[AsburyPark] Re: Haste Makes Waste.....

2007-12-21 Thread oakdorf
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thats ok. From that article:

Larry Fishman, the chief operating officer of Asbury Partners,
expressed skepticism about Mr. Fasano's motives. ''The Baronet Theater
and the Fast Lane were both closed for many years before being
acquired by the current owner and were only opened in order to extract
added value from the properties


Well, that's kind of like buying the RIGHTS to develop, with no
ability to develop, to extract added value

Asbury Partners hopes to succeed where others have failed. You need
to have a developer with vision, says Asbury Partners CEO Larry
Fishman, who added that his firm believes in the community, believes
in the location, and believes in the future.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Last Night's BOE meeting

2007-12-21 Thread 2fine4u
Dear Frank,
As only you could, you gave a complete, historical background on the
status of the stadium, the ball fields, etc.  The monitor, who didn't
take the time to read or delve into the history, not only of this
board, bur previous boards, before this one, who did NOT make the
situation, that the current board is trying to wade through, but that
the people of Asbury Park spoke, at the last election, hoping upon
hope, that this board, would finally straighten out the muck, it
unwittingly stepped into!

Let me first send you and the board kudos, bravo, atta boy/girl,
or whatever one does, when you can't see me, standing and cheering! 
For 4 long hours, for which none of you are paid, blood pressures
soaring, hearts palpatating, with no CPR administered and for being
able to walk out in one piece, my devotional prayers, were answered.

It sounds as though our citizens and the current board, are on the
same page, for once and for that, all of you should be commended. 
Talk about dotting your I's and crossing your T's, my next question
is, how long does the contract on those lawyers, last?  I can only
think of the line, from the song, School Days; taught to the tune
of a hickory stick!  I would like to see the lawyers dance, to THAT!

I will continue to don my Asbury Blue and Black cheering suit, for
this Bishop's Team!  Hoping you all have a Blessed Christmas Holiday!

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 Dear Group Members:
 
  This is a relatively short report on last night's BOE
 meeting from a Board member who does not speak for the Board.  
   
 The four and a half hour meeting began with a public hearing on the
 re-financing (legal term refunding) of all of the outstanding bonds
 we have been paying for.  That includes the 1997 $2,000,000. bond
 issue and the year 2000 $1.3 million dollar bond issues as well as
 outstanding bonds from 1989 and 1994 (which involved the construction
 of the Bradley School).  The current rate is 5.6% and the new rate
 will be between 3.5 and 4 %.  Refinancing a total of $8.5 million in
 bonds at the new rate saves approximately $60,000. per year for ten
 years.  
 
   Barbara Lesinski and I spoke of the commitment made to the
 people of Asbury Park when the 1997 and 2000 bonds promised not only a
 refurbished stadium but three separate ball fields (including a
 separate Little League field).  Savings from the re-fi should first go
 to complete the promises made a decade ago.  That was also the message
 from the members of the public who spoke at the hearing, including
 Danny McKee, the President of the Little League.  The state monitor
 was even chastised by my neighbor and longtime teacher, Esther Kelso,
 who said Stop harassing the Little League!  The monitor took that
 opportunity to say that he had been misunderstood, and that he never
 said the Little League could not remain at its present location.  (Two
 words come to mind: Bull-ony).  After the public hearing, the BOE
 unanimously voted to re-finance the bonds.  
   
  The High School principal, Mr. Tyler Blackmore, then gave us an
 exciting presentation his plans to re-organize the high school and its
 faculty and student body into three separate academies for the 10th,
 11th, and 12th graders.  The first will be the Entrepreneurship,
 Business, and Technology Academy, the second Humanities and Fine
 Arts , and the third Medical, Science, and Engineering.  Instead of
 traditional departments, there will be cross-curriculum teams of
 teachers for these themed academies.  
   
  A closed session was held so that the BOE could discuss the
 status of talks with the Little League being represented by attorney
 Tom DeSeno, with whom a one-hour conference call was held earlier in
 the day.  Without breaching the confidence of the closed session, it
 is safe to say that the controversy is now moving in the right
 direction.  
   
  The BOE meeting resumed with a public comment session on agenda
 items.  The first order of business after that was to appoint a new
 interim School Business Administrator/Board Secretary.  Mr. James
 Cummings was appointed to that position at $600 per day.  The vote was
 8-1.  He will not be required to attend BOE meetings, hence the reason
 for my no vote.
   
  Another vote of note was the vote to inform the suspended
 Superintendent, Dr. Lewis, that the BOE did not intend to renew his
 contract.  Under the law, a superintendent must be told in the
 penultimate year of his contract (in this case the 3rd year of a 4
 year contract) that the Board does not intend to renew, or else the
 contract is automatically renewed for the same perios of time (!)  The
 vote to inform Dr. Lewis that this Board did not intend to renew his
 contract was 7 yes, one abstention (Mrs. Sanders) and one no
 (Garrett Giberson).  
   
  We also voted to acknowledge the results of a state investigation
 into 

[AsburyPark] Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
To 
All My Democrat Friends: 

Please accept with 
no obligation, implied or express, my best wishes for an 
environmentally 
conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-
neutral 
celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the 
most enjoyable 
traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular 
practices of 
your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion 
and/or traditions 
of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular 
traditions at 
all. I also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling 
and medically 
uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted 
calendar year 
2008, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of 
other cultures 
whose contributions to society have helped make America great. Not 
to imply that 
America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the only 
America in 
the Western Hemisphere . Also, this wish is made without regard to 
the race, 
creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual 
preference of the 
wishee.

  
To 
My Republican Friends: 
Have a Merry 
Christmas and a Happy New Year! 




 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Haste Makes Waste.....

2007-12-21 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 12/21/2007 7:54:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

that's  ok. From that article:   Larry Fishman, .
 
 
  Sorry to have opened  some old wounds with that.
 
 
On a lighter note
 
The Three Stooges, live, at the  Baronet???
 
Finally something before my time.   
 



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[AsburyPark] Haste Makes Waste.....

2007-12-21 Thread MarioAPNJ
Re: [AsburyPark] In Asbury Park, It Isn't Bands That Battle  Now
 
Whoops!  Haste makes waste  ---  that was a  2006 oldie,  guess that web 
crawler is random access.
 
So as not to waste this cyber space...something more  immediate...
 
 
Winter Solstice occurs tomorrow, Sat., Dec. 22, 2007, 1:08 A.M.  EST, marking 
the beginning of winter.
 
The good news is that days will start to get  longer in a few.
 
Peace to Men and Women of Good  Will
 
 




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[AsburyPark] Time to reflect on 2007 in AP

2007-12-21 Thread oakdorf
Highlights of 2007

1. Both football (high and pop) take he championships

2. Esperanza opens sales office with lots of fanfare and people flock
to opening.

3. Esperanza closes sales office with little fanfare.

4. First people move into sold out Wesley Grove. 

5. First people move into sold out North Beach.

6. Madison Marquette to the rescue. Casino, boardwalk, parammount,
ocean ave and more get some much needed oxygen and makeovers. People
come to AP and ENJOY it.

7. First people move into Steinbach.

8. Lots of new places to go along Cookman Ave - rafferty, munch and
many, many more come to AP and open up businesses OUTSIDE of the
redevelopment zone. People come to AP and ENJOY it.

9. More changes in the redeveloper agreements to help the master
developer. Promises Promises. 

10. Hinge keeps an eye on Library Sq Park and gets action to keep it
clean and lit.

11. Werner goes off to jail.

12. Wesley Grove Phase II - IV or whatever number not happening and
empty lots remain, empty. No fanfare or demands to continue on or
clean up these lots.

13. Budget crisis continues to grow as less ratables then predicted
come on line. More come off then on?

14. City Council, working for free, begin to make demands.

15. Much needed new police chief comes in and takes action.

.

feel free to add more. Lets see + vs. -







 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here on earth 
so great.
 Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas ornaments 
that are made in 
 China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour weeks.
 Explain that to us Tommy.

And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen of them.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
The problem is, nobody cares.
And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here on earth so great.
Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas ornaments that are 
made in 
China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour weeks.
Explain that to us Tommy.
Perhaps some of those ornaments are hanging on your tree (across the room from 
your 
Ann Coulter velvet painting)
If there is a God, would he allow his holiday to be soiled in such a way?
What religious justification do you have for this?

Finally, if God were irrefutably debunked, would you still continue to believe?

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario MarioAPNJ@ wrote:
 
  To all my Christian friends, Merry Christmas.
  === To all, a reminder of an American 
ideal
 
 
 and thank god for global warming.  Less need to head to Florida or
 leave the area.
 
 Looks like a few good travel days coming up.
 
 And the argument continues as artifical  trees do MORE harm then good.
 
 But most are made in China, contain some lead.
 
 So who cares, right?
 
 Everyone, if you have a yard, should plant a tree this xmas or give
 the gift.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 and thank god for global warming.  Less need to head to Florida 
or
 leave the area.

YES! YES!  And what a boon for AP!  Imagine selling beach badges year 
round!

That's why I've decided to increase my carbon footprint wherever I can.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
Funny for you. Pathetic to me.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 To 
 All My Democrat Friends: 
 
 Please accept with 
 no obligation, implied or express, my best wishes for an 
 environmentally 
 conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-
 neutral 
 celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the 
 most enjoyable 
 traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular 
 practices of 
 your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion 
 and/or traditions 
 of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular 
 traditions at 
 all. I also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling 
 and medically 
 uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted 
 calendar year 
 2008, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of 
 other cultures 
 whose contributions to society have helped make America great. Not 
 to imply that 
 America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the only 
 America in 
 the Western Hemisphere . Also, this wish is made without regard to 
 the race, 
 creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual 
 preference of the 
 wishee.
 
   
 To 
 My Republican Friends: 
 Have a Merry 
 Christmas and a Happy New Year!





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 12/21/2007 8:35:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

To  
All My Democrat Friends: Please accept with no obligation, implied or  
express, my best wishes for an environmentally 
conscious, socially  responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral 
celebration  
 
 
Beautiful textbook example of the Straw Man  Technique:
 
_http://www.drury.edu/ess/Logic/Informal/Strawman.html_ 
(http://www.drury.edu/ess/Logic/Informal/Strawman.html) 
 
As in the fallacy Set Up here:
 
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man) 

 



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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Mario
To all my Christian friends, Merry Christmas.
=== To all, a reminder of an American ideal
in the unifying words of JFK:
While the so-called religious issue is necessarily and properly the
chief topic here tonight, I want to emphasize from the outset that we
have far more critical issues to face…: those who no longer respect
our power--the hungry children I saw in West Virginia, the old people
who cannot pay their doctor bills, the families forced to give up their
farms--an America with too many slums, with too few schools…. These
are the real issues….   And they are not religious issues--for war
and hunger and ignorance and despair know no religious barriers.I
believe in an America where…no church or church school is granted
any public funds or political preference….   Finally, I believe in
an America where religious intolerance will someday end--where all men
and all churches are treated as equal--where every man has the same
right to attend or not attend the church of his choice--where there is
no Catholic vote, no anti-Catholic vote, no bloc voting of any kind--and
where Catholics, Protestants and Jews, at both the lay and pastoral
level, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which
have so often marred their works in the past, and promote instead the
American ideal of brotherhood.This is the kind of America I believe
in--and this is the kind I fought for in the South Pacific, and the kind
my brother died for in Europe. No one suggested then that we may have a
divided loyalty, that we did not believe in liberty, or that we
belonged to a disloyal group that threatened the freedoms for which our
forefathers died.I ask you tonight to follow in that
tradition….   The statement of the American Bishops in 1948 which
strongly endorsed church-state separation, and which more nearly
reflects the views of almost every American Catholic.Adapted from 
JFK's  September 12, 1960 address to the Greater Houston Ministerial
Association 
=== In a
message dated 12/21/2007 8:35:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To
All My Democrat Friends:

Please accept with
no obligation, implied or express, my best wishes for an
environmentally
conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-
neutral
celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the
most enjoyable
traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular
practices of
your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion


Re: [AsburyPark] Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread denise
MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR


- Original Message 
From: justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 8:35:11 AM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Greetings

To 
All My Democrat Friends: 

Please accept with 
no obligation, implied or express, my best wishes for an 
environmentally 
conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-
neutral 
celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the 
most enjoyable 
traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular 
practices of 
your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion 
and/or traditions 
of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular 
traditions at 
all. I also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling 
and medically 
uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted 
calendar year 
2008, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of 
other cultures 
whose contributions to society have helped make America great. Not 
to imply that 
America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the only 
America in 
the Western Hemisphere . Also, this wish is made without regard to 
the race, 
creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual 
preference of the 
wishee. 

To 
My Republican Friends: 
Have a Merry 
Christmas and a Happy New Year! 





  

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[AsburyPark] In Asbury Park, It Isn't Bands That Battle Now

2007-12-21 Thread MarioAPNJ
STANDING near the empty corner of Kingsley and Fourth on a bright afternoon  
as another summer was draining away, Dennis Dubrow got that wistful look in 
his  eyes that people here tend to get when they start talking about what 
Asbury 
Park  once was, when everybody was younger and nobody believed the summers 
would ever  end.   More   _JERSEY;  In Asbury Park, It Isn't Bands That 
Battle Now - New York Times_ 
(http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E01E4DA1E3EF930A3575AC0A9609C8B63sec=spon=pagewanted=all)
  



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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
I guess it's easier to blame it on somebody else.
You can answer your own question by re-reading your joke and then
thinking a bit outside of your comfortable little box.
Happy Holidays.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jackie...baby!
 
 I posted a joke this morning that someone sent to me by email.  
 Thought it was cute.
 
 Seemed to upset you and that other guy a lot.
 
 I have an open mind.  Educate me.  Why was that Greetings post so 
 upsetting?
 
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  I think you should consider changing the name of your TCN column 
 for 2008 from 
  Justified Right to The Ugly American
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
  
   What's the problem, you can't answer a simple question?
   Your joke=somebody else's suffering.
   You joking about it makes a mockery of your faith.
   Congrats...
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
 wrote:

 And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here on 
 earth 
so great.
 Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas 
 ornaments 
that are made in 
 China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour 
 weeks.
 Explain that to us Tommy.

And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen of 
 them.
   
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Haste Makes Waste.....

2007-12-21 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The Three Stooges, live, at the  Baronet???
  
 Finally something before my time.   

Who are you kidding? I think you have a few years on me and I saw them live at 
the RKO Prospect in Bklyn along with Hercules - Steve Reeves. The original 
Curly was dead and the others were barely Live. 




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
I have a better idea. Send the question about sweatshops in China making Xmas 
ornaments and what God would think of that to your friend and see what kinda 
bright 
answer he/she comes up with.
As for you, despite the fact that your world view is very different then mine, 
you are still 
ok in my book and I wish you and yours a Merry Christmas.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I did.  Same result.  Still thought it was a cute joke.
 
 You're going to have to educate me if you want me to grow.
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  I guess it's easier to blame it on somebody else.
  You can answer your own question by re-reading your joke and then
  thinking a bit outside of your comfortable little box.
  Happy Holidays.
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
  justifiedright@ wrote:
  
   Jackie...baby!
   
   I posted a joke this morning that someone sent to me by email.  
   Thought it was cute.
   
   Seemed to upset you and that other guy a lot.
   
   I have an open mind.  Educate me.  Why was that Greetings post 
 so 
   upsetting?
   
   
   
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
 wrote:
   
I think you should consider changing the name of your TCN 
 column 
   for 2008 from 
Justified Right to The Ugly American

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
 wrote:

 What's the problem, you can't answer a simple question?
 Your joke=somebody else's suffering.
 You joking about it makes a mockery of your faith.
 Congrats...
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
   justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer 
 hinge98@ 
   wrote:
  
   And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life 
 here on 
   earth 
  so great.
   Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas 
   ornaments 
  that are made in 
   China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 
 hour 
   weeks.
   Explain that to us Tommy.
  
  And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen 
 of 
   them.
 

   
  
 






 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread MarioAPNJ
 
In a message dated 12/21/2007 10:19:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) ,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED],  Ma

 Didn't upset me.

Yes it  did.


 
 
If that suits you, OK.
 
But I was delighted for the occasion to unveil my newly coined  alliteration:
 
Pale pink predominantly penis people pandering to  people’s prejudices and 
petty pet peeves.
 
Much better example than Peter Picked a Peck of Pickled Peppers.
 

 
 



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[AsburyPark] Dogs

2007-12-21 Thread oakdorf
1. How do you leave a dog at home?

2. Blaze is cute. So was the firt visit to the vet.

3. I HAD one carpet in the house. I rolled it up.

I'll stick with my view, pets are cute, more so when they belong to
someone else.

However, when the vet and her assistant siad no, he really IS cute..
I  told my son I thought she was talking about the dog or him...then I
realized, it must of been me.

I do believe a cute puppy has a role in life. 



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Haste Makes Waste.....

2007-12-21 Thread MarioAPNJ
 
In a message dated 12/21/2007 9:11:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  dfsavg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Who  are you kidding? I think you have a few years on me and I saw them live 
at the  RKO Prospect in Bklyn along with Hercules - Steve Reeves. The original 
Curly  was dead and the others were barely Live. 


Never knew they were at the Baronet.  Wonder what year that  was?  If in the 
seventies, you're right, barely alive.  lol.
 
All I remember from that era was De Düva (The Dove), when the joke was on  
me at the Baronet, and Jesus Christ Superstar at the Paramount.   Possibly, I 
missed the Stooges when Lovelace was at the Savoy on Mattison; or  maybe doing 
my Saturday Night Fever schtick at the clubs.   grin
 
 
 




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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
Jackie...baby!

I posted a joke this morning that someone sent to me by email.  
Thought it was cute.

Seemed to upset you and that other guy a lot.

I have an open mind.  Educate me.  Why was that Greetings post so 
upsetting?




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 I think you should consider changing the name of your TCN column 
for 2008 from 
 Justified Right to The Ugly American
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  What's the problem, you can't answer a simple question?
  Your joke=somebody else's suffering.
  You joking about it makes a mockery of your faith.
  Congrats...
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
justifiedright@ wrote:
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
wrote:
   
And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here on 
earth 
   so great.
Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas 
ornaments 
   that are made in 
China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour 
weeks.
Explain that to us Tommy.
   
   And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen of 
them.
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Dogs

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 1. How do you leave a dog at home?

You can cage train him until he is fully housebroken, and then it 
should be OK to give him the run of the house.

Wouldn't leave him caged all day though.  Maybe a neighbor can help 
with visits/walks etc.

Whatever you do, do NOT let him in a cage with a coller on or a shirt 
on.  Lost one that way.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Dogs

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
Probably the most difficult thing to overcome with a new dog in the house, 
besides 
housebreak, is separation anxiety.
When I first got my Lakota, she hated when I left for work, and would take it 
out on 
anything associated with me. I usually brush my teeth just before leaving for 
work, so 
Lakota would chew up my tooth brush. She probably figured that if she killed 
the tooth 
brush then I wouldn't leave.
This progressed to clothes, remotes, a camera and eventually a couch.
So, I started doing research into separation anxiety, and I learned that the 
key is to let 
them know that you'll always be coming back.
I began to do trial separations which meant I would go out, sit on the porch 
for a few, 
and then come right back. I'd increase the length of time I was away each time.
Another key is to not make a big deal of either coming, or going. Just act like 
it's no big 
deal.


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 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
 
  1. How do you leave a dog at home?
 
 You can cage train him until he is fully housebroken, and then it 
 should be OK to give him the run of the house.
 
 Wouldn't leave him caged all day though.  Maybe a neighbor can help 
 with visits/walks etc.
 
 Whatever you do, do NOT let him in a cage with a coller on or a shirt 
 on.  Lost one that way.






 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread MarioAPNJ
 
In a message dated 12/21/2007 10:05:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Jackie...baby!

I posted a joke this morning that someone sent to  me by email. 
Thought it was cute.

Seemed to upset you and that  other guy a lot.




Didn't upset me.  I thought it was a silly  resuscitated Straw Man.
 
It's been on the right wing blogs for a few  years:
Pale pink predominantly penis people pandering to  people’s prejudices and 
petty pet peeves.
 
 



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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
I did.  Same result.  Still thought it was a cute joke.

You're going to have to educate me if you want me to grow.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I guess it's easier to blame it on somebody else.
 You can answer your own question by re-reading your joke and then
 thinking a bit outside of your comfortable little box.
 Happy Holidays.
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
 justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  Jackie...baby!
  
  I posted a joke this morning that someone sent to me by email.  
  Thought it was cute.
  
  Seemed to upset you and that other guy a lot.
  
  I have an open mind.  Educate me.  Why was that Greetings post 
so 
  upsetting?
  
  
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
wrote:
  
   I think you should consider changing the name of your TCN 
column 
  for 2008 from 
   Justified Right to The Ugly American
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
wrote:
   
What's the problem, you can't answer a simple question?
Your joke=somebody else's suffering.
You joking about it makes a mockery of your faith.
Congrats...

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
  justifiedright@ wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer 
hinge98@ 
  wrote:
 
  And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life 
here on 
  earth 
 so great.
  Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas 
  ornaments 
 that are made in 
  China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 
hour 
  weeks.
  Explain that to us Tommy.
 
 And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen 
of 
  them.

   
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
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 Didn't upset me.

Yes it did.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Time to reflect on 2007 in AP

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
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 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
 
  Highlights of 2007
  
 
 16. Tommy staying healthy to add life to this group and the Tri N.


Too late.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 To all my Christian friends, Merry Christmas.
 === To all, a reminder of an American ideal


and thank god for global warming.  Less need to head to Florida or
leave the area.

Looks like a few good travel days coming up.

And the argument continues as artifical  trees do MORE harm then good.

But most are made in China, contain some lead.

So who cares, right?

Everyone, if you have a yard, should plant a tree this xmas or give
the gift.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
I think you should consider changing the name of your TCN column for 2008 from 
Justified Right to The Ugly American

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What's the problem, you can't answer a simple question?
 Your joke=somebody else's suffering.
 You joking about it makes a mockery of your faith.
 Congrats...
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
  
   And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here on earth 
  so great.
   Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas ornaments 
  that are made in 
   China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour weeks.
   Explain that to us Tommy.
  
  And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen of them.
 






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
When I see somebody who's added the term carbon footprint to their 
vocabulary, it reminds 
me how much of a sheep a person can be.
To bad it's only a descriptive term, otherwise i'd suggest you still it up your 
ass.

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  and thank god for global warming.  Less need to head to Florida 
 or
  leave the area.
 
 YES! YES!  And what a boon for AP!  Imagine selling beach badges year 
 round!
 
 That's why I've decided to increase my carbon footprint wherever I can.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
What's the problem, you can't answer a simple question?
Your joke=somebody else's suffering.
You joking about it makes a mockery of your faith.
Congrats...

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  And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here on earth 
 so great.
  Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas ornaments 
 that are made in 
  China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour weeks.
  Explain that to us Tommy.
 
 And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen of them.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Time to reflect on 2007 in AP

2007-12-21 Thread oakdorf
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 Highlights of 2007
 

16. Tommy staying healthy to add life to this group and the Tri N.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread asburycouple
What a wonderful Christian Christmas sentiment.  Merry christmas to all 
the children who toil in near slavery conditions to make the holiday so 
nice for Tom.


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  And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here on earth 
 so great.
  Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas ornaments 
 that are made in 
  China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour weeks.
  Explain that to us Tommy.
 
 And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen of them.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread asburycouple
I actually thought the joke was in good fun - it's important to be 
able to laugh at both extremes of an argument.  But some of your 
comments since...  Wow.


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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jackie...baby!
 
 I posted a joke this morning that someone sent to me by email.  
 Thought it was cute.
 
 Seemed to upset you and that other guy a lot.
 
 I have an open mind.  Educate me.  Why was that Greetings post so 
 upsetting?
 
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  I think you should consider changing the name of your TCN column 
 for 2008 from 
  Justified Right to The Ugly American
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
  
   What's the problem, you can't answer a simple question?
   Your joke=somebody else's suffering.
   You joking about it makes a mockery of your faith.
   Congrats...
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
 wrote:

 And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here 
on 
 earth 
so great.
 Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas 
 ornaments 
that are made in 
 China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour 
 weeks.
 Explain that to us Tommy.

And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen of 
 them.
   
  
 





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread MarioAPNJ
 
In a message dated 12/21/2007 10:25:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I have  a better idea. Send the question about sweatshops in China making 
Xmas  
ornaments and what God would think of that to your friend and see what  
kinda bright 
answer he/she comes up with.
As for you, despite the fact  that your world view is very different then 
mine, you are still 
ok in my  book and I wish you and yours a Merry Christmas.


 
 
Ok,  Jack appeals to my better nature; so not to be outdone 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Dogs

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
When I first got mine, I used to bring her to work with me.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 1. How do you leave a dog at home?
 
 2. Blaze is cute. So was the firt visit to the vet.
 
 3. I HAD one carpet in the house. I rolled it up.
 
 I'll stick with my view, pets are cute, more so when they belong to
 someone else.
 
 However, when the vet and her assistant siad no, he really IS cute..
 I  told my son I thought she was talking about the dog or him...then I
 realized, it must of been me.
 
 I do believe a cute puppy has a role in life.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread asburycouple
I'll be able to sell my own beach badges, as my house will be right on 
the waterline...


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  and thank god for global warming.  Less need to head to Florida 
 or
  leave the area.
 
 YES! YES!  And what a boon for AP!  Imagine selling beach badges year 
 round!
 
 That's why I've decided to increase my carbon footprint wherever I 
can.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Kevin Brown
Coulter in Velvet!?
Now thats a traditional Christmas.

Now for the practical:

My prayer to God, and wish for all men and women of New Jersey this 
Christmas Season is simple.

That our taxes drop 75%
That Our Government shrink 80%
That Abstinance increase 75%
That Health improve 100%

With these 4 things alone it would be a better world.

Good Cheer To you all

Kevin Brown



 
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[AsburyPark] Credit where it is due

2007-12-21 Thread asburycouple
On a totally seperate but related note, Tom thank you for once again 
stepping in to a local issue and giving of yourself to do the right 
thing.  I just got the note on the AP Little League and I for one want 
to thank you for jumping in pro-bono on this issue.  While I so often 
don't agree with you I do applaud your continued commitment to Asbury 
Park which you so often demonstrate beyond just words.




 
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[AsburyPark] Madison Marquette and esperanza

2007-12-21 Thread dsher4
a week or so ago someone suggested here that perhaps MM would be 
interested in taking over for Metro.  Think it might have been Dan.  

Does anyone have any more information in regard to that?  I know MM 
just raised approx 480 million a little while back to deploy so 
perhaps they would be interested in coming in at a bargain price and 
taking it off Metro's hands.  

I know the legal aspects are complex but perhaps the city decided to 
take a tougher stance because in their back pocket they knew they had 
an interested, legitimate, fully funded party who would step up.

Any thoughts?

D Sheridan



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
That post I made this morning was a joke.  I stayed in a joking mood 
when I posted about China.  You know I wasn't serious.

And, yes, I will plead ignorance on $.40 an hour 70 hour work week 
child labor in China on behalf of WalMart.  I've not read about that.

Is there an article somewhere?


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 What a wonderful Christian Christmas sentiment.  Merry christmas 
to all 
 the children who toil in near slavery conditions to make the 
holiday so 
 nice for Tom.
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
wrote:
  
   And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here on 
earth 
  so great.
   Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas 
ornaments 
  that are made in 
   China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour 
weeks.
   Explain that to us Tommy.
  
  And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen of 
them.
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings - For Independents

2007-12-21 Thread Kevin Brown
Peace Out!



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread asburycouple
I know you were joking with both...  Somewhere there is a line 
between good and bad taste, which I acknowledge is subjective.  For 
me the first joke was fine - it is similar to others I've seen and a 
fun way of poking fun at the polar end of that particular debate.  
Most jokes are characterizations of an extreme view which is why they 
are funny, and we all need to be able to laugh at ourselves 
sometimes.  I've also seen you poke fun at ultra conservatives 
(rarely, but I've seen it).

But the line probably gets crossed with jokes about taking advantage 
of slave labor of children.  I realize your joking but if you step 
back and read it in print from the view not of your own eyes but of 
others it sounds really, really bad.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That post I made this morning was a joke.  I stayed in a joking 
mood 
 when I posted about China.  You know I wasn't serious.
 
 And, yes, I will plead ignorance on $.40 an hour 70 hour work week 
 child labor in China on behalf of WalMart.  I've not read about 
that.
 
 Is there an article somewhere?
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ 
 wrote:
 
  What a wonderful Christian Christmas sentiment.  Merry christmas 
 to all 
  the children who toil in near slavery conditions to make the 
 holiday so 
  nice for Tom.
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
  justifiedright@ wrote:
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
 wrote:
   
And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here on 
 earth 
   so great.
Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas 
 ornaments 
   that are made in 
China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour 
 weeks.
Explain that to us Tommy.
   
   And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen of 
 them.
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Credit where it is due

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
Thanks and say a prayer I can get it done.

Also, please call the BOE and Cowell and demand that $65K that John 
Moor/Frank D/ and Danny McKee turned up.  


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On a totally seperate but related note, Tom thank you for once again 
 stepping in to a local issue and giving of yourself to do the right 
 thing.  I just got the note on the AP Little League and I for one 
want 
 to thank you for jumping in pro-bono on this issue.  While I so 
often 
 don't agree with you I do applaud your continued commitment to 
Asbury 
 Park which you so often demonstrate beyond just words.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
Here's one of many articles about it. I learned about it from CNN over the 
weekend.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/exposure/2007/woe-christmas-tree-wal-mart-
chinese-sweatshop.html




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That post I made this morning was a joke.  I stayed in a joking mood 
 when I posted about China.  You know I wasn't serious.
 
 And, yes, I will plead ignorance on $.40 an hour 70 hour work week 
 child labor in China on behalf of WalMart.  I've not read about that.
 
 Is there an article somewhere?
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ 
 wrote:
 
  What a wonderful Christian Christmas sentiment.  Merry christmas 
 to all 
  the children who toil in near slavery conditions to make the 
 holiday so 
  nice for Tom.
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
  justifiedright@ wrote:
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
 wrote:
   
And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here on 
 earth 
   so great.
Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas 
 ornaments 
   that are made in 
China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour 
 weeks.
Explain that to us Tommy.
   
   And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen of 
 them.
  
 






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
Jack I fear if I click on a Mother Jones link my Republican 
National Committee card may catch fire right there in my back pocket.

Any other sources?  I checked Google quick and could find a case of 
WalMart getting out of a Bangledesh (I think) factory because of 
child labor.  Not much else on the China problem.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Here's one of many articles about it. I learned about it from CNN 
over the weekend.
 
 http://www.motherjones.com/news/exposure/2007/woe-christmas-tree-
wal-mart-
 chinese-sweatshop.html
 
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  That post I made this morning was a joke.  I stayed in a joking 
mood 
  when I posted about China.  You know I wasn't serious.
  
  And, yes, I will plead ignorance on $.40 an hour 70 hour work 
week 
  child labor in China on behalf of WalMart.  I've not read about 
that.
  
  Is there an article somewhere?
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple 
asburycouple@ 
  wrote:
  
   What a wonderful Christian Christmas sentiment.  Merry 
christmas 
  to all 
   the children who toil in near slavery conditions to make the 
  holiday so 
   nice for Tom.
   
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
   justifiedright@ wrote:
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
  wrote:

 And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here 
on 
  earth 
so great.
 Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas 
  ornaments 
that are made in 
 China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 
hour 
  weeks.
 Explain that to us Tommy.

And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen 
of 
  them.
   
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Credit where it is due

2007-12-21 Thread asburycouple
Have a number or an email?  I'll be happy to call or shoot a note.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks and say a prayer I can get it done.
 
 Also, please call the BOE and Cowell and demand that $65K that John 
 Moor/Frank D/ and Danny McKee turned up.  
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ 
 wrote:
 
  On a totally seperate but related note, Tom thank you for once 
again 
  stepping in to a local issue and giving of yourself to do the 
right 
  thing.  I just got the note on the AP Little League and I for one 
 want 
  to thank you for jumping in pro-bono on this issue.  While I so 
 often 
  don't agree with you I do applaud your continued commitment to 
 Asbury 
  Park which you so often demonstrate beyond just words.
 





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jersey Shore John

And that's why your values are so cheap you're able to be bought.

On Dec 21, 2007, at 9:55 AM, justifiedright wrote:


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here on earth
so great.
 Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas ornaments
that are made in
 China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour weeks.
 Explain that to us Tommy.

And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen of them.







[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
Now John... It's already been established that this sort of joke is 
not funny and won't be tolerated.  It hurts feelings and makes 
people upset.

It even causes some to encounter uncontrollable bouts of 
alliteration.

Knowing that, I can only assume you posted that to make me upset.

You should apologize.




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 To
 All My Republic Friends:
 
 Please accept with my best wishes for an religiously exclusive,  
 socially irresponsible, high-stress, war-addictive, gender-
specific  
 celebration of the the springtime birth of Jesus in the winter,  
 practiced within the most unenjoyable traditions of religious  
 persecution, mass consumption and soul-crushing capitalism with 
no  
 respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of  
 others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular  
 traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally irresponible,  
 personally destructive and medically unafforable recognition of 
the  
 onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but without 
due  
 respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose  
 contributions to society have helped make America great. And 
wishes  
 to continue to live in the delusion that America is greater than 
any  
 other country in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is made 
with  
 extreme exclusion and prejudice to the race, creed, color, age,  
 physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the 
wishee.
 
 To
 
 All My Democratic Friends:
 
 Only 396 days until the end of the Chimp's Unitary Presidency.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Credit where it is due

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
Asbury Park Board of Education
407 Lake Avenue, Asbury Park, NJ 07712
Phone: (732) 776-2606
Fax: (732) 774-8067




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Have a number or an email?  I'll be happy to call or shoot a note.
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  Thanks and say a prayer I can get it done.
  
  Also, please call the BOE and Cowell and demand that $65K that 
John 
  Moor/Frank D/ and Danny McKee turned up.  
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple 
asburycouple@ 
  wrote:
  
   On a totally seperate but related note, Tom thank you for once 
 again 
   stepping in to a local issue and giving of yourself to do the 
 right 
   thing.  I just got the note on the AP Little League and I for 
one 
  want 
   to thank you for jumping in pro-bono on this issue.  While I 
so 
  often 
   don't agree with you I do applaud your continued commitment to 
  Asbury 
   Park which you so often demonstrate beyond just words.
  
 





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jersey Shore John

To
All My Republic Friends:

Please accept with my best wishes for an religiously exclusive,  
socially irresponsible, high-stress, war-addictive, gender-specific  
celebration of the the springtime birth of Jesus in the winter,  
practiced within the most unenjoyable traditions of religious  
persecution, mass consumption and soul-crushing capitalism with no  
respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of  
others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular  
traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally irresponible,  
personally destructive and medically unafforable recognition of the  
onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but without due  
respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose  
contributions to society have helped make America great. And wishes  
to continue to live in the delusion that America is greater than any  
other country in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is made with  
extreme exclusion and prejudice to the race, creed, color, age,  
physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the wishee.


To

All My Democratic Friends:

Only 396 days until the end of the Chimp's Unitary Presidency.

[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS184880+07-Dec-2007+PRN20071207

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jack I fear if I click on a Mother Jones link my Republican 
 National Committee card may catch fire right there in my back pocket.
 
 Any other sources?  I checked Google quick and could find a case of 
 WalMart getting out of a Bangledesh (I think) factory because of 
 child labor.  Not much else on the China problem.
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  Here's one of many articles about it. I learned about it from CNN 
 over the weekend.
  
  http://www.motherjones.com/news/exposure/2007/woe-christmas-tree-
 wal-mart-
  chinese-sweatshop.html
  
  
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
  
   That post I made this morning was a joke.  I stayed in a joking 
 mood 
   when I posted about China.  You know I wasn't serious.
   
   And, yes, I will plead ignorance on $.40 an hour 70 hour work 
 week 
   child labor in China on behalf of WalMart.  I've not read about 
 that.
   
   Is there an article somewhere?
   
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple 
 asburycouple@ 
   wrote:
   
What a wonderful Christian Christmas sentiment.  Merry 
 christmas 
   to all 
the children who toil in near slavery conditions to make the 
   holiday so 
nice for Tom.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
justifiedright@ wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
   wrote:
 
  And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here 
 on 
   earth 
 so great.
  Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas 
   ornaments 
 that are made in 
  China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 
 hour 
   weeks.
  Explain that to us Tommy.
 
 And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen 
 of 
   them.

   
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
...celebration of the the springtime birth of Jesus in the winter...

(Thought that part was funny though!)



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 To
 All My Republic Friends:
 
 Please accept with my best wishes for an religiously exclusive,  
 socially irresponsible, high-stress, war-addictive, gender-
specific  
 celebration of the the springtime birth of Jesus in the winter,  
 practiced within the most unenjoyable traditions of religious  
 persecution, mass consumption and soul-crushing capitalism with 
no  
 respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of  
 others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular  
 traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally irresponible,  
 personally destructive and medically unafforable recognition of 
the  
 onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but without 
due  
 respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose  
 contributions to society have helped make America great. And 
wishes  
 to continue to live in the delusion that America is greater than 
any  
 other country in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is made 
with  
 extreme exclusion and prejudice to the race, creed, color, age,  
 physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the 
wishee.
 
 To
 
 All My Democratic Friends:
 
 Only 396 days until the end of the Chimp's Unitary Presidency.





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jersey Shore John

But it was SO FUNNY! RIGHT? JUST A JOKE! HAHAHAHAHA!

On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:38 PM, justifiedright wrote:


John I think your sarcasm detector is broken. You can't seem to
identify any.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 But it was SO FUNNY! RIGHT? JUST A JOKE! HAHAHAHAHA!

 On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:12 PM, justifiedright wrote:

  Now John... It's already been established that this sort of joke
is
  not funny and won't be tolerated. It hurts feelings and makes
  people upset.
 
  It even causes some to encounter uncontrollable bouts of
  alliteration.
 
  Knowing that, I can only assume you posted that to make me upset.
 
  You should apologize.
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
  jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
  
   To
   All My Republic Friends:
  
   Please accept with my best wishes for an religiously exclusive,
   socially irresponsible, high-stress, war-addictive, gender-
  specific
   celebration of the the springtime birth of Jesus in the winter,
   practiced within the most unenjoyable traditions of religious
   persecution, mass consumption and soul-crushing capitalism with
  no
   respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions
of
   others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular
   traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally irresponible,
   personally destructive and medically unafforable recognition of
  the
   onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but without
  due
   respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose
   contributions to society have helped make America great. And
  wishes
   to continue to live in the delusion that America is greater
than
  any
   other country in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is
made
  with
   extreme exclusion and prejudice to the race, creed, color, age,
   physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the
  wishee.
  
   To
  
   All My Democratic Friends:
  
   Only 396 days until the end of the Chimp's Unitary Presidency.
  
 
 
 








Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jersey Shore John

But it was SO FUNNY! RIGHT? JUST A JOKE! HAHAHAHAHA!

On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:12 PM, justifiedright wrote:


Now John... It's already been established that this sort of joke is
not funny and won't be tolerated. It hurts feelings and makes
people upset.

It even causes some to encounter uncontrollable bouts of
alliteration.

Knowing that, I can only assume you posted that to make me upset.

You should apologize.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 To
 All My Republic Friends:

 Please accept with my best wishes for an religiously exclusive,
 socially irresponsible, high-stress, war-addictive, gender-
specific
 celebration of the the springtime birth of Jesus in the winter,
 practiced within the most unenjoyable traditions of religious
 persecution, mass consumption and soul-crushing capitalism with
no
 respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of
 others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular
 traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally irresponible,
 personally destructive and medically unafforable recognition of
the
 onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but without
due
 respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose
 contributions to society have helped make America great. And
wishes
 to continue to live in the delusion that America is greater than
any
 other country in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is made
with
 extreme exclusion and prejudice to the race, creed, color, age,
 physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the
wishee.

 To

 All My Democratic Friends:

 Only 396 days until the end of the Chimp's Unitary Presidency.








[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
John I think your sarcasm detector is broken.  You can't seem to 
identify any.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 But it was SO FUNNY! RIGHT? JUST A JOKE! HAHAHAHAHA!
 
 On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:12 PM, justifiedright wrote:
 
  Now John... It's already been established that this sort of joke 
is
  not funny and won't be tolerated. It hurts feelings and makes
  people upset.
 
  It even causes some to encounter uncontrollable bouts of
  alliteration.
 
  Knowing that, I can only assume you posted that to make me upset.
 
  You should apologize.
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
  jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
  
   To
   All My Republic Friends:
  
   Please accept with my best wishes for an religiously exclusive,
   socially irresponsible, high-stress, war-addictive, gender-
  specific
   celebration of the the springtime birth of Jesus in the winter,
   practiced within the most unenjoyable traditions of religious
   persecution, mass consumption and soul-crushing capitalism with
  no
   respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions 
of
   others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular
   traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally irresponible,
   personally destructive and medically unafforable recognition of
  the
   onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but without
  due
   respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose
   contributions to society have helped make America great. And
  wishes
   to continue to live in the delusion that America is greater 
than
  any
   other country in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is 
made
  with
   extreme exclusion and prejudice to the race, creed, color, age,
   physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the
  wishee.
  
   To
  
   All My Democratic Friends:
  
   Only 396 days until the end of the Chimp's Unitary Presidency.
  
 
 
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Haste Makes Waste.....

2007-12-21 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Never knew they were at the Baronet.  Wonder what year that  was? 
If in the 
 seventies, you're right, barely alive.  lol.

It was the early 1960's when I saw them when their last movie came out
(1962-08-01 87 min. THREE STOOGES IN ORBIT)

 
 me at the Baronet, and Jesus Christ Superstar at the Paramount.   

Saw that here. Was about 1970-71?




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Dogs

2007-12-21 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Probably the most difficult thing to overcome with a new dog in the
house, besides 
 housebreak, is separation anxiety.


not for me. I can leave him. I just don't think it's fair to the guy.

So far, he's had me at the airport (for him, not me), PetSmart, Petco,
 the vet. 

Seperation anxiety? Yea, soon I'll need a shrink for letting my KIDS
get a dog. NOT me.

Please don't tell me I'll fall in love with him, regardless to his
cuteness.

Good thing there's there's not many people around me. Who needs to see
me out in 40 degree barefoot and in shorts running the yard?

Pics coming soon. 



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
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 That post I made this morning was a joke.  I stayed in a joking mood 
 when I posted about China.  You know I wasn't serious.
 
 And, yes, I will plead ignorance on $.40 an hour 70 hour work week 
 child labor in China on behalf of WalMart.  I've not read about that.
 
 Is there an article somewhere?

Yeah but those kids get universal health care.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
This is a total non-sequitur, but besides the joke that is our healthcare 
system, i'm blown 
away by the whole thing about CA./Schwatzneger and 13 other states considering 
suing 
the EPA because of the slow pace of their plan to change emmision ratings 
quicker. GW 
just doesn't get it by defending the EPA. He'll stick to his guns no matter how 
much logic 
is placed before him. He's a swell guy.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
 justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  That post I made this morning was a joke.  I stayed in a joking mood 
  when I posted about China.  You know I wasn't serious.
  
  And, yes, I will plead ignorance on $.40 an hour 70 hour work week 
  child labor in China on behalf of WalMart.  I've not read about that.
  
  Is there an article somewhere?
 
 Yeah but those kids get universal health care.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Dogs

2007-12-21 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey, if it doesn't work out you can pawn him off on me.
 

thanks.

my sister first.

dd



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Dogs

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
Hey, if it doesn't work out you can pawn him off on me.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  Probably the most difficult thing to overcome with a new dog in the
 house, besides 
  housebreak, is separation anxiety.
 
 
 not for me. I can leave him. I just don't think it's fair to the guy.
 
 So far, he's had me at the airport (for him, not me), PetSmart, Petco,
  the vet. 
 
 Seperation anxiety? Yea, soon I'll need a shrink for letting my KIDS
 get a dog. NOT me.
 
 Please don't tell me I'll fall in love with him, regardless to his
 cuteness.
 
 Good thing there's there's not many people around me. Who needs to see
 me out in 40 degree barefoot and in shorts running the yard?
 
 Pics coming soon.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
I'm still waiting for a conservative, or somebody, to explain to me how the 
concept of 
Xmas, God and a sweatshop in China co-relate.
I really need somebody who is religious to explain that in a world overseen by 
a god how 
something like that could happen.
That's the non-funny part.
But people like to avoid thinking about things like this.
I recently went in search of a hooded sweatshirt to replace my stolen one. I 
went to Old 
Navy and noticed that virtually every single item of clothing came from a 
country known 
for sweatshop practices. All around me, people are buying like crazy, and I 
feel like an 
outsider because i'm aware of the label.
Isn't there something deeply wrong with this picture?
We are basically funding things that violate humane rights, but because of the 
almighty 
dollar, it's easy to overlook reality.
That being said, if conservatives want to laugh at me for that kind of thinking 
they can go 
f themselves. Sorry to sound harsh, but that's truly the way I feel.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thought we made it past this but..yes, yes it was funny.
 
 And enlightening.  From the response it got here, I think there may 
 be more truth to it than joke.  Now I see why conservatives think 
 its so funny.
 
 I think I'll cut and paste the response it got here and send them 
 back to the guy who sent it to me.
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
 jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
 
  But it was SO FUNNY! RIGHT? JUST A JOKE! HAHAHAHAHA!
  
  On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:38 PM, justifiedright wrote:
  
   John I think your sarcasm detector is broken. You can't seem to
   identify any.
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
   jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
   
But it was SO FUNNY! RIGHT? JUST A JOKE! HAHAHAHAHA!
   
On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:12 PM, justifiedright wrote:
   
 Now John... It's already been established that this sort of 
 joke
   is
 not funny and won't be tolerated. It hurts feelings and makes
 people upset.

 It even causes some to encounter uncontrollable bouts of
 alliteration.

 Knowing that, I can only assume you posted that to make me 
 upset.

 You should apologize.

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
 jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
 
  To
  All My Republic Friends:
 
  Please accept with my best wishes for an religiously 
 exclusive,
  socially irresponsible, high-stress, war-addictive, gender-
 specific
  celebration of the the springtime birth of Jesus in the 
 winter,
  practiced within the most unenjoyable traditions of 
 religious
  persecution, mass consumption and soul-crushing capitalism 
 with
 no
  respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or 
 traditions
   of
  others, or their choice not to practice religious or 
 secular
  traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally irresponible,
  personally destructive and medically unafforable 
 recognition of
 the
  onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but 
 without
 due
  respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose
  contributions to society have helped make America great. 
 And
 wishes
  to continue to live in the delusion that America is greater
   than
 any
  other country in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is
   made
 with
  extreme exclusion and prejudice to the race, creed, color, 
 age,
  physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of 
 the
 wishee.
 
  To
 
  All My Democratic Friends:
 
  Only 396 days until the end of the Chimp's Unitary 
 Presidency.
 



   
  
  
  
 






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
Thought we made it past this but..yes, yes it was funny.

And enlightening.  From the response it got here, I think there may 
be more truth to it than joke.  Now I see why conservatives think 
its so funny.

I think I'll cut and paste the response it got here and send them 
back to the guy who sent it to me.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 But it was SO FUNNY! RIGHT? JUST A JOKE! HAHAHAHAHA!
 
 On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:38 PM, justifiedright wrote:
 
  John I think your sarcasm detector is broken. You can't seem to
  identify any.
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
  jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
  
   But it was SO FUNNY! RIGHT? JUST A JOKE! HAHAHAHAHA!
  
   On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:12 PM, justifiedright wrote:
  
Now John... It's already been established that this sort of 
joke
  is
not funny and won't be tolerated. It hurts feelings and makes
people upset.
   
It even causes some to encounter uncontrollable bouts of
alliteration.
   
Knowing that, I can only assume you posted that to make me 
upset.
   
You should apologize.
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:

 To
 All My Republic Friends:

 Please accept with my best wishes for an religiously 
exclusive,
 socially irresponsible, high-stress, war-addictive, gender-
specific
 celebration of the the springtime birth of Jesus in the 
winter,
 practiced within the most unenjoyable traditions of 
religious
 persecution, mass consumption and soul-crushing capitalism 
with
no
 respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or 
traditions
  of
 others, or their choice not to practice religious or 
secular
 traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally irresponible,
 personally destructive and medically unafforable 
recognition of
the
 onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but 
without
due
 respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose
 contributions to society have helped make America great. 
And
wishes
 to continue to live in the delusion that America is greater
  than
any
 other country in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is
  made
with
 extreme exclusion and prejudice to the race, creed, color, 
age,
 physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of 
the
wishee.

 To

 All My Democratic Friends:

 Only 396 days until the end of the Chimp's Unitary 
Presidency.

   
   
   
  
 
 
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread asburycouple
Jack, believe it or not products made in Cambodia are better to buy 
from based on an article I was reading the other day.  While Cambodia 
still has low priced labor vs. the US and many other industrialized 
countries they have chosen to differentiate themselves vs. others 
like China by treating their workers more fairly, paying a living 
wage and not allowing things like child labor and sweat shops.  





--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm still waiting for a conservative, or somebody, to explain to me 
how the concept of 
 Xmas, God and a sweatshop in China co-relate.
 I really need somebody who is religious to explain that in a world 
overseen by a god how 
 something like that could happen.
 That's the non-funny part.
 But people like to avoid thinking about things like this.
 I recently went in search of a hooded sweatshirt to replace my 
stolen one. I went to Old 
 Navy and noticed that virtually every single item of clothing came 
from a country known 
 for sweatshop practices. All around me, people are buying like 
crazy, and I feel like an 
 outsider because i'm aware of the label.
 Isn't there something deeply wrong with this picture?
 We are basically funding things that violate humane rights, but 
because of the almighty 
 dollar, it's easy to overlook reality.
 That being said, if conservatives want to laugh at me for that kind 
of thinking they can go 
 f themselves. Sorry to sound harsh, but that's truly the way I feel.
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  Thought we made it past this but..yes, yes it was funny.
  
  And enlightening.  From the response it got here, I think there 
may 
  be more truth to it than joke.  Now I see why conservatives 
think 
  its so funny.
  
  I think I'll cut and paste the response it got here and send them 
  back to the guy who sent it to me.
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
  jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
  
   But it was SO FUNNY! RIGHT? JUST A JOKE! HAHAHAHAHA!
   
   On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:38 PM, justifiedright wrote:
   
John I think your sarcasm detector is broken. You can't seem 
to
identify any.
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:

 But it was SO FUNNY! RIGHT? JUST A JOKE! HAHAHAHAHA!

 On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:12 PM, justifiedright wrote:

  Now John... It's already been established that this sort 
of 
  joke
is
  not funny and won't be tolerated. It hurts feelings and 
makes
  people upset.
 
  It even causes some to encounter uncontrollable bouts of
  alliteration.
 
  Knowing that, I can only assume you posted that to make 
me 
  upset.
 
  You should apologize.
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
  jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
  
   To
   All My Republic Friends:
  
   Please accept with my best wishes for an religiously 
  exclusive,
   socially irresponsible, high-stress, war-addictive, 
gender-
  specific
   celebration of the the springtime birth of Jesus in the 
  winter,
   practiced within the most unenjoyable traditions of 
  religious
   persecution, mass consumption and soul-crushing 
capitalism 
  with
  no
   respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or 
  traditions
of
   others, or their choice not to practice religious or 
  secular
   traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally 
irresponible,
   personally destructive and medically unafforable 
  recognition of
  the
   onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but 
  without
  due
   respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures 
whose
   contributions to society have helped make America 
great. 
  And
  wishes
   to continue to live in the delusion that America is 
greater
than
  any
   other country in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this 
wish is
made
  with
   extreme exclusion and prejudice to the race, creed, 
color, 
  age,
   physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference 
of 
  the
  wishee.
  
   To
  
   All My Democratic Friends:
  
   Only 396 days until the end of the Chimp's Unitary 
  Presidency.
  
 
 
 

   
   
   
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
I've heard that.
It really bugs me that we gave away virtually all of our manufacturing to other 
countries.
Even worse, I heard a thing on NPR recently talking about how Honduras has 
become the 
center for sock production world wide. The US used to be the leader in this. 
But, the 
problem for Honduras is that because of free trade agreements, they've made a 
huge 
investment into the sock manufacturing market, and they are about to lose that 
to China 
as well because of upcoming dates and changes within the free trade agreements. 
Terrible.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jack, believe it or not products made in Cambodia are better to buy 
 from based on an article I was reading the other day.  While Cambodia 
 still has low priced labor vs. the US and many other industrialized 
 countries they have chosen to differentiate themselves vs. others 
 like China by treating their workers more fairly, paying a living 
 wage and not allowing things like child labor and sweat shops.  
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  I'm still waiting for a conservative, or somebody, to explain to me 
 how the concept of 
  Xmas, God and a sweatshop in China co-relate.
  I really need somebody who is religious to explain that in a world 
 overseen by a god how 
  something like that could happen.
  That's the non-funny part.
  But people like to avoid thinking about things like this.
  I recently went in search of a hooded sweatshirt to replace my 
 stolen one. I went to Old 
  Navy and noticed that virtually every single item of clothing came 
 from a country known 
  for sweatshop practices. All around me, people are buying like 
 crazy, and I feel like an 
  outsider because i'm aware of the label.
  Isn't there something deeply wrong with this picture?
  We are basically funding things that violate humane rights, but 
 because of the almighty 
  dollar, it's easy to overlook reality.
  That being said, if conservatives want to laugh at me for that kind 
 of thinking they can go 
  f themselves. Sorry to sound harsh, but that's truly the way I feel.
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
  
   Thought we made it past this but..yes, yes it was funny.
   
   And enlightening.  From the response it got here, I think there 
 may 
   be more truth to it than joke.  Now I see why conservatives 
 think 
   its so funny.
   
   I think I'll cut and paste the response it got here and send them 
   back to the guy who sent it to me.
   
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
   jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
   
But it was SO FUNNY! RIGHT? JUST A JOKE! HAHAHAHAHA!

On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:38 PM, justifiedright wrote:

 John I think your sarcasm detector is broken. You can't seem 
 to
 identify any.

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
 jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
 
  But it was SO FUNNY! RIGHT? JUST A JOKE! HAHAHAHAHA!
 
  On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:12 PM, justifiedright wrote:
 
   Now John... It's already been established that this sort 
 of 
   joke
 is
   not funny and won't be tolerated. It hurts feelings and 
 makes
   people upset.
  
   It even causes some to encounter uncontrollable bouts of
   alliteration.
  
   Knowing that, I can only assume you posted that to make 
 me 
   upset.
  
   You should apologize.
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
   jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
   
To
All My Republic Friends:
   
Please accept with my best wishes for an religiously 
   exclusive,
socially irresponsible, high-stress, war-addictive, 
 gender-
   specific
celebration of the the springtime birth of Jesus in the 
   winter,
practiced within the most unenjoyable traditions of 
   religious
persecution, mass consumption and soul-crushing 
 capitalism 
   with
   no
respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or 
   traditions
 of
others, or their choice not to practice religious or 
   secular
traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally 
 irresponible,
personally destructive and medically unafforable 
   recognition of
   the
onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but 
   without
   due
respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures 
 whose
contributions to society have helped make America 
 great. 
   And
   wishes
to continue to live in the delusion that America is 
 greater
 than
   any
other country in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this 
 wish is
 made
   with
extreme exclusion and prejudice to the race, creed, 
 color, 
   age,
physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference 
 of 
   the
   wishee.
   
To

[AsburyPark] Re: Dogs

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
Just stick with it. It's worth the effort. In no time at all, you will have a 
best friend that will 
never, ever, let you down.
Dogs are kinda like having a perpetual 6 yr. old. Now, I know that sounds 
frightening to 
some, but the intelligence of dogs has been compared to that of a human 6 yr. 
old, accept 
dogs have a kind of empathy that 6 yr. olds lack. It's hard to explain, but if 
you are a dog 
owner i'm sure you know what I mean.

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  Hey, if it doesn't work out you can pawn him off on me.
  
 
 thanks.
 
 my sister first.
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Dogs

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
Just stick with it. It's worth the effort. In no time at all, you will have a 
best friend that will 
never, ever, let you down.
Dogs are kinda like having a perpetual 6 yr. old. Now, I know that sounds 
frightening to 
some, but the intelligence of dogs has been compared to that of a human 6 yr. 
old, accept 
dogs have a kind of empathy that 6 yr. olds lack. It's hard to explain, but if 
you are a dog 
owner i'm sure you know what I mean.

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  Hey, if it doesn't work out you can pawn him off on me.
  
 
 thanks.
 
 my sister first.
 
 dd






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Dogs

2007-12-21 Thread dfsavgny
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 You can cage train him until he is fully housebroken, and then it 
 should be OK to give him the run of the house.

I tried that but I cannot see an animal in a cage, unless they only
have two legs.

I do it by keeping them in one room, say the kitchen, using gates. Buy
puppy pads from Petsmart. They attract them to use them. Sort of the
same idea with paper and then you bring the paper outside when they
are ready.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Sweatshops

2007-12-21 Thread oakdorf
 paul, you're taking the retailers response that they are doing
good for those countries.

While that may be true the fact is they do work extended hours and is
near forced labor in many cases. There are plenty of guys that travel
the world seeking the cheapest sources. Many of them are here in the
summer. We all buy the stuff and typically overpay.

I don't know what's right or wrong, other then we should be able to
print a single piece of paper here in the US instead of mexico or
china or indonesia. As proven again with the lead paint in everything
- there is alot that goes unchecked or checked and bribed away. So how
many of those workers may have some type of lead poisioning? Or lung
cancer? Education? 

Yea, it is pretty good here in America. We provide alot of things here
to those less fortunate, SOME of who take advantage of it or abuse the
system, refuse to work or have NO incentive to go to work because the
pay isn't as good vs remaining home. It's an ugly cycle.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Editorial from Paramount

2007-12-21 Thread oakdorf
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 North Beach moving ahead
 

They SHOULD hire a GOOD Pr firm and REALLY take advantage of Metro's
stoppage.

Maybe they didn't need it, but I did stop in that Monday and remind
them to take advantage. At least they are built have a few many sold
and more to sell.

I 'm including N. Beach as part of MY Proforma for 2008. I'd be happy
with a couple sales from there. 

Watch for an announcement from asburyparkrealestate.com and a new site
for 2008.

Maybe if Geible releases the money Metro is holding, some of those
people might be able to enjoy themselves at N. Beach. At n beach, you
have a wider choice of finsishes for the interior, not the take it or
leave it. 

Sales and receptionist are also real nice there as well. The two Carolyns.





 
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[AsburyPark] HOV

2007-12-21 Thread oakdorf
While HOV stock continues to slide to under $7, they also continue to
BUILD most projects they started. Maybe they'll build their way out of
it or merge. 




 
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[AsburyPark] Editorial from Paramount

2007-12-21 Thread dfsavgny
North Beach moving ahead

As a vital component in the redevelopment of Asbury Park and the first
builder to break ground on oceanfront housing construction, Paramount
Homes is in a position to offer an accurate account of the city's
ongoing progress, as well as to reaffirm our powerful commitment to
its continued positive growth.

During this past summer, the many homeowners who have already taken
occupancy at our North Beach condominium community witnessed a
reinvigorated boardwalk area teeming with beachgoers and vacationers -
a clear indication of the city's return to seasonal vibrancy. Those
same homeowners also saw significant commercial improvements, such as
the remodeling of Convention Hall and the Paramount Theater and a new
restaurant at the site of the former Howard Johnson's. Further,
deteriorating portions of the Casino building have been demolished to
make way for a new entertainment complex. Major improvements to the
landscaping of the oceanfront area and surrounding pavilions have been
facilitated.

Having frequented Asbury Park beaches during their childhood, many
homeowners have an acute point of reference in regard to the progress
being made. Indeed, they may cite not only the improvements I have
outlined, but can also sense the city is on the right track toward
recapturing its historic allure both as a summer resort and a
year-round place to call home. These residents have validated their
hopes for the future of Asbury Park by purchasing at North Beach when
they could have opted for myriad other locations along the Jersey Shore.

Paramount Homes is forging ahead with improvements of our own,
including a new Sales and Information Center, as well as completion of
the amenities spaces in the Monterey building. We are actively
pursuing development approvals for the next phase of North Beach,
which will include construction on a neighboring block.

We wouldn't be making such strong commitments if we were not convinced
that Asbury Park is destined to recapture its proud status as The
Crown Jewel of the Jersey Shore.

Jeffrey Fernbach
PRESIDENT
PARAMOUNT HOMES
JACKSON



 
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[AsburyPark] Sweatshops

2007-12-21 Thread Paul Vail
I am going to weigh in on the subject of sweatshops here.  I have a 
slightly different insight into this particular subject because I 
lived and did business in southeast asia for about 15 years, primarily 
Indonesia, Taiwan and Thailand.  In all of these countries, I saw some 
pretty appalling factory conditions.  However, it is very important to 
keep perspective.  These factories offer OPPORTUNITIES for the people 
who work there.  They actually IMPROVE the lives of the majority of 
people who work in them.  But to know this, you have to understand 
where the people who work in them actually come from.

Factory workers largely come from the overcrowded countryside which no 
longer offers even subsistence living.

Without these factories, there would be mass starvation in countries 
like China and Vietnam.  From our comfortable American vantage point 
it may seem brutal but don't be fooled.  Because of it, China now has 
a burgeononing middle class where there once was nothing.  Quality of 
life in that country grows by leaps and bounds.  The United States 
made this possible.  The Chinese LAUGH at American concerns over 
factory conditions there.  

For the most part, factories producing goods destined for the US are 
the good ones.  People line up to work in these factories.  They are 
considered PLUM.

The real reason that companies like Walmart and Nike and a few others 
are targeted for alleged labor abuse is because they have deep pockets.

If you really want to improve the lives of hundreds of millions of 
people, find a way to pressure China to release its grip on North 
Korea and Burma.  Those two countries can only wish for sweatshops at 
this point.
















 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Haste Makes Waste.....

2007-12-21 Thread MarioAPNJ
 
In a message dated 12/21/2007 1:31:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

It was  the early 1960's when I saw them when their last movie came out
(1962-08-01  87 min. THREE STOOGES IN ORBIT)


 
 
I was reacting to the live performance mentioned in the article:
 
The city has taken a handful of properties so far, but none was ever  host 
to the Three Stooges, live -- as the Baronet once  was -- or provoked so many 
people to protest at council  meetings.



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[AsburyPark] Re: Dogs

2007-12-21 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just stick with it. It's worth the effort. In no time at all, you
will have a best friend that will 
 never, ever, let you down.

I won't say I like dogs better than people but,

my dog never argues with me,
never asks for money,
never complains about me not being romantic,
doesn't buy many clothes,
and is always there to greet me at the door no matter how late I come
home.

The worse thing I could say is that he always wants me to take my
socks off so he can run around with them.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Editorial from Paramount

2007-12-21 Thread asburycouple
What a great statement of support and perspective.  With all the 
negativity around the other two developments/developers, Partners, 
etc., they just quietly continue to move forward and do a great job.  





--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 North Beach moving ahead
 
 As a vital component in the redevelopment of Asbury Park and the 
first
 builder to break ground on oceanfront housing construction, 
Paramount
 Homes is in a position to offer an accurate account of the city's
 ongoing progress, as well as to reaffirm our powerful commitment to
 its continued positive growth.
 
 During this past summer, the many homeowners who have already taken
 occupancy at our North Beach condominium community witnessed a
 reinvigorated boardwalk area teeming with beachgoers and 
vacationers -
 a clear indication of the city's return to seasonal vibrancy. Those
 same homeowners also saw significant commercial improvements, such 
as
 the remodeling of Convention Hall and the Paramount Theater and a 
new
 restaurant at the site of the former Howard Johnson's. Further,
 deteriorating portions of the Casino building have been demolished 
to
 make way for a new entertainment complex. Major improvements to the
 landscaping of the oceanfront area and surrounding pavilions have 
been
 facilitated.
 
 Having frequented Asbury Park beaches during their childhood, many
 homeowners have an acute point of reference in regard to the 
progress
 being made. Indeed, they may cite not only the improvements I have
 outlined, but can also sense the city is on the right track toward
 recapturing its historic allure both as a summer resort and a
 year-round place to call home. These residents have validated their
 hopes for the future of Asbury Park by purchasing at North Beach 
when
 they could have opted for myriad other locations along the Jersey 
Shore.
 
 Paramount Homes is forging ahead with improvements of our own,
 including a new Sales and Information Center, as well as completion 
of
 the amenities spaces in the Monterey building. We are actively
 pursuing development approvals for the next phase of North Beach,
 which will include construction on a neighboring block.
 
 We wouldn't be making such strong commitments if we were not 
convinced
 that Asbury Park is destined to recapture its proud status as The
 Crown Jewel of the Jersey Shore.
 
 Jeffrey Fernbach
 PRESIDENT
 PARAMOUNT HOMES
 JACKSON





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Editorial from Paramount

2007-12-21 Thread dfsavgny
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 They SHOULD hire a GOOD Pr firm and REALLY take advantage of Metro's
 stoppage.

I got JC considering Metro




 
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[AsburyPark] rear-ended

2007-12-21 Thread MarioAPNJ
As I was turning into my driveway this afternoon, about 2 PM, I was  
rear-ended by someone who first tried to pass on my right, then couldn't stop  
because 
of the rain slick.  Knocked me into the curb and sped away down  Pine St.
 
Hit and run.
 
Just in case anyone spots in your neighborhood a parked dark van with  plates 
( white background, red trim and lettering, possibly North  Carolina)  WWK- 
3836 -- consider reporting it to the police.  They  have the report and will be 
looking for the vehicle also.  
 
Thanx



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[AsburyPark] Re: rear-ended

2007-12-21 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hopefully they don't have GEICO. 

I was hit back in OCt and took til yesterday to get a check. Even with
a police report, Geico jerked me around. We haven't been able to get
i touch with our insured...we have 30 days...

Amazing what a call to the NJ Dept of Insurance does. Two days later
got a check. At least partial.



 
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[AsburyPark] BOE article

2007-12-21 Thread oakdorf
in today's APP.

You can't run a business office with an $80 million budget with a
couple of people, he said. (The new monitor)

Frank, isn't the budget around $100m, the $80m coming from the state?


Business Administrator Aiman Mahmoud leaves in January for the same
job in the larger Hillsborough school district. In the meantime, the
board voted to hire James H. Cummings, an experienced school
administrator in Ocean County, as the interim business administrator
and board secretary at a salary of $600 per day.

Other good points in the article included eliminating positions
(assuming they were not needed) and he creation of new business
related positions.

Thats a step in the right direction to better MANAGE the BUSINESS of
education. IT;s a business. So is running a muni. They both must be
managed as one, especially since one is in dire need of funding and
one needs to better utilize their funding.

It's not jsut AP. It's the business of education and goverment that
has to be run more effectively.

Maybe we could EXPORT the processing of taxes or collections or typing
to a factory in China. Don't laugh. I worked on a few projects (call
centers etc) whose goal was to move that out of US. 

I'm not a nice guy, because I  didn't go with the flow' and agree to it.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Sweatshops

2007-12-21 Thread Paul Vail
The retailers are correct.  The Asian ecomies are the fastest 
growing in the world because of America's appetite for inexpensive 
Asian made products.

True slave labor exists in countries like Burma and North Korea, not 
in free Asia.  This is where the gutsy human rights activists focus 
their energies.  The psuedo activisists that go around pointing 
fingers at succesful American Companies often have an agenda that 
has little to do with improving the lives of factory workers.








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  paul, you're taking the retailers response that they are doing
 good for those countries.
 
 While that may be true the fact is they do work extended hours and 
is
 near forced labor in many cases. There are plenty of guys that 
travel
 the world seeking the cheapest sources. Many of them are here in 
the
 summer. We all buy the stuff and typically overpay.
 
 I don't know what's right or wrong, other then we should be able to
 print a single piece of paper here in the US instead of mexico or
 china or indonesia. As proven again with the lead paint in 
everything
 - there is alot that goes unchecked or checked and bribed away. So 
how
 many of those workers may have some type of lead poisioning? Or 
lung
 cancer? Education? 
 
 Yea, it is pretty good here in America. We provide alot of things 
here
 to those less fortunate, SOME of who take advantage of it or abuse 
the
 system, refuse to work or have NO incentive to go to work because 
the
 pay isn't as good vs remaining home. It's an ugly cycle.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Dogs

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
I've said dogs are better then people many times...

To add to your list;

My dog has a sense of humor and knows how to make me laugh
Hugs me every day when I get home from work
Saved me during the darkest period of my life
Appreciates me no matter what
Knows when I'm feeling down and how to cheer me up



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 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  Just stick with it. It's worth the effort. In no time at all, you
 will have a best friend that will 
  never, ever, let you down.
 
 I won't say I like dogs better than people but,
 
 my dog never argues with me,
 never asks for money,
 never complains about me not being romantic,
 doesn't buy many clothes,
 and is always there to greet me at the door no matter how late I come
 home.
 
 The worse thing I could say is that he always wants me to take my
 socks off so he can run around with them.






 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: rear-ended

2007-12-21 Thread MarioAPNJ
 
In a message dated 12/21/2007 3:01:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

hopefully they don't have GEICO. 


Police suspect they're uninsured to take off like that.  Just got  off phone 
with my Colts Neck Allstate agent who sounds like a mensch  -- I'm allowed one 
forgivable accident   
 
-- doesn't matter whose fault it is (???).
 
so we'll see.



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[AsburyPark] Re: Sweatshops

2007-12-21 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I hope the real estate market picks up soon.
 
 This blogging is getting addictive.
 
 Is there a support group for this, I wonder?
 


For $89.95 a month, email me all you want. I send you back an
automated response or send you a text or call your house or send you
regular junk mail reminding you not to send me any emails or respond
to a blog.

Check or paypal works fine.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Dogs

2007-12-21 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've said dogs are better then people many times...
 
 To add to your list;
 
 My dog has a sense of humor and knows how to make me laugh
 Hugs me every day when I get home from work
 Saved me during the darkest period of my life
 Appreciates me no matter what
 Knows when I'm feeling down and how to cheer me up


That was why I got married 22 years ago, so I thought.



That was why I know have two kids. 

As long as I fund them and kiss their ass, so far the above is true.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Sweatshops

2007-12-21 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 I got home at 1 AM last night from work. 11 pm the last few. And I was
 forced too - money.


I used to do it as well. Merrill  would buy us rolling Rock and Pizza
for those late night Harvard Graphics presentations due the next AM to
show fluff. 

At least when you get home late, you made some $ to eat, for the dog
to eat and your mrs to shop Bloomies.., and for you to have the
mansion of yours in AP ):

We're all in it for the same reason - to eat and provide.

Merry Christmas.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Sweatshops

2007-12-21 Thread Paul Vail
I hope the real estate market picks up soon.

This blogging is getting addictive.

Is there a support group for this, I wonder?


-- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The retailers are correct.  The Asian ecomies are the fastest 
 growing in the world because of America's appetite for inexpensive 
 Asian made products.
 
 True slave labor exists in countries like Burma and North Korea, 
not 
 in free Asia.  This is where the gutsy human rights activists 
focus 
 their energies.  The psuedo activisists that go around pointing 
 fingers at succesful American Companies often have an agenda that 
 has little to do with improving the lives of factory workers.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
 
   paul, you're taking the retailers response that they are 
doing
  good for those countries.
  
  While that may be true the fact is they do work extended hours 
and 
 is
  near forced labor in many cases. There are plenty of guys that 
 travel
  the world seeking the cheapest sources. Many of them are here in 
 the
  summer. We all buy the stuff and typically overpay.
  
  I don't know what's right or wrong, other then we should be able 
to
  print a single piece of paper here in the US instead of mexico or
  china or indonesia. As proven again with the lead paint in 
 everything
  - there is alot that goes unchecked or checked and bribed away. 
So 
 how
  many of those workers may have some type of lead poisioning? Or 
 lung
  cancer? Education? 
  
  Yea, it is pretty good here in America. We provide alot of 
things 
 here
  to those less fortunate, SOME of who take advantage of it or 
abuse 
 the
  system, refuse to work or have NO incentive to go to work 
because 
 the
  pay isn't as good vs remaining home. It's an ugly cycle.
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Sweatshops

2007-12-21 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 While that may be true the fact is they do work extended hours and is
 near forced labor in many cases.

I got home at 1 AM last night from work. 11 pm the last few. And I was
forced too - money.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Sweatshops

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
Paul, 
It's nice to hear an opinion from somebody who has first hand experience on 
this topic.
Your thought about America's appetite really strikes a chord.
Inexpensive. Replaceable.
Here in America, we used to build things that were made to last.
Now we live in a world where most of technology has built in obsolescence, and 
we rarely 
think about the impact of our throw away society.
I heard a report on NPR recently that was really shocking.
There's a little island in the middle of the Pacific, similar to Easter Island, 
which has never 
really had any human contact or visitation at all. It's primary occupants are a 
few species 
of birds that aren't found any place else on the planet.
These birds are now dying off because of plastic.
Plastic that has been dumped into the ocean and drifted to this little island. 
To the birds, it looks like delicious little pieces of food, but it's deadly to 
them.
The source of this dumping and plastic is primarily thought to be the USA 
because it 
consists of pieces of products that are mostly found in the US.
I hate hearing stories like that.
I often wonder how many of us think about the things that we throw away.
There is so much waste in the world today.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The retailers are correct.  The Asian ecomies are the fastest 
 growing in the world because of America's appetite for inexpensive 
 Asian made products.
 
 True slave labor exists in countries like Burma and North Korea, not 
 in free Asia.  This is where the gutsy human rights activists focus 
 their energies.  The psuedo activisists that go around pointing 
 fingers at succesful American Companies often have an agenda that 
 has little to do with improving the lives of factory workers.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
 
   paul, you're taking the retailers response that they are doing
  good for those countries.
  
  While that may be true the fact is they do work extended hours and 
 is
  near forced labor in many cases. There are plenty of guys that 
 travel
  the world seeking the cheapest sources. Many of them are here in 
 the
  summer. We all buy the stuff and typically overpay.
  
  I don't know what's right or wrong, other then we should be able to
  print a single piece of paper here in the US instead of mexico or
  china or indonesia. As proven again with the lead paint in 
 everything
  - there is alot that goes unchecked or checked and bribed away. So 
 how
  many of those workers may have some type of lead poisioning? Or 
 lung
  cancer? Education? 
  
  Yea, it is pretty good here in America. We provide alot of things 
 here
  to those less fortunate, SOME of who take advantage of it or abuse 
 the
  system, refuse to work or have NO incentive to go to work because 
 the
  pay isn't as good vs remaining home. It's an ugly cycle.
 






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: rear-ended

2007-12-21 Thread oakdorf
e uninsured to take off like that.  Just got  off phone 
 with my Colts Neck Allstate agent who sounds like a mensch  -- I'm
allowed one 
 forgivable accident   
  
 -- doesn't matter whose fault it is (???).
  
 so we'll see.
 
 

Funny. I just got an allsate policy as well  - from Colts Neck office.

All those years with NJM virtually no claims.

Within two weeks with allstate:

1. I got hit. She left and I followed her and stopped her. Oh, did I
hit you? She still denys it, regardless of the police report and
witnesses.

2. I forgot to stop at the stop sign outside the Turning Point in Pier
village. according to the office, I blew through it. 

then my daughter got stopped for window tints.

At least the dog...



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Haste Makes Waste.....

2007-12-21 Thread apoojo
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote:
 
  Never knew they were at the Baronet.  Wonder what year that  was? 
 If in the 
  seventies, you're right, barely alive.  lol.
 
 It was the early 1960's when I saw them when their last movie came out
 (1962-08-01 87 min. THREE STOOGES IN ORBIT)
 
  
 i also do not remember them at the baronet, thought it was the 
paramount, same tour and movie as above. they had those space suits 
where the helmets looked like giant fish bowls



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Kevin Brown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm still waiting for a conservative, or somebody, to explain to me 
how the concept of 
 Xmas, God and a sweatshop in China co-relate.
 I really need somebody who is religious to explain that in a world 
overseen by a god how 
 something like that could happen.

That's easy enough to answer.  God gave all authority over to Adam, 
the man, who was tricked by the woman, who was tricked by the snake.

So God gave it to a man - who lost it!  The world now is in the 
auspices of The evil one.

Yet, be of good cheer, because a savior has been born on earth, and 
anew, into the hearts of those who believe.

This is a simple answer, I didn't really feel the need to get so 
complex.

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Sweatshops

2007-12-21 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 For $89.95 a month, email me all you want. I send you back an
 automated response or send you a text or call your house or send you
 regular junk mail reminding you not to send me any emails or respond
 to a blog.
 
 Check or paypal works fine.


Reminds me of a Goodfellas story someone close to me told me years ago.

Back in the 1960's they were in the Copa seeing Jimmy Roselli perform
and were by the telephones accompanying a big mafioso.

Some poor innocent bystander was on the phone trying to get through
his mistress and slammed down the phone, screaming, I pay her rent
and she's never home to answer the phone.

The biggie wisecracks to the guy, give me $50 a week and I'll call
you twice a day.

The bystander gets pissed and takes a swing at the gangster. I guess
you know the ending.
 



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Haste Makes Waste.....

2007-12-21 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Going to a movie was much more of an event then 
 what it's become. I miss those days...

I valued most of the properties for the 42nd Street Redevelopment
Project. Now talk about going to the movies being an event! You had to
see what was in those places even at 9 AM. I've paid my dues.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Haste Makes Waste.....

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
Did you ever go to the Eatontown Circle Cinema before that got torn down to 
make way 
for a Cluck U Chicken Place?
Back in the 70's, besides showing Earthquake in Sensaround, they also used to 
do news 
reels and occasional variety shows. Going to a movie was much more of an event 
then 
what it's become. I miss those days...

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 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo apoojo@ wrote:
 
   i also do not remember them at the baronet, thought it was the 
  paramount, same tour and movie as above. they had those space suits 
  where the helmets looked like giant fish bowls
 
 
 yep, and you could fling a jujube and whack someone in the head in a
 row down front.
 
 What I remember most about the old movies houses (besides the
 outrageous price of $.50 for a GIANT box of candy) was the soda
 machines. That was real high tech. Put your coins in watch the paper
 cup drop down and soda our down. Half the time my cup landed upside
 down. lemon lime was my choice.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Haste Makes Waste.....

2007-12-21 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  i also do not remember them at the baronet, thought it was the 
 paramount, same tour and movie as above. they had those space suits 
 where the helmets looked like giant fish bowls


yep, and you could fling a jujube and whack someone in the head in a
row down front.

What I remember most about the old movies houses (besides the
outrageous price of $.50 for a GIANT box of candy) was the soda
machines. That was real high tech. Put your coins in watch the paper
cup drop down and soda our down. Half the time my cup landed upside
down. lemon lime was my choice.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread 2fine4u
Rev. Kev.,
I wish the same for you!  Good Luck with your projects, in 2008!

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 Coulter in Velvet!?
 Now thats a traditional Christmas.
 
 Now for the practical:
 
 My prayer to God, and wish for all men and women of New Jersey this 
 Christmas Season is simple.
 
 That our taxes drop 75%
 That Our Government shrink 80%
 That Abstinance increase 75%
 That Health improve 100%
 
 With these 4 things alone it would be a better world.
 
 Good Cheer To you all
 
 Kevin Brown





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread 2fine4u
Jack,

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 The problem is, nobody cares.
 And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here on earth
so great.
 Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas ornaments
that are made in 
 China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour weeks.
 Explain that to us Tommy.
 Perhaps some of those ornaments are hanging on your tree (across the
room from your 


I couldn't resist laughing at this:

 Ann Coulter velvet painting)

Although I know you're serious!  You should ignore it, I did!




 
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[AsburyPark] Cats

2007-12-21 Thread MarioAPNJ
Cool cats in good 'ol Brooklyn:
===
Amid the goods found in the stores, there is one thing that many  owners and 
employees say they cannot do without: their cats. And it goes beyond  cuddly 
companionship. These cats are workers, tireless and enthusiastic hunters  of 
unwanted vermin, and they typically do a far better job than exterminators  and 
poisons
 
Luis Martinez, 42, has managed his brother’s grocery in East New  York, 
Brooklyn, for two years. At first, despite weekly visits from an  exterminator, 
the 
store’s inventory was ravaged constantly by nibbling  vermin. 
“Every night I had to put the bread in the freezer,” he said,  pointing at 
shelves filled with bread and hamburger buns. “I was losing too much  
inventory. The chips and the Lipton soups all had holes in them.” 
Then, last winter, a friend brought Mr. Martinez a marmalade kitten  in need 
of a home. Mr. Martinez, who was skeptical of how one slinky kitten  could 
fend off an army of hungry rats, set up a litter box in the back of the  store, 
put down an old fleece jacket and named the kitten Junior. 
Within two weeks, Mr. Martinez said, “a miracle.” 
Excerpt from _To  Dismay of Inspectors, Prowling Cats Keep Rodents on the Run 
at City Delis - New  York Times_ 
(http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/21/nyregion/21cats.html?_r=1ref=nyregionoref=slogin)
  



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