Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Josh Reynolds]

:)
On Jul 2, 2016 7:35 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> UBNT seems to have focus groups...  and then do the opposite of what they
> want.
>
>
>
> -
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> --------------
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:34:02 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
> So mechanical robustness and weatherproofing are not important on every
> other connectorized radio they sell?  That explanation sounds fishy.
>
> Seems like the sort of decision you get when you are catering to a
> specific key customer.  Or listening to a focus group.  Oh wait, that’s
> what we are.
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 9:41 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
> UBNT said that they went with N for its increased mechanical robustness
> and weatherproofing. Were they having issues with that at SMA?
>
> Why go cabled over waveguide at all anyway?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
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>
>
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> --
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, July 1, 2016 9:38:01 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
> Right, and so do the people you're talking about - keep it in mind they've
> already tested these.
>
> I brought up this exact issue by the way, when they (idiot customer) fuck
> up a connector and buy one from BillyBobs HAM shop and wonder why it
> doesn't work.
>
> I was told the cost on these was low, and they would be sold like any
> other connector or accessory. I mean, you DO buy spares for licensed
> backhaul, right?
>
> I was also told they are working on "other accessories" for this radio
> that will be some of the highest quality in the industry.
> On Jul 1, 2016 9:27 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Here is  the thing, you buy a radio that has 11 or 18 GHz appearing on an
>> N connector.
>>
>> Then you purchase a cable from your favorite cable place.  Connect the
>> two and wonder why you are having problems.
>>
>> If  you get a cable that actually has connectors rated for the frequency
>> if they did not sweep it, there is  no guarantee it will work properly.
>> And if they did sweep it it is going to cost a ton.
>>
>> SMA is cheap, easy and always works at those frequencies.  N is only
>> cheap and easy below 6 GHz.
>> I am  not saying a connector that is rated for the frequency will  not do
>> the job, but the connector is just the first step.  If you do not use
>> extreme precision at 18 GHz then sweep the cable with the proper gear it is
>> going to have problems.  Things like terminations at 18 GHz are not even
>> trivial.  It is so hard to get a good 50 ohm termination for calibration
>> you generally use a sliding load.  (Actually, you are normally using
>> waveguide at 18 GHz.  )
>>
>> I do – do this for a living, you know...
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 8:13 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert An

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Ken Hohhof]

Maybe that’s the secret to “disruptive” marketing?  Hold a focus group, then do 
the opposite?

I do have to admit, back when I was in the telecom equipment business, 
customers often didn’t buy what they said they’d buy.  They were good at 
describing their problems, but not so good at designing the solutions.  One 
company I worked for had a motto “Listen, Understand, Deliver” which meant 
understand the customer’s problem and deliver a solution, but don’t expect the 
customer to design it for you.  Otherwise you would build something incremental 
and your competitor would build something transformational and the customer 
would buy that.

Not sure N vs SMA connector is one of those cases though.


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 7:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

UBNT seems to have focus groups...  and then do the opposite of what they want.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:34:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N


So mechanical robustness and weatherproofing are not important on every other 
connectorized radio they sell?  That explanation sounds fishy.

Seems like the sort of decision you get when you are catering to a specific key 
customer.  Or listening to a focus group.  Oh wait, that’s what we are.


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 9:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

UBNT said that they went with N for its increased mechanical robustness and 
weatherproofing. Were they having issues with that at SMA?

Why go cabled over waveguide at all anyway?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 9:38:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N


Right, and so do the people you're talking about - keep it in mind they've 
already tested these.

I brought up this exact issue by the way, when they (idiot customer) fuck up a 
connector and buy one from BillyBobs HAM shop and wonder why it doesn't work.

I was told the cost on these was low, and they would be sold like any other 
connector or accessory. I mean, you DO buy spares for licensed backhaul, right?

I was also told they are working on "other accessories" for this radio that 
will be some of the highest quality in the industry.

On Jul 1, 2016 9:27 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Here is  the thing, you buy a radio that has 11 or 18 GHz appearing on an N 
connector.

  Then you purchase a cable from your favorite cable place.  Connect the two 
and wonder why you are having problems.  

  If  you get a cable that actually has connectors rated for the frequency if 
they did not sweep it, there is  no guarantee it will work properly.  And if 
they did sweep it it is going to cost a ton.  

  SMA is cheap, easy and always works at those frequencies.  N is only cheap 
and easy below 6 GHz.  
  I am  not saying a connector that is rated for the frequency will  not do the 
job, but the connector is just the first step.  If you do not use extreme 
precision at 18 GHz then sweep the cable with the proper gear it is going to 
have problems.  Things like terminations at 18 GHz are not even trivial.  It is 
so hard to get a good 50 ohm termination for calibration you generally use a 
sliding load.  (Actually, you are normally using waveguide at 18 GHz.  )

  I do – do this for a living, you know...

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 8:13 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  I'm saying the same thing. Take the connector designed for it, thrown your 
opinion in the trash, and post the results. Repeat the test. Have someone else 
repeat the test. Scientific method.

  On Jul 1, 2016 9:10 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Type N connectors are not in common use above 6 GHz.  Believe me or not.  

You wanna go above 6, there are plenty of other cheaper and better 
connectors to use.  N connector concentricity is not inherent to the design of 
the connector.  And concentricity is essential to good return loss.  

You send me an N connector cable.  I will put it on a load and connect it 
to a vector network analyzer with a smith chart on the screen.   Will record 
video.  Then I will wiggle the cable and back off the connector a bit you can 
see for  yourself the dot (arc actually)  wander all over the place.  The 
higher the frequency the more 

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Mike Hammett]

UBNT seems to have focus groups... and then do the opposite of what they want. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:34:02 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N 




So mechanical robustness and weatherproofing are not important on every other 
connectorized radio they sell? That explanation sounds fishy. 

Seems like the sort of decision you get when you are catering to a specific key 
customer. Or listening to a focus group. Oh wait, that’s what we are. 





From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 9:41 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N 


UBNT said that they went with N for its increased mechanical robustness and 
weatherproofing. Were they having issues with that at SMA? 

Why go cabled over waveguide at all anyway? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 9:38:01 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N 


Right, and so do the people you're talking about - keep it in mind they've 
already tested these. 
I brought up this exact issue by the way, when they (idiot customer) fuck up a 
connector and buy one from BillyBobs HAM shop and wonder why it doesn't work. 
I was told the cost on these was low, and they would be sold like any other 
connector or accessory. I mean, you DO buy spares for licensed backhaul, right? 
I was also told they are working on "other accessories" for this radio that 
will be some of the highest quality in the industry. 
On Jul 1, 2016 9:27 PM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Here is the thing, you buy a radio that has 11 or 18 GHz appearing on an N 
connector. 

Then you purchase a cable from your favorite cable place. Connect the two and 
wonder why you are having problems. 

If you get a cable that actually has connectors rated for the frequency if they 
did not sweep it, there is no guarantee it will work properly. And if they did 
sweep it it is going to cost a ton. 

SMA is cheap, easy and always works at those frequencies. N is only cheap and 
easy below 6 GHz. 
I am not saying a connector that is rated for the frequency will not do the 
job, but the connector is just the first step. If you do not use extreme 
precision at 18 GHz then sweep the cable with the proper gear it is going to 
have problems. Things like terminations at 18 GHz are not even trivial. It is 
so hard to get a good 50 ohm termination for calibration you generally use a 
sliding load. (Actually, you are normally using waveguide at 18 GHz. ) 

I do – do this for a living, you know... 




From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 8:13 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N 


I'm saying the same thing. Take the connector designed for it, thrown your 
opinion in the trash, and post the results. Repeat the test. Have someone else 
repeat the test. Scientific method. 
On Jul 1, 2016 9:10 PM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Type N connectors are not in common use above 6 GHz. Believe me or not. 

You wanna go above 6, there are plenty of other cheaper and better connectors 
to use. N connector concentricity is not inherent to the design of the 
connector. And concentricity is essential to good return loss. 

You send me an N connector cable. I will put it on a load and connect it to a 
vector network analyzer with a smith chart on the screen. Will record video. 
Then I will wiggle the cable and back off the connector a bit you can see for 
yourself the dot (arc actually) wander all over the place. The higher the 
frequency the more it becomes a wild line. 

Then I will do the same for SMA and you can see for yourself which one is more 
stable. Opinions don’t matter. A dot is a dot, an arc is an arc and a squiggly 
line is a squiggly line. 




From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 7:53 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N 


So, nothing personal by this... but if the connector is designed for it (and 
has several versions by other manufacturers to boot), has been used (and is 
still used) on testing equipment... I'm probably more inclined to take their 
word for it over yours. 
On Jul 1, 2016 7:58 PM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






IMHO, 6 GHz is the upper limit. 




From: Peter Kranz 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 5:22 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N 



“ Originally, the connector was designed to carry signals at frequencies up to 
1 GHz in

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Ken Hohhof]

So mechanical robustness and weatherproofing are not important on every other 
connectorized radio they sell?  That explanation sounds fishy.

Seems like the sort of decision you get when you are catering to a specific key 
customer.  Or listening to a focus group.  Oh wait, that’s what we are.


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 9:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

UBNT said that they went with N for its increased mechanical robustness and 
weatherproofing. Were they having issues with that at SMA?

Why go cabled over waveguide at all anyway?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 9:38:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N


Right, and so do the people you're talking about - keep it in mind they've 
already tested these.

I brought up this exact issue by the way, when they (idiot customer) fuck up a 
connector and buy one from BillyBobs HAM shop and wonder why it doesn't work.

I was told the cost on these was low, and they would be sold like any other 
connector or accessory. I mean, you DO buy spares for licensed backhaul, right?

I was also told they are working on "other accessories" for this radio that 
will be some of the highest quality in the industry.

On Jul 1, 2016 9:27 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Here is  the thing, you buy a radio that has 11 or 18 GHz appearing on an N 
connector.

  Then you purchase a cable from your favorite cable place.  Connect the two 
and wonder why you are having problems.  

  If  you get a cable that actually has connectors rated for the frequency if 
they did not sweep it, there is  no guarantee it will work properly.  And if 
they did sweep it it is going to cost a ton.  

  SMA is cheap, easy and always works at those frequencies.  N is only cheap 
and easy below 6 GHz.  
  I am  not saying a connector that is rated for the frequency will  not do the 
job, but the connector is just the first step.  If you do not use extreme 
precision at 18 GHz then sweep the cable with the proper gear it is going to 
have problems.  Things like terminations at 18 GHz are not even trivial.  It is 
so hard to get a good 50 ohm termination for calibration you generally use a 
sliding load.  (Actually, you are normally using waveguide at 18 GHz.  )

  I do – do this for a living, you know...

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 8:13 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  I'm saying the same thing. Take the connector designed for it, thrown your 
opinion in the trash, and post the results. Repeat the test. Have someone else 
repeat the test. Scientific method.

  On Jul 1, 2016 9:10 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Type N connectors are not in common use above 6 GHz.  Believe me or not.  

You wanna go above 6, there are plenty of other cheaper and better 
connectors to use.  N connector concentricity is not inherent to the design of 
the connector.  And concentricity is essential to good return loss.  

You send me an N connector cable.  I will put it on a load and connect it 
to a vector network analyzer with a smith chart on the screen.   Will record 
video.  Then I will wiggle the cable and back off the connector a bit you can 
see for  yourself the dot (arc actually)  wander all over the place.  The 
higher the frequency the more it becomes a wild line.  

Then I will do the same for SMA and you can see for yourself which one is 
more stable.   Opinions don’t matter.  A dot is a dot, an arc is an arc and a 
squiggly line is a squiggly line.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 7:53 PM
    To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

So, nothing personal by this... but if the connector is designed for it 
(and has several versions by other manufacturers to boot), has been used (and 
is still used) on testing equipment... I'm probably more inclined to take their 
word for it over yours.

On Jul 1, 2016 7:58 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  IMHO, 6 GHz is the upper limit.  

  From: Peter Kranz 
  Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 5:22 PM
      To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  “Originally, the connector was designed to carry signals at frequencies 
up to 1 GHz in military applications, but today's common Type N easily handles 
frequencies up to 11 GHz. More recent precision enhancements to the design by 
Julius Botka at Hewlett Packard have pushed this to 18 GHz.”



  http://inmet.apitech.com/inmet/micro-inmet-between-typen.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Mathew Howard]

It wouldn't be disruptive :P

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 11:18 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> IMHO it should be neither N or SMA or anything else, it should be direct
> to waveguide... What is wrong with the mechanical robustness of mounting a
> radio directly on a dish (cylindrical waveguide + 4 bolt REMEC)?  Or the
> way a Dragonwave radio mounts with the four clips?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> UBNT said that they went with N for its increased mechanical robustness
>> and weatherproofing. Were they having issues with that at SMA?
>>
>> Why go cabled over waveguide at all anyway?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, July 1, 2016 9:38:01 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>
>> Right, and so do the people you're talking about - keep it in mind
>> they've already tested these.
>>
>> I brought up this exact issue by the way, when they (idiot customer) fuck
>> up a connector and buy one from BillyBobs HAM shop and wonder why it
>> doesn't work.
>>
>> I was told the cost on these was low, and they would be sold like any
>> other connector or accessory. I mean, you DO buy spares for licensed
>> backhaul, right?
>>
>> I was also told they are working on "other accessories" for this radio
>> that will be some of the highest quality in the industry.
>> On Jul 1, 2016 9:27 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Here is  the thing, you buy a radio that has 11 or 18 GHz appearing on
>>> an N connector.
>>>
>>> Then you purchase a cable from your favorite cable place.  Connect the
>>> two and wonder why you are having problems.
>>>
>>> If  you get a cable that actually has connectors rated for the frequency
>>> if they did not sweep it, there is  no guarantee it will work properly.
>>> And if they did sweep it it is going to cost a ton.
>>>
>>> SMA is cheap, easy and always works at those frequencies.  N is only
>>> cheap and easy below 6 GHz.
>>> I am  not saying a connector that is rated for the frequency will  not
>>> do the job, but the connector is just the first step.  If you do not use
>>> extreme precision at 18 GHz then sweep the cable with the proper gear it is
>>> going to have problems.  Things like terminations at 18 GHz are not even
>>> trivial.  It is so hard to get a good 50 ohm termination for calibration
>>> you generally use a sliding load.  (Actually, you are normally using
>>> waveguide at 18 GHz.  )
>>>
>>> I do – do this for a living, you know...
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 8:13 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm saying the same thing. Take the connector designed for it, thrown
>>> your opinion in the trash, and post the results. Repeat the test. Have
>>> someone else repeat the test. Scientific method.
>>> On Jul 1, 2016 9:10 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Type N connectors are not in common use above 6 GHz.  Believe me or
>>>> not.
>>>>
>>>> You wanna go above 6, there are plenty of other cheaper and better
>>>> connectors to use.  N connector concentricity is not inherent to the design
>>>> of the connector.  And concentricity is essential to good return loss.
>>>>
>>>> You send me an N connector cable.  I will put it on a load and connect
>>>> it to a v

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Eric Kuhnke]

IMHO it should be neither N or SMA or anything else, it should be direct to
waveguide... What is wrong with the mechanical robustness of mounting a
radio directly on a dish (cylindrical waveguide + 4 bolt REMEC)?  Or the
way a Dragonwave radio mounts with the four clips?



On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> UBNT said that they went with N for its increased mechanical robustness
> and weatherproofing. Were they having issues with that at SMA?
>
> Why go cabled over waveguide at all anyway?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ----------
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, July 1, 2016 9:38:01 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
> Right, and so do the people you're talking about - keep it in mind they've
> already tested these.
>
> I brought up this exact issue by the way, when they (idiot customer) fuck
> up a connector and buy one from BillyBobs HAM shop and wonder why it
> doesn't work.
>
> I was told the cost on these was low, and they would be sold like any
> other connector or accessory. I mean, you DO buy spares for licensed
> backhaul, right?
>
> I was also told they are working on "other accessories" for this radio
> that will be some of the highest quality in the industry.
> On Jul 1, 2016 9:27 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Here is  the thing, you buy a radio that has 11 or 18 GHz appearing on an
>> N connector.
>>
>> Then you purchase a cable from your favorite cable place.  Connect the
>> two and wonder why you are having problems.
>>
>> If  you get a cable that actually has connectors rated for the frequency
>> if they did not sweep it, there is  no guarantee it will work properly.
>> And if they did sweep it it is going to cost a ton.
>>
>> SMA is cheap, easy and always works at those frequencies.  N is only
>> cheap and easy below 6 GHz.
>> I am  not saying a connector that is rated for the frequency will  not do
>> the job, but the connector is just the first step.  If you do not use
>> extreme precision at 18 GHz then sweep the cable with the proper gear it is
>> going to have problems.  Things like terminations at 18 GHz are not even
>> trivial.  It is so hard to get a good 50 ohm termination for calibration
>> you generally use a sliding load.  (Actually, you are normally using
>> waveguide at 18 GHz.  )
>>
>> I do – do this for a living, you know...
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 8:13 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>
>>
>> I'm saying the same thing. Take the connector designed for it, thrown
>> your opinion in the trash, and post the results. Repeat the test. Have
>> someone else repeat the test. Scientific method.
>> On Jul 1, 2016 9:10 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Type N connectors are not in common use above 6 GHz.  Believe me or
>>> not.
>>>
>>> You wanna go above 6, there are plenty of other cheaper and better
>>> connectors to use.  N connector concentricity is not inherent to the design
>>> of the connector.  And concentricity is essential to good return loss.
>>>
>>> You send me an N connector cable.  I will put it on a load and connect
>>> it to a vector network analyzer with a smith chart on the screen.   Will
>>> record video.  Then I will wiggle the cable and back off the connector a
>>> bit you can see for  yourself the dot (arc actually)  wander all over the
>>> place.  The higher the frequency the more it becomes a wild line.
>>>
>>> Then I will do the same for SMA and you can see for yourself which one
>>> is more stable.   Opinions don’t matter.  A dot is a dot, an arc is an arc
&g

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Mathew Howard]

It seems to me that something along the lines of what the RF elements horn
antennas have could work...
On Jul 1, 2016 10:27 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> If they figure out how to put a waveguide interface on their
> interchangeable/reversible diplexer design, they may have something. But
> until then, it ain't waveguide, so I ain't buyin it. That simple.
>
> On 7/1/2016 10:13 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> The connectors may very well be designed such they will work at that
> frequency, but the care that is taken when terminating cables with them and
> the quality of the cable is every bit as important.  UBNT ain’t exactly
> known for high end stuff.  (Sorry Chuck M).  I am sure that if it is
> critical to  the success of the  product, they will make it work.  But
> really, why waste time speculating.  Time will tell.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 8:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
>
> Let me clarify something, I'm not taking about comparing N to SMA, I'm
> talking about verifying these high quality N connectors are suitable for
> use in low to medium cost licensed backhaul links.
> On Jul 1, 2016 9:12 PM, wrote:
>
>> I'm saying the same thing. Take the connector designed for it, thrown
>> your opinion in the trash, and post the results. Repeat the test. Have
>> someone else repeat the test. Scientific method.
>> On Jul 1, 2016 9:10 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Type N connectors are not in common use above 6 GHz.  Believe me or
>>> not.
>>>
>>> You wanna go above 6, there are plenty of other cheaper and better
>>> connectors to use.  N connector concentricity is not inherent to the design
>>> of the connector.  And concentricity is essential to good return loss.
>>>
>>> You send me an N connector cable.  I will put it on a load and connect
>>> it to a vector network analyzer with a smith chart on the screen.   Will
>>> record video.  Then I will wiggle the cable and back off the connector a
>>> bit you can see for  yourself the dot (arc actually)  wander all over the
>>> place.  The higher the frequency the more it becomes a wild line.
>>>
>>> Then I will do the same for SMA and you can see for yourself which one
>>> is more stable.   Opinions don’t matter.  A dot is a dot, an arc is an arc
>>> and a squiggly line is a squiggly line.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 7:53 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>>
>>>
>>> So, nothing personal by this... but if the connector is designed for it
>>> (and has several versions by other manufacturers to boot), has been used
>>> (and is still used) on testing equipment... I'm probably more inclined to
>>> take their word for it over yours.
>>> On Jul 1, 2016 7:58 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> IMHO, 6 GHz is the upper limit.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Peter Kranz <pkr...@unwiredltd.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 5:22 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> “Originally, the connector was designed to carry signals at
>>>> frequencies up to 1 GHz <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GHz> in
>>>> military applications, but today's common Type N easily handles frequencies
>>>> up to 11 GHz. More recent precision enhancements to the design by Julius
>>>> Botka at Hewlett Packard
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hewlett_Packard> have pushed this to 18
>>>> GHz.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://inmet.apitech.com/inmet/micro-inmet-between-typen.cfm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Peter Kranz *www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
>>>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>>>> Mobile: 510-207-
>>>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:24 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[George Skorup]

If they figure out how to put a waveguide interface on their 
interchangeable/reversible diplexer design, they may have something. But 
until then, it ain't waveguide, so I ain't buyin it. That simple.


On 7/1/2016 10:13 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
The connectors may very well be designed such they will work at that 
frequency, but the care that is taken when terminating cables with 
them and the quality of the cable is every bit as important.  UBNT 
ain’t exactly known for high end stuff.  (Sorry Chuck M).  I am sure 
that if it is critical to  the success of the  product, they will make 
it work.  But really, why waste time speculating.  Time will tell.

*From:* Josh Reynolds <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>
*Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 8:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

Let me clarify something, I'm not taking about comparing N to SMA, I'm 
talking about verifying these high quality N connectors are suitable 
for use in low to medium cost licensed backhaul links.


On Jul 1, 2016 9:12 PM, wrote:

I'm saying the same thing. Take the connector designed for it,
thrown your opinion in the trash, and post the results. Repeat the
test. Have someone else repeat the test. Scientific method.

On Jul 1, 2016 9:10 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Type N connectors are not in common use above 6 GHz.  Believe
me or not.
You wanna go above 6, there are plenty of other cheaper and
better connectors to use. N connector concentricity is not
inherent to the design of the connector.  And concentricity is
essential to good return loss.
You send me an N connector cable.  I will put it on a load and
connect it to a vector network analyzer with a smith chart on
the screen.   Will record video.  Then I will wiggle the cable
and back off the connector a bit you can see for  yourself the
dot (arc actually)  wander all over the place.  The higher the
frequency the more it becomes a wild line.
Then I will do the same for SMA and you can see for yourself
which one is more stable.   Opinions don’t matter.  A dot is a
dot, an arc is an arc and a squiggly line is a squiggly line.
*From:* Josh Reynolds <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>
*Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 7:53 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

So, nothing personal by this... but if the connector is
designed for it (and has several versions by other
manufacturers to boot), has been used (and is still used) on
testing equipment... I'm probably more inclined to take their
word for it over yours.

On Jul 1, 2016 7:58 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

IMHO, 6 GHz is the upper limit.
*From:* Peter Kranz <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com>
*Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 5:22 PM
    *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

“Originally, the connector was designed to carry signals
at frequencies up to 1 GHz
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GHz> in military
applications, but today's common Type N easily handles
frequencies up to 11 GHz. More recent precision
enhancements to the design by Julius Botka at Hewlett
Packard <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hewlett_Packard>
have pushed this to 18 GHz.”

http://inmet.apitech.com/inmet/micro-inmet-between-typen.cfm

*Peter Kranz
*www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
Desk: 510-868-1614  x100
Mobile: 510-207- 
pkr...@unwiredltd.com <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com>

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:24 PM
        *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

Yeah, I think this is a case of somebody bowing their neck
- a pissing contest between a boss and underlings at UBNT.

*From:*Eric Kuhnke <mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>

    *Sent:*Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:19 PM

    *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

I have never in my life personally seen an N connector
rated above 11 GHz. High-quality/expensive N connectors
are used extensivel

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Chuck McCown]

The connectors may very well be designed such they will work at that frequency, 
but the care that is taken when terminating cables with them and the quality of 
the cable is every bit as important.  UBNT ain’t exactly known for high end 
stuff.  (Sorry Chuck M).  I am sure that if it is critical to  the success of 
the  product, they will make it work.  But really, why waste time speculating.  
Time will tell.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 8:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

Let me clarify something, I'm not taking about comparing N to SMA, I'm talking 
about verifying these high quality N connectors are suitable for use in low to 
medium cost licensed backhaul links.

On Jul 1, 2016 9:12 PM, wrote:

  I'm saying the same thing. Take the connector designed for it, thrown your 
opinion in the trash, and post the results. Repeat the test. Have someone else 
repeat the test. Scientific method.

  On Jul 1, 2016 9:10 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Type N connectors are not in common use above 6 GHz.  Believe me or not.  

You wanna go above 6, there are plenty of other cheaper and better 
connectors to use.  N connector concentricity is not inherent to the design of 
the connector.  And concentricity is essential to good return loss.  

You send me an N connector cable.  I will put it on a load and connect it 
to a vector network analyzer with a smith chart on the screen.   Will record 
video.  Then I will wiggle the cable and back off the connector a bit you can 
see for  yourself the dot (arc actually)  wander all over the place.  The 
higher the frequency the more it becomes a wild line.  

Then I will do the same for SMA and you can see for yourself which one is 
more stable.   Opinions don’t matter.  A dot is a dot, an arc is an arc and a 
squiggly line is a squiggly line.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 7:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

So, nothing personal by this... but if the connector is designed for it 
(and has several versions by other manufacturers to boot), has been used (and 
is still used) on testing equipment... I'm probably more inclined to take their 
word for it over yours.

On Jul 1, 2016 7:58 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  IMHO, 6 GHz is the upper limit.  

  From: Peter Kranz 
  Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 5:22 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  “Originally, the connector was designed to carry signals at frequencies 
up to 1 GHz in military applications, but today's common Type N easily handles 
frequencies up to 11 GHz. More recent precision enhancements to the design by 
Julius Botka at Hewlett Packard have pushed this to 18 GHz.”



  http://inmet.apitech.com/inmet/micro-inmet-between-typen.cfm



  Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
  Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
  Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:24 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N



  Yeah, I think this is a case of somebody bowing their neck - a pissing 
contest between a boss and underlings at UBNT.  



  From: Eric Kuhnke 

  Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:19 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N



  I have never in my life personally seen an N connector rated above 11 
GHz. High-quality/expensive N connectors are used extensively in two way 
satellite - such as with 3.0 meter C-band Tx/Rx earth station dishes...  But 
you only use N for the 50 ohm coax cables from the modem (indoors) to the 
electronics which lives directly attached to the waveguide/feed on the dish (Rx 
LNB and Tx SSPA/BUC). 

  The coax is used between 1.2 to 1.8 GHz to communicate with the Tx and Rx 
electronics on the dish. A satellite LNB on the Rx side is basically a 10:1 
ratio downconverter.

  Like so: http://beta.satcomresources.com/sca/images/NORS3120N_detail-3.jpg

  There's your single polarity waveguide interface on one side, N on the 
other. 



  On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

First of all, I have never seen an N connector rated above 11 GHz, and 
those are extra expensive.

If there is an 18 GHz version, it will be even more expensive.  



This will not be a cable you can make yourself in the field and it will 
be very sensitive to being fully seated so you will probably have to use a 
torque wrench to make it work at 18 GHz.  



Silly.  You can weatherproof an SMA just as easy as an N connector.  
Good heatshrink can be found for both.  

Folk

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Chuck McCown]

It is just damned hard to use cables at 11 GHz and up.  On test gear where you 
are trying to optimize and tune waveguide components, my $1200 huber shuner 
cable is not even that reliable.  You wiggle it and things that should not move 
move on the screen.

I hate using cables when I am above 6 GHz.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 8:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

It will be interesting to see what “low” means when it comes to a fully tested 
and guaranteed 18 GHz cable.  Perhaps they will supply the cables too.   
Perhaps advances in N connectors are something I am oblivious to.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 8:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

Right, and so do the people you're talking about - keep it in mind they've 
already tested these.

I brought up this exact issue by the way, when they (idiot customer) fuck up a 
connector and buy one from BillyBobs HAM shop and wonder why it doesn't work.

I was told the cost on these was low, and they would be sold like any other 
connector or accessory. I mean, you DO buy spares for licensed backhaul, right?

I was also told they are working on "other accessories" for this radio that 
will be some of the highest quality in the industry.

On Jul 1, 2016 9:27 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Here is  the thing, you buy a radio that has 11 or 18 GHz appearing on an N 
connector.

  Then you purchase a cable from your favorite cable place.  Connect the two 
and wonder why you are having problems.  

  If  you get a cable that actually has connectors rated for the frequency if 
they did not sweep it, there is  no guarantee it will work properly.  And if 
they did sweep it it is going to cost a ton.  

  SMA is cheap, easy and always works at those frequencies.  N is only cheap 
and easy below 6 GHz.  
  I am  not saying a connector that is rated for the frequency will  not do the 
job, but the connector is just the first step.  If you do not use extreme 
precision at 18 GHz then sweep the cable with the proper gear it is going to 
have problems.  Things like terminations at 18 GHz are not even trivial.  It is 
so hard to get a good 50 ohm termination for calibration you generally use a 
sliding load.  (Actually, you are normally using waveguide at 18 GHz.  )

  I do – do this for a living, you know...

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 8:13 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  I'm saying the same thing. Take the connector designed for it, thrown your 
opinion in the trash, and post the results. Repeat the test. Have someone else 
repeat the test. Scientific method.

  On Jul 1, 2016 9:10 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Type N connectors are not in common use above 6 GHz.  Believe me or not.  

You wanna go above 6, there are plenty of other cheaper and better 
connectors to use.  N connector concentricity is not inherent to the design of 
the connector.  And concentricity is essential to good return loss.  

You send me an N connector cable.  I will put it on a load and connect it 
to a vector network analyzer with a smith chart on the screen.   Will record 
video.  Then I will wiggle the cable and back off the connector a bit you can 
see for  yourself the dot (arc actually)  wander all over the place.  The 
higher the frequency the more it becomes a wild line.  

Then I will do the same for SMA and you can see for yourself which one is 
more stable.   Opinions don’t matter.  A dot is a dot, an arc is an arc and a 
squiggly line is a squiggly line.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 7:53 PM
    To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

So, nothing personal by this... but if the connector is designed for it 
(and has several versions by other manufacturers to boot), has been used (and 
is still used) on testing equipment... I'm probably more inclined to take their 
word for it over yours.

On Jul 1, 2016 7:58 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  IMHO, 6 GHz is the upper limit.  

  From: Peter Kranz 
  Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 5:22 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  “Originally, the connector was designed to carry signals at frequencies 
up to 1 GHz in military applications, but today's common Type N easily handles 
frequencies up to 11 GHz. More recent precision enhancements to the design by 
Julius Botka at Hewlett Packard have pushed this to 18 GHz.”



  http://inmet.apitech.com/inmet/micro-inmet-between-typen.cfm



  Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
  Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
  Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.co

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Josh Reynolds]

They are part of the base kit...
On Jul 1, 2016 9:44 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> It will be interesting to see what “low” means when it comes to a fully
> tested and guaranteed 18 GHz cable.  Perhaps they will supply the cables
> too.   Perhaps advances in N connectors are something I am oblivious to.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 8:38 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
>
> Right, and so do the people you're talking about - keep it in mind they've
> already tested these.
>
> I brought up this exact issue by the way, when they (idiot customer) fuck
> up a connector and buy one from BillyBobs HAM shop and wonder why it
> doesn't work.
>
> I was told the cost on these was low, and they would be sold like any
> other connector or accessory. I mean, you DO buy spares for licensed
> backhaul, right?
>
> I was also told they are working on "other accessories" for this radio
> that will be some of the highest quality in the industry.
> On Jul 1, 2016 9:27 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Here is  the thing, you buy a radio that has 11 or 18 GHz appearing on an
>> N connector.
>>
>> Then you purchase a cable from your favorite cable place.  Connect the
>> two and wonder why you are having problems.
>>
>> If  you get a cable that actually has connectors rated for the frequency
>> if they did not sweep it, there is  no guarantee it will work properly.
>> And if they did sweep it it is going to cost a ton.
>>
>> SMA is cheap, easy and always works at those frequencies.  N is only
>> cheap and easy below 6 GHz.
>> I am  not saying a connector that is rated for the frequency will  not do
>> the job, but the connector is just the first step.  If you do not use
>> extreme precision at 18 GHz then sweep the cable with the proper gear it is
>> going to have problems.  Things like terminations at 18 GHz are not even
>> trivial.  It is so hard to get a good 50 ohm termination for calibration
>> you generally use a sliding load.  (Actually, you are normally using
>> waveguide at 18 GHz.  )
>>
>> I do – do this for a living, you know...
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 8:13 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>
>>
>> I'm saying the same thing. Take the connector designed for it, thrown
>> your opinion in the trash, and post the results. Repeat the test. Have
>> someone else repeat the test. Scientific method.
>> On Jul 1, 2016 9:10 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Type N connectors are not in common use above 6 GHz.  Believe me or
>>> not.
>>>
>>> You wanna go above 6, there are plenty of other cheaper and better
>>> connectors to use.  N connector concentricity is not inherent to the design
>>> of the connector.  And concentricity is essential to good return loss.
>>>
>>> You send me an N connector cable.  I will put it on a load and connect
>>> it to a vector network analyzer with a smith chart on the screen.   Will
>>> record video.  Then I will wiggle the cable and back off the connector a
>>> bit you can see for  yourself the dot (arc actually)  wander all over the
>>> place.  The higher the frequency the more it becomes a wild line.
>>>
>>> Then I will do the same for SMA and you can see for yourself which one
>>> is more stable.   Opinions don’t matter.  A dot is a dot, an arc is an arc
>>> and a squiggly line is a squiggly line.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 7:53 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>>
>>>
>>> So, nothing personal by this... but if the connector is designed for it
>>> (and has several versions by other manufacturers to boot), has been used
>>> (and is still used) on testing equipment... I'm probably more inclined to
>>> take their word for it over yours.
>>> On Jul 1, 2016 7:58 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> IMHO, 6 GHz is the upper limit.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Peter Kranz <pkr...@unwiredltd.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 5:22 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Chuck McCown]

It will be interesting to see what “low” means when it comes to a fully tested 
and guaranteed 18 GHz cable.  Perhaps they will supply the cables too.   
Perhaps advances in N connectors are something I am oblivious to.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 8:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

Right, and so do the people you're talking about - keep it in mind they've 
already tested these.

I brought up this exact issue by the way, when they (idiot customer) fuck up a 
connector and buy one from BillyBobs HAM shop and wonder why it doesn't work.

I was told the cost on these was low, and they would be sold like any other 
connector or accessory. I mean, you DO buy spares for licensed backhaul, right?

I was also told they are working on "other accessories" for this radio that 
will be some of the highest quality in the industry.

On Jul 1, 2016 9:27 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Here is  the thing, you buy a radio that has 11 or 18 GHz appearing on an N 
connector.

  Then you purchase a cable from your favorite cable place.  Connect the two 
and wonder why you are having problems.  

  If  you get a cable that actually has connectors rated for the frequency if 
they did not sweep it, there is  no guarantee it will work properly.  And if 
they did sweep it it is going to cost a ton.  

  SMA is cheap, easy and always works at those frequencies.  N is only cheap 
and easy below 6 GHz.  
  I am  not saying a connector that is rated for the frequency will  not do the 
job, but the connector is just the first step.  If you do not use extreme 
precision at 18 GHz then sweep the cable with the proper gear it is going to 
have problems.  Things like terminations at 18 GHz are not even trivial.  It is 
so hard to get a good 50 ohm termination for calibration you generally use a 
sliding load.  (Actually, you are normally using waveguide at 18 GHz.  )

  I do – do this for a living, you know...

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 8:13 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  I'm saying the same thing. Take the connector designed for it, thrown your 
opinion in the trash, and post the results. Repeat the test. Have someone else 
repeat the test. Scientific method.

  On Jul 1, 2016 9:10 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Type N connectors are not in common use above 6 GHz.  Believe me or not.  

You wanna go above 6, there are plenty of other cheaper and better 
connectors to use.  N connector concentricity is not inherent to the design of 
the connector.  And concentricity is essential to good return loss.  

You send me an N connector cable.  I will put it on a load and connect it 
to a vector network analyzer with a smith chart on the screen.   Will record 
video.  Then I will wiggle the cable and back off the connector a bit you can 
see for  yourself the dot (arc actually)  wander all over the place.  The 
higher the frequency the more it becomes a wild line.  

Then I will do the same for SMA and you can see for yourself which one is 
more stable.   Opinions don’t matter.  A dot is a dot, an arc is an arc and a 
squiggly line is a squiggly line.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 7:53 PM
    To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

So, nothing personal by this... but if the connector is designed for it 
(and has several versions by other manufacturers to boot), has been used (and 
is still used) on testing equipment... I'm probably more inclined to take their 
word for it over yours.

On Jul 1, 2016 7:58 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  IMHO, 6 GHz is the upper limit.  

  From: Peter Kranz 
  Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 5:22 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  “Originally, the connector was designed to carry signals at frequencies 
up to 1 GHz in military applications, but today's common Type N easily handles 
frequencies up to 11 GHz. More recent precision enhancements to the design by 
Julius Botka at Hewlett Packard have pushed this to 18 GHz.”



  http://inmet.apitech.com/inmet/micro-inmet-between-typen.cfm



  Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
  Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
  Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:24 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N



  Yeah, I think this is a case of somebody bowing their neck - a pissing 
contest between a boss and underlings at UBNT.  



  From: Eric Kuhnke 

  Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:19 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwa

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Chuck McCown]

No doubt that the mechanical robustness is better.  Weatherproofing can be done 
to SMA.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 8:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

UBNT said that they went with N for its increased mechanical robustness and 
weatherproofing. Were they having issues with that at SMA?

Why go cabled over waveguide at all anyway?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 9:38:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N


Right, and so do the people you're talking about - keep it in mind they've 
already tested these.

I brought up this exact issue by the way, when they (idiot customer) fuck up a 
connector and buy one from BillyBobs HAM shop and wonder why it doesn't work.

I was told the cost on these was low, and they would be sold like any other 
connector or accessory. I mean, you DO buy spares for licensed backhaul, right?

I was also told they are working on "other accessories" for this radio that 
will be some of the highest quality in the industry.

On Jul 1, 2016 9:27 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Here is  the thing, you buy a radio that has 11 or 18 GHz appearing on an N 
connector.

  Then you purchase a cable from your favorite cable place.  Connect the two 
and wonder why you are having problems.  

  If  you get a cable that actually has connectors rated for the frequency if 
they did not sweep it, there is  no guarantee it will work properly.  And if 
they did sweep it it is going to cost a ton.  

  SMA is cheap, easy and always works at those frequencies.  N is only cheap 
and easy below 6 GHz.  
  I am  not saying a connector that is rated for the frequency will  not do the 
job, but the connector is just the first step.  If you do not use extreme 
precision at 18 GHz then sweep the cable with the proper gear it is going to 
have problems.  Things like terminations at 18 GHz are not even trivial.  It is 
so hard to get a good 50 ohm termination for calibration you generally use a 
sliding load.  (Actually, you are normally using waveguide at 18 GHz.  )

  I do – do this for a living, you know...

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 8:13 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  I'm saying the same thing. Take the connector designed for it, thrown your 
opinion in the trash, and post the results. Repeat the test. Have someone else 
repeat the test. Scientific method.

  On Jul 1, 2016 9:10 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Type N connectors are not in common use above 6 GHz.  Believe me or not.  

You wanna go above 6, there are plenty of other cheaper and better 
connectors to use.  N connector concentricity is not inherent to the design of 
the connector.  And concentricity is essential to good return loss.  

You send me an N connector cable.  I will put it on a load and connect it 
to a vector network analyzer with a smith chart on the screen.   Will record 
video.  Then I will wiggle the cable and back off the connector a bit you can 
see for  yourself the dot (arc actually)  wander all over the place.  The 
higher the frequency the more it becomes a wild line.  

Then I will do the same for SMA and you can see for yourself which one is 
more stable.   Opinions don’t matter.  A dot is a dot, an arc is an arc and a 
squiggly line is a squiggly line.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 7:53 PM
    To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

So, nothing personal by this... but if the connector is designed for it 
(and has several versions by other manufacturers to boot), has been used (and 
is still used) on testing equipment... I'm probably more inclined to take their 
word for it over yours.

On Jul 1, 2016 7:58 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  IMHO, 6 GHz is the upper limit.  

  From: Peter Kranz 
  Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 5:22 PM
      To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  “Originally, the connector was designed to carry signals at frequencies 
up to 1 GHz in military applications, but today's common Type N easily handles 
frequencies up to 11 GHz. More recent precision enhancements to the design by 
Julius Botka at Hewlett Packard have pushed this to 18 GHz.”



  http://inmet.apitech.com/inmet/micro-inmet-between-typen.cfm



  Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
  Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
  Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Josh Reynolds]

You just said the same thing I did 2 days ago. I asked if I could post a
screenshot of the response, but havent been given a go ahead on this yet.

If my understanding is correct, there's about 15 people working on this
radio. 12 of which came from Motorola.
On Jul 1, 2016 9:41 PM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> UBNT said that they went with N for its increased mechanical robustness
> and weatherproofing. Were they having issues with that at SMA?
>
> Why go cabled over waveguide at all anyway?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
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> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
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> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --------------
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, July 1, 2016 9:38:01 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
> Right, and so do the people you're talking about - keep it in mind they've
> already tested these.
>
> I brought up this exact issue by the way, when they (idiot customer) fuck
> up a connector and buy one from BillyBobs HAM shop and wonder why it
> doesn't work.
>
> I was told the cost on these was low, and they would be sold like any
> other connector or accessory. I mean, you DO buy spares for licensed
> backhaul, right?
>
> I was also told they are working on "other accessories" for this radio
> that will be some of the highest quality in the industry.
> On Jul 1, 2016 9:27 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Here is  the thing, you buy a radio that has 11 or 18 GHz appearing on an
>> N connector.
>>
>> Then you purchase a cable from your favorite cable place.  Connect the
>> two and wonder why you are having problems.
>>
>> If  you get a cable that actually has connectors rated for the frequency
>> if they did not sweep it, there is  no guarantee it will work properly.
>> And if they did sweep it it is going to cost a ton.
>>
>> SMA is cheap, easy and always works at those frequencies.  N is only
>> cheap and easy below 6 GHz.
>> I am  not saying a connector that is rated for the frequency will  not do
>> the job, but the connector is just the first step.  If you do not use
>> extreme precision at 18 GHz then sweep the cable with the proper gear it is
>> going to have problems.  Things like terminations at 18 GHz are not even
>> trivial.  It is so hard to get a good 50 ohm termination for calibration
>> you generally use a sliding load.  (Actually, you are normally using
>> waveguide at 18 GHz.  )
>>
>> I do – do this for a living, you know...
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 8:13 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>
>>
>> I'm saying the same thing. Take the connector designed for it, thrown
>> your opinion in the trash, and post the results. Repeat the test. Have
>> someone else repeat the test. Scientific method.
>> On Jul 1, 2016 9:10 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Type N connectors are not in common use above 6 GHz.  Believe me or
>>> not.
>>>
>>> You wanna go above 6, there are plenty of other cheaper and better
>>> connectors to use.  N connector concentricity is not inherent to the design
>>> of the connector.  And concentricity is essential to good return loss.
>>>
>>> You send me an N connector cable.  I will put it on a load and connect
>>> it to a vector network analyzer with a smith chart on the screen.   Will
>>> record video.  Then I will wiggle the cable and back off the connector a
>>> bit you can see for  yourself the dot (arc actually)  wander all over the
>>> place.  The higher the frequency the more it becomes a wild line.
>>>
>>> Then I will do the same for SMA and you can see for yourself which one
>>> is more stable.   Opinions don’t matter.  A dot is a dot, an arc is an arc
>>> and a s

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Mike Hammett]

UBNT said that they went with N for its increased mechanical robustness and 
weatherproofing. Were they having issues with that at SMA? 

Why go cabled over waveguide at all anyway? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 9:38:01 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N 


Right, and so do the people you're talking about - keep it in mind they've 
already tested these. 
I brought up this exact issue by the way, when they (idiot customer) fuck up a 
connector and buy one from BillyBobs HAM shop and wonder why it doesn't work. 
I was told the cost on these was low, and they would be sold like any other 
connector or accessory. I mean, you DO buy spares for licensed backhaul, right? 
I was also told they are working on "other accessories" for this radio that 
will be some of the highest quality in the industry. 
On Jul 1, 2016 9:27 PM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Here is the thing, you buy a radio that has 11 or 18 GHz appearing on an N 
connector. 

Then you purchase a cable from your favorite cable place. Connect the two and 
wonder why you are having problems. 

If you get a cable that actually has connectors rated for the frequency if they 
did not sweep it, there is no guarantee it will work properly. And if they did 
sweep it it is going to cost a ton. 

SMA is cheap, easy and always works at those frequencies. N is only cheap and 
easy below 6 GHz. 
I am not saying a connector that is rated for the frequency will not do the 
job, but the connector is just the first step. If you do not use extreme 
precision at 18 GHz then sweep the cable with the proper gear it is going to 
have problems. Things like terminations at 18 GHz are not even trivial. It is 
so hard to get a good 50 ohm termination for calibration you generally use a 
sliding load. (Actually, you are normally using waveguide at 18 GHz. ) 

I do – do this for a living, you know... 




From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 8:13 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N 


I'm saying the same thing. Take the connector designed for it, thrown your 
opinion in the trash, and post the results. Repeat the test. Have someone else 
repeat the test. Scientific method. 
On Jul 1, 2016 9:10 PM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Type N connectors are not in common use above 6 GHz. Believe me or not. 

You wanna go above 6, there are plenty of other cheaper and better connectors 
to use. N connector concentricity is not inherent to the design of the 
connector. And concentricity is essential to good return loss. 

You send me an N connector cable. I will put it on a load and connect it to a 
vector network analyzer with a smith chart on the screen. Will record video. 
Then I will wiggle the cable and back off the connector a bit you can see for 
yourself the dot (arc actually) wander all over the place. The higher the 
frequency the more it becomes a wild line. 

Then I will do the same for SMA and you can see for yourself which one is more 
stable. Opinions don’t matter. A dot is a dot, an arc is an arc and a squiggly 
line is a squiggly line. 




From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 7:53 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N 


So, nothing personal by this... but if the connector is designed for it (and 
has several versions by other manufacturers to boot), has been used (and is 
still used) on testing equipment... I'm probably more inclined to take their 
word for it over yours. 
On Jul 1, 2016 7:58 PM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






IMHO, 6 GHz is the upper limit. 




From: Peter Kranz 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 5:22 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N 



“ Originally, the connector was designed to carry signals at frequencies up to 
1 GHz in military applications, but today's common Type N easily handles 
frequencies up to 11 GHz. More recent precision enhancements to the design by 
Julius Botka at Hewlett Packard have pushed this to 18 GHz.” 

http://inmet.apitech.com/inmet/micro-inmet-between-typen.cfm 


Peter Kranz 
www.UnwiredLtd.com 
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 
Mobile: 510-207- 
pkr...@unwiredltd.com 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:24 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N 




Yeah, I think this is a case of somebody bowing their neck - a pissing contest 
between a boss and underlings at UBNT. 






From: Eric Kuhnke 

Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:19 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N 

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Josh Reynolds]

Right, and so do the people you're talking about - keep it in mind they've
already tested these.

I brought up this exact issue by the way, when they (idiot customer) fuck
up a connector and buy one from BillyBobs HAM shop and wonder why it
doesn't work.

I was told the cost on these was low, and they would be sold like any other
connector or accessory. I mean, you DO buy spares for licensed backhaul,
right?

I was also told they are working on "other accessories" for this radio that
will be some of the highest quality in the industry.
On Jul 1, 2016 9:27 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Here is  the thing, you buy a radio that has 11 or 18 GHz appearing on an
> N connector.
>
> Then you purchase a cable from your favorite cable place.  Connect the two
> and wonder why you are having problems.
>
> If  you get a cable that actually has connectors rated for the frequency
> if they did not sweep it, there is  no guarantee it will work properly.
> And if they did sweep it it is going to cost a ton.
>
> SMA is cheap, easy and always works at those frequencies.  N is only cheap
> and easy below 6 GHz.
> I am  not saying a connector that is rated for the frequency will  not do
> the job, but the connector is just the first step.  If you do not use
> extreme precision at 18 GHz then sweep the cable with the proper gear it is
> going to have problems.  Things like terminations at 18 GHz are not even
> trivial.  It is so hard to get a good 50 ohm termination for calibration
> you generally use a sliding load.  (Actually, you are normally using
> waveguide at 18 GHz.  )
>
> I do – do this for a living, you know...
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 8:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
>
> I'm saying the same thing. Take the connector designed for it, thrown your
> opinion in the trash, and post the results. Repeat the test. Have someone
> else repeat the test. Scientific method.
> On Jul 1, 2016 9:10 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Type N connectors are not in common use above 6 GHz.  Believe me or not.
>>
>> You wanna go above 6, there are plenty of other cheaper and better
>> connectors to use.  N connector concentricity is not inherent to the design
>> of the connector.  And concentricity is essential to good return loss.
>>
>> You send me an N connector cable.  I will put it on a load and connect it
>> to a vector network analyzer with a smith chart on the screen.   Will
>> record video.  Then I will wiggle the cable and back off the connector a
>> bit you can see for  yourself the dot (arc actually)  wander all over the
>> place.  The higher the frequency the more it becomes a wild line.
>>
>> Then I will do the same for SMA and you can see for yourself which one is
>> more stable.   Opinions don’t matter.  A dot is a dot, an arc is an arc and
>> a squiggly line is a squiggly line.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 7:53 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>
>>
>> So, nothing personal by this... but if the connector is designed for it
>> (and has several versions by other manufacturers to boot), has been used
>> (and is still used) on testing equipment... I'm probably more inclined to
>> take their word for it over yours.
>> On Jul 1, 2016 7:58 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> IMHO, 6 GHz is the upper limit.
>>>
>>> *From:* Peter Kranz <pkr...@unwiredltd.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 5:22 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>>
>>>
>>> “Originally, the connector was designed to carry signals at frequencies
>>> up to 1 GHz <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GHz> in military
>>> applications, but today's common Type N easily handles frequencies up to 11
>>> GHz. More recent precision enhancements to the design by Julius Botka at 
>>> Hewlett
>>> Packard <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hewlett_Packard> have pushed
>>> this to 18 GHz.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://inmet.apitech.com/inmet/micro-inmet-between-typen.cfm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
>>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>>> Mobile: 510-207-
>>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
&

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Chuck McCown]

Here is  the thing, you buy a radio that has 11 or 18 GHz appearing on an N 
connector.

Then you purchase a cable from your favorite cable place.  Connect the two and 
wonder why you are having problems.  

If  you get a cable that actually has connectors rated for the frequency if 
they did not sweep it, there is  no guarantee it will work properly.  And if 
they did sweep it it is going to cost a ton.  

SMA is cheap, easy and always works at those frequencies.  N is only cheap and 
easy below 6 GHz.  
I am  not saying a connector that is rated for the frequency will  not do the 
job, but the connector is just the first step.  If you do not use extreme 
precision at 18 GHz then sweep the cable with the proper gear it is going to 
have problems.  Things like terminations at 18 GHz are not even trivial.  It is 
so hard to get a good 50 ohm termination for calibration you generally use a 
sliding load.  (Actually, you are normally using waveguide at 18 GHz.  )

I do – do this for a living, you know...

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 8:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

I'm saying the same thing. Take the connector designed for it, thrown your 
opinion in the trash, and post the results. Repeat the test. Have someone else 
repeat the test. Scientific method.

On Jul 1, 2016 9:10 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Type N connectors are not in common use above 6 GHz.  Believe me or not.  

  You wanna go above 6, there are plenty of other cheaper and better connectors 
to use.  N connector concentricity is not inherent to the design of the 
connector.  And concentricity is essential to good return loss.  

  You send me an N connector cable.  I will put it on a load and connect it to 
a vector network analyzer with a smith chart on the screen.   Will record 
video.  Then I will wiggle the cable and back off the connector a bit you can 
see for  yourself the dot (arc actually)  wander all over the place.  The 
higher the frequency the more it becomes a wild line.  

  Then I will do the same for SMA and you can see for yourself which one is 
more stable.   Opinions don’t matter.  A dot is a dot, an arc is an arc and a 
squiggly line is a squiggly line.  

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 7:53 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  So, nothing personal by this... but if the connector is designed for it (and 
has several versions by other manufacturers to boot), has been used (and is 
still used) on testing equipment... I'm probably more inclined to take their 
word for it over yours.

  On Jul 1, 2016 7:58 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

IMHO, 6 GHz is the upper limit.  

From: Peter Kranz 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 5:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

“Originally, the connector was designed to carry signals at frequencies up 
to 1 GHz in military applications, but today's common Type N easily handles 
frequencies up to 11 GHz. More recent precision enhancements to the design by 
Julius Botka at Hewlett Packard have pushed this to 18 GHz.”



http://inmet.apitech.com/inmet/micro-inmet-between-typen.cfm



Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N



Yeah, I think this is a case of somebody bowing their neck - a pissing 
contest between a boss and underlings at UBNT.  



From: Eric Kuhnke 

Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:19 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N



I have never in my life personally seen an N connector rated above 11 GHz. 
High-quality/expensive N connectors are used extensively in two way satellite - 
such as with 3.0 meter C-band Tx/Rx earth station dishes...  But you only use N 
for the 50 ohm coax cables from the modem (indoors) to the electronics which 
lives directly attached to the waveguide/feed on the dish (Rx LNB and Tx 
SSPA/BUC). 

The coax is used between 1.2 to 1.8 GHz to communicate with the Tx and Rx 
electronics on the dish. A satellite LNB on the Rx side is basically a 10:1 
ratio downconverter.

Like so: http://beta.satcomresources.com/sca/images/NORS3120N_detail-3.jpg

There's your single polarity waveguide interface on one side, N on the 
other. 



On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  First of all, I have never seen an N connector rated above 11 GHz, and 
those are extra expensive.

  If there is an 18 GHz version, it will be even more expensive.  



  This will not be a cable you can make your

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Josh Reynolds]

Let me clarify something, I'm not taking about comparing N to SMA, I'm
talking about verifying these high quality N connectors are suitable for
use in low to medium cost licensed backhaul links.
On Jul 1, 2016 9:12 PM, wrote:

> I'm saying the same thing. Take the connector designed for it, thrown your
> opinion in the trash, and post the results. Repeat the test. Have someone
> else repeat the test. Scientific method.
> On Jul 1, 2016 9:10 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Type N connectors are not in common use above 6 GHz.  Believe me or not.
>>
>> You wanna go above 6, there are plenty of other cheaper and better
>> connectors to use.  N connector concentricity is not inherent to the design
>> of the connector.  And concentricity is essential to good return loss.
>>
>> You send me an N connector cable.  I will put it on a load and connect it
>> to a vector network analyzer with a smith chart on the screen.   Will
>> record video.  Then I will wiggle the cable and back off the connector a
>> bit you can see for  yourself the dot (arc actually)  wander all over the
>> place.  The higher the frequency the more it becomes a wild line.
>>
>> Then I will do the same for SMA and you can see for yourself which one is
>> more stable.   Opinions don’t matter.  A dot is a dot, an arc is an arc and
>> a squiggly line is a squiggly line.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 7:53 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>
>>
>> So, nothing personal by this... but if the connector is designed for it
>> (and has several versions by other manufacturers to boot), has been used
>> (and is still used) on testing equipment... I'm probably more inclined to
>> take their word for it over yours.
>> On Jul 1, 2016 7:58 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> IMHO, 6 GHz is the upper limit.
>>>
>>> *From:* Peter Kranz <pkr...@unwiredltd.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 5:22 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>>
>>>
>>> “Originally, the connector was designed to carry signals at frequencies
>>> up to 1 GHz <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GHz> in military
>>> applications, but today's common Type N easily handles frequencies up to 11
>>> GHz. More recent precision enhancements to the design by Julius Botka at 
>>> Hewlett
>>> Packard <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hewlett_Packard> have pushed
>>> this to 18 GHz.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://inmet.apitech.com/inmet/micro-inmet-between-typen.cfm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
>>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>>> Mobile: 510-207-
>>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:24 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, I think this is a case of somebody bowing their neck - a pissing
>>> contest between a boss and underlings at UBNT.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:19 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have never in my life personally seen an N connector rated above 11
>>> GHz. High-quality/expensive N connectors are used extensively in two way
>>> satellite - such as with 3.0 meter C-band Tx/Rx earth station dishes...
>>> But you only use N for the 50 ohm coax cables from the modem (indoors) to
>>> the electronics which lives directly attached to the waveguide/feed on the
>>> dish (Rx LNB and Tx SSPA/BUC).
>>>
>>> The coax is used between 1.2 to 1.8 GHz to communicate with the Tx and
>>> Rx electronics on the dish. A satellite LNB on the Rx side is basically a
>>> 10:1 ratio downconverter.
>>>
>>> Like so:
>>> http://beta.satcomresources.com/sca/images/NORS3120N_detail-3.jpg
>>>
>>> There's your single polarity waveguide interface on one side, N on the
>>> other.
>>>
>>&

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Josh Reynolds]

I'm saying the same thing. Take the connector designed for it, thrown your
opinion in the trash, and post the results. Repeat the test. Have someone
else repeat the test. Scientific method.
On Jul 1, 2016 9:10 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Type N connectors are not in common use above 6 GHz.  Believe me or not.
>
> You wanna go above 6, there are plenty of other cheaper and better
> connectors to use.  N connector concentricity is not inherent to the design
> of the connector.  And concentricity is essential to good return loss.
>
> You send me an N connector cable.  I will put it on a load and connect it
> to a vector network analyzer with a smith chart on the screen.   Will
> record video.  Then I will wiggle the cable and back off the connector a
> bit you can see for  yourself the dot (arc actually)  wander all over the
> place.  The higher the frequency the more it becomes a wild line.
>
> Then I will do the same for SMA and you can see for yourself which one is
> more stable.   Opinions don’t matter.  A dot is a dot, an arc is an arc and
> a squiggly line is a squiggly line.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 7:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
>
> So, nothing personal by this... but if the connector is designed for it
> (and has several versions by other manufacturers to boot), has been used
> (and is still used) on testing equipment... I'm probably more inclined to
> take their word for it over yours.
> On Jul 1, 2016 7:58 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> IMHO, 6 GHz is the upper limit.
>>
>> *From:* Peter Kranz <pkr...@unwiredltd.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 5:22 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>
>>
>> “Originally, the connector was designed to carry signals at frequencies
>> up to 1 GHz <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GHz> in military
>> applications, but today's common Type N easily handles frequencies up to 11
>> GHz. More recent precision enhancements to the design by Julius Botka at 
>> Hewlett
>> Packard <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hewlett_Packard> have pushed this
>> to 18 GHz.”
>>
>>
>>
>> http://inmet.apitech.com/inmet/micro-inmet-between-typen.cfm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:24 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, I think this is a case of somebody bowing their neck - a pissing
>> contest between a boss and underlings at UBNT.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:19 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>
>>
>>
>> I have never in my life personally seen an N connector rated above 11
>> GHz. High-quality/expensive N connectors are used extensively in two way
>> satellite - such as with 3.0 meter C-band Tx/Rx earth station dishes...
>> But you only use N for the 50 ohm coax cables from the modem (indoors) to
>> the electronics which lives directly attached to the waveguide/feed on the
>> dish (Rx LNB and Tx SSPA/BUC).
>>
>> The coax is used between 1.2 to 1.8 GHz to communicate with the Tx and Rx
>> electronics on the dish. A satellite LNB on the Rx side is basically a 10:1
>> ratio downconverter.
>>
>> Like so:
>> http://beta.satcomresources.com/sca/images/NORS3120N_detail-3.jpg
>>
>> There's your single polarity waveguide interface on one side, N on the
>> other.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> First of all, I have never seen an N connector rated above 11 GHz, and
>> those are extra expensive.
>>
>> If there is an 18 GHz version, it will be even more expensive.
>>
>>
>>
>> This will not be a cable you can make yourself in the field and it will
>> be very sensitive to being fully seated so you will probably have to use a
>> torque wrench to make it work at 18 GHz.
>>
>>
>>
>> Silly.  You can weatherproof an SMA just as easy as an N conn

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Josh Reynolds]

So, nothing personal by this... but if the connector is designed for it
(and has several versions by other manufacturers to boot), has been used
(and is still used) on testing equipment... I'm probably more inclined to
take their word for it over yours.
On Jul 1, 2016 7:58 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> IMHO, 6 GHz is the upper limit.
>
> *From:* Peter Kranz <pkr...@unwiredltd.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 5:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
>
> “Originally, the connector was designed to carry signals at frequencies
> up to 1 GHz <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GHz> in military applications,
> but today's common Type N easily handles frequencies up to 11 GHz. More
> recent precision enhancements to the design by Julius Botka at Hewlett
> Packard <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hewlett_Packard> have pushed this
> to 18 GHz.”
>
>
>
> http://inmet.apitech.com/inmet/micro-inmet-between-typen.cfm
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
>
>
> Yeah, I think this is a case of somebody bowing their neck - a pissing
> contest between a boss and underlings at UBNT.
>
>
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:19 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
>
>
> I have never in my life personally seen an N connector rated above 11 GHz.
> High-quality/expensive N connectors are used extensively in two way
> satellite - such as with 3.0 meter C-band Tx/Rx earth station dishes...
> But you only use N for the 50 ohm coax cables from the modem (indoors) to
> the electronics which lives directly attached to the waveguide/feed on the
> dish (Rx LNB and Tx SSPA/BUC).
>
> The coax is used between 1.2 to 1.8 GHz to communicate with the Tx and Rx
> electronics on the dish. A satellite LNB on the Rx side is basically a 10:1
> ratio downconverter.
>
> Like so: http://beta.satcomresources.com/sca/images/NORS3120N_detail-3.jpg
>
> There's your single polarity waveguide interface on one side, N on the
> other.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> First of all, I have never seen an N connector rated above 11 GHz, and
> those are extra expensive.
>
> If there is an 18 GHz version, it will be even more expensive.
>
>
>
> This will not be a cable you can make yourself in the field and it will be
> very sensitive to being fully seated so you will probably have to use a
> torque wrench to make it work at 18 GHz.
>
>
>
> Silly.  You can weatherproof an SMA just as easy as an N connector.  Good
> heatshrink can be found for both.
>
> Folks trying to use N connectors at 18 GHz are going to quickly get
> introduced to the world of return loss problems.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Rob Genovesi
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2016 01:32
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
>
>
> From Gary-UBNT:
>
> "We are working on data sheets right now so hopefully you will get more
> questions answered shortly.  The reason for N connectors relates to demand
> for higher mechanical robustness and the ability for the connectors to be
> weather-proof as a stand alone connector (fully weatherproof gaskets and
> the ability to accept larger diameter jumpers readily).  The N connectors
> we use are rated to 18+ GHz."
>
> An active thread on the UBNT forums right now, more available here:
> http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/Some-AF11X-details/td-p/1512145
>
> -Rob
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm looking at all the other AF-nnX radios from UBNT, and they all use SMA
> connectors. What reason would they have to use N instead of SMA? Seems the
> SMA connector would have fewer issues at 11 GHz.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Chuck McCown]

IMHO, 6 GHz is the upper limit.  

From: Peter Kranz 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 5:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

“Originally, the connector was designed to carry signals at frequencies up to 1 
GHz in military applications, but today's common Type N easily handles 
frequencies up to 11 GHz. More recent precision enhancements to the design by 
Julius Botka at Hewlett Packard have pushed this to 18 GHz.”

 

http://inmet.apitech.com/inmet/micro-inmet-between-typen.cfm

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

 

Yeah, I think this is a case of somebody bowing their neck - a pissing contest 
between a boss and underlings at UBNT.  

 

From: Eric Kuhnke 

Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:19 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

 

I have never in my life personally seen an N connector rated above 11 GHz. 
High-quality/expensive N connectors are used extensively in two way satellite - 
such as with 3.0 meter C-band Tx/Rx earth station dishes...  But you only use N 
for the 50 ohm coax cables from the modem (indoors) to the electronics which 
lives directly attached to the waveguide/feed on the dish (Rx LNB and Tx 
SSPA/BUC). 

The coax is used between 1.2 to 1.8 GHz to communicate with the Tx and Rx 
electronics on the dish. A satellite LNB on the Rx side is basically a 10:1 
ratio downconverter.

Like so: http://beta.satcomresources.com/sca/images/NORS3120N_detail-3.jpg

There's your single polarity waveguide interface on one side, N on the other. 

 

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  First of all, I have never seen an N connector rated above 11 GHz, and those 
are extra expensive.

  If there is an 18 GHz version, it will be even more expensive.  

   

  This will not be a cable you can make yourself in the field and it will be 
very sensitive to being fully seated so you will probably have to use a torque 
wrench to make it work at 18 GHz.  

   

  Silly.  You can weatherproof an SMA just as easy as an N connector.  Good 
heatshrink can be found for both.  

  Folks trying to use N connectors at 18 GHz are going to quickly get 
introduced to the world of return loss problems.  

   

   

   

  Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rob Genovesi
  Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2016 01:32
  An: af@afmug.com
  Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

   

  From Gary-UBNT:

  "We are working on data sheets right now so hopefully you will get more 
questions answered shortly.  The reason for N connectors relates to demand for 
higher mechanical robustness and the ability for the connectors to be 
weather-proof as a stand alone connector (fully weatherproof gaskets and the 
ability to accept larger diameter jumpers readily).  The N connectors we use 
are rated to 18+ GHz."

  An active thread on the UBNT forums right now, more available here: 
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/Some-AF11X-details/td-p/1512145

  -Rob

   

  On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm looking at all the other AF-nnX radios from UBNT, and they all use SMA 
connectors. What reason would they have to use N instead of SMA? Seems the SMA 
connector would have fewer issues at 11 GHz. 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Peter Kranz]

“Originally, the connector was designed to carry signals at frequencies up to 1 
GHz <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GHz>  in military applications, but today's 
common Type N easily handles frequencies up to 11 GHz. More recent precision 
enhancements to the design by Julius Botka at Hewlett Packard 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hewlett_Packard>  have pushed this to 18 GHz.”

 

http://inmet.apitech.com/inmet/micro-inmet-between-typen.cfm

 

Peter Kranz
 <http://www.unwiredltd.com/> www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
 <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com> pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

 

Yeah, I think this is a case of somebody bowing their neck - a pissing contest 
between a boss and underlings at UBNT.  

 

From: Eric Kuhnke <mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:19 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

 

I have never in my life personally seen an N connector rated above 11 GHz. 
High-quality/expensive N connectors are used extensively in two way satellite - 
such as with 3.0 meter C-band Tx/Rx earth station dishes...  But you only use N 
for the 50 ohm coax cables from the modem (indoors) to the electronics which 
lives directly attached to the waveguide/feed on the dish (Rx LNB and Tx 
SSPA/BUC). 

The coax is used between 1.2 to 1.8 GHz to communicate with the Tx and Rx 
electronics on the dish. A satellite LNB on the Rx side is basically a 10:1 
ratio downconverter.

Like so: http://beta.satcomresources.com/sca/images/NORS3120N_detail-3.jpg

There's your single polarity waveguide interface on one side, N on the other. 

 

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

First of all, I have never seen an N connector rated above 11 GHz, and those 
are extra expensive.

If there is an 18 GHz version, it will be even more expensive.  

 

This will not be a cable you can make yourself in the field and it will be very 
sensitive to being fully seated so you will probably have to use a torque 
wrench to make it work at 18 GHz.  

 

Silly.  You can weatherproof an SMA just as easy as an N connector.  Good 
heatshrink can be found for both.  

Folks trying to use N connectors at 18 GHz are going to quickly get introduced 
to the world of return loss problems.  

 

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] Im Auftrag 
von Rob Genovesi
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2016 01:32
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

 

>From Gary-UBNT:

"We are working on data sheets right now so hopefully you will get more 
questions answered shortly.  The reason for N connectors relates to demand for 
higher mechanical robustness and the ability for the connectors to be 
weather-proof as a stand alone connector (fully weatherproof gaskets and the 
ability to accept larger diameter jumpers readily).  The N connectors we use 
are rated to 18+ GHz."

An active thread on the UBNT forums right now, more available here: 
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/Some-AF11X-details/td-p/1512145

-Rob

 

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com 
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I'm looking at all the other AF-nnX radios from UBNT, and they all use SMA 
connectors. What reason would they have to use N instead of SMA? Seems the SMA 
connector would have fewer issues at 11 GHz. 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Chuck McCown]

Yeah, I think this is a case of somebody bowing their neck - a pissing contest 
between a boss and underlings at UBNT.  

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

I have never in my life personally seen an N connector rated above 11 GHz. 
High-quality/expensive N connectors are used extensively in two way satellite - 
such as with 3.0 meter C-band Tx/Rx earth station dishes...  But you only use N 
for the 50 ohm coax cables from the modem (indoors) to the electronics which 
lives directly attached to the waveguide/feed on the dish (Rx LNB and Tx 
SSPA/BUC). 

The coax is used between 1.2 to 1.8 GHz to communicate with the Tx and Rx 
electronics on the dish. A satellite LNB on the Rx side is basically a 10:1 
ratio downconverter.


Like so: http://beta.satcomresources.com/sca/images/NORS3120N_detail-3.jpg


There's your single polarity waveguide interface on one side, N on the other. 


On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  First of all, I have never seen an N connector rated above 11 GHz, and those 
are extra expensive.
  If there is an 18 GHz version, it will be even more expensive.  

  This will not be a cable you can make yourself in the field and it will be 
very sensitive to being fully seated so you will probably have to use a torque 
wrench to make it work at 18 GHz.  

  Silly.  You can weatherproof an SMA just as easy as an N connector.  Good 
heatshrink can be found for both.  
  Folks trying to use N connectors at 18 GHz are going to quickly get 
introduced to the world of return loss problems.  
  Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rob Genovesi
  Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2016 01:32
  An: af@afmug.com
  Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N


  From Gary-UBNT:

  "We are working on data sheets right now so hopefully you will get more 
questions answered shortly.  The reason for N connectors relates to demand for 
higher mechanical robustness and the ability for the connectors to be 
weather-proof as a stand alone connector (fully weatherproof gaskets and the 
ability to accept larger diameter jumpers readily).  The N connectors we use 
are rated to 18+ GHz."

  An active thread on the UBNT forums right now, more available here: 
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/Some-AF11X-details/td-p/1512145

  -Rob



  On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm looking at all the other AF-nnX radios from UBNT, and they all use SMA 
connectors. What reason would they have to use N instead of SMA? Seems the SMA 
connector would have fewer issues at 11 GHz. 

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Eric Kuhnke]

I have never in my life personally seen an N connector rated above 11 GHz.
High-quality/expensive N connectors are used extensively in two way
satellite - such as with 3.0 meter C-band Tx/Rx earth station dishes...
But you only use N for the 50 ohm coax cables from the modem (indoors) to
the electronics which lives directly attached to the waveguide/feed on the
dish (Rx LNB and Tx SSPA/BUC).

The coax is used between 1.2 to 1.8 GHz to communicate with the Tx and Rx
electronics on the dish. A satellite LNB on the Rx side is basically a 10:1
ratio downconverter.

Like so: http://beta.satcomresources.com/sca/images/NORS3120N_detail-3.jpg

There's your single polarity waveguide interface on one side, N on the
other.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> First of all, I have never seen an N connector rated above 11 GHz, and
> those are extra expensive.
> If there is an 18 GHz version, it will be even more expensive.
>
> This will not be a cable you can make yourself in the field and it will be
> very sensitive to being fully seated so you will probably have to use a
> torque wrench to make it work at 18 GHz.
>
> Silly.  You can weatherproof an SMA just as easy as an N connector.  Good
> heatshrink can be found for both.
> Folks trying to use N connectors at 18 GHz are going to quickly get
> introduced to the world of return loss problems.
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Rob Genovesi
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2016 01:32
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
>
>
> From Gary-UBNT:
>
> "We are working on data sheets right now so hopefully you will get more
> questions answered shortly.  The reason for N connectors relates to demand
> for higher mechanical robustness and the ability for the connectors to be
> weather-proof as a stand alone connector (fully weatherproof gaskets and
> the ability to accept larger diameter jumpers readily).  The N connectors
> we use are rated to 18+ GHz."
>
> An active thread on the UBNT forums right now, more available here:
> http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/Some-AF11X-details/td-p/1512145
>
> -Rob
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm looking at all the other AF-nnX radios from UBNT, and they all use SMA
> connectors. What reason would they have to use N instead of SMA? Seems the
> SMA connector would have fewer issues at 11 GHz.
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Gino Villarini]

Dont get confused, in the Licensed FDX world a singe port / polarity
handles both data paths.  So a single polarity operation of the unit would
require only 1 N connector.

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 7:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> So... It will have four N connectors and four short jumper cables to a
> rear feed on a dish?  That will be quite a bit more complicated than a rear
> wavguide/feed adapter which just has two polarity offset H and V pol N
> connectors.
>
> I still don't understand what makes ubnt think they're special and can't
> put a radio with a cylindrical waveguide directly on the rear of a dish,
> such as with a four-bolt REMEC mount.
>
> Good to hear they are planning on direct DC wiring terminals. Who wants to
> bet they successfully put direct -48VDC power capability on the radio (42
> to 56VDC) but don't include an SFP cage?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Rob Genovesi 
> wrote:
>
>> From Gary-UBNT:
>>
>> "We are working on data sheets right now so hopefully you will get more
>> questions answered shortly.  The reason for N connectors relates to demand
>> for higher mechanical robustness and the ability for the connectors to be
>> weather-proof as a stand alone connector (fully weatherproof gaskets and
>> the ability to accept larger diameter jumpers readily).  The N connectors
>> we use are rated to 18+ GHz."
>>
>> An active thread on the UBNT forums right now, more available here:
>> http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/Some-AF11X-details/td-p/1512145
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Bill Prince 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking at all the other AF-nnX radios from UBNT, and they all use
>>> SMA connectors. What reason would they have to use N instead of SMA? Seems
>>> the SMA connector would have fewer issues at 11 GHz.
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Chuck McCown]

First of all, I have never seen an N connector rated above 11 GHz, and those 
are extra expensive.
If there is an 18 GHz version, it will be even more expensive.  

This will not be a cable you can make yourself in the field and it will be very 
sensitive to being fully seated so you will probably have to use a torque 
wrench to make it work at 18 GHz.  

Silly.  You can weatherproof an SMA just as easy as an N connector.  Good 
heatshrink can be found for both.  
Folks trying to use N connectors at 18 GHz are going to quickly get introduced 
to the world of return loss problems.  
Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rob Genovesi
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2016 01:32
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
 

>From Gary-UBNT:

"We are working on data sheets right now so hopefully you will get more 
questions answered shortly.  The reason for N connectors relates to demand for 
higher mechanical robustness and the ability for the connectors to be 
weather-proof as a stand alone connector (fully weatherproof gaskets and the 
ability to accept larger diameter jumpers readily).  The N connectors we use 
are rated to 18+ GHz."

An active thread on the UBNT forums right now, more available here: 
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/Some-AF11X-details/td-p/1512145

-Rob

 

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

  I'm looking at all the other AF-nnX radios from UBNT, and they all use SMA 
connectors. What reason would they have to use N instead of SMA? Seems the SMA 
connector would have fewer issues at 11 GHz. 

   

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Stefan Englhardt]

A shame we cant use 11GHz …





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rob Genovesi
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2016 01:32
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N



>From Gary-UBNT:

"We are working on data sheets right now so hopefully you will get more 
questions answered shortly.  The reason for N connectors relates to demand for 
higher mechanical robustness and the ability for the connectors to be 
weather-proof as a stand alone connector (fully weatherproof gaskets and the 
ability to accept larger diameter jumpers readily).  The N connectors we use 
are rated to 18+ GHz."

An active thread on the UBNT forums right now, more available here: 
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/Some-AF11X-details/td-p/1512145

-Rob



On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com 
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I'm looking at all the other AF-nnX radios from UBNT, and they all use SMA 
connectors. What reason would they have to use N instead of SMA? Seems the SMA 
connector would have fewer issues at 11 GHz.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Bill Prince]

One other thing is that the diplexer is external, and reversible (no 
hi/low radio business). So I assume that the two N connectors go to the 
diplexer, and perhaps the diplexer has the wave guide on it? I don't 
know, I'm just speculating.



bp


On 6/29/2016 4:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
So... It will have four N connectors and four short jumper cables to a 
rear feed on a dish?  That will be quite a bit more complicated than a 
rear wavguide/feed adapter which just has two polarity offset H and V 
pol N connectors.


I still don't understand what makes ubnt think they're special and 
can't put a radio with a cylindrical waveguide directly on the rear of 
a dish, such as with a four-bolt REMEC mount.


Good to hear they are planning on direct DC wiring terminals. Who 
wants to bet they successfully put direct -48VDC power capability on 
the radio (42 to 56VDC) but don't include an SFP cage?




On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Rob Genovesi > wrote:


From Gary-UBNT:

"We are working on data sheets right now so hopefully you will get
more questions answered shortly.  The reason for N connectors
relates to demand for higher mechanical robustness and the ability
for the connectors to be weather-proof as a stand alone connector
(fully weatherproof gaskets and the ability to accept larger
diameter jumpers readily).  The N connectors we use are rated to
18+ GHz."

An active thread on the UBNT forums right now, more available
here:
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/Some-AF11X-details/td-p/1512145

-Rob


On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:

I'm looking at all the other AF-nnX radios from UBNT, and they
all use SMA connectors. What reason would they have to use N
instead of SMA? Seems the SMA connector would have fewer
issues at 11 GHz.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Seth Mattinen]

On 6/29/16 6:12 PM, George Skorup wrote:

I don't even care if it's Remec compatible or not. Waveguide-less above
6GHz is just dumb.



It's disruptive.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Josh Luthman]

Their spec sheets are always a serious joke...wait until it actually comes
out.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:20 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> The picture on their web site shows 2 N connectors on the top. They also
> claim in their forum that it will be in the 15 watt range. That sounds
> implausible.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 6/29/2016 4:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> So... It will have four N connectors and four short jumper cables to a
> rear feed on a dish?  That will be quite a bit more complicated than a rear
> wavguide/feed adapter which just has two polarity offset H and V pol N
> connectors.
>
> I still don't understand what makes ubnt think they're special and can't
> put a radio with a cylindrical waveguide directly on the rear of a dish,
> such as with a four-bolt REMEC mount.
>
> Good to hear they are planning on direct DC wiring terminals. Who wants to
> bet they successfully put direct -48VDC power capability on the radio (42
> to 56VDC) but don't include an SFP cage?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Rob Genovesi 
> wrote:
>
>> From Gary-UBNT:
>>
>> "We are working on data sheets right now so hopefully you will get more
>> questions answered shortly.  The reason for N connectors relates to demand
>> for higher mechanical robustness and the ability for the connectors to be
>> weather-proof as a stand alone connector (fully weatherproof gaskets and
>> the ability to accept larger diameter jumpers readily).  The N connectors
>> we use are rated to 18+ GHz."
>>
>> An active thread on the UBNT forums right now, more available here:
>> http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/Some-AF11X-details/td-p/1512145
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Bill Prince < 
>> part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking at all the other AF-nnX radios from UBNT, and they all use
>>> SMA connectors. What reason would they have to use N instead of SMA? Seems
>>> the SMA connector would have fewer issues at 11 GHz.
>>>
>>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Bill Prince]

The picture on their web site shows 2 N connectors on the top. They also 
claim in their forum that it will be in the 15 watt range. That sounds 
implausible.



bp


On 6/29/2016 4:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
So... It will have four N connectors and four short jumper cables to a 
rear feed on a dish?  That will be quite a bit more complicated than a 
rear wavguide/feed adapter which just has two polarity offset H and V 
pol N connectors.


I still don't understand what makes ubnt think they're special and 
can't put a radio with a cylindrical waveguide directly on the rear of 
a dish, such as with a four-bolt REMEC mount.


Good to hear they are planning on direct DC wiring terminals. Who 
wants to bet they successfully put direct -48VDC power capability on 
the radio (42 to 56VDC) but don't include an SFP cage?




On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Rob Genovesi > wrote:


From Gary-UBNT:

"We are working on data sheets right now so hopefully you will get
more questions answered shortly.  The reason for N connectors
relates to demand for higher mechanical robustness and the ability
for the connectors to be weather-proof as a stand alone connector
(fully weatherproof gaskets and the ability to accept larger
diameter jumpers readily).  The N connectors we use are rated to
18+ GHz."

An active thread on the UBNT forums right now, more available
here:
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/Some-AF11X-details/td-p/1512145

-Rob


On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:

I'm looking at all the other AF-nnX radios from UBNT, and they
all use SMA connectors. What reason would they have to use N
instead of SMA? Seems the SMA connector would have fewer
issues at 11 GHz.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[George Skorup]

I don't even care if it's Remec compatible or not. Waveguide-less above 
6GHz is just dumb.


On 6/29/2016 6:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
So... It will have four N connectors and four short jumper cables to a 
rear feed on a dish?  That will be quite a bit more complicated than a 
rear wavguide/feed adapter which just has two polarity offset H and V 
pol N connectors.


I still don't understand what makes ubnt think they're special and 
can't put a radio with a cylindrical waveguide directly on the rear of 
a dish, such as with a four-bolt REMEC mount.


Good to hear they are planning on direct DC wiring terminals. Who 
wants to bet they successfully put direct -48VDC power capability on 
the radio (42 to 56VDC) but don't include an SFP cage?




On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Rob Genovesi > wrote:


From Gary-UBNT:

"We are working on data sheets right now so hopefully you will get
more questions answered shortly.  The reason for N connectors
relates to demand for higher mechanical robustness and the ability
for the connectors to be weather-proof as a stand alone connector
(fully weatherproof gaskets and the ability to accept larger
diameter jumpers readily).  The N connectors we use are rated to
18+ GHz."

An active thread on the UBNT forums right now, more available
here:
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/Some-AF11X-details/td-p/1512145

-Rob


On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:

I'm looking at all the other AF-nnX radios from UBNT, and they
all use SMA connectors. What reason would they have to use N
instead of SMA? Seems the SMA connector would have fewer
issues at 11 GHz.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[George Skorup]

And I bet it's +48.

On 6/29/2016 6:50 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


There is an SFP ;)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 29, 2016 7:49 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" > wrote:


So... It will have four N connectors and four short jumper cables
to a rear feed on a dish?  That will be quite a bit more
complicated than a rear wavguide/feed adapter which just has two
polarity offset H and V pol N connectors.

I still don't understand what makes ubnt think they're special and
can't put a radio with a cylindrical waveguide directly on the
rear of a dish, such as with a four-bolt REMEC mount.

Good to hear they are planning on direct DC wiring terminals. Who
wants to bet they successfully put direct -48VDC power capability
on the radio (42 to 56VDC) but don't include an SFP cage?



On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Rob Genovesi
> wrote:

From Gary-UBNT:

"We are working on data sheets right now so hopefully you will
get more questions answered shortly.  The reason for N
connectors relates to demand for higher mechanical robustness
and the ability for the connectors to be weather-proof as a
stand alone connector (fully weatherproof gaskets and the
ability to accept larger diameter jumpers readily).  The N
connectors we use are rated to 18+ GHz."

An active thread on the UBNT forums right now, more available
here:
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/Some-AF11X-details/td-p/1512145

-Rob


On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Bill Prince
> wrote:

I'm looking at all the other AF-nnX radios from UBNT, and
they all use SMA connectors. What reason would they have
to use N instead of SMA? Seems the SMA connector would
have fewer issues at 11 GHz.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Josh Luthman]

There is an SFP ;)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 29, 2016 7:49 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:

> So... It will have four N connectors and four short jumper cables to a
> rear feed on a dish?  That will be quite a bit more complicated than a rear
> wavguide/feed adapter which just has two polarity offset H and V pol N
> connectors.
>
> I still don't understand what makes ubnt think they're special and can't
> put a radio with a cylindrical waveguide directly on the rear of a dish,
> such as with a four-bolt REMEC mount.
>
> Good to hear they are planning on direct DC wiring terminals. Who wants to
> bet they successfully put direct -48VDC power capability on the radio (42
> to 56VDC) but don't include an SFP cage?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Rob Genovesi 
> wrote:
>
>> From Gary-UBNT:
>>
>> "We are working on data sheets right now so hopefully you will get more
>> questions answered shortly.  The reason for N connectors relates to demand
>> for higher mechanical robustness and the ability for the connectors to be
>> weather-proof as a stand alone connector (fully weatherproof gaskets and
>> the ability to accept larger diameter jumpers readily).  The N connectors
>> we use are rated to 18+ GHz."
>>
>> An active thread on the UBNT forums right now, more available here:
>> http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/Some-AF11X-details/td-p/1512145
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Bill Prince 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking at all the other AF-nnX radios from UBNT, and they all use
>>> SMA connectors. What reason would they have to use N instead of SMA? Seems
>>> the SMA connector would have fewer issues at 11 GHz.
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Eric Kuhnke]

So... It will have four N connectors and four short jumper cables to a rear
feed on a dish?  That will be quite a bit more complicated than a rear
wavguide/feed adapter which just has two polarity offset H and V pol N
connectors.

I still don't understand what makes ubnt think they're special and can't
put a radio with a cylindrical waveguide directly on the rear of a dish,
such as with a four-bolt REMEC mount.

Good to hear they are planning on direct DC wiring terminals. Who wants to
bet they successfully put direct -48VDC power capability on the radio (42
to 56VDC) but don't include an SFP cage?



On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Rob Genovesi 
wrote:

> From Gary-UBNT:
>
> "We are working on data sheets right now so hopefully you will get more
> questions answered shortly.  The reason for N connectors relates to demand
> for higher mechanical robustness and the ability for the connectors to be
> weather-proof as a stand alone connector (fully weatherproof gaskets and
> the ability to accept larger diameter jumpers readily).  The N connectors
> we use are rated to 18+ GHz."
>
> An active thread on the UBNT forums right now, more available here:
> http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/Some-AF11X-details/td-p/1512145
>
> -Rob
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> I'm looking at all the other AF-nnX radios from UBNT, and they all use
>> SMA connectors. What reason would they have to use N instead of SMA? Seems
>> the SMA connector would have fewer issues at 11 GHz.
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Rob Genovesi]

>From Gary-UBNT:

"We are working on data sheets right now so hopefully you will get more
questions answered shortly.  The reason for N connectors relates to demand
for higher mechanical robustness and the ability for the connectors to be
weather-proof as a stand alone connector (fully weatherproof gaskets and
the ability to accept larger diameter jumpers readily).  The N connectors
we use are rated to 18+ GHz."

An active thread on the UBNT forums right now, more available here:
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/Some-AF11X-details/td-p/1512145

-Rob


On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> I'm looking at all the other AF-nnX radios from UBNT, and they all use SMA
> connectors. What reason would they have to use N instead of SMA? Seems the
> SMA connector would have fewer issues at 11 GHz.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Mike Hammett]

It is entirely defensive. Earlier that week, Robert said to me they weren't 
going to make an AF in the licensed bands or in 60/80. Later that week, Mimosa 
announces the B11. Next show they announce the AF11x. Yup... 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 5:31:20 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N 




This product seems to me like a defensive product against Mimosa, also they had 
the spring WISPA show and needed something to announce other than the AF4x. Is 
it shipping yet, does it even have a firm ship date? There doesn’t even seem to 
be brochureware on the website yet. 

I assume that was you that asked the same question on the UBNT Forum. Their 
answer about working on an adapter for the Jirous dish and if they sent you a 
sample maybe you could check if it fits the Dragonwave dishes, that seems 
pretty naïve. Also seems to confirm this is playing defense against Mimosa. And 
they seem to be thinking “disruptive” pricing to drive high volumes, probably 
not thinking much about retrofits. 





From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 5:05 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N 

I know they like white, but why then make it a connectorized radio? 
That is one of the great things about the 5x, 4x, 3x + 2x, Bring-Your-Own(or 
old)-Dish. 
How many licensed links in use will need more bandwidth? 
We just happened to have Dragonwave, who sells the most licensed links? 
I would think a connectorized adapter for the most popular antennas may be 
worth selling. 



On 6/7/2016 4:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 





Ubiquiti doesn’t seem to like having an “ecosystem”. Maybe that’s an Apple 
thing that rubbed off on Robert. Along with an affinity for the color white. 





From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 3:59 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N 




The history suggests, anything I might make, that actually makes money, they 
eventually will incorporate in some fashion. 




From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:39 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N 

Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed dishes? This 
would help get the radios out to the masses faster. 
:-) 
Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz 


On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: 





Sure can. I would recommend SMA connectors though I think. 
What does the radio have on it? 




From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N 

So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've heard from 
a few places. 

Paging Chuck McCown- If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a batch? 
I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too. 


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: 





If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual polarity with 
it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds like Chuck will 
build. 



On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan < installe...@foxvalley.net > 
wrote: 



UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market. I imagine some 
operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the UBNT radio 
to gain more capacity. 
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew 
VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links. Is there an adapter that will convert 
these dishes to N connections? These dishes also allow us to rotate the radio 
to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates. 
Can they be run in dual polarity? Ideally, the adapter would have 2 N 
connections, one for H + V. Here is a photo of the Dragonwave interface. 

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Josh Reynolds]

College project from the guys who made the Moto and Cambium systems you're
probably using? :)
On Jun 8, 2016 4:26 PM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Based on what I've seen so far, the UBNT radios are coming with N
> connectors, which puzzles me greatly. Must have been some college project
> or something.
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 6/7/2016 1:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
> What does the radio have on it?
>
> *From:* Brian Sullivan <installe...@foxvalley.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
> So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've heard
> from a few places.
>
> Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a
> batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.
>
> On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual polarity
> with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds like
> Chuck will build.
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan <installe...@foxvalley.net>
> wrote:
>
>> UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine
>> some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the
>> UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
>> Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew
>> VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will
>> convert these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to
>> rotate the radio to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as
>> our license dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the
>> adapter would have 2 N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the
>> Dragonwave interface.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Bill Prince]

Based on what I've seen so far, the UBNT radios are coming with N 
connectors, which puzzles me greatly. Must have been some college 
project or something.



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 6/7/2016 1:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?
*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've 
heard from a few places.


Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up 
a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them 
too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it 
sounds like Chuck will build.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>> wrote:


UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11
GHz links to the UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the
Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an
adapter that will convert these dishes to N connections?  These
dishes also allow us to rotate the radio to take advantage of
Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates.  Can
they be run in dual polarity? Ideally, the adapter would have 2 N
connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave
interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Daniel White]

Tongyu.

 

I actually really like their antennas.  US educated Chinese guy runs their
parabolic antenna division.  Trango and SAF use them. and I'm sure many
vendors do in Asia.

 

Daniel White

Managing Director - Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 8:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

 

Cool.

 

Never heard of Tong Yu.  Sounds like fighting words.  Or a university.

 

 

From: Jaime Fink <mailto:ja...@mimosa.co>  

Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:35 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

 

Actually Ken, there's a few more options on the Mimosa side thanks to our
slip fit wave guide design on the B11:

 

Radiowaves now have Mimosa adapter mount due to popular demand. This is
ready now as I understand it from their channel. 

 

We're testing very soon a 3rd party adapter plate for the 2 main Commscope
series. 

 

Arc Wireless also has a direct Mimosa adapter now, should be with our
distributors quite soon. 

 

Lastly we have a number of customers that use Tong Yu who are also making an
adapter plate as well. 

 

Hope that helps. 

 

Jaime


On Jun 7, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Several radio manufacturers used to OEM the Remec ODUs, and there are Remec
circular and rectangular slip fit interfaces.  Dragonwave, Ceragon, SAF and
Exalt have their own, as I assume do several others I have no experience
with.  Then there's Jirous, which Mimosa has teamed up with.

 

Antenna vendors like Commscope and Radiowaves have models with feedtubes for
several of the common radio manufacturers.  The (now defunct?) McCownTech
Optics dishes had interchangeable feedtubes, including one for 5 GHz so you
could upgrade from unlicensed to licensed.

 

 

From: Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>  

Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:41 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

 

What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have
experience with the Dragonwave flavor.
I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.

On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly
though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.

What does the radio have on it?

 

From: Brian Sullivan
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','installe...@foxvalley.net');>  

Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM

To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

 

So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've heard
from a few places.

Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a
batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.

On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual polarity
with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds like
Chuck will build.

 

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan <installe...@foxvalley.net
<mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net> > wrote:

UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine some
operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the UBNT
radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew
VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will
convert these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate
the radio to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our
license dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter
would have 2 N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the
Dragonwave interface.
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Daniel White]

Part 101 radios are self-certify… the FCC just asks for a test lab report.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sullivan
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 7:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N



It certainly seems like a defensive maneuver.  Although we have been asking for 
since what, 2011? The radio isn't shipping yet and I believe they still have to 
certify with the FCC before they can put out a spec sheet.  One distributor I 
spoke to said August availability.
I did ask the same question on the forum, hoping to get somewhere with an 
adapter.  I think the UBNT employee that responded doesn't know all that much 
about it either and I agree, came off sounding a little strange.  Also strange 
he would tell us about Jirous, the first I have heard mention of it.
A pissing match between Mimosa and UBNT is good for WISPs.  :-)

On 6/7/2016 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

This product seems to me like a defensive product against Mimosa, also they had 
the spring WISPA show and needed something to announce other than the AF4x.  Is 
it shipping yet, does it even have a firm ship date?  There doesn’t even seem 
to be brochureware on the website yet.



I assume that was you that asked the same question on the UBNT Forum.  Their 
answer about working on an adapter for the Jirous dish and if they sent you a 
sample maybe you could check if it fits the Dragonwave dishes, that seems 
pretty naïve.  Also seems to confirm this is playing defense against Mimosa.  
And they seem to be thinking “disruptive” pricing to drive high volumes, 
probably not thinking much about retrofits.





From: Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>

Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 5:05 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N



I know they like white, but why then make it a connectorized radio?
That is one of the great things about the 5x, 4x, 3x + 2x, Bring-Your-Own(or 
old)-Dish.
How many licensed links in use will need more bandwidth?
We just happened to have Dragonwave, who sells the most licensed links?
I would think a connectorized adapter for the most popular antennas may be 
worth selling.



On 6/7/2016 4:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Ubiquiti doesn’t seem to like having an “ecosystem”.  Maybe that’s an Apple 
thing that rubbed off on Robert.  Along with an affinity for the color white.





From: Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>

Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 3:59 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N



The history suggests, anything I might make, that actually makes money, they 
eventually will incorporate in some fashion.



From: Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>

Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:39 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N



Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed dishes?   This 
would help get the radios out to the masses faster.
:-)
Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz

On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.

What does the radio have on it?



From: Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>

Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N



So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've heard from 
a few places.

Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a batch? 
 I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.

On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual polarity with 
it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds like Chuck will 
build.



On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan <installe...@foxvalley.net 
<mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net> > wrote:

UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine some 
operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the UBNT radio 
to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew 
VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will convert 
these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate the radio 
to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates. 
 Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have 2 N 
connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.













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Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Chuck McCown]

As you wish

From: Jaime Fink 
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 8:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

Why yes, we do need one Chuck ;)

On Jun 8, 2016, at 7:43 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:


  I think Mimosa needs a DragonWave adapter

  From: Jaime Fink 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:35 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  Actually Ken, there's a few more options on the Mimosa side thanks to our 
slip fit wave guide design on the B11:

  Radiowaves now have Mimosa adapter mount due to popular demand. This is ready 
now as I understand it from their channel. 

  We're testing very soon a 3rd party adapter plate for the 2 main Commscope 
series. 

  Arc Wireless also has a direct Mimosa adapter now, should be with our 
distributors quite soon. 

  Lastly we have a number of customers that use Tong Yu who are also making an 
adapter plate as well. 

  Hope that helps. 

  Jaime

  On Jun 7, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:


Several radio manufacturers used to OEM the Remec ODUs, and there are Remec 
circular and rectangular slip fit interfaces.  Dragonwave, Ceragon, SAF and 
Exalt have their own, as I assume do several others I have no experience with.  
Then there’s Jirous, which Mimosa has teamed up with.

Antenna vendors like Commscope and Radiowaves have models with feedtubes 
for several of the common radio manufacturers.  The (now defunct?) McCownTech 
Optics dishes had interchangeable feedtubes, including one for 5 GHz so you 
could upgrade from unlicensed to licensed.


From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have 
experience with the Dragonwave flavor.
I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.


On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

  It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly 
though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.

  On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?

From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've 
heard from a few places.

Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up 
a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

  If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds 
like Chuck will build.


  On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:

UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I 
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the 
UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the 
Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will 
convert these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate 
the radio to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license 
dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have 2 
N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Jaime Fink]

Why yes, we do need one Chuck ;)

On Jun 8, 2016, at 7:43 AM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I think Mimosa needs a DragonWave adapter

From: Jaime Fink<mailto:ja...@mimosa.co>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

Actually Ken, there's a few more options on the Mimosa side thanks to our slip 
fit wave guide design on the B11:

Radiowaves now have Mimosa adapter mount due to popular demand. This is ready 
now as I understand it from their channel.

We're testing very soon a 3rd party adapter plate for the 2 main Commscope 
series.

Arc Wireless also has a direct Mimosa adapter now, should be with our 
distributors quite soon.

Lastly we have a number of customers that use Tong Yu who are also making an 
adapter plate as well.

Hope that helps.

Jaime

On Jun 7, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Several radio manufacturers used to OEM the Remec ODUs, and there are Remec 
circular and rectangular slip fit interfaces.  Dragonwave, Ceragon, SAF and 
Exalt have their own, as I assume do several others I have no experience with.  
Then there’s Jirous, which Mimosa has teamed up with.

Antenna vendors like Commscope and Radiowaves have models with feedtubes for 
several of the common radio manufacturers.  The (now defunct?) McCownTech 
Optics dishes had interchangeable feedtubes, including one for 5 GHz so you 
could upgrade from unlicensed to licensed.


From: Brian Sullivan<mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have 
experience with the Dragonwave flavor.
I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.

On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly though, 
as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?

From: Brian Sullivan<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','installe...@foxvalley.net');>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've heard from 
a few places.

Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a batch? 
 I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.

On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual polarity with 
it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds like Chuck will 
build.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net<mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>> wrote:
UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine some 
operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the UBNT radio 
to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew 
VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will convert 
these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate the radio 
to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates. 
 Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have 2 N 
connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.
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Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Chuck McCown]

I think Mimosa needs a DragonWave adapter

From: Jaime Fink 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

Actually Ken, there's a few more options on the Mimosa side thanks to our slip 
fit wave guide design on the B11:

Radiowaves now have Mimosa adapter mount due to popular demand. This is ready 
now as I understand it from their channel. 

We're testing very soon a 3rd party adapter plate for the 2 main Commscope 
series. 

Arc Wireless also has a direct Mimosa adapter now, should be with our 
distributors quite soon. 

Lastly we have a number of customers that use Tong Yu who are also making an 
adapter plate as well. 

Hope that helps. 

Jaime

On Jun 7, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:


  Several radio manufacturers used to OEM the Remec ODUs, and there are Remec 
circular and rectangular slip fit interfaces.  Dragonwave, Ceragon, SAF and 
Exalt have their own, as I assume do several others I have no experience with.  
Then there’s Jirous, which Mimosa has teamed up with.

  Antenna vendors like Commscope and Radiowaves have models with feedtubes for 
several of the common radio manufacturers.  The (now defunct?) McCownTech 
Optics dishes had interchangeable feedtubes, including one for 5 GHz so you 
could upgrade from unlicensed to licensed.


  From: Brian Sullivan 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:41 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have 
experience with the Dragonwave flavor.
  I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.


  On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly 
though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
  What does the radio have on it?

  From: Brian Sullivan 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've 
heard from a few places.

  Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a 
batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.


  On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds 
like Chuck will build.


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:

  UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I 
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the 
UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
  Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the 
Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will 
convert these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate 
the radio to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license 
dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have 2 
N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Chuck McCown]

All things are possible when it comes to waveguide...
(I am already working on one for one of the other companies).  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 7:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly though, 
as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
  What does the radio have on it?

  From: Brian Sullivan 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've heard 
from a few places.

  Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a 
batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.


  On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual polarity 
with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds like Chuck 
will build.


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','installe...@foxvalley.net');> wrote:

  UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine 
some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the UBNT 
radio to gain more capacity.
  Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew 
VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will convert 
these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate the radio 
to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates. 
 Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have 2 N 
connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Eric Kuhnke]

Which is why Ku band satellite stuff for two way VSAT terminals/earth
stations has been direct from feed to waveguide for a while now... You need
high quality low loss cable and special N connectors for 11 GHz.


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 9:28 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> Interesting that if I try to use the Times Microwave calculator for LMR
> cables at 11 GHz, it gives an error that the cable is not suitable for that
> frequency.  Apparently they consider the max to be 6 GHz.
>
>
> *From:* George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 10:07 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
> The coaxial on an 11GHz radio makes no sense to me. Everybody else
> (mostly?) is waveguide. Different is not always good, even if it's cheaper.
> "Because what f'n antenna am I supposed to use!?" says the entire list.
>
> They might have been better off with a proprietary slip-fit antenna and/or
> interface. Or perhaps two models like the Integra & Integra-S.
>
> On 6/7/2016 8:57 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Several radio manufacturers used to OEM the Remec ODUs, and there are
> Remec circular and rectangular slip fit interfaces.  Dragonwave, Ceragon,
> SAF and Exalt have their own, as I assume do several others I have no
> experience with.  Then there’s Jirous, which Mimosa has teamed up with.
>
> Antenna vendors like Commscope and Radiowaves have models with feedtubes
> for several of the common radio manufacturers.  The (now defunct?)
> McCownTech Optics dishes had interchangeable feedtubes, including one for 5
> GHz so you could upgrade from unlicensed to licensed.
>
>
> *From:* Brian Sullivan <installe...@foxvalley.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:41 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
> What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have
> experience with the Dragonwave flavor.
> I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.
>
> On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly
> though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown < <ch...@wbmfg.com>ch...@wbmfg.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
>> What does the radio have on it?
>>
>> *From:* Brian Sullivan
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>
>> So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've
>> heard from a few places.
>>
>> Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a
>> batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.
>>
>> On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>>
>> If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual
>> polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds
>> like Chuck will build.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan <installe...@foxvalley.net
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine
>>> some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the
>>> UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
>>> Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew
>>> VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will
>>> convert these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to
>>> rotate the radio to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as
>>> our license dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the
>>> adapter would have 2 N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the
>>> Dragonwave interface.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Ken Hohhof]

Interesting that if I try to use the Times Microwave calculator for LMR cables 
at 11 GHz, it gives an error that the cable is not suitable for that frequency. 
 Apparently they consider the max to be 6 GHz.


From: George Skorup 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 10:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

The coaxial on an 11GHz radio makes no sense to me. Everybody else (mostly?) is 
waveguide. Different is not always good, even if it's cheaper. "Because what 
f'n antenna am I supposed to use!?" says the entire list.

They might have been better off with a proprietary slip-fit antenna and/or 
interface. Or perhaps two models like the Integra & Integra-S.


On 6/7/2016 8:57 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Several radio manufacturers used to OEM the Remec ODUs, and there are Remec 
circular and rectangular slip fit interfaces.  Dragonwave, Ceragon, SAF and 
Exalt have their own, as I assume do several others I have no experience with.  
Then there’s Jirous, which Mimosa has teamed up with.

  Antenna vendors like Commscope and Radiowaves have models with feedtubes for 
several of the common radio manufacturers.  The (now defunct?) McCownTech 
Optics dishes had interchangeable feedtubes, including one for 5 GHz so you 
could upgrade from unlicensed to licensed.


  From: Brian Sullivan 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:41 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have 
experience with the Dragonwave flavor.
  I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.


  On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly 
though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
  What does the radio have on it?

  From: Brian Sullivan 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've 
heard from a few places.

  Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a 
batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.


  On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds 
like Chuck will build.


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:

  UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I 
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the 
UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
  Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the 
Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will 
convert these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate 
the radio to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license 
dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have 2 
N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[George Skorup]

The coaxial on an 11GHz radio makes no sense to me. Everybody else 
(mostly?) is waveguide. Different is not always good, even if it's 
cheaper. "Because what f'n antenna am I supposed to use!?" says the 
entire list.


They might have been better off with a proprietary slip-fit antenna 
and/or interface. Or perhaps two models like the Integra & Integra-S.


On 6/7/2016 8:57 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Several radio manufacturers used to OEM the Remec ODUs, and there are 
Remec circular and rectangular slip fit interfaces.  Dragonwave, 
Ceragon, SAF and Exalt have their own, as I assume do several others I 
have no experience with.  Then there’s Jirous, which Mimosa has teamed 
up with.
Antenna vendors like Commscope and Radiowaves have models with 
feedtubes for several of the common radio manufacturers.  The (now 
defunct?) McCownTech Optics dishes had interchangeable feedtubes, 
including one for 5 GHz so you could upgrade from unlicensed to licensed.

*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:41 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have 
experience with the Dragonwave flavor.

I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.

On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more 
directly though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.


On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?
*From:* Brian Sullivan
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','installe...@foxvalley.net');>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
*To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets
i've heard from a few places.

Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you
make up a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up
wanting them too.

On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use
dual polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter,
which it sounds like Chuck will build.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan
<installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:

UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market. 
I imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade

existing 11 GHz links to the UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use
the Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there
an adapter that will convert these dishes to N connections? 
These dishes also allow us to rotate the radio to take

advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our
license dictates. Can they be run in dual polarity? Ideally,
the adapter would have 2 N connections, one for H + V.  Here
is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Eric Kuhnke]

Butte Pirates:

https://www.prepsportswear.com/school/us/Idaho/Arco/Butte-County-High-School-Pirates/ProductList.aspx?schoolid=11608=305

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 7:54 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Tong has several meanings and is a surname depending on regionwe made
> some T Shirts when I worked for the Tornillo school  district..we wore them
> a couple of times but some folks got upset..." Tornillo U" 
> On Jun 7, 2016 8:46 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> A tong is a long fork, right?  So Fork Yu?
>>
>> Or a Chinese criminal gang?
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:43 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>
>>
>> Like this? " Tong Yu ese Holmes..."
>> On Jun 7, 2016 8:40 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cool.
>>>
>>> Never heard of Tong Yu.  Sounds like fighting words.  Or a university.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Fink <ja...@mimosa.co>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:35 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>>
>>> Actually Ken, there's a few more options on the Mimosa side thanks to
>>> our slip fit wave guide design on the B11:
>>>
>>> Radiowaves now have Mimosa adapter mount due to popular demand. This is
>>> ready now as I understand it from their channel.
>>>
>>> We're testing very soon a 3rd party adapter plate for the 2 main
>>> Commscope series.
>>>
>>> Arc Wireless also has a direct Mimosa adapter now, should be with our
>>> distributors quite soon.
>>>
>>> Lastly we have a number of customers that use Tong Yu who are also
>>> making an adapter plate as well.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> Jaime
>>>
>>> On Jun 7, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Several radio manufacturers used to OEM the Remec ODUs, and there are
>>> Remec circular and rectangular slip fit interfaces.  Dragonwave, Ceragon,
>>> SAF and Exalt have their own, as I assume do several others I have no
>>> experience with.  Then there’s Jirous, which Mimosa has teamed up with.
>>>
>>> Antenna vendors like Commscope and Radiowaves have models with feedtubes
>>> for several of the common radio manufacturers.  The (now defunct?)
>>> McCownTech Optics dishes had interchangeable feedtubes, including one for 5
>>> GHz so you could upgrade from unlicensed to licensed.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Brian Sullivan <installe...@foxvalley.net>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:41 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>>
>>> What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have
>>> experience with the Dragonwave flavor.
>>> I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.
>>>
>>> On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
>>> It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly
>>> though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
>>>> What does the radio have on it?
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Brian Sullivan
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
>>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>>>
>>>> So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've
>>>> heard from a few places.
>>>>
>>>> Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up
>>>> a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual
>>>> polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds
>>>> like Chuck will build.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan <
>>>> installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine
>>>>> some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the
>>>>> UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
>>>>> Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the
>>>>> Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that
>>>>> will convert these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to
>>>>> rotate the radio to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as
>>>>> our license dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the
>>>>> adapter would have 2 N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the
>>>>> Dragonwave interface.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Jaime Solorza]

Tong has several meanings and is a surname depending on regionwe made
some T Shirts when I worked for the Tornillo school  district..we wore them
a couple of times but some folks got upset..." Tornillo U" 
On Jun 7, 2016 8:46 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> A tong is a long fork, right?  So Fork Yu?
>
> Or a Chinese criminal gang?
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:43 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
>
> Like this? " Tong Yu ese Holmes..."
> On Jun 7, 2016 8:40 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> Cool.
>>
>> Never heard of Tong Yu.  Sounds like fighting words.  Or a university.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Fink <ja...@mimosa.co>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:35 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>
>> Actually Ken, there's a few more options on the Mimosa side thanks to our
>> slip fit wave guide design on the B11:
>>
>> Radiowaves now have Mimosa adapter mount due to popular demand. This is
>> ready now as I understand it from their channel.
>>
>> We're testing very soon a 3rd party adapter plate for the 2 main
>> Commscope series.
>>
>> Arc Wireless also has a direct Mimosa adapter now, should be with our
>> distributors quite soon.
>>
>> Lastly we have a number of customers that use Tong Yu who are also making
>> an adapter plate as well.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> Jaime
>>
>> On Jun 7, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> Several radio manufacturers used to OEM the Remec ODUs, and there are
>> Remec circular and rectangular slip fit interfaces.  Dragonwave, Ceragon,
>> SAF and Exalt have their own, as I assume do several others I have no
>> experience with.  Then there’s Jirous, which Mimosa has teamed up with.
>>
>> Antenna vendors like Commscope and Radiowaves have models with feedtubes
>> for several of the common radio manufacturers.  The (now defunct?)
>> McCownTech Optics dishes had interchangeable feedtubes, including one for 5
>> GHz so you could upgrade from unlicensed to licensed.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Brian Sullivan <installe...@foxvalley.net>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:41 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>
>> What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have
>> experience with the Dragonwave flavor.
>> I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.
>>
>> On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly
>> though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
>>> What does the radio have on it?
>>>
>>> *From:* Brian Sullivan
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>>
>>> So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've
>>> heard from a few places.
>>>
>>> Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a
>>> batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.
>>>
>>> On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>>>
>>> If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual
>>> polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds
>>> like Chuck will build.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan <
>>> installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine
>>>> some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the
>>>> UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
>>>> Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew
>>>> VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will
>>>> convert these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to
>>>> rotate the radio to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as
>>>> our license dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the
>>>> adapter would have 2 N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the
>>>> Dragonwave interface.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Ken Hohhof]

A tong is a long fork, right?  So Fork Yu?

Or a Chinese criminal gang?


From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:43 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

Like this? " Tong Yu ese Holmes..." 

On Jun 7, 2016 8:40 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

  Cool.

  Never heard of Tong Yu.  Sounds like fighting words.  Or a university.


  From: Jaime Fink 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:35 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  Actually Ken, there's a few more options on the Mimosa side thanks to our 
slip fit wave guide design on the B11:

  Radiowaves now have Mimosa adapter mount due to popular demand. This is ready 
now as I understand it from their channel. 

  We're testing very soon a 3rd party adapter plate for the 2 main Commscope 
series. 

  Arc Wireless also has a direct Mimosa adapter now, should be with our 
distributors quite soon. 

  Lastly we have a number of customers that use Tong Yu who are also making an 
adapter plate as well. 

  Hope that helps. 

  Jaime

  On Jun 7, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:


Several radio manufacturers used to OEM the Remec ODUs, and there are Remec 
circular and rectangular slip fit interfaces.  Dragonwave, Ceragon, SAF and 
Exalt have their own, as I assume do several others I have no experience with.  
Then there’s Jirous, which Mimosa has teamed up with.

Antenna vendors like Commscope and Radiowaves have models with feedtubes 
for several of the common radio manufacturers.  The (now defunct?) McCownTech 
Optics dishes had interchangeable feedtubes, including one for 5 GHz so you 
could upgrade from unlicensed to licensed.


From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have 
experience with the Dragonwave flavor.
I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.


On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

  It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly 
though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.

  On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?

From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've 
heard from a few places.

Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up 
a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

  If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds 
like Chuck will build.


  On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:

UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I 
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the 
UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the 
Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will 
convert these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate 
the radio to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license 
dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have 2 
N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Jaime Solorza]

Like this? " Tong Yu ese Holmes..."
On Jun 7, 2016 8:40 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> Cool.
>
> Never heard of Tong Yu.  Sounds like fighting words.  Or a university.
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Fink <ja...@mimosa.co>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:35 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
> Actually Ken, there's a few more options on the Mimosa side thanks to our
> slip fit wave guide design on the B11:
>
> Radiowaves now have Mimosa adapter mount due to popular demand. This is
> ready now as I understand it from their channel.
>
> We're testing very soon a 3rd party adapter plate for the 2 main Commscope
> series.
>
> Arc Wireless also has a direct Mimosa adapter now, should be with our
> distributors quite soon.
>
> Lastly we have a number of customers that use Tong Yu who are also making
> an adapter plate as well.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Jaime
>
> On Jun 7, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> Several radio manufacturers used to OEM the Remec ODUs, and there are
> Remec circular and rectangular slip fit interfaces.  Dragonwave, Ceragon,
> SAF and Exalt have their own, as I assume do several others I have no
> experience with.  Then there’s Jirous, which Mimosa has teamed up with.
>
> Antenna vendors like Commscope and Radiowaves have models with feedtubes
> for several of the common radio manufacturers.  The (now defunct?)
> McCownTech Optics dishes had interchangeable feedtubes, including one for 5
> GHz so you could upgrade from unlicensed to licensed.
>
>
> *From:* Brian Sullivan <installe...@foxvalley.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:41 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
> What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have
> experience with the Dragonwave flavor.
> I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.
>
> On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly
> though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
>> What does the radio have on it?
>>
>> *From:* Brian Sullivan
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>
>> So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've
>> heard from a few places.
>>
>> Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a
>> batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.
>>
>> On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>>
>> If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual
>> polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds
>> like Chuck will build.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan <installe...@foxvalley.net
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine
>>> some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the
>>> UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
>>> Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew
>>> VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will
>>> convert these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to
>>> rotate the radio to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as
>>> our license dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the
>>> adapter would have 2 N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the
>>> Dragonwave interface.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Ken Hohhof]

Cool.

Never heard of Tong Yu.  Sounds like fighting words.  Or a university.


From: Jaime Fink 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

Actually Ken, there's a few more options on the Mimosa side thanks to our slip 
fit wave guide design on the B11:

Radiowaves now have Mimosa adapter mount due to popular demand. This is ready 
now as I understand it from their channel. 

We're testing very soon a 3rd party adapter plate for the 2 main Commscope 
series. 

Arc Wireless also has a direct Mimosa adapter now, should be with our 
distributors quite soon. 

Lastly we have a number of customers that use Tong Yu who are also making an 
adapter plate as well. 

Hope that helps. 

Jaime

On Jun 7, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:


  Several radio manufacturers used to OEM the Remec ODUs, and there are Remec 
circular and rectangular slip fit interfaces.  Dragonwave, Ceragon, SAF and 
Exalt have their own, as I assume do several others I have no experience with.  
Then there’s Jirous, which Mimosa has teamed up with.

  Antenna vendors like Commscope and Radiowaves have models with feedtubes for 
several of the common radio manufacturers.  The (now defunct?) McCownTech 
Optics dishes had interchangeable feedtubes, including one for 5 GHz so you 
could upgrade from unlicensed to licensed.


  From: Brian Sullivan 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:41 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have 
experience with the Dragonwave flavor.
  I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.


  On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly 
though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
  What does the radio have on it?

  From: Brian Sullivan 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've 
heard from a few places.

  Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a 
batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.


  On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds 
like Chuck will build.


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:

  UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I 
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the 
UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
  Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the 
Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will 
convert these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate 
the radio to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license 
dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have 2 
N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Jaime Fink]

Actually Ken, there's a few more options on the Mimosa side thanks to our slip 
fit wave guide design on the B11:

Radiowaves now have Mimosa adapter mount due to popular demand. This is ready 
now as I understand it from their channel.

We're testing very soon a 3rd party adapter plate for the 2 main Commscope 
series.

Arc Wireless also has a direct Mimosa adapter now, should be with our 
distributors quite soon.

Lastly we have a number of customers that use Tong Yu who are also making an 
adapter plate as well.

Hope that helps.

Jaime

On Jun 7, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Several radio manufacturers used to OEM the Remec ODUs, and there are Remec 
circular and rectangular slip fit interfaces.  Dragonwave, Ceragon, SAF and 
Exalt have their own, as I assume do several others I have no experience with.  
Then there’s Jirous, which Mimosa has teamed up with.

Antenna vendors like Commscope and Radiowaves have models with feedtubes for 
several of the common radio manufacturers.  The (now defunct?) McCownTech 
Optics dishes had interchangeable feedtubes, including one for 5 GHz so you 
could upgrade from unlicensed to licensed.


From: Brian Sullivan<mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have 
experience with the Dragonwave flavor.
I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.

On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly though, 
as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown 
<<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?

From: Brian Sullivan<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','installe...@foxvalley.net');>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've heard from 
a few places.

Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a batch? 
 I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.

On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual polarity with 
it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds like Chuck will 
build.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','installe...@foxvalley.net');>installe...@foxvalley.net<mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>>
 wrote:
UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine some 
operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the UBNT radio 
to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew 
VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will convert 
these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate the radio 
to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates. 
 Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have 2 N 
connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.
[cid:]

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Ken Hohhof]

Several radio manufacturers used to OEM the Remec ODUs, and there are Remec 
circular and rectangular slip fit interfaces.  Dragonwave, Ceragon, SAF and 
Exalt have their own, as I assume do several others I have no experience with.  
Then there’s Jirous, which Mimosa has teamed up with.

Antenna vendors like Commscope and Radiowaves have models with feedtubes for 
several of the common radio manufacturers.  The (now defunct?) McCownTech 
Optics dishes had interchangeable feedtubes, including one for 5 GHz so you 
could upgrade from unlicensed to licensed.


From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have 
experience with the Dragonwave flavor.
I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.


On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

  It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly 
though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.

  On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?

From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've heard 
from a few places.

Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a 
batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

  If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds 
like Chuck will build.


  On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:

UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine 
some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the UBNT 
radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew 
VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will convert 
these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate the radio 
to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates. 
 Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have 2 N 
connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Brian Sullivan]

What are the other attachment setups for licensed radios?  I only have 
experience with the Dragonwave flavor.

I have heard mention of an adapter to convert DWave to Cambium 820.

On 6/7/2016 8:18 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly 
though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.


On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?
*From:* Brian Sullivan
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','installe...@foxvalley.net');>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets
i've heard from a few places.

Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you
make up a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up
wanting them too.

On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which
it sounds like Chuck will build.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan
<installe...@foxvalley.net
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','installe...@foxvalley.net');>> wrote:

UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market. 
I imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing

11 GHz links to the UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use
the Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there
an adapter that will convert these dishes to N connections? 
These dishes also allow us to rotate the radio to take

advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license
dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the
adapter would have 2 N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a
photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Jason McKemie]

It would be nice to have one that fit Andrew / Commscope more directly
though, as opposed to the dragonwave adapter.

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
> What does the radio have on it?
>
> *From:* Brian Sullivan
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','installe...@foxvalley.net');>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
> So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've heard
> from a few places.
>
> Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a
> batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.
>
> On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual polarity
> with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds like
> Chuck will build.
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan <installe...@foxvalley.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','installe...@foxvalley.net');>> wrote:
>
>> UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine
>> some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the
>> UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
>> Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew
>> VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will
>> convert these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to
>> rotate the radio to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as
>> our license dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the
>> adapter would have 2 N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the
>> Dragonwave interface.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Brian Sullivan]

If you are right, it sounds like McCownTech to the rescue!

On 6/7/2016 6:15 PM, George Skorup wrote:
They could just spin a new/another hardware revision that will fit 
right onto a Remec circular interface... that we already have a bunch 
of in the field. My guess is, that's not going to happen.


On 6/7/2016 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
This product seems to me like a defensive product against Mimosa, 
also they had the spring WISPA show and needed something to announce 
other than the AF4x.  Is it shipping yet, does it even have a firm 
ship date?  There doesn’t even seem to be brochureware on the website 
yet.
I assume that was you that asked the same question on the UBNT 
Forum.  Their answer about working on an adapter for the Jirous dish 
and if they sent you a sample maybe you could check if it fits the 
Dragonwave dishes, that seems pretty naïve.  Also seems to confirm 
this is playing defense against Mimosa.  And they seem to be thinking 
“disruptive” pricing to drive high volumes, probably not thinking 
much about retrofits.

*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 5:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
I know they like white, but why then make it a connectorized radio?
That is one of the great things about the 5x, 4x, 3x + 2x, 
Bring-Your-Own(or old)-Dish.

How many licensed links in use will need more bandwidth?
We just happened to have Dragonwave, who sells the most licensed links?
I would think a connectorized adapter for the most popular antennas 
may be worth selling.



On 6/7/2016 4:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ubiquiti doesn’t seem to like having an “ecosystem”.  Maybe that’s 
an Apple thing that rubbed off on Robert.  Along with an affinity 
for the color white.

*From:* Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
The history suggests, anything I might make, that actually makes 
money, they eventually will incorporate in some fashion.

*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:39 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed 
dishes?   This would help get the radios out to the masses faster.

:-)
Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz

On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?
*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets 
i've heard from a few places.


Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make 
up a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up 
wanting them too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which 
it sounds like Chuck will build.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:


UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market. I
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11
GHz links to the UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use
the Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an
adapter that will convert these dishes to N connections? 
These dishes also allow us to rotate the radio to take

advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license
dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the
adapter would have 2 N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a
photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Brian Sullivan]

It certainly seems like a defensive maneuver.  Although we have been 
asking for since what, 2011? The radio isn't shipping yet and I believe 
they still have to certify with the FCC before they can put out a spec 
sheet.  One distributor I spoke to said August availability.
I did ask the same question on the forum, hoping to get somewhere with 
an adapter.  I think the UBNT employee that responded doesn't know all 
that much about it either and I agree, came off sounding a little 
strange.  Also strange he would tell us about Jirous, the first I have 
heard mention of it.

A pissing match between Mimosa and UBNT is good for WISPs.  :-)

On 6/7/2016 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
This product seems to me like a defensive product against Mimosa, also 
they had the spring WISPA show and needed something to announce other 
than the AF4x.  Is it shipping yet, does it even have a firm ship 
date?  There doesn’t even seem to be brochureware on the website yet.
I assume that was you that asked the same question on the UBNT Forum.  
Their answer about working on an adapter for the Jirous dish and if 
they sent you a sample maybe you could check if it fits the Dragonwave 
dishes, that seems pretty naïve.  Also seems to confirm this is 
playing defense against Mimosa.  And they seem to be thinking 
“disruptive” pricing to drive high volumes, probably not thinking much 
about retrofits.

*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 5:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
I know they like white, but why then make it a connectorized radio?
That is one of the great things about the 5x, 4x, 3x + 2x, 
Bring-Your-Own(or old)-Dish.

How many licensed links in use will need more bandwidth?
We just happened to have Dragonwave, who sells the most licensed links?
I would think a connectorized adapter for the most popular antennas 
may be worth selling.



On 6/7/2016 4:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ubiquiti doesn’t seem to like having an “ecosystem”.  Maybe that’s an 
Apple thing that rubbed off on Robert.  Along with an affinity for 
the color white.

*From:* Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
The history suggests, anything I might make, that actually makes 
money, they eventually will incorporate in some fashion.

*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:39 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed 
dishes?   This would help get the radios out to the masses faster.

:-)
Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz

On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?
*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've 
heard from a few places.


Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make 
up a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting 
them too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which 
it sounds like Chuck will build.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:


UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11
GHz links to the UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use
the Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an
adapter that will convert these dishes to N connections?  These
dishes also allow us to rotate the radio to take advantage of
Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates.  Can
they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have
2 N connections, one for H + V. Here is a photo of the
Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[George Skorup]

They could just spin a new/another hardware revision that will fit right 
onto a Remec circular interface... that we already have a bunch of in 
the field. My guess is, that's not going to happen.


On 6/7/2016 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
This product seems to me like a defensive product against Mimosa, also 
they had the spring WISPA show and needed something to announce other 
than the AF4x.  Is it shipping yet, does it even have a firm ship 
date?  There doesn’t even seem to be brochureware on the website yet.
I assume that was you that asked the same question on the UBNT Forum.  
Their answer about working on an adapter for the Jirous dish and if 
they sent you a sample maybe you could check if it fits the Dragonwave 
dishes, that seems pretty naïve.  Also seems to confirm this is 
playing defense against Mimosa.  And they seem to be thinking 
“disruptive” pricing to drive high volumes, probably not thinking much 
about retrofits.

*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 5:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
I know they like white, but why then make it a connectorized radio?
That is one of the great things about the 5x, 4x, 3x + 2x, 
Bring-Your-Own(or old)-Dish.

How many licensed links in use will need more bandwidth?
We just happened to have Dragonwave, who sells the most licensed links?
I would think a connectorized adapter for the most popular antennas 
may be worth selling.



On 6/7/2016 4:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ubiquiti doesn’t seem to like having an “ecosystem”.  Maybe that’s an 
Apple thing that rubbed off on Robert.  Along with an affinity for 
the color white.

*From:* Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
The history suggests, anything I might make, that actually makes 
money, they eventually will incorporate in some fashion.

*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:39 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed 
dishes?   This would help get the radios out to the masses faster.

:-)
Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz

On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?
*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've 
heard from a few places.


Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make 
up a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting 
them too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which 
it sounds like Chuck will build.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:


UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11
GHz links to the UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use
the Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an
adapter that will convert these dishes to N connections?  These
dishes also allow us to rotate the radio to take advantage of
Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates.  Can
they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have
2 N connections, one for H + V. Here is a photo of the
Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Ken Hohhof]

This product seems to me like a defensive product against Mimosa, also they had 
the spring WISPA show and needed something to announce other than the AF4x.  Is 
it shipping yet, does it even have a firm ship date?  There doesn’t even seem 
to be brochureware on the website yet.

I assume that was you that asked the same question on the UBNT Forum.  Their 
answer about working on an adapter for the Jirous dish and if they sent you a 
sample maybe you could check if it fits the Dragonwave dishes, that seems 
pretty naïve.  Also seems to confirm this is playing defense against Mimosa.  
And they seem to be thinking “disruptive” pricing to drive high volumes, 
probably not thinking much about retrofits.


From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 5:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

I know they like white, but why then make it a connectorized radio?  
That is one of the great things about the 5x, 4x, 3x + 2x, Bring-Your-Own(or 
old)-Dish.
How many licensed links in use will need more bandwidth?
We just happened to have Dragonwave, who sells the most licensed links?
I would think a connectorized adapter for the most popular antennas may be 
worth selling.  



On 6/7/2016 4:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Ubiquiti doesn’t seem to like having an “ecosystem”.  Maybe that’s an Apple 
thing that rubbed off on Robert.  Along with an affinity for the color white.


  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 3:59 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  The history suggests, anything I might make, that actually makes money, they 
eventually will incorporate in some fashion.  

  From: Brian Sullivan 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:39 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed dishes?   
This would help get the radios out to the masses faster.
  :-)  
  Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz


  On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?

From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've heard 
from a few places.

Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a 
batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

  If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds 
like Chuck will build.


  On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:

UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine 
some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the UBNT 
radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew 
VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will convert 
these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate the radio 
to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates. 
 Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have 2 N 
connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Josh Reynolds]

The "RF Armor" guy is the same guy who makes Netonix switches as well.
Chris Sisler. Good guy.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ubnt is not always very fast with copying stuff though, it only took them
> 3.5 years from the time the RF Armor guy started shipping shrouds/radomes
> for nanobridge & rocketdish until they time they created the "ISOBeam"
> shielded/shrouded dishes.
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> The history suggests, anything I might make, that actually makes money,
>> they eventually will incorporate in some fashion.
>>
>> From: Brian Sullivan
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:39 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>
>> Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed dishes?
>> This would help get the radios out to the masses faster.
>> :-)
>> Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz
>>
>> On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
>> What does the radio have on it?
>>
>> From: Brian Sullivan
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>>
>> So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've heard
>> from a few places.
>>
>> Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a
>> batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.
>>
>> On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>>
>> If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual polarity
>> with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds like
>> Chuck will build.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan <installe...@foxvalley.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine
>>> some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the UBNT
>>> radio to gain more capacity.
>>> Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew
>>> VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will
>>> convert these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate
>>> the radio to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our
>>> license dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter
>>> would have 2 N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the
>>> Dragonwave interface.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Brian Sullivan]

I know they like white, but why then make it a connectorized radio?
That is one of the great things about the 5x, 4x, 3x + 2x, 
Bring-Your-Own(or old)-Dish.

How many licensed links in use will need more bandwidth?
We just happened to have Dragonwave, who sells the most licensed links?
I would think a connectorized adapter for the most popular antennas may 
be worth selling.



On 6/7/2016 4:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ubiquiti doesn’t seem to like having an “ecosystem”. Maybe that’s an 
Apple thing that rubbed off on Robert. Along with an affinity for the 
color white.

*From:* Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
The history suggests, anything I might make, that actually makes 
money, they eventually will incorporate in some fashion.

*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:39 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed 
dishes?   This would help get the radios out to the masses faster.

:-)
Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz

On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?
*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've 
heard from a few places.


Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make 
up a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting 
them too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it 
sounds like Chuck will build.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:


UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11
GHz links to the UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the
Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an
adapter that will convert these dishes to N connections?  These
dishes also allow us to rotate the radio to take advantage of
Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates. Can
they be run in dual polarity? Ideally, the adapter would have 2
N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave
interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Eric Kuhnke]

ubnt is not always very fast with copying stuff though, it only took them
3.5 years from the time the RF Armor guy started shipping shrouds/radomes
for nanobridge & rocketdish until they time they created the "ISOBeam"
shielded/shrouded dishes.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> The history suggests, anything I might make, that actually makes money,
> they eventually will incorporate in some fashion.
>
> *From:* Brian Sullivan <installe...@foxvalley.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:39 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
> Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed dishes?
> This would help get the radios out to the masses faster.
> :-)
> Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz
>
> On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
> What does the radio have on it?
>
> *From:* Brian Sullivan <installe...@foxvalley.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
>
> So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've heard
> from a few places.
>
> Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a
> batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.
>
> On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual polarity
> with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds like
> Chuck will build.
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan <
> <installe...@foxvalley.net>installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:
>
>> UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine
>> some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the
>> UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
>> Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew
>> VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will
>> convert these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to
>> rotate the radio to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as
>> our license dictates.  Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the
>> adapter would have 2 N connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the
>> Dragonwave interface.
>>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Ken Hohhof]

Ubiquiti doesn’t seem to like having an “ecosystem”.  Maybe that’s an Apple 
thing that rubbed off on Robert.  Along with an affinity for the color white.


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

The history suggests, anything I might make, that actually makes money, they 
eventually will incorporate in some fashion.  

From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed dishes?   This 
would help get the radios out to the masses faster.
:-)  
Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz


On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
  What does the radio have on it?

  From: Brian Sullivan 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've heard 
from a few places.

  Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a 
batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.


  On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual polarity 
with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds like Chuck 
will build.


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan <installe...@foxvalley.net> 
wrote:

  UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine 
some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the UBNT 
radio to gain more capacity.
  Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew 
VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will convert 
these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate the radio 
to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates. 
 Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have 2 N 
connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Chuck McCown]

The history suggests, anything I might make, that actually makes money, they 
eventually will incorporate in some fashion.  

From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed dishes?   This 
would help get the radios out to the masses faster.
:-)  
Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz


On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
  What does the radio have on it?

  From: Brian Sullivan 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've heard 
from a few places.

  Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a 
batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.


  On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual polarity 
with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds like Chuck 
will build.


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan <installe...@foxvalley.net> 
wrote:

  UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine 
some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the UBNT 
radio to gain more capacity.
  Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew 
VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will convert 
these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate the radio 
to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates. 
 Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have 2 N 
connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Chuck McCown]

Would be a from scratch thing, but the cover would have to be an extra piece 
that is removable.  
You will have one SMA pointing down and one pointing to the side.  There would 
have to be room to bend the cable.  

From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

The 11X is coming with N connectors from what I have seen.  So we could use 
some LMR200 N-to-SMA adapter cables.  If this is a start from scratch thing, I 
would suggest a way to have the connectors covered up and out of the rain - 
maybe with a screw on door?  I dislike weatherproofing RF cables.


On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
  What does the radio have on it?

  From: Brian Sullivan 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

  So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've heard 
from a few places.

  Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up a 
batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them too.


  On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual polarity 
with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it sounds like Chuck 
will build.


On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan <installe...@foxvalley.net> 
wrote:

  UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I imagine 
some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11 GHz links to the UBNT 
radio to gain more capacity.
  Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the Andrew 
VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an adapter that will convert 
these dishes to N connections?  These dishes also allow us to rotate the radio 
to take advantage of Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates. 
 Can they be run in dual polarity?  Ideally, the adapter would have 2 N 
connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Brian Sullivan]

Maybe UBNT would like adapters designed for an array of licensed dishes? 
  This would help get the radios out to the masses faster.

:-)
Paging Chuck Macenski + Gary Schulz

On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?
*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've 
heard from a few places.


Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up 
a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them 
too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it 
sounds like Chuck will build.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>> wrote:


UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11
GHz links to the UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the
Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an
adapter that will convert these dishes to N connections?  These
dishes also allow us to rotate the radio to take advantage of
Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates.  Can
they be run in dual polarity? Ideally, the adapter would have 2 N
connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave
interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N

[Brian Sullivan]

The 11X is coming with N connectors from what I have seen.  So we could 
use some LMR200 N-to-SMA adapter cables.  If this is a start from 
scratch thing, I would suggest a way to have the connectors covered up 
and out of the rain - maybe with a screw on door?  I dislike 
weatherproofing RF cables.


On 6/7/2016 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sure can.  I would recommend SMA connectors though I think.
What does the radio have on it?
*From:* Brian Sullivan <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 2:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Convert Andrew Dragonwave dishes to N
So I assume there is no adapter available based on the crickets i've 
heard from a few places.


Paging Chuck McCown-  If we wanted 20 or 30 of these could you make up 
a batch?  I assume there would be others who would end up wanting them 
too.


On 6/7/2016 11:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
If the dish's feed waveguide is cylindrical, yes you can use dual 
polarity with it. The question is having the right adapter, which it 
sounds like Chuck will build.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brian Sullivan 
<installe...@foxvalley.net <mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net>> wrote:


UBNT is about to release their 11 Ghz radios to the market.  I
imagine some operators like us may want to upgrade existing 11
GHz links to the UBNT radio to gain more capacity.
Our licensed links are Dragonwave Horizon Compact and we use the
Andrew VHLP2-11-DW1 in the majority of links.  Is there an
adapter that will convert these dishes to N connections?  These
dishes also allow us to rotate the radio to take advantage of
Horizontal or Vertical polarities as our license dictates.  Can
they be run in dual polarity? Ideally, the adapter would have 2 N
connections, one for H + V.  Here is a photo of the Dragonwave
interface.