[AsburyPark] Re: NYT Article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can you call something bullshit if you haven't seen the agreement? If you were at the Council Meeting Johnson said the $6 million dollars is the amount of the work they are committed to right now. It's bullshit. 1. They came in with grand plans and promises. Now they call it dreams. To some, a fantasy. 2. $6m to do what? Henry V. once stated CH alone was an $18m disaster. 3. Where is the agreement - BEFORE it is signed. 4. What, exactly is going to be done to the buildings and who is going to issue the permits and ensure work is done to code. 5. You have the 6th ave pav, 4th ave pav omitted from the presentation. / Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT Article
it's bullshit because they didn't make it public, did they? Are they putting up a $6m bond? Remember all the grand plans? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT Article
I'll call it bullshit until they spend every last dime of that $6m, on those boardwalk buildings and a few more benches. I could be dead by then. The first ave pav looks good. You know why? It never really needed any major structural work done. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT Article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That six million will be spent by the summer of 2008 and another phase will kick in for the next Pavillion and other work. The First Ave Pavillion isn't the final product it must be totally renovated too within 3 years of the Fifth Ave Pavillion. I'll come to your wake. I'll call it bullshit until they spend every last dime of that $6m, on those boardwalk buildings and a few more benches. I could be dead by then. The first ave pav looks good. You know why? It never really needed any major structural work done. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT Article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first ave pav looks good. You've got to be kidding? A completely YELLOW building looking more akin to a Leggo component. Complete visual clash with the Casino Complex. Waste of paint in any color, It's a brick building. Just needed a power washing and proper exterior repairs to trim, doors and windows. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT Article
You've got to be kidding? compared to everyting else that is falling down. No, I don't like the p-job. What I meant was simple, that building needed NO real structural work. A REAL schedule would be along the lines of Building A 2006, B and C 2007, etc. Now you have to make sure that permits are issued timely, inspections are done on time etc. Keep it secret Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT Article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: How can you call something bullshit if you haven't seen the agreement? If you were at the Council Meeting Johnson said the $6 million dollars is the amount of the work they are committed to right now. If you were there why didn't you introduce yourself? Like the shadows? The $6 million is important because the initial escrow is based upon that amount. Without seeing the actual document we don't know what else is in there although I suspect that the remaining restoration timelines are as soft as they are in the powerpoint presentation. Ultimately, its all up to future negotitation. Nothing hard. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You show me DOF, will Depitro won anything last month. I read the decision. I'll read a little. We reject that, we reject that. Show me will they said you can build his second building, remember The Brittwood was an entirely different issue. Wash your face. I don't think the story was totally negative. Depitro lied in it, he didn't win anything last month, Metro defunked what Depitro said about negotiations with the Partners, that story could of been a lot worse. The reporter got a few things wrong. I'm not impressed. Could you explain why you think Depitro lied, he did win something(s) in court and still appealing other things in court that will actually help other land owners in the redevelopment zone. Are you spending any of your money in lawsuits to protect your property rights. Could you explain why Glen Fishman could not connect with the the reporter. He connected well enough with Malina, Lofferdo, Saunders, Bruno, Weldon, and Aaron. Do you think Dean Geibel was actually encouraged by the way in which Partners dealt with him about the C-8 site. You have not heard of any stories of other people doing business with the Partners in AP. I wonder what Dean will say about the Partners in a few months, in the next year, and what law suits will come between them in the next few years. In an interview, Asbury Partners' principals, Glen Fishman and Hugh Lamle, declined todiscuss their dealings with subdevelopers like Mr. DePetro. Mr. Lamle, however, suggested that some of the criticism comes from those who sought to pay bargain-basement prices for development on prime real estate. On the issue of the boardwalk buildings that they are supposed to develop under the plan, the two said they had conducted marketing studies, but they would not disclose the results. They said only that there was great interest among developers for the properties. The builder of the Esperanza complex, Dean Geibel, president of Metro Homes, said he was satisfied that Asbury Partners had dealt fairly with him. He said that development fees and infrastructure fees, which affect the selling price of units, are commonly the subject of negotiations in such deals. He also said that he had agreed to deed over some of the commercial space in his planned buildings to Asbury Partners and that it was justified by the redevelopers' need to control the type of retail and tone of the area. It is the way for them to make sure that the beachfront area is what they want, he said. I was actually encouraged by the way in which they dealt with this part. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - Say it ainât so!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fredy fish, Perhaps you are on the city payroll, because anybody who had a real job would respect people who work everyday. jerry that is a terrible statement, think of it the next time you call a fireman, policeman, or go into city hall and ask your questions where you are treated with respect, you should apologize, but since you will not even acknowledge joes question let alone answer it, i doubt you will admit your mistake. hey werner is this better? sorry Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - Say i t ain’t so!
In a message dated 2/19/2006 6:00:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jerry that is a terrible statement, think of it the next time you call a fireman, policeman, or go into city hall and ask your questions where you are treated with respect, you should apologize, but since you will not even acknowledge joes question let alone answer it, i doubt you will admit your mistake.hey werner is this better? sorry only slacker on the payroll would feelneed to get respect from the public, theemployees that are secure in their profession,would not wanta lurkerwith a brown nosespeaking for them. SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - Say it ainâ â¬â¢t so!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/19/2006 6:00:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jerry that is a terrible statement, think of it the next time you call a fireman, policeman, or go into city hall and ask your questions where you are treated with respect, you should apologize, but since you will not even acknowledge joes question let alone answer it, i doubt you will admit your mistake. hey werner is this better? sorry only slacker on the payroll would feel need to get respect from the public, the employees that are secure in their profession, would not want a lurker with a brown nose speaking for them. you have lost your mind too many of those 25 cent cigaretts at the deli! i was taught by my family to try to give respect to all, even pain in the butts, yet you say only a slacker would get self gratification by showing respect to others? strange theory! i guess better to have brown on my nose than dirt covering my entire face, why will you not respond to joes post? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, s325run1 s325run@ wrote: I don't think the story was totally negative. Depitro lied in it, he didn't win anything last month, Metro defunked what Depitro said about negotiations with the Partners, that story could of been a lot worse. The reporter got a few things wrong. I'm not impressed. about the slow re-developement of Asbury. There are 3 photos. All are negative. None are positive The truth will set you free. For four years people have stuck their heads in the sand and hoped for the best. Look where we are with regard to the beachfront properties. The article was not strong enough, although I think it makes clear that individuals, both small developers and property owners, are those who are pushing this city foward and that it is Asbury Partners that is holding us back. I think the story speaks of hope and not failure. Asbury Partners WILL NEVER rehabilatate the beachfront buildings. The sooner that is realized the better off we will be. We can't cry over spilled milk, but it is what it is and we have to fix it. They have to go; the sonner the better. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, s325run1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was Dan's plan when he got the reporter to do this. Make it negative. Look who the reporter talked too. This was going to be totally one sided, I think that changed when he started to talk to the other side. Nice try Dan The story is in todays NYT, front page in the Metro section. It is about the slow re-developement of Asbury. There are 3 photos. All are negative. None are positive Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
There are 3 photos. All are negative. None are positive I've uploaded the 2 pictures, from the online article, to the Yahoo site; as for negative, this is Larry's best work, you should see the stuff he turns out when forced to spend his own money. For some of those pictures: http://www.jerseyshoregourmet.com/miscellaneous/Asbury/Overdue.htm Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
Dan's plan when he got the reporter to do this. Make it negative. Wow, didn't know you had such power; I'm impressed Dan. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't he brag about this last week. I called in a some markers Dan's plan when he got the reporter to do this. Make it negative. Wow, didn't know you had such power; I'm impressed Dan. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein skip@ wrote: I called in some markers I had coming to me. Dan's plan when he got the reporter to do this. Make it negative. Wow, didn't know you had such power; I'm impressed Dan. I didn't know either. Fred, I don't know who you are, so do me a favor and say it to my face. As for trying make the story negative, why would I do such a thing? What would be in it for me? In fact, I would only have something to lose since I am a property owner, not a speculator, but a house for my family. As for the pictures being negative, whose fault is that? The photos don't lie. They show the failure of Partners to live up to its obligations and those in power who are responsible for making them do so. I don't hide my goals; to make sure this city is developed in a responsible manner with the greatest benefit to citizens. If that calls for bringing pressure on the City and Partners to live up to its obligations or ousting Partners, then so be it. I firmly beleive that latter will be necessary because I cannot see Partners doing it. I'll say it again; the proof of the pudding is in the tasting. I think we know what it tastes like. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - deja vu all over again
Wow, deja vu all over again, one of the most cogent pieces Fred's yet written. Who could disagree with this argument? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein skip@ wrote: I called in some markers I had coming to me. Dan's plan when he got the reporter to do this. Make it negative. Wow, didn't know you had such power; I'm impressed Dan. I didn't know either. Fred, I don't know who you are, so do me a favor and say it to my face. As for trying make the story negative, why would I do such a thing? What would be in it for me? In fact, I would only have something to lose since I am a property owner, not a speculator, but a house for my family. As for the pictures being negative, whose fault is that? The photos don't lie. They show the failure of Partners to live up to its obligations and those in power who are responsible for making them do so. I don't hide my goals; to make sure this city is developed in a responsible manner with the greatest benefit to citizens. If that calls for bringing pressure on the City and Partners to live up to its obligations or ousting Partners, then so be it. I firmly beleive that latter will be necessary because I cannot see Partners doing it. I'll say it again; the proof of the pudding is in the tasting. I think we know what it tastes like. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - deja vu all over again
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:05 pm Subject: Re: Look who asking the questions now. dfsavgny Offline Send Email Invite to Yahoo! 360º --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today, one photographer two N Y Times reporters were on fact finding missions in different parts of Asbury Park. To bad the A P Press has only one reporter for Asbury Park. I wonder who called in the Times. I called in some markers I had coming to me. Wow, deja vu all over again, one of the most cogent pieces Fred's yet written. Who could disagree with this argument? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein skip@ wrote: I called in some markers I had coming to me. Dan's plan when he got the reporter to do this. Make it negative. Wow, didn't know you had such power; I'm impressed Dan. I didn't know either. Fred, I don't know who you are, so do me a favor and say it to my face. As for trying make the story negative, why would I do such a thing? What would be in it for me? In fact, I would only have something to lose since I am a property owner, not a speculator, but a house for my family. As for the pictures being negative, whose fault is that? The photos don't lie. They show the failure of Partners to live up to its obligations and those in power who are responsible for making them do so. I don't hide my goals; to make sure this city is developed in a responsible manner with the greatest benefit to citizens. If that calls for bringing pressure on the City and Partners to live up to its obligations or ousting Partners, then so be it. I firmly beleive that latter will be necessary because I cannot see Partners doing it. I'll say it again; the proof of the pudding is in the tasting. I think we know what it tastes like. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
On 2/18/06 10:22 AM, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, s325run1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The story is in todays NYT, front page in the Metro section. It is about the slow re-developement of Asbury. There are 3 photos. All are negative. None are positive The truth will set you free. For four years people have stuck their heads in the sand and hoped for the best. Look where we are with regard to the beachfront properties. The article was not strong I agree. I don't understand why people AREN'T MADDER. This isn't a story that should be pushed aside for fear that it will make things worse. This is a story that should be on the front page of the Asbury Park Press. It should be in the Coaster, the Star Ledger -- even Tri City should wake up and print some truth once in a while. Asbury Partners may (and probably has been) hindered by too many regulations but the fact is that they ARE moving slowly... Too slowly. Things need to change and only by telling the truth will that happen. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - deja vu all over again
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I called in some markers I had coming to me. Fred, that remark by me is in fact an admission that I used my influence to have someone from the NYT report a story. My last response was that I did not have it in my power, nor should I, to affect what in fact they report. I have neither the power nor inclination to affect what anyone reports. Hopefully, only the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth gets reported. I cannot understand anyone who wants to stand in the way of the truth coming to light. The cannot be up to good and are not to be trusted if that is their aim. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - deja vu all over again
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred asburydogma@ wrote: I called in some markers I had coming to me. Fred, that remark by me is in fact an admission that I used my influence to have someone from the NYT report a story. My last response was that I did not have it in my power, nor should I, to affect what in fact they report. I have neither the power nor inclination to affect what anyone reports. Hopefully, only the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth gets reported. I cannot understand anyone who wants to stand in the way of the truth coming to light. The cannot be up to good and are not to be trusted if that is their aim. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
To I don't think the story was totally negative. Depitro lied in it, he didn't win anything last month, Metro defunked what Depitro said about negotiations with the Partners, that story could of been a lotworse. The reporter got a few things wrong. I'm not impressed. Could you explain why you think Depitro lied, he did win something(s) in court and still appealing other things in court that will actually help other land owners in the redevelopment zone. Are you spending any of your money in lawsuits to protect your property rights. Could you explain why Glen Fishman could not connect with the the reporter. He connected well enough with Malina, Lofferdo, Saunders, Bruno, Weldon, and Aaron. Do you think Dean Geibel was actually encouraged by the way in which Partners dealt with him about the C-8 site. You have not heardof any storiesof other people doing business with the Partners in AP. I wonder what Dean will say about the Partners in a few months, in the next year, and what law suits will comebetween them in the next few years. In an interview, Asbury Partners' principals, Glen Fishman and Hugh Lamle, declined to discuss their dealings with subdevelopers like Mr. DePetro. Mr. Lamle, however, suggested that some of the criticism comes from those who sought to pay bargain-basement prices for development on prime real estate. On the issue of the boardwalk buildings that they are supposed to develop under the plan, the two said they had conducted marketing studies, but they would not disclose the results. They said only that there was "great interest" among developers for the properties. The builder of the Esperanza complex, Dean Geibel, president of Metro Homes, said he was satisfied that Asbury Partners had dealt fairly with him. He said that development fees and infrastructure fees, which affect the selling price of units, are commonly the subject of negotiations in such deals. He also said that he had agreed to deed over some of the commercial space in his planned buildings to Asbury Partners and that it was justified by the redevelopers' need to "control the type of retail and tone" of the area. "It is the way for them to make sure that the beachfront area is what they want," he said. "I was actually encouraged by the way in which they dealt with this part." SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - deja vu all over again
The reporter got a few things wrong. I'm not impressed. Could you explain to the group,what the reporter got wrong. The reporter talks about missedopportunities. Maybe the reporter has been to more council meetings than you. Even the city manager said hello to him. He not a secret writer and take cheap shots like you. For somebody who only had a few weeks to write the story, he said what Nancy could never say in 4 years. She objectivity was busy using the word "critics" when people spokeup at the meetings aboutthemissed deadlinesin theredevelopment plan. Even the Press'sEditorialsTalk about missed opportunities and another summer with the beachfront looking run down while Cookman Ave and the rest of the cityis picking up. The Beachfront is the is why most people came to AP for the last 130 years. SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - deja vu all over again
I have neither the power nor inclination to affect what anyone reports. Hopefully, only the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth gets reported. I cannot understand anyone who wants to stand in the way of the truth coming to light. Fred belongs to that small clique of Asburians for whom the truth will [never] set them free. These folks live in a bubble of good thoughts, joyous memories, and look forward to a utopian future, wherein their every wish may be bestowed, all irritants shall be hidden away and the notion of disappointment will be forgotten; they will have their cake and eat it too, in an Asbury even the gods will envy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- even Tri City should wake up and print some truth once in a while. Easy there Gary! You won't find anyone saying triCity did a story because they called in a marker. There is no such quid pro quo for journalism at triCity. You have to go to the NY Times to find writers of that ilk (see, e.g. Jayson Blair). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
On 2/18/06 4:48 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- even Tri City should wake up and print some truth once in a while. Easy there Gary! You won't find anyone saying triCity did a story because they called in a marker. There is no such quid pro quo for journalism at triCity. You have to go to the NY Times to find writers of that ilk (see, e.g. Jayson Blair). I think the columnists all do their jobs well; however, the news in that supposed newspaper is truly lacking. There are a million stories happening in the Monmouth County area every week and it seems like they never reach Tri-City unless a press release is faxed over. Sorry, but I prefer my alternative papers to be like the Village Voice where writers launch their career from. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - deja vu all over again
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reporter got a few things wrong. I'm not impressed. Could you explain to the group, what the reporter got wrong. The reporter talks about missed opportunities. Maybe the reporter has been to more council meetings than you. Even the city manager said hello to him. He not a secret writer and take cheap shots like you. For somebody who only had a few weeks to write the story, he said what Nancy could never say in 4 years. She objectivity was busy using the word critics when people spoke up at the meetings about the missed deadlines in the redevelopment plan. Even the Press's Editorials Talk about missed opportunities and another summer with the beachfront looking run down while Cookman Ave and the rest of the city is picking up. The Beachfront is the is why most people came to AP for the last 130 years. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty lighty@ wrote: -- even Tri City should wake up and print some truth once in a while. Easy there Gary! You won't find anyone saying triCity did a story because they called in a marker. There is no such quid pro quo for journalism at triCity. You have to go to the NY Times to find writers of that ilk (see, e.g. Jayson Blair). i dont know about the entire staff, you i believe but others, jak jones, s.s. have written articles which i consider personal agendas. this leaves us with the biggest hoax of all, your paper trying to get dunclan oscalion electd to state office, i am so so glad i had 20 relatives living in his district, that 40 swing probably cost him the election.. what is the saying pay back is sweet, oh so sweet for many of us in asbury, since he played such an important role in getting elected in Asbury most of the crooks serving time, butchy, ray ray,jimmy c. , etc etc. he got bennet hired, thank god he was not here long enough to codify our records or we would be broke, you are clean your paper is not Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - deja vu all over again
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, gtscarano212@ wrote: The reporter got a few things wrong. I'm not impressed. Could you explain to the group, what the reporter got wrong. The reporter talks about missed opportunities. Maybe the reporter has been to more council meetings than you. Even the city manager said hello to him. He not a secret writer and take cheap shots like you. For somebody who only had a few weeks to write the story, he said what Nancy could never say in 4 years. She objectivity was busy using the word critics when people spoke up at the meetings about the missed deadlines in the redevelopment plan. Even the Press's Editorials Talk about missed opportunities and another summer with the beachfront looking run down while Cookman Ave and the rest of the city is picking up. The Beachfront is the is why most people came to AP for the last 130 years. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - deja vu all over again
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, gtscarano212@ wrote: The reporter got a few things wrong. I'm not impressed. Could you explain to the group, what the reporter got wrong. The reporter talks about missed opportunities. Maybe the reporter has been to more council meetings than you. Even the city manager said hello to him. He not a secret writer and take cheap shots like you. For somebody who only had a few weeks to write the story, he said what Nancy could never say in 4 years. She objectivity was busy using the word critics when people spoke up at the meetings about the missed deadlines in the redevelopment plan. Even the Press's Editorials Talk about missed opportunities and another summer with the beachfront looking run down while Cookman Ave and the rest of the city is picking up. The Beachfront is the is why most people came to AP for the last 130 years. you sue you dont mean 13 years, 130 is stretching it Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
Mr. Lamle, however, suggested that some of the criticism comes from those who sought to pay bargain-basement prices for development on prime real estate. Was he looking in the mirror when he made this statement? Flashback, June 2001: http://tinyurl.com/dlyhb I wouldn't be surprised if Lamle Sass were looking at exit strategies right now. They have gone through a complete business cycle with all of the easy money (subdevelopers) made and no revenue generated from the Oceanfront for the foreseeable future. With an inverted yield curve, defaults surging, and personal spending exceeding income, happy days will be here again soon enough for the vultures. They are going to have plenty more opportunities to make fast bucks in other distressed property, especially when they put the Miracle of Asbury Park fable on their resume. Having the Oceanfront liability off their back frees them up to screw up some other town. I'll say by April Fool's Day they announce they're out. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - deja vu all over again
apoojo, why do you keep posting copies of prior posts? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Easy there Gary! You won't find anyone saying triCity did a story because they called in a marker. There is no such quid pro quo for journalism at triCity. You have to go to the NY Times to find writers of that ilk (see, e.g. Jayson Blair). Tom, I am surprised at you making such an allegation. What I did is through personal connections get in touch with the NJ bureau and inform them that I thought there was a newsworthy story here. They looked. If there was no story, they would not print any. It is not easy to get the NYT down here as it often gets overshadowed by larger NJ cities. That is the extent of my involvement; come look and see. They were on their own from there. Cold calling would not work. But in the end there had to be interest in the story. Jayson Blair concocted stories. Are you suggesting that Ron Smothers did the same? Why would you besmirch someone's reputation needlessly? Was it not TCN and you that printed lies about me? Was it not you that tokk statements out of context to fit your own agenda? Please. You want some coverage from them for your freeholder race? Say what you will, the state of affairs AP is in lies at the feet of Partners and the Council that allowed them to get away with it. Hopefully that may end now. I agree with JJ, MD Sass is not long for here. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
to JJ and Dan, they know. According to tsome folks, up til august, sales were robust at the north beach. Some 90 units sold. See what happens when warmer weather approaches. I use sold because we all know that until it gets closer to completetion anyone can walk - like all those investors should prices soften and rates rise. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 bluebishop82@ wrote: MDSASS knows what the Waterfront is worth they will find investors and things will work out. Do you really think they will go without a fight? In the end they will give the city what they want but the city needs to stay on top of them every inch of the way. Furthermore they need some major help with thier Marketing skills. I hope the city demands that or someting close to it. They thought they needed mass density to make it work, they were wrong and need a new plan.You know what they probally already have it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - Say it aint so!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the City doesn't get rid of the drugs, hookers and The Kingsley Deli some people might walk. I have seen some hookers and dealers going into the Deli. If the Deli closes, where will Jerrys kids play? I Wonder if Rita will have them playin her house. There goes that neighborhood Some 90 units sold. I use sold because we all know that until it gets closer to completion anyone can walk - like all those investors should prices soften and rates rise. Say it ain't so! You mean to tell me that all those smart New Yorkers might not close on their million dollar bits of SoHo meets South Beach? Who you trying to kid? Surely with all the neat cartoons, the great restoration of the boardwalk buildings and fabulous yellow paint, not to mention the incredibly clever landscaping, so neuvo Hiroshima, who but the genius Fishman bro's could have thunk it, do you honestly think these deals might not close? I'm speechless. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
MDSASS knows what the Waterfront is worth they will find investors and things will work out. Furthermore they need some major help with thier Marketing skills. You know what they probally already have it. News Flash: Fred is Fred Fishman, runt of the litter, raised by a shepherd and his flock in the hills just south of the Golan heights, recently reunited with his family of Fish, as a result of a visit to a local hospital, which involved DNA testing, after being attacked by a pack of wolves, which left him brain challenged from an infection resulting from contracting rabies. Larry has appointed Fred as point man in The Partners public relations department. Therefore, as much as it pains me, I defer to Fred Fish on all matters Fishman. Hence, and I couldn't have said it better, they probally already have it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't there a bar stool calling for you and your best friendThe Camera MDSASS knows what the Waterfront is worth they will find investors and things will work out. Furthermore they need some major help with thier Marketing skills. You know what they probally already have it. News Flash: Fred is Fred Fishman, runt of the litter, raised by a shepherd and his flock in the hills just south of the Golan heights, recently reunited with his family of Fish, as a result of a visit to a local hospital, which involved DNA testing, after being attacked by a pack of wolves, which left him brain challenged from an infection resulting from contracting rabies. Larry has appointed Fred as point man in The Partners public relations department. Therefore, as much as it pains me, I defer to Fred Fish on all matters Fishman. Hence, and I couldn't have said it better, they probally already have it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
Any facade of a lack of marketing skills is just that. How can someone who appears so incompetent be so successful? Sass/Lamle are NOT knights in shining armor. They are vulture investors. They've built billion dollar fortunes by finding a dollars worth of assets selling for 10 cents, then selling that asset for 40 cents as fast as possible. 4 times your money in 5 years isn't bad for anyone. Using conservative leverage that's 20 times your money in 5 years. Knowing what the Waterfront is worth and wanting what the Waterfront is worth are two different arguments. In an unfavorable business climate with only another 2X upside in the next 20 years, some risks aren't worth taking. They'll cash out go look for another Asbury Park circa 2001. I hope council recognizes the vultures position, and milks them for everything before they go. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MDSASS knows what the Waterfront is worth they will find investors and things will work out. Do you really think they will go without a fight? In the end they will give the city what they want but the city needs to stay on top of them every inch of the way. Furthermore they need some major help with thier Marketing skills. I hope the city demands that or someting close to it. They thought they needed mass density to make it work, they were wrong and need a new plan.You know what they probally already have it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - Say i t ain’t so!
In a message dated 2/18/2006 7:46:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If the City doesn't get rid of the drugs, hookers and The Kingsley Deli some people might walk. I have seen some hookers and dealers going into the Deli. If the Deli closes, where will Jerrys kids play? I Wonder if Rita will have them playin her house. There goes that neighborhood Fredy fish, It'sI good thing your a facelesssissy, or other wise Rita could smack that ridicules smirk of your face.I myself,was taught not to hit a girl. You should work as hard as she does, still has time to contribute to her community, and all without being a one note player. I guess you would like all her other customers to disappear too, so Larry could land bank some more. Your comments shows how afraid of the truth you are. It's sad when even the sissiesattack old ladies to help Larry. Perhaps you are on the city payroll, because anybody who had a real job would respect people who work everyday. You could ofwrote, ifthe cityhad adu diligent council that did nottrust Weldon orhire Reidy, Jordon and Aaron, the city would not have Hookers, Drug Dealers, and the Partners on a dilapidated beachfront in 2006, that would have been a true statement. Then, I would know youwere nota shill for Larry. It is not necessaryto mention and defame Rita's name orher businesson this List, since she does not debate with us. If you want to say something to her say it to her face. You got shit on your face. SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article - Say it aint so!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein skip@ wrote: If the City doesn't get rid of the drugs, hookers and The Kingsley Deli some people might walk. I have seen some hookers and dealers going into the Deli. If the Deli closes, where will Jerrys kids play? I Wonder if Rita will have them playin her house. There goes that neighborhood ~~~Fred, What does this City have on the Waterfront to where a person like myself with being disable with Epilepsy can walk to for a Gallon of milk,newspaper,cerel,snack,juicetc.Nothing ! She keeps up on whats going on in this City.Nothing wrong with that.We could use some more of that.Look at the Chair she found the City buying tat was over price.She works 7 days a week.If everyone kept there mouth shut at City Council meetings the town would be like it was with that last City Council that mostly all in Jail.Go back to my message 14416 read it think about it lets try to get along here.Grow up.You don't even sign your name to your message give out your e-mail what are you scare of Fred.Introduce yourself to me sometime.Be a man or women what ever you are.Just read message 14416.Hookers Dealers are going in stores all over city.Even in City Hall on Fridays for court.Hiding like you are means you have something to hide in my eyes.James GrabePatriot OfficerVeterans AllianceAsbury Park N.J. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
