Iran says Afghan opium yield increasing [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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> Iran says Afghan opium yield increasing
> By Guy Dinmore in Tehran
> Published: October 14 2002 11:55 | Last Updated: October 14 2002 11:55
> 
> A new wave of drugs is flowing towards Europe through Iran and Pakistan
> because of the international community's failure to deal with the root of the
> problem in Afghanistan, a narcotics conference in Tehran was told on Monday.
> 
> Ali Hashemi, head of Iran's anti-narcotics headquarters, told the Financial
> Times that estimates of this year's opium harvest in Afghanistan ranged from
> 3,500 to 4,000 tonnes, close to the record crop of 4,600 tonnes in 1999.
> 
> Afghanistan's poppy fields provide 90 per cent of the heroin that reaches
> Europe, mostly transiting Iran.
> 
> A ban on opium poppy cultivation imposed by the Taliban in its last year in
> power resulted in one of the lowest crops in recent years - less than 200
> tonnes in 2001.
> 
> But Mr Hashemi said crop substitution programmes had not been implemented and
> western governments had shown a "lack of co-operation" in dealing with drugs.
> 
> Describing Afghanistan as a "nexus of drugs, crime and terrorism", an official
> of the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime said the power vacuum that
> followed the overthrow of the Taliban a year ago allowed farmers to plant
> poppies again.
> 
> A UN survey showed that five Afghan provinces were heavily economically
> dependant on cultivating opium, he said. But another UN official pointed out
> that a growing amount of opium was originating in areas under the control of
> the Northern Alliance, which acted as US ground forces and now dominates much
> of the central government in Kabul.
> 
> Mehdi Abui, a senior anti-narcotics police commander in Iran, said clashes
> between Iranian security forces and heavily armed drug smugglers had increased
> this year, especially on the border with Pakistan.
> 
> Officials noted that although the Taliban had been heavily involved in the
> international drugs trade, their removal from power had not affected the
> ability of the armies of smugglers operating in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
> 
> Iran News on Monday expressed a commonly held sentiment in Iran that hundreds
> of Iranian police and soldiers are losing their lives fighting the smugglers
> in order to save Europes youth from the scourge of heroin.
> 
> "The Iranian public is sick and tired of spending tax payers money and
> sacrificing the precious lives of its younger generation in a struggle whose
> prime beneficiary is the western world," the newspaper commented.
> 
> But it is only in recent years, in an atmosphere of more open debate fostered
> by President Mohammad Khatami, that Iran has started to face up to its own
> drugs epidemic with addicts estimated to number more than 2m.
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America's For-Profit Secret Army [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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>America's For-Profit Secret Army
> 
> October 13, 2002
> By LESLIE WAYNE
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> With the war on terror already a year old and the
> possibility of war against Iraq growing by the day, a
> modern version of an ancient practice - one as old as
> warfare itself - is reasserting itself at the Pentagon.
> Mercenaries, as they were once known, are thriving - only
> this time they are called private military contractors, and
> some are even subsidiaries of Fortune 500 companies.
> 
> The Pentagon cannot go to war without them.
> 
> Often run by
> retired military officers, including three- and four-star
> generals, private military contractors are the new business
> face of war. Blurring the line between military and
> civilian, they provide stand-ins for active soldiers in
> everything from logistical support to battlefield training
> and military advice at home and abroad.
> 
> Some are helping to conduct training exercises using live
> ammunition for American troops in Kuwait, under the code
> name Desert Spring. One has just been hired to guard
> President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan, the target of a
> recent assassination attempt. Another is helping to write
> the book on airport security. Others have employees who don
> their old uniforms to work under contract as military
> recruiters and instructors in R.O.T.C. classes, selecting
> and training the next generation of soldiers.
> 
> In the darker recesses of the world, private contractors go
> where the Pentagon would prefer not to be seen, carrying
> out military exercises for the American government, far
> from Washington's view. In the last few years, they have
> sent their employees to Bosnia, Nigeria, Macedonia,
> Colombia and other global hot spots.
> 
> Motivated as much by profits as politics, these companies -
> about 35 all told in the United States - need the
> government's permission to be in business. A few are
> somewhat familiar names, like Kellogg Brown & Root, a
> subsidiary of the Halliburton Company that operates for the
> government in Cuba and Central Asia. Others have more
> cryptic names, like DynCorp; Vinnell, a subsidiary of TRW;
> SAIC; ICI of Oregon; and Logicon, a unit of Northrop
> Grumman. One of the best known, MPRI, boasts of having
> "more generals per square foot than in the Pentagon."
> 
> During the Persian Gulf war in 1991, one of every 50 people
> on the battlefield was an American civilian under contract;
> by the time of the peacekeeping effort in Bosnia in 1996,
> the figure was one in 10. No one knows for sure how big
> this secretive industry is, but some military experts
> estimate the global market at $100 billion. As for the
> public companies that own private military contractors,
> they say little if anything about them to shareholders.
> 
> "Contractors are indispensible," said John J. Hamre, deputy
> secretary of defense in the Clinton administration. "Will
> there be more in the future? Yes, and they are not just
> running the soup kitchens."
> 
> That means even more business, and profits, for contractors
> who perform tasks as mundane as maintaining barracks for
> overseas troops, as sophisticated as operating weapon
> systems or as secretive as intelligence-gathering in
> Africa. Many function near, or even at, the front lines,
> causing concern among military strategists about their
> safety and commitment if bullets start to fly.
> 
> The use of military contractors raises other troubling
> questions as well. In peace, they can act as a secret army
> outside of public view. In war, while providing functions
> crucial to the combat effort, they are not soldiers.
> Private contractors are not obligated to take orders or to
> follow military codes of conduct. Their legal obligation is
> solely to an employment contract, not to their country.
> 
> Private military contractors are flushing out drug
> traffickers in Colombia and turning the rag-tag militias of
> African nations into fighting machines. When a United
> Nations arms embargo restricted the American military in
> the Balkans, private military contractors were sent instead
> to train the local forces.
> 
> At times, the results have been disastrous.
> 
> In Bosnia,
> employees of DynCorp were found to be operating a sex-slave
> ring of young women who were held for prostitution after
> their passports were confiscated. In Croatia, local forces,
> trained by MPRI, used what they learned to conduct one of
> the worst episodes of "ethnic cleansing," an event that
> left more than 100,000 homeless and hundreds dead and
> resulted in war-crimes indictments. No employee of either
> firm has ever been charged in these incidents.
> 
> In Peru last year, a plane carrying an American missionary
> and her infant was accidentally shot down when a private
> military contractor misidentified it as on a drug smuggling
> flight.
> 
> MPRI, formerly known as Military Professionals Resources
> 

Micro Nuke Used in Bali ³Terrorist²Lookalike Attack [WWW

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> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/nuke/bali_nuke.htm
> 
> 
> 
> Micro Nuke Used in Bali ³Terrorist² Lookalike Attack
> Zionists forcing Australian support for American war on Iraq
> 
> Copyright Joe Vialls, 14 October 2002
> 
> At 11.05 p.m. local time on Saturday night, a giant blast scattered pieces of
> the Sari Nightclub right across  Kuta Beach in Bali, Indonesia. Though two
> other synchronized blasts shook the American Consulate and a Philippines
> travel agency office at exactly the same time, there were no injuries or
> deaths at these other locations, both of which served as mere ³flash cards² to
> reinforce the unexpected presence of ³Al Qaeda² in this beautiful tourist
> paradise.
> 
> Al who? So far as I am aware, the Muslim world does not yet have access to a
> sophisticated ³Special Atomic Demolition Munitions [SADM]², one of which
> certainly went critical in a sewer more than four feet below the road bed
> outside the Sari club.  Within five microseconds of detonation the awesome
> million-foot-per-second shock wave hurled two tons of road bed and sand
> particles upwards and outward in a deadly fan, cutting tourists to bloody
> ribbons and hurling body parts for several blocks. The body count is currently
> 187, with more than 300 injured.
> 
> The blast from this weapon was so severe that its detonation terminally
> damaged 47 buildings in the immediate area, and trashed more than one hundred
> vehicles. In the words of a tourist who earlier survived attacks on London
> during the nineties, ³I felt my hotel shake violently and ran to look out of
> the window.  In the distance I could see a large white mushroom cloud, and
> knew I wasn¹t looking at an ordinary attack.²
> 
> Photographic evidence proving the use of an unconventional weapon was edited
> out almost immediately by the major media, though not from the amateur video
> camera which provided the picture at top center above. It alone shows the deep
> crater being probed by Indonesian police and military with a [very long] pole.
> The very presence of the crater itself proves the weapon was detonated
> sub-surface, while the crater¹s depth in combination with its diameter, prove
> the depth at which the weapon was initially placed.
> 
> Anyone doubting the nuclear identity of this weapon should take a look at the
> biggest car bombs detonated in Northern Ireland during the thirty years of
> trouble, which ranged in size up to 1,000 pounds of conventional explosive.
> None of them left craters in the road, because simple physics dictate that
> shock waves always takes the line of least resistance ­ largely outwards and
> upwards to atmosphere. Nor am I aware of any 1,000 pound IRA car bomb trashing
> 47 buildings and 100 vehicles
> 
> An equally valid example would be the Israeli destruction of  Arafat¹s
> compound in Ramallah. Overall, the Jewish State took more than a week to trash
> significantly fewer than 47 buildings, despite the fact they were brazenly
> attacking every day with multiple 120-mm tank guns and Hellfire missiles.
> 
> It is factual information like this that helps us to analyze the available
> evidence at the crime scene, in order to determine which weapon or weapons
> were used, and hopefully by whom. At the very minimum the damage caused in the
> Kuta  Beach area would require an 8,000 pound HE blast-bomb of the sort used
> on London during the Second World War. Problem! How on earth do you squeeze
> 8,000 pounds of very bulky low-specific-gravity HE into a twelve-inch
> diameter sewerage pipe, located nearly five feet underground?
> 
> Obviously what you need is a specialized weapon significantly less than twelve
> inches in diameter, but with a blast capability significantly in excess of
> 8,000 pounds of conventional explosive. Believe me people, there is only one
> weapon for the job, which explains why you will probably never see the damning
> crater picture at the top of this page anywhere else.
> 
> The actual photograph of  SADM shown below is of an early version nominally
> rated at 10 tons TNT equivalent.   More recent variants are as small as a
> coffee mug, though still very heavy, and have explosive yields ranging from 2
> to 100 tons TNT equivalent.  Nations possessing such weapons include America,
> Britain, France, Israel and Russia, with China a distinct possibility. In
> turn, under top-secret defense agreements with one of more of the above
> nations, certain Commonwealth and other countries maintain a strictly limited
> stock of  ³proxy weapons² on their own sovereign territory.
> 
> Bearing in mind the fact that Bali is a hugely popular destination for
> Australians, many of whom were killed in the blast, the attack seems aimed at
> shifting Australian public opinion towards an attack on Iraq, or even an
> attack on Islam in general.
> 
> Until now most Australians have been loudly opposed to any premeditated strike
> on th

Israeli Kach Militants Attack US Consulate, Assault Security Guard [WWW.STOPNATO

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> Israeli Kach Militants Attack US Consulate, Assault Security Guard
> 
> Friday, July 19 2002 @ 05:36 PM GMT
> Palestine Chronicle Reporter
> 
> JERUSALEM: The Israeli militant group Kach staged a riot outside the US
> Consulate in Jerusalem Friday afternoon, attacking the Consulate and
> assaulting a Consulate security guard.
> 
> The condition of the security guard is unknown. Two rioters were held and
> questioned by the Israeli police, according to the Israeli army radio.
> 
> The riots were sparked in protest of what Kach calls America¹s Œbiased¹ and
> unjust intervention in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Kach supporters say
> that the US has no right interfering in Israel¹s domestic disputes.
> 
> Israel is the largest recipient of American foreign and military aid in the
> world, currently 4 out of 5 American tax dollars that are spent on foreign aid
> go directly to Israel.
> 
> Foreign aid¹s estimates to the Jewish state varies, while some put it around 3
> billion US dollars a year, others say that it reaches as high as 12 billion.
> 
> Meanwhile, the US congress has pressured the Bush administration to withhold
> all aid to the Palestinian Authority.
> 
> Israeli authorities are yet to comment on the US Consulate assault. 

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Western officials 'colluding with people traffickers' [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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> Western officials 'colluding with people traffickers'
> 
> Rory Carroll, Rome
> Tuesday July 23, 2002
> The Guardian 
> 
> Some western officials are undermining the fight against human trafficking by
> becoming cronies of Balkan pimps and having sex with the prostitutes they are
> supposed to rescue, according to a damning report published yesterday.
> 
> Criminal gangs who earn billions of pounds by trading women and children have
> corrupted elements of the local and international police forces and border
> guards at the forefront of Europe's crackdown.
> 
> The report, commissioned by the United Nations and the Organisation for
> Security and Cooperation in Europe, says trafficking in south-eastern Europe
> is growing worse despite - and in some cases because of - the international
> campaign to end the trade.
> 
> "Stories about local and international police frequenting bars, using the
> services of women and being on good terms with the owners and traffickers are
> legion," the report adds.
> 
> The presence of foreign soldiers in Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo, and western
> officials in other eastern European countries, is said to have fuelled the
> industry. 
> 
> "The international market for sex services as well as local demand has
> expanded, particularly in countries where there is a large international
> presence," the report says.
> 
> Such an environment deters prostitutes - in many cases teenage girls forced
> into the sex industry - from trying to escape, says the report, citing an
> alleged case in Sarajevo, the capital of Bosnia-Herzegovina, where police
> handed women over to traffickers after arresting them in a brothel.
> 
> "There is also information about Bulgarian border police who first took money
> from women to take them safely back to Bulgaria, only to deliver them back to
> the traffickers for additional money," the report adds.
> 
> Since illegal immigration became an electoral issue EU governments have
> promised improved coordination and resources to combat human trafficking but
> the reality, according to the 270-page report, is a shambles which has left
> women and children more vulnerable to exploitation.
> 
> "The attempts to come to grips with the problem of human trafficking have so
> far been toothless and without much success. Despite increased attention at
> the political level, few states have taken adequate measures to protect
> individuals from trafficking and its related human rights abuses," the report
> says. 
> 
> Not all of the women are abused. Ethnic conflict and economic meltdown have
> shredded incomes and opportunity, especially for women, and many choose to
> enter the west illegally to work as waitresses, nannies and prostitutes, the
> report points out.
> 
> It adds: "They are able to achieve their goals [and] are often able to improve
> the economic condition of their family and their own position within it."
> 
> But, according to the report, there is a separate category of women and
> children who end up the property of traffickers. It says they should be
> treated as victims of crime, not illegal immigrants and points out that they
> seldom get medical care for possible sexual diseases, or the chance to testify
> in court against the traffickers.
> 
> The criminal gangs are increasingly bolstered by ex-prostitutes who return
> home to recruit girls. Such women have been known to manipulate aid agencies,
> pretending they are fleeing their pimps, to gain a free flight.
> 
> Authorities pressured for results have allegedly distorted statistics. "For
> example, prevention of trafficking is used as an argument for refusing young
> women entry to a country or for refusing to issue them a visa, and then, in
> the police statistics, these cases are relabelled as successful cases of
> rescuing 'victims of trafficking'."
> 
> · Two people drowned and dozens were injured after an Italian coastal patrol
> boat hit a motor dinghy packed with suspected illegal immigrants and refugees
> near the Albanian coast, Italian customs officials said yesterday. 

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Israel Blocks Palestinian ISP [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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> From wired
> 
> Israel Blocks Palestinian ISP
> By Noah Shachtman
> 
> 2:00 a.m. July 16, 2002 PDT
> 
> For hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, getting to work, school or the
> market has been virtually impossible since Israel's latest anti-terror
> campaign began. Now, they won't be able to get online, either.
> 
> Early Monday morning, Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) troops took over the
> offices of Palnet, the leading Palestinian Internet service provider, shutting
> down the firm's operations. The move -- part of Israel's 3-week-old "Operation
> Determined Path," which has kept seven of the eight major Palestinian cities
> under strict curfew -- reduced Internet access to a trickle in the West Bank
> and Gaza. 
> 
> "The Israeli army stormed the office building where six (Palnet) employees
> were believed to be staying in order to maintain Internet service during this
> difficult time," the Palestinian pro-democracy group Miftah said in a
> statement. "Explosions were heard and the fate of the six (Palnet) employees
> is unknown. 
> 
> IDF sources verified that troops were operating in the Palnet building, but
> could not confirm any details of the operation.
> 
> The strike is part of a larger, intermittent effort by the Israeli military to
> hobble the Palestinians' communications and media infrastructure. In January,
> the IDF blew up the Ramallah offices of the Palestinian Broadcasting
> Corporation, the official voice of the Arafat government, after a member of
> Arafat's Fatah organization shot and killed six Israelis. A government
> spokesman called the corporation a "center of incitement against the state of
> Israel," after the attack.
> 
> In April, as part of Israel's "Operation Defensive Shield" anti-terror push,
> troops destroyed equipment at Palestinian radio and television stations.
> 
> Technology was targeted then, as well.
> 
> "Records were stolen, computers were smashed, and a big data node in Nablus
> was destroyed, and the school records of 2 million school children were lost,"
> said Nigel Parry, co-founder of the Electronic Intifada website.
> 
> To Israel's defenders, such moves are a justifiable means to fight terror.
> 
> "The Palestinians have declared war on Israel. And part of defending yourself
> in war is closing down the other side's communications," said Daniel Pipes,
> director of the pro-Israel Middle East Forum. "It's a way to reduce the
> ability to make war, and it's a way to show the Palestinians that the course
> of violence they're pursuing is not going to serve them well."
> 
> But less sympathetic observers see the Palnet shutdown and other events as
> another sign that the Israel government is trying to make life unbearable for
> the Palestinians.
> 
> "The occupation is not just a physical occupation. It goes beyond that,
> foreclosing the ability to communicate, to learn, to work," Judith Kipper,
> director of the Middle East program at the Center for Strategic and
> International Studies.
> 
> The IDF has recently been talking up the ways in which terrorists are using
> the Internet to plot and plan. In June, the IDF posted to its website a
> discussion allegedly taken from the Hamas site in which members debate whether
> arsenic, rat poison or cyanide would be most effective in killing Americans.
> 
> Hackers have repeatedly crippled pro-Hamas and Palestinian Authority Web
> pages. Almost exactly a year ago, the site of the official Palestinian news
> agency, Wafa, was shut down by such an attack, and an unofficial Hamas site
> was replaced with a link to porn.
> 
> But this official assault on Palnet will have far more wide-reaching
> consequences. 
> 
> "Palnet does the ISP services for most of the government agencies and a lot of
> the NGO's (non-government organizations)," Parry said. "Anyone who has a
> private dial-up account is going to have a Palnet account."
> 
> 
> 
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> If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better
> than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not
> your counsel or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands of those who feed
> you. May your chains set lightly upon you.
> Samuel Adams
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FW: [LIFE IN JAPAN] Shiga-ken bars foreigners from public housing [WWW.STOPNATO.

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> From: Arudou Debito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
> LANGUAGE BARRIERS:
> SHIGA PREFECTURE BARS FOREIGNERS
> FROM ITS PUBLIC HOUSING
> 
> Hello All.  Want to try some people power?  Got an issue for you that I
> think should not be left untouched.
> 
> Article from the Mainichi Shinbun yesterday states that Shiga Prefectural
> government bars foreignerswho do not speak Japanese (even those who bring
> along interpreters) from its public housing.
> 
> Have a look at the English translation I received from a news service.  My
> comments and some contact information (should you wish to make your opinion
> known to Shiga-ken) follow the article.
> 
> ===
>> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:48:16 +
>> 
>> Shiga bars non-Japanese speakers from public housing
>> 
>> OTSU -- Foreigners who do not speak Japanese have been barred from
>> applying to rent apartments owned by the Shiga Prefectural Government,
>> it was learned Wednesday.
>> 
>> Even though the law governing public housing does not require
>> Japanese-language ability as a precondition for moving into public
>> apartments, the prefectural government enacted its own rules to bar
>> foreigners, mainly Japanese-Brazilians, from its apartments.
>> 
>> The prefectural government defends its requirement of Japanese-language
>> abilities. "Those who can't handle daily conversations in Japanese tend
>> to have disputes with neighbors if they enter public apartments," an
>> official of the prefectural government's housing division said.
>> 
>> A support group for foreign residents of Shiga Prefecture criticizes the
>> practice as unfair. "It's unreasonable that only foreign residents can't
>> enjoy these public services even though they pay taxes."
>> 
>> There are prefectural government-run apartments for 3,100 households in
>> Shiga Prefecture. The prefectural government allows local residents to
>> apply to enter low-rent public housing on condition that they have never
>> failed to pay taxes and that their income is below a certain level.
>> 
>> Currently, approximately 150 households of foreign nationals are living
>> in apartments owned by the prefectural government, and about 80 of them
>> are Japanese-Brazilians.
>> 
>> Foreign nationals had been allowed to apply to rent public housing if
>> they have a one-year or longer residency permit.
>> 
>> In 1994, however, the prefectural government enforced new regulations
>> stipulating that those who apply to move in public housing must have
>> sufficient ability to handle daily conversations in Japanese.
>> 
>> In accordance with the rules, officials reject applications to rent
>> public apartments if they deem that the applicants do not speak
>> Japanese. The prefectural government does not even allow those who do
>> not understand Japanese to file applications even if accompanied by an
>> interpreter.
>> 
>> In sharp contrast to Shiga, the Shizuoka and Aichi prefectural
>> governments that have a large Japanese-Brazilian population in their
>> territories are actively helping non-Japanese-speaking foreigners to
>> apply to rent their public housing.
>> 
>> Aichi Prefecture, with a Brazilian population of some 51,000, holds
>> seminars on public housing in Portuguese and has prepared brochures on
>> such apartments in four languages, including English. Shizuoka
>> Prefecture has also compiled similar brochures in five languages.
>> 
>> The number of Japanese-Brazilians living in Japan to work has been
>> rapidly increasing since the Immigration Control and Refugee Recognition
>> Law was amended in 1990 to grant second- and third-generation
>> Japanese-Brazilians permanent residency status.
>> 
>> Many of them desperately need public housing because they have
>> difficulties in renting private apartments because their owners require
>> tenants to find guarantors. (Mainichi Shimbun, July 10, 2002)
> ===
> ARTICLE ENDS
> 
> Comments:
> This is a pretty silly move on the prefecture's part.  As they say,
> foreigners are taxpayers too, so they cannot be barred from public (as
> opposed to private) housing simply because of a language barrier.  This was
> dealt with in the Azumamura Swimming Pool incident
> (http://www.issho.org/nyujokinshi/azumamura/), where a village in Gunma-ken
> named Azumamura barred all foreigners from a public pool because of alleged
> roughhousing by some Brazilians.  Once the issue was raised publicly that
> Azumamura could not legally bar taxpayers (following a flood of emails,
> telephone calls, and media attention), the pool took down its no-foreigners
> sign and reopened to all.
> 
> The difference is, this time it's not just a pool.  It is a place for people
> to live--a fundamental part of people's lives.  Paid for by public monies.
> It should not be denied like this.
> 
> Background data ab

Data day snooping [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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Data day snooping

by Jamie Walters, Metro

Imagine a crime-free world where privacy doesn't exist; where governments
and advertisers know everything about everyone. This is the world 50 years
from now, according to Steven Spielberg's new film, Minority Report, where
people are willing to pass on masses of personal information in return for a
crime-free society.

It is fiction, yet the way we currently use and are used by technology has
led civil rights campaigners to say that, with the exception of psychics
detecting crimes before they're committed, many of the threats depicted in
the film are already with us. Consider your own daily routine and see how
much personal information you already give away.

9am: Walk to work

In London it is estimated a different CCTV camera will pick you up every
30sec. The entire journey to work will effectively be filmed across a
network of cameras, of which there are 2.5million in Britain alone. Not only
are these being used by the authorities, most large companies in the UK
employ them as well. This data is regularly misused on the Internet and by
salacious TV shows.

11am: Send or receive an e-mail

This will not only be monitored by your ISP; whether at work or home, the
message can also be seen by whoever runs your mail server and your
recipient's. And that's just the content of the message; the logs of whom
you are sending to and receiving from will be kept automatically by the ISP.
Despite the Home Secretary's recent climbdown over e-mail snooping, these
logs are still available to numerous government agencies.

2pm: Buy lunch using a loyalty card

Supermarkets use loyalty cards to develop a profile of your buying habits
and can link this to an address, e-mail and phone number. This information
is also misused. In the US, a supermarket called Von's was sued by a
customer, Robert Rivera, who'd broken his ankle after slipping in the store.
Von's obtained evidence that Rivera may have been drunk at the time from a
loyalty card showing regular alcohol purchases. He lost the case.

5.30pm: Phone home on a mobile

Mobile phones act like radio transmitters and receivers and, when turned on,
the phone company can pinpoint its location to within about 40m in a city.
With 3G phones this will come down to 10m, something that is getting
advertisers excited. Firms will soon be able to pay phone companies to send
text messages telling people to visit their store just as they walk past it.

7.30pm: Surf the Internet from home

All Web browsing records are stored by your ISP and, under current
proposals, will be kept for seven years. While these are only available to
government agencies, private companies have their own ways of tracking our
Web use. For instance, US firm Double Click has been making records of
access to a large number of sites. They built a huge database of people's
Web habits so their clients can target their Web adverts at specific
individuals.

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Military build up in American bases [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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> Story from the www.indymedia.org:8081 newswire
> 
> Article by: BA-CESI Thursday 04 Jul 2002
> 
> Summary:...seven thousand US soldiers arrived in Turkey during the last two
> weeksthis number will increase to twenty-five thousand in July. ... 20
> thousand marines to Kuwait ...
> 
> Reference at indymedia website:
> http://www.indymedia.org:8081//front.php3?article_id=189945
> 
> Article: Fwd from a Middle East Activist:
> 
> This is the translation of an alarming report cabled by Iran\'s state-run
> news agency (IRNA) and appeared in today\'s Kayhan Newspaper in Tehran.
> 
> Hossein Alizadeh Campaign of conscience for the Iraqi People Fellowship of
> Reconciliation e-mail; [EMAIL PROTECTED] website:
> http://www.forusa.org/Programs/Iraq/default.html
> + +
> 
> Military build up in American bases in Qatar, Turkey
> 
> Damascus, Syria, Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA): Sources close to
> Damascus-based Iraqi opposition forces told IRNA that more than 3 thousand
> American troops have been recently stationed in the mountainous region of
> South east Turkey bordering Iraq . These sources, speaking on condition of
> anonymity, added that US plans to send a total of 25 thousand troops to its
> military base in incerlik (south east Turkey) of which some 7 thousand
> soldiers are already in the region. This is at a time when Americans are
> preparing 3 major military air fields in Iraq Kurdistan (including Bamerli
> base) for landing their C-130 planes. Earlier British newspaper Independent
> indicated that CIA has selected a number of military airfields in Arbil,
> Dahuk and Suleimaniyeh in northern Iraq to be used in imminet US assault
> agaisnt Iraq.
> 
> Meanwhile the Alqanat Arabic news website quoted diplomatic sources in
> Qatar\'s capital that the US Al-Adid military base in this Persian Gulf State
> has been witnessing an unprecedented level of activity in the past few days.
> Diplomats in Doha believe these military activities, which are taking place
> immediately after recent US threats against Iraq, are possibly in preparation
> for attacking this country.
> 
> <<
> 
> Subject: [iac-disc.] US Soldiers in Turkey for Iraq Operation? Date: Mon, 01
> Jul 2002 18:06:55 -0500 From: Rahul Mahajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: iac-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 
> Hello, all. A rough translation of an article in the Turkish newspaper Yeni
> Safak.
> 
> date of article is June 27, 2002.
> 
> 
> 
> In solidarity,
> 
> Rahul Mahajan
> 
> http://www.yenisafak.com.tr/arsiv/2002/haziran/27/g4.html
> 
> US Soldiers in Turkey
> 
> It has been reported that seven thousand us soldiers arrived in Turkey during
> the last two weeks. Most of the American soldiers who arrived in Turkey via
> large cargo planes have been settled in the ncirlik base near Adana.
> 
> Apparently, the military buildup in the region is because of U.S. plans to
> start an operation against Iraq in July or August.
> 
> It has been stated that US sent 7 thousand soldiers to Turkey for this
> purpose in the last two weeks and that this number will increase to twenty-
> five thousand in July. It has also been claimed that the U.S. plans to
> maintain a force of at least 35-40 thousand persons during the Iraq
> operation. According to the information received, U.S. has accelerated its
> contacts with the Iraqi dissidents. The U.S. administration has been in
> frequent contact mainly with KDP head Massoud Barzani, as well as increasing
> its contacts with some Iraqi dissidents.
> 
> Kuwait would like Assurances.
> 
> At the same time, it has been learned that Kuwait would like security
> guarantees from the United States. Kuwait has communicated to the United
> States that they are worried that Iraq would strike them in case of a
> possible war and thus would like a substantial military build-up near the
> Kuwait-Iraq border. It\'s been learned that the U.S. has assigned 20 thousand
> marines to the task, which it found to be a reasonable request. Reports
> indicate that a small number of the marines are transferred to land, while
> the majority of them are kept ready at airbases. According to information
> obtained from sources in the foreign ministry, the US has been sending envoy
> teams to the regions in the past 10 days. The sources point out that the
> envoys sent to Northern Iraq, Egypt and Saudi Arabia may be connected to an
> operation against Iraq, and that they expect the region to come under even
> more turmoil in January and February.
> 
> 
> 
> From the Bay Area Coalition to End the Sanctions on Iraq (ba-cesi) e-list:
> 
> - \"As-Safir\" Beirut, Saturday, 29 June 2002.
> 
> American Forces In Northern Iraq
> 
> London - \"as-Safir\": Highly informed diplomatic sources have disclosed to
> \"as-Safir\" that the United States of America has begun to carry out a plan
> of security and military 

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on 8/7/02 08:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

> 
> Can someone translate this? My french is not that good!
> 
> 
...

Unless you don't want to use automatic translation software which is so much
fun, if you can read English here is the English version;-)

http://www.neue-einheit.com/frame/engindex1.htm

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Cabinet in arms to Israel row [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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> 
> From http://www.observer.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,750948,00.html
> Cabinet in arms to Israel row
> 
> Kamal Ahmed, political editor
> Sunday July 7, 2002
> The Observer
> 
> Britain is bypassing its own arms embargo on Israel by selling military
> equipment via
> America.
> 
> In a move that has split the Cabinet, the Foreign Office is set to reveal that
> components for F16 fighter planes will be allowed to leave the country despite
> being
> destined for aircraft already sold to Ariel Sharon's government.
> 
> The move will be viewed with dismay by Arab states and anti-arms campaigners
> who
> say the arming of Israel raises tension in the area. One senior Government
> figure
> said there was a 'clear understanding' the fighter planes could be used for
> aggressive acts against the Occupied Territories, in direct contradiction to
> Tony
> Blair's call for peace.
> 
> Israel regularly uses F16s for assaults on the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.
> They
> have been used in attacks on Rafah and the Palestinian securty compound in
> Nablus, killing civilians.
> 
> Government sources admitted the issue was 'delicate' and that rules on sales
> to
> embargoed countries via third countries were vague. One said the charge of
> hypocrisy would be 'difficult to head off'.
> 
> 'We look at these things on a case-by-case basis,' said one senior Downing
> Street
> official. 'We have to make it clear we will only sell to countries where there
> are
> effective procedures for controlling which countries the equipment is sold on
> to.'
> 
> The deal will again focus attention on the Government's attitude to military
> sales
> abroad and raise the possibility that any arms embargo can be bypassed by
> selling to
> a third country.
> 
> The Government was condemned this year when it was revealed it was backing a
> £28 million military air traffic control system for Tanzania despite claims
> the country
> did not need and could not afford such a high-tech system.
> 
> The Ministry of Defence has been pushing for the Israel deal to go through,
> despite
> opposition from Patricia Hewitt, the Trade and Industry Secretary. She is
> worried
> about the negative message such a deal sends to Arab supporters and the rest
> of
> the European Union.
> 
> However, Hewitt will now back the deal as long as the rules on future
> contracts to
> third countries are clear. Britain is to provide sophisticated navigation and
> targeting
> equipment for the F16s, which are being built in America for Israel.
> 
> The 'head-up displays' allow pilots to see positional and weapons information
> displayed in front of each eye without having to look at separate dials. It is
> sold as
> allowing pilots to fly with fewer distractions and increasing the accuracy of
> bombing
> raids.
> 
> The MoD admitted the contract was part of a wooing exercise to get US military
> business. Britain and the US are already planning a £100 billion joint strike
> fighter
> project.
> 
> 'We have to get as much of that business as possible and we cannot be
> prescriptive
> on what we will and won't sell them,' said one MoD source. 'The British
> defence
> industry employs tens of thousands of people. We have to show we are a
> reliable
> supplier of high-tech defence equipment.'
> 
> The Foreign Office has already officially warned Israel about using British
> equipment
> to target the Occupied Territories.
> 
> In May, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw demanded an explanation from Sharon's
> government about the use of British military equipment in tanks and attack
> helicopters. Straw was furious that their use had come to light despite a
> written
> pledge from Israel in November 2000 that said 'no UK-originated equipment . .
> . is
> used as part of the defence force's activities in the territories'.
> 
> Campaigners against the new Israeli arms deal will point to guidelines
> published by
> the Government in 1997. They said that departments 'will not issue an export
> licence
> if there is a clearly identifiable risk that the intended recipient would use
> the proposed
> export aggressively against another country'.
> 
> Although the Palestinian Authority areas are not officially a country, Blair
> has said
> that he supports a separate Palestinian state.
> 
> Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2002

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Israel stung by imports ruling [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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> From http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,750538,00.html
> 
> 
> Israel stung by imports ruling
> 
> Suzanne Goldenberg in Jerusalem
> Saturday July 6, 2002
> The Guardian
> 
> British supermarkets have been told that they must clearly identify produce on
> sale
> from the illegal Jewish settlements of the West Bank and Gaza.
> 
> The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said yesterday that it
> told
> importers last week that cherry tomatoes, baby potatoes, avocados, fruit juice
> and
> flowers grown in the illegal outposts could no longer be sold under the
> "Produce of
> Israel" label.
> 
> "Supermarket customers over here raised questions about produce with
> supermarkets, who raised it with us," it said.
> 
> "Produce from these occupied territories ought not to be labelled 'Produce of
> Israel',
> because the territories are not recognised as part of Israel."
> 
> The directive is largely symbolic. The value of exports from the settlements
> to the
> whole of the EU amounts to €20m (£13m) .
> 
> Nevertheless, the decision has dismayed the Israeli authorities, because it
> comes at
> a time of increasing sensitivity about Israel's isolation in the international
> community.
> 
> As far as Israel is concerned, the Palestinian uprising is a war of words as
> much as
> of weapons, and there is deep unease about the boycott of Israeli academics
> and
> goods from Israel proper by Palestinian solidarity campaigners in Britain.
> 
> The foreign ministry said Israel was still considering its response. But the
> newspaper
> Ha'aretz reported that embassy officials were stunned by the directive and had
> complained that it was unfair and discriminatory.
> 
> Israeli peace activists, who have urged their fellow citizens to boycott
> settlement
> produce, welcomed the directive.
> 
> "This is a very important step because this, in fact, is the crux of the
> issue," said
> Adam Keller, of Gush Shalom.
> 
> "The issue is very simple: are these territories inside Israel, or are they
> not part of
> Israel?"
> 
> The EU has stiffened its rules of origin, which means goods from the
> settlements will
> be subject to customs duty, unlike exports from Israel proper.
> 
> Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2002

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9/11: Demand To See The Video Footage [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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> -Caveat Lector- http://www.babelmagazine.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 9/11: Demand To See The Video Footage
> by Art Bishop   
> 
> 
> The Sherlock Holmes mystery the "Silver Blaze" was about the theft of an
> expensive race horse from its stable. During the investigation, Inspector
> Gregory of Scotland Yard asked Holmes if there was any particular aspect of
> the crime calling for additional study. Holmes replied "Yes," and pointed to
> "the curious incident of the dog in the nighttime." Inspector Gregory replied,
> "The dog did nothing in the night-time." Holmes said, "That was the curious
> incident." In this case, the failure of the dog to bark when Silver Blaze was
> stolen showed the watch dog knew the thief. This was an important material
> fact; it considerably reduced the number of suspects, and eventually solved
> the case. 
> 
> Having said that; I would like to ask one question: I have searched the web
> thru and thru and high and low but could find NOTHING to answer my question.
> So, short of asking Jeeves, I would like to toss the question out to you and
> you tell me. As far as I know, this is the FIRST time this question has ever
> bin raised on the Internet, or ANYWHERE else.
> 
> As anyone who has been to a modern day airport has probably noticed, there are
> security cameras that record your every move from the minute your car drives
> in the parking lot to you walking up to the ticket counter - to you going
> through the x-ray machine to you sitting in the departure lounge and boarding
> your plane. 
> 
> Are you with me so far? Does anyone dispute this FACT? Can anyone tell you
> otherwise? 
> 
> Okay, now to my question. I want to take you to a black-and-white
> still-picture shown to the WORLD of two men checking in to an airport. One of
> them was called Atta, the other was ... does anyone remember his name? Does
> anybody really care? We got the BIG BAD ARAB MOSLEM ringleader Mohammad Atta.
> That's all that matters, right?
> 
> WRONG. 
> 
> The question that has been nagging me for nine months that NOBODY has asked
> is: Where the hell is the footage of the 17 OTHER 'hijackers'? All we were
> shown were 19 passport pictures of 19 'dead men.' I'd like to see the footage
> of ALL of the 19 'hijackers' entering the airport, checking in, going through
> the x-ray machines, and boarding the bloody plane. Please, do you mind,
> MR.BUSH? 
> 
> I'd even settle to see some still-pictures of them checking into the airport.
> Is it too much to ask? I need proof. I hunger for the truth. I don't trust the
> F.B.I. any more (or is it the F.I.B.)? Do you?
> 
> Even the smallest 7-11 store has a video camera and VCR taping 24 hours a day.
> Those airport cameras are pointed in one direction (direction can be
> controlled by viewers in the nerve center) and are ALL over the airport. There
> is NO WAY that the "19 ALLEGED" hijackers ... (I say ALLEGED because I have
> seen NO PROOF AS OF TODAY) could have gotten on those planes without getting
> their video taken at VARIOUS parts of the airport.
> 
> I don't think that ANY PASSENGER could get in any airport in the USA
> regardless of how SMALL or how BIG the airport and board a plane without
> having his picture taken SEVERAL TIMES. So where the flock are those tapes and
> why won't they show us so I can shut up and go home?
> 
> You know what? IF they had those tapes ... they WOULDA SHOWN them to us OVER
> and OVER and OVER. But they don't have them!
> 
> Forgive me for doubting and bringing up this maybe irrelevant point, but these
> are extraordinary times, and these are very relevant questions you should be
> asking yourselves. And while we're at it, I have six more NAGGING questions:
> 
> 1) I'd like to see pictures of the plane that crashed into the Pennsylvania
> countryside. I never saw ONE shred of debris of a plane. Did you? Has anybody
> seen ONE picture of a plane? In this day and age where we have footage of the
> lowliest car chase, we only have ONE picture of that plane that crashed in
> Pittsburg? All I saw were trees and some sort of sand dune debris in the
> background. I am in no way implying anything, but PLEASE SHOW US. And that
> BLACK BOX should be made public. It's fishy/suspicious to say the least when
> it is only "revealed" to the grieving family members who were sworn to
> secrecy. Has anyone heard a peep from them since? Why the secrecy? Because
> there was NO MENTION of ARABS anywhere on these taped conversations? If there
> INDEED were ARAB HIJACKERS, then we would've heard at least ONE "dirty Arab!"
> from one of the alleged passenger conversations, don't you think?
> 
> 2) I'd like to see the same for the Pentagon 'plane crash.' I have gone
> through ALL the pictures made available. Where's the plane? Where are the
> wings? Where is the tail? Did the four engines evaporate into thin air? Where
> are the black boxes (supposedly found September 14) for crying out loud? W

Re: Request for action from the administrator of this list[WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK

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on 7/7/02 02:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK
> ---
> 
> To the administrator of the Anti-NATO list.
> 
> I ask you to formally  take action to remove Rolf Martens from this list,
> this person is just insane..
> 
> I found this answer to my last post on some other list...while I was randomly
> browsing the web
> 
> I  guess you censored it and prevented the fire this guy wants to set from
> spreading and you were right.
> 
> This  guy needs a therapy , wipe him off this list.
> 
...

Il t'a bien eu kiosk;-)

Ca t'apprendra, de prendre des connards pour de l'argent comptant. Son cas
est au dela de tout ce que l'homme puisse imaginer. Pas de guerison. Ca fait
3 ans qu'il me casse les burnes...

T' occupe pas, laisse le pourrir dans son coin.


-- 
Salutations

Quand, j'aide les pauvres on m'appelle saint, mais quand j'explique pourquoi
ils sont pauvres on m'appelle communiste!

X. Camara 

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Re: Nuclear "waste" in the West Bank - should be welcomed![WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK

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on 6/7/02 05:44, Rolf Martens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> *A little more* ionizing radiation than that which people in
> most areas in the world (including e.g. the West Bank) today
> are receiving from natural sources - a suitable, not too big,
> addition to that amount - actually is *beneficial* for their
> health, and by no means detrimental.
...
Pt amigo, what do you smoke and can I have some of it?

Are you under any medication for psychic disorder? Are under influence of
spirits or what?

BTW
I can fix for you a sojourn at a place with some nuclear "waste". I am sure
radiation will help you to clarify more your already clear cut thoughts.

Unless you did it already...

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Preliminary Analysis of LAX Shooting and Media Coverage [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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> 
> From: "Michael C. Ruppert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 14:52:22 -0700
> To: "From The Wilderness " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] Preliminary Analysis of LAX Shooting and Media Coverage
> 
> -Caveat Lector- 
> 
> July 4th, 2002, 2:45 PM PDT, (FTW) -- Earlier today three people were shot and
> killed at the El Al ticket counter at LAX. Media coverage to this point has
> not established whether this was or was not a terrorist-related incident.
> There are conflicting stories. Israeli sources have told CNN they believe it
> was while the LAPD and FBI are saying that they believe this to be an isolated
> incident. 
> 
> What strikes me about all of the coverage that I have viewed today is that
> there has been no discussion as to what effect this has had on the FAA and
> airline flights throughout the country and the world. LAX¹s Bradley
> International Terminal remains closed with the remainder of LAX¹s operations
> in disarray. 
> 
> This is certain to have a ripple effect in ALL international air travel on
> this date. Flights from all over the world scheduled to fly into LAX are most
> likely being held on the ground from Paris to Beijing. Planes must be stacking
> up on the ground. The ripples will have already disrupted air travel globally
> and I am concerned as to what impact this will have on air traffic control ­
> especially in the US. The longer it is before normal operations are restored,
> the deeper will be the disruption to scheduled flight operations.
> 
> If this is a terrorist action ­ and I stress that this has not been confirmed
> ­ then a scenario that I consider likely is a disruption at another US airport
> which might then effectively throw the nation¹s air traffic control system
> into chaos. That could be the prelude to a significant terror attack of ANY
> kind as resources are diverted and scattered from other operations.
> 
> I suggest watching for any coverage of the effect of this incident on air
> traffic control and flight operations. A press conference that just concluded
> at LAX did not even address the issue. Why?
> 
> The primary hours of concern to day are between now and approximately 7 PM
> PDT, after which time national activity will have diminished greatly, except
> on the West Coast, and press coverage of any attack will roll over into July
> 5th. 
> 
> Mike Ruppert 
> 
> Publisher/Editor 
> 
> ³From The Wilderness²
> 
> www.copvcia.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: On St. Vitus Day (by Nebojsa Malic) [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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on 29/6/02 00:37, KKE Thessaloniki at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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> www.action-salonika2003.org

...

Kardasia, thn Ellhnikh polh thne lene Thessaloniki. H Salonika den einai
polh ellhnikh, einai polh allwnw.

Diavaste kai ligo thn istoria ths polhs ;-)

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Re: Switzerland Pay Off Nazi Victims [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK][LONG]

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on 27/6/02 06:27, Miroslav Antic at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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> 
> Switzerland Pay Off Nazi Victims
> 
> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
> 
Nazi victims you said? Hmmm!!!

Have a look and enjoy, that is if you can ;-)

>> 
>> Bankers and Robbers
>   
>> By Israel Shamir
>> 
>> "Swiss Holocaust cash revealed to be myth", announced the Times this Saturday
>> (October, 13), lowering curtain on one of the bizarre and obnoxious dramas of
>> extortion and robbery. It began in 1995, as two important gentlemen, Edgar
>> Bronfman, chairman of the World Jewish Congress, and Abraham Burg, a rising
>> star of Israeli politics, visited Swiss banks on a humanitarian mission. "You
>> have billions of dollars deposited by the Jews before WWII, they said. - We
>> want the moneys repaid immediately, whilst the survivors of the Jewish
>> holocaust are still alive. Let them enjoy the last years of their life in
>> relative comfort', they said. Bronfman and Burg were the men banks and
>> insurance companies wake up and listen to.
>> 
>> Edgar Bronfman inherited his billions from his father Sam, a Mafia boss. Sam
>> made his fortune by the illegal trafficking of booze into the US: he blended
>> the stuff in Canada and smuggled it across the lake through his network of
>> gangsters during the Prohibition period. Sam Bronfman made even more money as
>> a loan shark. Shortly before his death, he was asked by a journalist, what is
>> the greatest invention of mankind? True to form, he replied, interest on
>> loans.
>> 
>> The capitals earned by crime and squeezed from debtors could help in
>> politics.
>> In Jewish politics as well, as you do not have to be elected to become an
>> important figure. You can always rent two rooms in an office building and put
>> a sign of World Jewish Association, Survivors' Forum or Jewish Liberation
>> Organization, and you are in the business. There is no copyright to such
>> titles. Bronfman's World Jewish Congress was exactly such a tiny body with
>> such a grand title. Before Bronfman, it had this or other nice Jewish
>> fatherly
>> figure in the chair, such as his predecessor Nahum Goldmann, but it pulled no
>> strings and cut no ice. With vast capital of Bronfman, it became a power
>> structure.
>> 
>> Avrum (Abraham) Burg, the speaker of the Israeli Knesset (Parliament) and a
>> candidate to the leadership of Israeli Labour, was the son of an important
>> Israeli politician, a leader of the National Religious Party, Dr Burg, who
>> served all governments of Israel as a Minister for 40 years until his demise.
>> Avrum provided a good sound-byte on ABC Nightline on 2.8.01, when he
>> described
>> Palestinians as `people you do not want your daughter to get married to'.
>> Avrum needed a sponsor to get forward in politics, while Bronfman needed a
>> reliable Israeli partner for his plan.
>> 
>> No bank or insurance company could refuse such important gentlemen. After
>> short resistance, the Swiss gnomes gave in, and the titular heads of Jews
>> walked away with large pot of cash. `These Jews want to rob our banks and
>> insurance companies in the name of their holocaust', the Swiss probably
>> fumigated. But they were mistaken.
>> 
>> While this story began as Elders of Zion Revisited, its continuation followed
>> the script of the Sting. Six years passed by, but almost no money left the
>> benevolent grasp of international commissions created by Bronfman and Burg.
>> Practically nothing was given to the survivors of the Jewish holocaust. The
>> moneys were misappropriated by the same people that demanded justice for the
>> victims.
>> 
>> Recently the authoritative LA Times [on this site] stated: "An international
>> commission created to resolve Holocaust-era insurance disputes has reportedly
>> spent more than $30 million on salaries, hotel bills and newspaper ads while
>> distributing only $3 million to claimants". The members of the commission
>> turned it into a high class travel agency and entertainment spot, LA Times
>> wrote: `The documents show that since 1998 the commission has held at least
>> 18
>> meetings with up to 100 participants at hotels in London, Jerusalem, Rome,
>> Washington and New York'. As to the slave labour settlement, The Independent
>> [on this site] reported, `while the victims of the Holocaust will receive
>> (maybe) between USD 2,500 and USD 7,500, the  lawyers who negotiated
>> the settlement will collect fees well in excess of 1 m each'.
>> 
>> Now, the Times reported that Swiss banks checked the dormant accounts and
>> found that they did not even belong to the Jewish victims of Holocaust. They
>> belonged mainly to `wealthy non-Jewish people who forgot about their money'.
>> The Swiss haven't not paid $1.5 b to Bronfman and Burg, because they became
>> convinced in their claims. They paid because they had no choice, Bronfman
>> (together with Mark

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> In a message dated 6/23/2002 8:27:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> 
>> haven't spent much time looking at Hanoch Marmari's stuff, but from what
>> I've seen, I'd say Hanoch Marmari hit the nail on the head.
>> 
>> 
>> Miroslav
>> 

With all due respect Miro I am not convinced of the "honest reporting" from
biased sources ;-)

>> Distortion of Facts EXAMPLE: In reporting on violence of Joseph's Tomb, > HREF="http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/meast/10/07/mideast.violence/index.html";>
>> CNN 
>> writes: 
>> 
 Meanwhile, at least 77 people, mostly Palestinians have died during
>>> several fierce clashes at Joseph's Tomb during the past week. The lone
>>> Israeli soldier to die during the clashes bled to death in the tomb as
>>> rescuers tried for hours to reach him.
>> 
>> 
>> CNN's claim that 77 people died in one week of clashes at Joseph's Tomb is
>> a gross factual inaccuracy. Since one Israeli was killed, 76 were obviously
>> Palestinian. Yet in truth, six Palestinians and one Israeli soldier had
>> died during that week of clashes at Joseph's Tomb.
>> 
> 
> Three Palestinians were killed in the fight, including a 12-year-old boy. Six
> more Palestinians died in clashes elsewhere in the West Bank and Gaza. More
> than 1,000 people were injured, by Palestinian count.
> 
> She didn't hit the nail on the head.

News are written and rewritten so they can slip easier through the throat of
the goy. But do not take my word for granted, seek..etc. Just follow the
link below, but be warned it is not for those who faint easily.

http://www.ukar.org/asper/asper01.html

A quick check at the list didn't reveal any relative info. Is it no news?

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> Just curious to know what country?
> 
> 
> G.R. wrote:
>> on 28/4/02 09:46, Miroslav Antic at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> ...

Greece. But that was a common practice in Europe under the Nazi occupation.
The German retribution has been terrible for the civil population.

As usual with any occupator in history.

The only thing that changes is that after the war, big countries (e.g.
France) and "the righteous victims" got compensated for their sufferings. In
Greece the last day before their departure the Germans sunk all the Greek
trains that had been "borrowed" from the occupation forces. So next day
after the German departure Greeks had no trains. But the retreating Germans
manage to leave Greece unharmed since Greeks listen to the message of
Churchill to let them leave so so they regroup in Yugoslavia where the
"Allies" were to intervene next. But Germans had to cross Yugoslavia. And
the Tito and the "Chetniks" (honour to their names) were waiting them to
come and gave them some very good lessons.

And I don't know, but I am rather convinced that Yugos as well were never
got a penny from the Germans either.

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on 28/4/02 09:46, Miroslav Antic at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
> Terrorists who had publicly bragged that they would fight to the last bullet,
> and who publicly delighted in ambushing 13 Israeli reservists ­ fathers and
> husbands called to the battle against the extremists that the cowardly Mr
> Arafat refused to fight, heads of families who will never return.
...
I still remember in my native land that the Germans during WWII when they
occupied it had been using the same lingo for those fighting and killing
German soldiers in battles or in ambush.

The price to pay then was 10 civilians executed for a soldier and 50 for an
officer. Sometimes also for an important sabotage would be the rounding up
and execution of the whole male population of villages from 15 yo to 60 yo
and destruction of houses. Sometimes they would be taken in custody and
tortured to death always documented by the "SS". The reason for the
retribution was, sometimes citing the Geneva conventions, that "only regular
army can fight with regular army".*

Of course all the paid and unpaid typewriters in the service of Israel have
always failed to remark these striking facts. "It is not by accident or
voluntary. It is unavoidable".

*
BTW The striking difference is that though everything is documented neither
the country nor the victims have ever got a penny from Germany in contrast
with "the righteous victims" that have being compensated several times and
for several reasons for real or imaginary sufferings.

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Re: Bulldozers destroy Arafat's cars [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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on 29/4/02 01:44, Miroslav Antic at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> GAZA, April 27 (UPI) -- Israeli army bulldozers Saturday destroyed cars that
> belong to Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's convoy, official Palestinian
> sources at Arafat's office in Ramallah reported.
> 
> The sources said the bulldozers powered into Arafat's compound and destroyed
> seven presidential armored Mercedes.
> 
> Witnesses in Arafat's office said the bulldozers also flattened the
> presidential guards' vans and Cherokee jeeps.
...

Why to protest? How often did Israelis and Jews recompensed their victims?
 
It took more than 20 years of judicial fights against the Jewish state to
pay for the life of a Moroccan immigrant who was killed mistakenly by the
Mossad not in a bandustan but in Denmark.

It has been fifty years now that the goy has to pay and repay for whatever
the Israelis claim or destroy (edit as appropriate) in the Middle Eastern
countries.

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Re: more on 09-11/short version [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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> Can someone please supply an English translation?
> 
> 
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Here it comes. Though the text mainly comes from babelfish I checked its
accuracy and looks more or less ok.

Cheers!

> 
> Conference of Thierry Meyssan under the auspices of the Arab League Which
> financed the attacks of September 11?
> 
> Arab version 
> 
> We reproduce below the text of the conference pronounced by Thierry Meyssan,
> April 8, 2002, in the Zayed Centre, Abu Dhabi (United Arab Emirates), under
> the auspices of the Arab League, in the presence of the diplomatic corps and
> of the international press. This intervention was followed questions and
> answers which are in the course of transcription and of translation.
> 
> Your Majesty, Excellencies, Mesdames, Messrs,
> 
> 
> As of the first minutes which followed the first attack against World Trade
> Centre, officials suggested at the press that the sleeping partner was Oussama
> Ben Laden, the paradigm of Eastern fanaticism. A little later the very new
> director of the FBI, Robert Mueller III, showed by name nineteen kamikazes and
> required all the means of his agency and the services of information to track
> their accomplices. The FBI never proceeded thus to an investigation, but
> co-ordinated a hunting for the man who took, on the eyes of the American
> public, the pace of a hunting for the Arab. So much so that some excited
> attacked, even killed, of the Arabs whom they naively regarded as collectively
> responsible for the attacks.
> 
> There no was either investigation of the Congress. This one gave up exerting
> its constitutional function at the request of the White House, allegedly not
> to attack the national security.
> 
> There was neither investigation of the press. This one was convened in the
> White House and was summoned to abstain from any investigation not to harm the
> national security.
> 
> If we analyse the attacks of September 11, we notice initially who they are
> vaster than recognises it the official version:
> 
> 1) We know only the implication of four planes, whereas it was one moment
> question of eleven planes. Moreover, the examination of the crimes of insider
> trading made in margin of the attacks shows bear speculations on three
> companies of aviation: American Airlines, United Airlines and Royal KLM Deutch
> Airlines. 
> 
> 2) We did not integrate the attack made into the appendix of the White House,
> Old Executive Office Building (known as " Eisenhower building "). However, the
> chain ABC diffused on line, the morning of September 11, of the images of a
> fire devastating the services of the presidency.
> 
> 3) We either did not take the measurement of the collapse of a third building
> in Manhattan, independently of Twin Towers. This third building had not been
> touched by a plane. It also was however devastated by a fire before breaking
> down in its turn following an unknown cause. This building sheltered the
> principal secret base of the CIA in the world. The agency devoted its means to
> it to the economic information to the detriment of the strategic information
> and large the dam of the lobby military-industrialist.
> 
> If we consider the attack made with the Pentagon, we note that the official
> version is an enormous lie.
> 
> According to the Defence Department, a Boeing 757, which one had lost the
> trace above Ohio would have crossed 500 kilometres without being located. It
> would have entered the airspace of the Pentagon and would be descended on the
> lawn from the heliport, would have rebounded on this one, would have broken
> its right wing against a power generating unit, would have struck the frontage
> on the level of the ground floor and of the first stage, would have entirely
> engulfed themselves in the building, and would have been entirely consumed
> there, leaving other remainders only two unusable black boxes and fragments of
> body of the passengers.
> 
> It is obviously impossible that a Boeing 757 can escape during 500 kilometres
> from the civil radars, the military radars, the fighters launched to its
> continuation, and with the satellites of observation which had been just
> activated. 
> 
> It is also impossible that a Boeing 757 enters the airspace of the Pentagon
> without being destroyed by the five batteries of missiles which protect the
> building. 
> 
> When one observes the photographs of the frontage, taken in the few minutes
> which followed the attack, before even as the civil firemen of Arlington did
> not have time to deploy, one observes no trace of the right wing on fire in
> front of the frontage, nor any hole in the frontage having allowed the plane
> to engulf itself in the building.
> 
> Without fear of ridiculous,

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on 28/3/02 12:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...
> The line "You take your allies where you can find them." is opportunist, for
> Margolis is no ally. If a political pundit occasionally contributes to the
> rectifying of a wrong, it doesn't make him an ally, he has merely served some
> use in the struggle.
> That's what Rick is upset about, because you appeared to give Margolis
> too much credit. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, but that doesn't
> mean it is running.
...

Very nice wording and very thoughtful Heather! Thanks indeed!


"When the finger was pointing at the moon the idiot was looking at the
finger."

Chinese proverb

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Re: Museum Recalls Tokyo Firebombing [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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> Published on Sunday, March 10, 2002 by the  HREF="http://www.ap.org/";>Associated Press
> 
> Targeting Civilians
> Museum Recalls Tokyo Firebombing
> A survivor of the U.S. attack, which killed 100,000, started the project to
> educate younger people.
> 
> 
> by Mari Yamaguchi
> 
> 
> TOKYO - When hundreds of American B-29 bombers sent waves of fire racing
> through Tokyo 57 years ago today, Katsumoto Saotome ran for his life,
> stumbling over burned corpses. All around him people were on fire, some of
> them his neighbors. Now 69, Saotome recalled his narrow escape at the opening
> of a museum dedicated to the firestorm on March 10, 1945, which killed more
> than 100,000 civilians and razed nearly half of Tokyo in the final months of
> World War II. 
...

Nice! While these are indeniable historical facts Japanese have been very
good by presenting only their victim face in this war they deliberately
provoke to give independence (dokuritsu wo saseru) to SE Asia. And they
always forget to talk about the unfair treaties, the forced prostitution of
the comfort women (ianfu), the rape of Nankin, the forced labour, the
concentration camps, the human guinea pigs of the unit 731 and sure I am
missing a lot.

If somebody will ask Mr. Saotome, why Japan, he probably will not be able to
answer the question. Japan's official line and ordinary Japanese' reaction
is to lie and deny the above sited facts. And do not take my words for
granted. Seek and you will find. A visit in today's Japan will convince you.
Japan IMHO is walking the same path of the past. For Japanese (as for apes
in "the planet of the apes") only Japanese are human beings. Other humans
are less than animals. Having this little secret in mind becomes more easy
to tell the untold.

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My Rejected Column [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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>My Rejected Column
>
>  by Jack Rain
>
>Two days after the Attack on America, I wrote a column stating my 
>suspicions that Israel might be behind the attack.  I knew my column 
>was a hot potato and really didn't expect it to be picked up by the 
>websites I submitted it to (I sent it to Strike The Root and 
>LewRockwell.com).  As expected, both Rob and Lew rejected the 
>column, but at least I was on record with them personally.  I didn't 
>send it to any anti-Jewish sites, which I am sure would have jumped 
>at the theorizing in the column.
>
>I didn't send it to those sites because I wasn't coming from an 
>anti-Israeli or anti-Jewish perspective.  If I had sent it to one of 
>those sites, it could very easily have been dismissed as an 
>anti-Semitic rant.  I have no such axe to grind.  I was simply 
>writing a column on a gut feel from my personal experiences on how 
>the world sometimes works.
>
>Since I wrote the column, my belief that Israeli operatives may have 
>played a role in the attack is even stronger.  It has since come out 
>that Secretary of State Colin Powell was to have given a speech 
>calling for a Palestinian state.  The attack preempted the speech, 
>which benefited Israel.
>
>Fox News and Justin Raimondo are both now implying, if not 
>completely stating, that Israel had to at least have known about the 
>attacks in advance.  I continue to contend that it MAY have played 
>some role.
>
>My original article is below; read it carefully.  Unlike George 
>Bush, I did not immediately accuse Israel the way Bush immediately 
>accused bin Laden.  I merely said that Israel was on my suspect list 
>based on the question, "Who benefits?"  With the new information 
>that the attack stopped a speech by Colin Powell calling for a 
>Palestinian state, the benefit of the attack for Israel now seems 
>greater than when I first wrote my column.
>
>The Fox News reporting on suspicious activity by some Israelis now 
>lends some facts to my speculative thinking.
>
>Misdirection is a hallmark of secret operatives, and I believe it 
>may have been used in the Attack on America.  Indeed, we know for a 
>fact that some of the terrorist hijackers who died in the suicide 
>attacks used misdirection even at the operational level when they 
>strapped weightlifting belts around their waists and told the 
>passengers they had bombs and were going to hijack the plane.  This 
>misdirection was designed to keep the passengers controlled and 
>stopped them from understanding the true purpose of the mission. 
>(It was only a hijacking, not a suicide mission.)
>
>Israeli operatives may or may not have been behind the Attack on 
>America, but I think Israel has clearly benefited.  They can, for 
>example, become much more aggressive "terrorist" fighters.  The 
>federal government has now frozen Hamas' money here in the United 
>States, and Colin Powell delayed his speech calling for a 
>Palestinian state.  Israel may have simply been a bystander aware of 
>the coming attack, and if so, my original column helps explain why 
>Israeli would have been a silent observer.  But I think if you 
>believe that they could have been a silent observer, you also have 
>to put them on the suspect list.  This doesn't mean that they 
>absolutely positively did it but, but simply that they cannot be 
>eliminated as suspects.  The developments since I wrote my original 
>column on September 13 only harden my convictions that Israel must 
>remain on the suspect list as perhaps having some role, bin Laden's 
>confession notwithstanding.
>
>Bin Laden may have had some role in the attack, but the most recent 
>videotapes leaves me even less convinced of this possibility.  In my 
>view, on the tapes bin Laden comes off as a lying braggart in front 
>of a potential money source ("Yeah I did it.  Boy, more donations 
>for my next evil scheme would be great right now.  Praise Allah.") 
>Real investigators know you always keep some information about a 
>crime secret to test the credibility of those confessing.  In the 
>videotape, bin Laden doesn't say anything about the attack that 
>couldn't have been gleaned from news reports.  He did not talk like 
>a man who was rationally analyzing the attack.  "Yeah, we hit three 
>of four targets.  By the way, that plane that crashed in 
>Pennsylvania was headed for XYZ.  We will get XYZ next time." It was 
>100% chest pumping which provided zero new facts that weren't 
>already in the public venue.
>
>Here is my original rejected column.  I believe it is time for a 

Re: MACEDONIA/GREECE - IT'S ALL IN THE NAME [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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>MACEDONIA/GREECE - IT'S ALL IN THE NAME

...

>  Greece has
>waged a campaign in the international media against the use of the same
>name as its northern province by any foreign power.

That's true! Many Europeans were also quick to lecture Greece over 
its reaction which has been restrained since the creation of this new 
"Macedonia" from Tito. I wonder what would have happened if Scopje 
had chosen to call itself not Macedonia but as Normandie or Westfalen 
or Flanders or Apoulia, or Glouchester or New Jersey or Anatolia. If 
using the name of a Greek province is fine with all the foreign 
powers why not to give it  the name of a non Greek province just for 
the hell of it?

>Suspicious that the new republic would impose territorial claims over
>Greek Macedonia, Athens refused to recognise it and imposed an economic
>blockade.

Suspicious? One must be a lame duck to such reporting. The 
territorial claims it is not new, came out several times and the last 
one was during WWII where Bulgaria and its sponsored "Macedonians" 
occupied Greek territory as Axis allies. And by watching around all 
the propaganda spread around by the so called "Macedonians" or 
descendants of Alexander the Great as they present themselves who has 
doubts about their agenda? And "Macedonians" are not alone into this 
game but have been also joined by Albanians into this came.

I still remember a paid "Macedonian" ad that appeared in "Le Monde" 
paper some 10 years ago claiming that "the only thing Greeks have 
common with ancient Greeks is just the name of the country they live 
in", not less.  What I have never understood so far is how can one be 
descendent of a deceased person at a place he came as immigrant 1000 
years later than the person in question and how can the script of 
historical Macedonians be the same with that of Greeks as ruins can 
attest and not Slav, cause Slavs had their own script devised in 11th 
century by two Byzantine monks emissaries from Thessaloniki Cyrilos 
(thus Cyrrilic) and Methodios.

>After seven years of UN-sponsored talks, the International
>Crisis Group has come up with a solution. Macedonia shall use the name
>"Republika Makedonija (Ma-ke-DO-niya)" and this will be used by all
>countries, except Greece, which can use a different name.

Which suggests rather the idea that Greece had to accept what others 
had decided for her.

>In return, the Republika Makedonija would respect and honour the legacy
>of Greek culture within its borders.

By watching the Yugoslavian, the Kosovo reality, and the Albanians 
this might be a hint for possible future evolutions;-)
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For those that have a taste for conspiracy;-)
check it out.

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>Ananova. 27 December 2001. Businessman says factory workers have held
>him hostage for 20 days.
>
>Workers at a bankrupt Chinese factory have reportedly held a toy
>importer for 20 days because of a dispute over money.
>
>The American-Chinese businessman and his wife say they were seized on by
>around 500 workers from the factory in Sheyang city, Jiangsu province.
>
>The laid off workers are believed to have been upset that they had not
>been paid for toys that had been exported to New York.

Some are quick to learn the American way of doing business. Also 
being American means to be backed from the mightiest military and it 
pays to be a scumbag ;-)

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At 20:58 -0800 12/23/01, Steve Wagner wrote:
...
>   There is no question that Israel has suffered suicide bombings and
>other devastating terrorist attacks since Palestinians launched their
>intifada, or uprising, 15 months ago. And there is no denying that most
>of these attacks originated in the occupied territories. But is
>collective punishment the answer? Should 3.2 million people, most of
>them not terrorists, be penalized for the sins of a few?

Sorry it is unacceptable!

There is no question that before these suicide bombings Israelis have 
for years abused, tortured, straffed, killed, disposessed 
Palestinians all the way unpunished. Though they have been condemned 
from UN several times thanks to their support in the US 
administration from their brethens and all their payed pens all 
around the world they still can blame the victims and get away with 
it.
...
>   Aid groups and human rights workers in the West Bank and Gaza Strip
>say military sieges and economic blockades have caused a humanitarian
>crisis.
>
>   Because people and goods can no longer travel freely between
>Palestinian towns and villages, they are beginning to suffer shortages
>of gasoline, food and medical supplies. Uncollected garbage and sewage
>pose a mounting public health hazard. Vaccinations and primary health
>care systems are paralyzed, increasing the risk of epidemics.
...
This is irrelevant as the racist state of Israel has it as an 
internal agenda. A good Palestinian is a dead Palestinian.
...
>   Val Phillips, a physics student at CU Denver, is one of five
>Coloradans who decided to give up Christmas at home to go and tear down
>barricades in the West Bank. You can call her a "peacenik" or "Nazi,"
>as some Jewish settlers did in one confrontation with the Colorado
>Coalition for Mideast Peace, but you have to admire her dedication.
...
Whatever it comes those protesting the rascist state of Israel and 
its supporter will be always be called "Nazis". All the time I can 
remember whenever a brave voice raised concern about what happens in 
Palestina,  Israelis, Jews and their allies were quick to denounce 
the new Nazi plot and wave the spectre of holocaust. I found strange 
that also a lot of people, progressive, communist etc. joined the 
chorus.

What is suprising though is how well the Israelis and  their 
supporters managed to surpass the Nazis. Even people like the 
recently arrested well known thug as Irv Rubin could pose as human 
rights activists and a Nazi persecutor. Did you ever think why?

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>Press Release
>To: All News Editors
>Embargo: For Immediate Release
>
>
>War Crimes in Afghanistan
>
>
>
>The Universal Declaration of Human Rights was adopted in 1948 after
>several years of discussions and negotiations. As far as
>implementation is  concerned the declaration has largely remained
>merely a declaration and does not appear to be a binding legal
>document. In fact it has become a political instrument for the US to
>demonise weaker countries by showing up areas of so called "human
>rights abuses" with a view to then intervening militarily to further
>its own political and economic interests in a region.
>
>Let us review the current war in Afghanistan and go back in time to
>the events of the 11th September 2001. Within an hour of the WTC
>attacks, CNN had already named Osama Bin Laden as the prime suspect.
>This was even before an investigation could have been started. When
>I switched to eTV the headline was "The Usual Suspect" The attack on
>the WTC was a horrendous crime from several perspectives:
>
>Firstly it caused the deaths of 5000 innocent civilians and has been
>condemned worldwide for that.  Secondly and as important it would
>provide motivation for the US to launch an attack on several
>thousand other innocent civilians who had nothing to do with the
>attack. Thirdly it would lead to further attacks by the US against
>other countries which it believed were guilty of "terror" to carry
>out its economic and strategic interests in the middle east region
>and to maintain a military presence there.
>
>·If one investigates a crime the first question one asks is
>who has benefited from the crime. Have the Muslim peoples of the
>world benefited from this crime? The answer is no. In fact this
>crime has caused more harm to Muslims and especially the cause of
>the Palestinian people than any other single event in recent world
>history.  If we then see who has benefited most from this crime we
>find that Israel and the United States were at a low ebb in
>international world opinion at the end of the World Conference on
>Racism when the US and Israel decided to walk out of the conference
>when Zionism was declared equal to racism. After the Sept 11 attacks
>we find that Israel is able to intensify its attacks against the
>people of Palestine calling it an attack against terror. The US
>president is more popular now than at any time since his marginal
>election several months ago.
>
>The US has allocated 7000 full time FBI and CIA agents to determine
>who was responsible for these attacks and despite the fact that they
>have arrested 1100 people without laying formal charges against them
>and there are indications that many have been denied their basic
>civil rights they still have not been able to prove their case
>against Osama Bin Laden. In fact it is interesting that one
>journalist declared that there is stronger evidence against the US
>for having committed war crimes in Afghanistan when we look at the
>massacre of 400 - 500 Taliban prisoners of war than the case which
>the US has against Osama Bin Laden.
>
>It is clear from opinions which we have seen from experts on
>International Criminal Law that the war on Afghanistan is illegal.
>The United States has not been authorized to use force by the UN
>Security Council and its claim to be acting in self defense simply
>does not apply here. The claim of acting in self defence only
>applies if the danger is imminent. In this case there is no imminent
>danger.
>
>The correct response of course to the current atrocities is for the
>US to have followed due process and the rule of law. In terms of the
>Universal Declaration of Human Rights of which the US is a
>signatory,  a person is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a
>court of law.
>
>US Human Rights Violations in the War on Afghanistan.
>
>Let us tabulate the US Human Rights Violations in its war on Afghanistan
>
>Firstly it needs to prove its case in an International Court of Law
>such as the International Court of Justice or even in the Belgium
>Courts which also have universal jurisdiction. It is interesting
>that the Taliban did agree to hand over Osma Bin Laden if they were
>provided proof. The US contemptuously rejected this offer of the
>Taliban. The Taliban have never been guilty of terrorist attacks and
>have always called for peace.
>
>The Taliban made a second offer 10 days into the bombing offering to
>hand over Osma Bin Laden to an International Court which was neutral
>( which was a fair request in terms of international norms and in
>terms of ensuring justice ). This offer too was rejected out of hand
>and Bush declared that he would not negotiate with the Taliban. Bush
>in fact changed the goal posts when the Taliban offered to hand over
>Osma Bin Laden. Bush said that he wanted the surrender of the entire
>Al Quada Network together with all their supporters. This statement
>was so vague but all enco

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>for Online Journalism
>
>Week of December 19 - 25, 2001
>
>From the Irv Rubin Bust to the Stern Gang: The Rich History of
>Jewish Terrorism Oy McVey by Jason Vest
>
>
>WASHINGTON, D.C.óAt a moment when the popular mind-set once again
>links the words "Arab" and "Islamic" with all things retrograde and
>threateningóincluding terrorism (cue the new Charlie Daniels anthem
>and revel in the poetry: "This ain't no rag, it's a flag/And we
>don't wear it on our heads. . . . /We're gonna hunt you down like a
>mad dog hound")óit came as a surprise to some that the latest
>malefactors accorded POW status in the "War on Terrorism" turned out
>to be Jewish.
>
>Arrested and charged last week with intriguing to do explosive
>little actions on a Culver City, California, mosque and the offices
>of Lebanese American U.S. Representative Darrell Issa, Jewish
>Defense League chief Irving David
>
>Rubin and JDL member Earl Leslie Krugel were, according to FBI
>wiretap transcripts, anything but circumspect about their devices
>and desires: Though Rubin lamented the wanting state of technology
>in the JDL's possession (not good enough to "blow up an entire
>building"), Krugel was adamant that "Arabs need a wake-up call" and
>that the JDL needs to do something to one of their "filthy
>mosques"ówhich may explain the five pounds of gunpowder and
>pipe-bomb matÈriel found at his house. "If the people responsible
>for September 11 are the quintessence of evil genius, these guys are
>at the Keystone Kops end of the spectrum," says Hussein Ibish,
>communications director for the American Arab Anti-Discrimination
>Committee. "The only reassuring thing about them is their absolute
>ineptitude and the fact that they were arrested."
>
>Mainstream Jewish groups were quick to condemn the JDL as well:
>Characterizing the activities of the organizationófounded in 1968 by
>Brooklyn's own, now deceased Rabbi Meir Kahaneóas "contemptible,"
>the Anti-Defamation League's regional director issued a statement
>"abhor[ing] and condemn[ing] the potential terrorist plot." The
>American Jewish Committee said it "categorically condemns in the
>strongest possible terms the alleged JDL plot," and went so far as
>to follow up with a personal letter to Republican representative
>Issa, decrying "such wanton lawlessness," which is "so clearly
>contrary to the fundamental tenets of our faith, and to the basic
>principles of justice and liberty that brought our parents and
>grandparents to America's shores and that form the bedrock of our
>national values."
>
>Yet some observers of the current Middle East crisis see more than a
>bit of disingenuousness and historical irony here. While both the
>ADL and the AJC have condemned the JDL, they've unequivocally backed
>Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon's indiscriminate use of force
>against the Palestinians and the cutting of ties with Palestinian
>Authority president Yasir Arafatóneither of which is universally
>seen as a particularly constructive way to slow the cycles of
>violence across Israel and the Occupied Territories.
>
>But what's even more vexing to others is the apparent inability or
>unwillingness to discern similarities between the current
>Palestinian milieu and Israeli operations of 50-plus years ago,
>which secured statehood from colonialist occupiersóas well as
>similarities between violent, internecine struggles among disparate
>underground groups. "It's peculiar, it's paradoxical, that Sharon
>and Likud should be the ones who are trying to equate any authentic
>resistance in Palestine with some of the terrorist activities, as
>terrorism in Israel really started with Begin and Shamir and later
>Sharon," says Clovis Maksoud, the former Arab League ambassador to
>the United Nations. "It's a very valid question as to why they see
>no similarities between themselves under the British and the
>Palestinians under their occupation." Especially, he adds, as the
>Israeli government supports museums that honor assassins and
>terroristsóincluding one located on a street named for a terrorist.
>
>The thoroughfare in question runs between Florentine and
>Emeq-Yisrael, and bears the name Stern Streetóin honor of Avraham
>Stern, a 1920s Zionist and charter member of the Haganah, then a
>loose-knit Jewish militia organized as a self-defense mechanism
>against Arab violence. Finding the Haganah insufficiently proactive
>in realizing the goal of a Jewish state that would encompass "both
>sides of the River Jordan," erstwhile Mussolini follower and
>early-day ultra-nationalist Ze'ev Jabotinsky broke with the militia
>and formed the Irgun, which devoted itself to terrorist operations
>against the British. Once an enthusiastic Irgunist, Stern was
>appalled when the Irgun decided to make common cause with the
>British against the Nazis, and created the even more underground and
>more violent Leh

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>BRIT HUME, HOST: Last time we reported on an Israeli-based company 
>called Amdocs Ltd. that generates the computerized records and 
>billing data for nearly every phone call made in America. As Carl 
>Cameron reported, U.S. investigators digging into the September 11 
>terrorist attacks fear that suspects may have been tipped off to 
>what they were doing by information leaking out of Amdocs.
>
>In tonight's report, we learn that the concern about phone security 
>extends to another company, founded in Israel, that provides the 
>technology that the U.S. government uses for electronic 
>eavesdropping. Here is Carl Cameron's third report.
>
>(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) CARL CAMERON, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): 
>The company is Comverse Infosys, a subsidiary of an Israeli-run 
>private telecommunications firm, with offices throughout the U.S. It 
>provides wiretapping equipment for law enforcement. Here's how 
>wiretapping works in the U.S. Every time you make a call, it passes 
>through the nation's elaborate network of switchers and routers run 
>by the phone companies. Custom computers and software, made by 
>companies like Comverse, are tied into that network to intercept, 
>record and store the wiretapped calls, and at the same time transmit 
>them to investigators. The manufacturers have continuing access to 
>the computers so they can service them and keep them free of 
>glitches. This process was authorized by the 1994 Communications 
>Assistance for Law Enforcement Act, or CALEA. Senior government 
>officials have now told Fox News that while CALEA made wiretapping 
>easier, it has led to a system that is seriously vulnerable to 
>compromise, and may have undermined the whole wiretapping system. 
>Indeed, Fox News has learned that Attorney General John Ashcroft and 
>FBI Director Robert Mueller were both warned Oct. 18 in a 
>hand-delivered letter from 15 local, state and federal law 
>enforcement officials, who complained that "law enforcement's 
>current electronic surveillance capabilities are less effective 
>today than they were at the time CALEA was enacted." Congress 
>insists the equipment it installs is secure. But the complaint about 
>this system is that the wiretap computer programs made by Comverse 
>have, in effect, a back door through which wiretaps themselves can 
>be intercepted by unauthorized parties. Adding to the suspicions is 
>the fact that in Israel, Comverse works closely with the Israeli 
>government, and under special programs, gets reimbursed for up to 50 
>percent of its research and development costs by the Israeli 
>Ministry of Industry and Trade. But investigators within the DEA, 
>INS and FBI have all told Fox News that to pursue or even suggest 
>Israeli spying through Comverse is considered career suicide. And 
>sources say that while various F.B.I. inquiries into Comverse have 
>been conducted over the years, they've been halted before the actual 
>equipment has ever been thoroughly tested for leaks. A 1999 F.C.C. 
>document indicates several government agencies expressed deep 
>concerns that too many unauthorized non-law enforcement personnel 
>can access the wiretap system. And the FBI's own nondescript office 
>in Chantilly, Virginia that actually oversees the CALEA wiretapping 
>program, is among the most agitated about the threat. But there is a 
>bitter turf war internally at F.B.I. It is the FBI's office in 
>Quantico, Virginia, that has jurisdiction over awarding contracts 
>and buying intercept equipment. And for years, they've thrown much 
>of the business to Comverse. A handful of former U.S. law 
>enforcement officials involved in awarding Comverse government 
>contracts over the years now work for the company. Numerous sources 
>say some of those individuals were asked to leave government service 
>under what knowledgeable sources call "troublesome circumstances" 
>that remain under administrative review within the Justice 
>Department. (END VIDEOTAPE)
>
>And what troubles investigators most, particularly in New York, in 
>the counter terrorism investigation of the World Trade Center 
>attack, is that on a number of cases, suspects that they had sought 
>to wiretap and survey immediately changed their telecommunications 
>processes. They started acting much differently as soon as those 
>supposedly secret wiretaps went into place. -- Brit.
>
>HUME: Carl, is there any reason to suspect in this instance that the 
>Israeli government is involved?
>
>CAMERON: No, there's not. But there are growing instincts in an 
>awful lot of law enforcement officials in a variety of agencies who 
>suspect that it had begun compiling evidence, and a highly 
>classified investigation into that possibility Brit.
>
>HUME: All right, Carl. Thanks very much.
>

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>Official newspaper of the Arab Baath Socialist Party -- Iraq
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>Baghdad, Sunday 16 December 2001.
>
>Issues and Opinions: The Alleged Video Tape: what America gains and 
>loses from it.
>
>By Adnan Shihab Hamad
>
>THE American information agencies, using their well known channels, 
>have bestowed on us a new tumultuous commotion concerning the 
>American army's discovery in Afghanistan of a video tape that 
>recorded Osama Bin Laden discussing something related to the events 
>that occurred on the 11th of September this year in the United 
>States of America.
>
>First of all, and before I deal with what I want to deal with in 
>this article, I want to explain that I am not going to deny the 
>truth or exactness of what appears on the tape or the exactness or 
>truth of the existence of the tape itself, despite my own 
>convictions regarding this commotion and these claims. Thus, I will 
>suppose that the existence of the tape is a fact and that what 
>appears in it is exactly correct in order that I might discuss this 
>topic from the angle that I want to deal with and only for the sake 
>of argument.
>
>America aroused the world at the beginning of these events when it 
>said that it had sufficient proof to convict Osama bin Laden and his 
>organization of the events that took place on 11 September. It 
>activated its diplomatic and intelligence agencies in an 
>extraordinary way to send envoys and agents to deliver a message to 
>many of the world's countries in an effort to convince them to 
>convict and, based on that to convince them of the legitimacy of the 
>military action that America intended to under take on that basis. 
>In other words, that meant, from the American standpoint, that its 
>agencies were able to get at the facts about, and persons who were 
>responsible for, the 11 September events. This means, if American 
>claims are true, that a search for additional proof was unnecessary, 
>particularly since America considered the proofs it already had were 
>so definitive and irrefutable that it actually launched its 
>aggression relying on those claims and using those proofs as 
>justification.
>
>Let us return to the subject of the video and the happy way that the 
>news was presented and the surprising way that its contents were 
>presented. In the light of the video, America claimed that its 
>military action was proven correct and appropriate as it claimed, 
>because the video represented a proof that Osama bin Laden and his 
>organization were responsible for the events of September.
>
>
>
>SO, was America lying when it first made its claims, before it had 
>found the video? Did it in fact have no proof then? Is its 
>aggression thus a double indictment for America, first for its 
>aggression against an innocent people, and secondly for its not 
>having any proof to justify for that aggression? Of course, even if 
>it had proof in fact, it would still have been possible for it to 
>deal with the problem on the basis of the existing international 
>laws, regulations, and agreements that govern the treatment of such 
>events. But on the other hand, what if America was truthful from the 
>beginning? In which case it had no need of the additional proofs or 
>of the sideshow antics connected with the discovery of the tape, the 
>way the news was presented, and then regarding its contents. Is it 
>appropriate for a "great" power, with a "powerful" army, possessed 
>of the "most modern" technical services to get involved in this type 
>of show business? Who will affirm that the US is telling the truth 
>this time when they were lying the first time? What keeps someone 
>who has already lied from lying yet again?
>
>Thus this latest effort works to the detriment of America and not in 
>its favor and leads one to condemn America and not take it seriously.
>
>These facts point to an important matter. It behooves the world to 
>be wary of America's claims and its actions that are based on those 
>clams because, as events have demonstrated, it is not truthful but 
>is, rather, stumbling about. Such American actions cannot be put 
>down as plusses but rather as minuses. They constitute a clear 
>indictment of the aggressive actions that it is committing or 
>intends to commit as we hear from time to time.

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>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40747,00.html
>
>
>Monday, December 17, 2001
>
>TONY SNOW, HOST: This week, senior correspondent Carl Cameron has 
>reported on a longstanding government espionage investigation. 
>Federal officials this year have arrested or detained nearly 200 
>Israeli citizens suspected of belonging to an "organized 
>intelligence-gathering operation." The Bush administration has 
>deported most of those arrested after Sept. 11, although some are in 
>custody under the new anti-terrorism law.
>
>Cameron also investigates the possibility that an Israeli firm 
>generated billing data that could be used for intelligence purpose, 
>and describes concerns that the federal government's own wiretapping 
>system may be vulnerable. Tonight, in part four of the series, we'll 
>learn about the probable roots of the probe: a drug case that went 
>bad four years ago in L.A.
>
>(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
>
>CARL CAMERON, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Los Angeles, 
>1997, a major local, state and federal drug investigating sours. The 
>suspects: Israeli organized crime with operations in New York, 
>Miami, Las Vegas, Canada, Israel and Egypt. The allegations: cocaine 
>and ecstasy trafficking, and sophisticated white-collar credit card 
>and computer fraud. The problem: according to classified law 
>enforcement documents obtained by Fox News, the bad guys had the 
>cops beepers, cell phones, even home phones under surveillance. Some 
>who did get caught admitted to having hundreds of numbers and using 
>them to avoid arrest. "This compromised law enforcement 
>communications between LAPD detectives and other assigned law 
>enforcement officers working various aspects of the case. The 
>organization discovered communications between organized crime 
>intelligence division detectives, the FBI and the Secret Service." 
>Shock spread from the DEA to the FBI in Washington, and then the 
>CIA.An investigation of the problem, according to law enforcement 
>documents, concluded, "The organization has apparent extensive 
>access to database systems to identify pertinent personal and 
>biographical information." When investigators tried to find out 
>where the information might have come from, they looked at Amdocs, a 
>publicly traded firm based in Israel. Amdocs generates billing data 
>for virtually every call in America, and they do credit checks. The 
>company denies any leaks, but investigators still fear that the 
>firm's data is getting into the wrong hands. When investigators 
>checked their own wiretapping system for leaks, they grew concerned 
>about potential vulnerabilities in the computers that intercept, 
>record and store the wiretapped calls. A main contractor is Comverse 
>Infosys, which works closely with the Israeli government, and under 
>a special grant program, is reimbursed for up to 50 percent of its 
>research and development costs by Israel's Ministry of Industry and 
>Trade. Asked this week about another sprawling investigation and the 
>detention of 60 Israeli since Sept. 11, the Bush administration 
>treated the questions like hot potatoes. ARI FLEISCHER, WHITE HOUSE 
>PRESS SECRETARY: I would just refer you to the Department of Justice 
>with that. I'm not familiar with the report. COLIN POWELL, SECRETARY 
>OF STATE: I'm aware that some Israeli citizens have been detained. 
>With respect to why they're being detained and the other aspects of 
>your question whether it's because they're in intelligence services, 
>or what they were doing I will defer to the Department of Justice 
>and the FBI to answer that. (END VIDEOTAPE)
>
>CAMERON: Beyond the 60 apprehended or detained, and many deported 
>since Sept. 11, another group of 140 Israeli individuals have been 
>arrested and detained in this year in what government documents 
>describe as "an organized intelligence gathering operation," 
>designed to "penetrate government facilities." Most of those 
>individuals said they had served in the Israeli military, which is 
>compulsory there.
>
>But they also had, most of them, intelligence expertise, and either 
>worked for Amdocs or other companies in Israel that specialize in 
>wiretapping. Earlier this week, the Israeli embassy in Washington 
>denied any spying against or in the United States. -- Tony.
>
>SNOW: Carl, we've heard the comments from Ari Fleischer and Colin 
>Powell. What are officials saying behind the scenes?
>
>CAMERON: Well, there's real pandemonium described at the FBI, the 
>DEA and the INS. A lot of these problems have been well known to 
>some investigators, many of who have contributed to the reporting on 
>this story. And what they say is happening is supervisors and 
>management are now going back and collecting much of the 
>information, because there's tremendous pressure from the top levels 
>of all of those agencies to find out exactly what's going on.
>
>At the DEA and the FBI already a variety of a

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>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40747,00.html
>
>Carl Cameron Investigates
>
>Thursday, December 13, 2001
>
>This partial transcript of Special Report with Brit Hume, Dec. 12,
>was provided by the Federal Document Clearing House.
>
>BRIT HUME, HOST: Last time we reported on the approximately 60
>Israelis who had been detained in connection with the Sept. 11
>terrorism investigation. Carl Cameron reported that U.S.
>investigators suspect that some of these Israelis were spying on
>Arabs in this country, and may have turned up information on the
>planned terrorist attacks back in September that was not passed on.
>
>Tonight, in the second of four reports on spying by Israelis in the
>U.S., we learn about an Israeli-based private communications
>company, for whom a half-dozen of those 60 detained suspects worked.
>American investigators fear information generated by this firm may
>have fallen into the wrong hands and had the effect of impeding the
>Sept. 11 terror inquiry. Here's Carl Cameron's second report.
>
>(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) CARL CAMERON, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over):
>Fox News has learned that some American terrorist investigators fear
>certain suspects in the Sept. 11 attacks may have managed to stay
>ahead of them, by knowing who and when investigators are calling on
>the telephone. How? By obtaining and analyzing data that's generated
>every time someone in the U.S. makes a call. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:
>What city and state, please? CAMERON: Here's how the system works.
>Most directory assistance calls, and virtually all call records and
>billing in the U.S. are done for the phone companies by Amdocs Ltd.,
>an Israeli-based private elecommunications company. Amdocs has
>contracts with the 25 biggest phone companies in America, and more
>worldwide. The White House and other secure government phone lines
>are protected, but it is virtually impossible to make a call on
>normal phones without generating an Amdocs record of it. In recent
>years, the FBI and other government agencies have investigated
>Amdocs more than once. The firm has repeatedly and adamantly denied
>any security breaches or wrongdoing. But sources tell Fox News that
>in 1999, the super secret national security agency, headquartered in
>northern Maryland, issued what's called a Top Secret sensitive
>compartmentalized information report, TS/SCI, warning that records
>of calls in the United States were getting into foreign hands
>&endash; in Israel, in particular. Investigators don't believe calls
>are being listened to, but the data about who is calling whom and
>when is plenty valuable in itself. An internal Amdocs memo to senior
>company executives suggests just how Amdocs generated call records
>could be used. "Widespread data mining techniques and algorithms
>combining both the properties of the customer (e.g., credit rating)
>and properties of the specific 'behaviorÅc.'" Specific behavior,
>such as who the customers are calling. The Amdocs memo says the
>system should be used to prevent phone fraud. But U.S.
>counterintelligence analysts say it could also be used to spy
>through the phone system. Fox News has learned that the N.S.A has
>held numerous classified conferences to warn the F.B.I. and C.I.A.
>how Amdocs records could be used. At one NSA briefing, a diagram by
>the Argon national lab was used to show that if the phone records
>are not secure, major security breaches are possible. Another
>briefing document said, "It has become increasingly apparent that
>systems and networks are vulnerable.ÅcSuch crimes always involve
>unauthorized persons, or persons who exceed their
>authorization...citing on exploitable vulnerabilities."
>
>Those vulnerabilities are growing, because according to another
>briefing, the U.S. relies too much on foreign companies like Amdocs
>for high-tech equipment and software. "Many factors have led to
>increased dependence on code developed overseas We buy rather
>than train or develop solutions."
>
>U.S. intelligence does not believe the Israeli government is
>involved in a misuse of information, and Amdocs insists that its
>data is secure. What U.S. government officials are worried about,
>however, is the possibility that Amdocs data could get into the
>wrong hands, particularly organized crime. And that would not be the
>first thing that such a thing has happened. Fox News has documents
>of a 1997 drug trafficking case in Los Angeles, in which telephone
>information, the type that Amdocs collects, was used to "completely
>compromise the communications of the FBI, the Secret Service, the
>DEO and the LAPD." We'll have that and a lot more in the days ahead
>&endash; Brit.
>
>HUME: Carl, I want to take you back to your report last night on
>those 60 Israelis who were detained in the anti-terror
>investigation, and the suspicion that some investigators have that
>they may have picked up information on the 9/11 attacks ahead of

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>http://www.jta.org/story.asp?id=011220-foxn
>
>
>Jewish Telegraph Agency, New York, 5 Tevet 5762 02:21 | Thursday
>December 20, 2001
>
>
>
>BEHIND THE HEADLINES
>
>Jews worry that "baseless" report on Sepember 11 could be a blow to Israel
>
>By Matthew E. Berger
>
>
>
>WASHINGTON, Dec. 20 (JTA) -- American Jews have been complaining
>that a four-part series on Fox News last week insinuated that
>Israeli intelligence had foreknowledge of the Sept. 11 terror
>attacks but didn't tell American authorities.
>
>Israeli officials have called the stories "totally baseless," and
>the reports were not picked up by other media outlets. Still, some
>American Jews are concerned the report will foster negative images
>of Israel that they feared in the immediate aftermath of the attacks.
>
>"In the conspiracy media world and the hate groups, its going to
>have lots of legs," said Alex Safian, associate director of the
>Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America, or
>CAMERA.
>
>The series, reported by Carl Cameron in Washington, alleges that
>Israeli intelligence may have had foreknowledge of the Al Qaida
>terrorist attacks because Israelis have been spying on the movements
>of Arabs in the United States.
>
>"There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the
>September 11 attacks, but investigators suspect that the Israelis
>may have gathered intelligence about the attacks and not shared it,"
>Cameron said in the first segment of the series. "A highly placed
>investigator said there are 'tie-ins.' "
>
>Israeli officials denied the spying charges, and said that most of
>the Israelis rounded up after the Sept. 11 attacks were held for
>minor visa infractions and have since been released.
>
>Later parts of the series accuse an Israeli telecommunications
>company, Amdocs Ltd., of not protecting private call records and
>billing data, which Fox said could have hindered the American
>investigation into the terrorist attacks.
>
>A second Israeli telecommunications firm, Comverse Infosys, is
>accused of illegal moves in providing private phone information to
>the Israeli government.
>
>Critics say the pieces offer no on-the-record sources and rely
>heavily on innuendo and hypothesis.
>
>Safian cites one example, in which Cameron says the U.S. government
>"looked at Amdocs" when trying to determine the cause of leaks in a
>Los Angeles drug investigation of suspects linked to Israeli
>organized crime.
>
>What the reporter fails to mention, Safian says, is that someone
>unrelated to Amdocs later pleaded guilty to leaking the information.
>
>Other charges against Fox News -- which Jewish groups felt generally
>has been fair in its reportage on Israel -- is that the station did
>not seek on-camera comments or rebuttals from Israeli officials or
>the companies cited, and that it recycled previously aired stories.
>
>However, American Jewish and Israeli officials are baffled about
>what might have led Fox or Cameron to pursue so controversial a
>story on the basis of evidence they regard as so flimsy.
>
>Jewish groups that have spoken to reporters following up on
>Cameron's charges have been told that American government sources
>have debunked the allegations. Virtually no other American media
>organization has run a piece on the Fox allegations -- a sign that
>the story lacks merit, Jewish leaders say.
>
>A Fox News spokesman said, "We stand by the story," but would not go
>into further detail.
>
>American Jewish leaders and Israeli officials said they are holding
>conversations with Fox News representatives, but refused to
>elaborate.
>
>Jewish organizations have been receiving frantic calls from Jews
>concerned that the reports may fuel anti-Semitism. In the first days
>after the Sept. 11 attacks, Jewish organizations feared attempts to
>link the attacks, and Al Qaida's hatred of the United States, to
>U.S. support for Israel.
>
>While such linkage has been successfully refuted, those fears have
>been reawakened by the Fox report.
>
>Fox "comes to the conclusion that if maybe" the Israelis "spied,
>they had the information and didn't share it," said Abraham Foxman,
>national director of the Anti-Defamation League. "That's insidious.
>It almost said the Israelis were responsible for what happened."
>
>Foxman said the report falls just "one step below" Arab claims that
>Israel was responsible for the terrorist attacks. So far, there is
>no evidence that Arab countries or groups are incorporating the
>report into their anti-Israel propaganda.
>
>Most Jewish organizations have chosen not to issue formal statements
>about the Fox News report for fear that it would give the
>allegations undue exposure.
>
>"When a serious news outlet decides to run with a story that is
>factually incorrect, I think that more public damage is ultimately
>going to be done to the reputation of that news outlet than the
>target of the story," said Mark Regev, spokesman for the

OT. Re: Gori celebrates Stalin's birthday [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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>CNN. 21 December 2001. Stalin's birth marked in home town.
>
>GORI, Georgia - The 122nd anniversary of the birth of former Soviet
>leader Josef Stalin as been celebrated in his Georgian home town.
...

Related with Stalin but not to this post I would like to ask if 
anybody knows more about the "Moscow trials" and would like to share 
some info with me. Links, bibliography, anything else would be great. 
Privately also will be fine so as we don'r add traffic to the list.

TIA

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...
>The Pentagon has declined to release a more complete version of the
>transcript, despite claims in the US press, corroborated by independent
>translators who studied it carefully, that the gaps coincide with
>information that could embarass Saudi Arabia, an important US ally in
>the Middle East.
...
What if the tape was released also, exactly to embarass Saudi Arabia?

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Re: CIA Admits Using Anthrax But Claim No Link To Letters [[WWW.STOPNATO.ORG..

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At 22:21 -0500 12/21/01, mart wrote:
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>What?? Capitalists would do something like this to profit from the 
>misery, fear and
>death of other human beings?? I'm shocked.Not!!!
>mart
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Mmmm! Sounds "deja vu". As far as I am concerned I find the term 
capitalist exclusive and I disagree.

Just guessing you're younger than me Mart, I would say any man 
without morals or an elastic consiousness would do it. I have seen so 
many times...

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At 15:40 -0500 12/21/01, mart wrote:
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>Of course the CIA is not involved in the anthrax in the mail. The CIA is
>only allowed to murder foreigners! It would be illegal for them to murder
>American citizensparticularly, respectable, well off, white ones! Only a
>cynical person like myself, might believe that this whole anthrax deal was
>an attempt by the government to build war paranoia and to justify an attack
>on civil liberties!
>mart
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Feel relieved to hear that cause now it makes two;-)

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Re: Iraq Said To Have Recovered To Pre-Gulf War WMD Level[WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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>I somehow doubt this. Previous to the Gulf war, the U.S and it's 
>German proxies, poured literally *billions* of dollars in weapons 
>and other military aid into their then "ally" Iraq. Now these same 
>bastards would have us believe that despite 10 years
>of murderous and debilitating sanctions, a full blown naval blockade 
>and ongoing
>and continuous air raids, the Iraqi's have somehow miraculously 
>rebuilt their military strength to  pre 1991 levels! This so called 
>"news" item is an obvious propaganda plant, designed to justify 
>another war with Iraq.
>mart
...
Thanx for commenting on something which by looking the tremendous 
effort by all the President's men (what a coincidence - Wolfowitz, 
Rumsfeld, Ari Fleisher, Brezinski, Albright etc.) and the preparation 
of  "our best ally" points out that this is just media conveniently 
adopting the interpretation that the Pentagon wants them to adopt as 
usual,  and the real agenta has nothing to do with truth or justice.

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>   Of course -- the news media are lying...[fill in the blanks] just as
>responsible for the pillage and slaughter carried out by the
>mecenaries of the NWO as the mercenaries themselves.  Keep
>this in mind the next time you're attending a protest and standing
>beside some bloak from the press.  You might introduce your fist
>to his nose and, upon hitting the ground, your shoes to his face.

That brings me back to some similar slogans from the May '68 (France)
about journalists if my memory serves me well. ;-)

"When you see a journalist smack him. If you don't know why, he
knows." and the more cruels those of the "Enragés" and
"Situationnistes" (not to confond with Sionists) " The humanity will
prosper when the last bureaucrat will be hang with the bowels of the
last journalist".

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>By Amos Harel
>HaaretzDaily.com
>12-19-1
>
>After 15 months of intifada violence, Israeli security officials see 
>little cause for optimism. Palestinian terror groups have become 
>more sophisticated and menacing, they say; and the use of terror has 
>become the vogue across almost the entire organized Palestinian 
>political map in the territories.
>
>While increasing numbers of Palestinian militants view terror as 
>their solution, Israeli security officials are growing increasingly 
>candid about the absence of a military solution to terror.
>
>Briefing reporters yesterday in Tel Aviv, a senior security officer 
>shed the diplomatic wrapping which his colleagues ordinarily use to 
>describe the situation in the territories. "All of the anti-terror 
>measures which we've implemented during the past year can be 
>compared figuratively to trying to empty the sea by using a spoon," 
>he admitted, in one disarmingly frank moment.
>
>The official, who has 30 years of experience fighting terror under 
>his belt, then proceeded to prick and pop the bubbles of hot-air 
>cliches which politicians adore.
>
>"When you look at the general picture," he said, these anti-terror 
>measures are "just drops in the ocean. We're talking about an entire 
>terror infrastructure located on Palestinian Authority territory, 
>about a large network for the production and smuggling of weapons, 
>including anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles. It is clear to all 
>of us that there is no military solution to terror. Nowhere in the 
>world have such situations been solved via military action. You can 
>reduce terror; but you certainly can't eliminate it."
>
>After 15 months of violence in the territories, at a moment of 
>relative quiet, Israeli security officials are stepping out of the 
>situation to make interim assessments. With the help of the army, 
>the Shin Bet security service has in recent weeks notched up a 
>highly impressive series of successes on the anti-terror front. Its 
>efforts have led to arrests of hundreds of terrorists, and physical 
>blows to (or the deaths of) major suspects.
>
>Nonetheless, some 400 "heavy" terrorists (members of Hamas, Islamic 
>Jihad, and also Fatah and the Popular Front and Democratic Front 
>groups) are still at large, operating out of the Gaza Strip. These 
>are men whose sole preoccupation is to harm Israelis. A similar 
>number of terrorists roam the West Bank. And for each "military" 
>operative (meaning those who bear arms, assemble bombs, or plan 
>violent strikes), there are several others who act on a logistical 
>and political level.
>
>Both in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, conventional definitions 
>and classifications of militant nationalist fighters have become 
>blurred or irrelevant. The highest echelons of a number of 
>organizations, some of which have not been associated with armed 
>activity in the past, are now galvanizing forces for strikes against 
>Israel. Top officials from the Palestinian Authority's security 
>apparatus are involved in terror attacks.
>
>Non-Islamic organizations do not today shun suicide strike activity. 
>A Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine operative blew 
>himself up in a military jeep on the Gaza border. Fatah men help 
>suicide strikers infiltrate Israel, and help lay bombs against 
>targets located within the Green Line; sometimes the Fatah men 
>themselves perpetrate gunfire attacks in the heart of Israeli 
>cities, knowing that they won't be alive when the smoke clears.
>
>Israel has no "textbook solution" for this quagmire. Briefings with 
>reporters expose disagreements in the security system, differences 
>of opinion which separate the various branches of the system from 
>one another, and which divide officials within the same particular 
>branch.
>
>"Is it that he [Yasser Arafat] doesn't want to do the job, or is it 
>that he can't do the job?" one security official wondered aloud. 
>"What stops the PA Chairman from carrying out his pledges to war 
>against terror?"
>
>Such questions vex Israeli officials. No consensus has emerged in 
>response to them.
>
>"The PA Chairman is a survivor," says one security official. "Most 
>of his energy is invested in his efforts to keep afloat. He doesn't 
>have the ability to make tough decisions. As time passes, his hands 
>are tied by public opinion, as the public's hatred of Israel is 
>steadily on the rise. I am very pessimistic about Arafat; I don't 
>think that he will change his stripes. And there are places on the 
>West Bank where Arafat would not be able to impose his authority, 
>even were he to decide to [crack down on terror].
>
>"Despite the tremendous pressure which has been exerted on Arafat," 
>the official concludes, "he won't assent to the demands, since they 
>entail engaging Hamas in a civil war."
>
>In the same briefing, a second security official, of comparable rank 
>and experience, propounded a diff

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>IsraelNationalNews.com
>12-14-1
>
>Over recent weeks, IDF Chief Staff Lt. Gen. Shaul Mofaz met with
>emergency service heads, instructing them to "get ready by
>mid-January."
>
>A senior military commander stated the military is preparing for a
>wave of global terrorism or the possibility of a confrontation with
>one of the neighboring nations. As such, the emergency medical
>service and fire department have been instructed to begin emergency
>preparedness exercises which are scheduled to get underway this
>coming week in conjunction with the armyís Home Front Command.
>Training will include responding to attacks involving
>non-conventional warfare. Preparations are being described as
>"intensive."
>
>Army sources are reporting preparedness for possible attacks at
>several levels. Military intelligence in Israel is not ruling out
>that Iraq is behind the anthrax envelopes sent around the United
>States, explaining that now appears the anthrax has been prepared
>before Sept. 11.
>
>The quality of the anthrax powder was very high, pointing to the
>involvement of a country as opposed to an individual effort, with
>the likelihood being a country in the Mideast. Experts feel that the
>high quality of the anthrax would indicate time was spent in its
>preparation, supporting the opinion it was done in advance of the
>attacks against the Pentagon and World Trade Center.
>
>
>
>
>MainPage
>http://www.rense.com

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America's World War II Prison Camps [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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>By Gary North
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>12-12-1
>
>On this, the 60th anniversary of Adolph Hitler's declaration of war
>against the United States, which he was not bound by Germany's
>strictly defensive military treaty with Japan to declare, I bring
>you "the story behind the story" of how the Roosevelt Administration
>was able to persuade the Nazis to send back some of those Americans
>who were caught behind German lines on this day, six decades ago.
>This story is not in the textbooks, nor is it likely to be anytime
>soon. __
>
>Most Americans have never heard of the prisoner of war camps in the
>United States during World War II. Hans Sennholz, a Luftwaffe pilot
>and later a Misesian economist, worked on a prisoner-run farm in
>Arkansas after he had been shot down by British anti-aircraft fire
>in North Africa. They sent him from Britain through Canada to the
>West Coast and then to Arkansas.
>
>Most estimates that I have seen place the number of prisoners of war
>in the U.S. in the range of 50,000 to 70,000, but one reputable and
>detailed Website says it was 425,000.
>
>More than 150,000 men arrived after the surrender of Gen. Erwin
>Rommel's Afrika Korps in April 1943, followed by an average of
>20,000 new POWs a month. From the Normandy invasion in June 1944
>through December 30,000 prisoners a month arrived; for the last few
>months of the war 60,000 were arriving each month. When the war was
>over, there were 425,000 enemy prisoners in 511 main and branch
>camps throughout the United States.
>
>This is a good example of history that never gets to the general
>public. This is a little-known and long-forgotten story, but it is
>not shocking.
>
>What follows is shocking. I begin with low-level shock.
>
>The Japanese Camps
>
>Most Americans know about the concentration camp system that the
>United States created for Japanese residents of the West Coast.
>There were 120,000 of these internees in a dozen camps, mostly in
>the mountain states, but with two camps in eastern Arkansas. A few
>Americans know that the FBI's J. Edgar Hoover had opposed these mass
>arrests. Fewer still know of the forced sale of everything these
>people owned at substantial discounts. They were only allowed to
>bring into the camps what they could carry in their arms in one
>trip. But until this year, only a handful of Japanese-Americans knew
>that in 1944, the U.S. government drafted the young men housed in
>these camps, and about 300 refused to be inducted. They said they
>were prisoners who were not being treated as citizens, which they
>were. So, some of them were put in jail for draft resistance, and
>the others became pariahs in the camps. The other Japanese internees
>regarded them as traitors. This story became public knowledge only
>this year, in law professor Eric Muller's book, Free to Die for
>Their Country (University of Chicago Press, 2001). You can get
>chapter one on the Web.
>
>The Western Hemisphere Kidnap Camps
>
>The following story would be a great case study for Memory Hole 101
>(second semester). I stumbled onto it about three years ago. It was
>on the Website of a local affiliate of NBC television. That Web page
>is long gone, but because of www.google.com, I was able to track
>down other pages in a few minutes. I used these search terms:
>Japanese, Germans, Peru, World War II, Texas, camps. Of course, had
>I not found that NBC affiliate site three years ago, I never would
>have known which search terms to use. I never would have known about
>this story. Prepare yourself for a shock. This is from the Handbook
>of Texas Website. Its title is "World War II Internment Camps." And
>what remarkable camps they were! You will find no reference to these
>camps in any textbook on U.S. history, I guarantee you.
>
>
>Although many Americans are aware of the World War II imprisonment
>of West Coast Japanese Americans in relocation centers, few know of
>the smaller internment camps operated by the Immigration and
>Naturalization Service. Under the authority of the Department of
>Justice, the INS directed about twenty such facilities. Texas had
>three of them, located at Seagoville, Kenedy, and Crystal City.
>Prisoners included Japanese Americans arrested by the FBI, members
>of Axis nationalities residing in Latin-American countries, and Axis
>sailors arrested in American ports after the attack on Pearl Harbor.
>About 3,000 Japanese, Germans, and Italians from Latin America were
>deported to the United States, and most of them were placed in the
>Texas internment camps. Twelve Latin-American countries gave the
>United States Department of State custody of the Axis nationals.
>
>Eighty percent of the prisoners were from Peru, and about 70 percent
>were Japanese. The official reasons for the deportations were to
>secure the Western Hemisphere from internal sabotage and to provide
>bartering pawns for exchange of American citizens captured by Japan.
>However, the Axis na

CIA Admits Using Anthrax But Claim No Link To Letters [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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>By David Ensor
>CNN Washington Bureau
>12-17-1
>
>WASHINGTON (CNN) - The CIA uses anthrax in its bio-warfare program 
>but the bacteria did not make it into tainted letters sent to two 
>U.S. senators and several news organizations, an agency official 
>said Sunday.
>
>The confirmation that the CIA has anthrax comes less than a week 
>after the U.S. Army admitted it has produced small amounts of the 
>potentially deadly bacteria for years.
>
>But, just as Army officials denied any connection to the anthrax 
>letters, a CIA official said the anthrax detected in letters sent 
>earlier this fall "absolutely did not" come from CIA labs.
>
>The Washington Post reported Sunday that the FBI is focusing its 
>anthrax investigation on a contractor who worked with the CIA. The 
>newspaper said the contractor may be the source of the "Ames strain" 
>of anthrax found in letters sent to Senate Majority Leader Tom 
>Daschle, Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy, NBC News' anchor Tom Brokaw and 
>several other news organizations. But the CIA official, while 
>confirming the agency has small amounts of the Ames strain for 
>testing purposes, told CNN "we did not grow, create or produce" the 
>anthrax in the letters, and "we are not the source of this material."
>
>Meanwhile, experts continued Sunday to fumigate the Hart Senate 
>Office building, closed since aides in Daschle's office opened a 
>letter filled with anthrax spores on October 17.
>
>"This was very serious anthrax, very highly milled and very 
>dangerous," House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt said Sunday. 
>"This certainly has been a tougher decontamination job than anybody 
>expected."
>
>The FBI is looking for someone or some group who began sending 
>anthrax-laced letters through the mail in mid-September. Five people 
>have died in recent months of inhalation anthrax, including three 
>postal or mail-room employees.
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Iraq Said To Have Recovered To Pre-Gulf War WMD Level [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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>12-20-1
>
>WASHINGTON (MENL) - Iraq is said to have rebuilt its weapons of mass 
>destruction capabilities to the level of that of that on the eve of 
>the 1991 Gulf war.
>
>U.S. officials said Iraqi President Saddam Hussein began rebuilding 
>his WMD capabilities soon after the departure of United Nations 
>weapons inspectors in late 1998. They said that over the last 18 
>months Iraq is believed to have accelerated its strategic weapons 
>programs
>
>"Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs 
>continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status," a letter by 
>10 leading members of Congress said. "We believe we must directly 
>confront Saddam, sooner rather than later."
>
>The letter called on the Bush administration to make Iraq the next 
>target in the U.S.-led war on terrorism. The congressional leaders 
>said United Nations sanctions have failed. They cited Iraqi illegal 
>oil sales, which officials believe have funded Saddam's WMD programs.
>
>http://www.menewsline.com/stories/2001/december/12_20_1.html
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>US Says Libyan Bio-Chem
>Warfare Site Concealed
>Beneath Mountain
>Special To World Tribune.com
>12-20-1
>
>The United States has concluded that Libya built a weapons of mass 
>destruction facility in a huge underground lair.
>
>U.S. intelligence sources said Libya built a chemical weapons site 
>near Tarhuna. The facility, the sources said, is located under a 
>mountain.
>
>Libya obtained help in the construction of the facility from 
>Pyongyang. North Korea is known to be a leading expert in the 
>construction of underground sites and tunnels meant to conceal 
>missiles and WMD for several nations in the region, Middle East 
>Newsline reported.
>
>The sources said U.S. spy satellites first detected the construction 
>of the facility in 1997. Within three years, officials determined it 
>was a chemical weapons factory and that work on it had been 
>completed.
>
>The U.S. intelligence community, the sources said, has not 
>determined whether the facility became operational. The sources 
>cited the United Nations embargo on Tripoli as well as low oil 
>prices, which limited Libya's funding for military and strategic 
>programs.
>
>But the sources said the Tarhuna facility is believed to have once 
>again been the target of development in the aftermath of the UN 
>decision to lift sanctions from Tripoli in 1999.
>
>The sources said the regime of Col. Moammar Khaddafy has been 
>negotiating with European firms for dual-use equipment that could 
>help Libya's chemical weapons program.
>
>The sources said the Bush administration is reviewing the Tarhuna 
>project as part of the U.S.-led war on terrorism. They said it would 
>be difficult to destroy the chemical weapons facility without a 
>ground invasion.
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CNN Distorts News About 'bin Laden's Battlefield Voice' [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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News? Hardly, but I like this guy's way of speaking out his mind. And 
at the end quotes - sorry for the repetition, Steve C. I think, 
somedays ago posted the same quote-John Swinton

>Commentary
>By Robert Spicer
>Sydney, Australia
>12-16-1
>
>CNN - Bin Laden Possibly Heard Speaking Via Radio
>December 16, 2001
>Posted: 5:31 AM EST
>
>(CNN) - The United States is "reasonably certain" that one of the 
>voices they have have been monitoring on battlefield radios in the 
>Tora Bora region of Afghanistan is the voice of Osama bin Laden, 
>U.S. officials tell CNN.
>
>Officials would not specify what kind of radio transmission U.S. 
>forces had detected or how they were sure it was bin Laden's voice. 
>But an official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said it was a 
>short-range transmission, indicating that bin Laden was in Tora Bora 
>in the past week, Reuters reports.
>
>Meanwhile, Eastern Alliance fighters, aided by U.S. airstrikes, 
>continue to fight al Qaeda members holed up in the caves and tunnels 
>of the rugged mountain region. U.S. planes and the reverberating 
>rumble of their bombs were a steady reminder that the war was not 
>over.
>
>On lower ground, CNN's Ben Wedeman said he had heard talk of a 
>possible surrender of some al Qaeda fighters, but had seen no 
>indication that such an event might be imminent.
>
>Wedeman, who has twice spoken with al Qaeda members by radio, was 
>unable to contact them on Saturday, but he reported that overheard 
>radio conversations indicated al Qaeda was low on ammunition.
>
>"They sound stressed, I'll tell you," Wedeman said. "They don't 
>sound like they're having a good time." (Full story http:/ 
>/www.cnn.com)
>
>
>Dear Jeff,
>
>I am amazed how you Americans are taking CNN so seriously, while we 
>Australians see CNN as a joke. Sky-News TV, here in Australia, 
>reported precisely that a Taliban soldier was talking on short wave 
>radio, saying something about a Sheik (Sheik- means a leader). But, 
>Sheik could have been ANY leader world-wide, civil or military, and 
>any military organization will have many Sheiks of all ranks.
>
>There was no mention on our Australian TV news that anyone actually 
>heard the real voice of Bin Laden.CNN invented a totally different 
>story. CNN again pulled out their miracle words of: "possibly", "US 
>officials" and "reasonably certain" to justify corruption and 
>misleading/propaganda news.
>
>AND!!! CNN is back to its old tricks of 'interpretations.' Please 
>read carefully in the second paragraph:
>
>"indicating that Bin Laden was..." -
>
>"Indicating" does NOT mean that anyone heard the actual voice of bin 
>LadenBUT! CNN is hiding this fact from us. In this case, 
>"Indicating" is exactly what the Australian TV news quoted - that a 
>Taliban soldier somewhere was talking about a leader. His word 
>"leader" could have been his Sergeant, General, bin Laden or even 
>Bush, depending on the CONTEXT of the sentence, etc.
>
>CNN conveniently always adopts the interpretation that the Pentagon 
>wants them to adopt, in this case that the soldier must have been 
>referring to bin Laden. CNN clearly twisted the meaning of that 
>sentence to fit the Pentagon's version. We already have a Pentagon 
>spokesmen, why do we need CNN?
>
>CNN & "US officials" (rarely identified!) want us to believe (for 
>some unknown reason to me, who cares?) that the voice was really bin 
>Laden's voice. This may be a vain attempt to justify spending 55 
>billion dollars of U.S. tax payers money wasted so far just to kill 
>a single "terrorist"/"freedom fighter" and thousands of innocent 
>Afghan civilians. http://www.ncpa.org/iss/bud/pd 103101b.html
>
>This money could have been better spent on rebuilding the WTC and 
>the balance should have been given to the Israelis, so that they 
>could find a 'final solution' for the Palestinians (bitter smile). 
>Bush has lost all credibility here in most of Australia. Actually, 
>instead of proving to the world that the U.S. Military is so 
>incompetent, the whole 'Taliban job' should have been given to the 
>Israeli Military, they would have finished the Talibans in one week 
>or less, and present bin Laden as a Christmas present to Dubya and 
>to all 'patriotic' Americans. The Israelis would love it, killing is 
>already a habit for them and they would do it probably for free.
>
>The sad fact is that Bin laden has already won, BIG TIME. He has 
>changed our civilization in a few weeks more than any other person 
>in our history. The whole world is watching how the mightiest 
>military in the world is afraid to confront him and resorts to 
>carpet bombing from 30,000ft, vaporizing desert rocks and much of 
>the American tax payers money. VERY SAD AMERICA, I will not be 
>surprised if bin Laden and his four wives are now sipping margaritas 
>next to the pool, on Bush's Texas ranch, just like in the 'old 
>days.' Remember how Bush, the Elder b

1,000 Turn Out In Oregon To Hear Mike Ruppert Expose GovernmentComplicity in t

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>12-5-1
>
>(FTW) - On November 28th an estimated 1,000 people came from as far 
>away as Seattle and San Francisco to Portland State University to 
>see FTW Publisher/Editor Mike Ruppert give a 2 hour lecture and 
>documentary presentation on the events surrounding the September 
>11th attacks and their aftermath. Starting with an offer of $1,000 
>to anyone who could show that any of the sources he cited were not 
>authentic or misrepresented, Ruppert launched into an display of 
>more than 40 visual exhibits showing government complicity in and 
>foreknowledge of the attacks.
>
>
>The event was organized by the campus newspaper The Rear Guard and 
>its editor Dimitris Desyllas. I never expected that we would have 
>this kind of turnout, Desyllas said. But it is obvious that the 
>public has very deep concerns about what we are being told and what 
>the government is doing. We eventually brought in 860 chairs and 
>there were people all around the walls and on the floor. One of the 
>volunteer videographers at the event was a Native American spiritual 
>teacher of the Dakota Sioux nation, Skip Mahawk. Mahawk, then with 
>the 101st Airborne Division, won the Congressional Medal of Honor at 
>the legendary 1969 Vietnam War battle known as Hamburger Hill. 
>Mahawk refused to accept the decoration.
>
>
>Ruppert's lecture was full of documentary evidence. After pointing 
>out - among other things - that the Chief of Pakistani intelligence 
>(approved for his position by the CIA) ordered a $100,000 wire 
>transfer to lead hijacker Mohammed Atta; that the Bush family had 
>business dealings with the bin Laden family through the Carlyle 
>Group, that the U.S. and British governments had extensive military 
>deployments already in the area before the attacks, and that the 
>Bush administration had ordered the FBI to stop investigating two 
>relatives of Osama bin Laden living near CIA headquarters this 
>January, Ruppert launched into the centerpiece of the lecture which 
>was a visual presentation of his timeline of events around September 
>11th - which left some members of the audience in tears. See:
>
>
>http://www.copvcia.com/stories/nov_2001/lucy.html.
>
>
>
>Special attention was also paid to a newly resurrected Unocal 
>pipeline to transport oil and natural gas from the Central Asian 
>republics to the Pakistani coast for sale to China and Japan. Henry 
>Kissinger is on both ends of that deal.
>
>
>Audience reaction and anger was strongest as Ruppert presented 
>selected quotes from The Grand Chessboard, a 1997 book by former 
>Carter National Security Advisor and member of the Trilateral 
>Commission, Zbigniew Brzezinski. Those quotes - along with maps of 
>Central Asia - indicated clearly that the current war had been in 
>the planning stages for at least four years. Two particular quotes 
>from Brzezinski indicating the need for a Pearl Harbor-like attack 
>evoked boos and hisses for the intelligence expert and professor who 
>also served in the Reagan Administration.
>
>
>Ruppert closed the lecture with an analysis of the assault on 
>American civil liberties since September 11th in the form of the 
>so-called PATRIOT Act and several unilateral decisions made by 
>President Bush and Attorney General John Ashcroft which have 
>effectively nullified three amendments to the Bill of Rights and 
>taken away part of another. He also showed documentary evidence from 
>Congress supporting his claim that the Bush administration was going 
>to loot the Social Security Trust Fund.
>
>
>The audience responded to the lecture with a two minute standing ovation. ___
>
>The full story with photographs is available online at
>http://www.copvcia.com/stories/dec_2001/portland.html
>
>
>-- Mike Ruppert s website and information on his subscriber-based 
>newsletter From The Wilderness is located at 
>./http://www.copvcia.com. Anyone interested 
>in arranging a 2002 lecture appearance can obtain additional 
>information by contacting Andrea Shepherd at 818-788-8791 or by 
>emailing mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]@copvcia.com
>
>
>
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America's Views Of Causes Of 911 Sharply At Odds With World [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK

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>America's Views Of Causes
>Of 911 Sharply At Odds
>With World
>By Charles R. Smith
>12-20-1
>
>WASHINGTON (Reuters) - American opinion makers differ sharply with
>foreign colleagues over whether U.S. policies were a major cause of
>the Sept. 11 attacks, with a majority of non-Americans believing
>such policies were responsible, a major opinion poll said on
>Wednesday.
>
>The Pew Global Attitudes Project poll found that only 18 percent of
>American respondents believed U.S. policies brought on the attacks,
>while 58 of non-Americans believed they were responsible.
>
>The poll question did not specify which ``policies'' were involved.
>
>It also found sharp differences between the two groups on whether
>the war on global terrorism in Afghanistan should be expanded to
>Iraq and Somalia. Half of American respondents urged the action,
>while only 29 percent of non-Americans supported expansion.
>
>The wide ranging poll questioned 40 Americans and 10 people in each
>of 23 other nations from Nov. 12 to Dec. 13. The respondents were
>described as ``political, media, cultural, business and government
>leaders.''
>
>The poll was conducted in association with the International Herald
>Tribune newspaper.
>
>In another stark contrast of attitudes, 70 percent of Americans
>believed U.S. support for Israel was a reason why Americans were
>disliked, but only 29 percent of non-Americans shared that view.
>
>The poll said even in Muslim nations only 57 percent of respondents
>judged U.S. support for the Jewish state as a reason for disliking
>the United States.
>
>However, 73 percent of non-Americans felt the United States was too
>supportive of Israel while only 35 percent of Americans believed
>there was too much support.
>
>There was almost unanimous agreement between both American and
>non-American respondents that recent events had not significantly
>slowed the pace of globalization.
>
>The poll said 10 percent of Americans believed globalization was a
>``major cause'' of terrorism while 35 percent said it was a ``minor
>cause.'' Among non-Americans, 19 percent judged globalization as a
>major cause and 41 percent as a minor cause.
>
>``The spread of American culture through movies, TV and music is at
>most a minor reason for animosity toward the U.S., according to
>foreign influentials (opinion makers),'' said a statement issued
>with the poll.
>___
>
>How The World Sees The US And September 11
>
>By Brian Knowlton
>International Herald Tribune
>12-20-1
>
>WASHINGTON World opinion leaders give strong support in principle to
>the U.S.-led war on terrorism, but they oppose attacks on countries
>beyond Afghanistan and say the campaign is yet another example of
>what they view as America's troubling tendency to act unilaterally,
>according to a new survey in 24 countries.
>
>The poll of 275 opinion leaders, conducted by the International
>Herald Tribune and the Pew Research Center for the People and the
>Press, reveals disagreements between America and other countries on
>whether U.S. policies played a significant role in fueling
>terrorists' anger against the United States.
>
>Asked if many or most ordinary people consider U.S. policies to be
>"a major cause" of the Sept. 11 attacks, fewer than 1 in 5
>respondents from America said they do. But in the rest of the world,
>nearly 3 out of 5 agreed that they would.
>
>The survey also highlights anew a large gap between the way
>Americans believe they are seen abroad and the way others see the
>United States. While not a single American respondent believed the
>U.S. attacks on Afghanistan would be widely considered as an
>overreaction, about 4 in 10 non-Americans saw them as such,
>including 6 in 10 in Islamic countries.
>
>Andrew Kohut, director of the non-profit Pew center, noted as
>particularly striking the finding that two-thirds or more of
>respondents outside the United States said it was "good that
>Americans now know what it's like to be vulnerable."
>
>Madeleine Albright, the former U.S. secretary of state, said that
>result was "clearly the most disturbing part of this" but observed
>that such a response may be an unavoidable side-effect of the end of
>the Cold War. "It was very different when you had two superpowers,
>and observers could divide their animosity between one or the
>other," Mrs. Albright said. She suggested that it is human for
>people now to focus their resentment on "the big guy on the block."
>
>The polling revealed a strong sense around the world that the events
>of Sept. 11 had opened a new chapter in world history, that nothing
>would again be the same.
>
>It found strong support for the U.S. war on terrorism, when the
>fight was described in broad terms. About 6 in 10 of non- Americans
>said that most or many ordinary people believed that "the U.S. is
>doing the right thing for the world by fighting terrorism." Support
>rose to 9 in 10 in Western Europe.
>
>But support tumbled when res

'Israeli Death Squad Disarmed Men And Shot Them' [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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>By Phil Reeves in Salfit, West Bank
>The Independent - London
>12-15-1
>
>The Israeli Foreign Minister, Shimon Peres, says some of his 
>government's military strikes against the Palestinians make him 
>"shudder".
>
>Mr Peres would have had good reason to shudder yesterday, had he 
>listened to the testimonies of the residents of Salfit. They 
>described in detail how an Israeli undercover death squad arrived in 
>the West Bank town in a pre-dawn raid and shot two young policemen 
>at close range as they lay unarmed on the ground.
>
>The Israeli soldiers, dressed in black, spoke Arabic so fluently 
>that Iman Herzala - who heard them talking in the street outside her 
>house - at first wondered whether they were Palestinian forces 
>taking part in a training exercise. But that was before she saw the 
>executions, less than 100 yards from her front door.
>
>Residents had scraped earth over the spot, but yesterday afternoon 
>patches of blood were visible. A low wall bore the marks of several 
>bullets.
>
>Looking hollow-eyed and distressed, Mrs Herzala, 37, who has six 
>children, described the last moments of Dia Nabil Mahmoud, 19, and 
>Abdul Ashour, 22.
>
>They were among seven people to be killed by the Israelis yesterday 
>in raids on more than four communities in the occupied territories 
>as Ariel Sharon, the Israeli Prime Minister, increased his military 
>pressure on the Palestinians. At the same time, Israeli tanks and 
>bulldozers carried out their biggest housing demolition of the 
>intifada at Khan Younis in the Gaza strip, knocking down 35 houses 
>and making 345 people homeless.
>
>Mr Mahmoud - a member of Yasser Arafat's Force 17 security force - 
>and Mr Ashour, from Palestinian military intelligence, were shot in 
>the early stages of the Israeli raid in which tanks and bulldozers, 
>backed by helicopters, came thundering into the Palestinian-run town 
>of 10,000 near Nablus at around 2am.
>
>Mrs Herzala said: "The two boys came and knocked on my door, and 
>told me that the Israelis were invading the town. I opened the door 
>and asked them to come inside, but they refused and went on walking 
>up the street. The Israeli soldiers came up to them and asked them 
>to put down their weapons - they only had one - and put their hands 
>behind their backs.
>
>"They put down the gun. The Israelis asked them to lie on the 
>ground, which they did. Then they started shooting them with 
>machine-guns."
>
>She said she watched the scene - illuminated by the light of the 
>soldiers' torches - by peering out of her front door. At the same 
>time, Khadiji al-Fataj, 61, was looking down at the spot where the 
>execution took place from the window of her home, a few doors from 
>Mrs Herzala's. She said: "I heard soldiers asking the policemen to 
>stop and lie down. One was on one side of the road, and one on the 
>other. I saw them being shot."
>
>Yesterday afternoon, as the women told their stories, Mr Mahmoud's 
>father sat close by the spot, dazed and exhausted. "He was just a 
>child. If you look at his picture, you can see that," he said.
>
>The Israeli armed forces said the Salfit raid was in response to 
>"murderous terrorist attacks" in the area.
>
>The wording of their official explanation was suspiciously vague: 
>Israeli soldiers came on "armed Palestinians who came out of targets 
>for detention. They stormed the terrorists and killed them."
>
>Mr Sharon has moved military operations into a higher gear. 
>Yesterday's operations were aimed at Fatah, the mainstream 
>organisation headed by Yasser Arafat. The six people killed in 
>Salfit were all part of Mr Arafat's security apparatus. Three homes 
>were destroyed, all belonging to Fatah members.
>
>Mr Sharon is bludgeoning the rickety structure of the Palestinian 
>Authority, liquidating its police and attacking the middle-ground 
>pro-Arafat leadership. But there is dissent in the government ranks.
>
>Mr Peres told the Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth that Mr 
>Sharon's decision to shun the Palestinian Authority was 
>short-sighted. Mr Peres reportedly said: "I asked him [Sharon], 
>'Suppose Arafat disappears, what will happen then?'"
>
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Netanyahu Says Iraq Is Next US Target [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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>By Amnon Barzilai
>HaaretzDaily.com
>12-19-1
>
>Despite official American protestations to the contrary, former 
>prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu believes that the United States' 
>next target in the war against terror will be Iraq, while former 
>prime minister Ehud Barak says the U.S. will attack Somalia, Sudan 
>or Yemen.
>
>Speaking at the Herzliya Convention for National Security, Netanyahu 
>said yesterday that the U.S. is planning to attack Iraq soon and 
>that Israel must ask Washington for time to prepare itself. It is 
>not enough for Israel to get a warning of an imminent attack, 
>Netanyahu said; the U.S. must give Israel time to get ready, and 
>Israel knows how to do so.
>
>Only a day earlier, America's National Security Adviser Condoleezza 
>Rice had told the convention in a satellite address that the U.S. 
>has no plans to attack Iraq at present. Despite this, Netanyahu 
>said, he was sure there would be an attack, even if not immediately, 
>because the combination of nuclear power and terror was intolerable.
>
>Netanyahu also said that Israel must work toward toppling the 
>Palestinian leadership headed by Yasser Arafat. He said it would be 
>replaced by more pragmatic leaders, not the Hamas.
>
>He said the U.S. had established three principles in the wake of the 
>September 11 bombings:
>
>l A moral differentiation between terrorism and self-defense through 
>military action that could inadvertently affect civilians;
>
>l A strategic decision to fight terror without distinguishing 
>between terrorist organizations and those who send them, although 
>the order of importance may be different when deciding to attack 
>them;
>
>l The importance of victory, namely that the end justifies the means.
>
>A different sequence of events was envisaged by Barak in his later 
>address to the convention, which is being sponsored by the Institute 
>for Strategy and Policy at the Herzliya Interdisciplinary Center.
>
>The next chapter after Afghanistan will be Somalia, Sudan or Yemen, 
>all of which harbor terrorism, Barak told the defense establishment 
>heads attending the convention. This will be followed by a U.S. 
>campaign against Hezbollah and Hamas in Lebanon and Syria, and the 
>mopping up of 11 or 12 terrorist organizations operating out of 
>Damascus, he said.
>
>Only in the fourth stage will the U.S. turn to Iraq, Barak said, 
>since there is no way to establish world order, stability and 
>normalization, as well as economic growth, if Saddam Hussein remains 
>in power as if nothing happened.
>
>The UN will be asked to present the conditions to Iraq, he said, and 
>Israel and the U.S. will have to cooperate "intimately" on the 
>subject.
>
>As for Iran, a new order appears to be emerging there, and the U.S. 
>will be less eager to attack that nation, also in view of the fact 
>that Iraq and Iran together produce some 6-7 percent of the world's 
>oil.
>
>Turning to Palestinian terrorism, Barak said it should be countered 
>by persistent IDF action; by a plan for gradual separation, over a 
>four-year period; and by an open-door policy toward renewing 
>negotiations with the Palestinians without preconditions other than 
>the cessation of the violence.
>
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Re: Osama Video - Wrong Nose [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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At 17:19 -0500 12/20/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>http://www.rense.com/general18/wrong.htm
>  http://www.rense.com/general18/wrong.htm";>Click here:
>Osama Video - Wrong Nose
>
...
Thanks!

  I checked the link and found several things like these: And it seems
that the black out in Corporate media was total because there is no
such info on the list on that day. Why? I can't tell ;-)

>Mossad Agents Arrested
>In Attempt To Bomb
>Mexican Congress
>From http://www.kosmos.uni.cc/
>11-26-1
>
>Interview with Journalist Hector Carreon on 11-30:
>http://www.broadcast.com/shows/endoftheline/01archives.html
>
>From the PGR (Mexican Department Of Justice) official web site comes
>an interesting story.
>
>As reported in La Vox De Aztlan, two men, one of them a former
>Israeli Colonel and Mossad agent, were arrested INSIDE the Mexican
>congress carrying 9mm pistols and dynamite, but were released
>following intense pressure from the Israeli Embassy.
>
>Army General and Head of the PGR Releases Two Israelis
>Arrested With Guns and Explosives Inside the Mexican Congress
>By Ernesto Cienfuegos La Voz de Aztlan
>October 15, 2001
>
>LOS ANGELES (ACN) - In a mind-blowing development, La Voz de Aztlan
>has learned that Mexican Army General Rafael Marcial Macedo de la
>Concha who heads the Procuraduría General de la República (Mexican
>Department of Justice) has released the retired Israeli Defense
>Forces colonel and presumed MOSSAD agent Salvador Guersson Smecke
>and Israeli illegal immigrant Saur Ben Zvi after both had penetrated
>the security of the Mexican Congress and where in possession of
>guns, hand grenades and explosives.
>
>This morning La Voz de Aztlan had a personal telephone interview
>with the Mexican Congressional Press Secretary, Lic. Adriana Lopez,
>and verified the arrest of the two Israelis after they had entered
>through the highly secured front entrance of the Palacio Legislativo
>de San Lázaro. She stated to La Voz de Aztlan that the two
>terrorists had taken advantage of a situation that occurred around
>1700 hours of Wednesday October 10 when a large contingent of Sugar
>Industry Unionists were entering through the metal detectors. The
>two Israelis followed about 50 of the unionists to the office of the
>President of the Mexican Congress Beatriz Paredes. The two Israelis
>were first pretending to be press photographers but called the
>attention of the sugar unionists because of their nervous and out of
>the ordinary behavior. About ten of the unionists confronted them
>and observed that they were carrying guns and and what looked to
>them to be explosives. They held the two Israelis until Official
>Congressional Security personnel took them into custody. The head of
>Congressional Security Salvador Alarcón verified that the Israelis
>had in their possession nine hand grenades, sticks of dynamite,
>detonators, wiring and two 9mm "Glock" automatics.
>
>Mexican Congressional Press Secretary Lic. Adriana Lopez informed La
>Voz de Aztlan in the telephone interview that Congressional Security
>then turned the terrorists Salvador Guersson Smecke, age 34, and
>Saur Ben Zvi, age 27, to the Procuraduría General de la República
>(Mexican Department of Justice) which is headed by Mexican Army
>General Rafael Marcial Macedo de la Concha. Initial reports by the
>Procuraduría General de la República (PGR) were that both Israelis
>worked for a private security agency and that they both had gun
>permits. It turned out that there is no connection of either suspect
>to any private security agency. The PGR has released the retired
>Israeli I.D.F. colonel with the official explanation that he had a
>legal permit to carry a gun. They also released the illegal Israeli
>immigrant on about $4000 bail and the case turned over to the
>Mexican immigration authorities. Mexican Congressional Press
>Secretary Lic. Adriana Lopez was surprised to hear from La Voz de
>Aztlan of the release of the two Israelis.
>
>La Voz de Aztlan has also learned that the Israeli Embassy used
>heavy handed measures to have the two Israelis released. Very high
>level emergency meetings took place between Mexican Secretary of
>Foreign Relations Jorge Gutman, General Macedo de la Concha and a
>top Ariel Sharon envoy who flew to Mexico City specially for that
>purpose. Elías Luf of the Israeli Embassy worked night and day and
>their official spokeswoman Hila Engelhart went into high gear after
>may hours of complete silence. What went one during those high
>levels meetings no ones knows, but many in Mexico are in disbelief
>at their release. Guns and any kind of explosive is highly illegal
>for Mexican citizens and the fact that these two Israelis had them
>inside the Mexican Congress makes their release highly suspect. What
>is really going on? Jorge Gutman, the Mexican Foreign Secretary, has
>very strong Zionist connections and himself is of Jewish descent.
>Mexican Army General Macedo de la Con

Re: TIRED AND CONFUSED ? [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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TIRED YES, CONFUSED NO!

NO MORE LECTURE!

>As the people of Afghanistan continue to be bombarded with bombs, the
>working class of the US, Britain etc. are bombarded with "news" via the
>printed and (especially) broadcast media.

Working class you said? You don't look to me like somebody who has
worked much in his life.

>You may well be familiar with the effects at home, work or school ñ
>people reacting with fear, anger, bemusement etc. to the latest
>revelations we are treated to, whether they be about terrorism,
>anthrax, the use of ground  troops etc..

I am enough pissed off because you are boring. You haven't contribute
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in this list but rant and references about
something you don't know but you red about in books. I am sure I know
you very well though I never met you before. Cause I have seen many
people exactly like you preaching exactly the same gospel 20 years
ago.

What do you expect? Wake up the masses? But there are no masses here
and you are a lame duck if you think that people have been waiting
for you to let them know what happens around. I for one I am enough
annoyed with that, cause I don't need anybody like you to lecture me
on what's good for mein my life. Additionally there is no reason to
add noise to a list that has already a heavy traffic.

To find the masses you have to go where they are, but I am sure they
turn their back to you as usual.

>Many are trying to understand what's at the root of it all,
>"The Media" always making sure that something remains "missing in the
>middle":

You have a home page that offers the real version of the pure thing.
Good for you!

>  anything that might inadvertently point to the capitalist mode
>of production as the underlying cause of the apparently varied miseries
>which face us every day.

But in life there is no pure thing,, never was, no black nor white,
only grey, but you the popes of the
real orthodoxy, just can't get it. Hearing you it is like listening
to the same tape and once you have heard it you know what will say
next time.

>Certainly anything that might help make the link between the
>exploitation we suffer in our daily lives and the wars and terror we
>see presented as media spectacle elsewhere...
>...For the real war, the class war, takes place every day, wherever we
>are, here in our everyday lives.
>
>www.worldsocialism.org - The Antidote To The Capitalist News.

News you said? What is your antidote?

You never contibuted anything so far, just rants and only refer to
the D day when things will change from one minute to the other like a
miracle etc...yes, I know, the struggle will be long but the
leadership etc...If this is your antidote we risk to die from boredom
before. Unless you somehow contribute to the aim of this list which
is primarily information about NATO's wars, spare this list's readers
please, and use your homepage and your list to spread your gospel.

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>He said that dispatch of international observer force under the 
>umbrella of the United Nations is the only way to stop bloodshed in 
>occupied Palestinian territories and called for the 
>Secretary-General Kofi Annan's personal intervention and active role 
>of the Islamic and Arab states to stop Israeli violence against the 
>Palestinians.
>
>Once again, the United States took an active step to support Israeli 
>state terrorism as it has done several times before to undermine the 
>international community's resolve to stop bloodshed in the Middle 
>East.
>
>The US killed a UN resolution on Saturday urging monitors in the 
>West Bank and Gaza on grounds it was biased and would not promote 
>the peace process.
>
>Meanwhile, French Foreign Minister Hubert Vedrine on Saturday 
>described as 'incomprehensible' the US veto of UN Security Council 
>Resolution.
...

Why "incomprehensible"? After all wasn't that the reason, the 
Secretary-General has been rewarged with the Nobel prize? He has been 
the man turning a blind eye in cases he was supposed to stand up. He 
has been also blaming victims for their problems.

The expression goes such as "when somebody eats, should shut up".

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At 0:50 -0500 12/15/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>[01] Athens warns of 'Euro-force' veto if sovereign rights infringed
>
>Athens, 14/12/2001 (ANA)
>
>Athens stressed on Thursday that it would reject any agreement over a
>proposed 'Euro-force' if the European Union's position doesn't consolidate
>the country's sovereign rights at this weekend's EU Laeken summit.
>
>'If the text satisfies us, we will vote for it," Greek Foreign Minister
>George Papandreou told members of Parliament's foreign affairs and defense
>committee on Thursday morning, shortly before he was to depart for Belgium
>to join Greek Prime Minister Costas Simitis.
>
>Arriving in Brussels, Simitis was due to discuss European defense issues on
>Thursday with his Belgian counterpart Guy Verhofstadt, the current head of
>the European Council.
>
>According to sources, Papandreou would also be present at the meeting,
>along with his Belgian counterpart Louis Michel, NATO Secretary General
>Lord George Robertson and EU High Commissioner for Defense and Foreign
>Policy Javier Solana.
>
>In Athens, meanwhile, Papandreou told Greek deputies that even if Greece
>did resort to a veto, 'this does not mean that discussions would not
>continue'.
>
>Papandreou spoke before a Greek Parliament committee where nearly all of
>the ruling PASOK party's deputies rejected a recent high-profile US-British
>compromise deal with Turkey as "unacceptable'.
>
>In fact, 30 PASOK deputies declared in a written statement that they backed
>the government's position of using a veto in the event of an 'arrangement'
>that "nullifies the autonomous entity of Euro-defense and contravenes the
>decision of the Nice summit".
>
>Communist Party of Greece (KKE) deputy Orestis Kolozov endorsed the veto
>idea, while Coalition of the Left and Progress (Synaspismos) deputy Maria
>Damanaki said that displays of "bravado", such as use of the veto, were not
>helpful.
>
>Karamanlis: On his part, main opposition ND leader Costas Karamanlis took
>the Greek campaign on the "Euro-force" issue to the European People's Party
>(EPP) fold during the political grouping's summit in Brussels, as he tabled
>the matter in an off-the-agenda discussion.
>
>The ND emphasized that "certain circles" are attempting to include Turkey
>in the "Euro-force's decision-making process ... a country (Turkey) that is
>not part of the European Union."
>
>"What kind of Euro-army would this be if it couldn't operate in the Aegean
>and Cyprus if necessary; one that would leave Greece, an EU member-state,
>exposed?" he asked.
>
>"Don't those espousing these views remember or know that Greece is a
>country under threat? These are unacceptable things; I consider that it is
>not only inconceivable for us to accept this, but even to compromise."
>
>Finally, he said it was the Greek premier's duty to categorically reject
>any such notion.
>
>When EPP President Wilfried Martens reportedly asked Karamanlis during the
>session whether both the government and main opposition in Greece shared
>the same viewpoint on the "Euro-force" issue, Karamanlis replied that it
>was a "common Greek position", sources said.
>
>Gov't spokesman: In later statements, the government spokesman reiterated
>that Athens wasn't ruling out the possibility of amending or supplementing
>the recently unveiled US-British formula to allay Turkish disagreements
>over the establishment of a "Euro-force" by European Union member-states.
>Such a force would have close ties to NATO, of which Turkey is a member.
>
>According to spokesman Telemachos Chytiris, if the changes requested by
>Athens are not made then the issue will be delayed.
>
>PASOK deputies' text: The statement released by the 30 PASOK party deputies
>reads:
>
>"We, the undersigned deputies, feel the need and obligation to express our
>deepest concerns over what is presented as an 'unofficial'
>English-US-Turkish agreement, which not only ex-cludes Greece and Cyprus
>from the common defense system - of which we will contribute approximately
>10 percent - but also does not safeguard our country from the possibility
>of a Turkish military action. We consider it imperative that clear,
>specific and binding answers be given to (Parliament's) foreign affairs
>committee, and for us to express our own views and positions".
>
>The deputies' text also lists four of positions:
>- -- It must be made clear to our partners that the proposed arrangement
>abrogates the autonomous entity of a Euro-defense and contravenes the Nice
>summit agreement. For us, whatever form of exclusion of Greece and Cyprus
>from the Euro-defense will cancel out one of the two primary reasons for
>our participation in the European structure, namely, the economy and
>defense.
>- -- We back the (Greek) government's position to veto any such arrangement.
>- -- Rejection of this 'agreement' must be unequivocal without any vagueness
>and differing wording that would result in pretexts for 

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Subject:
   Muslim group says US video an anti-Islam ploy
  Date:
   Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:50:11 PST
 From:
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (AFP)
  Organization:
   Copyright 2001 by Agence France-Presse (via ClariNet)
   Newsgroups:
   clari.world.asia.south, clari.usa.terrorism, 
clari.news.conflict.misc, clari.world.top, clari.world, 
clari.world.asia+oceania, clari.world.asia.central+south, clari.usa, 
clari.usa.misc, clari.news.conflict


ISLAMABAD, Dec 13 (AFP) - A radical Pakistani Muslim party said
that the release Thursday of a video of Osama bin Laden
acknowledging involvement in the September 11 attacks on New York
and Washington was "part of the American media war against Muslim
leaders."
The video was released by the US Defence Department but a
spokesman for the Jamiat-Ulema-e-Islam (JUI) party said the United
States should give proof of bin Laden's involvement in court.
"Americans are trying to justify their genocide of Afghans and
Muslims by resorting to such low quality tricks," said Riaz Durrani,
the JUI's information secretary.
"The Americans, if they have evidence, should prove his guilt
before a court of law and not TV channels and newspapers run by
Jews," he added.
The JUI supported the Taliban militia in Afghanistan throughout
the US military campaign launched after the September 11 attacks.
Durrani said the video "will only cause further doubts in the
minds of Muslims" about the US campaign.
In the video, al-Qaeda network chief bin Laden claims credit for
the September 11 attacks. US officials said it conclusively proves
that bin Laden masterminded the hijacked plane assaults which killed
3,300 people.

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Re: For Richard R, Barry S etc: On the SU's Afghan war, 1979-89[WWW.STOPNATO.O

[G.R.]

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>---
>Rolf, you are one of the biggest ad most persistent TROLLS on the 
>the internet. *Nobody* gives a damn what you wrote in 1996...or at 
>any other time, before or since, for that matter.  You are a legend 
>in your own mind and the sooner you are banned from this list, (like 
>you have been banned from PTTP and other lists) the better.
>mart

LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL!

>  > HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK
>>  ---
>>
>>  Now that there once more is a big war in Afghanistan,
>>  and once more people all over the world rightly are
>>  protesting against this atrocity too, there has been
>>  something of a discussion on this list about the
>  > previous aggression against that country, in 1979-89.
>  >
>>  It's possible that some list subscribers don't know
>>  all that much about this earlier war. Richard Roper
>>  and Barry Stoller, for instance, certainly don't know
>  > even the most elementary things about it, as can
>>  be seen from some recent postings of theirs.
>  >
>>  So for your benefit, Richard and Barry - and I hope
>>  this may interest list subscribers in general - I'm
>>  sending again four postings of mine from 1996 which
>>  were about that war, among other things reproducing
>  > a report on how it was discussed beforehand among
>>  the top Soviet social-imperialists leaders at the time:
>>



Sure!

Though from what I see, it took you time to fully understand all the 
ramifications of the struggle of classes since the war has finished 
in 1989.

Why to stay only there? "Modesty is a false virtue" as the french say 
and to me it seems that this description fits you like a glove.  But 
there are plenty of other events I am sure you have something to say, 
so why not to pour in the list your messages by the score or all 
together as you have been doing back in 1999, so we hook on the study 
of the real thing.

Last but not least why don't you make team with another person who 
suddenly disappeared from the list (ouf!) and that has been lecturing 
everybody on everything and talking without stop about the benefits 
of using her site and magazine that had the answer for everything in 
this vain world.
...

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Re: Croatia Faces Up to Nazi Death Camp Past [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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...
>Some 85,000 inmates -- Serbs, Jews, Gypsies and anti-Fascist Croats --
>are estimated by independent historians to have perished in the camp,
>set up and run by Nazi-allied Ustasha authorities who ruled Croatia in
>1941-45.

...

I see! I have seen in Baudson's book (French edition) 700.000 victims 
nearly all of them Serbs which seems to me accurate. And despite of 
this monstruosity various thinkers as... the proeminant philosopher 
(sic), that is when his father's business give him the time to deal 
with philosophy, B.H. Levi, has been calling the Serbs Chetniks, all 
the way long during the wars of seccession in Yugoslavia, making 
allusion that they have been collaborating with the nazis. Not less.

Of course nobody called him far right or whatever but once he was 
thrown at, a yogourt, after he finished his speech;-). Well deserved!

But is there any credible source or archives about the number of the 
deaths, Miro? Answer in private mail can be also fine.

Zdravo

--
Kosta

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Re: Sharon: A terrorist then, a terrorist now [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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>
>Sharon: A terrorist then, a terrorist now
>
>
>   
>
>by Stephen Gowans
>
>In a December 5 paean to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, Globe and
>Mail journalist Paul Koring writes, Sharon "has been a fighter since the
>age of 14, when he first joined the Haganah, an underground military
>group that opposed British rule."
>
>If your eyes pass over the sentence quickly, nothing seems amiss. But
>pause for a second, and ask yourself this: How is Haganah, "an
>underground military group that opposed British rule," different in
>principle from Hamas, the Palestinian military group that opposes
>Israeli rule? And why is Haganah, a terrorist group, called an
>underground military group, when Hamas, a terrorist group, is called a
>terrorist group?
...
Excellent, as usual, Mr. Govan but, I disagree at a point.

The name of the land was Palestina and the name of its people is 
Palestinians. Israelis and Jews say Palestinians never existed which 
is a blatant lie. Sharon isn't Palestinian by origin nor was born in 
Palestina like many of the people of this immigrant country. He came 
to the land pursuing the Sionist aspirations of his people, "the 
promised land for the chosen people". By killing and deception the 
state of Israel was created on the blood of the innocent Palestinian 
civilians in Deir Yassin etc..

Thinking of a contemporary paradeigm I would say Kosovo, though 
Kosovo hasn't become yet independent because Albanians do not possess 
yet as much "bourgeois media" as the Jews.  In fact Haganah and Stern 
of Menahem Begin had done exactly the same thing that the foreign 
mujahedeen had done for KLA in Kosovo or in Bosnia. Palestinians are 
living in their occupied land and it is their duty to kick out their 
killers and the occupators of their land with the last think they 
have been left, their despair.

Haganah and Stern, they were terrorists and killers that came with 
purpose to kill the inhabitants of the land. Saying that they were 
trying to flee the nazi persecution is inaccurate as the decision to 
create a Jewish state in Palestina was desided and lobbied by Hertzl 
after 1890, decided by the Balfour declaration in 1917, and other 
niceties like the fact that the British in order to get rid of their 
Jews send them to somebody else's country. How nice!

And this ideological affiliation to Haganah and Stern is uninterupted 
till our days, cause this is the official line of Israel today, and 
it has been the same since its creation. Don't take my words for 
granted, just look the news. Killing kids, spinning that they were 
caught in crossfire, killing civilians with missiles, assassinating 
resistance leaders, take prisoners innocent people to use as bargain 
chips, executing POWs, destroying civilian infrastructure and calling 
the international community to pay to rebuild them and sure I am 
leaving a lot I can't remember as everyday brings new villainies into 
light.

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Re: **ALERT**(Was: Re: PRESS RELEASE [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK])

[G.R.]

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>- Original Message -
>From: G.R. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Cc: Miroslav Antic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 4:44 AM
>Subject: **ALERT**(Was: Re: PRESS RELEASE [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK])
>
>>Mr. Antic I am in principle very hostile
>
> Hostility on SN? Do my eyes deceive me?
>
> Peaceably,
>
> Bill.

Just saw it! Interesting. Though I am not sure I get correctly your 
flavor of humor Bill.;-)

  My hostility was not about any person or group of person. I am a bit 
surprised because Mr. Antic, judging from his web site, (I saw once 
last year, I think), is as a person rather well versed into the world 
of computing to neglect these details.

He might have his reasons after all...

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Re: E.U. plans "suspected protester" database --Statewatch[WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK

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At 3:10 + 12/5/01, Bill Howard wrote:
...
>STATEWATCH, Press release, 3 December 2001
>
>Special report on:
>
>
>EU plans to extend the Schengen Information System (SIS) to:
>
>i) create EU database to target "suspected" protestors and bar them from
>entering a country where a protest is planned
...
Thanks Bill. Sounds relevant as I saw on today's  local Asahi-IHT 
paper edition something pretty much similar coming from the HQs of 
the EU. I hope I will find the time to scan and send in time ;-)
-- 

Cheers
--
G. R.

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>A mock international war crimes  tribunal convened in The Hague 
>Monday to prepare to pass final judgment on charges that Japan's 
>wartime emperor Hirohito and his government were accomplices in 
>forcing Asian women into sexual slavery during World War II.
>On Monday the so-called Women's International War Crimes  Tribunal 
>on Japan's Military Sexual Slavery met to give a summary of the 
>proceedings held in Tokyo a year ago.
>In Tokyo the court, set up by a coalition of women's groups and 
>human rights campaigners with the aim of ending the silence about 
>the World War II sex slaves in Asia, had found the defendants guilty 
>of crimes against humanity for overseeing the Imperial Army's 
>"comfort women" system.
>Over 200,000 women from across Asia, mostly Koreans and Chinese, 
>are believed to have been forced to work as sex slaves in Japanese 
>military brothels.
>The victims were forcibly abducted and taken to buildings near  the 
>front lines, euphemistically dubbed "comfort stations", so soldiers 
>could use them as involuntary prostitutes.
>Presiding judge Gabrielle Kirk-McDonald of the United States,  the 
>former president of the UN war crimes tribunal for the former 
>Yugoslavia, adressed the gathering Monday. She praised the former 
>sex slaves for coming forward to seek justice.
>Kirk-McDonald said the judges presiding over the mock war crimes 
>court had tried to seek justice in a "full, fair and impartial way".
>The court's formal judgment to be pronounced here on Tuesday  will 
>have no legal force. But it is intended to have maximum moral impact.
>"I hope the judgement will influence the Japanese government to  do 
>something for me and the other women," said 75-year-old Suhannah, a 
>former comfort woman from Indonesia.
>Joint chief prosecutor Ustina Dolgopol, an Australian expert in 
>international law, said the prosecution had asked that the Japanese 
>government be sentenced to provide some sort of satisfaction to the 
>victims.
>"They have to admit to the facts and offer a full and frank 
>apology," she told the court. Dolgopol also asked for payment of 
>compensation to the victims and help in setting up memorials for the 
>victims.
>"A comprehensive appology is the most crucial, the lack of  honesty 
>of the Japanese government is an affront to former comfort women," 
>she said.
>Many of the victims are now in their 70s but are still  determined 
>to fight for an official Japanese apology and compensation for their 
>suffering.
>"We have had wishy-washy unofficial appologies, I want an  official 
>apology and I want compensation," said Jan Ruff-O'Herne, a Dutch 
>women who was 19 years old when she was forced to work as a 
>prostitute for the Japanese army in Indonesia.
>"I don't want charity, I want compensation from Japan," she  said.
>Patricia Viseur-Sellers, the other chief prosecutor, said the 
>enslaved women suffered "untold physical and mental anguish". She 
>told the court that the women were forcibly transfered to the 
>brothels where they suffered countless rapes, were confined to small 
>cells, underwent forced abortions and were starved.
>"Nobody understands how much we suffered, only the women who  went 
>through it with us," Ruff-O'Herne told AFP.
>The 78-year-old said that she was removed from a Japanese 
>internment camp in Indonesia in 1944 with 10 other girls who looked 
>pretty.
>"We were loaded onto a lorry and dropped off at a brothel in 
>Semarang, on the island of Java," Ruff-O'Herne said.
>It took her 50 years to be able to speak about what happend to  her.
>
>Sher Singh
>
>
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Re: **ALERT**(Was: Re: PRESS RELEASE [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK])

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>This time you sent over a macrovirus with a very misguiding name,
>that is safe Safe. Though it does not affect my platform it is a
>problem, so please scan your system to fix this problem.
>
>PS: Owners
>Wouldn't be better if the list ceased to accept posts with attachments?
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>Regards

My apologies!

I have been very fast to debunk the enemy 8-(.

What triggered my reaction was the following: SAFE press 
release.Mima.doc (WDBN/MSWD) (00011C0D) that is a file with two 
suffixes. Generally virii travel around as .xxx.pif, .xxx.scr, 
.xxx.vbs, Docs.doc etc. Finally it was just a simple M$Word file with 
an uncomprehensive encoding.

And as it happened very recently to get a private mail from a member 
of this list (though we don't have any private correspondance) with a 
virus attached on it I considered as a case of emergency. That was 
not the case so please excuse my conclusion.

I maintain though my previous statesments that attachements and HTML 
are wasting bandwidth and are potentially dangerous.

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**ALERT**(Was: Re: PRESS RELEASE [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK])

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>Attachment converted: PHGADI2:SAFE press release.Mima.doc 
>(WDBN/MSWD) (00011C0D)

Mr. Antic I am in principle very hostile to the HTML and attachments 
you and other people send occasionaly to the list as a breach to some 
elemantary safeguards and a waste of bandwidth.

This time you sent over a macrovirus with a very misguiding name, 
that is safe Safe. Though it does not affect my platform it is a 
problem, so please scan your system to fix this problem.

PS: Owners
Wouldn't be better if the list ceased to accept posts with attachments?

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Re: Kunduz massacre 'raises questions' [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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>"We did not tie them. We brought them here to be safer," he told
>reporters.
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Then probably the prisoners have done it themshelves to put a blaim 
on the NA. But I am sure the mainstream media will buy it.

And seems to me that there are some troubling similarities with the 
"cheuf d'oeuvre" of the masters of art in Shabra and Shatila. Don't 
you think?

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Re: GREECE WANTS MACEDONIA TO CHANGE ITS NAME [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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on 01.9.15 6:44, Jacques Protic at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> 
> Dear V, According to some British press (Broad sheets), Alexander the Great
> was an Albanian!!! Jacques

Yeah! I have heard this story not exactly from the British press but from
some circles that have been active in Greece "to promote the friendship with
Albania" using as a link Arvanites.

These Arvanites live in several areas of Greece and are speaking a kind of
dialect which looks as an early Albanian language. Fullstop. The
representative of this circle (died last year) has  been invited by BBC in
the past where he exposed his thesis while mainly at the same time he has
been active adding to the thick fog of lies about Serbs denouncing them as
torturers of the those "poor Kosovars" and much more. I happened to know him
personally and had consult him a few times some years ago.

His sources were rather limited and there was an immense efford to attribute
all Greek history to Albanians. Lately I learned that this is a very active
branch in Albania nowadays (do you see any reason? Call me Greater Albania
as used to be the plan of Holy Alliance at the time of Hapsburg and
Hoezollern) working on this "revision" of Greek history printing books and
giving lectures even in Greece. Concerning his sources no sound researcher
would accept them as they are distorted elements. Especially the fact that
he went to speak about it in London makes me believe that the above fellow
unfortunately has been working the as the fifth column.

He has been also praised though for his work but not his conclusions, since
he used some original methods of research. The main problem has been though
his sources or better their absence, since he has been streching them until
they reach the desired result. Mainly he used the above mentioned
"revisionist" material from Albanian sources.

Coming to the fact that Alexander was an Albanian I guess Albanians will
have to fight with Macedonians as both say the same;-). For the record I say
that the a much used reference we have is in Arrianos's "Alexandrou
Anavasis" where in a part it is written that "he was shouting to his soldier
in Makedonian". Also another fact is his mother's origin who was from the
tribe of Mollossoi.

At that period we don't have Albanians but Illyrians, Mollossoi were a Greek
tribe as they were speaking Greek and recognized as such by the other Greeks
participating in the Olympic games and as for Illyrians their state frontier
was close to Tirana, they were subdued to Alexander's father Phillipos B',
and we know from excavations also that they were using Greek money and their
cities had Greek names. After the death of Skeder-bei (Alexander bey) in
15th c. they were subdued to Turks were converted to Islam and had been
their mercenaries and the terror of Christian populations. During the WWII
they have been very active in the same kind of activities they excell, under
the support of the Germans. The initial plan of the Hapsburgs, which had
failed once more in WWI due to the Servian bravery, resurfaced.

Now what is this Makedonian language. For sure it is not the FYROMian
language as Slavs were not in the Balcans before the 7th c. A.D. Greek
language had (and still has dialects) that have the same core but sound very
different among them but to an honest linguist they are not. I am thinking
about the difference of accent among somebody living today in Dover and
somebody in Liverpool or in Scotland ;-). Becides that Makedonia is a
geographical name of the region named after its Greek inhabitants that is
Makedones as the written history from the classics can attest. Now
conserning the "revised" versions of history available, you, people in this
list you know very well where they come from.

Last but not least as for Macedonia (FYROM) is conserned as eloquently put
by "TiM" editor Bob Djurdevic in his web site http://www.truthinmedia.org/
is simple. No Soros = no Macedonia.
 

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Re: STRATFOR Real-Time Analysis: Intelligence Failure[WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK]

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on 01.9.13 6:52, Miroslav Antic at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> 
> Mounting an attack of this sort is not simple. In the case of the
> World Trade Center, the collapse of the towers indicates massive
> delayed explosions. This means either the planes were loaded with
> explosives or that massive explosive charges were planted in the
> buildings to go off later. This is supposition, but a secondary
> explosion is a necessary factor for explaining the collapse.
...
Nope! This is wrong.

I just saw one of the numerous emissions here dealing with the incident,
where they have been explaining how possible some things can be like how a
plane can hit a law and a high building and how such a building can collapse
like WTC did. 

In fact, the two towers had, like buildings here have a steel frame outside
which is connected with a grid for each floor but has no coloumns inside
except a central steel pipe. It suffice that the central pipe is cut
somewhere (the metal to melt, needs around 600 degrees C) and any building
will collapse the same way.

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