[AsburyPark] Re: That Other Election
I don't have any individual names, but I would love to see a little more diversity. someone from the west side community who isn't already entangled. More women, preferably one with some autonomy and not just hanging on threads the current leadership throws out. There is a woman on the zoning board whose name escapes who seems pretty fair, balanced, intelligent and caring. and someone with a lot of tattoos. and i would like Jim Keady to stay. He seems to be the only one who understands that political office is an office of service. not to yourself or your clan, to the entire community. i keep wanting to write something about the the tribes of asbury. i would like to see more tribes represented. speaking of tribes, Tommy, the point is to transcend them, not defend, battle etc. If there is not leadership ready people from the less heard from tribes that is another issue entirely. and something that may be partially explained by a great educator James Taylor Gatto. great article here http://www.odemagazine.com/doc/57/childhoods-end Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bad Lighting Continues unabated...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner, with all the BS flying back and forth on this board right now I never thought I could be so grateful to see you complain about lighting! AsburyCouple, Aren't complaints about Asbury Park's lighting overstated, because what is good or bad is really in the eye of the beholder? There's certainly no real objective standard despite anyone's attempt to make one, because it truly is a matter of peronal likes and dislikes. Anecdotally: When I was growing up, the sign from Freddy's Pizza on Asbury Avenue could be seen from by bedroom window. There was a street light outside, too. I was used to all the light. When I went to law school I lived in a 300 year old Manor House in the middle of 40 acres in the woods. My first night I was there alone. I shut out the bedroom light and couldn't believe the complete and total darkness. I tried waving my hand directly in front of my wide open eyes, and there was nothing - like I was blind. Dead silence too. At first I didn't like it.Wasn't me. I didn't feel at home without that Freddy's Pizza sign or the sound of cars and people. However, after about a month, I LOVED IT! I understood the rural concept. There isn't a loneliness like I feared. Instead there's a sense of ownership, of home. That piece of the Universie is yours - you control it and know it and it's a defensive postion: Someone who wants me is going to be at a great disadvantage getting to me. My back to Asbury point is: I unltimately didn't have to choose. My enjoyment of lighting or no lighting was not mutually exclusive. I could dig them both. So what's the big deal? It's lighting. It will affect people differently. A giant so what. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: That Other Election
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have any individual names, but I would love to see a little more diversity. someone from the west side community who isn't already entangled. I can only think of two councilmembers from the Southwest side of Asbury Park in my lifetime. That's whey Asbury Park needs to go to a ward system, to allow one councilmember from each section of town. Ward systems were created exactly for places like Asbury Park where there are distinct neighborhoods. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bad Lighting Continues unabated...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it would also be refreshing to complain about the fact that the Arthur Pryor Bandshell will probably never see the light of day again, because people have given a free pass to MM to do whatever they want. They don't seem to care either. Everyone is distracted with the new stores and shops. Don't get me wrong, I think they're very nice, and great additions to the boardwalk. Langosta Lounge, Stella Marina, and The Watermark are all opening soon... and the taco place is going to start serving beer (according to their sign)... plenty of places for people to go and things to do... people seem to not notice the rotting roof over the stage of the bandshell. Really makes that pavilion look like you know what. Still waiting for MM to come out with their agenda for next summer... lets see if it includes things they said they would finish last summer, including the green spaces, 2nd ave pavilion, and bandshell... oh and lets not forget the 2010 target date to open the new eastern portion of the casino... a year and a half until that summer comes along, yet still no design or concept of what it might include. And scaffolding still remains in tatters on the north side of the Paramount theate... with a black shroud tangled on one of the light fixtures. Not to mention the lobby into Convention Hall still falling apart, and the patched concrete poured over the beautiful terazzo floor in the grand arcade. Lets not hope this is how they intend on leaving the renovations, because they really are just seem to be patching up everything. Man does it feel good to talk about Asbury Park again. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bad Lighting Continues unabated...
Tom, I wasn't commenting on the lighting one way or the other - just that it was great to actually see someone bringing up a topic about Asbury Park again for a change. Political discussions are one thing but the personal attacks going back and forth get pretty old pretty fast. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Werner, with all the BS flying back and forth on this board right now I never thought I could be so grateful to see you complain about lighting! AsburyCouple, Aren't complaints about Asbury Park's lighting overstated, because what is good or bad is really in the eye of the beholder? There's certainly no real objective standard despite anyone's attempt to make one, because it truly is a matter of peronal likes and dislikes. Anecdotally: When I was growing up, the sign from Freddy's Pizza on Asbury Avenue could be seen from by bedroom window. There was a street light outside, too. I was used to all the light. When I went to law school I lived in a 300 year old Manor House in the middle of 40 acres in the woods. My first night I was there alone. I shut out the bedroom light and couldn't believe the complete and total darkness. I tried waving my hand directly in front of my wide open eyes, and there was nothing - like I was blind. Dead silence too. At first I didn't like it.Wasn't me. I didn't feel at home without that Freddy's Pizza sign or the sound of cars and people. However, after about a month, I LOVED IT! I understood the rural concept. There isn't a loneliness like I feared. Instead there's a sense of ownership, of home. That piece of the Universie is yours - you control it and know it and it's a defensive postion: Someone who wants me is going to be at a great disadvantage getting to me. My back to Asbury point is: I unltimately didn't have to choose. My enjoyment of lighting or no lighting was not mutually exclusive. I could dig them both. So what's the big deal? It's lighting. It will affect people differently. A giant so what. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bad Lighting Continues unabated...
I saw work being done on the band shell over the summer. i have no idea what the plans are but it seems if there were plans to get rid of it, they wouldn't have been cleaning it up??? no idea. i understand the concern and even some of the complaints. i am fascinated by the willingness to go after MM but not the city leadership. every summer i have been here, asbury has taken a step up, the last two significantly so. i imagine that is what everyone wants, so then why the constant griping? can everything happen overnight? i personally would like to see things happen slowly even if with fits and starts than end up with some cheap architectural puke like long branch, which ap will never be even if the only historical architectural threads are convention hall the hojo bldg and the carousel bdg. when we don't take care of things they die. i have romantic childhood memories of asbury too, but the present is a pretty good time as well. and i am so psyched for the italian place. can't wait to live beyond my means with a cocktail on that roof! got lucky and wandered into the biz card exchange at langosta, it looks awesome. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: That Other Election
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre I can only think of two councilmembers from the Southwest side of Asbury Park in my lifetime. That's whey Asbury Park needs to go to a ward system, to allow one councilmember from each section of town. Ward systems were created exactly for places like Asbury Park where there are distinct neighborhoods. I hear what you're saying, but just to play devil's advocate here: Wouldn't that reinforce the balkanization of a town that shouldn't naturally have distinct neighborhoods? By that I mean the current division between east and west is a stubborn legacy of the Bradley era, when certain people were allowed to work near the ocean but not live there, yes? One might presume (erroneously perhaps?) that the city would want to move beyond that and work toward eliminating the stark demographic differences between each side of the tracks. Would cutting up a 1 square mile town into wards do that? Also, is there in fact a system, written or otherwise, that doesn't allow someone from the southwest portion of town to run for office? I just looked up each of the council members' addresses on WhitePages.com. They all live in the north end of town, where the properties are predominantly owner occupied houses. The south end of town trends a little more toward apartment complexes and rented houses, right? Might that have something to do with it? I don't know the details of each council member's living arrangements, obviously, so this is all very unscientific, but might it be that property owners tend to be more compelled toward public service? I emphasize tend there. I'm sure there are plenty of apartment dwellers working for the city. But it stands to reason that if you've taken out a mortgage and accepted the responsibility of property maintenance and the like, you're more inclined to invest your time and effort into city government. Whereas, if you're in an apartment that, particularly in this economy, you may have to leave at any moment and move to another town, you might not be as compelled to invest the time and effort required to run for office. Certainly the residents of the southwest side deserve equal representation, and from what I've read here and on Maureen's page, it seems like Keady and Johnson are both trying their best to provide that. Maybe someone who lives in that area can speak to that more in detail. But if a ward system was implemented, isn't it possible you might wind up with council members by default? e.g. Well, one of us has to do it, so, alright, vote for me, candidate A. But you wouldn't be getting a candidate as personally invested in the job as someone who ran with the idea of representing the WHOLE town, regardless of what street he or she lives on. Again, I don't really know. Just throwing that out there. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bad Lighting Continues unabated...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so then why the constant griping? can everything happen overnight? i personally would like to see things happen slowly even if with fits and starts than end up with some cheap architectural puke like long branch, which ap will never be even if the only historical architectural threads are convention hall the hojo bldg and the carousel bdg. when we don't take care of things they die. i have romantic childhood memories of asbury too, but the present is a pretty good time as well. I don't know about everyone else, but my biggest concern is for Convention Hall. The building cant just get a half-ass renovation, in my opinion. I know there are others who agree. Just take a look at the rest of the building, not the south entrance to the arcade. Everything else is in worse shape than ever. And when the building sits there for an entire summer of beautiful weather, when plenty of work could be done, its just sad to see it continue to be neglected. One eighth of the building being restored isnt a restoration... its a patch job. Work has stopped, theres no doubt about it. Its not that they're working slow on it, its that they're not working on it at all... whats the status of the company doing the restoration? Did they go under? Or maybe they're not getting paid? Something is going on with the restoration (or should I say not going on). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bad Lighting Continues unabated...
ok i hear your concern, and again maybe in my case ignorance is bliss, but i spend a lot of time in there, walk and ride through it on a regular basis go to otools, the bb etc..and there is usually something going on in terms of work, small construction, or simply maintenance. and it looks better on the whole than it did 6 months ago. we may have to tolerate slow growth depending on the economy and it doesn't look so good today. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Taking advantage of new outlets???
Doesn't seem to be the case so far. The new outlets in Tinton Falls website list accomodations and attractions in the area... mentions hotels and attractions in local towns from Red Bank to Avon to Wall to Asbury's next door neighbor Ocean Grove... but no mention of Asbury Park at all. Count Basie Theatre makes it (and even the State Theatre from 30 miles north in New Brunswick!), but not Convention Hall or the Stone Pony or anything! No Berkely or Empress hotels in the accomodations directory... complete disregard for anything Asbury. http://www.premiumoutlets.com/outlets/attractions.asp?id=78 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Taking advantage of new outlets???
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stone Pony or anything! No Berkely or Empress hotels in the accomodations directory... complete disregard for anything Asbury. http://www.premiumoutlets.com/outlets/attractions.asp?id=78 It's not the outlet's job to post. Asbury has quite a few people to do marketing. Maybe one of them (or more) should pick up the phone and say hey... There's also a couple billboards out there. People see billboards. Billboards are big business. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Taking advantage of new outlets???
Actually took a ride on the property last Friday. The entrance near Seabrook is wide open. It is a huge piece of property and set up sort of strange all of the stores face each other like a small old-fashioned Main Street. It is pretty much an outdoor mall with an overhead canopy covering the main mall area. It isn't as spread out as Woodbury Commons but has the same number of outlet stores. I am not looking forward to the traffic that it will create but certainly want to see how far away from Tinton Falls the dollars come from. How far will people travel to save a few bucks? --- On Mon, 10/6/08, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Taking advantage of new outlets??? To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 11:07 AM Doesn't seem to be the case so far. The new outlets in Tinton Falls website list accomodations and attractions in the area... mentions hotels and attractions in local towns from Red Bank to Avon to Wall to Asbury's next door neighbor Ocean Grove... but no mention of Asbury Park at all. Count Basie Theatre makes it (and even the State Theatre from 30 miles north in New Brunswick!), but not Convention Hall or the Stone Pony or anything! No Berkely or Empress hotels in the accomodations directory... complete disregard for anything Asbury. http://www.premiumo utlets.com/ outlets/attracti ons.asp?id= 78 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Taking advantage of new outlets???
I think the main thing about AP accommodations is that they leave something to be desired. You have to sign a waiver to stay at the Empress because of the noise from the club, and The Berkley is not such a great place to stay. Check out these reviews on Trip Advisor - http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g29748-d98391-Reviews-Berkeley_Hotel- Asbury_Park_New_Jersey.html --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't seem to be the case so far. The new outlets in Tinton Falls website list accomodations and attractions in the area... mentions hotels and attractions in local towns from Red Bank to Avon to Wall to Asbury's next door neighbor Ocean Grove... but no mention of Asbury Park at all. Count Basie Theatre makes it (and even the State Theatre from 30 miles north in New Brunswick!), but not Convention Hall or the Stone Pony or anything! No Berkely or Empress hotels in the accomodations directory... complete disregard for anything Asbury. http://www.premiumoutlets.com/outlets/attractions.asp?id=78 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Taking advantage of new outlets???
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... complete disregard for anything Asbury. http://www.premiumoutlets.com/outlets/attractions.asp?id=78 Actually, complete disregard for anything Monmouth County. Under Attractions, they've got only the Basie, Allaire and (in Middlesex) the State. That's it. No Algonquin in Manasquan, no Turkey Swamp in Freehold, no Raceway Park just over the line in Old Bridge. And, yeah, nothing in Asbury Park, OR Belmar (fishing?), Ocean Twp. (movies?), OR Oceanport. (Monmouth Park? Hello?) This seems to be the closest thing they have to contact info for nearby merchants wanting to arrange a promtional tie-in: http://www.premiumoutlets.com/traveltrade/incentive.shtml Maybe Allaire, the Basie and the State are the only ones who have called them up so far. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] AC
Interesting weekend in AC. Kept to close to home for the 23rd. You wonder about the economy? Taj was packed for Brooks and Dunn. Tropicanna packed Sat night. Borgata good crowd as well. Can't beat a free room. NExt to trop new art deco hotel opened - no casino but a couple steps to the trop. What the Berk should be and probably will be. Everything cost money. People seem to forget that. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Taking advantage of new outlets???
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you look at all their locations, they don't advertise everything around them. It's just a general idea of things in the area. Their goal is to get you to THEIR stores, not everyone elses. That's why casinos make it impossible to walk out or to have a clue what time it is. People will drive to the outlets. I've been hauled around on a saturday just to marshalls from Toms river to paramus. People drive from all over to piss it away in AC as well. And Jack's observation's about the Empress and Berk are pretty accurate. The Empress cannot be considered family friendly as some may have a problem with the club. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
No, Bruce's right to speak isn't the same as mine. He can committ microphone abuse; I can't. He has the ability to attract many ears for a spacific purpose (music). When he then uses the mic for somehting other than music, that's microphone abuse. Bruce should shut up and sing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: http://tinyurl.com/3hegep Bruce is right. He has just the same right to voice his opinions as me, you and everybody else. That's part of what America stands for. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] A request about changing subject lines
Rather than change the subject line of an existing thread, it's better to start a new thread with the new subject. What can happen (and it has happened recently) is that the original poster, seeking feedback and discussion, finds that the initial message is lost in the shuffle and never gets a reply. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
if you're going to go after entertainers and artists in an attempt to silence their free speech, you should think about the free speech rights of corporate persons. which, interestingly, the ACLU has defended. you can find interesting info at http://reclaimdemocracy.org/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
Yeah, but Bruce was at a political rally, not a Bruce Springsteen concert. That makes all the difference in the world. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Bruce's right to speak isn't the same as mine. He can committ microphone abuse; I can't. He has the ability to attract many ears for a spacific purpose (music). When he then uses the mic for somehting other than music, that's microphone abuse. Bruce should shut up and sing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: http://tinyurl.com/3hegep Bruce is right. He has just the same right to voice his opinions as me, you and everybody else. That's part of what America stands for. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you're going to go after entertainers and artists in an attempt to silence their free speech, you should think about the free speech rights of corporate persons. which, interestingly, the ACLU has defended. you can find interesting info at http://reclaimdemocracy.org/ Remember Gabbi it's only unconstitutional if the government trys to silence Bruce Springsteen's free speech, not if I do it. Shut up and sing, Bruce. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but Bruce was at a political rally, not a Bruce Springsteen concert. That makes all the difference in the world. If I were to announce my own political rally for next week, how many people would show up and listen? That's why it's microphone abuse. He can pull a crowd to hear him sing. When he switches to politics, he's abusing the privilege of drawing a crowd. It's microphone abuse. Shut up and sing, Bruce. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
Oh please. He was an invited guest to the rally. A political rally, not a Bruce concert. Did you listen to the clip? It wasn't abusive in any way. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Yeah, but Bruce was at a political rally, not a Bruce Springsteen concert. That makes all the difference in the world. If I were to announce my own political rally for next week, how many people would show up and listen? That's why it's microphone abuse. He can pull a crowd to hear him sing. When he switches to politics, he's abusing the privilege of drawing a crowd. It's microphone abuse. Shut up and sing, Bruce. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: That Other Election
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since Asbury has had demographic regions since its inception more than a century ago, there is no quick fix to integrating it now. No indeed. I'm just wondering aloud if a ward system would bring the slow trickle of integration to a complete stop. At least the ward system would give immediate results - citywide representation on the council. Also, wouldn't the first step toward getting rid of the balenization be to give the disadvantaged a voice in the government so they will have the power to effect change? Good points. The middle class runs every town. There's a middle class in Rumson??? ;) The rich are having too much fun to care, the poor dealing with too many problems to care. You're probably right on the former, but the latter seems to contradict itself. I would think the more problems you have, the more you care (about who might help fix them). The southwest of Asbury Park is the poorest neighborhood in the state. Is there a Web site where this was reported? Not doubting you, just curious about the research method. I know they chaired the Springwood Avenue Redevelopment Committee. Besides that what do you mean? That was a big part of it. Other efforts have been referenced here and there: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/22274 He (Keady)stuggles, for the little guy and the people on the west-side love him! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/22105 My dream scenario is to have job training here on the west side as part of it, Johnson said. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/20898 ..when crimes are committed the people who commit them are brought to justice, City Councilman Jim Keady said Monday night. I think that the people on the west side of town are also tired of this, and they're beginning to act... http://asburyradio.com/sleeping_giant_west_of_the_track.htm Nunn said Keady attended the funeral of the murdered Tylik Pugh and has been the only constant presence on the West Side. Admittedly, these two sites are my only sources for what's going in AP, so maybe the rest of the council has made efforts too that aren't getting recognized. If so, I hope they get posted more often here. But that's why I very puposefully used the verb seems, to underscore that this is only an impression. On the other hand, maybe a person from the west side who feels they don't have the connections or money to run city-wide so they get discouraged and don't get involved, decides that know that they can win they will get involved. Another good point, though I wonder what sort of connections the present council members had. I'm not in the loop, so if the answer seems obvious, forgive me. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
Remember Gabbi it's only unconstitutional if the government trys to silence Bruce Springsteen's free speech, not if I do it. Shut up and sing, Bruce. ok sorta fair...then all i have is my grandmothers rule of no shut up. we could say all sorts of things (obviously) but no shut up and no oh my god. anyway...it was a rally for Obama like Jack says. ill slip this in a music threadmy sister just shared with me a discovery of an incredible music site created by the Music Genome Project http://www.pandora.com/. its amazing. creates a playlist based on music you enjoy. and can be further styled by your thumbs up or down...its taking me away from itunes radio. very cool. had to share. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Back to the outlet and AP....
Instead of wondering why the outlet center doesn't advert apmaybe someone from AP will advertise the fact that AP is only x miles from the outlet center - like Things to do in Area Supermarkets, Hotels etc. and arrange a shuttle service. And arrange 1 hours tours of AP from the outlet center. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Bruce's right to speak isn't the same as mine. He can committ microphone abuse; I can't. He has the ability to attract many ears for a spacific purpose (music). When he then uses the mic for somehting other than music, that's microphone abuse. Bruce should shut up and sing. Its not that he doesn't have a right to say it, its just that he has the power to say it. He should realize that not all of his fans dont share the same views as him, and keep his mouth shut during his concerts... if he wants to rant at a rally I have no problem with that, but otherwise keep your opinions to yourself. He does it at his concerts too... brings politics into certain songs... during the Magic tour he brought up issues of politics before some of his songs... I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on how to vote. I would prefer that all artists stop using politics and perform their music, but that wont happen. If your song has a message, it should be evident enough in the lyrics and people should be smart enough to realize the message the song is trying to portray... I dont need a famous face to tell me what my political views should be... I'll form them myself and not try to preach them among millions of complete strangers. These celebrities and musicians have more money than any of us could ever imagine... they dont live the same lives as us and shouldnt be telling us how to live or vote, no matter what side of the spectrum they fall. On a related note, I love the section in the coaster that asks the opinions of current events among local residents... you get to hear real voices of neighbors and everyday normal people. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: That Other Election
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a middle class in Rumson??? ;) Go to a bar called Murphy's Suds Sawdust in Rumson. Look around and you will see you are in a working class section of Rumson. By the way it's the coolest bar I've ever been to. It's someone's basement of their home. Right in the middle of a totally residential street. Apparantly it was grandfathered in and the neighborhood build around it over the years. The southwest of Asbury Park is the poorest neighborhood in the state. Is there a Web site where this was reported? Not doubting you, just curious about the research method. Good catch I meant to type County. I wouldn't doubt though that it ranks high on the State list of poorest neighborhoods (if there is a list). On the other hand, maybe a person from the west side who feels they don't have the connections or money to run city-wide so they get discouraged and don't get involved, decides that know that they can win they will get involved. Another good point, though I wonder what sort of connections the present council members had. I'm not in the loop, so if the answer seems obvious, forgive me. I don't mean anything sinister by connections. To run a successful campaign in any town, you need to build coalitions with differing neighborhoods. You need name recognition among all of them. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
Good points, arcman210. I actually feel bad for Oprah. I think she tried her best to support Obama without being combative, but someone should have said to her There is no way to do this without alienating some of your fans. I think her support for Obama was more of a Chicago thing than anything else. I give Oprah a pass. Bruce should shut up and sing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: No, Bruce's right to speak isn't the same as mine. He can committ microphone abuse; I can't. He has the ability to attract many ears for a spacific purpose (music). When he then uses the mic for somehting other than music, that's microphone abuse. Bruce should shut up and sing. Its not that he doesn't have a right to say it, its just that he has the power to say it. He should realize that not all of his fans dont share the same views as him, and keep his mouth shut during his concerts... if he wants to rant at a rally I have no problem with that, but otherwise keep your opinions to yourself. He does it at his concerts too... brings politics into certain songs... during the Magic tour he brought up issues of politics before some of his songs... I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on how to vote. I would prefer that all artists stop using politics and perform their music, but that wont happen. If your song has a message, it should be evident enough in the lyrics and people should be smart enough to realize the message the song is trying to portray... I dont need a famous face to tell me what my political views should be... I'll form them myself and not try to preach them among millions of complete strangers. These celebrities and musicians have more money than any of us could ever imagine... they dont live the same lives as us and shouldnt be telling us how to live or vote, no matter what side of the spectrum they fall. On a related note, I love the section in the coaster that asks the opinions of current events among local residents... you get to hear real voices of neighbors and everyday normal people. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Pope agrees with Gabbi and Jack
http://tinyurl.com/4raz7n Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: That Other Election
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: There's a middle class in Rumson??? ;) Go to a bar called Murphy's Suds Sawdust in Rumson. Look around and you will see you are in a working class section of Rumson. By the way it's the coolest bar I've ever been to. It's someone's basement of their home. Right in the middle of a totally residential street. Apparantly it was grandfathered in and the neighborhood build around it over the years. You learn something new every day. I'll have to check it out. The southwest of Asbury Park is the poorest neighborhood in the state. Is there a Web site where this was reported? Not doubting you, just curious about the research method. Good catch I meant to type County. Okay, that makes a little more sense. I don't mean anything sinister by connections. To run a successful campaign in any town, you need to build coalitions with differing neighborhoods. You need name recognition among all of them. Okay, well then you're talking shoe-leather. Hitting the bricks. Anyone on the west side could do that if they were so motivated, no? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: That Other Election
Go to a bar called Murphy's Suds Sawdust in Rumson. Never heard it called anything other than Murphy's Bar, but it is located at 17 Ward Lane off East River Road. Parking is tight. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on how to vote. You can still wield the power of the purse, no? If you know going in that there's a good chance Bruce might spend a significant portion of the show talking politics, and you don't want to hear that, why buy the ticket? Imagine how many early Lenny Bruce fans stopped paying to see his gigs becuase he spent most of his later shows reading court transcripts instead of telling jokes. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on how to vote. You can still wield the power of the purse, no? If you know going in that there's a good chance Bruce might spend a significant portion of the show talking politics, and you don't want to hear that, why buy the ticket? Imagine how many early Lenny Bruce fans stopped paying to see his gigs becuase he spent most of his later shows reading court transcripts instead of telling jokes. I still want to see him perform, and I'll go see the show regardless of whether or not he talks politics... and still enjoy most of it. But when he starts ranting about politics, I would have more respect for him as a person if he respected the fact that all people don't have the same opinions as he does. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
But the fact remains, that this was an Obama political rally. I sincerely doubt that anybody in attendence thought shut up and sing for even a heartbeat. And since when did a few comments at a concert, a rally, or anywhere become ranting Bruce sings about political issues, so why can he also talk about them? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on how to vote. You can still wield the power of the purse, no? If you know going in that there's a good chance Bruce might spend a significant portion of the show talking politics, and you don't want to hear that, why buy the ticket? Imagine how many early Lenny Bruce fans stopped paying to see his gigs becuase he spent most of his later shows reading court transcripts instead of telling jokes. I still want to see him perform, and I'll go see the show regardless of whether or not he talks politics... and still enjoy most of it. But when he starts ranting about politics, I would have more respect for him as a person if he respected the fact that all people don't have the same opinions as he does. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Pope agrees with Gabbi and Jack
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/4raz7n this is something you should have posted in the politics list. its not really a pain in the ass to move back and forth. bookmark the yahoo groups home page and you can move back and forth easily. or have the two groups open in two different tabs. be a nice gesture to the local only people. and they are right. but...i knew there was a reason i didn't mind going to church with my catholic italian friends on sunday morning when i slept over. money is sort of unreal and that is obvious when you look at the markets. down around 8% at one point today. its a question of how much to we need from the external world for our happiness. some need more, some need less. it is like most everything to me a spiritual problem, or a problem of consciousness. wrong board though. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
Yeah. It's a real shame you have no talent or career. Bruce should say whatever he likes. And if you don't like, it just shows how right he is. More power to him. BRUUUCE! (Back to Ted Nugent?) On Oct 6, 2008, at 12:07 PM, justifiedright wrote: No, Bruce's right to speak isn't the same as mine. He can committ microphone abuse; I can't. He has the ability to attract many ears for a spacific purpose (music). When he then uses the mic for somehting other than music, that's microphone abuse. Bruce should shut up and sing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: http://tinyurl.com/3hegep Bruce is right. He has just the same right to voice his opinions as me, you and everybody else. That's part of what America stands for. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
Hey: Tommy: Shut Up and Lie in Court. On Oct 6, 2008, at 12:37 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if you're going to go after entertainers and artists in an attempt to silence their free speech, you should think about the free speech rights of corporate persons. which, interestingly, the ACLU has defended. you can find interesting info at http://reclaimdemocracy.org/ Remember Gabbi it's only unconstitutional if the government trys to silence Bruce Springsteen's free speech, not if I do it. Shut up and sing, Bruce. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
You're no one. Oh, well. On Oct 6, 2008, at 12:40 PM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but Bruce was at a political rally, not a Bruce Springsteen concert. That makes all the difference in the world. If I were to announce my own political rally for next week, how many people would show up and listen? That's why it's microphone abuse. He can pull a crowd to hear him sing. When he switches to politics, he's abusing the privilege of drawing a crowd. It's microphone abuse. Shut up and sing, Bruce. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
Don't see his concerts any more. Shut Up and Stay Home. On Oct 6, 2008, at 2:57 PM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Bruce's right to speak isn't the same as mine. He can committ microphone abuse; I can't. He has the ability to attract many ears for a spacific purpose (music). When he then uses the mic for somehting other than music, that's microphone abuse. Bruce should shut up and sing. Its not that he doesn't have a right to say it, its just that he has the power to say it. He should realize that not all of his fans dont share the same views as him, and keep his mouth shut during his concerts... if he wants to rant at a rally I have no problem with that, but otherwise keep your opinions to yourself. He does it at his concerts too... brings politics into certain songs... during the Magic tour he brought up issues of politics before some of his songs... I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on how to vote. I would prefer that all artists stop using politics and perform their music, but that wont happen. If your song has a message, it should be evident enough in the lyrics and people should be smart enough to realize the message the song is trying to portray... I dont need a famous face to tell me what my political views should be... I'll form them myself and not try to preach them among millions of complete strangers. These celebrities and musicians have more money than any of us could ever imagine... they dont live the same lives as us and shouldnt be telling us how to live or vote, no matter what side of the spectrum they fall. On a related note, I love the section in the coaster that asks the opinions of current events among local residents... you get to hear real voices of neighbors and everyday normal people. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
You should just shut up. On Oct 6, 2008, at 3:30 PM, justifiedright wrote: Good points, arcman210. I actually feel bad for Oprah. I think she tried her best to support Obama without being combative, but someone should have said to her There is no way to do this without alienating some of your fans. I think her support for Obama was more of a Chicago thing than anything else. I give Oprah a pass. Bruce should shut up and sing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: No, Bruce's right to speak isn't the same as mine. He can committ microphone abuse; I can't. He has the ability to attract many ears for a spacific purpose (music). When he then uses the mic for somehting other than music, that's microphone abuse. Bruce should shut up and sing. Its not that he doesn't have a right to say it, its just that he has the power to say it. He should realize that not all of his fans dont share the same views as him, and keep his mouth shut during his concerts... if he wants to rant at a rally I have no problem with that, but otherwise keep your opinions to yourself. He does it at his concerts too... brings politics into certain songs... during the Magic tour he brought up issues of politics before some of his songs... I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on how to vote. I would prefer that all artists stop using politics and perform their music, but that wont happen. If your song has a message, it should be evident enough in the lyrics and people should be smart enough to realize the message the song is trying to portray... I dont need a famous face to tell me what my political views should be... I'll form them myself and not try to preach them among millions of complete strangers. These celebrities and musicians have more money than any of us could ever imagine... they dont live the same lives as us and shouldnt be telling us how to live or vote, no matter what side of the spectrum they fall. On a related note, I love the section in the coaster that asks the opinions of current events among local residents... you get to hear real voices of neighbors and everyday normal people. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Pope agrees with Hitler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler's_Pope [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
If he didn't talk politics, I'd have less respect for him. If he gave a Rah-rah! The Iraq War is Great! speech, you'd love it. On Oct 6, 2008, at 4:24 PM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on how to vote. You can still wield the power of the purse, no? If you know going in that there's a good chance Bruce might spend a significant portion of the show talking politics, and you don't want to hear that, why buy the ticket? Imagine how many early Lenny Bruce fans stopped paying to see his gigs becuase he spent most of his later shows reading court transcripts instead of telling jokes. I still want to see him perform, and I'll go see the show regardless of whether or not he talks politics... and still enjoy most of it. But when he starts ranting about politics, I would have more respect for him as a person if he respected the fact that all people don't have the same opinions as he does. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
The Right only feels this way when the singer isn't supporting Republicans. Lee Greenwood doesn't get the shut up and sing treatment. Ted Nugent doesn't get the shut up and sing treatment. Nor does Gloria Estefan, Amy Grant, Frank Sinatra Jr., Pat Boone, Ricky Martin, Michael W. Smith, Jessica Simpson, Jose Feliciano, Jaci Velasquez, Emilio Navaira (Tejano), Donnie McClurkin, Chubby Checker, Johnny Mathis, Pat DiMizio, Jon Secada, Harry Wayne Casey (KC the Sunshine Band), Donny Osmond, Marie Osmond, Gracie Rosenburger, Andre 3000, Mike Love (Beach Boys), Van Cliburn, Mike Curb, Don McLean, Dean Torrence, John Popper, Frankie Avalon, Wendy Moten, Johnny Lang, Doris Day, Wayne Newton, or Britney Spears. They're all about attempting to silence criticism of the disasterous Bush Years. Good luck with that. On Oct 6, 2008, at 5:05 PM, Jack Pitzer wrote: But the fact remains, that this was an Obama political rally. I sincerely doubt that anybody in attendence thought shut up and sing for even a heartbeat. And since when did a few comments at a concert, a rally, or anywhere become ranting Bruce sings about political issues, so why can he also talk about them? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arcman210 acme87rangers@ wrote: I paid to go see him perform his music, not lecture me on how to vote. You can still wield the power of the purse, no? If you know going in that there's a good chance Bruce might spend a significant portion of the show talking politics, and you don't want to hear that, why buy the ticket? Imagine how many early Lenny Bruce fans stopped paying to see his gigs becuase he spent most of his later shows reading court transcripts instead of telling jokes. I still want to see him perform, and I'll go see the show regardless of whether or not he talks politics... and still enjoy most of it. But when he starts ranting about politics, I would have more respect for him as a person if he respected the fact that all people don't have the same opinions as he does. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
John man you are harsh sometimes. i totally understand your anger and exasperation with the republicans. take heart in the fact that many on that side are being very critical. some long time republican is quitting due to his distaste for his own party. virginia i think. i agree they wouldn't be complaining if it were pro republican and i really reject the notion that art and politics should be separate. i also don't understand the expectation that anyone should silence their passions. bands like NOFX ARE their passions. springsteen has been around enough not to have to censor himself and how sad it would be if he did. no offense arcman but how much you respect him don't mean dick to him and that is the way it should be. if we are to live as free expressive beings, we don't monitor our behavior based on whether someone respects us or not. if he were a man who thought i better watch what i say or people wont like me and fork over the cash he would never be the extraordinary artist and citizen that he is. he would be a version of britney spears. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If he didn't talk politics, I'd have less respect for him. If he gave a Rah-rah! The Iraq War is Great! speech, you'd love it. A Rah-rah! The Iraq War is Great! speech would be politics too, you one-sided ignorant ass... so if he talked those politics you'd have respect for him too? I think you'd hate it, and you would think he's everything wrong with the world. I wasn't criticising your political views so back the hell off mine and don't assume I am for the war just because I'm anti-political-Bruce. I said I dont want to hear any politics at any sort of concert, that includes both sides of the spectrum. If I go to a political rally, its a political rally... no matter who is there. If I go to a Bruce Springsteen concert, I dont give a shit what he thinks about the war or out president. If he wants to perform at rallys and conventions, thats his absolute right as an American to do so and to support whichever candidate he chooses. But to subject 60,000 fans, many of who dont have the same political views as him, to a political rant in between songs is just wrong. If he wants to do that, then he should pass the microphone around to some fans and let them debate his views... because a concert at Giants Stadium isn't the same as an Obama rally in Philadelphia. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shut Up and Sing
Don't put words in my mouth, you ass. Don't tell me what I'd hate or not hate. I've never said Shut Up and Sing about a single performer ever. I could care what any of those Right Wing performers think or say, mostly because they have too little talent to interest me. That information and expression silencing phrase is exclusively the domain of the Nazi-Right. You ignorant ass. Your problem is Springsteen is an American cultural icon, not just a Mega-star but a poet and an actual artist and he thinks your politics are destroying the country. And y'know what, ass? He's right. You don't like what Springsteen may assault you with at a concert? Do go, you ass. Someone else would be happy to take your seat, ass. On Oct 6, 2008, at 9:07 PM, arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If he didn't talk politics, I'd have less respect for him. If he gave a Rah-rah! The Iraq War is Great! speech, you'd love it. A Rah-rah! The Iraq War is Great! speech would be politics too, you one-sided ignorant ass... so if he talked those politics you'd have respect for him too? I think you'd hate it, and you would think he's everything wrong with the world. I wasn't criticising your political views so back the hell off mine and don't assume I am for the war just because I'm anti-political-Bruce. I said I dont want to hear any politics at any sort of concert, that includes both sides of the spectrum. If I go to a political rally, its a political rally... no matter who is there. If I go to a Bruce Springsteen concert, I dont give a shit what he thinks about the war or out president. If he wants to perform at rallys and conventions, thats his absolute right as an American to do so and to support whichever candidate he chooses. But to subject 60,000 fans, many of who dont have the same political views as him, to a political rant in between songs is just wrong. If he wants to do that, then he should pass the microphone around to some fans and let them debate his views... because a concert at Giants Stadium isn't the same as an Obama rally in Philadelphia. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
