Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
haha, traumatized at a young age by wireless. FWIW, he appears on a Youtube video from a few years back. Seems like your typical nerdy kid who becomes a flamethrower-wielding asshole in his online persona. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9-90P58edQ From: Glen Waldrop Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Certain people get to be assholes. The genius engineer who fixes the unfixable, the guy who gets you the budget dollars you need, and management. Has this guy earned his asshole-aura or is he an entitled management shit? No idea. That being said, he's had a bad experience with wireless and it shows. I'm thinking... The sun comes up on a red brick house, young Adam Armstrong and his family having breakfast before starting their day Adam: Why do you look so sad daddy? You're quiet this morning... Dad(Frank): Well Adam, daddy is probably going to be losing his job. Mom(Cheryl): Frank... Dad: No, it's fine. He can take it. You see Adam, some times things in life don't work out. No matter how hard you try, how many cables you terminate, it just isn't good enough. Adam: But you work so hard! You're always talking about cats! Dad: I know, Adam. But the young guys come in...they don't need cats, they don't need the cables I've spent my life auto-negotiating. They just need this new...wireless crap... Adam: Wireless?! That's neat! Dad: NO IT'S NOT ADAM! IT'S NOT NEAT. YOU CAN'T CONTROL WIRELESS. IT BOUNCES OFF STUFF...DID YOU KNOW THAT?! Mom: That's enough, Frank! Dad: I'm sorry...I didn't mean to yell. It's just...we won't be able to go to Six Flags this year but I suppose work will come back. I mean, I'll always have the data center...right? and scene - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/31rbir/goodbye_observium/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 1:56 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: And it is pretty good stuff too. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:55 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS In related news, PRTG apparently is now free up to 100 sensors. -Original Message- From: Paul Stewart Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS So this guy doesn't realize that by complaining about a customer base he clearly doesn't want, that he effects the opinion of folks who already own his product or might be looking at his product? Given his public bitching about a certain market share that he clearly doesn't understand anything about, I will not be providing him *anymore* business - that's for sure! Why would I want to associate myself with an immature, unprofessional, little kid ? -p -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Observium Connoisseur Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum. Its an EPIC meltdown. The guy has just literally lost his marbles. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam-Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3 Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice entry post by Adam. I guess we are irrelevant... -- Let me put this another way. You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively effect me, but it has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, has lost all interest in catering to your requirements. It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less than 1% of our user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had the best sales day today that we've had in the past 30 days. At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and deciding to inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves because you don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it hurts you to a level of which I would be incable whilst having no negative effects on those WISPs. Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic failures at comprehending words that I'm not at all surprised that this nonsense happened. Have fun cutting off your nose to spite your face! - Original Message - From: Glen Waldrop gwl
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum. Its an EPIC meltdown. The guy has just literally lost his marbles. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam-Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3 Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice entry post by Adam. I guess we are irrelevant... -- Let me put this another way. You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively effect me, but it has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, has lost all interest in catering to your requirements. It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less than 1% of our user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had the best sales day today that we've had in the past 30 days. At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and deciding to inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves because you don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it hurts you to a level of which I would be incable whilst having no negative effects on those WISPs. Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic failures at comprehending words that I'm not at all surprised that this nonsense happened. Have fun cutting off your nose to spite your face! - Original Message - From: Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:19:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches - Original Message - From: That One Guy /sarcasm To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I like this observium guy On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint. That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked. We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us are the client from hell. What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming from... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:18:33] While I completely understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period... wasn't that a bit of an overreaction? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking idea [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:05] I don't, it's true. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:06] these people will not take no for an answer [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:07] they go on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:08] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:09] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:10] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, look away from the screen? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS OF USERS, PLZ [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:32] couldn't you? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to pay. if he doesn't, ignore? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:46] oh, they all say they want to pay [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:49] Ah. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:10] but when they realise it costs more than $5... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:20:15] Right. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:48] whot hink it's totally justified that we support evey bit of shitty kit they have [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:51] fucking wireless vendors [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:00] every new MODEL they release has to come with an entirely new set of mibs [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:04] it's ridiculous [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:21:11] You're a victim of your own success. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:23] and none of these people will ever listen when you tell them [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:32] adn they just keep coming back and coming back
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
In related news, PRTG apparently is now free up to 100 sensors. -Original Message- From: Paul Stewart Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS So this guy doesn't realize that by complaining about a customer base he clearly doesn't want, that he effects the opinion of folks who already own his product or might be looking at his product? Given his public bitching about a certain market share that he clearly doesn't understand anything about, I will not be providing him *anymore* business - that's for sure! Why would I want to associate myself with an immature, unprofessional, little kid ? -p -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Observium Connoisseur Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum. Its an EPIC meltdown. The guy has just literally lost his marbles. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam-Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3 Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice entry post by Adam. I guess we are irrelevant... -- Let me put this another way. You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively effect me, but it has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, has lost all interest in catering to your requirements. It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less than 1% of our user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had the best sales day today that we've had in the past 30 days. At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and deciding to inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves because you don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it hurts you to a level of which I would be incable whilst having no negative effects on those WISPs. Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic failures at comprehending words that I'm not at all surprised that this nonsense happened. Have fun cutting off your nose to spite your face! - Original Message - From: Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:19:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches - Original Message - From: That One Guy /sarcasm To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I like this observium guy On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint. That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked. We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us are the client from hell. What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming from... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:18:33] While I completely understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period... wasn't that a bit of an overreaction? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking idea [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:05] I don't, it's true. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:06] these people will not take no for an answer [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:07] they go on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:08] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:09] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:10] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, look away from the screen? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS OF USERS, PLZ [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:32] couldn't you? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to pay. if he doesn't, ignore? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:46] oh, they all say they want to pay [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:49] Ah. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
So this guy doesn't realize that by complaining about a customer base he clearly doesn't want, that he effects the opinion of folks who already own his product or might be looking at his product? Given his public bitching about a certain market share that he clearly doesn't understand anything about, I will not be providing him *anymore* business - that's for sure! Why would I want to associate myself with an immature, unprofessional, little kid ? -p -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Observium Connoisseur Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum. Its an EPIC meltdown. The guy has just literally lost his marbles. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam-Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3 Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice entry post by Adam. I guess we are irrelevant... -- Let me put this another way. You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively effect me, but it has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, has lost all interest in catering to your requirements. It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less than 1% of our user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had the best sales day today that we've had in the past 30 days. At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and deciding to inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves because you don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it hurts you to a level of which I would be incable whilst having no negative effects on those WISPs. Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic failures at comprehending words that I'm not at all surprised that this nonsense happened. Have fun cutting off your nose to spite your face! - Original Message - From: Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:19:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches - Original Message - From: That One Guy /sarcasm To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I like this observium guy On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint. That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked. We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us are the client from hell. What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming from... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:18:33] While I completely understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period... wasn't that a bit of an overreaction? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking idea [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:05] I don't, it's true. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:06] these people will not take no for an answer [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:07] they go on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:08] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:09] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:10] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, look away from the screen? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS OF USERS, PLZ [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:32] couldn't you? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to pay. if he doesn't, ignore? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:46] oh, they all say they want to pay [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:49] Ah. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:10] but when they realise it costs more than $5... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:20:15] Right. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to be rammed full of overly entitled
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
And it is pretty good stuff too. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:55 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS In related news, PRTG apparently is now free up to 100 sensors. -Original Message- From: Paul Stewart Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS So this guy doesn't realize that by complaining about a customer base he clearly doesn't want, that he effects the opinion of folks who already own his product or might be looking at his product? Given his public bitching about a certain market share that he clearly doesn't understand anything about, I will not be providing him *anymore* business - that's for sure! Why would I want to associate myself with an immature, unprofessional, little kid ? -p -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Observium Connoisseur Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum. Its an EPIC meltdown. The guy has just literally lost his marbles. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam-Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3 Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice entry post by Adam. I guess we are irrelevant... -- Let me put this another way. You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively effect me, but it has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, has lost all interest in catering to your requirements. It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less than 1% of our user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had the best sales day today that we've had in the past 30 days. At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and deciding to inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves because you don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it hurts you to a level of which I would be incable whilst having no negative effects on those WISPs. Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic failures at comprehending words that I'm not at all surprised that this nonsense happened. Have fun cutting off your nose to spite your face! - Original Message - From: Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:19:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches - Original Message - From: That One Guy /sarcasm To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I like this observium guy On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint. That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked. We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us are the client from hell. What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming from... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:18:33] While I completely understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period... wasn't that a bit of an overreaction? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking idea [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:05] I don't, it's true. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:06] these people will not take no for an answer [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:07] they go on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:08] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:09] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:10] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, look away from the screen? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS OF USERS, PLZ [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:32] couldn't you? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to pay. if he doesn't, ignore? [2015-04-04T01
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Not only that, folks not from this market will find this content when googling the product. I would never buy anything from anyone that acted like he did. His rant will never go away. -Original Message- From: Paul Stewart Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:49 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS So this guy doesn't realize that by complaining about a customer base he clearly doesn't want, that he effects the opinion of folks who already own his product or might be looking at his product? Given his public bitching about a certain market share that he clearly doesn't understand anything about, I will not be providing him *anymore* business - that's for sure! Why would I want to associate myself with an immature, unprofessional, little kid ? -p -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Observium Connoisseur Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum. Its an EPIC meltdown. The guy has just literally lost his marbles. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam-Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3 Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice entry post by Adam. I guess we are irrelevant... -- Let me put this another way. You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively effect me, but it has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, has lost all interest in catering to your requirements. It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less than 1% of our user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had the best sales day today that we've had in the past 30 days. At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and deciding to inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves because you don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it hurts you to a level of which I would be incable whilst having no negative effects on those WISPs. Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic failures at comprehending words that I'm not at all surprised that this nonsense happened. Have fun cutting off your nose to spite your face! - Original Message - From: Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:19:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches - Original Message - From: That One Guy /sarcasm To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I like this observium guy On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint. That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked. We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us are the client from hell. What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming from... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:18:33] While I completely understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period... wasn't that a bit of an overreaction? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking idea [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:05] I don't, it's true. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:06] these people will not take no for an answer [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:07] they go on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:08] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:09] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:10] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, look away from the screen? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS OF USERS, PLZ [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:32] couldn't you? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to pay. if he doesn't, ignore? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:46] oh
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/31rbir/goodbye_observium/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 1:56 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: And it is pretty good stuff too. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:55 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS In related news, PRTG apparently is now free up to 100 sensors. -Original Message- From: Paul Stewart Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS So this guy doesn't realize that by complaining about a customer base he clearly doesn't want, that he effects the opinion of folks who already own his product or might be looking at his product? Given his public bitching about a certain market share that he clearly doesn't understand anything about, I will not be providing him *anymore* business - that's for sure! Why would I want to associate myself with an immature, unprofessional, little kid ? -p -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Observium Connoisseur Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum. Its an EPIC meltdown. The guy has just literally lost his marbles. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam- Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3 Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice entry post by Adam. I guess we are irrelevant... -- Let me put this another way. You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively effect me, but it has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, has lost all interest in catering to your requirements. It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less than 1% of our user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had the best sales day today that we've had in the past 30 days. At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and deciding to inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves because you don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it hurts you to a level of which I would be incable whilst having no negative effects on those WISPs. Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic failures at comprehending words that I'm not at all surprised that this nonsense happened. Have fun cutting off your nose to spite your face! - Original Message - From: Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:19:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches - Original Message - From: That One Guy /sarcasm To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I like this observium guy On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint. That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked. We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us are the client from hell. What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming from... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:18:33] While I completely understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period... wasn't that a bit of an overreaction? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking idea [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:05] I don't, it's true. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:06] these people will not take no for an answer [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:07] they go on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:08] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:09] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:10] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:20
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
They refer to him as Adama. As in Commander Adama from Battlestar Galactica? From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 9:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/31rbir/goodbye_observium/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 1:56 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: And it is pretty good stuff too. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:55 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS In related news, PRTG apparently is now free up to 100 sensors. -Original Message- From: Paul Stewart Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS So this guy doesn't realize that by complaining about a customer base he clearly doesn't want, that he effects the opinion of folks who already own his product or might be looking at his product? Given his public bitching about a certain market share that he clearly doesn't understand anything about, I will not be providing him *anymore* business - that's for sure! Why would I want to associate myself with an immature, unprofessional, little kid ? -p -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Observium Connoisseur Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum. Its an EPIC meltdown. The guy has just literally lost his marbles. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam-Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3 Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice entry post by Adam. I guess we are irrelevant... -- Let me put this another way. You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively effect me, but it has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, has lost all interest in catering to your requirements. It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less than 1% of our user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had the best sales day today that we've had in the past 30 days. At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and deciding to inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves because you don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it hurts you to a level of which I would be incable whilst having no negative effects on those WISPs. Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic failures at comprehending words that I'm not at all surprised that this nonsense happened. Have fun cutting off your nose to spite your face! - Original Message - From: Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:19:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches - Original Message - From: That One Guy /sarcasm To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I like this observium guy On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint. That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked. We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us are the client from hell. What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming from... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:18:33] While I completely understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period... wasn't that a bit of an overreaction? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking idea [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:05] I don't, it's true. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:06] these people will not take
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Ha, Ken you crack me up almost every day. I love it. On 4/7/2015 9:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: They refer to him as Adama. As in Commander Adama from Battlestar Galactica? *From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, April 07, 2015 9:39 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/31rbir/goodbye_observium/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 1:56 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: And it is pretty good stuff too. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:55 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS In related news, PRTG apparently is now free up to 100 sensors. -Original Message- From: Paul Stewart Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:49 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS So this guy doesn't realize that by complaining about a customer base he clearly doesn't want, that he effects the opinion of folks who already own his product or might be looking at his product? Given his public bitching about a certain market share that he clearly doesn't understand anything about, I will not be providing him *anymore* business - that's for sure! Why would I want to associate myself with an immature, unprofessional, little kid ? -p -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Observium Connoisseur Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:43 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum. Its an EPIC meltdown. The guy has just literally lost his marbles. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam-Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3 Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice entry post by Adam. I guess we are irrelevant... -- Let me put this another way. You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively effect me, but it has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, has lost all interest in catering to your requirements. It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less than 1% of our user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had the best sales day today that we've had in the past 30 days. At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and deciding to inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves because you don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it hurts you to a level of which I would be incable whilst having no negative effects on those WISPs. Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic failures at comprehending words that I'm not at all surprised that this nonsense happened. Have fun cutting off your nose to spite your face! - Original Message - From: Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:19:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches - Original Message - From: That One Guy /sarcasm To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I like this observium guy On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net mailto:j...@tapodi.net wrote: Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint. That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Certain people get to be assholes. The genius engineer who fixes the unfixable, the guy who gets you the budget dollars you need, and management. Has this guy earned his asshole-aura or is he an entitled management shit? No idea. That being said, he's had a bad experience with wireless and it shows. I'm thinking... The sun comes up on a red brick house, young Adam Armstrong and his family having breakfast before starting their day Adam: Why do you look so sad daddy? You're quiet this morning... Dad(Frank): Well Adam, daddy is probably going to be losing his job. Mom(Cheryl): Frank... Dad: No, it's fine. He can take it. You see Adam, some times things in life don't work out. No matter how hard you try, how many cables you terminate, it just isn't good enough. Adam: But you work so hard! You're always talking about cats! Dad: I know, Adam. But the young guys come in...they don't need cats, they don't need the cables I've spent my life auto-negotiating. They just need this new...wireless crap... Adam: Wireless?! That's neat! Dad: NO IT'S NOT ADAM! IT'S NOT NEAT. YOU CAN'T CONTROL WIRELESS. IT BOUNCES OFF STUFF...DID YOU KNOW THAT?! Mom: That's enough, Frank! Dad: I'm sorry...I didn't mean to yell. It's just...we won't be able to go to Six Flags this year but I suppose work will come back. I mean, I'll always have the data center...right? and scene - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/31rbir/goodbye_observium/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 1:56 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: And it is pretty good stuff too. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:55 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS In related news, PRTG apparently is now free up to 100 sensors. -Original Message- From: Paul Stewart Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS So this guy doesn't realize that by complaining about a customer base he clearly doesn't want, that he effects the opinion of folks who already own his product or might be looking at his product? Given his public bitching about a certain market share that he clearly doesn't understand anything about, I will not be providing him *anymore* business - that's for sure! Why would I want to associate myself with an immature, unprofessional, little kid ? -p -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Observium Connoisseur Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum. Its an EPIC meltdown. The guy has just literally lost his marbles. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam-Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3 Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice entry post by Adam. I guess we are irrelevant... -- Let me put this another way. You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively effect me, but it has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, has lost all interest in catering to your requirements. It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less than 1% of our user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had the best sales day today that we've had in the past 30 days. At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and deciding to inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves because you don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it hurts you to a level of which I would be incable whilst having no negative effects on those WISPs. Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic failures at comprehending words that I'm not at all surprised that this nonsense happened. Have fun cutting off your nose to spite your face! - Original Message - From: Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:19:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches - Original Message - From: That One Guy
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
No trust me he went off on his own like a 12 year old kid. I in no way was badgering him or anything of the like. I offered to send him some radios and ap's about 6 months ago to see if he'd be willing to look at them. He didn't want them. But I saw he was adding trango apex stuff and some cambium support over the last few months which is why I asked him if he would be supporting any more. He just went off on me for no reason. He has said in the past the fact nobody used the same mibs pissed him off but I thought we was taking it one case at a time. I even asked if contributing a couple thousand $$ would help (about 6 months ago) and he just laughed and said he'd take the money but he'll still work on whatever he wanted to. That guy is just a nobody DB who'll end up in a gutter with no friends eventually. Let him continue to lose support in the WISP industry. We've moved on. Libre NMS is a good alternative for the light monitoring we need for some things. It definitely lacks a few features and is a little behind but it does the job. I'm always more willing to be patient and helpful to people who are trying and are open to new ideas/features. - Original Message - From: Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 6:52:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint. That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked. We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us are the client from hell. What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming from... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:18:33] While I completely understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period... wasn't that a bit of an overreaction? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking idea [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:05] I don't, it's true. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:06] these people will not take no for an answer [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:07] they go on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:08] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:09] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:10] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, look away from the screen? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS OF USERS, PLZ [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:32] couldn't you? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to pay. if he doesn't, ignore? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:46] *oh, they all say they want to pay* [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:49] Ah. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:10] *but when they realise it costs more than $5...* [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:20:15] Right. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:48] whot hink it's totally justified that we support evey bit of shitty kit they have [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:51] fucking wireless vendors [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:00] every new MODEL they release has to come with an entirely new set of mibs [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:04] it's ridiculous [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:21:11] You're a victim of your own success. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:23] and none of these people will ever listen when you tell them [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:32] adn they just keep coming back and coming back [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:35] *he's asked here a few times* [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:40] *and we've had these conversations on the mailing list* [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:44] *and god knows what else* [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:02] and you'd think [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:03] when someone says [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:07] fuck off, it's not going to happen [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:13] you'd realise that was, well, that [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:22:53] I guess he really sees the advantages of Observium, and is keen for you to have further market penetration... over your express wishes (-: [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:23:06] no, he's keen to have his own pet hardware supported [2015
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
I haven't thought of elementary school in a long time... lol - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I know you are, but what am I? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOGWbzUM-y8 From: Glen Waldrop Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 2:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches - Original Message - From: That One Guy /sarcasm To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I like this observium guy On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint. That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked. We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us are the client from hell. What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming from... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:18:33] While I completely understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period... wasn't that a bit of an overreaction? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking idea [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:05] I don't, it's true. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:06] these people will not take no for an answer [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:07] they go on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:08] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:09] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:10] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, look away from the screen? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS OF USERS, PLZ [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:32] couldn't you? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to pay. if he doesn't, ignore? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:46] oh, they all say they want to pay [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:49] Ah. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:10] but when they realise it costs more than $5... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:20:15] Right. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:48] whot hink it's totally justified that we support evey bit of shitty kit they have [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:51] fucking wireless vendors [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:00] every new MODEL they release has to come with an entirely new set of mibs [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:04] it's ridiculous [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:21:11] You're a victim of your own success. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:23] and none of these people will ever listen when you tell them [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:32] adn they just keep coming back and coming back [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:35] he's asked here a few times [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:40] and we've had these conversations on the mailing list [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:44] and god knows what else [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:02] and you'd think [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:03] when someone says [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:07] fuck off, it's not going to happen [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:13] you'd realise that was, well, that [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:22:53] I guess he really sees the advantages of Observium, and is keen for you to have further market penetration... over your express wishes (-: [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:23:06] no, he's keen to have his own pet hardware supported [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:23:12] That too. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:23:21] we already support 4 different families of cambium kit [2015-04
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
In the past, I’ve seen them both not want to give quotes for sponsored work, and say that they dislike user submissions because of, and this is my paraphrase, a combination of ‘we always have to clean it up to make it useable’ and ‘not invented here syndrome.’ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 8:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I had got the impression that he didn't even want user contributions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 2:59:53 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS It's more than just OIDs, adding device support involves a fair amount of fiddly little things. Finding/cropping icon, regex to match the OS/device type to handle it correctly, logic to handle the device-specific things, logic to work around whatever they broke in the MIB (remember when Cambium returned strings instead of ints for some counters?). Then more testing. That's what makes Observium more useful out of the box than something like Cacti where you're adding OIDs onesey twosey to device templates. I think a big part of his reaction is, if you watch IRC, for the past few months to years there have been people asking for WISP features and pretty much nobody in a place to write code to do it. My guess is he is time constrained and would rather work on other things (hence non-responsiveness to offers of money) combined with not wanting to deal with what could be perceived as self-entitled communication from some users. The hostile reaction to WISP gear: CMMMicro is a switch that doesn't even use the switch MIB - Work done to support WISP devices doesn't pay off in helping support other Enterprise/Wireline devices. Cambium is extra special because they version the PMP MIB against OS rev instead of starting out with a well-designed MIB as spec and fixing OS to match. The easy way out is to ignore that and use the latest but what happens when Cambium updates something? Bug reports from users on new OS complaining that something doesn't work. You update and now there's bug reports from the users that want to stay on old OS for a while. The hard way? Handle every OS rev differently/code gardening responsibility? You just can't win. I digress So, WISP gear, he doesn't need it and doesn't care. I need it and care so I write what I need. I may not appreciate the politics of Observium but I'm being pragmatic. I contributed what little Cambium PMP device support there is in Observium currently and I have more devices I'd like to see supported. If the time comes that my contributions are turned away I'll look for another monitoring solution, not out of spite but because I need to monitor all the things. There may come a time when I move to LibreNMS. They seem to have openness saying yes down but I want to see how they handle saying no to extraneous things/feature creep beyond monitoring metrics (e.g. if it were me, allow/keep rancid integration but just say no to generalized IPAM). You can't please everyone and who/how they choose to please will be insightful. /I digress On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want to track? I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem like hte OID was such a small part of everything that needed to be done. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: Neil Lathwood neil.lathw...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org wrote: Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :) Some of us may have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy other products you want to support. The donation of equipment is a huge . It wouldn't be necessary to send the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what data is available and work on adding support. Thanks, Neil
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
] @adama [09:27:24] *1086 cambium canopy devices* [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:27:31] *but, ofc, he said they weren't important and not to bother with them* On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 7:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I had got the impression that he didn't even want user contributions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 4, 2015 2:59:53 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS It's more than just OIDs, adding device support involves a fair amount of fiddly little things. Finding/cropping icon, regex to match the OS/device type to handle it correctly, logic to handle the device-specific things, logic to work around whatever they broke in the MIB (remember when Cambium returned strings instead of ints for some counters?). Then more testing. That's what makes Observium more useful out of the box than something like Cacti where you're adding OIDs onesey twosey to device templates. I think a big part of his reaction is, if you watch IRC, for the past few months to years there have been people asking for WISP features and pretty much nobody in a place to write code to do it. My guess is he is time constrained and would rather work on other things (hence non-responsiveness to offers of money) combined with not wanting to deal with what could be perceived as self-entitled communication from some users. The hostile reaction to WISP gear: CMMMicro is a switch that doesn't even use the switch MIB - Work done to support WISP devices doesn't pay off in helping support other Enterprise/Wireline devices. Cambium is extra special because they version the PMP MIB against OS rev instead of starting out with a well-designed MIB as spec and fixing OS to match. The easy way out is to ignore that and use the latest but what happens when Cambium updates something? Bug reports from users on new OS complaining that something doesn't work. You update and now there's bug reports from the users that want to stay on old OS for a while. The hard way? Handle every OS rev differently/code gardening responsibility? You just can't win. I digress So, WISP gear, he doesn't need it and doesn't care. I need it and care so I write what I need. I may not appreciate the politics of Observium but I'm being pragmatic. I contributed what little Cambium PMP device support there is in Observium currently and I have more devices I'd like to see supported. If the time comes that my contributions are turned away I'll look for another monitoring solution, not out of spite but because I need to monitor all the things. There may come a time when I move to LibreNMS. They seem to have openness saying yes down but I want to see how they handle saying no to extraneous things/feature creep beyond monitoring metrics (e.g. if it were me, allow/keep rancid integration but just say no to generalized IPAM). You can't please everyone and who/how they choose to please will be insightful. /I digress On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want to track? I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem like hte OID was such a small part of everything that needed to be done. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Neil Lathwood neil.lathw...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org wrote: Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :) Some of us may have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy other products you want to support. The donation of equipment is a huge . It wouldn't be necessary to send the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what data is available and work on adding support. Thanks, Neil
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
I know you are, but what am I? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOGWbzUM-y8 From: Glen Waldrop Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 2:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches - Original Message - From: That One Guy /sarcasm To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I like this observium guy On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint. That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked. We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us are the client from hell. What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming from... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:18:33] While I completely understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period... wasn't that a bit of an overreaction? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking idea [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:05] I don't, it's true. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:06] these people will not take no for an answer [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:07] they go on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:08] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:09] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:10] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, look away from the screen? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS OF USERS, PLZ [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:32] couldn't you? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to pay. if he doesn't, ignore? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:46] oh, they all say they want to pay [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:49] Ah. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:10] but when they realise it costs more than $5... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:20:15] Right. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:48] whot hink it's totally justified that we support evey bit of shitty kit they have [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:51] fucking wireless vendors [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:00] every new MODEL they release has to come with an entirely new set of mibs [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:04] it's ridiculous [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:21:11] You're a victim of your own success. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:23] and none of these people will ever listen when you tell them [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:32] adn they just keep coming back and coming back [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:35] he's asked here a few times [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:40] and we've had these conversations on the mailing list [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:44] and god knows what else [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:02] and you'd think [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:03] when someone says [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:07] fuck off, it's not going to happen [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:13] you'd realise that was, well, that [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:22:53] I guess he really sees the advantages of Observium, and is keen for you to have further market penetration... over your express wishes (-: [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:23:06] no, he's keen to have his own pet hardware supported [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:23:12] That too. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:23:21] we already support 4 different families of cambium kit [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:23:28] but apparently that doesn't include the devices he has [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:23:44] and i'm sure if i checked, we'd only have like 2-3 users using cambium kit [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:24:52] You could spend a few dozen man months of eye-straining, back-breaking labour adding in some
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Personally? I don't think there's anything there's anything that justifies his reactions and behavior. He wrote some semi useful code, he didn't discover the missing link, sequence the genome, or cure Ebola. F*%k 'em. There's enough cases of over-inflated self importance in the world. On April 3, 2015 11:59:53 PM AKDT, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: It's more than just OIDs, adding device support involves a fair amount of fiddly little things. Finding/cropping icon, regex to match the OS/device type to handle it correctly, logic to handle the device-specific things, logic to work around whatever they broke in the MIB (remember when Cambium returned strings instead of ints for some counters?). Then more testing. That's what makes Observium more useful out of the box than something like Cacti where you're adding OIDs onesey twosey to device templates. I think a big part of his reaction is, if you watch IRC, for the past few months to years there have been people asking for WISP features and pretty much nobody in a place to write code to do it. My guess is he is time constrained and would rather work on other things (hence non-responsiveness to offers of money) combined with not wanting to deal with what could be perceived as self-entitled communication from some users. The hostile reaction to WISP gear: CMMMicro is a switch that doesn't even use the switch MIB - Work done to support WISP devices doesn't pay off in helping support other Enterprise/Wireline devices. Cambium is extra special because they version the PMP MIB against OS rev instead of starting out with a well-designed MIB as spec and fixing OS to match. The easy way out is to ignore that and use the latest but what happens when Cambium updates something? Bug reports from users on new OS complaining that something doesn't work. You update and now there's bug reports from the users that want to stay on old OS for a while. The hard way? Handle every OS rev differently/code gardening responsibility? You just can't win. I digress So, WISP gear, he doesn't need it and doesn't care. I need it and care so I write what I need. I may not appreciate the politics of Observium but I'm being pragmatic. I contributed what little Cambium PMP device support there is in Observium currently and I have more devices I'd like to see supported. If the time comes that my contributions are turned away I'll look for another monitoring solution, not out of spite but because I need to monitor all the things. There may come a time when I move to LibreNMS. They seem to have openness saying yes down but I want to see how they handle saying no to extraneous things/feature creep beyond monitoring metrics (e.g. if it were me, allow/keep rancid integration but just say no to generalized IPAM). You can't please everyone and who/how they choose to please will be insightful. /I digress On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want to track? I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem like hte OID was such a small part of everything that needed to be done. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Neil Lathwood neil.lathw...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org wrote: Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :) Some of us may have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy other products you want to support. The donation of equipment is a huge . It wouldn't be necessary to send the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what data is available and work on adding support. Thanks, Neil -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Dang, editing that on mobile during a really good horror movie really killed some of the impact I had hoped it would have. Oh well. If anyone here gets a chance to watch The Babadook, give it a go. It's excellent! On April 4, 2015 12:07:55 AM AKDT, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Personally? I don't think there's anything there's anything that justifies his reactions and behavior. He wrote some semi useful code, he didn't discover the missing link, sequence the genome, or cure Ebola. F*%k 'em. There's enough cases of over-inflated self importance in the world. On April 3, 2015 11:59:53 PM AKDT, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: It's more than just OIDs, adding device support involves a fair amount of fiddly little things. Finding/cropping icon, regex to match the OS/device type to handle it correctly, logic to handle the device-specific things, logic to work around whatever they broke in the MIB (remember when Cambium returned strings instead of ints for some counters?). Then more testing. That's what makes Observium more useful out of the box than something like Cacti where you're adding OIDs onesey twosey to device templates. I think a big part of his reaction is, if you watch IRC, for the past few months to years there have been people asking for WISP features and pretty much nobody in a place to write code to do it. My guess is he is time constrained and would rather work on other things (hence non-responsiveness to offers of money) combined with not wanting to deal with what could be perceived as self-entitled communication from some users. The hostile reaction to WISP gear: CMMMicro is a switch that doesn't even use the switch MIB - Work done to support WISP devices doesn't pay off in helping support other Enterprise/Wireline devices. Cambium is extra special because they version the PMP MIB against OS rev instead of starting out with a well-designed MIB as spec and fixing OS to match. The easy way out is to ignore that and use the latest but what happens when Cambium updates something? Bug reports from users on new OS complaining that something doesn't work. You update and now there's bug reports from the users that want to stay on old OS for a while. The hard way? Handle every OS rev differently/code gardening responsibility? You just can't win. I digress So, WISP gear, he doesn't need it and doesn't care. I need it and care so I write what I need. I may not appreciate the politics of Observium but I'm being pragmatic. I contributed what little Cambium PMP device support there is in Observium currently and I have more devices I'd like to see supported. If the time comes that my contributions are turned away I'll look for another monitoring solution, not out of spite but because I need to monitor all the things. There may come a time when I move to LibreNMS. They seem to have openness saying yes down but I want to see how they handle saying no to extraneous things/feature creep beyond monitoring metrics (e.g. if it were me, allow/keep rancid integration but just say no to generalized IPAM). You can't please everyone and who/how they choose to please will be insightful. /I digress On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want to track? I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem like hte OID was such a small part of everything that needed to be done. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Neil Lathwood neil.lathw...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org wrote: Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :) Some of us may have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy other products you want to support. The donation of equipment is a huge . It wouldn't be necessary to send the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what data is available and work on adding support. Thanks, Neil -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
It's more than just OIDs, adding device support involves a fair amount of fiddly little things. Finding/cropping icon, regex to match the OS/device type to handle it correctly, logic to handle the device-specific things, logic to work around whatever they broke in the MIB (remember when Cambium returned strings instead of ints for some counters?). Then more testing. That's what makes Observium more useful out of the box than something like Cacti where you're adding OIDs onesey twosey to device templates. I think a big part of his reaction is, if you watch IRC, for the past few months to years there have been people asking for WISP features and pretty much nobody in a place to write code to do it. My guess is he is time constrained and would rather work on other things (hence non-responsiveness to offers of money) combined with not wanting to deal with what could be perceived as self-entitled communication from some users. The hostile reaction to WISP gear: CMMMicro is a switch that doesn't even use the switch MIB - Work done to support WISP devices doesn't pay off in helping support other Enterprise/Wireline devices. Cambium is extra special because they version the PMP MIB against OS rev instead of starting out with a well-designed MIB as spec and fixing OS to match. The easy way out is to ignore that and use the latest but what happens when Cambium updates something? Bug reports from users on new OS complaining that something doesn't work. You update and now there's bug reports from the users that want to stay on old OS for a while. The hard way? Handle every OS rev differently/code gardening responsibility? You just can't win. I digress So, WISP gear, he doesn't need it and doesn't care. I need it and care so I write what I need. I may not appreciate the politics of Observium but I'm being pragmatic. I contributed what little Cambium PMP device support there is in Observium currently and I have more devices I'd like to see supported. If the time comes that my contributions are turned away I'll look for another monitoring solution, not out of spite but because I need to monitor all the things. There may come a time when I move to LibreNMS. They seem to have openness saying yes down but I want to see how they handle saying no to extraneous things/feature creep beyond monitoring metrics (e.g. if it were me, allow/keep rancid integration but just say no to generalized IPAM). You can't please everyone and who/how they choose to please will be insightful. /I digress On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want to track? I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem like hte OID was such a small part of everything that needed to be done. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Neil Lathwood neil.lathw...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org wrote: Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :) Some of us may have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy other products you want to support. The donation of equipment is a huge . It wouldn't be necessary to send the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what data is available and work on adding support. Thanks, Neil
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
I had got the impression that he didn't even want user contributions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 2:59:53 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS It's more than just OIDs, adding device support involves a fair amount of fiddly little things. Finding/cropping icon, regex to match the OS/device type to handle it correctly, logic to handle the device-specific things, logic to work around whatever they broke in the MIB (remember when Cambium returned strings instead of ints for some counters?). Then more testing. That's what makes Observium more useful out of the box than something like Cacti where you're adding OIDs onesey twosey to device templates. I think a big part of his reaction is, if you watch IRC, for the past few months to years there have been people asking for WISP features and pretty much nobody in a place to write code to do it. My guess is he is time constrained and would rather work on other things (hence non-responsiveness to offers of money) combined with not wanting to deal with what could be perceived as self-entitled communication from some users. The hostile reaction to WISP gear: CMMMicro is a switch that doesn't even use the switch MIB - Work done to support WISP devices doesn't pay off in helping support other Enterprise/Wireline devices. Cambium is extra special because they version the PMP MIB against OS rev instead of starting out with a well-designed MIB as spec and fixing OS to match. The easy way out is to ignore that and use the latest but what happens when Cambium updates something? Bug reports from users on new OS complaining that something doesn't work. You update and now there's bug reports from the users that want to stay on old OS for a while. The hard way? Handle every OS rev differently/code gardening responsibility? You just can't win. I digress So, WISP gear, he doesn't need it and doesn't care. I need it and care so I write what I need. I may not appreciate the politics of Observium but I'm being pragmatic. I contributed what little Cambium PMP device support there is in Observium currently and I have more devices I'd like to see supported. If the time comes that my contributions are turned away I'll look for another monitoring solution, not out of spite but because I need to monitor all the things. There may come a time when I move to LibreNMS. They seem to have openness saying yes down but I want to see how they handle saying no to extraneous things/feature creep beyond monitoring metrics (e.g. if it were me, allow/keep rancid integration but just say no to generalized IPAM). You can't please everyone and who/how they choose to please will be insightful. /I digress On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want to track? I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem like hte OID was such a small part of everything that needed to be done. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Neil Lathwood neil.lathw...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org wrote: blockquote Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :) Some of us may have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy other products you want to support. The donation of equipment is a huge . It wouldn't be necessary to send the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what data is available and work on adding support. Thanks, Neil /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
, Apr 4, 2015 at 7:46 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I had got the impression that he didn't even want user contributions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 4, 2015 2:59:53 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS It's more than just OIDs, adding device support involves a fair amount of fiddly little things. Finding/cropping icon, regex to match the OS/device type to handle it correctly, logic to handle the device-specific things, logic to work around whatever they broke in the MIB (remember when Cambium returned strings instead of ints for some counters?). Then more testing. That's what makes Observium more useful out of the box than something like Cacti where you're adding OIDs onesey twosey to device templates. I think a big part of his reaction is, if you watch IRC, for the past few months to years there have been people asking for WISP features and pretty much nobody in a place to write code to do it. My guess is he is time constrained and would rather work on other things (hence non-responsiveness to offers of money) combined with not wanting to deal with what could be perceived as self-entitled communication from some users. The hostile reaction to WISP gear: CMMMicro is a switch that doesn't even use the switch MIB - Work done to support WISP devices doesn't pay off in helping support other Enterprise/Wireline devices. Cambium is extra special because they version the PMP MIB against OS rev instead of starting out with a well-designed MIB as spec and fixing OS to match. The easy way out is to ignore that and use the latest but what happens when Cambium updates something? Bug reports from users on new OS complaining that something doesn't work. You update and now there's bug reports from the users that want to stay on old OS for a while. The hard way? Handle every OS rev differently/code gardening responsibility? You just can't win. I digress So, WISP gear, he doesn't need it and doesn't care. I need it and care so I write what I need. I may not appreciate the politics of Observium but I'm being pragmatic. I contributed what little Cambium PMP device support there is in Observium currently and I have more devices I'd like to see supported. If the time comes that my contributions are turned away I'll look for another monitoring solution, not out of spite but because I need to monitor all the things. There may come a time when I move to LibreNMS. They seem to have openness saying yes down but I want to see how they handle saying no to extraneous things/feature creep beyond monitoring metrics (e.g. if it were me, allow/keep rancid integration but just say no to generalized IPAM). You can't please everyone and who/how they choose to please will be insightful. /I digress On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want to track? I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem like hte OID was such a small part of everything that needed to be done. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Neil Lathwood neil.lathw...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org wrote: Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :) Some of us may have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy other products you want to support. The donation of equipment is a huge . It wouldn't be necessary to send the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what data is available and work on adding support. Thanks, Neil
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
I stopped caring about Observium when someone said it wouldn’t monitor something by IP address, it required both forward and reverse DNS. Even though Mike tried to defend that. It’s “Soup Nazi” logic. Everything else in the world accepts an IP address in place of a hostname, I suspect you have to write extra code to NOT do that. From: Jon Auer Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2015 5:52 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint. That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked. We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us are the client from hell. What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming from... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:18:33] While I completely understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period... wasn't that a bit of an overreaction? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking idea [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:05] I don't, it's true. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:06] these people will not take no for an answer [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:07] they go on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:08] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:09] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:10] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, look away from the screen? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS OF USERS, PLZ [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:32] couldn't you? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to pay. if he doesn't, ignore? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:46] oh, they all say they want to pay [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:49] Ah. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:10] but when they realise it costs more than $5... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:20:15] Right. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:48] whot hink it's totally justified that we support evey bit of shitty kit they have [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:51] fucking wireless vendors [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:00] every new MODEL they release has to come with an entirely new set of mibs [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:04] it's ridiculous [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:21:11] You're a victim of your own success. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:23] and none of these people will ever listen when you tell them [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:32] adn they just keep coming back and coming back [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:35] he's asked here a few times [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:40] and we've had these conversations on the mailing list [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:44] and god knows what else [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:02] and you'd think [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:03] when someone says [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:07] fuck off, it's not going to happen [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:13] you'd realise that was, well, that [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:22:53] I guess he really sees the advantages of Observium, and is keen for you to have further market penetration... over your express wishes (-: [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:23:06] no, he's keen to have his own pet hardware supported [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:23:12] That too. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:23:21] we already support 4 different families of cambium kit [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:23:28] but apparently that doesn't include the devices he has [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:23:44] and i'm sure if i checked, we'd only have like 2-3 users using cambium kit [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:24:52] You could spend a few dozen man months of eye-straining, back-breaking labour adding in some kind of horribly complex and fucked up extensible API for 3rd party MIBs, and then telling people they can add whatever the fuck support/devices they like, but there's no support for it. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:25:06] or not [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:25:14] Party-pooper. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:25:39] And people said you were a nice guy
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Fair enough, there are soup nazi aspects, though I've come to appreciate them after I got past my initial surprise. Ports that are enabled but unused being in alarm was the big one for me. Also, it does not require reverse DNS, only forward. I suspect syslog collection needs reverse DNS to match up with hosts but I don't use that... There are good non-soup-nazi reasons to require hostnames as identifiers instead of IPs, not the least of which is if you're using IPs now you make IPv6 compatability a problem. I could go on about the many benefits of hostname as device ID as opposed to IP or integer but I'm not trying to sell anything :) On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I stopped caring about Observium when someone said it wouldn’t monitor something by IP address, it required both forward and reverse DNS. Even though Mike tried to defend that. It’s “Soup Nazi” logic. Everything else in the world accepts an IP address in place of a hostname, I suspect you have to write extra code to NOT do that. *From:* Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net *Sent:* Saturday, April 04, 2015 5:52 PM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint. That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked. We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us are the client from hell. What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming from... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:18:33] While I completely understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period... wasn't that a bit of an overreaction? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking idea [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:05] I don't, it's true. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:06] these people will not take no for an answer [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:07] they go on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:08] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:09] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:10] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, look away from the screen? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS OF USERS, PLZ [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:32] couldn't you? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to pay. if he doesn't, ignore? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:46] *oh, they all say they want to pay* [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:49] Ah. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:10] *but when they realise it costs more than $5...* [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:20:15] Right. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:48] whot hink it's totally justified that we support evey bit of shitty kit they have [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:51] fucking wireless vendors [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:00] every new MODEL they release has to come with an entirely new set of mibs [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:04] it's ridiculous [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:21:11] You're a victim of your own success. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:23] and none of these people will ever listen when you tell them [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:32] adn they just keep coming back and coming back [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:35] *he's asked here a few times* [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:40] *and we've had these conversations on the mailing list* [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:44] *and god knows what else* [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:02] and you'd think [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:03] when someone says [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:07] fuck off, it's not going to happen [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:13] you'd realise that was, well, that [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:22:53] I guess he really sees the advantages of Observium, and is keen for you to have further market penetration... over your express wishes (-: [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:23:06] no, he's keen to have his own pet hardware supported [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:23:12] That too. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Jon, Simply disable alerting on those ports. Problem solved. This is how you configure access switches that frequently have things plugged in / unplugged but you still want metrics when they are active. On April 4, 2015 3:22:05 PM AKDT, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Fair enough, there are soup nazi aspects, though I've come to appreciate them after I got past my initial surprise. Ports that are enabled but unused being in alarm was the big one for me. Also, it does not require reverse DNS, only forward. I suspect syslog collection needs reverse DNS to match up with hosts but I don't use that... There are good non-soup-nazi reasons to require hostnames as identifiers instead of IPs, not the least of which is if you're using IPs now you make IPv6 compatability a problem. I could go on about the many benefits of hostname as device ID as opposed to IP or integer but I'm not trying to sell anything :) On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I stopped caring about Observium when someone said it wouldn’t monitor something by IP address, it required both forward and reverse DNS. Even though Mike tried to defend that. It’s “Soup Nazi” logic. Everything else in the world accepts an IP address in place of a hostname, I suspect you have to write extra code to NOT do that. *From:* Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net *Sent:* Saturday, April 04, 2015 5:52 PM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint. That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked. We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us are the client from hell. What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming from... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:18:33] While I completely understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period... wasn't that a bit of an overreaction? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking idea [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:05] I don't, it's true. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:06] these people will not take no for an answer [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:07] they go on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:08] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:09] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:10] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, look away from the screen? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS OF USERS, PLZ [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:32] couldn't you? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to pay. if he doesn't, ignore? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:46] *oh, they all say they want to pay* [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:49] Ah. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:10] *but when they realise it costs more than $5...* [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:20:15] Right. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:48] whot hink it's totally justified that we support evey bit of shitty kit they have [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:51] fucking wireless vendors [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:00] every new MODEL they release has to come with an entirely new set of mibs [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:04] it's ridiculous [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:21:11] You're a victim of your own success. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:23] and none of these people will ever listen when you tell them [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:32] adn they just keep coming back and coming back [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:35] *he's asked here a few times* [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:40] *and we've had these conversations on the mailing list* [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:44] *and god knows what else* [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:02] and you'd think [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:03] when someone says [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:07] fuck off, it's not going to happen [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:13] you'd realise that was, well, that [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:22:53] I guess he really sees the advantages of Observium
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
I can monitor by IP without issue. Always have been able to on multiple installs on multiple networks over several years. On April 4, 2015 3:07:21 PM AKDT, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I stopped caring about Observium when someone said it wouldn’t monitor something by IP address, it required both forward and reverse DNS. Even though Mike tried to defend that. It’s “Soup Nazi” logic. Everything else in the world accepts an IP address in place of a hostname, I suspect you have to write extra code to NOT do that. From: Jon Auer Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2015 5:52 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint. That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked. We've all experienced the client from hell. Thing is, maybe some of us are the client from hell. What happened in IRC after may help understand where he is coming from... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:18:33] While I completely understand that you're the author and shit, and what you say goes. period... wasn't that a bit of an overreaction? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:18:56] BenA: you have no fucking idea [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:05] I don't, it's true. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:06] these people will not take no for an answer [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:07] they go on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:08] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:09] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:10] and on [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:20] Couldn't you just, like, look away from the screen? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:23] BUT MUH SUPPORT, MILLIONS OF USERS, PLZ [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:32] couldn't you? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:38] Ask him if he wants to pay. if he doesn't, ignore? [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:19:46] oh, they all say they want to pay [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:19:49] Ah. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:10] but when they realise it costs more than $5... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:20:15] Right. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:48] whot hink it's totally justified that we support evey bit of shitty kit they have [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:51] fucking wireless vendors [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:00] every new MODEL they release has to come with an entirely new set of mibs [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:04] it's ridiculous [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:21:11] You're a victim of your own success. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:23] and none of these people will ever listen when you tell them [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:32] adn they just keep coming back and coming back [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:35] he's asked here a few times [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:40] and we've had these conversations on the mailing list [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:21:44] and god knows what else [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:02] and you'd think [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:03] when someone says [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:07] fuck off, it's not going to happen [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:22:13] you'd realise that was, well, that [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:22:53] I guess he really sees the advantages of Observium, and is keen for you to have further market penetration... over your express wishes (-: [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:23:06] no, he's keen to have his own pet hardware supported [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:23:12] That too. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:23:21] we already support 4 different families of cambium kit [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:23:28] but apparently that doesn't include the devices he has [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:23:44] and i'm sure if i checked, we'd only have like 2-3 users using cambium kit [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] BenA [09:24:52] You could spend a few dozen man months of eye-straining, back-breaking labour adding in some kind of horribly complex and fucked up extensible API for 3rd party MIBs, and then telling people they can add whatever the fuck support/devices they like, but there's no support for it. [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
I guess I could +100 this or something like that. I’ve been on the manufacturing side long enough that I know any date you give will be wrong. No matter how well you plan, how prepared you are, something will go wrong. Component suppliers you built the entire radio around suddenly go out of business or are acquired, component supplier hits a delivery issue, something doesn’t pass final testing and has to be redesigned, firmware isn’t ready (firmware always seems less predictable than hardware), regulatory changes happen before or while you submit to a lab for approval, a key engineer in the process leaves the company for whatever reason (or dies… seen that too), a strike causes your product or components to be delayed in port (be it air or sea), FCC approvals takes longer than expected (something you can’t control at all)… the list just goes on and on. And any one problem puts the entire process on hold often, as the RD effort is a team effort for sure, and the next engineer in line can’t do their bit unless the person before them completes theirs. There are so many pieces to a radio RD process and then product launch (marketing, inventory, partner training, etc.)… it is crazy. And many of these issues (and often times they are stupid ones) make me want to hit my head against my desk when they happen to me (at either company I worked for). I’m evasive on answers for the same reasons as Ben and Matt, or anyone from any manufacturer. If you give anything as narrow as a month window to deliver something without wiggle room, you’re probably going to be wrong. *** Daniel White - Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com Skype: danieldwhite Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84 *** From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 8:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS ...but you understand why of course. If he assumes the product will pass testing and tells you a date based on that, then it could fail testing and people would be calling him a liar. He could also assume it will fail 5 more times and require 5 cycles of redesign taking over 18 months and give you a date based on thatthen people will complain about how long it takes. Sounds like he doesn't have a direct answer because there isn't one and any answer he gives will be wrong. In which case, the non-answer is the best answer. Not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has taken longer than we expected. We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges That's the thing. It's always some obscure non answer answer. Like a politician. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 2, 2015 10:20 AM, Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com mailto:m...@ubnt.com wrote: Hi Rory, We're not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has taken longer than we expected. We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges after launching NanoBeam and all of them collectively delayed the DFS approvals. The reason I said soon is we're waiting for an ETA on approvals now (they're at the lab now). Once we have a better estimate; we'll share with you. We're very careful about giving dates to you guys ;) At this time it doesn't look like there are any technical reasons the NanoBeams won't be approved for the other UNII bands... I know it's been frustrating for many of you -- it definitely has been for us as well. But it looks like we're almost there... We'll keep everyone updated (unless Gino sees it first). Thanks, Matt On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Matt, the usual reason for not releasing information is that you don’t want your competitors to know what you are doing. I get that. At this point though, Mimosa is sharing it’s release schedules almost a year in advance, and both they and Cambium have had DFS on their WiFi chipsets since release. We have all bought a bunch of the equipment that still doesn’t have DFS, some of it for almost a year and it’s screwed up my ordering and deployment plans. Being secretive has no value whatsoever. Not telling us what you know today is annoying since I can’t make deployment decisions based on “soon”. It’s been “soon” for almost a year. How about some actual facts as you know them. If there are delays, that’s fine but just be honest about the process, that’s all we can expect. If you need more time, just tell us and we can plan accordingly. Did the equipment pass specifications that you believe
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Stuff happens, especially when you are dealing with the government. Whatever the issue was, it’s always more important to get ahead of the issue. One guy that is a controversial public person came out one day and simply laid out all his dirty laundry. He said, I did this and this and this but I’ve cleaned up my life and so on.…. Once he did that, his enemies had nothing left to attack him on and life moved on. He is now highly successful. I have always thought that honesty was the best policy but in the case of a public company, after the lawyers review the language. For example, I’m making it public today, I’m a closet HoHo eater. Yes, I’ve said, it, I love HoHo’sm, especially with skim milk. And I’m working on getting my Ham license. Whew, I’m glad I got that off my chest.See how easy that was. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 8:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Well AF5X got it. Assuming the same compliance manager does both that sounds like a fact that Nbeam wasn't up to par. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 2, 2015 11:04 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.usmailto:se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 4/2/15 7:34 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has taken longer than we expected. We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges That's the thing. It's always some obscure non answer answer. Like a politician. And yet other vendors didn't seem to have such difficulties. Bad design, perhaps? I can see why one vendor wouldn't want to straight up say our design isn't as good as our competitors that were able to pass the required tests. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
On 4/2/15 7:34 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has taken longer than we expected. We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges That's the thing. It's always some obscure non answer answer. Like a politician. And yet other vendors didn't seem to have such difficulties. Bad design, perhaps? I can see why one vendor wouldn't want to straight up say our design isn't as good as our competitors that were able to pass the required tests. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Well AF5X got it. Assuming the same compliance manager does both that sounds like a fact that Nbeam wasn't up to par. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 2, 2015 11:04 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 4/2/15 7:34 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has taken longer than we expected. We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges That's the thing. It's always some obscure non answer answer. Like a politician. And yet other vendors didn't seem to have such difficulties. Bad design, perhaps? I can see why one vendor wouldn't want to straight up say our design isn't as good as our competitors that were able to pass the required tests. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
I like the new name. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 10:26:53 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS If UBNT ever gave a clear target date, actually hit it, and vendors actually had the product on hand when UBNT said they would, the industry would crumble because so many operators had a heart attack at the same time. UBNT is just doing their part to ensure continuity in the industry On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well AF5X got it. Assuming the same compliance manager does both that sounds like a fact that Nbeam wasn't up to par. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 2, 2015 11:04 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: blockquote On 4/2/15 7:34 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: blockquote Not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has taken longer than we expected. We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges That's the thing. It's always some obscure non answer answer. Like a politician. And yet other vendors didn't seem to have such difficulties. Bad design, perhaps? I can see why one vendor wouldn't want to straight up say our design isn't as good as our competitors that were able to pass the required tests. ~Seth /blockquote /blockquote -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
...but you understand why of course. If he assumes the product will
pass testing and tells you a date based on that, then it could fail
testing and people would be calling him a liar. He could also assume it
will fail 5 more times and require 5 cycles of redesign taking over 18
months and give you a date based on thatthen people will complain
about how long it takes.
Sounds like he doesn't have a direct answer because there isn't one and
any answer he gives will be wrong. In which case, the non-answer is the
best answer.
Not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has
taken longer than we expected.
We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges
That's the thing. It's always some obscure non answer answer. Like a
politician.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 2, 2015 10:20 AM, Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com
mailto:m...@ubnt.com wrote:
Hi Rory,
We're not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone
this has taken longer than we expected.
We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges after launching
NanoBeam and all of them collectively delayed the DFS approvals.
The reason I said soon is we're waiting for an ETA on approvals
now (they're at the lab now). Once we have a better estimate;
we'll share with you.
We're very careful about giving dates to you guys ;)
At this time it doesn't look like there are any technical reasons
the NanoBeams won't be approved for the other UNII bands... I know
it's been frustrating for many of you -- it definitely has been
for us as well. But it looks like we're almost there...
We'll keep everyone updated (unless Gino sees it first).
Thanks,
Matt
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Rory Conaway
r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote:
Matt, the usual reason for not releasing information is that
you don’t want your competitors to know what you are doing. I
get that. At this point though, Mimosa is sharing it’s
release schedules almost a year in advance, and both they and
Cambium have had DFS on their WiFi chipsets since release. We
have all bought a bunch of the equipment that still doesn’t
have DFS, some of it for almost a year and it’s screwed up my
ordering and deployment plans. Being secretive has no value
whatsoever. Not telling us what you know today is annoying
since I can’t make deployment decisions based on “soon”.
It’s been “soon” for almost a year. How about some actual
facts as you know them. If there are delays, that’s fine but
just be honest about the process, that’s all we can expect.
If you need more time, just tell us and we can plan
accordingly. Did the equipment pass specifications that you
believe are necessary for DFS certification in the lab and if
so, how much longer does it take to complete the process? If
it didn’t, just let us know and we will accept it and adjust.
I’m really not interested in rumors right now on this
particular subject.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hardy
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 01, 2015 6:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks
of WISPS
v5.6 is getting close, there are rumors of RC/Final release
coming soon ... ;)
For NanoBeam, we did just receive some good news from the lab
this week, so it appears there is light at the end of the
tunnel. I wish I had more I could share, but we'll definitely
keep you updated as we get more info.
Thanks,
Matt
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Bill Prince
part15...@gmail.com mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
How is that going? I've got the 5.6 beta running on a small
selection of subscribers, but I'm not really willing to make
extensive use of it until (if?) it sees the light of day as a
real release.
...and OBTW, what is the ETA on the expanded UNII frequencies
on the nanobeam platform? Given a choice, I would only install
nanobeams these days, except they don't cover all the
frequencies we need. So I grit my teeth and install more (UGH)
nanobridges.
Really wish those boat anchors would go away.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/1/2015 4:29 PM, Matt Hardy wrote:
I have to admit Ubiquiti doesn't have a great track record
of SNMP support (I know I know) ;) -- but we're working on
it. Trying to get it right in v5.6 with our new / custom
MIB. If you guys need devices to test with, we'll
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Hi Rory,
We're not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has
taken longer than we expected.
We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges after launching NanoBeam and
all of them collectively delayed the DFS approvals.
The reason I said soon is we're waiting for an ETA on approvals now
(they're at the lab now). Once we have a better estimate; we'll share with
you.
We're very careful about giving dates to you guys ;)
At this time it doesn't look like there are any technical reasons the
NanoBeams won't be approved for the other UNII bands... I know it's been
frustrating for many of you -- it definitely has been for us as well. But
it looks like we're almost there...
We'll keep everyone updated (unless Gino sees it first).
Thanks,
Matt
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote:
Matt, the usual reason for not releasing information is that you don’t
want your competitors to know what you are doing. I get that. At this
point though, Mimosa is sharing it’s release schedules almost a year in
advance, and both they and Cambium have had DFS on their WiFi chipsets
since release. We have all bought a bunch of the equipment that still
doesn’t have DFS, some of it for almost a year and it’s screwed up my
ordering and deployment plans. Being secretive has no value whatsoever.
Not telling us what you know today is annoying since I can’t make
deployment decisions based on “soon”. It’s been “soon” for almost a year.
How about some actual facts as you know them. If there are delays, that’s
fine but just be honest about the process, that’s all we can expect. If
you need more time, just tell us and we can plan accordingly. Did the
equipment pass specifications that you believe are necessary for DFS
certification in the lab and if so, how much longer does it take to
complete the process? If it didn’t, just let us know and we will accept it
and adjust. I’m really not interested in rumors right now on this
particular subject.
Rory
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hardy
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 01, 2015 6:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
v5.6 is getting close, there are rumors of RC/Final release coming soon
... ;)
For NanoBeam, we did just receive some good news from the lab this week,
so it appears there is light at the end of the tunnel. I wish I had more I
could share, but we'll definitely keep you updated as we get more info.
Thanks,
Matt
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
How is that going? I've got the 5.6 beta running on a small selection of
subscribers, but I'm not really willing to make extensive use of it until
(if?) it sees the light of day as a real release.
...and OBTW, what is the ETA on the expanded UNII frequencies on the
nanobeam platform? Given a choice, I would only install nanobeams these
days, except they don't cover all the frequencies we need. So I grit my
teeth and install more (UGH) nanobridges.
Really wish those boat anchors would go away.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/1/2015 4:29 PM, Matt Hardy wrote:
I have to admit Ubiquiti doesn't have a great track record of SNMP
support (I know I know) ;) -- but we're working on it. Trying to get it
right in v5.6 with our new / custom MIB. If you guys need devices to test
with, we'll be glad to donate a few...
Thanks,
Matt
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:
A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy (and
ever changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is acting the
way that he is. I am -not- making an excuse for his behavior or attitude;
just stating a fact.
Josh
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org wrote:
Just shows you what sort person this guy is. Let him rot in his own
cesspool of hate. He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him that would
benefit a great deal of people, took a half assed stab at it and then said
naw I'm too lazy I don't want to do it.
Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance. I'd like to do it, but its
too hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I can't do it so I
hate all of you.
- Original Message -
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa Connoisseur”? He
likes Wispa candy bars? It seems ironic if he looks down on WISPs.
From: David Milholen
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar code and
is above everyone else when in reality they suck at everything else
and only
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has taken
longer than we expected.
We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges
That's the thing. It's always some obscure non answer answer. Like a
politician.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 2, 2015 10:20 AM, Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com wrote:
Hi Rory,
We're not trying to hide anything, it's pretty clear to everyone this has
taken longer than we expected.
We hit a few unrelated compliance challenges after launching NanoBeam and
all of them collectively delayed the DFS approvals.
The reason I said soon is we're waiting for an ETA on approvals now
(they're at the lab now). Once we have a better estimate; we'll share with
you.
We're very careful about giving dates to you guys ;)
At this time it doesn't look like there are any technical reasons the
NanoBeams won't be approved for the other UNII bands... I know it's been
frustrating for many of you -- it definitely has been for us as well. But
it looks like we're almost there...
We'll keep everyone updated (unless Gino sees it first).
Thanks,
Matt
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net
wrote:
Matt, the usual reason for not releasing information is that you don’t
want your competitors to know what you are doing. I get that. At this
point though, Mimosa is sharing it’s release schedules almost a year in
advance, and both they and Cambium have had DFS on their WiFi chipsets
since release. We have all bought a bunch of the equipment that still
doesn’t have DFS, some of it for almost a year and it’s screwed up my
ordering and deployment plans. Being secretive has no value whatsoever.
Not telling us what you know today is annoying since I can’t make
deployment decisions based on “soon”. It’s been “soon” for almost a year.
How about some actual facts as you know them. If there are delays, that’s
fine but just be honest about the process, that’s all we can expect. If
you need more time, just tell us and we can plan accordingly. Did the
equipment pass specifications that you believe are necessary for DFS
certification in the lab and if so, how much longer does it take to
complete the process? If it didn’t, just let us know and we will accept it
and adjust. I’m really not interested in rumors right now on this
particular subject.
Rory
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hardy
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 01, 2015 6:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
v5.6 is getting close, there are rumors of RC/Final release coming soon
... ;)
For NanoBeam, we did just receive some good news from the lab this week,
so it appears there is light at the end of the tunnel. I wish I had more I
could share, but we'll definitely keep you updated as we get more info.
Thanks,
Matt
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
How is that going? I've got the 5.6 beta running on a small selection of
subscribers, but I'm not really willing to make extensive use of it until
(if?) it sees the light of day as a real release.
...and OBTW, what is the ETA on the expanded UNII frequencies on the
nanobeam platform? Given a choice, I would only install nanobeams these
days, except they don't cover all the frequencies we need. So I grit my
teeth and install more (UGH) nanobridges.
Really wish those boat anchors would go away.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/1/2015 4:29 PM, Matt Hardy wrote:
I have to admit Ubiquiti doesn't have a great track record of SNMP
support (I know I know) ;) -- but we're working on it. Trying to get it
right in v5.6 with our new / custom MIB. If you guys need devices to test
with, we'll be glad to donate a few...
Thanks,
Matt
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:
A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy (and
ever changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is acting the
way that he is. I am -not- making an excuse for his behavior or attitude;
just stating a fact.
Josh
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org wrote:
Just shows you what sort person this guy is. Let him rot in his own
cesspool of hate. He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him that would
benefit a great deal of people, took a half assed stab at it and then said
naw I'm too lazy I don't want to do it.
Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance. I'd like to do it, but its
too hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I can't do it so I
hate all of you.
- Original Message -
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa Connoisseur”? He likes Wispa candy bars? It seems ironic if he looks down on WISPs. From: David Milholen Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar code and is above everyone else when in reality they suck at everything else and only have a decent piece of code nothing more. This is where open source gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that is willing to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws others have made and fix what needs to be fixed. These are the guys who make open source a great place to play. Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy servers are all open source. I dont have a single windows machine in my office now. I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come a long way so now I run it on my Debian console with no issue. all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or Lubuntu on them to allow them to switch between networks quickly. Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min with contract and paid invoice. up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to linux. On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well. It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years ago. He was a tool, but people still bought it because it was the best at what it did. Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a tool, but that's where we're at for now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid the sub) however you want. Belittle industries publically without consequence? Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end? I think its because you are probably the person who paid him to put the Trango Apex code in as well as other things and are invested. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:36:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one person away from his product with his personality. I openly admitted to him his product was great but the lack of flexibility will be his downfall. Nobody will want to do business with a person like this who openly calls you and everything you work for a retard - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:33:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded on something concrete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:09:41 AM Subject: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of wifi people. This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is ghetto. Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. [09:34] Smeghead any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) [09:34] adama are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs for every product? [09:35] adama everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs [09:37] adama
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar code and is above everyone else when in reality they suck at everything else and only have a decent piece of code nothing more. This is where open source gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that is willing to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws others have made and fix what needs to be fixed. These are the guys who make open source a great place to play. Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy servers are all open source. I dont have a single windows machine in my office now. I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come a long way so now I run it on my Debian console with no issue. all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or Lubuntu on them to allow them to switch between networks quickly. Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min with contract and paid invoice. up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to linux. On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well. It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years ago. He was a tool, but people still bought it because it was the best at what it did. Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a tool, but that's where we're at for now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Lists li...@wavedirect.org *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid the sub) however you want. Belittle industries publically without consequence? Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end? I think its because you are probably the person who paid him to put the Trango Apex code in as well as other things and are invested. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Lists li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:36:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one person away from his product with his personality. I openly admitted to him his product was great but the lack of flexibility will be his downfall. Nobody will want to do business with a person like this who openly calls you and everything you work for a retard - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:33:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded on something concrete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Lists li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:09:41 AM Subject: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of wifi people. This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is ghetto. Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. [09:34] Smeghead any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) [09:34] adama are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs for every product? [09:35] adama everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs [09:37] adama yup, they are [09:38] Smeghead Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the millions of units out there. [09:38] adama different set of mibs for every fuckign product [09:38] adama jesus [09:38] Smeghead They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's [09:38] adama can you english? [09:39] Smeghead The interface stuff is the same for all of them [09:39] Smeghead its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy (and ever changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is acting the way that he is. I am -not- making an excuse for his behavior or attitude; just stating a fact. Josh On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org wrote: Just shows you what sort person this guy is. Let him rot in his own cesspool of hate. He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him that would benefit a great deal of people, took a half assed stab at it and then said naw I'm too lazy I don't want to do it. Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance. I'd like to do it, but its too hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I can't do it so I hate all of you. - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa Connoisseur”? He likes Wispa candy bars? It seems ironic if he looks down on WISPs. From: David Milholen Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar code and is above everyone else when in reality they suck at everything else and only have a decent piece of code nothing more. This is where open source gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that is willing to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws others have made and fix what needs to be fixed. These are the guys who make open source a great place to play. Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy servers are all open source. I dont have a single windows machine in my office now. I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come a long way so now I run it on my Debian console with no issue. all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or Lubuntu on them to allow them to switch between networks quickly. Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min with contract and paid invoice. up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to linux. On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well. It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years ago. He was a tool, but people still bought it because it was the best at what it did. Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a tool, but that's where we're at for now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid the sub) however you want. Belittle industries publically without consequence? Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end? I think its because you are probably the person who paid him to put the Trango Apex code in as well as other things and are invested. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:36:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one person away from his product with his personality. I openly admitted to him his product was great but the lack of flexibility will be his downfall. Nobody will want to do business with a person like this who openly calls you and everything you work for a retard - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:33:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded on something concrete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:09:41 AM Subject: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Ha, that is funny. On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa Connoisseur”? He likes Wispa candy bars? It seems ironic if he looks down on WISPs. *From:* David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com *Sent:* Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar code and is above everyone else when in reality they suck at everything else and only have a decent piece of code nothing more. This is where open source gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that is willing to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws others have made and fix what needs to be fixed. These are the guys who make open source a great place to play. Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy servers are all open source. I dont have a single windows machine in my office now. I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come a long way so now I run it on my Debian console with no issue. all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or Lubuntu on them to allow them to switch between networks quickly. Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min with contract and paid invoice. up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to linux. On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well. It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years ago. He was a tool, but people still bought it because it was the best at what it did. Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a tool, but that's where we're at for now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org li...@wavedirect.org *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid the sub) however you want. Belittle industries publically without consequence? Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end? I think its because you are probably the person who paid him to put the Trango Apex code in as well as other things and are invested. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:36:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one person away from his product with his personality. I openly admitted to him his product was great but the lack of flexibility will be his downfall. Nobody will want to do business with a person like this who openly calls you and everything you work for a retard - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:33:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded on something concrete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:09:41 AM Subject: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of wifi people. This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is ghetto. Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. [09:34] Smeghead any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) [09:34] adama are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs for every product? [09:35] adama
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Just shows you what sort person this guy is. Let him rot in his own cesspool of hate. He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him that would benefit a great deal of people, took a half assed stab at it and then said naw I'm too lazy I don't want to do it. Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance. I'd like to do it, but its too hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I can't do it so I hate all of you. - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa Connoisseur”? He likes Wispa candy bars? It seems ironic if he looks down on WISPs. From: David Milholen Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar code and is above everyone else when in reality they suck at everything else and only have a decent piece of code nothing more. This is where open source gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that is willing to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws others have made and fix what needs to be fixed. These are the guys who make open source a great place to play. Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy servers are all open source. I dont have a single windows machine in my office now. I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come a long way so now I run it on my Debian console with no issue. all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or Lubuntu on them to allow them to switch between networks quickly. Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min with contract and paid invoice. up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to linux. On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well. It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years ago. He was a tool, but people still bought it because it was the best at what it did. Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a tool, but that's where we're at for now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid the sub) however you want. Belittle industries publically without consequence? Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end? I think its because you are probably the person who paid him to put the Trango Apex code in as well as other things and are invested. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:36:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one person away from his product with his personality. I openly admitted to him his product was great but the lack of flexibility will be his downfall. Nobody will want to do business with a person like this who openly calls you and everything you work for a retard - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:33:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded on something concrete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:09:41 AM Subject: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of wifi people. This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is ghetto. Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
That’s the same in a lot of the telco world as well… DSLAM’s, DS3 Mux gear, DWDM gear .. various stuff.. they all have “weird” SNMP support at times…;) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy (and ever changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is acting the way that he is. I am -not- making an excuse for his behavior or attitude; just stating a fact. Josh On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org mailto:li...@wavedirect.org wrote: Just shows you what sort person this guy is. Let him rot in his own cesspool of hate. He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him that would benefit a great deal of people, took a half assed stab at it and then said naw I'm too lazy I don't want to do it. Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance. I'd like to do it, but its too hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I can't do it so I hate all of you. - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa Connoisseur”? He likes Wispa candy bars? It seems ironic if he looks down on WISPs. From: David Milholen Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar code and is above everyone else when in reality they suck at everything else and only have a decent piece of code nothing more. This is where open source gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that is willing to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws others have made and fix what needs to be fixed. These are the guys who make open source a great place to play. Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy servers are all open source. I dont have a single windows machine in my office now. I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come a long way so now I run it on my Debian console with no issue. all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or Lubuntu on them to allow them to switch between networks quickly. Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min with contract and paid invoice. up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to linux. On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well. It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years ago. He was a tool, but people still bought it because it was the best at what it did. Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a tool, but that's where we're at for now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org mailto:li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid the sub) however you want. Belittle industries publically without consequence? Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end? I think its because you are probably the person who paid him to put the Trango Apex code in as well as other things and are invested. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org mailto:li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:36:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one person away from his product with his personality. I openly admitted to him his product was great but the lack of flexibility will be his downfall. Nobody will want to do business with a person like this who openly calls you and everything you work for a retard - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Just different volumes. Tens of millions of units versus a million, or
maybe a few hundred thousand.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/1/2015 7:01 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:
That’s the same in a lot of the telco world as well… DSLAM’s, DS3 Mux
gear, DWDM gear .. various stuff.. they all have “weird” SNMP support
at times…;)
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:50 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy
(and ever changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is
acting the way that he is. I am -not- making an excuse for his
behavior or attitude; just stating a fact.
Josh
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org
mailto:li...@wavedirect.org wrote:
Just shows you what sort person this guy is. Let him rot in his
own cesspool of hate. He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him
that would benefit a great deal of people, took a half assed stab
at it and then said naw I'm too lazy I don't want to do it.
Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance. I'd like to do it,
but its too hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I
can't do it so I hate all of you.
- Original Message -
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa
Connoisseur”? He likes Wispa candy bars? It seems ironic if he
looks down on WISPs.
From: David Milholen
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar
code and is above everyone else when in reality they suck at
everything else
and only have a decent piece of code nothing more. This is where
open source gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that
is willing
to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws
others have made and fix what needs to be fixed.
These are the guys who make open source a great place to play.
Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy
servers are all open source. I dont have a single windows machine
in my office now.
I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come
a long way so now I run it on my Debian console with no issue.
all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or
Lubuntu on them to allow them to switch between networks quickly.
Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min
with contract and paid invoice.
up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to
linux.
On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well.
It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years
ago. He was a tool, but people still bought it because it was the
best at what it did.
Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a
tool, but that's where we're at for now.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org
mailto:li...@wavedirect.org
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of
WISPS
So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid
the sub) however you want. Belittle industries publically without
consequence?
Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end? I
think its because you are probably the person who paid him to put
the Trango Apex code in as well as other things and are invested.
- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net
mailto:af...@ics-il.net
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of
WISPS
Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it
does do.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org
mailto:li...@wavedirect.org
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:36:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Matt, the usual reason for not releasing information is that you don’t want
your competitors to know what you are doing. I get that. At this point
though, Mimosa is sharing it’s release schedules almost a year in advance, and
both they and Cambium have had DFS on their WiFi chipsets since release. We
have all bought a bunch of the equipment that still doesn’t have DFS, some of
it for almost a year and it’s screwed up my ordering and deployment plans.
Being secretive has no value whatsoever. Not telling us what you know today is
annoying since I can’t make deployment decisions based on “soon”. It’s been
“soon” for almost a year. How about some actual facts as you know them. If
there are delays, that’s fine but just be honest about the process, that’s all
we can expect. If you need more time, just tell us and we can plan
accordingly. Did the equipment pass specifications that you believe are
necessary for DFS certification in the lab and if so, how much longer does it
take to complete the process? If it didn’t, just let us know and we will
accept it and adjust. I’m really not interested in rumors right now on this
particular subject.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 6:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
v5.6 is getting close, there are rumors of RC/Final release coming soon ... ;)
For NanoBeam, we did just receive some good news from the lab this week, so it
appears there is light at the end of the tunnel. I wish I had more I could
share, but we'll definitely keep you updated as we get more info.
Thanks,
Matt
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Bill Prince
part15...@gmail.commailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
How is that going? I've got the 5.6 beta running on a small selection of
subscribers, but I'm not really willing to make extensive use of it until (if?)
it sees the light of day as a real release.
...and OBTW, what is the ETA on the expanded UNII frequencies on the nanobeam
platform? Given a choice, I would only install nanobeams these days, except
they don't cover all the frequencies we need. So I grit my teeth and install
more (UGH) nanobridges.
Really wish those boat anchors would go away.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/1/2015 4:29 PM, Matt Hardy wrote:
I have to admit Ubiquiti doesn't have a great track record of SNMP support (I
know I know) ;) -- but we're working on it. Trying to get it right in v5.6 with
our new / custom MIB. If you guys need devices to test with, we'll be glad to
donate a few...
Thanks,
Matt
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Josh Baird
joshba...@gmail.commailto:joshba...@gmail.com wrote:
A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy (and ever
changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is acting the way that
he is. I am -not- making an excuse for his behavior or attitude; just stating
a fact.
Josh
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect
li...@wavedirect.orgmailto:li...@wavedirect.org wrote:
Just shows you what sort person this guy is. Let him rot in his own cesspool
of hate. He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him that would benefit a great
deal of people, took a half assed stab at it and then said naw I'm too lazy I
don't want to do it.
Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance. I'd like to do it, but its too
hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I can't do it so I hate all
of you.
- Original Message -
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa Connoisseur”? He likes
Wispa candy bars? It seems ironic if he looks down on WISPs.
From: David Milholen
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar code and is
above everyone else when in reality they suck at everything else
and only have a decent piece of code nothing more. This is where open source
gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that is willing
to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws others have
made and fix what needs to be fixed.
These are the guys who make open source a great place to play.
Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy servers are all
open source. I dont have a single windows machine in my office now.
I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come a long way so
now I run it on my Debian console with no issue.
all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or Lubuntu on
them to allow them to switch between networks quickly.
Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
v5.6 is getting close, there are rumors of RC/Final release coming soon
... ;)
For NanoBeam, we did just receive some good news from the lab this week, so
it appears there is light at the end of the tunnel. I wish I had more I
could share, but we'll definitely keep you updated as we get more info.
Thanks,
Matt
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
How is that going? I've got the 5.6 beta running on a small selection of
subscribers, but I'm not really willing to make extensive use of it until
(if?) it sees the light of day as a real release.
...and OBTW, what is the ETA on the expanded UNII frequencies on the
nanobeam platform? Given a choice, I would only install nanobeams these
days, except they don't cover all the frequencies we need. So I grit my
teeth and install more (UGH) nanobridges.
Really wish those boat anchors would go away.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/1/2015 4:29 PM, Matt Hardy wrote:
I have to admit Ubiquiti doesn't have a great track record of SNMP support
(I know I know) ;) -- but we're working on it. Trying to get it right in
v5.6 with our new / custom MIB. If you guys need devices to test with,
we'll be glad to donate a few...
Thanks,
Matt
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:
A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy (and
ever changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is acting the
way that he is. I am -not- making an excuse for his behavior or attitude;
just stating a fact.
Josh
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org wrote:
Just shows you what sort person this guy is. Let him rot in his own
cesspool of hate. He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him that would
benefit a great deal of people, took a half assed stab at it and then said
naw I'm too lazy I don't want to do it.
Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance. I'd like to do it, but its
too hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I can't do it so I
hate all of you.
- Original Message -
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa Connoisseur”?
He likes Wispa candy bars? It seems ironic if he looks down on WISPs.
From: David Milholen
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar code
and is above everyone else when in reality they suck at everything else
and only have a decent piece of code nothing more. This is where open
source gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that is willing
to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws others
have made and fix what needs to be fixed.
These are the guys who make open source a great place to play.
Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy servers are
all open source. I dont have a single windows machine in my office now.
I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come a long
way so now I run it on my Debian console with no issue.
all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or
Lubuntu on them to allow them to switch between networks quickly.
Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min with
contract and paid invoice.
up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to linux.
On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well.
It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years ago. He
was a tool, but people still bought it because it was the best at what it
did.
Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a tool,
but that's where we're at for now.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid the sub)
however you want. Belittle industries publically without consequence?
Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end? I think
its because you are probably the person who paid him to put the Trango Apex
code in as well as other things and are invested.
- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
I have to admit Ubiquiti doesn't have a great track record of SNMP support (I know I know) ;) -- but we're working on it. Trying to get it right in v5.6 with our new / custom MIB. If you guys need devices to test with, we'll be glad to donate a few... Thanks, Matt On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote: A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy (and ever changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is acting the way that he is. I am -not- making an excuse for his behavior or attitude; just stating a fact. Josh On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org wrote: Just shows you what sort person this guy is. Let him rot in his own cesspool of hate. He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him that would benefit a great deal of people, took a half assed stab at it and then said naw I'm too lazy I don't want to do it. Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance. I'd like to do it, but its too hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I can't do it so I hate all of you. - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa Connoisseur”? He likes Wispa candy bars? It seems ironic if he looks down on WISPs. From: David Milholen Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar code and is above everyone else when in reality they suck at everything else and only have a decent piece of code nothing more. This is where open source gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that is willing to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws others have made and fix what needs to be fixed. These are the guys who make open source a great place to play. Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy servers are all open source. I dont have a single windows machine in my office now. I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come a long way so now I run it on my Debian console with no issue. all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or Lubuntu on them to allow them to switch between networks quickly. Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min with contract and paid invoice. up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to linux. On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well. It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years ago. He was a tool, but people still bought it because it was the best at what it did. Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a tool, but that's where we're at for now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid the sub) however you want. Belittle industries publically without consequence? Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end? I think its because you are probably the person who paid him to put the Trango Apex code in as well as other things and are invested. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:36:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one person away from his product with his personality. I openly admitted to him his product was great but the lack of flexibility will be his downfall. Nobody will want to do business with a person like this who openly calls you and everything you work for a retard - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:33:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded on something concrete. - Mike Hammett
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
I think the reason for not releasing information in this case is that they
don't actually know...
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:21 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote:
Matt, the usual reason for not releasing information is that you don’t
want your competitors to know what you are doing. I get that. At this
point though, Mimosa is sharing it’s release schedules almost a year in
advance, and both they and Cambium have had DFS on their WiFi chipsets
since release. We have all bought a bunch of the equipment that still
doesn’t have DFS, some of it for almost a year and it’s screwed up my
ordering and deployment plans. Being secretive has no value whatsoever.
Not telling us what you know today is annoying since I can’t make
deployment decisions based on “soon”. It’s been “soon” for almost a year.
How about some actual facts as you know them. If there are delays, that’s
fine but just be honest about the process, that’s all we can expect. If
you need more time, just tell us and we can plan accordingly. Did the
equipment pass specifications that you believe are necessary for DFS
certification in the lab and if so, how much longer does it take to
complete the process? If it didn’t, just let us know and we will accept it
and adjust. I’m really not interested in rumors right now on this
particular subject.
Rory
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hardy
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 01, 2015 6:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
v5.6 is getting close, there are rumors of RC/Final release coming soon
... ;)
For NanoBeam, we did just receive some good news from the lab this week,
so it appears there is light at the end of the tunnel. I wish I had more I
could share, but we'll definitely keep you updated as we get more info.
Thanks,
Matt
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
How is that going? I've got the 5.6 beta running on a small selection of
subscribers, but I'm not really willing to make extensive use of it until
(if?) it sees the light of day as a real release.
...and OBTW, what is the ETA on the expanded UNII frequencies on the
nanobeam platform? Given a choice, I would only install nanobeams these
days, except they don't cover all the frequencies we need. So I grit my
teeth and install more (UGH) nanobridges.
Really wish those boat anchors would go away.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/1/2015 4:29 PM, Matt Hardy wrote:
I have to admit Ubiquiti doesn't have a great track record of SNMP
support (I know I know) ;) -- but we're working on it. Trying to get it
right in v5.6 with our new / custom MIB. If you guys need devices to test
with, we'll be glad to donate a few...
Thanks,
Matt
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:
A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy (and
ever changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is acting the
way that he is. I am -not- making an excuse for his behavior or attitude;
just stating a fact.
Josh
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org wrote:
Just shows you what sort person this guy is. Let him rot in his own
cesspool of hate. He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him that would
benefit a great deal of people, took a half assed stab at it and then said
naw I'm too lazy I don't want to do it.
Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance. I'd like to do it, but its
too hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I can't do it so I
hate all of you.
- Original Message -
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa Connoisseur”? He
likes Wispa candy bars? It seems ironic if he looks down on WISPs.
From: David Milholen
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar code and
is above everyone else when in reality they suck at everything else
and only have a decent piece of code nothing more. This is where open
source gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that is willing
to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws others
have made and fix what needs to be fixed.
These are the guys who make open source a great place to play.
Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy servers are
all open source. I dont have a single windows machine in my office now.
I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come a long
way so now I run it on my Debian console with no issue.
all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or Lubuntu
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
It seems to me as simple as he doesn't want to support anything beyond
the standard MIBs, no enterprise MIBs. Ooo, interface statistics and
system uptime, that's everything you need to know!
On 4/1/2015 9:49 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Just different volumes. Tens of millions of units versus a million, or
maybe a few hundred thousand.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/1/2015 7:01 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:
That’s the same in a lot of the telco world as well… DSLAM’s, DS3 Mux
gear, DWDM gear .. various stuff.. they all have “weird” SNMP support
at times…;)
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:50 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy
(and ever changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is
acting the way that he is. I am -not- making an excuse for his
behavior or attitude; just stating a fact.
Josh
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org
mailto:li...@wavedirect.org wrote:
Just shows you what sort person this guy is. Let him rot in his
own cesspool of hate. He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him
that would benefit a great deal of people, took a half assed stab
at it and then said naw I'm too lazy I don't want to do it.
Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance. I'd like to do it,
but its too hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I
can't do it so I hate all of you.
- Original Message -
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa
Connoisseur”? He likes Wispa candy bars? It seems ironic if he
looks down on WISPs.
From: David Milholen
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar
code and is above everyone else when in reality they suck at
everything else
and only have a decent piece of code nothing more. This is where
open source gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that
is willing
to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws
others have made and fix what needs to be fixed.
These are the guys who make open source a great place to play.
Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy
servers are all open source. I dont have a single windows machine
in my office now.
I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come
a long way so now I run it on my Debian console with no issue.
all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or
Lubuntu on them to allow them to switch between networks quickly.
Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min
with contract and paid invoice.
up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to
linux.
On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well.
It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years
ago. He was a tool, but people still bought it because it was the
best at what it did.
Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a
tool, but that's where we're at for now.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org
mailto:li...@wavedirect.org
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of
WISPS
So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid
the sub) however you want. Belittle industries publically without
consequence?
Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end?
I think its because you are probably the person who paid him to
put the Trango Apex code in as well as other things and are invested.
- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net
mailto:af...@ics-il.net
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of
WISPS
Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it
does do.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
To be fair, there are a lot of ‘standard’ mibs that companies either don’t
implement (I wish Mikrotik would implement the OSPF mib, for example) or
reimplement for no good reason (countless devices that ignore the Interfaces
mib, and roll their own interface counters in their enterprise tree.)
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber
Broadcasting)
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 4:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
It seems to me as simple as he doesn't want to support anything beyond the
standard MIBs, no enterprise MIBs. Ooo, interface statistics and system uptime,
that's everything you need to know!
On 4/1/2015 9:49 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Just different volumes. Tens of millions of units versus a million, or maybe a
few hundred thousand.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/1/2015 7:01 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:
That’s the same in a lot of the telco world as well… DSLAM’s, DS3 Mux gear,
DWDM gear .. various stuff.. they all have “weird” SNMP support at times…;)
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy (and ever
changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is acting the way that
he is. I am -not- making an excuse for his behavior or attitude; just stating
a fact.
Josh
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org wrote:
Just shows you what sort person this guy is. Let him rot in his own cesspool
of hate. He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him that would benefit a great
deal of people, took a half assed stab at it and then said naw I'm too lazy I
don't want to do it.
Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance. I'd like to do it, but its too
hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I can't do it so I hate all
of you.
- Original Message -
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa Connoisseur”? He likes
Wispa candy bars? It seems ironic if he looks down on WISPs.
From: David Milholen
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar code and is
above everyone else when in reality they suck at everything else
and only have a decent piece of code nothing more. This is where open source
gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that is willing
to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws others have
made and fix what needs to be fixed.
These are the guys who make open source a great place to play.
Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy servers are all
open source. I dont have a single windows machine in my office now.
I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come a long way so
now I run it on my Debian console with no issue.
all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or Lubuntu on
them to allow them to switch between networks quickly.
Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min with contract
and paid invoice.
up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to linux.
On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well.
It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years ago. He was a
tool, but people still bought it because it was the best at what it did.
Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a tool, but
that's where we're at for now.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid the sub)
however you want. Belittle industries publically without consequence?
Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end? I think its
because you are probably the person who paid him to put the Trango Apex code in
as well as other things and are invested.
- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Over 177 separate OS types are currently supported including autodetection and graphing of sensors from 76 MIBs as well as collection of CPU metrics from 35 MIBs and memory metrics from 33 MIBs Won't add more because of some weird personal grudge? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Lists li...@wavedirect.org wrote: Send him a twitter message @memeticadama - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:25:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS [09:35] adama everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs I wonder if he has a cell phone. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder what the Tier 1 wireless carriers would think of that too. But maybe that isn’t their market either. *** Daniel White - Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com Skype: danieldwhite Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84 *** *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:22 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I fucking love this guy! He needs to join the list. Him and Patrick Leary can discus wireless On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Lists li...@wavedirect.org wrote: This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of wifi people. This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is ghetto. Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. [09:34] Smeghead any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) [09:34] *adama are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs for every product?* [09:35] *adama everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs* [09:37] *adama yup, they are* [09:38] Smeghead Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the millions of units out there. [09:38] adama different set of mibs for every fuckign product [09:38] adama jesus [09:38] Smeghead They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's [09:38] adama can you english? [09:39] Smeghead The interface stuff is the same for all of them [09:39] Smeghead its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product *[09:40] adama fucking wifi people* [09:40] adama you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors [09:40] Smeghead If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all sorts of stuff out. *[09:40] adama and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you want* *[09:40] adama well fuck you all* [09:40] Smeghead *Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products.* [09:41] Smeghead All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting those 2 fully [09:41] adama meh *[09:41] adama get them to send us hardware* *[09:41] adama and maybe we'll give a shit* *[09:43] Smeghead I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I could even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you. * *[09:43] Smeghead I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. * [09:49] Smeghead to be honest though - I don't think observium is really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting with just the wireless bridges first would be the best start. That isn't so overwhelming [09:57] adama you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they really should build a pickup truck [09:57] *adama i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about wireless* *[09:57] Smeghead Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas between the major cities
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Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded on something concrete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Lists li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:09:41 AM Subject: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of wifi people. This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is ghetto. Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. [09:34] Smeghead any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) [09:34] adama are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs for every product? [09:35] adama everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs [09:37] adama yup, they are [09:38] Smeghead Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the millions of units out there. [09:38] adama different set of mibs for every fuckign product [09:38] adama jesus [09:38] Smeghead They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's [09:38] adama can you english? [09:39] Smeghead The interface stuff is the same for all of them [09:39] Smeghead its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product [09:40] adama fucking wifi people [09:40] adama you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors [09:40] Smeghead If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all sorts of stuff out. [09:40] adama and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you want [09:40] adama well fuck you all [09:40] Smeghead Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products. [09:41] Smeghead All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting those 2 fully [09:41] adama meh [09:41] adama get them to send us hardware [09:41] adama and maybe we'll give a shit [09:43] Smeghead I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I could even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you. [09:43] Smeghead I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. [09:49] Smeghead to be honest though - I don't think observium is really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting with just the wireless bridges first would be the best start. That isn't so overwhelming [09:57] adama you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they really should build a pickup truck [09:57] adama i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about wireless [09:57] Smeghead Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas between the major cities? [09:58] adama i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not? [09:58] Smeghead Yeah all of the Western hemisphere.. [09:59] adama lol [09:59] adama XD [10:01] adama my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out long ago [10:01] Smeghead Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high percentage of industry in the world that delivers internet.. yeah take this one. Its probably too hard and too much work for you. Because the wireless industry is retarded. [10:01] adama i know it is [10:02] Smeghead Yet I can make some cacti graphs in a few mins for anything. Cacti is old and busted. Your product is new and refreshing. That is why the industry is bugging you. [10:04] adama go and make some cacti graphs then [10:04] adama i'm really fucking sick of this shit [10:04] adama it doesn't take 5 minutes to add support for things [10:04] adama especially no nfucking wireless stuff [10:04] adama so just fuck off [10:04] adama it's not going to happen [10:04] adama and every one who asks makes it less likely to happen [ 10:06] Smeghead But I'll bet if you asked for help you'd get it. Look I was willing to set you up a network with all the devices you need [10:06] adama excuse me whilst i replace these 32*10G bundles with some wireless [10:06] adama HURR [10:06] adama no [10:06] adama i'd get a pile of useless shitty code [10:06] adama that's the only thing we've ever gotten from the community [10:09] aden adama: make Observium -3rd world edition, that only supports mikrotik and ghetto wireless hardware [10:09] adama hah [10:10] Smeghead Mainly because its
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Send him a twitter message @memeticadama - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:25:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS [09:35] adama everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs I wonder if he has a cell phone. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder what the Tier 1 wireless carriers would think of that too. But maybe that isn’t their market either. *** Daniel White - Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com Skype: danieldwhite Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84 *** *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:22 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I fucking love this guy! He needs to join the list. Him and Patrick Leary can discus wireless On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Lists li...@wavedirect.org wrote: This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of wifi people. This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is ghetto. Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. [09:34] Smeghead any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) [09:34] *adama are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs for every product?* [09:35] *adama everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs* [09:37] *adama yup, they are* [09:38] Smeghead Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the millions of units out there. [09:38] adama different set of mibs for every fuckign product [09:38] adama jesus [09:38] Smeghead They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's [09:38] adama can you english? [09:39] Smeghead The interface stuff is the same for all of them [09:39] Smeghead its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product *[09:40] adama fucking wifi people* [09:40] adama you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors [09:40] Smeghead If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all sorts of stuff out. *[09:40] adama and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you want* *[09:40] adama well fuck you all* [09:40] Smeghead *Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products.* [09:41] Smeghead All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting those 2 fully [09:41] adama meh *[09:41] adama get them to send us hardware* *[09:41] adama and maybe we'll give a shit* *[09:43] Smeghead I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I could even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you. * *[09:43] Smeghead I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. * [09:49] Smeghead to be honest though - I don't think observium is really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting with just the wireless bridges first would be the best start. That isn't so overwhelming [09:57] adama you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they really should build a pickup truck [09:57] *adama i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about wireless* *[09:57] Smeghead Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas between the major cities?* *[09:58] adama i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not?* [09:58] Smeghead Yeah all of the Western hemisphere.. [09:59] adama lol [09:59] adama XD *[10:01] adama my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out long ago* [10:01] Smeghead Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high percentage of industry in the world that delivers internet..yeah take this one. Its probably too hard and too much work for you. Because the wireless industry is retarded. [10:01] adama i know it is [10:02
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Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one person away from his product with his personality. I openly admitted to him his product was great but the lack of flexibility will be his downfall. Nobody will want to do business with a person like this who openly calls you and everything you work for a retard - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:33:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded on something concrete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Lists li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:09:41 AM Subject: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of wifi people. This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is ghetto. Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. [09:34] Smeghead any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) [09:34] adama are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs for every product? [09:35] adama everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs [09:37] adama yup, they are [09:38] Smeghead Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the millions of units out there. [09:38] adama different set of mibs for every fuckign product [09:38] adama jesus [09:38] Smeghead They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's [09:38] adama can you english? [09:39] Smeghead The interface stuff is the same for all of them [09:39] Smeghead its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product [09:40] adama fucking wifi people [09:40] adama you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors [09:40] Smeghead If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all sorts of stuff out. [09:40] adama and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you want [09:40] adama well fuck you all [09:40] Smeghead Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products. [09:41] Smeghead All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting those 2 fully [09:41] adama meh [09:41] adama get them to send us hardware [09:41] adama and maybe we'll give a shit [09:43] Smeghead I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I could even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you. [09:43] Smeghead I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. [09:49] Smeghead to be honest though - I don't think observium is really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting with just the wireless bridges first would be the best start. That isn't so overwhelming [09:57] adama you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they really should build a pickup truck [09:57] adama i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about wireless [09:57] Smeghead Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas between the major cities? [09:58] adama i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not? [09:58] Smeghead Yeah all of the Western hemisphere.. [09:59] adama lol [09:59] adama XD [10:01] adama my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out long ago [10:01] Smeghead Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high percentage of industry in the world that delivers internet.. yeah take this one. Its probably too hard and too much work for you. Because the wireless industry is retarded. [10:01] adama i know it is [10:02] Smeghead Yet I can make some cacti graphs in a few mins for anything. Cacti is old and busted. Your product is new and refreshing. That is why the industry is bugging you. [10:04] adama go and make some cacti graphs then [10:04] adama i'm really fucking sick of this shit [10:04] adama it doesn't take 5 minutes to add support for things [10:04] adama especially no nfucking wireless stuff [10:04] adama so just fuck off [10:04] adama it's not going to happen [10:04] adama and every one who asks makes it less likely to happen [ 10:06] Smeghead But I'll bet if you
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Well, the standard mib covers most stuff. You add a little extra for your special features. What exactly is wrong with that? How else do you do it? From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:25 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS [09:35] adama everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs I wonder if he has a cell phone. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder what the Tier 1 wireless carriers would think of that too. But maybe that isn’t their market either. *** Daniel White - Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com Skype: danieldwhite Social: LinkedIn *** From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:22 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I fucking love this guy! He needs to join the list. Him and Patrick Leary can discus wireless On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Lists li...@wavedirect.org wrote: This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of wifi people. This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is ghetto. Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. [09:34] Smeghead any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) [09:34] adama are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs for every product? [09:35] adama everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs [09:37] adama yup, they are [09:38] Smeghead Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the millions of units out there. [09:38] adama different set of mibs for every fuckign product [09:38] adama jesus [09:38] Smeghead They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's [09:38] adama can you english? [09:39] Smeghead The interface stuff is the same for all of them [09:39] Smeghead its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product [09:40] adama fucking wifi people [09:40] adama you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors [09:40] Smeghead If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all sorts of stuff out. [09:40] adama and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you want [09:40] adama well fuck you all [09:40] Smeghead Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products. [09:41] Smeghead All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting those 2 fully [09:41] adama meh [09:41] adama get them to send us hardware [09:41] adama and maybe we'll give a shit [09:43] Smeghead I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I could even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you. [09:43] Smeghead I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. [09:49] Smeghead to be honest though - I don't think observium is really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting with just the wireless bridges first would be the best start. That isn't so overwhelming [09:57] adama you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they really should build a pickup truck [09:57] adama i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about wireless [09:57] Smeghead Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas between the major cities? [09:58] adama i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not? [09:58] Smeghead Yeah all of the Western hemisphere.. [09:59] adama lol [09:59] adama XD [10:01] adama my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out long ago [10:01] Smeghead Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high percentage of industry in the world that delivers internet..yeah take this one. Its probably too hard and too much work
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I wonder what the Tier 1 wireless carriers would think of that too. But maybe that isn’t their market either. *** Daniel White - Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com Skype: danieldwhite Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84 *** From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:22 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I fucking love this guy! He needs to join the list. Him and Patrick Leary can discus wireless On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Lists li...@wavedirect.org mailto:li...@wavedirect.org wrote: This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of wifi people. This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is ghetto. Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. [09:34] Smeghead any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) [09:34] adama are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs for every product? [09:35] adama everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs [09:37] adama yup, they are [09:38] Smeghead Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the millions of units out there. [09:38] adama different set of mibs for every fuckign product [09:38] adama jesus [09:38] Smeghead They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's [09:38] adama can you english? [09:39] Smeghead The interface stuff is the same for all of them [09:39] Smeghead its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product [09:40] adama fucking wifi people [09:40] adama you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors [09:40] Smeghead If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all sorts of stuff out. [09:40] adama and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you want [09:40] adama well fuck you all [09:40] Smeghead Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products. [09:41] Smeghead All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting those 2 fully [09:41] adama meh [09:41] adama get them to send us hardware [09:41] adama and maybe we'll give a shit [09:43] Smeghead I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I could even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you. [09:43] Smeghead I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. [09:49] Smeghead to be honest though - I don't think observium is really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting with just the wireless bridges first would be the best start. That isn't so overwhelming [09:57] adama you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they really should build a pickup truck [09:57] adama i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about wireless [09:57] Smeghead Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas between the major cities? [09:58] adama i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not? [09:58] Smeghead Yeah all of the Western hemisphere.. [09:59] adama lol [09:59] adama XD [10:01] adama my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out long ago [10:01] Smeghead Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high percentage of industry in the world that delivers internet..yeah take this one. Its probably too hard and too much work for you. Because the wireless industry is retarded. [10:01] adama i know it is [10:02] Smeghead Yet I can make some cacti graphs in a few mins for anything. Cacti is old and busted. Your product is new and refreshing. That is why the industry is bugging you. [10:04] adama go and make some cacti graphs then [10:04] adama i'm really fucking sick of this shit [10:04] adama it doesn't take 5 minutes to add support for things [10:04] adama especially no nfucking wireless stuff [10:04] adama so just fuck off [10:04] adama it's not going to happen [10:04] adama and every one who asks makes it less likely to happen [10:06] Smeghead But I'll bet if you asked
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So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid the sub) however you want. Belittle industries publically without consequence? Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end? I think its because you are probably the person who paid him to put the Trango Apex code in as well as other things and are invested. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Lists li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:36:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one person away from his product with his personality. I openly admitted to him his product was great but the lack of flexibility will be his downfall. Nobody will want to do business with a person like this who openly calls you and everything you work for a retard - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:33:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded on something concrete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Lists li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:09:41 AM Subject: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of wifi people. This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is ghetto. Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. [09:34] Smeghead any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) [09:34] adama are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs for every product? [09:35] adama everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs [09:37] adama yup, they are [09:38] Smeghead Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the millions of units out there. [09:38] adama different set of mibs for every fuckign product [09:38] adama jesus [09:38] Smeghead They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's [09:38] adama can you english? [09:39] Smeghead The interface stuff is the same for all of them [09:39] Smeghead its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product [09:40] adama fucking wifi people [09:40] adama you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors [09:40] Smeghead If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all sorts of stuff out. [09:40] adama and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you want [09:40] adama well fuck you all [09:40] Smeghead Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products. [09:41] Smeghead All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting those 2 fully [09:41] adama meh [09:41] adama get them to send us hardware [09:41] adama and maybe we'll give a shit [09:43] Smeghead I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I could even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you. [09:43] Smeghead I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. [09:49] Smeghead to be honest though - I don't think observium is really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting with just the wireless bridges first would be the best start. That isn't so overwhelming [09:57] adama you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they really should build a pickup truck [09:57] adama i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about wireless [09:57] Smeghead Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas between the major cities? [09:58] adama i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not? [09:58] Smeghead Yeah all of the Western hemisphere.. [09:59] adama lol [09:59] adama XD [10:01] adama my patience for people
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Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Lists li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:36:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one person away from his product with his personality. I openly admitted to him his product was great but the lack of flexibility will be his downfall. Nobody will want to do business with a person like this who openly calls you and everything you work for a retard - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:33:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded on something concrete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Lists li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:09:41 AM Subject: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of wifi people. This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is ghetto. Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. [09:34] Smeghead any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) [09:34] adama are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs for every product? [09:35] adama everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs [09:37] adama yup, they are [09:38] Smeghead Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the millions of units out there. [09:38] adama different set of mibs for every fuckign product [09:38] adama jesus [09:38] Smeghead They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's [09:38] adama can you english? [09:39] Smeghead The interface stuff is the same for all of them [09:39] Smeghead its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product [09:40] adama fucking wifi people [09:40] adama you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors [09:40] Smeghead If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all sorts of stuff out. [09:40] adama and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you want [09:40] adama well fuck you all [09:40] Smeghead Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products. [09:41] Smeghead All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting those 2 fully [09:41] adama meh [09:41] adama get them to send us hardware [09:41] adama and maybe we'll give a shit [09:43] Smeghead I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I could even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you. [09:43] Smeghead I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. [09:49] Smeghead to be honest though - I don't think observium is really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting with just the wireless bridges first would be the best start. That isn't so overwhelming [09:57] adama you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they really should build a pickup truck [09:57] adama i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about wireless [09:57] Smeghead Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas between the major cities? [09:58] adama i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not? [09:58] Smeghead Yeah all of the Western hemisphere.. [09:59] adama lol [09:59] adama XD [10:01] adama my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out long ago [10:01] Smeghead Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high percentage of industry in the world that delivers internet.. yeah take this one. Its probably too hard and too much work for you. Because the wireless industry is retarded. [10:01] adama i know it is [10:02] Smeghead Yet I can make some cacti graphs in a few mins for anything. Cacti is old and busted. Your product is new and refreshing. That is why the industry is bugging you. [10:04] adama go and make some cacti graphs
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I guess you're just not supposed to have any special features... On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Well, the standard mib covers most stuff. You add a little extra for your special features. What exactly is wrong with that? How else do you do it? *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:25 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS [09:35] adama everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs I wonder if he has a cell phone. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder what the Tier 1 wireless carriers would think of that too. But maybe that isn’t their market either. *** Daniel White - Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com Skype: danieldwhite Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84 *** *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:22 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I fucking love this guy! He needs to join the list. Him and Patrick Leary can discus wireless On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Lists li...@wavedirect.org wrote: This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of wifi people. This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is ghetto. Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. [09:34] Smeghead any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) [09:34] *adama are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs for every product?* [09:35] *adama everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs* [09:37] *adama yup, they are* [09:38] Smeghead Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the millions of units out there. [09:38] adama different set of mibs for every fuckign product [09:38] adama jesus [09:38] Smeghead They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's [09:38] adama can you english? [09:39] Smeghead The interface stuff is the same for all of them [09:39] Smeghead its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product *[09:40] adama fucking wifi people* [09:40] adama you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors [09:40] Smeghead If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all sorts of stuff out. *[09:40] adama and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you want* *[09:40] adama well fuck you all* [09:40] Smeghead *Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products.* [09:41] Smeghead All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting those 2 fully [09:41] adama meh *[09:41] adama get them to send us hardware* *[09:41] adama and maybe we'll give a shit* *[09:43] Smeghead I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I could even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you. * *[09:43] Smeghead I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. * [09:49] Smeghead to be honest though - I don't think observium is really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting with just the wireless bridges first would be the best start. That isn't so overwhelming [09:57] adama you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they really should build a pickup truck [09:57] *adama i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about wireless* *[09:57] Smeghead Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas between the major cities?* *[09:58] adama i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not?* [09:58] Smeghead Yeah all of the Western hemisphere.. [09:59] adama lol [09:59] adama XD *[10:01] adama my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out long ago* [10:01] Smeghead Well if you want more
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Right but ... does crying over spilled milk solve anything? Or does hard work? Focus on cleaning it up, not on the fact it spilled. I didn't deny SNMP in the wireless industry sucks. But I told him to focus on the biggest impact that would help our industry and his product such as backhauls and important high level stuff or the most widely used stuff. Instead of dismissing it and its customer base who was willing to send him thousands of dollars of equipment. I've offered to contribute thousands of dollars if he'd put more time into some wireless. I've offered twice to send him some AP's and SM's. I've offered to specifically get him all the OID's of the most important stuff just for one product. Personally I think he just has some serious hate issues and inferiority complex that makes him look down upon others to make himself feel better. That is why any pictures of the guy is from a low camera angle to try and make him look tall. Psyche 101 - Original Message - From: Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:40:28 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS On 3/31/15 8:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded on something concrete. The you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors line did make me laugh. He must have been exposed to what UBNT calls SNMP support. ~Seth
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Observium has it’s place in some networks but it’s far from complete. It’s rather neat software in it’s limited form. That’s gotta be about the most unprofessional “chat” I’ve seen though from someone… One thing that I have taught companies time and time again – typically wireless providers are thought of as “small guys” and let’s be honest … there’s a lot of small WISP’s out there busting their butts to provide service where nobody else can/will. There are also some good sized “medium companies” in wireless. I would far rather have a dozen “small guy” customers to deal with than one large customer…. They tend to me more loyal and accommodating vs larger companies to deal with. Just my two cents worth ;) Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I wonder what the Tier 1 wireless carriers would think of that too. But maybe that isn’t their market either. *** Daniel White - Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com Skype: danieldwhite Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84 *** From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:22 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I fucking love this guy! He needs to join the list. Him and Patrick Leary can discus wireless On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Lists li...@wavedirect.org mailto:li...@wavedirect.org wrote: This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of wifi people. This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is ghetto. Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. [09:34] Smeghead any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) [09:34] adama are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs for every product? [09:35] adama everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs [09:37] adama yup, they are [09:38] Smeghead Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the millions of units out there. [09:38] adama different set of mibs for every fuckign product [09:38] adama jesus [09:38] Smeghead They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's [09:38] adama can you english? [09:39] Smeghead The interface stuff is the same for all of them [09:39] Smeghead its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product [09:40] adama fucking wifi people [09:40] adama you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors [09:40] Smeghead If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all sorts of stuff out. [09:40] adama and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you want [09:40] adama well fuck you all [09:40] Smeghead Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products. [09:41] Smeghead All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting those 2 fully [09:41] adama meh [09:41] adama get them to send us hardware [09:41] adama and maybe we'll give a shit [09:43] Smeghead I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I could even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you. [09:43] Smeghead I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. [09:49] Smeghead to be honest though - I don't think observium is really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting with just the wireless bridges first would be the best start. That isn't so overwhelming [09:57] adama you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they really should build a pickup truck [09:57] adama i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about wireless [09:57] Smeghead Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas between the major cities? [09:58] adama i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not? [09:58] Smeghead Yeah all of the Western hemisphere.. [09:59
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That's my point. I took out a small section that said wireless at one point was part of the backbone of the internet. I mean we fed an entire town over a mountain with internet. My main point is that there is a HUGE geography of equipment out there covering all the areas wires cannot. He's shooting himself in the foot by not supporting it. - Original Message - From: Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:23:08 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I wonder what the Tier 1 wireless carriers would think of that too. But maybe that isn’t their market either. *** Daniel White - Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com Skype: danieldwhite Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84 *** From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:22 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I fucking love this guy! He needs to join the list. Him and Patrick Leary can discus wireless On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Lists li...@wavedirect.org mailto:li...@wavedirect.org wrote: This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of wifi people. This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is ghetto. Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. [09:34] Smeghead any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) [09:34] adama are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs for every product? [09:35] adama everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs [09:37] adama yup, they are [09:38] Smeghead Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the millions of units out there. [09:38] adama different set of mibs for every fuckign product [09:38] adama jesus [09:38] Smeghead They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's [09:38] adama can you english? [09:39] Smeghead The interface stuff is the same for all of them [09:39] Smeghead its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product [09:40] adama fucking wifi people [09:40] adama you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors [09:40] Smeghead If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all sorts of stuff out. [09:40] adama and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you want [09:40] adama well fuck you all [09:40] Smeghead Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products. [09:41] Smeghead All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting those 2 fully [09:41] adama meh [09:41] adama get them to send us hardware [09:41] adama and maybe we'll give a shit [09:43] Smeghead I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I could even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you. [09:43] Smeghead I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. [09:49] Smeghead to be honest though - I don't think observium is really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting with just the wireless bridges first would be the best start. That isn't so overwhelming [09:57] adama you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they really should build a pickup truck [09:57] adama i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about wireless [09:57] Smeghead Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas between the major cities? [09:58] adama i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not? [09:58] Smeghead Yeah all of the Western hemisphere.. [09:59] adama lol [09:59] adama XD [10:01] adama my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out long ago [10:01] Smeghead Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high percentage of industry in the world that delivers internet..yeah take this one. Its probably too hard and too much work for you. Because the wireless industry is retarded. [10:01] adama i know it is [10:02] Smeghead Yet I can make
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[09:35] adama everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs I wonder if he has a cell phone. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder what the Tier 1 wireless carriers would think of that too. But maybe that isn’t their market either. *** Daniel White - Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com Skype: danieldwhite Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84 *** *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:22 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I fucking love this guy! He needs to join the list. Him and Patrick Leary can discus wireless On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Lists li...@wavedirect.org wrote: This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of wifi people. This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is ghetto. Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. [09:34] Smeghead any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) [09:34] *adama are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs for every product?* [09:35] *adama everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs* [09:37] *adama yup, they are* [09:38] Smeghead Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the millions of units out there. [09:38] adama different set of mibs for every fuckign product [09:38] adama jesus [09:38] Smeghead They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's [09:38] adama can you english? [09:39] Smeghead The interface stuff is the same for all of them [09:39] Smeghead its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product *[09:40] adama fucking wifi people* [09:40] adama you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors [09:40] Smeghead If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all sorts of stuff out. *[09:40] adama and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you want* *[09:40] adama well fuck you all* [09:40] Smeghead *Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products.* [09:41] Smeghead All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting those 2 fully [09:41] adama meh *[09:41] adama get them to send us hardware* *[09:41] adama and maybe we'll give a shit* *[09:43] Smeghead I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I could even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you. * *[09:43] Smeghead I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. * [09:49] Smeghead to be honest though - I don't think observium is really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting with just the wireless bridges first would be the best start. That isn't so overwhelming [09:57] adama you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they really should build a pickup truck [09:57] *adama i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about wireless* *[09:57] Smeghead Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas between the major cities?* *[09:58] adama i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not?* [09:58] Smeghead Yeah all of the Western hemisphere.. [09:59] adama lol [09:59] adama XD *[10:01] adama my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out long ago* [10:01] Smeghead Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high percentage of industry in the world that delivers internet..yeah take this one. Its probably too hard and too much work for you. Because the wireless industry is retarded. [10:01] adama i know it is [10:02] Smeghead Yet I can make some cacti graphs in a few mins for anything. Cacti is old and busted. Your product is new and refreshing. That is why the industry is bugging you. [10:04] adama go and make some cacti graphs then [10:04] adama i'm really
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On 31 March 2015 at 19:30, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Neil – in the “network world” I have access to quite an array of gear. Let me know if you ever need an SNMP walk and testing for anything specific .. always happy to help out. Juniper/Cisco specifically is where I can help the most … Wow, didn't expect such an amazing response from this :) Cisco we're hopefully covered but Juniper would be good. Is this production kit? SNMP stacks can sometimes be a bit unreliable so I'm always nervous about running pollers against peoples live kit :) If you wouldn't mind could I send over an IP for you to configure snmp access on, let me know the details and I'll do some tests to see how well LibreNMS handles Juniper kit and grab any necessary SNMP data we may need. Neil
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On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org wrote: Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :) Some of us may have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy other products you want to support. The donation of equipment is a huge . It wouldn't be necessary to send the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what data is available and work on adding support. Thanks, Neil
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This pretty much is my experience with him as well, and it wasn't even related to wireless. On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Lists li...@wavedirect.org wrote: This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of wifi people. This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is ghetto. Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. [09:34] Smeghead any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) [09:34] *adama are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs for every product?* [09:35] *adama everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs* [09:37] *adama yup, they are* [09:38] Smeghead Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the millions of units out there. [09:38] adama different set of mibs for every fuckign product [09:38] adama jesus [09:38] Smeghead They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's [09:38] adama can you english? [09:39] Smeghead The interface stuff is the same for all of them [09:39] Smeghead its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product *[09:40] adama fucking wifi people* [09:40] adama you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors [09:40] Smeghead If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all sorts of stuff out. *[09:40] adama and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you want* *[09:40] adama well fuck you all* [09:40] Smeghead *Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products.* [09:41] Smeghead All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting those 2 fully [09:41] adama meh *[09:41] adama get them to send us hardware* *[09:41] adama and maybe we'll give a shit* *[09:43] Smeghead I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I could even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you. * *[09:43] Smeghead I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. * [09:49] Smeghead to be honest though - I don't think observium is really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting with just the wireless bridges first would be the best start. That isn't so overwhelming [09:57] adama you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they really should build a pickup truck [09:57] *adama i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about wireless* *[09:57] Smeghead Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas between the major cities?* *[09:58] adama i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not?* [09:58] Smeghead Yeah all of the Western hemisphere.. [09:59] adama lol [09:59] adama XD *[10:01] adama my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out long ago* [10:01] Smeghead Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high percentage of industry in the world that delivers internet..yeah take this one. Its probably too hard and too much work for you. Because the wireless industry is retarded. [10:01] adama i know it is [10:02] Smeghead Yet I can make some cacti graphs in a few mins for anything. Cacti is old and busted. Your product is new and refreshing. That is why the industry is bugging you. [10:04] adama go and make some cacti graphs then [10:04] adama i'm really fucking sick of this shit [10:04] adama it doesn't take 5 minutes to add support for things [10:04] adama especially no nfucking wireless stuff [10:04] adama so just fuck off [10:04] adama it's not going to happen [10:04] adama and every one who asks makes it less likely to happen [*10:06] Smeghead But I'll bet if you asked for help you'd get it. Look I was willing to set you up a network with all the devices you need* [10:06] adama excuse me whilst i replace these 32*10G bundles with some wireless [10:06] adama HURR [10:06] adama no *[10:06] adama i'd get a pile of useless shitty code* *[10:06] adama that's the only thing we've ever gotten from the community* [10:09] aden *adama: make Observium -3rd world edition, that only supports mikrotik and ghetto wireless hardware* [10:09] adama hah [10:10] Smeghead Mainly because its (Mikrotik) like 10% of the price and does the same job and even better in many cases. [10:11] adama no, they use it because it just about
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Neil – in the “network world” I have access to quite an array of gear. Let me know if you ever need an SNMP walk and testing for anything specific .. always happy to help out. Juniper/Cisco specifically is where I can help the most … Cheers, Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Neil Lathwood Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 2:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org mailto:li...@wavedirect.org wrote: Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :) Some of us may have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy other products you want to support. The donation of equipment is a huge . It wouldn't be necessary to send the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what data is available and work on adding support. Thanks, Neil
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Hi Folks, Apologies I couldn't reply directly to this thread but I wasn't subscribed earlier. Someone from the Observium IRC channel directed me to this thread. I help develop a fork of Observium called LibreNMS (www.librenms.org) and wanted to see if anyone would be willing to provide us access to or at least an snmpwalk of some of the kit you would all like to be monitored in software like ours. We have someone who is contributing support for ubnt kit pretty soon but we'd like to extend support out for as many products as we can so if you feel like you can help achieve this then please get in touch. Hope you don't mind me joining to post this :) Thanks,
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Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :) Some of us may have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy other products you want to support. - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:56:20 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS People need to eat... And well, beer. Nothing wrong with donations :P On March 31, 2015 9:55:04 AM AKDT, Neil Lathwood neil.lathw...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the welcome. No financial support needed :) We all contribute to provide a better product, it's Open source and going to stay that way. Neil On 31 March 2015 at 18:49, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Hi Neil! Welcome to the list! We appreciate your fork , and hard work :) I'm sure the more features you add for this community (which is very large, globally), the more likely people will be willing to show their appreciation via financial support. On March 31, 2015 9:24:09 AM AKDT, Neil Lathwood neil.lathw...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Folks, Apologies I couldn't reply directly to this thread but I wasn't subscribed earlier. Someone from the Observium IRC channel directed me to this thread. I help develop a fork of Observium called LibreNMS (www.librenms.org) and wanted to see if anyone would be willing to provide us access to or at least an snmpwalk of some of the kit you would all like to be monitored in software like ours. We have someone who is contributing support for ubnt kit pretty soon but we'd like to extend support out for as many products as we can so if you feel like you can help achieve this then please get in touch. Hope you don't mind me joining to post this :) Thanks, -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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Interesting. I didn't know you existed. Checking the docs and I saw this: http://docs.librenms.org/General/Welcome-to-Observium-users/ Its the right attitude. I'll definitely give your product a run through. We don't use UBNT but many WISPS do and will be appreciative. - Original Message - From: Neil Lathwood neil.lathw...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:24:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Hi Folks, Apologies I couldn't reply directly to this thread but I wasn't subscribed earlier. Someone from the Observium IRC channel directed me to this thread. I help develop a fork of Observium called LibreNMS (www.librenms.org) and wanted to see if anyone would be willing to provide us access to or at least an snmpwalk of some of the kit you would all like to be monitored in software like ours. We have someone who is contributing support for ubnt kit pretty soon but we'd like to extend support out for as many products as we can so if you feel like you can help achieve this then please get in touch. Hope you don't mind me joining to post this :) Thanks,
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Thanks for the welcome. No financial support needed :) We all contribute to provide a better product, it's Open source and going to stay that way. Neil On 31 March 2015 at 18:49, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Hi Neil! Welcome to the list! We appreciate your fork , and hard work :) I'm sure the more features you add for this community (which is very large, globally), the more likely people will be willing to show their appreciation via financial support. On March 31, 2015 9:24:09 AM AKDT, Neil Lathwood neil.lathw...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Folks, Apologies I couldn't reply directly to this thread but I wasn't subscribed earlier. Someone from the Observium IRC channel directed me to this thread. I help develop a fork of Observium called LibreNMS (www.librenms.org) and wanted to see if anyone would be willing to provide us access to or at least an snmpwalk of some of the kit you would all like to be monitored in software like ours. We have someone who is contributing support for ubnt kit pretty soon but we'd like to extend support out for as many products as we can so if you feel like you can help achieve this then please get in touch. Hope you don't mind me joining to post this :) Thanks, -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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Hi Neil! Welcome to the list! We appreciate your fork , and hard work :) I'm sure the more features you add for this community (which is very large, globally), the more likely people will be willing to show their appreciation via financial support. On March 31, 2015 9:24:09 AM AKDT, Neil Lathwood neil.lathw...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Folks, Apologies I couldn't reply directly to this thread but I wasn't subscribed earlier. Someone from the Observium IRC channel directed me to this thread. I help develop a fork of Observium called LibreNMS (www.librenms.org) and wanted to see if anyone would be willing to provide us access to or at least an snmpwalk of some of the kit you would all like to be monitored in software like ours. We have someone who is contributing support for ubnt kit pretty soon but we'd like to extend support out for as many products as we can so if you feel like you can help achieve this then please get in touch. Hope you don't mind me joining to post this :) Thanks, -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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People need to eat... And well, beer. Nothing wrong with donations :P On March 31, 2015 9:55:04 AM AKDT, Neil Lathwood neil.lathw...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the welcome. No financial support needed :) We all contribute to provide a better product, it's Open source and going to stay that way. Neil On 31 March 2015 at 18:49, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Hi Neil! Welcome to the list! We appreciate your fork , and hard work :) I'm sure the more features you add for this community (which is very large, globally), the more likely people will be willing to show their appreciation via financial support. On March 31, 2015 9:24:09 AM AKDT, Neil Lathwood neil.lathw...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Folks, Apologies I couldn't reply directly to this thread but I wasn't subscribed earlier. Someone from the Observium IRC channel directed me to this thread. I help develop a fork of Observium called LibreNMS (www.librenms.org) and wanted to see if anyone would be willing to provide us access to or at least an snmpwalk of some of the kit you would all like to be monitored in software like ours. We have someone who is contributing support for ubnt kit pretty soon but we'd like to extend support out for as many products as we can so if you feel like you can help achieve this then please get in touch. Hope you don't mind me joining to post this :) Thanks, -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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Wow I'm impressed. I literally had 20 mins before I was going to leave work. So I thought I'd run a quick install your product. I spun up a new VM from a template and within 20 mins (following the excellent documentation) I was up and running. Not only that but all my VMware servers datastores some switches and some 20 hosts were put in instantly and they picked them all up perfectly. Literally by tomorrow morning in my first hour I'll have replaced Observium from my life with hope of there actually being continued development of this product. Excellent work. You have a new fan. I'll be in touch with equipment / SNMP information for you as well. - Original Message - From: Neil Lathwood neil.lathw...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 4:26:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS On 31 March 2015 at 21:16, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Hi Neil … it’s a great crew of folks on this list J I can’t provide public SNMP access as the management of the devices is done via private network.Hit me up offline though and we can work something out… It seems that way Paul :) Thanks for the offer, someone else on the list has contacted me and is sending through snmpwallks and mibs for a variety of WISP kit so stay tuned. Neil
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I fucking love this guy! He needs to join the list. Him and Patrick Leary can discus wireless On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Lists li...@wavedirect.org wrote: This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of wifi people. This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is ghetto. Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. [09:34] Smeghead any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) [09:34] *adama are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs for every product?* [09:35] *adama everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs* [09:37] *adama yup, they are* [09:38] Smeghead Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the millions of units out there. [09:38] adama different set of mibs for every fuckign product [09:38] adama jesus [09:38] Smeghead They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's [09:38] adama can you english? [09:39] Smeghead The interface stuff is the same for all of them [09:39] Smeghead its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product *[09:40] adama fucking wifi people* [09:40] adama you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors [09:40] Smeghead If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all sorts of stuff out. *[09:40] adama and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you want* *[09:40] adama well fuck you all* [09:40] Smeghead *Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products.* [09:41] Smeghead All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting those 2 fully [09:41] adama meh *[09:41] adama get them to send us hardware* *[09:41] adama and maybe we'll give a shit* *[09:43] Smeghead I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I could even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you. * *[09:43] Smeghead I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. * [09:49] Smeghead to be honest though - I don't think observium is really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting with just the wireless bridges first would be the best start. That isn't so overwhelming [09:57] adama you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they really should build a pickup truck [09:57] *adama i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about wireless* *[09:57] Smeghead Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas between the major cities?* *[09:58] adama i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not?* [09:58] Smeghead Yeah all of the Western hemisphere.. [09:59] adama lol [09:59] adama XD *[10:01] adama my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out long ago* [10:01] Smeghead Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high percentage of industry in the world that delivers internet..yeah take this one. Its probably too hard and too much work for you. Because the wireless industry is retarded. [10:01] adama i know it is [10:02] Smeghead Yet I can make some cacti graphs in a few mins for anything. Cacti is old and busted. Your product is new and refreshing. That is why the industry is bugging you. [10:04] adama go and make some cacti graphs then [10:04] adama i'm really fucking sick of this shit [10:04] adama it doesn't take 5 minutes to add support for things [10:04] adama especially no nfucking wireless stuff [10:04] adama so just fuck off [10:04] adama it's not going to happen [10:04] adama and every one who asks makes it less likely to happen [*10:06] Smeghead But I'll bet if you asked for help you'd get it. Look I was willing to set you up a network with all the devices you need* [10:06] adama excuse me whilst i replace these 32*10G bundles with some wireless [10:06] adama HURR [10:06] adama no *[10:06] adama i'd get a pile of useless shitty code* *[10:06] adama that's the only thing we've ever gotten from the community* [10:09] aden *adama: make Observium -3rd world edition, that only supports mikrotik and ghetto wireless hardware* [10:09] adama hah [10:10] Smeghead Mainly because its (Mikrotik) like 10% of the price and does the same job and even better in many cases. [10:11] adama no, they use it because it just about
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Wow! On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Lists li...@wavedirect.org wrote: This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of wifi people. This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is ghetto. Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. [09:34] Smeghead any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) [09:34] *adama are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs for every product?* [09:35] *adama everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs* [09:37] *adama yup, they are* [09:38] Smeghead Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the millions of units out there. [09:38] adama different set of mibs for every fuckign product [09:38] adama jesus [09:38] Smeghead They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's [09:38] adama can you english? [09:39] Smeghead The interface stuff is the same for all of them [09:39] Smeghead its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product *[09:40] adama fucking wifi people* [09:40] adama you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors [09:40] Smeghead If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all sorts of stuff out. *[09:40] adama and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you want* *[09:40] adama well fuck you all* [09:40] Smeghead *Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products.* [09:41] Smeghead All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting those 2 fully [09:41] adama meh *[09:41] adama get them to send us hardware* *[09:41] adama and maybe we'll give a shit* *[09:43] Smeghead I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I could even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you. * *[09:43] Smeghead I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. * [09:49] Smeghead to be honest though - I don't think observium is really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe starting with just the wireless bridges first would be the best start. That isn't so overwhelming [09:57] adama you might as well go and hassle jaguar engineers about how they really should build a pickup truck [09:57] *adama i'm a telco/isp network person, i don't give 2 shits about wireless* *[09:57] Smeghead Who do you think delivers internet to the massive areas between the major cities?* *[09:58] adama i dunno, are we talking about retarded countries or not?* [09:58] Smeghead Yeah all of the Western hemisphere.. [09:59] adama lol [09:59] adama XD *[10:01] adama my patience for people asking for wireless stuff ran out long ago* [10:01] Smeghead Well if you want more excuses to neglect a high percentage of industry in the world that delivers internet..yeah take this one. Its probably too hard and too much work for you. Because the wireless industry is retarded. [10:01] adama i know it is [10:02] Smeghead Yet I can make some cacti graphs in a few mins for anything. Cacti is old and busted. Your product is new and refreshing. That is why the industry is bugging you. [10:04] adama go and make some cacti graphs then [10:04] adama i'm really fucking sick of this shit [10:04] adama it doesn't take 5 minutes to add support for things [10:04] adama especially no nfucking wireless stuff [10:04] adama so just fuck off [10:04] adama it's not going to happen [10:04] adama and every one who asks makes it less likely to happen [*10:06] Smeghead But I'll bet if you asked for help you'd get it. Look I was willing to set you up a network with all the devices you need* [10:06] adama excuse me whilst i replace these 32*10G bundles with some wireless [10:06] adama HURR [10:06] adama no *[10:06] adama i'd get a pile of useless shitty code* *[10:06] adama that's the only thing we've ever gotten from the community* [10:09] aden *adama: make Observium -3rd world edition, that only supports mikrotik and ghetto wireless hardware* [10:09] adama hah [10:10] Smeghead Mainly because its (Mikrotik) like 10% of the price and does the same job and even better in many cases. [10:11] adama no, they use it because it just about works and costs 10% of the price [10:11] Smeghead Dragonwave aint ghetto nor some of
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
this whole thread plays out like a scripted product launch On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Neil Lathwood neil.lathw...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 March 2015 at 22:22, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org wrote: Wow I'm impressed. I literally had 20 mins before I was going to leave work. So I thought I'd run a quick install your product. I spun up a new VM from a template and within 20 mins (following the excellent documentation) I was up and running. Not only that but all my VMware servers datastores some switches and some 20 hosts were put in instantly and they picked them all up perfectly. Literally by tomorrow morning in my first hour I'll have replaced Observium from my life with hope of there actually being continued development of this product. Excellent work. You have a new fan. I'll be in touch with equipment / SNMP information for you as well. Thanks for the feedback, it's nice to know that we can make a difference. If I'm honest though, I'd prefer bad feedback so we can improve things :D I'm sure you will find issues / bugs as we forked from an older code base, if you do please let us know and we will do what we can to sort things out for you. Neil -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well. It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years ago. He was a tool, but people still bought it because it was the best at what it did. Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a tool, but that's where we're at for now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Lists li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid the sub) however you want. Belittle industries publically without consequence? Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end? I think its because you are probably the person who paid him to put the Trango Apex code in as well as other things and are invested. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it does do. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Lists li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:36:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Also a total douchebag and has scared more than one person away from his product with his personality. I openly admitted to him his product was great but the lack of flexibility will be his downfall. Nobody will want to do business with a person like this who openly calls you and everything you work for a retard - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:33:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Adam is very strong in his beliefs. that said, they're usually founded on something concrete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Lists li...@wavedirect.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:09:41 AM Subject: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS This was on the channel #observium in open public chat (not private). Its pruned to take out some joins/parts useless info etc. I simply asked about support for Cambium and now we know exactly what he thinks of wifi people. This guy is a true professional. Funny they think Mikrotik is ghetto. Sure he makes some valid points about the lack of unity in our MIBS. I liked his product for our infrastructure, switches, routers etc. But I think I can get by without his product from now on. This is the luxury of having many independent monitoring systems. It lacks any real alerting system or agents for servers anyway. I literally started off with that sentence. He added some cambium support a few months ago so I wanted to know if more was coming. [09:34] Smeghead any chance of adding more cambium stuff soon? :) [09:34] adama are they another bunch of fucktards who make a new set of mibs for every product? [09:35] adama everyone involved in wireless seems to be literally retarded when it comes to writing mibs [09:37] adama yup, they are [09:38] Smeghead Yeah so I guess we shouldn't support it then and all the millions of units out there. [09:38] adama different set of mibs for every fuckign product [09:38] adama jesus [09:38] Smeghead They unified one of their mibs with the regular AP's [09:38] adama can you english? [09:39] Smeghead The interface stuff is the same for all of them [09:39] Smeghead its your standard interface mibs. Other than that really there is MAYBE 10 unique things per different product [09:40] adama fucking wifi people [09:40] adama you guys have 12903819023810 products from 129381 vendors [09:40] Smeghead If you want to be thorough with them you could pull all sorts of stuff out. [09:40] adama and you're always whining that we should support the stuff you want [09:40] adama well fuck you all [09:40] Smeghead Yeah thats my fault as a consumer of those products. [09:41] Smeghead All I want to do is monitor the best.. Cambium is the biggest and most widely used next to Ubiquiti.. so I'd stick to supporting those 2 fully [09:41] adama meh [09:41] adama get them to send us hardware [09:41] adama and maybe we'll give a shit [09:43] Smeghead I'll see if we can send you cambium for sure. I could even arrange you a login or set you up a vm on the network so you can probe some equipment we have plugged in in a separate environment for you. [09:43] Smeghead I'm pretty sure I offered a few times. [09:49] Smeghead to be honest though - I don't think observium is really hugely needed for AP's and subcribers. Maybe
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want to track? I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem like hte OID was such a small part of everything that needed to be done. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Neil Lathwood neil.lathw...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org wrote: Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :) Some of us may have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy other products you want to support. The donation of equipment is a huge . It wouldn't be necessary to send the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what data is available and work on adding support. Thanks, Neil
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
On 31 March 2015 at 22:40, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this whole thread plays out like a scripted product launch Sorry I'm unsure what you're referring to with this but this isn't a commercial product or exercise. Myself and lot of others invest a good amount of time in development for LibreNMS. Neil
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
On 31 March 2015 at 22:22, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org wrote: Wow I'm impressed. I literally had 20 mins before I was going to leave work. So I thought I'd run a quick install your product. I spun up a new VM from a template and within 20 mins (following the excellent documentation) I was up and running. Not only that but all my VMware servers datastores some switches and some 20 hosts were put in instantly and they picked them all up perfectly. Literally by tomorrow morning in my first hour I'll have replaced Observium from my life with hope of there actually being continued development of this product. Excellent work. You have a new fan. I'll be in touch with equipment / SNMP information for you as well. Thanks for the feedback, it's nice to know that we can make a difference. If I'm honest though, I'd prefer bad feedback so we can improve things :D I'm sure you will find issues / bugs as we forked from an older code base, if you do please let us know and we will do what we can to sort things out for you. Neil
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
I heard of LibreNMS and its fork when Observium changed licenses, but the last time I looked at LibreNMS it was missing enough things from Observium that made Adam worth putting up with. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Neil Lathwood neil.lathw...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 12:24:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Hi Folks, Apologies I couldn't reply directly to this thread but I wasn't subscribed earlier. Someone from the Observium IRC channel directed me to this thread. I help develop a fork of Observium called LibreNMS ( www.librenms.org ) and wanted to see if anyone would be willing to provide us access to or at least an snmpwalk of some of the kit you would all like to be monitored in software like ours. We have someone who is contributing support for ubnt kit pretty soon but we'd like to extend support out for as many products as we can so if you feel like you can help achieve this then please get in touch. Hope you don't mind me joining to post this :) Thanks,
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
I don't know, but it's annoying. I've been indirectly putting up with his attitude up to this point. Bottom line: if you're an asshole to people and won't add features they're asking for (and willing to pay directly for their development), then good luck having a good product following long term - assuming their are proper alternatives. On 03/31/2015 02:06 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Do we know why Adam blows up whenever people specify OIDs they want to track? I've never bothered to figure it out myself. He made it seem like hte OID was such a small part of everything that needed to be done. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Neil Lathwood neil.lathw...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, March 31, 2015 1:08:23 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS On 31 March 2015 at 19:04, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org mailto:li...@wavedirect.org wrote: Yeah you should accept at least equipment donations :) Some of us may have spares we can part with and after you are done sell them to help buy other products you want to support. The donation of equipment is a huge . It wouldn't be necessary to send the kit anywhere just provide snmp access, that way we can see what data is available and work on adding support. Thanks, Neil
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Don't worry about him. That's Steve. He's just in on the comic joke. I does read that way but he's not implying it is. -Ty On Mar 31, 2015 5:16 PM, Neil Lathwood neil.lathw...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 March 2015 at 22:40, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: this whole thread plays out like a scripted product launch Sorry I'm unsure what you're referring to with this but this isn't a commercial product or exercise. Myself and lot of others invest a good amount of time in development for LibreNMS. Neil
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Sounds like this Adam guy doesn’t know the difference between being able to write some code and being a god or a rock star. Oh, I know, is he related to Bieber? From: Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 5:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I heard of LibreNMS and its fork when Observium changed licenses, but the last time I looked at LibreNMS it was missing enough things from Observium that made Adam worth putting up with. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Neil Lathwood neil.lathw...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 12:24:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS Hi Folks, Apologies I couldn't reply directly to this thread but I wasn't subscribed earlier. Someone from the Observium IRC channel directed me to this thread. I help develop a fork of Observium called LibreNMS (www.librenms.org) and wanted to see if anyone would be willing to provide us access to or at least an snmpwalk of some of the kit you would all like to be monitored in software like ours. We have someone who is contributing support for ubnt kit pretty soon but we'd like to extend support out for as many products as we can so if you feel like you can help achieve this then please get in touch. Hope you don't mind me joining to post this :) Thanks,
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Don't worry about him. That's Steve. He's just in on the comic joke. I does read that way but he's not implying it is. Guess I've not been round long enough :) Neil
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Steve needs to prefix all his posts with sarcasm
and finish with /sarcasm
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/31/2015 3:33 PM, Neil Lathwood wrote:
Don't worry about him. That's Steve. He's just in on the comic
joke. I does read that way but he's not implying it is.
Guess I've not been round long enough :)
Neil
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
I should be more clear less often
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Steve needs to prefix all his posts with sarcasm
and finish with /sarcasm
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/31/2015 3:33 PM, Neil Lathwood wrote:
Don't worry about him. That's Steve. He's just in on the comic joke. I
does read that way but he's not implying it is.
Guess I've not been round long enough :)
Neil
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Lol I just realized my phone corrected cosmic to comic. The comic joke? A little redundant. -Ty On Mar 31, 2015 5:34 PM, Neil Lathwood neil.lathw...@gmail.com wrote: Don't worry about him. That's Steve. He's just in on the comic joke. I does read that way but he's not implying it is. Guess I've not been round long enough :) Neil
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Im working on clarification of my general demeanor
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote:
That wouldn't be NEARLY as fun.
On 03/31/2015 03:04 PM, That One Guy wrote:
I should be more clear less often
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Steve needs to prefix all his posts with sarcasm
and finish with /sarcasm
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/31/2015 3:33 PM, Neil Lathwood wrote:
Don't worry about him. That's Steve. He's just in on the comic joke. I
does read that way but he's not implying it is.
Guess I've not been round long enough :)
Neil
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
That wouldn't be NEARLY as fun.
On 03/31/2015 03:04 PM, That One Guy wrote:
I should be more clear less often
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Steve needs to prefix all his posts with sarcasm
and finish with /sarcasm
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/31/2015 3:33 PM, Neil Lathwood wrote:
Don't worry about him. That's Steve. He's just in on the
comic joke. I does read that way but he's not implying it is.
Guess I've not been round long enough :)
Neil
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
