Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
Archimago wrote: > Yes. It's a money-saving conspiracy :D LOL;) Well said. I participated in one of your listening tests and find your reports interesting! Paul P Nelson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58158 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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chill wrote: > Maybe Archimago is part of the conspiracy. Yes. It's a money-saving conspiracy :D Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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When I moved to the UK I been with ntl for a brief period before Virgin took over. Service was OK for a price but then I've moved to house without 'cable broadband' so been given Virgin ADSL.. Omg this was worst nightmare.. It took 7 months and ombudsman to escape theirs contract and get money back for shocking 0.3 mbps service ..later with Entanet(under old ownership) same ADSL line supported 4.5mbps (mind you house was quite a distance from exchange) but yeah Virgin support were absolutely useless bunch of liars. Few years ago Vodafone came close in terms of hopelessness when they couldn't provide static IP. 3x Squeezebox Touch, 4x Squeezebox Radio, Squeezelite (RPi 3B with HiFiBerry DAC+Pro on OSMC), Material Skin Apk, Squeeze Commander, Logitech Media Server Version: 8.2.0 with Material Skin (Docker in DS218+) Jaca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58187 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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cliveb wrote: > Don't get me started on Virgin. I was with them at the previous house. > The service itself was generally good, but when it came to giving them > notice it was impossible to contact them. On hold on the phone for over > an hour before giving up. On hold on their online chat for 100 mins > before giving up. Raised a complaint which took them 2 weeks to respond > to, informing me that I should phone them to give notice! > > In the end I just cancelled the direct debit and replied to the > complaints dept that if they want their so-called "superhub" back they > better email me.Do you remember what happened when Virgin decided to start > charging for support phone calls? It didn't take long for them to backtrack on that [emoji3] Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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slartibartfast wrote: > I take your point about Virgin tech support. Don't get me started on Virgin. I was with them at the previous house. The service itself was generally good, but when it came to giving them notice it was impossible to contact them. On hold on the phone for over an hour before giving up. On hold on their online chat for 100 mins before giving up. Raised a complaint which took them 2 weeks to respond to, informing me that I should phone them to give notice! In the end I just cancelled the direct debit and replied to the complaints dept that if they want their so-called "superhub" back they better email me. Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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If P.T. Barnum were alive today he would certainly be in the audiophile cable business toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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slartibartfast wrote: > I didn't change anything in my system but today it seems to sound better > than yesterday. I wonder how John Darko would explain that [emoji1787] > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk Weather? Yesterday you had cloud cover which suppressed your 1s and 0s down to 0.999s and -0.001s but today its cloudless? VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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P Nelson wrote: > I found the quote above interesting. > > There are some people that can do exceptional things that most people > cannot because of physical gift and training. We see it every four > years at the Olympics. I do believe some people can actually hear the > difference between a quality analog cable and very expensive versions. > However, at some point in quality improvement most of the population > cannot hear a difference because we do not have the physical gift. > > Digital transmission technology is designed to eliminate distortion, or > reduce it to very low levels, so the ability for most people to hear the > difference of an item digital equipment (that meets the proper > specification) is either impossible due to physics or exceptionally > rare. Therefore, if someone is exceptional and can hear the difference, > they should be able to prove it. > > The sentence about people would not buy the gear if they could not hear > a difference, while logical, may not be true. As someone said, there is > a sucker born every minute, and there are companies and salespersons out > to take advantage of it. The person that just spent the price of a car > on a sound system is told, dont rely on the power cord that came with > that expensive amp, you need $1000 cord. It is called the upsell with a > huge profit margin. The item is a small percentage of the total system > and the sales person says they can hear the difference, so the buyer not > wanting to admit they cannot hear it decides to buy it. There is also > the brain factor where we see things that are not really true, perhaps > this also applies to hearing. (Look up a TV show called Brain Games, it > is interesting.) > > PaulI didn't change anything in my system but today it seems to sound better than yesterday. I wonder how John Darko would explain that [emoji1787] Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Jeff07971 wrote: > "Its interesting how some of these other engineers (and their minions) > denounce what audiophiles are hearing as placebo and hallucinations. > They also demand double-blind and null tests for everything. Do they > really think intelligent people who are able to afford this gear would > drop lots of cash for something they dont really hear? > Time to get off that high horse, homie" > > I found the quote above interesting. There are some people that can do exceptional things that most people cannot because of physical gift and training. We see it every four years at the Olympics. I do believe some people can actually hear the difference between a quality analog cable and very expensive versions. However, at some point in quality improvement most of the population cannot hear a difference because we do not have the physical gift. Digital transmission technology is designed to eliminate distortion, or reduce it to very low levels, so the ability for most people to hear the difference of an item digital equipment (that meets the proper specification) is either impossible due to physics or exceptionally rare. Therefore, if someone is exceptional and can hear the difference, they should be able to prove it. The sentence about people would not buy the gear if they could not hear a difference, while logical, may not be true. As someone said, there is a sucker born every minute, and there are companies and salespersons out to take advantage of it. The person that just spent the price of a car on a sound system is told, dont rely on the power cord that came with that expensive amp, you need $1000 cord. It is called the upsell with a huge profit margin. The item is a small percentage of the total system and the sales person says they can hear the difference, so the buyer not wanting to admit they cannot hear it decides to buy it. There is also the brain factor where we see things that are not really true, perhaps this also applies to hearing. (Look up a TV show called Brain Games, it is interesting.) Paul P Nelson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58158 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Ahh, I can see where your thinking is going wrong. An audiophile looks at the 0's and 1's, not the other way around. ;) Lounge: Transporter>Audio Synthesis DAX Decade>Audio Research LS22>Krell FPB300>Wilson Benesch Act 1's + 2 x Velodyne SPL1000 sub's Kitchen: SB3>Topping DAC>Arcam Solo>Anthony Gallo Micro's+Sub, Joggler controller Office: SB3>Acoustic Energy AE1 Active's, Joggler controller Garage: Boom>QAcoustics 7000s subwoofer Bedroom: Radio Shed: Radio Workshop: Boom Garden 1: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers Garden 2: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Zombie wrote: > So the sound quality of the 1s and 0s from a ISP is correlated to its > customer support? The 1s and 0s are without doubt looked after more diligently. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Zombie wrote: > So the sound quality of the 1s and 0s from a ISP is correlated to its > customer support? Its more likely than the cable, Switch or router ! Jeff *Want a webapp ?* Get SqueezeLite-X ! https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?108550-Announce-Squeezelite-X=903953=1#post903953 Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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cliveb wrote: > I've just moved house and as a test of which ISP to go for decided to > try calling their tech support numbers and see how quickly they > answered. Zen picked up after a few seconds. > > In that time BT, Virgin or Sky would still be taking you through their > initial menu options and disclaimers about "high levels of calls leading > to delays" (is there ever a time when they're NOT in that state?) before > even getting into the on-hold queue. > > NB. Other high quality ISPs are available, eg. Andrews & Arnold have a > stellar reputation.I take your point about Virgin tech support. The most > annoying thing is they won't even talk to you the first time you call, you need to call back after trying all the useless "turn it off and turn it again" troubleshooting procedures first. Also when they run a remote test of your installation I have never known it to find a fault. Their broadband product is pretty good though.When we had an issue with the phone line we were switched to VOIP which I suspect is a clever ploy to make it impossible to phone to complain when the broadband fails [emoji3]. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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So the sound quality of the 1s and 0s from a ISP is correlated to its customer support? Zombie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Grumpy Bob wrote: > I ditched BT for Zen some years ago, largely because of the uselessness > of their tech support. Been happy with Zen, and their tech support is > great, only had to use it for issues to do with web hosting. > I've just moved house and as a test of which ISP to go for decided to try calling their tech support numbers and see how quickly they answered. Zen picked up after a few seconds. In that time BT, Virgin or Sky would still be taking you through their initial menu options and disclaimers about "high levels of calls leading to delays" (is there ever a time when they're NOT in that state?) before even getting into the on-hold queue. NB. Other high quality ISPs are available, eg. Andrews & Arnold have a stellar reputation. Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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d6jg wrote: > All piss take aside not all ISPs are the same. > UK > In general you do get what you pay for in this arena. Go cheap and you > get a cheap router and a heavily contended network and a shit level of > Technical Support usually from a third world call centre where English > is not the first language. > Go for a business grade provider eg Zen and you will get a decent > router, a free really fixed IP, it will be faster and youll be unlucky > if you have to find out how good Tech Support is. (I will tell you > though its UK based and they know what they are doing.) Its a couple > of £ more per month. I ditched BT for Zen some years ago, largely because of the uselessness of their tech support. Been happy with Zen, and their tech support is great, only had to use it for issues to do with web hosting. Robert *Home: *Raspberry Pi 4/pCP7.0/LMS8.0.1/Material with files on QNAP TS-251A Touch > DacMagic 100 > Naim Audio Nait 3 > Mission 752 (plus Rega Planar 3 > Rega Fono Mini; Naim CD3) 2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 (retired), spare Pi2/piCorePlayer *Office:* LMS8.0.0 running on Raspberry Pi3; Raspberry Pi 3 player with touchscreen/piCorePlayer/IQaudIO DAC and Amp *Portable:* Raspberry Pi 3B/pCP6.1.0/LMS8.0.0/Material, files on Seagate portable drive, powered via power brick Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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d6jg wrote: > All piss take aside not all ISPs are the same. > UK > In general you do get what you pay for in this arena. Go cheap and you > get a cheap router and a heavily contended network and a shit level of > Technical Support usually from a third world call centre where English > is not the first language. > Go for a business grade provider eg Zen and you will get a decent > router, a free really fixed IP, it will be faster and youll be unlucky > if you have to find out how good Tech Support is. (I will tell you > though its UK based and they know what they are doing.) Its a couple > of £ more per month. At most places in the United States, one has essentially zero choice in IP providers (sadly). At most, one might have the Cable TV company IP vs. the telephone company IP. Given the monopoly, service is crap. *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0/4TB>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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All piss take aside not all ISPs are the same. UK In general you do get what you pay for in this arena. Go cheap and you get a cheap router and a heavily contended network and a shit level of Technical Support usually from a third world call centre where English is not the first language. Go for a business grade provider eg Zen and you will get a decent router, a free really fixed IP, it will be faster and youll be unlucky if you have to find out how good Tech Support is. (I will tell you though its UK based and they know what they are doing.) Its a couple of £ more per month. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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slartibartfast wrote: > That's because he has an "open mind" [emoji1787] > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk Obviously the SQ was at an optimum level during school hours but Im sure he could detect a fall off as soon as the kids came out of school? VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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d6jg wrote: > Obviously the SQ was at an optimum level during school hours but Im > sure he could detect a fall off as soon as the kids came out of school? ;) *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0/4TB>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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ftlight wrote: > One of the audiophile "testers" was switching ISPs, and determined that > he could hear a difference in the sound depending on whether it came > over the coax cable broadband connection of his old provider or the > fiber optic connection of the new one.That's because he has an "open mind" > [emoji1787] Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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One of the audiophile "testers" was switching ISPs, and determined that he could hear a difference in the sound depending on whether it came over the coax cable broadband connection of his old provider or the fiber optic connection of the new one. ftlight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5294 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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ftlight wrote: > Quoting this great comment on that thread: > > I don't quite understand why this kind of unfettered product pimping via > pseudoscientific "tests" is not called out here, and yet a thread "why > was CD 44.1kHz", with no inflammatory happenings and just informative > posts (with even links from one of the engineers at Philips) is deleted > without fanfare. > > I'm listening to BBC Radio 1 on my Yamaha receiver "net radio". The data > goes: > > 1. Through 1m of cat5e, > 2. To an ASUS wireless access point in bridge mode, > 3. Through WiFi 802.11a for about 25 feet to another floor, > 4. To a Belkin WiFi router with DD-WRT, also acting as a transparent > bridge and switch, > 5. Through a cat5e patch cable to a wall jack, > 6. Through another 15 feet of structured Cat5e riser cable to a basement > patch panel, > 7. Through another Cat5e patch cable to a D-Link managed gigabit > switch, > 8. Another patch cable to a firewall appliance running on a VMWare > virtual machine on a Dell Optiplex, > 9. Out another network adapter and patch cable to a Motorola cable > modem. > 10. Converted into DOCSYS3 and sent out through coax RG6 to a customer > termination block, > 11. Up the house pole, and across the street, where it is joined in with > the rest of the neighborhood cable plant, > 12. Likely to a neighborhood hybrid fiber/coaxial termination > transponder, > 13. Then via fiber to a cable company signal distribution hub and > headend, where it meets IP routers and many patch cables in the data > center, > 14. Routed from Portland to Seattle and then to Kansas city through > interstate fiber feeds and paired commercial connections, > 15. Received by a Lightwave Networks peering agreement router and then > ingressed into their content distribution network datacenter, > 16. Where a signal is sent to me that has been repeated from a coastal > fiber endpoint such as Mae East, and then has crossed the Atlantic via > an undersea fiber optic cable, > 17. and repeat this complexity backwards to get into the BBC to their > server farm, transcoding machines, digital studio workstations, serving > audio to DJs with a system like Prophet or Zetta off a digital music > datastore. > > Exactly what Ethernet cable is preventing me from hearing the music > exactly like it would be heard in the studio or in another country? Brilliant. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Fahzz wrote: > If you want 67 pages of diatribe on this subject: > https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/ethernet-cables-in-for-evaluation.840789/ > > I know there's threads on Audio Science Review which are (a lot) more > rational. Like I said earlier, cable issues make people nuts. Quoting this great comment on that thread: I don't quite understand why this kind of unfettered product pimping via pseudoscientific "tests" is not called out here, and yet a thread "why was CD 44.1kHz", with no inflammatory happenings and just informative posts (with even links from one of the engineers at Philips) is deleted without fanfare. I'm listening to BBC Radio 1 on my Yamaha receiver "net radio". The data goes: 1. Through 1m of cat5e, 2. To an ASUS wireless access point in bridge mode, 3. Through WiFi 802.11a for about 25 feet to another floor, 4. To a Belkin WiFi router with DD-WRT, also acting as a transparent bridge and switch, 5. Through a cat5e patch cable to a wall jack, 6. Through another 15 feet of structured Cat5e riser cable to a basement patch panel, 7. Through another Cat5e patch cable to a D-Link managed gigabit switch, 8. Another patch cable to a firewall appliance running on a VMWare virtual machine on a Dell Optiplex, 9. Out another network adapter and patch cable to a Motorola cable modem. 10. Converted into DOCSYS3 and sent out through coax RG6 to a customer termination block, 11. Up the house pole, and across the street, where it is joined in with the rest of the neighborhood cable plant, 12. Likely to a neighborhood hybrid fiber/coaxial termination transponder, 13. Then via fiber to a cable company signal distribution hub and headend, where it meets IP routers and many patch cables in the data center, 14. Routed from Portland to Seattle and then to Kansas city through interstate fiber feeds and paired commercial connections, 15. Received by a Lightwave Networks peering agreement router and then ingressed into their content distribution network datacenter, 16. Where a signal is sent to me that has been repeated from a coastal fiber endpoint such as Mae East, and then has crossed the Atlantic via an undersea fiber optic cable, 17. and repeat this complexity backwards to get into the BBC to their server farm, transcoding machines, digital studio workstations, serving audio to DJs with a system like Prophet or Zetta off a digital music datastore. Exactly what Ethernet cable is preventing me from hearing the music exactly like it would be heard in the studio or in another country? ftlight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5294 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
DLD-UK wrote: > I purchased "so called" audio grade USB and Network cables at a hifi > show. Wasn't expecting to hear any difference and I never tested them > against normal cables to see, but I'm glad I bought them. They were on > offer at the show and cost no more than the equivalent computer cables. > The company admitted that they hardly ever sell any which is why they > were practically giving them away. > > So, why am I glad I bought them? Simple, it makes wiring so much easier > when the cable looks nothing like any of the others. > > What I am curious about is the categories on network cables. My audio > network cables are Cat 8. I know Cat 8 supports longer distancing and > better shielding but my question is what impact does shielding have in > normal circumstances? > > As they were so cheap I thought I had nothing to loose as I use them in > a location with loads of other equipment. I know things like microwave > ovens can have a significant impact with interference but has anyone > noticed an impact on lower specified network cables? I'm thinking in > terms of drop outs or buffering etc.? A concise, readable and accurate discussion on why TCP/IP works so reliably can be found at http://www.myreadingroom.co.in/notes-and-studymaterial/68-dcn/853-error-control-in-tcp.html. I quote "TCP provides reliability using error control. Error control includes mechanisms for detecting corrupted segments, lost segments, out-of-order segments, and duplicated segments. Error control also includes a mechanism for correcting errors after they are detected. Error detection and correction in TCP is achieved through the use of three simple tools: checksum, acknowledgment, and time-out." The thing is, the higher-order CAT-X cables are physically built from a shielding and twisted-pair density factor to carry higher frequencies more reliably. Meaning more bits/sec down the line. If you try to shove 10GHz data down a CAT3 cable nothing will arrive reliably at the other end because the cable is not built to carry those frequencies. In a normal house, CAT5e or CAT6 is enough for Gigabit ethernet at the kind of cable lengths one normally finds at home. Error correction in TCP/IP s not guesswork. It's either retransmission or mathematical reconstruction. If you know that 3 + 5 + X = 9 then you don't guess the value of X, you calculate it to be 1. This is the biggest mistake Audiophiles make - they assume corrupt data has to be guessed when it is simply either re-sent down the line or else calculated based on the checksums sent together with the real data. It was the same crap when the CD came out and Audiophiles worried that CD players had to guess values for the 1s and 0s lost to scratches - in reality they were mathematically reconstructed with FULL accuracy. Period. That's why any claims about ethernet cables/switches/routers are total bx when it comes to audio data transcending them :cool: philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Funny that the last few metres of cable has such a big influence on the sound. The 1s and 0s have passed through kilometres of network cables and all kinds of routers, switches, noisy server environments and god knows what else, but it is still the last bit that changes the world. Zombie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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DLD-UK wrote: > I purchased "so called" audio grade USB and Network cables at a hifi > show. Wasn't expecting to hear any difference and I never tested them > against normal cables to see, but I'm glad I bought them. They were on > offer at the show and cost no more than the equivalent computer cables. > The company admitted that they hardly ever sell any which is why they > were practically giving them away. > > So, why am I glad I bought them? Simple, it makes wiring so much easier > when the cable looks nothing like any of the others. > > What I am curious about is the categories on network cables. My audio > network cables are Cat 8. I know Cat 8 supports longer distancing and > better shielding but my question is what impact does shielding have in > normal circumstances? > > As they were so cheap I thought I had nothing to loose as I use them in > a location with loads of other equipment. I know things like microwave > ovens can have a significant impact with interference but has anyone > noticed an impact on lower specified network cables? I'm thinking in > terms of drop outs or buffering etc.? If you want 67 pages of diatribe on this subject: https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/ethernet-cables-in-for-evaluation.840789/ I know there's threads on Audio Science Review which are (a lot) more rational. Like I said earlier, cable issues make people nuts. Living Room: Pi3 w/Allo Digione Player (Wired), Max2Play w/LMS Server 8.0 and SqueezeLite Pioneer Elite VSX 80, Parasound 2125 v2 KEF LS50's, Paradigm SE Center, SVS SB12-NSD Subwoofer, Paradigm Atom v.5 Surrounds Harmony Smart Control w/Hub and iPeng Dining Room: KEF Q100's Bedroom: Logitech Boom Porch: Boston Acoustics Voyager Metro II Router: Netgear R700P File Storage: Samsung T5 SSD Music Service: Qobuz Fahzz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12585 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
I purchased "so called" audio grade USB and Network cables at a hifi show. Wasn't expecting to hear any difference and I never tested them against normal cables to see, but I'm glad I bought them. They were on offer at the show and cost no more than the equivalent computer cables. The company admitted that they hardly ever sell any which is why they were practically giving them away. So, why am I glad I bought them? Simple, it makes wiring so much easier when the cable looks nothing like any of the others. What I am curious about is the categories on network cables. My audio network cables are Cat 8. I know Cat 8 supports longer distancing and better shielding but my question is what impact does shielding have in normal circumstances? As they were so cheap I thought I had nothing to loose as I use them in a location with loads of other equipment. I know things like microwave ovens can have a significant impact with interference but has anyone noticed an impact on lower specified network cables? I'm thinking in terms of drop outs or buffering etc.? DLD-UK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46157 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Heuer wrote: > From what i have read these super switches sit upstream of the source > (NAS, Tidal etc) and act as a sort of noise condoim. From Uptone: > > "The heart of what makes our switch so unique is use of ACTIVE, > HIGH-SPEED, LOW-JITTER DIFFERENTIAL DIGITAL ISOLATOR chips in > conjunction with ULTRA-LOW JITTER DIFFERENTIAL RE-CLOCKING FLIP-FLOPS. > No other Ethernet switch on the market does this. Implementing this > architecture correctly is difficult and costly! > > Going from port-to-port on the A side of EtherREGEN is already better > than most any other switch, but crossing our Active Differential > Isolation Moat (ADIM)to its B sidebrings an unmatched level of > Ethernet performance for audio. On the circuit board photos you can see > the EtherREGENs moat, across which sit the differential digital > isolators. > > The design methods and innovative ADIM of the EtherREGEN results in > dual, isolated clock/data/power domains, blockage of all external > leakage currents, a significant reduction in upstream phase-noise > fingerprint, and maximal signal integrity." Lots of pseudo techie words put together in long sentences but I still read it as bollox. I am fully prepared to accept that power supply to a device such as a DAC can have a bearing on the analogue output but on the digital side a 1 is a 1 etc yet these purveyors of highly priced snake oil switches would have you believe the 1s are sharper and the 0s more rounded. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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>From what I have read these super switches sit upstream from the source (NAS, Tidal, Spotify etc) and act like a noise condom. From Uptone: "The heart of what makes our switch so unique is use of ACTIVE, HIGH-SPEED, LOW-JITTER DIFFERENTIAL DIGITAL ISOLATOR chips in conjunction with ULTRA-LOW JITTER DIFFERENTIAL RE-CLOCKING FLIP-FLOPS. No other Ethernet switch on the market does this. Implementing this architecture correctly is difficult and costly! Going from port-to-port on the A side of EtherREGEN is already better than most any other switch, but__crossing_our_*A*ctive_*D*ifferential_*I*solation_*M*oat__(*ADIM*)_to_its_B_sidebrings_an_unmatched_level_of_Ethernet_performance_for_audio._ On the circuit board photos you can see the EtherREGENs moat, across which sit the differential digital isolators. The design methods and innovative ADIM of the EtherREGEN results in dual, isolated clock/data/power domains, blockage of all external leakage currents, a significant reduction in upstream phase-noise fingerprint, and maximal signal integrity." I think they need an font isolator between their keyboard and PC to stop the constant jitter in their typeface/bold/capital choices! I gave up reading their web site as my eyes were polluted. :rolleyes::rolleyes: Lounge: Transporter>Audio Synthesis DAX Decade>Audio Research LS22>Krell FPB300>Wilson Benesch Act 1's + 2 x Velodyne SPL1000 sub's Kitchen: SB3>Topping DAC>Arcam Solo>Anthony Gallo Micro's+Sub, Joggler controller Office: SB3>Acoustic Energy AE1 Active's, Joggler controller Garage: Boom>QAcoustics 7000s subwoofer Bedroom: Radio Shed: Radio Workshop: Boom Garden 1: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers Garden 2: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Jeff07971 wrote: > "Its interesting how some of these other engineers (and their minions) > denounce what audiophiles are hearing as placebo and hallucinations. > They also demand double-blind and null tests for everything. Do they > really think intelligent people who are able to afford this gear would > drop lots of cash for something they dont really hear? > Time to get off that high horse, homie" > > Do you think they're missing the point somewhat ? > > Jeff Umm, yes I do. Membership in the in-group always comes at a cost. LMS on a dedicated server (FitPC3) Transporter (Ethernet) - main listening, Onkyo receiver, Paradigm speakers Touch (WiFi) - home theater 5.1, Sony receiver, Energy speakers Boom 1 (WiFi) - work-space Boom 2 (WiFi) - various (deck, garage, etc.) Radio (WiFi) - home office Control - Squeeze Control (Android mobile), 2 Controllers (seldom used), Squeeze Remote (on Surface Pro 4) Touch x 1 - spare UE Radio x 1 - spare Boom x 1 - spare Controller x 1 - Spare Duet Receiver (backup) RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Heuer wrote: > There are none; these magic switches sit between router/switches on your > network and your streamer/DAC. The one people are raving about at the > moment is the Uptone EtherREGEN (available from Audiostore, who sell the > DAC32, in the UK): https://uptoneaudio.com/products/etherregen > > Interestingly the linear psu costs more than the Uptone switch! > https://www.vortexbox.co.uk/Uptone_EtherREGEN_UK_stock/p317978_19934674.aspx But my point is the signal could already be polluted due to a dirty router before it gets to the magic roundabout I mean switch. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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d6jg wrote: > Thats a switch not a router! > I still havent seen a router claimed as audio grade > I.e. one that claims to deliver better than perfect 1s and 0s from > Qobuz, Tidal etc with no noise There are none; these magic switches sit between router/switches on your network and your streamer/DAC. The one people are raving about at the moment is the EtherREGEN (available from Audiostore, who sell the DAC32, in the UK): https://uptoneaudio.com/products/etherregen Interestingly the linear psu costs more than the switch! Lounge: Transporter>Audio Synthesis DAX Decade>Audio Research LS22>Krell FPB300>Wilson Benesch Act 1's + 2 x Velodyne SPL1000 sub's Kitchen: SB3>Topping DAC>Arcam Solo>Anthony Gallo Micro's+Sub, Joggler controller Office: SB3>Acoustic Energy AE1 Active's, Joggler controller Garage: Boom>QAcoustics 7000s subwoofer Bedroom: Radio Shed: Radio Workshop: Boom Garden 1: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers Garden 2: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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d6jg wrote: > Thats a switch not a router! > I still havent seen a router claimed as audio grade I.e. one that > claims to deliver better than perfect 1s and 0s from Qobuz, Tidal etc > with no noise Maybe something for the Polyvection guys to do as their next product [emoji51] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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mrw wrote: > Excellent ! > > For those unaware, this term carries a meaning in British English that, > apparently, is not universally shared/adopted/understood in other > "Englishes": > https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/prat Thanks for the helpful translation! LMS 8 nightly running on Raspberry Pi OS. Mostly virtual players, occasionally with SB Radio, Boom or Classic. RobbH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Jeff07971 wrote: > "increased pace, rhythm, attack and timing (PRAT)" > > He got it in one > Excellent ! For those unaware, this term carries a meaning in British English that, apparently, is not universally shared/adopted/understood in other "Englishes": https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/prat mrw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38299 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Heuer wrote: > Here you go: > https://audiopc.shop/en/winkel/network/reference-audiophile-switch-quad-switch-ocxo-ppa-studio-paul-pang/ Thats a switch not a router! I still havent seen a router claimed as audio grade I.e. one that claims to deliver better than perfect 1s and 0s from Qobuz, Tidal etc with no noise VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Heuer wrote: > Here you go: > https://audiopc.shop/en/winkel/network/reference-audiophile-switch-quad-switch-ocxo-ppa-studio-paul-pang/ "increased pace, rhythm, attack and timing (PRAT)" He got it in one Jeff *Want a webapp ?* Get SqueezeLite-X ! https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?108550-Announce-Squeezelite-X=903953=1#post903953 Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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d6jg wrote: > Ive never seen an Audio Grade Router but no doubt someone claims one > . Here you go: https://audiopc.shop/en/winkel/network/reference-audiophile-switch-quad-switch-ocxo-ppa-studio-paul-pang/ Lounge: Transporter>Audio Synthesis DAX Decade>Audio Research LS22>Krell FPB300>Wilson Benesch Act 1's + 2 x Velodyne SPL1000 sub's Kitchen: SB3>Topping DAC>Arcam Solo>Anthony Gallo Micro's+Sub, Joggler controller Office: SB3>Acoustic Energy AE1 Active's, Joggler controller Garage: Boom>QAcoustics 7000s subwoofer Bedroom: Radio Shed: Radio Workshop: Boom Garden 1: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers Garden 2: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Zombie wrote: > They pay because they can afford it. And the rest is expectation bias. > Who says a person spending thousands on a switch is an "audiophile" and > can hear a difference? I think most of them just have too much money.Buying > the switch makes them an audiophile [emoji3] Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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One wonders what the Audiofools who buy audio grade ethernet switches do about their $£ 20 ISP supplied routers? Ive never seen an Audio Grade Router but no doubt someone claims one . VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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It does not stop with the switch, you also need to spend £70/metre on thernet cable: https://www.mcru.co.uk/product/meicord-audiophile-ethernet-network-cables/ Lounge: Transporter>Audio Synthesis DAX Decade>Audio Research LS22>Krell FPB300>Wilson Benesch Act 1's + 2 x Velodyne SPL1000 sub's Kitchen: SB3>Topping DAC>Arcam Solo>Anthony Gallo Micro's+Sub, Joggler controller Office: SB3>Acoustic Energy AE1 Active's, Joggler controller Garage: Boom>QAcoustics 7000s subwoofer Bedroom: Radio Shed: Radio Workshop: Boom Garden 1: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers Garden 2: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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They pay because they can afford it. And the rest is expectation bias. Who says a person spending thousands on a switch is an "audiophile" and can hear a difference? I think most of them just have too much money. Zombie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Heuer wrote: > We are being told to earlier in the digital chain by spending £2,500+ on > an "audiophile grade" ethernet switch: > https://shop.martinshifi.co.uk/products/phoenixnet-audiophile-grade-network-switch-1 > > This one is $5,000: > https://audiobacon.net/2019/04/05/sotm-snh-10g-audiophile-ethernet-switch-review/ "Its interesting how some of these other engineers (and their minions) denounce what audiophiles are hearing as placebo and hallucinations. They also demand double-blind and null tests for everything. Do they really think intelligent people who are able to afford this gear would drop lots of cash for something they dont really hear? Time to get off that high horse, homie" Do you think they're missing the point somewhat ? Jeff *Want a webapp ?* Get SqueezeLite-X ! https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?108550-Announce-Squeezelite-X=903953=1#post903953 Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
We are being told to earlier in the digital chain by spending £2,500+ on an "audiophile grade" ethernet switch: https://shop.martinshifi.co.uk/products/phoenixnet-audiophile-grade-network-switch-1 This one is $5,000: https://audiobacon.net/2019/04/05/sotm-snh-10g-audiophile-ethernet-switch-review/ Lounge: Transporter>Audio Synthesis DAX Decade>Audio Research LS22>Krell FPB300>Wilson Benesch Act 1's + 2 x Velodyne SPL1000 sub's Kitchen: SB3>Topping DAC>Arcam Solo>Anthony Gallo Micro's+Sub, Joggler controller Office: SB3>Acoustic Energy AE1 Active's, Joggler controller Garage: Boom>QAcoustics 7000s subwoofer Bedroom: Radio Shed: Radio Workshop: Boom Garden 1: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers Garden 2: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
Paul Webster wrote: > Tested ... > https://audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/do-usb-audio-cables-make-a-difference.1887/ Bvilliant Zombie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
Tested ... https://audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/do-usb-audio-cables-make-a-difference.1887/ Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), kcrw, supla finland, abc australia, cbc/radio-canada and rte ireland Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
Jeff07971 wrote: > USB signalling is already differential ! > > But :D anyway ! > > Jeff Ssshhh, dont spoil it for the Audiophiles [emoji1782] philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
chill wrote: > aka 'buy wiring'.Do "Audiophiles" still think it makes a difference? Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
slartibartfast wrote: > Reminds me of bi-wiring speakers [emoji1787] > aka 'buy wiring'. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
philchillbill wrote: > Might it be an idea to run TWO identical USB cables between the pi and > the DAC and send an inverted digital signal along one of them so that a > differential path like with XLR could be recreated? The pi has multiple > USB sockets and there must be DACs with more than one, no? If not, > there's surely a market opportunity for an enterprising Audiophile > specialist company looking to differentiate itself with radical forward > thinking! ;)The cable companies would love it. Why sell one overpriced cable > when you can sell two. Reminds me of bi-wiring speakers [emoji1787] Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
philchillbill wrote: > Might it be an idea to run TWO identical USB cables between the pi and > the DAC and send an inverted digital signal along one of them so that a > differential path like with XLR could be recreated? The pi has multiple > USB sockets and there must be DACs with more than one, no? If not, > there's surely a market opportunity for an enterprising Audiophile > specialist company looking to differentiate itself with radical forward > thinking! ;) USB signalling is already differential ! But :D anyway ! Jeff *Want a webapp ?* Get SqueezeLite-X ! https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?108550-Announce-Squeezelite-X=903953=1#post903953 Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
Might it be an idea to run TWO identical USB cables between the pi and the DAC and send an inverted digital signal along one of them so that a differential path like with XLR could be recreated? The pi has multiple USB sockets and there must be DACs with more than one, no? If not, there's surely a market opportunity for an enterprising Audiophile specialist company looking to differentiate itself with radical forward thinking! ;) philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
I'm more into using cables of good quality, sturdy connectors an d shielding. That shpuld be enough. Then I snort the fairy dust. Zombie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
Fahzz wrote: > Lots of vinyl devotees on that site, but a few Squeezeboxers to! Yep, it would be a losing battle to try to say anything bad about vinyl over there. Heck, I grew up with vinyl (not that we called it thatit was just an "album"). And I had thousands (still have many hundreds and a working turntable, not that I've used it in 10+ years). But I loved CDs when they came around, and love my lossless FLAC ripped copy of my CDs even more! *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0/4TB>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
Lots of vinyl devotees on that site, but a few Squeezeboxers to! Living Room: Pi3 w/Allo Digione Player (Wired), Max2Play w/LMS Server 8.0 and SqueezeLite Pioneer Elite VSX 80, Parasound 2125 v2 KEF LS50's, Paradigm SE Center, SVS SB12-NSD Subwoofer, Paradigm Atom v.5 Surrounds Harmony Smart Control w/Hub and iPeng Dining Room: KEF Q100's Bedroom: Logitech Boom Porch: Boston Acoustics Voyager Metro II Router: Netgear R700P File Storage: Samsung T5 SSD Music Service: Qobuz Fahzz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12585 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
slartibartfast wrote: > Hmm I had a look at the Steve Hoffman forum. That's an hour I won't get > back [emoji3] > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk I love the Steve Hoffman forum for discussion on music, mixes/mastering, reviews of new releases, and general music discussion. However, I find an amazing amount of misinformation related to digital music creation/storage/playback. I just ignore all that. *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0/4TB>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
Don't forget guys https://www.mcru.co.uk/product-category/diy-componants/audiophile-grade-solder/ LMS 8.1.x on Odroid-C4 - *SqueezeAMP!*, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
Fahzz wrote: > I was hoping the cable debates would never find their way to this forum. > This topic seems to bring out the worst in people, and quickly. > > OP: you might want to look at the audio hardware section on The Steve > Hoffman Music Forums and also the Audio Science Review forum, as well as > Archimago for more information, about USB and any other type of cable. Hmm I had a look at the Steve Hoffman forum. That's an hour I won't get back [emoji3] Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
philchillbill wrote: > Just curious. > > People wonder if the USB cable quality between their streamer (pi) and > DAC makes a difference. > > Do those people also wonder if the USB cable connecting an external HDD > hosting their music library could/would make a difference? I wish I had the money to waste to find out. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
Just curious. People wonder if the USB cable quality between their streamer (pi) and DAC makes a difference. Do those people also wonder if the USB cable connecting an external HDD hosting their music library could/would make a difference? philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
slartibartfast wrote: > My speaker cable is QED 79 strand from more than 35 years ago. Does your > Supra USB sound any different to the freebie that came with your DAC > though? [emoji3] > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk that will be well "Age-annealed" as I heard a salesman once say :) does it sound diffferent :confused: Unlikely, I tend to use stuff that is usb2 compliant (but. if that is just self-certificationit could be anything) Supra, I have always liked, Hama USB 2 cable is certified and I use that, I have tried some Wireworld Starlight (bought second-hand) and the Curious cable (which spent three years on loan to a chap who eventually bought it from me). The cheap cable often included with some dacs, I never even try, as the first one I ever had (cable) did not work at all. Age, ear wax and a large dose of "can't be arsed!" prevent me from hearing any changes, plus a change in listen habits and a reduce span of attention :(:p I have heard differences with speaker cable, a lot of speakers and amplifiers when I was more interested, and had the money and inclination to try different equipment. Hopefully, later this year, I'll start and sell of a lot of stuff i have in storage as it's mostly worth "not a lot!" ronnie Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
Man in a van wrote: > I would say Supra is one of the better commercial ones; from their > website > > > > > I have some oof the usb2 cable and its fine, I also have some of their > speaker cable which I still use (It's, at least ,25 years old :)) > > ronnie My speaker cable is QED 79 strand from more than 35 years ago. Does your Supra USB sound any different to the freebie that came with your DAC though? [emoji3] Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
slartibartfast wrote: > I was mainly wondering if there was any point in replacing the free > cable that came with my DAC with a Supra cable or similar. I suspected > the answer was no. I think John Darko doth protest too much. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk I would say Supra is one of the better commercial ones; from their website > Low capacitance and efficient noise rejection maintain signal integrity > in long run interconnects. PE-insulated wires with correct > 90 Ohmsimpedance design. 24K gold plated and shielded > connectors. The connectorsare moulded to withstand tough > applications and long term use. MaximumData Transfer > Rate: 480 Mbits/second (as per USB 2.0 specifications). I have some oof the usb2 cable and its fine, I also have some of their speaker cable which I still use (It's, at least ,25 years old :)) ronnie Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
Fahzz wrote: > I was hoping the cable debates would never find their way to this forum. > This topic seems to bring out the worst in people, and quickly. > > OP: you might want to look at the audio hardware section on The Steve > Hoffman Music Forums and also the Audio Science Review forum, as well as > Archimago for more information, about USB and any other type of cable. I was mainly wondering if there was any point in replacing the free cable that came with my DAC with a Supra cable or similar. I suspected the answer was no. I think John Darko doth protest too much. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
I was hoping the cable debates would never find their way to this forum. This topic seems to bring out the worst in people, and quickly. OP: you might want to look at the audio hardware section on The Steve Hoffman Music Forums and also the Audio Science Review forum, as well as Archimago for more information, about USB and any other type of cable. Living Room: Pi3 w/Allo Digione Player (Wired), Max2Play w/LMS Server 8.0 and SqueezeLite Pioneer Elite VSX 80, Parasound 2125 v2 KEF LS50's, Paradigm SE Center, SVS SB12-NSD Subwoofer, Paradigm Atom v.5 Surrounds Harmony Smart Control w/Hub and iPeng Dining Room: KEF Q100's Bedroom: Logitech Boom Porch: Boston Acoustics Voyager Metro II Router: Netgear R700P File Storage: Samsung T5 SSD Music Service: Qobuz Fahzz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12585 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
A USB cable produced to meet proper specs will work perfectly unless it is broken. The only examples of badly functioning USB cables I've read about are from people buying strange "audiophile" USB cables, because some of these do NOT actually meet the normal specs of a cheap USB cable. Just remember, "there's a sucker (or audiophool) born every minute" (quote evidently mistakenly attributed to PT Barnum). *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0/4TB>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
Maybe Archimago is part of the conspiracy. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
chill wrote: > Some evidence that they don't: > http://archimago.blogspot.com/2013/04/measurements-usb-cables-for-dacs.htmlSurely > John Darko can't be wrong [emoji1787] Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] USB Cables
slartibartfast wrote: > Is there any evidence at all that USB cables make a difference? Some evidence that they don't: http://archimago.blogspot.com/2013/04/measurements-usb-cables-for-dacs.html chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114088 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
