Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ethernet Connection
evdplancke;688194 Wrote: I am using Audioengine a2 active speakers for both SBT and my PC. When I use cat7 cable to the SBT and the PC jack is plugged in the a2, then I hear the Ethernet traffic in the speakers (exactly as the switch led was replaced by a kid of buzzer, even when the PC is turned off. The noise dissappears when I unplug the PC cable or when I use cat5e instead of Cat7. Note that my Ethernet cable run passes just behind the active speaker a can potentially interfere with speaker cables and interconnects to the PC and the touch. You should be using .cat5 or cat 5e. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93316 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
It's going to be a long journey... First you need to the room measurements. You will need Audiolense (or siimilar), a good mic with a Flat response between 20hz and 15khz, a good mic stand, and a suspension mount for the mic. Then you need a USB interface for your PC like the one you already have in the pictures. You need to download and install INGUZ it is free) from the Inguz website, follow the instructions provided. Audiolense will creat the convolution file that is used by Inguz at playback time. LMS pipes the data through SOX into INGUZ to apply the DRC. Do you have an iPhone or iPad or iPod Touch? - the web UI for INGUZ no longer runs properly on recent browsers, but iPeng can control it fine on an iDevice. This isnt essential but it really helps a lot. Finally the will be some hacking around to be done and you will need the version of plugin.pm I posted.. And you will need to make a custom_convert.conf file... I can sort that out for you (much) later. I'm busy today, but I reckon someone with your experience can get as far as making the measurements and installing the basic Inguz package... It's the bits after that that you might need my help with. Regards Phil -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
TheOctavist;688257 Wrote: the only tt options i am using...disable analog out, wireless off, and vollock.everything else is logitech(including screen being on).but... no differences in a dbt session btw this and stocklinear psu or without...no difference. This is hard to believe, because we did a DBT with five people - comparing stock SBT and SBT with full TT3 (but Logitech priorities and buffer 2). Each and everyone was able to hear the difference every time, without failure! So from the results of this test and from my own experience I have to conclude, that the difference is very real and is clearly audible... Klaus obviously did a very good job with his tweaks and I'm still very thankful for that! And I'll be happy to test TT4 once he releases it. -- Soundman Soundman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Correct, One should regard that individually; set same attitude TT-3 as TheOctavist and nevertheless to me and some of my friends we hear marginal sound differences with loudspeaker however nearly no differences with headphones with a direct comparison with a second Logitech-SBT (both with level alignment after same DAC) Possibly the room acoustics interfere and strengthens or decreases the sound within the small different frequency band of both SBT, mostly in the bass-mid area. Anyway I stay with TT-3 -- Jacky Jacky's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38257 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Soundman;688307 Wrote: This is hard to believe, because we did a DBT with five people - comparing stock SBT and SBT with full TT3 (but Logitech priorities and buffer 2). Each and everyone was able to hear the difference every time, without failure! So from the results of this test and from my own experience I have to conclude, that the difference is very real and is clearly audible... Hi Soundman There's been some debate here as to whether 30s is enough to spot the effect of the network/server etc. I realise that's not what you tested in your DBTs, but I'm curious to get your opinion on how much time is needed to appreciate a difference. How long did it take in your testing? Was it an instantly noticeable effect, were you listening to complete (say, 3 minute) tracks each time, or did it take half an hour of continuous playing in each configuration? -- chill chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
chill;688311 Wrote: How long did it take in your testing? Was it an instantly noticeable effect, were you listening to complete (say, 3 minute) tracks each time, or did it take half an hour of continuous playing in each configuration? First we listened several songs with each device to get used to the sound. Then, for the test, we switched back and forth after rather short times (10 secs up to 1 minute). The effect was instantly noticeable. And in the end we all agreed that we prefer the sound with TT3. -- Soundman Soundman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences
On 2 Feb 2012, at 15:36, cliveb wrote: cunobelinus;688073 Wrote: You can transfer a 45 minute LP in 15 minutes? That's a neat trick. Surely TheLastMan means that it takes an extra 15 mins on top of the time to do the actual recording. Clearly, in which case by setting his figure of 15 minutes against mine of 3 to 4 hours he was, for his own purpose, failing to compare like with like, which is what I was pointing out. His figure was only for post processing. Mine was for the whole process from the moment I selected the record to transfer to the last full stop at the end of tagging. It seemed to me rather strange - one might almost say wilful - to juxtapose the two figures without acknowledgement of that fact. My apologies if that was unclear, but I'd much prefer light heartedly to use a little wit and indirection to counter a fallacy - and possibly raise a laugh in the process - than plod clumsily through some tedious step by step rebuttal, (which would in any case to have expended more time and energy on the point than it deserved), unusual though this approach might be on an audiophile list. cunobelinus;688073 Wrote: It tends to take me 45 minutes, plus the time it takes to clean, set levels (often needing a complete dry run through in itself, watching the meters all the time, if I'm dealing with unfamiliar music on a disc I've not previously heard) Assuming you're using a decent modern soundcard its noise floor will be so far below that of the vinyl that you have heaps of headroom available. Therefore you can afford to be very conservative when setting levels and normalise later. So no need for a dry run, which will save you 45 mins. Thanks for the suggestion, but as far as I remember, despite a very decent ADC, that was not my experience with those of the classical recordings that I was transferring that have an extremely wide dynamic range. I'll experiment again next time I have a session, though, and pray I'm wrong. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Everything is possible, but nothing is real, Living Colour, Type HumanMedia;688251 Wrote: What is obvious is also subjective and may be completely contrary depending on which viewpoint you hold. This might apply to personal opinions and beliefs. The benefit (and for some folks obviously also the burden) of a domain based on science and engineering (as audio reproduction) is, that claims can actually be right or wrong and that there is a huge (and growing) body of agreed and proven facts. If I read statements like the one above I wonder how some people can get along in real life. I assume that you also ... ... expect things (with mass and without flotation) to fall down rather than to rise to the ceiling or the sky ... expect your car to get slower and not faster when you break ... be sceptical if someone offers you a money investment with 200% return within one week ... etc pp Now ask yourself why you do so without having to try everything out (once more) for yourself? HumanMedia;688251 Wrote: And no one has to prove any claim. Or alternatively differing parties have equal responsibility (or no responsibility) for proving or disproving anything. No, of course no one has to prove his claims, but he ought to in order to be taken seriously and if the claim should be of any relevance for someone else. I don't have to prove that things (with mass and without flotation) fall to earth (because there is a lot of evidence that this is true and therefore it is considered obvious) - the one claiming the opposite certainly has to, though. A lot of people come here to seek advice and to spend their time and money wisely to improve their listenting experience. There is a plethora of potential tweaks (most of them being useless). What about the headstand-kiwi-magic I mentioned here for example: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=686698postcount=35 Does this qualify as a useful tweak. If not, why not? Most of us only have an endless amount of time and money to spend and that's why one should stick with the optimizations that are more likely to improve the sound than others. Would you take an obscure substance (or potassium cyanide) just because someone asserted that it helps against a headache? No, you would ask for evidence that it does (and that it is not harmful). Why should we reject this kind of reasoning here? Just because the harm is only (massive amount of) wasted time and money? Of course anyone is free to post his personal experience, opinions and beliefs (if they are clearly displayed as such) - but what's the point then? The tweaks mentiones here (and other similar questionable ones in other threads) are clearly stated as being (potentially) helpful for others, too. That's why there should be some evidence provided to support them (and not only personal assertions). I am looking forward to your feedback. Cheers superbonham P.S.: Please bare with me if the above is written a bit choppy - English is a foreign language for me after all. -- superbonham superbonham's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22540 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Further to my initial tests, where I preferred a buffer value of 9200 with TT3.0. I now find that I get results through audio out similar to my Arcam Delta 70.2 CD player with flip-flop mod, if I set the buffer to 1 and disable thread priority and kernel mods by commenting out lines in the /etc/init.d/rcS.local script. I have vollock off. All other mods are enabled, and I will continue to systematically switch out mods and evaluate their effect on the sound. Cheers. -- ZMK ZMK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=53738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences
On 2 Feb 2012, at 18:33, TheLastMan wrote: cunobelinus;688073 Wrote: Automatic track division tends to be very dodgy indeed with classical - the bulk of my music. I'll try VinylStudio again and see if it works now, but it certainly didn't last time. You are right, track breaks tend to be a lot less obvious in classical music. As I stated in my post, I don't bother to record classical LPs. Yes, you did state that, which is why I was making the point that our experience and requirements - and the experience and requirements in general of those contemplating transferring LPs to hard disc - differ. I try and buy an appropriate CD. With classical music I am not worried too much about the particular performance of a work, as long as there is at least one decent performance on CD. I find that most of the renowned historical performances are on CD anyway. If you are looking for obscure classical music tag data then I doubt you will find VinylStudio any better than before. A huge range lies between the obvious classic recordings of great, popular works, (most of which have indeed been transferred) and obscure classical music. What I've got is a good, comprehensive, but not exceptional, collection by a knowledgeable music lover, which is only occasionally abstruse, (and then, illuminatingly so) dating between 1960 or so and 1991. My aim is to preserve, in a useable digital reference archive, the integrity of that collection, (including that of the individual LPs, very few of which have been released in their original form on CD) which in itself throws a light of interest to me personally on the related professional field in which the collector was distinguished. These databases are very much geared up to popular music formats. Yes, indeed, That's why I said that they are no use to me, and was warning that the same might be true for others who might be contemplating transferring classical LPs. Others will have different experience and requirements. I use my own peculiar and very personal tagging scheme for classical CDs which probably would not suit anybody else anyway. Likewise. Re-tagging the inconsistent and even absurd offerings of CDDB so that they are consistent and logical enough to use with LMS in itself takes hours - although not as many as tagging from scratch. You can transfer a 45 minute LP in 15 minutes?If I were being uncharitable, I might accuse you of wilful misunderstanding! I, of course, mean 15 minutes on top of the time needed to record the album, as I stated clearly in my previous post on this thread. If I were being uncharitable, I might accuse you of wilfully failing to take the point I was light-heartedly making here: that your 15 minutes and my 3-4 hours refer to different things, although that is not how it appeared in the way you used the figures in juxtaposition, and in opposition. I find that with pop/rock I can set levels adequately by sampling a minute or two from one or two obviously loud tracks. I have got better at this with practice. All the stuff I'm transferring is the stuff with which you don't bother. It is all acoustic. There is no way round doing it because none of it is issued on CD. Fair enough. It is not that I don't bother it is more that my collection contains very little music that has not been released on CD. My apologies. I misread that part of your previous post in which, on re-reading, you appear to be saying that you didn't bother post-processing classical or quiet acoustic folk music. However, you did subsequently also repeat in the post to which I was replying As I stated in my post, I don't bother to record classical LPs. which made me for some reason think that it meant that you don't bother to record classical LPs, and then to use that phrase in my reply. I am sorry if you found this in some way derogatory. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Soundman;688316 Wrote: First we listened several songs with each device to get used to the sound. Then, for the test, we switched back and forth after rather short times (10 secs up to 1 minute). The effect was instantly noticeable. And in the end we all agreed that we prefer the sound with TT3. Thank you - that's a good data point. And all this was done 'double blind'? -- chill chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;688182 Wrote: Soundcheck, you have completely transformed my listening experience via the TT2.0 mods and then TT3.0, keep up the good work, I am sure there are a lot of people supporting you. The fact that you are annoying people who are loathe to experiment, but have a theory for everything is merely an indication that you are on the right track. Question for the guys who are demanding Soundcheck prove his no claims contribution to the Community and be honest ;) You running TT3 with your Touch setup? C'mon you keyboard warriors, its only hifi ffs! -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
chill;688324 Wrote: And all this was done 'double blind'? Correct -- Soundman Soundman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Gazjam;688326 Wrote: Question for the guys who are demanding Soundcheck prove his no claims made contribution to the Community and be honest ;) You running TT3 with your Touch setup? Of course I am using TT3 with my Touch. I also put the Touch in a wooden box (using hand-selcetd bubinga) lined with blanket fish skin (very exclusive). To even further improve the listening experience I am wearing a tin foil hat (see http://bilearninglab.no/wp-includes/js/tinymce/langs/foil-hat-i10.png) not to mention the headstand-kiwi-trick (see above) ... This all really makes a difference ... for real ... I promise ... -- superbonham superbonham's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22540 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Gazjam;688326 Wrote: You running TT3 with your Touch setup? Nope. Justification? 1) Wifi, touch screen, radio stations with variable sample rates - these are all valuable features to me. 2) I'm running Toslink into a separate DAC, and have never heard a difference between any digital sources. -- chill chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences
cunobelinus;688319 Wrote: On 2 Feb 2012, at 15:36, cliveb wrote: Assuming you're using a decent modern soundcard its noise floor will be so far below that of the vinyl that you have heaps of headroom available. Therefore you can afford to be very conservative when setting levels and normalise later. So no need for a dry run, which will save you 45 mins. Thanks for the suggestion, but as far as I remember, despite a very decent ADC, that was not my experience with those of the classical recordings that I was transferring that have an extremely wide dynamic range. I'll experiment again next time I have a session, though, and pray I'm wrong. Well, just because the music is well-recorded classical does not alter the fact that vinyl LPs have a maximum dynamic range around the 60dB mark - perhaps 70dB for a pristine audiophile pressing with a following wind. Modern soundcards routinely achieve noise floors below -90dB. (Even my modest M-Audio AP2496, which must be well over 5 years old, achieves about -93dB). Using such a soundcard, you can safely record LPs at a peak level down around -12dB and the vinyl surface noise will still overwhelm the soundcard's noise floor. My recommendation is to visually inspect the LP to find what looks to be the loudest section, then set levels to peak at about -9dB on that section. That still gives you a decent amount of headroom for surprise peaks. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93265 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences
On 3 Feb 2012, at 12:22, cliveb wrote: Well, just because the music is well-recorded classical does not alter the fact that vinyl LPs have a maximum dynamic range around the 60dB mark - perhaps 70dB for a pristine audiophile pressing with a following wind. Modern soundcards routinely achieve noise floors below -90dB. (Even my modest M-Audio AP2496, which must be well over 5 years old, achieves about -93dB). Using such a soundcard, you can safely record LPs at a peak level down around -12dB and the vinyl surface noise will still overwhelm the soundcard's noise floor. My recommendation is to visually inspect the LP to find what looks to be the loudest section, then set levels to peak at about -9dB on that section. That still gives you a decent amount of headroom for surprise peaks. That's what I usually do, saving the -9dB suggestion, which may well be very useful. I have been caught out just visually inspecting, but that might well make the difference. I'll try it with the next batch. Thank you! (My M-Audio is definitely over 5 years old, too, incidentally). ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences
cliveb;688331 Wrote: Well, just because the music is well-recorded classical does not alter the fact that vinyl LPs have a maximum dynamic range around the 60dB mark - perhaps 70dB for a pristine audiophile pressing with a following wind. Modern soundcards routinely achieve noise floors below -90dB. (Even my modest M-Audio AP2496, which must be well over 5 years old, achieves about -93dB). Using such a soundcard, you can safely record LPs at a peak level down around -12dB and the vinyl surface noise will still overwhelm the soundcard's noise floor. My recommendation is to visually inspect the LP to find what looks to be the loudest section, then set levels to peak at about -9dB on that section. That still gives you a decent amount of headroom for surprise peaks. Yep, that is pretty much how I do it too. One of the facilities of VinylStudio is that it counts clips in your recording as you go along. As I usually listen to the music as it is recording I am aware of any clips and can make a quick fine adjustments on the fly. I am not usually worried if I have one or two clips in a recording. If I have the basic level about right they are usually the very peak of a transient of a couple of milliseconds and no distortion is audible. I think the misunderstandings between myself and Cunobelinus is that he and you digitise precious recordings that are not available any other way. Because of that you are both taking an appropriately diligent and serious approach. For me the process of digitising my LPs started as a casual experiment but quickly became just added on to a process of rediscovering the older parts of my music collection. Without that extra motivation I doubt I would have got past recording the first 3 or 4 discs. However, as I am listening to the music anyway, I might as well record it at the same time and save myself the cost of buying the CD. For instance last night I listened to, and recorded, Rickie Lee Jones The Magazine. I remember playing it avidly for a few months after I bought it in 1984 but I don't think it has been out of its sleeve since I moved to London in 1989. It was pretty pristine so I just manually removed 3 pops at the start of one of the tracks but otherwise dumped it straight into FLAC files. The Discogs database via VinylStudio had no trouble finding tag data with track times and cover art came from Amazon. Processing time was about 6 minutes setting track breaks, 5 minutes removing the three pops and 40 seconds to save the FLAC files. Last week I played Donald Fagen's Nightfly and Kamakiriad. Although Kamakiriad was fine, I had played Nightfly to death in the past and the disc showed it. There was no visible damage or grime, but a lot of intrusive clicks and pops. After trying to repair the surface noise in the first track I got bored, dumped the computer WAV file and ordered the CD for £4.50 from Amazon. In the meantime I am listening to it on Napster. Brilliant album! -- TheLastMan Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology DS107+ (500GB) NAS running LMS 7.7.0 on SSODSmod 4.14 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, 2 x Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 as access points *Livingroom:* Receiver into Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver into Denon DM37 mini-system, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93265 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox A/B/X testing?? Is there an app? Can someone dev one?
It's not as flexible as the foobar ABX app, but ages ago Malcolm Wotton posted a nice little Perl plugin for comparing WAV vs. FLAC, and I think the later version also compared MP3. Someone may be able to adapt it to other comparisons. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21545 -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93394 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Crackling only through server?
I almost exclusively listen to mysqueezebox.com through my Transporter, A few months back I purchased a pair of Audio Note P4 monoblocs. Decided to listen to some streams via the PC just to see if there was a difference in sound quality and here is this popping in the highs again? Has anyone else here ever had this problem? I'm guessing it's either a problem with the router or the PC. How to troubleshoot this? -- mashley mashley's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36549 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82558 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Soundman;688316 Wrote: First we listened several songs with each device to get used to the sound. Then, for the test, we switched back and forth after rather short times (10 secs up to 1 minute). The effect was instantly noticeable. And in the end we all agreed that we prefer the sound with TT3. Hi Soundman, How did you manage to do the 'blinding'? I am asking because I found this to be rather difficult with the tests I tried myself (switching between two synced receivers with different loudspeakers in this case). Any suggestion on how to set up a blind test in this (and similar) settings is appreciated. Thanks superbonham -- superbonham superbonham's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22540 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where does a 3D soundstage come from?
Q-Sound has some interesting technology that produces a truly realistic 3D soundfield. http://www.qsound.com/index.htm You can google some albums that use this technology Amused to Death by Roger Waters is one that I frequently listen too. -- mashley mashley's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36549 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93092 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Crackling only through server?
1. how is transporter connected to server (ethernet or wifi) 2. how is transporter connected to amp/preamp (rca, digital out, balanced out) 3. OS of server, how is server connected to router (ethernet or wifi) 4. if ethernet, cat5, cat5e, cat6, cat 7? A basic test, which you've done it seems, is: 1. listen to streams via connection to mysqueezebox.com 2. listen to same stream via LMS on your PC If you get crackles on 2 but not 1, then it is not anything to do with your Transporter, or you connections between transporter and router or transporter and amp/preamp. It would have to be something about the PC itself. Within the PC, I might first simply reinstall LMS to make sure it is not something that simple. Otherwise, I'd investigate things that are connected to PC that may cause interference. This could be cables from router to PC (if used), powercord to PC (plug into something else temporarily for example). -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) LMS 7.7.1 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) LMS 7.7.1 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.7.1 SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82558 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Crackling only through server?
also, some odd issues with transporter can be solved with: 1. remove power to transporter 2. point remote at transporter, holding down the 1 key 3. while doing 2 above, restore power to transporter display on transporter will note it is doing reset, and then you can stop pressing 1 key -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) LMS 7.7.1 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) LMS 7.7.1 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.7.1 SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82558 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ethernet Connection
Using cat7 for anything at home is not recommended. This cable has low damping even up to 1GHz. Of cause this cable can transport ultra high-speed data but the other way around also can transport HF garbage much better! This cable is really meant for profesional cabling with serious grounding. The faster is better thing makes no sense here and shows where audiophile paranoia can lead to. Your hardware can use its full potential with Cat5. Music streaming isn´t exactly high-speed or time critical the way we use it. -- Wombat Transporter (modded) - RG142 - Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks - Sommer SPK240 - self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93316 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
superbonham;688329 Wrote: Of course I am using TT3 with my Touch. I also put the Touch in a wooden box (of handpicked bubinga) lined with blanket fish skin (very exclusive). To even further improve the listening experience I am wearing a tin foil hat (see http://bilearninglab.no/wp-includes/js/tinymce/langs/foil-hat-i10.png) not to mention the headstand-kiwi-magic (see above) ... sometimes even the simple and cheap tweaks do the trick. All this really makes a difference ... for real ... I promise ... Based on my astonishing personal experience I encourage everyone to try these tweaks out for himself - you will be flabbergasted! Oh, just forgot to mention: no claims made of course ... your a dick :) -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences
TheLastMan;688345 Wrote: One of the facilities of VinylStudio is that it counts clips in your recording as you go along. Of course once the signal is digitised, there is no way to know for sure if it has been clipped - all you can do is apply some kind of rule such as 4 or more consecutive full scale samples is probably a clip. Does VinylStudio allow you to parameterise this? For example, some older soundcards (eg. the Creative ones based on the Ensoniq 137x chipset) have some sort of analgue saturation/clipping at about -2dBFS, and the samples delivered are not all at the same level. So to detect clipping through a soundcard like that, you need to be able to set a threshold level. TheLastMan;688345 Wrote: I think the misunderstandings between myself and Cunobelinus is that he and you digitise precious recordings that are not available any other way. I can't speak for Cunobelinus, but I started out doing this in order to digitise LPs that were unavailable or unaffordable on CD. Then after a while I found I was enjoying the process, so I began transferring some LPs that were on CD but were not that essential to me. But as a general rule, I do buy the CD unless I know it's a poor transfer. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93265 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Where does a 3D soundstage come from?
mashley;688353 Wrote: Q-Sound has some interesting technology that produces a truly realistic 3D soundfield. http://www.qsound.com/index.htm You can google some albums that use this technology Amused to Death by Roger Waters is one that I frequently listen too. It is impressive but in no way is it truly realistic... It is a clever trick. You simply cannot capture or recreate a 3d soundfield with only 2 mics and 2 speakers - however, you can do some very clever stuff to fool the brain! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93092 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Gazjam;688373 Wrote: loosten your sphincter, you'll live longer :) Thanks for the anatomical tip. Also got one for you: ever thought about breast or butt implants made of your own brain tissue? Your life will be a lot easier if not distracted by thinking :) Gazjam;688373 Wrote: Was a genuine question btw, DO you use TT3 with your Touch? No. Should I? Don't know why, but I kinda foresee an answer along the lines of ... then how can you rate these tweaks at all without first hand experience ... - I am glad that there is (at least so far) no reason to do so ... Did you try the blanket fish skin tweak? -- superbonham superbonham's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22540 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
superbonham;688388 Wrote: Thanks for the anatomical tip. Also got one for you: ever thought about breast or butt implants made of your own brain tissue? Your life will be a lot easier if not distracted by thinking :) No. Should I? Don't know why, but I kinda foresee an answer along the lines of ... then how can you rate these tweaks at all without first hand experience ... - I am glad that there is (at least so far) no reason to do so ... Did you try the blanket fish skin tweak? Sorry, I've no idea what you just said. Can I ask how old you are? -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
cunobelinus;688085 Wrote: On 2 Feb 2012, at 13:50, Jeff Flowerday wrote: Down to what hz can you actually hear at 8ft? Hearing is the least of it at these pitches. It's not the only sense involved. Profound bass is primarily felt. However, the answer to the question is about 12-14Hz. How much music actually has much content below say 35hz? The low E string on the electric bass is about 40hz correct? A lot. You can't get a convincing impression of much church/classical organ, low percussion, low strings and low brass (I'm talking about acoustic music here) - so most orchestral music of the last 200 years - without subsonic reproduction, despite the nominal 41Hz low on a double bass/ electric bass. That's actually not that low, as instruments go. Wagner specified C1 low for parts of the Ring - that's 31Hz. Lowest note on a tuba, the Royal Festival Hall Organ (refurbished) and a Bosendorfer Grand is 16Hz. A 64 ft organ pipe (Royal Albert Hall) goes to 8Hz at which it is inaudible, but sets the seats - and chests - vibrating. The routine bass drum is probably about the same, and as a former orchestral percussionist, (and rock drummer, for that matter), I want to feel the shock wave when I'm listening to the audio as I did when I hit one. Some synthesised music is at least as low, which must indicate an intention of being felt as well as heard. I now can't recall the lowest I measured sound on Mirrorball (Sarah McLachlan) when I was using a sub, but it was certainly way below 25Hz, and a lot louder to an SPL at that range than my ears heard it - although the chest was buzzing away nicely in sympathy. It's nothing like the same listening to it without the sub. I really must get it out and set it up with the Quads. I would just like to add to this that although strings do not naturally produce undertones in the same way that they do overtones, undertones are apparently produced by the resonance of the body of instruments. That would explain why having a sub seems to make acoustic instruments like cellos and pianos seem more convincing. I'm sorry to keep banging on about this but I simply can't understand why anyone who cares about hifi would want to miss out on the bottom octave. It's not foo it's absolutely basic uncontroversial fact that you can hear down to 20Hz. AFAIK the bottom range does not decline with age (or if it does is doesn't do so dramatically) unlike to upper limit. Just think of the amount of time people spend arguing on this forum that the operating system of your server or whatever just might possibly affect the sound coming out of their speakers: I bet at least half of them have speakers that only go down to 40-50hZ! rgh. -- adamdea adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences
cliveb;688379 Wrote: Of course once the signal is digitised, there is no way to know for sure if it has been clippedTrue. However I am usually aware of when the clipping takes place and a pretty good idea where in the track it is. I have never let a recording go grossly into clipping. If I have let a clip through it is usually percussion, something like a single kick drum beat, just tipping over the top. A tweak on the Naim's volume control usually stops further problems. I have never felt the need to identify the clips after the event. If I thought I needed to do that I would just re-record the offending track at a lower level. -- TheLastMan Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology DS107+ (500GB) NAS running LMS 7.7.0 on SSODSmod 4.14 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, 2 x Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 as access points *Livingroom:* Receiver into Naim 42/110 amp, BW CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver into Denon DM37 mini-system, BW 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93265 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Gazjam;688390 Wrote: Sorry, I've no idea what you just said. Dont bother re-explaining though. Can i ask how old you are? 41. Why? Was a genuine question btw, did you try one of the tweaks I suggested? -- superbonham superbonham's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22540 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
Phil Leigh;688164 Wrote: you need to study the very long thread that starts with this post... http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=532485postcount=1 I can ty and help you, but I only use Audiolense to do my measurements and creat the convolution file. It's a world of pain to get working but once working it is superb ime. If you want to have a laugh TR you can see from that thread how long it took me to get it running (post 128-182), mainly because I forgot to install the filter processor as well as the plugin. It's worth noting that the files unpack to a different location than that mentioned in the manual (because it's pre win7). *I am still deeply indebted to Phil for helping me.* I suspect that you will manage all this more easily than I did. By the way, even without a proper DRC convolver Inguyz in its basic form is actually quite useful. It contains EQ, balance control and even a channel delay to compensate for asymmetrical speaker positioning. And even an ambisonics processor, which would be really useful if there were any ambisonic recordings. -- adamdea adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
TiredLegs;688202 Wrote: Also, the fact that your speakers are specified to 40 Hz does not mean that they have zero output below that frequency, it just means that the output below that frequency is reduced below whatever threshold they use in their spec. (The response falloff isn't necessarily a cliff.) Nah. It's all in the mind, you know. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Gazjam;688373 Wrote: loosten your sphincter, you'll live longer :) Was a genuine question btw, DO you use TT3 with your Touch? So just in case this might be a misunderstanding due to differences in language: translating the above statement into my native language would give a very rude insult and would make me wonder about your age actually. -- superbonham superbonham's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22540 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
chill;688330 Wrote: Nope. Justification? 1) Wifi, touch screen, radio stations with variable sample rates - these are all valuable features to me. 2) I'm running Toslink into a separate DAC, and have never heard a difference between any digital sources. An interesting thing happened to me. A friend, who is a hard core objectivist, came over to my house and showed me a neat trick: you can hook up your iPhone to your stereo and stream mp3 stored on the phone. Neat! But what was even more surprising is that we couldn't hear any differences between the iPhone and a fully modded SBT with TT3.0 on and a linear PSU, the whole nine yards. The only difference we could notice is if the iPhone was fully charged or if the battery was low. Of course, fully charged iPhone sounded brilliant, sparkly and fresh. As the battery was draining out, the sound got increasingly and noticeably tired, dull, and lifeless. iPhone is indeed the Swiss Army Knife of the 21st century! P.S. Is there a good affordable linear PSU for iPhone? -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
totoro;688266 Wrote: If the person behaves like a troll, pointing it out isn't an unwarranted attack. Reality isn't optional In your opinion, of course. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox A/B/X testing?? Is there an app? Can someone dev one?
TheOctavist;688162 Wrote: id love that, sure many others would too. would help the SNR here... who are the heavy hitting developers I could propose this to? What would be the point, now that we've established that there exist no audible differences between stock SBT and SBT with TT3.0 mods? -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93394 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
totoro;688266 Wrote: If the person behaves like a troll, pointing it out isn't an unwarranted attack. Reality isn't optional Especially, one might think, if the troll in question had identified himself as a troll in an earlier post which described itself (half accurately) as sophisticated trolling. Who could do that and then say that calling him a troll was an unwarranted attack? Anyway talking to him just makes it worse. -- adamdea adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
superbonham;688402 Wrote: So just in case this might be a misunderstanding due to differences in language: translating the above statement into my native language would give a very rude insult and would make me wonder about your age actually. Whoa easy there fella... Apologies if your native language isn't English, the comment was meant light heartedly.(hence the smiley) I had asked if folk used TT3 with their Touch? You came back with: -Of course I am using TT3 with my Touch. I also put the Touch in a wooden box (of handpicked bubinga) lined with blanket fish skin (very exclusive). To even further improve the listening experience I am wearing a tin foil hat (see http://bilearninglab.no/wp-includes/...il-hat-i10.png) not to mention the headstand-kiwi-magic (see above) ... sometimes even the simple and cheap tweaks do the trick. All this really makes a difference ... for real ... I promise ... Based on my astonishing personal experience I encourage everyone to try these tweaks out for himself - you will be flabbergasted! Oh, just forgot to mention: no claims made of course ...- Maybe just harmless humour/sarcasm fail, but your comments made me wonder what age you were. Thats all, nothing rude or sinister. :) Did you genuinely mean me to try tweaks you suggested? I'm all for simple and cheap tweaks that work, but putting the Touch in a wooden box and wearing a tinfoil hat is fucking stupid. ;) -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
superbonham;688349 Wrote: Any suggestion on how to set up a blind test for these (and similar) settings is appreciated. I'm especially interested about ways to blind the switching of sources. I would think that usually requires software doing the switching, or some customized hardware, especially to allow for the possibility of _not_ changing the source sometimes (eg, ABAB ABAA BABB). Mind you, I think even single-blind is a huge leap beyond most of what is reported here -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
It might be surprising that the low A on a piano is 27.5 hz -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Gazjam;688411 Wrote: I'm all for simple and cheap tweaks that work, but putting the Touch in a wooden box and wearing a tinfoil hat is fucking stupid. ;) Indeed. As is tweaking a TCP/IP server (i.e the computer running LMS) in the expectation that it will improve sound quality. Those who genuinely don't understand how computer networking works might believe that this is more plausible than the tinfoil hat and wooden box, but, really, it isn't. This is not a matter of opinion, it is a fact, in much the same way that if you fall off the top of a tall building you will hit the ground, hard, is a fact. It is not me making this claim, it is the accumulated body of knowledge called science which makes this claim. And we take that body of knowledge seriously because time and time again it makes accurate predictions as to the behaviour of things. We all accept countless numbers of things without having experienced them directly - we must, in order to live our lives in any kind of sensible way. Some things are not matters of opinion. I care about this because I care about truth, about what is real. And I don't like seeing my fellow human beings being misled or confused by pseudo-scientific nonsense, even if those doing the misleading are confused themselves. -- darrell darrell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13460 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
darrell;688422 Wrote: Indeed. As is tweaking a TCP/IP server (i.e the computer running LMS) in the expectation that it will improve sound quality. Those who genuinely don't understand how computer networking works might believe that this is more plausible than the tinfoil hat and wooden box, but, really, it isn't. This is not a matter of opinion, it is a fact, in much the same way that if you fall off the top of a tall building you will hit the ground, hard, is a fact. It is not me making this claim, it is the accumulated body of knowledge called science which makes this claim. And we take that body of knowledge seriously because time and time again it makes accurate predictions as to the behaviour of things. We all accept countless numbers of things without having experienced them directly - we must, in order to live our lives in any kind of sensible way. Some things are not matters of opinion. I care about this because I care about truth, about what is real. And I don't like seeing my fellow human beings being misled or confused by pseudo-scientific nonsense, even if those doing the misleading are confused themselves. +1 Well said. there is a fundamental difference between science and bullshit, namely that bullshit is indeed bullshit. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Are there issues when two touches are playing different songs. One touch being sound touch 3 Ethernet and the other wireless on the same server? -- jmschnur Joel jmschnur's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
jmschnur;688430 Wrote: Are there issues when two touches are playing different songs. One touch being sound touch 3 Ethernet and the other wireless on the same server? What kind of issues? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
adamdea;688408 Wrote: Especially, one might think, if the troll in question had identified himself as a troll in an earlier post which described itself (half accurately) as sophisticated trolling. Who could do that and then say that calling him a troll was an unwarranted attack? Anyway talking to him just makes it worse. I don't believe that is a troll in the most common usage of the term with respect to internet forums. What he does is play devil's advocate, in that he does not make personal attacks but rather just posts a contrary opinion in order to stir the pot and more importantly to get one to at least rethink their rigid positions. Throw in the facts that on occasion he can also be funny and that he does not seem to take himself too seriously, something more than a few members might learn from, and I say that on the whole magiccarpetride is more than welcome to keep on stirring the pot. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The Transporter - Transporter 2 (oops) - Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
aubuti;688418 Wrote: I'm especially interested about ways to blind the switching of sources. I would think that usually requires software doing the switching, or some customized hardware, especially to allow for the possibility of _not_ changing the source sometimes (eg, ABAB ABAA BABB). Mind you, I think even single-blind is a huge leap beyond most of what is reported here quite agree. No-one who mods the hardware or the software and doesn't have an unmodded baseline to compare with is in any position to state anything meaningful one way or another about the success of those mods. even that moat basic requirement is very rarely met around here. anyone who thinks they can realistically remember what something sounded like is just fooling themselves. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
ralphpnj;688432 Wrote: I don't believe that is a troll in the most common usage of the term with respect to internet forums. What he does is play devil's advocate, in that he does not make personal attacks but rather just posts a contrary opinion in order to stir the pot and more importantly to get one to at least rethink their rigid positions. Throw in the facts that on occasion he can also be funny and that he does not seem to take himself too seriously, something more than a few members might learn from, and I say that on the whole magiccarpetride is more than welcome to keep on stirring the pot. as John Lennon said gimme some truth... Life's too short to play games. I don't mind MCR, I just wish he'd check his internet persona at the door and communicate properly. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
Phil Leigh;688434 Wrote: as John Lennon said gimme some truth... Life's too short to play games. I don't mind MCR, I just wish he'd check his internet persona at the door and communicate properly. Define 'communicate properly'. According to who? There is more than one potential position of authority, as I'm sure you know already. And also, not everything that is official at a certain moment stays official for long. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
pski;688419 Wrote: It might be surprising that the low A on a piano is 27.5 hz Surprising to whom? Piano players? -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
FWIW, more DBT testing today with several other members. we all failed miserably(different group of folks, other than me) I simply do not believe anyone who says they pass/identify a proper DBT comparing these things.. if none of the 10+ mensch that participated here with me could ID them(sound engineers and musos mainly..thats my crowd) , i have serious doubts that anyone else could. nobodys ears are golden enough to ID things that aren't there. :) -- TheOctavist VortexboxSBT(stock(TT failed dbt)Forssell MDAC-2Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra KleosBespoke Valve Phono StageMastersound Due VentiLink Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AB Testing Support
Hey...could someone adapt this and make it an A/B/X setup?/? I would REALLY like an ABX app for SBT. infinitely useful.. -- TheOctavist VortexboxSBT(stock(TT failed dbt)Forssell MDAC-2Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra KleosBespoke Valve Phono StageMastersound Due VentiLink Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21545 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
ralphpnj;688432 Wrote: I don't believe that is a troll in the most common usage of the term with respect to internet forums. What he does is play devil's advocate, in that he does not make personal attacks but rather just posts a contrary opinion in order to stir the pot and more importantly to get one to at least rethink their rigid positions. Throw in the facts that on occasion he can also be funny and that he does not seem to take himself too seriously, something more than a few members might learn from, and I say that on the whole magiccarpetride is more than welcome to keep on stirring the pot. Depends on your definition of troll I guess. He also can be rude, crude, profane, misleading, flips positions at will, and try's to piss people off just for kicks. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck -- jfo jfo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1135 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
magiccarpetride;688442 Wrote: Define 'communicate properly'. According to who? There is more than one potential position of authority, as I'm sure you know already. And also, not everything that is official at a certain moment stays official for long. You know what I mean... No need to play games forever! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
magiccarpetride;688443 Wrote: Surprising to whom? Piano players? I think he means people like SBGK whose systems roll off at well above that... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?
vett93;687276 Wrote: My theory is that the weakest link in the system will limit the sound. However, good modern electronics can be had for a few $Ks. But good speakers usually cost more than that. So the speakers would meed more investment than any piece of the electronics. This is assuming that the quality of speakers increases proportionally with their price tag. Which is not my experience, not at all. To me, this is similar to asking what's more important for preparing a great meal: quality ingredients, or quality pots and pans? Now we all know that pots and pans that are used to prepare a dish can strongly influence the outcome. However I still think that, no matter how excellent pots and pans may be, they cannot salvage lousy ingredients. If you throw stale, expired, low quality cheap meat, potatoes etc. into an ultra high quality pot, the end result will inevitably be a bad tasting meal. But if you throw high quality fresh ingredients into an average pot, the resulting meal will still be scrumptious. But the best advice would be never to let trolls in your kitchen. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93317 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?
magiccarpetride;688451 Wrote: This is assuming that the quality of speakers increases proportionally with their price tag. Which is not my experience, not at all. To me, this is similar to asking what's more important for preparing a great meal: quality ingredients, or quality pots and pans? Now we all know that pots and pans that are used to prepare a dish can strongly influence the outcome. However I still think that, no matter how excellent pots and pans may be, they cannot salvage lousy ingredients. If you throw stale, expired, low quality cheap meat, potatoes etc. into an ultra high quality pot, the end result will inevitably be a bad tasting meal. But if you throw high quality fresh ingredients into an average pot, the resulting meal will still be scrumptious. But the best advice would be never to let trolls in your kitchen. Quite, so one needs to start with a decent recording/mastering... If you don't start with that, all bets are off! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93317 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
Phil Leigh;688449 Wrote: You know what I mean... No need to play games forever! To you, whose mind appears to be of a dogmatic, a priori bend, exploring things and turning every stone on the path may look like playing games... You are the official guardian of the official way of thinking, the officially established and sanctified truths, which is a very dignified position to be in. Others, the less docile ones, may have different approach to examining things. It is a matter of civility to tolerate others. Not everyone is constituted to think in dogmatic, eternal truths frame of mind. Some of us are more into fluid, relativistic way of thinking, exploring, behaving. We are the pluralists, we recognize the beauty of many differing world views, and we hope that the thousand flowers may blossom, and that there be bewildering diversity. Monolithic cultures suffocate us. But I'm not expecting you to be in a position to grasp that. Whsh! -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?
Phil Leigh;688452 Wrote: Quite, so one needs to start with a decent recording/mastering... If you don't start with that, all bets are off! All right, but assuming that to be the case -- assuming that we start from a decent recording/mastering (not such an unrealistic assumption, non?). Now what would be more important: the ingredients (i.e. the 'freshness' of digital bits that are being clocked and freshly converted to analog impulses), or the pots and pans (i.e. the speakers wherein the ingredients get 'cooked' and served as sound waves for consumption by our ear drums)? -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93317 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
magiccarpetride;688453 Wrote: To you, whose mind appears to be of a dogmatic, a priori bend, exploring things and turning every stone on the path may look like playing games... You are the official guardian of the official way of thinking, the officially established and sanctified truths, which is a very dignified position to be in. Others, the less docile ones, may have different approach to examining things. It is a matter of civility to tolerate others. Not everyone is constituted to think in dogmatic, eternal truths frame of mind. Some of us are more into fluid, relativistic way of thinking, exploring, behaving. We are the pluralists, we recognize the beauty of many differing world views, and we hope that the thousand flowers may blossom, and that there be bewildering diversity. Monolithic cultures suffocate us. But I'm not expecting you to be in a position to grasp that. Whsh! Thanks for the psychedelic bollocks... And it will take way more than you've got to whoosh me, -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
magiccarpetride;688453 Wrote: To you, whose mind appears to be of a dogmatic, a priori bend, exploring things and turning every stone on the path may look like playing games... You are the official guardian of the official way of thinking, the officially established and sanctified truths, which is a very dignified position to be in. Others, the less docile ones, may have different approach to examining things. It is a matter of civility to tolerate others. Not everyone is constituted to think in dogmatic, eternal truths frame of mind. Some of us are more into fluid, relativistic way of thinking, exploring, behaving. We are the pluralists, we recognize the beauty of many differing world views, and we hope that the thousand flowers may blossom, and that there be bewildering diversity. Monolithic cultures suffocate us. But I'm not expecting you to be in a position to grasp that. Whsh! Utter rubbish. If this is serious, it is the plea of fools and charlatans everywhere. If it is a joke, it is a very boring one, especially after the nth time. -- darrell darrell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13460 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?
magiccarpetride;688456 Wrote: All right, but assuming that to be the case -- assuming that we start from a decent recording/mastering (not such an unrealistic assumption, non?). Now what would be more important: the ingredients (i.e. the 'freshness' of digital bits that are being clocked and freshly converted to analog impulses), or the pots and pans (i.e. the speakers wherein the ingredients get 'cooked' and served as sound waves for consumption by our ear drums)? Well, when playing your vintage guitars (of which I have a few too )... How much attention do you pay to the plectrum/pick? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93317 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?
Phil Leigh;688458 Wrote: Well, when playing your vintage guitars (of which I have a few too )... How much attention do you pay to the plectrum/pick? Excellent question: I pay enormous attention to picks, as they make or break my performance. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93317 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?
magiccarpetride;688460 Wrote: Excellent question: I pay enormous attention to picks, as they make or break my performance. Exactly. So armed with a decent recording guitar) and a good pick (speakers) and a good amp(digital player) then what's next, guitar leadamplifier)?... Ther you go. The only thing we haven't covered is your ears/brain... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93317 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?
Phil Leigh;688462 Wrote: Exactly. So armed with a decent recording guitar) and a good pick (speakers) and a good amp(digital player) then what's next, guitar leadamplifier)?... Ther you go. The only thing we haven't covered is your ears/brain... Please don't cover them, I won't be able to hear anything. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93317 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
magiccarpetride;688453 Wrote: . But I'm not expecting you to be in a position to grasp that. Whsh! no need to repost mcr's nonsense yet again. Phil Leigh;688457 Wrote: Thanks for the psychedelic bollocks... And it will take way more than you've got to whoosh me, Phil, now I'm having misgivings for defending mcr in my prior post. I understand exactly what you mean about his playing games. Sometimes the games are worthwhile but often times they're not and, as darrell says in the quote below, most of the time the games are just boring. darrell;688459 Wrote: Utter rubbish. If this is serious, it is the plea of fools and charlatans everywhere. If it is a joke, it is a very boring one, especially after the nth time. For some strange reason, which is becoming stranger and stranger with each new mcr post, I still think that if magiccarpetride would put the games aside for awhile he might actually have some worthwhile information and ideas to contribute. But then again, maybe not. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The Transporter - Transporter 2 (oops) - Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should one hear sound directly from speakers?
I often read reviews that claim speakers disappeared in the room. My interpretation is that they couldn't tell the sound were directly from the speakers. I'd like to hear comments on this subject. On my main system, I can hear sound directly from the speakers. The center image is very clear for vocal music. With classical music like Nutcracker, I can also place various instruments. It is just I can also hear sound from the speakers. On my 2nd system, I rarely hear sound from the speakers. The sound stage is in between the two speakers. Both systems can play 180 degrees sound with music tracks using QSound technology. I can hear sound 90 degrees from my right and 90 degrees from my left, which is the way it was designed to do. -- vett93 Main system: Source: Transporter, modded by ModWright: http://www.modwright.com/modifications/transporter-truth-mods.php Preamp: Dude from Tube Research Labs: http://www.tuberesearchlabs.com/products/dude.html Amp: NP100 Platinum from AltaVista Audio: http://www.altavistaaudio.com/np100.html Speakers: Alto Utopia Be from Focal-JMLab: http://www.ultraaudio.com/equipment/focal_jmlab_alto_utopia.htm vett93's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13301 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93434 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Phil Leigh;688431 Wrote: What kind of issues? Is the sound quality of the touch tool 3 affected by the simultaneous playing of the 2nd touch on the same server? -- jmschnur Joel jmschnur's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a device to make internet radio streams sound better?
Yes, I use one myself to very good effect, the Behringer ultramatch Deq 24/96. Anyone that thinks this is horse shit plainly hasn't listened to one. I listen via a pair of Audio Note P4 monoblocs, with ESL63's. I have modified it somewhat as per Lampizator. http://lampizator.eu/LAMPIZATOR/TRANSPORT/behringer/Behringer.html Cannot recommend it highly enough it's cheap enough to try and Very good even in stock form. Transporter, Ultramatch, Audio GD Ref7 dac, Audio Note P4 monoblocs, Esl 63's -- mashley mashley's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36549 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
ralphpnj;688466 Wrote: I still think that if magiccarpetride would put the games aside for awhile he might actually have some worthwhile information and ideas to contribute. But then again, maybe not. I think, maybe not. If it is all an attempt at a joke, it still betrays that condescending, post-modernist mindset, that nothing is objectively true, there are only opinions and personal truths. So there would never be any firm foundation for a sensible discussion. Peel away the layers of the onion, and there's nothing left. If he was even capable of adding any value to these discussions, he wouldn't try to destroy them, simply to feed his own ego. Look at what has become of this thread, compared to the original post. It could have been interesting and valuable.. -- darrell darrell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13460 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should one hear sound directly from speakers?
I had a pair of BW 601's and they were superb little speakers and I had much the same experience as you. It wasn't until I changed to Magnepan MMG's and then Quad ESL63's that I could get them to entirely disappear it depends on the recording as to where the instruments are placed. YMMV -- mashley mashley's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36549 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93434 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
jmschnur;688469 Wrote: Is the sound quality of the touch tool 3 affected by the simultaneous playing of the 2nd touch on the same server? Not in my house. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge-Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player-Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance-WiFi Bridge-Squeezebox Touch-Toslink-Cambridge Azur 840C DAC-Adcom GFP-750 preamp-Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp - Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033-REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)-Little Dot Mk III amp-AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch-Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
As long as your network speed is adequate (and there's no reason why it shouldn't be), I'd say no difference. If for some reason the network was not up to it, you'll get pauses in playback as rebuffering occurs. Try it and see. -- darrell darrell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13460 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should one hear sound directly from speakers?
quote/ I'd like to hear comments on this subject. unquote/ At 17 K a pair they should do more than just disappear -- castalla 1 Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers - 2 duff ears - purfek! 1 Logitech Radio + remote - purfek! castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93434 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
magiccarpetride;688442 Wrote: Define 'communicate properly'. According to who? There is more than one potential position of authority, as I'm sure you know already. And also, not everything that is official at a certain moment stays official for long. Tiresome pseudo-intellectual faux-Continental-philosophy relativistic poseurism aside, it's often the case that one can make confident judgements about states of affairs in the world, without reference to authority. By any standard definition of trollish behavior, yours of late meets the standard. Reality isn't optional, as I noted before. -- totoro sb3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 + rel storm 3 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
magiccarpetride;688453 Wrote: To you, whose mind appears to be of a dogmatic, a priori bend, exploring things and turning every stone on the path may look like playing games... You are the official guardian of the official way of thinking, the officially established and sanctified truths, which is a very dignified position to be in. Others, the less docile ones, may have different approach to examining things. It is a matter of civility to tolerate others. Not everyone is constituted to think in dogmatic, eternal truths frame of mind. Some of us are more into fluid, relativistic way of thinking, exploring, behaving. We are the pluralists, we recognize the beauty of many differing world views, and we hope that the thousand flowers may blossom, and that there be bewildering diversity. Monolithic cultures suffocate us. But I'm not expecting you to be in a position to grasp that. Whsh! Nice ad hominem. Your position essentially boils down to a semi-literate interpretation of modern continental philosophy, insofar as it contains anything at all other than the ad hominem, and isn't even fit for arguing against, since simple mockery would suffice. Par for the course with you so far. -- totoro sb3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 + rel storm 3 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Gazjam;688411 Wrote: Whoa easy there fella... Apologies if your native language isn't English, the comment was meant light heartedly.(hence the smiley) That's the problem of a foreign language not well enough spoken - one just does not get the subtleties. So please accept my apologies if I overreacted ... The starting point was your question Gazjam;688326 Wrote: Question for the guys who are demanding Soundcheck prove his no claims made contribution to the Community and be honest ;) You running TT3 with your Touch setup? which sounded to me as if you wanted to say do not demand prove for this claims before trying it out for yourself. I do not intend to try it out unless there is at least some basic indication that justifies it - and until then I actually don't have to try it out because it simply seems to be very unilkely or even plainly stupid (depending on the actual claim). On the other hand I do ask for evidence whenever someone claims something that is not obvious (or generally accepted as part of the body of knowledge called science as darrell put it so aptly) - the more outlandish the claim the more convincing the evidence has to be. Gazjam;688411 Wrote: Did you genuinely mean me to try tweaks you suggested? I'm all for simple and cheap tweaks that work, but putting the Touch in a wooden box and wearing a tinfoil hat is fucking stupid. ;) No, of course not - they are indeed stupid. But while they might seem to be a bit more farfetched than the original claims by soundcheck and others in this thread, I wanted to illustrate that they are in fact just as plausible (or implausible for that matter). Think about it for a minute: on these 150+ pages with more than 1500 posts there is _not a single reasonabble argument_ supporting these claims. Directly asked for some verifiable evidence, soundcheck (and others) evade these questions and finally talk their ways out of it by saying no claims made - 150 pages is a lot of (wasted) space for no claims if you ask me ;) That being said, I fully endorse darrel's point of view stated in post #1553 above. Cheers superbonham -- superbonham superbonham's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22540 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
On 3 Feb 2012, at 21:33, darrell wrote: magiccarpetride;688453 Wrote: To you, whose mind appears to be of a dogmatic, a priori bend, exploring things and turning every stone on the path may look like playing games... You are the official guardian of the official way of thinking, the officially established and sanctified truths, which is a very dignified position to be in. Others, the less docile ones, may have different approach to examining things. It is a matter of civility to tolerate others. Not everyone is constituted to think in dogmatic, eternal truths frame of mind. Some of us are more into fluid, relativistic way of thinking, exploring, behaving. We are the pluralists, we recognize the beauty of many differing world views, and we hope that the thousand flowers may blossom, and that there be bewildering diversity. Monolithic cultures suffocate us. But I'm not expecting you to be in a position to grasp that. Whsh! Utter rubbish. If this is serious, it is the plea of fools and charlatans everywhere. If it is a joke, it is a very boring one, especially after the nth time. Feed the trolls, Tuppence a bag, Tuppence, tuppence, Tuppence a bag ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
On 3 Feb 2012, at 21:14, Phil Leigh wrote: magiccarpetride;688443 Wrote: Surprising to whom? Piano players? I think he means people like SBGK whose systems roll off at well above that... Much more likely that than piano players, don't you think? They'd all know, and most soloists would be well aware that, as I posted a couple of days ago, the special order Bösendorfer (the Imperial?) goes down to C0 or 16Hz, as can 't - common as muck in 't brass band - tuba in the right hands, although the usual tuba pedal note is a major 3rd higher at 20Hz E0. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a device to make internet radio streams sound better?
A good bottle of Scotch ? -- castalla 1 Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers - 2 duff ears - purfek! 1 Logitech Radio + remote - purfek! castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
What if one were to run some double blind tests (dbts)using only blind people. Would the results be different for them since their other senses may well be heightened, particularly their hearing. I'm not really serious about actually running such a test but I think it makes for an intriguing question. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The Transporter - Transporter 2 (oops) - Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a device to make internet radio streams sound better?
mashley;688470 Wrote: Yes, I use one myself to very good effect, the Behringer ultramatch Deq 24/96. Anyone that thinks this is horse shit plainly hasn't listened to one. I listen via a pair of Audio Note P4 monoblocs, with ESL63's. I have modified it somewhat as per Lampizator. http://lampizator.eu/LAMPIZATOR/TRANSPORT/behringer/Behringer.html Cannot recommend it highly enough it's cheap enough to try and Very good even in stock form. Transporter, Ultramatch, Audio GD Ref7 dac, Audio Note P4 monoblocs, Esl 63's Please re-read the question. Playing a 64kbs stream can only be improved by increasing the bit rate. It's something to do with the lack of information. Of course it could be digitally equalized but then improvement would be completely an opinion. Congratulations on your esteemed equipment ! I will suggest your coarse attitude is not appropriate. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Crackling only through server?
Thanks Gary, I'm about to try your suggestions. -- mashley mashley's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36549 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82558 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Crackling only through server?
mashley;688487 Wrote: Thanks Gary, Had my stats checked out and upgraded at the same time, hence no probs there. I was thinking PC problems myself, will re-install and see how that goes. Have you tried simply doing a full shut down and restart on the computer/server running LMS/SBS. I know it may sound stupid but sometimes the simple things get overlooked. Recently my Touch appeared to having trouble playing some files, as in the files played but the sound was way off with lots of distortion. A full shut down and restart on the computer running SBS did the trick and now all is well. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The Transporter - Transporter 2 (oops) - Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82558 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Crackling only through server?
mashley;688487 Wrote: Thanks Gary, Had my stats checked out and upgraded at the same time, hence no probs there. Just performed Transporter reset - it displayed Programming Xilinx? Will see how this goes now. I was originally thinking PC problems myself, will re-install if the above comes to no avail, and see how that goes. yep, that's it. xlinx reset is sometimes useful. -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) LMS 7.7.1 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) LMS 7.7.1 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.7.1 SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82558 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
cunobelinus;688482 Wrote: On 3 Feb 2012, at 21:14, Phil Leigh wrote: magiccarpetride;688443 Wrote: Surprising to whom? Piano players? I think he means people like SBGK whose systems roll off at well above that... Much more likely that than piano players, don't you think? They'd all know, and most soloists would be well aware that, as I posted a couple of days ago, the special order Bösendorfer (the Imperial?) goes down to C0 or 16Hz, as can 't - common as muck in 't brass band - tuba in the right hands, although the usual tuba pedal note is a major 3rd higher at 20Hz E0. +1 The sound that touches Sometimes she does a good job not humorous P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
I agree with you here The plural of anecdote is not data ;) -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
magiccarpetride;688443 Wrote: Surprising to whom? Piano players? Actually, no. My population there would me more like people who understand what a hz is. As you can see, piano players know better. p -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
darrell;688475 Wrote: As long as your network speed is adequate (and there's no reason why it shouldn't be), I'd say no difference. If for some reason the network was not up to it, you'll get pauses in playback as rebuffering occurs. Try it and see. You fight an impossible argument. By that I mean an argument of faith that cannot be refuted. They deserve their thread. They aren't asking for help or technical details. They know the technical details they are interested in. I have a navel too but I will not spend time studying it's function. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
pski;688492 Wrote: Actually, no. My population there would me more like people who understand what a hz is. As you can see, piano players know better. p I'd be surprised if piano players ever stopped to think what's the hz of the note they just played. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
magiccarpetride;688495 Wrote: I'd be surprised if piano players ever stopped to think what's the hz of the note they just played. Prepare to be surprised ! Read up on this thread ! There was once a proposal for a new diacritical mark. It was called the interobang and was the combination of an exclamation point and a question mark. Here's what it meant to imply: WTF? I really think the idea was ahead of it's time. So here's a more modern proposal: Choose your idea here of two characters put together. I'll wait OK, it means whatever ! no initial indicated. -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should one hear sound directly from speakers?
vett93;688468 Wrote: I often read reviews that claim speakers disappeared in the room. My interpretation is that they couldn't tell the sound were directly from the speakers. I'd like to hear comments on this subject. On my main system, I can hear sound directly from the speakers. The center image is very clear for vocal music. With classical music like Nutcracker, I can also place various instruments. It is just I can also hear sound from the speakers. On my 2nd system, I rarely hear sound from the speakers. The sound stage is in between the two speakers. Both systems can play 180 degrees sound with music tracks using QSound technology. I can hear sound 90 degrees from my right and 90 degrees from my left, which is the way it was designed to do. You have something else playing? Most of this is based-on dispersion and the distance from you to the speaker and the speaker from the side and back walls. I'm not directly involved with QSound and I really hope you are not here to sell it. The interactions of speakers and their environment is complicated enough without juju. p -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93434 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Gazjam;688493 Wrote: The plural of anecdote is not data ;) Ha! Good one! -- chill chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Crackling only through server?
ralphpnj;688488 Wrote: Have you tried simply doing a full shut down and restart on the computer/server running LMS/SBS. I know it may sound stupid but sometimes the simple things get overlooked. Recently my Touch appeared to having trouble playing some files, as in the files played but the sound was way off with lots of distortion. A full shut down and restart on the computer running SBS did the trick and now all is well. That's LMS now. I'm only on my third name. American Idol contestants should have a mandatory period prefix their names for the rest of their lives. Try to ignore the technical similarities to *nix and embrace the fact they need to be different and easily recognized. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82558 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
pski;688496 Wrote: Prepare to be surprised ! Read up on this thread ! There was once a proposal for a new diacritical mark. It was called the interobang and was the combination of an exclamation point and a question mark. Here's what it meant to imply: WTF? I really think the idea was ahead of it's time. So here's a more modern proposal: Choose your idea here of two characters put together. I'll wait OK, it means whatever ! no initial indicated. OK, good thing it's Friday, and you have the entire weekend ahead of you. Take it easy, get a lot of rest, drink a lot of liquids, and in general, relax and recuperate. We'll see you on Monday, and I'm sure the buzzing in your head will all get cleared up by then. Cheers! -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
cunobelinus;688481 Wrote: On 3 Feb 2012, at 21:33, darrell wrote: magiccarpetride;688453 Wrote: To you, whose mind appears to be of a dogmatic, a priori bend, exploring things and turning every stone on the path may look like playing games... You are the official guardian of the official way of thinking, the officially established and sanctified truths, which is a very dignified position to be in. Others, the less docile ones, may have different approach to examining things. It is a matter of civility to tolerate others. Not everyone is constituted to think in dogmatic, eternal truths frame of mind. Some of us are more into fluid, relativistic way of thinking, exploring, behaving. We are the pluralists, we recognize the beauty of many differing world views, and we hope that the thousand flowers may blossom, and that there be bewildering diversity. Monolithic cultures suffocate us. But I'm not expecting you to be in a position to grasp that. Whsh! Utter rubbish. If this is serious, it is the plea of fools and charlatans everywhere. If it is a joke, it is a very boring one, especially after the nth time. Feed the trolls, Tuppence a bag, Tuppence, tuppence, Tuppence a bag + And what also floats in water? A duck ! P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
magiccarpetride;688500 Wrote: OK, good thing it's Friday, and you have the entire weekend ahead of you. Take it easy, get a lot of rest, drink a lot of liquids, and in general, relax and recuperate. We'll see you on Monday, and I'm sure the buzzing in your head will all get cleared up by then. Cheers! Thanks doctor. I'll be very happy to ignore you now you've attempted humor in the face of ignoring the rest of us. -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;688509 Wrote: Phil, I am interested in getting some ferrites to try and reduce any rfi coming into my laptop, router, ethernet etc. You said you had used them for a no of years and I wondered if you have any recommendations for which ones to get and how to deploy them or is it just trial and error, also how can I measure their effectiveness ? If you don't mind my reply, the cores you refer to are and were used to reduce analog hum. Years ago late 80's I realized I could use computer grade cable to connect the stereos in my home at line level. The three stereo systems joined in a switch. By using the tape monitor inputs and outputs I could make things work almost as well squeezeboxen. Ferrite rings at the end of each connection prevented hum in the circuits. This is not to be confused with current digital wiring. Such physics-based rings can not have an impact on a digital signal's quality. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
