Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help

[Gordon soares]

Thanks Bill
This may have a link to my grandmother 
I’ve got a bit more work to do. I needed those
Names. 
Gordon 

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> On Jul 12, 2019, at 8:01 PM, William Seidler  wrote:
> 
> Gordon,
> 
> Both of these are for someone with the first name Gaspar.  
> 
> The first can be found here 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-B-1584-1591/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-B-1584-1591_item1/P83.html
>  and I believe it is the 1590 baptism of Gaspar, son of Antonio Lucas and 
> Maria Luisa.
> 
> The second is a 1639 obituary of Gaspar Lucas (likely the same person in the 
> above baptism) and can be found here 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-O-1607-1651/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-O-1607-1651_item1/P79.html.
>   These are from the frequesia of Santa Barbara das Nove Ribeiras on Terceira 
> Island.
> 
> Is that something you are looking for?
> 
> Bill Seidler
> 
>> On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 10:26:00 AM UTC-7, gs...@centurylink.net wrote:
>> Can someone translate these two documents for me? Gaspar is my paternal 
>> Granmothers maiden name.
>> 
>> Gordon
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help

[William Seidler]

Gordon,

Both of these are for someone with the first name Gaspar.  

The first can be found here 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-B-1584-1591/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-B-1584-1591_item1/P83.html
 and 
I believe it is the 1590 baptism of Gaspar, son of Antonio Lucas and Maria 
Luisa.

The second is a 1639 obituary of Gaspar Lucas (likely the same person in 
the above baptism) and can be found here 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-O-1607-1651/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-O-1607-1651_item1/P79.html.
  
These are from the frequesia of Santa Barbara das Nove Ribeiras on Terceira 
Island.

Is that something you are looking for?

Bill Seidler

On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 10:26:00 AM UTC-7, gs...@centurylink.net wrote:
>
> Can someone translate these two documents for me? Gaspar is my paternal 
> Granmothers maiden name.
>
> Gordon
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help Costa Pimental families

[Janet Carminati]

Hello all,

Mary - I have determined that I have two Manuel Sebastiao Pimentels in my 
line and then one Sebastiao (Antonio?) Pimentel married to Anna de 
Trinidade.   My great great uncle was Manuel Sebastiao Pimentel (b Oct 22 
1848 d May 4 1904) married to Maria da Gloria Pimental.  Manuel's father 
was also Manuel Sebastiao Pimental (not sure about birth date, married to 
Maria de Rosario on Jan 9, 1845).  Do you have these in your line?

Could anyone can help decipher some of the names in the below records as I 
work to determine the relationships?

Death record Sebastiao Pimentel (bottom of pg 2)
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-O-1840-1848/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-O-1840-1848_item1/P68.html


Marriage record for Sebastiao Pimentel - this might not be correct as I 
cannot determine if "Pimentel" is listed (top of pg 1)
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-C-1767-1833/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-C-1767-1833_item1/P224.html
I believe the names are:
Sebastiao's parents - Joao Pimental and ? Frietas 
Anna's parents are Antonio Rosario and Maria da Trinidad


Baptism of Antonio (?)
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1812-1825/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1812-1825_item1/P90.html
Father - Sebastiao Antonio Pimentel (?)
Mother - Anna da Trinidad
Paternal grandparents - Joao Pimental G? and Marianna de Freitas
Maternal grandparents - Antonio ? and Maria da Trinidad


Thank you all for the assistance!
Janet

On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 7:43:32 PM UTC-4, Mary Pimentel Wheeler wrote:
>
> Do you have any birth/death/marriage dates for your Jerome Sebastian 
> Pimentel?  I have several Sebastiao Pimentels in my tree, from Flores, and 
> many of their male children were named (first name) Sebastiao Pimentel.  
> I'm wondering if there is a connection somewhere?
>
> On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 9:16:28 AM UTC-7, Janet Carminati wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I believe I have found the first baptism records of the Costa side of my 
>> family who settled in Napa in the late 1800's along with the Pimental 
>> family.  Several Costas married several Pimentals including my great great 
>> grandparents Jerome Sebastian Pimental and Conceicao Marie Costa.
>>
>> I am having a hard time reading the names (parent's, god parents, and 
>> confirming child name) - if anyone would be willing to help decipher these 
>> records I would very much appreciate it!
>>
>> The family was from Santa Cruz, Flores and the records that I believe 
>> might be the following family members are below:
>>
>> 3 siblings (Ermelinda, Joseph, John Costa) - the parents are Maria de 
>> Jesus Azevedo and ? Costa
>>
>> Ermelinda A Costa born July 18, 1867:
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1865-1870/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1865-1870_item1/P71.html
>>
>> Jose (Joseph) Francisco Costa born Nov 1869 (I do not have date):
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1865-1870/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1865-1870_item1/P162.html
>>
>> Joao (John) Costa born Oct 22 1871:
>> 2 possible Joao Costas:
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1870-1875/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1870-1875_item1/P38.html
>> or 
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1870-1875/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1870-1875_item1/P40.html
>>
>>
>>
>> The generation above include the following siblings: (Conceicao, Antone, 
>> Margarida and sister in law Maria Azevedo married to the unknown first name 
>> Costa husband)
>>
>> Conceicao Marie Costa born Nov 3 1861:
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1861-1865/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1861-1865_item1/P30.html
>>
>> The older siblings are in a different book and the handwriting is much 
>> more difficult to decipher.  Can anyone tell me what row to find the year 
>> and month so I might narrow in on these family members:
>> page 1 of the years 1842-1857 is at the below link:
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857_item1/P3.html
>>
>> Antone Costa born 1855 (month not known)
>> Maria E Costa born 1850 (month not known)
>> Margarida Costa born 1848 (month not known)
>> Maria de Jesus Azevedo (sister in law) born Jan 15 1843 - not sure if 
>> also from Santa Cruz.
>>
>> Thank you all for your help.  So exciting that after about 5 years I 
>> might have traced part of the family back to the Azores - and thanks to the 
>> UPEC records which are the only documents I've found listing the town which 
>> helped narrow my search!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Janet Carminati 
>>
>>
>>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help Costa Pimental families

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

Do you have any birth/death/marriage dates for your Jerome Sebastian 
Pimentel?  I have several Sebastiao Pimentels in my tree, from Flores, and 
many of their male children were named (first name) Sebastiao Pimentel.  
I'm wondering if there is a connection somewhere?

On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 9:16:28 AM UTC-7, Janet Carminati wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I believe I have found the first baptism records of the Costa side of my 
> family who settled in Napa in the late 1800's along with the Pimental 
> family.  Several Costas married several Pimentals including my great great 
> grandparents Jerome Sebastian Pimental and Conceicao Marie Costa.
>
> I am having a hard time reading the names (parent's, god parents, and 
> confirming child name) - if anyone would be willing to help decipher these 
> records I would very much appreciate it!
>
> The family was from Santa Cruz, Flores and the records that I believe 
> might be the following family members are below:
>
> 3 siblings (Ermelinda, Joseph, John Costa) - the parents are Maria de 
> Jesus Azevedo and ? Costa
>
> Ermelinda A Costa born July 18, 1867:
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1865-1870/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1865-1870_item1/P71.html
>
> Jose (Joseph) Francisco Costa born Nov 1869 (I do not have date):
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1865-1870/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1865-1870_item1/P162.html
>
> Joao (John) Costa born Oct 22 1871:
> 2 possible Joao Costas:
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1870-1875/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1870-1875_item1/P38.html
> or 
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1870-1875/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1870-1875_item1/P40.html
>
>
>
> The generation above include the following siblings: (Conceicao, Antone, 
> Margarida and sister in law Maria Azevedo married to the unknown first name 
> Costa husband)
>
> Conceicao Marie Costa born Nov 3 1861:
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1861-1865/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1861-1865_item1/P30.html
>
> The older siblings are in a different book and the handwriting is much 
> more difficult to decipher.  Can anyone tell me what row to find the year 
> and month so I might narrow in on these family members:
> page 1 of the years 1842-1857 is at the below link:
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1842-1857_item1/P3.html
>
> Antone Costa born 1855 (month not known)
> Maria E Costa born 1850 (month not known)
> Margarida Costa born 1848 (month not known)
> Maria de Jesus Azevedo (sister in law) born Jan 15 1843 - not sure if also 
> from Santa Cruz.
>
> Thank you all for your help.  So exciting that after about 5 years I might 
> have traced part of the family back to the Azores - and thanks to the UPEC 
> records which are the only documents I've found listing the town which 
> helped narrow my search!
>
> Regards,
> Janet Carminati 
>
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help - Graciosa - Marriage - 1742 - Joao da Sylva filho de Antonio da Sylva e de Maria de VasConCellos

['Bill Boyd' via Azores Genealogy]

 Thank you Rosemarie.  I'm new to these older records (been filling out the 
tree rather than going deep).  Like starting all over with all of the 
abbreviations!  More to learn
Bill
   On Wednesday, April 3, 2019, 8:22:37 AM PDT, Rosemarie Capodicci 
 wrote: 
 
 Bill, the large "C" in many records is something that is peculiar to some 
Priest's handwriting. I see it a lot in Norte Grande, Sao Jorge when writing 
the dates. Sometimes the "C" is almost as big as the "T" in the word and it's 
easy to mistake the date if you don't know which decade that you are searching! 
Rosemarie rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and 
Pico, Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 7:20 AM 'Bill Boyd' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:

Thanks once again Bill!  The way the record ended confused me, but I didn’t 
notice the missing page. Perhaps I’ll look through to see if it was inserted 
elsewhere. What a loss if missing. 
You’re likely correct on the “C”. The way it made sections stand out just made 
me think. 
Cheers,

Bill
On Apr 3, 2019, at 1:06 AM, bsei2...@gmail.com wrote:


Hello Bill
There seems to be a page or scans (13v and 14) missing.  This is casamento #50 
and the next page has what I assume is the last part of Casamento #52 before 
#53 starts.  Looking at the last page of the index (image 115), it seems the 
end  of 50, all of 51, and the beginning of 52 are missing.  The bride's name 
is on the right margin where possibly someone tried to recover the lost 
information.  It is Domingas Avila de Bettencourt and can be confirmed on the 
index at the end of this book.  Her parents names are not clear to me but I 
believe I see Manuel Lobam C?? and Catharina ?
As for Vasconcellos, look at Fran-CisCo (lines 7&8).   I think the large Cs are 
purely stylistic.
Bill Seidler
On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 10:42:38 PM UTC-7, want2beunique wrote:
Some questions about the bottom right record 
here:http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-C-1717-1742/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-C-1717-1742_item1/P107.html

Trying to trace my da Silva de Vasconcellos line in Victoria, Guadalupe, 
Graciosa.  Questions:
   
   - Is what I have here correct (dates/names)?
   - What is in the margins (can't make out key words, but looks like two 
events for Joao)?
   - I've never seen "VasConCellos" capitalized this way.  Could this be a 
combination with "Vaz" (as in "Vaz" from "Vaz do Conde Sodre" became combined 
with "con" and "cellos")?
   - I can't make out the brides parents?  Seems to stop with the groom's 
parents, but the right margin seems to have the information?
Bits and Pieces I can make out:The marriage of Joao da Silva (Vasconcellos) and 
Domingas de Ávila.

Em os quatro diaz de Fevereiro do mil sette centos quarenta e dois.
Joao da Sylva filho de Antonio da Sylva e de Maria de VasConCellos.

Left margin: P. ? a Joao da Silva ? mes do Junho de 1804P. Qa a ? em 17 de Mais 
de 1805 quadro ?
Right margin: Com Dome de Avila filha de ? Loboa Corria ???

Thank you!
Bill



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help - Graciosa - Marriage - 1742 - Joao da Sylva filho de Antonio da Sylva e de Maria de VasConCellos

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Bill, the large "C" in many records is something that is peculiar to some
Priest's handwriting. I see it a lot in Norte Grande, Sao Jorge when
writing the dates. Sometimes the "C" is almost as big as the "T" in the
word and it's easy to mistake the date if you don't know which decade that
you are searching!
Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 7:20 AM 'Bill Boyd' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thanks once again Bill!  The way the record ended confused me, but I
> didn’t notice the missing page. Perhaps I’ll look through to see if it was
> inserted elsewhere. What a loss if missing.
>
> You’re likely correct on the “C”. The way it made sections stand out just
> made me think.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill
>
> On Apr 3, 2019, at 1:06 AM, bsei2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hello Bill
>
> There seems to be a page or scans (13v and 14) missing.  This is casamento
> #50 and the next page has what I assume is the last part of Casamento #52
> before #53 starts.  Looking at the last page of the index (image 115), it
> seems the end  of 50, all of 51, and the beginning of 52 are missing.  The
> bride's name is on the right margin where possibly someone tried to recover
> the lost information.  It is Domingas Avila de Bettencourt and can be
> confirmed on the index at the end of this book.  Her parents names are not
> clear to me but I believe I see Manuel Lobam C?? and Catharina ?
>
> As for Vasconcellos, look at Fran-CisCo (lines 7&8).   I think the large
> Cs are purely stylistic.
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 10:42:38 PM UTC-7, want2beunique wrote:
>
>> Some questions about the bottom right record here:
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-C-1717-1742/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-C-1717-1742_item1/P107.html
>>
>> Trying to trace my da Silva de Vasconcellos line in Victoria, Guadalupe,
>> Graciosa.  Questions:
>>
>>
>>1. Is what I have here correct (dates/names)?
>>2. What is in the margins (can't make out key words, but looks like
>>two events for Joao)?
>>3. I've never seen "VasConCellos" capitalized this way.  Could this
>>be a combination with "Vaz" (as in "Vaz" from "Vaz do Conde Sodre" became
>>combined with "con" and "cellos")?
>>4. I can't make out the brides parents?  Seems to stop with the
>>groom's parents, but the right margin seems to have the information?
>>
>> Bits and Pieces I can make out:
>> The marriage of Joao da Silva (Vasconcellos) and Domingas de Ávila.
>>
>> Em os quatro diaz de Fevereiro do mil sette centos quarenta e dois.
>>
>> Joao da Sylva filho de Antonio da Sylva e de Maria de VasConCellos.
>>
>> Left margin: P. ? a Joao da Silva ? mes do Junho de 1804
>> P. Qa a ? em 17 de Mais de 1805 quadro ?
>>
>> Right margin: Com Dome de Avila filha de ? Loboa Corria ???
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Bill
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help - Graciosa - Marriage - 1742 - Joao da Sylva filho de Antonio da Sylva e de Maria de VasConCellos

[bsei2816]

Hello Bill

There seems to be a page or scans (13v and 14) missing.  This is casamento 
#50 and the next page has what I assume is the last part of Casamento #52 
before #53 starts.  Looking at the last page of the index (image 115), it 
seems the end  of 50, all of 51, and the beginning of 52 are missing.  The 
bride's name is on the right margin where possibly someone tried to recover 
the lost information.  It is Domingas Avila de Bettencourt and can be 
confirmed on the index at the end of this book.  Her parents names are not 
clear to me but I believe I see Manuel Lobam C?? and Catharina ?

As for Vasconcellos, look at Fran-CisCo (lines 7&8).   I think the large Cs 
are purely stylistic.

Bill Seidler

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 10:42:38 PM UTC-7, want2beunique wrote:

> Some questions about the bottom right record here:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-C-1717-1742/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-C-1717-1742_item1/P107.html
>
> Trying to trace my da Silva de Vasconcellos line in Victoria, Guadalupe, 
> Graciosa.  Questions:
>
>
>1. Is what I have here correct (dates/names)?
>2. What is in the margins (can't make out key words, but looks like 
>two events for Joao)?
>3. I've never seen "VasConCellos" capitalized this way.  Could this be 
>a combination with "Vaz" (as in "Vaz" from "Vaz do Conde Sodre" became 
>combined with "con" and "cellos")?
>4. I can't make out the brides parents?  Seems to stop with the 
>groom's parents, but the right margin seems to have the information?
>
> Bits and Pieces I can make out:
> The marriage of Joao da Silva (Vasconcellos) and Domingas de Ávila.
>
> Em os quatro diaz de Fevereiro do mil sette centos quarenta e dois.
>
> Joao da Sylva filho de Antonio da Sylva e de Maria de VasConCellos.
>
> Left margin: P. ? a Joao da Silva ? mes do Junho de 1804
> P. Qa a ? em 17 de Mais de 1805 quadro ?
>
> Right margin: Com Dome de Avila filha de ? Loboa Corria ???
>
> Thank you!
>
> Bill
>
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help: Pedro Miguel, Faial 1842 Marriage

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Hello Shakti;  What a nice surprise to receive your email.  Antonio Francisco 
Catarino is my 2nd great grandfather.  How are you related?  

I am female, 72 yrs. and currently live in Washington State, USA and Mazatlán, 
MX.  And you?  Do you have a tree posted anywhere that I can try to find our 
connection on?  I am on FTDNA as well as Ancestry.com.

Looking forward to comparing notes,

Sam (Camas, WA)

From: Shakti
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Hi Sam, I see we have the same relatives from Pedro Miguel.  We may be able to 
trace where our families connect.    Sorry, I posted many months after you had 
the question.  



On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 10:30:49 AM UTC-7, Sam Koester wrote:
Anyone who would like to try to help with the name of the groom’s parents and 
the date of the marriage?  It would be much appreciated.
 
Top left one:  Antonio Francisco son of Manoel Francisco ? and ? Fellicia with 
Maria Jacinta daughter of Domingos Luis and Francisca Jacinta
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1780-1855/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1780-1855_item1/P184.html
 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help: Pedro Miguel, Faial 1842 Marriage

[Shakti]

Hi Sam, I see we have the same relatives from Pedro Miguel.  We may be able 
to trace where our families connect.Sorry, I posted many months after 
you had the question.  



On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 10:30:49 AM UTC-7, Sam Koester wrote:
>
> Anyone who would like to try to help with the name of the groom’s parents 
> and the date of the marriage?  It would be much appreciated.
>
>  
>
> Top left one:  Antonio Francisco son of Manoel Francisco ? and ? Fellicia 
> with Maria Jacinta daughter of Domingos Luis and Francisca Jacinta
>
>  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1780-1855/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1780-1855_item1/P184.html
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help back of chapel photo Lajes do Pico

[Sandra Valine Dauer]

thank you

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 1:20 AM, Turlu  wrote:

>
>
> segunda-feira, 24 de Setembro de 2018 às 18:50:15 UTC, Sandra Valine Dauer
> escreveu:
>>
>> Need help with translation for writing on the back of the photo of little
>> chapel S Pedro, Lajes do Pico.
>> Thank you Sandra Valine Dauer
>>
>
> Google translation:
> Our dear little church of St. Peter who has such grateful memories for us.
>
> Cumprimentos,
>
> Miguel Santos
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help back of chapel photo Lajes do Pico

[Turlu]

segunda-feira, 24 de Setembro de 2018 às 18:50:15 UTC, Sandra Valine Dauer 
escreveu:
>
> Need help with translation for writing on the back of the photo of little 
> chapel S Pedro, Lajes do Pico.
> Thank you Sandra Valine Dauer
>

Google translation:
Our dear little church of St. Peter who has such grateful memories for us.

Cumprimentos,

Miguel Santos 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help Ignancia 1819 Lajes do Pico

[Sandra Valine Dauer]

thank you Bill

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 12:07 PM,  wrote:

> Below in red is my attempt.
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 11:22:31 AM UTC-7, Sandra Valine Dauer wrote:
>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/
>> PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1818-1835/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1818-1835_item1/P17.html
>> Baptism (1818-1835) Index 0017 left side 3rd record
>> Ignacia daughter of Francisco Vieira Martins and his wife Maria de Jesus 
>> naturals
>> and parishioners of this Matriz, born 5 Aug 1819  Baptized this Matriz
>> _on 17 of the same month and year.
>> Godparents:  Antonio Silveira Linhares and his sister D. Josepha Luisa,
>> both single, children of Captain-Mor Thome Cardoso Melo? and his wife D.
>> Ignacia this village and Matriz.
>> Thank you Sandra Valine Dauer
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help Ignancia 1819 Lajes do Pico

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Below in red is my attempt.

Bill Seidler

On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 11:22:31 AM UTC-7, Sandra Valine Dauer wrote:

>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1818-1835/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1818-1835_item1/P17.html
> Baptism (1818-1835) Index 0017 left side 3rd record
> Ignacia daughter of Francisco Vieira Martins and his wife Maria de Jesus 
> naturals 
> and parishioners of this Matriz, born 5 Aug 1819  Baptized this Matriz 
> _on 17 of the same month and year.
> Godparents:  Antonio Silveira Linhares and his sister D. Josepha Luisa, 
> both single, children of Captain-Mor Thome Cardoso Melo? and his wife D. 
> Ignacia this village and Matriz.
> Thank you Sandra Valine Dauer
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help: Pedro Miguel, Faial 1842 Marriage

[JR]

On 27th day of September, 1742, in the church of NS da Ajuda, place of 
Pedro Miguel, married Antonio Francisco, son of Manoel Francisco and 
Thereza Felicia, with, Maria Jacinta daughter of Domingos Luis and 
Francisca Jacinta, all are natives of the said freguesia, where the 
newlyweds were baptised and disobligated.

JR

On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 1:30:49 PM UTC-4, Sam Koester wrote:
>
> Anyone who would like to try to help with the name of the groom’s parents 
> and the date of the marriage?  It would be much appreciated.
>
>  
>
> Top left one:  Antonio Francisco son of Manoel Francisco ? and ? Fellicia 
> with Maria Jacinta daughter of Domingos Luis and Francisca Jacinta
>
>  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1780-1855/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1780-1855_item1/P184.html
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help Please -

[Jacki Gentry]

Good Idea, thanks.

On Tuesday, January 30, 2018 at 9:06:16 AM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Jacki,
>
> What I would do to get back into the swing of things (for whatever my 2 
> cents are worth).
>
> I'd take my research to the 1800s. If your immigrant ancestor was born in 
> 1875, I'd go back to 1875 and collect all of his siblings. Then I'd go back 
> to his parents and collect all the parents' siblings. There's no 
> abbreviations in that time period. Then work your way back in time. Since 
> you'll see the word "freguesia" written out 10 times, by the time you go 
> back 100 years, "freg^a" may ring a bell as "freguesia."Cheri
>
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> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help Please -

[Cheri Mello]

Jacki,

What I would do to get back into the swing of things (for whatever my 2
cents are worth).

I'd take my research to the 1800s. If your immigrant ancestor was born in
1875, I'd go back to 1875 and collect all of his siblings. Then I'd go back
to his parents and collect all the parents' siblings. There's no
abbreviations in that time period. Then work your way back in time. Since
you'll see the word "freguesia" written out 10 times, by the time you go
back 100 years, "freg^a" may ring a bell as "freguesia."Cheri

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help Please -

[Jacki Gentry]

Thanks for the second look. I'm glad I'm not the only one who can't read 
some of it. Boy, these are hard to read sometimes. It's gonna take me a 
while to back into the swing of it :)

On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 10:59:59 AM UTC-8, Jacki Gentry wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone, 
>
> It's been a *really *long time since I've posted anything to the group. 
> Life sort of got in the way of researching. :)  I'm trying to get back to 
> it and I've realized that I'm really out of practice reading these. I could 
> only read the basics anyway but after all this time, I'm not doing very 
> well with that either. 
>
> If someone could please be so kind as to translate the basic info from 
> this marriage record, I would truly appreciate the help. The record is for 
> Thome de Medeiros, born 18, Dec 1724 Fajo de Baixo, Sao Miguel and he 
> married Felica Rosa, who if I have the correct record, was born 3 Dec 1761. 
> (37 yrs his junior). I'm hoping this record mentions their parents and 
> especially, their ages at the time so I can confirm that this is correct or 
> not.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-C-1759-1804/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-C-1759-1804_item1/P52.html
>
>
> Cheri, my apologies if I'm not posting this the correct way. As I said, 
> it's been a long time.
>
>
> Cheers
> Jacki Gentry
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help Please -

[Cheri Mello]

I originally answered your from my cell when I had a break between
students, so I couldn't see it all.

The left page clearly says 1761 and the right page says 1762.

Felicia, daughter of Antonio do Rego  native of this? place of  something
(probably the neighborhood), freguesia of Nossa Senhora dos Anjos and of
Maria Francesca  native of Lomba de Maya (Maia) freguesia (can't read) born
on the 18 day of the month of December 1761.  The godfather (padrinho) was
Francisco de Oliveira. No godmother was mentioned. Cheri

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:56 PM, Jacki Gentry 
wrote:

> Thank you Cheri. I appreciate the help.
>
> Jacki
>
> On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 2:51:29 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Born 18 Dec 1761. Old spelling for "one" is "hum" (silent h) instead of
>> "um." Don't know why the header reads 1762. Too much vinho.
>>
>> Dad native of this place. The church is Nossa Senhora dos Anjos. We don't
>> translate the chirches or villages or island. That would be like stating
>> someone is from Holy Faith in America. We just leave it alone.
>>
>> Mom is a native of Lomba da Maia (old spelling of Maya. Use modern
>> spellings).
>> Cheri
>>
>> On Jan 29, 2018 2:36 PM, "Jacki Gentry"  wrote:
>>
>> Good Morning,
>>
>> One more bit of help with Felicia if you wouldn't mind, please. Does this
>> record say that Felica's date of birth is 18 Dec 1761? I thought it did at
>> first but I'm so rusty at reading this old handwriting, now I'm thinking it
>> may say the 8th. It also looks like it says 1762 at the header of the page
>> but it sure looks like the year reads mil sete centos sessenta e um.
>>
>> I'm reading it as: Felica, daughter of Antonio do Rego of ___ parish of
>> Our Lady of the angels and Maria Francesca of the same parish  __  on the
>> 8th or 18th day of the month of December 1761.
>>
>> I can't make out much of anything after the year except there is the
>> mention of Francisco de Oliveria near the bottom
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-
>> FAJADEBAIXO-B-1743-1764/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-B-1743-1764_item1/P171.html
>> (bottom left)
>>
>> Thanks again
>> Jacki
>>
>> On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 10:59:59 AM UTC-8, Jacki Gentry wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> It's been a *really *long time since I've posted anything to the group.
>>> Life sort of got in the way of researching. :)  I'm trying to get back to
>>> it and I've realized that I'm really out of practice reading these. I could
>>> only read the basics anyway but after all this time, I'm not doing very
>>> well with that either.
>>>
>>> If someone could please be so kind as to translate the basic info from
>>> this marriage record, I would truly appreciate the help. The record is for
>>> Thome de Medeiros, born 18, Dec 1724 Fajo de Baixo, Sao Miguel and he
>>> married Felica Rosa, who if I have the correct record, was born 3 Dec 1761.
>>> (37 yrs his junior). I'm hoping this record mentions their parents and
>>> especially, their ages at the time so I can confirm that this is correct or
>>> not.
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-
>>> FAJADEBAIXO-C-1759-1804/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-C-1759-1804_item1/P52.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri, my apologies if I'm not posting this the correct way. As I said,
>>> it's been a long time.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Jacki Gentry
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help Please -

[Jacki Gentry]

Thank you Cheri. I appreciate the help.

Jacki

On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 2:51:29 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Born 18 Dec 1761. Old spelling for "one" is "hum" (silent h) instead of 
> "um." Don't know why the header reads 1762. Too much vinho. 
>
> Dad native of this place. The church is Nossa Senhora dos Anjos. We don't 
> translate the chirches or villages or island. That would be like stating 
> someone is from Holy Faith in America. We just leave it alone.
>
> Mom is a native of Lomba da Maia (old spelling of Maya. Use modern 
> spellings).
> Cheri
>
> On Jan 29, 2018 2:36 PM, "Jacki Gentry"  
> wrote:
>
> Good Morning,
>
> One more bit of help with Felicia if you wouldn't mind, please. Does this 
> record say that Felica's date of birth is 18 Dec 1761? I thought it did at 
> first but I'm so rusty at reading this old handwriting, now I'm thinking it 
> may say the 8th. It also looks like it says 1762 at the header of the page 
> but it sure looks like the year reads mil sete centos sessenta e um. 
>
> I'm reading it as: Felica, daughter of Antonio do Rego of ___ parish of 
> Our Lady of the angels and Maria Francesca of the same parish  __  on the 
> 8th or 18th day of the month of December 1761. 
>
> I can't make out much of anything after the year except there is the 
> mention of Francisco de Oliveria near the bottom
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-B-1743-1764/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-B-1743-1764_item1/P171.html
>   
> (bottom left)
>
> Thanks again
> Jacki
>
> On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 10:59:59 AM UTC-8, Jacki Gentry wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone, 
>>
>> It's been a *really *long time since I've posted anything to the group. 
>> Life sort of got in the way of researching. :)  I'm trying to get back to 
>> it and I've realized that I'm really out of practice reading these. I could 
>> only read the basics anyway but after all this time, I'm not doing very 
>> well with that either. 
>>
>> If someone could please be so kind as to translate the basic info from 
>> this marriage record, I would truly appreciate the help. The record is for 
>> Thome de Medeiros, born 18, Dec 1724 Fajo de Baixo, Sao Miguel and he 
>> married Felica Rosa, who if I have the correct record, was born 3 Dec 1761. 
>> (37 yrs his junior). I'm hoping this record mentions their parents and 
>> especially, their ages at the time so I can confirm that this is correct or 
>> not.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-C-1759-1804/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-C-1759-1804_item1/P52.html
>>
>>
>> Cheri, my apologies if I'm not posting this the correct way. As I said, 
>> it's been a long time.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Jacki Gentry
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help Please -

[Cheri Mello]

Born 18 Dec 1761. Old spelling for "one" is "hum" (silent h) instead of
"um." Don't know why the header reads 1762. Too much vinho.

Dad native of this place. The church is Nossa Senhora dos Anjos. We don't
translate the chirches or villages or island. That would be like stating
someone is from Holy Faith in America. We just leave it alone.

Mom is a native of Lomba da Maia (old spelling of Maya. Use modern
spellings).
Cheri

On Jan 29, 2018 2:36 PM, "Jacki Gentry"  wrote:

Good Morning,

One more bit of help with Felicia if you wouldn't mind, please. Does this
record say that Felica's date of birth is 18 Dec 1761? I thought it did at
first but I'm so rusty at reading this old handwriting, now I'm thinking it
may say the 8th. It also looks like it says 1762 at the header of the page
but it sure looks like the year reads mil sete centos sessenta e um.

I'm reading it as: Felica, daughter of Antonio do Rego of ___ parish of Our
Lady of the angels and Maria Francesca of the same parish  __  on the 8th
or 18th day of the month of December 1761.

I can't make out much of anything after the year except there is the
mention of Francisco de Oliveria near the bottom

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
PD-FAJADEBAIXO-B-1743-1764/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-B-1743-1764_item1/P171.html
(bottom left)

Thanks again
Jacki

On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 10:59:59 AM UTC-8, Jacki Gentry wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> It's been a *really *long time since I've posted anything to the group.
> Life sort of got in the way of researching. :)  I'm trying to get back to
> it and I've realized that I'm really out of practice reading these. I could
> only read the basics anyway but after all this time, I'm not doing very
> well with that either.
>
> If someone could please be so kind as to translate the basic info from
> this marriage record, I would truly appreciate the help. The record is for
> Thome de Medeiros, born 18, Dec 1724 Fajo de Baixo, Sao Miguel and he
> married Felica Rosa, who if I have the correct record, was born 3 Dec 1761.
> (37 yrs his junior). I'm hoping this record mentions their parents and
> especially, their ages at the time so I can confirm that this is correct or
> not.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-
> FAJADEBAIXO-C-1759-1804/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-C-1759-1804_item1/P52.html
>
>
> Cheri, my apologies if I'm not posting this the correct way. As I said,
> it's been a long time.
>
>
> Cheers
> Jacki Gentry
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help Please -

[Jacki Gentry]

Good Morning,

One more bit of help with Felicia if you wouldn't mind, please. Does this 
record say that Felica's date of birth is 18 Dec 1761? I thought it did at 
first but I'm so rusty at reading this old handwriting, now I'm thinking it 
may say the 8th. It also looks like it says 1762 at the header of the page 
but it sure looks like the year reads mil sete centos sessenta e um. 

I'm reading it as: Felica, daughter of Antonio do Rego of ___ parish of Our 
Lady of the angels and Maria Francesca of the same parish  __  on the 8th 
or 18th day of the month of December 1761. 

I can't make out much of anything after the year except there is the 
mention of Francisco de Oliveria near the bottom

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-B-1743-1764/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-B-1743-1764_item1/P171.html
  
(bottom left)

Thanks again
Jacki

On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 10:59:59 AM UTC-8, Jacki Gentry wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone, 
>
> It's been a *really *long time since I've posted anything to the group. 
> Life sort of got in the way of researching. :)  I'm trying to get back to 
> it and I've realized that I'm really out of practice reading these. I could 
> only read the basics anyway but after all this time, I'm not doing very 
> well with that either. 
>
> If someone could please be so kind as to translate the basic info from 
> this marriage record, I would truly appreciate the help. The record is for 
> Thome de Medeiros, born 18, Dec 1724 Fajo de Baixo, Sao Miguel and he 
> married Felica Rosa, who if I have the correct record, was born 3 Dec 1761. 
> (37 yrs his junior). I'm hoping this record mentions their parents and 
> especially, their ages at the time so I can confirm that this is correct or 
> not.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-C-1759-1804/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-C-1759-1804_item1/P52.html
>
>
> Cheri, my apologies if I'm not posting this the correct way. As I said, 
> it's been a long time.
>
>
> Cheers
> Jacki Gentry
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help Please -

[Jacki Gentry]

JR and Altino, thank you so much 

The family members named, match the birth records I've found for both Thom 
and Felicia. I was actually hoping this marriage record would mention their 
ages and prove I had the wrong birth record for Felicia because I'm just 
having a hard time accepting an age difference so big. According to my 
birth records for them, he would have been 56 (born 18 Dec 1724) to her 19 
(born 18 Dec 1761) when they married 3 Dec 1781. Unfortunately, I'm now 
virtually certain I have the correct record. I get it, older men who wanted 
to have families would have to find a wife young enough to bear children 
but 37 years?yuk. The fact that his parents were both deceased makes 
sense though.  

*Altino*, thank you too for looking up the additional info. I'm not 
familiar with Canto's index but your info does match the records I've found 
at culturacores.azores.gov.pt

I will definitely be looking up the additional info you both posted as well.

Again, thank you both for taking the time to look all that up.

Jacki


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>
> Hi Everyone, 
>
> It's been a *really *long time since I've posted anything to the group. 
> Life sort of got in the way of researching. :)  I'm trying to get back to 
> it and I've realized that I'm really out of practice reading these. I could 
> only read the basics anyway but after all this time, I'm not doing very 
> well with that either. 
>
> If someone could please be so kind as to translate the basic info from 
> this marriage record, I would truly appreciate the help. The record is for 
> Thome de Medeiros, born 18, Dec 1724 Fajo de Baixo, Sao Miguel and he 
> married Felica Rosa, who if I have the correct record, was born 3 Dec 1761. 
> (37 yrs his junior). I'm hoping this record mentions their parents and 
> especially, their ages at the time so I can confirm that this is correct or 
> not.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-C-1759-1804/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-C-1759-1804_item1/P52.html
>
>
> Cheri, my apologies if I'm not posting this the correct way. As I said, 
> it's been a long time.
>
>
> Cheers
> Jacki Gentry
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help Please -

[JR]

Dec 3- 1781, Faja de Baixo, Thome de Medeiros, filho de Manoel Fernandes 
and Sebastianna da Rocha, ja defuntos com Felicia Roza, filha de Antonio do 
Rego and Maria Francisca ambos naturaes freguesia desta parochial.

Dec 3- 1781, Faja de Baixo, Thome de Medeiros, son of Manoel Fernandes and 
Sebastianna da Rocha, both deceased with Felicia Roza, daughter of Antonio 
do Rego and Maria Francisca both natives of freguesia of this parish.

There is no more info, and the side notes relates to names of priest the 
were left out and that blessings were received.

JR

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> Hi Everyone, 
>
> It's been a *really *long time since I've posted anything to the group. 
> Life sort of got in the way of researching. :)  I'm trying to get back to 
> it and I've realized that I'm really out of practice reading these. I could 
> only read the basics anyway but after all this time, I'm not doing very 
> well with that either. 
>
> If someone could please be so kind as to translate the basic info from 
> this marriage record, I would truly appreciate the help. The record is for 
> Thome de Medeiros, born 18, Dec 1724 Fajo de Baixo, Sao Miguel and he 
> married Felica Rosa, who if I have the correct record, was born 3 Dec 1761. 
> (37 yrs his junior). I'm hoping this record mentions their parents and 
> especially, their ages at the time so I can confirm that this is correct or 
> not.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-C-1759-1804/SMG-PD-FAJADEBAIXO-C-1759-1804_item1/P52.html
>
>
> Cheri, my apologies if I'm not posting this the correct way. As I said, 
> it's been a long time.
>
>
> Cheers
> Jacki Gentry
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help Pedro Miguel, Faial, Catarino

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

JR;  Thanks you!  I very much appreciate the help.  

Sam (Camas, WA)

From: JR
Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2017 9:54 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help Pedro Miguel, Faial, Catarino

Ignacio Pereira (Per.a)

On Saturday, November 4, 2017 at 10:23:14 PM UTC-4, Sam Koester wrote:
Hi all;  I’ve found the marriage of my 3rd great grandparents but; can’t quite 
make out the names of the bride’s parents.  Bottom right, Jose Francisco 
(Catarino) marriage to Francisca Luisa Mariana.  His parents are: Antonio 
Francisco (Catarino) and Maria Francisca.  I see her parents as: Ignacio ??? 
and Maria Francisca.  
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1780-1855/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1780-1855_item1/P133.html
 
Thanks in advance for any help you can give me on this one.
 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help Pedro Miguel, Faial, Catarino

[JR]

Ignacio Pereira (Per.a)

On Saturday, November 4, 2017 at 10:23:14 PM UTC-4, Sam Koester wrote:
>
> Hi all;  I’ve found the marriage of my 3rd great grandparents but; can’t 
> quite make out the names of the bride’s parents.  Bottom right, Jose 
> Francisco (Catarino) marriage to Francisca Luisa Mariana.  His parents are: 
> Antonio Francisco (Catarino) and Maria Francisca.  I see her parents as: 
> Ignacio ??? and Maria Francisca.  
>
>  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1780-1855/FAL-HT-PEDROMIGUEL-C-1780-1855_item1/P133.html
>
>  
>
> Thanks in advance for any help you can give me on this one.
>
>  
>
> Sam (Camas, WA)
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help please (San Jorge)

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Thanks JR, that is helpful. 

Sam (Camas, WA)

From: JR
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 11:55 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help please (San Jorge)

The name is Noronha. It has noble heritage from Madeira. Now I know the short 
form looks like Mai (Mae=mother), but it is meant to be [Mur.] I have seen this 
many times, it stands for mulher. So, Joze Augusto Homem de Noronha e sua 
mulher Dona Maria Jozepha da Silveira... Of course the spellings differ from 
era to era; and sometimes from priest to priest!

JR

On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 2:08:18 PM UTC-4, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
Hi Linda;  Thanks for this, it does help.  That double Mai Mai threw me.  Guess 
the priest was having a senior moment.  The surname Noroha is a new one for me. 
 It’ll be interesting to see if I come across it again.  His wife is in my tree 
though.
 
Thanks again.  Your help is much appreciated.
 
Sam (Camas, WA)
 
From: linda
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 9:49 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help please (San Jorge)
 
Hi Sam,

I see:

"...foram Pa
drinhos Jose Augusto Homem de
Noronha [Sua/Seca?] Mai Mai Dona
Maria Josefa da Silv.ra..."

If I recall rightly, I've seen "mai" instead of "mae" for "mother. I don't see 
an "e" for "and", but I expect the priest most likely meant to write "... e sua 
Mae..."   (...or maybe he meant "Mai Mai" for "mommy"... ;)

hope that helps,

:)

Linda
On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 7:23:54 PM UTC-7, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
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Marianne, middle one on the right hand page
 
I’ve got the important stuff but; do I have the padrinhos names correct.  Jose 
Augusto Homen de ?? and his mai? mai?  Dona Maria Josefa da Silveria ???
 
As always, your help is much appreciated,
Sam (Camas, WA)
 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help please (San Jorge)

[JR]

The name is Noronha. It has noble heritage from Madeira. Now I know the 
short form looks like Mai (Mae=mother), but it is meant to be [Mur.] I have 
seen this many times, it stands for mulher. So, Joze Augusto Homem de 
Noronha e sua mulher Dona Maria Jozepha da Silveira... Of course the 
spellings differ from era to era; and sometimes from priest to priest!

JR

On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 2:08:18 PM UTC-4, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
>
> Hi Linda;  Thanks for this, it does help.  That double Mai Mai threw me.  
> Guess the priest was having a senior moment.  The surname Noroha is a new 
> one for me.  It’ll be interesting to see if I come across it again.  His 
> wife is in my tree though.
>
>  
>
> Thanks again.  Your help is much appreciated.
>
>  
>
> Sam (Camas, WA)
>
>  
>
> *From: *linda 
> *Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 9:49 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help please (San Jorge)
>
>  
>
> Hi Sam,
>
> I see:
>
> "...foram Pa
> drinhos Jose Augusto Homem de
> Noronha [Sua/Seca?] Mai Mai Dona
> Maria Josefa da Silv.ra..."
>
> If I recall rightly, I've seen "mai" instead of "mae" for "mother. I don't 
> see an "e" for "and", but I expect the priest most likely meant to write 
> "... e sua Mae..."   (...or maybe he meant "Mai Mai" for "mommy"... ;)
>
> hope that helps,
>
> :)
>
> Linda
> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 7:23:54 PM UTC-7, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1854-1860/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1854-1860_item1/P55.html
>
>  
>
> Marianne, middle one on the right hand page
>
>  
>
> I’ve got the important stuff but; do I have the padrinhos names correct.  
> Jose Augusto Homen de ?? and his mai? mai?  Dona Maria Josefa da Silveria 
> ???
>
>  
>
> As always, your help is much appreciated,
>
> Sam (Camas, WA)
>
>  
>
>  
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help please (San Jorge)

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Linda;  Thanks for this, it does help.  That double Mai Mai threw me.  Guess 
the priest was having a senior moment.  The surname Noroha is a new one for me. 
 It’ll be interesting to see if I come across it again.  His wife is in my tree 
though.

Thanks again.  Your help is much appreciated.

Sam (Camas, WA)

From: linda
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 9:49 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help please (San Jorge)

Hi Sam,

I see:

"...foram Pa
drinhos Jose Augusto Homem de
Noronha [Sua/Seca?] Mai Mai Dona
Maria Josefa da Silv.ra..."

If I recall rightly, I've seen "mai" instead of "mae" for "mother. I don't see 
an "e" for "and", but I expect the priest most likely meant to write "... e sua 
Mae..."   (...or maybe he meant "Mai Mai" for "mommy"... ;)

hope that helps,

:)

Linda
On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 7:23:54 PM UTC-7, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1854-1860/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1854-1860_item1/P55.html
 
Marianne, middle one on the right hand page
 
I’ve got the important stuff but; do I have the padrinhos names correct.  Jose 
Augusto Homen de ?? and his mai? mai?  Dona Maria Josefa da Silveria ???
 
As always, your help is much appreciated,
Sam (Camas, WA)
 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help please (San Jorge)

[linda]

Hi Sam,

I see:

"...foram Pa
drinhos Jose Augusto Homem de
Noronha [Sua/Seca?] Mai Mai Dona
Maria Josefa da Silv.ra..."

If I recall rightly, I've seen "mai" instead of "mae" for "mother. I don't 
see an "e" for "and", but I expect the priest most likely meant to write 
"... e sua Mae..."   (...or maybe he meant "Mai Mai" for "mommy"... ;)

hope that helps,

:)

Linda
On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 7:23:54 PM UTC-7, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1854-1860/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1854-1860_item1/P55.html
>
>  
>
> Marianne, middle one on the right hand page
>
>  
>
> I’ve got the important stuff but; do I have the padrinhos names correct.  
> Jose Augusto Homen de ?? and his mai? mai?  Dona Maria Josefa da Silveria 
> ???
>
>  
>
> As always, your help is much appreciated,
>
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>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help Baptismal Maia 1753

[IslandRoutes]

JR and Margaret,
Thanks so much for the help!  I have gotten better an translating but this 
one was a challenge.

I can see where I got confused on the godparents.  Abbreviated 
names...G!

Thanks,
Mel

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 3:10:35 PM UTC-7, IslandRoutes wrote:
>
> I finally found my ancestor, Antonio Moniz's baptismal record, in 1753, 
> Maia.  Unfortunately, it's so faded that it's hard to make out.
>
> Would someone give it a once over to see if I've got it right?  I'd 
> appreciate it.  It's image 0040, the one in the upper left hand corner.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-MAIA-B-1751-1762/SMG-RG-MAIA-B-1751-1762_item1/P40.html
>
> This is what I came up with::
> Antonio, son of Joze Muniz and Maria Benevides of Maia
> born 23 Feb 1753; baptized 26 Feb 1753
>
> The godparents are really sketchy:  Andre(?) da Costa son of _ 
> Costa Souza and Margarida da Souza, daughter of Manoel Moniz
>
> Thanks for the help!
> Mel
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help Baptismal Maia 1753

[JR]

Antonio, filho de Joze Moniz e Maria de Benevides nats. desta paroquia DES, 
Maia, nasceu Feb 23- 1753, bap- Feb 27(?), 1753, Pad- Ant.o da Costa filho 
familias de Ant.o de Souza Pacheco e Margarida de Souza filha familias de 
Manoel Muniz e [P]eyreira sic and spouse not recorded.

JR

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 6:10:35 PM UTC-4, IslandRoutes wrote:
>
> I finally found my ancestor, Antonio Moniz's baptismal record, in 1753, 
> Maia.  Unfortunately, it's so faded that it's hard to make out.
>
> Would someone give it a once over to see if I've got it right?  I'd 
> appreciate it.  It's image 0040, the one in the upper left hand corner.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-MAIA-B-1751-1762/SMG-RG-MAIA-B-1751-1762_item1/P40.html
>
> This is what I came up with::
> Antonio, son of Joze Muniz and Maria Benevides of Maia
> born 23 Feb 1753; baptized 26 Feb 1753
>
> The godparents are really sketchy:  Andre(?) da Costa son of _ 
> Costa Souza and Margarida da Souza, daughter of Manoel Moniz
>
> Thanks for the help!
> Mel
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help: Baptism, Santa Barbara,Santa Maria

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Linda;  Thanks for your help.  I’m not connecting with distant cousins who went 
to Bermuda.  Exciting!

Thanks again,
Sam (Camas, WA)

From: linda
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 6:25 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help: Baptism, Santa Barbara,Santa 
Maria


Hi Sam,

This is what I see, with highlighting where my interpretation differs from 
yours:


Bernardo filho de Ignacio Joze de Bairos
e de Sua mulher Francisca Roza napturais
desta Parochial, e moradores nas Feiteiras ter-
mo dela, nepto paterno da Capitam Joze
Manoel de Bairos natural da Matrix de
NoSa Senhora de ASumpcam desta Ilha e de
Sua mulher Roza Maria de Santa Barbara
moradores no norte e natural desta Parochial, e
pelo parte marterna nepto de Manoel de Jesus
e de Sua primeira mulher EsperanSa do ci-
mento moradores na Ribeira de Amaro e naturais
desta Sobredita Freguezia, nasceo emos des---
as do mes de Fevereiro deste anno de mil Sete Centos
digo deste anno de mil e outo cento(s?) e hum, Foi Ba
tizado nesa Parochial de Seos pais em quinze
do dito mis e anno por mim Joze Ant. do Rego
Cura da dita ParoChial, Foi Padrinho Bernar-
do Joze de Bairos Filho Familias de Capitam Jo-
ze Manoel de Bairos e madrinha Roza JaCinta
Filha de Joze IgnaCio Puim e de Sua mulher
Roza Maria, testemunhos Fran.co de moura
Joze IgnaCio Puim cazados e moradores nas
Feteiras qu--- aSignaram--

Perhaps "Filho Familias" is better translated as "dependent youth" than "son 
of".

hope that helps,

:)

Linda



On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 5:32:14 PM UTC-7, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1784-1801/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1784-1801_item1/P110.html
 
 
Right hand page.   Does anyone have the time to look over my translation to 
tell me if I have the gist of it correct and perhaps fill in my question marks.
 
Bernardo son of Ignacio Joze de Barrios and of his woman/wife Francisca Roza, 
natives of this parochial and residents of Feterias ?? , paternal grandson of 
Captain Jose Manoel de Barios, native of the matriz of Our Lady of Asumpion of 
this village and of his woman/wife, Roza Maria de Santos da Sousa, residents 
??? natives of this parochial and by the maternal part, grandson of Manoel de 
Jesus and of this first woman/wife, Esperanza do ?? (Sacramento?) can't make 
out the next line or so; born 10th day of this month of February of this year 
of 1700, I mean to say, this year of 1801, baptized in this parochial of ?? the 
15th of the same month and year by me, Joze Antonio do Rego ??? parochial. For 
godfather, Bernardo Joze de Bairos, son of the family of Captain Joze Manoel de 
Bairos and godmother, Roza Jacinta, daughter of Joze Ignacio Puim and of his 
woman/wife, Roza Maria, witnesses were Francisco de Moura and Joze Ignacio 
Puim, married, residents of Feterias, who with me signed day, month and year 
above.
Cura Joze Antonio de Rego

Francisco de Moura (with mark)
Joze Ignacio de Puim (with mark)
 
 
As always your help is truly appreciated,
Sam (Camas, WA)
 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help: Baptism, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria

[linda]

Hi Sam,

This is what I see, with highlighting where my interpretation differs from 
yours:


Bernardo filho de Ignacio Joze de Bairos
e de Sua mulher Francisca Roza napturais
desta Parochial, e moradores nas Feiteiras ter-
mo dela, nepto paterno da Capitam Joze
Manoel de Bairos natural da Matrix de
NoSa Senhora de ASumpcam desta Ilha e de
Sua mulher Roza Maria de Santa Barbara
moradores no norte e natural desta Parochial, e
pelo parte marterna nepto de Manoel de Jesus
e de Sua primeira mulher EsperanSa do ci-
mento moradores na Ribeira de Amaro e naturais
desta Sobredita Freguezia, nasceo emos des---
as do mes de Fevereiro deste anno de mil Sete Centos
digo deste anno de mil e outo cento(s?) e hum, Foi Ba
tizado nesa Parochial de Seos pais em quinze
do dito mis e anno por mim Joze Ant. do Rego
Cura da dita ParoChial, Foi Padrinho Bernar-
do Joze de Bairos Filho Familias de Capitam Jo-
ze Manoel de Bairos e madrinha Roza JaCinta
Filha de Joze IgnaCio Puim e de Sua mulher
Roza Maria, testemunhos Fran.co de moura
Joze IgnaCio Puim cazados e moradores nas
Feteiras qu--- aSignaram--

Perhaps "Filho Familias" is better translated as "dependent youth" than 
"son of".

hope that helps,

:)

Linda



On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 5:32:14 PM UTC-7, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1784-1801/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1784-1801_item1/P110.html
>  
> 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Right hand page.   Does anyone have the time to look over my translation 
> to tell me if I have the gist of it correct and perhaps fill in my question 
> marks.
>
>  
>
> Bernardo son of Ignacio Joze de Barrios and of his woman/wife Francisca 
> Roza, natives of this parochial and residents of Feterias ?? , paternal 
> grandson of Captain Jose Manoel de Barios, native of the matriz of Our Lady 
> of Asumpion of this village and of his woman/wife, Roza Maria de Santos da 
> Sousa, residents ??? natives of this parochial and by the maternal part, 
> grandson of Manoel de Jesus and of this first woman/wife, Esperanza do ?? 
> (Sacramento?) *can't make out the next line or so*; born 10th day of this 
> month of February of this year of 1700, I mean to say, this year of 1801, 
> baptized in this parochial of ?? the 15th of the same month and year by me, 
> Joze Antonio do Rego ??? parochial. For godfather, Bernardo Joze de Bairos, 
> son of the family of Captain Joze Manoel de Bairos and godmother, Roza 
> Jacinta, daughter of Joze Ignacio Puim and of his woman/wife, Roza Maria, 
> witnesses were Francisco de Moura and Joze Ignacio Puim, married, residents 
> of Feterias, who with me signed day, month and year above.
>
> Cura Joze Antonio de Rego
>
> 
>
> Francisco de Moura (with mark)
>
> Joze Ignacio de Puim (with mark)
>
>  
>
>  
>
> As always your help is truly appreciated,
>
> Sam (Camas, WA)
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help - Manuel d’Oliveira birth 1814 Lagoa

[Joanne Mercier]

Bill,
Since I work in the Catholic Church I am very familiar with the terms and
how they are entered these days so I had a feeling that was what I had in
this record. He must have been really sick if he was anointed as well so I
will go and take a look at the Death Register around the same time to see
if he made it or not. Thanks for your help!

Joanne


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wrote:

Hi Joanne,

The handwriting on this is very nice so can make out enough to confirm what
you wrote--he was baptized at home by the midwife (parteira) Felicia de
Andrade because of being born weak (por nascer fraca).  This would have
been upon birth, 21 Sep 1814.  I can't make out all the verbiage from the
subsequent baptism other than Holy Oils  because I am unfamiliar with the
terms, but it was done by the Vigario of the parochial church (Rosario) on
29 Sep.

Perhaps a native speaker can be more specific or correct any mistakes.

Bill
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help - Manuel d’Oliveira birth 1814 Lagoa

[bsei2816]

Hi Joanne,

The handwriting on this is very nice so can make out enough to confirm what 
you wrote--he was baptized at home by the midwife (parteira) Felicia de 
Andrade because of being born weak (por nascer fraca).  This would have 
been upon birth, 21 Sep 1814.  I can't make out all the verbiage from the 
subsequent baptism other than Holy Oils  because I am unfamiliar with the 
terms, but it was done by the Vigario of the parochial church (Rosario) on 
29 Sep.

Perhaps a native speaker can be more specific or correct any mistakes.

Bill

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help - Manuel (Luiz) de Costa Baptism 1836 Lagoa

[Joanne Mercier]

Thanks Margaret and Linda - there is so much knowledge on this list ready
to be shared with all! I’ve learned so much by watching and asking and I
hope I’ve been able to give a little help in return.

I wonder if I’ll discover that some of you are my cousins? That would be a
blessing indeed!

On July 16, 2017 at 12:24:56 PM, linda (menesesli...@gmail.com) wrote:

> Thanks Margaret!  I really appreciate the knowledge you share so
> generously.
>
> Joanne: regarding the date, I believe that it's best to add a qualifier
> ("circa", "about", "probably"-- or similar) to the date so that it's
> readily apparent that it's not a recorded fact.  I would also add a note
> mentioning the absence of the date on the record and the reason for
> selecting the date you used.
>
> hope that helps,
>
> :)
>
> Linda
>
> On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 7:51:01 AM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bill, I would say no, not the same as Jose's for the obvious reason of
>> it being recorded after the one with the missing date.  Were Jose's the
>> first record followed by the one above it without date, then you would say
>> the 30th.
>>
>> Bad habits were hard to break. Heavy fines were handed out.  Some priests
>> did margin corrections others didn't.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 9:49 AM, bsei...@gmail.com  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thank you Margaret.  It is good to know that if a date is not specified
>> it was likely recorded the same day as the previous record.  That hadn't
>> occurred to me.
>>
>> In this case, wouldn't it be 30 Jan since that is the date of Jose's
>> baptism recorded on the same page?  (end of line 7: "...aos trin-ta do
>> ditto mes e anno")
>>
>> Bill
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help - Manuel (Luiz) de Costa Baptism 1836 Lagoa

[linda]

Thanks Margaret!  I really appreciate the knowledge you share so generously.

Joanne: regarding the date, I believe that it's best to add a qualifier 
("circa", "about", "probably"-- or similar) to the date so that it's 
readily apparent that it's not a recorded fact.  I would also add a note 
mentioning the absence of the date on the record and the reason for 
selecting the date you used.

hope that helps,

:)

Linda

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 7:51:01 AM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
> Hi Bill, I would say no, not the same as Jose's for the obvious reason of 
> it being recorded after the one with the missing date.  Were Jose's the 
> first record followed by the one above it without date, then you would say 
> the 30th. 
>
> Bad habits were hard to break. Heavy fines were handed out.  Some priests 
> did margin corrections others didn't.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 16, 2017, at 9:49 AM, bsei...@gmail.com  wrote:
>
>
> Thank you Margaret.  It is good to know that if a date is not specified it 
> was likely recorded the same day as the previous record.  That hadn't 
> occurred to me.
>
> In this case, wouldn't it be 30 Jan since that is the date of Jose's 
> baptism recorded on the same page?  (end of line 7: "...aos trin-ta do 
> ditto mes e anno")
>
> Bill
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help - Manuel (Luiz) de Costa Baptism 1836 Lagoa

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Bill, I would say no, not the same as Jose's for the obvious reason of it 
being recorded after the one with the missing date.  Were Jose's the first 
record followed by the one above it without date, then you would say the 30th. 

Bad habits were hard to break. Heavy fines were handed out.  Some priests did 
margin corrections others didn't.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 16, 2017, at 9:49 AM, bsei2...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Thank you Margaret.  It is good to know that if a date is not specified it 
> was likely recorded the same day as the previous record.  That hadn't 
> occurred to me.
> 
> In this case, wouldn't it be 30 Jan since that is the date of Jose's baptism 
> recorded on the same page?  (end of line 7: "...aos trin-ta do ditto mes e 
> anno")
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help - Manuel (Luiz) de Costa Baptism 1836 Lagoa

[bsei2816]

Thank you Margaret.  It is good to know that if a date is not specified it 
was likely recorded the same day as the previous record.  That hadn't 
occurred to me.

In this case, wouldn't it be 30 Jan since that is the date of Jose's 
baptism recorded on the same page?  (end of line 7: "...aos trin-ta do 
ditto mes e anno")

Bill

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help - Manuel (Luiz) de Costa Baptism 1836 Lagoa

[Margaret Vicente]

Hello Joanne, Linda and Bill.

Some Priests did things in their way, the babies on this page were baptized in 
the same day as the record prior, the 29th.

Margaret

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 16, 2017, at 8:04 AM, Joanne Mercier  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Linda & Bill! I now see that the “s” is really a “d” with a very short 
> stem. Love the handwriting on some of these priests.
> 
> I might want to guess either 30 or 31 January for the baptism date because I 
> thought I was seeing “trinta” in the words before the acknowledgment that 
> both sets of grandparents were present. I’m not sure how to record this in my 
> computer file - leave the date out and write both in the comments or choose 
> one and say “close enough?” 
> 
> Things that keep us genealogists on our toes… ;) 
> Thanks again! 
> Joanne
> 
> 
>> On July 16, 2017 at 12:06:42 AM, bsei2...@gmail.com (bsei2...@gmail.com) 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Shorten that window to between 30 Jan 1832, the date of the previous 
>>> baptism to 2 Feb 1832 when the next baptism occurred.
>> 
>> Bill Seidler 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help - Manuel (Luiz) de Costa Baptism 1836 Lagoa

[Joanne Mercier]

Thanks Linda & Bill! I now see that the “s” is really a “d” with a very
short stem. Love the handwriting on some of these priests.

I might want to guess either 30 or 31 January for the baptism date because
I thought I was seeing “trinta” in the words before the acknowledgment that
both sets of grandparents were present. I’m not sure how to record this in
my computer file - leave the date out and write both in the comments or
choose one and say “close enough?”

Things that keep us genealogists on our toes… ;)
Thanks again!
Joanne


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Shorten that window to between 30 Jan 1832, the date of the previous
> baptism to 2 Feb 1832 when the next baptism occurred.
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help - Manuel (Luiz) de Costa Baptism 1836 Lagoa

[bsei2816]

>
> Shorten that window to between 30 Jan 1832, the date of the previous 
> baptism to 2 Feb 1832 when the next baptism occurred.
>

Bill Seidler 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help - Manuel (Luiz) de Costa Baptism 1836 Lagoa

[bsei2816]

Joanne,

I've looked this over several times and believe the baptism date was left 
off.  It does say baptized in the parish of his parents, as well as his 
paternal and maternal grandparents so you know everyone is from this same 
parish.  It also says the maternal grandfather, Manuel Pires, is the 
godfather.  The birthdate is 22 Jan 1832 (I see 1832 not 1836) so it can't 
be before that.  The next baptism was on 2 Feb 1832 so that gives a 10-day 
window.

There is something odd about this book in that the last records are from 
1832 even though it covers up to 1836.  The pages are out of order.  Image 
2 that one would expect is from 1829 is dated 1834 and is marked as page 
 178

Bill Seidler

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help - Manuel (Luiz) de Costa Baptism 1836 Lagoa

[linda]

Hi Joanne,

I don't see a separate date for the baptism.  As I read it, the record says 
Manuel was "born on the 22nd of January 1832 and was baptised in this his 
parent's Parish, the church of Senhora do Rozarios where [his parents] are 
natives just as his paternal and maternal grandparents [are natives]".  It 
then names the godparents and witnesses.

hope that helps,

:)

Linda


On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 7:42:07 PM UTC-7, Joanne wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1829-1836/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1829-1836_item1/P462.html
>
> I can find everything I need except the date of baptism which seems to be 
> obscured by ink bleeding from the other side of the page. If someone else’s 
> eyes can make it out I’d really appreciate it. 
>
> After reading (or not reading) all these sacramental registry entries I am 
> becoming more careful when I have to write in a Baptism or Confirmation at 
> my day job. I wouldn’t want someone’s descendent cursing me out in 50 years 
> or so!
>
> Thanks!
> Joanne Grota Mercier
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help: Margin notes on Marriage of Manuel (Luiz) de Costa and Maria do Carmo 1856 Lagoa

[Joanne Mercier]

JR,
the marriage is of *Manuel Luiz *(as he is known is subsequent documents
and the only family name I knew of until I started researching), son of
Luis de Costa Caixihno  and Umbelina Thomazina de Jesus (de Costa
Pires) to *Maria
do Carmo* (Martins / dosSantos) on *4 February 1856 at Nossa Senhora do
Rosario in Lagoa*. The desendents in my family go by Luiz so finding the de
Costa surname was surprising but it appears to clear up a lot. Any info is
greatly appreciated.

Joanne


On July 7, 2017 at 12:56:51 AM, JR (jmro...@gmail.com) wrote:

I think I have some of these names form when I helped someone. Who are the
ancestors, your great grandparents and the dates, I don't want to go on
wild goose chase. Or you can email me privately.

JR

On Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 9:15:45 PM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> LG-ROSARIO-C-1853-1860/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1853-1860_item1/P77.html
>
> I was finally able to find the documentation on my great great
> grandparents marriage but there are two margin notes that I’m having
> difficulty reading. The upper is dated 31 March 1862 and the lower is 1864
> - everything else is blurry to me. If anyone can help me decipher this
> hard-to-read handwriting I’d really appreciate it.
>
> Thanks!
> Joanne Grota Mercier
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help: Margin notes on Marriage of Manuel (Luiz) de Costa and Maria do Carmo 1856 Lagoa

[JR]

I think I have some of these names form when I helped someone. Who are the 
ancestors, your great grandparents and the dates, I don't want to go on 
wild goose chase. Or you can email me privately.

JR

On Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 9:15:45 PM UTC-4, Joanne wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1853-1860/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1853-1860_item1/P77.html
>
> I was finally able to find the documentation on my great great 
> grandparents marriage but there are two margin notes that I’m having 
> difficulty reading. The upper is dated 31 March 1862 and the lower is 1864 
> - everything else is blurry to me. If anyone can help me decipher this 
> hard-to-read handwriting I’d really appreciate it. 
>
> Thanks!
> Joanne Grota Mercier
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help: Maria de Lima Baptism 1789 Capelas

[mances]

Current spelling:
"Passei certidão deste assento a Simão de Sousa a 10 de setembro de 1809 - 
Cura Meireles"

Manoel

Em terça-feira, 24 de janeiro de 2017 23:27:26 UTC-2, Joanne escreveu:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1788-1802/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1788-1802_item1/P14.html
>
> Looking for help with what is written in the margin - it looks like it 
> could be her wedding to Simão de Souza but I’ve found that register entry 
> and the date doesn’t look like it would match. Also, these entries don’t 
> seem to contain the grandparents’ info - is that correct? Finally, is that 
> a title before the father’s first name or another name I’ve never seen 
> before? 
>
> Thanks in advance for the help! (as usual)
> Joanne Grota Mercier
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help - Apollina Augusta de Jesus birth & baptism Rabo de Peixe

[Joanne Mercier]

Thank you, JR. I always love to discover the occupations of my ancestors.
Joanne


On January 21, 2017 at 11:23:48 PM, JR (jmro...@gmail.com) wrote:

Official de pedreiro, is a stone mason or bricklayer. They had guilds, so
shoemakers, stonemasons, blacksmiths and others were sometimes referred to
as officials, which would mean they were recognized as trades people by
heir guilds.

JR

On Saturday, January 21, 2017 at 8:25:20 PM UTC-5, Joanne wrote:
>
> Manoel,
> I found her but there seems to be a title or occupation listed after her
> father’s name - any chance you can translate that for me as well?
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PD-CAPELAS-B-1847-1851/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1847-1851_item1/P196.html
>
> Thanks!
> Joanne
>
>
> On January 21, 2017 at 7:14:44 PM, Joanne Mercier (musicma...@gmail.com)
> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Manoel! Now to check out those baptisms… :)
>
> Joanne
>
>
> On January 21, 2017 at 6:48:59 PM, mances (man...@gmail.com) wrote:
>
> Joanne,
>
> Francisca Candida de Lima is from Capelas.
>
> Manoel
>
> Em sábado, 21 de janeiro de 2017 20:19:09 UTC-2, Joanne escreveu:
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
>> RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1870-1879/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1870-1879_item1/P118.html
>>
>> This is the marriage entry of my great grandparents Manoel Martins de
>> Gouveia and Apollina Augusta de Jesus, daughter of Jose Pacheco de Faria
>> and Francesca Candida (de Souza). What I am trying to determine is where
>> Apollina (or Apolinaria as she is referred to in other documentation I
>> have) was born. I have combed the Rabo de Peixe baptisms from 1846 to 1860
>> and can’t find her so I’m thinking she may have been born and baptized
>> nearby. I can’t read the writing and can’t seem to make it darker on my end
>> so if someone can give it a go I’d appreciate the help. Since I just got
>> the results of my mtDNA back I’m really working on tracking down my
>> material lines.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for the help!
>> Joanne Grota Mercier
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help - Apollina Augusta de Jesus birth & baptism Rabo de Peixe

[JR]

Official de pedreiro, is a stone mason or bricklayer. They had guilds, so 
shoemakers, stonemasons, blacksmiths and others were sometimes referred to 
as officials, which would mean they were recognized as trades people by 
heir guilds.

JR

On Saturday, January 21, 2017 at 8:25:20 PM UTC-5, Joanne wrote:
>
> Manoel,
> I found her but there seems to be a title or occupation listed after her 
> father’s name - any chance you can translate that for me as well?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1847-1851/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1847-1851_item1/P196.html
>
> Thanks!
> Joanne
>
>
> On January 21, 2017 at 7:14:44 PM, Joanne Mercier (musicma...@gmail.com 
> ) wrote:
>
> Thanks, Manoel! Now to check out those baptisms… :)
>
> Joanne
>
>
> On January 21, 2017 at 6:48:59 PM, mances (man...@gmail.com ) 
> wrote:
>
> Joanne, 
>
> Francisca Candida de Lima is from Capelas.
>
> Manoel
>
> Em sábado, 21 de janeiro de 2017 20:19:09 UTC-2, Joanne escreveu: 
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1870-1879/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1870-1879_item1/P118.html
>>
>> This is the marriage entry of my great grandparents Manoel Martins de 
>> Gouveia and Apollina Augusta de Jesus, daughter of Jose Pacheco de Faria 
>> and Francesca Candida (de Souza). What I am trying to determine is where 
>> Apollina (or Apolinaria as she is referred to in other documentation I 
>> have) was born. I have combed the Rabo de Peixe baptisms from 1846 to 1860 
>> and can’t find her so I’m thinking she may have been born and baptized 
>> nearby. I can’t read the writing and can’t seem to make it darker on my end 
>> so if someone can give it a go I’d appreciate the help. Since I just got 
>> the results of my mtDNA back I’m really working on tracking down my 
>> material lines. 
>>
>> Thanks in advance for the help!
>> Joanne Grota Mercier
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help - Apollina Augusta de Jesus birth & baptism Rabo de Peixe

[Joanne Mercier]

Manoel,
I found her but there seems to be a title or occupation listed after her
father’s name - any chance you can translate that for me as well?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1847-1851/SMG-PD-CAPELAS-B-1847-1851_item1/P196.html

Thanks!
Joanne


On January 21, 2017 at 7:14:44 PM, Joanne Mercier (musicmavene...@gmail.com)
wrote:

Thanks, Manoel! Now to check out those baptisms… :)

Joanne


On January 21, 2017 at 6:48:59 PM, mances (man...@gmail.com) wrote:

Joanne,

Francisca Candida de Lima is from Capelas.

Manoel

Em sábado, 21 de janeiro de 2017 20:19:09 UTC-2, Joanne escreveu:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1870-1879/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1870-1879_item1/P118.html
>
> This is the marriage entry of my great grandparents Manoel Martins de
> Gouveia and Apollina Augusta de Jesus, daughter of Jose Pacheco de Faria
> and Francesca Candida (de Souza). What I am trying to determine is where
> Apollina (or Apolinaria as she is referred to in other documentation I
> have) was born. I have combed the Rabo de Peixe baptisms from 1846 to 1860
> and can’t find her so I’m thinking she may have been born and baptized
> nearby. I can’t read the writing and can’t seem to make it darker on my end
> so if someone can give it a go I’d appreciate the help. Since I just got
> the results of my mtDNA back I’m really working on tracking down my
> material lines.
>
> Thanks in advance for the help!
> Joanne Grota Mercier
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help - Apollina Augusta de Jesus birth & baptism Rabo de Peixe

[mances]

Joanne,

Francisca Candida de Lima is from Capelas.

Manoel

Em sábado, 21 de janeiro de 2017 20:19:09 UTC-2, Joanne escreveu:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1870-1879/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1870-1879_item1/P118.html
>
> This is the marriage entry of my great grandparents Manoel Martins de 
> Gouveia and Apollina Augusta de Jesus, daughter of Jose Pacheco de Faria 
> and Francesca Candida (de Souza). What I am trying to determine is where 
> Apollina (or Apolinaria as she is referred to in other documentation I 
> have) was born. I have combed the Rabo de Peixe baptisms from 1846 to 1860 
> and can’t find her so I’m thinking she may have been born and baptized 
> nearby. I can’t read the writing and can’t seem to make it darker on my end 
> so if someone can give it a go I’d appreciate the help. Since I just got 
> the results of my mtDNA back I’m really working on tracking down my 
> material lines. 
>
> Thanks in advance for the help!
> Joanne Grota Mercier
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: TRanslation help

[Liz Migliori]

Thank you Thank you Thank you

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 13, 2017, at 12:23 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
> <rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I  went back and looked after because the page number did not mesh with the 
> book dates. At that point it didn’t matter as that was not the record she was 
> looking for. But the correct date is 6 Apr 1783
> Rick
>  
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> bsei2...@gmail.com
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 1:58 PM
> To: Azores Genealogy
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: TRanslation help
>  
> I thought the year was 1743 at first also because it looks like a loop under 
> the first letter; but the rest of the entries on this page look like 1783.  
> 1743 should be much earlier in this book (it starts at 1742)
> 
> 
> On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 9:25:05 AM UTC-8, Richard Francis Pimentel 
> wrote:
>  
> Correction on date.
> I have the date as 6 Apr 1743 and Maria de Sao Jose widow of Domingos Furtado.
>  
> Rick
>  
>  
> From: azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> bsei...@gmail.com
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 12:19 PM
> To: Azores Genealogy
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: TRanslation help
>  
> I believe you have the date right.  I struggle with this one also, but I 
> think it is Maria de Sao Jose, widow of Domingos Furtado, about  70 years old.
>  
> Bill
> 
> On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 9:01:05 AM UTC-8, Lizmig wrote:
> UGH!!!  this is one of those old ones you dread getting.  i know there are 
> worse but my eyes haven't adjusted to these type yet. 
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1742-1808/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1742-1808_item1/P118.html
> 
> 3rd down on left.
> 
> All I can make out is Maria I believe 6th day of April 1783?  Does it say 
> Parents?
> Or is she Rosa Maria?
>  
> Liz
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: TRanslation help

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

I  went back and looked after because the page number did not mesh with the 
book dates. At that point it didn’t matter as that was not the record she was 
looking for. But the correct date is 6 Apr 1783

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
bsei2...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 1:58 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: TRanslation help

 

I thought the year was 1743 at first also because it looks like a loop under 
the first letter; but the rest of the entries on this page look like 1783.  
1743 should be much earlier in this book (it starts at 1742)



On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 9:25:05 AM UTC-8, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:

 

Correction on date.

I have the date as 6 Apr 1743 and Maria de Sao Jose widow of Domingos Furtado.

 

Rick

 

 

From: azo...@googlegroups.com   [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com 
 ] On Behalf Of bsei...@gmail.com  
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 12:19 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: TRanslation help

 

I believe you have the date right.  I struggle with this one also, but I think 
it is Maria de Sao Jose, widow of Domingos Furtado, about  70 years old.

 

Bill

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 9:01:05 AM UTC-8, Lizmig wrote:

UGH!!!  this is one of those old ones you dread getting.  i know there are 
worse but my eyes haven't adjusted to these type yet.  


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1742-1808/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1742-1808_item1/P118.html

3rd down on left.

All I can make out is Maria I believe 6th day of April 1783?  Does it say 
Parents? 

Or is she Rosa Maria?

 

Liz

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: TRanslation help

[bsei2816]

I thought the year was 1743 at first also because it looks like a loop 
under the first letter; but the rest of the entries on this page look like 
1783.  1743 should be much earlier in this book (it starts at 1742)


On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 9:25:05 AM UTC-8, Richard Francis Pimentel 
wrote:

>  
>
> *Correction on date.*
>
> *I have the date as 6 Apr 1743 and Maria de Sao Jose widow of Domingos 
> Furtado.*
>
>  
>
> *Rick*
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> azo...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *bsei...@gmail.com 
> 
> *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2017 12:19 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: TRanslation help
>
>  
>
> I believe you have the date right.  I struggle with this one also, but I 
> think it is Maria de Sao Jose, widow of Domingos Furtado, about  70 years 
> old.
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
> On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 9:01:05 AM UTC-8, Lizmig wrote:
>
> UGH!!!  this is one of those old ones you dread getting.  i know there are 
> worse but my eyes haven't adjusted to these type yet.  
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1742-1808/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1742-1808_item1/P118.html
>
> 3rd down on left.
>
> All I can make out is Maria I believe 6th day of April 1783?  Does it say 
> Parents? 
>
> Or is she Rosa Maria?
>
>  
>
> Liz
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: TRanslation help

[Liz Migliori]

Oh wow. I was way off not the one I'm looking for at all

Thanks  mucho

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 13, 2017, at 9:19 AM, bsei2...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I believe you have the date right.  I struggle with this one also, but I 
> think it is Maria de Sao Jose, widow of Domingos Furtado, about  70 years old.
> 
> Bill
> 
>> On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 9:01:05 AM UTC-8, Lizmig wrote:
>> UGH!!!  this is one of those old ones you dread getting.  i know there are 
>> worse but my eyes haven't adjusted to these type yet.  
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1742-1808/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1742-1808_item1/P118.html
>> 
>> 3rd down on left.
>> 
>> All I can make out is Maria I believe 6th day of April 1783?  Does it say 
>> Parents? 
>> Or is she Rosa Maria?
>> 
>> Liz
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: TRanslation help

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

 

Correction on date.

I have the date as 6 Apr 1743 and Maria de Sao Jose widow of Domingos Furtado.

 

Rick

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
bsei2...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 12:19 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: TRanslation help

 

I believe you have the date right.  I struggle with this one also, but I think 
it is Maria de Sao Jose, widow of Domingos Furtado, about  70 years old.

 

Bill

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 9:01:05 AM UTC-8, Lizmig wrote:

UGH!!!  this is one of those old ones you dread getting.  i know there are 
worse but my eyes haven't adjusted to these type yet.  


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1742-1808/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1742-1808_item1/P118.html

3rd down on left.

All I can make out is Maria I believe 6th day of April 1783?  Does it say 
Parents? 

Or is she Rosa Maria?

 

Liz

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: TRanslation help

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

I have the date as 8 Apr 1743 and Maria de Sao Jose widow of Domingos Furtado.

 

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
bsei2...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 12:19 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: TRanslation help

 

I believe you have the date right.  I struggle with this one also, but I think 
it is Maria de Sao Jose, widow of Domingos Furtado, about  70 years old.

 

Bill

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 9:01:05 AM UTC-8, Lizmig wrote:

UGH!!!  this is one of those old ones you dread getting.  i know there are 
worse but my eyes haven't adjusted to these type yet.  


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1742-1808/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1742-1808_item1/P118.html

3rd down on left.

All I can make out is Maria I believe 6th day of April 1783?  Does it say 
Parents? 

Or is she Rosa Maria?

 

Liz

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: TRanslation help

[bsei2816]

I believe you have the date right.  I struggle with this one also, but I 
think it is Maria de Sao Jose, widow of Domingos Furtado, about  70 years 
old.

Bill

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 9:01:05 AM UTC-8, Lizmig wrote:

> UGH!!!  this is one of those old ones you dread getting.  i know there are 
> worse but my eyes haven't adjusted to these type yet.  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1742-1808/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1742-1808_item1/P118.html
>
> 3rd down on left.
>
> All I can make out is Maria I believe 6th day of April 1783?  Does it say 
> Parents? 
> Or is she Rosa Maria?
>
> Liz
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help - Marriage of Joanne de Medeiros and Antonio de Costa - Bretanha 1741?

[Philippe Garnier]

Hi Joana,

1741, April 4 … Antonio da Costa Sintra (perhaps) son of Manoel da Sintra 
and Antonia da Costa parishioners of this parish where he is native, with 
Joana de Medeiros daughter of Aleixo da Costa and Jacinta de Medeiros 
parishioners of N. S. da Conceição dos Mosteiros (perhaps, I don' know this 
island) where she was baptized … (was present in Bretanha to the last 
Easter)


Best regards


Philippe Garnier

Paris - France

http://philippegarnier112.wixsite.com/familiasilhaterceira/copie-de-familias-da-ilha-terceira

Le mardi 3 janvier 2017 02:31:40 UTC+1, Joanne a écrit :
>
> Left page - top of page
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-C-1703-1779/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-C-1703-1779_item1/P55.html
>
>
> I can see that her father is Alexio de Medeiros but that about it - the 
> rest of the script is just not reading clearly to me. Any help with this 
> tricky one will be most greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
> Joanne Grota Mercier
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help with Marriage record

[linda]

Antonio Jacintho de Pimentel filho de Francisco Antonio Muniz Galvão, ja 
defunto e de Francisca Genoveva
Albina Roza filha de pai incognito e de Antonia Furtada

hope that helps,

Linda


On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 10:54:00 AM UTC-7, PatGirard wrote:
>
> So sorry, I meant the one on the left, Antonio Jacinto Pimentel and Albina 
> Rosa. This is the first time I've tried to post a link. Again, sorry.
>
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2016 at 2:12:39 PM UTC-7, PatGirard wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone translate this marriage records for me? I especially need help 
>> with the groom's parents. Thanks
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1810-1849/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1810-1849_item1/P217.html
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help with Marriage record

[PatGirard]

So sorry, I meant the one on the left, Antonio Jacinto Pimentel and Albina 
Rosa. This is the first time I've tried to post a link. Again, sorry.


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>
> Can anyone translate this marriage records for me? I especially need help 
> with the groom's parents. Thanks
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1810-1849/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1810-1849_item1/P217.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help with Marriage record

['j Bc' via Azores Genealogy]

*If you are referring to the one on the left hand side of the page, the 
grooms parents are: Francisco Antonio Muniz Galvao (deceased) and Francisca 
Genoveva (living).*


*If you are referring to the one on the right hand side of the page, the 
grooms parents are: Manuel Luiz (deceased) and Francisca dos Anjos 
(living).*

*Im 99% sure I am correct, but I am new to all of this!*




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>
> Can anyone translate this marriage records for me? I especially need help 
> with the groom's parents. Thanks
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1810-1849/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1810-1849_item1/P217.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help - Mathias Calvo 1731 Ajuda de Bretanha

[Antonio Raposo]

Matias was born ...21 Dec. 1748 son of António Álvares(Álves) Calvo & 
Vitória de Aguiar.

Le vendredi 9 septembre 2016 21:56:30 UTC-4, Joanne a écrit :
>
> I’m looking at trying to understand Mathias’ father’s middle name (Antonio 
> Calvo is clear but that’s it) and I think his mother’s name is Victoria de 
> Aguiar. It looks like the date of birth is 21 December 1731 but I can’t see 
> the baptismal date or if there are grandparent names. It appears it might 
> only be godparents names. I’ll appreciate any and all assistance with this 
> one.
>
> Thanks!
> Joanne Grota Mercier
>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help Please!

[linda]

Hi JGBC,

For abbreviations and Portuguese word lists, have a look at the info on 
this site:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/research-aids-m---z/portuguese-word-list.html

 The link will take you to a page with links to info on name abbreviation 
and a very helpful word list.  Explore the rest of the site for more useful 
information on tracing your 
Azorean ancestry.

This booklet is extremely useful too:

https://script.byu.edu/Documents/portuguese_paleography.pdf

good luck with your research,

:D

Linda
 

On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 10:45:15 PM UTC-7, j Bc wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> Darn! I am sorry to hear that it is not Rosa Terra as I had hoped, however 
> the information about the abbreviations will definitely be of use, as I 
> would never have seen Ferreira in that! I will be sure to post a link to 
> the record next time. thank you all for your tremendous help in 
> clarification! It is all very much apprecaited.
>
> JGBC
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help Please!

['j Bc' via Azores Genealogy]

Hello!

Darn! I am sorry to hear that it is not Rosa Terra as I had hoped, however 
the information about the abbreviations will definitely be of use, as I 
would never have seen Ferreira in that! I will be sure to post a link to 
the record next time. thank you all for your tremendous help in 
clarification! It is all very much apprecaited.

JGBC

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help Please!

[linda]

Yup, I think Bill's correct.

I was so focused on finding the dates in the records that I missed that the 
names didn't match those in the OP.  Poor attention to detail.

thanks Bill!

On Sunday, March 13, 2016 at 10:39:01 PM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The one you identify as Maria Terra I see as Rosa, daughter of João 
> Ferreira Goularte (using the abbreviations Ferr.a  G.te).  It is 
> consistent in both records that Ferr.a  ends with a dot under a raised 
> "a".  The dot signifies an abbreviation.  If you were thinking this was 
> Terra, I think you may have the wrong record.  
>
>
>  I could be wrong so I have attached the links to the CCA records so other 
> might take a look.
>
>
> Rosa (given on attachment as Maria Terra):  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-B-1841-1860/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-B-1841-1860_item1/P150.html
>  (center 
> left)
>
> and Joao: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-B-1841-1860/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-B-1841-1860_item1/P122.html
>  (center 
> right)
>
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>
>
> On Sunday, March 13, 2016 at 7:29:10 PM UTC-7, j Bc wrote:
>>
>> Hello!
>>  I am not very good at reading the old records.  I was so happy to have 
>> found my great-great-grandmothers (Maria Emelia Rosa Terra) birth from 1855 
>> an another one of a brother Joao from a few years earlier. I ave no clue 
>> about the date though.  Im going to attach both.  If someone could 
>> translate both entries I would be so very appreciative!  
>> J
>>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help Please!

[bsei2816]

The one you identify as Maria Terra I see as Rosa, daughter of João 
Ferreira Goularte (using the abbreviations Ferr.a  G.te).  It is consistent 
in both records that Ferr.a  ends with a dot under a raised "a".  The dot 
signifies an abbreviation.  If you were thinking this was Terra, I think 
you may have the wrong record.  


 I could be wrong so I have attached the links to the CCA records so other 
might take a look.


Rosa (given on attachment as Maria Terra):  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-B-1841-1860/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-B-1841-1860_item1/P150.html
 (center 
left)

and Joao: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-B-1841-1860/PIC-LJ-SAOJOAO-B-1841-1860_item1/P122.html
 (center 
right)


Bill

 



On Sunday, March 13, 2016 at 7:29:10 PM UTC-7, j Bc wrote:
>
> Hello!
>  I am not very good at reading the old records.  I was so happy to have 
> found my great-great-grandmothers (Maria Emelia Rosa Terra) birth from 1855 
> an another one of a brother Joao from a few years earlier. I ave no clue 
> about the date though.  Im going to attach both.  If someone could 
> translate both entries I would be so very appreciative!  
> J
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help Please!

[linda]

Hi J,


Welcome to the group!  And congratulations on finding those records :D  


The dates in the 19th century records are typically written out in words.  
Here's a clip of the information you asked for in Maria's record.






The birthday starts with the last word in the first line, "nasceo".  
"...nasceo aos des e seis de Fev.ro de mil outo centos cincouenta, e cinco 
em o dia vinte dad.o mez, e anno foi baptisada..."

so, Maria was born on the 16th of February 1855 and baptised on the 20th of 
the same month.

If I read it right, Joao was born on 30 April 1851 and baptized on the 6th 
of May.

The red arrows you added to point to the entries were really helpful.  I 
think the preferred protocol for posting records on this forum is to post a 
link to the CCA records, though.  It does make it easier to use the 
built-in magnification and up-scaling to view the records on a variety of 
browser platforms.

best of luck in your research!

Linda

On Sunday, March 13, 2016 at 7:29:10 PM UTC-7, j Bc wrote:
>
> Hello!
>  I am not very good at reading the old records.  I was so happy to have 
> found my great-great-grandmothers (Maria Emelia Rosa Terra) birth from 1855 
> an another one of a brother Joao from a few years earlier. I ave no clue 
> about the date though.  Im going to attach both.  If someone could 
> translate both entries I would be so very appreciative!  
> J
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: translation help needed

[Cheri Mello]

I would *think* that 1958 was her death date and that they were catching up
with the notes, since they dated them all the same.  But I don't see where
it says she died in 1958.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *The last date is the death date.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *bsei2...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 3, 2016 1:50 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: translation help needed
>
>
>
> Something was going on in 1958 because both of these notes were written on
> July 31, 1958.  I don't see any reference anything happening to her at this
> time so maybe she was just rejoining her native parish so they were
> updating who she was.
>
>
>
> The first note says that with the complete name of Maria de Egito
> Rodrigues (Mary of Egypt?) she married on Nov 4, 1905 in Providence, Rhode
> Island to Mariano Rocha de Lima, native of the Azores.  The last part of
> the first note I can't make out but believe it is a reference to a record
> source.
>
>
>
> The second note says she was widowed on 13 Oct 1943 in São Pedro (Angra)
> and references the obito.
>
>
>
> As for those dates,  I am told that dates are always written
> day/month/year and they used to use Roman numerals for the month
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 10:13:27 AM UTC-8, Barb Davis wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SERRETA-B-1880-1889/TER-AH-SERRETA-B-1880-1889_item1/P139.html
>
>
>
> On the left page, record no. 5, there is a note in the margin going into
> the next page.  I am having difficulty understanding what it says.  It is
> for Maria.  Could someone help me translate?  I think it is stating that
> she married in Rhode Island in 1905 but I can't decide if that's april 11
> and I need the rest of the note.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> Barb Davis
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: translation help needed

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

The last date is the death date.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

 

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bsei2...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2016 1:50 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: translation help needed

 

Something was going on in 1958 because both of these notes were written on July 
31, 1958.  I don't see any reference anything happening to her at this time so 
maybe she was just rejoining her native parish so they were updating who she 
was.

 

The first note says that with the complete name of Maria de Egito Rodrigues 
(Mary of Egypt?) she married on Nov 4, 1905 in Providence, Rhode Island to 
Mariano Rocha de Lima, native of the Azores.  The last part of the first note I 
can't make out but believe it is a reference to a record source.

 

The second note says she was widowed on 13 Oct 1943 in São Pedro (Angra) and 
references the obito.

 

As for those dates,  I am told that dates are always written day/month/year and 
they used to use Roman numerals for the month 

 

Bill

 

 

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 10:13:27 AM UTC-8, Barb Davis wrote:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SERRETA-B-1880-1889/TER-AH-SERRETA-B-1880-1889_item1/P139.html

 

On the left page, record no. 5, there is a note in the margin going into the 
next page.  I am having difficulty understanding what it says.  It is for 
Maria.  Could someone help me translate?  I think it is stating that she 
married in Rhode Island in 1905 but I can't decide if that's april 11 and I 
need the rest of the note. 

Thanks in advance.

 

Barb Davis

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: translation help needed

[bsei2816]

Something was going on in 1958 because both of these notes were written on 
July 31, 1958.  I don't see any reference anything happening to her at this 
time so maybe she was just rejoining her native parish so they were 
updating who she was.

The first note says that with the complete name of Maria de Egito Rodrigues 
(Mary of Egypt?) she married on Nov 4, 1905 in Providence, Rhode Island to 
Mariano Rocha de Lima, native of the Azores.  The last part of the first 
note I can't make out but believe it is a reference to a record source.

The second note says she was widowed on 13 Oct 1943 in São Pedro (Angra) 
and references the obito.

As for those dates,  I am told that dates are always written day/month/year 
and they used to use Roman numerals for the month 

Bill

 

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 10:13:27 AM UTC-8, Barb Davis wrote:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SERRETA-B-1880-1889/TER-AH-SERRETA-B-1880-1889_item1/P139.html
>
> On the left page, record no. 5, there is a note in the margin going into 
> the next page.  I am having difficulty understanding what it says.  It is 
> for Maria.  Could someone help me translate?  I think it is stating that 
> she married in Rhode Island in 1905 but I can't decide if that's april 11 
> and I need the rest of the note. 
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Barb Davis
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help

[Judi Phillips]

Eddie,
These are not twins.  The father's names are similar but not the same.  The 
mother's names are different as well as the grandparents.  I have seen twins 
written on one certificate as well as two.  

Judi

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On Feb 1, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Sandra Perez  wrote:

> Ditto Cheri's response.
> 
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 7:00 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> I've seen twins listed both ways.
> 
> Cheri Mello
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> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Manita M  wrote:
> True.  I have twins in my family and they were listed together.
> 
> On Jan 31, 2016 9:57 PM, "Barb Davis"  wrote:
> In my experience twins are listed together rather than as two seperate 
> baptisms.
> 
> B
> 
> On Friday, January 29, 2016 at 5:21:55 PM UTC-7, Eddie Machado wrote:
> Ok on this page it looks like it has possible twins. I am having a difficult 
> time reading it. Left side Manuel and Antonio the first two on the page.
> 
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1835-1845/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1835-1845_item1/P197.html
> 
> 
> Thanks
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help

[Cheri Mello]

I've seen twins listed both ways.

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On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Manita M  wrote:

> True.  I have twins in my family and they were listed together.
> On Jan 31, 2016 9:57 PM, "Barb Davis"  wrote:
>
>> In my experience twins are listed together rather than as two seperate
>> baptisms.
>>
>> B
>>
>> On Friday, January 29, 2016 at 5:21:55 PM UTC-7, Eddie Machado wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok on this page it looks like it has possible twins. I am having a
>>> difficult time reading it. Left side Manuel and Antonio the first two on
>>> the page.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1835-1845/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1835-1845_item1/P197.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Eddie
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help

[Manita M]

True.  I have twins in my family and they were listed together.
On Jan 31, 2016 9:57 PM, "Barb Davis"  wrote:

> In my experience twins are listed together rather than as two seperate
> baptisms.
>
> B
>
> On Friday, January 29, 2016 at 5:21:55 PM UTC-7, Eddie Machado wrote:
>>
>> Ok on this page it looks like it has possible twins. I am having a
>> difficult time reading it. Left side Manuel and Antonio the first two on
>> the page.
>>
>>
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1835-1845/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1835-1845_item1/P197.html
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>> Eddie
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help

[Barb Davis]

In my experience twins are listed together rather than as two seperate 
baptisms.

B

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> Ok on this page it looks like it has possible twins. I am having a 
> difficult time reading it. Left side Manuel and Antonio the first two on 
> the page.
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1835-1845/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1835-1845_item1/P197.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help

[linda]

hi Eddie,

Not twins, but the names are so similar it's easy to understand your 
difficulty.

Manuoel, born on 7 June 1844
son of Antonio Silveira Cardozo & Maria Jozepha
paternal gps = Manoel Silveira Cardozo & Maria Catharina
maternal gps = Manoel [Alex?]andre & Maria Jozepha

Antonio, born on 10 June 1844
son of Antonio Cardozo & Maria de Sao Joze
paternal gps = Manoel Cardozo & Maria Francisca
maternal gps = Joze Silveira de Brum & Maria de Sao Joze

In the records where I've seen twins, it's been noted on the record-- look 
for the word "gemeos/as".  
 
:)

Linda

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> Ok on this page it looks like it has possible twins. I am having a 
> difficult time reading it. Left side Manuel and Antonio the first two on 
> the page.
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1835-1845/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1835-1845_item1/P197.html
>
>
> Thanks
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help needed

[Cheri Mello]

Bill S,

I've seen the baptism in a marriage before, but it's rare, I'd say.

Thanks for pointing out he said the page number of the book. I got focused
on the math, thinking "how is the bride over 100?"  LOL

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On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 1:58 PM,  wrote:

> I haven't seen a marriage that gives dates of baptisms before, but this
> one does
>
> On 24 Aug 1722 Igreja de Apostolo S. Pedro in Biscoitos
> Groom: Domigos Gonçalves son of Domingos Godinho, baptized in this parish
> on 31 March 1697, book(L.o) of baptisms page 18 reverse
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-B-1693-1703/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-B-1693-1703_item1/P36.html
>
> Bride: Maria de Conseipsam, daughter of Joam Rodrigues ??? and Izabel de
> S. Joam, baptized in this parish 2 Nov 1600 livro (l.o) de baptisms ???
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-B-1693-1703/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-B-1693-1703_item1/P116.html
> Witnesses: Matheus Lourenço and Manuel Alveres Berberia
>
> I provided links to the baptisms above.  I only looked for them when I
> realized that either I read the bride's baptism date wrong, the priest
> mistakenly wrote 1600 instead of 1700, or the bride was 122 years old.
> Finding the baptism in 1700 eliminated one of those possibilities.
>
> The groom's mother's name seems to be omitted, but on the baptism it is
> Maria Dias.  The baptism also gives the father's name Domingos Gonçalves
> Godinho.
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help needed

[linda]

Ohhh!  "l.o" ! Thanks Bill-- that makes so much more sense than 1.o 

:D

L.

  



On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 1:58:02 PM UTC-8, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I haven't seen a marriage that gives dates of baptisms before, but this 
> one does
>
> On 24 Aug 1722 Igreja de Apostolo S. Pedro in Biscoitos
> Groom: Domigos Gonçalves son of Domingos Godinho, baptized in this parish 
> on 31 March 1697, book(L.o) of baptisms page 18 reverse 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-B-1693-1703/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-B-1693-1703_item1/P36.html
>
> Bride: Maria de Conseipsam, daughter of Joam Rodrigues ??? and Izabel de 
> S. Joam, baptized in this parish 2 Nov 1600 livro (l.o) de baptisms ??? 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-B-1693-1703/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-B-1693-1703_item1/P116.html
> Witnesses: Matheus Lourenço and Manuel Alveres Berberia
>
> I provided links to the baptisms above.  I only looked for them when I 
> realized that either I read the bride's baptism date wrong, the priest 
> mistakenly wrote 1600 instead of 1700, or the bride was 122 years old. 
>  Finding the baptism in 1700 eliminated one of those possibilities.
>
> The groom's mother's name seems to be omitted, but on the baptism it is 
> Maria Dias.  The baptism also gives the father's name Domingos Gonçalves 
> Godinho.
>
> Bill Seidler
>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help needed

[linda]

Hi Barb, it looks like the groom's mother's name was omitted.  Here's what 
I see:

...Domingos Glzo f.o de Domingos Godinho 
baptizado nesta parochial ig.ra aos trinta e hum 
dias do mes de MarCo de mil seis Centos noventa e sete 
Com Consta do 1.o dos baptizados [???] 18 Com 
Maria da Conseipsam f.a de Joam Roiz [] 
e de Izabel de S Joam baptizada da nesta Igra 
aos dois dias do mes de Novembro de anno de 
mil e Seis Centos Como Consta do 1.o baptizadas 
desta Igr.a [] ... [witnesses, etc.]

I think the record is stating that the groom and bride were two of the 
first to be baptized in that church, but I'm not certain.  I does look like 
you get their baptismal dates (yay!).
  
I hope that's helpful,

Linda

On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 12:06:48 PM UTC-8, Barb Davis wrote:
>
> I'm not sure exactly what I'm looking at here. On line 11 I don't know 
> what this record is saying.  Above it on line 8 I found "Domingos Goncalves 
> (groom) son of Domingos Godinhobaptized 1697..."  It is after that that 
> I get confused.  Is that the mother's name?  If so, what is it?
>
> Thanks for the help!
>
> Barb
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-C-1684-1731/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-C-1684-1731_item1/P208.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help needed

[bsei2816]

I haven't seen a marriage that gives dates of baptisms before, but this one 
does

On 24 Aug 1722 Igreja de Apostolo S. Pedro in Biscoitos
Groom: Domigos Gonçalves son of Domingos Godinho, baptized in this parish 
on 31 March 1697, book(L.o) of baptisms page 18 reverse 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-B-1693-1703/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-B-1693-1703_item1/P36.html

Bride: Maria de Conseipsam, daughter of Joam Rodrigues ??? and Izabel de S. 
Joam, baptized in this parish 2 Nov 1600 livro (l.o) de baptisms ??? 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-B-1693-1703/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-B-1693-1703_item1/P116.html
Witnesses: Matheus Lourenço and Manuel Alveres Berberia

I provided links to the baptisms above.  I only looked for them when I 
realized that either I read the bride's baptism date wrong, the priest 
mistakenly wrote 1600 instead of 1700, or the bride was 122 years old. 
 Finding the baptism in 1700 eliminated one of those possibilities.

The groom's mother's name seems to be omitted, but on the baptism it is 
Maria Dias.  The baptism also gives the father's name Domingos Gonçalves 
Godinho.

Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help needed

[Cheri Mello]

How much vinho did that priest have

The marriage is 1715, the groom baptized in 1697 (so he's 18) and the bride
baptized in 1600, so she's 115 years old?!?!?!? Guess I'd search for her in
the 1690s!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help needed

[JR]

You are going to have make note that priest made error abt baptism, as he 
obviously meant 1700. I believe that name is Joam Roz Pais.

You guys are getting really good at reading the records. It was so 
difficult when we had to read the microfilms. 

JR

On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 5:27:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Bill S,
>
> I've seen the baptism in a marriage before, but it's rare, I'd say.
>
> Thanks for pointing out he said the page number of the book. I got focused 
> on the math, thinking "how is the bride over 100?"  LOL
>
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> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 1:58 PM,  wrote:
>
>> I haven't seen a marriage that gives dates of baptisms before, but this 
>> one does
>>
>> On 24 Aug 1722 Igreja de Apostolo S. Pedro in Biscoitos
>> Groom: Domigos Gonçalves son of Domingos Godinho, baptized in this parish 
>> on 31 March 1697, book(L.o) of baptisms page 18 reverse 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-B-1693-1703/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-B-1693-1703_item1/P36.html
>>
>> Bride: Maria de Conseipsam, daughter of Joam Rodrigues ??? and Izabel de 
>> S. Joam, baptized in this parish 2 Nov 1600 livro (l.o) de baptisms ??? 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-B-1693-1703/TER-PV-BISCOITOS-B-1693-1703_item1/P116.html
>> Witnesses: Matheus Lourenço and Manuel Alveres Berberia
>>
>> I provided links to the baptisms above.  I only looked for them when I 
>> realized that either I read the bride's baptism date wrong, the priest 
>> mistakenly wrote 1600 instead of 1700, or the bride was 122 years old.  
>> Finding the baptism in 1700 eliminated one of those possibilities.
>>
>> The groom's mother's name seems to be omitted, but on the baptism it is 
>> Maria Dias.  The baptism also gives the father's name Domingos Gonçalves 
>> Godinho.
>>
>> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: translation help please

[Cheri Mello]

Liz,

You've heard about the 3 time periods of the records, right? You are in the
2nd time period.

The 2nd time period does not give the grandparents (3rd period does).

I've never seen the ages of the parents given in a baptism at all.

Collect all the siblings. If they are in the same freguesia, then check
that freguesia for the marriage. You can also check NEPS as a cross
reference. However, 1 or 2 freguesias from Faial are missing from that cite.

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On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Elizabeth Migliori 
wrote:

> Does this possibly give names of grandparents ?
> Or ages of Parents?
> Anything else I could search back further with?
>
>
> Thank you
> Liz
>
> On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
> wrote:
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>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1813-1823/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1813-1823_item1/P45.html
>>
>> Can someone please help translate this one.
>> Maria on right side middle lower..
>> Does it say Jose Silveira Santa as father?
>>
>> any other info would help also
>>
>> Liz
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: translation help please

[Elizabeth Migliori]

Does this possibly give names of grandparents ?
Or ages of Parents?
Anything else I could search back further with?


Thank you
Liz

On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Elizabeth Migliori 
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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1813-1823/FAL-HT-CEDROS-B-1813-1823_item1/P45.html
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> Can someone please help translate this one.
> Maria on right side middle lower..
> Does it say Jose Silveira Santa as father?
>
> any other info would help also
>
> Liz
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help

[linda]

Hi Moinca,

I read the date as 16 december 1877.  

His age appears to be 21 years old, and hers hers, 28 years old.  

The bride's mother's name looks like Jacintha de Jesus.

best,

Linda



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> Hello. I have a few questions. 
> 1. does this record have the ages of the bride and groom? Joao de fonseca 
> and Antonia de jesus 
> 2. can you confirm if the marriage date is December 28, 1877? 
> 3. Can you make out the name if the brides mother? 
>
> Thanking everyone! 
>
> Monica 
> Sao Miguel- capelas, candelaria, Sete Cidades: Paiva, Revoredo, Rego, 
> desousa 
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-C-1870-1879/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-C-1870-1879_item1/P60.html
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help-Pedro Dutra Borges de Faria de Lacerda?

[Diane George]

Thank you very much for the extra info. I believe this to be the death record 
for my eighth great grandfather.

 

Diane George

 

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Faria de Lacerda?

 

I can add to the 2nd page and to what Bill Seider wrote and as I read 
.George (Jorge) Pereira de.Lacerda that he was leaving the "terça" which 
translates to one third of his wealth/estate to his wife, Ana? Gomes during her 
life and after his wife their sons George (Jorge) Pereira and Joseph (Jose) 
Pereira "com obrigacao selada" with sealed obligation of giving to his Pedro 
Dutra "quatro mil reis" 4 thousand kings (monetary)  and to leave more 
...his son Manuel Dutra under the condition ...left one slave by the 
name of  Margarida...etc.

 

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<mailto:digeorg...@hotmail.com> > wrote:

Thanks—It does help.

 

Diane George

 

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Lacerda?

 

This handwriting is very difficult, but I think I can make out some parts.  I 
agree with what Shirley wrote, but I would lean more towards 70 years of age.  
I cannot find where it says who he was married to as it seems to go directly 
into his will.  There is something about leaving something for his soul then 
mentions a chapel (capela, 6th line from bottom of first page) of  ?? for poor 
children (I think it says crianças pobres on next line).  The first line on the 
second page identifies the executor (testamenteiro) as his son George Pedro 
(Dutra) Lacerda (I think Dutra was written after-the-fact in the right margin). 
 I also see the name Margarida on the sixth line from the bottom but do not 
know where this person fits in.

 

Not much, but I hope it helps.

 

Bill Seidler

 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help-Pedro Dutra Borges de Faria de Lacerda?

[bsei2816]

This handwriting is very difficult, but I think I can make out some parts. 
 I agree with what Shirley wrote, but I would lean more towards 70 years of 
age.  I cannot find where it says who he was married to as it seems to go 
directly into his will.  There is something about leaving something for his 
soul then mentions a chapel (capela, 6th line from bottom of first page) of 
 ?? for poor children (I think it says crianças pobres on next line).  The 
first line on the second page identifies the executor (testamenteiro) as 
his son George Pedro (Dutra) Lacerda (I think Dutra was written 
after-the-fact in the right margin).  I also see the name Margarida on the 
sixth line from the bottom but do not know where this person fits in.

Not much, but I hope it helps.

Bill Seidler

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help-Pedro Dutra Borges de Faria de Lacerda?

[Diane George]

Thanks—It does help.

 

Diane George

 

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help-Pedro Dutra Borges de Faria de 
Lacerda?

 

This handwriting is very difficult, but I think I can make out some parts.  I 
agree with what Shirley wrote, but I would lean more towards 70 years of age.  
I cannot find where it says who he was married to as it seems to go directly 
into his will.  There is something about leaving something for his soul then 
mentions a chapel (capela, 6th line from bottom of first page) of  ?? for poor 
children (I think it says crianças pobres on next line).  The first line on the 
second page identifies the executor (testamenteiro) as his son George Pedro 
(Dutra) Lacerda (I think Dutra was written after-the-fact in the right margin). 
 I also see the name Margarida on the sixth line from the bottom but do not 
know where this person fits in.

 

Not much, but I hope it helps.

 

Bill Seidler

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help-Pedro Dutra Borges de Faria de Lacerda?

[Margaret Vicente]

I can add to the 2nd page and to what Bill Seider wrote and as I read
.George (Jorge) Pereira de.Lacerda that he was leaving the "terça"
which translates to one third of his wealth/estate to his wife, Ana? Gomes
during her life and after his wife their sons George (Jorge) Pereira and
Joseph (Jose) Pereira "com obrigacao selada" with sealed obligation of
giving to his Pedro Dutra "quatro mil reis" 4 thousand kings (monetary)
 and to leave more ...his son Manuel Dutra under the condition
...left one slave by the name of  Margarida...etc.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 5:39 PM, Diane George <digeorg...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks—It does help.
>
>
>
> Diane George
>
>
>
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> Behalf Of *bsei2...@gmail.com
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> *To:* Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation Help-Pedro Dutra Borges de
> Faria de Lacerda?
>
>
>
> This handwriting is very difficult, but I think I can make out some
> parts.  I agree with what Shirley wrote, but I would lean more towards 70
> years of age.  I cannot find where it says who he was married to as it
> seems to go directly into his will.  There is something about leaving
> something for his soul then mentions a chapel (capela, 6th line from bottom
> of first page) of  ?? for poor children (I think it says crianças pobres on
> next line).  The first line on the second page identifies the executor
> (testamenteiro) as his son George Pedro (Dutra) Lacerda (I think Dutra was
> written after-the-fact in the right margin).  I also see the name Margarida
> on the sixth line from the bottom but do not know where this person fits in.
>
>
>
> Not much, but I hope it helps.
>
>
>
> Bill Seidler
>
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help/passport registry

[Kimberly Reeve]

 I had no idea which island or village she is from.  I only knew the Azores 
 from her marriage document.  I just looked through every passport for the 
 year 1884 because I was fairly sure that is when she immigrated.  This was 
 the only Anna de Gloria I found that year that was the right age.  It's at 
 least a starting place.  can you tell me what her profession is?  It looks 
 like they wrote gen dom, some kind of domestic maybe?  It also looks like 
 she traveled alone.  I've seen entries that are families and this does not 
 look like those.  There were notes in the Observances column, but it looks 
 like they were for the person above her.  Her destination seems to be USA 
 and there is a small CA three could that be California?.  Finally, the 
 ships name almost looks like Veronica which can't be right.


I just this past couple years have been brave enough to try research over 
seas.  I had good results with Sweden and am really just beginning 
Portugal.  I like doing it myself, it's like a puzzle as I found with 
Sweden, it takes a bit of guidance to comprehend the records and get use to 
the format.  Thanks for any help you can provide.  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help/passport registry

[Cheri Mello]

I really can't read the document. I strained to get Cedros for you. You
need to send the link from the CCA so the reader has control over the zoom
and can fit it to their own eyes.

The Azores GenWeb is here: http://goo.gl/p5TGBV
How to get started (from the Azores GenWeb) is here: http://goo.gl/lqNtnd

Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help/passport registry

[linda]

Hi Kimberly,

Welcome!  Here's a crib sheet for the passport page you posted to help get 
you started.  I hope this helps in your search.  It [mostly] gets easier 
after you find the right village.

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Ano/Year: 1884
Mes/Month: September
Dia/Day: 5

Passport number: 461

Nomes/Names: Anna da Gloria
Estado/Status: solteira/single
Professao/Profession: gov.o dom.co [I read this as governo de sua 
domestico, i.e., keeper of her own house; this phrase is used in 
marriage records of this period, and means, I believe, engaged full time in 
household duties/chores but not employed outside the family]
Edade/Age: 16

Signaes/Characteristics
Altura/Height: 1,53 = 1 meter 53 cm
Resto/: Comp.??
Cabello/Hair: Cast.o = castanho/brown
?: Cast.o = castanho/brown
Olhos/Eyes: Cast.o = castanho/brown
Nari??/Nose?: regular
Bocca/Mouth: regular
Cor??/Color??: N.al = natural??? [perhaps meaning white?]

Destino/Destination: E U d'Am.ca = Estados Unidos d'America/ USA

Quem leva en sua companhia/Who they take with them: BLANK

Naturalidade/Birthplace
Ilha/Island: Fayal/Faial 
Conselho/Council: Hurta?/Horta
Freguezia/Village: Cedros/Cedros

Sabe escrever/Knows how to write: nao/no

Nome do Navio/Ship Name: Veronica

Observacoes/Observations [Distinguishing Marks]: BLANK [the line above says 
the fellow has a blondish beard and a scar of some sort]
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Also, many of the ships from the Azores landed at the immigration stations 
at Boston, so you might have luck searching those ship lists through 
Ancestry.com or Steve Morse's OneStep site.

Best wishes,

Linda 



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 Here is the link 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1876-1889/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1876-1889_item1/P162.html




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help/passport registry

[luiznoia .]

The Veronica is not listed as ever arriving in the US after her passport
date. It arrived 31 Jul 1884, then does not show up again in records The
next ship she could have been on was the Acoriana, then the Adelia

The Anna da gloria Ferro that shows up in Ancestry ship list  searches is
from Santa Cruz , Flores

Eric Edgar

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 I'm reading Veronica for the ship.
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 Here is the link
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help/passport registry

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Here is the 
link 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help/passport registry

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I'm reading Veronica for the ship.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help/passport registry

[Kimberly Reeve]

Thank you very much.  That is great information.  I'm hopeful this is my 
Anna, but I've been down false trails before.

On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 5:20:30 PM UTC-7, linda wrote:

 Hi Kimberly,

 Welcome!  Here's a crib sheet for the passport page you posted to help get 
 you started.  I hope this helps in your search.  It [mostly] gets easier 
 after you find the right village.

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 Ano/Year: 1884
 Mes/Month: September
 Dia/Day: 5

 Passport number: 461

 Nomes/Names: Anna da Gloria
 Estado/Status: solteira/single
 Professao/Profession: gov.o dom.co [I read this as governo de sua 
 domestico, i.e., keeper of her own house; this phrase is used in 
 marriage records of this period, and means, I believe, engaged full time in 
 household duties/chores but not employed outside the family]
 Edade/Age: 16

 Signaes/Characteristics
 Altura/Height: 1,53 = 1 meter 53 cm
 Resto/: Comp.??
 Cabello/Hair: Cast.o = castanho/brown
 ?: Cast.o = castanho/brown
 Olhos/Eyes: Cast.o = castanho/brown
 Nari??/Nose?: regular
 Bocca/Mouth: regular
 Cor??/Color??: N.al = natural??? [perhaps meaning white?]

 Destino/Destination: E U d'Am.ca = Estados Unidos d'America/ USA

 Quem leva en sua companhia/Who they take with them: BLANK

 Naturalidade/Birthplace
 Ilha/Island: Fayal/Faial 
 Conselho/Council: Hurta?/Horta
 Freguezia/Village: Cedros/Cedros

 Sabe escrever/Knows how to write: nao/no

 Nome do Navio/Ship Name: Veronica

 Observacoes/Observations [Distinguishing Marks]: BLANK [the line above 
 says the fellow has a blondish beard and a scar of some sort]
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 Also, many of the ships from the Azores landed at the immigration stations 
 at Boston, so you might have luck searching those ship lists through 
 Ancestry.com or Steve Morse's OneStep site.

 Best wishes,

 Linda 



 On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 2:23:53 PM UTC-7, Kimberly Reeve wrote:

 Here is the link 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1876-1889/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1876-1889_item1/P162.html




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help/passport registry

[Kimberly Reeve]

I did note that about the Veronica, I saw an arrival July 1884 and I did 
see one for July possibly 1885 although there was some question about that 
date.  I'm interested in the positive search you had on Ancestry.  I've 
been a member there for some time and never had a hit on the passengers 
lists for her.  Could you link the record you found?  Certainly, that too 
is a possibility if the dates are right.  I know absolutely that she was in 
San Francisco and married by 1887 when her first child is born.  Of course 
the fact that many records burned in the 1906 earthquake does not make 
things any easier.

On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 4:20:27 PM UTC-7, luiznoia wrote:

 The Veronica is not listed as ever arriving in the US after her passport 
 date. It arrived 31 Jul 1884, then does not show up again in records The 
 next ship she could have been on was the Acoriana, then the Adelia

 The Anna da gloria Ferro that shows up in Ancestry ship list  searches is 
 from Santa Cruz , Flores

 Eric Edgar

 On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 I'm reading Veronica for the ship.
 On Jun 7, 2015 2:23 PM, Kimberly Reeve kbea...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 Here is the link 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1876-1889/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1876-1889_item1/P162.html


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help please

[Philippe GARNIER]

Padrinhos (Godparents) : Antonio Alves sal... (perhaps soluto i.e single) e 
Maria Margarida
Testemunhas (witness) : o mesmo (the same) e Manoel Joaquim.

Philippe GARNIER
Paris - France

Le mardi 12 mai 2015 01:55:55 UTC+2, DonnaO a écrit :

 May I get help with the translation of the birth record of my 2x great 
 grandfather from Saõ Jorge, Velas, Rosais.  I would like to know the 
 names of the Godparents and Witness.  The abbreviations are difficult.

  
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1816-1826/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1816-1826_item1/P14.html

  bottom right, page 21 written at top of page

  Antonio, son of José Texiera de Quadros and his wife, Maria de Saõ João.

 Birth date 16 Mar 1818;  Baptism 21 Mar 1818; 





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help please

[Carlota Torres]

Hi Cheri, I'll be in Ponta Delgarda for a few weeks this winter. Will I be 
allowed access to the records?


On Tuesday, May 5, 2015 at 3:58:30 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

  Here is what the Biblioteca of Ponta Delgada told me about the 
 passaportes. They told me this around 2002-2005. It does NOT agree with 
 what they uploaded to the Internet.


 *District archive of Horta*: 1836‑1939; since 1856 they are indexed and 
 give the towns or parishes

 of birth.

 *District archive of Angra do Heroismo*: 1775‑1818, 1844‑1845, 1857‑1924.
   
 *District archive of Ponta Delgada*:

 Existing: 1875 May‑1883 Oct; 1894 Nov ‑ 1908 Oct; 1910 Jan‑1920 Jan; 1922 
 Sep‑1939

 Dec; 1950 Feb‑1953 Mar.  All records before and in the gaps are missing.  
 Available 
 only at

 library.


 You will have to hire a researcher for the Feb 1950- Mar 1953 records. And 
 you'll need to understand that you will pay the researcher, but s/he may 
 come up with nothing.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
 Tainhas, Achada
  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translation help please

[Cheri Mello]

Yes.

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Carlota Torres pennysa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Cheri, I'll be in Ponta Delgarda for a few weeks this winter. Will I be
 allowed access to the records?


 On Tuesday, May 5, 2015 at 3:58:30 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:

  Here is what the Biblioteca of Ponta Delgada told me about the
 passaportes. They told me this around 2002-2005. It does NOT agree with
 what they uploaded to the Internet.


 *District archive of Horta*: 1836‑1939; since 1856 they are indexed and
 give the towns or parishes

 of birth.

 *District archive of Angra do Heroismo*: 1775‑1818, 1844‑1845, 1857‑1924.

 *District archive of Ponta Delgada*:

 Existing: 1875 May‑1883 Oct; 1894 Nov ‑ 1908 Oct; 1910 Jan‑1920 Jan; 1922
 Sep‑1939

 Dec; 1950 Feb‑1953 Mar.  All records before and in the gaps are missing.
 Available only at

 library.


 You will have to hire a researcher for the Feb 1950- Mar 1953 records.
 And you'll need to understand that you will pay the researcher, but s/he
 may come up with nothing.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
 Tainhas, Achada

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