[AsburyPark] Re: The Virginia Plan
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, this whole thread spun off from the Fastlane thread by pointing out the illicit drug sales going on in the building and wondering what could be done about it. Does the redevelopment deal prevent the owners from enforcing the law within their own buildings? Kicking out residents who are convicted of even a drug misdemeanor? If not, and they just don't feel like doing anything about it, can't the zoning authority and/or police department exert some muscle there? Yes, the owner can evict problematic tenants. Zoning cant even keep people from 'stealing' public property for business use. Police can produce a log of the number of calls/incidents etc Code seems more concerned with prosecuting City critics. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Virginia Plan
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Going 'Green' would be the decission of the building owner, certainly it is technically possible. (again moot since it is to be torn down) Obviously I haven't pored through the city's building codes, but leaving that up to the owner sounds a little 1992. We're not talking spotted owls here. It's a health issue. Has the city discussed instituting some requirements in this regard for both building rehab and new construction? = There are no local 'Green ordinances. The only green activities evident are the removal of shade trees and planting of flowering ornamentals by of all things ... The Shade Tree Commission. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: it's getting better all the time
nice discussion, thanks. i won't say i am proud to be american, but i am extremely grateful. i also know that my life and the comparable ease that i have comes in some part at the expense of others in other countries. cheap clothes, cheap energy, security etc.. so i feel a sense of responsibility. i don't have the drives and fears that many americans seem to have...no nagging urge to own property, get married or spawn. i dont care if i don't have a lot of money, don't care if i am never successful in the eyes of others. i dig my life, i love my freedom. i truly believe we are here primarily to grow in love and consciousness. to move from egocentric to ethnocentric to worldcentric and beyond. there is a lot about this country that i feel the urge to rail against. and matt taibi and Jack have done it pretty well. blind patriotism is simply delusional but a great thing for fascists. hitler did a lot of damage with the my country right or wrong people. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Palin / Obama
I don't want any woman who makes her 17 yo daughter marry a redneck because she was incapable of teaching her daughter to respect her sexuality to be president. or vice. honestly. this is where republicans crack me the *^% up. you have to imagine..any many writers out there have, what the republicans would do if one of the obama girls were pregnant at 17. i ache for that poor girl. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Palin / Obama
Vote for Obambi. Endorsed by Putin and A-Dad. He will increase taxes and we will all get to see what a depression looks like. BTW he isn't talking about a middle class tax cut anymore. --- On Wed, 10/1/08, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Palin / Obama To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 11:22 AM Vote for Caribou Barbie! She will send us into another cold war with the entire world and bomb every country she can pronounce. She will clean up this mess with tax cuts for the rich and capital gains tax cuts for the Wall Street CEOs in the Hamptons who have already looted the country! And then she will never have to think again, not that she ever started. On Oct 1, 2008, at 7:15 AM, Rock Musician wrote: Vote for Obambi ! I mean obama . He will send us into ethnic cleansing and cleanup this mess. He vows to take over the usa . He will clean up this mess so well that we will not even think about it ever again. Now let the wars begin!!! ! ! - Original Message From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:27:48 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Palin / Obama --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ ... wrote: Here we go folks... Get ready for three days of off-topic back and forth. Paul, why start this debate up? = = = = Why do people take the bait time after time Trolls on the group plant the seed ...ignore them Go to; groups.yahoo. com/asburypoliti cs www.groups.yahoo. com/asburypoliti cs http://groups. yahoo.com/ asburypolitics http://www.groups. yahoo.com/ asburypolitics [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Virginia Plan
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beyond that, hasn't Partners reneged on the redevelopment deal time and time again by missing several deadlines? What is keeping the city from saying You broke your end of the deal. It's off. Time to go back to the table. Was there some fine print in there that said party A could waver on some of the details but party B had to strictly adhere to ever line in the plan? === A very poor deal was entered into. Look in the files section. (excerpt) PENALTIES FOR NON-PERFORMANCE III. An improved approach to dispute resolution. Default and remedies section of the 2001 Redevelopment Agreement became ineffective. The requirement to formally default a party before getting to arbitration created an environment where both parties were reluctant to utilize the process. This resulted in an environment where issues were addressed on an ad hoc basis with no real ability to document or enforce a negotiated resolution to an issue. Alternately, an issue was not resolved and lingered and an unproductive environment was created. Each party became frustrated with the efforts of the other party. This Agreement provides a dispute resolution mechanism that has a softer trigger and a more certain process so that legitimate disputes can be resolved with a degree of certainty. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: it's getting better all the time
YEah. Now that is one thing that Obama will bring to the picture. Legalized pot! He loves the stuff, but what brother doesn't. I be rollin a blunt right now! --- On Wed, 10/1/08, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: it's getting better all the time To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 12:09 AM i have NO idea what you mean or where you stand. all i know is that i want to know...are you a trader who smokes pot? but i love the tommi boy and gabbi thing. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. wrote: I am so sick of hearing people decry our country. Patriotism and the practice thereof became a silent issue not too long ago. Maybe for good reasons, there were a whole lot of flags flying. But this other extreme, this amplification of Michelle Obama's statement that she was FINALLY proud to be an American is sickening. If your not proud to be an American the door swings both ways. We welcome the sick and oppressed and the tired and the poor and we will gladly slam the door on the butts of the spoiled rotten who are blinded by the light that is America. tommi boy and gabbi wrotePosted by: Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ ... gabrielleobre Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:24 am (PDT) You said this: As Americans we are constantly distracted by the superficial, disconnected from our communities, we avoid genuine involvement with our local governments and we provide wealth to the companies that screw us in the end. We are intellectually lazy and narcissistic. We care only how we look, what we drive and how that compares to others. I blame American anti intellectualism for a big chunk of that and am amazed that elite could be considered a derogatory remark. So you made a sweeping generalization about a group to which I belong. You even anticipagted our counter-arguement (elitism) in your post. Did you really expect me, as part of the group you criticized, to not respond? You posted something not too long ago about fascism stopping speech. Yet here in practice, on this board, you try the same. as you can clearly see, i included myself in that group. i am an american tommy so don't throw that rovian tribal bs at me. i have two family members that fought in the am rev and a couple in the civ war. they did not fight for what this country has become. we have become soulless, narcissistic and yes.. ignorant. not stupid. we need to move to a world centric perspective or we are not going to make it. paris hilton gets more media play than any elected official. football players make more money than teachers. there is an ad in the TCN for a G-Spot shot. WE are pathetic, and WE can be so much more. throw the elite label at me all you want, i won't go into the many reasons why its absurd to throw it my way. and you didn't prove i said i was smarter than everyone else and now you also have to prove i have tried to quash anyone from posting. i have been begging for discussion. i even suggested we all hang out. i know its rough and all with the white christian male pedestal crumbling. i have a picture in my mind...this old angry white guy standing on a rock. limp and shadow boxing. clinging, clinging, clinging (thats the same as wanting wanting wanting). come on down tommy, it'll be ok and its going to be so much more FUN! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: it's getting better all the time
What war were you in Jack? Racism? Much of the racism in this country isn't by white people. It gets old hearing about it it is time for people to take responsibility for their own actions. Obama doesn't hav enough experience and when things don't go his way he cries racism but that is alright. Let's hope whe there is an emergency he has time to rehearse a response. I hope that Biden is sleeping next to him if the phone rings at 3AM. --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: it's getting better all the time To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 11:22 PM Here's a few things that you didn't notice: Torture. A war based on lies. Our greed effecting the entire world. Racism. We're fat as hell. Religion and it's effect on our countries policies. We stare at boxes (i.e. TV, internet, cell phones) Ball players make more then teachers. Get sick and spend the rest of your life paying for it. Stupid people buying houses they can't afford, and lenders making jokes about our stupidity. Conspicuous consumption. Britney Spears was headline news. Our music sucks. We invented the crawl at the bottom of the screen, and we now use tiny little sound bytes to think that we actually know what's going on in the world. We have a candidate for VP that thinks being close to Russia is foreign policy experience. We elected GW Bush to be our president, and during his 8 years in office...blah blah blah. So yeah, we're just fine. Great. Greatest country on the planet. Slightly more then 200 years old, and we've got it all figured out. And we have true blue American's like traderdube to cheer us along. Right. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. wrote: I am so sick of hearing people decry our country. Patriotism and the practice thereof became a silent issue not too long ago. Maybe for good reasons, there were a whole lot of flags flying. But this other extreme, this amplification of Michelle Obama's statement that she was FINALLY proud to be an American is sickening. If your not proud to be an American the door swings both ways. We welcome the sick and oppressed and the tired and the poor and we will gladly slam the door on the butts of the spoiled rotten who are blinded by the light that is America. tommi boy and gabbi wrotePosted by: Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ ... gabrielleobre Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:24 am (PDT) You said this: As Americans we are constantly distracted by the superficial, disconnected from our communities, we avoid genuine involvement with our local governments and we provide wealth to the companies that screw us in the end. We are intellectually lazy and narcissistic. We care only how we look, what we drive and how that compares to others. I blame American anti intellectualism for a big chunk of that and am amazed that elite could be considered a derogatory remark. So you made a sweeping generalization about a group to which I belong. You even anticipagted our counter-arguement (elitism) in your post. Did you really expect me, as part of the group you criticized, to not respond? You posted something not too long ago about fascism stopping speech. Yet here in practice, on this board, you try the same. as you can clearly see, i included myself in that group. i am an american tommy so don't throw that rovian tribal bs at me. i have two family members that fought in the am rev and a couple in the civ war. they did not fight for what this country has become. we have become soulless, narcissistic and yes.. ignorant. not stupid. we need to move to a world centric perspective or we are not going to make it. paris hilton gets more media play than any elected official. football players make more money than teachers. there is an ad in the TCN for a G-Spot shot. WE are pathetic, and WE can be so much more. throw the elite label at me all you want, i won't go into the many reasons why its absurd to throw it my way. and you didn't prove i said i was smarter than everyone else and now you also have to prove i have tried to quash anyone from posting. i have been begging for discussion. i even suggested we all hang out. i know its rough and all with the white christian male pedestal crumbling. i have a picture in my mind...this old angry white guy standing on a rock. limp and shadow boxing. clinging, clinging, clinging (thats the same as wanting wanting wanting). come on down tommy, it'll be ok and its going to be so much more FUN! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to:
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Palin / Obama
What's so hysterical is if Palin were the Democratic nominee (which she never would be) you would be lambasting her seven ways to Sunday. Watching you defending her is just amazing. And sexist, I might add. PS: Palin went to 5 colleges in an attempt to graduate from somewhere. On Oct 1, 2008, at 11:32 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obama worked his way through college and became a commuity organizer to help the poor (for about 4 years). Community organizer is relevant experience to be president? Asbury Park has over 80 non-profits. Are all of them building relevant exerpience to be president? Then, he attended the best law school in the country, granduating magna cum laude. At that law school, he became editor in chief of the Law Review, the best scholarly legal journal in the country- a major accomplishment. After law school, Obama became an associate with a small civil rights firm (and he could have had his pick of ANY job in the country). Is being an attorney relevant experience for the Presidency? If so, am I qualified? I've tried hundreds of cases of a variety of stripes. My understanding is he's never tried even one. He also soon became a professor of constitutional law... Con law professor is experience for the presidency? I was a teacher longer than he was. Again, does that qualify me for presidency? a state senator. Then a US senator. This is government experience, although not executive. Palin went to a bunch of colleges and then became a sports caster, right? She went to 3, but spent 3 years U of Idaho where she graduated. I wnet to 2. What's your point. Then she was a mom Are you being snarky? Most important job she ever had. then a member of the PTA, As in community organizer. on town council, She certainly started from the bottom and came up through the ranks, didn't she? That's usually scene as a plus. then mayor, More coming up through the ranks. She was councilmember/mayor for 10 years. Negotiating, doing budgets, supplying services, serving the public - for a decade. Nothing on Obama's record comes close. then somehow became the Governor of Alaska Wow did you leave out a big one (sorry for Wiki but I'm being lazy): Governor Murkowski appointed Palin to the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission. She chaired the Commission beginning in 2003, and served as Ethics Supervisor.[58] Palin resigned in January 2004, protesting what she called the lack of ethics of fellow Republican members.[59][60][61] After resigning, Palin filed a formal complaint against Oil and Gas Conservation Commissioner Randy Ruedrich, also the chair of the state Republican Party,[62] accusing him of doing work for the party on public time and of working closely with a company he was supposed to be regulating. She also filed a complaint against Gregg Renkes, a former Alaska Attorney General,[63] accusing him of having a financial conflict of interest in negotiating a coal exporting trade agreement,[64] while Renkes was the subject of investigation and after records suggesting a possible conflict of interest had been released to the public.[65] Ruedrich and Renkes both resigned and Ruedrich paid a record $12,000 fine.[58][66] So Sara Palin rooting out corruption in her own party gets NO props from you whatsoever? Is that fair? Now for Palin being Governor. In the 20th Century, 8 Presidents were Governor first. Being Governor has always been the standard bearer of Presidential experience. The 5 Presients that were Senators first had to overcome the fact that they weren't Governors and therefore had no executive experience. No honest broker of Presidential history could downplay the importance of Palin being a Governor. Drill baby drill, even though it would not result in any better oil domestic production for many years while destroying the environment. Wrong on both counts. Technology today has taken most of the risk out of oil spills. Contrary to what some of the dopes on TV are saying, the Industry says they can get oil out of the ground in 18 months. She has no foreign policy experience and thinks Putin is rearing is head??? Can you imagine her negotiating with any foreign power? Most people who became President had no foreign policy experience. They were Governors. Governor Reagan had none. Governor Clinton had none, etc. Obama has none. Care to tell me what foreign policy experience is necessary before becoming President? Give me a real answer without platitudes - give me your actual standard. I'll tell you my answer: All I require of a President negotiating for America is that they love America and always want her to win. With that on your mind and our military behind you, that's all I'll require of you to negotiate for me. 15 year girls who get raped by their fathers should be denied abortions
Re: [AsburyPark] Eminent Vacation Anti EDA Tour - and a woof!
Too bad you left you will miss all of the tax increases. --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Eminent Vacation Anti EDA Tour - and a woof! To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 10:55 PM Hello Asbury Park! I thought someone on the board would be interested in hearing an update from me. First me and my three mastiffs are fine and well and traveling the mid and south west. Stopped in Bonner Springs, Kansas to see the new NASCAR track they built there. Visited with my grand daughters and headed down into Texas to do a few dog shows. I am in Houston after weekend in Lubbock. Helping out the storm victims... There is always some thing to do no matter where one finds themselves. I am also taking the opportunity to show my mastiffs in dog shows en route on my journey. The case for the Broadway Building is still in Appealate and we shall see how that turns out. I have had a few opportunities to speak out against EDA in different places where laws are being considered to remove private property owners from their property for development. The American people are extremely concerned about eminent domain for private development gain! The Presidential campaign better pick it up and a candidate needs to take a positive position for property rights and protection from the abuses we have seen in New Jersey. I got to tell you, America is laughing at us for allowing it. I of course miss home, however, this is what happens when government is allowed to pass laws that harm the good people under them. I posted some new pictures I hope you are all well and enjoying your lives. It is just too short to moan and groan too often. God Bless The Jersey Shore. Rev. Kevin Brown [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Why should the people bail out Wall Street?
Bush, Greenspan brought up the Fannie and Freddie problem years ago. Barney Frank insisted that there were no problems. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgctSIL8Lhs --- On Tue, 9/30/08, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Why should the people bail out Wall Street? To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 10:45 PM --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: But this is the mess you get with LESS REGULATION. Regulation of Fanny and Freddy? Really? Watch this. 8.5 minutes. Watch the whole thing to the end. Let me know what you folks think. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=_MGT_cSi7Rs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] it's getting better all the time
I thought you never watched Fox? --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] it's getting better all the time To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 8:59 PM Hannity: You spent two years of this five-and-a-half-year period in solitary confinement. What does that do to a person, to spend that much time in solitary confinement? McCain: I think it makes you a better person. Obviously, it makes you love America. I really didn¢t love America until I was deprived of her company, but probably the most important thing about it, Sean, is that I was privileged to have the opportunity to serve in the company of heroes. http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=952 On Sep 30, 2008, at 8:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am so sick of hearing people decry our country. Patriotism and the practice thereof became a silent issue not too long ago. Maybe for good reasons, there were a whole lot of flags flying. But this other extreme, this amplification of Michelle Obama's statement that she was FINALLY proud to be an American is sickening. If your not proud to be an American the door swings both ways. We welcome the sick and oppressed and the tired and the poor and we will gladly slam the door on the butts of the spoiled rotten who are blinded by the light that is America. tommi boy and gabbi wrotePosted by: Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:24 am (PDT) You said this: As Americans we are constantly distracted by the superficial, disconnected from our communities, we avoid genuine involvement with our local governments and we provide wealth to the companies that screw us in the end. We are intellectually lazy and narcissistic. We care only how we look, what we drive and how that compares to others. I blame American anti intellectualism for a big chunk of that and am amazed that elite could be considered a derogatory remark. So you made a sweeping generalization about a group to which I belong. You even anticipagted our counter-arguement (elitism) in your post. Did you really expect me, as part of the group you criticized, to not respond? You posted something not too long ago about fascism stopping speech. Yet here in practice, on this board, you try the same. as you can clearly see, i included myself in that group. i am an american tommy so don't throw that rovian tribal bs at me. i have two family members that fought in the am rev and a couple in the civ war. they did not fight for what this country has become. we have become soulless, narcissistic and yes.. ignorant. not stupid. we need to move to a world centric perspective or we are not going to make it. paris hilton gets more media play than any elected official. football players make more money than teachers. there is an ad in the TCN for a G-Spot shot. WE are pathetic, and WE can be so much more. throw the elite label at me all you want, i won't go into the many reasons why its absurd to throw it my way. and you didn't prove i said i was smarter than everyone else and now you also have to prove i have tried to quash anyone from posting. i have been begging for discussion. i even suggested we all hang out. i know its rough and all with the white christian male pedestal crumbling. i have a picture in my mind...this old angry white guy standing on a rock. limp and shadow boxing. clinging, clinging, clinging (thats the same as wanting wanting wanting). come on down tommy, it'll be ok and its going to be so much more FUN! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Is the beachfront finished yet as promised? ........
I don't think anyone answered this q from Newbee. And I know it will please the local only folks...well at least in acceptable subject matter. No, the beachfront is not finished. We are having a delightful time in the middle of construction (or at least I am). Your comment sounds like you haven't been here, maybe you were being snarky, which i could never hold against anyone. I have no idea what was promised and i don't really care. I loved the BW 4 years ago. Now other people can love it because they need what MM is bringing, and it is pretty fun. great bars and places to eat. nice staff. little hike in prices, but you can find a little bargain and bring your own sandwiches. or you can splurg and have a great nibble somewhere (throw out your TV..no cable bill) beautifully diverse and friendly. old C-8 was replaced with a shorter version. i like to refer to it as Asbury's Erectile Dysfunction. Or Deperanza. people like to moan and groan about it, but we do like to moan and groan. MM (i think it was them) put up these budget version shops made out of shipping containers. i thought it was pretty creative and frugal. the design snobs freaked out. it was funny. the carousel building was open for a time and it was fun to ride my bike through it. then there was a showing of Hair which i am disappointed i missed, i love naked bodies. the building looks beautiful. all around me on a regular basis i heard comments like I can't believe i am in Asbury Park. In my more adolescent days i would have rolled my eyes and been annoyed at the takeover of a cool and desolate place, but it was sweet, heartwarming and the love was genuine. The beach bar has to be one of the greatest places to have a drink (i wish MM would do something about the radios..no one wants to hear that when they are out chillin with a cocktail..i understand the need to communicate between staff but..uggghh. still won't me from going..just a thought). that building is dreamy to me. so no. unfinished. pretty much like life itself. if you haven't been you are missing out. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: it's getting better all the time
Electing a candidate with no experience that is more left than Hillary Clinton is pushing the country in the right direction? He refuses to be seen with the American flag why is that? He refuses to visit wounded soldiers why is that? YOu have no answers and it is perfectly alright with Dems. He is a mamma's boy but it isn't his fault. He father took off on him when he was young and had a few more kids he deserted. It' a black thing you wouldn't understand. --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: it's getting better all the time To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 8:16 PM Sorry, but there are plenty of things that America can't be proud of these days. Blind patriotism is lame. The most patriotic thing a person could do is speak about when our country heads in the wrong direction. And now for a moment of humor, for you Fox News lovers out there; http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=KTkqosRiyYo --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. wrote: I am so sick of hearing people decry our country. Patriotism and the practice thereof became a silent issue not too long ago. Maybe for good reasons, there were a whole lot of flags flying. But this other extreme, this amplification of Michelle Obama's statement that she was FINALLY proud to be an American is sickening. If your not proud to be an American the door swings both ways. We welcome the sick and oppressed and the tired and the poor and we will gladly slam the door on the butts of the spoiled rotten who are blinded by the light that is America. tommi boy and gabbi wrotePosted by: Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ ... gabrielleobre Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:24 am (PDT) You said this: As Americans we are constantly distracted by the superficial, disconnected from our communities, we avoid genuine involvement with our local governments and we provide wealth to the companies that screw us in the end. We are intellectually lazy and narcissistic. We care only how we look, what we drive and how that compares to others. I blame American anti intellectualism for a big chunk of that and am amazed that elite could be considered a derogatory remark. So you made a sweeping generalization about a group to which I belong. You even anticipagted our counter-arguement (elitism) in your post. Did you really expect me, as part of the group you criticized, to not respond? You posted something not too long ago about fascism stopping speech. Yet here in practice, on this board, you try the same. as you can clearly see, i included myself in that group. i am an american tommy so don't throw that rovian tribal bs at me. i have two family members that fought in the am rev and a couple in the civ war. they did not fight for what this country has become. we have become soulless, narcissistic and yes.. ignorant. not stupid. we need to move to a world centric perspective or we are not going to make it. paris hilton gets more media play than any elected official. football players make more money than teachers. there is an ad in the TCN for a G-Spot shot. WE are pathetic, and WE can be so much more. throw the elite label at me all you want, i won't go into the many reasons why its absurd to throw it my way. and you didn't prove i said i was smarter than everyone else and now you also have to prove i have tried to quash anyone from posting. i have been begging for discussion. i even suggested we all hang out. i know its rough and all with the white christian male pedestal crumbling. i have a picture in my mind...this old angry white guy standing on a rock. limp and shadow boxing. clinging, clinging, clinging (thats the same as wanting wanting wanting). come on down tommy, it'll be ok and its going to be so much more FUN! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Palin / Obama
Sharon is right! THey are both equally incompetent! --- On Tue, 9/30/08, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Palin / Obama To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 6:46 PM NO, she isn't! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Paul Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Palin may or may not be qualified to be Vice President of the United States. What should be of concern to most Americans is that she is more qualified than Obama on either side of the ticket. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Full Rolling Stone Story
Neither have the experience to be President of the United States. The difference is Obama hate the US and Palin doesn't. That black assed pansy wouldn't even vist wounded troop whe he was in Iraq. He will demand a lot of respect from the military if he is elected. Probably worse than Clinton. --- On Tue, 9/30/08, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Full Rolling Stone Story To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 6:25 PM I just read this in another political group, I'm in. Good read about how stupid some Americans are, when they buy this line of schitt! At least Obama graduated from Harvard! Palin has NO creditials comparable to Barack Obama. My 2 cents! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: http://www.alternet .org/module/ printversion/ 100551 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What a strange place
Here's a perfect example of your fair and balanced BS Fox news: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTkqosRiyYo Watch that and then let's here you explain how that's fair and balanced. Good luck. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is all left winged media excpet for Fox. I spend my life involved with it and has always been that way. Is that why when McCain went to Iraq the media didn't send a crew but when Obama went all of them had to broadcast their nightly newscasts from Iraq. There is dumbing down alright. --- On Tue, 9/30/08, sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: sharon_b283 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: What a strange place To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 6:19 PM The left winged media you rant about is owned by Clear Channel and Rupert Murdoch, to dumb down America! There IS no left winged media. They're ALL YOUR Republican, right-winged friends! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: as you can clearly see, i included myself in that group. i am an american tommy so don't throw that rovian tribal bs at me. Rovian tribal bs? - but I thought you celebrate diversity. If so, what's wrong with recognizing tribes? i have two family members that fought in the am rev and a couple in the civ war. For which side? we have become soulless, narcissistic and yes.. ignorant. There are two shores and two borders I can show you. Tap into your inner Marco Polo and go in search of a people you like. we need to move to a world centric perspective or we are not going to make it. Never. NEVER I'm America centric and staying that way. paris hilton gets more media play than any elected official. Blame the left wing media. football players make more money than teachers. They should, because they earn their employers more money than teachers earn their employers. there is an ad in the TCN for a G-Spot shot. I don't know what that is and please don't anyone tell me. WE are pathetic, and WE can be so much more. YOU can speak for yourself. i even suggested we all hang out. Speaking of, I didn't see you in Twisted Tree when I went there last week. Anyone catch the Johnny Cash show there last night? i know its rough and all with the white christian male pedestal crumbling. i have a picture in my mind...this old angry white guy standing on a rock. limp and shadow boxing. clinging, clinging, clinging (thats the same as wanting wanting wanting). come on down tommy, it'll be ok and its going to be so much more FUN! See, now this part, right here, is why you're still my favorite writer in TCN. What imagery! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Is the beachfront finished yet as promised? ........
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: good summary. And there was plenty plenty of parking in asbury last night. the beach itself is finished. It always has been. Even when the boardwalk was dead for years, the beach and the ocean were there. The women who showed me apartments in NYC the other day said she used to come to AP back in the day... what was the name of the hotel I stayed...oh, the Monterey.. She was orginally from Teaneck. I invited her down for drinks. She was an interesting one. Married to a lawyer. For four years. Said he was boring but fell in love with the long hair and pinstripes. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Palin / Obama
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want any woman who makes her 17 yo daughter marry a redneck because she was incapable of teaching her daughter to respect her sexuality to be president. YOu can teach your kids right and wrong all day. Nothing like watching them laying next to the toilet puking cause they now their limits... or taking the car out when they're 15 for a quick ride cause you taught them to drive when they were two, but telling them if they ever did, you'll kill them... I woke up at 3 am thinking about outsorucing something I want to get done. Then my daughter sent me a text about the same time. I thought maybe we should just outsource parenting - it's done now, but most people don't call it that. You could just have the kids born in India and watch them grow up over the Internet. Lots of families (even single parent families) have to do it now. Drop the kid off somewhere and check in on them via the net... amazing how we were able to survive as kids. Lsots of kids have access to it all, I spent hours and hours trying to hack the first cable boxes to playboy on tv. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: it's getting better all the time
The Right does racism all the time- in private. It's better when they expose themselves, openly, for what they really are and what they really think. On Oct 2, 2008, at 9:47 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YEah. Now that is one thing that Obama will bring to the picture. Legalized pot! He loves the stuff, but what brother doesn't. I be rollin a blunt right now! Whoa whoa whoa - that's gotta be a terms of service violation. Even if it isn't, we don't do racism around here. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Full Rolling Stone Story
MH: The Face of Republicanism. On Oct 2, 2008, at 9:52 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That black assed pansy wouldn't even vist wounded troop whe he was in Iraq. Black assed? What's wrong with you? You need to stop that. Pete could chuck you from the board for that. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why should the people bail out Wall Street?
Tommy - Not sure if here you're referring to my post about the Wall St. bailout. If you are, I'd want to say that there are indexes by Creditex and Markit, which contain traded prices on Credit Default Swaps (CDS) and Collaterolized Debt Obligations (CDOs). Paulson doesn't want taxpayers paying the low prices the professional traders are currently paying for these. He's already said he wants taxpayers to buy these assets at future maturity rates. Wasn't that what Asbury Park residents wanted and didn't get in the redevelopment and rehab zones? Maureen --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you use Mark to Market accounting when dealing with an asset that is not widely traded? You have no data upon which to set a value. Also, when a firm goes under and is selling off their assets at a fire sale, is it fair to use those sale numbers when someone else is valuing an asset under Mark to Market? Maybe the realty experts on the board can opine. If only we had someone on the board who regularly dealt with burden of valuing unique property? :-) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech asburycheech@ wrote: Hi Folks, Maureen Nevin who is a member of this group is having an issue with her internet connection, so she asked me to pass along the following. She has a lot of good information on her asburyradio.com website, but hoped those interested might like to read the following as well: -- Forwarded message -- From: Jay Hyde jhyde@ Date: Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 3:12 PM Subject: CAQ Urges Congress to Reject Proposals to Suspend Mark-to-Market (Fair Value) Accounting To: maureen@ September 30, 2008 Dear Member of Congress: The Center for Audit Quality (CAQ) believes that proposals advocating suspension of mark-to-market (or fair value) accounting are not in the best interest of investors or the capital markets and should be rejected. The principles of mark-to-market accounting are rooted in the fundamental virtue of transparency and are central to informed market decisions and efficient allocation of capital. In our view, investor confidence would be undermined by efforts designed to mask the actual value of financial assets at a given point in time. It is important to underscore that mark-to-market accounting has contributed positively to revelations about the severity of the economic crisis facing our country's credit markets and certain institutions, but it did not create the economic crisis. Recently, some have suggested that the Securities and Exchange Commission (Commission or SEC) or the Financial Accounting Standards Board (FASB) should suspend the application of mark-to-market or fair value accounting or somehow impose a moratorium on mark-to-market requirements for certain financial institutions when preparing financial statements to be used by investors. Although determining fair values for financial instruments in an illiquid market can be challenging, the best estimate of the prices that would be received for such instruments in orderly transactions occurring at the measurement date remains the most relevant information for investors and policymakers. To lessen the uncertainties about the value of these securities, it is critical that investors continue to have the insight provided by the application of mark-to-market accounting principles. Many of the current requirements stem from the Savings Loan crisis in the 1980s, when we learned that not knowing the real, current values of financial instruments held by financial institutions can be devastating when the bubble finally bursts and institutions are forced to close their doors. The current requirements provide a uniform and consistent method to measure market values and provide investors increased disclosures about those measurements. Suspending mark-to-market accounting would throw financial reporting back to a time of less comparability, less consistency and less transparency. If there are concerns with the impact of asset valuations on capital requirements of financial institutions, regulators have alternatives other than obscuring information relevant to investors. Regulators may modify those requirements based on criteria other than fair value accounting measurements to the extent they deem appropriate. Other capital markets participants also have expressed concern about the lack of transparency that would be created by a suspension of mark-to-market accounting. The Council of Institutional Investors, which represents 130 public, corporate and union pension funds with combined assets of more than $3 trillion, stated in a recent letter to the SEC that [a]ny termination or suspension of fair value accounting
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Full Rolling Stone Story
The racist response in the Republican Party to the Obama campaign IS the issue. Stop trying to sweep this under the rug. On Oct 2, 2008, at 11:45 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MH: The Face of Republicanism. John I'm not shouting you down here, but you aren't even talking issues now. You're just name calling. I know the heat of the moment can catch up with anyone but I also know you can do better than that in a discussion. Pete's not going to put up with that and he's going to make some changes we are all going to hate. Join the discussion. Did you look at the video of the congressional hearing? What's your thought on that? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] 50 Drug Arrests Bring State Atty Gen'l, County Prosecutor, County Sheriff to AP
Maureen was this in the paper? - Original Message From: radio881gal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 12:04:57 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] 50 Drug Arrests Bring State Atty Gen'l, County Prosecutor, County Sheriff to AP 22 of those arrested today are Gang Members, say law enforcement. See report with photo and sound on AsburyRadio. com A cold kept me away from last night's council meeting. Sorry!! Maureen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Full Rolling Stone Story
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The racist response in the Republican Party to the Obama campaign IS the issue. Stop trying to sweep this under the rug. You aren't giving any support for what you say. Your're just yelling accusations. There's no challenge in that. What say you about that congressional hearing (if you don't respond this time I'll just figure you don't want to face what was said there, and instead are content to call people names). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Full Rolling Stone Story
I agree Denise, and I hope Pete doesn't hold it against the current topic matter, because as he say, he's done this on other topics. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question is how long is it going to take for Pete to do something about this. Pete should have stepped in with the first comment This is not the first racist coment by Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ... wrote: That black assed pansy wouldn't even vist wounded troop whe he was in Iraq. I know discussions on here get pretty heated but enough is enough - Original Message From: Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 10:53:36 AM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Full Rolling Stone Story MH: The Face of Republicanism. On Oct 2, 2008, at 9:52 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ... wrote: That black assed pansy wouldn't even vist wounded troop whe he was in Iraq. Black assed? What's wrong with you? You need to stop that. Pete could chuck you from the board for that. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 50 Drug Arrests Bring State Atty Gen'l, County Prosecutor, County Sheriff to AP
Hi Denise - This press conference was held at 10 AM this morning. I was sitting next to Michelle Sahn from the Asbury Park Press, so I doubt it could've been in the Press before this. And, I haven't seen the report on Channel 12 yet, although its crew was there, too. The arrests began on Sept 26 and ended this morning (Oct.2). Sound from my interviews with Sheriff Guadagno and Chief Kinmon are up there now. I'm working on the sound from the podium now, which was very soft. I hope you'll check the report on AsburyRadio.com and leave your comments. All best, Maureen --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, denise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maureen was this in the paper? - Original Message From: radio881gal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 12:04:57 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] 50 Drug Arrests Bring State Atty Gen'l, County Prosecutor, County Sheriff to AP 22 of those arrested today are Gang Members, say law enforcement. See report with photo and sound on AsburyRadio. com A cold kept me away from last night's council meeting. Sorry!! Maureen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why should the people bail out Wall Street?
To my knowledge these are actual trades that are reported in these indices, not assigned values based on aspects of the assets or what an insurer would give you in an accident. These indices are a recent benefit to the market, since OTC products have typically lacked transparency for this as well as other reasons. Did you read the open letter from the auditors that Frank posted for me yesterday? Maureen --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are creditex and markit reliable? Do people routinely take issue with their amounts (like I do with blue book on cars?) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, radio881gal restore881FM@ wrote: Tommy - Not sure if here you're referring to my post about the Wall St. bailout. If you are, I'd want to say that there are indexes by Creditex and Markit, which contain traded prices on Credit Default Swaps (CDS) and Collaterolized Debt Obligations (CDOs). Paulson doesn't want taxpayers paying the low prices the professional traders are currently paying for these. He's already said he wants taxpayers to buy these assets at future maturity rates. Wasn't that what Asbury Park residents wanted and didn't get in the redevelopment and rehab zones? Maureen --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: How do you use Mark to Market accounting when dealing with an asset that is not widely traded? You have no data upon which to set a value. Also, when a firm goes under and is selling off their assets at a fire sale, is it fair to use those sale numbers when someone else is valuing an asset under Mark to Market? Maybe the realty experts on the board can opine. If only we had someone on the board who regularly dealt with burden of valuing unique property? :-) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech asburycheech@ wrote: Hi Folks, Maureen Nevin who is a member of this group is having an issue with her internet connection, so she asked me to pass along the following. She has a lot of good information on her asburyradio.com website, but hoped those interested might like to read the following as well: -- Forwarded message -- From: Jay Hyde jhyde@ Date: Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 3:12 PM Subject: CAQ Urges Congress to Reject Proposals to Suspend Mark-to-Market (Fair Value) Accounting To: maureen@ September 30, 2008 Dear Member of Congress: The Center for Audit Quality (CAQ) believes that proposals advocating suspension of mark-to-market (or fair value) accounting are not in the best interest of investors or the capital markets and should be rejected. The principles of mark-to-market accounting are rooted in the fundamental virtue of transparency and are central to informed market decisions and efficient allocation of capital. In our view, investor confidence would be undermined by efforts designed to mask the actual value of financial assets at a given point in time. It is important to underscore that mark-to-market accounting has contributed positively to revelations about the severity of the economic crisis facing our country's credit markets and certain institutions, but it did not create the economic crisis. Recently, some have suggested that the Securities and Exchange Commission (Commission or SEC) or the Financial Accounting Standards Board (FASB) should suspend the application of mark-to-market or fair value accounting or somehow impose a moratorium on mark-to- market requirements for certain financial institutions when preparing financial statements to be used by investors. Although determining fair values for financial instruments in an illiquid market can be challenging, the best estimate of the prices that would be received for such instruments in orderly transactions occurring at the measurement date remains the most relevant information for investors and policymakers. To lessen the uncertainties about the value of these securities, it is critical that investors continue to have the insight provided by the application of mark-to-market accounting principles. Many of the current requirements stem from the Savings Loan crisis in the 1980s, when we learned that not knowing the real, current values of financial instruments held by financial institutions can be devastating when the bubble finally bursts and institutions are forced to close their doors. The current requirements provide a uniform and consistent method to measure market values and provide investors increased
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Full Rolling Stone Story
The support is everywhere, if you are blind to it: http://tinyurl.com/2mucwp On Oct 2, 2008, at 12:32 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The racist response in the Republican Party to the Obama campaign IS the issue. Stop trying to sweep this under the rug. You aren't giving any support for what you say. Your're just yelling accusations. There's no challenge in that. What say you about that congressional hearing (if you don't respond this time I'll just figure you don't want to face what was said there, and instead are content to call people names). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Full Rolling Stone Story
Support: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se2dFXXeK3c On Oct 2, 2008, at 12:32 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The racist response in the Republican Party to the Obama campaign IS the issue. Stop trying to sweep this under the rug. You aren't giving any support for what you say. Your're just yelling accusations. There's no challenge in that. What say you about that congressional hearing (if you don't respond this time I'll just figure you don't want to face what was said there, and instead are content to call people names). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Full Rolling Stone Story
Support: http://tinyurl.com/5dq2n7 On Oct 2, 2008, at 12:32 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The racist response in the Republican Party to the Obama campaign IS the issue. Stop trying to sweep this under the rug. You aren't giving any support for what you say. Your're just yelling accusations. There's no challenge in that. What say you about that congressional hearing (if you don't respond this time I'll just figure you don't want to face what was said there, and instead are content to call people names). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Full Rolling Stone Story
Support: http://tinyurl.com/3pn4oa On Oct 2, 2008, at 12:32 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The racist response in the Republican Party to the Obama campaign IS the issue. Stop trying to sweep this under the rug. You aren't giving any support for what you say. Your're just yelling accusations. There's no challenge in that. What say you about that congressional hearing (if you don't respond this time I'll just figure you don't want to face what was said there, and instead are content to call people names). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Full Rolling Stone Story
Support: http://tinyurl.com/5jeklj On Oct 2, 2008, at 12:32 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The racist response in the Republican Party to the Obama campaign IS the issue. Stop trying to sweep this under the rug. You aren't giving any support for what you say. Your're just yelling accusations. There's no challenge in that. What say you about that congressional hearing (if you don't respond this time I'll just figure you don't want to face what was said there, and instead are content to call people names). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Full Rolling Stone Story
Support: http://tinyurl.com/4srqem On Oct 2, 2008, at 12:32 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The racist response in the Republican Party to the Obama campaign IS the issue. Stop trying to sweep this under the rug. You aren't giving any support for what you say. Your're just yelling accusations. There's no challenge in that. What say you about that congressional hearing (if you don't respond this time I'll just figure you don't want to face what was said there, and instead are content to call people names). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why should the people bail out Wall Street?
Mo, I did read the post that Frank made for you. I wasn't even aware of the issue until you posted it. Thanks for doing so - it's an interesting insight. For those of you who don't know, this business stuff is Marueen Nevin's area of journalistic expertise. That's why I asked her the questions. We're futunate to have folks like her on this board with expertise in such an important current event (wish she was back on the radio). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, radio881gal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To my knowledge these are actual trades that are reported in these indices, not assigned values based on aspects of the assets or what an insurer would give you in an accident. These indices are a recent benefit to the market, since OTC products have typically lacked transparency for this as well as other reasons. Did you read the open letter from the auditors that Frank posted for me yesterday? Maureen --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Are creditex and markit reliable? Do people routinely take issue with their amounts (like I do with blue book on cars?) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, radio881gal restore881FM@ wrote: Tommy - Not sure if here you're referring to my post about the Wall St. bailout. If you are, I'd want to say that there are indexes by Creditex and Markit, which contain traded prices on Credit Default Swaps (CDS) and Collaterolized Debt Obligations (CDOs). Paulson doesn't want taxpayers paying the low prices the professional traders are currently paying for these. He's already said he wants taxpayers to buy these assets at future maturity rates. Wasn't that what Asbury Park residents wanted and didn't get in the redevelopment and rehab zones? Maureen --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: How do you use Mark to Market accounting when dealing with an asset that is not widely traded? You have no data upon which to set a value. Also, when a firm goes under and is selling off their assets at a fire sale, is it fair to use those sale numbers when someone else is valuing an asset under Mark to Market? Maybe the realty experts on the board can opine. If only we had someone on the board who regularly dealt with burden of valuing unique property? :-) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech asburycheech@ wrote: Hi Folks, Maureen Nevin who is a member of this group is having an issue with her internet connection, so she asked me to pass along the following. She has a lot of good information on her asburyradio.com website, but hoped those interested might like to read the following as well: -- Forwarded message -- From: Jay Hyde jhyde@ Date: Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 3:12 PM Subject: CAQ Urges Congress to Reject Proposals to Suspend Mark-to-Market (Fair Value) Accounting To: maureen@ September 30, 2008 Dear Member of Congress: The Center for Audit Quality (CAQ) believes that proposals advocating suspension of mark-to-market (or fair value) accounting are not in the best interest of investors or the capital markets and should be rejected. The principles of mark-to-market accounting are rooted in the fundamental virtue of transparency and are central to informed market decisions and efficient allocation of capital. In our view, investor confidence would be undermined by efforts designed to mask the actual value of financial assets at a given point in time. It is important to underscore that mark-to-market accounting has contributed positively to revelations about the severity of the economic crisis facing our country's credit markets and certain institutions, but it did not create the economic crisis. Recently, some have suggested that the Securities and Exchange Commission (Commission or SEC) or the Financial Accounting Standards Board (FASB) should suspend the application of mark-to- market or fair value accounting or somehow impose a moratorium on mark-to- market requirements for certain financial institutions when preparing financial statements to be used by investors. Although determining fair values for financial instruments in an illiquid market can be challenging, the best estimate of the prices that would be received for such instruments in orderly transactions occurring at the measurement date remains the most relevant information for investors and policymakers. To lessen the
[AsburyPark] Value
What determines value? One partiular unit in North Beach has the master bed and part of the liv rm blocked by roof infront of it. It's like the architect could calculate correctly. The rest of the lv rm has nice south view and east views I think the original asking price when things were hot was around $1.1m or $999. I showed it yesterday and the sale price is alot,lot less. For value, the couple asked good questions - flimsly shower doors, the ac unit exhaust blows onto the tiny balcony etc.. They were looking at value. Then came the how much are the taxes... and then an explanation of the abatement... Value today is what you have in your pocket and what you are willing to take out of your pocket for that perceived value. If you bought a house intending to flip it, good chance you and or your bank are screwed...for now. UNless you have someone who is looking for a principal residence and likes your home, the price and value they see in it. I got a Jeep. I thought that much off the sticker price is a better value for what I really needed it for compared to my first choices which I didn't want to struggle to pay for. And I don't know how some guys manage to drive Range Rovers around the streets of NYC ): Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Full Rolling Stone Story
John when the topic was which party did or did not want regulation of Fannie and Freddie, I posted a congressional hearing with members of each party weighing in. To prove racism by Republicans, you posted a column about the KKK and then others about college kids who call themselves conservative acting racist. Hardly the same. Will you EVER say anything about that congressional hearing? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Support: http://tinyurl.com/4srqem On Oct 2, 2008, at 12:32 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: The racist response in the Republican Party to the Obama campaign IS the issue. Stop trying to sweep this under the rug. You aren't giving any support for what you say. Your're just yelling accusations. There's no challenge in that. What say you about that congressional hearing (if you don't respond this time I'll just figure you don't want to face what was said there, and instead are content to call people names). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Full Rolling Stone Story
You said I offered no support. I did. Now, you've got other requests all lined up in order to cover yourself. Too bad. Next! On Oct 2, 2008, at 1:33 PM, justifiedright wrote: John when the topic was which party did or did not want regulation of Fannie and Freddie, I posted a congressional hearing with members of each party weighing in. To prove racism by Republicans, you posted a column about the KKK and then others about college kids who call themselves conservative acting racist. Hardly the same. Will you EVER say anything about that congressional hearing? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Support: http://tinyurl.com/4srqem On Oct 2, 2008, at 12:32 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John jerseyshorejohn@ wrote: The racist response in the Republican Party to the Obama campaign IS the issue. Stop trying to sweep this under the rug. You aren't giving any support for what you say. Your're just yelling accusations. There's no challenge in that. What say you about that congressional hearing (if you don't respond this time I'll just figure you don't want to face what was said there, and instead are content to call people names). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Value
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What determines value? another market problem.. a guy like me goes and makes some moves to buy some GE (General Electric) for stability and now (as of this minute) a nice dividend based on stock price. I buy it at what I think is a great value even taking into account GE financing arm and god only knows. Then, a few hours later, a guy named Warren Buffet must of heard that I buy GE for all the right reasons, and he says shit, Dave must know something. So he picks up the phone, calls Mrs. Buffet and gets her ok to move $3 BILLION into GE, getting a 10% dividend and all kinds of other goodies to protect, more or less his investment. Then GE makes his deal even nicer, allowing Mr. B to get their new stock offering(funny paper money a company is permitted to issue at will) at quite a bit less then, say a guy like me got to buy. Even though the news was public yesterday, the news news news didn't come til today. Large companies have the ability to destroy the average stockholder as will. They do this by issuing almost any form of collateral or perceived collateral. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Value
What determines value? A source once told me that the stock market is like attending a ballet. But the value isn't in what price you put on the performance, but what the majority of the audience thought of it. Share value dillution is another issue and a big problem. But a bigger one is the sophistication happening in the equity markets today, where huge blocks are trading, or crossing, without anyone knowing party A was trying to dump so many shares. They often trade in what are called dark pools. The process is meant to ultimately protect your retirement funds, for one example, from a drop in share price due to market impact. But now other sophisticated players -- Bloomberg for one -- have figured ways to mine these deep pools, for a price. So these customers will have information that the average investor doesn't have. It's another blow to the SEC's on-going efforts to keep the markets a level playing field for Joe Six-Pack, if you will. Maureen --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: What determines value? another market problem.. a guy like me goes and makes some moves to buy some GE (General Electric) for stability and now (as of this minute) a nice dividend based on stock price. I buy it at what I think is a great value even taking into account GE financing arm and god only knows. Then, a few hours later, a guy named Warren Buffet must of heard that I buy GE for all the right reasons, and he says shit, Dave must know something. So he picks up the phone, calls Mrs. Buffet and gets her ok to move $3 BILLION into GE, getting a 10% dividend and all kinds of other goodies to protect, more or less his investment. Then GE makes his deal even nicer, allowing Mr. B to get their new stock offering(funny paper money a company is permitted to issue at will) at quite a bit less then, say a guy like me got to buy. Even though the news was public yesterday, the news news news didn't come til today. Large companies have the ability to destroy the average stockholder as will. They do this by issuing almost any form of collateral or perceived collateral. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] a question of balance
Sorry Gabby, nothing to do with herbs on the list. All the extreme partisans who have gone overboard defending and exulting their party's platforms and candidates really need to take a deep breath of fresh air. To think that this most important of elections can come down to party politics is a shame and a sin. The most amazing thing about this polarized extremism is that is the part of peace love and understanding who are the radical hate spewing win at all costs while those button down conservatives are reeling from the past 8 years and have seemingly decided to flow with the times. I sit at my laptop and read and read and read, hoping to gain the needed info that will sway my vote, I especially try to take in everything Obama has to say; sadly, he hasn't come close to convincing me that he can do anything besides read a speech and act like a rock star whereas I read the Republican hoopla and every now and then, contrary to their opponents, they bring up corruption and the need to stop accepting it, to fight it, and eliminate it. Until Sarah Palin was nominated there was nary a mention of the C word. So it took a woman, a Mom, A PTA member, a Mayor, a Govenor, and her fresh breath of common sense to tell America how she fought corruption. Those of us who have worked and played and lived in Asbury Park for more than a couple of weeks know exactly how corruption can ruin a good thing. Give credit where credit is due and open up your eyes to both sides and then try to make a learned decision. Or, be like a hinge swinging back and forth, rusting over time, but never going anywhere Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Man of Love
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I asked this before. Does anyone know who Patriarch Athenegoras is? the guy by conventional hall. = Search: (greek Patriarch Athenagoras asbury park) Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] a question of balance
Yes. And THANK GOODNESS 8 years of Politics By Rove DID NOTHING to poison the well. On Oct 2, 2008, at 6:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Gabby, nothing to do with herbs on the list. All the extreme partisans who have gone overboard defending and exulting their party's platforms and candidates really need to take a deep breath of fresh air. To think that this most important of elections can come down to party politics is a shame and a sin. The most amazing thing about this polarized extremism is that is the part of peace love and understanding who are the radical hate spewing win at all costs while those button down conservatives are reeling from the past 8 years and have seemingly decided to flow with the times. I sit at my laptop and read and read and read, hoping to gain the needed info that will sway my vote, I especially try to take in everything Obama has to say; sadly, he hasn't come close to convincing me that he can do anything besides read a speech and act like a rock star whereas I read the Republican hoopla and every now and then, contrary to their opponents, they bring up corruption and the need to stop accepting it, to fight it, and eliminate it. Until Sarah Palin was nominated there was nary a mention of the C word. So it took a woman, a Mom, A PTA member, a Mayor, a Govenor, and her fresh breath of common sense to tell America how she fought corruption. Those of us who have worked and played and lived in Asbury Park for more than a couple of weeks know exactly how corruption can ruin a good thing. Give credit where credit is due and open up your eyes to both sides and then try to make a learned decision. Or, be like a hinge swinging back and forth, rusting over time, but never going anywhere [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: a question of balance
sometimes these wonders just pop into my head...usually best to not hit send. DUDE...if you think that Palin is clean you are blinded. she is all female ugliness. behind the scenes finagling, secrecy, i don't think the world yet knows how ugly women can be. just like the librarian (i think its the librarian) she scares the bejeezus out of me. AND...if for no other reason, you are getting all the same creeps that we've had...if nothing else a little freshening of the meat may be beneficial.Palin is a ROVE creation more and more every day. i am by no means a partisan person. i know the dems rot in many ways. i am a Nader lover, but what good is someone like him when we have done nothing to demand that we hear him and Paul and other third party candidates. that is the real crime to me. i consider our politics fixed, just some minor differences between the parties...but after 8 years of complete deterioration, just change the (*^%% sheets. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: a question of balance
Sarah Palin represents everything that I think is wrong with this country. Her sarcastic, insult laden speech at the Republican convention sickened me, and that was her coming out party. She lost any respect that I had an open mind to at that very moment. Her interviews with Katie Couric leave me speechless. She advocates the senseless and violent killing of wolves. She is a member of a church that thinks speaking in tongues is just fine. She wants to see Roe vs. Wade overturned. And you call all that a fresh breath of common sense Unbelievable. And ignorant. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Gabby, nothing to do with herbs on the list. All the extreme partisans who have gone overboard defending and exulting their party's platforms and candidates really need to take a deep breath of fresh air. To think that this most important of elections can come down to party politics is a shame and a sin. The most amazing thing about this polarized extremism is that is the part of peace love and understanding who are the radical hate spewing win at all costs while those button down conservatives are reeling from the past 8 years and have seemingly decided to flow with the times. I sit at my laptop and read and read and read, hoping to gain the needed info that will sway my vote, I especially try to take in everything Obama has to say; sadly, he hasn't come close to convincing me that he can do anything besides read a speech and act like a rock star whereas I read the Republican hoopla and every now and then, contrary to their opponents, they bring up corruption and the need to stop accepting it, to fight it, and eliminate it. Until Sarah Palin was nominated there was nary a mention of the C word. So it took a woman, a Mom, A PTA member, a Mayor, a Govenor, and her fresh breath of common sense to tell America how she fought corruption. Those of us who have worked and played and lived in Asbury Park for more than a couple of weeks know exactly how corruption can ruin a good thing. Give credit where credit is due and open up your eyes to both sides and then try to make a learned decision. Or, be like a hinge swinging back and forth, rusting over time, but never going anywhere Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Palin / Obama
this was such a nice thing to read. i am not a mother so i always appreciate stuff like this from moms. please god, give all young and horny kids birth control. my dad used to say I could never figure it out...everyone was supposed to marry a virgin, but EVERYONE wanted to get laid. lets hope the republicans don't win just so that Levi and Bristol have a better chance at freedom. there is probably a contract somewhere... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my greatest fears is that my son would get a girl with a parent like Palin pregnant. I can only hope he will use condoms like I've told him to even though the Sarah Palins of the world would consider him way too young. I feel for the kid who got her pregnant too. That's two kids who probably may end up resenting one another a whole lot over time. Abstinence only parents seem to forget wat it was like to be young and horny. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] bang a drum
Proving my point with bells. And you call all that a fresh breath of common sense Unbelievable. And ignorant. Theres that hate-filled angry insults preceded by a few slanted headlines. Shooting wolves and delivering the front leg is a heinous act. Aborting babies is cool. Talking in tongues is bad, while the other guys minister preaches against America in a racist voice. And, of course, a woman's speech sickened you while it clearly has inspired millions across the country you so readily declare your hatred of. An ignorant person would read the headlines and day dream A person with a fresh breath of common sense would dig a little to get the answers to those trivial things that perplex the high and mighty. The wolves are like the deer, and sadly, the bears here in jersey. There's one simple answer for ya'. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Man of Love
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it this guy Werner? http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/resources/hierarchs/constantinople/former/jo hn_thermon_athenagoras.htm around the late 40;s 50's? sorry..kinda dumb of me not to go there first, but i would have needed help anyway..its not that clear..there is also a constantinople guy. Seems so, This will clarify: http://tinyurl.com/3u975 http://www.greeknewsonline.com/modules.php? name=Newsfile=articlesid=9073mode=threadorder=0thold=0 ...His Eminence, Metropolitan Evangelos will also conduct a Trisagion Service for the late Patriarch Athenagoras and place a wreath over a statue erected by the City of Asbury Park in his honor on the Boardwalk. The Holy Cross Celebration and Blessing of the Waters in Asbury Park was instituted by the then Archbishop of North and South America and later Ecumenical Patriarch Athenagoras in 1947, with the prayer that the world's oceans, which connect all peoples of the Earth, could also become vessels that transmit the hope and triumph of Christ's Cross. The Holy Cross Celebration in Asbury Park, NJ, held annually in September on the first Sunday following the Exaltation of the Holy Cross, is considered to be one of the watershed and joyous events of the New Ecclesiastical Year for the Greek Orthodox Metropolis of New Jersey, and as such, draws Orthodox Faithful from throughout the Metropolitan area who join together in prayer as the one Body of Christ. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Man of Love
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it this guy Werner? http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/resources/hierarchs/constantinople/former/jo hn_thermon_athenagoras.htm around the late 40;s 50's? sorry..kinda dumb of me not to go there first, but i would have needed help anyway..its not that clear..there is also a constantinople guy. == Seems so, This will clarify: http://tinyurl.com/3u9753 (http://www.greeknewsonline.com/modules.php? name=Newsfile=articlesid=9073mode=threadorder=0thold=0) ...His Eminence, Metropolitan Evangelos will also conduct a Trisagion Service for the late Patriarch Athenagoras and place a wreath over a statue erected by the City of Asbury Park in his honor on the Boardwalk. The Holy Cross Celebration and Blessing of the Waters in Asbury Park was instituted by the then Archbishop of North and South America and later Ecumenical Patriarch Athenagoras in 1947, with the prayer that the world's oceans, which connect all peoples of the Earth, could also become vessels that transmit the hope and triumph of Christ's Cross. The Holy Cross Celebration in Asbury Park, NJ, held annually in September on the first Sunday following the Exaltation of the Holy Cross, is considered to be one of the watershed and joyous events of the New Ecclesiastical Year for the Greek Orthodox Metropolis of New Jersey, and as such, draws Orthodox Faithful from throughout the Metropolitan area who join together in prayer as the one Body of Christ. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Man of Love
http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/resources/hierarchs/constantino\ ple/former/john_thermon_athenagoras.htm http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/resources/hierarchs/constantin\ ople/former/john_thermon_athenagoras.htm --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: is it this guy Werner? http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/resources/hierarchs/constantino\ ple/former/jo hn_thermon_athenagoras.htm around the late 40;s 50's? sorry..kinda dumb of me not to go there first, but i would have needed help anyway..its not that clear..there is also a constantinople guy. == Seems so, This will clarify: http://tinyurl.com/3u9753 (http://www.greeknewsonline.com/modules.php? name=Newsfile=articlesid=9073mode=threadorder=0thold=0) ...His Eminence, Metropolitan Evangelos will also conduct a Trisagion Service for the late Patriarch Athenagoras and place a wreath over a statue erected by the City of Asbury Park in his honor on the Boardwalk. The Holy Cross Celebration and Blessing of the Waters in Asbury Park was instituted by the then Archbishop of North and South America and later Ecumenical Patriarch Athenagoras in 1947, with the prayer that the world's oceans, which connect all peoples of the Earth, could also become vessels that transmit the hope and triumph of Christ's Cross. The Holy Cross Celebration in Asbury Park, NJ, held annually in September on the first Sunday following the Exaltation of the Holy Cross, is considered to be one of the watershed and joyous events of the New Ecclesiastical Year for the Greek Orthodox Metropolis of New Jersey, and as such, draws Orthodox Faithful from throughout the Metropolitan area who join together in prayer as the one Body of Christ. Werner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Man of Love
http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/resources/hierarchs/constantino\ ple/former/john_thermon_athenagoras.htm http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/resources/hierarchs/constantin\ ople/former/john_thermon_athenagoras.htm --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ wrote: is it this guy Werner? http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/resources/hierarchs/constantino\ ple/former/jo hn_thermon_athenagoras.htm around the late 40;s 50's? sorry..kinda dumb of me not to go there first, but i would have needed help anyway..its not that clear..there is also a constantinople guy. == Seems so, This will clarify: http://tinyurl.com/3u9753 (http://www.greeknewsonline.com/modules.php? name=Newsfile=articlesid=9073mode=threadorder=0thold=0) ...His Eminence, Metropolitan Evangelos will also conduct a Trisagion Service for the late Patriarch Athenagoras and place a wreath over a statue erected by the City of Asbury Park in his honor on the Boardwalk. The Holy Cross Celebration and Blessing of the Waters in Asbury Park was instituted by the then Archbishop of North and South America and later Ecumenical Patriarch Athenagoras in 1947, with the prayer that the world's oceans, which connect all peoples of the Earth, could also become vessels that transmit the hope and triumph of Christ's Cross. The Holy Cross Celebration in Asbury Park, NJ, held annually in September on the first Sunday following the Exaltation of the Holy Cross, is considered to be one of the watershed and joyous events of the New Ecclesiastical Year for the Greek Orthodox Metropolis of New Jersey, and as such, draws Orthodox Faithful from throughout the Metropolitan area who join together in prayer as the one Body of Christ. Werner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: bang a drum
You are wrong. I don't hate anybody, not even you, and I never mentioned the word hate. But you did, several times. It's sad that you are trying to twist my words into hatred. That says quite a bit more about you then it says about me. I love my country, but I am saddened by what we've become. Please don't put words that I didn't use into my mouth. I stand 100% behind every other statement I made. The only one I'm willing to concede is it may have been in bad taste for me to call you ignorant. Finally, many of Rev. Wrights statements were taken out of context via the YouTube soundbyte obsessed generation. I'm not saying I agree with him, but you only heard what the media wanted you to hear. I listened to complete versions of those same speeches, and they weren't as heinous as the general population has been led to believe. And let's not forget, Obama responded with one of the most eloquent speeches ever given about the race issue in our country, and he rejected Wright. This isn't the America I grew up in, plus, I have a perspective that many of us don't have...I spent years and years of my life traveling around the world, and working alongside people of many different nationalities. I will never say America is the greatest country because I think we are a part of a larger world, and when you qualify anything as greatest best or #1 you are speaking of competition. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proving my point with bells. And you call all that a fresh breath of common sense Unbelievable. And ignorant. There's that hate-filled angry insults preceded by a few slanted headlines. Shooting wolves and delivering the front leg is a heinous act. Aborting babies is cool. Talking in tongues is bad, while the other guys minister preaches against America in a racist voice. And, of course, a woman's speech sickened you while it clearly has inspired millions across the country you so readily declare your hatred of. An ignorant person would read the headlines and day dream A person with a fresh breath of common sense would dig a little to get the answers to those trivial things that perplex the high and mighty. The wolves are like the deer, and sadly, the bears here in jersey. There's one simple answer for ya'. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
