms. Sure, it's > just a Small Matter Of Programming, but even now every time Cambium adds > some features there are some bugs to work out, so trying to bring out a new > PMP platform with all those features on day one would be a monumental > undertaking. > > Also, each PTP links is kind of a one-off, other than spares, training and > network management systems. You can put in an airFiber or Mimosa link, > then decide to use something else for your next link, and that first link > will continue working fine. PMP is different (assuming proprietary > systems), because once you deploy APs, all the CPEs have to match. And > with GPS sync, neighboring towers may have to use the same system. It's a > big decision. Yes, the cost is also a big decision, but you don't want to > deploy a bunch of PMP equipment and then end up hating it or finding the > vendor didn't deliver on the "implemented in future firmware" promises. > > Has anyone mentioned network transitions? Elevate lets you transition an > airMax
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FDD would lower round trip latency for one thing. Frequency re-use is still achievable with FDD. For example if two devices on the tower are listening on the same channel, then neither is talking on that channeltherefore neither one interferes with the other. You'd still have to watch out for stations hearing two AP's on the same channel, but (for example) back to back re-use should be ok with or without sync. The trouble with FDD in 802.16d was lower throughput. You had to use smaller channel sizes to get sufficient separation between tx and rx. In an unlicensed band you could do something like 2.4 tx and 5.x rx. Or 5.1-5.2 for rx and 5.7-5.8 for tx. In those cases you've got a big enough band to use a whole 20mhz channel. I don't know why nobody's done it alreadythere are probably challenges I don't understand. Or maybe it just costs too much. -- Original Message -- From: "castarritt ." To: af@afmug.com Sent: 12/8/2016 10:36:06 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Why would you want to run FDD for PTMP? Wouldn't that prevent using sync for frequency re-use? On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt wrote: If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed to deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and past) it will be different than 450m. What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD. Then it will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 can do. If Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced mimo patterns“ but who knows. I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are „might happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, … Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04 An:af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots of boxes. It won't be a 450m, though. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" To: "af" Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a non-forklift migration path to ePMP. I don't see either Elevate or ePMP playing to the same market is the AirFiber LTU or the 450-derived platforms (including Medusa). My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the AirFiber LTU is going to live in the spot between the ePMP/802.11 derived radios and the 450m, both in price and performance. Put differently: 802.11switch 450i and Airfiber LTU, or change < to =) -forrest On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:55 PM, Timothy Steele wrote: It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the Chips ground up for WISP's only And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert cares as he already knows he won the end game On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman wrote: Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that news. Not that coming out with the product would really do that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson" wrote: Announcement of AF PTMP?? On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Ubnt is at an all time high. Last peak was March 2014. Just over 5 years old, pretty cool to watch it go up and down. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Lol On Dec 7, 2016 3:19 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: Are they publically traded? 4th quarter sales bookings but not shipping? From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:17 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? They had a banner 2016, they pissed in robert peras Christmas porridge, maybe theyre pushing out that shine for 2017 On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Daniel White wrote: Very very few have shipped from Cambium. Expect to hear a lot more this month. Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto:af-b
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Well, that would seem to be less than optimal from a marketing perspective. “Custom chipset” or not, you have to suspect it follows that typical path of an analog front end SOC (A/D, D/A, PA, programmable filters, RF switch, etc.) and an FPGA/CPU chip. Likely they went to one of the usual suspects like Analog Devices, Altera, etc. and had chips customized to their specs. Or there are communications oriented fabless design houses that could do this. My point being it is probably a programmable radio and could be backward compatible with airMax if they wanted. I could be wrong, they could have looked at the programmable radio approach and decided it would be no different from the Canopy/450 approach and would not allow “disruptive pricing”. And had a chipset made with dedicated hardware for the various OFDM functions like FFT, coding, clock recovery, etc. Similar to how an 802.11 chip is designed, but without the advantage Mimosa had with Quantenna, leveraging the volume of mass market 802.11 products. In that case, they might have thrown backward compatibility with their own products overboard to meet cost objectives. Ubiquiti certainly has their challenges, they are fighting a war on two fronts – Mimosa and Cambium. Another question for LTU is frequency bands. We all understand that 802.11 based radios will be limited to 2.4 and 5 GHz, unless you use frequency conversion, which never seems to work all that well. But a custom approach like 450 or airFiber is not limited to WiFi bands. What bands will Ubiquiti decide to go after, and how will they price it? Look at AF3x, it demonstrates the flexibility of a custom platform, but it’s twice the price of AF5x. It’s actually more expensive than Cambium’s 3 GHz PTP450. So much for disruptive pricing. But if they decide to cherry pick and only go after 5 GHz and maybe 2.4 GHz, will you use another vendor for 900 MHz and 3 GHz in your network? Same question I raise regarding AF11x, or for that matter B11. OK, that’s nice, I have an inexpensive 11 GHz backhaul product I can buy. But I still need to buy my 6, 18 and 23 GHz backhauls from someone else like Ceragon/Cambium, SAIE, SAF, Trango, Dragonwave, Exalt, etc. that offers a full line. I don’t like that, I’d rather pay a bit more for 11 GHz and be able to use the same vendor for all my licensed links. But I also don’t like going to WalMart for milk, bread and diapers, Whole Foods for organic meat and vegetables, and a regular grocery store for everything else. Other people will make the 3 trips. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 9:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? The AFLTU chipset is brand new with no legacy bits. Their 2nd real custom chipset made at UBNT. Most likely a forklift. On Dec 8, 2016 9:24 AM, "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: AF software features will have to move lightyears ahead for LTU to compete with 450/450i/450m. AF is very barebones, kind of like a licensed backhaul, and can get away with it because it's just PTP. Cambium has 15 years of adding software features and pulling all of them forward to the new platforms. Sure, it's just a Small Matter Of Programming, but even now every time Cambium adds some features there are some bugs to work out, so trying to bring out a new PMP platform with all those features on day one would be a monumental undertaking. Also, each PTP links is kind of a one-off, other than spares, training and network management systems. You can put in an airFiber or Mimosa link, then decide to use something else for your next link, and that first link will continue working fine. PMP is different (assuming proprietary systems), because once you deploy APs, all the CPEs have to match. And with GPS sync, neighboring towers may have to use the same system. It's a big decision. Yes, the cost is also a big decision, but you don't want to deploy a bunch of PMP equipment and then end up hating it or finding the vendor didn't deliver on the "implemented in future firmware" promises. Has anyone mentioned network transitions? Elevate lets you transition an airMax network to ePMP. Is it fair to assume LTU will do the same? Or is it a forklift upgrade? -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 8:47 AM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? On 12/8/16 6:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Don't get me wrong, I think LTU will be out next year and I do think > it'll be a big hit, mitigating a lot of the issues we've seen in their > AirMax platform. It has just seemed like it takes a lot to get any of > the group
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It's not common. But you wouldn't need sync. You would need channel spacing and such. Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Dec 8, 2016, at 10:36 AM, castarritt . wrote: > > Why would you want to run FDD for PTMP? Wouldn't that prevent using sync for > frequency re-use? > >> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt wrote: >> If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed to >> deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and >> past) it will be different than 450m. >> >> >> >> What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD. Then >> it will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 can >> do. If Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced mimo >> patterns“ but who knows. >> >> >> >> I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are „might >> happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, … >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett >> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04 >> An: af@afmug.com >> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? >> >> >> >> LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots of >> boxes. It won't be a 450m, though. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> >> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" >> To: "af" >> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? >> >> Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a non-forklift >> migration path to ePMP. I don't see either Elevate or ePMP playing to the >> same market is the AirFiber LTU or the 450-derived platforms (including >> Medusa). >> >> >> >> My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the AirFiber LTU >> is going to live in the spot between the ePMP/802.11 derived radios and the >> 450m, both in price and performance. >> >> >> >> Put differently: 802.11> and Airfiber LTU, or change < to =) >> >> >> >> -forrest >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:55 PM, Timothy Steele >> wrote: >> >> It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the >> Chips ground up for WISP's only >> And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is having >> with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn on >> cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of >> getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert cares as he >> already knows he won the end game >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman >> wrote: >> >> Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that news. Not >> that coming out with the product would really do that. >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson" wrote: >> >> Announcement of AF PTMP?? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman >> wrote: >> >> Ubnt is at an all time high. Last peak was March 2014. Just over 5 years >> old, pretty cool to watch it go up and down. >> >> >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >> >> Lol >> >> >> >> On Dec 7, 2016 3:19 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: >> >> Are they publically traded? 4th quarter sales bookings but not shipping? >> >> >> >> From: That One Guy /sarcasm >> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:17 PM >> >> To: af@afmug.com >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? >>
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Why would you want to run FDD for PTMP? Wouldn't that prevent using sync for frequency re-use? On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt wrote: > If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed to > deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and > past) it will be different than 450m. > > > > What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD. Then > it will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 can > do. If Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced > mimo patterns“ but who knows. > > > > I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are „might > happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, … > > > > > > > > *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Mike Hammett > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04 > *An:* af@afmug.com > *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > > > LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots of > boxes. It won't be a 450m, though. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > > *From: *"Forrest Christian (List Account)" > *To: *"af" > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a non-forklift > migration path to ePMP. I don't see either Elevate or ePMP playing to the > same market is the AirFiber LTU or the 450-derived platforms (including > Medusa). > > > > My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the AirFiber LTU > is going to live in the spot between the ePMP/802.11 derived radios and the > 450m, both in price and performance. > > > > Put differently: 802.11 450i and Airfiber LTU, or change < to =) > > > > -forrest > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:55 PM, Timothy Steele > wrote: > > It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the > Chips ground up for WISP's only > And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is > having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to > turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge > risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert > cares as he already knows he won the end game > > > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman > wrote: > > Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that news. > Not that coming out with the product would really do that. > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson" > wrote: > > Announcement of AF PTMP?? > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > > Ubnt is at an all time high. Last peak was March 2014. Just over 5 years > old, pretty cool to watch it go up and down. > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Josh Reynolds > wrote: > > Lol > > > > On Dec 7, 2016 3:19 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > > Are they publically traded? 4th quarter sales bookings but not shipping? > > > > *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm > > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:17 PM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > > > They had a banner 2016, they pissed in robert peras Christmas porridge, > maybe theyre pushing out that shine for 2017 > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Daniel White wrote: > > Very very few have shipped from Cambium. Expect to hear a lot more thi
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
The AFLTU chipset is brand new with no legacy bits. Their 2nd real custom chipset made at UBNT. Most likely a forklift. On Dec 8, 2016 9:24 AM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > AF software features will have to move lightyears ahead for LTU to compete > with 450/450i/450m. > > AF is very barebones, kind of like a licensed backhaul, and can get away > with it because it's just PTP. Cambium has 15 years of adding software > features and pulling all of them forward to the new platforms. Sure, it's > just a Small Matter Of Programming, but even now every time Cambium adds > some features there are some bugs to work out, so trying to bring out a new > PMP platform with all those features on day one would be a monumental > undertaking. > > Also, each PTP links is kind of a one-off, other than spares, training and > network management systems. You can put in an airFiber or Mimosa link, > then decide to use something else for your next link, and that first link > will continue working fine. PMP is different (assuming proprietary > systems), because once you deploy APs, all the CPEs have to match. And > with GPS sync, neighboring towers may have to use the same system. It's a > big decision. Yes, the cost is also a big decision, but you don't want to > deploy a bunch of PMP equipment and then end up hating it or finding the > vendor didn't deliver on the "implemented in future firmware" promises. > > Has anyone mentioned network transitions? Elevate lets you transition an > airMax network to ePMP. Is it fair to assume LTU will do the same? Or is > it a forklift upgrade? > > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen > Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 8:47 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > On 12/8/16 6:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > Don't get me wrong, I think LTU will be out next year and I do think > > it'll be a big hit, mitigating a lot of the issues we've seen in their > > AirMax platform. It has just seemed like it takes a lot to get any of > > the groups there to really do what the customers want. > > > Certainly AirMax seems to have some design limitations. Lowly ePMP can do > sync on an Atheros-based platform while AirMax just can't seem to get there > at the same level. > > For me it's UBNT's ADD with abandoning things that makes me nervous. > Every vendor claims things that I'll believe it when it ships, but UBNT > will release something, make some progress, then drop it because it's no > longer new enough to raise stock prices or becomes unsexy long term > maintenance. Like AirControl, then AirControl 2, then cloud-whatever, then > AirCRM, now is it back to AirControl 2 again? I don't even know. I still > have some M gear and ePMP Elevate is tempting just to get away from the > AirControl dumpster fire. > > ~Seth > > >
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
AF software features will have to move lightyears ahead for LTU to compete with 450/450i/450m. AF is very barebones, kind of like a licensed backhaul, and can get away with it because it's just PTP. Cambium has 15 years of adding software features and pulling all of them forward to the new platforms. Sure, it's just a Small Matter Of Programming, but even now every time Cambium adds some features there are some bugs to work out, so trying to bring out a new PMP platform with all those features on day one would be a monumental undertaking. Also, each PTP links is kind of a one-off, other than spares, training and network management systems. You can put in an airFiber or Mimosa link, then decide to use something else for your next link, and that first link will continue working fine. PMP is different (assuming proprietary systems), because once you deploy APs, all the CPEs have to match. And with GPS sync, neighboring towers may have to use the same system. It's a big decision. Yes, the cost is also a big decision, but you don't want to deploy a bunch of PMP equipment and then end up hating it or finding the vendor didn't deliver on the "implemented in future firmware" promises. Has anyone mentioned network transitions? Elevate lets you transition an airMax network to ePMP. Is it fair to assume LTU will do the same? Or is it a forklift upgrade? -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 8:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? On 12/8/16 6:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Don't get me wrong, I think LTU will be out next year and I do think > it'll be a big hit, mitigating a lot of the issues we've seen in their > AirMax platform. It has just seemed like it takes a lot to get any of > the groups there to really do what the customers want. Certainly AirMax seems to have some design limitations. Lowly ePMP can do sync on an Atheros-based platform while AirMax just can't seem to get there at the same level. For me it's UBNT's ADD with abandoning things that makes me nervous. Every vendor claims things that I'll believe it when it ships, but UBNT will release something, make some progress, then drop it because it's no longer new enough to raise stock prices or becomes unsexy long term maintenance. Like AirControl, then AirControl 2, then cloud-whatever, then AirCRM, now is it back to AirControl 2 again? I don't even know. I still have some M gear and ePMP Elevate is tempting just to get away from the AirControl dumpster fire. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
What is suspicious is that vendors like UBNT or Mimosa announces products with features. Then they do hardware and then they try to get their SW working. Then it needs months of development to do the features. How can they be that sure that their SW/HW combination does what they promise. They are so far from a finished product at announcement date that they cant know if it will work. They articulate their wishes and sell pipe dreams. > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Seth Mattinen > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 15:47 > An: af@afmug.com > Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > On 12/8/16 6:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > Don't get me wrong, I think LTU will be out next year and I do think > > it'll be a big hit, mitigating a lot of the issues we've seen in their > > AirMax platform. It has just seemed like it takes a lot to get any of > > the groups there to really do what the customers want. > > > Certainly AirMax seems to have some design limitations. Lowly ePMP can do > sync on an Atheros-based platform while AirMax just can't seem to get there at > the same level. > > For me it's UBNT's ADD with abandoning things that makes me nervous. > Every vendor claims things that I'll believe it when it ships, but UBNT will > release something, make some progress, then drop it because it's no longer > new enough to raise stock prices or becomes unsexy long term maintenance. > Like AirControl, then AirControl 2, then cloud-whatever, then AirCRM, now is > it > back to AirControl 2 again? I don't even know. I still have some M gear and > ePMP Elevate is tempting just to get away from the AirControl dumpster fire. > > ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Agreed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Seth Mattinen" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 8:47:21 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? On 12/8/16 6:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Don't get me wrong, I think LTU will be out next year and I do think > it'll be a big hit, mitigating a lot of the issues we've seen in their > AirMax platform. It has just seemed like it takes a lot to get any of > the groups there to really do what the customers want. Certainly AirMax seems to have some design limitations. Lowly ePMP can do sync on an Atheros-based platform while AirMax just can't seem to get there at the same level. For me it's UBNT's ADD with abandoning things that makes me nervous. Every vendor claims things that I'll believe it when it ships, but UBNT will release something, make some progress, then drop it because it's no longer new enough to raise stock prices or becomes unsexy long term maintenance. Like AirControl, then AirControl 2, then cloud-whatever, then AirCRM, now is it back to AirControl 2 again? I don't even know. I still have some M gear and ePMP Elevate is tempting just to get away from the AirControl dumpster fire. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
On 12/8/16 6:23 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Don't get me wrong, I think LTU will be out next year and I do think it'll be a big hit, mitigating a lot of the issues we've seen in their AirMax platform. It has just seemed like it takes a lot to get any of the groups there to really do what the customers want. Certainly AirMax seems to have some design limitations. Lowly ePMP can do sync on an Atheros-based platform while AirMax just can't seem to get there at the same level. For me it's UBNT's ADD with abandoning things that makes me nervous. Every vendor claims things that I'll believe it when it ships, but UBNT will release something, make some progress, then drop it because it's no longer new enough to raise stock prices or becomes unsexy long term maintenance. Like AirControl, then AirControl 2, then cloud-whatever, then AirCRM, now is it back to AirControl 2 again? I don't even know. I still have some M gear and ePMP Elevate is tempting just to get away from the AirControl dumpster fire. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
I think it is a very big invest and a real hard job to get something like 450m and LTU to the market. And it might be even harder for the technicians to argument with the investor why it is not enough to take a wifi-chipset and build a system around that. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 15:23 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Don't get me wrong, I think LTU will be out next year and I do think it'll be a big hit, mitigating a lot of the issues we've seen in their AirMax platform. It has just seemed like it takes a lot to get any of the groups there to really do what the customers want. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Seth Mattinen" mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 8:12:59 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? On 12/8/16 4:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > UBNT has to execute, though. They haven't been great at that. UBNT will always have their diehard fans for whom execution isn't that important. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Don't get me wrong, I think LTU will be out next year and I do think it'll be a big hit, mitigating a lot of the issues we've seen in their AirMax platform. It has just seemed like it takes a lot to get any of the groups there to really do what the customers want. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Seth Mattinen" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 8:12:59 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? On 12/8/16 4:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > UBNT has to execute, though. They haven't been great at that. UBNT will always have their diehard fans for whom execution isn't that important. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
On 12/8/16 4:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: UBNT has to execute, though. They haven't been great at that. UBNT will always have their diehard fans for whom execution isn't that important. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed to deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and past) it will be different than 450m. What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD. Then it will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 can do. If Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced mimo patterns“ but who knows. I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are „might happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, … Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots of boxes. It won't be a 450m, though. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a non-forklift migration path to ePMP. I don't see either Elevate or ePMP playing to the same market is the AirFiber LTU or the 450-derived platforms (including Medusa). My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the AirFiber LTU is going to live in the spot between the ePMP/802.11 derived radios and the 450m, both in price and performance. Put differently: 802.11mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com> > wrote: It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the Chips ground up for WISP's only And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert cares as he already knows he won the end game On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that news. Not that coming out with the product would really do that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson" mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote: Announcement of AF PTMP?? On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: Ubnt is at an all time high. Last peak was March 2014. Just over 5 years old, pretty cool to watch it go up and down. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote: Lol On Dec 7, 2016 3:19 PM, "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: Are they publically traded? 4th quarter sales bookings but not shipping? From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:17 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? They had a banner 2016, they pissed in robert peras Christmas porridge, maybe theyre pushing out that shine for 2017 On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Daniel White mailto:afmu...@gmail.com> > wrote: Very very few have shipped from Cambium. Expect to hear a lot more this month. Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 dwh...@converge-tech.com <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 12:37 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? So, more then a month out and no 450M operator with raving reviews? Is this a dud? Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaig
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It would be nice, now, to see frame utilization per spot beam. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Matt Hopkins" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 11:25:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? I have had a 450M in the air for a month. 52 of 275 residential CPEs in that 90° sector have been on it the whole time. It does between 70-105M at peak times. Clients are up to 12 miles away, most around 7. It has not had any issues since it went into service, although I had to RMA the first one because it hadn't been calibrated. This is one of 11 other 5 GHz 450 sectors on this tower and it's been playing nicely with them. So far on 15.0.1 it averages roughly twice the throughput than we typically see on a 20mhz 450 channel in this sector. I've been thinking of moving more SMs over to it, even though i t does spike up to 100% downlink frame utilization. But I feel I haven't really pushed it to the limit yet. On Dec 7, 2016 7:44 PM, "Seth Mattinen" < se...@rollernet.us > wrote: On 12/7/16 6:55 PM, Timothy Steele wrote: It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the Chips ground up for WISP's only And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert cares as he already knows he won the end game Not sure if this is sarcasm or not.
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots of boxes. It won't be a 450m, though. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" To: "af" Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a non-forklift migration path to ePMP. I don't see either Elevate or ePMP playing to the same market is the AirFiber LTU or the 450-derived platforms (including Medusa). My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the AirFiber LTU is going to live in the spot between the ePMP/802.11 derived radios and the 450m, both in price and performance. Put differently: 802.11 wrote: It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the Chips ground up for WISP's only And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert cares as he already knows he won the end game On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that news. Not that coming out with the product would really do that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson" < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > wrote: Announcement of AF PTMP?? On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: Ubnt is at an all time high. Last peak was March 2014. Just over 5 years old, pretty cool to watch it go up and down. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: Lol On Dec 7, 2016 3:19 PM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: Are they publically traded? 4th quarter sales bookings but not shipping? From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? They had a banner 2016, they pissed in robert peras Christmas porridge, maybe theyre pushing out that shine for 2017 On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Daniel White < afmu...@gmail.com > wrote: Very very few have shipped from Cambium. Expect to hear a lot more this month. Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 12:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? So, more then a month out and no 450M operator with raving reviews? Is this a dud? Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 Virus-free. www.avast.com -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- Forrest Christian CEO , PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
UBNT has to execute, though. They haven't been great at that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Timothy Steele" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 8:55:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the Chips ground up for WISP's only And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert cares as he already knows he won the end game On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that news. Not that coming out with the product would really do that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson" < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > wrote: Announcement of AF PTMP?? On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: Ubnt is at an all time high. Last peak was March 2014. Just over 5 years old, pretty cool to watch it go up and down. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: Lol On Dec 7, 2016 3:19 PM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: Are they publically traded? 4th quarter sales bookings but not shipping? From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? They had a banner 2016, they pissed in robert peras Christmas porridge, maybe theyre pushing out that shine for 2017 On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Daniel White < afmu...@gmail.com > wrote: Very very few have shipped from Cambium. Expect to hear a lot more this month. Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 12:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? So, more then a month out and no 450M operator with raving reviews? Is this a dud? Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 Virus-free. www.avast.com -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
I have had a 450M in the air for a month. 52 of 275 residential CPEs in that 90° sector have been on it the whole time. It does between 70-105M at peak times. Clients are up to 12 miles away, most around 7. It has not had any issues since it went into service, although I had to RMA the first one because it hadn't been calibrated. This is one of 11 other 5 GHz 450 sectors on this tower and it's been playing nicely with them. So far on 15.0.1 it averages roughly twice the throughput than we typically see on a 20mhz 450 channel in this sector. I've been thinking of moving more SMs over to it, even though it does spike up to 100% downlink frame utilization. But I feel I haven't really pushed it to the limit yet. On Dec 7, 2016 7:44 PM, "Seth Mattinen" wrote: > On 12/7/16 6:55 PM, Timothy Steele wrote: > >> It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all >> the Chips ground up for WISP's only >> And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is >> having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to >> turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a >> huge risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think >> Robert cares as he already knows he won the end game >> >> > > Not sure if this is sarcasm or not. >
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
And what if Mimosa releases TDMA before that? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 8:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Ubiquiti won the end game? With a product that hasn't even been released yet? On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Timothy Steele mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>> wrote: It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the Chips ground up for WISP's only And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert cares as he already knows he won the end game On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that news. Not that coming out with the product would really do that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson" mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote: Announcement of AF PTMP?? On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: Ubnt is at an all time high. Last peak was March 2014. Just over 5 years old, pretty cool to watch it go up and down. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote: Lol On Dec 7, 2016 3:19 PM, "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: Are they publically traded? 4th quarter sales bookings but not shipping? From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:17 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? They had a banner 2016, they pissed in robert peras Christmas porridge, maybe theyre pushing out that shine for 2017 On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Daniel White mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote: Very very few have shipped from Cambium. Expect to hear a lot more this month. Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 dwh...@converge-tech.com<mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 12:37 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? So, more then a month out and no 450M operator with raving reviews? Is this a dud? Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-tick-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a non-forklift migration path to ePMP. I don't see either Elevate or ePMP playing to the same market is the AirFiber LTU or the 450-derived platforms (including Medusa). My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the AirFiber LTU is going to live in the spot between the ePMP/802.11 derived radios and the 450m, both in price and performance. Put differently: 802.11 wrote: > It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the > Chips ground up for WISP's only > And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is > having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to > turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge > risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert > cares as he already knows he won the end game > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that news. >> Not that coming out with the product would really do that. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson" >> wrote: >> >> Announcement of AF PTMP?? >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman > > wrote: >> >> Ubnt is at an all time high. Last peak was March 2014. Just over 5 >> years old, pretty cool to watch it go up and down. >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Josh Reynolds >> wrote: >> >> Lol >> >> On Dec 7, 2016 3:19 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: >> >> Are they publically traded? 4th quarter sales bookings but not shipping? >> >> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:17 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? >> >> >> They had a banner 2016, they pissed in robert peras Christmas porridge, >> maybe theyre pushing out that shine for 2017 >> >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Daniel White wrote: >> >> Very very few have shipped from Cambium. Expect to hear a lot more this >> month. >> >> >> >> Daniel White >> >> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales >> >> ConVergence Technologies >> >> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <(303)%20746-3590> >> >> dwh...@converge-tech.com >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 7, 2016 12:37 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? >> >> >> >> So, more then a month out and no 450M operator with raving reviews? Is >> this a dud? >> >> >> >> *Gino Villarini* >> >> President >> >> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >> >> >> >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> >> Virus-free. >> www.avast.com >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Carl Peterson >> >> *PORT NETWORKS* >> >> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >> >> Baltimore, MD 21202 >> >> (410) 637-3707 >> >> -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> <http://facebook.com/packetflux> <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
was the endgame fandom at forum.ubnt ? On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:44 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 12/7/16 6:55 PM, Timothy Steele wrote: > >> It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all >> the Chips ground up for WISP's only >> And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is >> having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to >> turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a >> huge risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think >> Robert cares as he already knows he won the end game >> >> > > Not sure if this is sarcasm or not. > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Ubiquiti won the end game? With a product that hasn't even been released yet? On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Timothy Steele wrote: > It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the > Chips ground up for WISP's only > And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is > having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to > turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge > risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert > cares as he already knows he won the end game > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that news. >> Not that coming out with the product would really do that. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340> >> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343> >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson" >> wrote: >> >> Announcement of AF PTMP?? >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman > > wrote: >> >> Ubnt is at an all time high. Last peak was March 2014. Just over 5 >> years old, pretty cool to watch it go up and down. >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Josh Reynolds >> wrote: >> >> Lol >> >> On Dec 7, 2016 3:19 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: >> >> Are they publically traded? 4th quarter sales bookings but not shipping? >> >> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:17 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? >> >> >> They had a banner 2016, they pissed in robert peras Christmas porridge, >> maybe theyre pushing out that shine for 2017 >> >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Daniel White wrote: >> >> Very very few have shipped from Cambium. Expect to hear a lot more this >> month. >> >> >> >> Daniel White >> >> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales >> >> ConVergence Technologies >> >> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <(303)%20746-3590> >> >> dwh...@converge-tech.com >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 7, 2016 12:37 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? >> >> >> >> So, more then a month out and no 450M operator with raving reviews? Is >> this a dud? >> >> >> >> *Gino Villarini* >> >> President >> >> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >> >> >> >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> >> Virus-free. >> www.avast.com >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Carl Peterson >> >> *PORT NETWORKS* >> >> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >> >> Baltimore, MD 21202 >> >> (410) 637-3707 >> >>
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
On 12/7/16 6:55 PM, Timothy Steele wrote: It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the Chips ground up for WISP's only And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert cares as he already knows he won the end game Not sure if this is sarcasm or not.
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Timothy Steele Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 8:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the Chips ground up for WISP's only And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert cares as he already knows he won the end game On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that news. Not that coming out with the product would really do that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson" mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote: Announcement of AF PTMP?? On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: Ubnt is at an all time high. Last peak was March 2014. Just over 5 years old, pretty cool to watch it go up and down. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote: Lol On Dec 7, 2016 3:19 PM, "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: Are they publically traded? 4th quarter sales bookings but not shipping? From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? They had a banner 2016, they pissed in robert peras Christmas porridge, maybe theyre pushing out that shine for 2017 On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Daniel White wrote: Very very few have shipped from Cambium. Expect to hear a lot more this month. Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 12:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? So, more then a month out and no 450M operator with raving reviews? Is this a dud? Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> www.avast.com -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Legal trouble?
On 12/7/2016 8:55 PM, Timothy Steele wrote:
It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all
the Chips ground up for WISP's only
And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is
having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about
to turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking
a huge risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think
Robert cares as he already knows he won the end game
On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that
news. Not that coming out with the product would really do that.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson"
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>>
wrote:
Announcement of AF PTMP??
On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Ubnt is at an all time high. Last peak was March 2014.
Just over 5 years old, pretty cool to watch it go up and down.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Josh Reynolds
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
Lol
On Dec 7, 2016 3:19 PM, "Chuck McCown"
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Are they publically traded? 4th quarter sales
bookings but not shipping?
*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:17 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
They had a banner 2016, they pissed in robert
peras Christmas porridge, maybe theyre pushing out
that shine for 2017
On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Daniel White
wrote:
Very very few have shipped from Cambium.
Expect to hear a lot more this month.
Daniel White
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies__
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
dwh...@converge-tech.com
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 7, 2016 12:37 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
So, more then a month out and no 450M operator
with raving reviews? Is this a dud?
/*Gino Villarini*/
President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo,
Puerto Rico 00968
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Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the Chips ground up for WISP's only And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert cares as he already knows he won the end game On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman wrote: > Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that news. > Not that coming out with the product would really do that. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson" > wrote: > > Announcement of AF PTMP?? > > > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > > Ubnt is at an all time high. Last peak was March 2014. Just over 5 years > old, pretty cool to watch it go up and down. > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Josh Reynolds > wrote: > > Lol > > On Dec 7, 2016 3:19 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > > Are they publically traded? 4th quarter sales bookings but not shipping? > > *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:17 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > > They had a banner 2016, they pissed in robert peras Christmas porridge, > maybe theyre pushing out that shine for 2017 > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Daniel White wrote: > > Very very few have shipped from Cambium. Expect to hear a lot more this > month. > > > > Daniel White > > Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales > > ConVergence Technologies > > Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <(303)%20746-3590> > > dwh...@converge-tech.com > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 7, 2016 12:37 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > > > So, more then a month out and no 450M operator with raving reviews? Is > this a dud? > > > > *Gino Villarini* > > President > > Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 > > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> > > > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > > > > > -- > > Carl Peterson > > *PORT NETWORKS* > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > (410) 637-3707 > >
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that news. Not that coming out with the product would really do that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson" wrote: > Announcement of AF PTMP?? > > > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> Ubnt is at an all time high. Last peak was March 2014. Just over 5 >> years old, pretty cool to watch it go up and down. >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Josh Reynolds >> wrote: >> >>> Lol >>> >>> On Dec 7, 2016 3:19 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: >>> >>>> Are they publically traded? 4th quarter sales bookings but not >>>> shipping? >>>> >>>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:17 PM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? >>>> >>>> They had a banner 2016, they pissed in robert peras Christmas porridge, >>>> maybe theyre pushing out that shine for 2017 >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Daniel White wrote: >>>> >>>>> Very very few have shipped from Cambium. Expect to hear a lot more >>>>> this month. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Daniel White >>>>> >>>>> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales >>>>> >>>>> ConVergence Technologies >>>>> >>>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <(303)%20746-3590> >>>>> >>>>> dwh...@converge-tech.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 7, 2016 12:37 PM >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So, more then a month out and no 450M operator with raving reviews? Is >>>>> this a dud? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Gino Villarini* >>>>> >>>>> President >>>>> >>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> >>>>> Virus-free. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>> >>> >> > > > -- > > Carl Peterson > > *PORT NETWORKS* > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > (410) 637-3707 >
Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
What year was it when you decided to live under that rock? :) On Dec 7, 2016 4:52 PM, "Carl Peterson" wrote: > Announcement of AF PTMP?? > > > > On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> Ubnt is at an all time high. Last peak was March 2014. Just over 5 >> years old, pretty cool to watch it go up and down. >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Josh Reynolds >> wrote: >> >>> Lol >>> >>> On Dec 7, 2016 3:19 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: >>> >>>> Are they publically traded? 4th quarter sales bookings but not >>>> shipping? >>>> >>>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:17 PM >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? >>>> >>>> They had a banner 2016, they pissed in robert peras Christmas porridge, >>>> maybe theyre pushing out that shine for 2017 >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Daniel White wrote: >>>> >>>>> Very very few have shipped from Cambium. Expect to hear a lot more >>>>> this month. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Daniel White >>>>> >>>>> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales >>>>> >>>>> ConVergence Technologies >>>>> >>>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <(303)%20746-3590> >>>>> >>>>> dwh...@converge-tech.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 7, 2016 12:37 PM >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So, more then a month out and no 450M operator with raving reviews? Is >>>>> this a dud? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Gino Villarini* >>>>> >>>>> President >>>>> >>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> >>>>> Virus-free. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>> >>> >> > > > -- > > Carl Peterson > > *PORT NETWORKS* > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > (410) 637-3707 >
