[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Merry Christmas / Feliz Natal / Boas Festas thread (Send greetings here)
Feliz Natal e Próspero Ano Novo! Happy Christmas! I wish all a New Year full of new accomplishments! [image: GenealogyChristmasTree.jpg] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Location in Brazil
Rick, The Freguesia do Senhor Bom Jesus do Riberão de Sant'Anna mentioned on the marriage record is probably one of the parishes from the Resende municipality, located in the state of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, not in the city of Rio de Janeiro. We do have a Freguesia de Santa Anna in the city of Rio de Janeiro, but I do not think it is the one mentioned on the record. You will find more about about the Resendes region here: http://paraibanova.blogspot.com/2014/09/a-freguesia-de-nosso-senhor-bom-jesus.html If you scroll down, the blog author mention several record books and one of them, number 70, is for Freguesia do Senhor Bom JEsus do Riberão de Sant'Anna. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Saturday, January 13, 2018 at 1:06:03 PM UTC-8, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote: > > *The following record gives the location of the birth location of the > bride as Senhor Bom Jesus do Ribeirao de Santa Ana Brazil : > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905_item1/P68.html > > <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1900-1905_item1/P68.html> > > Marriage # 1. Would anyone know where it is? I think it is in the Rio de > Janerio area because I have a sister as being from Freguesia de Santa Anna > da cidade do Rio de Janeiro Brazil: > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1890-1899_item1/P112.html > > <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1890-1899_item1/P112.html> > > Marriage # 13. * > > > > *Rick* > > *Richard Francis Pimentel* > > *Epping, NH* > > > > *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and > Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores* > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Angra, Terceira Lodging
I stayed at Zenite Hotel, one block from the Library, in the center of Angra. Very nice, very clean, cordial staff and breakfast included. Parking in Angra is very difficult and hard to find a spot, and if you find, need to check if its permitted. Being just a few steps from the library and the Sé was great. On the weekends parking in Angra is free. Returning to Angra, I will stay there again. http://www.hotelzenite.com/quem/index.php Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 5:25:34 PM UTC-4, Lisach wrote: Hi Everyone, I am looking for Lodging recommendations for my late August trip to the Azores in or near Angra. Thank you! Lisa Caetano Harley -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help
George, It was not a tax, it was a way priests found to collect money from the local people. It was a practice characterized as a voluntary contribution, but many times it became involuntary. In distant parishes, especially in the colonies, priest's income was too low to cover his basic daily life and this was a way they found to add more money to his living. Unfortunately, many of these priests acted in abusive ways regarding financial resources and their life style, including concubinage. Also, in the colonies, not all the priests had a proper ecclesiastical education, which lead to this type of behavior and against the all the Canonic Law, precepts on how to be a good priest, established by the Council of Trent, in the middle of the 1500's. The Roman Catholic Church tried to regulate this situation several times. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Wednesday, May 13, 2015 at 11:09:03 PM UTC-4, migueldeavery wrote: Where did you get this information that a tax was paid by a person receiving the Sacrament of Confession in the 19th century ? George Sent from my iPad On May 13, 2015, at 4:43 PM, Margaret Vicente margare...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: No problem. There was a tax that the Priests collected for each confession. It means that they met their confession obligation and also paid the tax. In the year 1830 it cost $80 Reis for each which used to be collected after each confession. The Catholic Church has a mandatory obligation of confession of at least one time each year in the period of the 40 days of Lent. Hope this helps On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 2:34 AM, Liz Migliori lizm...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Thank u What does dis obligated mean Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2015, at 7:30 PM, Margaret Vicente margare...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Father Matheus (Mateus) Silveira, deceased. Her mother is Ana Maria. Lent of 1836 the groom was dis-obligated with the bride being dis-obligated in the current year On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Elizabeth Migliori lizm...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847_item1/P65.html Need help with this one. Looks like father is Matheus Silveira???and he is deceased wife is Rita Maria. Rita Maria daughter of Jose Garcia Deceased can't make out her mother Then what does it say about 1836? upper right hand side. Liz -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching the archives in Angra
Lisa, The BPARAH is a great place to visit, not only as a beautiful architecture building but to do your research. All researchers are very welcome by their staff and they will promptly help you with your family names and records. You don't need an appointment. As you get into the library, the research room is on the right side and there is a desk where you will get help. Enjoy it! Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Thursday, May 14, 2015 at 10:58:05 PM UTC-4, Lisach wrote: Hi, I am travelling to the Azores in August and want an idea of what records are available in Angra for research. Do I need an appointment? Are there any land records available to research? Joao, can I hire you to help me out for a few hours or a day? Thank you! Lisa -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1821 Santa Barbara, Terceira marriage
I agree with Manoel, it is Pra. , Cheri. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name of the baby
I agree with you Cheri, I did not see it before as well. I believe it was added there a few minutes later, for some reason, as a family request, note both grandmothers: Francisca. Isabella On Apr 21, 2015 1:53 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: I've never seen a baptism where the baby has 2 names. Like I said, the only way he will know is to collect all the children of this couple and figure it out. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/jG3SYEFhGm4/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name of the baby
It is a boy, Joze Francisco, abreviated as fr.co, I quickly looked at some other records and filho is not usually abreviated as mentioned in other emails and could have lead others to that direction. Not Zeferino. Isabella Baltar Myportuguesegen.blogspot.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name of the baby
Now that you mentioned Zeferino as Joseferino, it makes sense to have just one word, as usual, for the child. Thats the first time I see Zeferino as Joseferino, never hard it before! Good to know. Isabella Baltar -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Really your expertise! Firmino do Rego Tavares
Sam, The part you have a question and can't read is: ...nove the Agosto do ditto anno supra... Not 9th of August of the 7th year. The Priest is referring to the order (mandado) written by the Reverend and that the order was from the 9th of August of the above mentioned year, ïn this case, 1858. He also mentions that the order is going to be kept by their archives. Hope this helps. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Wednesday, April 8, 2015 at 7:38:52 PM UTC-4, apor...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks all for your help on this one. It sure is confusing! Shirley; Do you have any idea what they are talking about where it says something about the 9th of August of the 7th year…. office of the archives (or whatever it is saying in that section) Thanks! Linda; Yes, please tell us how to do that picture thing! Again, thanks all! Sam in Maz Sent from Windows Mail -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J1c1b1
Thank you for the explanation, Cheri. I have done my Full Mt Sequence. I will wait for Jana info. I don't know much about DNA, any information will be very helpfull. Isabella Baltar Myportuguesegen.blogspot.com Em segunda-feira, 6 de abril de 2015, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com escreveu: It may not be that J1c is rare but by the time you branch of further to J1c1b1 it is less common. Not everyone in a haplogroup will genetically match each other. The Full Mitochondrial Sequence test will increase your chances for a genealogy match to about 50%, but that's once enough J1c people test. Or Isabella may have an odd mutation or a mutation beginning to from (heteroplasmy) that's throwing the matches off.:( In the meantime, Jana, while you play wait and see you could test your autosomal DNA (Family Finder) if you haven't done so already. :Cheri Mello Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer) Azores DNA project -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/taNpG8Zhsuo/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com');. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- myportuguesegen.blogspot.com PORTUGAL AND AZORES: TERCEIRA: Ferreira Drummond, Machado Valadão, Velho, Jacques, Vieira SPAIN: Casasola Palermo, Peres Dias, Zurita Vilche, Jimenez Peres BRAZIL: PARAÍBA / PERNAMBUCO: Balthar/Rego Barros/Teixeira de Vasconcellos/Xavier Monteiro da Franca CEARÁ: Barretto/Paschoa Loreto/Mello/Cavalcante RIO DE JANEIRO: Casasola Perez, Zurita Vilche -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J1c1b1
Hello Jana, i am also a J1C1B1, you are the first who has the same mtDNA as mine. This is a very rare haplogroup. I have traced my maternal lineage back to 1680, Terceira Island. I'm curious to know where is your maternal lineage from. You can contact my private email, if you want. I am looking forward hearing from you. Isabella - myportuguesegen at gmail.com Myportuguesegen.blogspot.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: What surname is this?
If anyone goes to Family Search they will find Pexeco in Brazil for the 1700's, we actually have lots of Pacheco now. So that explains the old writing I mentioned. We also need to take in consideration other venues for the same name, like I have in my family with Drummond, Armond and Ormond, even in the same record! I don't believe they are accents, for me it can be a comma the priest used after the name of the father, he has done that in other records. I did not had time to research and I think the best way to find out is to go back and search for earlier records on Manoel da Costa [Pexeco] and try to see another manuscript reference. It maybe something completely different! Picanço is a more modern name, said by Leite Vasconcelos on his Antroponímia Portuguesa. Paleography is not an exact science, lots of information needs to be considered for a final veredict, if ever. Best, Isabella Baltar Myportuguesegen.blogspot.com Em segunda-feira, 16 de março de 2015, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com escreveu: Not disagreeing, but if that is Pexeco? old writing and paleography being the study of writing, then how does one explain a) the accents above and below the letters and b) why 3 lines above the priest wrote Pachequo i.e. Padre Jose Ignacio de Sousa Pachequo. (2nd link) Also first link go back one record same priest writes two forms of Pachequo and Pacheco. Cheers, Margaret Vicente On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Isabella Baltar myportuguese...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','myportuguese...@gmail.com'); wrote: I agree with Eliseu, after seeing the original document, it is Pexeco, the old way of Pacheco. Isabella Baltar Myportuguesegen.blogspot.com Em segunda-feira, 16 de março de 2015, MaryAnn Santos m...@nyu.edu javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','m...@nyu.edu'); escreveu: I thought there was an x in the word. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Eliseu Pacheco eliseuman...@gmail.com wrote: The word is PACHECO (Paxeco). [image: ] Eliseu Pacheco da Silva No dia 16/03/2015, às 11:31, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com escreveu: Andrew, on the 2nd link it is visible to me Ricaço Watch for the , underneath the last c. Margaret On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 8:08 AM, MaryAnn Santos m...@nyu.edu wrote: Hi Andrew, It certainly is a tricky one. I don't think it's an R because the down stroke are pretty evident and consistent in the document. It could be a P and my first thought was Peixoto but there don't seem to be enough letters in the work and the t - if it is a t - isn't crossed. Sorry I can't be of more help. By the way, if you're related to José Eusebio Raposo (sapteiro) who married Maria Leite Barbosa 22 July 1897 Divino Espirito Santo, Maia we're related. Maria was my grandmother, Ermelinda Leite Barbosa's older sister. MaryAnn On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Andrew Rapoza rapoza.2...@gmail.com wrote: I forget that in this era I can send links to these records. Wow, what a miraculous age we live in! Here they are. The surname in question on the left page shows up on the 10th line up from the bottom of the entry text. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1755-1768/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1755-1768_item1/P13.html The same surname in question on the left page shows up on the 10th line up from the bottom of the entry text. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1768-1783/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1768-1783_item1/P72.html Thanks again for everyone's help. I suspect, by the way, that they are Pexico, perhaps an ancient spelling of Pacheco? Thanks again. --Andy Rapoza On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 11:26:01 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: It won't open for me. Can you send the links to the documents so everyone can see it? Cheri -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- *MaryAnn Santos* Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator Department of Art and Art Professions NYU/Steinhardt 212.998.5702 m...@nyu.edu Follow us at *Twitter / @NYUart https://twitter.com/NYUartInstagram / @nyuart http://instagram.com/nyuart* *Facebook / NYU Art Department https://www.facebook.com/pages/NYU-Art-Department/53833145389* -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: What surname is this?
I agree with Eliseu, after seeing the original document, it is Pexeco, the old way of Pacheco. Isabella Baltar Myportuguesegen.blogspot.com Em segunda-feira, 16 de março de 2015, MaryAnn Santos m...@nyu.edu escreveu: I thought there was an x in the word. On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Eliseu Pacheco eliseuman...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','eliseuman...@gmail.com'); wrote: The word is PACHECO (Paxeco). [image: ] Eliseu Pacheco da Silva No dia 16/03/2015, às 11:31, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','margaretvice...@gmail.com'); escreveu: Andrew, on the 2nd link it is visible to me Ricaço Watch for the , underneath the last c. Margaret On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 8:08 AM, MaryAnn Santos m...@nyu.edu javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','m...@nyu.edu'); wrote: Hi Andrew, It certainly is a tricky one. I don't think it's an R because the down stroke are pretty evident and consistent in the document. It could be a P and my first thought was Peixoto but there don't seem to be enough letters in the work and the t - if it is a t - isn't crossed. Sorry I can't be of more help. By the way, if you're related to José Eusebio Raposo (sapteiro) who married Maria Leite Barbosa 22 July 1897 Divino Espirito Santo, Maia we're related. Maria was my grandmother, Ermelinda Leite Barbosa's older sister. MaryAnn On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Andrew Rapoza rapoza.2...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rapoza.2...@gmail.com'); wrote: I forget that in this era I can send links to these records. Wow, what a miraculous age we live in! Here they are. The surname in question on the left page shows up on the 10th line up from the bottom of the entry text. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1755-1768/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1755-1768_item1/P13.html The same surname in question on the left page shows up on the 10th line up from the bottom of the entry text. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1768-1783/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1768-1783_item1/P72.html Thanks again for everyone's help. I suspect, by the way, that they are Pexico, perhaps an ancient spelling of Pacheco? Thanks again. --Andy Rapoza On Saturday, March 14, 2015 at 11:26:01 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: It won't open for me. Can you send the links to the documents so everyone can see it? Cheri -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com'); . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- *MaryAnn Santos* Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator Department of Art and Art Professions NYU/Steinhardt 212.998.5702 m...@nyu.edu javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','m...@nyu.edu'); Follow us at *Twitter / @NYUart https://twitter.com/NYUartInstagram / @nyuart http://instagram.com/nyuart* *Facebook / NYU Art Department https://www.facebook.com/pages/NYU-Art-Department/53833145389* -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com');. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com');. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: What surname is this?
It is difficult to one transcribe, or decipher like you said, not seeing the person's handwriting pattern, so I suggest making available the link for that record. Paleography is about comparing and analyzing one's handwriting and the context of the time. Anyway, a few years ago I transcribed a document for Graciosa island and it took me sometime to figure out it. It looks like your word, but I can't precise it and can be wrong. The word I mentioned is Rixelo. You need to post the link for your document. Isabella Baltar On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 12:24:22 AM UTC-4, Andrew Rapoza wrote: Hi everyone. I thought I was pretty good at deciphering old Azorean handwriting and knowing Portuguese surnames, but this has me stumped. The same surname for the same person in two documents 24 years apart, written by two different scribes, but I just can't decipher what the surname is. Can someone help me figure this out?? Thanks so much --Andy Rapoza -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Passport Form Translation help with translation of Passport Record #416 of Domingo Jorge de Terra Gomes
Evee, The notes on observation: Brown beard - He has a scar on his forehead that goes towards his nose. This is the information under Observações. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blosgspot.com On Thursday, January 15, 2015 at 2:48:10 PM UTC-5, Evee Silva Kiler wrote: I appreciate the information to the Azores Group about the passport records coming online. Already I have found the parents of my grandmother. Also, on Ancestry.com, I found that the petition for naturalization for the same grandfather has now been indexed and is online…so the two documents (including the passport info.) have given me much more info. than I had. He came to American from Santo Amaro in 1885. Domingos Jorge de Terra Gomes. Anyway, I am attaching an excel spreadsheet I put together as I was trying to translate the columns of the form on which my grandfather is listed. Could I get someone to take a look at the attached excel file and see if I am correct/close in my translations? Some of them may be too “literal”. Also, while I’m at it, I’m giving the link to his passport record. Would someone be able to tell me what the “observation” for him reads? It looks like the comments may just be “spill-over” from the person ahead of him, but I am not sure. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1876-1889/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1876-1889_item1/P182.html His record is Passport #416. 24 Aug 1885 As always, thank you to members of the group for being active/helpful participants in this remarkable Azorean genealogy resource. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ships manifest from Porto, Portugal to Brazil around October 1911
Good morning Tish and Carolyn, The ship manifests from Brazil that you find on Family Search database are *only* from *Bahia (1855 – 1964) and São Paulo (1960 – 1982).* These records are only images, no indexing until the moment. So if you fit those dates, for those two places, you need to open one by one and read them to find your ancestor. The ship manifests from Rio de Janeiro are digitized but they are not on Family Search database. You will have to search on the National Archives from Brazil to find the one you are looking for. Links for those databases are on my blog, under *Researching in Brazil*, I cut and pasted below: *http://myportuguesegen.blogspot.com/p/researching-in-brazil_4.html http://myportuguesegen.blogspot.com/p/researching-in-brazil_4.html* The first link you will find when you open the link above is the one for the Family Search database, in Brazil. You will need to scroll this page, at Family Search, in order to find the appropriate link to what you are looking for. There are several different links for different states. Going back to *My Portuguese Gen *link, above, I added, on this same link/page, web addresses to: *Rio de Janeiro state*, including a List of steamers and passengers manifests that arrived in* Rio de Janeiro Port between 1805 – 1921. *This is a partial database, constantly updated by the Brazilian National Archives, they are not indexed, they are images in a pdf format. You need to have at least a timeframe to research because this is a huge database with thousands of names. and to *São Paulo State* where I include links to the museum of immigration database, with ships lists, hospedarias and photos. I try to simplify the search as much as possible separating them by state and I display specific links for what you can research on those databases. If you have any other questions related, please let me know. I may take a few days to answer, but I will answer, just too busy at work. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Sunday, November 9, 2014 5:24:24 PM UTC-5, sfig wrote: Hi group, I must have gotten in the middle of this posting. Can someone post the link to the manifests? Tish On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Carolyn M carolyn...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Roberto, Thank you for that information. It would be very helpful to me if I could find out the name of the ship that Vitorino and his family took to Brazil in October 1911. I would think there would be a database somewhere of ships and their routes with dates included. But could I search on these data bases that you suggested by a specific date, since I know that already? Carolyn On Sunday, November 2, 2014 11:53:34 AM UTC-5, Roberto Machado Velho wrote: I would like to add some information on the answer of Isabella Baltar. The archives in Brazil are still being indexed. But I tried some times read the list by myself on a specific boat and use the search function based on names. Archives newer than 1896 or around looked to be indexed. They are indexing it backwards. But given lot of names were written in the wrong form on arrival, the name in the index might not be the name you are looking for. Extra information. You must search the databases separately on port, Rio de Janeiro, Santos (state of Sao Paulo), Recife, Salvador (Bahia) - I believe these were the main ports to arrive. By the year you are referring to, there were still portugueses earning lands on south of Brazil (today Santa Catarina and Rio Grande do Sul). Independent of them moving to the south of Brazil, it was mandatory to stop in the ports (Rio or Santos) and register and then move to the South (I don' t know if this is your case). If you imagine your family moved to the south of Brazil, let me know. I have been in Porto Alegre some months ago and I could get the registers of the portuguese families that got land there from 1876 on (mainly Azoreans). None of such archives are in digital form and they are getting destroyed in bad storage conditions. I am still trying to organize what I could get. Good luck, Roberto Velho. On Saturday, September 20, 2014 8:32:37 PM UTC+3, Carolyn M wrote: I would like to know if anyone knows of any online records of ships manifests leaving Porto, Portugal to Brazil? My great-uncle left Porto bound for Brazil on or around October 1911, but I don't know the name of the ship. I also posted this to the Portuguese Genealogy Board, but I'm not sure it ever got through. This is my first post, and I want to thank you all for being here! Any information regarding the manifest would be greatly appreciated. Carolyn -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Immigrant Hostelry record from Sao Paulo Brazil
Erica, I read lines #14821 and 14822 and there is no last name, how do you know these are the family members you are looking for? I don't see any other information on them. Do you have any other document related to this one with matching dates? Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 3:43:51 PM UTC-4, audiosourceinc wrote: Isabella, According to Ancestry.com the Hospedarias that I have is from Sao Paulo. I am anxious to research this adventurous lady. She was a 49 year old widow who took her 13 year old son from Madeira to Brazil. I have not yet found a relative that was already in Brazil, although I am sure there must have been someone. My husband descends from her daughter, whom emigrated to Hawaii when she married. We are looking forward to finding relatives in Brazil! Erica *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Isabella Baltar *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:28 PM *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Immigrant Hostelry record from Sao Paulo Brazil Erica, São Paulo state had up to eight Hospedarias where immigrants, most of the time, stayed until they were transferred to another place where he/family was going work for. You have the record of one of the Hospedarias, I'm curious which one is. Rio de Janeiro had its own Hospedarias, so if this is a São Paulo Hospedaria, it makes sense that Capital is the capital of São Paulo estate, which is also named São Paulo. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.BlogSpot.com On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:28:21 AM UTC-4, audiosourceinc wrote: I am wondering if someone on this list has experience with the Immigrant Hostelry Records from Sao Paulo, Brazil. My husband’s 4th G-grandmother and her youngest son are lines #14821 and 14822 on the attached record. As I read this record, their destination place was “Capital”. Does anyone know if “Capital” is referring to Rio de Janeiro, which I believe was the capital of Brazil at that time? Thank you, Erica Botelho Vancouver, Washington -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Immigrant Hostelry record from Sao Paulo Brazil
Erica, São Paulo state had up to eight Hospedarias where immigrants, most of the time, stayed until they were transferred to another place where he/family was going work for. You have the record of one of the Hospedarias, I'm curious which one is. Rio de Janeiro had its own Hospedarias, so if this is a São Paulo Hospedaria, it makes sense that Capital is the capital of São Paulo estate, which is also named São Paulo. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.BlogSpot.com On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:28:21 AM UTC-4, audiosourceinc wrote: I am wondering if someone on this list has experience with the Immigrant Hostelry Records from Sao Paulo, Brazil. My husband’s 4th G-grandmother and her youngest son are lines #14821 and 14822 on the attached record. As I read this record, their destination place was “Capital”. Does anyone know if “Capital” is referring to Rio de Janeiro, which I believe was the capital of Brazil at that time? Thank you, Erica Botelho Vancouver, Washington -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ships manifest from Porto, Portugal to Brazil around October 1911
Carolyn, I looked quickly for Vitorino Reixelo and I found Vitorino J Reixello in São Paulo, Brazil, in 1948. I believe it is him, too much of a coincidence not to be him. You are lucky! At least you have a starting point now. I can send you the pdf; it is not a ship manifest. Please send me a private email and I will answer to you. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Isabella Baltar myportuguese...@gmail.com wrote: Carolyn, I'm wondering if you have the correct last name for Vitorino or Antonio. I never heard Reixelo, if it is correct, it is very uncommon. Do you have any original document where you read that? Like a passport? Being uncommon, it will be easier. Another question, do you know the destination of Vitorino in Brazil? The Brazilian cost is huge and Portuguese people had many destinations ports. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Carolyn M carolynmoro...@gmail.com wrote: “E” I and a couple of my cousins have family trees on Ancestry.com and we have my grandfather Antonio Reixelo listed. The family you spotted coming from Hawaii on the S.S. Sonoma is my grandfather and his family; we have that on our family trees too. What we don’t have is a ships manifest showing Vitorino de Jesus Reixelo (Antonio’s brother) who left Porto in or around October 1911 for Brazil . This manifest is what I am hoping to find. It appears that Ancestry.com doesn't have this type of ship manifest information, not even in the card catalog. So I will focus on Brazil and the Brazil links that have been so kindly provided. Thanks for your research! Carolyn On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 12:20:29 PM UTC-4, E Sharp wrote: Carolyn, Someone has a family tree, pictures, etc. on Ancestry.co.uk for this Antonio Reixelo, Birth 4 Jul 1876 in Lavandeira, Portugal died in California. His father's name was Luis Reixelo. E On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 9:11 AM, E Sharp belle...@gmail.com wrote: Carolyn, Nothing on Ancestry that I found. My family for some reason sailed from Buenos Aires to England many times and that is how I found them. I checked the one site I sent to you but the name does not show up in searching by surname. However, when I put my family surname in there it did not show up but I had an idea of the date when she applied and I found it by going through the dates. If you have some idea of the date of travel, try this avenue also. If all else fails, you can all contact Arquivo Nacional Torre do Tombo in Lisbon via email *antt.dglab.gov.pt http://antt.dglab.gov.pt/ *and they will check it out for you for a fee. You do not have to pay the fee if they do not find it, at least that is how is was when they searched for me. They found many records, birth, marriage, death, for me in the past. Now I do that myself on Joao Ventura's great etombo site. I found a family of 8 spelled Reixello, father Antonio, from Portugal (2 younger children born in Maui) sailing from Hawaii to San Francisco aboard the S. S. Sonoma Feb. 1919. Maybe they are related? It does not say where in Portugal they are from. In the 1940 US census the names in spelled Rexelle. In the meantime, I will text my cousin in Brazil and ask him if he can find it. E On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com wrote: Repost for Carolyn, carolynmoroney at gmail.com Isabella, Thank you for all the information and links. I will start to look through them, and will get back to you. Carolyn On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 5:27 AM, Carolyn M carolyn...@gmail.com wrote: Cheri, Through postings made here back in August of 2013, I found out about etombo.com, and tombopt. From there I was able to find the actual photocopy of my grandfather's passport, which was in the Braganca District Archives. I was thrilled to say the least! I will check out this new link for Porto. Thanks, Carolyn On Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:32:37 PM UTC-4, Carolyn M wrote: I would like to know if anyone knows of any online records of ships manifests leaving Porto, Portugal to Brazil? My great-uncle left Porto bound for Brazil on or around October 1911, but I don't know the name of the ship. I also posted this to the Portuguese Genealogy Board, but I'm not sure it ever got through. This is my first post, and I want to thank you all for being here! Any information regarding the manifest would be greatly appreciated. Carolyn -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Filtering Family Finder matches within the Azores project
Good morning all, I read the blog and found it very interesting, showing new venues to find a match. I run it by every project I'm part of and only by my Family Finder, as I don't match anyone on my mtDNA, and the results are different from what we got on the main page of Family Finder. I need to learn more about the triangulation and matrix as well. I wish every match could post their Gedcom, as several one matching my tree don't have it posted. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Saturday, August 2, 2014 12:27:53 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Who was asking me how they can filter their matches within just one project, such as the Azores project? Roberta Estes, genetic genealogist, explains today in her blog, DNA Explained: http://goo.gl/w8hs2s She assumes we have no intermarriage (32 separate lines at 5 generations) but you can understand what she means. She also explains a little bit about what it means to be a match or not. Of course, this only works if you are part of the Azores project. We ask that you order through the Azores project because that automatically joins you. Some people don't know about projects and are just out there in the main FTDNA database without a home. So you won't see everyone, but if you have too many matches, the filtering people will help. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Software - The Next Generation
I don't know if anyone has shared this previously, but I thought it is a good software worth a try. I have a friend that is using it for a few years already. What I found most interesting is that you can have it on your own domain, it can generate your pages in several different languages, including Portuguese, it is fully searchable and on the web, in other words, in a cloud, that you can share with anyone you want, not having to create a document to share your family, or having someone from outside placing things on your tree. It is all yours and under your control. It also provides a easy way to generate a Gedcom. You will read much more about it at their website that is on this link below. I just bought it and will be able to share my ancestors in the upcoming weeks or months! http://lythgoes.net/genealogy/software.php Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Update on the Portuguese Genealogical Society of Hawaii
It is really sad to see this happening. Although I don't know what kind of collection they hold, it looks like they seem important documents regarding the Portuguese immigration in Hawaii, maybe original documents? I will suggest for this material to be donated to the State Library and Archives, at this level the chances for them to survive through the years are bigger. There they will have the opportunity to be treated regarding conservation, digitized and become an open source for historians and researchers like us. Today the main goal of Libraries and Archives is Outreach! I just made a quick search and they have a very big online collection, including Portuguese genealogy: http://archives1.dags.hawaii.gov/gsdl/cgi-bin/library Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Saturday, July 26, 2014 5:13:37 PM UTC-4, IslandRoutes wrote: Some of you may have heard the rumors that the PGSH is having problems. I've got updated information that I wanted to share. First, their president of many years, Doris Naumu, retired in January. She was having health problems and stepped down. The new president is Dan Nelson. Second, the PGSH has lost its lease at the address at the Palama Settlement. There is no new building in their immediate future. The collection will be run out of the president's home. For now, requests will only be taken via the internet, email, and mail. I do not have contact information as yet. There will be no in home visits to do research. It is a shame. When I first started genealogy, they had no home and Doris Naumu ran the group out of her house. So, I guess its all come full circle. When I get more information, I will post it on my blog as well as here. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with parents in marriage record - Flamengos, Faial
Lee, It is basically the marriage of Jose da Silveira (Joseph da Sylveira) and Isabel do Rosário on 25 Aug 1748. The marriage took place at Igreja Nossa Senhora da Luz, Ribeira dos Flamengos, Faial. He is the son of Barbara Sylveira, slave of Gregório Pereira, and was a native of Freguesia de São João Batista, Pico Island. The bride's parents are João de Azevedo and Maria Vicēza, I believe. The ē is a contraction for en, thus forming the word Vicenza. Unless someone else another idea for the name. The bride was native of Freguesia das Ribeiras, Ilha do Pico. All the parents are deceased. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Sunday, July 27, 2014 1:15:23 AM UTC-4, Lee wrote: I'd like to request a little help with the marriage record of Jose Sylveira and Isabel do Rosario (right page, top) I am having trouble two items on this document. f 1. I can clearly see that the father of the groom is pai incognito - the mothers name looks like (Barbara Sylveira??) I can see a lot of other names after her name and I'm not sure who they are? One looks like Gregorio Periera. 2. Brides mother looks like Maria Deiero?? Or am I reading that incorrectly? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-C-1722-1758/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-C-1722-1758_item1/P96.html Any and all help greatly appreciated. Lee Estep, Oak Hill WV -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: SECO
Eliseu, Seco is said to belong to Secco from Italy. (Antroponimia Portuguesa, Leite de Vasconcellos, 1923. pg 318) Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Sunday, July 27, 2014 8:59:51 AM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote: I would like any information on the SECO (surname and nickname) J *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva* *“Sharing is one of the most profitable human resources” * Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel ) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage records, Reading of the banns
Suzanne, The banns are read on the parish where the bride or the groom is from. The priest usually writes who is from where. Most of the time the marriages took place at the brides village, but there are times the marriage happens on the grooms village. I have seen that before on some records and on my family. I talk about marriage on my blog and I even have a link to a Youtube documentary from BBC on that. I also do transcripts and translations for a fee, you can check my tab Paleography on my blog or click on the link below. http://myportuguesegen.blogspot.com/p/books-and-documents-are-important.html If you want to learn more you can also send me a private email and visit my blog for more information on all above. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Sunday, July 20, 2014 7:27:12 PM UTC-4, climb...@gmail.com wrote: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1764-1803/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1764-1803_item1/P39.html Right side of the page. My question: When it says the banns were read in a different village from the one where the marriage took place, how do I discern who was from that village? I know that normally, marriages took place in the bride's village, but I don't know if that holds true for all marriages. Is it possible to get a literal translation of sorts of the first 13 lines of that document? I have a word list from the LDS church, but I'd like to add to it with some of these words that may be archaic in use. Thank you very much. Suzanne Researching most of Sao Jorge. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Two Marias
If it is a Portuguese tradition or not, I have several Marias on my line, including my two daughters, Maria Isabel and Maria Pia. It is what Cheri said, it just is what it is! And regarding the note, yes, there was no charge because the parents were poor (paes serem pobres). Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:45:58 PM UTC-4, JoElayne wrote: I have found two Marias in the Gravanco line. There is a notation in the margin next to the one born in 1888. I am wondering if it refers to why they named two daughters Maria. [It does not appear that these are like the Spanish tradition of naming every girl child Maria with a second name that is their 'real' name. Nor should it be a second child named Maria after the first one died.] Help, please! Thanks. No. 69 starts on bottom of left page, notation on right top http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1880-1889/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1880-1889_item1/P312.html JoElayne Ferre' Johnson -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaii, Massachusettes, or Brazil
There is a film about the Japanese immigration in the XIX century in Hawaii. I saw it a few years ago and is very touching. I was searching now and found it, it is Picture Bride. And here is an article with photos about the work in the sugar cane plantation at that time. http://www.picturebridemovie.com/japan.html Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 10:47 AM, aportugee via Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com wrote: Looks like an interesting book, however; it appears that only the preview is free. Cost of book is $8.99, unless I am missing something. Sam in NC Sent from Windows Mail *From:* luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:13 PM *To:* Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Even better, Here is a scanned copy free! http://books.google.com/books?hl=enlr=id=LD94ovK6Ej0Coi=fndpg=PR9dq=portuguese+kauaiots=ytj9itz0Ydsig=eyNUoOBov9jqhgIVMFGIeKTt5Js#v=onepageq=portuguese%20kauaif=false On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:11 AM, luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Here is a great book on the subject of plantation conditions *Pau Hana: Plantation Life and Labor in Hawaii, 1835-1920* By *Ronald T. Takak* You can find it easily on Amazon. Eric On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 10:30 PM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Melody!! On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Dano dpai...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for reposting the original document, Eric. I had saved it to my last computer, but, lost it when it crashed. Apart from the history it covers, its got great stories from the immigrant perspective. On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 8:24:40 PM UTC-4, luiznoia wrote: Eliseu, Here is the original document attached. Eric On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Tanya Smith tanya8...@gmail.com wrote: I have a copy of my 2nd great grandfathers Honolulu plantation work contract from 1883 - he ended up on the island of Kauai, I don't know how if this was by choice or designation. - 9 USD per month for 1 year - Not sure the equivalent to the current Azores currency at that time. Anyone? Tanya On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 8:54 AM, luiznoia . nobla...@gmail.com wrote: The following is from an Azores Government publication concerning the Hawaiian migration. The Portuguese migration to Hawaii was fueled by poor economic conditions in the mother country, and particularly in Madeira. The production and export of fine wines had been for many years the mainstay of the Madeiran economy. During the 1850’s, however, the vineyards were laid waste by a blight that crippled the wine industry for decades. Unemployment and hunger followed the destruction of the vineyards. As conditions worsened, Madeirans looked for a better way of life in Brazil, the United States and Hawaii. During this same period, the Kingdom of Hawaii was in need of laborers for her sugar plantations. The large scale cultivation of sugar depended upon a continuous supply of inexpensive labor. The demand for plantation workers increased after Hawaii concluded a Reciprocity Treaty with the United States in 1876, which facilitated the exportation of Hawaiian sugar. The dramatic decline of the Hawaiian population had caused planters and government officials to look abroad for suitable immigrants to work the land and increase the population of the Kingdom. Several thousand Chinese emigrated to Hawaii during the 1860’s and 1870’s. Yet the Chinese seldom brought their families, and distinct cultural differences between the Chinese and other residents of Hawaii caused many of the latter to demand an end to the large scale importation of workers from China. In 1876, *Mr. Jacintho Pereira,* a Portuguese citizen and proprietor of a successful dry goods store in Honolulu, came forward with an interesting idea. Pereira suggested that the Hawaiian government investigate the possibility of solving Hawaii’s labor and population problems by encouraging the immigration of Portuguese from Madeira. The government contacted *Dr. William Hillebrand* who was living at that time in Funchal. Hillbrand acted as Hawaii’s agent, and carried out all of the details required to place the first contingent of Portuguese immigrants aboard the Priscilla. *1853* Census shows 87 Portuguese in Hawaii. *1876* Jacinto Perreira, a Portuguese merchant residing in Hawaii recommends to the Kingdom the immigration of Portuguese to Hawaii to help solve the labor problems. *1877* The St. Antonio Society, a Portuguese benevolent association, is established in Honolulu. *1878* Census shows more than 400 Portuguese in Hawaii. *1878* The ship Priscilla arrives in Honolulu harbor on September 30. 1878 with the first major contingent of Portuguese immigrants to Hawaii (about 120 men, women and children). *1879* The ship Ravenscrag arrives in Honolulu harbor on August 23, 1879 with the second large group
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaii, Massachusettes, or Brazil
I really don't know Pam, I never had the opportunity to learn direct from my ancestors as they were all deceased when I was born. On my father's side I believe they moved when the Emperor moved from Lisbon to Rio de Janeiro and with him thousands of people moved from Portugal to Brazil the capital for the Empire moved from Lisbon to Rio. My 4th grandfather was a Captain when he moved. To add to what Hermano said, I think that the easiness of not having to learn a new language also played a role on their choices as well as opportunities to have a better life. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Monday, July 14, 2014 8:12:44 PM UTC-4, Pam Santos wrote: I was wondering if anyone had any stories that were passed down to why some family members went to Hawaii, while other siblings went to Massachusettes or Brazil? What was the reason? I had 6 siblings 2 went to Hawaii and the others went to Massachusettes. I am in the process of tracking down Cabral siblings and will have to check both places. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My Family Finder results
Hello Antonio, I'm not entirely of Terceira ancestry, my paternal ancestry is from Portugal arriving in Brasil on the first half of XIX century. My mother's side is from Terceira and Portugal, they arrived in Brasil with the great migration of the late XIX and beginning of XX century. Attached is a file named My Origins. Can you share yours as well? Is your family from Terceira? Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Sunday, July 13, 2014 12:13:14 PM UTC-4, Antonio Faria wrote: Hi Isabella Do you mind sharing your myOrigins percentages? I am just curious because of anthropological interests I have posted mine. Are you entirely of Terceira ancestry? Antonio On Saturday, July 12, 2014 4:57:18 AM UTC-7, Isabella Baltar wrote: I finally have my results on Family Finder, pretty exciting to see all the possibilities that opened with the test. I have only one 2nd/4th cousin from who I believe is from Terceira Island and from this group. I sent an email to this one. All the other results are in the 3rd/5th group. After waiting to a match come up on my mtDNA for more than one year and still waiting on that, it is great news to focus on other branches of my family. Looking forward hearing from others that may fit my tree. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: TOLEDO from Terceira
Hello Eliseu, I have João Machado Toledo and his wife Maria do Espirito Santo, they are the parents of Maria Antonia who was married to Manuel Jacques de Oliveira. I don't know where this Toledo is yet, my research is not towards him at the moment. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Sunday, July 13, 2014 7:03:13 AM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote: Good Morning J ! Does anyone have the surname TOLEDO (Toledo dos Santos or Santos Toledo) from Quatro Ribeiras? *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva* Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel ) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] My Family Finder results
I finally have my results on Family Finder, pretty exciting to see all the possibilities that opened with the test. I have only one 2nd/4th cousin from who I believe is from Terceira Island and from this group. I sent an email to this one. All the other results are in the 3rd/5th group. After waiting to a match come up on my mtDNA for more than one year and still waiting on that, it is great news to focus on other branches of my family. Looking forward hearing from others that may fit my tree. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: What does Recebidos em sanctos mean?
E, If you found* recebidos os santos oleos in a Baptism record*, this means that the *child* was *anointed with the holy oil*, receiving the confirmation of the sacrament. Not the parents. This is very traditional in the Catholic Church when baptizing a child, it is used as well for blessing a sick person that is going to die. There is nothing to do with the parents marriage. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Sunday, July 6, 2014 1:29:01 AM UTC-4, E Sharp wrote: I found this on a baptism record and after the names of the parents and where they were baptized, it says recebidos em sanctos. I gather it is something about their marriage??? or what does it mean? Thank you. E -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Questions on differences in format on records CCA
Sure João, if you carefully read my post, I mentioned until XVIII century. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 9:20 AM, João Ventura j...@venturas.org wrote: Hello all, Just a word of caution here. Formally, the use of Dom/Dona is indeed a royal prvilege, a bit like the English Sir. However, somewhere in the 19th century it became costumary to call every woman a Dona, after they became older (respect for elders, yada yada...). So just because you see a Dona being used, that doesn't mean much outside the context of the time. A Dona in the early 1700s would certainly be of noble blood. But not in the late 1800s. João Ventura http://tombo.pt/en On Wednesday, 2 July 2014 23:26:21 UTC+2, apor...@yahoo.com wrote: Isabella; Thank you for your response and explanations to my questions. Apparently, I have some female ancestors who were highly respected…. I did not know there were strict rules set forth for the structure of the baptism records. As you say, the priest must have simply forgot to enter the surname of the father in some instances. Odd. I understand the use of “devotional” names, I just thought it odd that a few of the mothers and/or godmothers would have their surnames listed and others would not. I guess this priest was simply erratic in his recordings of baptisms. Thank you for your insights and explanations, Sam in NC Sent from Windows Mail google.com/group/azores http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/PNDRySFhayk/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- PORTUGAL AND AZORES: TERCEIRA: Ferreira Drummond, Valadão, Velho, Jacques, Vieira *SPAIN: *Casasola Palermo, Peres Dias, Zurita Vilche, Jimenez Peres BRAZIL: PARAÍBA / PERNAMBUCO: Balthar/Rego Barros/Teixeira de Vasconcellos/Xavier Monteiro da Franca CEARÁ: Barretto/Paschoa Loreto/Mello/Cavalcante RIO DE JANEIRO: Casasola Perez, Zurita Vilche -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help please - NS da Luz, GRACIOSA - baptism record
Lee, The child's name is Bartolomeu. I'm not sure about the father's last name. Usually, if the father and mother have the same last name, the priest would write Manoel e Ysabel Frs. [Fernandes], In this case both father and mother have a last surname, separately, unless is an exception. This record is a good example of family names patterns that can happen in the Portuguese records. In this specific one, the family is honoring a deceased loved one, naming the grandchild, just born, for who I believe is his grandfather. Note that the godfather and godmother are Francisco das Neves and Anna Gonsalves, both children of Bartolomeu Fernandes, deceased, and Catarina Gonsalves. So, it all looks like that Ysabel Fernandes is the daughter of Bartolomeu Fernandes and Catarina Gonsalves and she is naming her child after her father's name. Francisco das Neves and Anna Gonsalves are both her brother and sister. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com . On Saturday, June 28, 2014 12:21:35 AM UTC-4, Lee wrote: This is the record of Cordola? - right side, entry #2 It is very difficult for me to make out all of this record. It looks like the birth/baptism occurred on August 30, 1671? I am having a lot of difficulty with the parents names - looks they read as Manoel Fra and on the next line looks like Joanna or is this Joam Donlas??? (Dornellias?) Any help with this record would be very, appreciated. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1647-1677/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1647-1677_item1/P127.html Thank you. Lee Estep, Oak Hill WV -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with a Baptism record - Santa Cruz parish on Graciosa Island
Nick, The handwriting is really bad. One needs time to study the pattern of the priest's handwriting and only then it is possible to get a better understanding of what he says accurately. I confirm that Manoel is the son of Anna Joaquina, her last name is not clear at first glance. Only one of the parents is mentioned, I believe is the mother, as I can read the second part of the name do Rozario. They were all born in Santa Cruz, residents of Corpo Santo. Manoel was born on the 8 Jul 1903 and baptized on the 25 of the same month and year. As I said, further study is necessary to read the whole document in details. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Monday, June 23, 2014 2:28:33 PM UTC-4, Nick Gombash wrote: I have a baptismal record from 1803 with some terrible handwriting. I know that the child is Manuel and he was the illegitimate son of Anna Joaquina. It's entry 46, top right of the document. Does it state who Anna Joaquina's parents are? Some entries have beautiful handwriting (like entry 47, below Manuel's baptism).. but others are terrible. Thank you for any help. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1796-1805/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1796-1805_item1/P149.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: MtDNA Haplogroup J
Patricia, I'm also included in the J group and one of it is subdivisions; I have done the Full Sequence for my mtDNA one year ago and did not find a single match until today. We are a very small part of the Azores population, around 5.48%, based on a study done a few years ago. If you are interested in the study, email me privately. My earliest ancestor is from 1679, in Terceira Island. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Friday, June 6, 2014 3:41:35 PM UTC-4, Patricia Straube wrote: We just received the MtDNA results for my husband's mother, Mary Elsie Amaral. Only the basic test was performed but there were no matches at HVR1 and HVR2. There were over 1000 matches at HVR1 alone and while that is interesting, it is not that helpful. She is a part of the Family Tree DNA Azores Project but her results haven't appeared on the MtDNA results page. She belongs to Haplogroup J and her earliest known ancestor in the female line is Anna de Jesus Pavão, who married Francisco Sousa and whose daughter, Rosa de Jesus, was called a native of Ribeirinha, when her children were baptized at Nossa Senhora da Estrela, Ribeira Grande, São Miguel, beginning in 1868. Rosa de Jesus married Jose Raposo, also called Jose Raposo Pombeiro. Sorry, but because this is Ribeira Grande, I don't have any birthdates or marriage dates for them yet. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: use of dona
I would like to be the voice of my 3rd great grandfather, Francisco Ferreira Drummond, on the use of “Dona” in Portugal and Azores until the XVIII century. On the first volume of his Annaes da Ilha Terceira, on page 19, note n. 5, he writes: “…signal d’estima, que antigamente só era concedido pelos Reis a seus descendentes, e aos ricos homens” In other words: a tribute of respect, in ancient times, given only by the Kings to his descendants, and to the rich man. He also says: “Que diremos hoje à liberdade, e à lisonja com que este appellido se dá.” Here we can see how the use of “Dona” became common at his time – he wrote this around 1830. Besides what he wrote, I can only confirm what others already mentioned. In Portugal, Azores and Brasil, Dona or Senhora, is a respectful and common way to talk to someone older than you. The same doesn't apply to Dom, the old title given to a noble, rich man, this one is out of use in our days. Senhor is the correct and respectful choice one can use. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Families in Santa Barbara - Terceira: Machado Velho, Ferreira da Costa, Mendes, Cardozo da Rocha, Cardoso da Rocha, Cardoso Velho
Roberto, I have on my family tree several of the surnames you gave, including Velho, all from Terceira, but not from that parish. I do know João Ventura, the archivist from Terceira, and he may help you getting a document in the Conservatoria. If you want to write to my private email, I can exchange some information with you - myportuguesegen at gmail dot com Eu falo portugues, minha lingua nativa. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Saturday, April 26, 2014 5:39:10 AM UTC-4, Roberto Machado Velho wrote: Hello, I am searching for the Families Machado Velho, Mendes, Ferreira da Costa, Cardozo da Rocha, Cardoso da Rocha and Cardoso Velho in the old Parish of Santa Barbara - what is today Serreta, Doze Ribeiras, Santa Barbara and Cinco Ribeiras. (Estou procurando/a procurar pelas Familias Machado Velho, Mendes, Ferreira da Costa, Cardozo da Rocha, Cardoso da Rocha e Cardoso Velho na antiga Freguesia/Paroquia de Santa Barbara - ilha terceira - no que hoje sao as freguesias de Serreta, Doze Ribeiras, Santa Barbara e Cinco Ribeiras). My newer information is the death of the mother of my great-grandfather in Canada De Nossa Senhora d'Ajuda, Santa Barbara, in 1909. In 1875 she was living in Rua dos Pocos - Santa Barbara, with her son Antonio Machado Velho - my greatgrandfather - where all this research started. I have a note in a Marriage Certificate telling about the death of her daugther in 1945 - but this is not available on internet. My oldest information is related to all the families I quoted before and today I have information on the marriages - 4 of them - happening in between 1781 and 1794: - Luiz Ignacio Mendes and Maria Josefa - 1781 - Francisco Machado Velho and Francisca Mariana - 1782 - Raimundo Ferreira da Costa and Maria Roza - 1794 - Sebastiao Jose da Costa and Anna Joaquina - 1793. I also know that the sons of Raimundo and Sebastiao were connected in 4th degree in blood. Does anyone recognize someone you have records or had seen before on your researches ? Also would like to ask: - Do you know if any person can get a death certificate just going to the Conservatoria ? I want to try to ask that one of 1945 quoted on top. Do you know to which one I would to address in Terceira ? One in Santa Barbara or in Angra do Heroismo ? - Do you know if all the archives of the Church in Santa Barbara are available on the Cultura Azores website ? Is there any other kind of archives that could provide information about Santa Barbara, like Certificates of Properties - houses or some kind of School, or any other thing was being recorded in archives ? - I tried to find the Archives in Universidade do Minho, that some people quoted in the group, but I cannot find archives for Terceira. Are there any ? - Are there any other archives for Terceira or the region of Santa Barbara that I could look for ? - I have used the Rois/Confessados list available in Cultura Azores for Santa Barbara - and that gave me a lot of information. I am thinking of turning that list (mainly a Census of all Santa Barbara made by the priest in 1875) in a listed - searchable - pdf file. Does anyone has interest on that ? Do you know where I could publish that so people could use it ? Cultura Azores receives submissions ? - Does anyone has a text or pdf searchable version of the index of Marriages available to Santa Barbara ? It is not possible search names in the images available. I started to decompose that set of marriages in families, in case someone has interest. - I believed that the name Machado Velho disappeared in Santa Barbara because my great-grandfather went to Brazil, his brother died early without sons/daughters and their 2 other sisters just either did not get married or changed their surnames to the ones of their husbands. Do you know any way I could track the sisters ? I could not find a marriage certificate to them in the index of Santa Barbara - one is called Angelica (and there is just one Angelica, not the one I am searching) and the other one Maria (as you know, 40% of the women getting married by that time). - Anyone knows if people asking for passports in Terceira would have them issued also in Terceira ? And then the boats to Brazil and United States were leaving Terceira or some other Island nearby ? - Does anyone has a map that tell the names of streets in Santa Barbara ? Google maps has still few and a reconstruct some by google maps street view walking through them but I could not find several - also it is not clear the limit of them, as they bifurcate sometimes. I also would like to tell anyone that is searching information about Sao Bartolomeu, Santa Barbara (the old parish - including Cinco Ribeiras) and Doze Ribeiras (the old Parish - including Serreta) that there is an article from Jose Avelino Rocha dos Santos that describes the Enxurrada
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: creation of church books
Doug, The books were bound previously to recording anything on them. Usually the person responsible for the church numbered all pages and writes a brief comment about who he is, the church he belongs, the type of event they are going to register and the date they are starting to record the event. This is usually placed at front of the book, on the fly leaf, but I have seen on the back as well. Several books after being rebound in a later period are miss this type of information, but some still have the original information and the page is placed as a title page. The bookbinder also usually writes a notation that the book was rebound, he signs and dated. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Thursday, April 24, 2014 1:19:51 AM UTC-4, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Here's something I've always wondered about and it would be very interesting if anyone knew the answer. When a baptism, marriage or death record was newly created, say back in 1806 (just a random year), was the page already bound in a volume? I think the answer is no. I imagine the priest had a stack of blank papers cut to the proper size that he pulled out and wrote up the record. Once enough of them were enough to make a volume, they had a priest bind the pages into a book. It would mean that there might be 5 to 70 years, depending on the size of the parish, that the pages stayed unbound. A little village like Sao Joao, Pico, had one volume of baptisms starting in 1807 and ending in 1827. That's 20 years of loose leafs until they got bound. Sometimes the priest's ink bottle got knocked over onto the paper and we have a giant black spot still there today. Anyway, just curious about these things I pour over daily. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bizarre...but is it true?
Manuel, ...taken out to sea where they would beat the body and dump it in the ocean... Where did you read that? Do you have any information? I really would like to learn more about as I never heard this. Even if what you have is written in Portuguese, as it is my primary language. I will appreciate that. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 12:22:02 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Manuel M, Manuel said: In the old days if a grave is dug and the body was still intact, it was reburied for another 7 years, if it is still intact the body after that time the body it taken and put on a boat and taken out to sea where they would beat the body and dump it in the ocean. I do not know what is the current process after 7 years. They beat the body??? I guess back in those days they didn't know that the ocean would decompose the body. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Impossible to read -almost
Maria Elena, No one will be able to read the name of that child on that record as the document has a big loss on that corner. What you see is not ink washed out, it is a new piece of paper added in an effort to restore and give the original paper a more stable structure. Notice the other pages on that book and you will see the same pattern. Looking closer you can even see a glossy look, usually from kind of glassine paper that was used in earlier times to do restoration. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:00:45 PM UTC-4, Maria wrote: Upper left page Name of the child . I know the parents are Antonio Bottelho and Antonia de Jesus but all I can figure out is the child is a girl. I've tried staring at it but my old eyes aren't seeing through the ink. How would you enter this? Baby girl Bottelho (?) Thank for looking. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1755-1764/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1755-1764_item1/P197.html Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Impossible to read -almost
Maria Elena, All the original records from the Library and Archives from Angra do Heroismo are digitized in loco, which means at the Library. After that, they send the digitized images to the CCA who is responsible to upload the images on the website. I don't know if this is the same procedure for Ponta Delgada Library and Archives, I believe so. Others from the list may answer this for you. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Marilyn Thompson mari...@jmtmlt.comwrote: Does anyone know if the images on the CCA site are from the microfilmed copies that the LDS Church made? Or have they (CCA) digitized their own copy from the original records. Just wondering if the repairs were made after the microfilmed copy. If someone has access to the microfilmed copy at a Family History Center, maybe they could check or ask someone at the Conference in Salt Lake to do a quick check. Just my thoughts On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 4:26 AM, Isabella Baltar myportuguese...@gmail.com wrote: Maria Elena, No one will be able to read the name of that child on that record as the document has a big loss on that corner. What you see is not ink washed out, it is a new piece of paper added in an effort to restore and give the original paper a more stable structure. Notice the other pages on that book and you will see the same pattern. Looking closer you can even see a glossy look, usually from kind of glassine paper that was used in earlier times to do restoration. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:00:45 PM UTC-4, Maria wrote: Upper left page Name of the child . I know the parents are Antonio Bottelho and Antonia de Jesus but all I can figure out is the child is a girl. I've tried staring at it but my old eyes aren't seeing through the ink. How would you enter this? Baby girl Bottelho (?) Thank for looking. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- PD-SAOROQUE-B-1755-1764/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-B-1755-1764_item1/P197.html Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/EE8YF1RHIrY/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translating Passport Records
I don't know what constituted an adult in the 1870s in the Azores. When a boy turned 13 years old, he was considered an adult in Portugal and was free to do whatever he wanted. That is why we see so many young adults travelling abroad to get a better chance in life. I don't know about girls. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Saturday, April 12, 2014 9:04:52 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Liliana, You are going to have to clarify. This, that, itI'll have to guess at what you mean. 1) Are records from all the islands in this one place? A) Passaporte records that exist will come online at the CCA site. The physical location of the records is a different answer. They are at the 3 archives. 2) Would anyone be able to translate the column headings? A) The headings will vary with different time periods. For this time period, it looks like Passaporte #, Year, month, day, name, age, status (single, married), profession/occupation, native of (freguesia), can write or not, other people traveling with the main passport holder, next column - not sure, country traveling to, city traveling to, last column - not sure. Q) Does that mean there was only one passport to a family? A) For this time period, yes. I think so in the later passaportes as well, but then each family member was listed with their own passenger number. 3) I'm especially interested in the last column. In all the pages I've looked at, it seems to be for a teenage boy. A) That's the one I can't read. Well, I can read it. Looks like Faria e Maia to me. But no, it's not reserved for teenagers. That word did not exist in the 1800s. I seem to remember reading somewhere that the whole teenage movement became popular in the 1950s but it had its beginnings in the 1920s in the flapper era. I'd have to check my history, so don't take my word on that, but I flat out know it's not a teenage thing. The world of the 1870s was children and adults. I don't know what constituted an adult in the 1870s in the Azores. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help
Luci, Maria was born at 1 am, on the 1st of July 1874. She is the daughter of Jacintho Machado, segunda do nome, literally is the second with that name, which means the couple had another daughter caller Maria, who probably died before. Agricultor is his trade, like a farmer. Izabel da Conceição was from Sao Mateus Parish, Vila da Madalena, Pico Island. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Saturday, April 5, 2014 10:11:45 PM UTC-4, Luci wrote: Thanks to Doug for pointing me in the right direction in the search for my grandmother's birth record, I found the right one. I could use some help with the translation, especially the section following the name of her mother. This is what I have translated so far: On the 12th day of the month of July in the year 1874 in this parish church of Santissimo Trindade in the district of Lajes do Pico, diocese of Angra, I solemnly baptized an individual of the female sex to whom I gave the name Maria who was born in this parish at o'clock at night __, legitimate daughter of Jacinto Machado native of this parish and Isabel de Conceiçao of domestic occupation native of Sao Mateus of Magdelena island ?. Here's the link itself: http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P203.html She is record # 56. Luci -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brazil, Civil Registration, 1870-2012
Ubirajara, Caicó, in Rio Grande do Norte state, is online on Family Search website, the link for this city is below. Only SantAnna parish is online but probably is the one your grandmother is from, as Caicó is not a big place, especially in the XIX century. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17231-9688-22?cc=2177294wc=M78D-2M3:371343201,371343202,371434201#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fcollection%2F2177294%2Fwaypoints You may have to search one year back and one year after her birthday as most of the times the baptism occurs several days or even months after the birth of the child. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Saturday, March 22, 2014 8:30:37 PM UTC-4, Ubirajara Jales de Lira wrote: Hello 'E', If you can see the Civil Registrations of nottary's office in the Caicó city, State of the Rio Grande do Norte. I am looking my great great grandmother's mother. I know the date of birth of my great grandmother. Her name was Josefa Gomes de Oliveira, born in March 19th, 1886. Her parents were José Gomes de Oliveira and Maria Magdalena do Rosário. I need to find the mother of Maria Magdalena do Rosário. Thanks. Ubirajara Jales de Lira. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
I don't read neither Joam, nor legitimate. This is a very decorative penmanship and needs further study on this specific handwriting. I quiclkly went back and forth on some pages to check on the scriber writing and the way he writes Joam is very different from that one, the word legitimate as well is not present after his name. Joseph, I suggest you to research that book and try to find a similar pattern for that name, if you think this record is from your family. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Friday, March 21, 2014 6:55:25 AM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Thanks. I showed this to Joao Ventura and he doesn't think that it's a birth record for Joam, but rather Nicolao (or Nicolau). On Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:14:56 PM UTC-4, Dano wrote: Joseph, This is indeed difficult to read, but not impossible. Joam's name is mentioned at the beginning legitimate (abbrv) son of Mathias da Costa native of this freguesia of Sam Miguel of Villa Franca do Campo nasceo (was born) on the 4th day of the month of September 1751, and, was baptized in this same church of Sam Miguel, matriz of the aforementioned Villa, parish of his parents on the sixth day of the current month and year by me, Maoel de Medeiros , Curate of this matriz. Godfather was Mathias de Andrade, single, parishioner of this Matriz, and witnesses Pedro Corea, and Miguel Pereyra, and for the record I dated this day, month and as above. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brazil, Civil Registration, 1870-2012
I'm not an Ancestry member, I know familysearch.org has for Brazil several Civil Registration online, for different states, not all them. Plus Church Records, Passports, Immigrant Hostelry Records, etc. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Friday, March 21, 2014 12:54:00 AM UTC-4, E Sharp wrote: Ancestry now has these records listed. If you need a lookup, let me know. One at a time please. E -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Documentation of CCA Images
I understand that is confusing, Richard, and I will try to explain how it works. First of all, *forget the numbers assigned by CCA for each image*, they are going to make you more confused. If someone skips one page scan, as it happened on that case, it will mess up the subsequent numbers; that is why in digital conservation, we scan all pages, even those that don’t have anything on it. Now let me try to explain as simple as possible, because is not that simple as one may think, as rules changes from western to eastern societies. We read from left to right and they read from right to left. I will use the book I mentioned as an example. The book is in very bad condition, especially on the front, where all the corners as missing, leaving no clue on page numbering, except the dates of the baptisms that guide us to a chronological order. Later on we start seeing the page numbers on the top right side. They were assigned only on the recto side (front side of the page). My record, Anna’s baptism, was on the front side of the page, 27r, “r” as for recto (front). If the record was on the verso (back) side of that same book, we would refer it as 27v, “v” as for verso, because no page number was assigned for that side. We only use “r” recto “v” verso or “f” front “v” verso, when the leaves are numbered on one side. Otherwise you won’t need to refer as recto or verso, as you will have a different number on each side of the leaf. *A leaf is considered a piece of paper with a page on the recto side (front) and another page on the verso side (back).* If my record was on the beginning of the book, where no page number could be seen, due to the condition of the book, I would make a notation on the missing corners on that part of the book, but sorted in a chronological order. I hope I answered your question. Any other question will be very welcome. If I skipped something, let me know. Sometimes I answer the emails in the heat of the conversation and miss something. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Monday, March 17, 2014 11:29:39 PM UTC-4, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote: *With page numbers there seems to be some confusion. Usually when you bring up an image it is as if you open a book there is a page on the right and a page on the left. It could be image number 0050. In the upper right corner is a page number say 48. Now if you are referencing the record on the left would that be page 48 left entry or would it be page 47 reverse side? Which one most accurately describes the location? I long ago decided to use a description such as this: “Page number 48, left entry, CCA image 0050.” I guess the question is do you consider one piece of paper a page or is when in a book what you see as two pages together?* *Rick* *Richard Francis Pimentel* *Spring, TX* *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Isabella Baltar *Sent:* Monday, March 17, 2014 1:16 PM *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Cc:* Azores Genealogy *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Documentation of CCA Images You are correct, Walter. I did not look carefully when doing that citation . Going back again on that book, I can see that originally the folios carried a consecutive number on the recto side, most having missing corners on the front side. Anna [f. Francisco Ferreira Dormonde m. Barbara], baptismal record of 26 Jul 1616, Registros Paroquiais da Ilha Terceira, Municipio de Angra do Heroismo, Vila de São Sebastião, Matriz da Vila de São Sebastião, 1611 – 1687, page 27r, arranged by date. Biblioteca Pública e Arquivo Regional de Angra do Heroismo, Angra do Heroismo, Ilha Terceira, Azores. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Monday, March 17, 2014 12:38:14 PM UTC-4, akatex1947 wrote: Isabella, FYI, when I looked at your document for Anna and I noticed that it is paginated. Your document is on page 27 (right hand side). If you look very carefully, you can see the numbers in the top right corner. Some pages show it better than others (ie: image 0042 is page 22, image 0060 is page 31, image 0068 is page 35, etc). Every two images are on the same page so for example image 0051 and 0052 are both on page 27 (0051 on page 27 left and 0052 on page 0027 right) The page numbers are always on the right hand page (every 2 image numbers) and in almost all cases that I have encountered, the books are page numbered although sometimes they are hard to make out or interpret. Great citation information and appreciate you sharing it with us. Walter Teixeira aka...@earthlink.net On Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:10:08 AM UTC-5, Isabella Baltar wrote: Denis, I learned how to do a citation on one of the courses from the National Institute of Genealogical Studies, they have several and very useful courses that I have
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Documentation of CCA Images
You are correct, Walter. I did not look carefully when doing that citation . Going back again on that book, I can see that originally the folios carried a consecutive number on the recto side, most having missing corners on the front side. Anna [f. Francisco Ferreira Dormonde m. Barbara], baptismal record of 26 Jul 1616, Registros Paroquiais da Ilha Terceira, Municipio de Angra do Heroismo, Vila de São Sebastião, Matriz da Vila de São Sebastião, 1611 – 1687, page 27r, arranged by date. Biblioteca Pública e Arquivo Regional de Angra do Heroismo, Angra do Heroismo, Ilha Terceira, Azores. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Monday, March 17, 2014 12:38:14 PM UTC-4, akatex1947 wrote: Isabella, FYI, when I looked at your document for Anna and I noticed that it is paginated. Your document is on page 27 (right hand side). If you look very carefully, you can see the numbers in the top right corner. Some pages show it better than others (ie: image 0042 is page 22, image 0060 is page 31, image 0068 is page 35, etc). Every two images are on the same page so for example image 0051 and 0052 are both on page 27 (0051 on page 27 left and 0052 on page 0027 right) The page numbers are always on the right hand page (every 2 image numbers) and in almost all cases that I have encountered, the books are page numbered although sometimes they are hard to make out or interpret. Great citation information and appreciate you sharing it with us. Walter Teixeira aka...@earthlink.net javascript: On Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:10:08 AM UTC-5, Isabella Baltar wrote: Denis, I learned how to do a citation on one of the courses from the National Institute of Genealogical Studies, they have several and very useful courses that I have been doing since 2011 in order to have a certification. Several are the ways of doing a citation, National Archives has it is own way of doing it. The course recommended, between others, the book Evidence! Citation Analysis for the Family Historian, from Elizabeth Shown Mills, a small but very detailed book on several types of entries we face on our daily research. I adapted what I learned from the course and book and created a primary citation for the parish records we find in Azores. The primary citation is very useful if you, or anyone else, needs to see that record again, or go in person to the Library. Lets see one record, from my family; one of the oldest ones that I have on my Drummond side of the family. It is a baptismal record; note that the book is unpaginated, but as the dates are arranged in a cronological way, having the date of the baptism is crucial to locate it. I did not mention the link to the document, on the citation, as it may change over the years. For those willing to see it, the link is: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1611-1687/TER-AH-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1611-1687_item1/P52.html Below is the *primary citation* for this *baptismal record, *bibliographic entry is different than this one. Anna [f. Francisco Ferreira Dormonde m. Barbara], baptismal record of 26 Jul 1616, Registros Paroquiais da Ilha Terceira, Municipio de Angra do Heroismo, Vila de São Sebastião, Matriz da Vila de São Sebastião, 1611 – 1687, unpaginated, arranged by date. Biblioteca Pública e Arquivo Regional de Angra do Heroismo, Angra do Heroismo, Ilha Terceira. I hope this will help you and others that need to make a primary citation. If you or anyone needs further information, just send me a private email. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Friday, March 14, 2014 7:13:27 PM UTC-4, sm figueiredo wrote: Cheri, and others who may choose to comment: Now that Santa Maria is at long last online, we are presented with a new problem, one that most of you have possibly previously faced. Namely, an universally accepted way of documenting each image, so that others may easily find the same image. I understand that most just use the digital address as given by CCA (example below). To do so is fine, as long as CCA is online, and does not change their system. But this format would probably be unacceptable to any book editor. [ http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1822-1834/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1822-1834_item1/P70.html ] Denis Meals -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Documentation of CCA Images
Denis, I learned how to do a citation on one of the courses from the National Institute of Genealogical Studies, they have several and very useful courses that I have been doing since 2011 in order to have a certification. Several are the ways of doing a citation, National Archives has it is own way of doing it. The course recommended, between others, the book Evidence! Citation Analysis for the Family Historian, from Elizabeth Shown Mills, a small but very detailed book on several types of entries we face on our daily research. I adapted what I learned from the course and book and created a primary citation for the parish records we find in Azores. The primary citation is very useful if you, or anyone else, needs to see that record again, or go in person to the Library. Lets see one record, from my family; one of the oldest ones that I have on my Drummond side of the family. It is a baptismal record; note that the book is unpaginated, but as the dates are arranged in a cronological way, having the date of the baptism is crucial to locate it. I did not mention the link to the document, on the citation, as it may change over the years. For those willing to see it, the link is: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1611-1687/TER-AH-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1611-1687_item1/P52.html Below is the *primary citation* for this *baptismal record, *bibliographic entry is different than this one. Anna [f. Francisco Ferreira Dormonde m. Barbara], baptismal record of 26 Jul 1616, Registros Paroquiais da Ilha Terceira, Municipio de Angra do Heroismo, Vila de São Sebastião, Matriz da Vila de São Sebastião, 1611 – 1687, unpaginated, arranged by date. Biblioteca Pública e Arquivo Regional de Angra do Heroismo, Angra do Heroismo, Ilha Terceira. I hope this will help you and others that need to make a primary citation. If you or anyone needs further information, just send me a private email. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Friday, March 14, 2014 7:13:27 PM UTC-4, sm figueiredo wrote: Cheri, and others who may choose to comment: Now that Santa Maria is at long last online, we are presented with a new problem, one that most of you have possibly previously faced. Namely, an universally accepted way of documenting each image, so that others may easily find the same image. I understand that most just use the digital address as given by CCA (example below). To do so is fine, as long as CCA is online, and does not change their system. But this format would probably be unacceptable to any book editor. [ http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1822-1834/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1822-1834_item1/P70.html ] Denis Meals -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: A True Portuguese Success Story - How Proud We All Should Be
Thanks for sharing. It is really moving. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Friday, March 14, 2014 4:30:21 PM UTC-4, E Sharp wrote: Fellow Listers, Please read the attached. It will warm your hearts and make you feel proud of your Portuguese heritage and the success of this wonderful individual. http://www.allgov.com/usa/ca/news/appointments-and-resignations/director-of-the-department-of-rehabilitation-who-is-joe-xavier-140314?news=852677 E -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel to Brazil before 1875...Passport records or Passenger lists?
Cheri and all, https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-cgnKB4GWxn4/Ux2b36GakXI/Jy8/Nd4DfaSOTKc/s1600/IMG_6155.JPG I checked a few photos I have from different passport request book and attached one of them that may help. I understand that the island records may vary, but I remember reading the records at BPARAH and noticed that several people from other islands were at Angra do Heroismo requesting passports, mainly Graciosa, Pico and S. Jorge, besides Terceira. In the photo I attached you will see a request from José Lourenço, São Miguel island. I'm sure you will find others from São Miguel. This request from São Miguel is for the year of 1854 and it is at BPARAH. I think it is worth a try checking with them. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:29:50 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Isabella, There are no passaportes records in existence for Sao Miguel island pre-1875. Each port has different records in existence. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel to Brazil before 1875...Passport records or Passenger lists?
Thanks for all the explanation, Cheri. I was checking more about this and noticed that 1832 was the year that the Civil Government started, that is why we had those 3 ports you mentioned, Ponta Delgada, Angra and Horta. After reading what you mentioned it makes me wonder that the ship companies were probably the ones who estabilished leaving routes to this or that country from this and that island. Lets say, people who wanted to come to Brazil had to go to Angra and leave from there, I'm just guessing. I have to check more on that. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Monday, March 10, 2014 10:06:40 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Isabella, There are 3 ports in the Azores. Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel, Angra on Terceira, and Faial on Horta. The vast majority of people left from their home port. Most people from Santa Maria and Sao Miguel island left from Ponta Delgada. Yes, every once in a while I will see someone from Sao Jorge or some other island leaving from Ponta Delgada instead of their home port. I just figured that they really needed to get to the next ship sailing out. The only exception was for those traveling to Hawaii. You had to sail out of Ponta Delgada, regardless of whichever island you were from. Not many did that. An overwhelming portion of Portuguese that went to Hawaii were from Sao Miguel (and Madeira, since recruiting was done there too). I'd have to look at a map, but I would think that the home port to Angra would be people from Terceira, Graciosa, and Sao Jorge and that home port to Horta would be Faial, Pico, Flores, and Corvo. People who have worked those records extensively would have a better idea of where most came from. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel to Brazil before 1875...Passport records or Passenger lists?
Terri, Don't be discouraged about the passport of your ancestor. The date that is online, 1875, is not a limit for your search in finding your ancestor passport. You can find record books of those requesting a passport and, maybe passports, back to 1840 in Azores. I researched at BPARAH, in Terceira, and had on my hands books with records going back to the 1840's decade. The oldest passport that I have dates from 1861 and I got it there and it is from one of my Azores ancestors, my great great grandmother that left Terceira island to go to Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. After having it on my hands and analyzing all the information (they have several pages), I was able to do my research in Brazil and learn more about her. Usually the passport contains the name of the city that they are going to, and sometimes the ticket they bought with the ship name. At that time, several important ports were used in Brazil - Recife, Salvador, Rio de Janeiro and Santos - where hundred thousands of Portuguese people arrived. It will be much easier if you try to contact the Archives/Library in São Miguel and request a search on his passport so you will know which one was the port of arrival, in Brazil, that your ancestors went. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Saturday, March 8, 2014 2:15:25 AM UTC-5, Terri wrote: I have an ancestor from Vila Franca do Campo that married in August 1874. His marriage record said that his father, Manuel Pimentel Andrade was 'away in Brazil'. The CCA site has passport records starting at 1875 (of course only one year AFTER the year I need to look up...) So CCA site is out. Is there any way to find the passenger ship list maybe on a Brazilian site somwhere for when he might have arrived in Brazil if I can't when he left the Azores? Terri Santos Researching Agua d'Alto, Agua de Pau, Ginetes, Vila Franca do Campo -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Interesting purple stuff on the pages
Yes, MaryAnn, I have been considering it and talked to BPARAH about it. Razoo (http://www.razoo.com/) is one fundraiser that I may use in the future for that. Isabella On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:02 AM, MaryAnn Santos m...@nyu.edu wrote: Isabella, might you consider one of the crowd sourcing internet sites to raise money for this project. I certainly would donate. MaryAnn Santos On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Ricardo Chaves chave...@gmail.comwrote: Isabella, GREAT blog, loved the photo colorizing article! On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Tish M tish.me...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Isabella, I applaud your work. Tish On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Isabella Baltar myportuguese...@gmail.com wrote: I went to Terceira for two reasons, one to do research on my family and the second one, where I spent most of my time, was to help the BPARAH on the conservation of their archives and library. Unfortunately, only one room of the library has humidity control (for the rare docs and books) otherwise all the windows are open. The worst on this situation, besides the lack of money, is that, believe me, there is no acid free paper on the market in Portugal. Such a basic thing here in US, where you find everywhere. So, it took me and Marcolino Candeias, the director of BPARAH, a lot of time trying to find a source of acid free paper and conservation material in Portugal and we didn't find, we even talked with Torre do Tombo conservators. The only solution is: everything must be imported and the burocracy instead of helping just makes things worst. It is very sad. Next time I go to Terceira, maybe later this year, I will take with me conservation material for them to use. A donation for BPARAH and I hope to get people to help me on that. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:58:17 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: The only mold I've seen has been black. The mildew is brown. I know it's humid there. The old archive in Ponta Delgada had no humidity control. They just opened the window! The newer archive has central air and is most likely humidity controlled. I can't remember what the archive was like in Angra. Never been to the one in Horta. All the ones in America are central air with humidity control. Never knew it could turn purple though! Interesting to know! Thanks, Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- sfig Researching Island: Santa Maria Freguesia: Santa Barbara -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Ricardo Chaves -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- *MaryAnn Santos* Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator Department of Art and Art Professions NYU/Steinhardt 212.998.5702 m...@nyu.edu -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Interesting purple stuff on the pages
That's an advanced stage of mold, Cheri. The humidity in Azores is extremelly high exposing their archives and library to mold, that spreads very fast with the spores through the air. I work in Book Conservation and Restoration and have seen several books in that way, purple, here in US. Unfortunately, and usually, no treatment remove the stains caused by humidity and mold, the stains can be minimized, but it will be there forever. The mold can be stopped with the correct treatment. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Monday, February 10, 2014 9:10:57 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: Thank goodness for color scans! What is this purple stuff on the pages? http://goo.gl/Qi9m4i -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Interesting purple stuff on the pages
I went to Terceira for two reasons, one to do research on my family and the second one, where I spent most of my time, was to help the BPARAH on the conservation of their archives and library. Unfortunately, only one room of the library has humidity control (for the rare docs and books) otherwise all the windows are open. The worst on this situation, besides the lack of money, is that, believe me, there is no acid free paper on the market in Portugal. Such a basic thing here in US, where you find everywhere. So, it took me and Marcolino Candeias, the director of BPARAH, a lot of time trying to find a source of acid free paper and conservation material in Portugal and we didn't find, we even talked with Torre do Tombo conservators. The only solution is: everything must be imported and the burocracy instead of helping just makes things worst. It is very sad. Next time I go to Terceira, maybe later this year, I will take with me conservation material for them to use. A donation for BPARAH and I hope to get people to help me on that. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:58:17 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: The only mold I've seen has been black. The mildew is brown. I know it's humid there. The old archive in Ponta Delgada had no humidity control. They just opened the window! The newer archive has central air and is most likely humidity controlled. I can't remember what the archive was like in Angra. Never been to the one in Horta. All the ones in America are central air with humidity control. Never knew it could turn purple though! Interesting to know! Thanks, Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: mtDNA
I'm on this same haplogroup. I searched FTDNA for J1c1b1 and only found myself. So, Cheri, is someone related to John Michaels that has the J1c1b1? Thank you Isabella myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Thursday, February 6, 2014 3:22:42 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: Repost for John Michaels, video27 at gmail.com I am a mtDNA haplogroup J1c1b1 -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: mtDNA
Sorry, Cherry, I wasn't clear enough, I searched our Azores FTDNA group for other haplogroups like mine and found nothing. The post MtDna was a repost that you posted, that's why I asked you. I thought John Michaels was somenone new to the Azores Island discussion group and to the Azores FTDNA group as well. Isabella myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Friday, February 7, 2014 3:50:21 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: Isabella, You can't search FTDNA. Only FTDNA can search their own database. I don't know how many people in FTDNA have the J1c1b1 mtDNA haplogroup designation. Not all J1c1b1s match each other. Just as much as everyone named Silva is not related. Not everyone in J1c1 are related. It depends on their mutations. Right now, you have absolutely no one in FTDNA that matches you. If you did, FTDNA would have that person appear on your matches page. John Michaels is not part of the Azores DNA Project. I can't address or interpret non-members. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How can I find the name of my ancestor that came to Brazil
Ubirajara, When researching in Brasil the best way is the one everybody suggested, Family Search web site, then to the desired country, state, city and so on. Any type of research demands a long amount of time, sometimes years, and we cannot expect that we are going to find quickly what we want. We may find it or we may not. It took me a couple of years to get to know my family to the point I'm now. My basic research, to find out about family members I never heard about before was all, really all, based on researching every book from Family Search. It wasn't a random search, at least I knew where they lived as you. In Brazil, civil documents prior to 1900's usually are hold by the state historical archives, in your case, Arquivo Historico e Estadual do Rio Grande do Norte. With exception of Family Search and Brazilian National Archives, in Rio de Janeiro, the majority of archival documents in Brazil are not digitized, much less on line. You can contact Colegio Brasileiro de Genealogia, situated in Rio de Janeiro, to find more about researching in RGN and researchers in that area. This is the Brazilian genealogy association with lots of good and helpful people. I'm from Brazil and on my blog you will find a link for this and other places to do your research. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Saturday, January 4, 2014 6:02:45 PM UTC-5, rcapodc wrote: Ubirajara, You may have to login with a username and password at the ‘home page’ of Family Search. It should be up in the right-hand corner. Pick a username and then a password. Many of the digital images require that you sign-in. This is something that is requested by the government of whatever country owns the books. Try that and hopefully you will be able to see the digital images. Rosemarie *From:* Cheri Mello javascript: *Sent:* Saturday, January 04, 2014 2:28 PM *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How can I find the name of my ancestor that came to Brazil Repost for Ubirajara: Marylin, thanks! I do everytihing you told me, but I just can see the book. I can't get see the names of people. Can you help me about this? I found the book where I found out my most distant ancestor from Caicó City, Rio Grande do Norte State, Sant'Ana Parish 1778-1967. She is mother of my great grandmother: Josefa Gomes de Oliveira (1883). Please, help me. Ubirajara. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Starting the search of my ancestors
Jeff, I just saw your post talking about the origin of your family ancestors in RGS, Brazil. As you mentioned in your email, lots of Portuguese immigrated to different places in Brazil and the south was one of them. Many of them immigrated to RGS and adjacent areas in the second half of the XVIII century. The Angra do Heroismo Archives has online the Relação dos Imigrantes Açorianos para os Estados do Brasil, 1771-1774. The link is below, if you didn't check it yet. http://www.bparah.azores.gov.pt/html/bparah-arquivo+regional-documentos+genealogicos.html Also, I'm sure you will be able to contact the Historic Archives in Porto Alegre - http://ahpoa.blogspot.com/ - to find out more about the distribution of land in the Viamao area and the families that settled there. Usually the portuguese families that arrived there received land to live and work on, but first you need to work on finding the names of your ancestors. I'm also from Brazil and with family from Azores, mainly Terceira Island. My blog has several links to research in Brazil, including the link above. The Biblioteca Nacional has newspaper from major places in Brazil and they are online. Also National Archives, in Rio de Janeiro can also be very useful for your research. They do a great work and had provided me with several document copies from my family. You can find both links at my blog http://myportuguesegen.blogspot.com/2011/12/immigration-in-brazil.html Unfortunately Brazil doesn't have a census like we have in US. I hope this will help some and anything you can contact me on my private email. Last but not least, I do speak Portuguese. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Friday, December 27, 2013 11:58:15 AM UTC-5, Jeff Rolim wrote: Hello. I am new to genealogy but I am ready to start the research that will lead me to my lost family members. I currently live in The United States but I am from a small town in Brazil, called Viamao. Back in the days, that particular area in Brazil received a huge number of people from Azores and I always heard as a kid that my family originated there. Unfortunately, I only have a few names and even fewer birth dates that will make my research even more complicated. My mom was able to get some of the records from a church in Osorio, Brazil but few people's records were found. We actually suspect my family was Jewish but forced to become Christians back then, several friends found their records in church and my family did not. I am Jewish, by choice, and it would shock me if my research finds Jewish ancestry at this point in my life. Any help or tip from you all will be greatly appreciated, so far I have requested a DNA kit and will start my genealogy tree soon. Thanks, Jeff Rolim Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestors in Sao Miguel and Sao Jorge
I have a friend in Brazil, João Francisco, who is doing his genealogy and now searching for possible connections with our Azores group as his ancestors are from São Miguel and São Jorge islands. He doesn’t speak English and I’m helping him with this email and future ones, if any. His great grandfather, André de Viveiros Machado, immigrated to the south of Brazil with wife, Margarida de Souza Viveiros and six children Maria, Lydia, Nancy, Eugênio, Stelvio e Ivêa. He was from Fajã de Baixo and his wife and children from Matriz, Ponta Delgada. André was born in 10 Apr 1851, he was a son of José de Viveiros e Anna de Jesus. Grandson on father’s side of Antonio José de Viveiros e Antonia de Jesus, all from Nossa Senhora dos Anjos Parish. On mother’s side, grandson of José Joaquim Machado from Santa Catharina da Vila da Calheta, of São Jorge Island and Umbelina d’Anunciada from São Pedro da Vila Franca do Campo Link for André baptism, on the left side: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-B-1845-1858/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-B-1845-1858_item1/P107.html Margarida, wife of André, was the daughter of João Ferreira de Souza and Maria Thomazia de Souza. No other information found yet. He also told me his aunt, Margarida de Viveiros Leiria, was used to correspond with a cousin in US. Some family members thinks the cousin’s name can be Grace other’s Virginia. Just a clue. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with record
Nivea She was born on 20 Oct 1823. She was baptized on 29 Oct 1823. So you got it right. The priest was writing the wrong year when he realized the mistake, so he corrected it, this is the confusion you had, but your dates are correct. One godfather was the maternal uncle of the child: Thomas Francisco. The child also had a godmother from Angra do Heroismo, but for some reason she wasnt' present at the church. Jorge [Pereira Cotta] had an authorization [procuração] to represent her. I don't see her name on this document. I think that these are the basics of the document. At a first reading, I can't read well the last name of Jorge, I think is what I mention. Anyone welcome to confirm or change. Isabella On Sunday, November 24, 2013 10:13:04 PM UTC-5, Nivea wrote: Hi, I found the attached in the 1854 church baptism records from Porto Judeu Terceira. If I understand correctly, Getrudes is the legitimate daughter of Jose Caetano Pacheco his wife Josefa Vitorina, natives of this parish of San Antonio of Porto Judeu where they were received. Born 20 of October of 1823 (there's some notations of the writer making a mistake, I guess they didn't cross out errors, they simply wrote I meant to say) Baptized on 29 of the same month... and they everything gets confusing... I've been trying to decipher the general meaning of the rest of the record what the names are who they are but I haven't had much luck... I really don't need to know what every word is, just the gist of the record if any of the names mean anything... Any help would be greatly appreciated it... she is my paternal great-great grandmother... Thank you, Nivea -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] My son's Y DNA
Although I do not know much about my son’s paternal genealogy, I decided to start doing his DNA a few months ago. I know his great grandfather was Oswaldo Jose de Barros Rego and his wife was Carmen Sarita Perez, from Segovia, Spain. I don’t have any idea when they immigrated to Brazil. I checked for matchs in Azores Islands and I have nine matches with zero steps. We plan to upgrade on the upcoming months. My knowledge about Y DNA is close to zero and I may need to go back on the posts and read more from what Cheri posted. I did not upload the Gedcom because I don’t have enough info for that. My two questions are: Is it worth to upload at least some basic info on his Gedcom? I have done my full mt-DNA, how can I link it to his mtDNA, as it is showing right now as N/A. His Y DNA is R1b1a2. Thank you, Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] My son's Y DNA
Cheri, I have done 12 markers, the very basic one. I will upload what I have this weekend. Isabella -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Basic question regarding Ponta Delgada
I will keep an eye, Pam. Thanks for letting me know. Isabella On Nov 22, 2013 9:23 PM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote: Isabella, I would think Sao Sebastiao to be online maybe by next friday or the following week. On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Isabella Baltar myportuguese...@gmail.com wrote: Cheri, Thank you very much. Ponta Delgada is not my area, so I wasn't sure if the names had changed. Very much appreciate your help. Isabella Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/36m_LJ_fEBI/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ginetes.....Salanca? Is it a name or a place?
Terri, I think it is an alcunha like Cheri thinks. I have a guess: calanco. Note on the first line, the last word: Sentos. He wrote sentos with an S, when it should be centos, the correct way. So the word we are looking for could very probably be calanco. Calanco is an italina surname and it is a small ravine, a ditch. Note that some alcunha names becomes, through the years, a last name. Maybe this is the case. Isabella myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Monday, November 4, 2013 11:30:03 PM UTC-5, Terri wrote: I was searching on the CCA site for a death record for someone in my Ginetes line. I thought I had the right person but now I see another word/ name in the documents after his name that makes me wonder. I have a marriage record for Manuel de Sousa Carvalho x Anna da Estrella . But in the death record I found, I read 'Manuel Carvalho Salanca' who was married to Anna de Estrella .Sometimes I am seeing ' Lomba' after some names and I assume this is a place but is there an area of Ginetes called ' Salanca?' or could this be a last name and maybe I have the wrong death record. Terri Santos researching Agua d'Alto, Agua de Pau, Ginetes, Vila Franca Sao Pedro and Sao Miguel, -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help w/Father's Name on Topo Baptism
Good morning Fawn, Yes, Matheus Silveira is the father and Maria de Souza the mother. She was born 28 May 1710 and baptized on the 1 Jun 1710.. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Monday, November 4, 2013 12:28:50 AM UTC-5, 2si...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone has a minute to check out this baptismal record for Maria daughter of __ Silveira and Maria de Souza. I am looking for children of Mateus Silveira Agueda and Maria de Sousa and am wondering if this is one of them... Can't read the father's first name. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1704-1719/SJR-CH-TOPO-B-1704-1719_item1/P117.html Thank you, Fawn Silva St. Louis, MO -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with marriage record - Ginetes
Lee, The word is Baptizados, not Baptasdos?. Altino answered your other questions. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Sunday, October 13, 2013 12:59:05 AM UTC-4, Lee wrote: I need some help with the marriage record below (on the left page). Antonio Bernardo Cabral (son of Bernardo Cabral .d Maria digo de Francisca Maria con Michelina Thomazia Joaquina (daughter of Joze Rapozo Martens and Quiteria Maria) I have the date as September 26, 1839; I have the a question regarding the grooms parents names - I have them above as they are in the document - confused by .d Mari digo Francisca Maria. I also have a question about the wording after the brides mother of Baptasdos? Also, are both parties from Ginetes? I have also seen that the groom was born in Mosteiros. Any help/suggestions greatly appreciated. Lee http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1818-1849/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1818-1849_item1/P107.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help please
Yes, Cheri is right, he was born on 12 Oct (Outubro in portuguese) of 1853. He was baptized on the 19 Oct 1853 and the church mentioned is Nossa Senhora do Livramento. The Godfather was his maternal grandfather, Joaquim José Soares. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:27:29 PM UTC-4, Lee wrote: I've listed below the link for the bapstismos record of Antonio Inacio Cabral. He is on the bottom of the left page. He was the son of Antonio Inascio dos Reis and Maria Izabel. I read the grandparents as Joan Ignacio da Costa and Francisca Izabel for the paternal side and Joaquin Joze Soares and Roza Jacintha for the maternal side. I think it is staed that Francisca Izabel is decease but not sure I'm reading it correctly. Also, not sure of what it states for the place of birth and where the parents where from (the same set of parents I've been searching for a marriage record for!) Also, can some please confirm the date of birth as the 12th of December 1853? Thanks! Greatly appreciated. Lee http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-LIVRAMENTO-B-1849-1860/SMG-PD-LIVRAMENTO-B-1849-1860_item1/P56.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Traslation help pleae
Lee, for your marriage record you have: Francisco Garcia Duarte, son of Jose Garcia Duarte and Josefa Maria Rita Florinda do Coração de Jesus, daughter of Antonio Silveira Leal and Anna Rita. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Friday, October 11, 2013 5:24:31 PM UTC-4, Lee wrote: This is the marriage record of Francisco Garcia Duarte and Maria Rita Florinda ?? The record is on the bottom left. Help! I can't make out the date or the parents names - I do see a Jozefa (Franicisco's mother?). This record matches almost completely as the maternal grandparents of Adelaide Andreade (the brides name is different - I suspect that this is not them) Bridge should be Laurianna Florinda. Thanks! Lee http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-C-1820-1860/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-C-1820-1860_item1/P105.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores genealogy posting
Mary, They are on the process of uploading and having online the freguesias do concelho de Ponta Delgada, ilha de São Miguel e freguesias do concelho da Horta, ilha do Faial, after doing that, they will upload Vila Franca as soon as possible. And if you really want any specific document just contact them and they will do the research for you. Isabella On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:14:30 AM UTC-4, Marie wrote: I sent a message to Sao Miguel requesting info on when they might be posting Vila Franca on line. The response is posted below. I cannot read Portuguese. Appreciate someone translating. Marie Ex.ma http://ex.ma/ Senhora Marie Shantz Na sequência do pedido sobre pesquisas genealógicas de Vila Franca do Campo, ilha de São Miguel, informa-se V. Ex.a que estamos em processo de carregamento online das freguesias do concelho de Ponta Delgada, ilha de São Miguel e freguesias do concelho da Horta, ilha do Faial, seguindo com a maior brevidade possível o concelho de Vila Franca. Caso V. Exa. tenha celeridade nalgum registo, indique-nos os dados necessários para a pesquisa (nomes, freguesias, datas). Cordiais saudações Rui Marques Técnico Superior SECRETARIA REGIONAL DA EDUCAÇÃO, CIÊNCIA E CULTURA DIREÇÃO REGIONAL DA CULTURA Centro de Conhecimento dos Açores Palacete Silveira e Paulo - Rua da Conceição 9700-054 Angra do Heroísmo - Terceira - Açores 9 +351 295 403000 / +351 295 403001 http://www.azores.gov.pt/Portal/pt/entidades/pgra-drcultura http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ -Mensagem original- De: Marie E. Shantz [mailto:s...@verizon.net javascript:] Enviada: domingo, 8 de Setembro de 2013 20:41 Para: S650-CCA Assunto: Vila Franca My great grandparents were from Vila Franca. Anything you can do to put the records from Vila Franca on line would be greatly appreciated. I was there in February/March, and saw the info in your computer system. I have no idea when I will be back. It will probably be years Thank you for your consideration. Marie Shantz Sent from my iPhone -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Gonçalves ancestors - Terceira
Hi Doug, I just checked my genealogy software and found my Pacheco line. I have Francisco Vieira Pacheco married to Anna Maria (both my 5th great grandfather/mother), they were parents of Roza Ignacia Vieira, who married Vicente Jacques de Oliveira (both my 4th great grandfather/mother). I haven't research back on this line, maybe that's why I couldn't find my Gonçalves. Right now I have been doing research mainly on my mtDNA ancestry, but this doesn't mean I'm not interested on them, I just don't have enough time to research. So do we have a connection? Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:26:59 PM UTC-4, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Hi Isabella, Gonçalves is so common throughout every freguesia in every island, I am surprised it hasn't appeared in your tree yet. I must have 50 ancestors named Gonçalves from every ancestral line. You say somewhere on your website about an ancestor from Cabo da Praia and so I just looked at the tree for that ancestor and I find you do have Gonçalves. As I say, it would be surprising not to. But maybe you didn't find your way back far enough and haven't yet reached your ancestor named Manuel Gonçalves who married Catarina. Find them through your Pacheco line. And that same line has a very interesting connection to a family that is also mine and would make us very remotely related through the surname AIROSO. My oldest AIROSO ancestor was born maybe about 1537. I have a guess that your Airoso link might be from about another generation back - maybe 1500. So when you get back to that line, you can investigate that more. Atenciosamente, Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] death in Niteroi, Brasil From: Isabella Baltar myportu...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Thu, August 29, 2013 4:41 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: No, Doug, I don't have any ancestor Gonçalves, yet. I'm still working on my line from Vila da Praia da Vitória. I will let you know if I cross with any Gonçalves. Isabella On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 2:29:54 PM UTC-4, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: By the way, we probably have some Cabo da Praia ancestors in common. Did you ever find a link to Simao and Apolonia Goncalves? They married in the early 1600s. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] death in Niteroi, Brasil
No, Doug, I don't have any ancestor Gonçalves, yet. I'm still working on my line from Vila da Praia da Vitória. I will let you know if I cross with any Gonçalves. Isabella On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 2:29:54 PM UTC-4, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Hello Isabella, I appreciate your comments and corrections. About the 30 year comment in the article, I originally thought just like you that it was saying he was in Brasil for about 30 years. But that didn't sit right with me because when he died it was only 57. If living in Rio for 30 years, he would have been living there since about 1848. So just now I rechecked his marriage in Terceira and it says he had fulfilled his obligations for Lent the past year in Terceira, but the two previous Lents in Brasil. I don't show a document of his prior trip, unless they got his age wrong by more than a few years, but despite that he was certainly there in 1856 and 1857. And maybe several years before that. He certainly could have been there since 1848 as that article says. Funny thing is that without the information about where he was for Lent at marriage, I might have assumed his 1861 trip was his first. So once again, thanks for pointing it out. By the way, we probably have some Cabo da Praia ancestors in common. Did you ever find a link to Simao and Apolonia Goncalves? They married in the early 1600s. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] death in Niteroi, Brasil From: Isabella Baltar myportu...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Wed, August 28, 2013 8:57 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Doug, I have a few corrections to add to the translated text, as this impacts a lot the way the context is perceived. I copied the original translated paragraph that you posted and wrote a new one just below, as follow: *- Died on April 20 this year in Niteroi Francisco da Rocha Homem, son of the late Manuel da Rocha Homem and Marianna Narcisa, natives of Terceira in the kingdom of Portugal, and residing there around 30 years.* ** *Died on April 29 this year, in Niteroi, Francisco da Rocha Homem, son of the late Manuel da Rocha Homem and Marianna Narcisa, he was a native of Terceira, and residing in this empire around 30 years. * ** *[The day was 29, not 20. And the empire referred was the Empire of Brazil, and where he lived about 30 years, not his parents living in Terceira.] - His executors were in first place Joao Curvello de Avila, and second Matheus da Rocha, and third Joao Luiz Gravito Junior, the first of whom were equaly legal guardian of his son and inventorian of his estate. * *His executors were in first place Joao Curvello de Avila, and second Matheus da Rocha, and third Joao Luiz Gravito Junior, the first of them will also be the legal guardian of his son and executor of his estate. * *[Note the verb in the future, not in the past]* ** *- His interrment was accomplished as his executors wishes.* *His burial and masses will be done in the way wished by the executor of his will. *[Suffragio has a religious meaning in this case] * *Ah, Catete is a neighborhood of the city of Rio de Janeiro, close to downtown. Niteroi is another city, on the other side of the bay. It is funny that he lived in Niteroi and worked in Rio de Janeiro, at that time he had to cross the bay by boat, and was such a big distance. I think I'm not missing anything, Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing
Laura, you may be interested in reading this book. I'm reading it right now. The Sephardic Jews of Spain and Portugal : survival of an imperiled culture in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries Dolores J Sloan; Jonathan Kirsch Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:54:31 AM UTC-4, laura wrote: Hi, Cheri! I have a question for you. I ordered the MtDNA test and had my mother do the test.The results came in but I have no idea how to read it and when I check there are no matches. Her mother's mother was the child of a mother from Faial ( her name was Maria da Conceicao) and a father from Graciosa (Francisco da Sousa Coelho the son of Francisco Silveira da Sousa Coelho). But now I am so confused as to who our ancestors from the Azores actually are. I had someone contact me saying they were a cousin but after a couple of messages back and forth the person never replied and my mother told me the relatives that live in Massachusetts had some sort of family feud and are not speaking to one another so I am on my own doing research and as you can see I am way down the line. I don't know what test if any would show any family lines and also I have read where several of the inhabitants of the Azores were Sephardic Jews and am also interested in knowing more about that. Thank you for any help with this. Hope your day is blessed. Laura P. On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Geneva Gervais, The mtDNA Plus test tests the HyperVariable Region of the D-Loop. The Full Genomic Sequence for Full Sequence Test tests the complete mtDNA. All 100% of it. Not just the D-loop. It will bring you closer in time, but unless you have a rare mutation, you'll still be looking at matches from a couple of thousand of years ago. The vast majority of the people in the FTDNA database are indeed alive. You will see a few matches with deceased noted after their name. Hopefully, someone else is handling their DNA. It is very important to fill out the beneficiary information on the personal FTDNA page. If you can think of someone, that is great, but please, please also add in Or any FTDNA Admin so 100 years from now, someone can do something with your DNA based on the technology of that time. About 10 days ago, I made a new topic/thread about the 3 types of DNA testing (that's the name of the thread too). Here it is again: === Once upon a time, there were only 2 types of DNA testing: Y-DNA and mtDNA. We talked about these tests from 2000 to about 2010. It was all that was available back then. Y-DNA tested a MAN's strict paternal line: His father's father's father's line, or top of the pedigree. If you were a female, you had to hunt a male relative down to do a DNA test for that line. Also available was mtDNA: this is anyone's mother's mother's mother's line, or the bottom of the pedigree. Most of the information from an mtDNA test is more anthropological in nature than genealogical (anthropological = like anthropology - deep roots, out of Africa theory, think the Flintstones for those familiar with that cartoon series). I guess the DNA community did a real good job of getting Y-DNA and mtDNA into everyone's heads. So in 2010, a new type of DNA testing was available. Autosomal DNA testing. Family Tree DNA marketed this test as Family Finder (FF). It's a completely different type of test. Family Finder (FF) covers ALL the lines of the testee (whether a man or a woman takes the test) back about 200 years. I was born in the 1960s. I should see results going back to about the 1760s. I should find matches that are Portuguese from my dad's half, matches from my dad's British Isles half, and matches from my mom's Ozarks lineage. I'm seeing my ENTIRE tree. But since I still have access to my parents, I tested them. They are born in the 1930s, so I should see matches on ALL their lines back to about the 1730s. I have identified one on my mom back to 1760. I've identified a couple of my dad that go back far - one to 1696, but that's an intermarried line, so the DNA did not get diluted. Those are the 3 types of DNA testing for genealogists on the market. Which one should you chose? That depends on your goal. A Y-DNA or mtDNA gives a restricted, narrow focus: One line only. Family Finder (FF) gives a broad overview of ALL your lines. It's presented to you as a plate of spaghetti and you have to untangle all the lines. Posting your Gedcom is necessary so you can see your matches' trees and your matches can see your tree. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] death in Niteroi, Brasil
Doug, I have a few corrections to add to the translated text, as this impacts a lot the way the context is perceived. I copied the original translated paragraph that you posted and wrote a new one just below, as follow: *- Died on April 20 this year in Niteroi Francisco da Rocha Homem, son of the late Manuel da Rocha Homem and Marianna Narcisa, natives of Terceira in the kingdom of Portugal, and residing there around 30 years.* ** *Died on April 29 this year, in Niteroi, Francisco da Rocha Homem, son of the late Manuel da Rocha Homem and Marianna Narcisa, he was a native of Terceira, and residing in this empire around 30 years. * ** *[The day was 29, not 20. And the empire referred was the Empire of Brazil, and where he lived about 30 years, not his parents living in Terceira.] - His executors were in first place Joao Curvello de Avila, and second Matheus da Rocha, and third Joao Luiz Gravito Junior, the first of whom were equaly legal guardian of his son and inventorian of his estate. * *His executors were in first place Joao Curvello de Avila, and second Matheus da Rocha, and third Joao Luiz Gravito Junior, the first of them will also be the legal guardian of his son and executor of his estate. * *[Note the verb in the future, not in the past]* ** *- His interrment was accomplished as his executors wishes.* *His burial and masses will be done in the way wished by the executor of his will. *[Suffragio has a religious meaning in this case] * *Ah, Catete is a neighborhood of the city of Rio de Janeiro, close to downtown. Niteroi is another city, on the other side of the bay. It is funny that he lived in Niteroi and worked in Rio de Janeiro, at that time he had to cross the bay by boat, and was such a big distance. I think I'm not missing anything, Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 4:33:50 AM UTC-4, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Thanks for the clarifications, Joao, especially for the one year thing. That makes sense. Is the C in your middle name for Cardoso, by chance? If so, that would be a coincidence because the other Joao Ventura descends from a Cardoso Ventura line from Sao Roque do Pico that moved to Terceira in the late 1700s. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] death in Niteroi, Brasil From: João_Ventura jo...@venturas.org javascript: Date: Wed, August 28, 2013 12:25 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Doug, your translation is more or less right. However it becomes somewhat worse at the end.. It goes something like this: He set a deadline of one year for the rendering of accounts (by which time the proceeds of the sales of his goods and whatever debts paid and received would be forwarded to his son). He declared to own two carts, and water barrels (the 'pipes'), and three beasts (of burden - probably oxen or mules), that trade in the Cattete neighbouhood (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catete_(Rio_de_Janeiro)), and some clothes. His burial and 'suffrage' (no idea as well) shall be carried out as by the will of the executor. João C. Ventura -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives
Nancy, I just update my blog and I have links for researching on Madeira Archives besides other useful links to Portugal and Azores. My blog is myportuguesegen.blogspot.com and the link to Madeira Archives: http://myportuguesegen.blogspot.com/p/researching-in-madeira-islands.html Isabella Baltar On Friday, August 16, 2013 2:28:16 PM UTC-4, nan wrote: I need to start using the Madeira genealogy group website for this side of the family, when I get it. Several generations back are only from Canhas. I don't think any of the names you mentioned are relatives. I do have de Silva and de Jesus but only from Canhas. Thank You for answering. Nancy H. -- *From:* Will Clinton wi...@americanfamilyfundinggroup.com javascript: *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2013 7:24 PM *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives Hi Nancy, Dionisia de Jesus came in March 1912 to Boston, maybe thru New York-- her Husband Joao da Silva do Pomar Junior had just died within the year. She brought her 3 sons Manuel (12 yrs old), Agostinho (9 yrs old--my wife's grandfather), Domingos (6 anos), Alfredo was left for 3 to 4 years in Madeira. They settled in Taunton Mass where the family stayed until the 1980's. Joao da Silva do Pomar, I think was born 25 Sep 1862, Arco da Calheta, Madeira parents were Maria de Jesus and Antonio da Silva das Fontas. As you can see I have many holes and unverified information. I hope this helps. WILL CLINTON Partner, American Family Funding Group--NMLS #870538 DRE#00842858--NMLS #339741 Specializing in FHA, VA,MCC, CA PERS, REVERSE MORTGAGES COMMERCIAL, AND OF COURSE FANNIE AND FREDDIE PRODUCTS 1190 SO BASCOM AVE #215 SAN JOSE, CA 95128 408-297-6800 x 1702 408-273-6013 EFAX *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Nancy Hoopes *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2013 11:45 AM *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives I have documents also. Is Joao Pitta your wife's relative? Pitta came to USA in July 1910 with one of my relatives, Manuel Gomes from Canhas. I've been trying to see if I can get a picture - maybe from his passport, but Archives said they couldn't help. Nancy H. -- *From:* eric edgar nobla...@gmail.com javascript: *To:* Azores Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Sent:* Wednesday, August 14, 2013 10:50 PM *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives No problems with the Archives site.Right in On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:48 PM, eric edgar nobla...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Nancy , My wife's family is from there. Rodrigues Lobo and Pitta, the other side Abreu dos Santos is from next door in Ponta do Sol. I have a lot of documents. Who you looking for? Eric Edgar On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Nancy Hoopes nch...@sbcglobal.netjavascript: wrote: I'm working on village of Canhas, (Levada de Magdalena), Nossa Senhora da Piedade, Ponta do Sol, Madeira. Any of your relatives from that village? Many surnames. Still can't get through to Archives website. Nancy H. -- *From:* Eric Gomes gomes.a...@gmail.com javascript: *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: azo...@googlegroups.comjavascript: *Sent:* Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:27 PM *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives I am having trouble for now as well... On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Will Clinton wi...@americanfamilyfundinggroup.com javascript: wrote: Nancy, I was able to log on BUT it did take two try's--I assume you are working on Madeira! What's the name and what is the parish? Maybe we can work together -:) WILL CLINTON Partner, American Family Funding Group--NMLS #870538 DRE#00842858--NMLS #339741 Specializing in FHA, VA,MCC, CA PERS, REVERSE MORTGAGES COMMERCIAL, AND OF COURSE FANNIE AND FREDDIE PRODUCTS 1190 SO BASCOM AVE #215 SAN JOSE, CA 95128 408-297-6800 x 1702 408-273-6013 EFAX *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Nancy Hoopes *Sent:* Monday, July 29, 2013 3:40 PM *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives The website for Arquivo Madeira keeps telling me there is a problem loading the page (is taking too long to respond). Has anyone else had the problem? Thank you. Nancy H. -- *From:* Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com javascript: *To:* Azores Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Sent:* Friday, June 28, 2013 7:53 AM *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives Nancy H, It's here (and in English too!): http://goo.gl/t027G Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Quick question
Good morning Courtney, Although we don't have an index, we do have the Archives in Angra do Heroismo, that holds all the information about the churchs and the burials. Angra do Heroismo, besides Vila de São Sebastião and Vila da Praia, are between the oldest cities in Azores going back to the late 1400's. The atrium of their churchs contain many Christian burials, although now we can't see them anymore as they remodeled, they are still there and we can confirm with the documents. I have a post on my blog where I comment about the Matriz da Vila de São Sebastião cemetery and links to research on the Archives, myportuguesegen.blogspot.com Hope you find it useful, Isabella Baltar On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 9:12:30 PM UTC-4, Courtney L wrote: I was wondering what was the oldest cemetery in Terceria? Also the other cemeteries in Terceria and if there is a index online or something of the sort because I am trying to look for dates for my family tree. Thank you Courtney Luis -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Results from mtDNA
My results arrived and it was confirmed that I'm a J1C1B1, unfortunately, no matches found. Sooo frustrating not finding a single one at FamilyTreeDna. On the other hand, I was just able to confirm that I'm an Ashkenazim descendant, which I was reading a lot about since I knew I was a J1, previously. I will keep researching and looking for someone to pop up with results similar to mine.! Isabella -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Culturacores Website
This morning I sent an email to Marcolino Candeias, Director of BPARAH, and who become good friends since my last visit to Azores, He is also frustrated with the situation. I decided to copy and paste part of the message, so those who speak Portuguese can read what he told me. Accordingly to the person he talked on CCA the problem is on the Government Servers that don't have space at the moment and they don't know when it will be available. A informação que obtive foi a de que têm falta de espaço no servidor central do Governo e que por essa razão não podem publicá-los. Pode parecer uma explicação estranha, mas eu sei que deve ser a real. Os técnicos de informática do Governo, contrariando o sentido e o conceito da Internet, têm sempre defendido a centralização dos servidores, o que evidentemente, além de outros inconvenientes e sobretudo perigos, traz problemas destes. Hope this has answered at least part of the questions regarding updates on the CCA website. Isabella On Monday, August 5, 2013 1:28:18 AM UTC-4, John Machado wrote: I was curious if anyone knows when and if additional records will be added to the Culturacoreshttp://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspxwebsite. I have been checking in every once in a while to see if Flamengos, Faial records have been added. Has there been activity for other islands and parishes? It has been such an invaluable resource. I noticed some of the records I ordered through Joao Ventura also had the watermark (DRAC-EPARJJG) similar to those images on the website. Those ordered records came from parishes not on the website. That seems to suggest the records are in existence but not yet uploaded? Joao is a great asset but sometimes I have to just read all the records online to get him a starting point. John -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pronunciation, Lisbon vs. Sao Miguel Portuguese
I'm Brazilian and so my Portuguese is from Brazil, where I lived most of my life. Brazil is almost as big as US, having several different accents as we have here in US if you go from N to S or E to W. I have been to Portugal and to Azores (Terceira) and I never had a problem communicating with anyone. I traveled alone so I had to really speak to everybody in restaurants, churches, libraries, taxi drivers, everybody understand my Portuguese as I did understand them. It was never a problem at all. Brazilian Portuguese is for Portugal Portuguese as American English is for English from UK, except for regional accents. That is what I experienced while being there for about one month and a half. Isabella On Friday, July 12, 2013 4:10:06 PM UTC-4, David Perry wrote: I'm starting to learn Portuguese and everything I see and hear doesn't sound at all like what I remember as a child while listening to my born in Sao Miguel father talking to his relatives and neighbors, all of whom spoke only Portuguese. For instance, I specifically remember very well two words: legs which my father pronounced pad-nish (doesn't sound at all like what I see in a dictionary - pernas) and chourico which my father pronounced shoo-dees. How different is the Sao Miguel Portuguese from Lisbon Portuguese? Are there a few general rules I can follow such as r's sound like d's or drop the ending vowel as in the two examples above? David -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Cemetery on death record listed - but cemetery says not buried there
I recently visited Azores and tried to visit the cemetery and church cemetery from my ancestors, but I wasn't able to find them because they moved the cemetery 3 times. If you go to my blog, the last post is exactly about this situation and my frustation on not finding my family. Isabella Baltar - myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:02:30 PM UTC-4, E Sharp wrote: Has anyone else run across this? I have a person whose death certificate says she is buried in the cemetery and her name is on the family stone but the cemetery tells me she is not buried there. E -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J
Lorinda, Thank you for contacting. I know about the National Geographic project, I have done my DNA through Sorenson, some time ago as well. DNA tests has changed a lot, so I decided to do another one this week, to have a deeper information on my maternal side of the family. I hope this will help me with a brick wall that I have at the moment and have enough information for my two daughters. If you decided at any time to search your maternal side, let me know what you have, as our J group is small, the travelling between the island were common, we may have connection. Isabella On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Lorinda Sevenans lseven...@gmail.comwrote: I did my mtDNA with National Geographic a couple of years ago and it came out J* (not 1 or 2). I haven't worked too much on my material side since my father's side (mostly English, been in the US since the 1620's) has been much easier to track. The earliest maternal female I know of is my great-grandmother, who was born in Mass. My grandmother and mother were both born in Fairfield, CA, so I don't know which islands that line came from. My grandfather was born on Sao Jorge, as were both of his parents and that's as far back as I've gotten in that line. Lorinda On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:52 AM, Isabella Baltar myportuguese...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning Judi, Is your J group a maternal one? Are you a J1 or J2 ? Is this the J the one going back to 1800? Sorry asking so many questions, just trying to figure out the information. Isabella On Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:35:58 AM UTC-4, Jude 26 wrote: Hi Isabella, My maternal line only goes back to 1800. I have a pai incognito which held me up for a long time. my other lines go back to the 1500's. All my lines are on Sao Miguel, I don't have any other islands. Judi Sent from my iPad On Jun 14, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Isabella Baltar myportu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Judi, We are just a few having the J. How far back were you able to go? I have all my maternal line back to the 1600's, until my 7th great grandmother, the records show that they were all born in Terceira, mainly in São Sebastião, except for the 7th one that I don't have a birth record. Isabella On Friday, June 14, 2013 2:31:47 PM UTC-4, Jude 26 wrote: Hi Isabella, I have haplogroup J. My family is Pacheco from Nordeste, Sao Miguel. Judi Phillips -- Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 17:07:54 -0700 From: myportu...@gmail.com To: azo...@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J Hi all, I have been working on my maternal genealogy and have it documented until the second half of 1600's. Being able to know my haplogroup, J1, gave new lights to my research and I hope this will help to break a brick wall I have at the moment, although I'm working in different ways to find more. The mtDNA on the J group is no more than 8% of the population of the Central and Eastern islands (Santos et al. in Origin of Peopling in the Azores). On the Y DNA, the significance for the J haplogroup is 10% for the Central islands and 11.7% for the Eastern ones (Fernando et al. in Peopling of the Azores). I would like to know if there is anyone in the group that has the Haplogroup J (mtDNA) on the Central islands and the Eastern ones? Thank you, Isabella http://myportuguesegen.blogspot.commyportuguesegen.blogspot.com -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/Wg861gyCMLk/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J
Good morning Judi, Is your J group a maternal one? Are you a J1 or J2 ? Is this the J the one going back to 1800? Sorry asking so many questions, just trying to figure out the information. Isabella On Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:35:58 AM UTC-4, Jude 26 wrote: Hi Isabella, My maternal line only goes back to 1800. I have a pai incognito which held me up for a long time. my other lines go back to the 1500's. All my lines are on Sao Miguel, I don't have any other islands. Judi Sent from my iPad On Jun 14, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Isabella Baltar myportu...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Hi Judi, We are just a few having the J. How far back were you able to go? I have all my maternal line back to the 1600's, until my 7th great grandmother, the records show that they were all born in Terceira, mainly in São Sebastião, except for the 7th one that I don't have a birth record. Isabella On Friday, June 14, 2013 2:31:47 PM UTC-4, Jude 26 wrote: Hi Isabella, I have haplogroup J. My family is Pacheco from Nordeste, Sao Miguel. Judi Phillips -- Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 17:07:54 -0700 From: myportu...@gmail.com To: azo...@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J Hi all, I have been working on my maternal genealogy and have it documented until the second half of 1600's. Being able to know my haplogroup, J1, gave new lights to my research and I hope this will help to break a brick wall I have at the moment, although I'm working in different ways to find more. The mtDNA on the J group is no more than 8% of the population of the Central and Eastern islands (Santos et al. in Origin of Peopling in the Azores). On the Y DNA, the significance for the J haplogroup is 10% for the Central islands and 11.7% for the Eastern ones (Fernando et al. in Peopling of the Azores). I would like to know if there is anyone in the group that has the Haplogroup J (mtDNA) on the Central islands and the Eastern ones? Thank you, Isabella http://myportuguesegen.blogspot.commyportuguesegen.blogspot.com -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J
Hi all, I have been working on my maternal genealogy and have it documented until the second half of 1600's. Being able to know my haplogroup, J1, gave new lights to my research and I hope this will help to break a brick wall I have at the moment, although I'm working in different ways to find more. The mtDNA on the J group is no more than 8% of the population of the Central and Eastern islands (Santos et al. in Origin of Peopling in the Azores). On the Y DNA, the significance for the J haplogroup is 10% for the Central islands and 11.7% for the Eastern ones (Fernando et al. in Peopling of the Azores). I would like to know if there is anyone in the group that has the Haplogroup J (mtDNA) on the Central islands and the Eastern ones? Thank you, Isabella myportuguesegen.blogspot.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J
That's very impressive, Cheri, and very unique. I'm willing to do another if it will add new clues to my research. Do you suggest anything? Isabella On Friday, June 14, 2013 3:13:29 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: Two J1 out of about 200 mtDNA results. That's only 1% of the Azores DNA project, which is not random sampling. Cheri Mello FTDNA Admin (volunteer) Azores DNA -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J
Hi Judi, We are just a few having the J. How far back were you able to go? I have all my maternal line back to the 1600's, until my 7th great grandmother, the records show that they were all born in Terceira, mainly in São Sebastião, except for the 7th one that I don't have a birth record. Isabella On Friday, June 14, 2013 2:31:47 PM UTC-4, Jude 26 wrote: Hi Isabella, I have haplogroup J. My family is Pacheco from Nordeste, Sao Miguel. Judi Phillips -- Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 17:07:54 -0700 From: myportu...@gmail.com javascript: To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] mtDNA haplogroup J Hi all, I have been working on my maternal genealogy and have it documented until the second half of 1600's. Being able to know my haplogroup, J1, gave new lights to my research and I hope this will help to break a brick wall I have at the moment, although I'm working in different ways to find more. The mtDNA on the J group is no more than 8% of the population of the Central and Eastern islands (Santos et al. in Origin of Peopling in the Azores). On the Y DNA, the significance for the J haplogroup is 10% for the Central islands and 11.7% for the Eastern ones (Fernando et al. in Peopling of the Azores). I would like to know if there is anyone in the group that has the Haplogroup J (mtDNA) on the Central islands and the Eastern ones? Thank you, Isabella myportuguesegen.blogspot.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] My blog and my travel to Azores
Hello all, I arrived from Terceira Island one month ago and started updating my blog about my Azores genealogy. I will update it in a constant basis the upcoming weeks, and will share there what I saw, my experience and photos of the places I visited. For those interested, here is the link: myportuguesegen.blogspot.com Thank you, Isabella Baltar -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help - SATA in US
Thanks, Ed, with the information, but yesterday my agent in Terceira managed my tickets and I'm flying on Tuesday. I don't want to take it for granted and be in an over booked flight, instead I decided to have a flight later in the week, but confirmed . Thank you anyway. Isabella On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Ed edwardmel...@gmail.com wrote: Isabella- Latest update I hear is that SATA is leaving tomorrow, February 10 at 12:30PM, and that all passengers, need to be at the airport 3 hours prior. Since you are on US Air, you should be protected, in case you can't make the flight, as SATA has an interline agreement with US Air. Any problems, just contact the 1-508-677-0555, as they keep the information up to date. -Ed On Thursday, February 7, 2013 4:03:59 PM UTC-5, Isabella Baltar wrote: Hi Bruce, That's the same number that Cheri gave me, I already called twice but no one answer, so I left a message. Isabella On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Bruce A. Tavares bta...@msn.com wrote: I use the office in Fall River, Massachusetts. It's called Azores Express but they are SATA. The number is:508-677-0555. They are located at: 211 South Main Street, Fall River, Massachusetts. -- Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 08:51:55 -0800 From: myportu...@gmail.com To: azo...@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help - SATA in US Hello group, Does anyone has a phone number for SATA in US??? I'm travelling tomorrow night from Charlotte to Boston, and at night in a flight from SATA to Lisbon. We have this historic blizzardas they are calling, coming to Boston tomorrow, and I talked to SATA in Portugal but they still don't know anything about the storm. The flights in US to that area are being cancelled. My daughter was going to NY and Delta has cancelled her flight, mine is from US Airways and is still in travel advisory. I will appreciate a lot any information on phones from SATA in US, Thank you so much, Isabella -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to Azores+un...@** googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/Azoreshttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@**googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to Azores+un...@** googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/Azoreshttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@**googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help - SATA in US
Hello group, Does anyone has a phone number for SATA in US??? I'm travelling tomorrow night from Charlotte to Boston, and at night in a flight from SATA to Lisbon. We have this historic blizzardas they are calling, coming to Boston tomorrow, and I talked to SATA in Portugal but they still don't know anything about the storm. The flights in US to that area are being cancelled. My daughter was going to NY and Delta has cancelled her flight, mine is from US Airways and is still in travel advisory. I will appreciate a lot any information on phones from SATA in US, Thank you so much, Isabella -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help - SATA in US
Thank you, Cheri, I will call them as my flight to Boston has just been cancelled. Isabella On Thursday, February 7, 2013 2:16:38 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: (508) 677-0555 Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help - SATA in US
Hi Bruce, That's the same number that Cheri gave me, I already called twice but no one answer, so I left a message. Isabella On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Bruce A. Tavares btaz...@msn.com wrote: I use the office in Fall River, Massachusetts. It's called Azores Express but they are SATA. The number is:508-677-0555. They are located at: 211 South Main Street, Fall River, Massachusetts. -- Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 08:51:55 -0800 From: myportuguese...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help - SATA in US Hello group, Does anyone has a phone number for SATA in US??? I'm travelling tomorrow night from Charlotte to Boston, and at night in a flight from SATA to Lisbon. We have this historic blizzardas they are calling, coming to Boston tomorrow, and I talked to SATA in Portugal but they still don't know anything about the storm. The flights in US to that area are being cancelled. My daughter was going to NY and Delta has cancelled her flight, mine is from US Airways and is still in travel advisory. I will appreciate a lot any information on phones from SATA in US, Thank you so much, Isabella -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores trip
Lorraine, I'm leaving to Portugal and Azores in two weeks. I will stay in Terceira for one month; João Ventura is helping me with my stay and car. I want to drive so I will feel free to visit whatever I want, and stay at those places as much as I can to do my research, take photos and write a journal. As Celeste Perry has said previously, João Ventura is very reliable. I think travelling to Azores by boat is not worth, its too far way, almost 1000 miles/1500 km from the mainland. Sata is the best from US (west or east coast - I'm on east coast). Unless you want to experience how people were used to go back and fourth from there. I have atravel agent in Terceira who planned all my flights. She manages to find the best dates and deals. If you want her contact I can give to you. I use skype to talk to her. Last, but not the least, there is a website where you can search for local places to stay; they are private homes or rooms for rent all over the world, and as well as in Azores. Lots of reviews from each place. airbnb.com If you want any additional information while I'm there or when I come back, feel free to contact me. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:38:38 AM UTC-5, Lorraine wrote: *We’re planning a trip to the Azores in May. Does anyone know of any planned trips, good deals, air fares, hotels? I’m guessing the main airport is in San Miguel. We’ll want to travel to Graciosa (my family’s birthplace) and probably Terciera, by boat? plane?. Any other suggestions? What about a driver/tour guide? Thanks much!* -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brazil to Portugal
Olá Doreen, I just tested the link to go to my blog and the link to São Paulo immigration, and they are both working well, no delays. Try again later, I think, maybe your server (the provider you use for the internet) is experiencing some problems. If it happens again, just let me know, and I will try to help you. Good luck! Isabella myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:19 PM, rondo ranch ro...@lightspeed.net wrote: Ola Isabella Presently I'm trying to complete some research in Brazil too. I'm trying to utilize the the link your provided but the web page it taking a very long time to download. Is this normal? Thanks, Doreen -Original Message- From: Isabella Baltar ** Sent: Jan 20, 2013 8:15 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brazil to Portugal Hi Sandy, I have been researching Brazil for more than 5 years, and as many other suggested, Family Search is a great place to do your search. I will also suggest you my blog, where I have specific links to some archives in São Paulo, Brazil. http://myportuguesegen.blogspot.com/2012/02/immigration-in-brazil-ii.html If you need any help please let me know. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Thursday, December 1, 2011 8:52:51 PM UTC-5, Azores3886 wrote: I have my great great grandmother named Emilia dos Santos (Teotonio) who was born in Brazil circa 1888 and immigrated to Portugal sometime betwen 1888 and 1915 and then immigrated to Taunton in 1916 and then eventually went back to Sao Miguel. I only found the mother's name which is Maria J Santos. The father's name was not mentioned on the passenger manifest when she was coming from Sao Miguel to the U.S. She died circa 1972 in Sao Miguel. Her husbands name was Manuel Jose Teotonio (Theotonio). Anyone know any one I could contact to help me find a birth record for Brazil or an death record for 1972. Also trying to look at census records for Taunton, Ma around 1916 or 1920. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brazil to Portugal
Hi Sandy, I have been researching Brazil for more than 5 years, and as many other suggested, Family Search is a great place to do your search. I will also suggest you my blog, where I have specific links to some archives in São Paulo, Brazil. http://myportuguesegen.blogspot.com/2012/02/immigration-in-brazil-ii.html If you need any help please let me know. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Thursday, December 1, 2011 8:52:51 PM UTC-5, Azores3886 wrote: I have my great great grandmother named Emilia dos Santos (Teotonio) who was born in Brazil circa 1888 and immigrated to Portugal sometime betwen 1888 and 1915 and then immigrated to Taunton in 1916 and then eventually went back to Sao Miguel. I only found the mother's name which is Maria J Santos. The father's name was not mentioned on the passenger manifest when she was coming from Sao Miguel to the U.S. She died circa 1972 in Sao Miguel. Her husbands name was Manuel Jose Teotonio (Theotonio). Anyone know any one I could contact to help me find a birth record for Brazil or an death record for 1972. Also trying to look at census records for Taunton, Ma around 1916 or 1920. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with on obit please - Victorina Rosa
I don't know where I came up with 24, its clear 28 as Margaret said. Isabella On Oct 31, 7:49 pm, BaltarFamily myportuguese...@gmail.com wrote: Diane, The record is about the death of Victorina Constancia, married to Christiano Machado. She was only 24 years old when she passed on 16 of September of 1853, and was buried at the local Parish cemetery (São Matheus - Urzelina). Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Oct 31, 6:09 pm, Diane ddon...@bigpond.net.au wrote: I know that my GGGrandmother from Urzelina died somewhere between 1853 and 1863. I have searched the registers many times and the only record that shows the names of her and her husband in any format is the following. 3rd par on right. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-... Her husband was Christiano Machado Pereira. This Victorina seems to have a different middle name but the rest all adds up - parish etc. and the names are relatively uncommon. She had a child in February of 1853 and this death is in September I think. Christiano remarried in 1863 to her sister Perpetua. Can anyone please confirm whether this is the likely record I have been looking for. If not, would it appear in another place when all the family's other records are in Urzelina? thank you Diane Donnon -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
