Re: [AsburyPark] Happy Repeal Day

2007-12-06 Thread MarioAPNJ
 
In a message dated 12/5/2007 6:37:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

_http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://www.yo_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyuMmyc1Izs) 


 
Happy Repeal Day II   
_http://www.swingercast.com/Danni654/Tequila.wmv_ 
(http://www.swingercast.com/Danni654/Tequila.wmv) 
 



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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP

2007-12-06 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 12/4/2007 7:31:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

This  isn't directed at you Oak, but to some people, several on this 
board,  history is far more sexy if it involves scandal and greed 
and bad guys.  Far too boring if it doesn't; so history gets  
distorted

read the New York Times for proof of  that.
 
or how 'bout that TriCity column?
 
So where do we go for the undistorted truth?  
 
Rush, Coulter and Malkin -- as you've recommended more than once  here?
 
 
 
 
 
 

 



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[AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP

2007-12-06 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So where do we go for the undistorted truth?  

Ask a mermaid or a unicorn if you are looking for something that 
doesn't exist.

I treat news like I'm a juror - I read and watch both sides, 
particularly the advocates. Then I make up my own mind.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Main Street Revitalized by Renovations of Old Theaters

2007-12-06 Thread oakdorf
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 The Barronette would make a nice contemporary church.  Livly worship 
 pentecostal preaching and wonderful family oriented activities.
 
 KB
 


Actually, the Baronet would make a cool theatre.

Someone once thought a porn house would be good.

Leave what it was meant for.

On the tax roll.

There's other options for you





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Bush Freezing Sub-Prime Rates?

2007-12-06 Thread oakdorf

 
 Are we being punished for doing the right thing again?
 
 http://tinyurl.com/yp2oyx



i'm listening to all the bullshut this am.

I'm looking to refi a 9% interest only loan that CJ Bank has been nice enough 
to roll over 
for me for the past 2 years...why woudln't they, even though they don't want to.

So looking to refi this loan. I might of made a good connection at the 
convention 
yesterday. Poor guy - I'm gonna tortue him - Flagstar bank. Amboy for comercial 
is 
running around 7.25.


I'd be much happier if Bush would force all auto loans to be be redued by 4% 
for at risk 
borrowers.

I got f'd on my daughters and my woman's cars recently. Somewhere around 9%. So 
the 
banks don't deserve a dime in relief, because they are more then happy to take 
at risk 
credit for a few extra points. 

That's because I refi'd my house and the dirtbag mortgage brokers shot gun the 
app 
creating inquiries and I'm a nice guy and have several mortgages on several 
houses. So 
thpse are all negatives in little minds and automated banking. 

Credit gets penalized for conducting business.

That's why to do it right, you just have to go as big as you can



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Bush Freezing Sub-Prime Rates?

2007-12-06 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Even though I'm a democrat, I'm thinking of changing parties and
voting for Ron Paul.
 He's  the least media whore of all the candidates, and the one with
the most common 
 sense in my opinion.

You are enamored with the Ron Paul you see. He is a true libertarian.
He would (want to) abolish most government programs. The baby with the
bath water. Kuncinich should be elected simply by virtue of having a
30-year old wife with a pierced tongue. Now that is a First Lady.




 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP

2007-12-06 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 12/4/2007 10:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I just  read the most interesting article in the Law Journal. It was 
written by a  fellow who describes himself as the Self Imposed 
Exiled Something or  Other from APNJ

Well this fellow has discovered a double secret  statute (seen only 
by him and kept hermetically sealed in a mayonnaise jar  on Funk  
Wagnalls' porch) that says sometimes ...Who knew?  

Ridicule is a poor substitute for a counter argument.
 

Now if  I could only get him to share the statute and/or case law 
that supports  his position.


So where are the supporting facts for  our claim below?
 
 
In a message dated 12/4/2007 7:31:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

so  history gets distorted read the New York Times for proof of  that.
?
 
An assertion.



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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: PEE WEE

2007-12-06 Thread MarioAPNJ
 
In a message dated 12/4/2007 2:53:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Easy  cowboy! I was just busting your chops because we're pals. I 
do that to all  my friends. Particularly Werner.

Is there some sort of symbol you can  type in the Internet world to 
let someone know your jabbing them in jest  and not in earnest?


Reminds me of the old saying:
 
When someone says it's not about the money,
 
you know it's the money.



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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP

2007-12-06 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 12/6/2007 7:12:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Ask a  mermaid or a unicorn if you are looking for something that 
doesn't  exist.
Primary sources do exit.

I  treat news like I'm a juror - I read and watch both sides, 
particularly  the advocates. Then I make up my own mind.
If no primary sources are available, then professional analysts or  
journalists with a record for integrity.
 
There are advocates and then there are advocates with hidden agendas,  
advocates who spin, distort, Swift Boat, and use fear and  distractions.



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[AsburyPark] the lights on Broadway

2007-12-06 Thread Traderdube
Taken from the article on theatre restoration... The $850,000 
renovation of the State Theater, which dates to 1916, when it opened as 
the Lyric, was led by Mr. Moore. He coaxed an army of volunteers and 
professional electricians, carpet installers, carpenters and other 
craftsman to execute the project in just six weeks.

Though it was a highly impressive endeavor by an Academy Award-winning 
director in his adopted community, it was not unique. The State is one 
of some two dozen historic movie and performing arts theater 
restorations occurring this year in small cities around the nation, 
according to the League of Historic American Theaters in Baltimore.

Our next mayor, Le Hinge makes the point that Larry Fishman is allowing 
The Baronet to waste away and that is oh so true. Despite repeated calls 
and letters from myself and my partners who helped open the Baronet, not 
only can we not get the rest of our equipment from the theatre, we can't 
even discussing a lease on the theatre so that we can finish what we 
started. The grass roots effort of so many people helped get the Baronet 
going last year. Fishman, and Deputy Mayor Bruno even read into the 
record a letter that plainly stated their devotion to the Arts in Asbury 
and the continuation of the theatre. Fishman, lying all the way, made 
promise after promise before Fasano sold him the theatre, that he would 
allow us to continue running the theatre. Obviously that is not the 
case. Asbury Lanes, The Fast Lane, and The Baronet are a natural and 
real historic Arts District that would be an inexpensive and easy means 
of adding a terrific draw to Asbury Park. Hedwig, pre-Fishman, was 
drawing 300-400 per performance. Independent film premiers sold out the 
theatre pre-Fishman. Once Fishman took over, and we were denied access 
to the building, things went downhill fast. That this is way it is with 
Fishman is no excuse. Fishman had to see that the passion of the people 
to restore the Baronet was overwhelming, but why would he care what the 
people who live work and recreate in AP want. Sadly, the 100 grand we 
sunk into The Baronet goes to waste and Fishman will one day get his way 
and knock down a truly historic and a damned beautiful little theatre.

As for Rev Kev's remark that the theatre  would make a good house of 
worship. That is just what Asbury needs another non-tax paying  entity 
on the blocks. If anyone who wants to can't find a place to pray in 
Asbury Park, they must not really want to pray.

I still hold out hope that Mottolla and MM get control of the Baronet, 
when I broached the historic arts district to him, he expressed interest.


 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: PEE WEE

2007-12-06 Thread MarioAPNJ
 
Very reassuring words to me as a resident.  If I were a local  politician, I 
would welcome such collaboration and reasonable words, even if we  didn't 
agree on everything.
 
In a message dated 12/4/2007 2:44:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Seriously, I am being completely consistent. I speak the truth  -
always, then and now. What did I say about Terry that was not true?  I
asked him to follow through on the Library Square lights and he did.  I
alays liked him. He has a great personality.

And Bruno. Well, I  even liked him even when we were butting heads.

I take nothing back of  what I have said in the past, except in some
instances where it got  personal and I think I even took it back back then.

I never tried to  uncover malfeasance that was not there. I never
suggested anyone did  anything untoward. I gave everyone the benefit of
the doubt. I called it  like I saw it. When I did it was not I that
started the hostilities. Even  you and I kissed and made up.

I guess the only ones I have not made up  with are Big John, Larry and
Aaron. I never said anything that wasn't true  about any of them,
although I think Big John is okay. Larry and Aaron still  suck in my book.

Bruno was kind enough to update me on the game because  I contacted him
when there was a discussion about having a parade for APHS  and Pee Wee
footbal teams. I knew he would be interested and he is the  parade
meister. I gave a large donation to help in the Pee Wee trip and  made
Chetrit an even larger one. Bruno did the right thing.

I have  not gone over to the dark side. Only kidding, I am not
suggesting they are  the dark side.

But unlike a lot of people in this town, I will not be a  prisoner of
the past, and that has nothing to do with preservation which I  am for.

My assessment of how this redevelopment was handled by both  Partners
and the City has not changed. Nor do take back what I think is a  fact,
that the June WRP that was disavowed was the plan and that C-8  could
not be rebuilt without amendment. The disavowal of the real plan  and
its aftermath was shameful. I can say that at the same time as  wanting
and supporting the Esperanza.

But, I am in earnest when I  say that we need to move on. Were mistakes
made? Surely. The voters spoke  in the last election. This is the city
government we have and if it helps  matters, I will work with the
goverment I have. 

I will not be  anyone's blind cheerleader. I can disagree with someone
I support and agree  with someone I don't. I will be no one's enemy. I
will give credit where  credit is due.

And like the Ghost of Tom Joad, I will be ready to say  what is wrong
when I see it. While I will not forget the past, I refuse to  be its
prisoner. Life is too short.


 



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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: PEE WEE

2007-12-06 Thread Jersey Shore John

The Unpology: How Republicans Never Say They're Sorry

In 1997, Seinfeld introduced Americans to the unvitation. The  
unvitation enables the cynical person to seemingly satisfy the  
demands of social etiquette by extending an invitation to an event or  
gathering which they know the recipient will - or must - reject.


As we fast forward to 2007, Americans are witnessing Republicans  
perfect a similar act of social hypocrisy and cynicism: the Unpology.  
Facing recriminations for ethical failings, racist behavior, sexist  
statements or outright criminality, this new generation of Republican  
wrong-doers delivers the facade of apology by uttering obligatory  
words of remorse devoid of actual regret, contrition - or even an  
admission of guilt.


As AmericaBlog notes this morning, Rep. Bill Sali (R-ID) is just the  
latest Republican to offer Americans an unpology that is neither  
heartfelt nor sincere. On August 8th, Sali in an interview with the  
Christian American Family News Network joined CNN's Glenn Beck in  
attacking Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), the first Muslim elected to  
Congress.


We have not only a Hindu prayer being offered in the Senate, we have  
a Muslim member of the House of Representatives now, Keith Ellison  
from Minnesota. Those are changes - and they are not what was  
envisioned by the Founding Fathers.
Despite the Constitution's clear ban on religious tests for office,  
Sali refused to back down on his claim that the Founding Fathers  
fought for principles found in Scripture and that the dangerous  
part is straying from these principles. But August 16th, even Sali  
recognized that propriety demanded the form, if not the actual  
content of, an apology to Ellison:


I think that Keith deserves a call from me - not necessarily because  
of what's in my heart or in my mind, but because of how it's been  
portrayed.
We learned this morning that the Sali unpology was completed with a  
private email to Ellison. As Sali spokesman Wayne Hoffman put it, He  
said that he wanted to make sure that Congressman Ellison understood  
that he meant no harm or disrespect.


Sali's is just the latest example of a specific type of faux  
Republican remorse, the Conditional Unpology. That is, the  
conservative in question is not objectively sorry per se, but wishes  
to expresses a patina of regret only to those who may have been  
offended. Here, contrition is contingent on the perception of  
offense in the eye of the beholder.


The Conditional Unpology has a rich tradition in the recent history  
of Republican cynicism. Virginia Senator George Allen's macaca  
moment provides just one classic example. Refusing to acknowledge  
the racist baggage of his macaca comment, Allen delivered this  
textbook unpology:


Yesterday, I apologized to anyone who may have [been] offended by  
the misinterpretation of my remarks. That was certainly not my  
intent...I never want to embarrass or demean anyone and I apologize  
if my comments offended this young man.
(It is worth noting that President Bush often relies on a cousin of  
the conditional unpology, the conditional eulogy. Bush noted the 2002  
death of Democratic Senator Paul Wellstone by offering the  
conditional comfort, May the good Lord bless those who grieve.)


Allen's pitfall suggests another relative of the conditional  
archetype is the Inadvertent Unpology. In this scenario, the guilty  
Republican claims he merely misspoke, accidentally used the wrong  
words or was unaware of the hidden meanings of terms he casually  
bandied about. Consider for example, the serial tar baby racist  
slurs of Tony Snow, Mitt Romney and John McCain. Snow claimed his  
critics were unfamiliar with the pathways of American culture,  
while Romney spokesman Eric Ferhnstrom insisted his man was unaware  
that some people find the term objectionable and he's sorry if  
anyone's offended. (The closest President Bush came to acknowledging  
error also hinged on a mere linguistic stumble: Using bad language  
like, you know, 'bring them on' was a mistake.)


A third class of feigned GOP admissions of guilt is the  
Transformational Unpology. Here, the miscreant claims that the  
passage of time, tectonic shifts in social norms or some profound  
personal experience has so altered the wrong-doer as to make him now  
incapable of repeating the offense. Take for example the case of  
Trent Lott (R-MS). In the wake of his disastrous 2002 praise for  
legendary segregationist Strom Thurmond, Lott tried (unsuccessfully)  
to keep his Senate Majority Leader post by using the that was then,  
this is now approach on BET. I'm part of the region and the history  
that has not always done what it was supposed to do, Lott said,  
adding I'm now trying to find a way to deal with the understandable  
hurt that I have caused. Unfortunately for Lott, the times are a- 
changin' defense didn't work so well for someone from the land where  
the old times there are not 

Re: [AsburyPark] the lights on Broadway

2007-12-06 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 12/6/2007 8:38:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Our  next mayor, Le Hinge makes the point that Larry Fishman is allowing The  
Baronet to waste away and that is oh so true. 
 
Let me know when the lawn signs are ready
 

Asbury  Lanes, The Fast Lane, and The Baronet are a natural and 
real historic Arts  District that would be an inexpensive and easy means 
of adding a terrific  draw to Asbury Park. Hedwig, pre-Fishman, was 
drawing 300-400 per  performance. Independent film premiers sold out the 
theatre pre-Fishman.  Once Fishman took over, and we were denied access 
to the building, things  went downhill fast. That this is way it is with 
Fishman is no excuse.  Fishman had to see that the passion of the people 
to restore the Baronet  was overwhelming, but why would he care what the 
people who live work and  recreate in AP want. Sadly, the 100 grand we 
sunk into The Baronet goes to  waste and Fishman will one day get his way 
and knock down a truly historic  and a damned beautiful little theatre.
 
Keep hammering away on the above; don't let it fall into a community memory  
hole.  And maybe he won't get his way.
 

As for  Rev Kev's remark that the theatre would make a good house of worship. 
That is  just what Asbury needs another non-tax paying entity on the blocks. 
If anyone  who wants to can't find a place to pray in Asbury Park, they must 
not really  want to pray.
 
Nor do we need any more poor spelling in town. (a livly Barronette?)  



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[AsburyPark] Re: PEE WEE

2007-12-06 Thread justifiedright
What you are actually saying below is that I'm lying to Dan.

Of course, in your usual punkish way, you won't utter the words, 
rather you hide behind innuendo.

Internet tough guy hiding behind his computer.  Meet in the real 
world and call me a liar, sissy.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 12/4/2007 2:53:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Easy  cowboy! I was just busting your chops because we're pals. I 
 do that to all  my friends. Particularly Werner.
 
 Is there some sort of symbol you can  type in the Internet world 
to 
 let someone know your jabbing them in jest  and not in earnest?
 
 
 Reminds me of the old saying:
  
 When someone says it's not about the money,
  
 you know it's the money.
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: the lights on Broadway

2007-12-06 Thread Jack Pitzer
Gee...thanks Dennis.
It kills me to see the theater sitting there rotting away.
There is truly no excuse for having a nicely renovated classic theater just 
sitting there 
vacant.
And to think that Fishman doesn't even have the basic decency to let you get 
your stuff 
out of there is ridiculous

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Taken from the article on theatre restoration... The $850,000 
 renovation of the State Theater, which dates to 1916, when it opened as 
 the Lyric, was led by Mr. Moore. He coaxed an army of volunteers and 
 professional electricians, carpet installers, carpenters and other 
 craftsman to execute the project in just six weeks.
 
 Though it was a highly impressive endeavor by an Academy Award-winning 
 director in his adopted community, it was not unique. The State is one 
 of some two dozen historic movie and performing arts theater 
 restorations occurring this year in small cities around the nation, 
 according to the League of Historic American Theaters in Baltimore.
 
 Our next mayor, Le Hinge makes the point that Larry Fishman is allowing 
 The Baronet to waste away and that is oh so true. Despite repeated calls 
 and letters from myself and my partners who helped open the Baronet, not 
 only can we not get the rest of our equipment from the theatre, we can't 
 even discussing a lease on the theatre so that we can finish what we 
 started. The grass roots effort of so many people helped get the Baronet 
 going last year. Fishman, and Deputy Mayor Bruno even read into the 
 record a letter that plainly stated their devotion to the Arts in Asbury 
 and the continuation of the theatre. Fishman, lying all the way, made 
 promise after promise before Fasano sold him the theatre, that he would 
 allow us to continue running the theatre. Obviously that is not the 
 case. Asbury Lanes, The Fast Lane, and The Baronet are a natural and 
 real historic Arts District that would be an inexpensive and easy means 
 of adding a terrific draw to Asbury Park. Hedwig, pre-Fishman, was 
 drawing 300-400 per performance. Independent film premiers sold out the 
 theatre pre-Fishman. Once Fishman took over, and we were denied access 
 to the building, things went downhill fast. That this is way it is with 
 Fishman is no excuse. Fishman had to see that the passion of the people 
 to restore the Baronet was overwhelming, but why would he care what the 
 people who live work and recreate in AP want. Sadly, the 100 grand we 
 sunk into The Baronet goes to waste and Fishman will one day get his way 
 and knock down a truly historic and a damned beautiful little theatre.
 
 As for Rev Kev's remark that the theatre  would make a good house of 
 worship. That is just what Asbury needs another non-tax paying  entity 
 on the blocks. If anyone who wants to can't find a place to pray in 
 Asbury Park, they must not really want to pray.
 
 I still hold out hope that Mottolla and MM get control of the Baronet, 
 when I broached the historic arts district to him, he expressed interest.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: the lights on Broadway

2007-12-06 Thread Jack Pitzer
Gee...thanks Dennis.
It kills me to see the theater sitting there rotting away.
There is truly no excuse for having a nicely renovated classic theater just 
sitting there 
vacant.
And to think that Fishman doesn't even have the basic decency to let you get 
your stuff 
out of there is ridiculous

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Taken from the article on theatre restoration... The $850,000 
 renovation of the State Theater, which dates to 1916, when it opened as 
 the Lyric, was led by Mr. Moore. He coaxed an army of volunteers and 
 professional electricians, carpet installers, carpenters and other 
 craftsman to execute the project in just six weeks.
 
 Though it was a highly impressive endeavor by an Academy Award-winning 
 director in his adopted community, it was not unique. The State is one 
 of some two dozen historic movie and performing arts theater 
 restorations occurring this year in small cities around the nation, 
 according to the League of Historic American Theaters in Baltimore.
 
 Our next mayor, Le Hinge makes the point that Larry Fishman is allowing 
 The Baronet to waste away and that is oh so true. Despite repeated calls 
 and letters from myself and my partners who helped open the Baronet, not 
 only can we not get the rest of our equipment from the theatre, we can't 
 even discussing a lease on the theatre so that we can finish what we 
 started. The grass roots effort of so many people helped get the Baronet 
 going last year. Fishman, and Deputy Mayor Bruno even read into the 
 record a letter that plainly stated their devotion to the Arts in Asbury 
 and the continuation of the theatre. Fishman, lying all the way, made 
 promise after promise before Fasano sold him the theatre, that he would 
 allow us to continue running the theatre. Obviously that is not the 
 case. Asbury Lanes, The Fast Lane, and The Baronet are a natural and 
 real historic Arts District that would be an inexpensive and easy means 
 of adding a terrific draw to Asbury Park. Hedwig, pre-Fishman, was 
 drawing 300-400 per performance. Independent film premiers sold out the 
 theatre pre-Fishman. Once Fishman took over, and we were denied access 
 to the building, things went downhill fast. That this is way it is with 
 Fishman is no excuse. Fishman had to see that the passion of the people 
 to restore the Baronet was overwhelming, but why would he care what the 
 people who live work and recreate in AP want. Sadly, the 100 grand we 
 sunk into The Baronet goes to waste and Fishman will one day get his way 
 and knock down a truly historic and a damned beautiful little theatre.
 
 As for Rev Kev's remark that the theatre  would make a good house of 
 worship. That is just what Asbury needs another non-tax paying  entity 
 on the blocks. If anyone who wants to can't find a place to pray in 
 Asbury Park, they must not really want to pray.
 
 I still hold out hope that Mottolla and MM get control of the Baronet, 
 when I broached the historic arts district to him, he expressed interest.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Happy Repeal Day

2007-12-06 Thread 2fine4u
Now THAT, was something different!  The smoking police, plastic bag
police, fois gras police, sagging pants police, lawn darts police,
yada, yada, yada!  How much you wanna bet, that there will be a sex
on a certain day, police?  An only two kids, police?  A cop in
every home, just to make sure, police? And on and on!

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 _http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://www.yo_ 
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyuMmyc1Izs) 
 
 
  
 Happy Repeal Day II   
 _http://www.swingercast.com/Danni654/Tequila.wmv_
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[AsburyPark] Re: Bush Freezing Sub-Prime Rates?

2007-12-06 Thread 2fine4u
Gabrielle,
If I had to vote Republican, it would be for Chuck Hagel.  From the
ravages of this administration, he is the only one holding meaningful
dialogue, with the Democrats.  A great ticket would be Hagel and
Obama!  I like Dennis Kucinich as much as anyone and if Obama gets the
Democrat nod, I would hope he'd consider Kucinich, as VP.  Neither one
has a personal agenda, except to rescue America, from the demons and
thieves running it now.

Rome fell and America is racing to her demise, now!  They claim
History runs in cycles and all great dynasties fall, eventually.  A
country built, (they say), on belief in God, are practicing hypocrisy,
of the WORST kind.  Many pilgrims, came here for religious freedom,
only to kill off the natives, that were already here!  They are still
held captive on the longest concentration camps in America; the
reservations.

When the Louisiana Purchase occurred, America saw it as their
Manifest Destiny, to inhabit the entire continent, from sea to
shining sea, and they have!  If you thought Nixon, was the most
secretive and corrupt President, he's looking awfully good to me, now!
There was never any intention, on the South's or North's part, to free
anyone!  See the Indians.  There will always be an underclass, in this
country!  Someone has to work in the sweat factories, do the grunt
work in the fields and be a football for the majority, that still
believes in that sort of thing.

Congress is the ruling class, we are the so-called middle-class and
the Mexicans and convicted felons, are the new slavery.  I don't
call for the overthrow of our government, but I say kick them ALL out,
erase the slate and start over!  Monmouth County, should have shown us
that!  We are the mosted hated country, in the world.  They don't hate
Americans,  they hate our policies.  I pray that the soldiers, sailors
and marines, come home.  They have served 2 and 3 deployments.  Enough
is enough and those in power, who wear their little flags, (made in
China), in their lapels, ought to put their bodies, where their
mouths, are.  I hear that there is a movement by Washington, Canada
and Mexico, to make the North American Continent, all one, without
borders.  Saw a documentary about it, on the Sundance Channel.  Very
interesting and possible, without the consent of the people, or the
Constitution.

After this regime, anything is possible!  Bill's wife, is a
politician, just like Bill!

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 got what you deserve for supporting a criminal and a liar is a
 leap...a pretty big one.  you have lots of simple democrats on
 estrogen in your life?
 
 ron paul is looking decent to me...the only one so far to support the
 american freedom agenda act.  i love kucinich, nader will always be a
 man of incredible intelligence and integrity to me, though his gifts
 have already been given and denied.  
 
 we are a long way from a president who will truly serve, and it's our
 fault.  we watch too much tv, have forgotten what it is to be a
 patriot...most think it means following and bowing to power...we are
 greedy and therefore allow greed in our leaders...on and on.   we
 truly need to take back our beautiful country...no one person can do
 that or should be expected to.   i feel my ancestors weeping in my
 bones.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP

2007-12-06 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 So where are the supporting facts for  our claim below?
  
  
 In a message dated 12/4/2007 7:31:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 so  history gets distorted read the New York Times for proof 
of  that.
 ?

Jayson. Blair.  Could say more - don't need to.



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: PEE WEE

2007-12-06 Thread MarioAPNJ
 
In a message dated 12/6/2007 9:17:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Of  course, in your usual punkish way, you won't utter the words, 
rather you  hide behind innuendo.

Internet tough guy hiding behind his computer.  Meet in the real 
world and call me a liar, sissy.


The above says more about you than it does me.



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[AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP

2007-12-06 Thread justifiedright
Michael Finkel.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 12/6/2007 9:14:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Jayson. Blair. Could say more - don't need  to.
 
 
 
 You'd need more than one liners in order to disparage a  company 
 internationally recognized as a newspaper of record.  But  don't 
bother
  
 Jayson Blair was an unethical reporter and he was fired when his 
reports  
 were found to be falsified.
 Judith Miller's reporting made national headlines when she 
foolishly fell  
 for leaks from the White House.  That WH then tried to lend 
credibility to  its 
 misinformation by quoting the NYT.  
  
 The Times, true to its professionalism, established a public 
editor and  
 ombudsman to deal with such issues, and to their credit issued an 
apology for  not 
 vetting WH info during the lead up to the Iraq war.
  
 No comparison with Novak, Coulter, Rove, Rush, Malkin, or any of 
Rupert's  
 propaganda machines.
  
  
 
 
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP

2007-12-06 Thread MarioAPNJ
 
In a message dated 12/6/2007 9:14:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Jayson. Blair. Could say more - don't need  to.



You'd need more than one liners in order to disparage a  company 
internationally recognized as a newspaper of record.  But  don't bother
 
Jayson Blair was an unethical reporter and he was fired when his reports  
were found to be falsified.
Judith Miller's reporting made national headlines when she foolishly fell  
for leaks from the White House.  That WH then tried to lend credibility to  its 
misinformation by quoting the NYT.  
 
The Times, true to its professionalism, established a public editor and  
ombudsman to deal with such issues, and to their credit issued an apology for  
not 
vetting WH info during the lead up to the Iraq war.
 
No comparison with Novak, Coulter, Rove, Rush, Malkin, or any of Rupert's  
propaganda machines.
 
 



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[AsburyPark] Re: PEE WEE

2007-12-06 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 12/6/2007 9:17:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Of  course, in your usual punkish way, you won't utter the words, 
 rather you  hide behind innuendo.
 
 Internet tough guy hiding behind his computer.  Meet in the real 
 world and call me a liar, sissy.
 
 
 The above says more about you than it does me.

Damn right it does.



 
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[AsburyPark] Recent condo conversion burns down on 7th Ave

2007-12-06 Thread rkgsx
http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071206/NEWS/71206002

I was in this building over the summer.  It was the first cheap condo 
conversion I had seen that had been done post redevelopment beginning.  
No high fixtures or appliances, etc.  The electrical looked as though 
it hadn't been fully updated.

Someone is going to have a chance to start from the ground up now.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: PEE WEE

2007-12-06 Thread dfsavgny
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Meet in the real 
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Why didn't you just call him a fag?

Come on Tom, you are better than this.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Recent condo conversion burns down on 7th Ave

2007-12-06 Thread Paul Vail
This was a truly awful condo conversion.  Probably the worst one I 
had seen in five years of real estate in Asbury Park.

Nine units in this building were way too many to begin with.  The 
original structure was probably a single family home which became a 
hotel/boarding house which became slum commercial apartment building 
which became a condo.  There are many such buildings in Asbury 
Park which are likely to be condo'ed in just the same way.

It is the state, not the city, where condo plans are filed and 
approved.  How did this plan get approved?  How did these units get 
CO's from the city?

There are a lot of questions that need answering.  There are a lot 
of changes that need to be made to the condo conversion process.  
This should never have happened.

There is a condo building on the west side of the Arlington 
Condominiums.  These were identical buildings at one time.  The 
Arlington was a beautiful conversion.  Wonderful layouts, safe, and 
well built.  The one to the west of it in a bonfire waiting to 
happen.  God forbid it does burn, the residents there are not likely 
to be as lucky.





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AID=/20071206/NEWS/71206002
 
 I was in this building over the summer.  It was the first cheap 
condo 
 conversion I had seen that had been done post redevelopment 
beginning.  
 No high fixtures or appliances, etc.  The electrical looked as 
though 
 it hadn't been fully updated.
 
 Someone is going to have a chance to start from the ground up now.





 
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[AsburyPark] I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread dfsavgny
Wouldn't one of these look good in AP. I bet we had some beauties in
the past.

http://www.oh-diners.com/divers/diners_for_sale.htm



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread Jack Pitzer
I believe the Yellow Door pet store used to be a diner many years ago.
I'd love to see a classic diner in our city.
Every once in awhile I need to feed my love of diners by making a
visit to the Roadside Diner near Englishtown Auction.

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 Wouldn't one of these look good in AP. I bet we had some beauties in
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 http://www.oh-diners.com/divers/diners_for_sale.htm





 
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[AsburyPark] Property Taxes should be declared unconstitutional

2007-12-06 Thread Kevin Brown
after all you buy the asset with monies after they have been taxed.  To 
tax what you buy with money that has already been taxed is wrong!

Death to Property tax.

Of course this would mean ending the over 600 school boards and 567 
Municipal governments.  New Jersey has more people working for the 
State than any other industry.

we need a New Jersey tea party!

Kevin Brown
The remarks and opinions are not necessarily anyone else's but mine!



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread arcman210
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wouldn't one of these look good in AP. I bet we had some beauties in
 the past.
 
 http://www.oh-diners.com/divers/diners_for_sale.htm


Agreed 100%. How about in place of the Metropolitan Hotel?? (just 
kidding!)

But in all seriousness, a diner like that would definately be perfect 
for Asbury Park.  Am I crazy if I throw out the idea of putting one on 
the boardwalk? Maybe in the spot for the Second Avenue Pavilion?
Hey, Hojo's worked for the longest time.  

Plus I think it would be a truly unique Jersey Shore experience if you 
could sit in a streamline diner on a boardwalk and eat a pork roll, 
egg, and cheese sandwich... while listening to some Bruce on a jukebox, 
and be wherelse but Asbury Park! (Oh how I love to dream...)



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread arcman210
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 Every once in awhile I need to feed my love of diners by making a
 visit to the Roadside Diner near Englishtown Auction.

Terrific diner!  Good food, good atmosphere, everything you expect from 
a diner.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread dfsavgny
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 I believe the Yellow Door pet store used to be a diner many years ago.
 I'd love to see a classic diner in our city.
 Every once in awhile I need to feed my love of diners by making a
 visit to the Roadside Diner near Englishtown Auction.

here s another link

http://www.americandinermuseum.org/site/index.php

Coincidently, it appears that back in the day, the biggest diner
manufacturers were in NJ.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: PEE WEE

2007-12-06 Thread justifiedright
Dan those two words aren't synonyms.  I've never been told that the 
word sissy has been usurped by the gay community.  To me a sissy is 
someone who postures as a tough guy and then shrinks when challenged.  
It has zero to do with sexual orientation. 

In those posts we had yesterday, I said I was playfully ribbing you.  
You said I was ribbing you.  I then adopted the moniker of Blind 
Cheerleader from your post to be self-depricating and because I 
thought it was funny.

Then he shows up and calls me a liar.  Out of nowhere.  Unprovoked.  
Apropos of nothing.  A personal attack, and a damned vicious one to 
boot.

Do you have anything to say to him about that?  If you don't, I'm not 
going to consider anything you say to me about this, because you 
aren't being even handed if you don't have something to say to him.

In fact, to nip it in the bud from turning into a full scale flame 
war, everyone should say something to him, because him calling me a 
liar was completely unprovoked and came out of nowhere.


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 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
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 Meet in the real 
  world and call me a liar, sissy.
 
 Why didn't you just call him a fag?
 
 Come on Tom, you are better than this.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread dfsavgny
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 Am I crazy if I throw out the idea of putting one on 
 the boardwalk? Maybe in the spot for the Second Avenue Pavilion?
 Hey, Hojo's worked for the longest time.  


I don't think its so crazy but you have HoJo's already and that great
architecture should be preserved. It could work in most places in AP.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: PEE WEE

2007-12-06 Thread justifiedright
Bull Shit.  You made a post just about me.  No begging off with a 
post about me and him.

He deserves one just about him.  I didn't attack him out of nowhere.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
 justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  Dan those two words aren't synonyms.  I've never been told that 
the 
  word sissy has been usurped by the gay community.  To me a 
sissy is 
  someone who postures as a tough guy and then shrinks when 
challenged.  
  It has zero to do with sexual orientation. 
 
 
 I am going to let it drop because I do not want this to become a
 battle - but I think you are wrong about the word sissy. Just think
 about it. But in any event, the both of you should just let it drop
 and move on.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: PEE WEE

2007-12-06 Thread theshortsalepro
Sissy Bars.  Could be Georgies, or on the back of a Harley.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread Jack Pitzer
Some of the classic diners built here were lovingly restored and shipped to a 
few places in 
Europe. I ate in one once in Germany, Berlin I believe, and except for the 
accents all 
around me, it felt just like being home.
Even more odd was the Denny's in Tokyo. Weird to see sushi and pancakes on the 
same 
menu.

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 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  I believe the Yellow Door pet store used to be a diner many years ago.
  I'd love to see a classic diner in our city.
  Every once in awhile I need to feed my love of diners by making a
  visit to the Roadside Diner near Englishtown Auction.
 
 here s another link
 
 http://www.americandinermuseum.org/site/index.php
 
 Coincidently, it appears that back in the day, the biggest diner
 manufacturers were in NJ.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread Jack Pitzer
Some of the classic diners built here were lovingly restored and shipped to a 
few places in 
Europe. I ate in one once in Germany, Berlin I believe, and except for the 
accents all 
around me, it felt just like being home.
Even more odd was the Denny's in Tokyo. Weird to see sushi and pancakes on the 
same 
menu.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  I believe the Yellow Door pet store used to be a diner many years ago.
  I'd love to see a classic diner in our city.
  Every once in awhile I need to feed my love of diners by making a
  visit to the Roadside Diner near Englishtown Auction.
 
 here s another link
 
 http://www.americandinermuseum.org/site/index.php
 
 Coincidently, it appears that back in the day, the biggest diner
 manufacturers were in NJ.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread Jack Pitzer
A classic diner located where The Met is (someday to be was) would be quite 
conveniently 
located for me :)
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 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote:
  Am I crazy if I throw out the idea of putting one on 
  the boardwalk? Maybe in the spot for the Second Avenue Pavilion?
  Hey, Hojo's worked for the longest time.  
 
 
 I don't think its so crazy but you have HoJo's already and that great
 architecture should be preserved. It could work in most places in AP.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread Jack Pitzer
You know what would be really amazing and successful in AP?
A House of Blues done in the classic AP Boardwalk style.
I've had the good fortune to have visited and worked at every House of Blues in 
America, 
and they are all great, unique venues...plus they have pretty decent food.

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 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote:
 
  I don't think its so crazy but you have HoJo's already and that great
  architecture should be preserved. It could work in most places in AP.
 
 
 That building is perfect for a diner or similar type of establishment.  
 I'm happy now though that a sucessful restaruant is using the building 
 and bringing life into it (at least that portion of it).  Hopefully one 
 day down the road, it will become a diner of some sort but for now its 
 really great to see the building with life.
 
 The Hojo's style of architecture from the 50's and 60's, known as Doo-
 Wop or sometimes Googie style, is personally one of my favorites. I 
 feel like its very underrated and especially underrepresented in terms 
 of historic preservation (see: Wildwoods, and the extinction of their 
 historic Doo-Wop motel district).






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread Jack Pitzer
You know what would be really amazing and successful in AP?
A House of Blues done in the classic AP Boardwalk style.
I've had the good fortune to have visited and worked at every House of Blues in 
America, 
and they are all great, unique venues...plus they have pretty decent food.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote:
 
  I don't think its so crazy but you have HoJo's already and that great
  architecture should be preserved. It could work in most places in AP.
 
 
 That building is perfect for a diner or similar type of establishment.  
 I'm happy now though that a sucessful restaruant is using the building 
 and bringing life into it (at least that portion of it).  Hopefully one 
 day down the road, it will become a diner of some sort but for now its 
 really great to see the building with life.
 
 The Hojo's style of architecture from the 50's and 60's, known as Doo-
 Wop or sometimes Googie style, is personally one of my favorites. I 
 feel like its very underrated and especially underrepresented in terms 
 of historic preservation (see: Wildwoods, and the extinction of their 
 historic Doo-Wop motel district).






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread arcman210
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 You know what would be really amazing and successful in AP?
 A House of Blues done in the classic AP Boardwalk style.

Classic AP boardwalk style aka a rebuilt Casino arena.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: PEE WEE

2007-12-06 Thread theshortsalepro
I thought a sissy bar was on a Harley, not a social club.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread dfsavgny
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 You know what would be really amazing and successful in AP?
 A House of Blues done in the classic AP Boardwalk style.
 I've had the good fortune to have visited and worked at every House
of Blues in America, 
 and they are all great, unique venues...plus they have pretty decent
food.


That is a very distinct possibility according to the rumor mill




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread oakdorf

 I don't think its so crazy but you have HoJo's already and that 
great
 architecture should be preserved. It could work in most places in 
AP.


Dan types faster... you have the HoJo.

How come nobody complained about the Ho in HoJo?

AP actually had a few diners. The Classic Asbury Diner sat on the 
corner of Asbury and Main, current home to the M. County Prosecutor 
which was a Rite-Aid before Rite built their ugly building in place 
of the Diner. See the Bruce/Dine Story someone sent me: 
http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/mail/mail19.htm

There was also a diner at the corner of 2nd and Kingsley. I almost 
purchased that back in 1980 (roughly) from Sam Vaccaro (HV's 
brother). It was a concrete block building - but a diner. Somewhere I 
have my drawings of it. The building had about 8 feet of water in the 
basement and was a wreck. Good thing somethings never work out.

The boardwalk had diners as well - Next to Hojos was the FlamePit - 
with a diner menu. I know I worked there. Also Convention Hall and 
Casino both had coffee shops - diners. 

Go to Wildwood, they have the Doo-Wop Diner on the boardwalk. Staff 
dressed like Happy Days...black/white tiles and some neon lights.

It's pretty easy to put together a facade (fakeade) to recreate the 
past. Much cooler to bring in the real thing.

Here's an idea - bring back the carousel in the casino and recreate a 
diner as part of the attraction inside The Carousel Diner . 
Please don't go running off with this real great idea







 
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[AsburyPark] I Smell A (Big) Rat

2007-12-06 Thread dfsavgny
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SWAMPING JERSEY  By TIM PERONE  
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December 6, 2007 -- Giant rodents are about to take over New Jersey!

And even if the Garden State might not look any different, it has some
officials worried about the ugly, 20-pound nutria which have made their
way here from points south of the Mason-Dixon line.

The furry rodent is widely considered one of the most damaging creatures
to marshland ecosystems - which, of course, would make New Jersey the
critter's spiritual home.

I spotted it in Lower Alloway Township, Oct. 29, state Division of
Fish and Wildlife biologist Andrew Burnett told The Star-Ledger of
Newark.

The animal was swimming across Alloway Creek approximately 150 feet
from my position.

For decades, the nutria have slowly made their way up the Eastern
Sseaboard. It was first recorded in large numbers in Delaware and
Maryland in the 1980s

And now, the first has been spotted in Jersey.

It's a very large rodent, said Leonard Douglen, executive director of
the New Jersey Pest Management Association.

As long as we don't allow the population to grow, we can eradicate them
no matter how big they are.

The rodents - which measure as long as 24 inches from nose to tail - can
kill an ecosystem by evicting current tenants like waterfowl, crabs and
fish.

Douglen said that if the nutria invade New Jersey in large numbers, he
and other pest-control warriors will have to take them out, one at a
time.

We'd probably trap them, wherever there are sightings. We'd have to set
traps in those areas, he told The Post last night.

Just because a new species comes around doesn't mean you reinvent the
wheel.

The nutria, as big as most dogs and resembling a beaver, has an average
life span of about four years in the wild.

The South American rodent, with its fine fur, was once bred for their
pelts in the late 19th century and in the first half of the 20th
century.

As nutria farms popped up in the South and Gulf Coast regions, so did
feral populations of the big, ugly rodents.

The most fierce battles against the nutria have been waged on Maryland's
Eastern Shore, where state officials want to protect their precious
Chesapeake Bay.

The Blackwater National Wildlife Refuge in Maryland has been ground zero
of the war against the nutria, which has devoured about 7,000 acres of
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread Jack Pitzer
If that happens, I guarantee that I will become the house sound guy there.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  You know what would be really amazing and successful in AP?
  A House of Blues done in the classic AP Boardwalk style.
  I've had the good fortune to have visited and worked at every House
 of Blues in America, 
  and they are all great, unique venues...plus they have pretty decent
 food.
 
 
 That is a very distinct possibility according to the rumor mill






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread oakdorf
shouldn't have chased all the greeks out of town. 

If I had a spot for a diner, I'd pick up the phone right now and sell 
it. Then do it again and again. I'd retire in a day.

I forgot about Michael's restaraunt. That was a diner in disguise.

YOu don't want to see a Johnny Rockets on the BW either. 





 
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[AsburyPark] Law Order Cookman Avenue

2007-12-06 Thread Traderdube
Just so ya' know, I jab in jest.

So, just like the recycled plots used over and over again on LO, here 
comes the newest season of mario vs. Tommie, aka, the Teacher on the 
Right.

history is far more sexy Ask a mermaid or a unicorn kept hermetically 
sealed in a mayonnaise jar Then I make up my own mind.so history gets 
distorted in order to disparage Michael Finkel. Christmas every year 
more than two billion pounds of local programming remind me of this 
conversation about rumors  you've recommended more than once  that 
doesn't exist..  Read the New York Times for proof watch both sides  
that says sometimes Could say more for doing the right thing from Texas 
with $100 million plus critical thinking.people  on this board  go for 
the undistorted Other from APNJ. 


 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
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 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
 
 Oak, did you work with my sisters Debbie or Marianne?  I think they 
 both worked there.

Were they twins or real close in age?? I don't recall.
 
 Was that owned by the Aronis family?

No - Howie Heiss and Ed Padness - owned the waffle house as well.
 
 What was the place we used to call Taylor Pork Roll because of 
the 
 prominent sign that said that.  Was that Flame Pit or a different 
 place?


That was the Flame Pit/Taylor Pork Roll in the 5th ave Pav.

Open almost all year round with all the shows in CH - ceramic, boat, 
rec, restaraunt, etc etc.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The boardwalk had diners as well - Next to Hojos was the 
FlamePit - 
 with a diner menu. I know I worked there. 

Oak, did you work with my sisters Debbie or Marianne?  I think they 
both worked there.

Was that owned by the Aronis family?

What was the place we used to call Taylor Pork Roll because of the 
prominent sign that said that.  Was that Flame Pit or a different 
place?



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Law Order Cookman Avenue

2007-12-06 Thread justifiedright
That's hysterical!  How'd you do that?


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just so ya' know, I jab in jest.
 
 So, just like the recycled plots used over and over again on LO, 
here 
 comes the newest season of mario vs. Tommie, aka, the Teacher on 
the 
 Right.
 
 history is far more sexy Ask a mermaid or a unicorn kept 
hermetically 
 sealed in a mayonnaise jar Then I make up my own mind.so history 
gets 
 distorted in order to disparage Michael Finkel. Christmas every 
year 
 more than two billion pounds of local programming remind me of 
this 
 conversation about rumors  you've recommended more than once  that 
 doesn't exist..  Read the New York Times for proof watch both 
sides  
 that says sometimes Could say more for doing the right thing from 
Texas 
 with $100 million plus critical thinking.people  on this board  go 
for 
 the undistorted Other from APNJ.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread justifiedright
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 Were they twins or real close in age?? I don't recall.

Close in age.  50 and 49 right now.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread oakdorf
diner at 2nd/3rd:
http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/cards/c12.htm

See Jerry's Tavern CLick to enlarge



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread Jack Pitzer
Damn that's cool. I wish we still had an AP that looked like that.

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 diner at 2nd/3rd:
 http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/cards/c12.htm
 
 See Jerry's Tavern CLick to enlarge






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread Jack Pitzer
Is it a typo on that Allman Brothers ticket, or was it really called Sunshine 
In

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  Damn that's cool. I wish we still had an AP that looked like that.
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
  
   diner at 2nd/3rd:
   http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/cards/c12.htm
   
   See Jerry's Tavern CLick to enlarge
  
 
 
 Allman Brothers: $4.00...  Now thats cool.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread arcman210
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Damn that's cool. I wish we still had an AP that looked like that.
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
 
  diner at 2nd/3rd:
  http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/cards/c12.htm
  
  See Jerry's Tavern CLick to enlarge
 


Allman Brothers: $4.00...  Now thats cool.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is it a typo on that Allman Brothers ticket, or was it really called
Sunshine In

I remember going to an Allman's Bros concert with a hefty bag of weed.
Got so wasted I was screaming Whipping Post to the warm up act -
Marshall Tucker band.




 
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[AsburyPark] Eminent Domain and Disaster Economics: Rev. Kevin Brown [pt 2]

2007-12-06 Thread jerseykev
 
Eminent Domain and Disaster Economics: Rev. Kevin Brown  [pt 2]

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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread Jack Pitzer
I don't remember my first and only Allman Bros. concert because I was on acid.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  Is it a typo on that Allman Brothers ticket, or was it really called
 Sunshine In
 
 I remember going to an Allman's Bros concert with a hefty bag of weed.
 Got so wasted I was screaming Whipping Post to the warm up act -
 Marshall Tucker band.






 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 12/6/2007 11:11:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I  believe the Yellow Door pet store used to be a diner many years  ago.
 
It was the Yellow Roof Restaurant in the late 60's.  They specialized  in 
prime rib.
 

I'd  love to see a classic diner in our city.
 
Last diner-diner was the Asbury Diner at the corner of Main and Asbury  Ave.
 

Every  once in awhile I need to feed my love of diners by making a
visit to the  Roadside Diner near Englishtown Auction.
 
What about the one on Rts 33/34 circle with 547?  Real authentic, but  tiny.  
I forgot what movie what filmed there.

 



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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread arcman210
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Every  once in awhile I need to feed my love of diners by making a
 visit to the  Roadside Diner near Englishtown Auction.
  
 What about the one on Rts 33/34 circle with 547?  Real authentic, 
but  tiny.  
 I forgot what movie what filmed there.

That is the Roadside Diner.  'Baby Its You' was filmed there, and more 
notably the album cover for Bon Jovi's greatest hits CD Cross Road is 
a picture of the band inside the diner. Jon Bon Jovi supposedly loves 
this diner and used to frequent it, I guess before he became famous.



 
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[AsburyPark] Very Funny!

2007-12-06 Thread justifiedright
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6bW5iarpPg



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is it a typo on that Allman Brothers ticket, or was it really 
called Sunshine In
 

Good debate.

I met a guy that either once owned it/ran it (the inn). It was at one 
time just a big garage.

They just sprayed the whole inside black and tossed in some home made 
bleachers etc. then you wnet in and got stoned.

The rumor about such concerts like the Allman's back then was that 
these concerts were never really sold out - they handed out lots of 
tickets for free. Something like washing the money. 



 
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[AsburyPark] Mortgage Bail Out

2007-12-06 Thread dfsavgny

December 6, 2007
Sixty-One Economists Sign Letter Opposing Subprime Mortgage Bail Out
Open letter to Congress argues against federal intervention.
Contact: Adam Brandon
Phone:(202) 942-7698
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Washington, D.C. -  As President Bush prepares to announce a plan to
freeze mortgage rates for many homeowners, sixty-one economists from
universities and think-tanks from across America, in conjunction with
the non-profit advocacy group FreedomWorks, released an open letter to
the U.S. Congress advising against excessive new regulations or federal
interventions to deal with credit repricing in the subprime mortgage
market.

The letter warns http://www.freedomworks.org/econletter/20071206.pdf 
that:

Legislation to create new underwriting standards will reduce
competition and restrict consumer access to credit. Additionally,
efforts to bail out or shore up lending institutions create a moral
hazard that would slow the adjustments required in the marketplace….
These [bail out] proposals would fundamentally alter the workings of the
mortgage market, leaving consumers with fewer choices when seeking to
buy a home and potentially increasing taxpayer exposure for bad loans.

Former U.S. House Majority Leader Dick Armey, a former economics
professor who now serves as Chairman of FreedomWorks, commented: This
letter should give policymakers pause in their rush to pass bailout
schemes for the real estate market. Most of the policy proposals before
Congress would arbitrarily rewrite private contracts, reward speculative
lending and borrowing, and expose taxpayers to additional risks. Though
it's understandable that legislators might want to respond to homeowner
difficulties, the proposed regulations only serve to decrease credit
availability for the poor and disadvantaged. Today's letter adds an
important new voice to the debate, that of many of the nation's
professional economists, who are calling on Congress to act responsibly
and allow the subprime market to work through the current repricing of
mortgage-backed securities.

The letter is part of a broader FreedomWorks campaign against an
unwarranted expansion of government involvement in the nation's mortgage
capital markets. The full letter, with signatures, can be viewed online
at:

View the .pdf of the letter
http://www.freedomworks.org/econletter/20071206.pdf



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[AsburyPark] Re: Mortgage Bail Out

2007-12-06 Thread oakdorf
--- I think McCain was against it. Didn't want to rescue people who made bad 
decisions.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread apoojo
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 diner at 2nd/3rd:
 http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/cards/c12.htm
 
 See Jerry's Tavern CLick to enlarge

ok i agree with dan, too much fighting glad you stopped it, hey dan did 
you ask your new buddy bruno who chairs the special events committe how 
the fire works were approved after the fact? werner great twi light 
zone  comparision, sorry back to my change the pace trivia question 
jerry's tavern, cmon guys do not look at the back of the postcards, who 
was the owner, hint their family is still very involved in the city, 
easy question tommy if your not the first to respond i will be shocked



 
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[AsburyPark] Diner Opens After a Hell’s Kitchen Worth of Trouble

2007-12-06 Thread MarioAPNJ
_Diner  Opens in Catskills After a Hell’s Kitchen Worth of Trouble - New York 
Times_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/06/nyregion/06towns.html)  
 
December 6, 2007
Our  Towns
 
When last spotted in its ancestral home, there was the Munson Diner, steel  
and chrome shining off the streetlights, noirish blue exterior like a ghost 
from  the ’40s, loaded onto a flatbed truck and lumbering toward the George 
Washington  Bridge, bound if not for glory, at least for Liberty, a faded 
resort 
town in the  Catskills. 
It was May 5, 2005, and, as it turned out, getting a 50-foot-long, 30-ton  
diner onto a truck was the easy part. One of its new owners and a cameraman 
were 
 taken off the George Washington Bridge by the police as they tried to film 
the  big event without a permit.  
The diner hit not one, but two highway bridges on the way up. And when it  
finally arrived, dinged up but more or less intact, the crew lowered it  
triumphantly onto its new foundation ... backward, with the vintage neon sign  
and 
steel facade facing away from Main Street. 
And then for two and a half years, the 15 local investors behind the diner  
transplant considered and discarded ideas from at least 23 potential operators. 
 A Catskill kosher deli! A Catskill history museum! The site for a reality 
show  featuring a talking diner and chatty patrons reflecting on city and 
country  life! 
All of which explains the sign by the entrance (“Come in. We’re finally  
open!”) and the somewhat disproportionate expressions of contentment on the 
face  
of patrons — not to mention investors — when the Munson finally reopened to 
big  crowds last week, a lesson in comfort food, diner lore and other themes 
that  could have been explored had anyone been nuts enough to greenlight the 
reality  show.  
“All you’ve heard for two years was: ‘What’s happening with the blue diner? 
 What’s happening with the blue diner?’” said Maureen MacDonnell, a 
71-year-old  house painter, who frequented the diner at its original site at 
11th 
Avenue and  49th Street and now considers herself a regular at the new one. 
“You 
don’t know  what a big deal this is.” 
Built in the 1940s, the Munson was a modest classic of its era in style and  
ambience. It featured a base of vertical strips of stainless steel holding in  
bowed, bright blue enameled panels; glass-block infill and horizontal blue 
and  stainless steel striping along the top, all accented under lurid red neon. 
But by the late ’90s, it was a relic in newly fashionable Hell’s Kitchen,  
where the original ethos of diners — as places where, as The Times put it in a  
1941 article, “men and women in evening dress swap jokes with men in overalls”
 —  was as out of date as 10-cent coffee. 
The Volvo dealership that bought the space put the diner up for sale, the  
Liberty 15 took a flier, and there we were. 
THE Munson might still be closed if not for Fred LaGattuta, 47, a retired  
diesel mechanic turned populist entrepreneur whose projects have included a  
bowling alley in Callicoon ($7 unlimited-time bowling, $2 beer, $1 pizza 
slices)  
and a motel and diner near Parksville (rooms at $49.99). He leased the diner  
with an option to buy it, along with a partner, Tom Russell.  
Mr. LaGattuta figured the old diner should just be a diner, and worked every  
weekend for eight months with his 18-year-old son, Paeden, to fix it up.  
There’s a new tile floor, new and bigger red booths, a new kitchen, a new  
ceiling, new laminate on the tables and the counter to go with the old facade  
and neon sign, old menu boards and old twirling stools. 
The whole project will cost about $300,000, not the $125,000 the investors  
originally planned on, but at least it’s open, with two eggs, potatoes and 
toast  for $2.50, $5.20 ziti, and a 12-ounce Monster Munsonburger with three 
cheeses,  bacon and other extras, plus fries and cole slaw, for $6.  
“I’m a fatso who likes to eat, and I thought this little town needed a  
restaurant like this,” said Mr. LaGattuta, whose family moved to the Catskills  
from Yonkers in the early 1960s. “You go to an old diner and you get, I don’t  
know, a warm feeling. That’s what I wanted.” 
Urban chauvinists might pity the Munson, exiled from the bright lights. And  
yet. 
In its latter days, the Munson was a setting for shows like “Law and Order”  
and the famous Bizarro Seinfeld episode, where Elaine met at a diner with her 
 new, friendly, noncynical pals, the opposite of Jerry, Kramer and George. 
So,  maybe, it’s appropriate it has gone full circle, not just to a  
pre-concept-dining diner, but to a Bizarro version of its old locale, where the 
 killer 
meatloaf is still in fashion and people walk in and say hello.  
And then, there was the guy at the counter yesterday morning.  
“You got Heinz?” he asked the waitress, looking askance at the ketchup on 
the  counter. 
“In little packets,” she said. 
“Well, anything’s better than this,” he replied, like a dyspeptic regular  

[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ok i agree with dan, too much fighting glad you stopped it, hey dan did 
 you ask your new buddy bruno who chairs the special events committe how 
 the fire works were approved after the fact?

I knew I was going to regret this. No, but I did email my other
buddy Terry about that last night and the obvious error in the
posting dates of the meeting pointed out by Frank.

I got an answer a little while ago that because MM organized the
fireworks without council approval, he gave it administrative approval
with the caveat that the council had to later approve it officially. I
don't want to read into any more than was said but, I assume it was
done late in the game and the city did not want to be a heavy on
something that is actually good for the city because of a
technicality. I will also read into it that it will not be a habit.
although I missed those fireworks, I am glad that this was done and I
just wanted an explanation why there was a contradiction in the dates.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Diner Opens After a Hell’s Kitchen Worth of Trouble

2007-12-06 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 _Diner  Opens in Catskills After a Hell’s Kitchen Worth of Trouble
- New York 
 Times_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/06/nyregion/06towns.html)  
  
 December 6, 2007
 Our  Towns

That's what got me going today on that subject and the recent move of
the Moondance Diner (last month) from Soho to Wyoming. A least the
Empire Diner is still here (Chelsea) - for now.




 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Bush Freezing Sub-Prime Rates?

2007-12-06 Thread Mike Hemeon
Try to jump the borders in Mexico and get a job. They will just lock you up 
down there. 
  Obama is listening to a Bush advisor for advice and nobody seems to be able 
to see why.
   
  The Republicans can beat Obama but not Hillary. If Obama is smart he won't 
take Hillary on as VP, that is if she will take even take it, because the 
Clintons will eliminate him within the first year in office.
   
  

2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Gabrielle,
If I had to vote Republican, it would be for Chuck Hagel. From the
ravages of this administration, he is the only one holding meaningful
dialogue, with the Democrats. A great ticket would be Hagel and
Obama! I like Dennis Kucinich as much as anyone and if Obama gets the
Democrat nod, I would hope he'd consider Kucinich, as VP. Neither one
has a personal agenda, except to rescue America, from the demons and
thieves running it now.

Rome fell and America is racing to her demise, now! They claim
History runs in cycles and all great dynasties fall, eventually. A
country built, (they say), on belief in God, are practicing hypocrisy,
of the WORST kind. Many pilgrims, came here for religious freedom,
only to kill off the natives, that were already here! They are still
held captive on the longest concentration camps in America; the
reservations.

When the Louisiana Purchase occurred, America saw it as their
Manifest Destiny, to inhabit the entire continent, from sea to
shining sea, and they have! If you thought Nixon, was the most
secretive and corrupt President, he's looking awfully good to me, now!
There was never any intention, on the South's or North's part, to free
anyone! See the Indians. There will always be an underclass, in this
country! Someone has to work in the sweat factories, do the grunt
work in the fields and be a football for the majority, that still
believes in that sort of thing.

Congress is the ruling class, we are the so-called middle-class and
the Mexicans and convicted felons, are the new slavery. I don't
call for the overthrow of our government, but I say kick them ALL out,
erase the slate and start over! Monmouth County, should have shown us
that! We are the mosted hated country, in the world. They don't hate
Americans, they hate our policies. I pray that the soldiers, sailors
and marines, come home. They have served 2 and 3 deployments. Enough
is enough and those in power, who wear their little flags, (made in
China), in their lapels, ought to put their bodies, where their
mouths, are. I hear that there is a movement by Washington, Canada
and Mexico, to make the North American Continent, all one, without
borders. Saw a documentary about it, on the Sundance Channel. Very
interesting and possible, without the consent of the people, or the
Constitution.

After this regime, anything is possible! Bill's wife, is a
politician, just like Bill!

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 assuming i think you should vote for bill's wife when i suggest you
 got what you deserve for supporting a criminal and a liar is a
 leap...a pretty big one. you have lots of simple democrats on
 estrogen in your life?
 
 ron paul is looking decent to me...the only one so far to support the
 american freedom agenda act. i love kucinich, nader will always be a
 man of incredible intelligence and integrity to me, though his gifts
 have already been given and denied. 
 
 we are a long way from a president who will truly serve, and it's our
 fault. we watch too much tv, have forgotten what it is to be a
 patriot...most think it means following and bowing to power...we are
 greedy and therefore allow greed in our leaders...on and on. we
 truly need to take back our beautiful country...no one person can do
 that or should be expected to. i feel my ancestors weeping in my
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Re: [AsburyPark] I Smell A (Big) Rat

2007-12-06 Thread Mike Hemeon
If you can't beat em, eat em. They have to taste like chicken.

dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  INVASION OF THE GIANT RATS  
20-POUND BEASTS SWAMPING JERSEY
  By TIM PERONE and DAVID K. LI 



  
  December 6, 2007 -- Giant rodents are about to take over New Jersey! 
  And even if the Garden State might not look any different, it has some 
officials worried about the ugly, 20-pound nutria which have made their way 
here from points south of the Mason-Dixon line. 
  The furry rodent is widely considered one of the most damaging creatures to 
marshland ecosystems - which, of course, would make New Jersey the critter's 
spiritual home. 
  I spotted it in Lower Alloway Township, Oct. 29, state Division of Fish and 
Wildlife biologist Andrew Burnett told The Star-Ledger of Newark. 
  The animal was swimming across Alloway Creek approximately 150 feet from my 
position. 
  For decades, the nutria have slowly made their way up the Eastern Sseaboard. 
It was first recorded in large numbers in Delaware and Maryland in the 1980s 
  And now, the first has been spotted in Jersey. 
  It's a very large rodent, said Leonard Douglen, executive director of the 
New Jersey Pest Management Association. 
  As long as we don't allow the population to grow, we can eradicate them no 
matter how big they are. 
  The rodents - which measure as long as 24 inches from nose to tail - can kill 
an ecosystem by evicting current tenants like waterfowl, crabs and fish. 
  Douglen said that if the nutria invade New Jersey in large numbers, he and 
other pest-control warriors will have to take them out, one at a time. 
  We'd probably trap them, wherever there are sightings. We'd have to set 
traps in those areas, he told The Post last night. 
  Just because a new species comes around doesn't mean you reinvent the 
wheel. 
  The nutria, as big as most dogs and resembling a beaver, has an average life 
span of about four years in the wild. 
  The South American rodent, with its fine fur, was once bred for their pelts 
in the late 19th century and in the first half of the 20th century. 
  As nutria farms popped up in the South and Gulf Coast regions, so did feral 
populations of the big, ugly rodents. 
  The most fierce battles against the nutria have been waged on Maryland's 
Eastern Shore, where state officials want to protect their precious Chesapeake 
Bay. 
  The Blackwater National Wildlife Refuge in Maryland has been ground zero of 
the war against the nutria, which has devoured about 7,000 acres of salt marsh 
in the past half-century.
  

 

   
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Excuse my doting....

2007-12-06 Thread Mike Hemeon
I do know how to read and it was clear you had kids. The only one with a chip 
is you. Are men holding you down? Has to be someone elses fault for everything.

2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Well, you write like I didn't have 
any! Assuming as usual! Assuming
makes an A$$ out of YOU and me! I have a GREAT-grand child, too!

You need to take that chip, off your shoulder!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have kids and grand children for your info.
 
 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah,
 You should learn!
 



 

   
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread apoojo
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo apoojo@ wrote:
 
  hey dan did 
  you ask your new buddy bruno who chairs the special events 
committe how 
  the fire works were approved after the fact?
 
 I knew I was going to regret this. No, but I did email my other
 buddy Terry about that last night and the obvious error in the
 posting dates of the meeting pointed out by Frank.
 
 I got an answer a little while ago that because MM organized the
 fireworks without council approval, he gave it administrative 
approval
 with the caveat that the council had to later approve it 
officially. I
 don't want to read into any more than was said but, I assume it was
 done late in the game and the city did not want to be a heavy on
 something that is actually good for the city because of a
 technicality. I will also read into it that it will not be a habit.
 
appreciate your honesty, sorry to set you up, but i did not call you 
monkey boy, totally agree, no big deal, as long as it does not become 
a habit, which im not willing to bet against, if it does, we will see 
not yours but everyones true colors, should be interesting is MM 
exempt or  above the law? time will tell! oh by the way the fireworks 
had been advertised for the past 3 weeks in the papers, makes me 
wonder, but im just a dumb old taxpayer who plays by the rules and 
pays on time, and does not ask for an administrative approval after 
the fact, hey maybe i can after the tax increase, not a bad idea, ask 
your buddy's if i got a shot lol



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 sorry back to my change the pace trivia question 
 jerry's tavern, cmon guys do not look at the back of the postcards, 
who 
 was the owner, hint their family is still very involved in the city, 
 easy question tommy if your not the first to respond i will be 
shocked


You stumped me!  

Active family in the City is a hint.  I'll guess Michaels?  Vaccaro? 
Mostly Greek in that time period.  Eliopoulis?  Possibly Kary 
(although not Greek)?

Who is it?




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 totally agree, no big deal, as long as it does not become 
 a habit, which im not willing to bet against, if it does, we will see 
 not yours but everyones true colors, should be interesting is MM 

What other colors could I have? You know who I am and I don't know
you, but that is okay. I'll state here and now that it should not be a
habit. And if I thought it was okay, why would I point it out in the
first place to everyone, and second, why would I ask why to the city?

ask your buddy's if i got a shot lol

Maybe I am being sensitive, but I detect an under current here that i
am not comfortable with. Especially the way you keep saying buddy's (sic).

You are certainly free to contact public officials just as I have and
will continue to do. I do so as a taxpayer. There's nothing in it for
me nor do I have special access. You know these people better and
longer than I do. 



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: I'd Like an Old Fashioned Diner in AP

2007-12-06 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Maybe I am being sensitive, but I detect an under current here that i
 am not comfortable with. Especially the way you keep saying buddy's 
(sic).

Imagine the reaction you might have if you were in the middle of a 
conversation with a friend and out of nowhere he called you a liar.

You might get beyond uncomfortable.  You might get angry, and I would 
understand it if you did.




 
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