[AsburyPark] Re: Gumba
I'm cracking up at both of you! This is getting nuttier by the minute! There is nothing wrong in being Italo-American! Some of my best friends are! Sigh! This is America! Let those who want to celbrate, do so. I love Italian People. They have such a rich history and heritage. Tommy says that Italians were/are the indigenous people of AP. Don't know it this is true because I thought I read somewhere, that it was a Methodist Community; for whites, only, that Blacks lived on the West-Side in huts, etc. That Bradley was a pure bigot, while professing to be a Christian. Sound familiar? Don't know what brand of christianity those people were practicing, but it's not the one I know. I am a Roman Catholic, born in the mid-forties, was raised in a predominantly Catholic City, southern, segregated, unequal, etc. I had parents who owned a business, my father was a WWII veteran, who fought under Gen. Almond and Clark in the Italian mountains, saved and fed Italians, yet he had to travel in a train car, behind the Nazis, he captured. My father fought for democracy in Europe, while being denied it, here! He was in the 371st, 92nd Division, Buffalo Soldiers, from Ft. Huachuca, AZ, after Basic training, at Ft. Dix, NJ. I have been asked by the Department of the Army, for copies of my father's memorabilia, from a scrapbook, my mother fashioned, while she was carrying me. The information, was given to me when my father died, back in 1980. I am a proud, African-American and Woman of Color. Where I come from, I am called Creole, from my French, Indian and African Descendants, because there was no classification, for people like me. No one could be as proud as I am. Tommy is proud of his heritage and I respect him, for it. I hope AP continues, to have the Columbus Landing. I respect and love all of you, that are in this group, right or wrong. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])wrote : Do not pass go, and do not collect $200.00. Hey, thanks for the $200 reminder! No one has claimed the cash I offered to pay here: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/18863_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/18863) The offer still holds. Original Message Subj: [AsburyPark] Re: Gumba Date: 11/9/2006 6:01:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) Sent on: I guess we both ruined ours. You made clear before Gumba that you were on the Keady side of the Columbus holiday. Yet in your letter you brought up the defense of the controversy as if it were needed. That wasn't a swipe at me? You made fun of the costumes (as you do again). You talked of the rioting in OT. Not a swipe at me from the prior posts? Don't answer - I know it was. I would have left you out of mine if you had left me out of yours. As for my kids dressing as Indians, that's to honor them, just as the Order of the Arrow does. What if we all did it your way and never dressed in Indian garb again. That way, no one would remember what their culture looked like. While were at it, let's make sure the Order of the Arrow doesn't perform their dances in public, so everyone can forget that too. While we are at it, let's not honor them with sport team names - we really do need to get all reference and symbolism of them out of our lives. In fact, lets change the names of places from Wannamassa to Ohio, so we can forget them completely. On second thought, I'm going to disagree with you Dan. Indian culture seems worth remembering and honoring to me. I'll still dress my kids as Indians on Columbus day (Thanksgiving too) so I can make sure the gerneration I'm raising never forgets them, and they can pass it along to subsequent generations. On Martin Luther King day I sit my kids down and read to them parts of his writings. You ever done that? For your other suggestion of what I can do with my kids, you can go to Hell. Go directly to Hell. Do not pass go, and do not collect $200.00. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Dear Asbury Park UEZ and Paramount Theater, At least well written. I enjoyed it. But you really runied it by bringing me in on it. I would have objected in any way absent the Columbus Day controversy. In fact, I am serious that I consider this more of an offense than the latter (which I find no offense to). You really watered down the impact of your complaint. It's sort of like wispering in their ear (let me punch you and you fall
[AsburyPark] Re: Here are the indigenous people of AP - Not You Tom
I've known many of them for years! Gloria Richardson-Puryear, now deceased, was a member of this tribe. Her children are proud Indian descendants and live nearby. It's a wonderful story. At the base of Neptune Boulevard, and up the hill, are where many of them originally lived. Neptune Boulevard and Springwood Aves. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], In reference to your comment: justifiedright@ wrote: Lenni Lenape, Chief I won't bore everyone with a long post. Here's the link if you are interested. _http://sandhillindihttp://s_ (http://sandhillindians.org/) However, you're partly correct, the Cherokees migrated to live with the Lenni. Maureen, Let's have a debate about Columbus between the chief and Tommy on Asbury Radio. Original Message Subj: [AsburyPark] Re: Here are the indigenous people of AP - Not You Tom Date: 11/9/2006 5:55:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) Sent on: justifiedright@ wrote: Lenni Lenape, Chief I won't bore everyone with a long post. Here's the link if you are interested. _http://sandhillindihttp://s_ (http://sandhillindians.org/) However, you're partly correct, the Cherokees migrated to live with the Lenni. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: New Asbury Park Group - The Asbury Shrine
Yhanks for the invitation. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just created a new group where we can go when times get rough here. I hope you'll join me. Welcome to the Asbury Park Shrine. Please post your memories and hopes for the future of Asbury Park. From music, to mom and pops, the boardwalk and the Circuit. And let us know what you'd like to see happen here in the future. One rule...let's be civil...enjoy. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asburyshrine/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: A New Medal of Honor Winner
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright Nice story. What does this or the other post have to do with AP? Are you being patriotic? What have you done for a Veteran today? Did you know that the Bush Administration, does all it can, to DE- fund the Veterans? Have you read how the Vets down at Bethesda and Walter Reed, have to PAY for their own expenses? Do you know how much the American Legion and the VFW GIVE, to our veterans? Nice PR and platitudes, Bush does when the cameras are turned on, but he himself, has a checkered military record, which despite the secrecy surrounding his OWN so-called duty, he's criticized Max Leland a disabled Viet-Nam Veteran and has Christopher Smith, a NJ Republican, taken OFF, as Chairman of Veterans Affairs and replaced by someone, who will tow the Republican line, of Never serving and screwing Veterans as much as they can get away with! Just some remarks from the Chairman of Veterans Affairs for my organization. We never stop helping or giving to our veterans. The State of NJ has just ended our annual USO Holiday Drive, for Ft Dix and Maguire, as well as the USO at the Philadelphia Int'l Airport. We also have had our second annual Toys for the Deployed. We collect toys to be given to children of the deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan for Make a Difference Day. My Post has purchased 2000 Poppies for our annual Memorial Day Drive to collect donations for the Veterans at Menlo Park, Lyons and Veterans Haven, in Cumberland County, NJ. Did you know that my Unit purchased a new bed last year, for a homeless veteran, or that we purchased 30 motorized scooters, for disabled veterans? This year we are purchasing 15 lounge chairs, to replace the beaten up ones? It takes money to do these things, from the meager donations, that most vets don't have. If you want to do something for a veteran, you can contact me. Not asking, but we have REAL issues going on, where veterans are concerned. 1 in 3 homeless men, are veterans. Honor a vet, wear a poppy this year, during the month of May. I plan on providing our City Council with them, this year. John Loffredo, Ed Johnson, Mr. Bruno, Jim Keady and many other concerned citizens, are always at the monument, on 5th Ave., when I come with my Navy, Veteran husband, who is also retired from the Army National Guard, to place our wreath and give memorial words to the Catholic, Jewish, American Legion and the VFW, DAV and any other veteran group that is there. You'll never see me critize those, that honor our Vets! Thanks Jim, for all you do, to make sure Flags are flying proper and respectful. Our colors don't RUN! Thank You Sharon that means alot to me the Library Flag Pole is being fix the cleat was just to low is going to be rasied.The Rope Flags was being taken in past the Library did contact the VFW awhile back but they never got back in touch with them.We have a new Chain of Command know things are differant we had a pretty good turn out for Veterans Day the best one in awhile e SSG Craft is doing better rasing 2 daughters on his own in case anyone is interested.March 11,2005 this town rock.It a real shame a solider has to get wounded to get some Peace in this town.Everybody got along Sorry I miss yours Veterans Day Sharon. Some people take there FREEDOM for granted nothing good comes from a War accept a lesson.People come back damage in alot differant ways then forgotten about I see them around Asbury Park elsewhere thats when in come in to help!!Tommy means well he came knocking on my door one day for a dinner tickets for Jimmy's because what I do in town for the Veterans what everybody needs to do is work together so we can get this town back on its feet.I known I going to try my best to ignore the trouble makers just Move On in life. Sharon you have a HEART of GOLD care alot about people it is a Honor to known You.Lets not forget the Police Dep. Fire Dep. they have a thankless job until something bad happens to one of them.That flying on our Waterfront is also for them just like everyone else here.They also are willing to give there life with the job they do.Just like Veteran.Garrett Gilberson Jr. I Apoloize if I get upset with you your family in anyway.I take enough medicine from the the Veterans Hospital to control my seizures with bad side effects.But me the Deputy Mayor should be handled between us anyway I sorry.This Fire Dep. in town safe my life several times with seizures sometimes what I have gets the best of me. I have nothing to hide I speak the truth.My main concern is our Colors the Veterans in this town that we call home Thank You Sharon.God Bless You Roland your Family.You are a Angel in many ways. James Grabe Veterans Alliance Patriot Officer Asbury Park N.J.
[AsburyPark] Recreation in today's APP
ASBURY PARK â A new city recreation program is getting under way this month, with offerings in swimming, basketball, bowling, wrestling, tennis and hair braiding, in the most organized effort that city hall has made for its young people in decades. Most of the programs run for 15 weeks. Note, in the article, a city resident comments on the violence in the the city. Finally a rec program. They should use some of those affordable housing $ (that must be sitting somehwere) to fix the little league field. Pretty soon, there should be some more payments into the fund. What is the balance of fund??? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Reminder: Our Posts are Googlable
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, "rolemover" [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote: mario...you really are kinda creepy - Hey rolemover! That's cool with me! Thanks! I must be right on the money or you would have had something to refute it. Or maybe not. I'm in good company with others here whoseideasyou react to by referring to their "shitty ideas" and "you don't know you ass from a hole in the ground" or "no one gives a rat's ass." And previously to me privately somethingequally as grownup. There are lots others who consider what Ipost; they're usually people who can handle more than three sentences at a time; and then agree or disagree with their own reasons. I've suggested to you in the past to delete my creepy mail unread when you see it. Or block it as I do yours. I only happen to see your copy if someone else includes it in their post. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Reminder: Our Posts are Googlable
Define creepy! I find Mario's posts, informative, educational and a fresh point of view. He's not in anyone's pocket, this much I DO know! He is FOR Asbury Park and against the FEAR mongers, who sometime frequent this group. His post was but one of many caveat's, that not only do WE read these posts, is all. Nothing creepy about that, is there? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rolemover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mario...you really are kinda creepy --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: While I know that Google crawls the billions of web sites out there, this is the first time I received a Google alert linking to one of this group's posts. I have several alerts set up for topics I want to follow, and I generally set the alert type for news only, but this one was set for comprehensive alerts: the search box terms I used were: keady nj OR jersey asbury park. Here is the way the post shows up when you click the link. _Click here: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Jim Keady Inconvenient Truth (s) Nero Sleeps While_ (http://www.mail- archive.com/asburypark@yahoogroups.com/msg11108.html) I bring this up just to remind everyone that your posts here available to the entire cyber universe here. That includes justifedright's habitual backpedaling for all the cyber universe to see. Enjoy your Sunday everyone. I'm off to create a another comprehensive Google alert: DeSeno yellow journalism asbury park nj OR jersey. More on that soon, but that can wait till after the weekend. I already got a bad taste this morning from reading the latest justified right. This week it deviates from yellow journalism. It's one of his most fatuous. Sorry that word best suits Thursday's column. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Brown Report - Now the Press
In defense of Jim; He is the Eyes and Ears, of this City. Instead of sitting on his hands, he touches you. He has always, had the welfare of the children, of this city. Not saying that others haven't, he just takes a hands on, approach. He identifies with the people. He genuinely WANT to help those who either can't help themselves for lack of resources or other reasons. He is not afraid! I don't think I know a soul on the UEZ or the power they have to use our tax dollars to do what, with! I was on 2 boards at one time; Wesley Lake Commission and the Board of Adjustment. Now, I don't see anyone, who looks like me. on any board, except the school board and 2 on the City Council. One was born here and the other, I still consider new, but I only have one voice. This is a Black town, run by whites, as usual. If this is still America, I'm entitled to my opinion, under the 1st Amendment. Flame if you wish, because at this point, I really don't give a rat's you know what! New people, with New money want to move in, know every reason why Asbury is in trouble, want it THEIR way, never what's good for the good of all, the ocean-front, is being developed, while the underlying reasons the West Side STILL looks the way it does, after 36 years is, no one gives a schitt about Black People! Kanye West, was and IS STILL, right! George Bush and the Powers That Be Here, just don't care, about Black People! Credit to John Loffredo; He has given MUCH, to the Children of Neptune AND Asbury Park! My 2 cents! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We aired yesterday - the Press today Asbury Park's lightning rod Posted by the _Asbury Park Press_ (http://www.app.com/) on 11/12/06 If Asbury Park Councilman James Keady were being graded on his ability to alienate people, he'd be doing A work this marking period. First, he irritated fellow council members by joining union workers protesting the use of nonunion workers in some of the beachfront redevelopment projects. Two weeks ago, following the fatal shooting of 18-year- old Tylik Pugh, he told a New York City television station that Asbury Park was home to 200 members of the Bloods gang â a comment that prompted the city's Urban Enterprise Zone board of directors to ask him to resign his council seat and, for good measure, to leave town. Now, he has incurred the wrath of the city school board for touring Asbury Park High and meeting with students there without getting permission from the acting superintendent. Keady says his visit was blessed by the building principal. The issue here shouldn't be Keady, but trying to solve the problems Keady has demonstrated he is concerned enough about to reach out directly to the kids in the community. He should be applauded for taking the initiative to try to better understand the city's youth and the dynamics of youth violence. Instead of sending out letters criticizing him, the school board should be encouraging every other council member and community leader to follow his lead. Keady says he obtained valuable information from the students. I thought, and still do think, that the solutions lie with them, he said. So do we. Community leaders need to engage those students, as well as their parents and guardians, in an ongoing conversation. That will be much easier to do if the council and school board can do a better job of conversing amongst themselves. Copyright © 2006 Asbury Park Press. All rights reserved. Use of this site signifies your agreement to the _Terms of Service_ (http://www.app.com/terms/) and _Privacy Policy_ (http://www.app.com/privacy/) . (Updated June 7, 2005) Site design by _Asbury Park Press_ (http://www.app.com/) / _Contact us_ (http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section? Category=CONTACTUS) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I work with Veterans and you can barely get a blurb in the paper for them, so don't think that you're being ignored. We ALL, are! The Coaster, has been very good at publishing my news and I rely solely on this community based, newspaper. I can hardly get the Tri-City News, unless I visit Home Drugs, on Main St. I never know where I can pick up the Upstage, either. You might also get lucky with the Link and the Neptune Times. Have you tried the Newark Star-Ledger, the Trentonian? You might want to go to them. Just asking. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ wrote: it is sad how some have the need to control this board and hammer away at topics when private emails could be sent. What's private? We don't have the luxury of being published in the local papers. Smell the coffee roasting - there's a tight lid around here on what gets printed. I tried many times to take what I have posted here to the press. I only work in facts. That's my training and what I get paid for. Build a case with facts and present those facts. I have presented things to the press of import to this City. No go. Why? Kool Aid. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog
You can pick up The Upstage at The Wonder Bar From: "2fine4u" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comTo: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSubject: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady BlogDate: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 14:51:01 - --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, "dfsavgny" [EMAIL PROTECTED]. wrote:I work with Veterans and you can barely get a blurb in the paper for them, so don't think that you're being ignored. We ALL, are! The Coaster, has been very good at publishing my news and I rely solely on this community based, newspaper. I can hardly get the Tri-City News, unless I visit Home Drugs, on Main St. I never know where I can pick up the Upstage, either. You might also get lucky with the Link and the Neptune Times. Have you tried the Newark Star-Ledger, the Trentonian? You might want to go to them. Just asking. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ wrote: it is sad how some have the need to control this board and hammer away at topics when private emails could be sent.What's private? We don't have the luxury of being published in the local papers. Smell the coffee roasting - there's a tight lid around here on what gets printed. I tried many times to take what I have posted here to the press. I only work in facts. That's my training and what I get paid for. Build a case with facts and present those facts. I have presented things to the press of import to this City. No go. Why? Kool Aid. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: casino demoltion
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard oceanchuck@ wrote: it looks like the casino demolation will be taking place anyday now. i was just over that way today. they are removing the copper roofings over the bow windows, and a few copper panales from around the windows. Sure they're not doing that to pay their tax bill? Is this the Comedy Hour? Can't stop laughing! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Copy of fax to Frank Pallone
Sorry, I'm busting my side, laughing. Can't type anymore! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: Rather than go down that fool's path once more of trying to get a straight answer from justifiedright (and putting this group through the tedium in the process), I faxed the following inquiry to Pallone's offices. You should have also asked him if HE knows where Barney Frank where his ring. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Gumba
So what was Francis Ford Coppola, doing? He's Italian and this was one in a series of Godfather Films, right? Why did you insert Step and Fechit into your post? I've NEVER seen one of those films, but I have a copy of Little Black Sambo and Tar Baby. I don't know about you, man. Sometimes I wonder You've been carefully taught, huh? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Asbury Park UEZ and Paramount Theater, As you may know I have been a proponent of ridding our nation of the last socially acceptable stereotype in Hollywood: The caricature of the Italian-American as either a conniving, cold killer who runs organized crime, or a grammatically-challenged dimwit who works for the guy who runs organized crime. Prior to the movie The Godfather, Hollywood was balanced in their portrayal of mobsters in various ethnicities. Pretty Boy Floyd, Baby Face Nelson, Dutch Shultz, Bonnie and Clyde, Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Segal were all in movies, and none were Italian (they were also real people, unlike Vito Corleone or Tony Soprano). Since the move The Godfather, more than 400 feature length films have been made where mobsters are just Italian. That list grows, and it doesn't include the larger number of TV show, radio and commercial Italian false caricatures. I note the UEZ passed along an advertisement by Paramount Theater for Gumba Night. I hoped it had something to do with Gumby or Chicken Gumbo. I was saddened to find it was a misspelling of the word Goombah and used to describe a night of double feature Godfather movies (although I was happy to see that someone other than an Italian at Paramount Theater had proved the universality of the struggle with grammar). Goombah to Italians originally meant friend (although I must say, it's rarely ever used. I've never walked into Jimmy's Restaurant and yelled Hey Goombah!). However, it's in far more prevalent use today as a slur (even among Italians), conjuring up the stereotype described above. I know I am a long way from convincing people to frown on the showing of The Godfather as they would today frown upon the showing of the once popular Steppin' Fetchit movies (but I'm working on it). Accordingly, I will not ask that Paramount not show it or the UEZ not promote it. However, Goombah Night is objectionable by today's standards. It sounds like an event. I attend prideful events like the Italian American Festival, Italian American Heritage Festival and the Columbus Landing. How am I expected to attend a Goombah event? Shall I appear casually in my velour running suit, zipper pulled down to the top of my beer belly exposing my gold chains and just enough sprinkling of powdered sugar in my chest hair to confirm I've eaten my 6th sfogliatelle of the day? Or should I come retro in trench coat, tilted fedora and violin case? If that image is too scary, I'll just put on my vest, grind my organ and let my monkey dance for quarters. I know the UEZ has received an objection from another Italian American gentleman, and I'm fully aware that much of his was intended as a sarcastic swipe at me for my recent strong disapproval of Councilman Keady's attack on Columbus Day and our heritage. That gentleman was not insulted by what Mr. Keady did and his insinuation that Italians needed a defense against Keady in his recent communiqué is disingenuous. He makes fun of that tradition and the costumes worn at the Columbus Landing, costumes worn by several of my family members over the years. His recent communication is in furtherance of the Keady-inspired attack by outsiders on the Asbury Park heritage and traditions held so dear by our indigenous people. His sarcasm is an attempt to insult me despite knowing how offended I was by Mr. Keady's actions. I doubt he'd be so cruel toward another ethnicity, which confirms how vigorously I must defend the Italian American reputation. If, Heaven forbid, that same gentleman should ever find his fate in the hands of 12 jurors who think Tony Soprano is a peek at the Italian Genome, he will wish he had taken these matters more seriously too. I am further aware that this individual's true intent is to see me, a City supporter, oppose the City on any issue as he often does, since he is a City non-supporter. I'll grant him this one wish. I must first highlight a difference. My point has always been that Hollywood's bigoted Italian caricature is so prolific that it infects the psyche of America, so that most people will not recognize something like the word Goombah as a slur when in fact it is. The slur is masked so that people using it do not realize the slur, as was the case here with Paramount and the UEZ. On the other hand, Councilman Keady's attack on our Columbus Day tradition comes from him after he studied the
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Reminder: Our Posts are Googlable
On 11/12/2006 at 10:03:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why someone here once mentioned that they don't want to use their name on this boardIt couold cost you.I've been picking up more and more internet defamation cases recently. Do elected officials (e.g., Keady, Pallone, ) have a right to bring defamation charges against columnists? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] also wrote: Many people have the concern that message board posts get picked up by GoogleThe law respects people's rights to post with a pseudonym for that very reason. We should probably do that here too. OK - but a person posting anonymously should realize that 1) their credibility rating is much lower than those willing to be identified. To my knowledge, newspapers will not print anonymous letters for that reason, and 2) many will suspect that the anonymous poster is someone invented by someone we already know. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: First Columbus Now the Pilgrims
On 11/11/2006 at 6:30:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, "justifiedright" justifiedright@... wrote: I know this story - I think they had weapons of mass destruction, too. Seems the further away we get from history, the more it changes. Must have something to do with no standards or licensure to call oneself historian.Agreed, like someone saying the Italians are the indigenous people of this area. And like those who say the earth is flat, or there is no such thing as global warming. "Columnist" man still can't get over the so-called "librul" 1960s; it sticks in his craw because he's got some rose-colored nostalgic vision of the 1950s. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Asbury Music Awards
ASBURY PARK From avant-gardists to roots rockers, from up-and-comers to scene veterans, New Jersey's finest flocked to The Stone Pony in full force and full form Saturday night for the 14th annual Asbury Music Awards. Co-founded by Scott Stamper and Adam Weisberg, co-owners of The Saint nightclub, the Asbury Music Awards aims to showcase the broad scope of original musical talent forged at the Jersey Shore. Master of ceremonies Barry Penetrator, frontman for punk-dub powerhouse Barry and The Penetrators, kicked off the evening with a rousing rallying call for all his rock 'n' roll cohorts. Best on the East Coast The Jersey Shore is the best music scene on the East Coast, hands down, said Penetrator. Shows like this give the new bands something to strive for. That's why we need to keep coming out and keep showing our support. Performers for the evening included Woodfish, who were named Top Groove Band; Top Acoustic Act nominees Rachel Zamsteen, Phil Benson and Keith Kenny; Top Heavy Rock Act winner Twine, and indie-synth quartet A Love Like Pi, who were up for an award in the Top Young Band category. The only breaks I've got in this business, I got through this place. I owe it all to Asbury Park, said Benson, 24, of Hazlet. Also performing sets were '05 Asbury Music Awards favorites April Smith, Rick Barry and Matt O'Ree, all of whom garnered nominations at this year's ceremony. Newcomers Status Green took home honors in several categories, including Top Male Vocalist (Lou Montesano), Top Live Performance and Top Pop Band, for which the Howell pop-rock foursome vied against such Garden State mainstays as the New Brunswick psychedelic/power-pop outfit The Anderson Council and Eatontown singer/songwriter Bob Burger. The event also included nods for Top Radio Station and Top News Publication in Support of Live Music, a Musician Lifetime Achievement Award and a reading by Poet Laureate nominee Nicole Homer. In the future, I would love to see this get the attention of more people in the industry, said Weisberg. If we could use platforms like the Asbury Music Awards to help get more of our local bands signed, then I'll feel like we'd have done what we set out to do. For a complete list of winners, visit the The Saint's Web site at www.thesaintnj.com. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Keady Blog
On Nov 13, 2006, at 10:00 AM, Debbie DeLisa wrote: x-tad-bigger You can pick up The Upstage at The Wonder Bar/x-tad-bigger For the record, you can pick up Upstage in about 30 places in Asbury Park/Ocean Grove area; over 100 places in Monmouth County; and over 250 places throughout Central New Jersey. In a few months, Upstage will be available from Cape May to Bergen County with over 1000 locations. In the local area, your best bets are with our outdoor streetcorner boxes located at: 1) Wonder Bar 2) Frank's Deli 3) Cookman Ave - Be Green 4) The Saint 5) Ocean Grove - Nagles You can also download each issue of Upstage at http://www.upstagemagazine.com/printedition Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Reminder: Our Posts are Googlable
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do elected officials (e.g., Keady, Pallone, ) have a right to bring defamation charges against columnists? Of course! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: First Columbus Now the Pilgrims
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Columnist man still can't get over the so-called librul 1960s; it sticks in his craw because he's got some rose-colored nostalgic vision of the 1950s. He was just a glimmer in his parents' eyes in the 1950's Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Gumba
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've been carefully taught, huh? Ah, a girl that knows her musicals! A song from South Pacific about prejudice. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] APP Got it Right on Keady
Good enough to repeat. Watch and learn Bruno, UEZ and BOE. The issue here shouldn't be Keady, but trying to solve the problems Keady has demonstrated he is concerned enough about to reach out directly to the kids in the community. He should be applauded for taking the initiative to try to better understand the city's youth and the dynamics of youth violence. Instead of sending out letters criticizing him, the school board should be encouraging every other council member and community leader to follow his lead. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: APP Got it Right on Keady
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not the message Keady sent, everyone on Council and the Board agree. It's how Keady sent his message. Yeah, they would have liked him to write on a piece of paper, put in a bottle and throw it in the Atlantic. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] We need Thor Equities
A $1.5 Billion Vision For Coney Island BY DAVID LOMBINO - Staff Reporter of the Sun November 13, 2006 URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/43372 A D V E R T I S E M E N T A D V E R T I S E M E N T Even on a bright fall day, the streets that make up Coney Island's amusement district seem worn and tired, more tumbleweeds than tourists. While the area boasts an original circus-like charm, born of colorful characters who congregate there, even old-timers agree it needs a major facelift. The founder of the nonprofit Coney Island USA, Richard Zigun, blames the area's decay on a handful of property owners who were wealthy enough to sit on their property for 20 or 30 years and wait. They did not give a damn about the amusement industry, Mr. Zigun said. But the city's prolonged real estate boom is reaching Brooklyn's southern edge, and over the past two or three years, dozens of parcels in the amusement district have changed hands, opening up the possibility for new development. This is the best shot Coney Island has had in 50 years, he said. Hopefully, we will get something fantastic, something world- class. The biggest buyer is developer Joseph Sitt of Thor Equities. He has spent more than $100 million to assemble more than a dozen balkanized parcels along the boardwalk, close to the subway station. Thor wants to spend $1.5 billion to restore the amusement district to its former glory, transforming it from a place to spend a summer afternoon into a year-round destination, and giving it the feel of Las Vegas, Orlando, or Atlantic City. New designs drawn up by the architectural firm Ehrenkrantz Eckstut Kuhn depict Thor's futuristic vision. A new roller coaster would dart in and out of new buildings along Stillwell Avenue, the first roller coaster in New York City since the Cyclone opened in 1927, according to the developer. Opposite the subway station, Thor is planning a vertical ride to the top of a 150-foot-high water tower that would be decorated with flickering holograms of whales and mermaids. Where Stillwell Avenue meets the boardwalk, the developer wants to build a giant indoor water park and a three-story, glass-enclosed carousel. All the rides would be winterized. They would also be integrated with a movie theater, arcades, retail stores, and with existing attractions, like the Cyclone, the Wonder Wheel, and the Parachute Drop. Thor Equities would lease out the rides or find an operating partner to run the amusements. The plan has a catch. Thor says it needs the city to enact a zoning change to allow residential and hotel development in the amusement district. Thor wants to build as many as four towers on its site, comprising two hotels, a time-share, and an apartment building that could rise up to 40 stories. In the early 1970s, in an attempt to save the amusements, the city rezoned the area to forbid residential development, which it said threatened to chase the rides, games, and shows out of town. Now the developer is arguing that the profit from the residential development is the way to fund the area's regeneration. A spokesman for Thor Equities, Lee Silberstein, said, The problem with amusements is that they don't make money. There is a reason why people stopped building them. They are too expensive and too seasonal. That is part of the reason why we want to do residential. Currently, Coney Island attracts visitors for about five months a year, from April to mid-September. To be profitable, the amusements would need to operate year-round. The developer hopes the apartments and hotels will enliven the area and make it safer with a permanent human presence. The city is working on rezoning and design recommendations. Following additional public outreach, it hopes to put a plan through the land use review process next year. The developer is planning to prepare the 10-acre site for construction and they hope to open in 2010 or 2011. Some of the amusement operators in the Thor development footprint were forced to close up shop this year, and others will stay open for one more summer season. Mr. Zigun, who also sits on the board of the city's Coney Island Development Corporation, said hotels would be a welcome addition, but said he is dead set against condominiums in the heart of the amusement district. He said he's not looking for a fight, but a polite, intelligent discussion. Mr. Zigun, who has tattoos poking out from under his jacket sleeves, said Coney Island is best preserved for those with money who want to get drunk, stay out late, tendencies, he said, that only a non- resident would have. Put the loud places here, the things that don't belong in other neighborhoods, Mr. Zigun said. While some critics have said Thor's designs are too glitzy, Mr. Zigun envisions something like Las Vegas, Miami Beach, Orlando, Fla., and Atlantic City, N.J., jazzy, modern, and fantastical, as opposed to a suburban glass façade, or an
Re: [AsburyPark] Pallone ignoring Mario?
On 11/13/2006 at 12:27:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been 4 days since Mario contacted Pallone. Perhaps he is a tad behind on constituent services. Keep in mind 1. that my fax to him was to bypass you in determining the truth behind the alleged quote you attributed to him in your column. You still haven't named the reporter or where the quote is recorded. 2. Jim Keady's response to you: On 11/10/2006 at 12:36:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone ever seen him in Asbury, other than Barney Frank visits and for Ranney School night? Yes. I stood with him during the dedication of The Center in October. Both of the above are more of a reflection on your column and posts than on Pallone: questionable quotes and cherry picking facts for your own purposes. [EMAIL PROTECTED] also wrote: Maybe he's busy counting that $3+ Million he has in the bank. Or maybe because Mario is an AP'er, Pallone is going to ignore him.I'm betting it's that last one. Maybe Maureen can have Frank Pallone on AsburyRadio to answer for his anti-Asbury Park comment.Yea, like he'd come here. The above is a litany of mere insinuations. In your last column you had convulsions about misleading insinuations you claimthe Asbury Park Press made about Republicans. (Odd charge I thought since the Press's election endorsements last Monday were primarily for Repuplican candidates.) I'll reserve judgment on Pallone's commitment to Asbury Park until I hear from fairer and more authoritative sources. I also reserve judgment on his staff's efficiency regarding my fax. Anyone on your enemies' list would have to hire a whole squadron of staff just to respond to all the off-the-wall insinuations you make in your columns. That would be a waste of time, money, and energy. It's possible they just don't think "Justified Right" is worth all that. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: APP Got it Right on Keady
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not true. This Council has tripled recreation over the past 6 years. Is it enought? No Will it be increased ? I'm sure it will. Will it help the kids who are already in gangs? I doubt it. Will the boarder line kids take recreation over selling drugs and being in a gang I doubt it. There's no money in recreation. Will it save some? Hopefully. The question is how do you save the kids who are already lost? They are the problem. They are giving all kids a bad name. What Keady said is nothing new. The Council and Board have been coming together on Recreation long before before Keady arrived in Town. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: It's not the message Keady sent, everyone on Council and the Board agree. It's how Keady sent his message. Yeah, they would have liked him to write on a piece of paper, put in a bottle and throw it in the Atlantic. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] City Council Meetings Tonight
Dear Constituents: I am writing to inform you that the Asbury Park City Council will be meeting tonight, Monday, November 13, 2006. The Executive Session begins at 5pm, however this is not open to the public. The Workshop Session begins at 6pm and the Regular Meeting begins at 7pm, these are both open to the public. These meetings are being held today, instead of our usual meeting date on the third Wednesday of the month, because the City Council will be attending the NJ League of Municipalities Convention in Atlantic City later in the week. I have included tonights meeting agendas below and I encourage you to attend. I have also posted this entry at my blog, www.keadyreport.blogspot.com. If you are interested in signing up on my Councilman Keady Distribution list, please send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I hope this finds you well. Peace, James W. Keady Councilman, City of Asbury Park, NJ ASBURY PARK CITY COUNCIL EXECUTIVE SESSION MEETING AGENDA NOVEMBER 13, 2006 5PM CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC I. Contract Negotiations A. November 9th Waterfront Redevelopment Area Subcommittee Meeting with Asbury Partners Mr. Donald Sammet, Redevelopment and Planning Director II. Litigation A. Preliminary Investigation Report for Springwood Avenue Redevelopment Plan Mr. Sammet, Redevelopment and Planning Director B. Market Street Mission Mr. Fred Raffetto, City Attorney ASBURY PARK CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION MEETING AGENDA NOVEMBER 13, 2006 6PM OPEN TO THE PUBLIC I. Review of Regular Agenda II. Mr. Donald Sammet, Redevelopment and Planning Director A. Schedule of Events for Springwood Avenue Redevelopment Plan III. Thomas Gilmour, Commerce and Cultural Director A. Trash Containers for Central Business District Streetscape B. Marketing Firm Selection C. Garden State Film Festival Nomination IV. Kevin Keddy, Fire Chief A. Fair Exchange of Equipment with the Kearny (NJ) Fire Department V. Tom Hastie, McManimon and Scotland A. Request by the Cameo Bar to Modify Conditions on Alcohol License VI. Mark Kinmon, Deputy Police Chief A. Request from Wali Mohammed, Jr. to have grass area be cemented for smooth transition from van to sidewalk. VII. Special Event Applications A. Check Mate Annual Candlelight Walk 803 3rd to Trinity Church 12/1 VIII. Tony Nuccio, Social Services Director A. Sleeping in Public Ordinance IX. Mr. Fred Raffetto, City Attorney A. Animal Control Fees Ordinance (Discussion) X. Mr. Paul Torman, Merchants Guild A. Central Business District Issues as Requested by Councilman Keady XI. Matters to be Introduced by City Council XI. Matters to be introduced by City Attorney XII. Matters to be introduced by City Manager XIII. Matters to be introduced by Assistant City Manager ASBURY PARK CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING AGENDA NOVEMBER 13, 2006 7PM OPEN TO THE PUBLIC I. Public Participation II. Approval of Minutes III. Payroll Resolution IV. Bill Resolution and Inservco V. Applications and Liquor Licenses VI. Resolutions A. Appointments/Re-Appointments B. Contract with Visiting Nurse Association of Central NJ C. Insurance Settlements D. $600.00 for Recreation Music Camp D. Discharge of Mortgage 201 Borden Avenue E. Amend Budget (2 items) F. Items from the Tax Collector (4 items) VII. Ordinances: A. Introduction 1. Sleeping in Public Prohibited B. Public Hearings - Advertised 10/26/06 1. Amend Taxi Ordinance 2. Release Easement at 1406-1422 Springwood Avenue 3. Convey Easement 407 Grand Avenue and 503 Cookman Avenue Councilman James W. Keady 1 Municipal Plaza Asbury Park, NJ 07712 TEL: 732.502.5196 EM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cityofasburypark.com __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: APP Got it Right on Keady
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not true. This Council has tripled recreation over the past 6 years. Is it enought? No Will it be increased ? I'm sure it will. Will it help the kids who are already in gangs? I doubt it. Will the boarder line kids take recreation over selling drugs and being in a gang I doubt it. There's no money in recreation. Will it save some? Hopefully. The question is how do you save the kids who are already lost? They are the problem. They are giving all kids a bad name. What Keady said is nothing new. The Council and Board have been coming together on Recreation long before before Keady arrived in Town. Who's talking about recreation? You said it was not the message but the medium. The UEZ and others attacked Keady because he delivered the message. You say it's the medium. I say it's the message itself. Had he said it in the paper or anywhere in public. The status quo is to not let it get out. From what you write about the recreation effort can I assume you differ with your alter ego DeSeno on this? He mocked Keady for suggesting recreation as a way to keep kids out of trouble. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: APP Got it Right on Keady
I think it's sad that the redevelopment is only happening on the east side of AP. There are some pretty dismal areas on the west side, and in my opinion living in a bad looking neighborhood only makes things worse. Has there ever been any plans in AP to go places like Springwood and do some development there? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: That's not true. This Council has tripled recreation over the past 6 years. Is it enought? No Will it be increased ? I'm sure it will. Will it help the kids who are already in gangs? I doubt it. Will the boarder line kids take recreation over selling drugs and being in a gang I doubt it. There's no money in recreation. Will it save some? Hopefully. The question is how do you save the kids who are already lost? They are the problem. They are giving all kids a bad name. What Keady said is nothing new. The Council and Board have been coming together on Recreation long before before Keady arrived in Town. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: It's not the message Keady sent, everyone on Council and the Board agree. It's how Keady sent his message. Yeah, they would have liked him to write on a piece of paper, put in a bottle and throw it in the Atlantic. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] APP Got it Right on Keady
On 11/13/2006 at 12:18:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good enough to repeat. Watch and learn ,,,"The issue here shouldn't be Keady, but trying to solve the problems In trying to understand this whole episode, I am most thankful for Dan's post which included, for everyone's judgment, the whole batch of email communications among the involved parties. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/19410scroll down to "Consider the emails between Keady and school officials." Based on that information it's easy for me to agree with BOE members who see "miscommunication" as the problem, not any particular person. What a contrast between the light in theabove linkand and the dark here: http://justifiedright.typepad.com/jersey_shore_blog_/2006/11/yet_another_cou.html Quel difference! Original Message Subj: [AsburyPark] APP Got it Right on Keady Date: 11/13/2006 12:18:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent on: Good enough to repeat. Watch and learn Bruno, UEZ and BOE."The issue here shouldn't be Keady, but trying to solve the problems Keady has demonstrated he is concerned enough about to reach out directly to the kids in the community. He should be applauded for taking the initiative to try to better understand the city's youth and the dynamics of youth violence. Instead of sending out letters criticizing him, the school board should be encouraging every other council member and community leader to follow his lead." __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: City Council Meetings Tonight
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jim Keady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These meetings are being held today, instead of our usual meeting date on the third Wednesday of the month, because the City Council will be attending the NJ League of Municipalities Convention in Atlantic City later in the week. Thanks Jim, but I wish there was more notice. With the website not updated I wasn't aware of the change. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Target Stores
I don't know if this is true, but an email containing ALL of the following was forwarded to me. Go get them Tommy (if true). Wasn't it last Christmas that Target refused to let the Salvation Army ring their bells in front of their stores? Dick Forrey of the Vietnam Veterans Association wrote. Recently we asked the local TARGET store to be a proud sponsor of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall during our spring recognition event. We received the following reply from the local TARGET management: Veterans do not meet our area of giving. We only donate to the arts, social action groups, gay lesbian causes, and education. So I'm thinking, if the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall and veterans in general, do not meet their donation criteria,then something is really wrong at this TARGET store. We were not asking for thousands of dollars, not even hundreds, just a small sponsorship for a memorial remembrance. As a follow-up, I E-mailed the TARGET U.S. Corporate Headquarters and their response was the same. That's their national policy. Then I looked into the company further. They will not allow the Marines to collect for 'Toys for Tots' at any of their stores. And during the recent Iraq deployment, they would not allow families of employees wh o were called up for active duty to continue their insurance coverage while they were on military service. Then as I dig further, TARGET is a French-owned corporation . Answer the call - Time to BOYCOTT ALL TARGET STORES Now, I'm thinking again. If TARGET cannot support American Veterans, then why should my family and I support their stores by spending our hard earned American dollars! And, have their profits sent to France. Without the American Vets, where would France be today? They, most likely would be speaking German and trading in Deutsch Marks Sincerely, Dick Forrey Veterans Helping Veterans Please send this on to everyone you know to let Target know we dont need them either ! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: APP Got it Right on Keady
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on that information it's easy for me to agree with BOE members who see miscommunication as the problem, not any particular person. Nor a particular agenda either. However, I still think that DiSanto and the BOE owe Keady an apology. That letter did not deserve to be sent. It is also obvious that someone who was cc'd (which included BOE members, Council and City Manager) leaked it to the press, if that is what you can call Tommy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: APP Got it Right on Keady
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what you write about the recreation effort can I assume you differ with your alter ego DeSeno on this? He mocked Keady for suggesting recreation as a way to keep kids out of trouble. Nice try. I mocked Keady, and plan to do so again, for saying that the shooting wasn't criminal, and for making excuses for the shooter. A lack of basketball is not why that teenager got shot. Shooting someone in the face is over the top. All the recreation in the world won't help that sicko. Recreation is good in and of itself, unrelated to some psychobabble social justice scheme. Good exercise and fun. I have no problem with rec; I'm actively doing something for rec here in AP. I would never use a shooting as an opportunity to ask for money for my pet project, like you know who did. That was disgraceful. Here is my post. Didn't say anything close to what you say I said. http://justifiedright.typepad.com/jersey_shore_blog_/2006/10/councilm an_kead.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: APP Got it Right on Keady
living in a bad looking neighborhood only makes things worse. Has there ever been any plans in AP to go places like Springwood and It's called the Spingwood Ave Redevelopment Zone/Plan. It's been over 30 years since that area was to be redeveloped with Konvitz as the developer to build affordable housing. So here youa re today. I think tommy mentioned over 1 year ago that he was on the committee. Neptune is supposed to develop their side to Rt 35... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Target Stores
Hell, I don't go to Target or Walmart because it's companies like that that destroyed the mom and pop business in our country. Now I have another good reason not to go. Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if this is true, but an email containing ALL of the following was forwarded to me. Go get them Tommy (if true). Wasn't it last Christmas that Target refused to let the Salvation Army ring their bells in front of their stores? Dick Forrey of the Vietnam Veterans Association wrote. Recently we asked the local TARGET store to be a proud sponsor of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall during our spring recognition event. We received the following reply from the local TARGET management: Veterans do not meet our area of giving. We only donate to the arts, social action groups, gay lesbian causes, and education. So I'm thinking, if the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall and veterans in general, do not meet their donation criteria,then something is really wrong at this TARGET store. We were not asking for thousands of dollars, not even hundreds, just a small sponsorship for a memorial remembrance. As a follow-up, I E-mailed the TARGET U.S. Corporate Headquarters and their response was the same. That's their national policy. Then I looked into the company further. They will not allow the Marines to collect for 'Toys for Tots' at any of their stores. And during the recent Iraq deployment, they would not allow families of employees wh o were called up for active duty to continue their insurance coverage while they were on military service. Then as I dig further, TARGET is a French-owned corporation . Answer the call - Time to BOYCOTT ALL TARGET STORES Now, I'm thinking again. If TARGET cannot support American Veterans, then why should my family and I support their stores by spending our hard earned American dollars! And, have their profits sent to France. Without the American Vets, where would France be today? They, most likely would be speaking German and trading in Deutsch Marks Sincerely, Dick Forrey Veterans Helping Veterans Please send this on to everyone you know to let Target know we dont need them either ! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: City Council Meetings Tonight
A few months ago, I sent an email thru the cityofasburypark.com website recommending the creation of an emailing list to keep people posted about things like this. I was told they would consider it, so hopefully it'll be something they implement in the future. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jim Keady james.keady@ wrote: These meetings are being held today, instead of our usual meeting date on the third Wednesday of the month, because the City Council will be attending the NJ League of Municipalities Convention in Atlantic City later in the week. Thanks Jim, but I wish there was more notice. With the website not updated I wasn't aware of the change. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Target Stores
Dan I had seen that before. It's been around a few years. Whole thing is false. The email was sent, but the guy later retracted it all when it turned out all his info was incorrect. Here is the snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/target.asp As an aside, I used to drink Tanqueray, but switched to Beefeaters since the start of the war. Viva la Great Britain. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: City Council Meetings Tonight
Werner - What company is running the City's website now that Joe is passed. By the way - what's going on with all the websites Joe was hosting. Mine is down and I don't know who to call. You had called me once about it after Joe's passing. You still da man to see about that? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few months ago, I sent an email thru the cityofasburypark.com website recommending the creation of an emailing list to keep people posted about things like this. I was told they would consider it, so hopefully it'll be something they implement in the future. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jim Keady james.keady@ wrote: These meetings are being held today, instead of our usual meeting date on the third Wednesday of the month, because the City Council will be attending the NJ League of Municipalities Convention in Atlantic City later in the week. Thanks Jim, but I wish there was more notice. With the website not updated I wasn't aware of the change. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: City Council Meetings Tonight
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few months ago, I sent an email thru the cityofasburypark.com website recommending the creation of an emailing list to keep people posted about things like this. I was told they would consider it, so hopefully it'll be something they implement in the future. They have the email list already and Tom Gilmour sends out what's happening in the city every week. But if they did that for council meetings, et al., they might get good attendance. Who knows what would occur then ;) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: APP Got it Right on Keady
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is my post. Didn't say anything close to what you say I said. http://justifiedright.typepad.com/jersey_shore_blog_/2006/10/councilm an_kead.html Have to run to a meeting. Check you tomorrow, but I think you made light several times about b-ball. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Redevelopment gone mad in Coney Island
Holy crap. Check out the website below to see a mess in the making. http://www.curbed.com/archives/2006/11/13/heres_coney_island_v_21.php Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: APP Got it Right on Keady
Save you some time in searching... I have nothing against Basketball itself (except midnight basketball which puts the kids on the street at midnight). You'll find me criticising JK for bringing up basketball as an immediate response to the shootings, particularly when he lobbied to divert money from police to his basketball program. That was shortsighted and shamefully opportunistic. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Here is my post. Didn't say anything close to what you say I said. http://justifiedright.typepad.com/jersey_shore_blog_/2006/10/councilm an_kead.html Have to run to a meeting. Check you tomorrow, but I think you made light several times about b-ball. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Proof or Retraction Mr. DeSeno
Nice try. I mocked Keady, and plan to do so again, for saying that the shooting wasn't criminal Mr. DeSeno, Your above statement is a lie. I NEVER said that the shooting was not criminal. Provide clear evidence of me making this statement VERBATIM or retract your comment. You are twisting words and insinuating meaning in a libelous fashion. For the benefit of others on this list, I have included the entire article in question below. The comments that Mr. DeSeno is referencing are as follows. Earlier in the week City Councilman James Keady said the shootings are not just a criminal problem but stem from social issues. (emphasis mine) The roots of the problem are not criminal, theyre social, he said. One of the underpinning issues is poverty as well as a sense of hopelessness among young African-American men in the city. Mr. DeSeno, again, you are lying and I expect either proof to the contrary or a retraction of your statement. Peace, James W. Keady THE COASTER The city of Asbury Park is reeling from several shootings in four days, one leaving a teenager on life support at press time. The shootings, two of which took place during the day, all occurred within a two-block radius near the Asbury Park Middle School and Bangs Avenue Elementary School. In the most recent shooting Tylek Pugh, 18, was shot in the head at the corner of Summerfield and Prospect Avenues at about 11 a.m. Wednesday. Board of Education President Robert DiSanto said all public schools in the district would be closed today (Oct. 19). We are very concerned about our students; that is our primary concern, he said. We need to work closer with the police and in that area. It has happened too many times in that area. Police Inspector Christopher Van Buren was at the scene Wednesday afternoon and said Pugh did not live in the neighborhood where he was shot, but was from the general area. Van Buren said he knew Pugh, but did not know if he had prior arrests. I know who he is, said Van Buren. The inspector said he could not confirm that the shooting was gang related, but said, Our guys are looking into it now. The shooting occurred within one block of the Middle School on Bangs Avenue. Several police cars and officers were in the area at the time of the schools dismissal, but Van Buren said students left the school without incident. There were no problems, he said. Two residents at the scene said they did not see anything and a man sitting on a porch outside the house on Prospect Avenue where the shooting took place, said he did not want to comment as he strummed his guitar with his dog nearby. Fire Official Garrett Giberson said the fire department responded to a call at 11:20 a.m. from the county 911 and Asbury Park Police Department that a man had been shot. They went to Summerfield and Prospect Avenue and found the victim laying on the sidewalk with a gunshot wound to the head. They administered CPR and transported the man to Jersey Shore University Medical Center, where the trauma team was awaiting his arrival. Giberson said off-duty firemen were called into work to cover for those sent to the crime scene. Deputy Mayor Jim Bruno said he did not know whether the shooting was gang related. But gangs have their own justice system and they dont help the authorities when there are shootings, he said. The victims should help the police but they dont and thats a big problem. They get mad and then they get even. This is the time to act, not react. Whatever the deputy chief thinks he needs, the council will be there to support him. Wednesdays shooting was at least the third and possibly the fourth since Sunday. Asbury Park Police and the Monmouth County Prosecutors Office are investigating two shootings which occurred in the city on Sunday, as well as reports of another shooting which took place Tuesday. The first of the shootings occurred about 1 p.m. on Sunday on the 400 block of Comstock Street. Jahmere Crooms, 18, was shot once in the shoulder and taken to Jersey Shore University Medical Center for non-life threatening injuries. The victims last known address was in Asbury Park. Crooms gave city police very few details at the time of the incident, Det./Lt. David Kelso said. As of Wednesday, no arrests had been made in the case but the police are following leads, he said. The motive for the shooting is unknown as of yet. The second incident took place Sunday evening, as shots were fired from outside into the home at 612 Pine Street at 7:46 pm. One of the rounds hit the ceiling in the home and ricocheted into the head of a 19-year-old- man who had been standing in the living room, Kelso said. The young man was treated on-site for non-life threatening injuries. No arrests have been made yet, nor has a motive been determined. A report of shots being fired in the 1300 block of Langford Avenue at about 4 p.m. Tuesday is still being confirmed by police, Kelso said. The Monmouth County
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: APP Got it Right on Keady
On 11/13/2006 at 3:29:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mocked Keady, and plan to do so again, Why? What's the point? for saying that the shooting wasn't criminal, and for making excuses for the shooter. A lack of basketball is not why that teenager got shot. Let it go! Just pouring more oil on troubled waters. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: APP Got it Right on Keady
I could see the confusion at the 3-point line,down 2 and 2 seconds left on the clockshoot, shoot... . . . . . the ball Here's to any program that helps and provides some type of mentoring - be it b-ball, swimming, getting coffee for an attorney, baseball or soccer or reading. If a kid has a choice of drugging with his friends or knocking on Keady's door at 1am for help, let's hope that Keady is sitting home. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Proof or Retraction Mr. DeSeno
Here's the quote of you in the Coaster: The roots of the problem are not criminal, they're social, he said. If you didn't say it, tell the Coaster to retract it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jim Keady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice try. I mocked Keady, and plan to do so again, for saying that the shooting wasn't criminal Mr. DeSeno, Your above statement is a lie. I NEVER said that the shooting was not criminal. Provide clear evidence of me making this statement VERBATIM or retract your comment. You are twisting words and insinuating meaning in a libelous fashion. For the benefit of others on this list, I have included the entire article in question below. The comments that Mr. DeSeno is referencing are as follows. Earlier in the week City Councilman James Keady said the shootings are not just a criminal problem but stem from social issues. (emphasis mine) The roots of the problem are not criminal, they're social, he said. One of the underpinning issues is poverty as well as a sense of hopelessness among young African-American men in the city. Mr. DeSeno, again, you are lying and I expect either proof to the contrary or a retraction of your statement. Peace, James W. Keady THE COASTER The city of Asbury Park is reeling from several shootings in four days, one leaving a teenager on life support at press time. The shootings, two of which took place during the day, all occurred within a two-block radius near the Asbury Park Middle School and Bangs Avenue Elementary School. In the most recent shooting Tylek Pugh, 18, was shot in the head at the corner of Summerfield and Prospect Avenues at about 11 a.m. Wednesday. Board of Education President Robert DiSanto said all public schools in the district would be closed today (Oct. 19). We are very concerned about our students; that is our primary concern, he said. We need to work closer with the police and in that area. It has happened too many times in that area. Police Inspector Christopher Van Buren was at the scene Wednesday afternoon and said Pugh did not live in the neighborhood where he was shot, but was from the general area. Van Buren said he knew Pugh, but did not know if he had prior arrests. I know who he is, said Van Buren. The inspector said he could not confirm that the shooting was gang related, but said, Our guys are looking into it now. The shooting occurred within one block of the Middle School on Bangs Avenue. Several police cars and officers were in the area at the time of the school's dismissal, but Van Buren said students left the school without incident. There were no problems, he said. Two residents at the scene said they did not see anything and a man sitting on a porch outside the house on Prospect Avenue where the shooting took place, said he did not want to comment as he strummed his guitar with his dog nearby. Fire Official Garrett Giberson said the fire department responded to a call at 11:20 a.m. from the county 911 and Asbury Park Police Department that a man had been shot. They went to Summerfield and Prospect Avenue and found the victim laying on the sidewalk with a gunshot wound to the head. They administered CPR and transported the man to Jersey Shore University Medical Center, where the trauma team was awaiting his arrival. Giberson said off-duty firemen were called into work to cover for those sent to the crime scene. Deputy Mayor Jim Bruno said he did not know whether the shooting was gang related. But gangs have their own justice system and they don't help the authorities when there are shootings, he said. The victims should help the police but they don't and that's a big problem. They get mad and then they get even. This is the time to act, not react. Whatever the deputy chief thinks he needs, the council will be there to support him. Wednesday's shooting was at least the third and possibly the fourth since Sunday. Asbury Park Police and the Monmouth County Prosecutors Office are investigating two shootings which occurred in the city on Sunday, as well as reports of another shooting which took place Tuesday. The first of the shootings occurred about 1 p.m. on Sunday on the 400 block of Comstock Street. Jahmere Crooms, 18, was shot once in the shoulder and taken to Jersey Shore University Medical Center for non-life threatening injuries. The victims last known address was in Asbury Park. Crooms gave city police very few details at the time of the incident, Det./Lt. David Kelso said. As of Wednesday, no arrests had been made in the case but the police are following leads, he said. The motive for the shooting is unknown as of yet. The second incident took place Sunday evening, as shots were fired from outside into the home at 612 Pine Street at 7:46 pm. One of the rounds hit the ceiling in the
[AsburyPark] Re: APP Got it Right on Keady
Dan bought it up. Why not ask him what's the point? By the way, hear from Pallone yet? Tomorrow will be day 5. I may have to put one of those trackers in my column each week like I did for the death of Tillie. It will say: Number of Days Pallone ignores Mario: [Insert number]. On this issue we should be on the same side. Hope you can get past the partisan politics to help me do something good for AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/13/2006 at 3:29:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mocked Keady, and plan to do so again, Why? What's the point? for saying that the shooting wasn't criminal, and for making excuses for the shooter. A lack of basketball is not why that teenager got shot. Let it go! Just pouring more oil on troubled waters. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Copy of fax to Frank Pallone
Thank You! Whenever I see an Upstage Box, it's always empty! Would you believe I go over to the Berkeley to get it? Thanks for the link. Love your magazine. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I'm busting my side, laughing. Can't type anymore! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: Rather than go down that fool's path once more of trying to get a straight answer from justifiedright (and putting this group through the tedium in the process), I faxed the following inquiry to Pallone's offices. You should have also asked him if HE knows where Barney Frank where his ring. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re:City Council Meetings Tonight
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: APP Got it Right on Keady
On 11/13/2006 at 5:24:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan bought it up. Why not ask him what's the point? Evades the question? What's the point? Is this a vendetta? And is it yours alone? By the way, hear from Pallone yet? Tomorrow will be day 5. Changes the subject. (BTW: Asbury Park Press on Pallone: "He has an outstanding record on protecting the environment and advocating for affordable health care." Both concerns of mine. Number of Days Pallone ignores Mario: [Insert number]. Cute, but no cigar. Trivializes the seriousness of the charges you're making. (Should I post the number of days since you haven't made good on that $100 bet? Or the number of days no one has been able to claim the $200 I offered?) On this issue we should be on the same side. Hope you can get past the partisan politics to help me do something good for AP. How is your interminable sniping at Keady "something good for AP"? In many a previous communications, I named Republicans I admire. You've never reciprocated. The list of questions posed that you never answer grows. To my list of epithets for you I'll add "Ignominious Ignorer" although my favorite is the Bushism: "Pit Bull on the pant leg of opportunity." Let it go. For the good of Asbury Park. Original Message Subj: [AsburyPark] Re: APP Got it Right on Keady Date: 11/13/2006 5:24:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent on: Dan bought it up.Why not ask him what's the point?By the way, hear from Pallone yet? Tomorrow will be day 5. I may have to put one of those trackers in my column each week like I did for the death of Tillie. It will say:Number of Days Pallone ignores Mario: [Insert number].On this issue we should be on the same side. Hope you can get past the partisan politics to help me do something good for AP.--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]. wrote: On 11/13/2006 at 3:29:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, justifiedright@... wrote: I mocked Keady, and plan to do so again, Why? What's the point?for saying that the shooting wasn't criminal, and for making excuses for the shooter. A lack of basketball is not why that teenager got shot. Let it go! Just pouring more oil on troubled waters. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Proof or Retraction Mr. DeSeno
Tom, I'm not a huge fan of Mr. Keady but based on your own post below you are clearly and apparently intentionally taking his statement and twisting it to suit your own agenda of attacking him. His statement is in regard to a much broader societal issue and NOT making the statement you claim saying that the shooting wasn't criminal. My past posts on this topic should demonstrate a lack of bias on this issue. All of my posts on the recent statements Mr. Keady has made have been critical of (in my opinion) his lack of understanding of his role as a public servant vs. community activist. That said, I never made stuff up. You clearly have. I didn't think I'd be coming to Mr. Keady's defense, but somehow you have sunk low enough to get me there. If you want to be critical of him do so based on fact. But don't lie. You discredit everything else you have said and your entire point of view. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the quote of you in the Coaster: The roots of the problem are not criminal, they're social, he said. If you didn't say it, tell the Coaster to retract it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jim Keady james.keady@ wrote: Nice try. I mocked Keady, and plan to do so again, for saying that the shooting wasn't criminal Mr. DeSeno, Your above statement is a lie. I NEVER said that the shooting was not criminal. Provide clear evidence of me making this statement VERBATIM or retract your comment. You are twisting words and insinuating meaning in a libelous fashion. For the benefit of others on this list, I have included the entire article in question below. The comments that Mr. DeSeno is referencing are as follows. Earlier in the week City Councilman James Keady said the shootings are not just a criminal problem but stem from social issues. (emphasis mine) The roots of the problem are not criminal, they're social, he said. One of the underpinning issues is poverty as well as a sense of hopelessness among young African-American men in the city. Mr. DeSeno, again, you are lying and I expect either proof to the contrary or a retraction of your statement. Peace, James W. Keady THE COASTER The city of Asbury Park is reeling from several shootings in four days, one leaving a teenager on life support at press time. The shootings, two of which took place during the day, all occurred within a two-block radius near the Asbury Park Middle School and Bangs Avenue Elementary School. In the most recent shooting Tylek Pugh, 18, was shot in the head at the corner of Summerfield and Prospect Avenues at about 11 a.m. Wednesday. Board of Education President Robert DiSanto said all public schools in the district would be closed today (Oct. 19). We are very concerned about our students; that is our primary concern, he said. We need to work closer with the police and in that area. It has happened too many times in that area. Police Inspector Christopher Van Buren was at the scene Wednesday afternoon and said Pugh did not live in the neighborhood where he was shot, but was from the general area. Van Buren said he knew Pugh, but did not know if he had prior arrests. I know who he is, said Van Buren. The inspector said he could not confirm that the shooting was gang related, but said, Our guys are looking into it now. The shooting occurred within one block of the Middle School on Bangs Avenue. Several police cars and officers were in the area at the time of the school's dismissal, but Van Buren said students left the school without incident. There were no problems, he said. Two residents at the scene said they did not see anything and a man sitting on a porch outside the house on Prospect Avenue where the shooting took place, said he did not want to comment as he strummed his guitar with his dog nearby. Fire Official Garrett Giberson said the fire department responded to a call at 11:20 a.m. from the county 911 and Asbury Park Police Department that a man had been shot. They went to Summerfield and Prospect Avenue and found the victim laying on the sidewalk with a gunshot wound to the head. They administered CPR and transported the man to Jersey Shore University Medical Center, where the trauma team was awaiting his arrival. Giberson said off-duty firemen were called into work to cover for those sent to the crime scene. Deputy Mayor Jim Bruno said he did not know whether the shooting was gang related. But gangs have their own justice system and they don't help the authorities when there are shootings, he said. The victims should help the police but they don't and that's a big problem. They get mad and
[AsburyPark] Re: Proof or Retraction Mr. DeSeno
Tom, I'm not a huge fan of Mr. Keady but based on your own post below you are clearly and apparently intentionally taking his statement and twisting it to suit your own agenda of attacking him. His statement is in regard to a much broader societal issue and NOT making the statement you claim saying that the shooting wasn't criminal. My past posts on this topic should demonstrate a lack of bias on this issue. All of my posts on the recent statements Mr. Keady has made have been critical of (in my opinion) his lack of understanding of his role as a public servant vs. community activist. That said, I never made stuff up. You clearly have. I didn't think I'd be coming to Mr. Keady's defense, but somehow you have sunk low enough to get me there. If you want to be critical of him do so based on fact. But don't lie. You discredit everything else you have said and your entire point of view. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the quote of you in the Coaster: The roots of the problem are not criminal, they're social, he said. If you didn't say it, tell the Coaster to retract it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jim Keady james.keady@ wrote: Nice try. I mocked Keady, and plan to do so again, for saying that the shooting wasn't criminal Mr. DeSeno, Your above statement is a lie. I NEVER said that the shooting was not criminal. Provide clear evidence of me making this statement VERBATIM or retract your comment. You are twisting words and insinuating meaning in a libelous fashion. For the benefit of others on this list, I have included the entire article in question below. The comments that Mr. DeSeno is referencing are as follows. Earlier in the week City Councilman James Keady said the shootings are not just a criminal problem but stem from social issues. (emphasis mine) The roots of the problem are not criminal, they're social, he said. One of the underpinning issues is poverty as well as a sense of hopelessness among young African-American men in the city. Mr. DeSeno, again, you are lying and I expect either proof to the contrary or a retraction of your statement. Peace, James W. Keady THE COASTER The city of Asbury Park is reeling from several shootings in four days, one leaving a teenager on life support at press time. The shootings, two of which took place during the day, all occurred within a two-block radius near the Asbury Park Middle School and Bangs Avenue Elementary School. In the most recent shooting Tylek Pugh, 18, was shot in the head at the corner of Summerfield and Prospect Avenues at about 11 a.m. Wednesday. Board of Education President Robert DiSanto said all public schools in the district would be closed today (Oct. 19). We are very concerned about our students; that is our primary concern, he said. We need to work closer with the police and in that area. It has happened too many times in that area. Police Inspector Christopher Van Buren was at the scene Wednesday afternoon and said Pugh did not live in the neighborhood where he was shot, but was from the general area. Van Buren said he knew Pugh, but did not know if he had prior arrests. I know who he is, said Van Buren. The inspector said he could not confirm that the shooting was gang related, but said, Our guys are looking into it now. The shooting occurred within one block of the Middle School on Bangs Avenue. Several police cars and officers were in the area at the time of the school's dismissal, but Van Buren said students left the school without incident. There were no problems, he said. Two residents at the scene said they did not see anything and a man sitting on a porch outside the house on Prospect Avenue where the shooting took place, said he did not want to comment as he strummed his guitar with his dog nearby. Fire Official Garrett Giberson said the fire department responded to a call at 11:20 a.m. from the county 911 and Asbury Park Police Department that a man had been shot. They went to Summerfield and Prospect Avenue and found the victim laying on the sidewalk with a gunshot wound to the head. They administered CPR and transported the man to Jersey Shore University Medical Center, where the trauma team was awaiting his arrival. Giberson said off-duty firemen were called into work to cover for those sent to the crime scene. Deputy Mayor Jim Bruno said he did not know whether the shooting was gang related. But gangs have their own justice system and they don't help the authorities when there are shootings, he said. The victims should help the police but they don't and that's a big problem. They get mad and
[AsburyPark] Re: Proof or Retraction Mr. DeSeno
I agree completely, and I think that if Tommy keeps this up, the only damage that is going to happen is going to be to himself. Jack --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, I'm not a huge fan of Mr. Keady but based on your own post below you are clearly and apparently intentionally taking his statement and twisting it to suit your own agenda of attacking him. His statement is in regard to a much broader societal issue and NOT making the statement you claim saying that the shooting wasn't criminal. My past posts on this topic should demonstrate a lack of bias on this issue. All of my posts on the recent statements Mr. Keady has made have been critical of (in my opinion) his lack of understanding of his role as a public servant vs. community activist. That said, I never made stuff up. You clearly have. I didn't think I'd be coming to Mr. Keady's defense, but somehow you have sunk low enough to get me there. If you want to be critical of him do so based on fact. But don't lie. You discredit everything else you have said and your entire point of view. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Here's the quote of you in the Coaster: The roots of the problem are not criminal, they're social, he said. If you didn't say it, tell the Coaster to retract it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jim Keady james.keady@ wrote: Nice try. I mocked Keady, and plan to do so again, for saying that the shooting wasn't criminal Mr. DeSeno, Your above statement is a lie. I NEVER said that the shooting was not criminal. Provide clear evidence of me making this statement VERBATIM or retract your comment. You are twisting words and insinuating meaning in a libelous fashion. For the benefit of others on this list, I have included the entire article in question below. The comments that Mr. DeSeno is referencing are as follows. Earlier in the week City Councilman James Keady said the shootings are not just a criminal problem but stem from social issues. (emphasis mine) The roots of the problem are not criminal, they're social, he said. One of the underpinning issues is poverty as well as a sense of hopelessness among young African-American men in the city. Mr. DeSeno, again, you are lying and I expect either proof to the contrary or a retraction of your statement. Peace, James W. Keady THE COASTER The city of Asbury Park is reeling from several shootings in four days, one leaving a teenager on life support at press time. The shootings, two of which took place during the day, all occurred within a two-block radius near the Asbury Park Middle School and Bangs Avenue Elementary School. In the most recent shooting Tylek Pugh, 18, was shot in the head at the corner of Summerfield and Prospect Avenues at about 11 a.m. Wednesday. Board of Education President Robert DiSanto said all public schools in the district would be closed today (Oct. 19). We are very concerned about our students; that is our primary concern, he said. We need to work closer with the police and in that area. It has happened too many times in that area. Police Inspector Christopher Van Buren was at the scene Wednesday afternoon and said Pugh did not live in the neighborhood where he was shot, but was from the general area. Van Buren said he knew Pugh, but did not know if he had prior arrests. I know who he is, said Van Buren. The inspector said he could not confirm that the shooting was gang related, but said, Our guys are looking into it now. The shooting occurred within one block of the Middle School on Bangs Avenue. Several police cars and officers were in the area at the time of the school's dismissal, but Van Buren said students left the school without incident. There were no problems, he said. Two residents at the scene said they did not see anything and a man sitting on a porch outside the house on Prospect Avenue where the shooting took place, said he did not want to comment as he strummed his guitar with his dog nearby. Fire Official Garrett Giberson said the fire department responded to a call at 11:20 a.m. from the county 911 and Asbury Park Police Department that a man had been shot. They went to Summerfield and Prospect Avenue and found the victim laying on the sidewalk with a gunshot wound to the head. They administered CPR and transported the man to Jersey Shore University Medical Center, where the trauma team was awaiting his arrival. Giberson said off-duty firemen were
[AsburyPark] Re: APP Got it Right on Keady
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a Springwood Ave Red Comm. They shlould be annoucing dates for Publicic meetings doing with that. But the properties invo;ved are still in court with Konvics estate. living in a bad looking neighborhood only makes things worse. Has there ever been any plans in AP to go places like Springwood and It's called the Spingwood Ave Redevelopment Zone/Plan. It's been over 30 years since that area was to be redeveloped with Konvitz as the developer to build affordable housing. So here youa re today. I think tommy mentioned over 1 year ago that he was on the committee. Neptune is supposed to develop their side to Rt 35... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Proof or Retraction Mr. DeSeno
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, I'm not a huge fan of Mr. Keady but based on your own post below you are clearly and apparently intentionally taking his statement and twisting it to suit your own agenda of attacking him. Nice try again. JK can't escape (and neither can anyone else) that he said the cause of the shootings was NOT CRIMINAL (nothing confusing about not or criminal). This wasn't an offhand remark. To further emphasize his view that the cause here was NOT CRIMINAL, he offered what he thought was the cause it was caused by society. To further emphasize that he thought the cause was NOT CRIMINAL, he even gave a list of things society has done to this poor shooter, to wit: Society has deprived him of recreation and a youth job. That's what JK said. The cause of this shooting was NOT CRIMINAL, but of different causes. You take exception to my repeating that JK said the shootings were not criminal? Suddenly he didn't say it just because I repeated it? That's your problem, not mine. [Not to pull rank as a lawyer, which I always avoid here, but if the cause was not criminal, he couldn't be convicted of a crime. I won't hold JK or anyone else to knowing that technicality]. Let's refute JK's premise: A lack of recreation and a youth job does not CAUSE someone to shoot a teenager in the face. BEING A CRIMINAL causes someone to shoot a teenager in the face. Only a fool would buy into a causation theory between recreation and the cold-bloodedness of murder. This isn't a time for moral equivocation. Make a value judgment. Shooting a teenager in the face is evil and what causes one to have the capability to do that is the heart, mind and soul of a CRIMINAL. The CAUSE here is CRIMINAL, as opposed to NOT CRIMINAL, like JK said. Oh how fortunate the children are to have a shepherd such as he! What message do the teenagers take from JK? Hey, a community leader gave a number of excuses why the shooter did it. We have reasons for doing it, straight from a councilman! JK will make excuses for why we did it! Nothing like putting a little moral equivocation into the minds of children (no way he should lecture in the schools). The better message, from an unwavering voice of human morality would have been, This is a heinous act. Anyone who would shoot a teenager in the face is a criminal (as opposed to NOT CRIMINAL) and that person made the darkest of choices that should never, ever be made. Furious justice and a life in prison awaits him. Certainly not, Poor boy lacked alternatives. Cry for JK all you want. It's nothing personal - his leadership is dangerous, because he's been waiting his whole life to publicly recite nice sounding platitudes, and does so even when they can cause harm. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Proof or Retraction Mr. DeSeno
No, nice try back at you... He is CLEARLY not talking about this individual crime, but the ROOT CAUSE of the crime problems we are facing in AP as a whole. You are overtly taking two words from the entire text and inappropriately spinning it to make it sound like something different than he clearly both said and intended. In fact, the closest anything in the article gets to making the statement you claim is not Jim's words (in quotes - you should recognize these as an attorney) but the writer's words preceeding his quote. A lawyer should not be this sloppy with his facts. The exact text from the article... Earlier in the week City Councilman James Keady said the shootings are not just a criminal problem but stem from social issues. The roots of the problem are not criminal, they're social, he said. One of the underpinning issues is poverty as well as a sense of hopelessness among young African-American men in the city. It's serious stuff, Keady said. As a community, we've really got to begin to address the roots of these issues. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Tom, I'm not a huge fan of Mr. Keady but based on your own post below you are clearly and apparently intentionally taking his statement and twisting it to suit your own agenda of attacking him. Nice try again. JK can't escape (and neither can anyone else) that he said the cause of the shootings was NOT CRIMINAL (nothing confusing about not or criminal). This wasn't an offhand remark. To further emphasize his view that the cause here was NOT CRIMINAL, he offered what he thought was the cause it was caused by society. To further emphasize that he thought the cause was NOT CRIMINAL, he even gave a list of things society has done to this poor shooter, to wit: Society has deprived him of recreation and a youth job. That's what JK said. The cause of this shooting was NOT CRIMINAL, but of different causes. You take exception to my repeating that JK said the shootings were not criminal? Suddenly he didn't say it just because I repeated it? That's your problem, not mine. [Not to pull rank as a lawyer, which I always avoid here, but if the cause was not criminal, he couldn't be convicted of a crime. I won't hold JK or anyone else to knowing that technicality]. Let's refute JK's premise: A lack of recreation and a youth job does not CAUSE someone to shoot a teenager in the face. BEING A CRIMINAL causes someone to shoot a teenager in the face. Only a fool would buy into a causation theory between recreation and the cold-bloodedness of murder. This isn't a time for moral equivocation. Make a value judgment. Shooting a teenager in the face is evil and what causes one to have the capability to do that is the heart, mind and soul of a CRIMINAL. The CAUSE here is CRIMINAL, as opposed to NOT CRIMINAL, like JK said. Oh how fortunate the children are to have a shepherd such as he! What message do the teenagers take from JK? Hey, a community leader gave a number of excuses why the shooter did it. We have reasons for doing it, straight from a councilman! JK will make excuses for why we did it! Nothing like putting a little moral equivocation into the minds of children (no way he should lecture in the schools). The better message, from an unwavering voice of human morality would have been, This is a heinous act. Anyone who would shoot a teenager in the face is a criminal (as opposed to NOT CRIMINAL) and that person made the darkest of choices that should never, ever be made. Furious justice and a life in prison awaits him. Certainly not, Poor boy lacked alternatives. Cry for JK all you want. It's nothing personal - his leadership is dangerous, because he's been waiting his whole life to publicly recite nice sounding platitudes, and does so even when they can cause harm. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Proof or Retraction Mr. DeSeno
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is CLEARLY not talking about this individual crime, but the ROOT CAUSE of the crime problems we are facing in AP as a whole. I searched my post and found the word cause a dozen times, yet here you are suggesting I ignored that issue? JK was there to talk about the cause of the shootings, and that is what he was talking about. In fact, the closest anything in the article gets to making the statement you claim is not Jim's words (in quotes - you should recognize these as an attorney) but the writer's words preceeding his quote. Earlier in the week City Councilman James Keady said the shootings are not just a criminal problem but stem from social issues. The roots of the problem are not criminal, they're social, he said. You are claiming the reporter got it wrong - Jim wasn't talking about the shootings? Let's see JK ask him for a retraction then. This is a very important point and I encourage JK to make it here. Did the reporter get it wrong, JK? One of the underpinning issues is poverty as well as a sense of hopelessness among young African-American men in the city. If JK believes this, and you believe it, then let me see you take JK to task everytime he promotes expanding the size of the impoverished population here. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Proof or Retraction Mr. DeSeno
I don't understand why you are condemming him for pointing out a very real problem in Asbury Park. Earlier in the week City Councilman James Keady said the shootings are not just a criminal problem but stem from social issues. The roots of the problem are not criminal, they're social, he said. Can you possibly deny that there is truth in this? Let's say this was a crime of passion, which it seems to have been. It was over a girl. In a normal community, this would've been resolved by other forms of fighting, but here in Asbury Park, we have cheap guns. We have gangs. We have street justice. That is exactly what JK was talking about. If this were Romeo and Juliet, would it be any different. Substitute poison for a gun. You are putting way too much emphasis into the words rather then the reality. Tommy, I think you are a smart guy, but what you are now doing is going to define you to people who don't know you, and the farther you take it, the more you are going to suffer the damage. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, nice try back at you... He is CLEARLY not talking about this individual crime, but the ROOT CAUSE of the crime problems we are facing in AP as a whole. You are overtly taking two words from the entire text and inappropriately spinning it to make it sound like something different than he clearly both said and intended. In fact, the closest anything in the article gets to making the statement you claim is not Jim's words (in quotes - you should recognize these as an attorney) but the writer's words preceeding his quote. A lawyer should not be this sloppy with his facts. The exact text from the article... Earlier in the week City Councilman James Keady said the shootings are not just a criminal problem but stem from social issues. The roots of the problem are not criminal, they're social, he said. One of the underpinning issues is poverty as well as a sense of hopelessness among young African-American men in the city. It's serious stuff, Keady said. As a community, we've really got to begin to address the roots of these issues. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Tom, I'm not a huge fan of Mr. Keady but based on your own post below you are clearly and apparently intentionally taking his statement and twisting it to suit your own agenda of attacking him. Nice try again. JK can't escape (and neither can anyone else) that he said the cause of the shootings was NOT CRIMINAL (nothing confusing about not or criminal). This wasn't an offhand remark. To further emphasize his view that the cause here was NOT CRIMINAL, he offered what he thought was the cause it was caused by society. To further emphasize that he thought the cause was NOT CRIMINAL, he even gave a list of things society has done to this poor shooter, to wit: Society has deprived him of recreation and a youth job. That's what JK said. The cause of this shooting was NOT CRIMINAL, but of different causes. You take exception to my repeating that JK said the shootings were not criminal? Suddenly he didn't say it just because I repeated it? That's your problem, not mine. [Not to pull rank as a lawyer, which I always avoid here, but if the cause was not criminal, he couldn't be convicted of a crime. I won't hold JK or anyone else to knowing that technicality]. Let's refute JK's premise: A lack of recreation and a youth job does not CAUSE someone to shoot a teenager in the face. BEING A CRIMINAL causes someone to shoot a teenager in the face. Only a fool would buy into a causation theory between recreation and the cold-bloodedness of murder. This isn't a time for moral equivocation. Make a value judgment. Shooting a teenager in the face is evil and what causes one to have the capability to do that is the heart, mind and soul of a CRIMINAL. The CAUSE here is CRIMINAL, as opposed to NOT CRIMINAL, like JK said. Oh how fortunate the children are to have a shepherd such as he! What message do the teenagers take from JK? Hey, a community leader gave a number of excuses why the shooter did it. We have reasons for doing it, straight from a councilman! JK will make excuses for why we did it! Nothing like putting a little moral equivocation into the minds of children (no way he should lecture in the schools). The better message, from an unwavering voice of human morality would have been, This is a heinous act. Anyone who would shoot a teenager in the face is a criminal (as opposed to NOT CRIMINAL) and that person made the darkest of choices that should never, ever be made. Furious justice and a life in prison awaits him. Certainly not, Poor boy
[AsburyPark] Re: Proof or Retraction Mr. DeSeno
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have it your way. It wasn't criminal. Let's all cry for the shooter. Poor fellow! Let's just hope the vicitim's family does see us making excuses for the scumbag. Good grief. I don't understand why you are condemming him for pointing out a very real problem in Asbury Park. Earlier in the week City Councilman James Keady said the shootings are not just a criminal problem but stem from social issues. The roots of the problem are not criminal, they're social, he said. Can you possibly deny that there is truth in this? Let's say this was a crime of passion, which it seems to have been. It was over a girl. In a normal community, this would've been resolved by other forms of fighting, but here in Asbury Park, we have cheap guns. We have gangs. We have street justice. That is exactly what JK was talking about. If this were Romeo and Juliet, would it be any different. Substitute poison for a gun. You are putting way too much emphasis into the words rather then the reality. Tommy, I think you are a smart guy, but what you are now doing is going to define you to people who don't know you, and the farther you take it, the more you are going to suffer the damage. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: No, nice try back at you... He is CLEARLY not talking about this individual crime, but the ROOT CAUSE of the crime problems we are facing in AP as a whole. You are overtly taking two words from the entire text and inappropriately spinning it to make it sound like something different than he clearly both said and intended. In fact, the closest anything in the article gets to making the statement you claim is not Jim's words (in quotes - you should recognize these as an attorney) but the writer's words preceeding his quote. A lawyer should not be this sloppy with his facts. The exact text from the article... Earlier in the week City Councilman James Keady said the shootings are not just a criminal problem but stem from social issues. The roots of the problem are not criminal, they're social, he said. One of the underpinning issues is poverty as well as a sense of hopelessness among young African-American men in the city. It's serious stuff, Keady said. As a community, we've really got to begin to address the roots of these issues. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Tom, I'm not a huge fan of Mr. Keady but based on your own post below you are clearly and apparently intentionally taking his statement and twisting it to suit your own agenda of attacking him. Nice try again. JK can't escape (and neither can anyone else) that he said the cause of the shootings was NOT CRIMINAL (nothing confusing about not or criminal). This wasn't an offhand remark. To further emphasize his view that the cause here was NOT CRIMINAL, he offered what he thought was the cause it was caused by society. To further emphasize that he thought the cause was NOT CRIMINAL, he even gave a list of things society has done to this poor shooter, to wit: Society has deprived him of recreation and a youth job. That's what JK said. The cause of this shooting was NOT CRIMINAL, but of different causes. You take exception to my repeating that JK said the shootings were not criminal? Suddenly he didn't say it just because I repeated it? That's your problem, not mine. [Not to pull rank as a lawyer, which I always avoid here, but if the cause was not criminal, he couldn't be convicted of a crime. I won't hold JK or anyone else to knowing that technicality]. Let's refute JK's premise: A lack of recreation and a youth job does not CAUSE someone to shoot a teenager in the face. BEING A CRIMINAL causes someone to shoot a teenager in the face. Only a fool would buy into a causation theory between recreation and the cold-bloodedness of murder. This isn't a time for moral equivocation. Make a value judgment. Shooting a teenager in the face is evil and what causes one to have the capability to do that is the heart, mind and soul of a CRIMINAL. The CAUSE here is CRIMINAL, as opposed to NOT CRIMINAL, like JK said. Oh how fortunate the children are to have a shepherd such as he! What message do the teenagers take from JK? Hey, a community leader gave a number of excuses why the shooter did it. We have reasons for doing it, straight from a councilman! JK will make excuses for why we did it! Nothing like putting a little moral equivocation into the minds of children (no way he should
[AsburyPark] Re: Target Stores
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan I had seen that before. It's been around a few years. Whole thing is false. The email was sent, but the guy later retracted it all when it turned out all his info was incorrect. Here is the snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/target.asp As an aside, I used to drink Tanqueray, but switched to Beefeaters since the start of the war. Viva la Great Britain. Thanks Tom, I sent it onto to my friend who sent it to me. I drink the vino. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Proof or Retraction Mr. DeSeno
-you're both right, the $1billon in state aid (schools, social programs etc) dumped in AP to solve the problems did not help the shoooter nor the victim in the past 8 nuturing years of their lives. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: City Council Meetings Tonight
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner - What company is running the City's website now that Joe is passed. By the way - what's going on with all the websites Joe was hosting. Mine is down and I don't know who to call. You had called me once about it after Joe's passing. You still da man to see about that? We decided to unplug you. www.justifiedright.com is next. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Tommy is Wrong
Tom is just plain wrong. It doesn't matter what you say or what facts you show him. Despite his claims of neapolitan and sicilian ancestry I am telling you he was stoled out of a cradle in Calabria. Thick-headed in other words. Thank you asburycouple for it not being just us deli- people that see his spin and distortion. Hey Tom, you should rename your column and web site that - Spin Distortion. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tommy is Wrong
Been hoping to hear from you. What was not criminal about the shooting? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom is just plain wrong. It doesn't matter what you say or what facts you show him. Despite his claims of neapolitan and sicilian ancestry I am telling you he was stoled out of a cradle in Calabria. Thick- headed in other words. Thank you asburycouple for it not being just us deli- people that see his spin and distortion. Hey Tom, you should rename your column and web site that - Spin Distortion. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Tonight's Council Meeting
A humble, but long, report of tonight's meeting is available on my site www.asburyradio.com, now. Thank you for reading it. Maureen Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
