Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? The problem with most of your examples is, many of those people point to racist people. A few racist people do not make the entire system racist. The example about the unfair court cases misses several important factors. The white person who gets a light sentence might have had a better lawyer. I would argue a white person who wasnat an actor would still be treated the way the black lady was. I agree we have a few racist people in the United States, but the system as a whole is not racist. Do we need to adjust a few things? Maybe. As for the black college student sleeping on the couch, it is not a crime to call the police when you see something strange. Also, when you call the police, they ask you to describe the person, and an easy way to describe someone is to say they are black. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547958/#p547958 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Asking for a law that directly supports racism to be provided feels like a deflection of arguments to me. As if you’re certain one does not exist and are attempting to use this to claim that racism is a thing of the past, and ignore evidence outside of the law books that point to the contrary. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547956/#p547956 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Asking for a law that directly supports racism to be provided feels like a deflection of arguments to me. As if you’re certain one does not exist and are attempting to use this to claim that racism is a thing of the past. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547956/#p547956 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Asking for a law that directly supports racism to be provided feels like a deflection of arguments to me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547956/#p547956 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Swigjr23, I'm sure that if I went digging, I could find a law that supports racism, if not directly than indirectly. I am absolutely certain of this. I can find laws in Canada that do the same.No, there are no more laws that are blatantly racist anymore. You don't see segregation the way you did in the 1960s, for instance, and thank goodness for that. But systemic racism still exists, and the way that laws are interpreted still lends itself well to racism. I'll give you one example of this (not the law itself, but cases involving law) which should demonstrate what I'm talking about.A black woman lied about her address so that her child could go to a better school. When she was caught, she was sentenced to five years in prison.A white woman bribed someone in order to help her daughter get a higher SAT score. She received a fine, and six months of jail time.This happens all the time, all over, and it isn't just race. Racism is still used in the judicial system to really throw the book at non-whites, at non-males, though again, we're working on it. But okay. Let's actually assume that no overtly racist laws exist anymore.However, that was never my point.My point is that regardless of the laws your country has, a whole crapton of its citizenry are still part of institutional or systemic racism. When a white woman calls the police and baldly lies to them about a black man because he had the temerity to tell her that she should leash her dog, that's racism. When a girl who falls asleep on a university couch has the police called on her because someone questioned whether she should be there (note: she was a student at that university), that's racism. When someone shoots a black man while he's jogging because he's wearing the wrong clothes, that's racism. When a white cop kneels on the back and neck of a black suspect while he pleads for his life, and won't move even when pleaded with to do so by bystanders, that's racism. Do you really think these things would happen to white people because they're white? No? I didn't think so either. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547953/#p547953 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @JaydeYou are correct. That was not a very well written or thought out post. You do have a right to your views whether you live in the United States or not. I do have one question for you. Can you point to a law in the United States that is racist or promotes racism? If you can't, then my orriginal point still stands. The United States is not racist country. We have laws that promote the higher of black people, so how does any of that make the United States a racist country? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547951/#p547951 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Swigjr23, if your country was small and inconsequential, it would be pretty silly of me to comment on what it is and isn't doing. There are a hundred plus countries that I almost never comment on, because they aren't busy smearing their drama all over the world stage.But like it or not, America is huge, loud and sort of everywhere. This means that people who don't live there are going to have opinions about it. And because info is everywhere, and because I see myself as someone who knows how to disseminate the good info from the bad, the reliable from the unreliable, this means that, surprise surprise, my opinion has a good chance of being valid.Don't like it? My suggestion is to get used to it. I'm not interested in tucking my head down and being meek. Know why? Because that's what allows things like busted democracy, right-wing propaganda, racism, sexism, classism, ableism and god knows what else to flourish. Obviously, my one opinion is not gonna change the world one way or the other; I recognize that. But please don't try to shame or silence me simply because I am not American.If you wanted to have a meaningful debate based on logic, that would be one thing. But almost the entirety of your post boils down to "butt out, you don't live here. And we don't have problems.". No, I don't live there; I live an hour from the border. Yes, you do have problems. Laws may be better than they've ever been, I'll give you that, but that doesn't mean they're perfect and it doesn't mean that racism doesn't exist.Now, don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying that all Americans are raging racists. Perish the thought. Many Americans are truly horrified by what's going on and are using their voices and their power to try and fix what's broken. But the country as a whole definitely has a racism problem.And guess what? So does Canada. I'm not going to pretend that my own country is perfect either. But that doesn't mean I can't condemn others. Wrong is wrong.Like it or not, white-dominated countries all over the world have considerable work to do where it comes to entrenched systemic racism. I know the most about Canada and the United States, so that's what I personally tend to focus on. If you are one of the deluded few that believes that America is not a racist country, I urge you to do a ton of research before waltzing in here with that opinion again. It's uninformed, it's self-serving and, worst of all, it's a bald-faced lie.1. Racial profiling still happens, ensuring that white people are never harassed due to skin colour while blacks are routinely forced to be conscious of the colour of their skin for no reason;2. Citizens sometimes shoot black people on suspicion without proof, and the police are routinely called on blacks for no reason;3. Police still kill folks during apprehensions where murder absolutely does not need to happen;4. Peculiarly, the numbers suggest this happens to blacks far more than other demographics, yet most people seem unwilling to talk about this fact;5. equal opportunity employment had to be forced into law because folks couldn't be trusted not to use discrimination in the employee selection process;6. Blacks are still often railroaded into certain parts of the city (the "ghetto" was not a mistake and it was not a black idea), and those neighbourhoods are often in logistically undesirable places (again, not an accident, this is redlining and city planning at its racist best);7. Worst of all, many Americans either do not know these problems exist, try to pretend they're not problems, or actively argue in favour of these things because they truly don't know what systemic racism is;So yeah, you go ahead and believe that your country isn't racist. While you're at it, you can also get started on your conspiracy theory that the sun is, in fact, revolving around the earth. See where that gets you.For my part, though, I'm ready to stare my own country's shortcomings straight in the face, because that's the only way I'm going to be any part of any possible solution which may exist. It saddens me that Canadian police perpetuate a white-centric agenda. It saddens me that many Canadians perpetuate casual racism and think it's okay (even in my own family, I see this all the time). It saddens me that people of colour have a bad habit of dying during wellness checks. It saddens me that the colour of your skin can apparently justify ill treatment on that basis in the first place. But rather than cringe away from reality, I want to fix it. How about you? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547945/#p547945 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Isn't Canada, like right next to the US?I hate to do this, but you're talking about Jayde telling you what your country needs. Have you ever stopped to think about America doing that to basically any and all other nations in the world? A good bit of hell holes in this world is either directly caused, or agitated more by the US. Look at Venezuela for example. If Jayde thinks that X politician is a good fit, that's his opinion. You shouldn't talk to him like tht, just because he gave an opinion. And even though its not written in your constitutions, that doesn't mean it isn't written in people's minds, hence the many racist faction in the US. But yule just come on and comment how I have no place to talk as my country literally dealt with Fascist destabilisation, but I can talk, because I have an opinion, which myself, and everybody in the world is entitled to. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547926/#p547926 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Isn't Canada, like right next to the US? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547926/#p547926 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I also forgot to mention this would be like our 2ND nation shaking event, in terms of a governmental/political turning point. The first would be the 1990 Muslim coo. Because yes, there couldhave been an islamic radicalist country in north America. Basically to summorise, the leader of a Jamat, Abu Barkar lead a small group that captured parliment, including the then Prime Minister. The country was under coo for like 2 days, then the defense force stepped in and he was toppled. Today he's still out and about making trouble. Not radicalist trouble, trouble like being suspected of rigging elections trouble. And when I say rigging elections, I mean like getting the muslim populations to vote for X party rigging the elections. But yep. No biggie. Then there was a period in the early 2010's where crime was like extremely rampant. There was a curfew and the army was on the streets. I was too young and I don't have much details on that but that's what I know. Then we come to now. Where a Fascist faction could rise to power. Hmm, Trinidad really is a strange place. We have Islamic radicalists, and Amerindian Fascists. LMAO. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547925/#p547925 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? What madness? It seems like this is a very wacky year! Apparently there was some kind of fascist uprising in Trinidad. Not an uprising persay, more like a forshadowing? Basically a fascist group paid folks to just cause chaos. What do i mean cause chaos? They tossed tires in the road, then burned them, they shot bullets into the ministry of legal affairs head office, and they robbed trucks. Several people were killed in the clash as well. They used the cover of the police killing 3 men, but they had their alterior motives. Its ashame people use this BLM movement to cause their own chaos. Let's just hope I don't end up living in some little Venezuela hell hole. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547921/#p547921 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I love how the guy from Canada tells me what my country needs. Just saying, you do not live here. The United States is not a racist country. The United States is one of the freest countries in the world. We were not always that way, but we fixf our mistakes. Today, no law in the United States stops someone from getting a job based on the color of their skin. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547922/#p547922 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? You guys need Bernie Sanders. Too bad you drove him out.I'm not a fan of Biden, but I'd rather have Biden than Trump. Hands down. No questions. I pretty much stopped accepting him as anything but a failure sometime last year, and some of the shit he's pulled this year has only made me more vocal and certain of my position.To bring this to a Covid-19 angle, there's a lovely but extremely long article in The Atlantic - I don't have the link on me right this minute - which talks about this. I believe it's titled "The three weeks that changed everything" or something like that; you should be able to google it. It is a detailed, relatively unbiased, accurate account of the American response to Covid-19, and it sort of made me die a little. I won't front-load it. Go read it. Seriously.Electoral systems in many democratic countries are straight-up broken, and serve only to prop up currently entrenched power structures. A whole lot of things need to change before western democracy actually does what it's supposed to do. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547820/#p547820 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? You know... ironically enough, Epic rap battles got it right when they said in one of their raps, "I'm so sick and tired of this ridiculous shit. If this is the best my party gets then my party should quit!" I know, I'm taking that line out of context, but I'd say its true for both parties. I seriously don't get it: America has over 300 million people. Out of those 300 plus million people, we only get 2 people running for the national presidency? Seriously? Are we so apathetic that we can't even out the playing field and get people in office who actually are intelligent and care about the nation? Like seriously, come on! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547787/#p547787 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? You know... ironically enough, Epic rap battles got it right when they said in one of their raps, "I'm so sick and tired of this ridiculous shit. If this is the best my party gets then my party should quit!" I know, I'm takingthat line out of context, but I'd say its true for both parties. I seriously don't get it: America has over 300 million people. Out of those 300 plus million people, we only get 2 people running for the national presidency? Seriously? Are we so apathetic that we can't even out the playing field and get people in office who actually are intelligent and care about the nation? Like seriously, come on! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547787/#p547787 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? You know, I used to agree with Trump's presidency, back when I listened to old Republicans. But as I've matured over the past few years, and became a little luny this year due to being at home for more than three months with nowhere to go – this should get better since I'm on vacation living with my grandparents for the last week and this week – ... what was I going to say? Ah yes, now I have seen many conservatives and "Republicans" for the absolute snobs they are. I'm not saying that Democrats are any better, calling people "trumptards" and equally demeaning things, so I'm not affiliated with either party. Joe is out of touch with his senses, it seems, and Trump is out of touch with what normal Americans want, dragging conservatives and Republicans down his "gotta pay them Democrats back, gotta get revenge, gotta get power!" narrative. And I think we all know what happens when the government gets too much power, and just can't wait to start using it. For me at least, I'm just so tired of hearing about politics and both sides "getting one over" on each other in their stupid games of threats and scandals and empty promises. They focus on each other, our two parties, fighting over which one actually knows what most Americans want, while Google and Facebook joyfully suck up more data and grow grow grow, even bigger than I am, lol. They fight and Howell in rage while at least this American just wants them to shut up and do their job that we elected them for. But no, it's just all a game to these empty-headed politicians, them trying to look good to whatever group they pander to now: the Republicans to Conservative and Christian voters and those who feel "patriotic," and the Democrats to the people who want change and difference and a better world for everyone. Eventually though, they'll have to actually start doing things, like the companies who've tried to help in the small ways they know how, by changing the names of brands to be more inclusive. I'm glad people are demanding things directly of governors and elected officials. Now we get to see if they truly are for change, or if they always were simply made up of hot air, and the world will see that, too. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547769/#p547769 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? yeah well, sadly, that's why Trump will get reelected. I've pretty much resigned myself to that fact, though I hate it with every ounce of my being. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547763/#p547763 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I agree. If he is not fit he needs to drop out. If Joe truly loves this country, he would drop out for the good of the country. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547621/#p547621 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? If my country, America, gets Biden as its next president, then I assure you it won't be Biden that will actually be leading as he is, quite literally nowadays, not mentally fit to do so. If you listen to him real carefully you'll pick up on the fact that he has absolutely no clue of what he is saying. In many cases over the past half year or so, he couldn't even remember many thing like what he was running for, or even what state he was in. I do agree that Trump is not perfect by any stretch, but if we get Biden then I will not acknowledge him as the president, pure and simply. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547604/#p547604 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? According to the official narrative, this "pandemic" will be over in approximately 18 months when we'll have a vaccine. That means two years of governments having complete control over their citizens. I will make sure to share a beer with you if this all ends and we'll return to the lives we used to have before. Make sure you remind me:) All this coronavirus thing has done so much bad for me and my family. I was going to apply for Canada visa this summer ... but not now though. Hope next year I will manage to cross borders unlimitedly URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547462/#p547462 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? The Indian system is a combination of multiple constitutions around the world. The central government is elected in every 5 years once. The majority wins, in case where there's no majority, they may coalesce. The state elections are also held once in 5 years. But most of the important policies are with the center. So, we have 2 main parties, Indian national Congress; which is currently struggling due to lack of proper leadership, and the Bhartiya Janata Party also translated as "the Indian People's Party"; which is currently ruling and the prime minister is also from the ruling party.Everyone above the age of 18 gets to vote in every election. However, in the rural parts of India, this is often turned around and people vote for whoever handing out cash to them. This is serious corruption and because there's inefficiency in law and order system, this is often left unchecked. There's lack of infrastructure too. Let me give an example. In last state elections, when I went to vote, there was a braille voting machine in front of me, but no braille reference sheet for telling me which number of buttons is for which party. So, someone did come and explain the numbers and to what party they correspond, at the time of actual voting however, I forgot the numbers and have to guess which number to press. Can you imagine, I didn't know who I voted for when I pressed the button. This is not common and in central elections, they did give me the braille reference sheet.The Indian National Congress party could be regarded as the leftwing party, but this is not in the western sense. Because more of this is due to religion. And sadly, Religion plays a very big and dirty role in Indian politics. Moreover, Casts are politicized too. Because BJP identifies with a national Hindu group called Rastriya Swayam Seva Sangh, and because BJPs origins are in that group, it is regarded as right wing. In case of politics, both of these parties do enact liberal policies so that is debatable. Congress however, due to its hand in few Religious happenings, it becomes difficult to determine who's left and who's right. Actually, when it's about vote-bank, everyone becomes left and everyone becomes right and everyone becomes center too. That's the way Indian politics works. So, if 1 party does something wrong in so and so term and if people get really angry, you would have pretty good idea about who's being elected next.Currently, BJP is doing so many things wrong, and INC is not showing strong leadership too. So, if someone wanted to come up with a political party and break the duopoly, now would be the right time. The Aam Admi Party, which is currently ruling in the state of Delhi, have shown promising leadership and policies. However, they really lack the manpower and capital to go all out and participate throughout the nation in the next elections. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/537686/#p537686 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? The Indian system is a combination of multiple constitutions around the world. The central government is elected in every 5 years once. The majority wins, in case where there's no majority, they may coalesce. The state elections are also held once in 5 years. But most of the important policies are with the center. So, we have 2 main parties, Indian national Congress; which is currently struggling due to lack of proper leadership, and the Bhartiya Janata Party also translated as "the Indian People's Party"; which is currently ruling and the prime minister is also from the ruling party.Everyone above the age of 18 gets to vote in every election. However, in the rural parts of India, this is often turned around and people vote for whoever handing out cash to them. This is serious corruption and because there's inefficiency in law and order system, this is often left unchecked. There's lack of infrastructure too. Let me give an example. In last state elections, when I went to vote, there was a braille voting machine in front of me, but no braille reference sheet for telling me which number of buttons is for which party. So, someone did come and explain the numbers and to what party they correspond, at the time of actual voting however, I forgot the numbers and have to guess which number to press. Can you imagine, I didn't know who I voted for when I pressed the button. This is not common and in central elections, they did give me the braille reference sheet.The Indian National Congress party could be regarded as the leftwing party, but this is not in the western sense. Because more of this is due to religion. And sadly, Religion plays a very big and dirty role in Indian politics. Moreover, Casts are politicized too. Because BJP identifies with a national Hindu group called Rastriya Swayam Seva Sangh, and because BJPs origins are in that group, it is regarded as right wing. In case of politics, both of these parties do enact liberal policies so that is debatable. Congress however, due to its hand in few Religious happenings, it becomes difficult to determine who's left and who's right. Actually, when it's about vote-bank, everyone becomes left and everyone becomes right and everyone becomes center too. That's the way Indian politics works. So, if 1 party does something wrong in so and so term and if people get really agree, you would have pretty good idea about who's being elected next.Currently, BJP is doing so many things wrong, and INC is not showing strong leadership too. So, if someone wanted to come up with a political party and break the duopoly, now would be the right time. The Aam Admi Party, which is currently ruling in the state of Delhi, have shown promising leadership and policies. However, they really lack the manpower and capital to go all out and participate throughout the nation in the next elections. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/537686/#p537686 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? The Indian system is a combination of multiple constitutions around the world. The central government is elected in every 5 years once. The majority wins, in case where there's no majority, they may coalesce. The state elections are also held once in 5 years. But most of the important policies are with the center. So, we have 2 main parties, Indian national Congress; which is currently struggling due to lack of proper leadership, and the Bhartiya Janata Party also translated as "the Indian People's Party"; which is currently ruling and the prime minister is also from the ruling party.Everyone above the age of 18 gets to vote in every election. However, in the rural parts of India, this is often turned around and people vote for whoever handing out cash to them. This is serious corruption and because there's inefficiency in law and order system, this is often left unchecked. There's lack of infrastructure too. Let me give an example. In last state elections, when I went to vote, there was a braille waiting machine in front of me, but no braille reference sheet for telling me which number of buttons is for which party. So, someone did come and explain the numbers and to what party they correspond, at the time of actual waiting however, I forgot the numbers and have to guess which number to press. Can you imagine, I didn't know who I voted for when I pressed the button. This is not common and in central elections, they did give me the braille reference sheet.The Indian National Congress party could be regarded as the leftwing party, but this is not in the western sense. Because more of this is due to religion. And sadly, Religion plays a very big and dirty role in Indian politics. Moreover, Casts are politicized too. Because BJP identifies with a national Hindu group called Rastriya Swayam Seva Sangh, and because BJPs origins are in that group, it is regarded as right wing. In case of politics, both of these parties do enact liberal policies so that is debatable. Congress however, due to its hand in few Religious happenings, it becomes difficult to determine who's left and who's right. Actually, when it's about vote-bank, everyone becomes left and everyone becomes right and everyone becomes center too. That's the way Indian politics works. So, if 1 party does something wrong in so and so term and if people get really agree, you would have pretty good idea about who's being elected next.Currently, BJP is doing so many things wrong, and INC is not showing strong leadership too. So, if someone wanted to come up with a political party and break the duopoly, now would be the right time. The Aam Admi Party, which is currently ruling in the state of Delhi, have shown promising leadership and policies. However, they really lack the manpower and capital to go all out and participate throughout the nation in the next elections. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/537686/#p537686 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? The Indian system is a combination of multiple constitutions around the world. The central government is elected in every 5 years once. The majority wins, in case where there's no majority, they may coalesce. The state elections are also held once in 5 years. But most of the important policies are with the center. So we have 2 main parties, Indian national Congress; which is currently strugling due to lack of proper leadership, and the Bhartiya Janata Party also translated as "the Indian People's Party"; which is currently ruling and the prime ministor is also from the ruling party.the Indian National Congress party could be regarded as the leftwing party, but, this is not in the western sence. Because more of this is due to religion. And sadly, Religion plays a very big and dirty role in Indian politics. Moreover, Casts are politicized too. Because BJP identifies with a national Hindu group called Rashtriya Swayam Seva Sangh, and because BJPs origins are in that group, it is regarded as rightwing. In case of politics, Both of these parties do enact liberal policies so that is debatable. Congress however, due to it's hand in few Religious happenings, it becomes dificult to determine who's left and who's right. Actually, when it's about voatbank, everyone becomes left and everyone becomes right and everyone becomes center too. That's the way Indian politics works. So if 1 party does something wrong in so and so term and if people get realy angree, you would have pritty good idea about who's being elected next.Currently, BJP is doing so many things wrong, and INC is not showing strong leadership too. So if someone wanted to come up with a political party and break the duopoly, now would be the right time. The Aam Admi Party, which is currently ruling in the state of Delhi, have shown promising leadership and policies. However, they realy lack the manpower and capital to go all out and participate through out the nation in the next elections. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/537686/#p537686 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2020-06-05
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? The little I know the Grrman system sounds fair and I wish we had it here. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/537644/#p537644 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Hi.in Germany we have general elections every 4 years. Every citisen of the cuntry who is in the legal age for voting can do so.We have about 4 to 5 partys which are top candidates for the next governing cycle, we have the left (die Linke), the conservatives (CDU and their sister party the CSU) the green party (Bündniss 90 die grünen), the right (AFD) and the social party (SPD).After elections are done and the votes are counted, partys then receive a number of seats in the Bundestag, depending on how many votes they have.After that, partys decide on who will be cooperating with whom the next 4 years, the governing coolition has to hold the majority in the Bundestag, mostly we have the CDU and SPD cooperating, but in the last the green party and the AFD got into the fray, one can just hope that the AFD never gets into a governing parliament.We also have a bunch of minority partys, but they are mostly not important and don't receive any sort of news coverage or anything else.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/537613/#p537613 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2020-06-05
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Same thing here, only every 4 years we have local elections, which noone cares about, then 5 we have general elections where we elect the Prime Minister. Sadly our politics are based n race. With PNM being the African party, and the UNC being the indian party.To tell you how fucking bad it is, I asked my neighbour which party he was voting. He said PNM. So, here's the kicker. Whose the candidate for the. Area? He didn't know. So I tried to prove to him its bullshit by asking him, what if the MP was a dictator? Then he said stop talking stupidness. Hes 63 so I couldn't push further URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/537576/#p537576 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Yes, it's different. Every four years, there's a national election where one of two parties will get elected. Each party has a single candidate by election time who will become president if their party wins. The American system actually has more than two parties, but nobody ever really pays attention to the others. In Canada, it's similar, but there are three or four parties who get attention, and a fifth that sometimes surprises folks. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/537523/#p537523 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I don't know how it works in America, but in South Africa we had a president who was hated by a vast majority of the population who still got reelected because the party has majority support. So someone doesn't need to get popular approval, they just need to win the internal party election. But I think americans vote for their presidents directly so the dynamics might be different there. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/537503/#p537503 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? If Trump gets back in this November, I will be shocked and appalled by whosoever votes him in.Seriously. Using rubber bullets and tear gas on peaceful protestors so he can pose in front of a church with a bible for photos? Get fucking real.So at this point, I feel more as if this whole situation is, rather than having been engineered to break things, simply making stuff very, very clear. A lot of people could sorta hand-wave republicans and Trump and others before now, but as covid-19 got serious, it became apparent that social safety nets weren't in place and that big corporations were going to plead for bailouts. When protests happened because of George Floyd, it put the lie to a whole lot of people who claim to see everyone equally. Clearly they don't, and this just proves it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/537381/#p537381 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? and has anyone given the thought of why all of this chaos, violence, disorder and so on is happening close to elections? and actually has been since?its just terrible that the more division that is caused, the more successful a certain campaign will be. It works like this for almost every country out there, just that the media will only show parts of things.And true, this whole race equality thing is a big lie when you take a closer look at it all (and I am white) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/537243/#p537243 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I did read it, Jaidon. I have no issue with you. Nor with Enes or anyone like that. I was just putting a last nail in the coffin of all of swigjr23's arguments, that's all. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536785/#p536785 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2020-06-03
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Jayde, didnt you read out my entire post? It was a rhetorical question, and I agree with you a hundred percent. If people dont make their voices heard it won't be. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536573/#p536573 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I think it's important to draw a line here.If you take the situation apart, and put each piece into its own separate arena, then what you have is racism in one zone, and property damage in another.They're both wrong. We can debate how wrong each of them are, but they're both fundamentally hurting someone. Either hurting that person's livelihood under capitalism, or hurting their freedom to live.The problem is, the real world isn't a series of bubbles or separate zones. It's a hot mess. Everything gets stirred in with everything else. So you cannot disconnect racism from protests in this instance.I find it interesting that very few people of colour in my life have gotten really upset about the protests. The closest they've come is to say that too much violence and too much damage is counterproductive, and I agree there.Most of the people getting upset about the protests - not all, but most, in my experience - are white. That is significant. Go ahead, think about that. I'll wait.But on a different note, who decides how much is too much?It seems that most right-leaning people have decided that any violence, any damage, any burst of outrage, is too much. And why? Because it's easier to blame someone and to consequently dismiss their issues than it is to stare your own problems in the face and admit that they exist. Because doing that would mean that you have to do something about it. And starting down that road means accepting that most of the systems that prop you up are only doing so because they're directly or indirectly keeping others down. And I dunno about you, but while I'm quite sure there are right-leaning people of colour out there, I bet you the fair majority of them are white.Noticing a trend here?When people of colour start reacting strongly about an issue, white people have to get their damn voices in there too.When people of colour do some damage because they're sick and tired of being oppressed, and they and their allies show some anger, it's white people who once again get to cry foul and howl the loudest.Let me say this really bluntly, just once, for all the folks in the back who maybe aren't listening. Pick up your ears.It's not. About. Us.For once in our fucking history, the anger, the change, the upheaval, is not about white people. It's about setting right a thing that shouldn't ever have been wrong in the first place. Whites have had hundreds of years - yes, literally, hundreds of years - to enforce their will upon people of colour. When sly subversions didn't work, they resorted to violence extremely quickly. Revolts were suppressed. Doctors suggested that not wanting to be a slave was a medical condition and should be punished with forced infantilism and repeated physical abuse and torture. Housing projects were destroyed and people lost their homes. Blacks were relocated to less desirable parts of the neighbourhood. In America alone, did you know that "we the people" did not include people of colour in any way until the end of 1865? That's nearly a hundred years of your country's history where you didn't even acknowledge these people as people. And the white world at large has since spent another hundred and fifty years or so taking every friggin' excuse in the book to drag their heels.When you protest the rioters, you are dragging your heels.We know they're doing harm. We know that harm can be problematic. We know all of that. Stop trying to deflect from the larger issue.Lives matter more than property.People matter more than their goods.And if you cannot get it through your heads that this is the way it should be, then you are part of the problem. I consider myself an ally, and I have no trouble whatsoever in calling out bad behaviour when I see it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536557/#p536557 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Ok, so the topic on the small businesses and people losing their jobs with covid-19. That isn't a legit protest at all. None of those people actually had most of their damages and livelyhoods taken away because of covid-19. The heart of the problem is lack of a comprehensive safety net for situations like these. If you lose your job, or business because of a pandemic, you should be given state aid, and financial assistance to weather the storm until the pandemic is over, not like a joke of 1200 dollars Trump thought only appropriate some receive after weeks of waiting.With the Floid protests, I find it really ironic republicans are really quick to focus on the looting, while sweeping all the racist acts, and the impossibility of achieving change by these people by normal means. Seriously what did you expect to happen when this man was murdered in broad daylight, on video? That is a show of impunity, and is basicly saying, I am immune, will never be prosicuted for this, no matter what you do. It is natural that a response would occur to such an act. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536511/#p536511 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Look up Christian Cooper. He wasn't killed, and the police actually sided with him, but he had the cops called on him because he dared to tell a white woman in Central Park that her dog needed to be leashed. That's racism, just not cop-started racism.I trust I don't have to talk to you about George Floyd.You should really do some research about what racism is, and how a lot of times, people who engage in it get away with it. Not all the time, not by any stretch, but it does happen.Tell me something. Let's say you were walking down the street, minding your beeswax, and an officer told you to stop, asked you who you were and what you were doing, was rude with you when you asked what the matter was. Would this make you feel kind of annoyed, maybe even a little shitty or guilty because you're taught that the police only investigate when there's something wrong? I guarantee you that people of colour in Canada and perhaps more so in the United States deal with this worry every. single. day. I've heard literally dozens of them of my acquaintance say that it's not a matter of -IF they will be stopped by a cop, but -WHEN.I'm white. You know how many times I've been stopped by a cop? not. Fucking. Once. Gee, I wonder why that is. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536507/#p536507 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2020-06-02
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Well what's your definition of racism? Peaceful protests, they get gased.Isn't that a chemical weapon sorta?Look, I'm sure it's easy to brush it off as a white person, because it most likely never effected you, but let me tell you something. I was called a stupid blind nigga in school, and it isn't nice. That feeling that for some reason folks find you less than them, that feeling about what next? Will I be beaten? Will people critise me, the nigga for having higher Mark's than the? For many folks in the states, they have to worry about being pulled over for medicine, for asking the same officer for his badge, then to be shot.It sucks, those persons are having stuff, destroyed, and yes what some folks are doing is fucking wrong, but killing a man because hes different than he is, is a sin. Its evil, it's disgusting. Fucking driving a giant truck into a crowd is terrible. Besting up the media on live tv just goes to show. And frankly, by you only looking at 9 murders, ignores the struggles of black folks going to the park, getting a job, etc is disingenuous of your, and it makes you look like a simpathiser URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536489/#p536489 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? What evidence do you have that they are being treated like criminals? 9 African Americans were killed by police in 2019. THAT doesn't look like racism to me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536486/#p536486 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? But when they protest, they are still treated like criminals. When they march, when they rally, when they shout. They're too loud. They're a nuisance. They're too angry. They're in the way. They're inconvenient. But they're not criminals. It doesn't stop the public criticizing them, and it doesn't stop the police using rubber bullets, tear gas and riot batons to get their way.In a perfect, neutral, everything-is-equal world, yes, looting and rioting would be a bad idea, selfish and pointless.But when you live in a world where all of your other actions can get you treated like a guilty person or a criminal, what else can you do but eventually escalate? Everything else doesn't work.To be really fucking blunt for a sec? For a lot of these folks, the police are already treating them like criminals, so what's the actual difference? It's not as if law enforcement has needed a probable cause before now. It's not as if they've ever really been held accountable en masse.Remember, we're agreeing with the idea that harm is being done, and that harm is bad. We agree that it really sucks that this is happening. But if all you do is treat these rioters like criminals, you are ignoring the reason most of them were rioting in the first place.Also, given that most places had by-laws of large gatherings, should we also treat the so-called haircut protestors like criminals and fine or temporarily jail them all? Because, yeah, good luck with that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536478/#p536478 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @JaydeI think we are going to have to disagree on this. When people protest peacefully, they are protesters. When they loot, they are not protesters any more. They are criminals, and they should be treated as such. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536457/#p536457 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I don't feel a particular need to avoid commenting on what I see. Canada is right next to the United States. I've been there. I've talked to Americans. Racism is real. I won't come over the border to fix your problem, but you -do have a problem.And as I also pointed out, so do we. Canadians have issues with racism too. It's not just America, not by any stretch. If you think I'm under the delusion that all Canadians are saintly, think again.But if you expect a free pass just because I'm not an American and apparently don't have a right to judge your country? That's a big hail no.Yes, in fact, I do know several small business owners. Thankfully, none of them have been directly affected by these protests. But because I'm good at knowing my reaction to things, I can tell you what I'd do. I would support them however I could. I'd commiserate. I'd console them, because it sucks losing things for reasons that don't concern your own actions. But I would never, ever walk into a post about racism and start demonizing protestors. Because these protestors, or, more accurately, the issues they represent, are bigger than small business. They're bigger than my friends. These issues are tearing the country apart.Again, the harm isn't good. We agree on this. But in perspective, the harm is drops of water in the ocean that is the main issue here. If you shoot and kill an innocent, that puts you about on a level with Derek Chauvin. But if all you do is throw a torch or a brick, or steal a TV from Target, you're on a much, much lower level here.The fact that you are equating objects and property with human lives is frankly discouraging and disgusting.And no. You're right. Your hair-cut-seeking protestors didn't get violent. They didn't have to. They just jacked up the infection rates and endangered people. They didn't even have to throw punches or Molotov cocktails to do that. All they had to do was decide that their right to a fucking haircut mattered more than public safety. And that's what they did, by god. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536447/#p536447 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @JaydeYou are right that people were protesting because their businesses were shutdown and they wanted to reopen. Do you know what they were not doing? They didn't go around looting, shooting at police, or beating innocent people. I would also like to ask you a question. Have you ever owned a business or known someone who did? If you did, maybe you would understand. It isn't just a few windows, people have put their entire life savings in to these businesses, and now it is gone. That money has to come from somewhere, and insurance will only cover so much.I also find it interesting how you say how racist the United States is, but you live in Canada, so you can stop telling me how racist my country is. I don't comment on Canada because I don't live there. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536438/#p536438 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I am always amazed that the most vulnerable in society, the elderly, are usually the ones without masks. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536436/#p536436 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? The entire law enforcement system has racism running through it like poison. There are plenty of good people involved - good cops, good judges, good prison guards, the whole shebang - but the system itself has all kinds of problems with it.If you don't believe America is racist, take a look at this:A black man shoots a white person, clips him, and gets something like twenty-two years in jail.On the flip side, less than 2% of police who murder people are ever convicted of criminal charges.That is the fault of a system which, like it or not, uses race as a determinant of personal quality.You yourself may not be racist. I applaud you for this. I'm not racist either. But your country is racist, and so is mine, and we have to learn to fix it. Racism is better than it used to be, but it's not anywhere near done yet. Don't try and shove it under the rug, and don't let anyone else do it either.We agree that the harm dealt by some rioters is not good. But we don't agree on the scope of that harm. On one side, you have some businesses being trashed. On the other side, you have decades of unpunished abused and murder. Are you seriously going to waste your time condemning the rioters and protestors when there is so, so much to be upset about on the other side? Stuff which, let's be real, pretty much led us directly to the current state of affairs in the first place?Socialism isn't failing Venezuela. Totalitarianism and greed are failing Venezuela. Same goes for virtually every other socialist or communist country you can name. The fact that humans have tried to go totalitarian pretty much every time doesn't mean that this is an intrinsic part of the process. It only looks that way.Remember: the political compass has more than one axis.On a more Covid-related point, BTW, I'm pretty well disgusted with people who have been congregating in big groups in parks. Seriously? The moment people start talking about opening up, and you're in a group in the park partying? Great idea. Absolutely fucking brilliant.Oh and also, to neatly circle around to protests for a second:White people were pretty recently protesting because they couldn't get haircuts. They went out in packs, risking their own lives as well as those of others, during a pandemic, because they couldn't get their fucking hair cut. Now stand that up next to the rioting around George Floyd's death. You tell me which one looks worse now And after you're done chewing on that, ask yourself why you're so bound and determined to demonize protestors who are calling out racism as they see it, even when that means showing anger and maybe breaking some things along the way. Are you guilty, perhaps? Are you ashamed? Are you maybe just a little bit flabbergasted? Are you maybe wishing all this nonsense would just go away? Do you have no idea what all the god-damned fuss is about and think people are just too angry?Welcome to dismantling racism, where I tell you that if you're a white person who has any of those aforementioned feelings, you are indirectly contributing to the issue if all you want to do is shout about them gosh-dang protestors. Educate yourself. Be stronger, be accountable, and hold those around you accountable. Stop making excuses. Stop throwing up smokescreens. Accept complicitude, and let's get busy fixing this broken machine before it explodes. If you're American, this will certainly mean getting Blabbermouth Don out of office in November. And Mr. Biden's no peach, but he's got to be better than the current shit-show. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536420/#p536420 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? The entire law enforcement system has racism running through it like poison. There are plenty of good people involved - good cops, good judges, good prison guards, the whole shebang - but the system itself has all kinds of problems with it.If you don't believe America is racist, take a look at this:A black man shoots a white person, clips him, and gets something like twenty-two years in jail.On the flip side, less than 2% of police who murder people are ever convicted of criminal charges.That is the fault of a system which, like it or not, uses race as a determinant of personal quality.You yourself may not be racist. I applaud you for this. I'm not racist either. But your country is racist, and so is mine, and we have to learn to fix it. Racism is better than it used to be, but it's not anywhere near done yet. Don't try and shove it under the rug, and don't let anyone else do it either.We agree that the harm dealt by some rioters is not good. But we don't agree on the scope of that harm. On one side, you have some businesses being trashed. On the other side, you have decades of unpunished abused and murder. Are you seriously going to waste your time condemning the rioters and protestors when there is so, so much to be upset about on the other side? Stuff which, let's be real, pretty much led us directly to the current state of affairs in the first place?Socialism isn't failing Venezuela. Totalitarianism and greed are failing Venezuela. Same goes for virtually every other socialist or communist country you can name. The fact that humans have tried to go totalitarian pretty much every time doesn't mean that this is an intrinsic part of the process. It only looks that way.Remember: the political compass has more than one axis.On a more Covid-related point, BTW, I'm pretty well disgusted with people who have been congregating in big groups in parks. Seriously? The moment people start talking about opening up, and you're in a group in the park partying? Great idea. Absolutely fucking brilliant.Oh and also, to neatly circle around to protests for a second:White people were pretty recently protesting because they couldn't get haircuts. They went out in packs, risking their own lives as well as those of others, during a pandemic, because they couldn't get their fucking hair cut. Now stand that up next to the rioting around George Floyd's death. You tell me which one looks worse now And after you're done chewing on that, ask yourself why you're so bound and determined to demonize protestors who are calling out racism as they see it, even when that means showing anger and maybe breaking some things along the way. Are you guilty, perhaps? Are you ashamed? Are you maybe just a little bit flabbergasted? Are you maybe wishing all this nonsense would just go away? Do you have no idea what all the god-damned fuss is about and think people are just too angry?Welcome to dismantling racism, where I tell you that if you're a white person who has any of those aforementioned feelings, you are indirectly contributing to the issue. Educate yourself. Be stronger, be accountable, and hold those around you accountable. Stop making excuses. Stop throwing up smokescreens. Accept complicitude, and let's get busy fixing this broken machine before it explodes. If you're American, this will certainly mean getting Blabbermouth Don out of office in November. And Mr. Biden's no peach, but he's got to be better than the current shit-show. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536420/#p536420 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @545 If only one percent of this country was racist, I suspect our commander and chief‘s approval rating would be a little more reflective of that percentage. I'm sorry, but by this point no one has any excuse for supporting him Or his administration and the actions they take anymore wile claiming they are not racist. We know what he’s about, we know what his administration is about, so just take the cat out of the bag already. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536413/#p536413 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @545 If only one percent of this country was racist, I suspect our commander and chief‘s approval rating would be a little more reflective of that percentage. I'm sorry, but by this point no one has any excuse for supporting him anymore wile claiming they are not racist. we know what he’s about, we know what his administration is about, so just take the cat out of the bag already. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536413/#p536413 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @Jayde,Being angry or whatever does not give anyone the right to loot and destroy people's livlihoods. The looters are destroying businesses owned by their own people. What does that shoe store down the street have to do with the death of a man killed by police?These looters are not worth anyone's time. If you loot, you should be at the very least arrested and charged. The United States is not racist! We have a few racist people around, but 99 percent of the people are not racist. I am personally disgusted by the death of George Floyd, but I know that is the exception rather than the rule. I won't debate you on capitalism because you have your opinion and I have mine. I will just say take a visit to Venezuela and tell me how great Socialism is. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536402/#p536402 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2020-06-02
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Jaidon Of the Caribbean via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Adding to what Jayde said, you can buy back the police cars, windows, you can replace all those things, but you cant buy George back to life, or all the black folks that were wrongly killed, or the Latinos or muslims, or Jews or all the minorities who had their lives cut short. Yes it's wrong to steal, or burn stuff, but don't you think what happened in Minisota was infinitely worse? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536357/#p536357 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Actually, I disagree with you there. Here's why.So, first things first. There are absolutely people who are part of this for the wrong reasons. I won't pretend otherwise; that would be foolish. Some rioters are breaking and taking because they want to, and that's the end of it.But I think you simplify all rioters into that same camp at your own peril.Yes, here comes a short capitalism rant.Capitalism is a tool of oppression. People say it's necessary, but it's really only about two hundred and fifty years old, and we got along pretty well without it. It's led to the systemic oppression of billions, while a few reap the benefits.Why does this matter, you ask? Simple.Big businesses, cops, infrastructure are all essentially just outgrowths of capitalism. Some people who are protesting what happens to people of colour are just sick and tired of the way the machine grinds them down. Now they're fighting back. One of the most visible ways you can do this is by doing things like breaking windows, stealing stuff, and even setting fires. It's a tangible, physical fuck-you to the man, basically, and it's provoked by a whole lot of anger, and decades of people telling them that all their other forms of protestation were wrong somehow.So I'm not going to sit here and tell you that it's totally okay when rioters burn things down and destroy people's livelihoods. It's not. But stop and think a moment. Is it really equal to the systemic oppression we see and experience every day? Put them next to each other. Is Derek Chauvin, the man who killed George Floyd, equally guilty to the dude who hurls a brick through a window?Spin it another way, and you can look at rioting and looting as a manifestation of consequences. People have been harassed, shot, killed, beaten, brutalized, profiled and otherwise treated badly for decades. I think I read a statistic somewhere that said less than two percent of police who murder people of colour are ever brought up on charges. This means, in essence, that despite all the peaceful protests and attempts to improve our justice systems, bad shit keeps happening. Well, finally some people had enough, and now the physical damage is occurring. It took awhile, and it'll die out, and then it'll come back and happen again I'm sure before we see progress, but when you push the people in a system hard enough, eventually they push back.To be entirely clear here, I don't condine violence against innocent people. Any rioter who deliberately hurts an innocent person directly is basically no different than Mr. Chauvin. My understanding is that most protestors, even the louder, angrier ones, tried to limit the damage they did to people, and made a point to only damage property.In military terms, I'd consider this as collateral damage, something you want to minimize but which, under the circumstances, was bound to happen.So really take a minute and think about these protestors. Don't just write them off and condemn them. Ask yourself what realistic other options there are. When you try and protest peacefully, sometimes you're shot with rubber bullets by police. When you block traffic, you're a public nuisance. When you try to change laws, people in power, who have more resources than you do, simply block you out, shut you down. When you shout, you're told that you shouldn't be so angry. So what the hell else is there? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536320/#p536320 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? The protests themselves are completely called for. Serious action against division and racism not only in America, but globally has been a long time coming. It's just so sad that there are these individuals who will use such a just cause for their own gain, which in turn weakens the cause itself. I'm sure none of the looters and vandals are looting and vandalizing because Floid got killed or because African Americans need more rights. They're just taking advantage of the situation and don't care what damage they do to any of these movements. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536208/#p536208 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? well, turns out that the supposed anonymous comeback is just a big, attention grabbing desperate publicity scam.. they just redacted (fabricated) documents and linked trump to things, and linked other random crap just to divide and confuse people... and if everyone wants change to happen, disorganization, destabilization and opposing sides is the worst recipe for that the succeed. There is just a lot more going on at stake here than just riots and diseases and so on. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536185/#p536185 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2020-06-02
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : KenshiraTheTrinity via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Yeah, completely agree. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536143/#p536143 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I live in the United States, and my take on this is, if you break in to stores and take things, that is a crime and you should be put in jail. You can protest all you like, but when you start damaging property, I don't have any sympathy for you. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536121/#p536121 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2020-06-02
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Some people are definitely just taking advantage of the unrest here. One of the YouTubers I follow showed us a video of people looting and it looked like the looters were having a ball. The protesters are right to stand up against the corruption. I only worry that this will start another round of infection, then it will be back to square 1 again. Ok well I worry about a lot more besides this. It's just crazy how an incident in a city miles away snowball into something all accross the country. I hear that people are looting in parts of Canada as well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536114/#p536114 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2020-06-02
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Some people are definitely just taking advantage of the unrest here. One of the YouTubers I follow showed us a video of people looting and it looked like the looters were having a ball. The protesters are right to stand up against the corruption. I only worry that this will start another round of infection, then it will be back to square 1 again. Ok well I worry about a lot more besides this. It's just crazy how an incident in a city miles away snowed into something all accross the country. I hear that people are looting in parts of Canada as well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536114/#p536114 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2020-06-02
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Jaidon Of the Caribbean via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? My second world country opened retail businesses, and boy was the road buys. God damn it? How does people find the drive to kil for such reason? Do they get some kind of commission for every "nigga" they kil? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536055/#p536055 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? In India, Middle-class and the salaried class is at a bit of respite as offices are reopening. However, the numbers are rising and even though recovery rate has improoved, the rate at which people are being infected is not coming down. So, it remains to see if it's really a respite or a bad move in disguise.Poor however, and there are lot of them, they are dying. Internal migration which was caused by uneven development has caused these migrants to cramble for whatever they have and run away from cities, either on trains or on foot. I hope world looks at development from a new angle after this. Do we want people crammed in polluted cities or we want them to enjoy there lives at their homes. Besides that, China and Nepal are creating tensions along the borders, due to which, some anger and unrest among population. is rising. Seriously, we can't find a worst time than this to fight a war over a stupid border at the altitude of 17000 feets above in those mountains. Why don't countries sort out the "virus in the worldly room" first, why these political moves in these difficult times. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/536043/#p536043 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? agreed with #534. Hopefully a better president of the US is elected in November. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/535999/#p535999 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I think the US protests are a melting pot of many issues that are forgotten, resurfaced, and forgotten again in a horrible cycle. There are lots of examples of unjust violence against african americans where after huge protests started. This time though it looks to be particularly big. But I think Corona also threw some heat on the fire since so many people lost their income and can't provide food for themselves or their families, plus the disaster that is the trump administration at this point. One good thing out of this situation will probably be that everyone will blaim the current administration for most of this, and will wash trump out of office in November.Where virus things are concerned, we have about 350 cases only now, most things are reopened, and naturally everyone's now saying that we were too draconian when actually we did exactly what was required. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/535980/#p535980 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? well, I would not come to update on the virus, but I think all of this recent situation, is probably bring or tip the world closer to a lot of chaos... I am talking about all that happened in the united states... with George Floyd... now suddenly the world is making connections, to other things and the leaked documents by the anonymous group are showing things that apparently they should not and many people are just become angrier and angrier, everywhere (can say this because i have friends from several parts of the world and their social media posts reflect so)which goes to show you how everything could change in a matter of days. Here cases are supposedly 22000, and now its being said that the virus arrived a month before it was reported. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/535819/#p535819 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? in india the cases have crossed the mark of 10 and that worries me a lot I think Educational institutions in our country won't open before september URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/531220/#p531220 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Hi.Sooo everyone, I hope you all got your daily injection of disinfectant for today, we all know that this will help stop spreading the disease don't we?On another note, Germany will decide on a future course next week. I'm quite happy that we actually have a health care system that works quite well and for everyone. And no people, this social system doesn't mean we're comunists you are so afraight about.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/525086/#p525086 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? was looking at the feuture of this topic so, URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524953/#p524953 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2020-05-01
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : TheTrueSwampGamer via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? erm, the fact that this topic managed to get this many posts, especially after more news reports and information came in from everyone and their dog, i'm just surprised. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524906/#p524906 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? No closer to 1000. Close to 1 would be around 9000 something URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524879/#p524879 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? wow almost 1 posts!not almost but,we're getting there URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524760/#p524760 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? more than 35000 cases in india and more than 1000 deaths I hear that the lockdown has been extended in India till 3rd of july nothing is official though as I write this post URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/524734/#p524734 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @524 I've heard people say that Georgia is trying to open way too soon URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/522363/#p522363 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @523 Same here with the rest of the school year. Doing that is a lot smarter then what a few states like Georgia are doing. On another note, our President has suggested injecting people with disinfectant and using ultraviolet light to kill the virus. The following quotes are from a news article, but I can verify that this is what was said as I heard the recording earlier today. I am pasting these because when I listen to it I didn’t get a true appreciation for how nonsensical these are. When written out, I struggle to understand what he’s even saying.“Supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light. And I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but we’re going to test it? And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, either through the skin or some other way.” [ 4/24/20“And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute — one minute — and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that.” [ 4/24/20And then there’s a suggestion of his that reportedly led to the death of a person.“The hydroxychloroquine and the Z-pack, I think, as a combination, probably, it’s looking very, very good.” [ 3/23/20Trump’s unscientific advice is getting noticed, and for one couple, it had deadly consequences Link . After hearing about the potential “cure” on TV last month, a couple in Arizona noticed that their fish tank cleaner also contained chloroquine. They took it, believing it would prevent them from getting COVID-19. Trump’s unscientific advice is getting noticed, and for one couple, it had deadly consequences. After hearing about the potential “cure” on TV last month, a couple in Arizona noticed that their fish tank cleaner also contained chloroquine. They took it, believing it would prevent them from getting COVID-19.It immediately made them sick. The husband passed away, and the wife was in the hospital under critical care. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/522356/#p522356 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @523 Same here with the rest of the school year. Doing that is a lot smarter then what a few states like Georgia are doing. On another note, our President has suggested injecting people with disinfectant and using ultraviolet light to kill the virus. The following quotes are from a news article, but I can verify that this is what was said as I heard the recording earlier today. I am pasting these because when I listen to it I didn’t get a true appreciation for how nonsensical these are. When written out, I struggle to understand what he’s even saying.“Supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light. And I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but we’re going to test it? And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, either through the skin or some other way.” [ 4/24/20“And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute — one minute — and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that.” [ 4/24/20 Link ] Use the rotor to access Images, Headings, Links. He’s made other suggestions but these seem to be the worst of the two.“The hydroxychloroquine and the Z-pack, I think, as a combination, probably, it’s looking very, very good.” [ 3/23/20 Link ]Trump’s unscientific advice is getting noticed, and for one couple, it had deadly consequences Link . After hearing about the potential “cure” on TV last month, a couple in Arizona noticed that their fish tank cleaner also contained chloroquine. They took it, believing it would prevent them from getting COVID-19. Trump’s unscientific advice is getting noticed, and for one couple, it had deadly consequences Link . After hearing about the potential “cure” on TV last month, a couple in Arizona noticed that their fish tank cleaner also contained chloroquine. They took it, believing it would prevent them from getting COVID-19.It immediately made them sick. The husband passed away, and the wife was in the hospital under critical care. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/522356/#p522356 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @523 Same here. Doing that is a lot smarter then what a few states like Georgia are doing. On another note, our President has suggested injecting people with disinfectant and using ultraviolet light to kill the virus. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/522356/#p522356 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Hey guys.So, a quick update. As of Saturday, all Florida K-12 schools will continue with distance learning for the remainder of the 2019-2020 school year. And I was told yesterday that my school will be doing a virtual graduation ceremony. I'm curious how this is going to work. Unfortunately we haven't heard anything about a reunion or anything, but it would be nice to at least see some people from school one more time before I go on with life and probably never see some of those people again URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/522085/#p522085 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? 521, the states aren't including possible deaths, only ones in which the reason of death is likely covid-19. Also, all those over 80 cases reported are actual posetive cases. But, who runs tests on a corpse? So given the current situation, I think it is reasonable to include deaths which are presumed covid because of the manner of death. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/521765/#p521765 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @519, I'm not sure how accurate case numbers are given the CDC's inflation of (at least) the death toll, which brings into question the other numbers. I mean, OK, its statistics, and I get that,but I've always believed hat stats should be reported honestly and factually -- especially given a health crisis like this. Certainty should always be guaranteed before you add another number to that death toll. Same for cases. There shouldn't be any "maybes". URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/521647/#p521647 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @519, I'm not sure how accurate case numbers are given the CDC's inflation of (at least) the death toll, which brings into question the other numbers. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/521647/#p521647 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2020-04-22
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Keep in mind India's Corona Virus new case count isn't spiking, its just the Indian government only just started ramping up testing. According to Roiters, And my own math calculations based on what they said, India hasn't even tested 1% of their total population. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/521637/#p521637 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? So, based on two posts from the last bunch on this page. Assuming the numbers are right... The U.S has many more cases and deaths compared to a country with 3-5 times the population, and a weaker economic backbone. And despite the garbage job we're doing, we want to go back to work and let the virus have a grander time with our bodies... not to use the dead and sick against anyone, but the campaign attack ads (assuming we all live) are going to be vicious. Apparently a strong economy and military doesn't really help us against a Health crisis. Makes that attempt to cut funding for health care sector months back seem even worse of an idea in hind sight. Hopefully, these numbers don't spike up yet again for any country. This is already ridiculous. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/521608/#p521608 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @517, uh... no. Your wayy off. In the US there are 819321 cases, 45356 deaths, 83008 recoveries, 690957 active cases, and 14016 critical cases. Of course, by the time you read this these numbers won't be correct.The problem with this is that the CDC is supposedly inflating the actual death count. Apparently, the CDC's guidelines state that if there is a possibility that the person might've had COVID-19 when they died, the COD should be COVID-19 on the death certificate -- even if they don't know if the person has it or even if there is only a slim chance. So I suspect the death toll is a lot lower than trackers and APIs say, though I don't know by how much. This brings into question the other numbers -- there may be less cases than we believe, for example. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/521604/#p521604 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @517, uh... no. Your wayy off. In the US there are 819321 cases, 45356 deaths, 83008 recoveries, 690957 active cases, and 14016 critical cases. Of course, by the time you read this these numbers won't be correct.The problem with this is that the CDC is supposedly inflating the actual death count. Apparently, the CDC's guidelines state that if there is a possibility that the person might've had COVID-19 when they died, the COD should be COVID-19 on the death certificate -- even if they don't know if the person has it or even if there is only a slim chance. So I suspect the death toll is a lot lower than trackers and APIs say, though I don't know by how much. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/521604/#p521604 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @517, uh... no. Your wayy off. In the US there are 819321 cases, 45356 deaths, 83008 recoveries, 690957 active cases, and 14016 critical cases. Of course, by the time you read this these numbers won't be correct.The problem with this is that the CDC is supposedly inflating the actual death count. Apparently,the CDC's guideliens state that if there is a possibility that the person might've had COVID-19 when they did, the COD should be COVID-19 on the death certificate -- even if they don't know if the person has it or even if there is only a slim chance. So I suspect the death toll is a lot lowerthan trackers and APIs say, though I don't know by how much. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/521604/#p521604 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Right now in the United States there’s about 40,000 cases. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/521516/#p521516 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I've explained my views before, Jaidon, repeatedly and at length.Suffice it to say that I'm a leftist.My perfect world includes:From each according to their means, to each according to their needEqual access to health care, education, shelter, food for allA society tolerant and inclusive of race, religion, gender identity, gender _expression_, sexual preference and abilityThe abolishment of pure capitalism and the establishment of true democracyDon't tell me these things aren't possible. They're perfectly possible, but they're not going to happen anytime soon.Also? Scandinavian countries are, at best, social democracies, but they still use capitalism. Virtually everyone does. This isn't a strong endorsement, however. It's just the best way to keep up with the Joneses, which I guess is what humanity decided was a cool thing to do about two hundred years ago. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/521506/#p521506 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? cases have risen to 2 and more than 600 deaths have been reported in india since 30th january 2020 when the first case came this is the worst time we indians are going through at this stage we have never had so many cases in march it is during april that we see a serge in the number of cases URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/521505/#p521505 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2020-04-20
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Hmm. Fair point. Just because Trinidad has free healthcare doesn't mean we're Socialist. I think more the Scandinavian countries like Sweden are Socialist, but I'll have to do some research on it. You've not answered my question however. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/521039/#p521039 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Don't kid yourself. Canada isn't really socialist. It has some socialist programs at work, but that's not the same thing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520914/#p520914 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2020-04-19
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Jayde, the consperacy was the fact that Covid was made for that expressed purpose. The virus was made to cause that reaction.Now, I'd really hate to be that guy, but wwhat will replace Capitalism? Socialism? Comunism? Leftism? Centrism? Perhaps a mix of them all? I'm curious. In my world, the economy will be a world in wwhich the government owwns their own companies, while still maintaining a share of local business. Offering competetive taxing rates to encourage local industry, however still giving foreign manufacturing companies incentive to set up factories in my country. If they pull a General Motors, by betraying the Austrailian government by axing Holden, they'll be heavily taxed, with all future subsidies being cut or limited. The civilionery will hopefully gain from the industries owned by the state. With the citizens living in a society simular to Canada or other socialist countries, called an Everyone Helps model. Where everyone pays taxes, to recieve healthcare for free, education as well. However, governmental agencies still actively compete with private coorperations, in the healthcare and education sectors. As well as insaurence, and other industries.How do you see your ideal world? A wworld without Westernism? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520889/#p520889 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @508, please provide links if you are just going to drop random bits of information. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520886/#p520886 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? we are also going for online classes from tomorrow onwards here in india URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520774/#p520774 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2020-04-19
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? in georgia, we have 388 cases, 4 deaths.schools won't open before september so we have online classes URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520736/#p520736 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? 50% increase in death toal of china URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520724/#p520724 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Well, we can hope that the posetive changes in society persist even after this pandemic is over, and there are alot that I can think of.But what is really ironic is that Jeff Bezos made over 24 billion, that's with a B, and only donated over 1 to food banks and coronavirus relief. Amazon profited enormously from coronavirus, yet gave back so little. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520477/#p520477 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? It's not a conspiracy theory, it's a fact.That is, we're now seeing all the various ways that hard-nosed capitalism is not as absolutely necessary as everyone thought. Money is being gotten from all kinds of places in order to help people. Social programs are saving lives and are now being lauded instead of criticized because they cost money.It's going to be fairly difficult to come back from this, I hope. What I mean by that is that it's going to be more difficult to just hand-wave leftist ideology as busted when we're living and dying by it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520438/#p520438 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2020-04-17
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? So, in Trinidad, school won't be opening untill September. So, we're finally getting work sent to us. Well, the government set up a site where you can do courses, and I think they'll record our marks, for reference. But my school in particular has taken the initiative to sen us the syllabus, so when we go back to school in September, we won't be a whole entire term behind. I'm pretty happy about this, but my other collegues aren't fans of the move by our teachers. Some of the reactions are pretty funny. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520345/#p520345 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
2020-04-17
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? I heard a really nice conspiracy theory. Well, not really, just a forcast.Some people are saying that the Corona virus was made simply to excellerate progress. Yes, you heard me right. Some persons are saying now with the virus, humanity will now see that we don't have to take expensive business trips, when we can simply do them at home. We don't have to force our children, me, to go to school everyday. In stead we can just do online schooling. I'm not sure if its a theory, more like a forcast. A neighbour of mine brought that to my attension. I don't think the corona virus will be defining, more like curturally stage setting. I don't think the virus itself will cause us to shift to a more electronic, isolationist society, I think that the future thinkers will use this as the basis to push for us to move to that society. I hope you guys understand what I meant by that statement. You can chip in your input on that topic, but I find it a rather interesting topic. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520343/#p520343 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? The intelligence agencies can investigate things because they're ordered to do so. And they can be ordered to do so for political reasons instead of logical ones. It makes political sense for Trump to make folks think he's seriously trying to find out where all this came from, and it makes equal sense to say that there's a possibility it came from China. Anything to deflect the blame from the haphazard response times, the back-and-forth about PPE, the border issues, and half a hundred others. Trump's manning a sinking ship, but what he's doing here is pointing to a spark on the horizon and saying "See? Look over there, guys!", trying to make you forget that you're about to drown.Some of you folks seem to think that just because an intelligence agency is pursuing a lead, that means the lead is valid. Just as one large example, intelligence agencies in the United States have historically been known to enlarge and even fabricate legal and personal cases against so-called communist sympathizers, purely because they identified in some way with communism. Acts suddenly gained a darker luster because of that association, and a lot of time, energy and money was spent on trying as hard as possible to befoul anyone identifying as a leftist. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520154/#p520154 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @500, see 501. Just because the intelligence community investigates something doesn't mean its true. As 501 said, they tend to investigate useless things for just as equally useless reasons. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520152/#p520152 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? This is the government. Politicians and other agencies tend to spend money on pointless stuff all the time. That's actually by design. Great for preventing hostile powers from quickly taking over a country, crap for dealing with an emergency. Anyway, I think this entire pandemic is enlightneing on highlighting the various vulnerabilities country governments have in an entirely disruptive event. Also, which countries would get ruined in a deadlier pandemic. Considering how freaking suicidal Americans have been just for the social media memes, I'm pretty sure a more infectious virus with a higher death rate would be quite destructive to this country with the current response. Compare this to other countries with a far more comprehensive pandemic response plan. Some countries sitll have their internal economies and socail life chugging like normal, with a majority of Covid cases isolated and treated. Whether that be an extensive online tracking program, investigative departments using farensic tactics to track down people that may of been infected by a covid victim for isolation and early treatment, etc. ...In short, a lot of countries are making The U.S look bad. I know there's talk that this may of been some man made attack, but that's thinking too small. I think what's more worrying that groups might be observing the weaknesses of countries in responding to a biological attack. Hitting some places like South korea and the like would probably be useless, but considering the slow governmental and social response to a normal disease in the U.S... right. Screw nukes. let's start the bioweapons division up again. We're already confused why the current president did not initiate the pandemic response plans developed during the bush Administration. Especially since he claims he knew about the virus earlier than most other countries, you think you'd bust out the plans at that time to prepare as early as some other nations. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520129/#p520129 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end?
Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? Well, they seem to disagree with you don't they? If it was so incredibly unlikely, and almost non-existant possibility, they would not be investigating it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520124/#p520124 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Corona Virus: is it the beginning of the end? @498, I shall reiterate what others like Camlorn have already said -- the possibility of it being man-made is incredibly unlikely (if not absolutely nil). Why the intel community is investigating this and not doing other things that would be far more useful is a mystery to me, but then again, the intel community isn't always the most useful thing to have around anyway. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520107/#p520107 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
