Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
First the Transport is great. I would like to see another version of the Transport with no features. Just a black box with digital outputs that just feed the raw PCM data (of cource after decoded from FLAC or other codecs) to our own personal choice of DAC. A slave clock input would be great. Personally I feel the Transports DAC has some dithering issues. Ajones -- AJones AJones's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15717 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
Hi AJones, Can you explain the reasoning behind your assertion that the TP's DAC has dithering issues, please. -- bigfool1956 David Ayers Music is what counts, hifi just helps us enjoy it more bigfool1956's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13782 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
As i stated it is my personal feeling that comes from personal experience recording music on digital systems for the last 15 years. The ditherin we use for our final master is Apogees UV22HR. There is a noticeable difference when the bypass is on. I hear a similar tonality from the transporter. Yes this could come from other factors too. If that my only complaint about the Transporter it shows how much I like it. And yes i use the build in DAC/pre. -- AJones AJones's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15717 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
I quite like the TP's physical design, but I quite understand that it's a personal preference thing. Much of what I see in audiophile magazines etc is exceptionally ugly to my eyes. Anyway, thought you might be interested in another datapoint. I spent a day with the SD crew at a show shortly after the TP launched demoing it and the SB3. I talked about the DAC, I talked about the balanced output, I talked about the jitter measurements. Far and away the most popular features were the handles and the VU meter display (and this was coming from people who didn't even blink at the pricetag). -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
russelk wrote: Robin I would very much like to hear about your Behringer DEQ2496. I have a feeling my listening room could so with some serious room EQ. How does the Behringer work and are the results worthwhile? Is it supplied with a mic? Russ, I have the Behringer plugged into my Transporter via the AES/EBU in/out and using the new loop functionality implemented in fw40. It does not come with a mic. I've played around with the manual eq settings and it seems to be good quality, i.e. transparent. Other than that I've not done any serious testing yet. I'll have more to say when I get a mic. Cheers, R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Robin I would very much like to hear about your Behringer DEQ2496. I have a feeling my listening room could so with some serious room EQ. How does the Behringer work and are the results worthwhile? Is it supplied with a mic? -- russelk SB3 -- Moodlab Concept DAC -- Creek Evo amp -- Quad 12L speakers russelk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12795 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
Robin Bowes;270900 Wrote: russelk wrote: Robin I would very much like to hear about your Behringer DEQ2496. I have a feeling my listening room could so with some serious room EQ. How does the Behringer work and are the results worthwhile? Is it supplied with a mic? Russ, I have the Behringer plugged into my Transporter via the AES/EBU in/out and using the new loop functionality implemented in fw40. It does not come with a mic. I've played around with the manual eq settings and it seems to be good quality, i.e. transparent. Other than that I've not done any serious testing yet. I'll have more to say when I get a mic. Cheers, R. Thanks for the reply Robin. I'm particularly interested in the auto room EQ function and would love to hear about it if and when you try it. My Denon home cinema amp has auto room EQ and it works wonders in the tv room. I've never used a dedicated processor/equalizer before. I understand it's usually plugged into the tape-loop of the amp, am I correct? -- russelk SB3 -- Moodlab Concept DAC -- Creek Evo amp -- Quad 12L speakers russelk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12795 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
russelk wrote: Thanks for the reply Robin. I'm particularly interested in the auto room EQ function and would love to hear about it if and when you try it. My Denon home cinema amp has auto room EQ and it works wonders in the tv room. I've never used a dedicated processor/equalizer before. I understand it's usually plugged into the tape-loop of the amp, am I correct? You could plug it in the tape loop of your amp, but in your case I wouldn't, unless you have sources other than the SB3 to which you want to apply correction. According to your sig, you have the following setup: SB3 - DAC - amp - speakers In your case, I would insert the processor in the digital chain, i.e. in one of the following ways: 1. SB3 - Processor - DAC - amp - speakers 2. SB3 - Processor - amp - speakers. Option 1. still uses your existing DAC and just uses the processor for the equalisation, etc. Option 2. replaces your DAC completely. I have mine setup as follows: Transporter - amp - speakers |^ v| processor R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
opaqueice;270841 Wrote: So can we take that as an official announcement that the Transporter 2 is on its way?? :-) Sorry, we can't comment on the possibility of any future product developments. -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager Logitech Streaming Media Systems slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
My wishlist is based on evolving the Transporter into a digital two-channel pre-amp. Right now I use it to convert and switch PCM audio from my cable box and two game consoles. Of course I also listen to music through it... Sadly, the Transporter is not quite there as a digital pre-amp. Here's what it needs: * One-button source switching on the front panel and remote (right now source switching is not reliable and requires frequent restarts) * User-configurable attenuation on XLR outs (as mentioned) * High-quality analog volume control (let's face it, it's a pain in the ass to limit yourself to the top part of the digital volume range before you lose resolution) * Small color screen for album art! * Removal of rack handles I will DEFINITELY buy this product... I love the idea of skipping the analog pre and going straight to the amp... -- gregeas gregeas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5877 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
I also think the rack handles are strange on a product like this -H -- haraldo Suse Linux / SC7 - SB3 - Benchmark DAC1 - Krell KAV400xi - Meadowlark Kestrel2 Everything is difficult before it's easy haraldo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
I think the TP as is works quite well as a pre (or in lieu of a pre). I agree that being limited to the top end volume is a problem, but that can be solved quite easily with a relatively cheap pair of attenuators. -- Shredder Shredder's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11380 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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JJZolx;270528 Wrote: Use a little common sense there... One VFD is included in a $300 product and two of the exact same displays in a $2000 product. What do you think the net savings could be from the $2000 unit if both displays were eliminated? Yeah i know what you are saying there. But along with the reduction in chasis costs and the removal of the buttons and the fancy jog dial would go some way to off-setting the cost of a Controller. I may be completely wrong on all that though :) -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
I concur with some of the other thoughts here. Here's what I'd do if I was CEO for a day: 1. drop the displays 2. drop the buttons and haptic knob 3. drop the case, sub in plastic, shielded only as much as necessary (there has got to be a lot of cost in short run aluminum case fab) 4. use the same circuit board, minus the display logic on the ribbon cable running to the display/controls, reduce r+d costs and mfr ramp up time (this obviously may not be technically feasible) All of these done in the name of reducing cost: I think the target should be sub 1k US? A price range that would get me personally interested. (Think about what the average pro-sumer spends on a nice mid-level DSLR, there seems to be a budget corollary there.) Call it Transporter Jr. or SB Receiver++, and leave the Transporter as is. Of course, I have no idea how the math works out, which ultimately determines the feasibility of a device like this. -- Super-Gonzo Super-Gonzo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=190 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
mvalera;269770 Wrote: According to what I was previously told by engineering, 802.11n is unnecessary. 802.11g has more than enough bandwidth, and it won't slow down a 802.11n network. g and n are compatible standards, you don't have the problems of a mixed b/g environment. This isn't entirely true. Read here: http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/802-11n-router-roundup.ars/7 Apparently some 802.11n routers offer 5ghz only modes which greatly increase performance (from this review only the Apple device, but I suspect that will change.) However, this mode only supports n, no b/g. Secondly, and I think a more important issue, 802.11n offers better speed at longer ranges than 802.11g (most HW anyways.) As previously discussed, bandwidth increases aren't really necessary for a audio only device, even if it is pushing 192/24. But, that assumes a perfect wifi environment. While the routers offer some range improvement to 802.11g devices (thus mitigating this argument a little) there's no beating the speed at longer range of 802.11n. Maybe this would help those that get occasionally drop-outs from sub-optimal network setup. All that being said, I care very little about this feature. It's a nice to have, but I wouldn't pay much for it. -- Super-Gonzo Super-Gonzo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=190 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
If cost is any issue, why not take the DAC from the TP and put into a Receiver case? Then sell it as an upgrade external DAC to SB3 and Controller owners/purchasers. Do the same with the TP PSU. You could end up selling Receiver/DAC/PSU/Controller for more net margin than a TP. -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
haraldo;270500 Wrote: Yes I know I just got carried away becase I'm looking to get a stereo system with the DSP X-overs.. There's a $300 Behringer unit (with six balanced outputs) that will do that. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
[- A reall power switch, located on the front of the unit. - A hardware input source selection switch to change digital inputs. I don't care that this isn't contollable from the remote - I just want something reliable.] Agree, hardware switches for some important functions are a lot more reliable than software selection only. I hate to pull the plug to get the transporter running again after the software has hung up. I would also like to have a hardware switch for the word clock input. -- mofuv mofuv's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
opaqueice;270631 Wrote: There's a $300 Behringer unit (with six balanced outputs) that will do that. Thanks for the advice, but the Behringer ultradrive is not geared for domestic usage There's no volume control on the Behringer boxes It requires an additional six channel preamp if you're not using digital volume control, which then will reduce the precision, doesn't work very well in domestic settings. Regards Harald N -- haraldo Suse Linux / SC7 - SB3 - Benchmark DAC1 - Krell KAV400xi - Meadowlark Kestrel2 Everything is difficult before it's easy haraldo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
I don't understand all this talk about removing central pieces of the Transporter, like the displays I'm not a marketing guy, but How many out there do you believe would pick a $1850 transporter without displays.? When the one with twin displays are an additional $150 I certainly wouldn't. Regards Harald N -- haraldo Suse Linux / SC7 - SB3 - Benchmark DAC1 - Krell KAV400xi - Meadowlark Kestrel2 Everything is difficult before it's easy haraldo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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opaqueice;270631 Wrote: There's a $300 Behringer unit (with six balanced outputs) that will do that. Yeah but digital, man, this is the audiophile forum! I actually would quite like this - the TP could have 6 analogue outs configurable either to be a (up to 3-way) digital crossover or 5.1 system, catering for both audiophile and videophile. Just software innit? One product for all. -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others SB+, EAR V20, Living Voice OBX-R2s plus some other stuff SB3, Charlize, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
I have only found one unit in the world that serves as a fully digital front end with 3-way digital x-over and fully balanced outputs - IN ONE BOX... and that also may server as a preamp... The Aussie deqx pre, which is about $10k around where I live. It doesn't necessarily have to be that expensive How about a modular output section where you can start with just the single analog out, and possibly add more modules, X-over or something else In this sense a Transporter could serve as one unit that does everything in a fully active system, and you only have to add poweramps. I'm sure the slim guys may do wonders in this area? Regards Harald N -- haraldo Suse Linux / SC7 - SB3 - Benchmark DAC1 - Krell KAV400xi - Meadowlark Kestrel2 Everything is difficult before it's easy haraldo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
haraldo;270720 Wrote: I don't understand all this talk about removing central pieces of the Transporter, like the displays I'm not a marketing guy, but How many out there do you believe would pick a $1850 transporter without displays.? When the one with twin displays are an additional $150 I certainly wouldn't. Regards Harald N Me neither! It isn't even a matter of price. I doubt I would buy one without a display. If don't want to look at the Transporter, put it in a closed cabinet (perhaps with some sort of ventilation). I like the look of it right now (well, I wouldn't miss the handles) - Perhaps it isn't BO, but I don't think a black plastic box without a display or any buttons would be an improvement! -- marlowe marlowe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12398 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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adamslim;270740 Wrote: Yeah but digital, man, this is the audiophile forum! Well, I guess instead you could stamp out three band-passed records from each master, and then hook up each one to a stereo amp going to woofer, mid, and tweeter. :-) And as a bonus, it'll be quite a fun game getting them to synchronize! -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
haraldo;270685 Wrote: Thanks for the advice, but the Behringer ultradrive is not geared for domestic usage There's no volume control on the Behringer boxes What's wrong with digital volume control? I'm pretty sure they use 24 bit internal math, so you've got lots of room before you need to worry about resolution. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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opaqueice;270779 Wrote: What's wrong with digital volume control? I'm pretty sure they use 24 bit internal math, so you've got lots of room before you need to worry about resolution. I have absolutely no objections to digital volume controls, if done correctly Some of the best gear that I've listened to (like the wadia cd players) solely employs digital volume controls what I do not propose is the idea of having 15 different boxes to cater for all the different digital needs. I don't like the idea of having to run a three day course to my family explaining how to turn on the hi-fi equipment and then the next two days covers how to switch sources. I have a good friend that's a former professional sound engineer, working with The cure and Dire Straits He's been working for a long while with his home audio gear... Right now he's got a Behringer Pro DCX2496 The idea is that this stuff really works, but the family can't really use the Hi-Fi rig because it's getting way too complicated and not aimed at domestic usage. What we need is simplicity and stuff that's easy to use and with flexibility. Adding a bunch of different boxes where you need to press 4 switches to change the source is not what the spouse really needs. I'm in for fantastic quality with simplicity ! Regards Harald N -- haraldo Suse Linux / SC7 - SB3 - Benchmark DAC1 - Krell KAV400xi - Meadowlark Kestrel2 Everything is difficult before it's easy haraldo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
JJZolx;270528 Wrote: I think there's about a one in a million chance of seeing a new Transporter now that Logitech is pushing the division to crank out consumer gear that will show a profit when sold by the boat load. That is a _completely_ baseless statement. -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager Logitech Streaming Media Systems slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Pat Farrell;270805 Wrote: why don't you just buy the Linn? Its from a mainline audiophile vendor/designer? All IMHO, of course Of course. I'm just not a fan of the Transporter chassis design. I'm not familiar with the Linn. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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mvalera wrote: JJZolx;270528 Wrote: I think there's about a one in a million chance of seeing a new Transporter now that Logitech is pushing the division to crank out consumer gear that will show a profit when sold by the boat load. That is a _completely_ baseless statement. And the rest of Jim's rant is not much better grounded. - A chassis designed by anyone other than Fred Bould, or any other industrial design company that designs furniture and flower vases and toothbrushes and consumer electronics. Something with more traditional lines and a solid front bezel. But it is in keeping with Jim's reputation. I have mentioned before that the little rack handles on the Transporter are silly, but I don't think that the general slam is justified. Jim, why don't you just buy the Linn? Its from a mainline audiophile vendor/designer? All IMHO, of course Pat ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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cheetah;269257 Wrote: Which area do you see that Transporter needs improving? Or any new features that the next Transporter should be equipped with? A beautiful, modern, elegant, and ultra high-end exterior/industrial design. Something where less is more(obviously without buttons and handles)and with a look feel reminiscent of, or even better than, Bang Olufsen products. I assume that for a fair amount of users, the Transporter sits in a prominent place in the living room rather than in an audio rack. Perhaps the design team should contract a famous designer to turn the Transporter into an 'Objet d'Art' that would earn the right to be displayed at the MOMA. -- Thierry Thierry's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12339 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Have you seen the design of The Gryphon Mikado? A transporter that looked like this would be a piece to kill for... http://www.gryphon-audio.dk/content/product.asp?ProductID=26 -H -- haraldo Suse Linux - SB3 - Benchmark DAC1 - Krell KAV400xi - Meadowlark Kestrel2 Everything is difficult before it's easy haraldo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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haraldo;270330 Wrote: A transporter that looked like this would be a piece to kill for... http://www.gryphon-audio.dk/content/product.asp?ProductID=26 Really? Everyone has different tastes I guess :) I do agree with other posteers that a version of the Transporter without on board controlls or screens would be a good idea. Like a high end Reciever. The VFD displays were always said to be a major cost item in the manufacture of the SB and the Transporter. Removing them and reducing the over all size of the case should allow for a less expensive unit. Not saying it would be cheap, just less expensive :) EDIT: Actually, even if a headless Transporter with a Squeeze Controller bundled together was the same price as the regular Transporter, I think there would be a market for it. But then, I'm not a marketing weeney (sorry JimC and the rest of merketing) so what do I know. -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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My wishlist for TP2 just has one thing, really. Six channels of analog output. (Well, eight would be even nicer, but six is enough to do 5.1, or alternately quad with bi-amplified active crossovers on the front). (Whaddya mean, there's not much multichannel source material? Build it and they will come :-) -- inguz inguz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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inguz;270483 Wrote: My wishlist for TP2 just has one thing, really. Six channels of analog output. Whoooa, now we are talking about a completely different animal than the TP today If we're talking multi-channel I really think it would be nice! with options for digital crossovers to handle 2 or three way speakers + stereo subs (6 or 8 channels) and with a digital loop you can add DSP. But this is a completely different product than what we have today... will also be reflected by the price tag... Hey guys are you into the digital pre-amp league, that's what we are actually talking about here Competing with Tact, Lyngdorf, Deqx Regards Harald N -- haraldo Suse Linux / SC7 - SB3 - Benchmark DAC1 - Krell KAV400xi - Meadowlark Kestrel2 Everything is difficult before it's easy haraldo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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haraldo;270489 Wrote: Whoooa, now we are talking about a completely different animal than the TP today If we're talking multi-channel I really think it would be nice! with options for digital crossovers to handle 2 or three way speakers + stereo subs (6 or 8 channels) and with a digital loop you can add DSP. But this is a completely different product than what we have today... Actually, I don't think he's asking for 6 channels to implement a digital crossover. He seems to be talking about surround sound. While most music is recorded in stereo, there's an ever expanding library of (most) 5.1 surround mixes. Many of these are inaccesable (in the digital domain, anyway) to the Transporter because they've been released on SACD or DRM'ed DVD-A, however there are a small number of surround DVD-A mixes released by audiophile labels such as AIX and Classic, which might be possible to extract to the hard drive totally in the digital domain. FLAC, WMA, et al support multi-channel, and Music Giants offers 5.1 downloads (although I'm not so sure how pristine is the lineage of their HiRes files). -- Timothy Stockman Timothy Stockman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8867 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Timothy Stockman;270495 Wrote: Actually, I don't think he's asking for 6 channels to implement a digital crossover. Yes I know I just got carried away becase I'm looking to get a stereo system with the DSP X-overs.. -H -- haraldo Suse Linux / SC7 - SB3 - Benchmark DAC1 - Krell KAV400xi - Meadowlark Kestrel2 Everything is difficult before it's easy haraldo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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funkstar;270338 Wrote: The VFD displays were always said to be a major cost item in the manufacture of the SB and the Transporter. Removing them and reducing the over all size of the case should allow for a less expensive unit. Not saying it would be cheap, just less expensive :) Use a little common sense there... One VFD is included in a $300 product and two of the exact same displays in a $2000 product. What do you think the net savings could be from the $2000 unit if both displays were eliminated? I think there's about a one in a million chance of seeing a new Transporter now that Logitech is pushing the division to crank out consumer gear that will show a profit when sold by the boat load. But just for grins: - Eliminate all server-software-controlled buttons and knobs. It was a move in an obvious direction from a company that does everything in software, but in reality they're just not very reliable or terribly useful. - One display. The 2nd display balanced the face in the eye of some designer, but is mostly useless. The case could be made smaller - there's nothing magical about a 17 width case and plenty of high-end gear is housed in more appropriately sized chassis. - A reall power switch, located on the front of the unit. - A hardware input source selection switch to change digital inputs. I don't care that this isn't contollable from the remote - I just want something reliable. - A chassis designed by anyone other than Fred Bould, or any other industrial design company that designs furniture and flower vases and toothbrushes and consumer electronics. Something with more traditional lines and a solid front bezel. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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SuperQ;269969 Wrote: You're right.. There are tons of video frontend boxes out there, but they all suck in major ways for various reasons. A Video Squeezebox/Transporter would be great. But I've heard before from the SlimDevices guys that they are all about music, not video. Maybe they can get another division of logitech to whip something up. Nobody knows which state anything related to video is now, I guess... Don't even think about the physical formats... How will you even get the HD stuff to a hard drive - Don't know where HD-DVD goes - Blueray standards seem to change every two weeks - Double level encryption on Blueray prohibits any kind of transfer to disk (or at least playing) - DVD Transfer to disk is illegal, and you may get sued if you do that I don't think any major player in the video business is even considering what's best to the consumers. This is a major minefield Regards Harald N -- haraldo Suse Linux - SB3 - Benchmark DAC1 - Krell KAV400xi - Meadowlark Kestrel2 Everything is difficult before it's easy haraldo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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hmm.. scouring down these lists i don't see anything that anyone suggested that strikes me as being a 'can't live without' suggestion. which makes me think two things: 1. the thing is pretty damn cool to begin with 2. don't expect a TP II anytime soon p.s. you guys do know you can turn off the display with the bright button, right? -- ratso THE ULTIMATE 2 CH. BUDGET SYSTEM? Emotiva BPA-1 monoblocks x4, Transporter, Channel Islands VPC-3 2 channel passive controller, Gallo ref. 3.1's, APC H-10 power conditioner, Dared VP-20 monoblocks, cables by Blue Jeans ***APPROX. $6500.00!!!*** ratso's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11493 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Definitely multichannel digital output (at least 6 reroutable channels). Convolution support, but if you are going to compromise quality to do it in the player then simply add the software to the Server side, should work on all current devices. Optional WiFi or none at all. No controls on the unit, screen on the remote like in Duet. But before all that fix the T1 digital input switching. -- nuhi nuhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10571 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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It has been mentioned a few times: hi res digital downloads are becoming more popular. Already now there are 24/48 and up 5.1 lossless files available. Only, right now, they cannot be played. So SACD quality material is still teathered to the siver discs. For me this is soarly missing. Redil -- redil redil's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14488 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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From most important (to me) to least: 1. No front panel, just like the SBR. I never envisioned a situation where I'd use the front panel controls instead of the remote, so a duet-style Transporter would be ideal. 2. 5.1 capability. More and more hires surround is becomming available. I've got an AIX 24/96/5.1 disc and I'm considering getting the Classic releases of the historic Bert Whyte recordings (24/96/3.0); it would be nice if the Transporter could play them. 3. 24/192. I've got several albums in this format. Not sure if I could bear a difference from 24/96, but it would be fun to try. -- Timothy Stockman Timothy Stockman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8867 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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opaqueice;269578 Wrote: To me, the obvious next step for SD is a digital home-theater-capable preamp. Start with something like the TP, add the capability to decode and output multichannel audio formats plus a sub/LFE channel, maybe add an analogue volume control and analogue passthrough, and you have a great preamp/source combo that I think would sell very well. More ambitiously, add TacT/Inguz style digital processing too. Totally agree that the next TP should come with a powerful CPU that can perform all the DRC on the machine and Wireless 802.11n standard and 192/24. OLED display would be aesthetically pleasing Anyone reckons how soon the already excellent machine should be updated! -- cheetah cheetah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7231 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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cheetah wrote: Totally agree that the next TP should come with a powerful CPU that can perform all the DRC on the machine and Wireless 802.11n standard and 192/24. Does this mean you want to wait until 802.11n becomes a real standard? Its not clear how long the bureaucracy will take to make it real, it is not now 'approved' in any sense -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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cheetah;269668 Wrote: Totally agree that the next TP should come with a powerful CPU that can perform all the DRC on the machine and Wireless 802.11n standard and 192/24. With respect, I couldn't disagree more about DSP! :-) Architecturally it is perfect now. You plug in what you want (and what you might want to pay for) and leave out what you don't want. If people don't like the current DSP plug-in perhaps Logitech or someone else can provide a much better one. That doesn't mean we stop using the plug-in architecture which has many advantages. Plus from a pure audiophile perspective I like the fact the processing is away from the player. Some things just _have_ to be on the player but DSP and the display don't. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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cheetah wrote: Totally agree that the next TP should come with a powerful CPU that can perform all the DRC on the machine and Wireless 802.11n standard and 192/24. Absolutely not. With the digital loop now functional, it is trivial to plugin an external DSP box to do EQ, room correction, or whatever. And you get to choose your own favourite processor, which will be optimised for signal processing. Case in point: I've just bought a Behringer DEQ2496 for ~£135. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Why not be happy with just what there is, TP is a fantastic product, doesn't really need any improvements. It's all about the music, sit down and enjoy, with what you've got.. Regards Harald N -- haraldo Suse Linux - SB3 - Benchmark DAC1 - Krell KAV400xi - Meadowlark Kestrel2 Everything is difficult before it's easy haraldo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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cheetah;269668 Wrote: Totally agree that the next TP should come with a powerful CPU that can perform all the DRC on the machine and *Wireless 802.11n* standard and 192/24. According to what I was previously told by engineering, 802.11n is unnecessary. 802.11g has more than enough bandwidth, and it won't slow down a 802.11n network. g and n are compatible standards, you don't have the problems of a mixed b/g environment. -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager Logitech Streaming Media Systems slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Microphone input with karaoke mode for parties :) -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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(regarding DRC) slimkid;269494 Wrote: I still can't believe it's not there to begin with. I mean, every piece of software out there has it (winamp, foobar, iTunes ??). Inguz is nice, but requires too much juice from server and provides more than most people need. This is as a result of SS/SC -not- processing the audio but merely sending it as data and allowing the player to do it. This is a GOOD thing. I don't want my OS playing around with the audio and improving it. Inguz has to decompress to WAV, make its modifications, and recompress, all in real-time. This takes considerable CPU grunt. I'm not sure what TacT uses but I bet it's not off-the-shelf DSP chips - more like RISC or even x86 CPUs. This stuff is easy in a software player that's doing the decoding, much harder in software that isn't decoding at all. Now the SB1 had an equalizer, so it is possible to do this in software by accessing some code in the hardware I'd imagine. Then again, many audiophiles would not want such uncleanliness in their signal path... Oh and regarding 802.11n, whenever I see this with respect to audio products, I always chuckle about it - it's the old mine's bigger than yours argument again (including 24/192, which is more like my numbers are bigger than yours). -- Mark Lanctot Ben Klass: I won't even eat a pre-7.0 meal. Well, unless it involves bacon. SB2, Transporter, beta SBR, beta SBC, production SBC Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Mark Lanctot;269807 Wrote: (regarding DRC) it's the old mine's bigger than yours argument again (including 24/192, which is more like my numbers are bigger than yours). you are right 24/192 are bigger numbers than 16/44, however if you have put in a lot of work to transfer your old vinyls to 24/192 I would like to enjoy them in that quality and not reduce them to lower numbers. If I would only enjoy numbers I would choose MP3 320, but I prefer to listen to the highest quality possible, this is what the audiophiles forum is all about. -- mofuv mofuv's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Based on the latest Stereophile, it needs to have a price tag to match the Linn Klimax DS. Which lists for only $20,000 per unit. Probably still to cheap for some audiophiles. -- pfarrell Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html pfarrell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=200 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Mark Lanctot;269807 Wrote: ...Now the SB1 had an equalizer, so it is possible to do this in software by accessing some code in the hardware I'd imagine. Then again, many audiophiles would not want such uncleanliness in their signal path... thks, that explains why there are treble and bass controls in prefs file that I couldn't activate :). So why was that discontinued? Fully agree with messing with the signal path, and that's why I was asking for something that can be switched Off and On (unlike Inguz that is happily crunching all the time). Now, back to the issue, obviously such EQ would have to be implemented into the SB, not the SC. Given that it already deals with lot, not likely that it will happen. K -- slimkid The sound stage will open up, bass will tighten and the imaging will improve. DVD performance will also increase substantially. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iAj2aPdQnk or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvMNuuFSvN0 slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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slimkid;269850 Wrote: thks, that explains why there are treble and bass controls in prefs file that I couldn't activate :). So why was that discontinued? Good question. I am assuming this was something that was handled in hardware by the SB1. The SB1 used a Micronas MAS3539 decoder. Anything newer uses a Xilinx CPLD - a programmable decoder which can allow reprogramming to use new codecs as they are developed. The Micronas chip was hardwired - the SB1 can never support any formats other than MP3 and WAV. I'm guessing that the Micronas chip allowed such adjustments, because surely these adjustments could only be performed during playback, which is what the chip is doing. -- Mark Lanctot Ben Klass: I won't even eat a pre-7.0 meal. Well, unless it involves bacon. SB2, Transporter, beta SBR, beta SBC, production SBC Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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pfarrell;269849 Wrote: Based on the latest Stereophile, it needs to have a price tag to match the Linn Klimax DS. Which lists for only $20,000 per unit. Probably still to cheap for some audiophiles. Today there might be only the Linn available at a crazy price tag, but others doing 24/192 will follow and will have a price which will comes close to the transporter. -- mofuv mofuv's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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For me the Transporter is one piece of a successful device. Even if one doesn't use or value each and every feature as * analog output section * digital output section * dual displays * knob buttons * black/silver rack-sized case * WLAN/Ethernet support * plays hires-audio this makes more sense than selling x different products each with a subset of these features - the price would certainly not drop proportional to the amount of removed properties. On the other hand the SBC will hopefully fill one (last) gap in achieving the attempt music listening in the 21nd century How much would i like to see a video device with such comfort and quality... * plays all formats * has different output options * controlled by webinterface, remote-control with a display and builtin buttons/knobs * streaming content from my server and the internet dreaming mode off This would be my Transporter 2 - without replacing the (still) great Transporter 1 :-) It'll probably take many years until i can buy one of these... regards, Markus -- schiegl schiegl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6654 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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I think it would be nice to have a DC trigger output on the Transporter as well as the Squeezebox, so it would trigger power to the other stereo components when you turn on the Slim Device. Currently you can apparently do this if you build your own separate circuit and also add a plugin, but having a built-in DC trigger output would be really useful. -- NewBuyer NewBuyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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schiegl;269941 Wrote: How much would i like to see a video device with such comfort and quality... * plays all formats * has different output options * controlled by webinterface, remote-control with a display and builtin buttons/knobs * streaming content from my server and the internet dreaming mode off This would be my Transporter 2 - without replacing the (still) great Transporter 1 :-) It'll probably take many years until i can buy one of these... regards, Markus You're right.. There are tons of video frontend boxes out there, but they all suck in major ways for various reasons. A Video Squeezebox/Transporter would be great. But I've heard before from the SlimDevices guys that they are all about music, not video. Maybe they can get another division of logitech to whip something up. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Which area do you see that Transporter needs improving? Or any new features that the next Transporter should be equipped with? -- cheetah cheetah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7231 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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For me, no screen or onboard controls just like the new Duet. I know that many people are opposed to this idea and like the screen, but there are many people who simply don't need or want it. I am sure there are many people like myself who cannot justify spending so much on the Transporter, but surely removing the screens and the associated on board controls would bring the price down. You might not all agree, but surely it benefits all to have a more affordable, mass market product with the same audio quality?? -- PLynas PLynas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11960 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Yeah, I`m sure there are many people, especially those with outboard DACs, who would like a less flashy unit which provides the same high quality digital out. -- JMACLAN JMACLAN's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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PLynas;269261 Wrote: For me, no screen or onboard controls just like the new Duet. I know that many people are opposed to this idea and like the screen, but there are many people who simply don't need or want it. I am sure there are many people like myself who cannot justify spending so much on the Transporter, but surely removing the screens and the associated on board controls would bring the price down. You might not all agree, but surely it benefits all to have a more affordable, mass market product with the same audio quality?? Turn the display off, or better, hide it in the closet. Im sure you would also like a computer without screen and a book without words. I assume that you sleep in a murphy bed, use in wall speakers and have everything including books inside closed cabinets... Just to keep the cost down... sorry, but this argument is even cheaper than no display for better audio quality. -- GuyDebord Reference3A RoyalMaster monitors biwired with van den Hul Inspiration, REL Strata5. AMPS: Pathos Classic One MKIII's in mono config. ANALOGUE: Clearaudio Ambient CMB, Satisfy Carbon Lyra Helikon SL, ASR MiniBasis SQ preamp, link: WireWorld SilverEclipse 5.2. DIGITAL: SlimDevices Transporter, link: AcousticZen Silver Reference2 XLRs. POWER: Isotek MiniSub GII, Isotek Elite cables (MiniSub, Rel), Siltech SPX30 MKII (Transporter), van den Hul Mainstream (Pathos) van den Hul Mainserver (ASR). GuyDebord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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The purpose of this thread is only an attempt to identify the areas of transporters that can be improved further in terms of its audio quality. -- cheetah cheetah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7231 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Analog pass-through -- riffer riffer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13459 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Passive analogue volume control. I would guess this is only of practical use to people doing DSP on the server which eats into player headroom in advance of the digital volume control. In this scenario a passive volume control like on the Benchmark DAC1 might be better overall. Anyway, I intend to be in the market for a new player at some point and it's a consideration for me. (But in the absence of DSP the digital volume control is IMHO pretty much the perfect solution.) Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
1. 32bit AKM dacs, perhaps 4-6/channel if it makes a positive difference. Going 32bit all the way internally shouldn't be that hard either. Transporter 32 sounds nice 8-) 2. Attenuators for XLR outputs for those who use it as a preamp. 3. I would spend some time on voicing the analog output section. Imo it could use a bit of improvement in microdynamics, it is something that conveys emotion and keeps listener interested. Perhaps (1) would address it by default. 3. Smart knob is nice but who really uses it? The only time it is handy is when the remote is lost or battery is dead. LCD touchpanel instead? 4. Any benefit to move to gigabit ethernet? Everything makes some difference so I would at least try it just for giggles. 5. Keep the price to a similar level as the original (or lower). Sub $2K is what most audiophiles can bear and if the product is good (this one is !) they will buy another one in a future. The competition among $1-1.5K dacs is pretty fierce. -- Kiep Kiep's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8844 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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[I`m sure there are many people, especially those with outboard DACs, who would like a less flashy unit which provides the same high quality digital out. I agree, best digital out, word clock input and up to 192/24, no need for wireless (does not go with 192/24). -- mofuv mofuv's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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192/24 is 9mbps, less if it's FLAC. 802.11g should be able to handle that fine in most cases (of course, nothing is guaranteed with wireless!). I think last time I tested I was getting in the 15-20mbps range most of the time. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
I'd like to see something in the $500 - $1000 range, with no display or controls, but with top-quality audio rivaling the TP's sound. It would come with a Squeezebox Controller instead of an IR remote. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
GuyDebord;269279 Wrote: Turn the display off, or better, hide it in the closet. Im sure you would also like a computer without screen and a book without words. I assume that you sleep in a murphy bed, use in wall speakers and have everything including books inside closed cabinets... Just to keep the cost down... sorry, but this argument is even cheaper than no display for better audio quality. Why? I guess you don't like the Duet much then. What's wrong with a Transporter version of the Receiver??? -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
Audio improvements only! Didn't you read the rules?! Anything regarding 802.11n or talk about an affordable headless version of the Transporter belongs on one of the regular idiot boards. ;-) P.S. - The suggestion about the headless, more affordable version of the TP is a good one. -- Kurt Kurt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2153 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
1) User plugable analogue board with choices of op-amp, discrete and valve stages 2) OLED displays 3) Ipod dock with support for playing S/PDIF feed from iPod 4) Use as Wi-Fi Access Point for laptop -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
A parametric EQ feature is a no-brainer addition to the software. It allows fixing and customization in-room that nearly every system in the universe could use. It could be turned off and presets would be possible. Wanna turn down the treble and boost the bass for those old Zep albums? No problem. Jazz and classical might want a lighter touch, preset #2. Pull the most out of a well-recorded vocalist's stuff? You get the idea. The Squeezebox/Transporter has the potential to be the first and absolute best option for doing frequency corrections like this. Inguz has a nice EQ, but it could be expanded and really should be a core feature of the software. -- miklorsmith miklorsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4349 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
miklorsmith;269485 Wrote: A parametric EQ feature is a no-brainer addition to the software. It allows fixing and customization in-room that nearly every system in the universe could use. It could be turned off and presets would be possible. Wanna turn down the treble and boost the bass for those old Zep albums? No problem. Jazz and classical might want a lighter touch, preset #2. Pull the most out of a well-recorded vocalist's stuff? You get the idea. The Squeezebox/Transporter has the potential to be the first and absolute best option for doing frequency corrections like this. Inguz has a nice EQ, but it could be expanded and really should be a core feature of the software. +10 for this. I still can't believe it's not there to begin with. I mean, every piece of software out there has it (mp3, foobar, iTunes ??). Inguz is nice, but requires too much juice from server and provides more than most people need. K -- slimkid The sound stage will open up, bass will tighten and the imaging will improve. DVD performance will also increase substantially. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iAj2aPdQnk or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvMNuuFSvN0 slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
Pale Blue Ego;269455 Wrote: I'd like to see something in the $500 - $1000 range, with no display or controls, but with top-quality audio rivaling the TP's sound. It would come with a Squeezebox Controller instead of an IR remote. While I'd love that too, the controller retails for $300. The TP is $2k. Do you really think taking out the display and controls would allow a cost reduction of $1300-$1800? Look at the Duet, you basically have a displayless SB3 + controller for $100 _more_ than an SB3. If the display-less TP controller was the same price as the regular TP I'd still call that a good deal. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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slimkid;269494 Wrote: +10 for this. I still can't believe it's not there to begin with. I mean, every piece of software out there has it (mp3, foobar, iTunes ??). Inguz is nice, but requires too much juice from server and provides more than most people need. K People can choose just to use InguzEQ and then they don't need to worry about building room filters with specialised software. The EQ GUI plugin lets you set, save and load EQ settings from the SB3/Transporter remote. (However you can choose, like me, to use it in a more complicated manner, but most people don't.) GUI aside, the actual quality of the generated EQ filters improved A LOT in version 0.9.27. It is possible to make closely spaced precise corrections now. If anyone has any suggestions for improvements hop onto forum.inguzaudio.com Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
darrenyeats;269511 Wrote: People can choose just to use InguzEQ and then they don't need to worry about building room filters with specialised software. The EQ GUI plugin lets you set, save and load EQ settings from the SB3/Transporter remote. (However you can choose, like me, to use it in a more complicated manner, but most people don't.) GUI aside, the actual quality of the generated EQ filters improved A LOT in version 0.9.27. It is possible to make closely spaced precise corrections now. If anyone has any suggestions for improvements hop onto forum.inguzaudio.com Darren Yes, but it still has a few drawbacks: - takes too much resources (there goes the idea of using an old PC to do it). - does not have an easy off/on switch. To take it down, one needs to change file settings on server. The way around is to bring bands to 0 and that still attenuates by 6 (or so DBs) and still uses PC resources. - Can not be used on the album by album or track by track bases (the way winamp works). I don't wont to do the whole room correction filter generation, but rather to adjust certain recordings that I feel don't sound right. It shouldn't be to difficult to make it to remember setting for the particular track or album. I probably don't see the whole picture here but I really don't get it what a big deal is. As mentioned in the prior post, every software player around has it and it doesn't seem to take any additional resources. Why would it be different on SS? K -- slimkid The sound stage will open up, bass will tighten and the imaging will improve. DVD performance will also increase substantially. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iAj2aPdQnk or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvMNuuFSvN0 slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
cheetah wrote: Which area do you see that Transporter needs improving? Or any new features that the next Transporter should be equipped with? I like mine pretty much as is. I never use the magic knob, but it is cool. I use a laptop or my Controller to pick music. I have only used one of the hard buttons on the front, the power button, which I think is really not a power button, but more of an attention button. The pseudo-rack handles are silly. I could see having optional real rack ears for folks who want it in a 19 rack, but I'm not sure there are really any customers for that. As far as I'm concerned, it could be in a smaller case, but many audiophiles want big cases and would prefer it to be much heavier. A bigger display would be good for me, I'm getting too old to see the tiny display from across the room, and I'm not willing to get out of my favorite listening chair. This is, of course, why the Controller was invented. So I'm not sure how important the display on the unit itself is. I wouldn't call it an 'improvement' but it might be cool to have a switchable pair of analog stages, one nice clean solid state, one creamy tubes. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
Based on some of the other comments.. here's my idea list: DAC update is a given considering the cost of the unit.. I wouldn't really have a good use for a new one without that. Color OLED screen, 1-2 inches high so fonts can be more easily readable from 15 feet. Would totally rock for visualizations. 192/24 would be neat, but I don't own a single bit of music that is better than 44/16. :-( It'd be awesome if it could replace my preamp. Basically include 5.1 channel decoding and DACs. I don't need a whole lot of inputs/outputs.. maybe 2-3 digital, and 2 analog. This is probably way outside the scope of what Slim wants to do. I don't need video switching at all, my TV does all of that.. just need to IR blaster commands to the TV.. or let my harmony do it. Oh, there's the solution.. A software integrated external video switcher/scaler. Another noisy thing for those audiophile guys to complain about is now a separate box. For those people without the TV inputs or harmony remote. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Wishlist for Transporter 2
To me, the obvious next step for SD is a digital home-theater-capable preamp. Start with something like the TP, add the capability to decode and output multichannel audio formats plus a sub/LFE channel, maybe add an analogue volume control and analogue passthrough, and you have a great preamp/source combo that I think would sell very well. More ambitiously, add TacT/Inguz style digital processing too. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
