Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-29 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
Oh yeah,

I'm in Chicago for a few days.  Flew in on thursday before this happened.
My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since
there were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which
basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in
wisconsin.  Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days.

That's the big news here.

-forrest

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:

> Anyone see this?
>
>
> http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE
>
>
> http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP
>
>
>
> On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators,
> controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was
> heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex
> enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of
> dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO
> 
> .
>
> ZAU
> 
> is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC),
> which covers 
> northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south
> eastern Michigan. There are two "sides" at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic
> destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic
> overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy
> with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to
> Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like
> GYY , MKE
> , RFD
> , PIA
> ,
> and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway International
>  and O'Hare
> International
> , one of the
> busiest airports in the world.
>
> On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and
> holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom
> room, destroying 23 of the 29
> 
> rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from the associated
> radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide traffic through the
> busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU duty manager had no
> choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA command center
>  and reported ATC ZERO -- no
> controllers available, control center offline.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-29 Thread Jaime Solorza via Af 
Harris employee.  Fired now

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 29, 2014 3:36 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af" <
af@afmug.com> wrote:

> Oh yeah,
>
> I'm in Chicago for a few days.  Flew in on thursday before this
> happened.   My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in
> MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area,
> which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in
> wisconsin.  Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days.
>
> That's the big news here.
>
> -forrest
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:
>
>> Anyone see this?
>>
>>
>> http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE
>>
>>
>> http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators,
>> controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was
>> heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex
>> enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of
>> dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO
>> 
>> .
>>
>> ZAU
>> 
>> is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC),
>> which covers 
>> northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south
>> eastern Michigan. There are two "sides" at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic
>> destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic
>> overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy
>> with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to
>> Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like
>> GYY ,
>> MKE ,
>> RFD ,
>> PIA
>> ,
>> and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway International
>>  and 
>> O'Hare
>> International
>> , one of
>> the busiest airports in the world.
>>
>> On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and
>> holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom
>> room, destroying 23 of the 29
>> 
>> rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from the associated
>> radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide traffic through the
>> busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU duty manager had no
>> choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA command center
>>  and reported ATC ZERO -- no
>> controllers available, control center offline.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-29 Thread Eric Kuhnke via Af 
considering they found him underneath a table with a knife in hand actively
trying to cut his own throat, i think being fired is the least of that
guy's problems right now.

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af  wrote:

> Harris employee.  Fired now
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On Sep 29, 2014 3:36 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af" <
> af@afmug.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh yeah,
>>
>> I'm in Chicago for a few days.  Flew in on thursday before this
>> happened.   My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in
>> MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area,
>> which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in
>> wisconsin.  Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days.
>>
>> That's the big news here.
>>
>> -forrest
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone see this?
>>>
>>>
>>> http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators,
>>> controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was
>>> heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex
>>> enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of
>>> dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>> ZAU
>>> 
>>> is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC),
>>> which covers 
>>> northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south
>>> eastern Michigan. There are two "sides" at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic
>>> destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic
>>> overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy
>>> with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to
>>> Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like
>>> GYY ,
>>> MKE
>>> ,
>>> RFD
>>> ,
>>> PIA
>>> ,
>>> and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway International
>>>  and 
>>> O'Hare
>>> International
>>> , one of
>>> the busiest airports in the world.
>>>
>>> On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and
>>> holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom
>>> room, destroying 23 of the 29
>>> 
>>> rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from the associated
>>> radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide traffic through the
>>> busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU duty manager had no
>>> choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA command center
>>>  and reported ATC ZERO -- no
>>> controllers available, control center offline.
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-29 Thread Nate Burke via Af 
This is only a couple miles from our office.  They had all the local 
news choppers up in the air over it on Friday.  I was surprised that it 
didn't garner more national coverage.  I guess since it wasn't the 
terror threat of the day, it didn't get any traction.  Just a 
disgruntled employee.  Even the first reports said it was not a 
terrorist act.



On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:

Oh yeah,

I'm in Chicago for a few days.  Flew in on thursday before this 
happened.   My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty 
delay in MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the 
affected area, which basically includes both chicago airports, and the 
two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands of flights cancelled over the 
last couple of days.


That's the big news here.

-forrest

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af > wrote:


Anyone see this?


http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE


http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP



On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When
operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp
of disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in
three words, and complex enough to cancel thousand of flights and
cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO

.

ZAU

is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center
(ARTCC), which covers
 northern
Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south
eastern Michigan. There are two "sides" at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed
traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled
traffic overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country.
ZAU-HI was busy with traffic from the east to west, as well as
European traffic heading to Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to
feed in traffic from airports like GYY
,
MKE
,
RFD
,
PIA

,
and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway
International
 and
O'Hare International
, one
of the busiest airports in the world.

On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA
and holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in
the telecom room, destroying 23 of the 29


rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from the
associated radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide
traffic through the busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline,
the ZAU duty manager had no choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA
command center  and
reported ATC ZERO -- no controllers available, control center
offline.

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-29 Thread That One Guy via Af 
im going with isis on this

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:

>  This is only a couple miles from our office.  They had all the local news
> choppers up in the air over it on Friday.  I was surprised that it didn't
> garner more national coverage.  I guess since it wasn't the terror threat
> of the day, it didn't get any traction.  Just a disgruntled employee.  Even
> the first reports said it was not a terrorist act.
>
>
> On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
>
>  Oh yeah,
>
>  I'm in Chicago for a few days.  Flew in on thursday before this
> happened.   My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in
> MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area,
> which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in
> wisconsin.  Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days.
>
>  That's the big news here.
>
> -forrest
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:
>
>> Anyone see this?
>>
>>
>> http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE
>>
>>
>> http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators,
>> controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was
>> heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex
>> enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of
>> dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO
>> 
>> .
>>
>> ZAU
>> 
>> is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC),
>> which covers 
>> northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south
>> eastern Michigan. There are two "sides" at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic
>> destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic
>> overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy
>> with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to
>> Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like
>> GYY ,
>> MKE ,
>> RFD ,
>> PIA
>> ,
>> and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway International
>>  and 
>> O'Hare
>> International
>> , one of
>> the busiest airports in the world.
>>
>> On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and
>> holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom
>> room, destroying 23 of the 29
>> 
>> rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from the associated
>> radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide traffic through the
>> busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU duty manager had no
>> choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA command center
>>  and reported ATC ZERO -- no
>> controllers available, control center offline.
>>
>
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-29 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af 

Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat.

On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:

im going with isis on this

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af > wrote:


This is only a couple miles from our office.  They had all the
local news choppers up in the air over it on Friday.  I was
surprised that it didn't garner more national coverage.  I guess
since it wasn't the terror threat of the day, it didn't get any
traction.  Just a disgruntled employee.  Even the first reports
said it was not a terrorist act.


On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:

Oh yeah,

I'm in Chicago for a few days.  Flew in on thursday before this
happened.   My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty
delay in MSP since there were very very few flights flying into
the affected area, which basically includes both chicago
airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin.  Thousands of
flights cancelled over the last couple of days.

That's the big news here.

-forrest

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

Anyone see this?


http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE


http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP



On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When
operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a
gasp of disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to
state in three words, and complex enough to cancel thousand
of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC
ZERO

.

ZAU

is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control
Center (ARTCC), which covers

northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western
Iowa, and south eastern Michigan. There are two "sides" at an
ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports in the
covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic overflying. Both were
amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy with
traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic
heading to Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in
traffic from airports like GYY
,
MKE
,
RFD
,
PIA

,
and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway
International

and O'Hare International
, one
of the busiest airports in the world.

On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the
FAA and holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set
a fire in the telecom room, destroying 23 of the 29


rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from the
associated radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and
guide traffic through the busy sector. As the consoles
dropped offline, the ZAU duty manager had no choice -- they
called ZZZ, the FAA command center
 and reported ATC
ZERO -- no controllers available, control center offline.







--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that 
the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if 
you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all 
means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-29 Thread Ken Hohhof via Af 
I heard he was being transferred to Hawaii, not fired.
The transfer is probably off now.


From: Eric Kuhnke via Af 
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 4:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

considering they found him underneath a table with a knife in hand actively 
trying to cut his own throat, i think being fired is the least of that guy's 
problems right now.


On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af  wrote:

  Harris employee.  Fired now

  Jaime Solorza

  On Sep 29, 2014 3:36 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af" 
 wrote:

Oh yeah,


I'm in Chicago for a few days.  Flew in on thursday before this happened.   
My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there 
were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically 
includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin.  
Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days.


That's the big news here.

-forrest


On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:

  Anyone see this?

  
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE

  
http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP



  On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, 
controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. 
The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to 
cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC 
ZERO.

  ZAU is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center 
(ARTCC), which covers northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, 
western Iowa, and south eastern Michigan. There are two "sides" at an ARTCC. 
ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled 
traffic overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was 
busy with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to 
Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like GYY, 
MKE, RFD, PIA, and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway 
International and O'Hare International, one of the busiest airports in the 
world.

  On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and 
holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom 
room, destroying 23 of the 29 rack and disconnecting all the controller 
stations from the associated radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and 
guide traffic through the busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU 
duty manager had no choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA command center and 
reported ATC ZERO -- no controllers available, control center offline.

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-29 Thread Mike Hammett via Af 
+1 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter 


Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat. 

On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: 



im going with isis on this 


On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 



This is only a couple miles from our office. They had all the local news 
choppers up in the air over it on Friday. I was surprised that it didn't garner 
more national coverage. I guess since it wasn't the terror threat of the day, 
it didn't get any traction. Just a disgruntled employee. Even the first reports 
said it was not a terrorist act. 



On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: 




Oh yeah, 


I'm in Chicago for a few days. Flew in on thursday before this happened. My 
wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there 
were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically 
includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands 
of flights cancelled over the last couple of days. 


That's the big news here. 

-forrest 



On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 



Anyone see this? 

http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE
 

http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP
 



On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, 
controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. 
The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to 
cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC 
ZERO . 

ZAU is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), 
which covers northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, 
and south eastern Michigan. There are two "sides" at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed 
traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic 
overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy with 
traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to Houston 
and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like GYY , MKE , RFD 
, PIA , and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway International 
and O'Hare International , one of the busiest airports in the world. 

On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and holding 
full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom room, 
destroying 23 of the 29 rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from 
the associated radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide traffic 
through the busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU duty manager 
had no choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA command center and reported ATC ZERO 
-- no controllers available, control center offline. 












-- 

All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-29 Thread Jason McKemie via Af 
Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO. Does
he not hang out upstate enough for you guys?

On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> +1
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>
> Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat.
>
> On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
>
> im going with isis on this
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af  > wrote:
>
>>  This is only a couple miles from our office.  They had all the local
>> news choppers up in the air over it on Friday.  I was surprised that it
>> didn't garner more national coverage.  I guess since it wasn't the terror
>> threat of the day, it didn't get any traction.  Just a disgruntled
>> employee.  Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act.
>>
>>
>> On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
>>
>>  Oh yeah,
>>
>>  I'm in Chicago for a few days.  Flew in on thursday before this
>> happened.   My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in
>> MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area,
>> which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in
>> wisconsin.  Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days.
>>
>>  That's the big news here.
>>
>> -forrest
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af > > wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone see this?
>>>
>>>
>>> http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators,
>>> controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was
>>> heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex
>>> enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of
>>> dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO
>>> <http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=20&adv_date=09262014&facId=DCC/ZAU&title=ZAU+GROUND+STOP&titleDate=09/26/14>
>>> .
>>>
>>> ZAU
>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Air_Route_Traffic_Control_Center>
>>> is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC),
>>> which covers <http://www.fly.faa.gov/Information/west/zau/zau.htm>
>>> northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south
>>> eastern Michigan. There are two "sides" at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic
>>> destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic
>>> overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy
>>> with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to
>>> Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like
>>> GYY <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary/Chicago_International_Airport>,
>>> MKE
>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Mitchell_International_Airport>,
>>> RFD
>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Rockford_International_Airport>,
>>> PIA
>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Wayne_A._Downing_Peoria_International_Airport>,
>>> and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway International
>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Midway_International_Airport> and 
>>> O'Hare
>>> International
>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Hare_International_Airport>, one of
>>> the busiest airports in the world.
>>>
>>> On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and
>>> holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom
>>> room, destroying 23 of the 29
>>> <http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html>
>>> rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from the associated
>>> radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide traffic through the
>>> busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU duty manager had no
>>> choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA command center
>>> <http://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/usmap.jsp> and reported ATC ZERO -- no
>>> controllers available, control center offline.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>  --
> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-29 Thread Mike Hammett via Af 
Do you live under a bridge? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Jason McKemie via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter 

Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO. Does he 
not hang out upstate enough for you guys? 

On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 




+1 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af" < af@afmug.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter 


Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat. 

On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: 



im going with isis on this 


On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 



This is only a couple miles from our office. They had all the local news 
choppers up in the air over it on Friday. I was surprised that it didn't garner 
more national coverage. I guess since it wasn't the terror threat of the day, 
it didn't get any traction. Just a disgruntled employee. Even the first reports 
said it was not a terrorist act. 



On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: 




Oh yeah, 


I'm in Chicago for a few days. Flew in on thursday before this happened. My 
wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there 
were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically 
includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands 
of flights cancelled over the last couple of days. 


That's the big news here. 

-forrest 



On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 



Anyone see this? 

http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE
 

http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP
 



On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, 
controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. 
The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to 
cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC 
ZERO . 

ZAU is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), 
which covers northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, 
and south eastern Michigan. There are two "sides" at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed 
traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic 
overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy with 
traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to Houston 
and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like GYY , MKE , RFD 
, PIA , and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway International 
and O'Hare International , one of the busiest airports in the world. 

On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and holding 
full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom room, 
destroying 23 of the 29 rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from 
the associated radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide traffic 
through the busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU duty manager 
had no choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA command center and reported ATC ZERO 
-- no controllers available, control center offline. 












-- 

All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-29 Thread Jason McKemie via Af 
To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI.

On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> Do you live under a bridge?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Jason McKemie via Af"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>
> Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO.
> Does he not hang out upstate enough for you guys?
>
> On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  > wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> ------
>> *From: *"George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>>
>> Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat.
>>
>> On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
>>
>> im going with isis on this
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:
>>
>>>  This is only a couple miles from our office.  They had all the local
>>> news choppers up in the air over it on Friday.  I was surprised that it
>>> didn't garner more national coverage.  I guess since it wasn't the terror
>>> threat of the day, it didn't get any traction.  Just a disgruntled
>>> employee.  Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
>>>
>>>  Oh yeah,
>>>
>>>  I'm in Chicago for a few days.  Flew in on thursday before this
>>> happened.   My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in
>>> MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area,
>>> which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in
>>> wisconsin.  Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days.
>>>
>>>  That's the big news here.
>>>
>>> -forrest
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone see this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators,
>>>> controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was
>>>> heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex
>>>> enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of
>>>> dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO
>>>> <http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=20&adv_date=09262014&facId=DCC/ZAU&title=ZAU+GROUND+STOP&titleDate=09/26/14>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> ZAU
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Air_Route_Traffic_Control_Center>
>>>> is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC),
>>>> which covers <http://www.fly.faa.gov/Information/west/zau/zau.htm>
>>>> northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south
>>>> eastern Michigan. There are two "sides" at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic
>>>> destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic
>>>> overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy
>>>> with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to
>>>> Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like
>>>> GYY <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary/Chicago_International_Airport>,
>>>> MKE
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Mitchell_International_Airport>,
>>>> RFD
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Rockford_International_Airport>,
>>>> PIA
>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Wayne_A._Downing_Peoria_International_Airport>,
>>>> and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway Interna

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-29 Thread Mike Hammett via Af 
Trolling two people that clearly do not think highly of our senior senator. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Jason McKemie via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 7:27:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter 

To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI. 

On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 




Do you live under a bridge? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: "Jason McKemie via Af" < af@afmug.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter 

Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO. Does he 
not hang out upstate enough for you guys? 

On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 




+1 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af" < af@afmug.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter 


Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat. 

On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: 



im going with isis on this 


On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 



This is only a couple miles from our office. They had all the local news 
choppers up in the air over it on Friday. I was surprised that it didn't garner 
more national coverage. I guess since it wasn't the terror threat of the day, 
it didn't get any traction. Just a disgruntled employee. Even the first reports 
said it was not a terrorist act. 



On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: 




Oh yeah, 


I'm in Chicago for a few days. Flew in on thursday before this happened. My 
wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there 
were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically 
includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. Thousands 
of flights cancelled over the last couple of days. 


That's the big news here. 

-forrest 



On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 



Anyone see this? 

http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE
 

http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP
 



On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, 
controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. 
The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to 
cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC 
ZERO . 

ZAU is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), 
which covers northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, 
and south eastern Michigan. There are two "sides" at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed 
traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic 
overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy with 
traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to Houston 
and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like GYY , MKE , RFD 
, PIA , and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway International 
and O'Hare International , one of the busiest airports in the world. 

On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and holding 
full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom room, 
destroying 23 of the 29 rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from 
the associated radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide traffic 
through the busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU duty manager 
had no choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA command center and reported ATC ZERO 
-- no controllers available, control center offline. 












-- 

All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts 
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them 
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- 
IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-29 Thread Jason McKemie via Af 
Well, if that's the case, then it was a troll of a troll :-)

On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> Trolling two people that clearly do not think highly of our senior senator.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Jason McKemie via Af"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 7:27:31 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>
> To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI.
>
> On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  > wrote:
>
>> Do you live under a bridge?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> ----------
>> *From: *"Jason McKemie via Af" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>>
>> Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO.
>> Does he not hang out upstate enough for you guys?
>>
>> On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>>>
>>> Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat.
>>>
>>> On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
>>>
>>> im going with isis on this
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>>>  This is only a couple miles from our office.  They had all the local
>>>> news choppers up in the air over it on Friday.  I was surprised that it
>>>> didn't garner more national coverage.  I guess since it wasn't the terror
>>>> threat of the day, it didn't get any traction.  Just a disgruntled
>>>> employee.  Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Oh yeah,
>>>>
>>>>  I'm in Chicago for a few days.  Flew in on thursday before this
>>>> happened.   My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in
>>>> MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area,
>>>> which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in
>>>> wisconsin.  Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days.
>>>>
>>>>  That's the big news here.
>>>>
>>>> -forrest
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone see this?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators,
>>>>> controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was
>>>>> heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex
>>>>> enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of
>>>>> dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO
>>>>> <http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=20&adv_date=09262014&facId=DCC/ZAU&title=ZAU+GROUND+STOP&titleDate=09/26/14>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> ZAU
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Air_Route_Traffic_Control_Center>
>>>>> is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC),
>>>>> which covers <http://www.fly.faa.gov/Information/west/zau/zau.htm>
>>>>> northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south
>>>>> eastern Michigan. There are two "sides" a

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-29 Thread That One Guy via Af 
i want in on the trolling

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Jason McKemie via Af  wrote:

> Well, if that's the case, then it was a troll of a troll :-)
>
>
> On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>> Trolling two people that clearly do not think highly of our senior
>> senator.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Jason McKemie via Af" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 7:27:31 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>>
>> To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI.
>>
>> On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>>
>>> Do you live under a bridge?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Jason McKemie via Af" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>>>
>>> Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO.
>>> Does he not hang out upstate enough for you guys?
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af" 
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>>>>
>>>> Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat.
>>>>
>>>> On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
>>>>
>>>> im going with isis on this
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  This is only a couple miles from our office.  They had all the local
>>>>> news choppers up in the air over it on Friday.  I was surprised that it
>>>>> didn't garner more national coverage.  I guess since it wasn't the terror
>>>>> threat of the day, it didn't get any traction.  Just a disgruntled
>>>>> employee.  Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Oh yeah,
>>>>>
>>>>>  I'm in Chicago for a few days.  Flew in on thursday before this
>>>>> happened.   My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in
>>>>> MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area,
>>>>> which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in
>>>>> wisconsin.  Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days.
>>>>>
>>>>>  That's the big news here.
>>>>>
>>>>> -forrest
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone see this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When
>>>>>> operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of
>>>>>> disbelief was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three 
>>>>>> words,
>>>>>> and complex enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of
>>>>>> millions of dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO
>>>>>> <http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=20&adv_date=09262014&facId=DCC/ZAU&title=ZAU+

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-29 Thread Josh Reynolds via Af 

count me in for one trolling please

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 09/29/2014 05:02 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:

i want in on the trolling

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Jason McKemie via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


Well, if that's the case, then it was a troll of a troll :-)


On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

Trolling two people that clearly do not think highly of our
senior senator.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"Jason McKemie via Af" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 7:27:31 PM
    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream
media FYI.

On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af
 wrote:

Do you live under a bridge?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



*From: *"Jason McKemie via Af" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM
    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the
better ones IMO. Does he not hang out upstate enough for
you guys?

On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af
 wrote:

+1



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



*From: *"George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af"

*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM
    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat.

On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:

im going with isis on this

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af
 wrote:

This is only a couple miles from our office. 
They had all the local news choppers up in the

air over it on Friday.  I was surprised that
it didn't garner more national coverage.  I
guess since it wasn't the terror threat of the
day, it didn't get any traction.  Just a
disgruntled employee. Even the first reports
said it was not a terrorist act.


On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List
Account) via Af wrote:

Oh yeah,

I'm in Chicago for a few days. Flew in on
thursday before this happened.   My wife
flew in on Saturday and ended up with a
nasty delay in MSP since there were very
very few flights flying into the affected
area, which basically includes both
chicago airports, and the two airports up
in wisconsin. Thousands of flights
cancelled over the last couple of days.

That's the big news here.

-forrest

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric
Kuhnke via Af  wrote:

Anyone see this?


http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE


http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP



On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of
26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators,
controllers and airport managers saw
the title, a gasp of disbelief was
heard. The problem was simple enough
to state in three words, and complex
enough to cancel thousand of flights

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-29 Thread George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af 
I'm pretty skeptical of partisans and career politicians. Term limits.. 
but it will never happen. Do a couple terms and then go home and work 
like everyone else. No, instead they sit there for decades milking 
connections to get rich and exempt themselves from the laws they force 
upon us, then collect a pension after some scandal and/or their party 
disowns them and they finally fade away.


On 9/29/2014 7:27 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote:

To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI.

On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


Do you live under a bridge?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"Jason McKemie via Af" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM
    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones
IMO. Does he not hang out upstate enough for you guys?

On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af > wrote:

+1



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM
    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat.

On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:

im going with isis on this

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af
 wrote:

This is only a couple miles from our office.  They had
all the local news choppers up in the air over it on
Friday.  I was surprised that it didn't garner more
national coverage.  I guess since it wasn't the terror
threat of the day, it didn't get any traction.  Just a
disgruntled employee.  Even the first reports said it
was not a terrorist act.


On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
via Af wrote:

Oh yeah,

I'm in Chicago for a few days.  Flew in on
thursday before this happened.   My wife flew in
on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP
since there were very very few flights flying into
the affected area, which basically includes both
chicago airports, and the two airports up in
wisconsin. Thousands of flights cancelled over the
last couple of days.

That's the big news here.

-forrest

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via
Af  wrote:

Anyone see this?


http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE


http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP



On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014
went out. When operators, controllers and
airport managers saw the title, a gasp of
disbelief was heard. The problem was simple
enough to state in three words, and complex
enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost
hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO

<http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=20&adv_date=09262014&facId=DCC/ZAU&title=ZAU+GROUND+STOP&titleDate=09/26/14>.

ZAU

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Air_Route_Traffic_Control_Center>
is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout
Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), which covers
<http://www.fly.faa.gov/Information/west/zau/zau.htm>
northern Illinois and Indiana, southern
Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south eastern
Michigan. There are two "sides" at an ARTCC.
ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports in
the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic
overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in
the country. ZAU-HI was busy with traffic from

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-29 Thread Jason McKemie via Af 
I don't disagree about politicians, but that is more of a general thing and
isn't specific to Durbin.

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 9:27 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af <
af@afmug.com> wrote:

>  I'm pretty skeptical of partisans and career politicians. Term limits..
> but it will never happen. Do a couple terms and then go home and work like
> everyone else. No, instead they sit there for decades milking connections
> to get rich and exempt themselves from the laws they force upon us, then
> collect a pension after some scandal and/or their party disowns them and
> they finally fade away.
>
> On 9/29/2014 7:27 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote:
>
> To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI.
>
> On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>>  Do you live under a bridge?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> ------
>> *From: *"Jason McKemie via Af" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>>
>> Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO.
>> Does he not hang out upstate enough for you guys?
>>
>> On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>>
>>>  +1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>>>
>>> Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat.
>>>
>>> On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
>>>
>>> im going with isis on this
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>>>  This is only a couple miles from our office.  They had all the local
>>>> news choppers up in the air over it on Friday.  I was surprised that it
>>>> didn't garner more national coverage.  I guess since it wasn't the terror
>>>> threat of the day, it didn't get any traction.  Just a disgruntled
>>>> employee.  Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Oh yeah,
>>>>
>>>>  I'm in Chicago for a few days.  Flew in on thursday before this
>>>> happened.   My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in
>>>> MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area,
>>>> which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in
>>>> wisconsin.  Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days.
>>>>
>>>>  That's the big news here.
>>>>
>>>> -forrest
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone see this?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators,
>>>>> controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was
>>>>> heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex
>>>>> enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of
>>>>> dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO
>>>>> <http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=20&adv_date=09262014&facId=DCC/ZAU&title=ZAU+GROUND+STOP&titleDate=09/26/14>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> ZAU
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Air_Route_Traffic_Control_Center>
>>>>> is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC),
>>>>> which covers <http://www.fly.faa.gov/Information/west/zau/zau.htm>
>>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-29 Thread Tyler Treat via Af 
.this.

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___


On Sep 29, 2014, at 9:27 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

I'm pretty skeptical of partisans and career politicians. Term limits.. but it 
will never happen. Do a couple terms and then go home and work like everyone 
else. No, instead they sit there for decades milking connections to get rich 
and exempt themselves from the laws they force upon us, then collect a pension 
after some scandal and/or their party disowns them and they finally fade away.

On 9/29/2014 7:27 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote:
To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI.

On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Do you live under a bridge?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Jason McKemie via Af" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO. Does he 
not hang out upstate enough for you guys?

On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af 
> wrote:
+1



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat.

On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
im going with isis on this

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:
This is only a couple miles from our office.  They had all the local news 
choppers up in the air over it on Friday.  I was surprised that it didn't 
garner more national coverage.  I guess since it wasn't the terror threat of 
the day, it didn't get any traction.  Just a disgruntled employee.  Even the 
first reports said it was not a terrorist act.


On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
Oh yeah,

I'm in Chicago for a few days.  Flew in on thursday before this happened.   My 
wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there 
were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically 
includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin.  
Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days.

That's the big news here.

-forrest

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:
Anyone see this?

http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE

http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP



On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, 
controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. 
The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to 
cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC 
ZERO<http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=20&adv_date=09262014&facId=DCC/ZAU&title=ZAU+GROUND+STOP&titleDate=09/26/14>.

ZAU<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Air_Route_Traffic_Control_Center> is 
the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), which 
covers<http://www.fly.faa.gov/Information/west/zau/zau.htm> northern Illinois 
and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south eastern Michigan. 
There are two "sides" at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports 
in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic overflying. Both were amongst the 
busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy with traffic from the east to west, as 
well as European traffic heading to Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed 
in traffic from airports like 
GYY<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary/Chicago_International_Airport>, 
MKE<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Mitchell_International_Airport>, 
RFD<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Rockford_International_Airport>, 
PIA<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Wayne_A._Downing_Peoria_International_Airport>,
 and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway 
International<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Midway_International_Airport>
 and O'Hare 
International<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Hare_International_Airport>, one 
of the busiest airports in the world.

On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and holding 
full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom room, 
destroying 23 o

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-29 Thread That One Guy via Af 
It would be much better if instead of payroll, all employers just kicked
all revenue into the kitty and the government could hand it out based on
each persons need

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Tyler Treat via Af  wrote:

>  .this.
>
> ___
> Mangled by my iPhone.
> ___
>
>  Tyler Treat
> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>
>  tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
> ___
>
>
> On Sep 29, 2014, at 9:27 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af <
> af@afmug.com> wrote:
>
>   I'm pretty skeptical of partisans and career politicians. Term limits..
> but it will never happen. Do a couple terms and then go home and work like
> everyone else. No, instead they sit there for decades milking connections
> to get rich and exempt themselves from the laws they force upon us, then
> collect a pension after some scandal and/or their party disowns them and
> they finally fade away.
>
> On 9/29/2014 7:27 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote:
>
> To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI.
>
> On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>>  Do you live under a bridge?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --------------
>>  *From: *"Jason McKemie via Af" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>>
>> Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO.
>> Does he not hang out upstate enough for you guys?
>>
>> On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>>
>>>  +1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> --
>>>  *From: *"George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>>>
>>> Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat.
>>>
>>> On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
>>>
>>> im going with isis on this
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is only a couple miles from our office.  They had all the local
>>>> news choppers up in the air over it on Friday.  I was surprised that it
>>>> didn't garner more national coverage.  I guess since it wasn't the terror
>>>> threat of the day, it didn't get any traction.  Just a disgruntled
>>>> employee.  Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Oh yeah,
>>>>
>>>>  I'm in Chicago for a few days.  Flew in on thursday before this
>>>> happened.   My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in
>>>> MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area,
>>>> which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in
>>>> wisconsin.  Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days.
>>>>
>>>>  That's the big news here.
>>>>
>>>> -forrest
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone see this?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators,
>>>>> controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was
>>>>> heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex
>>>>> enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of
>>>>> dollars: ZAU ATC ZERO
>>>>> <http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=20&adv_date=09262014&facId=DCC/ZAU&title=ZAU+GROUND+STOP&titleDate=0

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-29 Thread Glen Waldrop via Af 
If we push it'll happen.

Won't be easy.

We'll have to convince them to vote on killing their golden goose.


  - Original Message - 
  From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter


  I'm pretty skeptical of partisans and career politicians. Term limits.. but 
it will never happen. Do a couple terms and then go home and work like everyone 
else. No, instead they sit there for decades milking connections to get rich 
and exempt themselves from the laws they force upon us, then collect a pension 
after some scandal and/or their party disowns them and they finally fade away.

  On 9/29/2014 7:27 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote:

To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI.

On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

  Do you live under a bridge?




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: "Jason McKemie via Af" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

  Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO. 
Does he not hang out upstate enough for you guys?

  On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

+1




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter


Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat.

On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:

  im going with isis on this


  On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af  
wrote:

This is only a couple miles from our office.  They had all the 
local news choppers up in the air over it on Friday.  I was surprised that it 
didn't garner more national coverage.  I guess since it wasn't the terror 
threat of the day, it didn't get any traction.  Just a disgruntled employee.  
Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act.  



On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:

  Oh yeah,


  I'm in Chicago for a few days.  Flew in on thursday before this 
happened.   My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP 
since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which 
basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. 
 Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days.


  That's the big news here.

  -forrest



  On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af 
 wrote:

Anyone see this?


http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE


http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP



On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When 
operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief 
was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex 
enough to cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: 
ZAU ATC ZERO.

ZAU is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control 
Center (ARTCC), which covers northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, 
western Iowa, and south eastern Michigan. There are two "sides" at an ARTCC. 
ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled 
traffic overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was 
busy with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to 
Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like GYY, 
MKE, RFD, PIA, and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway 
International and O'Hare International, one of the busiest airports in the 
world.

On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA 
and holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom 
room, destroying 23 of the 29 rack and disconnecting all the controller 
stations from the associated radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and 
guide traffic through the busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU 
duty manager had no choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA command center and 
reported ATC ZERO --

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-29 Thread That One Guy via Af 
you honestly think that? not a chance in hell pal. The only way that would
happen is before somebody closes the pen and phone window a single person
writes it into law. One man with a sheep might pull out if you put him in
the spotlight, but if you have a barn full of men each with a sheep, you
might convince a few to pull out, but never a majority, and we arent even
talking sheep at this point, we are talking fresh toothless calves.

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af  wrote:

>  If we push it'll happen.
>
> Won't be easy.
>
> We'll have to convince them to vote on killing their golden goose.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2014 9:26 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>
> I'm pretty skeptical of partisans and career politicians. Term limits..
> but it will never happen. Do a couple terms and then go home and work like
> everyone else. No, instead they sit there for decades milking connections
> to get rich and exempt themselves from the laws they force upon us, then
> collect a pension after some scandal and/or their party disowns them and
> they finally fade away.
>
> On 9/29/2014 7:27 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote:
>
> To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI.
>
> On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>>  Do you live under a bridge?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> ------------------
>> *From: *"Jason McKemie via Af" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>>
>> Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO.
>> Does he not hang out upstate enough for you guys?
>>
>> On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>>
>>>  +1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>>>
>>> Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat.
>>>
>>> On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
>>>
>>> im going with isis on this
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is only a couple miles from our office.  They had all the local
>>>> news choppers up in the air over it on Friday.  I was surprised that it
>>>> didn't garner more national coverage.  I guess since it wasn't the terror
>>>> threat of the day, it didn't get any traction.  Just a disgruntled
>>>> employee.  Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Oh yeah,
>>>>
>>>> I'm in Chicago for a few days.  Flew in on thursday before this
>>>> happened.   My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in
>>>> MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area,
>>>> which basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in
>>>> wisconsin.  Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days.
>>>>
>>>> That's the big news here.
>>>>
>>>> -forrest
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone see this?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators,
>>>>> controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was
>>>>> heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex
&

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-29 Thread Glen Waldrop via Af 
Don't mistake soft words for a lack of conviction or naively believing the 
system works.

We run this country. We have to remind everyone of that. Those morons in office 
work for us, not the other way around. Right now they work for themselves with 
little to no oversight.

Anyway, I've spoken my piece. Not getting any further into the political rabbit 
hole.

Night everyone.




  - Original Message - 
  From: That One Guy via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter


  you honestly think that? not a chance in hell pal. The only way that would 
happen is before somebody closes the pen and phone window a single person 
writes it into law. One man with a sheep might pull out if you put him in the 
spotlight, but if you have a barn full of men each with a sheep, you might 
convince a few to pull out, but never a majority, and we arent even talking 
sheep at this point, we are talking fresh toothless calves.


  On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af  wrote:

If we push it'll happen.

Won't be easy.

We'll have to convince them to vote on killing their golden goose.


  - Original Message - 
  From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter


  I'm pretty skeptical of partisans and career politicians. Term limits.. 
but it will never happen. Do a couple terms and then go home and work like 
everyone else. No, instead they sit there for decades milking connections to 
get rich and exempt themselves from the laws they force upon us, then collect a 
pension after some scandal and/or their party disowns them and they finally 
fade away.

  On 9/29/2014 7:27 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote:

To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI.

On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

  Do you live under a bridge?




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: "Jason McKemie via Af" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

  Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones 
IMO. Does he not hang out upstate enough for you guys?

  On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  
wrote:

+1




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter


Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat.

On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:

  im going with isis on this


  On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af  
wrote:

This is only a couple miles from our office.  They had all the 
local news choppers up in the air over it on Friday.  I was surprised that it 
didn't garner more national coverage.  I guess since it wasn't the terror 
threat of the day, it didn't get any traction.  Just a disgruntled employee.  
Even the first reports said it was not a terrorist act.  



On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
wrote:

  Oh yeah,


  I'm in Chicago for a few days.  Flew in on thursday before 
this happened.   My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in 
MSP since there were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which 
basically includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin. 
 Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days.


  That's the big news here.

  -forrest



  On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af 
 wrote:

Anyone see this?


http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE


http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP



On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When 
operators, controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief 
was heard. The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex 
enough to cancel thousand of flights an

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-30 Thread Josh Reynolds via Af 

I will believe that when we remove the electoral college.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 09/29/2014 09:43 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af wrote:
Don't mistake soft words for a lack of conviction or naively believing 
the system works.


We run this country. We have to remind everyone of that. Those morons 
in office work for us, not the other way around. Right now they work 
for themselves with little to no oversight.


Anyway, I've spoken my piece. Not getting any further into the 
political rabbit hole.


Night everyone.

- Original Message -
*From:* That One Guy via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:30 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

you honestly think that? not a chance in hell pal. The only way
that would happen is before somebody closes the pen and phone
window a single person writes it into law. One man with a sheep
might pull out if you put him in the spotlight, but if you have a
barn full of men each with a sheep, you might convince a few to
pull out, but never a majority, and we arent even talking sheep at
this point, we are talking fresh toothless calves.

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

If we push it'll happen.

Won't be easy.

We'll have to convince them to vote on killing their golden goose.

- Original Message -
*From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
<mailto:af@afmug.com>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2014 9:26 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

I'm pretty skeptical of partisans and career politicians.
Term limits.. but it will never happen. Do a couple terms
and then go home and work like everyone else. No, instead
they sit there for decades milking connections to get rich
and exempt themselves from the laws they force upon us,
then collect a pension after some scandal and/or their
party disowns them and they finally fade away.

On 9/29/2014 7:27 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote:

To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of
mainstream media FYI.

On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

Do you live under a bridge?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



*From: *"Jason McKemie via Af" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
            *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the
better ones IMO. Does he not hang out upstate enough
for you guys?

On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af
 wrote:

+1



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



*From: *"George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via
Af" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
        *Sent: *Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own
throat.

On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:

im going with isis on this

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke
via Af  wrote:

This is only a couple miles from our
office.  They had all the local news
choppers up in the air over it on
Friday.  I was surprised that it didn't
garner more national coverage.  I guess
since it wasn't the terror threat of the
day, it didn't get any traction.  Just a
disgruntled employee. Even the first
reports said it was not a terrorist act.


On 9/29/2014 4:

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-30 Thread Gino Villarini via Af 
Wow, I still can’t wrap my head around how the electoral college represents the 
people…

Here in PR, its direct vote counts… that’s it!



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Organization: SPITwSPOTS
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 at 4:47 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

I will believe that when we remove the electoral college.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 09/29/2014 09:43 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af wrote:
Don't mistake soft words for a lack of conviction or naively believing the 
system works.

We run this country. We have to remind everyone of that. Those morons in office 
work for us, not the other way around. Right now they work for themselves with 
little to no oversight.

Anyway, I've spoken my piece. Not getting any further into the political rabbit 
hole.

Night everyone.




- Original Message -
From: That One Guy via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

you honestly think that? not a chance in hell pal. The only way that would 
happen is before somebody closes the pen and phone window a single person 
writes it into law. One man with a sheep might pull out if you put him in the 
spotlight, but if you have a barn full of men each with a sheep, you might 
convince a few to pull out, but never a majority, and we arent even talking 
sheep at this point, we are talking fresh toothless calves.

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
If we push it'll happen.

Won't be easy.

We'll have to convince them to vote on killing their golden goose.


- Original Message -
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

I'm pretty skeptical of partisans and career politicians. Term limits.. but it 
will never happen. Do a couple terms and then go home and work like everyone 
else. No, instead they sit there for decades milking connections to get rich 
and exempt themselves from the laws they force upon us, then collect a pension 
after some scandal and/or their party disowns them and they finally fade away.

On 9/29/2014 7:27 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote:
To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI.

On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Do you live under a bridge?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

________________
From: "Jason McKemie via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO. Does he 
not hang out upstate enough for you guys?

On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
+1



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

________________
From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat.

On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
im going with isis on this

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:
This is only a couple miles from our office.  They had all the local news 
choppers up in the air over it on Friday.  I was surprised that it didn't 
garner more national coverage.  I guess since it wasn't the terror threat of 
the day, it didn't get any traction.  Just a disgruntled employee.  Even the 
first reports said it was not a terrorist act.


On 9/29/2014 4:36 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
Oh yeah,

I'm in Chicago for a few days.  Flew in on thursday before this happened.   My 
wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there 
were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically 
includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin.  
Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days.

That's the big news here.

-forrest

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:
Anyone see this?

http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE

http://www.metafilt

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-30 Thread Rory Conaway via Af 
The original thought was that the masses were ignorant and there needed
to be balance to that.   200 years and that hasn't changed.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via
Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

 

Wow, I still can't wrap my head around how the electoral college
represents the people...  

 

Here in PR, its direct vote counts... that's it!

 

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

President

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

www.aeronetpr.com   

@aeronetpr

 

 

 

From: "af@afmug.com" 
Organization: SPITwSPOTS
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 at 4:47 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

 

I will believe that when we remove the electoral college.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com

On 09/29/2014 09:43 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af wrote:

Don't mistake soft words for a lack of conviction or naively
believing the system works.

We run this country. We have to remind everyone of that. Those
morons in office work for us, not the other way around. Right now they
work for themselves with little to no oversight.

Anyway, I've spoken my piece. Not getting any further into the
political rabbit hole.

Night everyone.

 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: That One Guy via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:30 AM

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

 

you honestly think that? not a chance in hell pal. The
only way that would happen is before somebody closes the pen and phone
window a single person writes it into law. One man with a sheep might
pull out if you put him in the spotlight, but if you have a barn full of
men each with a sheep, you might convince a few to pull out, but never a
majority, and we arent even talking sheep at this point, we are talking
fresh toothless calves.

 

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af
 wrote:

If we push it'll happen.

Won't be easy.

We'll have to convince them to vote on killing their
golden goose.

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
<mailto:af@afmug.com>  

To: af@afmug.com 

        Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA
datacenter

 

I'm pretty skeptical of partisans and career
politicians. Term limits.. but it will never happen. Do a couple terms
and then go home and work like everyone else. No, instead they sit there
for decades milking connections to get rich and exempt themselves from
the laws they force upon us, then collect a pension after some scandal
and/or their party disowns them and they finally fade away.

On 9/29/2014 7:27 PM, Jason McKemie via Af
wrote:

To what are you referring? I'm pretty
skeptical of mainstream media FYI.

On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike
Hammett via Af  wrote:

Do you live under a bridge?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 





From: "Jason McKemie via Af"

To: af@afmug.com
            Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11
PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA
datacenter

Little bit of haterism going on here,
he's one of the better ones IMO. Does he not hang out upstate enough for
you guys?

On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike
Hammett via Af  wrote:

+1



-
Mike Hammett

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-30 Thread Gino Villarini via Af 
I don’t think that’s a good argument for it.  Candidates focus their campaigns 
on “key” colleges, and win elections… Democracy is “the people” how in earth 
you get voted to President without the majority of the votes! Thats just sad



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 at 6:01 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

The original thought was that the masses were ignorant and there needed to be 
balance to that.   200 years and that hasn’t changed.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

Wow, I still can’t wrap my head around how the electoral college represents the 
people…

Here in PR, its direct vote counts… that’s it!



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Organization: SPITwSPOTS
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 at 4:47 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

I will believe that when we remove the electoral college.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>
On 09/29/2014 09:43 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af wrote:
Don't mistake soft words for a lack of conviction or naively believing the 
system works.

We run this country. We have to remind everyone of that. Those morons in office 
work for us, not the other way around. Right now they work for themselves with 
little to no oversight.

Anyway, I've spoken my piece. Not getting any further into the political rabbit 
hole.

Night everyone.




- Original Message -
From:That One Guy via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
To:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

you honestly think that? not a chance in hell pal. The only way that would 
happen is before somebody closes the pen and phone window a single person 
writes it into law. One man with a sheep might pull out if you put him in the 
spotlight, but if you have a barn full of men each with a sheep, you might 
convince a few to pull out, but never a majority, and we arent even talking 
sheep at this point, we are talking fresh toothless calves.

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
If we push it'll happen.

Won't be easy.

We'll have to convince them to vote on killing their golden goose.


----- Original Message -----
From:George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
To:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

I'm pretty skeptical of partisans and career politicians. Term limits.. but it 
will never happen. Do a couple terms and then go home and work like everyone 
else. No, instead they sit there for decades milking connections to get rich 
and exempt themselves from the laws they force upon us, then collect a pension 
after some scandal and/or their party disowns them and they finally fade away.

On 9/29/2014 7:27 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote:
To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI.

On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Do you live under a bridge?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

____
From: "Jason McKemie via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 7:23:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

Little bit of haterism going on here, he's one of the better ones IMO. Does he 
not hang out upstate enough for you guys?

On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
+1


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 5:07:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
Damn, why couldn't it be Durbin that slit his own throat.

On 9/29/2014 5:04 PM, Th

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-30 Thread Jason McKemie via Af 
Only fairly recently (2000) has the popular vote disagreed with the
electoral vote. Also, technically, we're a republic not a democracy -
although pragmatically speaking we're probably more of an oligarchy.

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014, Gino Villarini via Af  wrote:

>   I don’t think that’s a good argument for it.  Candidates focus their
> campaigns on “key” colleges, and win elections… Democracy is “the people”
> how in earth you get voted to President without the majority of the votes!
> Thats just sad
>
>
>
>  Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>   From: "af@afmug.com " <
> af@afmug.com >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " <
> af@afmug.com >
> Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 at 6:01 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com " <
> af@afmug.com >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>
>   The original thought was that the masses were ignorant and there needed
> to be balance to that.   200 years and that hasn’t changed.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Gino
> Villarini via Af
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:28 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>
>
>
> Wow, I still can’t wrap my head around how the electoral college
> represents the people…
>
>
>
> Here in PR, its direct vote counts… that’s it!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> President
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> www.aeronetpr.com
>
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *"af@afmug.com " <
> af@afmug.com >
> *Organization: *SPITwSPOTS
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com "
> >
> *Date: *Tuesday, September 30, 2014 at 4:47 AM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com " <
> af@afmug.com >
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>
>
>
> I will believe that when we remove the electoral college.
>
> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
>
> On 09/29/2014 09:43 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af wrote:
>
>  Don't mistake soft words for a lack of conviction or naively believing
> the system works.
>
> We run this country. We have to remind everyone of that. Those morons in
> office work for us, not the other way around. Right now they work for
> themselves with little to no oversight.
>
> Anyway, I've spoken my piece. Not getting any further into the political
> rabbit hole.
>
> Night everyone.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  - Original Message -
>
> *From:*That One Guy via Af 
>
> *To:*af@afmug.com 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:30 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>
>
>
> you honestly think that? not a chance in hell pal. The only way that would
> happen is before somebody closes the pen and phone window a single person
> writes it into law. One man with a sheep might pull out if you put him in
> the spotlight, but if you have a barn full of men each with a sheep, you
> might convince a few to pull out, but never a majority, and we arent even
> talking sheep at this point, we are talking fresh toothless calves.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af  > wrote:
>
> If we push it'll happen.
>
> Won't be easy.
>
> We'll have to convince them to vote on killing their golden goose.
>
>
>
>
>
>  - Original Message -
>
> *From:*George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
> 
>
> *To:*af@afmug.com 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2014 9:26 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>
>
>
> I'm pretty skeptical of partisans and career politicians. Term limits..
> but it will never happen. Do a couple terms and then go home and work like
> everyone else. No, instead they sit there for decades milking connections
> to get rich and exempt themselves from the laws they force upon us, then
> collect a pension after some scandal and/or their party disowns them and
> they finally fade away.
>
> On 9/29/2014 7:27 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote:
>
> To what are you referring? I'm pretty skeptical of mainstream media FYI.
>
> On Monday, September 29, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  > wrote:
>
> Do you live under a bridge?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>  --------------
>
> *From: *"Jason McKemie via Af"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-30 Thread Jason McKemie via Af 
I stand corrected, apparently it has actually happened to 4 candidates, the
most recent being in 2000.

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014, Jason McKemie via Af  wrote:

> Only fairly recently (2000) has the popular vote disagreed with the
> electoral vote. Also, technically, we're a republic not a democracy -
> although pragmatically speaking we're probably more of an oligarchy.
>
> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014, Gino Villarini via Af  > wrote:
>
>>   I don’t think that’s a good argument for it.  Candidates focus their
>> campaigns on “key” colleges, and win elections… Democracy is “the people”
>> how in earth you get voted to President without the majority of the votes!
>> Thats just sad
>>
>>
>>
>>  Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>>   From: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 at 6:01 AM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>>
>>   The original thought was that the masses were ignorant and there
>> needed to be balance to that.   200 years and that hasn’t changed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>> via Af
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:28 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>>
>>
>>
>> Wow, I still can’t wrap my head around how the electoral college
>> represents the people…
>>
>>
>>
>> Here in PR, its direct vote counts… that’s it!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> President
>>
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Organization: *SPITwSPOTS
>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Date: *Tuesday, September 30, 2014 at 4:47 AM
>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>>
>>
>>
>> I will believe that when we remove the electoral college.
>>
>> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
>> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
>>
>> On 09/29/2014 09:43 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af wrote:
>>
>>  Don't mistake soft words for a lack of conviction or naively believing
>> the system works.
>>
>> We run this country. We have to remind everyone of that. Those morons in
>> office work for us, not the other way around. Right now they work for
>> themselves with little to no oversight.
>>
>> Anyway, I've spoken my piece. Not getting any further into the political
>> rabbit hole.
>>
>> Night everyone.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  - Original Message -
>>
>> *From:*That One Guy via Af
>>
>> *To:*af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:30 AM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>>
>>
>>
>> you honestly think that? not a chance in hell pal. The only way that
>> would happen is before somebody closes the pen and phone window a single
>> person writes it into law. One man with a sheep might pull out if you put
>> him in the spotlight, but if you have a barn full of men each with a sheep,
>> you might convince a few to pull out, but never a majority, and we arent
>> even talking sheep at this point, we are talking fresh toothless calves.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Glen Waldrop via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>> If we push it'll happen.
>>
>> Won't be easy.
>>
>> We'll have to convince them to vote on killing their golden goose.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  - Original Message -
>>
>> *From:*George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
>>
>> *To:*af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2014 9:26 PM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm pretty skeptical of partisans and career politicians. Term limits..
>> but it will never happen. Do a couple terms and then go home and work like
>> everyone else. No, instead they sit there for decades milking connections
>> to get rich and exempt themselves from

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-30 Thread Chuck McCown via Af 
The horrors, Hawaii  

From: Ken Hohhof via Af 
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 4:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

I heard he was being transferred to Hawaii, not fired.
The transfer is probably off now.


From: Eric Kuhnke via Af 
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 4:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

considering they found him underneath a table with a knife in hand actively 
trying to cut his own throat, i think being fired is the least of that guy's 
problems right now.


On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af  wrote:

  Harris employee.  Fired now

  Jaime Solorza

  On Sep 29, 2014 3:36 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af" 
 wrote:

Oh yeah,


I'm in Chicago for a few days.  Flew in on thursday before this happened.   
My wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there 
were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically 
includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin.  
Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days.


That's the big news here.

-forrest


On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:

  Anyone see this?

  
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE

  
http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP



  On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, 
controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. 
The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to 
cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC 
ZERO.

  ZAU is the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center 
(ARTCC), which covers northern Illinois and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, 
western Iowa, and south eastern Michigan. There are two "sides" at an ARTCC. 
ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled 
traffic overflying. Both were amongst the busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was 
busy with traffic from the east to west, as well as European traffic heading to 
Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed in traffic from airports like GYY, 
MKE, RFD, PIA, and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway 
International and O'Hare International, one of the busiest airports in the 
world.

  On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and 
holding full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom 
room, destroying 23 of the 29 rack and disconnecting all the controller 
stations from the associated radars and radio transmitters needed to watch and 
guide traffic through the busy sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU 
duty manager had no choice -- they called ZZZ, the FAA command center and 
reported ATC ZERO -- no controllers available, control center offline.

Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

2014-09-30 Thread James Howard via Af 
Maybe he thought they were going to put him in the lava flow.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

The horrors, Hawaii

From: Ken Hohhof via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 4:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

I heard he was being transferred to Hawaii, not fired.
The transfer is probably off now.


From: Eric Kuhnke via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 4:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Arson attack on FAA datacenter

considering they found him underneath a table with a knife in hand actively 
trying to cut his own throat, i think being fired is the least of that guy's 
problems right now.

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

Harris employee.  Fired now

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 29, 2014 3:36 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Oh yeah,
I'm in Chicago for a few days.  Flew in on thursday before this happened.   My 
wife flew in on Saturday and ended up with a nasty delay in MSP since there 
were very very few flights flying into the affected area, which basically 
includes both chicago airports, and the two airports up in wisconsin.  
Thousands of flights cancelled over the last couple of days.
That's the big news here.

-forrest

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Anyone see this?

http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html#.VCnNuOeXtGE

http://www.metafilter.com/143174/ATCSCC-ADVZY-020-DCC-ZAU-09-26-2014-ZAU-GROUND-STOP



On Friday, ATCSCC Advisory 20 of 26-Sep-2014 went out. When operators, 
controllers and airport managers saw the title, a gasp of disbelief was heard. 
The problem was simple enough to state in three words, and complex enough to 
cancel thousand of flights and cost hundred of millions of dollars: ZAU ATC 
ZERO<http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=20&adv_date=09262014&facId=DCC/ZAU&title=ZAU+GROUND+STOP&titleDate=09/26/14>.

ZAU<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Air_Route_Traffic_Control_Center> is 
the call sign of the Chicago Air Rout Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), which 
covers<http://www.fly.faa.gov/Information/west/zau/zau.htm> northern Illinois 
and Indiana, southern Wisconsin, western Iowa, and south eastern Michigan. 
There are two "sides" at an ARTCC. ZAU-LO handed traffic destined for airports 
in the covered area, ZAU-HI handled traffic overflying. Both were amongst the 
busiest in the country. ZAU-HI was busy with traffic from the east to west, as 
well as European traffic heading to Houston and Dallas-FW, ZAU-LO had to feed 
in traffic from airports like 
GYY<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary/Chicago_International_Airport>, 
MKE<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Mitchell_International_Airport>, 
RFD<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Rockford_International_Airport>, 
PIA<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Wayne_A._Downing_Peoria_International_Airport>,
 and the two busiest airports in the area; Chicago Midway 
International<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Midway_International_Airport>
 and O'Hare 
International<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Hare_International_Airport>, one 
of the busiest airports in the world.

On Friday morning, Brian Howard, a contract employee of the FAA and holding 
full credentials to the ZAU datacenters, set a fire in the telecom room, 
destroying 23 of the 
29<http://posttrib.suntimes.com/30167722-537/flight-delays-to-continue-after-arson.html>
 rack and disconnecting all the controller stations from the associated radars 
and radio transmitters needed to watch and guide traffic through the busy 
sector. As the consoles dropped offline, the ZAU duty manager had no choice -- 
they called ZZZ, the FAA command 
center<http://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/usmap.jsp> and reported ATC ZERO -- no 
controllers available, control center offline.



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