[AsburyPark] Re: Belmont and Atlantic Fire-Answers
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buildings destroyed in fire were to be razed for redevelopment And this answers what ? Another assumption that a plan calling for demolition of existing assets and the destruction of an existing neighnorhood is a good thing? Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Belmont and Atlantic Fire-Answers
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 bluebishop82@ wrote: Buildings destroyed in fire were to be razed for redevelopment And this answers what ? The topic the board was discussing was who the owner of the buildings are and when they were transferred. The column answered that with the quotes from Jimmy and Terry. They said that Westminster bought them last week. That's all I meant by answers. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Photos of Fire - East side
My shots from around 5:20 - 7:00. http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/belfire/f1.htm http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/belfire/f2.htm The telephoto was left home. Kept a few big, rest were reduced for the web. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Photos of Fire - East side
One things for certain about this fire. It's not a good idea to rip up a major roadway and leave it unusable for months. Had Cookman Avenue been passable the Fire Department would have been able to get some water on the rear of the building. One thing that does not come out in most of the photos is that water from the ladder truck that was on the eastern side of the building rarely reached the fire. The water was shooting against the wind and even with all the skill the firefighters had and with all the water pressure they had they could just not battle Mother Nature. ~joe Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Sale of Belmont and Atlantic
The sale of the Belmont and Atlantic Hotels reflects the unfairness of what is going on in AP. The sale to Asbury Partners close in October 2005 for a purchase price of $1,277,000. I am waiting for the deed to Westminister to be recorded to see that sale price. You can bet that it will be multiples of that, however, I suspect that it will be sold in conjunction with adjacent and nearby parcels so I'll have to analyze it on a square foot basis. This is why the recent court decision was so bad and frankly, unconstitutional. The WRP lasts for 30 years but there is no schedule for condemnation of specific properties and owners, and their proerties' values, are held in limbo, possibly for many years. Under such a long term plan property owners must be given the right to develop their own properties pursuant to the plan (the court held that their cases were not ripe because they had not exhausted this possibility by applying to Asbury Partners but we all know its terms are confiscatory). Certainly it is not fair that Asbury Partners should be able to immediately flip their properties to subdevelopers for obscene profits. That is speculation I have never seen a WRP that allows a developer to do just this. What this sale also shows is how ridiculous both the City's and Asbury Partners' values of the Triangle are. Recall that the City asked for $490,000 and Asbury Partners $175,000. The Triangle is 19,200 sf by itself, however, the street vacation areas expand the parcel and nearly double the amount of units that could be built there. The Hotels site is much smaller, being only 13,300 sf. It also is not waterfront property as the Triangle is, and in fact, since the portion of Ocean Ave that fronts the Triangle will be vacated, the Triangle is the only piece of true waterfront property in AP that can be developed with residences. The purchase of the Hotels site should be reflective of the same valuation date (April 2001) as the Triangle if I read the Court decision correctly, since it too faced condemnation and would be subject to the same exclusion of increase in value from the alledged project enhancement demarked by the MOU. Our governing body should wake up to the injustices that are not only be perpetrated against property owners and its taxpayers, but the City as a whole by a loss of our history and quite frankly, a fleecing of citizens (condemnation) and our treasury (under valuation of the Triangle). To make matters worse, Asbury Partners is being aided and abetted by our own government since it is the City that has the power of eminent domain. What could be different? Had the Belatlantic Hotel not faced condemnation it likely would not have been sold to Asbury Partners and would still be standing today and we would not have been robbed of a piece of our City's history. If Asbury Partners was not permitted to impose confiscatory terms for owners to develop their own properties it is likely that that site would be developed in a manner that incorporated its architectural history. Certainly it was a fine candidate for a turn of the century BB. Yesterday's fire was a sad day for this City and an unnecessary event. It is 4 years since that MOU was signed. What do we have to show for it? Asbury Partners has two major obligations; restoration of the waterfront and rebuilding our infrastructure. It has quite plainly failed on both accounts to date. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Sale of Belmont and Atlantic
Looks like Asbury Park Pressmay have 2 new reporters for Asbury Park.MATT PORIOAND ALISON HERGETdid the story about the fire. Guess 2 reporters from the N Y Times in towncovering Asburylast week was too much for editors of the press. SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Sale of Belmont and Atlantic
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Certainly it was a fine candidate for a turn of the century BB. This sentence that you wrote - is why people around here can't see eye to eye, because there is a refusal to concede what the plan is, and what it isn't. The Redevelopment Plan made a conscious effort to be year-round and not seasonal. Daily visitors, not overnight visistors. In fact the parking plan was intentionally drawn to discourage the old fashioned week-end, week long and summer long tourist. The whole thing was studied, argued, vetted and ultimately decided upon. An election re-affirmed the City's acceptance of the plan. Why argue for a Bed and Breakfast when the City has moved away from tourism so decidedly? It's tough for discussion to move forward when we get stuck pondering something that was decided so long ago. I know you greatly disagree with the idea, and I don't mean to start a flame war over whether it was the right or wrong direction to go, but we did go there, and we have to keep moving forward. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Sale of Belmont and Atlantic
Or, maybe they were there because the fire was on a Sunday and those folks were covering? Nay, let's go with your theory. It's more fun. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like Asbury Park Press may have 2 new reporters for Asbury Park. _MATT PORIO_ (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) AND _ALISON HERGET_ (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) did the story about the fire. Guess 2 reporters from the N Y Times in town covering Asbury last week was too much for editors of the press. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Benefits for all
Good job Donna Kathy (STAFF PHOTO: MICHAEL SYPNIEWSKI) Donna Harrison (left) and Kathy Ragauckas stand outside their Asbury Park home. Harrison says the fact that her employer lets her extend her health benefits to Ragauckas makes her feel welcomed. Benefits for all Even as the cost of benefits continues to soar, more employers are extending their benefits to gay and lesbian workers. Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 02/27/06BY MICHAEL L. DIAMONDBUSINESS WRITER To Donna Harrison, a computer consultant from Asbury Park, her company's benefits program means much more than health insurance or a secure retirement: It tells her whether her employer truly embraces her. So when SunGard Data Systems bought her previous company three years ago and offered benefits to her and her partner, Kathy Ragauckas, a retired Monmouth County worker, it erased any hesitation she might have had in the corporate takeover. "It makes all the difference knowing you're working for a company that respects your lifestyle, your orientation and the people at home that help you do the job you need to do," said Harrison, 44. Ocean County freeholders recently engaged in an intense debate over offering domestic-partner benefits, and a growing number of private-sector companies are offering such benefits for their gay and lesbian employees. Company officials say the decision to extend benefits beyond traditional married couples boils down to their desire to attract talented workers regardless of their private lives. But experts say gays and lesbians have yet to participate without hesitation. "Employees who are gay and lesbian are often reluctant to reveal that to their employers," said Stephen Hyland, an attorney who specializes in estates, trusts and domestic partnership issues for Hill Wallack in Princeton. "Therefore, they choose not to obtain these benefits because, basically, they don't want to come out." The idea of offering benefits to domestic partners attracted the spotlight recently in Ocean County, where Laurel Hester, a law enforcement officer stricken with cancer, lobbied freeholders to allow her to leave her pension benefits to her domestic partner, just as heterosexual workers can leave their benefits to their spouses when they die. The freeholders at first resisted before changing their minds in the face of public pressure. Hester died shortly after. The private sector more frequently is extending the benefits it offers married employees — such as health insurance — to gay employees who certify they are in a committed relationship. A survey by the Society for Human Resource Management, an Alexandria, Va.-based trade group, found 32 percent of employers offered domestic partner benefits in 2005, up from just 16 percent in 2001. The sharp increase has come even though companies have tried to rein in the skyrocketing cost of benefits, ranging from health insurance to pensions. "You're obviously going to be at a disadvantage if you are going to recruit workers that might not look at a company that doesn't offer benefits like that," said Jen Jorgensen, a spokeswoman for the human resources group. Some New Jersey companies, such as Lucent Technologies Inc. have offered same-sex benefits for nearly a decade, while others expanded their benefits more recently. Newark-based Prudential Financial Inc. began offering domestic partner benefits in 2000 to help it stay competitive with other financial services companies and attract a diverse group of workers, said Ellen Borak, vice president of health and welfare benefits. She said gay and lesbian employees, like all employees, sign up for benefits online. They certify that they have lived with their partner for at least six months and are in a committed, serious relationship in which they are financially dependent on each other. The benefit has increased the company's health insurance costs by 2 percent, Borak said. But she said it also has sent a message to workers and customers alike that Prudential is an inclusive company. "I think it goes a long way to show what kind of company Prudential is: very diverse and attune to the diverse needs of the diverse work force," Borak said. "I've never heard of any business segment coming back saying we lost an account because Prudential is offering domestic partner benefits, but I have heard that it helps." Hyland said gay and lesbians still face hurdles, even when their employer offers same-sex benefits. For example, not all are comfortable disclosing their sexual orientation to their employers, so they don't participate. Additionally, employers can lawfully have a two-tiered system in which they pay the health-insurance premium of a spouse, but not a domestic partner. There are also different tax consequences. A married employee doesn't pay taxes on the money his employer pays for his spouse's health insurance premium. But a gay employee has to pay taxes for
[AsburyPark] It's more fun.
In a message dated 2/27/2006 12:36:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's more fun. Did you really want to say;"It takes2 reporters towork Nancy's beat." I may agreewith that. SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] It's more fun.
At 1:03 PM -0500 2/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/27/2006 12:36:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's more fun. Did you really want to say; It takes 2 reporters to work Nancy's beat. I may agree with that. Do you really think that last night's fire was a one-reporter story? Silly boy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Sale of Belmont and Atlantic
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Redevelopment Plan made a conscious effort to be year-round and not seasonal. Daily visitors, not overnight visistors. In fact the parking plan was intentionally drawn to discourage the old fashioned week-end, week long and summer long tourist. The whole thing was studied, argued, vetted and ultimately decided upon. An election re-affirmed the City's acceptance of the plan. Why argue for a Bed and Breakfast when the City has moved away from tourism so decidedly? Well if I recall correctly the City recently amended it to allow BB's. Secondly, I think the Council and the especially the Mayor's tirade at the special meeting on 1/27 clearly showed that they thought the year-round focus was wrong. I think they were explicit in that. You may argue that that is only in relation to boardwalk retail. Perhaps their remarks are limited to that but if you think that the overwhelming majority of people who will purchase the 3100 condos are going to be year-round residents, well, I think you should respectfully stick to the law and leave real estate to us professionals. I don't mean that mean-spirited Tom. But even if the major focus is for year-round living, are you suggesting that BB's nd tourism have no place in AP? I think that is a mistake, a big one, and it will lead to a never-ending cycle of one revenue source - residential real estate taxes. And what may I ask has Partners, the council or the WRP done to make this an inviting place for year- round living? Fishman has told potential buyers in the press not to bring their families because fo the schools. It's tough for discussion to move forward when we get stuck pondering something that was decided so long ago. My post was not in the vein of moving things forward, but a look at what we lost yesterday. I know you greatly disagree with the idea, and I don't mean to start a flame war over whether it was the right or wrong direction to go, but we did go there, and we have to keep moving forward. Your last remark neglects the issue of what destination one wants to reach. I would rather halt my forward moment to get my bearingss rather than rush forward into the wrong direction. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Sale of Belmont and Atlantic
Title: [AsburyPark] Re: Sale of Belmont and Atlantic Tom, Most people do not have a clue about the specifics of the plan and will be shocked by the following: Full property line buildout with 8 story buildings creating Kingsley Alley. Miniature sidewalks - for a new Urbanism plan that is supposed to promote pedestrian movement, you better get used to walking single file. No parking for beachgoers No parking for concert goers Narrowing of all streets (the Ocean Grove effect) Destruction of everything that gives the waterfront its character with the exception of the boardwalk properties, the berkeley hotel and paradise A friend of mine said it best when the plan was being voted on. If any member of the City Council had property east of Heck/Bergh/Grand they would not have voted to condemn all by eminent domain. ~Joe -- ___ Joseph D'Andrea ~ http://www.west21.com/ ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEST21.com Internet services for the 21st Century webhosting ~ co-location ~ Webcatalog programming ~ Database design SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Sale of Belmont and Atlantic
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend of mine said it best when the plan was being voted on. If any member of the City Council had property east of Heck/Bergh/Grand they would not have voted to condemn all by eminent domain. And there is always the rumour (hey there Skip old bloke) that certain properties were eliminated from being taken because of friends on the Council. Recently you remember both the Mayor and Deputy Mayor promised that Mrs. K's property will not be taken. I make my living from eminent domain and I don;t think anyone's should be condemned. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Belmont Atlantic useless?
If you don't think buildings such as the Bemont Atlantic Hotel have a use... then read this: http://www.preservenys.org/programs/awards02.htm#American See some pic of the before here: http://www.asburypark.com/images/amerhotel2.png http://www.asburypark.com/images/amerhotel1.png And see Rachel Ray's visit here: http://www.americanhotelny.com/publications.htm -- ___ Joseph D'Andrea ~ http://www.west21.com/ ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEST21.com Internet services for the 21st Century webhosting ~ co-location ~ Webcatalog programming ~ Database design Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Sale of Belmont and Atlantic
Title: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Sale of Belmont and Atlantic On 2/27/06 1:58 PM, Joe D'Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, Most people do not have a clue about the specifics of the plan and will be shocked by the following: I think most people would be shocked to discover that they voted to eliminate tourism. I really think people believed that the City Council and Asbury Partners were going to bring the town back to its former glory not close it off from the rest of the world. I can see why you believe the election confirmed that people wanted this plan in place; however, I think that if people truly understood the plans intentions they would have voted otherwise. A simply yes/no on tourism would probably have brought far different results. SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Belmont Atlantic useless?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you don't think buildings such as the Bemont Atlantic Hotel have a use... then read this: http://www.preservenys.org/programs/awards02.htm#American See some pic of the before here: http://www.asburypark.com/images/amerhotel2.png http://www.asburypark.com/images/amerhotel1.png And see Rachel Ray's visit here: http://www.americanhotelny.com/publications.htm See NYT story. Note first line. At least we don't have to worry about having a developer who is also a preservationist. That was Rich DePietro. NEIGHBORHOOD REPORT: MORNINGSIDE HEIGHTS; The Cost of Terra-Cotta Charm? A 15-Story Residential Tower By DENNY LEE It is the dilemma of every foe of developers who happens to also be a preservationist, a description that seems to fit a fair number of Morningside Heights residents. The dilemma is this: The owners of a two-story terra-cotta building on the northeast corner of 110th Street and Broadway have presented neighbors with a tough choice. Either preserve a quirky 92-year-old building with a tower added or permit a bulkier structure in its place that would block light and air. The first plan calls for a slender 15-story residential building that would sit on top of the old two-story structure that currently houses the West Side Market and a bagel shop. This approach would maintain a low-scale street wall along Broadway, and preserve what the architectural historian Andrew S. Dolkart calls ''the only architecturally notable'' commercial structure in the area. The design, however, requires a zoning variance to allow a taller structure on the site. An alternative plan, which does not require any zoning change, calls for razing the terra-cotta structure and replacing it with a boxy 11-story building. It would sit squat with the sidewalk, creating an imposing street wall. Under both plans, the new structure would contain luxury apartments. Even tenants of the same building are of two minds on the subject. ''For the last 27 years, I've had views of the Hudson River,'' said Miriam Winocour, who lives on the top floor of a 14-story apartment building behind the site. She opposes the tower plan, she said, because ''two of my windows would be filled in with bricks.'' But Chris Doeblin, who lives on the third floor of the same building, sees things differently. ''I'm going to lose my view anyway,'' he said. ''The issue is the greatest good for the greatest many.'' Nearby residents are also divided. Some focus on the street and the architectural charms of the two-story structure, while others look to the sky and the height of existing buildings. Still others are undecided. ''I haven't made up my mind,'' said Assemblyman Daniel J. O'Donnell, who lives on West 111th Street and who attended a Community Board 9 presentation on the plans two weeks ago. ''It's not only about whose light and air. There are also issues of contextual zoning.'' As far as the developers are concerned, the choice is simple. ''The community would prefer to see the terra-cotta building restored and preserved,'' said Michele de Milly, a publicist for Surtsey Realty, the company that bought the site in 1981. Not coincidentally, she said, the taller building is also more profitable. DENNY LEE Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Belmont Atlantic useless?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you don't think buildings such as the Bemont Atlantic Hotel have a use... then read this: http://www.preservenys.org/programs/awards02.htm#American See some pic of the before here: http://www.asburypark.com/images/amerhotel2.png http://www.asburypark.com/images/amerhotel1.png And see Rachel Ray's visit here: http://www.americanhotelny.com/publications.htm Joe, Don't you know we don't want any of those pain-in-the-ass tourists that flock to places like Ocean Grove and Cape May? Their money is no good around here. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] It's more fun.
In a message dated 2/27/2006 1:26:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you really think that last night's fire was a one-reporter story? Silly boy. Had nothing to do with the story, maybe because of redevelopment and other issues, AP needs more than one reporter. Maybe its better to beperceived as silly than one little angry man. Foodfor thought. SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Belmont Atlantic useless?
In a message dated 2/27/2006 2:10:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.preservenys.org/programs/awards02.htm#AmericanSee some pic of the "before" here:http://www.asburypark.com/images/amerhotel2.pnghttp://www.asburypark.com/images/amerhotel1.pngAnd see Rachel Ray's visit here:http://www.americanhotelny.com/publications.htm could not find the article or the pictures, I did appreciate the research, like to follow up. could you just put up the information inyour post. SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] It's more fun.
At 2:38 PM -0500 2/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/27/2006 1:26:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you really think that last night's fire was a one-reporter story? Silly boy. Had nothing to do with the story, maybe because of redevelopment and other issues, AP needs more than one reporter. Maybe its better to be perceived as silly than one little angry man. Food for thought. Angry? Gerry...it's you and your cronies in the back row who are the angry ones. Hope Rita doesn't sue me for that. ~Joe Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Werner and Dan should appreciate this...
http://www.shore.co.monmouth.nj.us/03230planboard/EnvirMidCoast/MCRegCha p4.pdf (get entire link) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Sale of Belmont and Atlantic
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't mean that mean-spirited Tom. I think you and I have evolved a friendship on this board where you don't have to remind me about stuff like that anymore. You've treated me very well here for a good long time and I hope I've done the same. Even Skip and I are getting along better! I hope we can all continue that because I think it has been beneficial to the board. Plus I'm sure you know I take on some of your posts for the purpose of getting the discussion going. I like hearing your take on what's happening. I do that with other people's posts too. Things get flushed out better when we all talk about them. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Sale of Belmont and Atlantic
Tom, If the plan is not to have BBs in the WRZ, then how come there's no fewer than four BBs that are either under development or about to open -- including one who will have the resolution approving their site plan memorialized at tonight's Planning Board meeting. They are all in the WRZ. How come the Planning Board thinks BBs are a good idea in the WRZ? ~Joe Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Firehouse Evacuated?
I hear that the AP firehouse was evacuated on orders of OSHA because of unsafe building conditions. Can anyone confirm? Do we have any land on which to build a new firehouse? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated?
The partners are supposed to build a new one, next to the sew plant (small one), aren't they?? The current firehouse should be moved or enlarged and modernized. They should use eminent domain and take out HV's 2nd ave warehouse): Actually, across the street from there. Incorporate a senior center and rec center on that block. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Werner and Dan should appreciate this...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.shore.co.monmouth.nj.us/03230planboard/EnvirMidCoast/MCRegCha p4.pdf (get entire link) Very interesting, the Carousel and the Belmont are on the cover. If my math is correct, it lists 9 historic places in AP. 3 are in the hands of Partners (Casino/Carousel, Convention Hall and Belmont), 1 is extinct (train station) and the other 5, including the Britwood Apts are in private hands. As of today, 1 is Partners' hands is destroyed (Belmont) and the other two are in terrible condition. The Britwood Apts have been restored and the 400 Main as well. The Steinbach is going through restoration now. Gee, ain't we lucky to have this master developer. The people in this city using their own money and without the power of the City have and continue to do more than Partners. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Firehouse Evacuated?
At 8:16 PM + 2/27/06, dfsavgny wrote: I hear that the AP firehouse was evacuated on orders of OSHA because of unsafe building conditions. Can anyone confirm? Do we have any land on which to build a new firehouse? I heard the same story. I know about 8,000 sq ft of land that's just been cleared. Seriously... this is a terrible thing if true. We don't have the money to temporarily house the fire trucks and fire fighters let alone acquire property and build a new fire house. Hopefully something can be done to get that building back to being able to be occupied. ~joe Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The partners are supposed to build a new one, next to the sew plant (small one), aren't they?? Sure, right after they restore CH, Casino and the pavillions. I think by their latest schedule that should be by 2015. I suggest the council outlaw all open flames in AP till then. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard the same story. I know about 8,000 sq ft of land that's just been cleared. I have an even bigger parcel for you, 19,200 twixt Deal Lake and the Ocean (Triangle). Condemn it and give them $175,000. Seriously... this is a terrible thing if true. We don't have the money to temporarily house the fire trucks and fire fighters let alone acquire property and build a new fire house. Hopefully something can be done to get that building back to being able to be occupied. I am sure something can be done, the question is it feasible. But I think we have to spend whatever it is now. If it is really cost prohibitive then we need to occupy the Triangle with trucks and temp trailers. I am sure our fire dept would appreciate being near the beach. We need to do something to fix this. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated?
bring c-8 down to 2 floors. Retail in front, trucks in rear. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
In the late 1950's my grandfather was Deputy Chief of the Asbury Park Fire Dept. The Chief was going to retire. Some City Council members took my grandfather out to talk about being promoted to Chief. He told them that he wanted a new firehouse because the one they had was in such terrible shape. They told him that it wasn't in the cards for the foresseable future. He took a pass on the promotion as a protest (perhaps over-playing his hand; they never built a new firehouse and he was never asked to be Chief again). In any event, that was the late 1950's and the condition of that building was awful way back then. I went in there last year and they had the same hope nothing falls on your head netting as the Casino. Maybe this is the kick in the butt we needed to get those guys a new firehouse. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe this is the kick in the butt we needed to get those guys a new firehouse. The questions are what do we do in the meantime and where do you build the new one? Perhaps the current site is not the best, I am uncertain, but I would assume that you would want 1) central location 2) easy access to main roads. The problem is we do not own much land. Clearly we need a temporary solution whether the current building is fixed or to build a new one. The Triangle seems a large enough spot for the trucks and trailers. Another location is of course the park at Sunset by the old train station. Is that city land? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
From the Plan circa 2002 3.11 Emergency Services Building The Parties will identify, within one year of the date hereof, a site of approximately five thousand (5000 sq. ft.) square feet for the possible future construction of an emergency services building. The site may include a portion of land currently part of the land upon which the sewerage treatment plant is located, if practical. Master Developer will contribute up to fifty ($50.00) dollars per square foot of construction costs not to exceed 5,000 square feet. Take the $250k now. Note, the within one year Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
That land is City land along main street. The building in the rear (former probation) was for sale for $1.5m. They also own the prosecutors office across the Firehouse. And, an 18,000 sq ft building and land at 3rd and Main ($1.7m). Who owns this, you ask. The partners in Broadway Arts LLCthe Katz's. Eminent domain the 3rd ave piece. Perfect piece, you can keep main st new with small retail and garages onto 3rd. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That land is City land along main street. The building in the rear (former probation) was for sale for $1.5m. They also own the prosecutors office across the Firehouse. And, an 18,000 sq ft building and land at 3rd and Main ($1.7m). Who owns this, you ask. The partners in Broadway Arts LLCthe Katz's. Eminent domain the 3rd ave piece. Perfect piece, you can keep main st new with small retail and garages onto 3rd. but you need to pay when you condemn. are you saying the city owns the prosecutor's office or the Katzs? I have to look if the emrgency building is in the RA not just the WRP. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That land is City land along main street. The building in the rear (former probation) was for sale for $1.5m. They also own the prosecutors office across the Firehouse. And, an 18,000 sq ft building and land at 3rd and Main ($1.7m). Who owns this, you ask. The partners in Broadway Arts LLCthe Katz's. Eminent domain the 3rd ave piece. Perfect piece, you can keep main st new with small retail and garages onto 3rd. It is in the RA. You're right, take the $250K now, even though its 3 years late. We'll build our own building later. The City should be able to get a Homeland Security grant for the new firehouse. Certainly EDA loans. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Sale of Belmont and Atlantic
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- If the plan is not to have BBs in the WRZ, then how come there's no fewer than four BBs that are either under development or about to open -- including one who will have the resolution approving their site plan memorialized at tonight's Planning Board meeting. They are all in the WRZ. How come the Planning Board thinks BBs are a good idea in --- the WRZ? -- They are not in the WRZ. The new regulations are to allow them as a conditional use in the infill are. That's between (Webb/Berg and Grand) Not a redevelopment area. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Sale of Belmont and Atlantic
At 9:21 PM + 2/27/06, wernerapnj wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- If the plan is not to have BBs in the WRZ, then how come there's no fewer than four BBs that are either under development or about to open -- including one who will have the resolution approving their site plan memorialized at tonight's Planning Board meeting. They are all in the WRZ. How come the Planning Board thinks BBs are a good idea in --- the WRZ? -- They are not in the WRZ. The new regulations are to allow them as a conditional use in the infill are. That's between (Webb/Berg and Grand) Check the map Werner... you of all people know that the WRZ is divided into two areas. The new BBs are definitely in the WRZ. ~Joe -- ___ Joseph D'Andrea ~ http://www.west21.com/ ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEST21.com Internet services for the 21st Century webhosting ~ co-location ~ Webcatalog programming ~ Database design Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Fire House Issue
The fire house is another example of demolition by neglect. The same as what happened to the Casino. No planning for long term repairs and rehabilitation. The fire house has been known to contain structural defects that need attention for years (decades!). There is no reason why money could not have been put aside over time to fund repairs. It just wasn't planned for. So here we are. Buildings are not mysterious things. They are repaired, jacked up, braced, etc, all the time. Look at all the homes that were in horrible condition that have been rehabilitated recently. What to do? Fix the building ASAP. There are several million dollars in a fund for Community Programs from Asbury Partners. Fire Protection sounds like a community program to me ! Relocate equipment/personel temporarily, fix the problem and then look at long term strategic planning for new facilities. The old Fire House (over 100 years old) would make a great community/senior/museum site. Get regional in thinking, enlist other depatments in Monmouth Co. to create a Fire Fighters Museum ! Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Sale of Belmont and Atlantic
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check the map Werner... you of all people know that the WRZ is divided into two areas. The new BBs are definitely in the WRZ. ~Joe Thanks Joe, I know it well and the map have been a problem for a long time for people unfamiliar with the history. Actually it is the WRP (The Plan) that is divided into 3 areas. The Redevelopment Zone is one of the 3 and is called the Prime renewal Area in the Plan and maps. That is the only are that can be properly called a Redevelopment Zone because it is the only area that was found to be blighted under State Law. The other 2 areas, The Infill Area and the Beachfront Area (maybe called Boardwalk Area, check) are NOT Redevelopment Areas. They are only mentioned in the Plan as part of a comprehensive statagy. The BB's are only conditional uses in the Infill Area. As I explained that is not a Redevelopment Area since it was never designated as such under statute. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fire House Issue
Get regional in thinking, enlist other depatments in Monmouth Co. to create a Fire Fighters Museum ! Werner And Terry Weldon could cut the ribbon. He's getting city $, might as well have him work for it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
I always thought that Main Street should be for stores. All those Municipal Buildings would be better as ratables. I also always wondered about having two fire stations, on on each side of the railroad, bcause God forbid if a fire truck ever had to wait for the train. Springwood Avenue has plenty of room. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought that Main Street should be for stores. All those Municipal Buildings would be better as ratables. I also always wondered about having two fire stations, on on each side of the railroad, bcause God forbid if a fire truck ever had to wait for the train. Springwood Avenue has plenty of room. I have heard that before. Is it feasible to have two? My first reaction would be how long does it take for a train to pass, but I wouldn't want it to be my house on fire waiting for the train. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Now may be a good time for AP Partners to come to the plate and show us how committed they are to the city. I'm talking alot more than $ 250,000. That land is City land along main street. The building in the rear (former probation) was for sale for $1.5m. They also own the prosecutors office across the Firehouse. And, an 18,000 sq ft building and land at 3rd and Main ($1.7m). Who owns this, you ask. The partners in Broadway Arts LLCthe Katz's. Eminent domain the 3rd ave piece. Perfect piece, you can keep main st new with small retail and garages onto 3rd. It is in the RA. You're right, take the $250K now, even though its 3 years late. We'll build our own building later. The City should be able to get a Homeland Security grant for the new firehouse. Certainly EDA loans. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
The questions are what do we do in the meantime and where do you build the new one? The problem is we do not own much land. Clearly we need a temporary solution whether the current building is fixed or to build a new one. My god, leave you guys alone for an afternoon and all hell breaks loose32 messages. The city owns a lot of land on Springwood, a steel structure would be quick, cheap and ugly; who knows, if Larry ever finds some money, we could use it temporarily (paint it puke yellow) then sell it to him for his corporate offices. The quickest thing to do is probably bite the bullet and fix the fire hall; park the trucks on the street and temporarily lodge the firemen at Paradise or Berkeley; this too has its disadvantages but is a quick fix. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now may be a good time for AP Partners to come to the plate and show us how committed they are to the city. I'm talking alot more than $ 250,000. I wouldn't count on it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] More on housing market declines
Home sales: Is the market glutted? January report shows 5% drop in new home sales from December, building boom has resulted in 20% more new homes on the market than a year earlier; new homes are taking longer to sell. By Chris Isidore, CNNMoney.com senior writer February 27, 2006: 2:38 PM EST NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - The pace of new home sales slowed in January, according to a government report Monday that included the latest sign of a growing glut of new homes on the market in some areas. The Census Bureau reported that new homes sold at an annual rate of 1.23 million homes in the month, compared with the revised 1.3 million home pace in December. Economists surveyed by Briefing.com had forecast that January new home sales would remain little changed at the 1.27 million pace originally reported in December. The report showed there was a 5.2 month supply of new homes on the market in January at the current pace of sales, as the number of new homes available to be sold rose to 528,000. That's up 2.5 percent from December and up 20 percent from the number of homes available in January 2005. The report marked the first time the supply of new homes crossed the five-month mark since November 1996, according to historical data from the bureau. The market had an average of a 4.5 month supply of home on the market throughout 2005. David Seiders, chief economist for the National Association of Home Builders, said it is too soon to say there is a glut of new homes on the market. But he said the latest report does confirm other readings that show a softer market for new home sales than seen during the record pace set last year, when a total of 1.29 million new homes were sold. There's been a definite upswing in the inventory level for some time, said Seiders. The months supply was held steady by a pretty strong sales pace. The big reason for the big uptick in months supply is the slowing sales pace. Seiders said there's no real correlation or effect on new home sales and the weather, but the warmest January weather in history could also have fed into the increase in months supply because the Census Bureau considers homes that are permitted or recently started as part of the available inventory. The warm weather prompted much stronger-than-expected starts and permits. But even the report's figure on median time it took for completed homes to be sold rose to 4.5 months from a median of 4 months throughout 2005, a number that wasn't affected by the warm January weather. Home builders have reported an increased number of orders for new homes being cancelled in recent months, raising concerns that buyers who were looking to real estate for an investment rather than their own housing needs are pulling out of the market. Such cancellations could put downward pressure on prices in some formerly hot markets. Home builder Toll Brothers (Research) warned last week that it is seeing greater supply than demand of new homes in a number of markets, and it pointed to the drop in interest by investor-buyers. Speculative demand has ceased and speculators are now putting their homes back on the market. The result has been more supply than demand in some regions, said the company's earnings statement. Markets such as metro Washington, D.C., which are sound economically and showing healthy job growth, will need to work through their excess supply before the imbalance once again tips in our favor. Still, the pricing information included in the report showed little weakness. The median home price, the price at which half the homes sold for more and half sold for less, was $238,100, unchanged from the median price for all of 2005 and up 4 percent from the December reading. The January median is also up nearly 7 percent from the year-earlier level, although it has slipped a bit more than 2 percent from the record $243,900 reached in October. But the strong prices could only continue to feed the oversupply of houses that seems to be developing, and could lead to a larger correction in the market in the future, said Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research and a long-time advocate of the theory that the current housing market represents a so-called bubble that could see a broad decline in prices in the future. Builders will keep building as long as they can keep getting these prices, said Baker. But I think there's a glut developing clearly in some markets and that clearly will put downward pressure on prices. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
I wouldn't count on it. I could of sowrn larry was seen driving down cookman with a hole in his tank): Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] From APP
Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 02/27/06 BY NANCY SHIELDS STAFF WRITER ASBURY PARK Fire officials evacuated their more than a century-old three-story firehouse today after the state Public Employees Occupational Safety Health came in to investigate a sagging second floor. The city had been evaluating a 3-inch dip in the floor in the bunk room and reached out Monday for Michael Jahn, the city construction official. An employee had complained to PEOSH, which brought that agency to the firehouse. Fire Director John Murphy said the Fort Monmouth Fire Department was helping to shore up the floor but predicted the firefighters - a full-time paid work force - will be out of the building for at least a week because of the eminent hazard. The decision to evacuate was made at 12:30 p.m., he said. A structural engineer was being brought in to evaluate the entire building. The firehouse switchboard will remain operational between 3 and 4 p.m. today and then the county emergency switchboard will take over, Murphy said. The city's public works yard on Main street could become the temporary home of the firefighters, who also run the city's emergency response system. City Manager Terence Reidy said Monday that some of the beams under the second floor are sagging and are being shored up. City officials have said for nearly a decade that the department needs a new firehouse because of the condition of the old one. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Sale of Belmont and Atlantic
But even if the major focus is for year-round living, are you suggesting that BB's and tourism have no place in AP? I think that is a mistake, a big one, and it will lead to a never-ending cycle of one revenue source - residential real estate taxes. And what may I ask has Partners, the council or the WRP done to make this an inviting place for year-round living? Fishman has told potential buyers in the press not to bring their families because of the schools. [and Tom] It's tough for discussion to move forward when we get stuck pondering something that was decided so long ago. Even Skip and I are getting along better! Tom, your absolutism is the primary cause of my referencing you blind. You possess a weakness for the least or simplest bit of justification for whatever position or argument you deem worthy, meritorious or justified. A favorite is the last city election; it is no surprise that you wished the incumbents to be re-elected, that you then supported The Fishman and Monster Trucks and that you dislike historic structures, tourists and those things which made Asbury such a magnet too many years ago. It matters not that the election was decided by a tiny plurality, that the winning side was bankrolled by Larry or that few of those voting understood the issues and none but a handful could know the details. Asbury purports to be a city, it is diverse and has the potential to be a terrifically interesting alternative to the humdrum of Jersey living; to do that will require the broad, general and varied rather than the restrictive, narrow and homogenous. Why not make a little room for the day tripper and tourism; who knows, they may learn to tolerate your Monster Trucks. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Sale of Belmont and Atlantic
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, your absolutism is the primary cause of my referencing you blind. You possess a weakness for the least or simplest bit of justification for whatever position or argument you deem worthy, meritorious or justified. A favorite is the last city election; it is no surprise that you wished the incumbents to be re-elected, that you then supported The Fishman and Monster Trucks and that you dislike historic structures, tourists and those things which made Asbury such a magnet too many years ago. It matters not that the election was decided by a tiny plurality, that the winning side was bankrolled by Larry or that few of those voting understood the issues and none but a handful could know the details. Asbury purports to be a city, it is diverse and has the potential to be a terrifically interesting alternative to the humdrum of Jersey living; to do that will require the broad, general and varied rather than the restrictive, narrow and homogenous. Why not make a little room for the day tripper and tourism; who knows, they may learn to tolerate your Monster Trucks. He's baaack! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
On 2/27/06 4:56 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought that Main Street should be for stores. All those Municipal Buildings would be better as ratables. I agree. I also always wondered about having two fire stations, on on each side of the railroad, bcause God forbid if a fire truck ever had to wait for the train. Springwood Avenue has plenty of room. I've never really thought about it, but is that the only fire department for Asbury Park? I always thought it was the biggest one but not the only one. How is it a town the size of Asbury Park would only have one, but a town the size of Belmar has about 4? Granted, they are all volunteer fire companies but they sure saved my ass a few weeks ago. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never really thought about it, but is that the only fire department for Asbury Park? I always thought it was the biggest one but not the only one. How is it a town the size of Asbury Park would only have one, but a town the size of Belmar has about 4? Granted, they are all volunteer fire companies but they sure saved my ass a few weeks ago. Well I think you hit the nail on the head, they are volunteer. we have to think about that going forward. certainly as the new ratables appear (when) we can afford more fire protection, but now? Perhaps we ought to consider auxiliaries. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
How is it a town the size of Asbury Park would only have one, but a town the size of Belmar has about 4? Geography 101; you can't put out the fire unless you can get to it. Belmar is larger (but 4?), Ocean certainly is and has 2, and I think Tinton Falls, which is huge, has 3; it's a time/space problem. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/27/06 4:56 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought that Main Street should be for stores. All those Municipal Buildings would be better as ratables. I agree. This is not good community based thinking. Public/Municipal buildings are important centers of civic life and are most always located on Main Street. City Hall, Post Office, Court House, Fire House, etc. serve to make the statment that they are different, the centers of government and in many cases the identity of a community. The short view that Main Street should be nothing but ratables ignores the entire evolution of Towns and Cities. Civic buildings help define the persona of Main Street USA. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
The JCPL building in Allenhurst is barely used and a major part of that town's redevelopment; I wonder how tough it would be to temporarily house the Fire Department there. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
I agree. This is not good community based thinking. Public/Municipal buildings are important centers of civic life and are most always located on Main Street. City Hall, Post Office, Court House, Fire House, etc. serve to make the statment that they are different, the centers of government and in many cases the identity of a community. You could be right. I wasn't suggesting moving the existing buildings like City Hall (although that is a tremendous location for a business hub - right next to the train station... It would start a bidding war) but perhaps future buildings or replacements (like the firehouse) should be built elsewhere. Of course, what do I know? I'm probably the only person in the world who thinks Asbury Park needs new parking garages on main street. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
On 2/27/06 6:19 PM, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How is it a town the size of Asbury Park would only have one, but a town the size of Belmar has about 4? Geography 101; you can't put out the fire unless you can get to it. Belmar is larger (but 4?), Ocean certainly is and has 2, and I think Tinton Falls, which is huge, has 3; it's a time/space problem. Hey we may have more volunteer fire departments than needed, but when the crew comes less than 30 seconds after you place a 9-11 call... Well, you're mighty thankful. Most Shore towns - as with Belmar and Asbury Park - had rather significant fires in their history. I guess some towns wanted to make sure that didn't happen again. Some went with a fire company on staff and others went with several volunteer units. Since I've lived here we had one very big fire in town. A fire that probably would have burned about 2-3 blocks to the ground if we didn't have all of the available units. As it was, a good chunk of a block burned down. Sounds like the fire on Sunday was an amazingly difficult one to handle with the wind. They did a good job. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey we may have more volunteer fire departments than needed, but when the crew comes less than 30 seconds after you place a 9-11 call... Well, you're mighty thankful. Most Shore towns - as with Belmar and Asbury Park - had rather significant fires in their history. I guess some towns wanted to make sure that didn't happen again. Some went with a fire company on staff and others went with several volunteer units. Since I've lived here we had one very big fire in town. A fire that probably would have burned about 2-3 blocks to the ground if we didn't have all of the available units. As it was, a good chunk of a block burned down. Sounds like the fire on Sunday was an amazingly difficult one to handle with the wind. They did a good job. Maybe all those year-rounders that we're going to get will join our volunteer fire dept. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
Maybe all those year-rounders that we're going to get will join our volunteer fire dept. Considering that Belmar is still a shell of its population in the off-season, I guess you don't need that many volunteers Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: From APP
I'm a little confused. Was the firehouse evacuated before the Belmont burned, or after? I missed the fire, but I was driving down Route 9 in Lakewood yesterday late afternoon and I could have SWORN I heard the sounds of a fiddle. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 02/27/06 BY NANCY SHIELDS STAFF WRITER ASBURY PARK Fire officials evacuated their more than a century- old three-story firehouse today after the state Public Employees Occupational Safety Health came in to investigate a sagging second floor. The city had been evaluating a 3-inch dip in the floor in the bunk room and reached out Monday for Michael Jahn, the city construction official. An employee had complained to PEOSH, which brought that agency to the firehouse. Fire Director John Murphy said the Fort Monmouth Fire Department was helping to shore up the floor but predicted the firefighters - a full-time paid work force - will be out of the building for at least a week because of the eminent hazard. The decision to evacuate was made at 12:30 p.m., he said. A structural engineer was being brought in to evaluate the entire building. The firehouse switchboard will remain operational between 3 and 4 p.m. today and then the county emergency switchboard will take over, Murphy said. The city's public works yard on Main street could become the temporary home of the firefighters, who also run the city's emergency response system. City Manager Terence Reidy said Monday that some of the beams under the second floor are sagging and are being shored up. City officials have said for nearly a decade that the department needs a new firehouse because of the condition of the old one. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: From APP
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 02/27/06 BY NANCY SHIELDS STAFF WRITER City officials have said for nearly a decade that the department needs a new firehouse because of the condition of the old one. Sure Nancy, if your idea of a decade is 50 years. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
Your point is well taken Werner, but you have to admit we have far over-done it with public buildings on Main Street. City Hall goes from Springwood to Bangs (3 Blocks). The Post Office takes up the block from Bangs to Summerfield. The Firehouse is on Main at Asbury Avenue. The Probation Dept. was up at Fifth. That's way too much. How great it would be if they razed City Hall's 3 blocks and put stores and a Parking Deck, with City Hall at the top of the Parking Deck. A Pedestrian Walkway over Main to Cookman. I can dream, can't I? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty lighty@ wrote: On 2/27/06 4:56 PM, bluebishop82 bluebishop82@ wrote: I always thought that Main Street should be for stores. All those Municipal Buildings would be better as ratables. I agree. This is not good community based thinking. Public/Municipal buildings are important centers of civic life and are most always located on Main Street. City Hall, Post Office, Court House, Fire House, etc. serve to make the statment that they are different, the centers of government and in many cases the identity of a community. The short view that Main Street should be nothing but ratables ignores the entire evolution of Towns and Cities. Civic buildings help define the persona of Main Street USA. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Firehouse Evacuated?
Wanting a new firehouse is nothing new. Others where knock down in the past or closed down. Five years ago, the city officials and occupants of the building did nothing to stop the bricks from falling off the corner of the building. It was to show the world thatthe oldbuilding was falling apart brick by brick. For 4 months, at council meetings, I talkabout thefirehouse shabbyappearance . Even the sidewalk was unsafe to walk on both sides of the firehouse. When the bricks were finally cemented back in place, Weiner said they did the repair job historically wrong at a council meeting. At the same time Terry Weldon was helping one of his buddies' assembly lots on Langford St.between1st 2ndAve. A house on 1st Ave was knocked down without a permit by the buddy. That how the story broke.Terry's plan was to have his palown the new firehouse and lease it back to the city someday. He was thecity manager.The rest is history. The press did a small story about the need for a new firehouse. Five years later the city officials and the same council did nothing to fix up the most handsome firehouse on RT 71. Brady Beach restored their firehouse 2 years ago. Tom, dothe taxpayersvote on a newfirehouse? SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? A Suggestion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, do the taxpayers vote on a new firehouse? No I don't think so. It isn't set up like school budgets, which I think are voted on by statute (?). Municipal law isn't my area of concentration, so I could be wrong, but I think the answer is no. Let's ask City attorney Fred R. Let me tell you a quick story. I had to speek a couple of weeks ago with other Freeholder Candidates in Colts Neck, at their Municipal Library. The Library was obviously new and it was a beauty. It had a traditional American appearance. Inside was very well designed with a fireplace in the reading area. I complimented some of the elected officials on the building. They said to me: Yes it's new, and we built it without spending any tax dollars. To which I replied, Errr, ya did what? They replied, That's right no tax dolllars, this one and the one across the way. The one across the way was another beautiful building. Here is how they did it: Donations. Can you believe that? I asked if they had fundraisers and perhaps a professional team that assists in that regard. Nope. Get this: They just started asking and the residents started giving. I turned green with envy over the community spirit. No one complained that this one or that one wasn't doing their job, etc. No fighting. Their town was in need so they made donations. Talk about Mayberry. I'm completely jealous. So what do you think, Asbury Park? Do we have that kind of community spirit in us? Could we just start asking for donations to see if we can build the firefighters a new firehouse? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse - Asbury is way more generous
So what do you think, Asbury Park? Do we have that kind of community spirit in us? Could we just start asking for donations to see if we can build the firefighters a new firehouse? Hell, Asbury is way more generous; we gave Fishman $400million for absolutely nothing, and will be paying for it, certainly another 26 years, probably double that. No town has the generosity to match Asbury's; only problem, ours is a bit misdirected. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
"Geography 101; you can't put out the fire unless you can get to it. Belmar is larger (but 4?), Ocean certainly is and has 2, and I thinkTinton Falls, which is huge, has 3; it's a time/spaceproblem."ocean has 3 firehouses. Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] firehouse
i agree a new firehouse is needed, but where is the question? the one currently located on the corner of main, and asbury ave, i think is in a bad location. it seems like that corner, could be used for something else, being it is the location visiotors star at, when stopped at the tracks on asbury ave. just a thought. i sopose if the current building were fixed, itwould be the main focus right there on the corner. although, i dont know, is the bukdling even adaquat for what the fire dept needs? i somehow doubt it. Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Firehouse Evacuated? -Some History
live and learn Skip Bernstein SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
