Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul - Pets
Friends A response to Ambiaka. We should put a stop to North Indians eating human corpse. How they can do it in especially in the name of Hinduism? It is far worse than eating delicate dog meat. Rajen Barua Why the North Indians Eat Human Corpse A new Indian documentary seeks to shed light on a secretive sect of Hindu ascetics who eat corpses in the belief that ingesting dead flesh will make them ageless and give them supernatural powers. “Feeding on the Dead,” a 10-minute documentary, delves into the closed, little-known world of the 1,000-year-old Aghori sect, whose sadhus, or holy men, pluck dead bodies from the Ganges river. While the sect has been written about, they’ve rarely been filmed performing rituals. Director Sandeep Singh, who shut down his transport business to pursue filmmaking, said it took him more than three months to gain the trust of an Aghori sadhu and convince him to be filmed while performing a cannibalistic ritual. There are about 70 Aghori sadhus at a given time, and they remain with the sect for 12 years before returning to their families. Unlike other Hindu holy men, most of whom are vegetarian teetotalers, the Aghoris consume alcohol and meat. But it is their consumption of human flesh — a practice whose origins remain a mystery — which has earned them the condemnation of other Hindus and relegated most Aghori sadhus to living around crematoriums in the hills of northern India around the holy city of Varanasi, where the documentary was filmed. Singh and three cameramen waited with an Aghori sadhu — whose name is not mentioned in the film — for 10 days in June before finding a floating corpse. Hindus generally cremate the dead, but bodies are sometimes ceremonially disposed of in the Ganges. “The body was decomposed and bluish in color, but the sadhu was not afraid about falling sick,” Singh told The Associated Press in an interview Wednesday. “He sat on the corpse, prayed to a goddess of crematoriums and offered some flesh to the goddess before eating it.” Singh said the sadhu ate part of the corpse’s elbow, believing the flesh would stop him from aging and give him special powers, like the ability to levitate or control the weather. Singh did not see any of those powers on display. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul - Pets
Rajen Baruah Dangoriya, Those ghatly scene was aired by certain Pvt TV channels long ago at midnight to only horify small children.ZEE TV,Sony TV and Aajtak showed live. In next to Ambikas home, NIthari rape and girl meat eating also mere gone to their ears or eyes.Their antenna was only fixed at NE.North Indian say they are indeed vegetarian, but love to eat Human to get mukti,rape smal girls and later enjoy the meat too. neitehr Maneka nor Ambika got voice for it.All because its delicious dish for them ! And they say they are the pure HIndu;s- not we NE people. Now we ned blame Maharaja Rudrakant Singh for converting to Hinduism. Ambika did you got our al mails please? Kindly keep replying us well.You did face millions of NE people, now do face few of us. Bikash /// Friends A response to Ambiaka. We should put a stop to North Indians eating human corpse. How they can do it in especially in the name of Hinduism? It is far worse than eating delicate dog meat. Rajen Barua Why the North Indians Eat Human Corpse A new Indian documentary seeks to shed light on a secretive sect of Hindu ascetics who eat corpses in the belief that ingesting dead flesh will make them ageless and give them supernatural powers. “Feeding on the Dead,” a 10-minute documentary, delves into the closed, little-known world of the 1,000-year-old Aghori sect, whose sadhus, or holy men, pluck dead bodies from the Ganges river. While the sect has been written about, they’ve rarely been filmed performing rituals. Director Sandeep Singh, who shut down his transport business to pursue filmmaking, said it took him more than three months to gain the trust of an Aghori sadhu and convince him to be filmed while performing a cannibalistic ritual. There are about 70 Aghori sadhus at a given time, and they remain with the sect for 12 years before returning to their families. Unlike other Hindu holy men, most of whom are vegetarian teetotalers, the Aghoris consume alcohol and meat. But it is their consumption of human flesh — a practice whose origins remain a mystery — which has earned them the condemnation of other Hindus and relegated most Aghori sadhus to living around crematoriums in the hills of northern India around the holy city of Varanasi, where the documentary was filmed. Singh and three cameramen waited with an Aghori sadhu — whose name is not mentioned in the film — for 10 days in June before finding a floating corpse. Hindus generally cremate the dead, but bodies are sometimes ceremonially disposed of in the Ganges. “The body was decomposed and bluish in color, but the sadhu was not afraid about falling sick,” Singh told The Associated Press in an interview Wednesday. “He sat on the corpse, prayed to a goddess of crematoriums and offered some flesh to the goddess before eating it.” Singh said the sadhu ate part of the corpse’s elbow, believing the flesh would stop him from aging and give him special powers, like the ability to levitate or control the weather. Singh did not see any of those powers on display. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Go to http://in.webmessenger.yahoo.com/ ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul- ambika shukla pls stand up and send a clarification
Hi Alpana If you have seen my earlier posts, you will see that I was one of the few who advocated strong punishment for Yoronso for the barbaric crime of beating an animal to death for food. People got carried away with the NE generalisation, forgetting the original crime. Also, I would like to see what the Naga Associations think of this. There is no race called north easterners. The author is a typical hindustani wallah whose knowledge beyond the hindi belt is probably zero. I also saw the link, the petition by JNU where people from all over the world commented and were understandably disgusted. JS On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great to hear from you, Ram. I just wanted to butt in here to make a few things clear. This story has been doing the rounds for the last 10 days or so. Right from the beginning, I have not read any one writing that torturing the dog 'Kali' was the right thing to do. Everyone has said that they were appaled/agast/sorry etc. about the torture. I don't know if you read those mails right from the beginning, this point has been repeated over and over again. And frankly, this is nothing new here. Nobody has objected about Shukla's crusade for preventing animal cruelty. The basic problem with Ambika Shukla is: a) She generalized all North East Indians and made it look like we all eat dog meat and ill-treat animals. b) She was condescending. c) The student in question should go through the Indian legal system, instead of being convicted by some media hype. Let us not make it look like this is the first time we woke up and found out that torturing of dog (or any animal) is reprehensible. BTW, if you did not know, we have two lovely German Shepherds which we treat as our children. I am sorry, if I offended anybody but reading your note made me wonder if this point (of condemning the torture incident) was ever missed. FYI, this point has been written over and over again right from the beginning. I am just disgusted. - Alpana Baideu In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:29:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul- ambika shukla pls stand up and send a clarification Kamalda, Great observation there ..i agree with yr comments and as a pet owner i am horrified to read about that incident . Ambika bhen :-) If yr husband used his troops to search that dog, shame on him and his troops. Indian tax payers are not paying army for such mission . If he went to village elder and just requested him to find out from his village folks if they have seen that dog and holding it...that i guess is FINE as village elders in many NE communities are well respected and folks listen to them .we dont know the details and I am giving yr husband a benefit of doubt here. Pls send a letter to that newspaper with some sort of clarification on this article which has angered us here. We will welcome that. take care another not required Indian Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:21:06 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Assam] Murder Most Foul Hello Ambikaji, Namaste.I am writing this in reference to the piece written by you entitled Murder Most Foul ( The Deccan Herald,July 15 2008 ). First point first.Please allow me to join hands in running crusade against those who mistreat animals.We all, with our right conscience,ought to take anyone to task with harshest language possible for abusing animals.An exemplary punishment must be meted out to the Naga student, who subjected an animal to such a cruel treatment.The court of law must decide first as to whether or not he is guilty of the crime,he is accused to have committed.At this time,I would not rush to judgement pending full disclosure of facts.I,therefore, would prefer to remain skeptical until full findings by the court are out in the open. I am,however,shell-shocked by one of your statement in which you have bunched the people of the North-Eastern states together and stratified them as one.A direct quote would,perhaps,carry the right flavor : Apparently,North-Eastern students at JNU regularly lynch and barbecue dogs .A well-informed person like you must be aware of the fact that the North-East region consists of seven states ( gone up to eight with the inclusion of Sikkim ).Each of these states differs from the other in terms of diet,dialect and dress.Without a modicum of the doubt,the people hailing from most of these states don't consume dog meat.It is but natural that an Assamese and a Manipuri or a Tripuri for that matter would take umbrage at this sweeping generalisation. May I request you to retract the particular statement in order to clear things as day light? If you find me in error in saying
Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul- ambika shukla pls stand up and send a clarification
; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:29:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul- ambika shukla pls stand up and send a clarification Kamalda, Great observation there ..i agree with yr comments and as a pet owner i am horrified to read about that incident . Ambika bhen :-) If yr husband used his troops to search that dog, shame on him and his troops. Indian tax payers are not paying army for such mission . If he went to village elder and just requested him to find out from his village folks if they have seen that dog and holding it...that i guess is FINE as village elders in many NE communities are well respected and folks listen to them .we dont know the details and I am giving yr husband a benefit of doubt here. Pls send a letter to that newspaper with some sort of clarification on this article which has angered us here. We will welcome that. take care another not required Indian Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:21:06 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Assam] Murder Most Foul Hello Ambikaji, Namaste.I am writing this in reference to the piece written by you entitled Murder Most Foul ( The Deccan Herald,July 15 2008 ). First point first.Please allow me to join hands in running crusade against those who mistreat animals.We all, with our right conscience,ought to take anyone to task with harshest language possible for abusing animals.An exemplary punishment must be meted out to the Naga student, who subjected an animal to such a cruel treatment.The court of law must decide first as to whether or not he is guilty of the crime,he is accused to have committed.At this time,I would not rush to judgement pending full disclosure of facts.I,therefore, would prefer to remain skeptical until full findings by the court are out in the open. I am,however,shell-shocked by one of your statement in which you have bunched the people of the North-Eastern states together and stratified them as one.A direct quote would,perhaps,carry the right flavor : Apparently,North-Eastern students at JNU regularly lynch and barbecue dogs .A well-informed person like you must be aware of the fact that the North-East region consists of seven states ( gone up to eight with the inclusion of Sikkim ).Each of these states differs from the other in terms of diet,dialect and dress.Without a modicum of the doubt,the people hailing from most of these states don't consume dog meat.It is but natural that an Assamese and a Manipuri or a Tripuri for that matter would take umbrage at this sweeping generalisation. May I request you to retract the particular statement in order to clear things as day light? If you find me in error in saying so,please feel free to explain as to where I have erred. Regards, Kamaljit Deka Sugarland,Texas. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org _ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org _ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul- ambika shukla pls stand up and send a clarification
Hi Ram: Yesterday the amount of Texas Jalapenos were much more in my breakfast. Hence the outburst. Of course you can write and support anyone, for any topic, and at any time. I pulled the 'age rank' on you. I took the leeway, if I didn't take that with you, where else could I have taken it? :) I drafted a note to you yesterday itself, but could not send it. I thought I must apologize to you in Assam Net itself since my complaint went there only. Glad to know you all are doing well. Come visit us sometime soon, you've been postponing that for too long. We will not get any Jalapenos during that time, I promise.:) With love and regards, - Alpana Baideu “In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass.” From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Assam] Murder Most Foul- ambika shukla pls stand up and send a clarificationDate: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:54:47 -0400 baidow..greetings from NJwe are fine here.. we have a golden retriever as well congrats to both u and dada for the library ..its a noble cause and children will benefit from it a lot bye... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:17:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul- ambika shukla pls stand up and send a clarification Great to hear from you, Ram. I just wanted to butt in here to make a few things clear. This story has been doing the rounds for the last 10 days or so. Right from the beginning, I have not read any one writing that torturing the dog 'Kali' was the right thing to do. Everyone has said that they were appaled/agast/sorry etc. about the torture. I don't know if you read those mails right from the beginning, this point has been repeated over and over again. And frankly, this is nothing new here. Nobody has objected about Shukla's crusade for preventing animal cruelty. The basic problem with Ambika Shukla is: a) She generalized all North East Indians and made it look like we all eat dog meat and ill-treat animals. b) She was condescending. c) The student in question should go through the Indian legal system, instead of being convicted by some media hype. Let us not make it look like this is the first time we woke up and found out that torturing of dog (or any animal) is reprehensible. BTW, if you did not know, we have two lovely German Shepherds which we treat as our children. I am sorry, if I offended anybody but reading your note made me wonder if this point (of condemning the torture incident) was ever missed. FYI, this point has been written over and over again right from the beginning. I am just disgusted. - Alpana Baideu “In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass.” From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:29:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul- ambika shukla pls stand up and send a clarification Kamalda, Great observation there ..i agree with yr comments and as a pet owner i am horrified to read about that incident . Ambika bhen :-) If yr husband used his troops to search that dog, shame on him and his troops. Indian tax payers are not paying army for such mission . If he went to village elder and just requested him to find out from his village folks if they have seen that dog and holding it...that i guess is FINE as village elders in many NE communities are well respected and folks listen to them .we dont know the details and I am giving yr husband a benefit of doubt here. Pls send a letter to that newspaper with some sort of clarification on this article which has angered us here. We will welcome that. take care another not required Indian Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:21:06 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Assam] Murder Most Foul Hello Ambikaji, Namaste.I am writing this in reference to the piece written by you entitled Murder Most Foul ( The Deccan Herald,July 15 2008 ). First point first.Please allow me to join hands in running crusade against those who mistreat animals.We all, with our right conscience,ought to take anyone to task with harshest language possible for abusing animals.An exemplary punishment must be meted out to the Naga student, who subjected an animal to such a cruel treatment.The court of law must decide first as to whether or not he is guilty of the crime,he is accused to have committed.At this time,I would not rush to judgement pending full disclosure of facts.I,therefore, would prefer to remain skeptical until full findings by the court are out in the open. I am,however,shell-shocked by one of your statement in which you have bunched the people of the North-Eastern states together and stratified them as one.A direct quote would,perhaps,carry the right
Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul- ambika shukla pls stand up and send a clarification
Chandan
I don't know how to thank you for those right words.
You have my full agreement.
Keep up the good work.
Rajen
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Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul- ambika shukla pls stand up and send
a clarification
I never cease to marvel at the demand for 'strong punishment' for
every imaginable 'desi-sin' or crime or affront to one's sense of
justice or what have you. From Presidents to PMs to members of
parliament
to civic leaders to religious gurus to assamnetters--that is always a
common theme, the thread that binds desis in the pursuit of justice
of their desires.
What however is forever missing from the equation is WHO will decide
if the punishment fits the crime, if it IS a CRIME to begin with, WHO
will investigate the crime , WHO will prosecute, WHO will judge and
WHO will mete out punishment, IF warranted ?
Only the abject fool or those in self-induced comas would fail to
notice that RAREL, if ever, anyone gets any of those demanded
'strong-punisments' in India for even the most egregious of crimes.
Ambika Shukla and others like her are not oblivious of that. And that
is why her article : To punish the Naga student Yoronso. And the
Asian Age and the Deccan Chronicle are also acutely aware of the
problem, and thus willing partners in Shukla's crusade for PRIVATE
justice, of the lynch mob.
The first question before we demand punishment should be to inquire
WHAT exactly the CRIME is.
Is it dog-meat eating? Is it a crime in India?
Is it cruelty to the dog before it becomes meat? Is there a
prescribed standard, a basic minimum of humane ways of butchering
living things for meat in Indian laws ? Or even in commonly accepted
social norm?
Then we should ask IF the account presented believable?
The carefully detailed atrocities and acts of cruelty could not come
from anyone but an eyewitness who had absolutely no way to prevent or
mitigate what supposedly went on in that room where Yoronso and his
two accomplices committed the acts of savagery.
Obviously Shukla was not the eyewitness.
She either concocted it or accepted whatever was given to her by
whoever. It is an obviously embellished account.
But do we have any way of determining HOW MUCH it was embellished,
or exaggerated or even down-played ?
There may very well be elements of truth the account. But how much?
Is it deserving of STRONG PUNISHMENT? Is it even punishable?
My verdict:
Shukla is either :
A: A fool or at best an immature, ignorant zealot, driven
by her own agenda,
never mind how noble.
B: A conspirator , a scheming zealot out to punish a man,
never mind if the charges
against him is true or not. She and her enablers, the Asian
Age and the Deccan Chronicle
should be sued for libel, at the very least.
But we know what good that will do.
cm
At 8:11 PM +0800 7/21/08, Jyotirmoy Sharma wrote:
Hi Alpana
If you have seen my earlier posts, you will see that I was one of the
few
who advocated strong punishment for Yoronso for the barbaric crime of
beating an animal to death for food.
People got carried away with the NE generalisation, forgetting the
original crime.
Also, I would like to see what the Naga Associations think of this.
There is
no race called north easterners. The author is a typical hindustani
wallah
whose knowledge beyond the hindi belt is probably zero.
I also saw the link, the petition by JNU where people from all over the
world commented and were understandably disgusted.
JS
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Alpana B. Sarangapani
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Great to hear from you, Ram.
I just wanted to butt in here to make a few things clear.
This story has been doing the rounds for the last 10 days or so.
Right from the beginning, I have not read any one writing that
torturing
the dog 'Kali' was the right thing to do. Everyone has said that they
were
appaled/agast/sorry etc. about the torture.
I don't know if you read those mails right from the beginning, this
point
has been repeated over and over again. And frankly, this is nothing
new
here. Nobody has objected about Shukla's crusade for preventing
animal
cruelty.
The basic problem with Ambika Shukla is:
a) She generalized all North East Indians and made it look like we
all eat
dog meat and ill-treat animals.
b) She was condescending.
c) The student in question should go through the Indian legal system,
instead
Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul- ambika shukla pls stand up and send a clarification
Kamalda, Great observation there ..i agree with yr comments and as a pet owner i am horrified to read about that incident . Ambika bhen :-) If yr husband used his troops to search that dog, shame on him and his troops. Indian tax payers are not paying army for such mission . If he went to village elder and just requested him to find out from his village folks if they have seen that dog and holding it...that i guess is FINE as village elders in many NE communities are well respected and folks listen to them .we dont know the details and I am giving yr husband a benefit of doubt here. Pls send a letter to that newspaper with some sort of clarification on this article which has angered us here. We will welcome that. take care another not required Indian Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:21:06 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Assam] Murder Most Foul Hello Ambikaji, Namaste.I am writing this in reference to the piece written by you entitled Murder Most Foul ( The Deccan Herald,July 15 2008 ). First point first.Please allow me to join hands in running crusade against those who mistreat animals.We all, with our right conscience,ought to take anyone to task with harshest language possible for abusing animals.An exemplary punishment must be meted out to the Naga student, who subjected an animal to such a cruel treatment.The court of law must decide first as to whether or not he is guilty of the crime,he is accused to have committed.At this time,I would not rush to judgement pending full disclosure of facts.I,therefore, would prefer to remain skeptical until full findings by the court are out in the open. I am,however,shell-shocked by one of your statement in which you have bunched the people of the North-Eastern states together and stratified them as one.A direct quote would,perhaps,carry the right flavor : Apparently,North-Eastern students at JNU regularly lynch and barbecue dogs .A well-informed person like you must be aware of the fact that the North-East region consists of seven states ( gone up to eight with the inclusion of Sikkim ).Each of these states differs from the other in terms of diet,dialect and dress.Without a modicum of the doubt,the people hailing from most of these states don't consume dog meat.It is but natural that an Assamese and a Manipuri or a Tripuri for that matter would take umbrage at this sweeping generalisation. May I request you to retract the particular statement in order to clear things as day light? If you find me in error in saying so,please feel free to explain as to where I have erred. Regards, Kamaljit Deka Sugarland,Texas. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org _ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul- ambika shukla pls stand up and send a clarification
Great to hear from you, Ram. I just wanted to butt in here to make a few things clear. This story has been doing the rounds for the last 10 days or so. Right from the beginning, I have not read any one writing that torturing the dog 'Kali' was the right thing to do. Everyone has said that they were appaled/agast/sorry etc. about the torture. I don't know if you read those mails right from the beginning, this point has been repeated over and over again. And frankly, this is nothing new here. Nobody has objected about Shukla's crusade for preventing animal cruelty. The basic problem with Ambika Shukla is: a) She generalized all North East Indians and made it look like we all eat dog meat and ill-treat animals. b) She was condescending. c) The student in question should go through the Indian legal system, instead of being convicted by some media hype. Let us not make it look like this is the first time we woke up and found out that torturing of dog (or any animal) is reprehensible. BTW, if you did not know, we have two lovely German Shepherds which we treat as our children. I am sorry, if I offended anybody but reading your note made me wonder if this point (of condemning the torture incident) was ever missed. FYI, this point has been written over and over again right from the beginning. I am just disgusted. - Alpana Baideu “In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass.” From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:29:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul- ambika shukla pls stand up and send a clarification Kamalda, Great observation there ..i agree with yr comments and as a pet owner i am horrified to read about that incident . Ambika bhen :-) If yr husband used his troops to search that dog, shame on him and his troops. Indian tax payers are not paying army for such mission . If he went to village elder and just requested him to find out from his village folks if they have seen that dog and holding it...that i guess is FINE as village elders in many NE communities are well respected and folks listen to them .we dont know the details and I am giving yr husband a benefit of doubt here. Pls send a letter to that newspaper with some sort of clarification on this article which has angered us here. We will welcome that. take care another not required Indian Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:21:06 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Assam] Murder Most Foul Hello Ambikaji, Namaste.I am writing this in reference to the piece written by you entitled Murder Most Foul ( The Deccan Herald,July 15 2008 ). First point first.Please allow me to join hands in running crusade against those who mistreat animals.We all, with our right conscience,ought to take anyone to task with harshest language possible for abusing animals.An exemplary punishment must be meted out to the Naga student, who subjected an animal to such a cruel treatment.The court of law must decide first as to whether or not he is guilty of the crime,he is accused to have committed.At this time,I would not rush to judgement pending full disclosure of facts.I,therefore, would prefer to remain skeptical until full findings by the court are out in the open. I am,however,shell-shocked by one of your statement in which you have bunched the people of the North-Eastern states together and stratified them as one.A direct quote would,perhaps,carry the right flavor : Apparently,North-Eastern students at JNU regularly lynch and barbecue dogs .A well-informed person like you must be aware of the fact that the North-East region consists of seven states ( gone up to eight with the inclusion of Sikkim ).Each of these states differs from the other in terms of diet,dialect and dress.Without a modicum of the doubt,the people hailing from most of these states don't consume dog meat.It is but natural that an Assamese and a Manipuri or a Tripuri for that matter would take umbrage at this sweeping generalisation. May I request you to retract the particular statement in order to clear things as day light? If you find me in error in saying so,please feel free to explain as to where I have erred. Regards, Kamaljit Deka Sugarland,Texas. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org _ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman
Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul
Dear Goswami All I was doing is to change the focus from the North east to India for the wisdom of Ambika behn. India is a country full of contaridtions and one cannot generalise a particular region for for this or that. That is what I was trying to bring home to Ambika. Today, one friend told me that there was a news paper report that in North India some people eat human corpse. Are we then going to say, like Ambiaka did, that all North Idiand eat human corpse? That was my point. Regarding your views of eating dog food, let us not be judgemental about whethere eating dogfodd is better than eating fish, chicken, snake, frog, monkey or cow. Scientifically speaking, I donot see any difference, and nobody should. Regarding cruel treatment to animal, is a different issue. The question remains, why Indians still do practise animal sacrifise for worship of Durga and Kali. It should be stopped by law, treating the issue on equal level. Regards Rajen Barua - Original Message - From: Romen Goswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul Dear Rajen Ajanta, I do agree with most of your bullet points except the last statement. I would like to modify it as Why a tiny community of Indians in the Northeast eats dog meat?. I personally find it disgusting to read about Kali's fatal end at JNU . I have no reason to disbelieve the account which has been very well presented. We mustn't defend it just because we belong to the Northeast. It is shameful for all of us from the Northeast that the practice of eating dogs is still prevalent. I would personally like to see this practice of eating dogs stopped by law if possible as they are such lovely family friends. Perhaps, that will open a can of worms! Regards, Romen -- From: Rajen Ajanta Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:30 AM To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul Dear Ambika; I have been reading your article and the correspondence. I think the questions boil down to these: Why Indians cannot behave like civilised people? Why some Indians think they are better than others? Why Indians have so much racial violance? Why Indians hate each other? Why Indians have so many castes and outcastes? Why Indians burn their brides? Why Indians practise Sattee? Why Indians kills animals in the name of religion? And why Indians eat dog meat? Rajen Barua Houston, Texas - Original Message - From: Phanindra Goyari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:39 AM Subject: [Assam] Murder Most Foul Following article appeared in Deccan Chronicle paper today. I also love dogs and other animals. But author's one sentence is not palatable for many north-eastern people:It says: Apparently North-Eastern students at JNU regularly lynch and barbecue dogs. I heard that many people in Nagaland state eat dog meat. Now North-Eastern (NE)India consists of eight states: Assam, Arunachal, Meghalaya, Manipur, Nagaland, Mizoram, Tripura and Sikkim. Except some people in Nagaland, people from other NE states do not eat dog meat. FYI, many people in NE India are vegetarians. Thus, it may be right to say that many students from Nagaland eat dog meat, but it is not right to say that whole north-eastern students kill dogs for meat. Ambika's above statement is hurting the sentiment of many people of north-easter region of India. Regards, Phanindra Hyderabad ** Murder Most Foul article by Ambika Shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] Murder Most Foul Pets One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. Given a free rein of the area, she would romp happily over hill and dales yet magically appear at one whistle or call. But one evening there was no familiar figure loping homeward in response to our frantic whistles and calls. After combing the area, my husband visited the Gaon Burha (village Pradhan) of the closest Naga settlement and spelt
Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul- ambika shukla pls stand up and send a clarification
Hi Ram, Thanks. I respectfully beg to differ with Alpana Sarangapani.Since all of the responses were written individually,I don't see anything wrong in hammering upon the same focal points time and again.Instead of writing thesis by a few netters,their punch line should have been on the same moot points keeping their text abridged. *By the way,the attempt to establish a connection between the appointment of a Naga governor in Maharashtra and the article written by Shukla is,in my view, way way way out of the context.But then, mysterious are the ways of the Almighty !!!* KJD On 7/20/08, Ram Dhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kamalda, Great observation there ..i agree with yr comments and as a pet owner i am horrified to read about that incident . Ambika bhen :-) If yr husband used his troops to search that dog, shame on him and his troops. Indian tax payers are not paying army for such mission . If he went to village elder and just requested him to find out from his village folks if they have seen that dog and holding it...that i guess is FINE as village elders in many NE communities are well respected and folks listen to them .we dont know the details and I am giving yr husband a benefit of doubt here. Pls send a letter to that newspaper with some sort of clarification on this article which has angered us here. We will welcome that. take care another not required Indian Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:21:06 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Assam] Murder Most Foul Hello Ambikaji, Namaste.I am writing this in reference to the piece written by you entitled Murder Most Foul ( The Deccan Herald,July 15 2008 ). First point first.Please allow me to join hands in running crusade against those who mistreat animals.We all, with our right conscience,ought to take anyone to task with harshest language possible for abusing animals.An exemplary punishment must be meted out to the Naga student, who subjected an animal to such a cruel treatment.The court of law must decide first as to whether or not he is guilty of the crime,he is accused to have committed.At this time,I would not rush to judgement pending full disclosure of facts.I,therefore, would prefer to remain skeptical until full findings by the court are out in the open. I am,however,shell-shocked by one of your statement in which you have bunched the people of the North-Eastern states together and stratified them as one.A direct quote would,perhaps,carry the right flavor : Apparently,North-Eastern students at JNU regularly lynch and barbecue dogs .A well-informed person like you must be aware of the fact that the North-East region consists of seven states ( gone up to eight with the inclusion of Sikkim ).Each of these states differs from the other in terms of diet,dialect and dress.Without a modicum of the doubt,the people hailing from most of these states don't consume dog meat.It is but natural that an Assamese and a Manipuri or a Tripuri for that matter would take umbrage at this sweeping generalisation. May I request you to retract the particular statement in order to clear things as day light? If you find me in error in saying so,please feel free to explain as to where I have erred. Regards, Kamaljit Deka Sugarland,Texas. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org _ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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Dear all, Who is this Ambika? How she dare call all NE people dog eaters? Please donot let her escape like this. I agree that our politicians donot raise their voice in the parliament, but our journalists are not. If anybody from anywhere talk some bullshit people should not accept. But as I have seen, most Indians either donot have any knowledge about NE (except the bussinessmens who have their bussiness in NE) or unaware what exists there. People like Ambika, think that she is the most learned person in the world and so comment anything on anyone (without knowing anything about NE). But she definitely has (unknowingly) expressed her thinking (mindset) which resembles people from the stone age. I would request our journalist friends to rehabilitate and correct her (Ambika) mindset about NE. BKPait Manager: ISOM 7886 kamal deka [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/20/2008 8:51 AM Hello Ambikaji, Namaste.I am writing this in reference to the piece written by you entitled Murder Most Foul ( The Deccan Herald,July 15 2008 ). First point first.Please allow me to join hands in running crusade against those who mistreat animals.We all, with our right conscience,ought to take anyone to task with harshest language possible for abusing animals.An exemplary punishment must be meted out to the Naga student, who subjected an animal to such a cruel treatment.The court of law must decide first as to whether or not he is guilty of the crime,he is accused to have committed.At this time,I would not rush to judgement pending full disclosure of facts.I,therefore, would prefer to remain skeptical until full findings by the court are out in the open. I am,however,shell-shocked by one of your statement in which you have bunched the people of the North-Eastern states together and stratified them as one.A direct quote would,perhaps,carry the right flavor : Apparently,North-Eastern students at JNU regularly lynch and barbecue dogs .A well-informed person like you must be aware of the fact that the North-East region consists of seven states ( gone up to eight with the inclusion of Sikkim ).Each of these states differs from the other in terms of diet,dialect and dress.Without a modicum of the doubt,the people hailing from most of these states don't consume dog meat.It is but natural that an Assamese and a Manipuri or a Tripuri for that matter would take umbrage at this sweeping generalisation. May I request you to retract the particular statement in order to clear things as day light? If you find me in error in saying so,please feel free to explain as to where I have erred. Regards, Kamaljit Deka Sugarland,Texas. This e-mail message is only to be used by intended recipients and all others may kindly delete it and notify the sender. Unless expressly authorized by HPCL, the views expressed and the message itself is that of the individual sender and recipients are cautioned to check messages/attachments for any viruses before use. Users acknowledge that messages may contain confidential, proprietary or privileged information and that HPCL neither assures nor guarantees integrity or content of messages. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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Well Ms Shukla. Thanx for your reply. But where have we said we do not condemn such inhuman behaviour. We condemn such behaviour in the most strong manner and equally condemn belief of people like you who considers the people of NE as of lesser civility. As it is clear that an apology is beyond your arrogance, I hope you will consider using proper facts and words while writing on such sensitive issues in the future. Regards Muktikam Phukan Deputy Director (NR) Petroleum Conservation Research Association Sanrakshan Bhawan,10, Bhikaiji Cama Place,New Delhi 110066 Ph: +91 11 26198856 Ext 385, Mob: +91 9818598565 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] , [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- On Fri, 18/7/08, ambika shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ambika shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul - Pets To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, 18 July, 2008, 7:09 PM Yoronso did not just kill a dog -- though that is bad enough-- he tortured an animal to death. Not only is what he did illegal , it is also morally reprehensible. It cannot be defended as tradition or custom. He is as much a danger to his own kind as he is to others. It is perverted minds with a taste for cruelty that are a threat to society as a whole. This is why Nagas and other North Eastern Indians must join with all Indians in demanding punishment for one who brings shame not only to himself but to his community , race, country and species. No human can or should condone barbarity. --- On Thu, 7/17/08, muktikam phukan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: muktikam phukan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul - Pets To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 9:35 AM Dear Sir Thats wonderful. True facts put across beautifully. Ms Ambika hopefully responds to this with an apology. Regards Muktikam Phukan Deputy Director (NR) Petroleum Conservation Research Association Sanrakshan Bhawan,10, Bhikaiji Cama Place,New Delhi 110066 Ph: +91 11 26198856 Ext 385, Mob: +91 9818598565 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] , [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- On Tue, 15/7/08, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul - Pets To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.org Date: Tuesday, 15 July, 2008, 8:59 PM Dear Ms. Shukla, I was agast to read your article Murder most foul in the Deccan Chronicle (July 15, 2008). Yes, I was agast as to how the poor JNU's campus dog was bludgeoned to death, but I was more agast of your rather poor knowledge of, and condescension toward the North Eastern states of India. It maybe that you perhaps first need an object lesson in geography, possibly history of India (you know - get to know your country), and not in the least, a good lesson in humility. First of all, you ought to know that the North Eastern States comprises of many other states. In Assam, a North-Eastern State, for example, there are many vegitarians, as well as non-vegitarians, and the population is mostly Hindu. Manipur, another North-Eastern state, too is mostly Hindu. Dogs certainly are not on the menu. It is unfortunate, that you could not bring yourself to appreciate the beauty of the landscape of Nagaland. You probably did not find it in your heart to appreciate and study the culture, the language and customs of the good people of Nagaland. If I could suggest, you might want to try and read the volumes of good literature written by the British (many of the army) on the North-Eastern states during the Raj. You make some sweeping statements regarding the whole of the North East, when you declare, Apparently North-Eastern students at JNU regularly lynch and barbecue dogs. Really! Have you ever met or heard of any Assamese or Manipuri who eats dogs? I know, you may think 'they all look alike' and hence your condescension and then clubbing of all the 'natives' together. The fact, however, is the people in the North-Eastern states are as varied and different as other parts of the country, and so are their food habits. They come in different hues. That is what makes India unique, as the country comprises of all hues, shapes, forms, colors, religions, vegitarians, and non-vegitarians. And when you write After combing the area, my husband visited the Gaon Burha (village
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Friends, I would also like to add that our NRI friends cold file legal defamation suit against Ambika Mishra as well Asian Age,Deccan chronicle from the concerned countries with compensation of billion USD. Indian residents also should file.Since I am already personally involved with the Nov 24 Beltola issue with legal proceedings, I am unable to handle this case from my end.However once details are available to me, I will ask Army HQ for summary of evidence to conduct GCM. Regards. Dr.Bikash Kumar Das Founder Director Rhino Jungle Adventures Karnataka, North East India. Bangalore( India) Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/ ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul - Pets ( URGENT PLS)
I see that we need to address a few things and concentrate our efforts on those only: The mindset of the other Indians about the North-Eastern (NE) Indians needs to go through a change. We need to help them see the correct picture. This can be done by writing to newspapers and other media, vehemently protesting when things like this come up, etc. In this kind of case, a law suit is not going to be helpful. Negative mindset can not be changed with a law suit. It is commonly referred to as changing the hearts and minds. Lawsuits work when actions are taken - like the discriminating lawsuit that was filed for not letting the NE student into a club in Delhi. Here, we do not have evidence that it indeed did take place. She needs to know that there are millions of people in the North East India that are NON-Vegetarians, like many from the rest of the world, but they DO NOT KILL for their own food. If that was the case, there would not be any stray dogs (or goats or cows) in Assam or anywhere else in India, for that matter. Animal cruelty need to be stopped - regardless of who perpetrates it, in whatever caste, creed, religion or nationality. I can not change the world by asking people to be vegetarian, but at least they can use ethical ways. I think and hope that she has got the message. Next time she writes anything about the NE, she will be extra careful in making generalized statements and being condescending. Generalizing was the biggest mistake that she made that exposed her condescending mentality towards other people. “In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass.” Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:59:25 +0530 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul - Pets ( URGENT PLS) Friends, I would love to have the details of Ambika's Army officer husband's Name,Rank,Unit/Location to file official complaint to the chief of Army Staff Gen.Deepak Kapoor, Supreme comander of the armed forces her excellence President of India, to initiate summary of evidence ( the first state of GCM- General Court Martial) to go for GCM by the Army HQ(Sena Bhavan)New Delhi for his mis-use of army officer role in the north east and ill treating people of NE, torturing people for his dog, Taking law in his hand defying law of the land,His wife writing against people of NE, NRI's openly with dire consequences, in the cover of Indian journalism sitting at Delhi. I know India dnt need such oficers, they are to be jailed by RI in the naga jails only at the max and to be court martialed there only( HQ.No.3 Corps Dimapur). Anyone could help to to have the informations. I am also adamant to teach a good lession to her and him.No more mercy now.I can do this.Already because of my initiative one Maj Gen had taugh time while he was shown in TV for mis use of uniform for an ad. Bikash Kumar Das. Bangalore 09480618880 From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/citygroups/ ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org _ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072008 ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul - Pets ( URGENT PLS)
Baideo,
I failed to get you what you mean to say.Then hope we al should have shut our
mouth or keyboards.Let Ambika keep writing against all of us.She is only using
her some extra power.Didnot you read what she said with pride that her Army
oficer hubby did threatened the villagers.. just to increase anti Indian
feelings by these stupids of the Army.We NE people are famous for tolerating.
After Rajiv Gandhi was killed brutally, once LTTE dominated village near sea
shore off TN attacked an Navy unit.the Naval people fired and 5 LTTE
died.Immediately SP of the area came and arrested the 10 Navy security man for
firing at innocent civilian.They are now also in jail for murdering Indian.
But in NE ambika's hubby might have kiled thousands.She even
insulted al the NRI Assamese, knowing that you people are assamese, still you
do have heart for her.. Sad.
Leaving my work, as I dnt have paid job, is working hard to find out the legal
aspects to go on, on the otehr side your soft corner is amazing.
Bangalore itself got more than 30,000 total NE people, student.Not a single
know about it.neither they wanted to know.Only its ME- the one man to cry- and
die for NE.Why
becauuse its in my blood.Although I am from military.At 46 I am well
fit.Others.. the US pizza effect.They have no guts to stand for
motehrland.Slavery time is over- we need to show the world what we can do now
with the changing technology. Ambika doesnt know al these.She know only DOG as
she look alike a mad dog- as I got a photo of her.Time to kick the so called
Indian dadagiri to NE.
Bikash
Bangalore.
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Evidence, Bikash. I am talking about evidence. Even in the fairest court (human court, that is) of law, even murderers get away scot-free due to lack of enough evidence. In this case, was there a case filed? Do we have those people of that village to give evidence? And yes, I do have a soft corner for animals, but try to stay away from people that can not help themselves that indulge arrogance, and are merciless. I believe being vindictive brings nothing back in life. But that's just me, a firm believer in ultimate fairness. “In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass.” Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:52:35 +0530From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Assam] Murder Most Foul - Pets ( URGENT PLS)To: assam@assamnet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Baideo, I failed to get you what you mean to say.Then hope we al should have shut our mouth or keyboards.Let Ambika keep writing against all of us.She is only using her some extra power.Didnot you read what she said with pride that her Army oficer hubby did threatened the villagers.. just to increase anti Indian feelings by these stupids of the Army.We NE people are famous for tolerating. After Rajiv Gandhi was killed brutally, once LTTE dominated village near sea shore off TN attacked an Navy unit.the Naval people fired and 5 LTTE died.Immediately SP of the area came and arrested the 10 Navy security man for firing at innocent civilian.They are now also in jail for murdering Indian. But in NE ambika's hubby might have kiled thousands.She even insulted al the NRI Assamese, knowing that you people are assamese, still you do have heart for her.. Sad. Leaving my work, as I dnt have paid job, is working hard to find out the legal aspects to go on, on the otehr side your soft corner is amazing. Bangalore itself got more than 30,000 total NE people, student.Not a single know about it.neither they wanted to know.Only its ME- the one man to cry- and die for NE.Why becauuse its in my blood.Although I am from military.At 46 I am well fit.Others.. the US pizza effect.They have no guts to stand for motehrland.Slavery time is over- we need to show the world what we can do now with the changing technology. Ambika doesnt know al these.She know only DOG as she look alike a mad dog- as I got a photo of her.Time to kick the so called Indian dadagiri to NE. Bikash Bangalore. I see that we need to address a few things and concentrate our efforts on those only: travel with you. Connect on the go. Get an email ID as [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Click here. _ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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Dear Rajen Ajanta, I do agree with most of your bullet points except the last statement. I would like to modify it as Why a tiny community of Indians in the Northeast eats dog meat?. I personally find it disgusting to read about Kali's fatal end at JNU . I have no reason to disbelieve the account which has been very well presented. We mustn't defend it just because we belong to the Northeast. It is shameful for all of us from the Northeast that the practice of eating dogs is still prevalent. I would personally like to see this practice of eating dogs stopped by law if possible as they are such lovely family friends. Perhaps, that will open a can of worms! Regards, Romen -- From: Rajen Ajanta Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:30 AM To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul Dear Ambika; I have been reading your article and the correspondence. I think the questions boil down to these: Why Indians cannot behave like civilised people? Why some Indians think they are better than others? Why Indians have so much racial violance? Why Indians hate each other? Why Indians have so many castes and outcastes? Why Indians burn their brides? Why Indians practise Sattee? Why Indians kills animals in the name of religion? And why Indians eat dog meat? Rajen Barua Houston, Texas - Original Message - From: Phanindra Goyari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:39 AM Subject: [Assam] Murder Most Foul Following article appeared in Deccan Chronicle paper today. I also love dogs and other animals. But author's one sentence is not palatable for many north-eastern people:It says: Apparently North-Eastern students at JNU regularly lynch and barbecue dogs. I heard that many people in Nagaland state eat dog meat. Now North-Eastern (NE)India consists of eight states: Assam, Arunachal, Meghalaya, Manipur, Nagaland, Mizoram, Tripura and Sikkim. Except some people in Nagaland, people from other NE states do not eat dog meat. FYI, many people in NE India are vegetarians. Thus, it may be right to say that many students from Nagaland eat dog meat, but it is not right to say that whole north-eastern students kill dogs for meat. Ambika's above statement is hurting the sentiment of many people of north-easter region of India. Regards, Phanindra Hyderabad ** Murder Most Foul article by Ambika Shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] Murder Most Foul Pets One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. Given a free rein of the area, she would romp happily over hill and dales yet magically appear at one whistle or call. But one evening there was no familiar figure loping homeward in response to our frantic whistles and calls. After combing the area, my husband visited the Gaon Burha (village Pradhan) of the closest Naga settlement and spelt out all sorts of dire consequences if the dog did not return. Twenty minutes later, Bindu was safely home. An incident that occurred this week brings home the awful fate that Bindu so narrowly escaped. On the night of July 7, Yoronso, a 30-year-old Naga student at Delhi's prestigious Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) invited two pals over to his hostel room. Kali, a friendly eight-year-old campus dog (born and brought up there) happened to be sitting near the stairs. Using biscuits they lured her upstairs into Yoronso' s room (No 248 Kaveri Hostel) and bolted the door. Yoronso fed Kali some rice from the hostel mess and then tied up her mouth. The three then began to bludgeon the little creature with a cricket bat and curtain rods. After battering her for more than half-an-hour, Yoronso stuck a knife into the still conscious dog and began to cut her, even as she moaned and writhed in pain. Finally, they took a brick and smashed Kali's swollen, bleeding skull. The noise and blood seeping under the door attracted attention and a crowd of students and the warden began to bang on the door, forcing it open. Yoronso and his accomplices were caught red-handed - literally. Everyone was nauseated to find the battered remains of Kali and the cruelty that had been inflicted on the dog. Some students immediately summoned the police. But the warden, anxious to avoid any controversy, immediately planned a cover up by removing the body and the murder weapons. Students were warned not to make any
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Dear Romen Dangoriya Why not to stop eating Indian holy animal COW??? Dog is not, never worshipped even he took the Pundabs to the heaven. None cries for the cow as it will hurt some other religion.In this case dog could be very wel be eaten as its production is faster than cow. What about ploughing in the fields/bullock carts used by the poor villagers?Not cruelty?Will Ambika Shukla or Maneka Gandhi provide FREE tractors to them with life long free maintenance?? In kerala even Hindu mallus to eat beef.Who stops it? In Karnataka the Gowda comunity prefer beef with drinks...then?? So here is the big question of what I said in practical.Only stopping dog meat will never solve the isue.Why PFA is only for Dogs??? WHAT AMBIKA WAS DOING IN THE JNU, she being married and with family?? Is she suposed to be there?? Law will ask lot.Is she involved with some UNFAIR practice there and wanted to cover up the whole things by projecting the dog issue?? I would love to say in this point that dog is also a good animal for secret pleasure.As a army wife she will know better..So are the love for dogs.Right?? Bikash --- On Sun, 20/7/08, Romen Goswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Romen Goswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, 20 July, 2008, 5:58 AM Dear Rajen Ajanta, I do agree with most of your bullet points except the last statement. I would like to modify it as Why a tiny community of Indians in the Northeast eats dog meat?. I personally find it disgusting to read about Kali's fatal end at JNU . I have no reason to disbelieve the account which has been very well presented. We mustn't defend it just because we belong to the Northeast. It is shameful for all of us from the Northeast that the practice of eating dogs is still prevalent. I would personally like to see this practice of eating dogs stopped by law if possible as they are such lovely family friends. Perhaps, that will open a can of worms! Regards, Romen .org From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/citygroups/ ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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The following went out to Shukla, Deccan Chronicle etc. in a different mail. cm Dear Ms. Shukla, Thanks much for the reply. It is intellectually deceitful though woefully common to attempt to defend a crime by deflecting attention to other entirely unrelated issues. *** It indeed could be. Except that in this instance, what I cited was not in an attempt to deflect attention away from your peeves but are entirely relevant issues. Allow me to explain. Would it be reasonable for me to surmise that the entire idea behind your piece in the Deccan Chronicle ( my apologies for calling it the Deccan Herald earlier) was: A: To seek JUSTICE for that dog, no ordinary mongrel, but JNU Campus born and raised and everybody's pet, the ripe old (8 years, 56 in human years) Kali, supposedly 'lynched and barbecued' by Mr. Oronso and his two other Naga accomplices ( I do pity their taste of meat), but denied by the establishment of JNU, ostensibly on grounds of political correctness ? B: To bring attention to the savagery of the 'Northeasterners' at JNU who routinely 'lynch and barbecue' its dogs, as they supposedly did to that poor old Kali's mother, Leela too ? It was all about justice; about civilized behavior; about kindness, at least to to dumb animals if not toward other humans; about crime and punishment; about social responsibilities. If it were so, how do YOU fare in your article on each count above Ms. Shukla? Have you taken a moment to ponder about that? Would you care to tell this 'Northeasterner' and others in assamnet and to all of us such savages in or from this mythical land you and other clueless Indians refer to as that 'Northeast' (--- Northeast of What)? My acerbic note was to point exactly that out to assamnetters and those other recipients of the note, including the Deccan Chronicle, whose editors too were as clueless as you were. From the responses I saw in assamnet, I can tell this savage lot do GET IT. But obviously you did not. I am not the least bit surprised however. Because I have been observing Indian intelligentsia's clue-less-ness about the democratic ethos. It is all too abundantly clear to Nagas, Assamese, Mizos, Meiteis, Khasis, Boros, Garos, Jayantias, Karbis, Misings, Adis, Monpas and dozens of other such indigenous peoples, who call this land you refer to as your 'Northeast' home and have cultures, religions, histories and aspirations just like yours; except that people such as yourself are not only not willing to respect them but are actively participating in denying them while fervently seeking it for the ostensibly 'barbecued' dogs Kali and Leela. You ma'am, only made that even more clear with your piece in the Deccan Chronicle. And you don't get it. That is the shame of it all. Sincerely yours, Chandan Mahanta St. Louis, USA PS: I will be very pleased to explain each point, if you REALLY don't get it. And I promise not to be sarcastic again. Just let me know. At 6:02 AM -0700 7/18/08, ambika shukla wrote: It is intellectually deceitful though woefully common to attempt to defend a crime by deflecting attention to other entirely unrelated issues. The article was not about the army's role in Nagaland , though one can engage on that issue separately, and perhaps even on the same side. Yoronso did not just kill a dog -- though that is bad enough-- he tortured an animal to death. Not only is what he did illegal , it is also morally reprehensible. It cannot be defended as tradition or custom. He is as much a danger to his own kind as he is to others. It is perverted minds with a taste for cruelty that are a threat to society as a whole. This is why Nagas and other North Eastern Indians must join with all Indians in demanding punishment for one who brings shame not only to himself but to his community , race and species. No human can and should condone barbarity. --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 8:41 AM Amazing tale! And even more amazing is the state of Indian journalism and its 'democracy' . Allow me to introduce myself: I am an ethnic Assamese , living in the USA and an observer of Indian Institutions of democracy, its 'journalism' and the role of its intelligentsia ( or more precisely its absence from) in shaping them. The author opens up on Nagas with her military husband's terrorizing
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Again Ms. Shukla, Go back a re-read your article. If you are unable and still cannot see the light, maybe other netters and others from the NE canpin point these again to you. I am again copying this to Assam net. There are many people from the NE at Delhi and other places who find your article reprehensible - so it is NOT JUST ME. People still await a sincere apology from you, Ms. Shukla. Do the right thing. Sincerely once again with best wishes. Ram Sarangapani Texas, USA On 7/18/08, ambika shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please do not use this correspondence to establish yourself as some kind of champion of the North Eastern 'underdog'. Try and find a more worthwhile windmill. Nobody made any 'sweeping statements' , what was said and is still maintained is that North Eastern students into which category Naga students fall -- have killed JNU campus dogs in the past and there are specific instances to prove this. The intention is not to indict all N.E students but definitely those guilty of this crime. As far as eating dogs being uncouth and uncivilised , yes, it is as is eating any animal which I have repeated several times in my column. Instead of looking at this in such a narrow partisan fashion, open up your heart and mind. The issue here is about atrocities against those weaker than oneself-- whether the victim is human or animal is irrelevant and largely a matter of opportunity. For it is the same people who would torture a dog who would hit a woman or bully a child. As for due process , that is what is being asked for. The University and police must not try and cover up a crime simply because the victim was 'only a dog'. The article is neither a discussion on the N.E., the army or indeed anything except the cruelty meted out to an animal by an insensitive lout who deserves to be punished to the maximum both legally and socially. If you cannot see that, please do not waste my time and your own any further. --- On *Fri, 7/18/08, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Murder Most Foul - Pets To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 7:52 PM Dear Ms. Shukla, Thanks for you response. Frankly, I was not expecting any. It is surprising, that inspite of being a journalist, you still seem not to have got the message. That message is simple: (a) You make sweeping statements, indict whole sections of people. If still do not understand, go back and re-read what you wrote in the article regarding North Easterners regularly torturing and eating dogs. Probably meaning that they are uncouth, uneducated, unsophiticated and so on, and only someone like you will be able to teach them a thing or two? (b) You brag (and probably still do) about the fact that your Army husband used the Indian Army for personal use - combing the Naga countryside for your lost pet pooch, and of threatening the village headman of 'dire consequences'. This statement alone speaks volumes of how certain people still look down upon poorer and unfortunate sections of people. It is pure and simple condescension backed by some kind of power-trip. (c) You indicted, then seemed to have passed summary judgement and punishment on the Naga student. In your exburance to fight for animal rights cruelty (a noble cause), you seem to have promptly forgotten something very basic to a democracy, called Due Process. If this was a crime, as you vehemently indicate, then go to court, prove it, and let the courts decide on the punishment. Are you the judge, jury executioneer? (d) Lastly, the whole thing has more to do with your 'holier than thou' attitude and your disregard for people from the NE, than the incident itself. My being an NRI, or other things have absolutely no bearing on the subject. If you are a sincere journalist, you will do the right thing for having hurt the sentiments of people from a number of States. And the right thing is to issue a quick, sincere apology by writing a retraction in the same Deccan Chronicle, maybe meet with the Assamese residents at Delhi and so on. Take care once again with best wishes, Ram Sarangapani Texas, USA PS: I am copying this to Assam net - an online group of people from the NE.. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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*The issue here is about atrocities against those weaker than oneself-- whether the victim is human or animal is irrelevant and largely a matter of opportunity. For it is the same people who would torture a dog who would hit a woman or bully a child.* Dog meat = ful-goby (cauliflower) to me slurp! :) Hi Mrs. Ambika Shuka, I am your neighbor, from New Delhi :) Babul Lajpat Nagar *PS. I wonder your husband must be enjoying telling you the story of his threatening the poor village headman in Nagaland ! Say hi to Mr India.* On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again Ms. Shukla, Go back a re-read your article. If you are unable and still cannot see the light, maybe other netters and others from the NE canpin point these again to you. I am again copying this to Assam net. There are many people from the NE at Delhi and other places who find your article reprehensible - so it is NOT JUST ME. People still await a sincere apology from you, Ms. Shukla. Do the right thing. Sincerely once again with best wishes. Ram Sarangapani Texas, USA On 7/18/08, ambika shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please do not use this correspondence to establish yourself as some kind of champion of the North Eastern 'underdog'. Try and find a more worthwhile windmill. Nobody made any 'sweeping statements' , what was said and is still maintained is that North Eastern students into which category Naga students fall -- have killed JNU campus dogs in the past and there are specific instances to prove this. The intention is not to indict all N.E students but definitely those guilty of this crime. As far as eating dogs being uncouth and uncivilised , yes, it is as is eating any animal which I have repeated several times in my column. Instead of looking at this in such a narrow partisan fashion, open up your heart and mind. *The issue here is about atrocities against those weaker than oneself-- whether the victim is human or animal is irrelevant and largely a matter of opportunity. For it is the same people who would torture a dog who would hit a woman or bully a child.* As for due process , that is what is being asked for. The University and police must not try and cover up a crime simply because the victim was 'only a dog'. The article is neither a discussion on the N.E., the army or indeed anything except the cruelty meted out to an animal by an insensitive lout who deserves to be punished to the maximum both legally and socially. If you cannot see that, please do not waste my time and your own any further. --- On *Fri, 7/18/08, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Murder Most Foul - Pets To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 7:52 PM Dear Ms. Shukla, Thanks for you response. Frankly, I was not expecting any. It is surprising, that inspite of being a journalist, you still seem not to have got the message. That message is simple: (a) You make sweeping statements, indict whole sections of people. If still do not understand, go back and re-read what you wrote in the article regarding North Easterners regularly torturing and eating dogs. Probably meaning that they are uncouth, uneducated, unsophiticated and so on, and only someone like you will be able to teach them a thing or two? (b) You brag (and probably still do) about the fact that your Army husband used the Indian Army for personal use - combing the Naga countryside for your lost pet pooch, and of threatening the village headman of 'dire consequences'. This statement alone speaks volumes of how certain people still look down upon poorer and unfortunate sections of people. It is pure and simple condescension backed by some kind of power-trip. (c) You indicted, then seemed to have passed summary judgement and punishment on the Naga student. In your exburance to fight for animal rights cruelty (a noble cause), you seem to have promptly forgotten something very basic to a democracy, called Due Process. If this was a crime, as you vehemently indicate, then go to court, prove it, and let the courts decide on the punishment. Are you the judge, jury executioneer? (d) Lastly, the whole thing has more to do with your 'holier than thou' attitude and your disregard for people from the NE, than the incident itself. My being an NRI, or other things have absolutely no bearing on the subject. If you are a sincere journalist, you will do the right thing for having hurt the sentiments of people from a number of States. And the right thing is to issue a quick, sincere apology by writing a retraction in the same Deccan Chronicle, maybe meet with the Assamese residents at Delhi and so on. Take care once again with best wishes, Ram Sarangapani Texas, USA PS:
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The following mail went to Ms. Shukla who sent a personal note Uttam Kumar Borthakur --- On Fri, 18/7/08, uttam borthakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: uttam borthakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, 18 July, 2008, 8:49 PM Dear Ms. Shukla I've already replied to a similar suggestion. The suggestion as well as my reply has been reproduced below. I hope that would clarify the position apropos the graphic description of the incident: The suggestion was: I love my non-veg food but if we are to believe what has been described, it's barbaric.You don't skin an animal alive in a civlized society.I fully support strict action against this Mr Yoronso. My reply was: Now please read this: The three then began to bludgeon the little creature with a cricket bat and curtain rods. After battering her for more than half-an-hour, Yoronso stuck a knife into the still conscious dog and began to cut her, even as she moaned and writhed in pain. Finally, they took a brick and smashed Kali's swollen, bleeding skull. The noise and blood seeping under the door attracted attention and a crowd of students and the warden began to bang on the door, forcing it open. Yoronso and his accomplices were caught red-handed — literally. First, you have to believe the story. The description of the happenings inside the room are too graphic. It requires some gullibility! How is it known that Mr. Yoronso skinned the animal when alive? Was it still alive after they took a brick and smashed Kali's swollen, bleeding skull subsequent to which they were caught. The smashing followed or was followed by cutting the skin? It took the crowd to bang on the door 'half an hour of bludgeoning' 'cutting up' and 'smashing'. Too many loose ends. The story appears to be a product of highly imaginative mind. She's more worried about her irish setter' Bindu's fate. Second, what is a humane way of killing? Hanging by the neck? Halal? (Guns are not allowed in the campus) Anyone after food would like to kill fast. Or is there an assumed 'inhuman' trait in the people other than north indians that they derive pleasure from inflicting pain on what they prey? Uttam Kumar Borthakur I hope you are getting what I am hinting at. The mindset leading to alienation. Uttam Kumar Borthakur --- On Fri, 18/7/08, ambika shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ambika shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, 18 July, 2008, 5:31 PM Dear Mr Borthakur, Yoronso did not just kill a dog -- though that is bad enough-- he tortured an animal to death. Not only is what he did illegal , it is also morally reprehensible. It cannot be defended as tradition or custom. He is as much a danger to his own kind as he is to others. It is perverted minds with a taste for cruelty that are a threat to society as a whole. This is why Nagas must join with all Indians in demanding punishment for one who brings shame not only to himself but to his community , race and species. No human can and should condone barbarity. --- On Tue, 7/15/08, uttam borthakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: uttam borthakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 4:55 PM One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. The University should also refuse to accept Yoronso’s Ph.D thesis, which his guide should also refuse to sign. The varsity must also revoke his Bachelor and Master’s Degrees, and co-operate with the police to chargesheet and arrest all the three men. Apart from the shame of a top University colluding with criminals, even more shameful is that these so-called mastermind academics cannot even come up with a plausible cover-up! Demand action against the tormentors of a helpless, harmless young life. ..What an attitude! The attitude of the 'occupational forces'. The respectable Gao Burha was treated like a vermin. Comaparable with the occupational forces of Israel: the arab in their own land has to seek permission of the occupational army to grow vegetables or fruits for sustenance. The 'Irish' setter's [not a desi mongrel there] status is obviously higher than the lowly cur of a Gao Burha. Mr. Shukla should have tried that stuff in his own state with the village pramukh. Just look at her sense of retribution. Only because a dog is a food (as also in China where Beijing olympic is being staged) for a scholar, he should
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We condemn such apathetic statements, Ms Ambika, wish you be a little sensitive. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 8:51 PM, bg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *The issue here is about atrocities against those weaker than oneself-- whether the victim is human or animal is irrelevant and largely a matter of opportunity. For it is the same people who would torture a dog who would hit a woman or bully a child.* Dog meat = ful-goby (cauliflower) to me slurp! :) Hi Mrs. Ambika Shuka, I am your neighbor, from New Delhi :) Babul Lajpat Nagar *PS. I wonder your husband must be enjoying telling you the story of his threatening the poor village headman in Nagaland ! Say hi to Mr India.* On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again Ms. Shukla, Go back a re-read your article. If you are unable and still cannot see the light, maybe other netters and others from the NE canpin point these again to you. I am again copying this to Assam net. There are many people from the NE at Delhi and other places who find your article reprehensible - so it is NOT JUST ME. People still await a sincere apology from you, Ms. Shukla. Do the right thing. Sincerely once again with best wishes. Ram Sarangapani Texas, USA On 7/18/08, ambika shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please do not use this correspondence to establish yourself as some kind of champion of the North Eastern 'underdog'. Try and find a more worthwhile windmill. Nobody made any 'sweeping statements' , what was said and is still maintained is that North Eastern students into which category Naga students fall -- have killed JNU campus dogs in the past and there are specific instances to prove this. The intention is not to indict all N.E students but definitely those guilty of this crime. As far as eating dogs being uncouth and uncivilised , yes, it is as is eating any animal which I have repeated several times in my column. Instead of looking at this in such a narrow partisan fashion, open up your heart and mind. *The issue here is about atrocities against those weaker than oneself-- whether the victim is human or animal is irrelevant and largely a matter of opportunity. For it is the same people who would torture a dog who would hit a woman or bully a child.* As for due process , that is what is being asked for. The University and police must not try and cover up a crime simply because the victim was 'only a dog'. The article is neither a discussion on the N.E., the army or indeed anything except the cruelty meted out to an animal by an insensitive lout who deserves to be punished to the maximum both legally and socially. If you cannot see that, please do not waste my time and your own any further. --- On *Fri, 7/18/08, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Murder Most Foul - Pets To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 7:52 PM Dear Ms. Shukla, Thanks for you response. Frankly, I was not expecting any. It is surprising, that inspite of being a journalist, you still seem not to have got the message. That message is simple: (a) You make sweeping statements, indict whole sections of people. If still do not understand, go back and re-read what you wrote in the article regarding North Easterners regularly torturing and eating dogs. Probably meaning that they are uncouth, uneducated, unsophiticated and so on, and only someone like you will be able to teach them a thing or two? (b) You brag (and probably still do) about the fact that your Army husband used the Indian Army for personal use - combing the Naga countryside for your lost pet pooch, and of threatening the village headman of 'dire consequences'. This statement alone speaks volumes of how certain people still look down upon poorer and unfortunate sections of people. It is pure and simple condescension backed by some kind of power-trip. (c) You indicted, then seemed to have passed summary judgement and punishment on the Naga student. In your exburance to fight for animal rights cruelty (a noble cause), you seem to have promptly forgotten something very basic to a democracy, called Due Process. If this was a crime, as you vehemently indicate, then go to court, prove it, and let the courts decide on the punishment. Are you the judge, jury executioneer? (d) Lastly, the whole thing has more to do with your 'holier than thou' attitude and your disregard for people from the NE, than the incident itself. My being an NRI, or other things have absolutely no bearing on the subject. If you are a sincere journalist, you will do the right thing for having hurt the sentiments of people
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Decan Chronicle's Editor's email, in case someone missed it: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 8:59 PM, nilankur das [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We condemn such apathetic statements, Ms Ambika, wish you be a little sensitive. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 8:51 PM, bg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *The issue here is about atrocities against those weaker than oneself-- whether the victim is human or animal is irrelevant and largely a matter of opportunity. For it is the same people who would torture a dog who would hit a woman or bully a child.* Dog meat = ful-goby (cauliflower) to me slurp! :) Hi Mrs. Ambika Shuka, I am your neighbor, from New Delhi :) Babul Lajpat Nagar *PS. I wonder your husband must be enjoying telling you the story of his threatening the poor village headman in Nagaland ! Say hi to Mr India.* On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again Ms. Shukla, Go back a re-read your article. If you are unable and still cannot see the light, maybe other netters and others from the NE canpin point these again to you. I am again copying this to Assam net. There are many people from the NE at Delhi and other places who find your article reprehensible - so it is NOT JUST ME. People still await a sincere apology from you, Ms. Shukla. Do the right thing. Sincerely once again with best wishes. Ram Sarangapani Texas, USA On 7/18/08, ambika shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please do not use this correspondence to establish yourself as some kind of champion of the North Eastern 'underdog'. Try and find a more worthwhile windmill. Nobody made any 'sweeping statements' , what was said and is still maintained is that North Eastern students into which category Naga students fall -- have killed JNU campus dogs in the past and there are specific instances to prove this. The intention is not to indict all N.E students but definitely those guilty of this crime. As far as eating dogs being uncouth and uncivilised , yes, it is as is eating any animal which I have repeated several times in my column. Instead of looking at this in such a narrow partisan fashion, open up your heart and mind. *The issue here is about atrocities against those weaker than oneself-- whether the victim is human or animal is irrelevant and largely a matter of opportunity. For it is the same people who would torture a dog who would hit a woman or bully a child.* As for due process , that is what is being asked for. The University and police must not try and cover up a crime simply because the victim was 'only a dog'. The article is neither a discussion on the N.E., the army or indeed anything except the cruelty meted out to an animal by an insensitive lout who deserves to be punished to the maximum both legally and socially. If you cannot see that, please do not waste my time and your own any further. --- On *Fri, 7/18/08, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Murder Most Foul - Pets To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 7:52 PM Dear Ms. Shukla, Thanks for you response. Frankly, I was not expecting any. It is surprising, that inspite of being a journalist, you still seem not to have got the message. That message is simple: (a) You make sweeping statements, indict whole sections of people. If still do not understand, go back and re-read what you wrote in the article regarding North Easterners regularly torturing and eating dogs. Probably meaning that they are uncouth, uneducated, unsophiticated and so on, and only someone like you will be able to teach them a thing or two? (b) You brag (and probably still do) about the fact that your Army husband used the Indian Army for personal use - combing the Naga countryside for your lost pet pooch, and of threatening the village headman of 'dire consequences'. This statement alone speaks volumes of how certain people still look down upon poorer and unfortunate sections of people. It is pure and simple condescension backed by some kind of power-trip. (c) You indicted, then seemed to have passed summary judgement and punishment on the Naga student. In your exburance to fight for animal rights cruelty (a noble cause), you seem to have promptly forgotten something very basic to a democracy, called Due Process. If this was a crime, as you vehemently indicate, then go to court, prove it, and let the courts decide on the punishment. Are you the judge, jury executioneer? (d) Lastly, the whole thing has
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KC, What someone like Shukla needs is people letting her know what she is. She is/was basically pretending to be a big time animal lover, and in that process is basically willing to go to extreme ends. Add to all that the sheer contempt she displays for otehrs of the community. Bottom line is she needs to apologize in the same media. Ram da On 7/18/08, Krishnendu Chakraborty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ram-da, I am still awaiting a response from her (lucky you :) ) What I find amazing is her logic --- what was said and is still maintained is that North Eastern students into which category Naga students fall -- have killed JNU campus dogs IF she think that she can say a sweeping statement like Students of NE just because Nagaland is in NE, she should logicaly say students of India because Nagaland is in India !! And if she thinks eating any animal is uncivilized, she should first condemn her own community (I assume she is Punjabi) which is arguably the largest meat eating community in India. Again Ms. Shukla, Go back a re-read your article. If you are unable and still cannot see the light, maybe other netters and others from the NE canpin point these again to you. I am again copying this to Assam net. There are many people from the NE at Delhi and other places who find your article reprehensible - so it is NOT JUST ME. People still await a sincere apology from you, Ms. Shukla. Do the right thing. Sincerely once again with best wishes. Ram Sarangapani Texas, USA On 7/18/08, ambika shukla ambikashukla at yahoo.com wrote: Please do not use this correspondence to establish yourself as some kind of champion of the North Eastern 'underdog'. Try and find a more worthwhile windmill. Nobody made any 'sweeping statements' , what was said and is still maintained is that North Eastern students into which category Naga students fall -- have killed JNU campus dogs in the past and there are specific instances to prove this. The intention is not to indict all N.E students but definitely those guilty of this crime. As far as eating dogs being uncouth and uncivilised , yes, it is as is eating any animal which I have repeated several times in my column. Instead of looking at this in such a narrow partisan fashion, open up your heart and mind. The issue here is about atrocities against those weaker than oneself-- whether the victim is human or animal is irrelevant and largely a matter of opportunity. For it is the same people who would torture a dog who would hit a woman or bully a child. As for due process , that is what is being asked for. The University and police must not try and cover up a crime simply because the victim was 'only a dog'. The article is neither a discussion on the N.E., the army or indeed anything except the cruelty meted out to an animal by an insensitive lout who deserves to be punished to the maximum both legally and socially. If you cannot see that, please do not waste my time and your own any further. --- On *Fri, 7/18/08, Ram Sarangapani assamrs at gmail.com* wrote: From: Ram Sarangapani assamrs at gmail.com Subject: Re: Murder Most Foul - Pets To: ambikashukla at yahoo.com Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 7:52 PM Dear Ms. Shukla, Thanks for you response. Frankly, I was not expecting any. It is surprising, that inspite of being a journalist, you still seem not to have got the message. That message is simple: (a) You make sweeping statements, indict whole sections of people. If still do not understand, go back and re-read what you wrote in the article regarding North Easterners regularly torturing and eating dogs. Probably meaning that they are uncouth, uneducated, unsophiticated and so on, and only someone like you will be able to teach them a thing or two? (b) You brag (and probably still do) about the fact that your Army husband used the Indian Army for personal use - combing the Naga countryside for your lost pet pooch, and of threatening the village headman of 'dire consequences'. This statement alone speaks volumes of how certain people still look down upon poorer and unfortunate sections of people. It is pure and simple condescension backed by some kind of power-trip. (c) You indicted, then seemed to have passed summary judgement and punishment on the Naga student. In your exburance to fight for animal rights cruelty (a noble cause), you seem to have promptly forgotten something very basic to a democracy, called Due Process. If this was a crime, as you vehemently indicate, then go to court, prove it, and let the courts decide on the punishment. Are you the judge, jury executioneer? (d) Lastly, the whole thing has more to do with your 'holier than thou' attitude and your disregard for people from the NE, than the incident
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I sent the following note also to Ms. Shukla and the rest of the recipients. cm You all can see the posts in assamnet regarding Ms. Shukla's article at: http://assamnet.org/pipermail/assam_assamnet.org But you won't be able to post to the list unless you sign in as a member. If any of you wish to have a response posted to this list but do not want to become a member, please feel free to send it/them to me and I will be delighted it to post it/them to assamnet. Best. cm Dear Ms. Shukla, Thanks much for the reply. It is intellectually deceitful though woefully common to attempt to defend a crime by deflecting attention to other entirely unrelated issues. *** It indeed could be. Except that in this instance, what I cited was not in an attempt to deflect attention away from your peeves but are entirely relevant issues. Allow me to explain. Would it be reasonable for me to surmise that the entire idea behind your piece in the Deccan Chronicle ( my apologies for calling it the Deccan Herald earlier) was: A: To seek JUSTICE for that dog, no ordinary mongrel, but JNU Campus born and raised and everybody's pet, the ripe old (8 years, 56 in human years) Kali, supposedly 'lynched and barbecued' by Mr. Oronso and his two other Naga accomplices ( I do pity their taste of meat), but denied by the establishment of JNU, ostensibly on grounds of political correctness ? B: To bring attention to the savagery of the 'Northeasterners' at JNU who routinely 'lynch and barbecue' its dogs, as they supposedly did to that poor old Kali's mother, Leela too ? It was all about justice; about civilized behavior; about kindness, at least to to dumb animals if not toward other humans; about crime and punishment; about social responsibilities. If it were so, how do YOU fare in your article on each count above Ms. Shukla? Have you taken a moment to ponder about that? Would you care to tell this 'Northeasterner' and others in assamnet and to all of us such savages in or from this mythical land you and other clueless Indians refer to as that 'Northeast' (--- Northeast of What)? My acerbic note was to point exactly that out to assamnetters and those other recipients of the note, including the Deccan Chronicle, whose editors too were as clueless as you were. From the responses I saw in assamnet, I can tell this savage lot do GET IT. But obviously you did not. I am not the least bit surprised however. Because I have been observing Indian intelligentsia's clue-less-ness about the democratic ethos. It is all too abundantly clear to Nagas, Assamese, Mizos, Meiteis, Khasis, Boros, Garos, Jayantias, Karbis, Misings, Adis, Monpas and dozens of other such indigenous peoples, who call this land you refer to as your 'Northeast' home and have cultures, religions, histories and aspirations just like yours; except that people such as yourself are not only not willing to respect them but are actively participating in denying them while fervently seeking it for the ostensibly 'barbecued' dogs Kali and Leela. You ma'am, only made that even more clear with your piece in the Deccan Chronicle. And you don't get it. That is the shame of it all. Sincerely yours, Chandan Mahanta St. Louis, USA PS: I will be very pleased to explain each point, if you REALLY don't get it. And I promise not to be sarcastic again. Just let me know. At 6:02 AM -0700 7/18/08, ambika shukla wrote: It is intellectually deceitful though woefully common to attempt to defend a crime by deflecting attention to other entirely unrelated issues. The article was not about the army's role in Nagaland , though one can engage on that issue separately, and perhaps even on the same side. Yoronso did not just kill a dog -- though that is bad enough-- he tortured an animal to death. Not only is what he did illegal , it is also morally reprehensible. It cannot be defended as tradition or custom. He is as much a danger to his own kind as he is to others. It is perverted minds with a taste for cruelty that are a threat to society as a whole. This is why Nagas and other North Eastern Indians must join with all Indians in demanding punishment for one who brings shame not only to himself but to his community , race and species. No human can and should condone barbarity. --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED
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Dear Ms.Ambika Shukla, Hearty thanks that your own statements are going to land your own husband the proud Army oficer in heavy trouble now. 1. Being an Indian Army officer, he is involved in torturing people of troubled NE for a dog.He is not posted there to do so nor the Army have the order for it.He has to work under the law of the land- Govt of Nagaland.A democratic Govt very well exist there. 2. You being a wife of Army officer,member of AWWA, is fuelling anti NORTH EAST propaganda under the shelter of JOURNALISM.You are hereby treating North East people as non Indian !!(??) 3. You dnt carry good image to the NE people, its culture and traditions.And so is your Army officer husband, who enjoys royal status at the mercy of Govt of India. 4. Being a journalist or wife of an Army oficer, you dont have sense to address a well organised educated group of people.Your mails and writings say so.You are adamant to go against the people of north east at the best cost.You are insulting NE people living out of the country.Its highly untolerable and I strongly condemn your dirty attires. However, now I would like to request Honourable Chief of Army staff General Deepak Kapoor as well supreme comander of the Armed Forces, Her majesty honourable President of India, to conduct a summary of evidence against your husband for the dirty act committed with the power of Armed forces special powers act(Mis-used), you being wife of him mis- briefing husband to give maximum trouble to the people of NE region with the help of Army uniform to create anti Indian feeling,you being a so called infamous journalist, trying to become famous through such anti sentimental publications,showing dis honesty to the Indian democracy, so to have court martialed and imprisoned him inside the Naga prisons. Govt of India is now fully geared up against such activity by officers of the armed forces and now Major Gen is also sleeping inside jails in various parts of the country leaving their maharaja life styles. this is last mail to you and soon you will be happy to find orders from Sena Bhavan as well Rastrapati Bhavan. God save you now. Jai Hind ! NB- I am well versed with the Armed Forces act/law/regulations. Hope law has its own way of dealing.Shame to say your are the wife of an army oficer of India and shame that your husband is worst to be said to be an officer. Dr.Bikash Kumar Das Founder Director Rhino Jungle Adventures Karnataka, North East India. Bangalore( India) 0091-9480618880 www.rjadventures.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- On Fri, 18/7/08, ambika shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ambika shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [Assam] Fwd: Murder Most Foul - Pets To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, 18 July, 2008, 6:55 PM I am relieved that there are so many people in the N.E like yourself who equally condemn cruelty to animals. Yoronso did not just kill a dog -- though that is bad enough-- he tortured an animal to death. Not only is what he did illegal , it is also morally reprehensible. It cannot be defended as tradition or custom. He is as much a danger to his own kind as he is to others. It is perverted minds with a taste for cruelty that are a threat to society as a whole. This is why Nagas and other North Eastern Indians must join with all Indians in demanding punishment for one who brings shame not only to himself but to his community , race, country and species. No human can or should condone barbarity. xx [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: Re: [Assam] Fwd: Murder Most Foul - Pets To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Assamnet assam@assamnet.org Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 5:00 PM Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/ ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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Hi all we may perhaps make a case and lodge a complaint with mr. M S Aiyar, minister Development Of North Eastern Region to take up with appropriate army authorities through the minister's office:- 1. for putting north easterners in bad light 2. for misusing army uniform for own benefit to threaten for alleged unproven allegation 3. to stop such nonsensical misadventures in futures.. can anyone take up the cudgel. given are the email ids of mr Vanlalvawna B [EMAIL PROTECTED], his dynamic PS, an IFS officer and a mizo..and Mr. Mani Shankar Aiyar [EMAIL PROTECTED],.. I have not been following the story properly to make the case.. regards -mkd On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 9:43 PM, DR BIKASH KUMAR DAS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Ms.Ambika Shukla, Hearty thanks that your own statements are going to land your own husband the proud Army oficer in heavy trouble now. 1. Being an Indian Army officer, he is involved in torturing people of troubled NE for a dog.He is not posted there to do so nor the Army have the order for it.He has to work under the law of the land- Govt of Nagaland.A democratic Govt very well exist there. 2. You being a wife of Army officer,member of AWWA, is fuelling anti NORTH EAST propaganda under the shelter of JOURNALISM.You are hereby treating North East people as non Indian !!(??) 3. You dnt carry good image to the NE people, its culture and traditions.And so is your Army officer husband, who enjoys royal status at the mercy of Govt of India. 4. Being a journalist or wife of an Army oficer, you dont have sense to address a well organised educated group of people.Your mails and writings say so.You are adamant to go against the people of north east at the best cost.You are insulting NE people living out of the country.Its highly untolerable and I strongly condemn your dirty attires. However, now I would like to request Honourable Chief of Army staff General Deepak Kapoor as well supreme comander of the Armed Forces, Her majesty honourable President of India, to conduct a summary of evidence against your husband for the dirty act committed with the power of Armed forces special powers act(Mis-used), you being wife of him mis- briefing husband to give maximum trouble to the people of NE region with the help of Army uniform to create anti Indian feeling,you being a so called infamous journalist, trying to become famous through such anti sentimental publications,showing dis honesty to the Indian democracy, so to have court martialed and imprisoned him inside the Naga prisons. Govt of India is now fully geared up against such activity by officers of the armed forces and now Major Gen is also sleeping inside jails in various parts of the country leaving their maharaja life styles. this is last mail to you and soon you will be happy to find orders from Sena Bhavan as well Rastrapati Bhavan. God save you now. Jai Hind ! NB- I am well versed with the Armed Forces act/law/regulations. Hope law has its own way of dealing.Shame to say your are the wife of an army oficer of India and shame that your husband is worst to be said to be an officer. Dr.Bikash Kumar Das Founder Director Rhino Jungle Adventures Karnataka, North East India. Bangalore( India) 0091-9480618880 www.rjadventures.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- On Fri, 18/7/08, ambika shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ambika shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [Assam] Fwd: Murder Most Foul - Pets To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, 18 July, 2008, 6:55 PM I am relieved that there are so many people in the N.E like yourself who equally condemn cruelty to animals. Yoronso did not just kill a dog -- though that is bad enough-- he tortured an animal to death. Not only is what he did illegal , it is also morally reprehensible. It cannot be defended as tradition or custom. He is as much a danger to his own kind as he is to others. It is perverted minds with a taste for cruelty that are a threat to society as a whole. This is why Nagas and other North Eastern Indians must join with all Indians in demanding punishment for one who brings shame not only to himself but to his community , race, country and species. No human can or should condone barbarity. xx [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: Re: [Assam] Fwd: Murder Most Foul - Pets To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Assamnet assam@assamnet.org Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 5:00 PM Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/ ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul - Pets ( URGENT PLS)
Friends, I would love to have the details of Ambika's Army officer husband's Name,Rank,Unit/Location to file official complaint to the chief of Army Staff Gen.Deepak Kapoor, Supreme comander of the armed forces her excellence President of India, to initiate summary of evidence ( the first state of GCM- General Court Martial) to go for GCM by the Army HQ(Sena Bhavan)New Delhi for his mis-use of army officer role in the north east and ill treating people of NE, torturing people for his dog, Taking law in his hand defying law of the land,His wife writing against people of NE, NRI's openly with dire consequences, in the cover of Indian journalism sitting at Delhi. I know India dnt need such oficers, they are to be jailed by RI in the naga jails only at the max and to be court martialed there only( HQ.No.3 Corps Dimapur). Anyone could help to to have the informations. I am also adamant to teach a good lession to her and him.No more mercy now.I can do this.Already because of my initiative one Maj Gen had taugh time while he was shown in TV for mis use of uniform for an ad. Bikash Kumar Das. Bangalore 09480618880 From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/citygroups/ ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul - Pets
Friends here is my best reply to Ambika. Bikash --- On Fri, 18/7/08, DR BIKASH KUMAR DAS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: DR BIKASH KUMAR DAS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Murder Most Foul - Pets To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Assamnet assam@assamnet.org Date: Friday, 18 July, 2008, 9:43 PM Dear Ms.Ambika Shukla, Hearty thanks that your own statements are going to land your own husband the proud Army oficer in heavy trouble now. 1. Being an Indian Army officer, he is involved in torturing people of troubled NE for a dog.He is not posted there to do so nor the Army have the order for it.He has to work under the law of the land- Govt of Nagaland.A democratic Govt very well exist there. 2. You being a wife of Army officer,member of AWWA, is fuelling anti NORTH EAST propaganda under the shelter of JOURNALISM.You are hereby treating North East people as non Indian !!(??) 3. You dnt carry good image to the NE people, its culture and traditions.And so is your Army officer husband, who enjoys royal status at the mercy of Govt of India. 4. Being a journalist or wife of an Army oficer, you dont have sense to address a well organised educated group of people.Your mails and writings say so.You are adamant to go against the people of north east at the best cost.You are insulting NE people living out of the country.Its highly untolerable and I strongly condemn your dirty attires. However, now I would like to request Honourable Chief of Army staff General Deepak Kapoor as well supreme comander of the Armed Forces, Her majesty honourable President of India, to conduct a summary of evidence against your husband for the dirty act committed with the power of Armed forces special powers act(Mis-used), you being wife of him mis- briefing husband to give maximum trouble to the people of NE region with the help of Army uniform to create anti Indian feeling,you being a so called infamous journalist, trying to become famous through such anti sentimental publications,showing dis honesty to the Indian democracy, so to have court martialed and imprisoned him inside the Naga prisons. Govt of India is now fully geared up against such activity by officers of the armed forces and now Major Gen is also sleeping inside jails in various parts of the country leaving their maharaja life styles. this is last mail to you and soon you will be happy to find orders from Sena Bhavan as well Rastrapati Bhavan. God save you now. Jai Hind ! NB- I am well versed with the Armed Forces act/law/regulations. Hope law has its own way of dealing.Shame to say your are the wife of an army oficer of India and shame that your husband is worst to be said to be an officer. Dr.Bikash Kumar Das Founder Director Rhino Jungle Adventures Karnataka, North East India. Bangalore( India) 0091-9480618880 www.rjadventures.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- On Fri, 18/7/08, ambika shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: ambika shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [Assam] Fwd: Murder Most Foul - Pets To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, 18 July, 2008, 6:55 PM I am relieved that there are so many people in the N.E like yourself who equally condemn cruelty to animals. Yoronso did not just kill a dog -- though that is bad enough-- he tortured an animal to death. Not only is what he did illegal , it is also morally reprehensible. It cannot be defended as tradition or custom. He is as much a danger to his own kind as he is to others. It is perverted minds with a taste for cruelty that are a threat to society as a whole. This is why Nagas and other North Eastern Indians must join with all Indians in demanding punishment for one who brings shame not only to himself but to his community , race, country and species. No human can or should condone barbarity. xx [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: Re: [Assam] Fwd: Murder Most Foul - Pets To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Assamnet assam@assamnet.org Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 5:00 PM Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. Go to http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php/ ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul - Pets ( URGENT PLS)
Good initiative!! Bikash-da. Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://harvardscience.harvard.edu/ http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ --- On Fri, 18/7/08, DR BIKASH KUMAR DAS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: DR BIKASH KUMAR DAS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul - Pets ( URGENT PLS) To: Assamnet assam@assamnet.org Date: Friday, 18 July, 2008, 12:29 PM Friends, I would love to have the details of Ambika's Army officer husband's Name,Rank,Unit/Location to file official complaint to the chief of Army Staff Gen.Deepak Kapoor, Supreme comander of the armed forces her excellence President of India, to initiate summary of evidence ( the first state of GCM- General Court Martial) to go for GCM by the Army HQ(Sena Bhavan)New Delhi for his mis-use of army officer role in the north east and ill treating people of NE, torturing people for his dog, Taking law in his hand defying law of the land,His wife writing against people of NE, NRI's openly with dire consequences, in the cover of Indian journalism sitting at Delhi. I know India dnt need such oficers, they are to be jailed by RI in the naga jails only at the max and to be court martialed there only( HQ.No.3 Corps Dimapur). Anyone could help to to have the informations. I am also adamant to teach a good lession to her and him.No more mercy now.I can do this.Already because of my initiative one Maj Gen had taugh time while he was shown in TV for mis use of uniform for an ad. Bikash Kumar Das. Bangalore 09480618880 From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/citygroups/ ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul
Hi all The foot habit of the north-eastern people has always been a matter of mockery by the 'mainland Indians' without realizing that no matter how much we are uncomfortable with their foot habits, we never complain. The north-eastern people eating dog- meat is also an object of mockery. Yet even the Koreans are eating dogs. So what's the harm? I am not trying to justify our food habit because they are also eaten by the South-east Asians or the Koreans. I am just trying to show these are the foods which are considered as delicacies for certain group of Human being and it does not necessarily mean that other people have to make fun of it just because it is not their food. As it turns out, the mainland Indians when they come across the food of south-east Asian countries which are also the food of north-eastern people, they find it exotic because it is from foreign countries. But if they are told that the food is from north-east, then they simply detest it even without getting to see what it is. They have the perception that since we are known as Indians, we should not be different from them. We have to eat what they eat, we have to behave like they do, and we have to dress like they dress and so on. Eating Murga or Bakri is good but eating dog is bad? Hi Ms. Shukla! your another neighbour Pradip Datta --- On Fri, 7/18/08, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 8:24 PM Dear Ms. Shukla, Thanks much for the reply. It is intellectually deceitful though woefully common to attempt to defend a crime by deflecting attention to other entirely unrelated issues. *** It indeed could be. Except that in this instance, what I cited was not in an attempt to deflect attention away from your peeves but are entirely relevant issues. Allow me to explain. Would it be reasonable for me to surmise that the entire idea behind your piece in the Deccan Chronicle ( my apologies for calling it the Deccan Herald earlier) was: A: To seek JUSTICE for that dog, no ordinary mongrel, but JNU Campus born and raised and everybody's pet, the ripe old (8 years, 56 in human years) Kali, supposedly 'lynched and barbecued' by Mr. Oronso and his two other Naga accomplices ( I do pity their taste of meat), but denied by the establishment of JNU, ostensibly on grounds of political correctness ? B: To bring attention to the savagery of the 'Northeasterners' at JNU who routinely 'lynch and barbecue' its dogs, as they supposedly did to that poor old Kali's mother, Leela too ? It was all about justice; about civilized behavior; about kindness, at least to to dumb animals if not toward other humans; about crime and punishment; about social responsibilities. If it were so, how do YOU fare in your article on each count above Ms. Shukla? Have you taken a moment to ponder about that? Would you care to tell this 'Northeasterner' and others in assamnet and to all of us such savages in or from this mythical land you and other clueless Indians refer to as that 'Northeast' (--- Northeast of What)? My acerbic note was to point exactly that out to assamnetters and those other recipients of the note, including the Deccan Chronicle, whose editors too were as clueless as you were. From the responses I saw in assamnet, I can tell this savage lot do GET IT. But obviously you did not. I am not the least bit surprised however. Because I have been observing Indian intelligentsia's clue-less-ness about the democratic ethos. It is all too abundantly clear to Nagas, Assamese, Mizos, Meiteis, Khasis, Boros, Garos, Jayantias, Karbis, Misings, Adis, Monpas and dozens of other such indigenous peoples, who call this land you refer to as your 'Northeast' home and have cultures, religions, histories and aspirations just like yours; except that people such as yourself are not only not willing to respect them but are actively participating in denying them while fervently seeking it for the ostensibly 'barbecued' dogs Kali and Leela. You ma'am, only made that even more clear with your piece in the Deccan Chronicle. And you don't get it. That is the shame of it all. Sincerely yours, Chandan Mahanta St. Louis, USA PS: I will be very pleased to explain each point, if you REALLY don't get it. And I promise not to be sarcastic again. Just let me know. At 6:02 AM -0700 7/18/08, ambika shukla wrote: It is intellectually deceitful though woefully common
Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul
Hi all The foot habit of the north-eastern people has always been a matter of mockery by the 'mainland Indians' without realizing that no matter how much we are uncomfortable with their foot habits, we never complain. The north-eastern people eating dog- meat is also an object of mockery. Yet even the Koreans are eating dogs. So what's the harm? I am not trying to justify our food habit because they are also eaten by the South-east Asians or the Koreans. I am just trying to show these are the foods which are considered as delicacies for certain group of Human being and it does not necessarily mean that other people have to make fun of it just because it is not their food. As it turns out, the mainland Indians when they come across the food of south-east Asian countries which are also the food of north-eastern people, they find it exotic because it is from foreign countries. But if they are told that the food is from north-east, then they simply detest it even without getting to see what it is. They have the perception that since we are known as Indians, we should not be different from them. We have to eat what they eat, we have to behave like they do, and we have to dress like they dress and so on. Eating Murga or Bakri is good but eating dog is bad? Hi Ms. Shukla! your another neighbour Pradip Datta --- On Fri, 7/18/08, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 8:24 PM Dear Ms. Shukla, Thanks much for the reply. It is intellectually deceitful though woefully common to attempt to defend a crime by deflecting attention to other entirely unrelated issues. *** It indeed could be. Except that in this instance, what I cited was not in an attempt to deflect attention away from your peeves but are entirely relevant issues. Allow me to explain. Would it be reasonable for me to surmise that the entire idea behind your piece in the Deccan Chronicle ( my apologies for calling it the Deccan Herald earlier) was: A: To seek JUSTICE for that dog, no ordinary mongrel, but JNU Campus born and raised and everybody's pet, the ripe old (8 years, 56 in human years) Kali, supposedly 'lynched and barbecued' by Mr. Oronso and his two other Naga accomplices ( I do pity their taste of meat), but denied by the establishment of JNU, ostensibly on grounds of political correctness ? B: To bring attention to the savagery of the 'Northeasterners' at JNU who routinely 'lynch and barbecue' its dogs, as they supposedly did to that poor old Kali's mother, Leela too ? It was all about justice; about civilized behavior; about kindness, at least to to dumb animals if not toward other humans; about crime and punishment; about social responsibilities. If it were so, how do YOU fare in your article on each count above Ms. Shukla? Have you taken a moment to ponder about that? Would you care to tell this 'Northeasterner' and others in assamnet and to all of us such savages in or from this mythical land you and other clueless Indians refer to as that 'Northeast' (--- Northeast of What)? My acerbic note was to point exactly that out to assamnetters and those other recipients of the note, including the Deccan Chronicle, whose editors too were as clueless as you were. From the responses I saw in assamnet, I can tell this savage lot do GET IT. But obviously you did not. I am not the least bit surprised however. Because I have been observing Indian intelligentsia's clue-less-ness about the democratic ethos. It is all too abundantly clear to Nagas, Assamese, Mizos, Meiteis, Khasis, Boros, Garos, Jayantias, Karbis, Misings, Adis, Monpas and dozens of other such indigenous peoples, who call this land you refer to as your 'Northeast' home and have cultures, religions, histories and aspirations just like yours; except that people such as yourself are not only not willing to respect them but are actively participating in denying them while fervently seeking it for the ostensibly 'barbecued' dogs Kali and Leela. You ma'am, only made that even more clear with your piece in the Deccan Chronicle. And you don't get it. That is the shame of it all. Sincerely yours, Chandan Mahanta St. Louis, USA PS: I will be very pleased to explain each point, if you REALLY don't get it. And I promise not to be sarcastic again. Just let me know. At 6:02 AM -0700 7/18/08, ambika shukla wrote: It is intellectually deceitful though woefully common
Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul
Friends, My request to you all, to kindly email me all the protests/communications that was sent to Ambika/received from her in original as attachment to me in private mail. These need be sent to Sena Bhavan for further investigations.I would like to have the original/scanned copy of Deccan Chronicle issue from Hyd.Hope our hyderabadi friend could email me in private here.Furtehr communications in this regards be made to me in private only please.The informations will be highly confidential as same will be produced before Army General. Kindly provide all informations to me at the earliest.I will not edit anything.Will get prints as sent.So only mail me the sent letters/received mails.The data of the Army officer is more important. Lets do the best kick. Bikash Dr.Bikash Kumar Das Founder Director Rhino Jungle Adventures Karnataka, North East India. Bangalore( India) 0091-9480618880 www.rjadventures.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bring your gang together. Do your thing. Find your favourite Yahoo! group at http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/ ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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Hi BK I have already put all correspondence with her on Assam net. It is there for everyone. Thanks R On 7/18/08, DR BIKASH KUMAR DAS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friends, My request to you all, to kindly email me all the protests/communications that was sent to Ambika/received from her in original as attachment to me in private mail. These need be sent to Sena Bhavan for further investigations.I would like to have the original/scanned copy of Deccan Chronicle issue from Hyd.Hope our hyderabadi friend could email me in private here.Furtehr communications in this regards be made to me in private only please.The informations will be highly confidential as same will be produced before Army General. Kindly provide all informations to me at the earliest.I will not edit anything.Will get prints as sent.So only mail me the sent letters/received mails.The data of the Army officer is more important. Lets do the best kick. Bikash Dr.Bikash Kumar Das Founder Director Rhino Jungle Adventures Karnataka, North East India. Bangalore( India) 0091-9480618880 www.rjadventures.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bring your gang together. Do your thing. Find your favourite Yahoo! group at http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/ ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul
Ram dada, Thanks. I will do for you. meanwhile since Ambika disclosed about her army lifes dadagiri in the NE with dire consequences, I would like to add for more Mishra jees dadagiri and the dead end in the NE. Here is the live story- I was at Air force Stn.Dinjan adjoining to Panitola near Tinsukia from April 1996-98. during 1997, one Army Major was brought in dead to the DAH( dinjan Army Hospital). he was shown as died due to encounter.But no sign of gun shots.His private organ was mising, cut, body was chopped badly.. The sepoys and the 4 escorts admitted that in fact they was coming from Tirap area of Arunachal and at the high altitude, the crazy Ambikas husband like major was teasing village women taking bath openly in the river side.While he advances, she tried to scream and the villagers attacked with Dao.As they cant fire, all sepoys ran away.As a result oof brutality, they did chopped his private organ and later chopped him to and told the seopys to carry the dead.On the ground it was shown ambush death !!! So his family gets the huge money. There are lot many stories in true- we know.Lot many dies like dogs.But how come ambikas husband came alive.. I wonder.Is he still there?? or still dreaming to be General of Indian Army or Governor of Assam/Arunachal or Nagaland. During operation Bajrang in 1995, one young NDA (national Defence Academy) Capt from Maharastra used to do lot many dadagiri on assamese youth in my Mangaldai area.Any assamese travells by bus will be brought down and he will as k the driver to go away.Then his torture starts.Making them to stand on one leg looking at the sun and insulting assamese etc.Once it happened in front of my eye between Dalgaon area near Mangaldai.I told him not to do such inhumanic things for all.His one sepoy told me that Sahab does for all like that, even they too hate it.I told, God is there.He smiled at me in bad look( Since I was in service at Hyderabad at that time). 3 days later I could hear that he was shot point blank for his such anti assamese mentalities.Who killed was not known.Blame gone to ULFA.. as usual. While in the south even the General got no guts to talk to one ordinary civilian.They are bound by law of the land. in NE- they are the God!! Bikash --- On Sat, 19/7/08, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get an email ID as [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Click here http://in.promos.yahoo.com/address ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul
The protest letter has to be sent also to other newspapers. Before we start action against a certain news paper or Ms. Shukla, pls do a Google search using the key Yoronso and find out how many news papers have already carried this and the original story posted by the students. See also Horrific murder of the street dog in Delhi and petition to he Commissioner of Police, New Delhi Chancellor JNU. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/horrific-murder-of-the-street-dog-in-delhi Dada -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens DR BIKASH KUMAR DAS Verzonden: vrijdag 18 juli 2008 21:10 Aan: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world; Ram Sarangapani Onderwerp: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul Ram dada, Thanks. I will do for you. meanwhile since Ambika disclosed about her army lifes dadagiri in the NE with dire consequences, I would like to add for more Mishra jees dadagiri and the dead end in the NE. Here is the live story- I was at Air force Stn.Dinjan adjoining to Panitola near Tinsukia from April 1996-98. during 1997, one Army Major was brought in dead to the DAH( dinjan Army Hospital). he was shown as died due to encounter.But no sign of gun shots.His private organ was mising, cut, body was chopped badly.. The sepoys and the 4 escorts admitted that in fact they was coming from Tirap area of Arunachal and at the high altitude, the crazy Ambikas husband like major was teasing village women taking bath openly in the river side.While he advances, she tried to scream and the villagers attacked with Dao.As they cant fire, all sepoys ran away.As a result oof brutality, they did chopped his private organ and later chopped him to and told the seopys to carry the dead.On the ground it was shown ambush death !!! So his family gets the huge money. There are lot many stories in true- we know.Lot many dies like dogs.But how come ambikas husband came alive.. I wonder.Is he still there?? or still dreaming to be General of Indian Army or Governor of Assam/Arunachal or Nagaland. During operation Bajrang in 1995, one young NDA (national Defence Academy) Capt from Maharastra used to do lot many dadagiri on assamese youth in my Mangaldai area.Any assamese travells by bus will be brought down and he will as k the driver to go away.Then his torture starts.Making them to stand on one leg looking at the sun and insulting assamese etc.Once it happened in front of my eye between Dalgaon area near Mangaldai.I told him not to do such inhumanic things for all.His one sepoy told me that Sahab does for all like that, even they too hate it.I told, God is there.He smiled at me in bad look( Since I was in service at Hyderabad at that time). 3 days later I could hear that he was shot point blank for his such anti assamese mentalities.Who killed was not known.Blame gone to ULFA.. as usual. While in the south even the General got no guts to talk to one ordinary civilian.They are bound by law of the land. in NE- they are the God!! Bikash --- On Sat, 19/7/08, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get an email ID as [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Click here http://in.promos.yahoo.com/address ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul - Pets
Dear Sir Thats wonderful. True facts put across beautifully. Ms Ambika hopefully responds to this with an apology. Regards Muktikam Phukan Deputy Director (NR) Petroleum Conservation Research Association Sanrakshan Bhawan,10, Bhikaiji Cama Place,New Delhi 110066 Ph: +91 11 26198856 Ext 385, Mob: +91 9818598565 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] , [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- On Tue, 15/7/08, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul - Pets To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.org Date: Tuesday, 15 July, 2008, 8:59 PM Dear Ms. Shukla, I was agast to read your article Murder most foul in the Deccan Chronicle (July 15, 2008). Yes, I was agast as to how the poor JNU's campus dog was bludgeoned to death, but I was more agast of your rather poor knowledge of, and condescension toward the North Eastern states of India. It maybe that you perhaps first need an object lesson in geography, possibly history of India (you know - get to know your country), and not in the least, a good lesson in humility. First of all, you ought to know that the North Eastern States comprises of many other states. In Assam, a North-Eastern State, for example, there are many vegitarians, as well as non-vegitarians, and the population is mostly Hindu. Manipur, another North-Eastern state, too is mostly Hindu. Dogs certainly are not on the menu. It is unfortunate, that you could not bring yourself to appreciate the beauty of the landscape of Nagaland. You probably did not find it in your heart to appreciate and study the culture, the language and customs of the good people of Nagaland. If I could suggest, you might want to try and read the volumes of good literature written by the British (many of the army) on the North-Eastern states during the Raj. You make some sweeping statements regarding the whole of the North East, when you declare, Apparently North-Eastern students at JNU regularly lynch and barbecue dogs. Really! Have you ever met or heard of any Assamese or Manipuri who eats dogs? I know, you may think 'they all look alike' and hence your condescension and then clubbing of all the 'natives' together. The fact, however, is the people in the North-Eastern states are as varied and different as other parts of the country, and so are their food habits. They come in different hues. That is what makes India unique, as the country comprises of all hues, shapes, forms, colors, religions, vegitarians, and non-vegitarians. And when you write After combing the area, my husband visited the Gaon Burha (village Pradhan) of the closest Naga settlement and spelt out all sorts of dire consequences if the dog did not return. Twenty minutes later, Bindu was safely home. Wow! isn't that something? Your husband showed them, didn't he? Your army husband brought down the full weight and force of the whole Indian army on the Gaon Burha and threatened the poor guy with dire consequences. One wonders, with all this condescension raining down on the poor chap, what those threats might have been? Beat up the natives? Burn down their silly hutments? Kill, rape and plunder their sordid villages? What? Ms. Shukla, what you and your husband may not know is that the Indian Army is NOT yours or your husband's personal army. The Army has a role, and hopefully that role does NOT consist of rescuing irish setters of some army officer. Your very tone suggests of condescension and of 'dealing with the natives'. At the very least you might want to get off that high horse and descend the mighty steps of Indraprastha. Just like many people, we too love our pets and would prefer that animals not be ill-treated. Your concern for the pet dogs of JNU is admirable. Every time we visit India, we often see animals either uncared for, or being ill-treated. All sorts of animals from domestic cows, and horses to mongrels are let loose and are not cared for. Therefore when you write about Nagas (and all of the North-East) eating dogs, one tends to think about all those other animals being eaten by non-vegitarians? How do you think vegitarians feel about the slaughtering of these animals and how they are slaughtered? How do you explain that away to hard-core vegitarians in India? How do you feel about the slaughter of goats and buffaloes in the name of animal sacrifice in many Kali and Durga Temples across India? Where really are your sensitivities? Do you protest as vehemently and with such venom? I would like you and your kind readers to also note this. The past so many years, there has been a tendency, specially in Delhi, to view young women from the North East as easy. There have been a number
Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul
Dear Saleh Sahib, Thanks for forwarding the information. IMHO, we have to act in unison and get one letter signed by all of us, send it to her and also to all the newspaper editors she writes in. Unless, strong simultaneous protests can be voiced from different places in India (including the NE States) and from NE residents overseas, this lady will get by without a scratch. She will just brush all this aside, and continue with her pompous self. --Ram On 7/18/08, W.Saleh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The protest letter has to be sent also to other newspapers. Before we start action against a certain news paper or Ms. Shukla, pls do a Google search using the key Yoronso and find out how many news papers have already carried this and the original story posted by the students. See also Horrific murder of the street dog in Delhi and petition to he Commissioner of Police, New Delhi Chancellor JNU. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/horrific-murder-of-the-street-dog-in-delhi Dada -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens DR BIKASH KUMAR DAS Verzonden: vrijdag 18 juli 2008 21:10 Aan: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world; Ram Sarangapani Onderwerp: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul Ram dada, Thanks. I will do for you. meanwhile since Ambika disclosed about her army lifes dadagiri in the NE with dire consequences, I would like to add for more Mishra jees dadagiri and the dead end in the NE. Here is the live story- I was at Air force Stn.Dinjan adjoining to Panitola near Tinsukia from April 1996-98. during 1997, one Army Major was brought in dead to the DAH( dinjan Army Hospital). he was shown as died due to encounter.But no sign of gun shots.His private organ was mising, cut, body was chopped badly.. The sepoys and the 4 escorts admitted that in fact they was coming from Tirap area of Arunachal and at the high altitude, the crazy Ambikas husband like major was teasing village women taking bath openly in the river side.While he advances, she tried to scream and the villagers attacked with Dao.As they cant fire, all sepoys ran away.As a result oof brutality, they did chopped his private organ and later chopped him to and told the seopys to carry the dead.On the ground it was shown ambush death !!! So his family gets the huge money. There are lot many stories in true- we know.Lot many dies like dogs.But how come ambikas husband came alive.. I wonder.Is he still there?? or still dreaming to be General of Indian Army or Governor of Assam/Arunachal or Nagaland. During operation Bajrang in 1995, one young NDA (national Defence Academy) Capt from Maharastra used to do lot many dadagiri on assamese youth in my Mangaldai area.Any assamese travells by bus will be brought down and he will as k the driver to go away.Then his torture starts.Making them to stand on one leg looking at the sun and insulting assamese etc.Once it happened in front of my eye between Dalgaon area near Mangaldai.I told him not to do such inhumanic things for all.His one sepoy told me that Sahab does for all like that, even they too hate it.I told, God is there.He smiled at me in bad look( Since I was in service at Hyderabad at that time). 3 days later I could hear that he was shot point blank for his such anti assamese mentalities.Who killed was not known.Blame gone to ULFA.. as usual. While in the south even the General got no guts to talk to one ordinary civilian.They are bound by law of the land. in NE- they are the God!! Bikash --- On Sat, 19/7/08, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get an email ID as [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Click here http://in.promos.yahoo.com/address ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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I forgot to add, any letter we write to her should be copied to all her friends - that is her base. On 7/18/08, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Saleh Sahib, Thanks for forwarding the information. IMHO, we have to act in unison and get one letter signed by all of us, send it to her and also to all the newspaper editors she writes in. Unless, strong simultaneous protests can be voiced from different places in India (including the NE States) and from NE residents overseas, this lady will get by without a scratch. She will just brush all this aside, and continue with her pompous self. --Ram On 7/18/08, W.Saleh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The protest letter has to be sent also to other newspapers. Before we start action against a certain news paper or Ms. Shukla, pls do a Google search using the key Yoronso and find out how many news papers have already carried this and the original story posted by the students. See also Horrific murder of the street dog in Delhi and petition to he Commissioner of Police, New Delhi Chancellor JNU. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/horrific-murder-of-the-street-dog-in-delhi Dada -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens DR BIKASH KUMAR DAS Verzonden: vrijdag 18 juli 2008 21:10 Aan: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world; Ram Sarangapani Onderwerp: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul Ram dada, Thanks. I will do for you. meanwhile since Ambika disclosed about her army lifes dadagiri in the NE with dire consequences, I would like to add for more Mishra jees dadagiri and the dead end in the NE. Here is the live story- I was at Air force Stn.Dinjan adjoining to Panitola near Tinsukia from April 1996-98. during 1997, one Army Major was brought in dead to the DAH( dinjan Army Hospital). he was shown as died due to encounter.But no sign of gun shots.His private organ was mising, cut, body was chopped badly.. The sepoys and the 4 escorts admitted that in fact they was coming from Tirap area of Arunachal and at the high altitude, the crazy Ambikas husband like major was teasing village women taking bath openly in the river side.While he advances, she tried to scream and the villagers attacked with Dao.As they cant fire, all sepoys ran away.As a result oof brutality, they did chopped his private organ and later chopped him to and told the seopys to carry the dead.On the ground it was shown ambush death !!! So his family gets the huge money. There are lot many stories in true- we know.Lot many dies like dogs.But how come ambikas husband came alive.. I wonder.Is he still there?? or still dreaming to be General of Indian Army or Governor of Assam/Arunachal or Nagaland. During operation Bajrang in 1995, one young NDA (national Defence Academy) Capt from Maharastra used to do lot many dadagiri on assamese youth in my Mangaldai area.Any assamese travells by bus will be brought down and he will as k the driver to go away.Then his torture starts.Making them to stand on one leg looking at the sun and insulting assamese etc.Once it happened in front of my eye between Dalgaon area near Mangaldai.I told him not to do such inhumanic things for all.His one sepoy told me that Sahab does for all like that, even they too hate it.I told, God is there.He smiled at me in bad look( Since I was in service at Hyderabad at that time). 3 days later I could hear that he was shot point blank for his such anti assamese mentalities.Who killed was not known.Blame gone to ULFA.. as usual. While in the south even the General got no guts to talk to one ordinary civilian.They are bound by law of the land. in NE- they are the God!! Bikash --- On Sat, 19/7/08, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get an email ID as [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Click here http://in.promos.yahoo.com/address ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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Dada, Lets create a online petition at http://www.thepetitionsite.com/create-online-petition and put the protest letter there. Since they r counting on number of signatures ( signature goal: 10,000).. why not use the same system to register our protest? With regards, Babul On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:29 AM, W.Saleh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The protest letter has to be sent also to other newspapers. Before we start action against a certain news paper or Ms. Shukla, pls do a Google search using the key Yoronso and find out how many news papers have already carried this and the original story posted by the students. See also Horrific murder of the street dog in Delhi and petition to he Commissioner of Police, New Delhi Chancellor JNU. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/horrific-murder-of-the-street-dog-in-delhi Dada -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens DR BIKASH KUMAR DAS Verzonden: vrijdag 18 juli 2008 21:10 Aan: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world; Ram Sarangapani Onderwerp: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul Ram dada, Thanks. I will do for you. meanwhile since Ambika disclosed about her army lifes dadagiri in the NE with dire consequences, I would like to add for more Mishra jees dadagiri and the dead end in the NE. Here is the live story- I was at Air force Stn.Dinjan adjoining to Panitola near Tinsukia from April 1996-98. during 1997, one Army Major was brought in dead to the DAH( dinjan Army Hospital). he was shown as died due to encounter.But no sign of gun shots.His private organ was mising, cut, body was chopped badly.. The sepoys and the 4 escorts admitted that in fact they was coming from Tirap area of Arunachal and at the high altitude, the crazy Ambikas husband like major was teasing village women taking bath openly in the river side.While he advances, she tried to scream and the villagers attacked with Dao.As they cant fire, all sepoys ran away.As a result oof brutality, they did chopped his private organ and later chopped him to and told the seopys to carry the dead.On the ground it was shown ambush death !!! So his family gets the huge money. There are lot many stories in true- we know.Lot many dies like dogs.But how come ambikas husband came alive.. I wonder.Is he still there?? or still dreaming to be General of Indian Army or Governor of Assam/Arunachal or Nagaland. During operation Bajrang in 1995, one young NDA (national Defence Academy) Capt from Maharastra used to do lot many dadagiri on assamese youth in my Mangaldai area.Any assamese travells by bus will be brought down and he will as k the driver to go away.Then his torture starts.Making them to stand on one leg looking at the sun and insulting assamese etc.Once it happened in front of my eye between Dalgaon area near Mangaldai.I told him not to do such inhumanic things for all.His one sepoy told me that Sahab does for all like that, even they too hate it.I told, God is there.He smiled at me in bad look( Since I was in service at Hyderabad at that time). 3 days later I could hear that he was shot point blank for his such anti assamese mentalities.Who killed was not known.Blame gone to ULFA.. as usual. While in the south even the General got no guts to talk to one ordinary civilian.They are bound by law of the land. in NE- they are the God!! Bikash --- On Sat, 19/7/08, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get an email ID as [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Click here http://in.promos.yahoo.com/address ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org -- Babul Gogoi i-50, Lajpat Nagar 1, New Delhi 110024 Tel: 011-29817150 / 9868182079 ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul
Dear Ambika; I have been reading your article and the correspondence. I think the questions boil down to these: Why Indians cannot behave like civilised people? Why some Indians think they are better than others? Why Indians have so much racial violance? Why Indians hate each other? Why Indians have so many castes and outcastes? Why Indians burn their brides? Why Indians practise Sattee? Why Indians kills animals in the name of religion? And why Indians eat dog meat? Rajen Barua Houston, Texas - Original Message - From: Phanindra Goyari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:39 AM Subject: [Assam] Murder Most Foul Following article appeared in Deccan Chronicle paper today. I also love dogs and other animals. But author's one sentence is not palatable for many north-eastern people:It says: Apparently North-Eastern students at JNU regularly lynch and barbecue dogs. I heard that many people in Nagaland state eat dog meat. Now North-Eastern (NE)India consists of eight states: Assam, Arunachal, Meghalaya, Manipur, Nagaland, Mizoram, Tripura and Sikkim. Except some people in Nagaland, people from other NE states do not eat dog meat. FYI, many people in NE India are vegetarians. Thus, it may be right to say that many students from Nagaland eat dog meat, but it is not right to say that whole north-eastern students kill dogs for meat. Ambika's above statement is hurting the sentiment of many people of north-easter region of India. Regards, Phanindra Hyderabad ** Murder Most Foul article by Ambika Shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] Murder Most Foul Pets One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. Given a free rein of the area, she would romp happily over hill and dales yet magically appear at one whistle or call. But one evening there was no familiar figure loping homeward in response to our frantic whistles and calls. After combing the area, my husband visited the Gaon Burha (village Pradhan) of the closest Naga settlement and spelt out all sorts of dire consequences if the dog did not return. Twenty minutes later, Bindu was safely home. An incident that occurred this week brings home the awful fate that Bindu so narrowly escaped. On the night of July 7, Yoronso, a 30-year-old Naga student at Delhi's prestigious Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) invited two pals over to his hostel room. Kali, a friendly eight-year-old campus dog (born and brought up there) happened to be sitting near the stairs. Using biscuits they lured her upstairs into Yoronso' s room (No 248 Kaveri Hostel) and bolted the door. Yoronso fed Kali some rice from the hostel mess and then tied up her mouth. The three then began to bludgeon the little creature with a cricket bat and curtain rods. After battering her for more than half-an-hour, Yoronso stuck a knife into the still conscious dog and began to cut her, even as she moaned and writhed in pain. Finally, they took a brick and smashed Kali's swollen, bleeding skull. The noise and blood seeping under the door attracted attention and a crowd of students and the warden began to bang on the door, forcing it open. Yoronso and his accomplices were caught red-handed - literally. Everyone was nauseated to find the battered remains of Kali and the cruelty that had been inflicted on the dog. Some students immediately summoned the police. But the warden, anxious to avoid any controversy, immediately planned a cover up by removing the body and the murder weapons. Students were warned not to make any statement to the police or press. When the police arrived, they conducted a cursory check; but neither made any arrests nor recorded the prima facie evidence. In fact, they would have done nothing had not one of the students called up activist Maneka Gandhi who immediately intervened and lodged an FIR. On learning that Gandhi had been informed; the warden issued a letter to Yoronso asking him to vacate his hostel accommodation. Yoronso is due to submit his Ph.D on July 21 and was already in the process of vacating his room prior to this event, so the Warden's action is surely an eyewash. Here is what the institution should do to punish such a crime and its perpetrators; firstly, Yoronso should be expelled and blacklisted from the school. The University should also refuse to accept Yoronso's Ph.D thesis, which his guide should also refuse to sign. The varsity must also revoke his Bachelor and Master's Degrees, and co-operate with the police to chargesheet and arrest all the three men. Instead, let's look at how JNU, this haloed learning
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Dear Sondon, I assume you have sent a copy of your reply to Mrs. Ambika Kaushik and Editor of the newspaper. Otherwise it will be a discussion amongst us. Greetings, WK -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Ram Sarangapani Verzonden: woensdag 16 juli 2008 5:32 Aan: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world Onderwerp: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul Excellent C'da. On 7/15/08, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amazing tale! And even more amazing is the state of Indian journalism and its 'democracy' . Allow me to introduce myself: I am an ethnic Assamese , living in the USA and an observer of Indian Institutions of democracy, its 'journalism' and the role of its intelligentsia ( or more precisely its absence from) in shaping them. The author opens up on Nagas with her military husband's terrorizing a Naga village head-man, that produced her missing Irish Setter in twenty minutes! Where did this military man get the power to terrorize the village? What was the cause? It was an Irish Setter, a pet dog, missing for less than twenty minutes. Imagine that! Imagine the state of due process, imagine the power of the occupation forces, imagine accountability of the military--the wife of a two bit two-bit military officer can brag about it in the national media, imagine the professionalism of the Indian army that its apologists never fail to wave at the world! Now let us look at the professionalism of the Deccan Herald, its journalistic ethics, its editorial responsibility and its role as a watchdog of democracy that chose to publish this gem of an article: The writer not only publicly accuses this man, the Naga PhD student , Yoronso, of a crime, but also convicts him and then recommends punishment. And the Deccan Herald goes right along with this prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner all neatly packed into one, in the perfect image of the Indian military's half century old occupation and terrorism in the northeastern states and publishes it. Why shouldn't it? The writer provided all the proof, didn't she? Of course the writer had all the proof she ever needed, right? Must have had a hidden video camera in the room to record all the gruesome details. Or could it have been confessions of the accused extracted by someone like her military husband ? They sure know how to get those confessions. Just ask the dead Ajit Mahanta of Kakopothar, Assam who was taken by the army from his wife and little baby, sodomized with bamboo poles causing massive internal injuries before beating him to death and then dumping the body on the roadside, merely on suspicion that he was an ULFA 'collaborator'. Did Ajit Mahanta get any justice? Of course, the commanding general apologized. What more can anyone ask? No wonder the Indian intelligentsia and its renowned journals never found it necessary to write expose's about such forgettable events. But a dog at JNU--that is different. A Naga killed it! And you expect its intelligentsia and its press to let it go with a wink and a nod? Not in desi-demokrasy! Apparently North-Eastern students at JNU regularly lynch and barbecue dogs. Kali's mother, Leela, was an earlier victim. The truth be told! These damn northeasterners! Them slant eyed, dog-eating, independence seeking sub-humans are a murderous lot! Rein them in, and not a moment too soon! And who better to educate the right-proper Indians about them than a military wife once posted in Nagaland? Don't even think of trying to muddy the picture by trying to tell them that there is no such race of people as northeasterners, or that there is political or geographical entity as the Northeast. , that it is a convenient creation of Indian intellectual sloth and colonial mind-set to avoid getting headaches of the headless by learning what makes them the savage lot it is! Disgustedly yours, Chandan Mahanta Murder Most Foul article by Ambika Shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] Murder Most Foul Pets One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. Given a free rein of the area, she would romp happily over hill and dales yet magically appear at one whistle or call. But one evening there was no familiar figure loping homeward in response to our frantic whistles and calls. After combing the area, my husband visited the Gaon Burha (village Pradhan) of the closest Naga settlement and spelt out all sorts of dire consequences if the dog did not return. Twenty minutes later, Bindu was safely home. An incident that occurred this week brings home the awful fate that Bindu so narrowly escaped
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I did WK. But that mail with the large no. of recipients got bounced from assamnet. That is why you did not see the cc list. However the chances of the Deccan Herald publishing it is slimmer than that of a snowball in Hell :-). s At 11:55 AM +0200 7/16/08, W.Saleh wrote: Dear Sondon, I assume you have sent a copy of your reply to Mrs. Ambika Kaushik and Editor of the newspaper. Otherwise it will be a discussion amongst us. Greetings, WK -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Ram Sarangapani Verzonden: woensdag 16 juli 2008 5:32 Aan: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world Onderwerp: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul Excellent C'da. On 7/15/08, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amazing tale! And even more amazing is the state of Indian journalism and its 'democracy' . Allow me to introduce myself: I am an ethnic Assamese , living in the USA and an observer of Indian Institutions of democracy, its 'journalism' and the role of its intelligentsia ( or more precisely its absence from) in shaping them. The author opens up on Nagas with her military husband's terrorizing a Naga village head-man, that produced her missing Irish Setter in twenty minutes! Where did this military man get the power to terrorize the village? What was the cause? It was an Irish Setter, a pet dog, missing for less than twenty minutes. Imagine that! Imagine the state of due process, imagine the power of the occupation forces, imagine accountability of the military--the wife of a two bit two-bit military officer can brag about it in the national media, imagine the professionalism of the Indian army that its apologists never fail to wave at the world! Now let us look at the professionalism of the Deccan Herald, its journalistic ethics, its editorial responsibility and its role as a watchdog of democracy that chose to publish this gem of an article: The writer not only publicly accuses this man, the Naga PhD student , Yoronso, of a crime, but also convicts him and then recommends punishment. And the Deccan Herald goes right along with this prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner all neatly packed into one, in the perfect image of the Indian military's half century old occupation and terrorism in the northeastern states and publishes it. Why shouldn't it? The writer provided all the proof, didn't she? Of course the writer had all the proof she ever needed, right? Must have had a hidden video camera in the room to record all the gruesome details. Or could it have been confessions of the accused extracted by someone like her military husband ? They sure know how to get those confessions. Just ask the dead Ajit Mahanta of Kakopothar, Assam who was taken by the army from his wife and little baby, sodomized with bamboo poles causing massive internal injuries before beating him to death and then dumping the body on the roadside, merely on suspicion that he was an ULFA 'collaborator'. Did Ajit Mahanta get any justice? Of course, the commanding general apologized. What more can anyone ask? No wonder the Indian intelligentsia and its renowned journals never found it necessary to write expose's about such forgettable events. But a dog at JNU--that is different. A Naga killed it! And you expect its intelligentsia and its press to let it go with a wink and a nod? Not in desi-demokrasy! Apparently North-Eastern students at JNU regularly lynch and barbecue dogs. Kali's mother, Leela, was an earlier victim. The truth be told! These damn northeasterners! Them slant eyed, dog-eating, independence seeking sub-humans are a murderous lot! Rein them in, and not a moment too soon! And who better to educate the right-proper Indians about them than a military wife once posted in Nagaland? Don't even think of trying to muddy the picture by trying to tell them that there is no such race of people as northeasterners, or that there is political or geographical entity as the Northeast. , that it is a convenient creation of Indian intellectual sloth and colonial mind-set to avoid getting headaches of the headless by learning what makes them the savage lot it is! Disgustedly yours, Chandan Mahanta Murder Most Foul article by Ambika Shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] Murder Most Foul Pets One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. Given a free rein of the area, she would romp happily over hill and dales yet magically appear at one whistle or call. But one evening there was no familiar figure loping homeward
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Amazing tale! And even more amazing is the state of Indian journalism and its 'democracy' . Allow me to introduce myself: I am an ethnic Assamese , living in the USA and an observer of Indian Institutions of democracy, its 'journalism' and the role of its intelligentsia ( or more precisely its absence from) in shaping them. The author opens up on Nagas with her military husband's terrorizing a Naga village head-man, that produced her missing Irish Setter in twenty minutes! Where did this military man get the power to terrorize the village? What was the cause? It was an Irish Setter, a pet dog, missing for less than twenty minutes. Imagine that! Imagine the state of due process, imagine the power of the occupation forces, imagine accountability of the military--the wife of a two bit two-bit military officer can brag about it in the national media, imagine the professionalism of the Indian army that its apologists never fail to wave at the world! Now let us look at the professionalism of the Deccan Herald, its journalistic ethics, its editorial responsibility and its role as a watchdog of democracy that chose to publish this gem of an article: The writer not only publicly accuses this man, the Naga PhD student , Yoronso, of a crime, but also convicts him and then recommends punishment. And the Deccan Herald goes right along with this prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner all neatly packed into one, in the perfect image of the Indian military's half century old occupation and terrorism in the northeastern states and publishes it. Why shouldn't it? The writer provided all the proof, didn't she? Of course the writer had all the proof she ever needed, right? Must have had a hidden video camera in the room to record all the gruesome details. Or could it have been confessions of the accused extracted by someone like her military husband ? They sure know how to get those confessions. Just ask the dead Ajit Mahanta of Kakopothar, Assam who was taken by the army from his wife and little baby, sodomized with bamboo poles causing massive internal injuries before beating him to death and then dumping the body on the roadside, merely on suspicion that he was an ULFA 'collaborator'. Did Ajit Mahanta get any justice? Of course, the commanding general apologized. What more can anyone ask? No wonder the Indian intelligentsia and its renowned journals never found it necessary to write expose's about such forgettable events. But a dog at JNU--that is different. A Naga killed it! And you expect its intelligentsia and its press to let it go with a wink and a nod? Not in desi-demokrasy! Apparently North-Eastern students at JNU regularly lynch and barbecue dogs. Kalis mother, Leela, was an earlier victim. The truth be told! These damn northeasterners! Them slant eyed, dog-eating, independence seeking sub-humans are a murderous lot! Rein them in, and not a moment too soon! And who better to educate the right-proper Indians about them than a military wife once posted in Nagaland? Don't even think of trying to muddy the picture by trying to tell them that there is no such race of people as northeasterners, or that there is political or geographical entity as the Northeast. , that it is a convenient creation of Indian intellectual sloth and colonial mind-set to avoid getting headaches of the headless by learning what makes them the savage lot it is! Disgustedly yours, Chandan Mahanta Murder Most Foul article by Ambika Shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] Murder Most Foul Pets One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. Given a free rein of the area, she would romp happily over hill and dales yet magically appear at one whistle or call. But one evening there was no familiar figure loping homeward in response to our frantic whistles and calls. After combing the area, my husband visited the Gaon Burha (village Pradhan) of the closest Naga settlement and spelt out all sorts of dire consequences if the dog did not return. Twenty minutes later, Bindu was safely home. An incident that occurred this week brings home the awful fate that Bindu so narrowly escaped. On the night of July 7, Yoronso, a 30-year-old Naga student at Delhis prestigious Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) invited two pals over to his hostel room. Kali, a friendly eight-year-old campus dog (born and brought up there) happened to be sitting near the stairs. Using biscuits they lured her upstairs into Yoronso s room (No 248 Kaveri Hostel) and bolted the door. Yoronso fed Kali some rice from the hostel mess and then tied up her mouth. The three then began to bludgeon the little creature with a cricket bat and curtain rods.
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Dear Ms. Shukla, I was agast to read your article Murder most foul in the Deccan Chronicle (July 15, 2008). Yes, I was agast as to how the poor JNU's campus dog was bludgeoned to death, but I was more agast of your rather poor knowledge of, and condescension toward the North Eastern states of India. It maybe that you perhaps first need an object lesson in geography, possibly history of India (you know - get to know your country), and not in the least, a good lesson in humility. First of all, you ought to know that the North Eastern States comprises of many other states. In Assam, a North-Eastern State, for example, there are many vegitarians, as well as non-vegitarians, and the population is mostly Hindu. Manipur, another North-Eastern state, too is mostly Hindu. Dogs certainly are not on the menu. It is unfortunate, that you could not bring yourself to appreciate the beauty of the landscape of Nagaland. You probably did not find it in your heart to appreciate and study the culture, the language and customs of the good people of Nagaland. If I could suggest, you might want to try and read the volumes of good literature written by the British (many of the army) on the North-Eastern states during the Raj. You make some sweeping statements regarding the whole of the North East, when you declare, Apparently North-Eastern students at JNU regularly lynch and barbecue dogs. Really! Have you ever met or heard of any Assamese or Manipuri who eats dogs? I know, you may think 'they all look alike' and hence your condescension and then clubbing of all the 'natives' together. The fact, however, is the people in the North-Eastern states are as varied and different as other parts of the country, and so are their food habits. They come in different hues. That is what makes India unique, as the country comprises of all hues, shapes, forms, colors, religions, vegitarians, and non-vegitarians. And when you write After combing the area, my husband visited the Gaon Burha (village Pradhan) of the closest Naga settlement and spelt out all sorts of dire consequences if the dog did not return. Twenty minutes later, Bindu was safely home. Wow! isn't that something? Your husband showed them, didn't he? Your army husband brought down the full weight and force of the whole Indian army on the Gaon Burha and threatened the poor guy with dire consequences. One wonders, with all this condescension raining down on the poor chap, what those threats might have been? Beat up the natives? Burn down their silly hutments? Kill, rape and plunder their sordid villages? What? Ms. Shukla, what you and your husband may not know is that the Indian Army is NOT yours or your husband's personal army. The Army has a role, and hopefully that role does NOT consist of rescuing irish setters of some army officer. Your very tone suggests of condescension and of 'dealing with the natives'. At the very least you might want to get off that high horse and descend the mighty steps of Indraprastha. Just like many people, we too love our pets and would prefer that animals not be ill-treated. Your concern for the pet dogs of JNU is admirable. Every time we visit India, we often see animals either uncared for, or being ill-treated. All sorts of animals from domestic cows, and horses to mongrels are let loose and are not cared for. Therefore when you write about Nagas (and all of the North-East) eating dogs, one tends to think about all those other animals being eaten by non-vegitarians? How do you think vegitarians feel about the slaughtering of these animals and how they are slaughtered? How do you explain that away to hard-core vegitarians in India? How do you feel about the slaughter of goats and buffaloes in the name of animal sacrifice in many Kali and Durga Temples across India? Where really are your sensitivities? Do you protest as vehemently and with such venom? I would like you and your kind readers to also note this. The past so many years, there has been a tendency, specially in Delhi, to view young women from the North East as easy. There have been a number of cases of rape and molestation of these women, and if I am not mistaken even at JNU. These cases were not so much because the victims were women, but more so because they belonged to the North-Eastern States. In fact, after one of these cases, a high-ranking police official in Delhi was quoted saying something like, These North-Eastern girls should dress properly - then these things would not happen. This is the same reason why women from the West are periodically molested and raped in Delhi and other places - they are though of as being easy and dressing provocativingly. Then there are pre-conceived notions held by sections of people in Delhi and other places that the North-Eastern states are foreign and their people from China or some other place - obviously because how some of them look. Add articles like yours to such pre-concieved notions and then imagine what the people of
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Dear Sir Thats wonderful. True facts put across beautifully. Ms Ambika hopefully responds to this with an apology. Regards Muktikam Phukan Deputy Director (NR) Petroleum Conservation Research Association Sanrakshan Bhawan,10, Bhikaiji Cama Place,New Delhi 110066 Ph: +91 11 26198856 Ext 385, Mob: +91 9818598565 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] , [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- On Tue, 15/7/08, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul - Pets To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.org Date: Tuesday, 15 July, 2008, 8:59 PM Dear Ms. Shukla, I was agast to read your article Murder most foul in the Deccan Chronicle (July 15, 2008). Yes, I was agast as to how the poor JNU's campus dog was bludgeoned to death, but I was more agast of your rather poor knowledge of, and condescension toward the North Eastern states of India. It maybe that you perhaps first need an object lesson in geography, possibly history of India (you know - get to know your country), and not in the least, a good lesson in humility. First of all, you ought to know that the North Eastern States comprises of many other states. In Assam, a North-Eastern State, for example, there are many vegitarians, as well as non-vegitarians, and the population is mostly Hindu. Manipur, another North-Eastern state, too is mostly Hindu. Dogs certainly are not on the menu. It is unfortunate, that you could not bring yourself to appreciate the beauty of the landscape of Nagaland. You probably did not find it in your heart to appreciate and study the culture, the language and customs of the good people of Nagaland. If I could suggest, you might want to try and read the volumes of good literature written by the British (many of the army) on the North-Eastern states during the Raj. You make some sweeping statements regarding the whole of the North East, when you declare, Apparently North-Eastern students at JNU regularly lynch and barbecue dogs. Really! Have you ever met or heard of any Assamese or Manipuri who eats dogs? I know, you may think 'they all look alike' and hence your condescension and then clubbing of all the 'natives' together. The fact, however, is the people in the North-Eastern states are as varied and different as other parts of the country, and so are their food habits. They come in different hues. That is what makes India unique, as the country comprises of all hues, shapes, forms, colors, religions, vegitarians, and non-vegitarians. And when you write After combing the area, my husband visited the Gaon Burha (village Pradhan) of the closest Naga settlement and spelt out all sorts of dire consequences if the dog did not return. Twenty minutes later, Bindu was safely home. Wow! isn't that something? Your husband showed them, didn't he? Your army husband brought down the full weight and force of the whole Indian army on the Gaon Burha and threatened the poor guy with dire consequences. One wonders, with all this condescension raining down on the poor chap, what those threats might have been? Beat up the natives? Burn down their silly hutments? Kill, rape and plunder their sordid villages? What? Ms. Shukla, what you and your husband may not know is that the Indian Army is NOT yours or your husband's personal army. The Army has a role, and hopefully that role does NOT consist of rescuing irish setters of some army officer. Your very tone suggests of condescension and of 'dealing with the natives'. At the very least you might want to get off that high horse and descend the mighty steps of Indraprastha. Just like many people, we too love our pets and would prefer that animals not be ill-treated. Your concern for the pet dogs of JNU is admirable. Every time we visit India, we often see animals either uncared for, or being ill-treated. All sorts of animals from domestic cows, and horses to mongrels are let loose and are not cared for. Therefore when you write about Nagas (and all of the North-East) eating dogs, one tends to think about all those other animals being eaten by non-vegitarians? How do you think vegitarians feel about the slaughtering of these animals and how they are slaughtered? How do you explain that away to hard-core vegitarians in India? How do you feel about the slaughter of goats and buffaloes in the name of animal sacrifice in many Kali and Durga Temples across India? Where really are your sensitivities? Do you protest as vehemently and with such venom? I would like you and your kind readers to also note this. The past so many years, there has been a tendency, specially in Delhi, to view young women from the North East as easy. There have been a number
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One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. The University should also refuse to accept Yoronso’s Ph.D thesis, which his guide should also refuse to sign. The varsity must also revoke his Bachelor and Master’s Degrees, and co-operate with the police to chargesheet and arrest all the three men. Apart from the shame of a top University colluding with criminals, even more shameful is that these so-called mastermind academics cannot even come up with a plausible cover-up! Demand action against the tormentors of a helpless, harmless young life. ..What an attitude! The attitude of the 'occupational forces'. The respectable Gao Burha was treated like a vermin. Comaparable with the occupational forces of Israel: the arab in their own land has to seek permission of the occupational army to grow vegetables or fruits for sustenance. The 'Irish' setter's [not a desi mongrel there] status is obviously higher than the lowly cur of a Gao Burha. Mr. Shukla should have tried that stuff in his own state with the village pramukh. Just look at her sense of retribution. Only because a dog is a food (as also in China where Beijing olympic is being staged) for a scholar, he should be arrested as a criminal! What about the rape perpetrated by the Indian Jawans in the north east? What about quarantining of the villages of the north east since 'independence' so that the old and feeble and the very young should die of starvation and mal- nutrition? What about the wanton killing of the innocent by the army in these areas? Are these not crimes? Has she ever made a whisper? No Mr. Goyari, we do not have to be apologetic about our food habit. If we eat a dog, so what? It is like eating vegetables, another form of life. We are not here to please the sensibilities of the likes of Mrs. Shukla here. Uttam Kumar Borthakur --- On Tue, 15/7/08, Phanindra Goyari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Phanindra Goyari [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Assam] Murder Most Foul To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.org Date: Tuesday, 15 July, 2008, 4:09 PM Following article appeared in Deccan Chronicle paper today. I also love dogs and other animals. But author's one sentence is not palatable for many north-eastern people:It says: Apparently North-Eastern students at JNU regularly lynch and barbecue dogs. I heard that many people in Nagaland state eat dog meat. Now North-Eastern (NE)India consists of eight states: Assam, Arunachal, Meghalaya, Manipur, Nagaland, Mizoram, Tripura and Sikkim. Except some people in Nagaland, people from other NE states do not eat dog meat. FYI, many people in NE India are vegetarians. Thus, it may be right to say that many students from Nagaland eat dog meat, but it is not right to say that whole north-eastern students kill dogs for meat. Ambika's above statement is hurting the sentiment of many people of north-easter region of India. Regards, Phanindra Hyderabad ** Murder Most Foul article by Ambika Shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] Murder Most Foul Pets One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. Given a free rein of the area, she would romp happily over hill and dales yet magically appear at one whistle or call. But one evening there was no familiar figure loping homeward in response to our frantic whistles and calls. After combing the area, my husband visited the Gaon Burha (village Pradhan) of the closest Naga settlement and spelt out all sorts of dire consequences if the dog did not return. Twenty minutes later, Bindu was safely home. An incident that occurred this week brings home the awful fate that Bindu so narrowly escaped. On the night of July 7, Yoronso, a 30-year-old Naga student at Delhi’s prestigious Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) invited two pals over to his hostel room. Kali, a friendly eight-year-old campus dog (born and brought up there) happened to be sitting near the stairs. Using biscuits they lured her upstairs into Yoronso’ s room (No 248 Kaveri Hostel) and bolted the door. Yoronso fed Kali some rice from the hostel mess and then tied up her mouth. The three then began to bludgeon the little creature with a cricket bat and curtain rods. After battering her for more than half-an-hour, Yoronso stuck a knife into the still conscious dog and began to cut her, even as she moaned and writhed in pain. Finally, they took a brick and smashed Kali’s swollen, bleeding skull. The noise and blood seeping under the door attracted attention and a crowd of students and the warden began to bang on the
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Eating an animal for food is not a crime. But there is a humane way of killing an animal for food. Reading this article makes me feel disgusted. I love my non-veg food but if we are to believe what has been described, it's barbaric. You don't skin an animal alive in a civlized society. I fully support strict action against this Mr Yoronso. People like him do create cause for hatred for NE people. I agree that eating a dog may be okay in Nagaland but it is not common in most parts of India and he should have respected that. JS On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:25 PM, uttam borthakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. The University should also refuse to accept Yoronso's Ph.D thesis, which his guide should also refuse to sign. The varsity must also revoke his Bachelor and Master's Degrees, and co-operate with the police to chargesheet and arrest all the three men. Apart from the shame of a top University colluding with criminals, even more shameful is that these so-called mastermind academics cannot even come up with a plausible cover-up! Demand action against the tormentors of a helpless, harmless young life. ..What an attitude! The attitude of the 'occupational forces'. The respectable Gao Burha was treated like a vermin. Comaparable with the occupational forces of Israel: the arab in their own land has to seek permission of the occupational army to grow vegetables or fruits for sustenance. The 'Irish' setter's [not a desi mongrel there] status is obviously higher than the lowly cur of a Gao Burha. Mr. Shukla should have tried that stuff in his own state with the village pramukh. Just look at her sense of retribution. Only because a dog is a food (as also in China where Beijing olympic is being staged) for a scholar, he should be arrested as a criminal! What about the rape perpetrated by the Indian Jawans in the north east? What about quarantining of the villages of the north east since 'independence' so that the old and feeble and the very young of starvation and mal- nutrition? What about the wanton killing of the innocent by the army in these areas? Are these not crimes? Has shshould diee ever made a whisper? No Mr. Goyari, we do not have to be apologetic about our food habit. If we eat a dog, so what? It is like eating vegetables, another form of life. We are not here to please the sensibilities of the likes of Mrs. Shukla here. Uttam Kumar Borthakur --- On Tue, 15/7/08, Phanindra Goyari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Phanindra Goyari [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Assam] Murder Most Foul To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.org Date: Tuesday, 15 July, 2008, 4:09 PM Following article appeared in Deccan Chronicle paper today. I also love dogs and other animals. But author's one sentence is not palatable for many north-eastern people:It says: Apparently North-Eastern students at JNU regularly lynch and barbecue dogs. I heard that many people in Nagaland state eat dog meat. Now North-Eastern (NE)India consists of eight states: Assam, Arunachal, Meghalaya, Manipur, Nagaland, Mizoram, Tripura and Sikkim. Except some people in Nagaland, people from other NE states do not eat dog meat. FYI, many people in NE India are vegetarians. Thus, it may be right to say that many students from Nagaland eat dog meat, but it is not right to say that whole north-eastern students kill dogs for meat. Ambika's above statement is hurting the sentiment of many people of north-easter region of India. Regards, Phanindra Hyderabad ** Murder Most Foul article by Ambika Shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] Murder Most Foul Pets One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. Given a free rein of the area, she would romp happily over hill and dales yet magically appear at one whistle or call. But one evening there was no familiar figure loping homeward in response to our frantic whistles and calls. After combing the area, my husband visited the Gaon Burha (village Pradhan) of the closest Naga settlement and spelt out all sorts of dire consequences if the dog did not return. Twenty minutes later, Bindu was safely home. An incident that occurred this week brings home the awful fate that Bindu so narrowly escaped. On the night of July 7, Yoronso, a 30-year-old Naga student at Delhi's prestigious Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) invited two pals over to his hostel room. Kali, a friendly eight-year-old campus dog (born and brought up there)
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I love my non-veg food but if we are to believe what has been described, it's barbaric.You don't skin an animal alive in a civlized society.I fully support strict action against this Mr Yoronso. Now please read this: The three then began to bludgeon the little creature with a cricket bat and curtain rods. After battering her for more than half-an-hour, Yoronso stuck a knife into the still conscious dog and began to cut her, even as she moaned and writhed in pain. Finally, they took a brick and smashed Kali's swollen, bleeding skull. The noise and blood seeping under the door attracted attention and a crowd of students and the warden began to bang on the door, forcing it open. Yoronso and his accomplices were caught red-handed — literally. First, you have to believe the story. The description of the happenings inside the room are too graphic. It requires some gullibility! How is it known that Mr. Yoronso skinned the animal when alive? Was it still alive after they took a brick and smashed Kali's swollen, bleeding skull subsequent to which they were caught. The smashing followed or was followed by cutting the skin? It took the crowd to bang on the door 'half an hour of bludgeoning' 'cutting up' and 'smashing'. Too many loose ends. The story appears to be a product of highly imaginative mind. She's more worried about her irish setter' Bindu's fate. Second, what is a humane way of killing? Hanging by the neck? Halal? (Guns are not allowed in the campus) Anyone after food would like to kill fast. Or is there an assumed 'inhuman' trait in the people other than north indians that they derive pleasure from inflicting pain on what they prey? Uttam Kumar Borthakur --- On Tue, 15/7/08, Jyotirmoy Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jyotirmoy Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Date: Tuesday, 15 July, 2008, 7:55 PM Eating an animal for food is not a crime. But there is a humane way of killing an animal for food. Reading this article makes me feel disgusted. I love my non-veg food but if we are to believe what has been described, it's barbaric. You don't skin an animal alive in a civlized society. I fully support strict action against this Mr Yoronso. People like him do create cause for hatred for NE people. I agree that eating a dog may be okay in Nagaland but it is not common in most parts of India and he should have respected that. JS On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:25 PM, uttam borthakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. The University should also refuse to accept Yoronso's Ph.D thesis, which his guide should also refuse to sign. The varsity must also revoke his Bachelor and Master's Degrees, and co-operate with the police to chargesheet and arrest all the three men. Apart from the shame of a top University colluding with criminals, even more shameful is that these so-called mastermind academics cannot even come up with a plausible cover-up! Demand action against the tormentors of a helpless, harmless young life. ..What an attitude! The attitude of the 'occupational forces'. The respectable Gao Burha was treated like a vermin. Comaparable with the occupational forces of Israel: the arab in their own land has to seek permission of the occupational army to grow vegetables or fruits for sustenance. The 'Irish' setter's [not a desi mongrel there] status is obviously higher than the lowly cur of a Gao Burha. Mr. Shukla should have tried that stuff in his own state with the village pramukh. Just look at her sense of retribution. Only because a dog is a food (as also in China where Beijing olympic is being staged) for a scholar, he should be arrested as a criminal! What about the rape perpetrated by the Indian Jawans in the north east? What about quarantining of the villages of the north east since 'independence' so that the old and feeble and the very young of starvation and mal- nutrition? What about the wanton killing of the innocent by the army in these areas? Are these not crimes? Has shshould diee ever made a whisper? No Mr. Goyari, we do not have to be apologetic about our food habit. If we eat a dog, so what? It is like eating vegetables, another form of life. We are not here to please the sensibilities of the likes of Mrs. Shukla here. Uttam Kumar Borthakur --- On Tue, 15/7/08, Phanindra Goyari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Phanindra Goyari [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Assam] Murder Most Foul To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam
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I loved both the first reply and this one too. One should learn to look at issues critically. At 8:54 PM +0530 7/15/08, uttam borthakur wrote: I love my non-veg food but if we are to believe what has been described, it's barbaric.You don't skin an animal alive in a civlized society.I fully support strict action against this Mr Yoronso. Now please read this: The three then began to bludgeon the little creature with a cricket bat and curtain rods. After battering her for more than half-an-hour, Yoronso stuck a knife into the still conscious dog and began to cut her, even as she moaned and writhed in pain. Finally, they took a brick and smashed Kali's swollen, bleeding skull. The noise and blood seeping under the door attracted attention and a crowd of students and the warden began to bang on the door, forcing it open. Yoronso and his accomplices were caught red-handed - literally. First, you have to believe the story. The description of the happenings inside the room are too graphic. It requires some gullibility! How is it known that Mr. Yoronso skinned the animal when alive? Was it still alive after they took a brick and smashed Kali's swollen, bleeding skull subsequent to which they were caught. The smashing followed or was followed by cutting the skin? It took the crowd to bang on the door 'half an hour of bludgeoning' 'cutting up' and 'smashing'. Too many loose ends. The story appears to be a product of highly imaginative mind. She's more worried about her irish setter' Bindu's fate. Second, what is a humane way of killing? Hanging by the neck? Halal? (Guns are not allowed in the campus) Anyone after food would like to kill fast. Or is there an assumed 'inhuman' trait in the people other than north indians that they derive pleasure from inflicting pain on what they prey? Uttam Kumar Borthakur --- On Tue, 15/7/08, Jyotirmoy Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jyotirmoy Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Date: Tuesday, 15 July, 2008, 7:55 PM Eating an animal for food is not a crime. But there is a humane way of killing an animal for food. Reading this article makes me feel disgusted. I love my non-veg food but if we are to believe what has been described, it's barbaric. You don't skin an animal alive in a civlized society. I fully support strict action against this Mr Yoronso. People like him do create cause for hatred for NE people. I agree that eating a dog may be okay in Nagaland but it is not common in most parts of India and he should have respected that. JS On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:25 PM, uttam borthakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. The University should also refuse to accept Yoronso's Ph.D thesis, which his guide should also refuse to sign. The varsity must also revoke his Bachelor and Master's Degrees, and co-operate with the police to chargesheet and arrest all the three men. Apart from the shame of a top University colluding with criminals, even more shameful is that these so-called mastermind academics cannot even come up with a plausible cover-up! Demand action against the tormentors of a helpless, harmless young life. ..What an attitude! The attitude of the 'occupational forces'. The respectable Gao Burha was treated like a vermin. Comaparable with the occupational forces of Israel: the arab in their own land has to seek permission of the occupational army to grow vegetables or fruits for sustenance. The 'Irish' setter's [not a desi mongrel there] status is obviously higher than the lowly cur of a Gao Burha. Mr. Shukla should have tried that stuff in his own state with the village pramukh. Just look at her sense of retribution. Only because a dog is a food (as also in China where Beijing olympic is being staged) for a scholar, he should be arrested as a criminal! What about the rape perpetrated by the Indian Jawans in the north east? What about quarantining of the villages of the north east since 'independence' so that the old and feeble and the very young of starvation and mal- nutrition? What about the wanton killing of the innocent by the army in these areas? Are these not crimes? Has shshould diee ever made a whisper? No Mr. Goyari, we do not have to be apologetic about our food habit. If we eat a dog, so what? It is like eating vegetables, another form of life. We are not here to please the sensibilities of the likes of Mrs. Shukla here. Uttam Kumar Borthakur --- On Tue, 15/7/08, Phanindra Goyari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Phanindra Goyari [EMAIL PROTECTED
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I kind agree with Uttam here. Life Magazine (I think) it seems, many years ago, brought out an article with some gory photos of how spring lambs were slaughtered in the US (for veal preparation). It seems a new born lamb was immediately suspended in air (upon birth) - that way the flesh would be tender. They are fed soft food for a few months and then killed with a baseball bat. Logically, the meat would be tender and thus good for veal. After that there was huge protest veal was looked at in a different light. Today, the US has gone thru radical changes. Before slaughter, animals are first given a shot to calm their nerves and when slaughtered, the animal supposedly does not feel. Also, it seems some chemicals are released if the animal feels its life is in danger and that in turn does not produce the best quality meats. I am not sure if there are humane ways to slaughter animals. But cruelty can of course be certainly recognized (specially when someone derives sadistic pleasure out of it). I seriously doubt if the Naga student at JNU derived any sadistic pleasure out of killing the mutt. If the story is true, he probably just wanted lunch. I tend to think that since most people don't eat dogs (or cats), there that general tendency to feel really bad about it. As a side note, I remember Alpana once telling how a friend of hers said wouldn't eat lamb, because lambs were so innocent and helpless. Alpana, in her usual way, asked her which cows she had found violent? --Ram On 7/15/08, uttam borthakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love my non-veg food but if we are to believe what has been described, it's barbaric.You don't skin an animal alive in a civlized society.I fully support strict action against this Mr Yoronso. Now please read this: The three then began to bludgeon the little creature with a cricket bat and curtain rods. After battering her for more than half-an-hour, Yoronso stuck a knife into the still conscious dog and began to cut her, even as she moaned and writhed in pain. Finally, they took a brick and smashed Kali's swollen, bleeding skull. The noise and blood seeping under the door attracted attention and a crowd of students and the warden began to bang on the door, forcing it open. Yoronso and his accomplices were caught red-handed — literally. First, you have to believe the story. The description of the happenings inside the room are too graphic. It requires some gullibility! How is it known that Mr. Yoronso skinned the animal when alive? Was it still alive after they took a brick and smashed Kali's swollen, bleeding skull subsequent to which they were caught. The smashing followed or was followed by cutting the skin? It took the crowd to bang on the door 'half an hour of bludgeoning' 'cutting up' and 'smashing'. Too many loose ends. The story appears to be a product of highly imaginative mind. She's more worried about her irish setter' Bindu's fate. Second, what is a humane way of killing? Hanging by the neck? Halal? (Guns are not allowed in the campus) Anyone after food would like to kill fast. Or is there an assumed 'inhuman' trait in the people other than north indians that they derive pleasure from inflicting pain on what they prey? Uttam Kumar Borthakur --- On Tue, 15/7/08, Jyotirmoy Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jyotirmoy Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Date: Tuesday, 15 July, 2008, 7:55 PM Eating an animal for food is not a crime. But there is a humane way of killing an animal for food. Reading this article makes me feel disgusted. I love my non-veg food but if we are to believe what has been described, it's barbaric. You don't skin an animal alive in a civlized society. I fully support strict action against this Mr Yoronso. People like him do create cause for hatred for NE people. I agree that eating a dog may be okay in Nagaland but it is not common in most parts of India and he should have respected that. JS On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:25 PM, uttam borthakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. The University should also refuse to accept Yoronso's Ph.D thesis, which his guide should also refuse to sign. The varsity must also revoke his Bachelor and Master's Degrees, and co-operate with the police to chargesheet and arrest all the three men. Apart from the shame of a top University colluding with criminals, even more shameful is that these so-called mastermind academics cannot even come up with a plausible cover-up! Demand action against the tormentors
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The tormentors always lead the tormented to believe that they are inferiors and they happily believe that. I do not know why we are always in a defensive mode. If someone has done something, it is private matter. That matter may be reported without the holier than thou attitude. Why this stigma as to region, caste, ethnicity etc.? Moreover, what is the ruckus about someone having food of his choice. The variation is as to degree and the cultural mould. Uttam Kumar Borthakur --- On Tue, 15/7/08, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org, Jyotirmoy Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, 15 July, 2008, 9:08 PM I loved both the first reply and this one too. One should learn to look at issues critically. At 8:54 PM +0530 7/15/08, uttam borthakur wrote: I love my non-veg food but if we are to believe what has been described, it's barbaric.You don't skin an animal alive in a civlized society.I fully support strict action against this Mr Yoronso. Now please read this: The three then began to bludgeon the little creature with a cricket bat and curtain rods. After battering her for more than half-an-hour, Yoronso stuck a knife into the still conscious dog and began to cut her, even as she moaned and writhed in pain. Finally, they took a brick and smashed Kali's swollen, bleeding skull. The noise and blood seeping under the door attracted attention and a crowd of students and the warden began to bang on the door, forcing it open. Yoronso and his accomplices were caught red-handed - literally. First, you have to believe the story. The description of the happenings inside the room are too graphic. It requires some gullibility! How is it known that Mr. Yoronso skinned the animal when alive? Was it still alive after they took a brick and smashed Kali's swollen, bleeding skull subsequent to which they were caught. The smashing followed or was followed by cutting the skin? It took the crowd to bang on the door 'half an hour of bludgeoning' 'cutting up' and 'smashing'. Too many loose ends. The story appears to be a product of highly imaginative mind. She's more worried about her irish setter' Bindu's fate. Second, what is a humane way of killing? Hanging by the neck? Halal? (Guns are not allowed in the campus) Anyone after food would like to kill fast. Or is there an assumed 'inhuman' trait in the people other than north indians that they derive pleasure from inflicting pain on what they prey? Uttam Kumar Borthakur --- On Tue, 15/7/08, Jyotirmoy Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jyotirmoy Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Date: Tuesday, 15 July, 2008, 7:55 PM Eating an animal for food is not a crime. But there is a humane way of killing an animal for food. Reading this article makes me feel disgusted. I love my non-veg food but if we are to believe what has been described, it's barbaric. You don't skin an animal alive in a civlized society. I fully support strict action against this Mr Yoronso. People like him do create cause for hatred for NE people. I agree that eating a dog may be okay in Nagaland but it is not common in most parts of India and he should have respected that. JS On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:25 PM, uttam borthakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. The University should also refuse to accept Yoronso's Ph.D thesis, which his guide should also refuse to sign. The varsity must also revoke his Bachelor and Master's Degrees, and co-operate with the police to chargesheet and arrest all the three men. Apart from the shame of a top University colluding with criminals, even more shameful is that these so-called mastermind academics cannot even come up with a plausible cover-up! Demand action against the tormentors of a helpless, harmless young life. ..What an attitude! The attitude of the 'occupational forces'. The respectable Gao Burha was treated like a vermin. Comaparable with the occupational forces of Israel: the arab in their own land has to seek permission of the occupational army to grow vegetables or fruits for sustenance. The 'Irish' setter's [not a desi mongrel there] status is obviously higher than the lowly cur of a Gao Burha. Mr. Shukla should have tried that stuff in his own state with the village pramukh. Just look at her sense of retribution. Only because a dog is a food (as also in China where Beijing
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One should learn to look at issues critically. And one should also know to keep issues separate. Comparing one crime with another can't bring an excuse to cruelty. Cruelty need to be stopped, not indulged by other examples. While I don't agree with revoking the degrees, I am also of the opinion - who cares what degrees one has, if one is found guilty of a crime? “In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass.” Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:38:40 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul I loved both the first reply and this one too. One should learn to look at issues critically. At 8:54 PM +0530 7/15/08, uttam borthakur wrote: I love my non-veg food but if we are to believe what has been described, it's barbaric.You don't skin an animal alive in a civlized society.I fully support strict action against this Mr Yoronso. Now please read this: The three then began to bludgeon the little creature with a cricket bat and curtain rods. After battering her for more than half-an-hour, Yoronso stuck a knife into the still conscious dog and began to cut her, even as she moaned and writhed in pain. Finally, they took a brick and smashed Kali's swollen, bleeding skull. The noise and blood seeping under the door attracted attention and a crowd of students and the warden began to bang on the door, forcing it open. Yoronso and his accomplices were caught red-handed - literally. First, you have to believe the story. The description of the happenings inside the room are too graphic. It requires some gullibility! How is it known that Mr. Yoronso skinned the animal when alive? Was it still alive after they took a brick and smashed Kali's swollen, bleeding skull subsequent to which they were caught. The smashing followed or was followed by cutting the skin? It took the crowd to bang on the door 'half an hour of bludgeoning' 'cutting up' and 'smashing'. Too many loose ends. The story appears to be a product of highly imaginative mind. She's more worried about her irish setter' Bindu's fate. Second, what is a humane way of killing? Hanging by the neck? Halal? (Guns are not allowed in the campus) Anyone after food would like to kill fast. Or is there an assumed 'inhuman' trait in the people other than north indians that they derive pleasure from inflicting pain on what they prey?Uttam Kumar Borthakur --- On Tue, 15/7/08, Jyotirmoy Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jyotirmoy Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Date: Tuesday, 15 July, 2008, 7:55 PMEating an animal for food is not a crime. But there is a humane way of killing an animal for food. Reading this article makes me feel disgusted. I love my non-veg food but if we are to believe what has been described, it's barbaric. You don't skin an animal alive in a civlized society. I fully support strict action against this Mr Yoronso. People like him do create cause for hatred for NE people. I agree that eating a dog may be okay in Nagaland but it is not common in most parts of India and he should have respected that. JS On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:25 PM, uttam borthakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. The University should also refuse to accept Yoronso's Ph.D thesis, which his guide should also refuse to sign. The varsity must also revoke his Bachelor and Master's Degrees, and co-operate with the police to chargesheet and arrest all the three men. Apart from the shame of a top University colluding with criminals, even more shameful is that these so-called mastermind academics cannot even come up with a plausible cover-up! Demand action against the tormentors of a helpless, harmless young life. ..What an attitude! The attitude of the 'occupational forces'. The respectable Gao Burha was treated like a vermin. Comaparable with the occupational forces of Israel: the arab in their own land has to seek permission of the occupational army to grow vegetables or fruits for sustenance. The 'Irish' setter's [not a desi mongrel there] status is obviously higher than the lowly cur of a Gao Burha. Mr. Shukla should have tried that stuff in his own state with the village pramukh. Just look at her sense of retribution. Only because a dog is a food (as also in China where Beijing olympic is being staged
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At 11:29 AM -0500 7/15/08, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote: One should learn to look at issues critically. And one should also know to keep issues separate. Comparing one crime with another can't bring an excuse to cruelty. True. But cruelty has many dimensions too. In this article, the writer demonstrated quite clearly that her humanity is more readily available on behalf of dogs than for humans. The accounts of the Naga student's supposed inhumanity is quite clearly a highly embellished one if not an entirely fabricated one, as Uttam points out incisively. Cruelty need to be stopped, not indulged by other examples. While I don't agree with revoking the degrees, I am also of the opinion - who cares what degrees one has, if one is found guilty of a crime? In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass. Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:38:40 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul I loved both the first reply and this one too. One should learn to look at issues critically. At 8:54 PM +0530 7/15/08, uttam borthakur wrote: I love my non-veg food but if we are to believe what has been described, it's barbaric.You don't skin an animal alive in a civlized society.I fully support strict action against this Mr Yoronso. Now please read this: The three then began to bludgeon the little creature with a cricket bat and curtain rods. After battering her for more than half-an-hour, Yoronso stuck a knife into the still conscious dog and began to cut her, even as she moaned and writhed in pain. Finally, they took a brick and smashed Kali's swollen, bleeding skull. The noise and blood seeping under the door attracted attention and a crowd of students and the warden began to bang on the door, forcing it open. Yoronso and his accomplices were caught red-handed - literally. First, you have to believe the story. The description of the happenings inside the room are too graphic. It requires some gullibility! How is it known that Mr. Yoronso skinned the animal when alive? Was it still alive after they took a brick and smashed Kali's swollen, bleeding skull subsequent to which they were caught. The smashing followed or was followed by cutting the skin? It took the crowd to bang on the door 'half an hour of bludgeoning' 'cutting up' and 'smashing'. Too many loose ends. The story appears to be a product of highly imaginative mind. She's more worried about her irish setter' Bindu's fate. Second, what is a humane way of killing? Hanging by the neck? Halal? (Guns are not allowed in the campus) Anyone after food would like to kill fast. Or is there an assumed 'inhuman' trait in the people other than north indians that they derive pleasure from inflicting pain on what they prey?Uttam Kumar Borthakur --- On Tue, 15/7/08, Jyotirmoy Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jyotirmoy Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Date: Tuesday, 15 July, 2008, 7:55 PMEating an animal for food is not a crime. But there is a humane way of killing an animal for food. Reading this article makes me feel disgusted. I love my non-veg food but if we are to believe what has been described, it's barbaric. You don't skin an animal alive in a civlized society. I fully support strict action against this Mr Yoronso. People like him do create cause for hatred for NE people. I agree that eating a dog may be okay in Nagaland but it is not common in most parts of India and he should have respected that. JS On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:25 PM, uttam borthakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. The University should also refuse to accept Yoronso's Ph.D thesis, which his guide should also refuse to sign. The varsity must also revoke his Bachelor and Master's Degrees, and co-operate with the police to chargesheet and arrest all the three men. Apart from the shame of a top University colluding with criminals, even more shameful is that these so-called mastermind academics cannot even come up with a plausible cover-up! Demand action against the tormentors of a helpless, harmless young life. ..What an attitude! The attitude of the 'occupational forces'. The respectable Gao Burha was treated like a vermin. Comaparable with the occupational forces of Israel: the arab in their own land has to seek permission of the occupational army to grow vegetables
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Even if the details of the incident have been exaggerated, the fact remains that an animal was beaten to death in a hostel room. I think that's a crime by any standards of a civil society. Just as a gun is not allowed in JNU campus, I don't think killing an animal in the hostel rooms is allowed. Beating an animal to death is certainly not a humane way of killing an animal for food. I stand by by statement that this person should be punished for his crime. As for the editor, he did make a generalization, but it does not take people long to form an opinion based on a few incidents. It happens in the west too. JS On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:24 PM, uttam borthakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love my non-veg food but if we are to believe what has been described, it's barbaric.You don't skin an animal alive in a civlized society.I fully support strict action against this Mr Yoronso. Now please read this: The three then began to bludgeon the little creature with a cricket bat and curtain rods. After battering her for more than half-an-hour, Yoronso stuck a knife into the still conscious dog and began to cut her, even as she moaned and writhed in pain. Finally, they took a brick and smashed Kali's swollen, bleeding skull. The noise and blood seeping under the door attracted attention and a crowd of students and the warden began to bang on the door, forcing it open. Yoronso and his accomplices were caught red-handed — literally. First, you have to believe the story. The description of the happenings inside the room are too graphic. It requires some gullibility! How is it known that Mr. Yoronso skinned the animal when alive? Was it still alive after they took a brick and smashed Kali's swollen, bleeding skull subsequent to which they were caught. The smashing followed or was followed by cutting the skin? It took the crowd to bang on the door 'half an hour of bludgeoning' 'cutting up' and 'smashing'. Too many loose ends. The story appears to be a product of highly imaginative mind. She's more worried about her irish setter' Bindu's fate. Second, what is a humane way of killing? Hanging by the neck? Halal? (Guns are not allowed in the campus) Anyone after food would like to kill fast. Or is there an assumed 'inhuman' trait in the people other than north indians that they derive pleasure from inflicting pain on what they prey? *Uttam Kumar Borthakur* --- On *Tue, 15/7/08, Jyotirmoy Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]*wrote: From: Jyotirmoy Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Date: Tuesday, 15 July, 2008, 7:55 PM Eating an animal for food is not a crime. But there is a humane way of killing an animal for food. Reading this article makes me feel disgusted. I love my non-veg food but if we are to believe what has been described, it's barbaric. You don't skin an animal alive in a civlized society. I fully support strict action against this Mr Yoronso. People like him do create cause for hatred for NE people. I agree that eating a dog may be okay in Nagaland but it is not common in most parts of India and he should have respected that. JS On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:25 PM, uttam borthakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. The University should also refuse to accept Yoronso's Ph.D thesis, which his guide should also refuse to sign. The varsity must also revoke his Bachelor and Master's Degrees, and co-operate with the police to chargesheet and arrest all the three men. Apart from the shame of a top University colluding with criminals, even more shameful is that these so-called mastermind academics cannot even come up with a plausible cover-up! Demand action against the tormentors of a helpless, harmless young life. ..What an attitude! The attitude of the 'occupational forces'. The respectable Gao Burha was treated like a vermin. Comaparable with the occupational forces of Israel: the arab in their own land has to seek permission of the occupational army to grow vegetables or fruits for sustenance. The 'Irish' setter's [not a desi mongrel there] status is obviously higher than the lowly cur of a Gao Burha. Mr. Shukla should have tried that stuff in his own state with the village pramukh. Just look at her sense of retribution. Only because a dog is a food (as also in China where Beijing olympic is being staged) for a scholar, he should be arrested as a criminal! What about the rape perpetrated by the Indian Jawans in the north east? What about quarantining of the villages of the north east since
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Hi JS, Beating an animal to death is certainly not a humane way of killing an animal for food. I agree. It certainly is cruel. But animal cruelty is practised quite a bit in India. We sacrifice animals in the name of religion (not for food). Chicken/ducks are summarily beheaded, and the sacred cow is often overworked, ill-treated and when it becomes useless it is left to eat garbage almost all over India. Stray dogs are a common sight. Poisonous snakes are killed upon sight and rhinos poached. Yes, India is the country where people in the West look up to for guidance and try to understand words like Ahimsa. It is very difficult for one to understand how in a place where snakes and cows are supposedly worshipped, animals are ill-treated so much. No, cattle and snakes are usually not eaten, but that is where India's kindness stops. As for the editor, he did make a generalization, but it does not take people long to form an opinion based on a few incidents. I wish it were just that. When I read the piece, I really felt there was more than that. The piece was more or less condescending throughout. And then there was arrogance. --Ram On 7/15/08, Jyotirmoy Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if the details of the incident have been exaggerated, the fact remains that an animal was beaten to death in a hostel room. I think that's a crime by any standards of a civil society. Just as a gun is not allowed in JNU campus, I don't think killing an animal in the hostel rooms is allowed. Beating an animal to death is certainly not a humane way of killing an animal for food. I stand by by statement that this person should be punished for his crime. As for the editor, he did make a generalization, but it does not take people long to form an opinion based on a few incidents. It happens in the west too. JS On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:24 PM, uttam borthakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love my non-veg food but if we are to believe what has been described, it's barbaric.You don't skin an animal alive in a civlized society.I fully support strict action against this Mr Yoronso. Now please read this: The three then began to bludgeon the little creature with a cricket bat and curtain rods. After battering her for more than half-an-hour, Yoronso stuck a knife into the still conscious dog and began to cut her, even as she moaned and writhed in pain. Finally, they took a brick and smashed Kali's swollen, bleeding skull. The noise and blood seeping under the door attracted attention and a crowd of students and the warden began to bang on the door, forcing it open. Yoronso and his accomplices were caught red-handed — literally. First, you have to believe the story. The description of the happenings inside the room are too graphic. It requires some gullibility! How is it known that Mr. Yoronso skinned the animal when alive? Was it still alive after they took a brick and smashed Kali's swollen, bleeding skull subsequent to which they were caught. The smashing followed or was followed by cutting the skin? It took the crowd to bang on the door 'half an hour of bludgeoning' 'cutting up' and 'smashing'. Too many loose ends. The story appears to be a product of highly imaginative mind. She's more worried about her irish setter' Bindu's fate. Second, what is a humane way of killing? Hanging by the neck? Halal? (Guns are not allowed in the campus) Anyone after food would like to kill fast. Or is there an assumed 'inhuman' trait in the people other than north indians that they derive pleasure from inflicting pain on what they prey? *Uttam Kumar Borthakur* --- On *Tue, 15/7/08, Jyotirmoy Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] *wrote: From: Jyotirmoy Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Date: Tuesday, 15 July, 2008, 7:55 PM Eating an animal for food is not a crime. But there is a humane way of killing an animal for food. Reading this article makes me feel disgusted. I love my non-veg food but if we are to believe what has been described, it's barbaric. You don't skin an animal alive in a civlized society. I fully support strict action against this Mr Yoronso. People like him do create cause for hatred for NE people. I agree that eating a dog may be okay in Nagaland but it is not common in most parts of India and he should have respected that. JS On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:25 PM, uttam borthakur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. The University
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Now,the Oxomiyas should stop bunching southerners ( AP,TAMIL NADU,KERALA AND KARNATAKA ) together and classify them as MADRASI!!! KJD On 7/15/08, Phanindra Goyari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Following article appeared in Deccan Chronicle paper today. I also love dogs and other animals. But author's one sentence is not palatable for many north-eastern people:It says: Apparently North-Eastern students at JNU regularly lynch and barbecue dogs. I heard that many people in Nagaland state eat dog meat. Now North-Eastern (NE)India consists of eight states: Assam, Arunachal, Meghalaya, Manipur, Nagaland, Mizoram, Tripura and Sikkim. Except some people in Nagaland, people from other NE states do not eat dog meat. FYI, many people in NE India are vegetarians. Thus, it may be right to say that many students from Nagaland eat dog meat, but it is not right to say that whole north-eastern students kill dogs for meat. Ambika's above statement is hurting the sentiment of many people of north-easter region of India. Regards, Phanindra Hyderabad ** Murder Most Foul article by Ambika Shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] Murder Most Foul Pets One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. Given a free rein of the area, she would romp happily over hill and dales yet magically appear at one whistle or call. But one evening there was no familiar figure loping homeward in response to our frantic whistles and calls. After combing the area, my husband visited the Gaon Burha (village Pradhan) of the closest Naga settlement and spelt out all sorts of dire consequences if the dog did not return. Twenty minutes later, Bindu was safely home. An incident that occurred this week brings home the awful fate that Bindu so narrowly escaped. On the night of July 7, Yoronso, a 30-year-old Naga student at Delhi's prestigious Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) invited two pals over to his hostel room. Kali, a friendly eight-year-old campus dog (born and brought up there) happened to be sitting near the stairs. Using biscuits they lured her upstairs into Yoronso' s room (No 248 Kaveri Hostel) and bolted the door. Yoronso fed Kali some rice from the hostel mess and then tied up her mouth. The three then began to bludgeon the little creature with a cricket bat and curtain rods. After battering her for more than half-an-hour, Yoronso stuck a knife into the still conscious dog and began to cut her, even as she moaned and writhed in pain. Finally, they took a brick and smashed Kali's swollen, bleeding skull. The noise and blood seeping under the door attracted attention and a crowd of students and the warden began to bang on the door, forcing it open. Yoronso and his accomplices were caught red-handed — literally. Everyone was nauseated to find the battered remains of Kali and the cruelty that had been inflicted on the dog. Some students immediately summoned the police. But the warden, anxious to avoid any controversy, immediately planned a cover up by removing the body and the murder weapons. Students were warned not to make any statement to the police or press. When the police arrived, they conducted a cursory check; but neither made any arrests nor recorded the prima facie evidence. In fact, they would have done nothing had not one of the students called up activist Maneka Gandhi who immediately intervened and lodged an FIR. On learning that Gandhi had been informed; the warden issued a letter to Yoronso asking him to vacate his hostel accommodation. Yoronso is due to submit his Ph.D on July 21 and was already in the process of vacating his room prior to this event, so the Warden's action is surely an eyewash. Here is what the institution should do to punish such a crime and its perpetrators; firstly, Yoronso should be expelled and blacklisted from the school. The University should also refuse to accept Yoronso's Ph.D thesis, which his guide should also refuse to sign. The varsity must also revoke his Bachelor and Master's Degrees, and co-operate with the police to chargesheet and arrest all the three men. Instead, let's look at how JNU, this haloed learning ground, is actually conducting itself in the issue. Yoronso has been coached by the University to say that he reacted in self-defence after the dog attacked him. This is clearly untrue for a lot of reasons. First, the students unanimously vouch for Kali's gentle, friendly nature. Second, you shoo away or escape from a ferocious dog, you certainly don't lock it inside with you. When this theory failed, Yoronso was provided a second story. Now Kali was supposed to have entered his room and eaten his food. Why would his food be lying on the floor, and again, why did he not chase the dog away rather than locking her inside? Apart from the shame of a top University colluding
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Amazing tale! And even more amazing is the state of Indian journalism and its 'democracy' . Allow me to introduce myself: I am an ethnic Assamese , living in the USA and an observer of Indian Institutions of democracy, its 'journalism' and the role of its intelligentsia ( or more precisely its absence from) in shaping them. The author opens up on Nagas with her military husband's terrorizing a Naga village head-man, that produced her missing Irish Setter in twenty minutes! Where did this military man get the power to terrorize the village? What was the cause? It was an Irish Setter, a pet dog, missing for less than twenty minutes. Imagine that! Imagine the state of due process, imagine the power of the occupation forces, imagine accountability of the military--the wife of a two bit two-bit military officer can brag about it in the national media, imagine the professionalism of the Indian army that its apologists never fail to wave at the world! Now let us look at the professionalism of the Deccan Herald, its journalistic ethics, its editorial responsibility and its role as a watchdog of democracy that chose to publish this gem of an article: The writer not only publicly accuses this man, the Naga PhD student , Yoronso, of a crime, but also convicts him and then recommends punishment. And the Deccan Herald goes right along with this prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner all neatly packed into one, in the perfect image of the Indian military's half century old occupation and terrorism in the northeastern states and publishes it. Why shouldn't it? The writer provided all the proof, didn't she? Of course the writer had all the proof she ever needed, right? Must have had a hidden video camera in the room to record all the gruesome details. Or could it have been confessions of the accused extracted by someone like her military husband ? They sure know how to get those confessions. Just ask the dead Ajit Mahanta of Kakopothar, Assam who was taken by the army from his wife and little baby, sodomized with bamboo poles causing massive internal injuries before beating him to death and then dumping the body on the roadside, merely on suspicion that he was an ULFA 'collaborator'. Did Ajit Mahanta get any justice? Of course, the commanding general apologized. What more can anyone ask? No wonder the Indian intelligentsia and its renowned journals never found it necessary to write expose's about such forgettable events. But a dog at JNU--that is different. A Naga killed it! And you expect its intelligentsia and its press to let it go with a wink and a nod? Not in desi-demokrasy! Apparently North-Eastern students at JNU regularly lynch and barbecue dogs. Kalis mother, Leela, was an earlier victim. The truth be told! These damn northeasterners! Them slant eyed, dog-eating, independence seeking sub-humans are a murderous lot! Rein them in, and not a moment too soon! And who better to educate the right-proper Indians about them than a military wife once posted in Nagaland? Don't even think of trying to muddy the picture by trying to tell them that there is no such race of people as northeasterners, or that there is political or geographical entity as the Northeast. , that it is a convenient creation of Indian intellectual sloth and colonial mind-set to avoid getting headaches of the headless by learning what makes them the savage lot it is! Disgustedly yours, Chandan Mahanta Murder Most Foul article by Ambika Shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] Murder Most Foul Pets One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. Given a free rein of the area, she would romp happily over hill and dales yet magically appear at one whistle or call. But one evening there was no familiar figure loping homeward in response to our frantic whistles and calls. After combing the area, my husband visited the Gaon Burha (village Pradhan) of the closest Naga settlement and spelt out all sorts of dire consequences if the dog did not return. Twenty minutes later, Bindu was safely home. An incident that occurred this week brings home the awful fate that Bindu so narrowly escaped. On the night of July 7, Yoronso, a 30-year-old Naga student at Delhis prestigious Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) invited two pals over to his hostel room. Kali, a friendly eight-year-old campus dog (born and brought up there) happened to be sitting near the stairs. Using biscuits they lured her upstairs into Yoronso s room (No 248 Kaveri Hostel) and bolted the door. Yoronso fed Kali some rice from the hostel mess and then tied up her mouth. The three then began to bludgeon the little creature with a cricket bat and curtain rods.
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Excellent C'da. On 7/15/08, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amazing tale! And even more amazing is the state of Indian journalism and its 'democracy' . Allow me to introduce myself: I am an ethnic Assamese , living in the USA and an observer of Indian Institutions of democracy, its 'journalism' and the role of its intelligentsia ( or more precisely its absence from) in shaping them. The author opens up on Nagas with her military husband's terrorizing a Naga village head-man, that produced her missing Irish Setter in twenty minutes! Where did this military man get the power to terrorize the village? What was the cause? It was an Irish Setter, a pet dog, missing for less than twenty minutes. Imagine that! Imagine the state of due process, imagine the power of the occupation forces, imagine accountability of the military--the wife of a two bit two-bit military officer can brag about it in the national media, imagine the professionalism of the Indian army that its apologists never fail to wave at the world! Now let us look at the professionalism of the Deccan Herald, its journalistic ethics, its editorial responsibility and its role as a watchdog of democracy that chose to publish this gem of an article: The writer not only publicly accuses this man, the Naga PhD student , Yoronso, of a crime, but also convicts him and then recommends punishment. And the Deccan Herald goes right along with this prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner all neatly packed into one, in the perfect image of the Indian military's half century old occupation and terrorism in the northeastern states and publishes it. Why shouldn't it? The writer provided all the proof, didn't she? Of course the writer had all the proof she ever needed, right? Must have had a hidden video camera in the room to record all the gruesome details. Or could it have been confessions of the accused extracted by someone like her military husband ? They sure know how to get those confessions. Just ask the dead Ajit Mahanta of Kakopothar, Assam who was taken by the army from his wife and little baby, sodomized with bamboo poles causing massive internal injuries before beating him to death and then dumping the body on the roadside, merely on suspicion that he was an ULFA 'collaborator'. Did Ajit Mahanta get any justice? Of course, the commanding general apologized. What more can anyone ask? No wonder the Indian intelligentsia and its renowned journals never found it necessary to write expose's about such forgettable events. But a dog at JNU--that is different. A Naga killed it! And you expect its intelligentsia and its press to let it go with a wink and a nod? Not in desi-demokrasy! Apparently North-Eastern students at JNU regularly lynch and barbecue dogs. Kali's mother, Leela, was an earlier victim. The truth be told! These damn northeasterners! Them slant eyed, dog-eating, independence seeking sub-humans are a murderous lot! Rein them in, and not a moment too soon! And who better to educate the right-proper Indians about them than a military wife once posted in Nagaland? Don't even think of trying to muddy the picture by trying to tell them that there is no such race of people as northeasterners, or that there is political or geographical entity as the Northeast. , that it is a convenient creation of Indian intellectual sloth and colonial mind-set to avoid getting headaches of the headless by learning what makes them the savage lot it is! Disgustedly yours, Chandan Mahanta Murder Most Foul article by Ambika Shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] Murder Most Foul Pets One of the most anxious days of our army posting in Nagaland had nothing to do with the insurgency. It was the day, our Irish Setter, Bindu went missing. Given a free rein of the area, she would romp happily over hill and dales yet magically appear at one whistle or call. But one evening there was no familiar figure loping homeward in response to our frantic whistles and calls. After combing the area, my husband visited the Gaon Burha (village Pradhan) of the closest Naga settlement and spelt out all sorts of dire consequences if the dog did not return. Twenty minutes later, Bindu was safely home. An incident that occurred this week brings home the awful fate that Bindu so narrowly escaped. On the night of July 7, Yoronso, a 30-year-old Naga student at Delhi's prestigious Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) invited two pals over to his hostel room. Kali, a friendly eight-year-old campus dog (born and brought up there) happened to be sitting near the stairs. Using biscuits they lured her upstairs into Yoronso' s room (No 248 Kaveri Hostel) and bolted the door. Yoronso fed Kali some rice from the hostel mess and then
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Ambika-ji, Now people seem to go beyond cow protection and even protect stray dogs (called campus dogs!! - seems amazing how everyone seems to accept them as their best friend - even if the dogs are not theirs). I would say all dogs on the streets roaming around should be eaten or dispatched -as in the USA. Why not protect pigs also - pig eating is banned in most Arabian countries and dog eating is banned in the US, cow eating banned in India. Does JNU have nothing better to do than protect stray dogs? I think otherwise. JNU's reputation is not built on dog protection, is it? I thought it was the job of dogs to protect humans. Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://harvardscience.harvard.edu/ http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ --- On Tue, 15/7/08, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Murder Most Foul To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world assam@assamnet.org Date: Tuesday, 15 July, 2008, 11:32 PM Excellent C'da. On 7/15/08, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amazing tale! And even more amazing is the state of Indian journalism and its 'democracy' . Allow me to introduce myself: I am an ethnic Assamese , living in the USA and an observer of Indian Institutions of democracy, its 'journalism' and the role of its intelligentsia ( or more precisely its absence from) in shaping them. The author opens up on Nagas with her military husband's terrorizing a Naga village head-man, that produced her missing Irish Setter in twenty minutes! Where did this military man get the power to terrorize the village? What was the cause? It was an Irish Setter, a pet dog, missing for less than twenty minutes. Imagine that! Imagine the state of due process, imagine the power of the occupation forces, imagine accountability of the military--the wife of a two bit two-bit military officer can brag about it in the national media, imagine the professionalism of the Indian army that its apologists never fail to wave at the world! Now let us look at the professionalism of the Deccan Herald, its journalistic ethics, its editorial responsibility and its role as a watchdog of democracy that chose to publish this gem of an article: The writer not only publicly accuses this man, the Naga PhD student , Yoronso, of a crime, but also convicts him and then recommends punishment. And the Deccan Herald goes right along with this prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner all neatly packed into one, in the perfect image of the Indian military's half century old occupation and terrorism in the northeastern states and publishes it. Why shouldn't it? The writer provided all the proof, didn't she? Of course the writer had all the proof she ever needed, right? Must have had a hidden video camera in the room to record all the gruesome details. Or could it have been confessions of the accused extracted by someone like her military husband ? They sure know how to get those confessions. Just ask the dead Ajit Mahanta of Kakopothar, Assam who was taken by the army from his wife and little baby, sodomized with bamboo poles causing massive internal injuries before beating him to death and then dumping the body on the roadside, merely on suspicion that he was an ULFA 'collaborator'. Did Ajit Mahanta get any justice? Of course, the commanding general apologized. What more can anyone ask? No wonder the Indian intelligentsia and its renowned journals never found it necessary to write expose's about such forgettable events. But a dog at JNU--that is different. A Naga killed it! And you expect its intelligentsia and its press to let it go with a wink and a nod? Not in desi-demokrasy! Apparently North-Eastern students at JNU regularly lynch and barbecue dogs. Kali's mother, Leela, was an earlier victim. The truth be told! These damn northeasterners! Them slant eyed, dog-eating, independence seeking sub-humans are a murderous lot! Rein them in, and not a moment too soon! And who better to educate the right-proper Indians about them than a military wife once posted in Nagaland? Don't even think of trying to muddy the picture by trying to tell them that there is no such race of people as northeasterners, or that there is political or geographical entity as the Northeast. , that it is a convenient creation of Indian intellectual sloth and colonial mind-set to avoid getting headaches of the headless by learning
