[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Endler Attenuators and Balanced Outputs, Transporter
SuperQ;161297 Wrote: Yea, single value attenuators are just a resistor network. Would you mind posting your circuit and other info to the wiki? I've had a hard time googling for pre-made balanced attenuators, most of what I find is for microphone inputs. I don't think I should post anything to the wiki before others have had a chance to review what I've done, so I'll describe it here. A theoretically ideal resistor network to attenuate a simple (unbalanced) signal uses three resistors. The circuit is shown in the attached diagram (Ideal Attenuation Network). In principle it should be possible to juggle the values of R1, R2 and R3 so as to achive the required attenuation AND maintain the source and destination impedances. However, solving the simultaneous equations is fiendishly difficult for my mathematically feeble brain, and my understanding is that in many cases the solution could call for negative resistances in one or more places. So an ideal network isn't really practical. Fortunately for us, we're dealing with audio signals (ie. very low frequencies), so maintaining the impedances isn't critical. We can instead use the circuit shown in the second diagram (Basic Attenuation Network). This does not maintain the source and destination impedances, but provided the values for R1 and R2 are chosen sensibly, the effect will be insignificant. Let S be the output impedance of the source component, and D be the input impedance of the destination component. After inserting the resistor network, the resulting source impedance seen by the destination device will be: 1 / ( 1/(S+R1) + 1/R2 ) The destination impedance seen by the source device will be: R1 + 1 / ( 1/D + 1/R2 ) And the attenuation in dB will be: 20 * LOG ( R1 / ( 1 / ( 1/D + 1/R2 ) ) ) For anyone interested in building their own attenuators, it is simple to set up an Excel spreadsheet with the formulae above so you can plug in values for S, D, R1 and R2 to find the resulting new impedances and attenuation. Provided D (the destination input impedance) is fairly high - which it is for all modern audio gear, the attenuation factor is primarily defined by the ratio of R1 to R2. A ratio of 4:1 gives about 12dB of attenuation. Provided R2 is kept reasonably small, the resulting source impedance will not get too high. But don't make R2 too small, or R1 will also have to be small, and the resulting destination impedance will be too low. For example, in my own setup, the Transporter has an output impedance of 100 Ohms, and the power amp has an input impedance of 10 kOhm. Using R1 = 3k and R2 = 680, we get an attenuation of 13.5dB, with a new source impedance of 557 Ohm and destination impedance of 3.6 kOhm. If the input impedance of the power amp was 100kOhm, the attenuation would then be 12.9dB. As you can see, the actual attenuation isn't affected that much by the destination input impedance. I've never seen a power amp with an input impedance below 10kOhm. Finally, for a balanced signal, you simply need to duplicate the circuit for both +ve and -ve signal lines, as shown in the final diagram (Attenuation for Balanced Signal). The two R1s and two R2s should be matched as closely as possible. It's probably worth buying a handful of the required resistors and measuring them to find the best matched pairs. I use 1% 0.6W metal film resistors. +---+ |Filename: balanced_pad.gif | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2124| +---+ -- cliveb Performers - dozens of mixers and effects - clipped/hypercompressed mastering - you think a few extra ps of jitter matters? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30462 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Endler Attenuators and Balanced Outputs, Transporter
Wow, excellent post cliveb! Thank you. The second diagram (basic attenuation network) is called a shunt design, correct? That is the design the Endler Attenuators uses... -- NewBuyer NewBuyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30462 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Switching digital inputs on Transporter - possible bug-ette?
This doesn´t seem to be a bug just a weak signal of the digital sources. It just needs to long to get in sync. My cheapo DVD-Player sometimes needs a part of a second to get in sync with the Transporter also. My Marantz CD player syncs immediately without any noise. A solution i can imagine is muting the digital ins for 1 second while switching. -- Wombat Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30444 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Switching digital inputs on Transporter - possible bug-ette?
Wombat;161435 Wrote: This doesn´t seem to be a bug just a weak signal of the digital sources. It just needs to long to get in sync. My cheapo DVD-Player sometimes needs a part of a second to get in sync with the Transporter also. My Marantz CD player syncs immediately without any noise. A solution i can imagine is muting the digital ins for 1 second while switching. The input i have my main problems on is the HD STB TV box connected via optical, and I have an inkling that you may be right with the weak signal I will try a different connection method and see if problems continue as I also have now twice had fade outs where the sound output decreases slowly to zero and I need to switch inputs or switch on and off to reset. So i expect the optical cable may have been kinked or something at some stage . But the burst of noise is unrelated and happen on some top quality equipment and cables. -- dlite dlite's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4885 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30444 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Endler Attenuators and Balanced Outputs, Transporter
NewBuyer;161431 Wrote: Wow, excellent post cliveb! Thank you. The second diagram (basic attenuation network) is called a shunt design, correct? That is the design the Endler Attenuators uses... It probably has many names. The most common name I've seen is L-pad, probably because the two resistors form an L shape in the circuit diagram. Any general purpose attenuator for use with multiple devices (such as Endlers or Rothwells) will necessarily have to use the basic layout, since the ideal network is only for specific known input and output impedances. -- cliveb Performers - dozens of mixers and effects - clipped/hypercompressed mastering - you think a few extra ps of jitter matters? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30462 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Switching digital inputs on Transporter - possible bug-ette?
dlite;161434 Wrote: I get the same problem, tried updating to different nightlies but no joy. Please post a link to the bug here and I will post my thoughts too. It's bug number 4580: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4580 As someone else suggested in this thread, I proposed in my bug report that muting the audio while switching inputs might be a simple fix. I would hope that this is a firmware rather than hardware issue. -- cliveb Performers - dozens of mixers and effects - clipped/hypercompressed mastering - you think a few extra ps of jitter matters? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30444 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New amp
Just ordered a squeezebox for christmas after reading all the positive reviews and looking at some of the equipment on here. I want to make the most of it though so am considering getting a new amp at the moment I only have an old Kenwood KA2060R and I'm toying with the idea of getting a tube amp, I've got my eye on the Jolida 102B. I'm just wondering if my speakers will be alright with this amp though, my speakers are BW DM601s, are these good enough to cope with a Jolida 102B? Thanks. -- mr335 mr335's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8927 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Anyone found an inexpensive linear PS yet?
Would something like this work? http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G12705 pete -- widman widman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8695 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30501 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 performance in a decent budget system
Hello, After plenty of auditioning I have just bought my first hi-fi system - Rotel RA-05 amplifier with BW CM1 speakers. I auditioned this system with the Rotel RCD-02 CD player (and loved the sound), but have decided to go for a Squeezebox (SB3) as my source. Unfortunately I couldn't audition the SB3. I have two questions: 1. Would the sound quality of an unmodified SB3 using analogue outputs be similar to that of the RCD-02? (I note that both devices use Burr Brown DACs, but I'm not sure which) 2. If I wanted to improve on the sound of the SB3 (and only had about £200 to spend), would I be better off with a £200 external DAC (e.g. the Shek D2) or with the Bolder Audio analog mod? Thanks for any advice! Rob. -- robw robw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30520 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 performance in a decent budget system
robw;161456 Wrote: Hello, After plenty of auditioning I have just bought my first hi-fi system - Rotel RA-05 amplifier with BW CM1 speakers. I auditioned this system with the Rotel RCD-02 CD player (and loved the sound), but have decided to go for a Squeezebox (SB3) as my source. Unfortunately I couldn't audition the SB3. I have two questions: 1. Would the sound quality of an unmodified SB3 using analogue outputs be similar to that of the RCD-02? (I note that both devices use Burr Brown DACs, but I'm not sure which) 2. If I wanted to improve on the sound of the SB3 (and only had about £200 to spend), would I be better off with a £200 external DAC (e.g. the Shek D2) or with the Bolder Audio analog mod? Thanks for any advice! Rob. As a start, a linear PSU and decent cables should be good enough. Then the next step should be a mod or a DAC. -- tomsi42 SB3, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact, Kimber Kable 4TC and Timbre. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30520 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 performance in a decent budget system
robw;161456 Wrote: Hello, After plenty of auditioning I have just bought my first hi-fi system - Rotel RA-05 amplifier with BW CM1 speakers. I auditioned this system with the Rotel RCD-02 CD player (and loved the sound), but have decided to go for a Squeezebox (SB3) as my source. Unfortunately I couldn't audition the SB3. I have two questions: 1. Would the sound quality of an unmodified SB3 using analogue outputs be similar to that of the RCD-02? (I note that both devices use Burr Brown DACs, but I'm not sure which) 2. If I wanted to improve on the sound of the SB3 (and only had about £200 to spend), would I be better off with a £200 external DAC (e.g. the Shek D2) or with the Bolder Audio analog mod? Thanks for any advice! Rob. Q1: I can't comment on the latest Rotel players, but the general thinking is that the SB3 easily carries its weight with respect to similarly- (and slightly higher-) priced CD players. Q2: I bought a Shek d2 and am very pleased with it. It now rivals my Shanling CD player, although does lack the real dynamic weight of the (£1,500) CD player; I found it a big improvement on the stock SB3. I posted my thoughts on the d2 on this forum a couple of weeks ago. My bottom line is that I now listen to the SB3 much more: previously the CD/SB difference was so great that I only used the SB for background listening; now it sounds good enough to listen to 'properly'. I agree with Tomsi's comments about getting your power and cabling sorted though, but this shouldn't eat too much into your £200 budget. HTH Adam -- adamslim SB3 into Derek Shek d2, Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30520 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New amp
mr335;161453 Wrote: Just ordered a squeezebox for christmas after reading all the positive reviews and looking at some of the equipment on here. I want to make the most of it though so am considering getting a new amp at the moment I only have an old Kenwood KA2060R and I'm toying with the idea of getting a tube amp, I've got my eye on the Jolida 102B. I'm just wondering if my speakers will be alright with this amp though, my speakers are BW DM601s, are these good enough to cope with a Jolida 102B? Thanks. I'd recommend anyone to try tube amps, but: - The Jolida will drive your 601s, but not to a real party level - Your proposed system would be not the most balanced. That's fine if you're planning to upgrade the speakers within a year or so, but if not, you may do better to think more about system synergy. My first tube amp was a 10W Audio Innovations, and I had it driving some old KEFs. It sounded great, much better than the Audiolab/Cyrus/Rotel/Arcam integrateds that I tried, and it was loud enough for a teenager into Hendrix (albeit one whose parents weren't...) Adam -- adamslim SB3 into Derek Shek d2, Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New amp
Thanks for the info, What tube amp would you recommend for my speakers then? Alternatively what speakers would give a better balance with the Jolida 102b? -- mr335 mr335's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8927 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New amp
There's nothing wrong with your choice of amp; my main point is that your 601s wouldn't be getting the best out of it. My old Snell Type Es were perfect for that kind of valve amp, and they went for just over £100 on ebay (good job I got my Living Voices for a song too!) - all old Snells are great with valves. And it seems they don't command much on ebay! But speakers are deeply personal. I think you can't go too far wrong with anything from Dynaudio and Harbeth, but speakers all have a character - much more so than most other components - so my steak might be your offal. Or my venison your lamb. I like this image :) I have a chinese amp (a Ming-Da) driving a pair of Harbeth HLP3-ES speakers in my kitchen system which sound great too. It doesn't go that loud (the Harbeths are quite low sensitivity), but it's plenty for my small kitchen. Adam -- adamslim SB3 into Derek Shek d2, Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: FS: Bolder modded Elpac
Sorry for not responding to the posts/private messages, for some reason I wasn't getting notified. Anyway, the PS is sold. The SB1 is listed on ebay. I bought the larger Bolder power supply that Wayne is no longer making. I think he was selling them for around $250. I bought it with a used SB3. -- ecruz ecruz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4048 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30083 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Anyone found an inexpensive linear PS yet?
widman;161455 Wrote: Would something like this work? http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G12705 pete No, this is a switching power supply, like the one supplied with the SB. You're looking for a linear supply, like this one: http://www.rselectronics.com/Catalog/ViewPart.aspx?Part=HB5-3%2fOVP-AMFG=PWR (as one example of many) Regards, Kim -- krochat -- SB3 (+linear) - Big Ben - TacT RCS 2.2X - 2xS2150 - Vandersteen 3a Signature + TacT W210 krochat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30501 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New amp
adamslim;161466 Wrote: There's nothing wrong with your choice of amp; my main point is that your 601s wouldn't be getting the best out of it. My old Snell Type Es were perfect for that kind of valve amp, and they went for just over £100 on ebay (good job I got my Living Voices for a song too!) - all old Snells are great with valves. And it seems they don't command much on ebay! But speakers are deeply personal. I think you can't go too far wrong with anything from Dynaudio and Harbeth, but speakers all have a character - much more so than most other components - so my steak might be your offal. Or my venison your lamb. I like this image :) I have a chinese amp (a Ming-Da) driving a pair of Harbeth HLP3-ES speakers in my kitchen system which sound great too. It doesn't go that loud (the Harbeths are quite low sensitivity), but it's plenty for my small kitchen. Adam I'd be wary of pairing Dynaudios with a low power tube amp as they like power and a lot of it. I listened to some that sounded_really_good, but the amp was a KT-88 based PP design that had a lot of oomph. -- ob_kook SB2 -- Axiom passive pre -- Portal Paladin monoblocks -- Dynaudio Contour 1.3 MKII ob_kook's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Interesting Transporter review at Soundstage AV
highdudgeon;161378 Wrote: Ach, it's not even worth bothering with this. George always has to have the last word. -- jhm731 jhm731's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30243 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New amp
Thanks for the replies, I really want to go with the Jolida, I've just had a thought though, I'm living in the UK and would have to order from USA as I can't find anywhere that sells them over here. Do these amps have voltage selectors to change from 120v to 220v? -- mr335 mr335's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8927 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Anyone found an inexpensive linear PS yet?
MUCHO;161361 Wrote: I'd like to try one out but I don't want to spend $100 or more on a linear PS. I would spend $30 or so just for the heck of it. Anyone found one out there cheap yet? Thanks! If you can solder on some leads for the AC and the 5VDC connections, here's a great linear supply: http://www.salvagetech.com/products.asp?pid=106 The +/-12VDC can be disconnected, or used to power another devise. -- jhm731 jhm731's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30501 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Anyone found an inexpensive linear PS yet?
Re-reading that linked thread above, I noted in around page 6 that I'd like to figure out how to do the Walt Jung/ALWSR power supply mods. Seeing how the mods made it into the transporter that seems like the way to go, if you're going to bother making something. My question is why don't some modders do this, rather than continuing the external PS mods? How are silver bybees in the PS going to make a difference when it hits CB traces and other undesirables the minute it gets inside the SB?? The difference made by an external supply is probably slight in comparison to super regulators. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30501 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: REDGUM Amps with Transporter...?
Transporter playing through REDGUM RGi120ENR Signature Series. Speakers: Infinity Kappa 8.1i. Cables: All REDGUM Very wide open soundstage with great details while staying warm +---+ |Filename: REDGUM_TRANSPORTER_small.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2125| +---+ -- truckfighters Transporter - REDGUM RGASIL - REDGUM RGi120ENR AMP - REDGUM LS Cable - Infinity Kappa 8.1i - Live! truckfighters's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7852 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29053 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe TRANSPORTER - REDGUM RGAsil Cinch - REDGUM RGi120ENR Signature Series Amp - REDGUM Speaker Cabel 10mm2 - Infinity Kappa 8.1i What a ride! I'll post a complete picture later ... +---+ |Filename: REDGUM_TRANSPORTER_small.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2126| +---+ -- truckfighters Transporter - REDGUM RGASIL - REDGUM RGi120ENR AMP - REDGUM LS Cable - Infinity Kappa 8.1i - Live! truckfighters's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7852 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Analog Output Impedance
I have read the unbalanced analog output impedance of the transporter is 100 ohms at 0db attenuation. My question is, what is the attenuation when using the 10, 20, 30 db settings? I am planning on running the transporter direct to an amp with ~20kohm input impedance, but I'll need some analog attenuation with my 101 db Zu Druids. Thanks, Dan -- 04dgmsilv 04dgmsilv's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3133 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30526 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
So what do you think? for best SOUND quality would you think Squeezebox3 plus DAC (eg. Benchmark or equivalent), vs Transporter alone, vs Transporter plus DAC (which might be overkill? or not?) thanks in advance. BluesDoc -- bluesdoc bluesdoc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Power supply question
Hi guys, I'm a newbie who just got his SB3. Great piece of kit. I'm interested in a modest tweak to the PS and found this PS: http://www.elpac.com/products/commercial/external-single/documents/fw18.pdf Model No. FW1805 appears to have what I need. 5v and 3 amps with the right output connector and regulated output. Would this work? Many thanks ahead of time. Andy -- tranandy tranandy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8934 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30532 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
bluesdoc;161532 Wrote: So what do you think? for best SOUND quality would you think Squeezebox3 plus DAC (eg. Benchmark or equivalent), vs Transporter alone, vs Transporter plus DAC (which might be overkill? or not?) thanks in advance. BluesDoc Personally I far prefer the sound of the Transporter to the SB3 Dac1 combo (which is what I had before buying the Transporter). I was never happy with the Benchmark's cold, uninviting analytical 2d-ness. But of course this is my personal opinion and is probably disagreed with by many. Other dacs will sound different (better/worse depending on the person) to the Transporter. I'm only certain of the answer to one part of your question... you'd be daft to use the Transporter with another Dac. MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Transporter Naim NAP 250 PMC OB1s. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Interesting Transporter review at Soundstage AV
Congrats SD -- Walleyefisher Walleyefisher's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7122 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30243 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz DRC - measuring question
Hello, I've been reading about Inguz audio correction for some time and am excited to give it a shot in my system. I picked up the recommended ECM8000 measurement mic and am looking at audio interfaces now. I know the audio interface needs to provide phantom power to the mic and be able to record at 44.1Khz and include line in and mic inputs. If I meet this criteria is there any reason to spend more on an interface that I'm only using for this one application? Will a better audio interface allow me to create superior/more effective Inguz filter? Thanks, Dave -- daveellison daveellison's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8744 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30031 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Interesting Transporter review at Soundstage AV
jhm731;161065 Wrote: I haven't seen any volume knobs on DVD players, most power amp don't have any volume controls and my TacT S2150 amp's volume is controlled by a remote. I've also got a Genesis Digital Lens that has no buttons or knobs, it's totally controlled by a remote. I've got all my gear controlled by a single universal Sony remote($25. at Wallmart). IMO, the revolutionary Transporter should have been packaged in a plain 1U case with no knobs or buttons controlled by a programmable remote with a display like the Sonus and offered in a basic digital only version, with expansion slots to add daughter cards for a DAC, ADC, etc... I was obviously referring to the various controls on different types of components. No, a DVD player has no volume knob, but it also doesn't function a a preamp and has many other buttons. I have many TACT pieces. Unless you are using them as amps, they most certainly have a voume dial. Amps don't need controls, tht's what preamps are for. So you believe being exclusively dependent on a remote control would be better for the Transporter? So that everyone is forced to use a remote? You think that being forced to use a remote is required for something to be revolutionary? Why not just give both options as they have. Not everyone wants to be tied to a $25 universal remote. By the way, if you love remotes so much, why not get a better one? And why do you keep calling the Transporter revolutionary? Does SD use that in their marketing somewhere? -- Sleestack *headphone:* singlepower sds-xlr at, esoteric d-03/p-03, hd650, k701 sony qualia *2 channel:* tact rcs 2.2.xp w/ full aberdeen mods, bel canto oneref. 1000 monoblocks x 4, aberdeen northstar transport, epiphany 12-12s (waiting for my 20-21s), tact w210 corner load subs *5.1 channel:* tact tcs mkii w/ aberdeen power supply, tact boz 216/2200 (x5) w/ aberdeen power supply, tact adc6 w/ full aberdeen mods, denon 5910, bel canto pl-1a, eggleston andra ii (x5), velodyne dd-15, panaonic th-65pf9uk Sleestack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30243 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply question
High Efficiency probably indicates that it is a switching PSU. It doesn't explicitly say it, though. If it is switching, then it is probably not much better than the adapter included with the SB in the first place. What you want is a linear regulated PSU. -- ezkcdude DIY projects page: http://www.ezdiyaudio.com System: SB3-EZDAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30532 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply question
That one is probably a switched design - and that is not what you want. If you are handy with a soldering iron, you could make one based on the SS5-3/OVP (-6/OVP)model. That one looks like Elpac's version of the industry 5V/3A version a lot of us have used. There is at least 5 versions of them out there. Tom -- tomsi42 SB3, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact, Kimber Kable 4TC and Timbre. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30532 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Personal Transporter vs decent(ish) CD Player setup
A little disappointed compared to my regular CD player, in my 'music' setup. Works fantastic in my HT setup, ...but, so does the Squeezebox [lol] (HT has a 5.1 Integra receiver that was rated to be 'fantastic for music' ;-) based on some people I asked around - obviously not those that are crazy enough to listen to Quads or other mid-to-top-end audio stuff) Sorry about the slow responses, but I wanted to make sure the thing is completely 'broken-in' before I post my opinions. Fyi, I've been running it continuously with various material from my readyNAS (as well as the 'natural sounds' Hard Thunder and Lightning from the internet selections), for over 168hrs. [Had relatives over in the weekend, and so couldnt do much] Essentially - - using FLAC for my music - looks there is very little difference from time=0 and time=170hrs, which was a bit unexpected - I've seen a lot of components that break in and sound quite different 'straight out of the box.' - material ranges from test CDs (eg Chesky), various well-recorded 'audiophile' labels like WaterLily Acoustics (fantastic recordings) to 'somewhat electronick-y' stuff - ranging from Pink Floyd, to Dire Straits and others in that genre, to various classical pieces - mostly from Baroque and Classical periods (eg. Bach's Brandenburg renditions - Trevor Pinnock, and a bunch of other great recordings), as well as some of my favorite Blues and Jazz recordings. I was hoping to put a good list on the lines of 1. What I listened to, 2. What the Transporter sounded like, 3. and what the Arcam sounds like. [My current summary: I think this is a fantastic product, and I will *definitely* buy the MarkII or MarkIII Transporter or something equivalent in the near future - no need for the 'intelligent knob'] :-) More later... -- ziggy ziggy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8754 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30150 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Personal Transporter vs decent(ish) CD Player setup
...oh, and I forgot to add : I listened to it in 3 configurations 1. Using an active preamp [the Adcom was rated 'stereophile classA', and sounds good despite the rating ;-). Someone told me it was a Nelson-pass designed ClassA single stage, but it sounds so good that I am yet to open it up ;-)] 2. Using a passive preamp [the adcom also has a passive mode, that sounds quite terrible...in comparison to... ] 3. Using my homebrew passive [..based off a somewhat expensive Penny and Giles potentiometer someone lugged from the UK a long time ago] This is what I listen to 90% of my time, despite lacking the remote control volume controls of the Adcom - a bit inconvenient, but gets me atleast a little exercise :)] Anyway, later.. -- ziggy ziggy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8754 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30150 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: HiFi System needed to show difference: SB3, TP
I'm just about to buy an interconnect cable to go between the SB and the RA-06 amp. I see the SB has optical outputs - are these of any relevance or can I only use the standard phono cable? Thanks, and sorry for the noobie question. -- Impeller Impeller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30074 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: HiFi System needed to show difference: SB3, TP
Impeller;161563 Wrote: I'm just about to buy an interconnect cable to go between the SB and the RA-06 amp. I see the SB has optical outputs - are these of any relevance or can I only use the standard phono cable? Thanks, and sorry for the noobie question. Use phono - the optical output is to go to a DAC or digital amp. Adam -- adamslim SB3 into Derek Shek d2, Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30074 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: HiFi System needed to show difference: SB3, TP
Ah, I see. Thanks Adam. -- Impeller Impeller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30074 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter inputs
This weekend I was playing with running my CDP's digital out into the Transporter and was messing around with switching between inputs. When I switched from a SlimServer stream back to the RCA digital input (while the disc was spinning in the CDP) I got no sound. Is anyone else seeing something similar? Also, not long after, the whole thing locked up and could only be recovered by that uniquely convenient Slim Devices method of unplugging the unit. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30534 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply question
(Sorry - I can't resist this shameless plug): Or you could buy a ready made Linear PSU from here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30414 and instead of spending the weekend building the thing you could enjoy listening to some music... I can even throw in a Power Lead as I have now found a spare. -- jjrobb jjrobb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3306 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30532 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New amp
mr335;161484 Wrote: I really want to go with the Jolida, I've just had a thought though, I'm living in the UK and would have to order from USA as I can't find anywhere that sells them over here. Do these amps have voltage selectors to change from 120v to 220v? Looks like you need to order it specially: http://www.jolida.com/catalogue/models/jd102b.shtml Power Requirements: 110V-120 VAC 60Hz 90 watts-standby, 200 watts maximum (220 VAC 50Hz option). BTW there's a couple of pairs of Snells (type J and type K) on ebay at the moment - these are really excellent speakers. They'll go for £100 or less, and will be far better than anything you can buy new for £500, IMO. They are perfect for valves - easy load, nice and sensitive, wonderful midrange. Adam -- adamslim SB3 into Derek Shek d2, Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz DRC - measuring question
To a good approximation: no. The measurement process uses very long logarithmic sweeps to reduce the effect of background noise and nonlinearities; mostly, background noise from the room/environment and nonlinearities from your loudspeakers will be much bigger than from the mic interface. (Patience and experimentation time, though, seems to be an irreplaceable virtue...) -- inguz inguz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30031 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New amp
adamslim;161466 Wrote: I have a chinese amp (a Ming-Da) driving a pair of Harbeth HLP3-ES speakers in my kitchen system... Adam Kitchen Harbeths are already decadent, but I sure hope that Chinese amp is not a Tube Amp?!? Tobi. -- topa topa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7118 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: NeoDigits Helios X5000 - Competition for SB/Transporter?
It looks like it wants to use the TV as the main user interface. Am not sure I like that... But it's better than a lot out there. -- tomsi42 SB3, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact, Kimber Kable 4TC and Timbre. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30537 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NeoDigits Helios X5000 - Competition for SB/Transporter?
I just saw an advertisement for this new player on the Stereophile website. Reviews have started to appear on the web as well. Very intriguing. IMO, this product represents the first real competition to my beloved Squeezey. I need to do more research. It looks to me like they have thrown in the kitchen sink. http://www.neodigits.com/new/body/products/Xline/x5000.asp -- ezkcdude DIY projects page: http://www.ezdiyaudio.com System: SB3-EZDAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30537 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: NeoDigits Helios X5000 - Competition for SB/Transporter?
It has something called NeoLink server software, which is controlled by a PC (or appears to be). -- ezkcdude DIY projects page: http://www.ezdiyaudio.com System: SB3-EZDAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30537 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: NeoDigits Helios X5000 - Competition for SB/Transporter?
ezkcdude;161632 Wrote: It has something called NeoLink server software, which is controlled by a PC (or appears to be). Hmmm. That makes it a bit more interesting. Let's hope there are some test showing up soon. Tom -- tomsi42 SB3, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact, Kimber Kable 4TC and Timbre. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30537 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: NeoDigits Helios X5000 - Competition for SB/Transporter?
I have just gone through the reviews; as the box is a full-blown media player, they consentrated on the visuals. Couldn't find anything relevant on sound quality, but if jitter is OK it should work fine with a good DAC. A definitive no-no for me is that the NeoLink software is windows only (and probably not opensource). So I'll pass this one; but thanks for the tip - I know a lot of people whom this is the right box. Tom -- tomsi42 SB3, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact, Kimber Kable 4TC and Timbre. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30537 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: NeoDigits Helios X5000 - Competition for SB/Transporter?
The reason I started this thread is not because I'm going to go out and buy one of these. It doesn't look ready for primetime to me. However, I do like several features, and would like to see them implemented by SD/Logitech in the future: 1) Streaming video 2) (optional) external user interface 3) pluggable media option (usb, flash, etc) I would hope that a future version of SqueezeBox or Transporter would try to incorporate these features. Otherwise, they may fall behind. -- ezkcdude DIY projects page: http://www.ezdiyaudio.com System: SB3-EZDAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30537 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Endler Attenuators and Balanced Outputs, Transporter
NewBuyer;161431 Wrote: ...The second diagram (basic attenuation network) is called a shunt design, correct? That is the design the Endler Attenuators uses... Not really... a shunt is a type of network for a multi-step attenuator. All of the different methods of multi-step attenuation (shunt, series, ladder) work using a voltage divider circuit, which is what is being illustrated above. Here's a good overview: http://www.goldpt.com/how.html The concept being proposed here would be more similar to a ladder type attenuator, as it has input and ground resistances defined for a specific attenuation level. These are typically the most expensive form of attenuator, as it requires more resistors per volume step than shunt or series types. -- Super-Gonzo Super-Gonzo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=190 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30462 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: NeoDigits Helios X5000 - Competition for SB/Transporter?
tomsi42;161639 Wrote: Couldn't find anything relevant on sound quality, but if jitter is OK it should work fine with a good DAC. * Wolfson DAC * BB Opamp * Super regulated R-Core linear PS * FLAC support IMO the WM8740 is a serious contender. Too bad they don't say which one they use in the X5000. -- mac mac's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30537 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: NeoDigits Helios X5000 - Competition for SB/Transporter?
ezkcdude;161643 Wrote: The reason I started this thread is not because I'm going to go out and buy one of these. It doesn't look ready for primetime to me. However, I do like several features, and would like to see them implemented by SD/Logitech in the future: 1) Streaming video 2) (optional) external user interface 3) pluggable media option (usb, flash, etc) I would hope that a future version of SqueezeBox or Transporter would try to incorporate these features. Otherwise, they may fall behind. I am not sure if I want (or need) the video myself, but the other bits are of interest.Personally I would like a compact unit with a built in disk for use at places without any computers/network. -- tomsi42 SB3, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact, Kimber Kable 4TC and Timbre. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30537 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: NeoDigits Helios X5000 - Competition for SB/Transporter?
mac;161646 Wrote: * Wolfson DAC * BB Opamp * Super regulated R-Core linear PS * FLAC support IMO the WM8740 is a serious contender. Too bad they don't say which one they use in the X5000. If you look at the MCP Club review, it is a WM8728 chip. -- tomsi42 SB3, Rotel RC-1070/RB-1070, dynaBel Exact, Kimber Kable 4TC and Timbre. tomsi42's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2477 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30537 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Endler Attenuators and Balanced Outputs, Transporter
Cliveb, Great post -- love seeing this kind of stuff. Of course, I can't come near a soldering iron, but this is good information for everyone. I've been listening with the Endlers all day. There is absolutely no difference before/after. Wish they were better finished...specifcally with markers that were easier to read. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30462 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Question about Spouses?
Anyone else have a spouse that doesnt understand that music is far superior entertainment than the boob tube? I listen to music almost every night and have done so for years, but the wife still doesn't get it. LOL You all needed a mindless post to de-tox -- Walleyefisher Walleyefisher's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7122 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30541 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Analog volume using Transporter
In looking for the threads from the ancient past from which I learned what I know about SB volume control processing, I see they are too old and have fallen off. So I cannot refer you to the stuff I read to explain why I think the way I do. I see some new topics about TP VC, I will check those out to see if anything has changed. SB will not play 24/96 files, and its supposed ability to play 24/44.1 though analog outs is not very valuable to me, so I never thought twice about it. I would be surprised if SB could make analog output volume changes on a 24 bit wav source file. When I bought my SB, there was no mention in the advertising about anything to do with 24 bit playback. But this thread is about TP, so I should not have mentioned SB at all. The reason I did was that Sean answered a question when TP was announced about volume control processing in which he said it was done same as SB. But TP will play 24/96 files and I bet it will change volume on them, so maybe they aren't exactly the same? This topic is about analog VC, so I was not referring to SPDIF. I have no idea what SB passes to ext DAC with 16 bit input file. As for your third question, you're still talking about digital output, and I am talking about SB analog out using internal DAC with 16 bit source wav file. I don't care about quantization noise when playing mp3. Seeya! Rich -- richidoo richidoo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3097 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30344 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Question about Spouses?
Walleyefisher;161660 Wrote: You all needed a mindless post to de-tox You got that right! My wife likes to listen to music with me, but she is usually reading a magazine or something, and does not concentrate on the as intently. Maybe it's because she is so much smarter and I have to concentrate harder than she to get it. We almost always watch TV after listening to a CD. Beethoven is just a warm up to Iron Chef or Sex in the City. Rich -- richidoo richidoo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3097 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30541 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Question about Spouses?
It's strange, but there's evidence to show that women have a better sense of hearing than men. You'd think they'd be able to appreciate the more esoteric audiophile tweaks even more? -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30541 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Question about Spouses?
Ah, she likes to listen to some nice music when having dinner or taking a bath. Quiet stuff, like Simon and Garfunkel, Andrea Bocelli, Bee Gees sometimes And she's OK with me putting up some room acoustic treatment stuff in the living room, so how good can it get, really... :-) jan ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Question about Spouses?
richidoo;161664 Wrote: Beethoven is just a warm up to ... Sex in the City. Rich Now that would be a much better statement if you weren't talking about a TV show! -- Kyle Kyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2541 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30541 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Question about Spouses?
Kyle;161669 Wrote: Now that would be a much better statement if you weren't talking about a TV show! He is? I thought the TV show was Sex and the City? -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30541 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
WellI'm not suggesting you're wrong, and I certainly don;t know differently, and please only take this in the best interest of objectivity, but how do you know this for certain? thanks -- bluesdoc bluesdoc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter as digital preamp, M-Audio Transit USB audio interface
devin;161387 Wrote: Except there seems to be no way to find out what sampling rate and bit depth is in use. From System Preferences on the Powerbook there is the regular Sound control panel as well as a custom one for the Transit, but no indication of what sampling rate is in currently in use. This doesn't address the desire to see the Transporter display what it's receiving, but you may not be sending what you think you are from the Mac... Just FYI, in case you're not aware of this, with certain classes of digital output hardware, the machine's output sample rate and bit depth are controlled by the not-entirely-obvious Audio MIDI Setup application (in the Utilities subfolder of Applications). I think that (if the settings there aren't overridden elsewhere, in which case the places you'd set things in Audio MIDI Setup should be locked out or absent) machines generally output whatever is set there, resampling as necessary, rather than outputting a multitude of changing digital output formats at the whim of sound-producing applications. (Yes, I can see both the pros and the cons of this model.) -- jbm0 jbm0's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30506 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
bluesdoc;161672 Wrote: WellI'm not suggesting you're wrong, and I certainly don;t know differently, and please only take this in the best interest of objectivity, but how do you know this for certain? thanks I agree with MC but I don't mean this to answer for him. The TP has a great DAC . I haven't heard better. i've compared it to the Lavry DAC (which many like better than the Benchmark). I like the TP better than the Lavry. I think the 2 are so close it may just be a matter of opinion. IMO it would be a waste of money to use the TP to feed an external DAC since I don't think there is a DAC out there that is better. If you want to use an external DAC you can save a lot by using it with an SB If you want a TP for the looks, I would suggest you live with it a month, then compare it to other DACs. I would be surprised if you still wanted a stand alone DAC. Let us know what you decide and what you hear in your comparisons, should be interesting and (hopefully) fun -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Question about Spouses?
I'm really glad I'm no longer married, now sitting on the couch with a woman and listening to music has a whole other connotation:-) and I get to do whatever I want with my room. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30541 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Question about Spouses?
Technical and materialistic perfectionism are guy things. Women are just as musical as men, of course. I know some terrific women performers, ranging from opera singers to punk guitarists. By and large, they're not so much into the fancy audio rig thing -- they hear the music and go from there. There are exceptions to the rule, and I know of few of them, but the audiophile world is overwhelmingly male. That's one nice thing about a system involving a Transporter or SB, amp, and speakers...simple enough to keep everyone happy. Well, maybe. Mark Lanctot;161666 Wrote: It's strange, but there's evidence to show that women have a better sense of hearing than men. You'd think they'd be able to appreciate the more esoteric audiophile tweaks even more? -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30541 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Interesting Transporter review at Soundstage AV
Sleestack;161547 Wrote: I was obviously referring to the various controls on different types of components. No, a DVD player has no volume knob, but it also doesn't function a a preamp and has many other buttons. I have many TACT pieces. Unless you are using them as amps, they most certainly have a voume dial. Amps don't need controls, tht's what preamps are for. So you believe being exclusively dependent on a remote control would be better for the Transporter? So that everyone is forced to use a remote? You think that being forced to use a remote is required for something to be revolutionary? Why not just give both options as they have. Not everyone wants to be tied to a $25 universal remote. By the way, if you love remotes so much, why not get a better one? And why do you keep calling the Transporter revolutionary? Does SD use that in their marketing somewhere? My TacT 2150s are used as power DACs and don't need any preamps or volume controls. Yes, I believe the Transporter would be a better value, if it was exclusively dependent on a remote control with a display, but if you and George like playing with the knob and buttons, it's your money. The $25. remote for my TacT gear, DL and transports works just fine, would a more expensive one make my system sound better? Are you saying the Transporter isn't revolutionary? -- jhm731 jhm731's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30243 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
