Re: [Blind-Computing] DVD Conversion
I believe you can do this on the computer, but am not certain, as I'm not one for dvds. You might try telling it not to start playing the film when the dvd is inserted, then going to my computer, and selecting and opening the drive, as you would with a regular cd. If this works, then you should hopefully see the various tracks as you would with music. Not to steal the thread, but since we're on the topic of dvd conversion, is there an easy way to convert them to vhs? What about videos made or saved on a computer? Do I need to save them to dvd first, or is there a way to hook up a computer and a vcr? Thanks, Eleni On 03/04/2013, Steve & Shannon Cook wrote: > Hi, > > I have a DVD with several workouts on it. I want to be able to select the > different workouts for myself, not just what the DVD player wants to run. > I > know my DVD player is inaccessible, but does anyone know if there is a way > to use the computer to select the tracks? If not, does anyone know of a > DVD > converter that would allow me to copy each track separately to a disc and > label them so that I can make my own selections at a later date? > > Thanks for any help you can provide. > > Shannon Cook > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] resistance cable
Why not just use a regular 3.5mm male to male patch cord? You put the one end in the headphone jack of the cd player and the other in the microphone jack of the computer. Of course, it would be easier to just put the cd into the computer and get the files that way, or even to buy an external cd rom drive so that you can plug it in and do the same. But for direct audio transfer, I think a patch cord will work nicely. On 27/03/2013, David Ferrin wrote: > You can obtain such an animal at radio shack for around $5 if memory > serves. > Honestly it might be better to simply rip the music from a CD using media > player or some such other program. Now if it's a LP record then you will > have to use such a cable and recording software. > > > David Ferrin > Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones > that mind don't matter. > > -Original Message- > From: Blind-Computing [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Lenny McHugh > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 4:34 PM > To: blind computing > Subject: [Blind-Computing] resistance cable > > Is there a resistance cable made to use a cd player hooked to your sound > card to transfer the music to the computer? I remember such a cable for > audio use in the late 1960s. I do not remember what impedance would be > required to match for the mic input from an ear phone output. > --- > Please visit my home page, it is motivational, educational, inspirational > with a touch of humor. There is also a very extensive resource list for the > blind. > http://www.LennyMcHugh.com > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] question about eBay page
My problem with Ebay is that they got rid of the combo box which allows us to sort things. Furthermore, the areas which used to be links, such as for location, buy it now only, and the various categories which show up when I search for something, are no longer read as links, but as some kind of inaccessible links. I also can't use the text boxes for price. They give me their own range, and I can't change them. This has been going on for over a month now. It used to work with Firefox, then stopped. So I used Internet Explorer. But that doesn't work now, and neither does Comet Bird. About three days ago, I discovered that I was now able to use the price text boxes, but I haven't tried the other things. This happened on multiple computers, so I'm sure it's not a virus. I'm using Windows XP and the latest version of NVDA. When I mentioned this to other blind people, none of them had this problem. What is going on here and has it been fixed? Is there a way to get the regular settings back? On 10/02/2013, inthaneelf wrote: > it seems that they have again enlarged the prior searches area of the page, > but I ran a quick search and still have only the slightest of problems, > mainly not being able to just "skip it all" to get to the search results, > but could easily skip down through the areas with my jaws h key jumping > ability in my browser (I.E. 9). > > and I'm fairly sure that if you approached them nicely about it they would > be willing to consider fixing that as well. > > there not blind-insensitive there, in fact they go through extensive > testing > phases so we can comment on troubles screen reader and magnifier users are > having. I have seen them fix a problem I was having a long time back in > about a week... so I know they are not unsympathetic to our needs, but you > must keep in mind that they have other needs to fill as well, including > keeping things profitable so they can keep running the place! > > take care, > inthane > > -Original Message- > From: Blind-Computing [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of t. > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 6:00 AM > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Subject: [Blind-Computing] question about ebay page > > for the past week, I've noticed a change in the way the ebay page reads > out. does anyone know if the page format or layout has changed? I use ie 8, > and windows 7 > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Problems with EBay and Facebook
Thanks for explaining this. I had another strange issue with Firefox today. For some reason, it stopped reading GMail. This is the message I got whenever I tried to do so. Note that Google, Facebook, and all other sites worked correctly. "The page isn't redirecting properly Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete. ▪This problem can sometimes be caused by disabling or refusing to accept cookies." Not only did I not change anything with my cookie settings, but this is also a fresh download of Firefox, and it was working fine until the problem started today. One minute GMail loaded and the next, it I got this message. It works fine on IE. But IE keeps freezing my computer with Facebook. The page would just sit there, and I couldn't close it unless I rebooted. When this happened, it would also shut down NVDA, so that I had to restart it. As a sidenote, I learned that I can get to the address bar with alt-f4. In any case, I'm now using Comet Bird, which is completely accessible and made by Mozilla, so the commands are almost the same as with Firefox. GMail works correctly here, as does XMarks, setting that worry to rest. Ebay is acting as it does with Firefox and Internet Explorer, so I'm honestly beginning to think this is a problem/change on their end. If so, then I want to know how I can make the page revert to the old style. Thanks, Eleni On 08/01/2013, inthaneelf wrote: > there not keepers... they are on the spot at the moment files that are > closed so do not get fouled up by viruses, mse is a superior product and > the > two I spoke of are quick spans good only for a week > > so no, you do not keep them instead of MSE > > you can run them while MSE is running, but you do not keep them. > > inthane > > -Original Message- > From: Blind-Computing [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 5:35 PM > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Problems with EBay and Facebook > > Interesting! I just started it, and when I went to "about Internet > Explorer", this is what it said. > > "Version: 8.0.6001.18702" > > I just wish I knew why I was having these problems. Also, reguarding > those antivirus and spyware programs, can I run them while Microsoft > Security Essentials is on my machine or not? Can I keep the two on > together, even if I have to delete MSE? > > On 07/01/2013, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I had IE 8 on my old XP computer and had no problem with it. You can try >> E-bay with IE 8 and hopefully that will help. >> >> Rosemarie >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Eleni Vamvakari >> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 5:59 PM >> To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Problems with EBay and Facebook >> >> I didn't see anything about cash. I tried deleting cookies and >> temporary files and nothing helped. I think I'm using IE 7, but am >> not sure. As I said, I hardly ever use that browser. Can 8 work with >> XP? Maybe, that will help. I still don't get why it's not working >> with Firefox, as I have the latest version of that as well as of NVDA. >> Also, it's not that the site doesn't work at all. I can search, but >> can't narrow things down. If I found something that I liked, I could >> buy it. But I cannot search properly. >> >> On 06/01/2013, inthaneelf wrote: >>> well I bought an item on eBay two days ago using win 7, jaws 13, and >>> i.E. >>> >>> 9 >>> and had no troubles with either searching or purchasing my item >>> >>> I would advise you try dumping your internet cash and cookies files >>> using >>> the tools provided in the tools menu and try it again with I.E.9 or >>> prior >>> >>> regards, >>> inthane >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Blind-Computing [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >>> Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari >>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 5:39 AM >>> To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Problems with EBay and Facebook >>> >>> The mobile version of Facebook is fairly easy to use. My main problem >>> is with Ebay. I did a system restore last night, but that didn't help >>> matters. I found that I am able to choose location and buy it now, >>> even though they're the strange half links half check boxes. But >&g
Re: [Blind-Computing] Problems with EBay and Facebook
Interesting! I just started it, and when I went to "about Internet Explorer", this is what it said. "Version: 8.0.6001.18702" I just wish I knew why I was having these problems. Also, reguarding those antivirus and spyware programs, can I run them while Microsoft Security Essentials is on my machine or not? Can I keep the two on together, even if I have to delete MSE? On 07/01/2013, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote: > Hi, > > I had IE 8 on my old XP computer and had no problem with it. You can try > E-bay with IE 8 and hopefully that will help. > > Rosemarie > > > > -Original Message- > From: Eleni Vamvakari > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 5:59 PM > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Problems with EBay and Facebook > > I didn't see anything about cash. I tried deleting cookies and > temporary files and nothing helped. I think I'm using IE 7, but am > not sure. As I said, I hardly ever use that browser. Can 8 work with > XP? Maybe, that will help. I still don't get why it's not working > with Firefox, as I have the latest version of that as well as of NVDA. > Also, it's not that the site doesn't work at all. I can search, but > can't narrow things down. If I found something that I liked, I could > buy it. But I cannot search properly. > > On 06/01/2013, inthaneelf wrote: >> well I bought an item on eBay two days ago using win 7, jaws 13, and i.E. >> >> 9 >> and had no troubles with either searching or purchasing my item >> >> I would advise you try dumping your internet cash and cookies files using >> the tools provided in the tools menu and try it again with I.E.9 or prior >> >> regards, >> inthane >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Blind-Computing [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >> Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari >> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 5:39 AM >> To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Problems with EBay and Facebook >> >> The mobile version of Facebook is fairly easy to use. My main problem >> is with Ebay. I did a system restore last night, but that didn't help >> matters. I found that I am able to choose location and buy it now, >> even though they're the strange half links half check boxes. But >> there's still no way for me to sort by price, nor can I enter minimum >> and maximum price. Those fields simply aren't there. I tried to see >> if there was a link to return the classic look, or something of that >> nature, but none existed. This was with Firefox. It's also worth >> noting that, when Internet Explorer still showed the normal site, I >> still couldn't purchase anything with it. Every time I would attempt >> to do so, the page would freeze on me. Since I can't copy or edit the >> url there, I was forced to copy the entire page of the item into >> Notepad, then return to Firefox, go to Ebay and search by item number >> so that I could buy it. >> >> As a sidenote, I ran a full scan with Microsoft Security Essentials. >> I can't tell if it found anything, since it's not really accessible, >> and I just set it to quarantine and remove any moderate to serious >> threats. But it didn't change the behaviour of Ebay. >> >> On 04/01/2013, Umair Ijaz wrote: >>> i use fb, yes there are less accessibility. but you still can visit >>> them and can chit chat with your friends. for chating i use skype 6, >>> which give the option to configure fb contacts on it. and for >>> notifications i use both mobile version and mainsite also. main site >>> has more option so i mostly switch to it. but i am beginner user of >>> facebook so fb, so i always prefer that some one should made its >>> tutorial with jaws. initial tutorial withjaws are present on jaws >>> users list home page but they are about how to make account on fb, so >>> i request david and others that if someone has some tutorial regarding >>> facebook then please share. if someone write these in text then it >>> will take no more than two or three pages in ms word. so if someone >>> has sufficient kowledge on the social networking sites either facebook >>> or twitter should come up with great contribution in the form of >>> tutorial either in text or audio but with jaws. thanks >>> >>> On 1/3/13, inthaneelf wrote: >>>> ah, well you could use jaws, it still works there on eBay (I don't use >>>> facebook so can't comment on them), you could update
Re: [Blind-Computing] Problems with EBay and Facebook
I didn't see anything about cash. I tried deleting cookies and temporary files and nothing helped. I think I'm using IE 7, but am not sure. As I said, I hardly ever use that browser. Can 8 work with XP? Maybe, that will help. I still don't get why it's not working with Firefox, as I have the latest version of that as well as of NVDA. Also, it's not that the site doesn't work at all. I can search, but can't narrow things down. If I found something that I liked, I could buy it. But I cannot search properly. On 06/01/2013, inthaneelf wrote: > well I bought an item on eBay two days ago using win 7, jaws 13, and i.E. 9 > and had no troubles with either searching or purchasing my item > > I would advise you try dumping your internet cash and cookies files using > the tools provided in the tools menu and try it again with I.E.9 or prior > > regards, > inthane > > -Original Message- > From: Blind-Computing [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On > Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 5:39 AM > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Problems with EBay and Facebook > > The mobile version of Facebook is fairly easy to use. My main problem > is with Ebay. I did a system restore last night, but that didn't help > matters. I found that I am able to choose location and buy it now, > even though they're the strange half links half check boxes. But > there's still no way for me to sort by price, nor can I enter minimum > and maximum price. Those fields simply aren't there. I tried to see > if there was a link to return the classic look, or something of that > nature, but none existed. This was with Firefox. It's also worth > noting that, when Internet Explorer still showed the normal site, I > still couldn't purchase anything with it. Every time I would attempt > to do so, the page would freeze on me. Since I can't copy or edit the > url there, I was forced to copy the entire page of the item into > Notepad, then return to Firefox, go to Ebay and search by item number > so that I could buy it. > > As a sidenote, I ran a full scan with Microsoft Security Essentials. > I can't tell if it found anything, since it's not really accessible, > and I just set it to quarantine and remove any moderate to serious > threats. But it didn't change the behaviour of Ebay. > > On 04/01/2013, Umair Ijaz wrote: >> i use fb, yes there are less accessibility. but you still can visit >> them and can chit chat with your friends. for chating i use skype 6, >> which give the option to configure fb contacts on it. and for >> notifications i use both mobile version and mainsite also. main site >> has more option so i mostly switch to it. but i am beginner user of >> facebook so fb, so i always prefer that some one should made its >> tutorial with jaws. initial tutorial withjaws are present on jaws >> users list home page but they are about how to make account on fb, so >> i request david and others that if someone has some tutorial regarding >> facebook then please share. if someone write these in text then it >> will take no more than two or three pages in ms word. so if someone >> has sufficient kowledge on the social networking sites either facebook >> or twitter should come up with great contribution in the form of >> tutorial either in text or audio but with jaws. thanks >> >> On 1/3/13, inthaneelf wrote: >>> ah, well you could use jaws, it still works there on eBay (I don't use >>> facebook so can't comment on them), you could update to windows 7 which >>> is >>> not that hard to learn and can be customized to look just like XP, or >>> you >>> can play with your dos when it comes out! >>> >>> live and learn, you make it sound bad, when it's actually a good thing >>> >>> inthaneelf >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Blind-Computing [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >>> Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari >>> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 1:21 PM >>> To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com >>> Subject: [Blind-Computing] Problems with Ebay and Facebook >>> >>> Over the past several months, I've been having major problems with >>> Ebay. I've noticed that the combo boxes for sorting items, as well as >>> the edit boxes for choosing price, and the regular links for things >>> like buy it now, the various categories, location, etc. have all >>> become inaccessible. They now look like a combination of links and >>>
Re: [Blind-Computing] Problems with EBay and Facebook
The mobile version of Facebook is fairly easy to use. My main problem is with Ebay. I did a system restore last night, but that didn't help matters. I found that I am able to choose location and buy it now, even though they're the strange half links half check boxes. But there's still no way for me to sort by price, nor can I enter minimum and maximum price. Those fields simply aren't there. I tried to see if there was a link to return the classic look, or something of that nature, but none existed. This was with Firefox. It's also worth noting that, when Internet Explorer still showed the normal site, I still couldn't purchase anything with it. Every time I would attempt to do so, the page would freeze on me. Since I can't copy or edit the url there, I was forced to copy the entire page of the item into Notepad, then return to Firefox, go to Ebay and search by item number so that I could buy it. As a sidenote, I ran a full scan with Microsoft Security Essentials. I can't tell if it found anything, since it's not really accessible, and I just set it to quarantine and remove any moderate to serious threats. But it didn't change the behaviour of Ebay. On 04/01/2013, Umair Ijaz wrote: > i use fb, yes there are less accessibility. but you still can visit > them and can chit chat with your friends. for chating i use skype 6, > which give the option to configure fb contacts on it. and for > notifications i use both mobile version and mainsite also. main site > has more option so i mostly switch to it. but i am beginner user of > facebook so fb, so i always prefer that some one should made its > tutorial with jaws. initial tutorial withjaws are present on jaws > users list home page but they are about how to make account on fb, so > i request david and others that if someone has some tutorial regarding > facebook then please share. if someone write these in text then it > will take no more than two or three pages in ms word. so if someone > has sufficient kowledge on the social networking sites either facebook > or twitter should come up with great contribution in the form of > tutorial either in text or audio but with jaws. thanks > > On 1/3/13, inthaneelf wrote: >> ah, well you could use jaws, it still works there on eBay (I don't use >> facebook so can't comment on them), you could update to windows 7 which >> is >> not that hard to learn and can be customized to look just like XP, or you >> can play with your dos when it comes out! >> >> live and learn, you make it sound bad, when it's actually a good thing >> >> inthaneelf >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Blind-Computing [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On >> Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari >> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 1:21 PM >> To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com >> Subject: [Blind-Computing] Problems with Ebay and Facebook >> >> Over the past several months, I've been having major problems with >> Ebay. I've noticed that the combo boxes for sorting items, as well as >> the edit boxes for choosing price, and the regular links for things >> like buy it now, the various categories, location, etc. have all >> become inaccessible. They now look like a combination of links and >> check boxes, which do nothing when I click on them. I've tried both >> Firefox, which is my main browser, and Internet Explorer. Sometimes, >> they work properly, but now, neither one is working, and these >> problems appear on both browsers, where previously, I was able to use >> IE for the purpose. Firefox also started acting normally, a few days >> ago, but has now resumed this strange look. The ad-ons manager in >> Firefox has also become inaccessible. >> >> I also have to use the mobile version of Facebook with both browsers, >> since it's very difficult to use the main site on Firefox and >> virtually impossible with IE. When I get e-mails of notifications >> from Facebook, they all use the www. version of pages. But I can't >> get to the address with IE, as I can with Firefox, in order to edit it >> to m. so that I can view things on the mobile site. I also can't >> update IE, because I'm using Windows XP, and 7 is the last version >> that will work with my os! So basically, I'm left with only a few >> options. >> 1. Change to a version of Windows which I have no idea how to use, and >> no desire to learn, one which is far more complicated than what I >> already have. >> 2. Buy another Mac (which is ridiculously expensive) so that I can >> upgrade to Mountain Lion, or buy more memory for my Macbook so I can >> upgr
[Blind-Computing] Problems with Ebay and Facebook
Over the past several months, I've been having major problems with Ebay. I've noticed that the combo boxes for sorting items, as well as the edit boxes for choosing price, and the regular links for things like buy it now, the various categories, location, etc. have all become inaccessible. They now look like a combination of links and check boxes, which do nothing when I click on them. I've tried both Firefox, which is my main browser, and Internet Explorer. Sometimes, they work properly, but now, neither one is working, and these problems appear on both browsers, where previously, I was able to use IE for the purpose. Firefox also started acting normally, a few days ago, but has now resumed this strange look. The ad-ons manager in Firefox has also become inaccessible. I also have to use the mobile version of Facebook with both browsers, since it's very difficult to use the main site on Firefox and virtually impossible with IE. When I get e-mails of notifications from Facebook, they all use the www. version of pages. But I can't get to the address with IE, as I can with Firefox, in order to edit it to m. so that I can view things on the mobile site. I also can't update IE, because I'm using Windows XP, and 7 is the last version that will work with my os! So basically, I'm left with only a few options. 1. Change to a version of Windows which I have no idea how to use, and no desire to learn, one which is far more complicated than what I already have. 2. Buy another Mac (which is ridiculously expensive) so that I can upgrade to Mountain Lion, or buy more memory for my Macbook so I can upgrade to Lion. Both have better navigational features than Snow Leopard, but I'm not a huge fan of the Mac. Please do not suggest to me that I buy an iOS device. I don't like touch screens and the like, nor do I wish to change to Linux. 3. Continue using Firefox and uninstall/reinstall it every time Ebay starts acting up, hoping that will fix the problem (it didn't today), or I don't like an add-on and need to delete it, or do a system restore each time. 4. Wait for my MS-DOS 7.10 machine, which should be coming soon. I've heard that these sites are accessible with DOS browsers. For the record, I use NVDA as my screenreader. Has anyone else experienced these problems? If so, what solutions have you found? This is really upsetting me! What's worse is that both Ebay and Facebook have wonderfully accessible mobile pages, but they don't have many of the basic features of their main sites. Thanks, Eleni For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] Digest Mode
Hi there, I'm sorry for not participating in this forum for such a long time. I'm sure that I've missed a great deal. I'm still interested in various forms of DOS as well as programs that work with it and older adaptive technology in general. In any case, the amount of e-mails from this group, combined with all the others from various lists of which I am a member is overwhelming me. Is there any way that I can receive my e-mails from here in a digest mode? I couldn't find a link which would let me change my subscription options. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Eleni For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ Send any questions regarding list management to: blind-computing-ow...@jaws-users.com
Re: [Blind-Computing] Shocking: Facebook to Shut Down On March 15
Well, apparently, this is completely false. I just found a huge bunch of links refuting this article. One even said it came from The Weekly World News. I love that paper but don't take anything in it seriously. Besides, Zuckerberg would have to be an idiot to not simply sell it to someone else. No one's tying him to the company, and the outlash should Facebook really close would be enormous. Not only from the teens but also from the businesspeople who use it for networking, from the friends and family who live across the country or across the world from each other and even from us, the blind who often use it as a means of entertainment and communication, since we can't get out as much as the sighted. So yeah, thank The Gods, this is a rumour. On 1/13/11, Gerald Levy wrote: > > It sure fooled me. But then again, who knows what's real and what's rumor? > > Gerald > > > - Original Message - > From: "Marilyn Walker" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Shocking: Facebook to Shut Down On March 15 > > >> iS IT APRIL FOOLS DAY? >> - Original Message - >> From: "Gerald Levy" >> To: "blind-computing" >> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:10 PM >> Subject: [Blind-Computing] Shocking: Facebook to Shut Down On March 15 >> >> >> : >> : At first I thought this was some kind of practical joke, but it sure >> sounds real. Read it and weep: >> : >> : PALO ALTO, CA -Mark Zuckerberg announced that Facebook will be shut >> : down in March. >> : Managing the site has become too stressful. >> : "Facebook has gotten out of control," said Zuckerberg in a press >> : conference outside >> : his Palo Alto office, "and the stress of managing this company has >> : ruined my life. >> : I need to put an end to all the madness." >> : Zuckerberg went on to explain that starting March 15th, users will no >> : longer be able >> : to access their Facebook accounts. >> : "After March 15th the whole website shuts down," said Avrat Humarthi, >> : Vice President >> : of Technical Affairs at Facebook. "So if you ever want to see your >> : pictures again, >> : I recommend you take them off the internet. You won't be able to get >> : them back once >> : Facebook goes out of business." >> : Zuckerberg said that the decision to shut down Facebook was difficult, >> : but that he >> : does not think people will be upset. >> : "I personally don't think it's a big deal," he said in a private phone >> : interview. >> : "And to be honest, I think it's for the better. Without Facebook, >> : people will have >> : to go outside and make real friends. That's always a good thing." >> : Some Facebook users were furious upon hearing the shocking news. >> : "What am I going to do without Facebook?" said Denise Bradshaw, a high >> : school student >> : from Indiana. "My life revolves around it. I'm on Facebook at least 10 >> : hours a day. >> : Now what am I going to do with all that free time?" >> : However, parents across the country have been experiencing a long >> : anticipated sense >> : of relief. >> : "I'm glad the Facebook nightmare is over," said Jon Guttari, a single >> : parent from >> : Detroit. "Now my teenager's face won't be glued to a computer screen >> : all day. Maybe >> : I can even have a conversation with her." >> : Those in the financial circuit are criticizing Zuckerberg for walking >> : away from a >> : multibillion dollar franchise. Facebook is currently ranked as one of >> : the wealthiest >> : businesses in the world, with economists estimating its value at >> : around 7.9 billion. >> : But Zuckerberg remains unruffled by these accusations. He says he will >> : stand by his >> : decision to give Facebook the axe. >> : "I don't care about the money," said Zuckerberg. "I just want my old >> : life back." >> : The Facebook Corporation suggests that users remove all of their >> : personal information >> : from the website before March 15th. After that date, all photos, >> : notes, links, and >> : videos will be permanently erased. >> : >> : >> : >> : >> : Gerald >> : For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> : http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> : Send any questions regarding list management to: >> : blind-computing-ow...@jaws-users.com >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> Send any questions regarding list management to: >> blind-computing-ow...@jaws-users.com > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > Send any questions regarding list management to: > blind-computing-ow...@jaws-users.com > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ Send any questions regarding list management to: blind-computing-ow...@jaws-users.com
Re: [Blind-Computing] FreeYouTubeToMP3Converter.exe
There are many such sites out there. I've been using http://www.youtube-mp3.org The great thing is it gives you the title once it has the download ready, so you can just copy the title, download the song and then rename it to the proper name, since they call it something like .mp3. Enjoy, Eleni On 11/8/10, Mike & Barbara In Arcadia wrote: > Hi David; > > Try clicking on the link below. I haven't tried this program but, it sounds > like it's what you are looking for. > > http://www.freemake.com/free_video_downloader/ > > Hope this helps. Let me knowhow it works. Take care. > Mike > > - Original Message - > From: David > To: Blind-Computing-List > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 4:40 AM > Subject: [Blind-Computing] FreeYouTubeToMP3Converter.exe > > > Good morning; > > I'm wondering if there's a way to download a video from you tube, keeping > the video intact. > I no the; > FreeYouTubeToMP3Converter.exe >allows you to download and convert to MP3, > > > > > The Impossible Is The Untried. > Never Underestimate The power Of A Dream. > >Email: davidwhitehead1...@cogeco.ca > > Windows Live Messenger: davidmac1...@hotmail.com > > skype: wild_thing1957 > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] daily term
So how do you check to insure that your network is using incription? And what if you're away and wish to use a freely available network? For example, I use one e-mail for almost all things but another for financial/legal matters. If I use my regular e-mail and stay away from shopping sites and ones that use my legal name, is it safe for me to browse the net via an unsecured network or can they actually hack into my computer itself? Thanks, Eleni On 11/4/10, David Ferrin wrote: > This is true folks. > David Ferrin > ow...@jaws-users.com > I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up > too. > - Original Message - > From: "Aiden Gardiner" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 1:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] daily term > > > this is what the firesheep firefox extention does. It was designed to > demonstrate how much of a risk this attack poses. now a user who has the > extention can go to any open wireless hotspot, such as in a cafe, see > exactly who is on the network with them, and their profile picture if they > are logged onto a website the extention supports and by simply > double-clicking on the person's name, they hijack that individual's account. > the only fix is for hotspot admins to employ WPA encryption at the very > least, or for websites to force SSL for the entire session, which > unfortunately not many do. I say this as a warning to everyone, whether you > run your own wireless network or not, make sure the network your connecting > to uses at least WPA encryption, wep encryption simply is not enough any > more because it's now so easy to brake into those networks. > > Aiden > - Original Message - > From: "David Ferrin" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 12:15 PM > Subject: [Blind-Computing] daily term > > >> sidejacking >> >> "When logging into a Web site you usually start by submitting your >> username and password. The server then checks to see if an account >> matching this information exists and if so, replies back to you with a >> 'cookie,' which is used by your browser for all subsequent requests." >> >> Most Web sites protect your username and password with a secure HTTPS >> connection. Unfortunately, many immediately drop back into insecure HTTP >> once a visitor is signed in - and the site sends its cookie back over a >> now-insecure connection. Anybody snooping on your conversation can make a >> copy of the cookie and use it to interact with the Web site in precisely >> the same way you do. >> David Ferrin >> Most people don't know what they're doing and a lot of them are really >> good at it. >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Os/2
What is the BVM list? I'll ask on the Blind-L list if you like. We have a few current DOS users on there, so why not OS/2? I'm not sure if there are modern versions of that system but I could find out if you'd like. Eleni On 10/27/10, chris hallsworth wrote: > If people are running it I am sure it would be in a virtual environment. > That is, you use software to create and run computers that run on top of > your "physical" computer, called a virtual machine. I will ask on my BVM > list which you can join by sending a blank message to > b-v-m-subscr...@yahoogroups.com. Gosh, I love going down memory lane > with computers! Smiles. > > > Chris H > You can contact me in the following ways: > E-mail and Facebook: challswor...@sky.com > MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com > Skype: chrishallsworth7266 > Blog: http://chrishallsworth.klangoblogs.net > > On 27/10/2010 20:32, mattias wrote: >> Has anyone running it >> Now i meen in the 2010 not 19990 >> >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Fw: [Accessible Devices] Use Caution When Dealing With UndeliveredPackage Notices
Interesting. I've never heard of a scam like this. And what does "With the recent focus on the , the , and the ," mean? that is, what's supposed to be attached to the commas? Eleni On 10/27/10, Josh wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Accessible Devices" > To: "Accessible Devices List" > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:19 PM > Subject: [Accessible Devices] Use Caution When Dealing With > UndeliveredPackage Notices > > >> Some malware attacks are exceedingly clever and innovative, while others >> just rely >> on tried and true techniques that are fairly reliable no matter how much >> users are >> told to avoid them. AppRiver is reporting a new threat that falls into >> this latter >> category--a fake DHL shipping receipt designed with a malicious file >> attachment. >> DHL is not as recognizable in the United States as FedEx, or UPS, or plain >> >> old US >> Post Office shipping, but it is still an easily identified brand. On a >> global scale, >> DHL is better known, and there is a fair chance--although not >> significantly high--that >> any random e-mail recipient may have either shipped something with DHL, or >> >> may be >> expecting a shipment from DHL, and those are the users that are most >> likely to fall >> victim to this ploy. >> the message translates roughly to, "Due to an error in the shipping >> direction, we >> were unable to deliver your package. It can be picked up at the post >> office, but >> first you must print the postal label attached to this email." >> Clicking on the file attachment results in opening a compressed folder. >> The victim >> then must open the folder and execute the malicious file it contains in >> order for >> the attack to work. Sounds convoluted, but you'd be surprised how >> effective it can >> be. Years of malware scams have proven that there are more than enough >> gullible users >> on the Internet--gullible users who speak Spanish and are expecting a DHL >> shipment. >> With the recent focus on the , the , and the , it's easy to forget that >> rudimentary >> attacks like this work just fine as well. are another effective method of >> propagating >> malware that are being used effectively in recent malware attacks. >> Let's recap the common sense approach to avoiding malware attacks like >> this fake >> DHL shipping notification. A) If you don't speak Spanish, just delete it. >> B) If you >> do speak Spanish, but you aren't expecting a DHL shipment, just delete it. >> >> C) If >> you speak Spanish, and you're expecting a DHL shipment, think for a second >> >> about >> the poorly written message and whether or not DHL would actually send such >> >> a thing. >> D) Remind yourself that no reputable company will send you an email with a >> >> file attachment >> like this. >> Bottom line--delete the e-mail. If you speak Spanish and you're expecting >> a DHL shipment >> and you honestly feel it could be legitimate, delete the e-mail, then >> visit the DHL >> Web site or give it a call and check on the status of your package. >> This is an Announce only list. Subscribers are not able to post to this >> list. >> You will find the list archives at: >> http://accessible-devices.com/pipermail/a-d_accessible-devices.com/ >> Sorry, but we're not able to provide help for archive users. >> To unsubscribe from the Accessible Devices list copy the line below. >> Paste it inthe >> To: line of a blank message and send it. >> a-d-unsubscr...@accessible-devices.com >> You may download our podcasts from this link, >> http://www.accessible-devices.com/Podcasts.html >> Or if you're using a podcatcher of some type the subscribe URL is. >> http://www.accessible-devices.com/feed.xml >> Visit our website at: >> www.accessible-devices.com >> Please feel free to pass this message on to a friend who might like to >> subscribe. >> To subscribe to Accessible Devices send a blank e mail to: >> a-d-subscr...@accessible-devices.com >> Just follow the directions in the confirmation message when it comes. >> Please Note: Accessible Devices is not able to provide tech support for >> software >> or products that we supply information about. >> ___ >> A-d mailing list >> a...@accessible-devices.com >> http://accessible-devices.com/mailman/listinfo/a-d_accessible-devices.com >> ___ >> A-d mailing list >> a...@accessible-devices.com >> http://accessible-devices.com/mailman/listinfo/a-d_accessible-devices.com > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] NVDA
I adore NVDA and use it daily. If I can help you with anything, let me know. I'm sure I haven't unlocked all of it's secrets yet, but I know alot more than I did a year ago. Also, there is a mailing list for NVDA users, but unfortunately, I don't know it off the top of my head. If anyone could chime in that would be great. Thanks, Eleni On 10/25/10, Trish wrote: > oo boy, better not rely on me for that, I'm flying by the seat of my pants, > hahahha > > - Original Message - > From: "Andre Williams" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] NVDA > > >> Thank you Trish for helping one of us out. Hopefully you'll hang around >> and >> help more of us in one way or another. >> Andre >> - Original Message - >> -- >> From: "Trish" >> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:31 PM >> To: "BPC" >> Subject: [Blind-Computing] NVDA >> >> I have a neighbor lady who is blind and has installed this NVDA which I >> know >> absolute ziltch about, is there a sight I can read on this so I can help >> her >> out? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Trish >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Historical Access Preservation Project
Thanks so much. *smile* This really looks like a wonderful project in the making. On 10/23/10, kim kelly wrote: > This is really nice. Thanks. > > I will pass this along. > > Kim Kelly: > Alternate Email: > kim...@samobile.net > > Visit my web site: > > http://www.samobile.net/users/kimk59/ > "Friends are like sunshine, They always know when to shine on you and make > you feel better when you are feeling Down". > > > - Original Message - > From: "Eleni Vamvakari" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 7:59 PM > Subject: [Blind-Computing] Historical Access Preservation Project > > >> For many years, I've wished that there was a site, not only with >> information on older software and hardware, but where I could at least >> find the software for download. Well, it's here and better than I >> ever dreamed possible! >> >> http://allinaccess.com/happ/ >> >> I found it tonight while looking for VocalEyes. Not only are they >> collecting the demos of older software, but they're actively seeking >> to contact the people who own the rights to all of this adaptive >> software in the hopes of either having it released as freeware or open >> source or of allowing people to register it. I can't stress this >> enough. If we want to save this great technology, we must act now! >> If you're interested, please pass this on, join their mailing list, >> and if you have any software that might be of interest, let them know! >> The more these companies see that we're serious, the more they may be >> willing to help us. If you're the creator of older adaptive software >> or hardware, please consider sending an upload to them of the software >> or of the information for the hardware, or at the very least, allowing >> users to once again buy and/or register your product if it's software >> or selling on a first come first serve basis if you have a few pieces >> of hardware left. >> >> With appreciation, >> Eleni >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] Historical Access Preservation Project
For many years, I've wished that there was a site, not only with information on older software and hardware, but where I could at least find the software for download. Well, it's here and better than I ever dreamed possible! http://allinaccess.com/happ/ I found it tonight while looking for VocalEyes. Not only are they collecting the demos of older software, but they're actively seeking to contact the people who own the rights to all of this adaptive software in the hopes of either having it released as freeware or open source or of allowing people to register it. I can't stress this enough. If we want to save this great technology, we must act now! If you're interested, please pass this on, join their mailing list, and if you have any software that might be of interest, let them know! The more these companies see that we're serious, the more they may be willing to help us. If you're the creator of older adaptive software or hardware, please consider sending an upload to them of the software or of the information for the hardware, or at the very least, allowing users to once again buy and/or register your product if it's software or selling on a first come first serve basis if you have a few pieces of hardware left. With appreciation, Eleni For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] Fwd: Windows Start menu utility offered for free
I came across this today and thought that it might interest some of you. As the first author said, please let us know if this works should you decide to try it. I'll also pass your information onto the Blind-L list. Talk soon, Eleni -- Forwarded message -- From: Will Smith Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:55:16 -0400 Subject: Windows Start menu utility offered for free To: blin...@listserv.uark.edu I often check the Giveaway of the Day web site, and today for less than 24 hours, about 16 hours or so left, you can get this program to use. It's also available in a general version for free at their web site, on an on-going basis. What I do not know is how useful it might or might not be for those of us using speech for access. It will probably take a more experienced user of windows 7 or windows xp to give this a fair trial work-out. If anyone does decide to give it a try please let us know if it proves to be useful to you. And possibly for most of us, or possibly not. Thanks in advance for any reactions to it. Will wilsm...@iglou.com Giveaway of the Day - Start Menu 7 Pro 3.8 Start Menu 7 is the best software to replace the standard Windows Start Menu ever made. Before creating Start Menu 7 program, I've spent a lot of time to understand how a human brain works with visual information. That's why Start Menu 7 is so easy and natural to use for everybody. sb The list of menu items is alphabetically sorted, so you can easily find any program or command by its name. sb Open any location on your PC with a single click. You can create, modify, and reorder items in Start Menu 7. So it's easy to create a list of the most used locations, popular directories, and virtual folders to access them with a single click. sb There is a special Run button to access seldom used locations without adding them into menu. sb Start Menu 7 has a customizable Power Buttons panel. sb With Power Timer feature you can delay any of power management operations. For a few bucks you'll get even more sb Launch programs with a single click. Yes, it's true! Any program in a one click distance. sb Tabbed menu helps to place more stuff in the same display size. Any folder or drive can be managed as a separate tab. [1]Get PRO version Now >> [2]Download Version: 3.8 (freeware) with 64 bit support Size: ~6MB Platforms: Windows 2003 Windows XP Windows Vista Windows 7 [3]Screenshot [demo-en.gif] [4]Screenshot I have always found the Start Menu in Windows to be inconvenient to use. In the new Windows 7 it's been made more inconvenient than even before! Now there is an alternative! Go ahead and try replacing your Start menu right now! It is safe because Start Menu 7 does not change your system! Denys Nazarenko, Developer of Start Menu 7 [5]News about new versions of Start Menu 7 © Copyright 2004-2010 OrdinarySoft. All Rights Reserved. References 1. https://sites.fastspring.com/startmenu7/instant/startmenu7 2. http://www.StartMenu7.com/StartMenu7_Setup_freeware.exe For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] tutorial on a Mac
I have an Apple IIC, an Apple IIGS, a Macbook, several pc desktops and several pc laptops running various versions of Windows and DOS. But right now, only one of my XP Home desktops, my IBM Thinkpad X32 with XP Pro, my Macbook with Snow Leopard and my KeyNote Gold with Windows 3.1 and MS-DOS 6.21 are available... Hoping to get the IBM Thinkpad 310 up so that I could play with MS-DOS 7 under Windows 98 in there, because the KeyNote has a terribly stripped down version of DOS, since they expect users to use only the KeySoft software, is missing several important keys by design and is driving me nuts! Love that old baby but really need a change of pace. Eleni On 10/14/10, heather kd5cbl wrote: > I also have a mac and a pc! Heather > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] tutorial on a Mac
May I repost this to the Mac Visionaries list? I think they would find it interesting. Thanks, Eleni On 10/14/10, David Ferrin wrote: > This is from the son of one of our list members and it seems like it could > go on here although I don't know if there actually are any Mac users > subscribed. > *** > > > Below is a link to a Webinar on Mac Accessibility and Voiceover I did > yesterday, to view it just copy and paste the link into your web brouser, > enjoy! > > http://podcasts.usu.edu/class/uatp/mac/player.html > > > Everette Bacon > Rehabilitation Technology Specialist > Division of Service for the Blind > 250 N 1950 W > Salt Lake City, UT. 84116 > 801-323-4372 > eba...@utah.gov > David Ferrin > www.jaws-users.com > Life is what happens after you have already made other plans. > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] NFBTrans Braille Translation Program
Thanks so much! I hit the wrong link yesterday, so of course, it didn't download the file. Got it now. Must try this on my DOS machine. *smile* I just need to get paper for the Braille Blazer... On 10/14/10, Peter Torpey wrote: > someone was looking for a link to the latest version of the NFB braille > translation program. Well, here it is: > > http://www.nfb.org/nfb/nfbtrans.asp > > > > Unfortunately I found that this 16-bit program which is intended to work > under MS-DOS will not work on my Windows 7 64-bit machine. > > > > I also tried the WinTrans program which Adriana suggested, but it is just a > Windows front end for the NFBTrans program and also will not perform > translations under Windows 7 64-bit. > > > > If anyone has suggestions for a free program which will work on my machine, > I would really like to hear about it. > > > > Thanks. > > > > --Pete > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Braille Translation Program for Windows
I'm sorry that I'm unable to help you here. I looked at a list of translators from APH but none were what you're seeking. At any rate, where did you find the NFBTrans software? I tried the links on the page with all the versions and they didn't work. I'm also looking for Turbo Braille so that I can compare the two. Thanks, Eleni On 10/13/10, Peter Torpey wrote: > I am looking for a free program for translating a text file into a grade 2 > text file. > > > > I tried running the old NFB Trans software, but that 16-bit program wouldn't > run on my 64-bit Windows 7 machine. > > > > I also tried running the free WinBraille program, but since I don't have a > braille printer hooked up, it wouldn't even run. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > I'm doing some volunteer work for our local public radio and would like to > braille up some show notes. I have a very old braille printer where the > translation tables don't work properly, but I think I can send a text file > (formatted) to it and get the result I'm looking for. > > > > Thanks. > > > > --Pete > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] DOS, Windows 98 and Drivers
Well, I've heard from the Blind-L list that it is indeed possible. So apparently, it really is a stand-alone system. As soon as I get an adapter, I'll try to install JAWS or ASAP using JFW and then try to reboot directly into DOS or exit Windows and go into it. I'm just happy because now I can finally start my QuickBASIC lessons that I've been forced to put on hold for lack of a decent machine. The only bad thing is that this computer doesn't have an internal modem. I've heard that those can be problematic but now I have to buy an external ontop of subscribing to a dial-up service, unless I can find a DOS-compatible wireless card. On 10/12/10, chris hallsworth wrote: > We have been talking about this over on my Blind Virtual Machines list > (b-v-m-subscr...@yahoogroups.com for those interested), simply because I > was interested in playing "museum" operating systems. Thanks for posting > this information. > > > From Chris H in Derbyshire > E-mail and Facebook: christopher...@googlemail.com > MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com > Skype: chrishallsworth7266 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 > Please visit my blog at http://chrishallsworth.klangoblog.net. > If you need any computer help, please contact me. Thank you. > > On 12/10/2010 02:08, Eleni Vamvakari wrote: >> I always knew that Windows 3.1 and DOS ran separately. You could pop >> out of one and go into the other. Of course, this isn't true with XP, >> since it doesn't have actual DOS inside it, just an emulator. But I >> thought the same was true for 95 and 98 as well or at least that there >> was no way of entering DOS apart from the command prompt found in >> Windows. I was happily wrong on both counts! Apparently, it contains >> MS-DOS 7, which is unsupported officially (they say the last supported >> stand-alone version is 6.22) but which I know as a fact can run on >> it's own. I can even enter it without needing to use Windows and can >> have the computer boot directly to full DOS! I found all the details >> here. >> >> http://www.ctyme.com/msdos7.htm >> >> It so happens that I have a working laptop with Windows 98 on it and >> even a full version of JFW 3.7! If I'm correct, this means that I can >> use the Windows command line to install a DOS screenreader so that >> when I boot without Windows, I can start up the reader and be on my >> way. Of course, I don't intend on staying with MS-DOS forever, but >> this will give me a nice experiment until I can either collect the >> drivers needed for this laptop, find a better one or get a desktop, >> put Enhanced DR-DOS onto some floppies and have someone install it for >> me. At the very least, I can finally! start my QuickBASIC tutorials >> because I have all the necessary keys (my KeyNote Gold was built with >> a few missing) and play around with all sorts of software. I can even >> switch from one opperating system to the other and try out some >> Windows applications if I wanted. >> >> But I do have a question. The laptop has a bios and some other >> drivers that specifically work with DOS. I checked them out on the >> manufacturer's website. I've been under the impression that a machine >> must have at least certain core drivers in order for DOS to be >> properly installed on it with no other opperating system. But is this >> actually true? What would happen if I loaded it onto a machine that >> was originally designed for XP? More importantly, could I load it onto >> a Windows 3.1, 95 or 98 machine if there aren't any specific DOS >> drivers available, since those versions of Windows had real DOS in >> them or does all of that depend on the fact that Windows and it's >> drivers are loaded? Sorry if this is confusing. >> >> Thanks, >> Eleni >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] DOS, Windows 98 and Drivers
I always knew that Windows 3.1 and DOS ran separately. You could pop out of one and go into the other. Of course, this isn't true with XP, since it doesn't have actual DOS inside it, just an emulator. But I thought the same was true for 95 and 98 as well or at least that there was no way of entering DOS apart from the command prompt found in Windows. I was happily wrong on both counts! Apparently, it contains MS-DOS 7, which is unsupported officially (they say the last supported stand-alone version is 6.22) but which I know as a fact can run on it's own. I can even enter it without needing to use Windows and can have the computer boot directly to full DOS! I found all the details here. http://www.ctyme.com/msdos7.htm It so happens that I have a working laptop with Windows 98 on it and even a full version of JFW 3.7! If I'm correct, this means that I can use the Windows command line to install a DOS screenreader so that when I boot without Windows, I can start up the reader and be on my way. Of course, I don't intend on staying with MS-DOS forever, but this will give me a nice experiment until I can either collect the drivers needed for this laptop, find a better one or get a desktop, put Enhanced DR-DOS onto some floppies and have someone install it for me. At the very least, I can finally! start my QuickBASIC tutorials because I have all the necessary keys (my KeyNote Gold was built with a few missing) and play around with all sorts of software. I can even switch from one opperating system to the other and try out some Windows applications if I wanted. But I do have a question. The laptop has a bios and some other drivers that specifically work with DOS. I checked them out on the manufacturer's website. I've been under the impression that a machine must have at least certain core drivers in order for DOS to be properly installed on it with no other opperating system. But is this actually true? What would happen if I loaded it onto a machine that was originally designed for XP? More importantly, could I load it onto a Windows 3.1, 95 or 98 machine if there aren't any specific DOS drivers available, since those versions of Windows had real DOS in them or does all of that depend on the fact that Windows and it's drivers are loaded? Sorry if this is confusing. Thanks, Eleni For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Survey for DOS Users
Actually, the 486 was just the lowest speed in which the program could work as a true multitasker instead of a task switcher. There are people today who use modern versions of DOS on extremely fast machines and who use all sorts of modern formats etc. I just wanted to know how accessible all of this newer technology is to the blind. Check out the 37 DOS Fallacies http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~ak621/DOS/DOS-Fal.html and the page on Enhanced DR-DOS, which was just updated last year http://drdosprojects.de/ for an idea of what DOS users are doing today. There is, in fact, a list, called Blind-L, for users of DOS. It's still active and I'm on it. Here's a page with a bit about it. For some reason, when a friend and I tried to subscribe to it, we could not do so without the mod doing it for us because of some kind of error message. Their archive doesn't seem to work either, but I've been receiving and sending messages from them so the list itself is fine. http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/blind-l.html In any case, I've been a computer user for 14 years, have used a variety of Windows, from 95 to XP, as well as Leopard and Snow Leopard, and still prefer DOS. I like it's command line as well as the clean (nongraphical) menus which exist in several programs. Since it's obviously still a viable option, and since I've always enjoyed the old MicroSoft variety, I'd like to try the modern ones and see how they work. I wanted to know the most accessible software to use in order to make things easier for me. I will not attempt to use Linux or Unix, so please don't suggest them. Far too many people have said that when I say that I like the TUI and CLI and it drives me crazy! *smile* Talk soon, Eleni On 10/11/10, Russell J. Thomas, Jr wrote: > > I don't know what you are trying to accomplish here. I haven't used dos > since 1998. When JAWS version 3 was issued, it was possible to use windows > 95 and the Microsoft office programs. The 486 machine you mention has been > out of date for ten years. All of this technology has been significantly > updated, and is much easier to use. At this point, dos is of little more > than historical interest. > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Russell J. Thomas, Jr. > > Law Office of Russell J. Thomas, Jr. > > 4121 Westerly Place, Suite 101 > > Newport Beach, California 92660 > > T: (949) 752-0101 > > F: (949) 257-4756 > > M: (949) 466-7238 > > www.emplmnattorney.com > > Follow me on Twitter: EmplmntAttorney > > > > PLEASE NOTE MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS, EFF. 6/1/2010: > rtho...@emplmntattorney.com > > > -Original Message- > From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com > [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 4:57 PM > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Subject: [Blind-Computing] Survey for DOS Users > > Geia sas/hello! > > I've been posting this to various places. So I'm sorry if you've seen > it somewhere else. Please forgive me if I've asked some of these in > other posts here but I'm trying to gain an overall understanding and > to be as detailed as possible. If you no longer use DOS but have done > so in the past, just answer to the best of your ability. Since this > will be long, you may cut out my original post when responding. > > Survey for DOS Users > > This is a survey that I'm conducting for my own sake, in order to > learn about the use of DOS among the blind in the past and in the > present in order to help me in my own transition to this operating > system. Answer to the best of your ability and just skip whatever > doesn't apply. > > Basics > > What version of DOS are you using? I'm referring to number as well as > variety, example, MS-DOS 6.21, Enhanced DR-DOS 7.02 etc. > > On what type of machine are you running DOS? Please include, if > possible, specifications on ram, processor speed and hard drive size. > > For how long have you been a DOS user? > > Blind-specific > > Do you have any usable vision? This might affect what software you > can use, which may work with magnification but which may not be > accessible with screenreaders. > > What screen access software are you using? Please include version > number if possible. > > What kind of synthesizer are you using? Is it hardware or software? > If software, how did you enable it to work with DOS? > > Software > > I'm interested in learning what types of the following software you > use. Please include version along with name and whether or not it is > considered adaptive tech as some of these might be a bit obscure. If > you find that
[Blind-Computing] Survey for DOS Users
Geia sas/hello! I've been posting this to various places. So I'm sorry if you've seen it somewhere else. Please forgive me if I've asked some of these in other posts here but I'm trying to gain an overall understanding and to be as detailed as possible. If you no longer use DOS but have done so in the past, just answer to the best of your ability. Since this will be long, you may cut out my original post when responding. Survey for DOS Users This is a survey that I'm conducting for my own sake, in order to learn about the use of DOS among the blind in the past and in the present in order to help me in my own transition to this operating system. Answer to the best of your ability and just skip whatever doesn't apply. Basics What version of DOS are you using? I'm referring to number as well as variety, example, MS-DOS 6.21, Enhanced DR-DOS 7.02 etc. On what type of machine are you running DOS? Please include, if possible, specifications on ram, processor speed and hard drive size. For how long have you been a DOS user? Blind-specific Do you have any usable vision? This might affect what software you can use, which may work with magnification but which may not be accessible with screenreaders. What screen access software are you using? Please include version number if possible. What kind of synthesizer are you using? Is it hardware or software? If software, how did you enable it to work with DOS? Software I'm interested in learning what types of the following software you use. Please include version along with name and whether or not it is considered adaptive tech as some of these might be a bit obscure. If you find that the software is not fully accessible, please let me know. OCR (for scanning printed documents): Please include the brand and model of scanner used. Wordprocessor or text editor: Calculator: Compact flash card reader: Please post it's file size limit if applicable and it's general speed if possible. Bar code scanner and software: Internet access software: Pplease include what kind of internet connection you use, your provider or at least type of service i.e. shell accounht, ppp, cable etc., your browser and any drivers or special software needed to actually connect to the internet itself using your method. Mp3 player and/or recorder Cd player and/or burner: Spreadsheet: Accounting software: Any other general business software that I've overlooked: Antivirus: Security: (firewall etc.) Memory manager: Multitasker or task switcher: Shell or other directory utilities: Battery checker (if using laptop): Webpage creator: Any other useful software for general opperations within the operating system: Modern DOS These questions refer to those who either use a modern version of DOS or who use newer software to enhance the capability of older versions. Since I know the most about Enhanced DR-DOS (from here on referred to as EDRD), in this regard, some will be specific to that variety. But if you use another version with something equivalent, please let me know. I've heard that EDRD has a program that can serve as a multitasker in machines with a processor higher than a 486 and as a task switcher in machines with slower speeds. But how accessible is it with a screenreader? Is one reader better than another for this purpose? I'd like to know the same thing about it's memory manager. I have a program for reading pdfs but haven't tried it yet. Has anyone had success with a DOS pdf reader? Which is currently more accesible, EDRD or FreeDOS? Is there a large difference between the 16 and 32-bit versions of DOS? For those who use the MicroSoft variety, what software do you use to allow it to deal with modern formats? Is there an accessible internet browser that can work with modern pages containing forms, java, html etc? Which screenreader is the most adaptable or seems to work the best with the modern software? Can DOS be installed as a stand-alone system on any machine or must said machine have certain core drivers, like BIOS, to allow for it? If so, what are the other drivers? What, in your opinion, are appropriate specs for a strictly DOS machine, using the types of software above? Please include ram, processor speed and hard disk size. Extra If you wish to add anything, please do so. Thank you for taking the time to fill this out. Well wishes, Eleni For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] Software and/or Camera Suggestions Needed
I like recording videos of myself on Youtube. When I had my netbook, an Acer Aspire One, I used a wonderful program called Debut Video Capture Software. But I no longer have said computer and my IBM Thinkpad X32 doesn't have a camera. So I've been using Photo Booth on the Macbook. Many times, I can view the video perfectly fine in Photo Booth, but when I upload it to Youtube, it cuts off. I never know when it will do this and each cut-off point is different, even with videos of the same length. Whenever I've tried reuploading these videos, they just cut off at the same point. I love the ease of use of Photo Booth, but is there another accessible program for the Mac that I could use? I'm using Snow Leopard if that helps. Even better would be a program that works with Windows XP, since uploading with that os is now possible with a screenreader. I tried using Debut with a program called Virtual Camera, which uses a still image to act like a webcam but it slowed down my computer so much that I was barely able to use it. I'm not sure which of the programs did this, but I'm willing to get a cheap webcam to see if that will solve the problem. My computer is running a 2ghz processor and has 512mb of ram, which I fully intend on upgrading to 2gb, but I don't have the monitary means to do that right now. At any rate, I found something that might work for my needs. It's called the Labtec 1200 and it's selling at Amazon for only 9.95 and at other places for about $16. It can make videos as well as take still pictures. They say the resolution and frame rate are bad but that doesn't matter to me, since I always cover the lens. I got sick of people telling me that it was too light/dark, that they couldn't see my face or that they only saw half my face etc. But I do care if their software is accessible, since I'm not sure if I could just plug the camera in and use it. Has anyone ever tried this camera or a Labtec product? If so, how easy was the installation and will my computer use it's built-in microphone or is there one on the camera? Thanks, Eleni For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Other people on my computer;
Sometimes, Windows will do that. I haven't had it happen in a long time so I may be off a bit on the details. The commonest way is to accidentally log on as another user while still being logged in with your own account. I don't have other users or accounts on my machine, but I've done that by mistake and it still logged me on. If I remember correctly, when I went to shut off, it told me that there were other people logged in and asked me if I wanted to shut down. Take care, Eleni On 9/15/10, Dan Mccurley wrote: > Not that I am aware of. > - Original Message - > From: "Rick Justice" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 3:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Other people on my computer; > > >> Hi Dan, >> Do you have a home network? >> >> Rick Justice >> - Original Message - >> From: "Dan Mccurley" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 3:51 PM >> Subject: [Blind-Computing] Other people on my computer; >> >> >>>I left my computer on sleep mode last night and when I powered it up just >>>now jaws said that other people were logged on to my computer; no other >>>person has been on this computer I didn't think; how can I find out which >>>people are logged on to my computer and how can I get them off of it. >>>Thanks for any help. >>> >>> Dan >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] netbooks
I'd be careful with netbooks. They look great but many are cheaply made with poor quality parts that stop working after awhile. I got an Acer Aspire One, the blue kind that's 8.9 inches across, and while I loved the size, the thing stopped working after only a few months. If you want a portable computer with good quality, go for an IBM Thinkpad. I have a Thinkpad X32 that I got from EBay for only $284. It has a 2ghz processor, 512mb of ram (but this can go up to 2gb), a 40gb hard disk (I believe that this can also be upgraded), a built-in microphone, a usb port, a parallel port, a pcmcia slot and a dedicated slot for compact flash cards. It runs XP Pro and is about 12 inches and very light. Like a netbook, it doesn't have a cd rom or camera, but it does have a docking station that you could buy which gives you the cd rom plus a serial connection, I believe some more usb connections and a decent set of speakers. However, I find the station to be a bit quirky and wouldn't recommend it. There are plenty of slim and light usb-powered cd drives out there as well as small cheap cameras and multi-card readers are very easy to find. I use one with my desktop for reading my compact flash cards. Hope this helps. Good luck, Eleni PS. If you're still determined to get a netbook, do some research. Read the reviews and see what people are saying about the quality of the machine etc. You just might find something good. On 10/3/10, yvonne oliver wrote: > hi > thanks to all those who have helped with this. > yesterday i was offered a Samsung n120 in a straight swap for my spare n86 > mobile phone. > as of yet the seller has not given me any information of the said netbook > other than the make and model so i have no idea on the Samsung n120 full > specifications. > if anyone on here knows of the Samsung n120 and what the full specifications > are could they let me know. > and of course advice on a straight swap would be appreciated. > is this a good idea or not? > thank you > Yvonne > - Original Message - > From: "Don Marang" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 3:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] netbooks > > >>I do not have a NetBook, but I thinkk you would be much happier with a >>NetBook with 2 GB. It should be much more responsive! Microsoft prohibits >> >>PC Makers from selling (perhaps they can just not advertise or provide such >> >>an offer) that has more than 1 GB! However, most stores and sources >>provide an upgrade, and most can install it for you. It is a worthwhile >>upgrade in my opinion. >> >> Don Marang >> >> There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any >> real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am >> working on things that matter. >> Dean Kamen >> >> >> -- >> From: "yvonne oliver" >> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 10:04 AM >> To: >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] netbooks >> >>> hi >>> thanks for this. >>> if anyone can think of anything else that would be useful on one of these >>> >>> that would be appreciated. >>> i know it needs to be able to have jaws 10 or 11. >>> and of course decent sound for skype and voicemail. >>> most i have found so far only have 1 gig of ram when purchased. >>> and all so far only have a 1.66 gig hard drive >>> and what is windows 7 like? >>> any problems with windows 7? >>> thank you >>> Yvonne >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Ishe Chinyoka" >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 1:46 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] netbooks >>> >>> RAM (at least 2048MB will do), wireless support, memory card reader, hard drive space, and of course a fast processor (at least 1,7GHZ). I think it is just a matter of seeing that the processor and RAM would help you with screen reader support and be a multitasking system. Most netbooks come preloaded with Windows 7 nowadays, but you can also get some with Windows Vista or XP. Vendors often state which operating system is loaded. On 10/3/2010 2:13 PM, yvonne oliver wrote: > hello > i pose these questions now. > suppose i decide to get one what would i be looking for in one of > these. > for example Bluetooth is one a 3 in 1 card reader is another and a fast > processor would be another but what else would i expect one of these to > have to make it worth buying. > as much info as possible would make it easier for me to choose one. > thank you > Yvonne > - Original Message - From: "David" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] netbooks > > >> Hello there; >> >> you would need to use a USB cd/dvd. >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "yvonne oliver" >> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 7:18 AM >> Subject: [Blind-Computing] netbooks >> >> >>> hi
Re: [Blind-Computing] windows 7, xp mode
Freedom Scientific is always ripping people off, plain and simple. I'd say personally to just use XP and avoid the costs of upgrading and of this $200 package. On 10/3/10, Frank Ventura wrote: > Chris, which license of JFW needs to have the Terminal Services option > added to it? The license of JFW on the Host machine (Win7) or the on > installed on the virtual XP machine. > Frank > > -Original Message- > From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com > [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of chris > hallsworth > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 4:09 AM > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] windows 7, xp mode > > Hi all. > The $200 package is to actually authorize JAWS to run in terminal > sessions. At the time Rick wasn't sure why he couldn't get JAWS to work > in Windows XP Mode because of the fact it told him that he's not > authorized to run JAWS in terminal sessions. So he thought he'd have to > pay the $200 just for JAWS to work in Windows XP Mode. The truth in the > matter is this. > Due to how Windows Virtual PC runs Windows XP Mode, it behaves as if > it's running as a terminal session. If you use Windows XP Mode in say > VMWare then it runs like any other virtual machine and thus JAWS can run > > normally, including 40 minute mode. > Hope this clarifies things. Yes I agree it's a rip off by FS but then > again MS also charges customers to upgrade to an edition of Windows that > > supports hosting terminal sessions. > > > From Chris H in Derbyshire > E-mail and Facebook: christopher...@googlemail.com > MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com > Skype: chrishallsworth7266 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 > Please visit my blog at http://chrishallsworth.klangoblog.net. > If you need any computer help, please contact me. Thank you. > > On 02/10/2010 01:08, heather kd5cbl wrote: >> Hay can someone tell me about the 200 dollar package for jaws to use > this mode with windows 7? I was unaware of one. I have jaws 11 > professional. So I have to pay 200 dollars more for this feature to > work, making windows seven like windows xp! I got it off the windows > seven podcast part3. I am some what confused, I was told that you cant > go back to the old style of windows and now, apparently you can! And > why does jaws want to rip folks off more when window eyes and other > screenreading applications have it added in their features? Heather >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Braille Transcription Questions
Thanks for your suggestions. I'll definitely check them out. I wonder if it would be at all possible to have these pdfs converted into rtf files and to somehow make the writing monotonic? I highly doubt it but just had to ask. I just found something called Easy Converter. It's made by Dolphin, the same company that makes Hal. http://www.yourdolphin.com/productdetail.asp?id=25&gclid=CO7P9LfXraQCFdJL5QodmQ63bg I'm downloading the demo now to see if it could possibly work for me. But I don't know how it will be able to handle both languages at once in the braille format. It might, however, be able to do it in mp3 format. But I've downloaded ESpeak and can't get it to talk in Greek. I'm able to use the NVDA one but I can't set Easy Converter to use that since it's locked to the screenreader. I would try the doc option, but even if it worked, NVDA still couldn't recognise the text and you can't save Greek of any kind in a txt format. So I need to use either mp3 or braille. On 9/29/10, heather kd5cbl wrote: > Well, you might want to contact the National Braille Association in NYC. > There website is: http://www.nationalbraille.org/. I know they have some > foreign language materials and the ability to produce brailed items. I > needed to obtain Arabic which to my knowledge, they were the only ones that > had Arabic for me. So I would contact them for Greek! They gave me a > payment option when I was attending the University. If they don't have the > items, they can probably tell you where to go! Also, try the RNIB in the UK > they have more foreign language materials in braille than we do. We have > all the braille codes at the NLS but, the catch is that they are in "Print!" > The NLS for the blind send me a blind student a print copy of a braille > code, that sounds like a good joke for Jay walking eh! Heather > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] Braille Transcription Questions
Please forgive me if this topic is offpost, but since it does involve technology, I'm hoping that it will be acceptible. I'm almost finished with my Greek lessons at http://kypros.org/LearnGreek These teach the standard form of the language (a cross between the very informal Dimotiki and the extremely formal Katharevousa) and use the monotonic system, which has only one accent. But I want to learn Katharevousa, which uses the polytonic system of three accents, which, as I've said in other threads, no synthesizer, to my knowledge, can read. So I'll need to write things out in monotonic. Then, there's the fact that no scanning software of which I'm aware can recognise two languages on the same page, so if a printed book has English and Greek in it, I couldn't properly scan and read it even if it was in monotonic! So I decided to look for a printed book that I could then send to be brailled or at least, an audio cassette or record that didn't need a book. Since it is rarely used today, finding books that teach Katharevousa, whether to an English or to a Greek audience, is practically impossible. At last, after months of searching everywhere and bothering everyone I could, I hit the jackpot. http://www.fsi-language-courses.org/Content.php?page=Greek This is a free online course which consists of three books and audio lessons. But the audio is useless without the books as the English is only found in the latter. The first two books teach standard Greek but prepare the student for the more formal and the third is entirely in Katharevousa. So I can practise what I already know and then learn more. These texts can be downloaded but even the standard variety in them uses the polytonic system, since they're older, and they're in a pdf format from which it's impossible to extract text. So I really do need to have all of these brailled. I know that there are some places that do this. http://www.brailleplus.net says on their page that they work with foreign languages as well as English. I've also seen another site called Braille Works, but I'm sure that these two, and probably any other sites which transcribe professionally, will be very expensive. Each book, according to my friend who looked at the pdfs, is over 200 pages, which probably translates to at least double that in braille! Does anyone know of a volunteer place in America that could handle this request, or perhaps, there are some old braille books on this in Greece from the Lighthouse or other Hellenic organisations for the blind? Would The Red Cross be able to help or do they only work with state agencies and textbooks for school? If they're an option, do they only braille books on one side of the page or are they able to do interpoint braille? Do any transcriptionists acccept payment in installments? If all else fails, is there any kind of software into which I could load the pdf files that could translate them? I'm guessing no, since it would have to be able to constantly switch between English braille and Greek, both in Grade II, but then how do the transcribers do it? Even if I were to find one, he or she would need to know both the Greek and the English or American codes. Finally, my boyfriend has an incredible Greek-English English-Greek dictionary, which not only has alot of Katharevousa in it but which also has a grammar guide. But it's over 600 pages! I don't need both types of entries. English-Greek is fine and I really only need the Greek grammar guide, not the English one meant for Greek speakers. Is it legal for a transcriber to accept only part of a book instead of the whole thing? This was written in the 50's so isn't exactly cutting edge and best-selling and I have no intentions of selling or even giving my braille copy to anyone else. Also, can I give them photo copies of the text? Spiros is willing to give the book to me but I'm extremely worried that something will happen to it. It's already very fragile and is irreplaceable. Thanks, Eleni For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] Problem with Greek ESpeak
I'm not sure if anyone here can help me but I'll give it a try. I've noticed this with all Greek synthesizers that I've tried not just with ESpeak. But the latter is open source so has a better chance of being improved. I love the Greek speech in ESpeak with NVDA. It recognises the normal tonos (accent) in the monotonic system just fine and does a very nice job of pronouncing most things. But when I try to read things in the polytonic system (not ancient but Katharevousa and older Dimotiki texts) it won't say the words properly. If I try to go over them letter by letter, it will read the ones without an accent and with the tonos fine, but whenever one of the other two accents pop up, it acts as if there's no letter there or as if it can't make out what the letter is. It doesn't say blank. In fact, it doesn't say anything. I tried, just out of curiosity, to use the ancient Greek voice on these texts but the results were disasterous. Not only couldn't I understand the speech but it wouldn't read the letters no matter whether they were polytonic or monotonic. I really want to learn Katharevousa once I finish with Dimotiki and this lack of ESpeak's ability to handle the polytonic system is severely hampering me. Does anyone have an idea as to how it can be remedied? I don't really think it would be too difficult, since they did manage to make it recognise the tonos. If not, then does anyone know a synthesizer that I might have missed which could read both types of Greek? Thanks, Eleni For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] Serious Problems with Youtube
I wrote about this in July but figured that I'd write again, since I have another problem as well. As some of you may remember, I'm having a very frustrating problem with Youtube. I created my account by signing in with a GMail address that I now rarely check. I wanted to switch my Youtube account to my newer GMail account that I use daily but everything that I've found on the net says that this is impossible and that the only way to do this would be to close my Youtube account, thereby losing all of the videos that I uploaded, my friends and my subscriptions and to then unlink it from the e-mail address so that I can reopen it and put everything back, or to start from scratch with a new account, which is essentially the same thing only with a different user name. But I heard that unlinking is possible if you created your account prior to May 2009, which I did. The information is here. http://www.google.com/support/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=183819 I went there and it seems that my Youtube account isn't linked to any Google account, even though the GMail address with which it's associated has a Google account. I'm considering entering my newer GMail address when it asks for an account but I don't want to be locked out of Youtube if it still requires the old password or something. I honestly can't figure out how to fix this. But as I said, I now have a new problem. For some reason, the volume of the videos that I watch on there has gone down. I thought that, perhaps, it was my system volume. But that's at 100%. All the other sounds come through fine, including my mp3s and NVDA. Only the Youtube videos are low. I tried several ones, including ones that I know are usually loud, and I got the same result. This started after I tried to play a video on another site. It was one of those stupid imbedded ones and I was forced to hit all the links to get it to work. So maybe, I somehow turned the volume down? Only I don't see any volume switch on the Youtube site. I've been using Klango, since that seems to play them normally, but many videos won't work there. Help! Thanks, Eleni For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Need Help ASAP with E-Mail/Security Problem
I forgot to give my messenger addresses incase anyone would rather talk about this in real time. MSN: (used most frequently) scholar 1983 at hot mail dot com Facebook (via Facebook Chat or just e-mail me at the same address) magkisa 83 at g mail dot com Skype Therebetisa I also have Yahoo and AIM but only use them when on the Mac. Yahoo: tiffanitsa at yahoo dot com AIM Tiffanitsa Thanks, Eleni On 9/13/10, Eleni Vamvakari wrote: > Today, my boyfriend told me something truly disturbing. As a bit of > background, he has two e-mail addresses, both with Yahoo. The first is > for work. The second is for casual chat etc. Well, he got an e-mail to > his casual address with the subject "Spiros, are you drowning in > debt?" Of course, he didn't open it and now doesn't remember who sent > it, since he deleted it. Here's the thing. He doesn't use his real > name in that address,. He's also not an avid net user and never signed > up to anything with it except Facebook, where, again, he used a > different name, the one associated with that e-mail. So how did the > person know that his name is Spiros? We've come up with a few answers > and none of them are comforting. Very few people have that particular > address. I'm pretty much the only one who even writes to it. We think > that someone might have hacked into his computer somehow and read the > messages that were sent to him, saying things like Hi Spiro etc. That, > or someone hacked into my computer and saw the messages that we sent > one another. I have two gmail addresses myself, and while the one from > which I normally send wouldn't really cause a problem, my other one > has personal information and is used mainly for bills etc. and I > certainly wouldn't want a hacker knowing what's in there. Maybe, > someone didn't see the messages but only saw one of our address books > and picked his address at random, saw his name and used it. Either > way, it means that someone's got our information! He did have a virus, > a trojan/worm (maybe both not sure) that AVG detected and deleted, but > maybe, it got to his stuff before we were able to install the > antivirus program. A friend asked me if it deleted it or merely put > it in the vault, but since Spiros has his laptop at home, I can't > check it to find out. > > All I know is that both of us are really scared and are taking > precautionary measures. This is making me physically ill and it takes > alot to do that. What if someone not only got into our e-mails but > into our computers? I have important things in mine that are for me > alone to know that could lead to identity theft if in the wrong hands. > I've been using computers for 14 years and have never seen anything > like this, and he's always been paranoied about such things, since he > uses them only for basic tasks. If anyone has an idea of what happened > or could help us in any way, please let me know either here or on my > messenger which I will give below. Please do not send e-mails to those > as I never check them. Also, should he delete the casual address and > how do I change my passwords on my GMail accounts? I use the basic > layout and went to settings but didn't see anything about passwords. > Do I need to change to the other layout for that option to appear? > Will I be blocked from using my Youtube account once the password on > my GMail one is changed, since I used GMail to sign up for Youtube? > How do I make certain folders password protected with XP Pro and can > this be done on compact flash cards as well or only within the actual > hard disk? Do I need to take important files and put them on a > compact flash card that will only be used when I need to access said > files or will password protection be enough to stop hackers? Finally, > how do you change Passwords on Yahoo accounts? I know that Spiros > wants to do this and I'm sure he won't know how if it's one of those > things that takes forever to find, since he's really a novice with > computers and is still learning English so may not understand certain > technical terms. He's fully sighted so can follow instructions about > icons and stuff. I'm assuming it's just a matter of finding an > account and/or settings link but we all know how inaccessible Yahoo > can be, so I'm not sure how well it would work with a screen reader if > I were to attempt to help him. > > With appreciation, > Eleni > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] Need Help ASAP with E-Mail/Security Problem
Today, my boyfriend told me something truly disturbing. As a bit of background, he has two e-mail addresses, both with Yahoo. The first is for work. The second is for casual chat etc. Well, he got an e-mail to his casual address with the subject "Spiros, are you drowning in debt?" Of course, he didn't open it and now doesn't remember who sent it, since he deleted it. Here's the thing. He doesn't use his real name in that address,. He's also not an avid net user and never signed up to anything with it except Facebook, where, again, he used a different name, the one associated with that e-mail. So how did the person know that his name is Spiros? We've come up with a few answers and none of them are comforting. Very few people have that particular address. I'm pretty much the only one who even writes to it. We think that someone might have hacked into his computer somehow and read the messages that were sent to him, saying things like Hi Spiro etc. That, or someone hacked into my computer and saw the messages that we sent one another. I have two gmail addresses myself, and while the one from which I normally send wouldn't really cause a problem, my other one has personal information and is used mainly for bills etc. and I certainly wouldn't want a hacker knowing what's in there. Maybe, someone didn't see the messages but only saw one of our address books and picked his address at random, saw his name and used it. Either way, it means that someone's got our information! He did have a virus, a trojan/worm (maybe both not sure) that AVG detected and deleted, but maybe, it got to his stuff before we were able to install the antivirus program. A friend asked me if it deleted it or merely put it in the vault, but since Spiros has his laptop at home, I can't check it to find out. All I know is that both of us are really scared and are taking precautionary measures. This is making me physically ill and it takes alot to do that. What if someone not only got into our e-mails but into our computers? I have important things in mine that are for me alone to know that could lead to identity theft if in the wrong hands. I've been using computers for 14 years and have never seen anything like this, and he's always been paranoied about such things, since he uses them only for basic tasks. If anyone has an idea of what happened or could help us in any way, please let me know either here or on my messenger which I will give below. Please do not send e-mails to those as I never check them. Also, should he delete the casual address and how do I change my passwords on my GMail accounts? I use the basic layout and went to settings but didn't see anything about passwords. Do I need to change to the other layout for that option to appear? Will I be blocked from using my Youtube account once the password on my GMail one is changed, since I used GMail to sign up for Youtube? How do I make certain folders password protected with XP Pro and can this be done on compact flash cards as well or only within the actual hard disk? Do I need to take important files and put them on a compact flash card that will only be used when I need to access said files or will password protection be enough to stop hackers? Finally, how do you change Passwords on Yahoo accounts? I know that Spiros wants to do this and I'm sure he won't know how if it's one of those things that takes forever to find, since he's really a novice with computers and is still learning English so may not understand certain technical terms. He's fully sighted so can follow instructions about icons and stuff. I'm assuming it's just a matter of finding an account and/or settings link but we all know how inaccessible Yahoo can be, so I'm not sure how well it would work with a screen reader if I were to attempt to help him. With appreciation, Eleni For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] computer museum, makes me feel old
No way! Wow! Seriously? That would be so so amazing! I've looked everywhere, from the New Jersey Comission of the Blind, to the NFB, to the ACB, to various boards and I even contacted Humanware with no luck. And does that VI department have the KeyNote or the Dectalk? On 9/2/10, Annette Carr wrote: > Hmm, I might know where a Keynote is hiding. I will have to look into it. > > -Original Message- > From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com > [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of heather kd5cbl > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:47 PM > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Subject: [Blind-Computing] computer museum, makes me feel old > > AH, that was the one, Vert, think I got the name wrong smiles. I wish I > could see one again! Just like I wish I could get a hold of those old > keynote golds. You know the plastic computer that was a 82, 84 or 86 K. > Let me see if I remember the message when you turn it on: "Keynote, keyword, > version 1.3 84 k main minue!" In that robotic voice. It had a little > printer on it using that adding machine paper. I used to do all my papers > on it elementary school. I wish I could get one of those too! I don't know > if anyone has used one of those! It could only hold ten files at a time. > It had that plastic carrying case and it was so heavy compared to the ones > like the braille-notes of today! Heather > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 5416 (20100901) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 5419 (20100902) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum,
If they're in good condition, I'd imagine that you could get alot of money for them on EBay, particularly the Apple. The censorship of the words would sincerely have annoyed me... In any case, definitely look into selling those machines if you really do intend on throwing them out. Also, if you have the adaptive tech that goes with them, that should fetch a pretty penny too, as it's very rare. Later, Eleni On 9/2/10, Annette Carr wrote: > Wow, I haven't thought about the original Magic screen enlargement software > package put out by MicroSystems before FS bought it. Before that, I used to > run my Apple Iie through my VisualTek/Telesensory CCTV. If only they had > portable digital magnifiers back then. > > Annette > > > -Original Message- > From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com > [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Alan Dicey > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 12:57 AM > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Subject: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, > > Dear ROSEMARIE , > Yes, I remember them, but I only used one at a typing Class for Blind > students, when going through the rehabilitation center for people who lost > their vision. > The first computer I really used for Work or home was the IBM PC. > Good old DOS was nice. > I used WordStar mostly on it, but WordPerfect also! > > I used a 19 inch monitor with hardware to magnify the screen, from V-Tek > Wow, was all that stuff so primitive compared to today's stuff! > LOL! > > Nice memories though, never, never thought about a "crash", it just never > happened! > With Best Regards, > Alan > Miami, Florida > Alan Dicey, President > United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA "Yes, Blind or Visually > Impaired People Can, and Do, Play Chess!!!" > United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: > http://AmericanBlindChess.org > > - Original Message - > From: "ROSEMARIE CHAVARRIA" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, > > >> Hi, Alan, >> >> Do you remember the Apple II E? That was the very first computer I learned >> to operate. I remember there were two drives side by side. The first one >> was >> for your speech program like word rap or word talk which is what I used. >> The >> second drive was for the floppy disk that you stored information on. If I >> remember correctly, control L turned the voice on and off. I almost bought >> an Apple II E from someone but I didn't have quite enough money to pay for >> it. I sure loved that machine though. It wasn't that hard to learn to >> operate either. >> >> Rosemarie >> >> -Original Message- >> From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com >> [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Alan Dicey >> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:44 PM >> To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com >> Subject: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, >> >> Dear Kim, >> Oh yes! >> >> Vert, it was later called Soft Vert! >> Nice simple program! >> >> But it was just the software to make the hardware work, and one could use >> Accent, Echo,Votrax, oh, so many different ones. >> I remember you could purchase a Echo sound card from Radio Shack for about >> $80 and then you could use a computer without sight! >> >> Big difference now with JAWS almost a thousand dollars! >> >> And those 5 and 1/2 inch floppy disks, that held 362 K of data! >> LOL! >> >> I can hardly believe it! >> >> In 1985, I purchased an external hard drive, to go with my IBM PC. >> It was 30 MB! >> >> It cost $900 >> Can you believe that? >> >> I have single cuts of music that are larger than 30 MB! >> and my T-Drives cost about $79 each! >> >> LOL! >> With Best Regards, >> Alan >> Miami, Florida >> Alan Dicey, President >> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA >> "Yes, Blind or Visually Impaired People Can, and Do, Play Chess!!!" >> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: >> http://AmericanBlindChess.org >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Kim Kelly" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, >> >> >>>I remember taking a computer class in the mid 80s, and we used a huge >>>computer and two floppy disks and we used a speech program called "Vert >>>Plus". >>> Has anyone heard of that speech synthesizer? I thought that class was so >>> fascinating. >>> >>> Learning Doss and all of those commands. >>> What memories. >>> >>> >>> >>> Kim Kelly >>> >>> Clarkston Washington >>> >>> Email and facebook: >>> kim...@clearwire.net >>> >>> Alternative E-mail: >>> >>> kim...@samobile.net >>> >>> skype: >>> >>> kblinky971 >>> >>> >>> Visit my website >>> http://www.samobile.net/users/kimk59/ >>> >>> Keep on smiling and everyone will wonder what you've been up too. >>> author unknown >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Lenny McHugh" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:50 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Comput
Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum,
I love Vocaleyes but my disk is corrupt! I was told by GW Micro that I could buy a copy for $100, with the understanding that it's no longer supported, but they recent told someone else that they wouldn't sell it to him. So now I don't know what's oging on. I'd love to get a Dectalk Express. On 9/2/10, Wayne Scott wrote: > I also used a screen reader in teh mid 90s called Vocal Eyes. What a > difference. Once I got into Windows, i learned Jaws and alter Window Eyes. > I still prefer Jaws. I used the Dec Talk synthesizer and Tiny Talk. Wayne > "A merry heart does good like medicine, but a broken spirit dries the > bones." > - Original Message - > From: "Pedro Romero" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 9:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, > > >> Yes, how well I remember Vert Plus. It allowed one to string macros >> together which was a very helpful feature. This was back int the good old >> Dos days. >> Pete >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum,
I'm actually looking for all sorts of ocr software like the the Arkenstone Reader but that's another impossible one. I know there's OmniPage, which is supposed to be wonderful, but I can't find the last DOS version and don't know what it is in any case. I have Recognita but not the last version and am trying to learn which scanners work with it. Thanks for the hints on OSCAR. Do the other DOS ocr programs have similar problems? Which is the best, not only from my list but in general, for me to try and find? Oh, let me add that I'd prefer a flatbed scanner and not a sheetfed one as I don't want to destroy my books etc. Thanks, Eleni On 9/2/10, Trish wrote: > May I ask why you would want to use Oscar? > Personally to have to go back to that after using OB, is just no > comparisons. This is not a plug for FS, it's just the truth. > While I might have scanned a cake mix box, what I didn't tell you was, the > box had to be flat meaning the contents were out of it, it took a lot of > tweaking with the settings for the colors to work with the text because as > those things tend to go, it's usually a colorful box and sometimes the text > is lighter and well Oscar did a hit and miss on one brand and read the other > brand much better. > I guess I'm too old and lack of patience to want to use something again that > required a lot of work,lol > > - Original Message - > From: "Eleni Vamvakari" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 10:28 AM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, > > >> So how does it work? That is, is OSCAR software or is it a combined >> software and hardware package? What HP scanner is required to use it >> and would I need to get a card of some kind like the TrueScan ones >> that the Arkenstone products use? >> >> Thanks, >> Eleni >> >> On 9/2/10, David Ferrin wrote: >>> I have Oscar as well although not the HP scanner any longer. I also bit >>> on >>> screen power for windows which was a total disaster. >>> David Ferrin >>> ow...@jaws-users.com >>> I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one >>> up >>> too. >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Trish" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:11 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, >>> >>> >>> wow, imagine that. I thought I was bout the only one using that.. >>> I forgot to mention this was put out by Tele-sensory as well as the Oscar >>> scanner program. >>> I remember scanning a cake mix box and being able to read the >>> instructions >>> by myself, what an awesome feeling that was. >>> I have moved onto to Open Book long time ago, and have read many things >>> still with that program too. I truly can't complain about OB. >>> Wonder if the future of scanning will include the hand writings >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "David Ferrin" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:11 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, >>> >>> >>>>I have a screen power system in the other room in fact. >>>> David Ferrin >>>> ow...@jaws-users.com >>>> I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one >>>> up >>>> too. >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Trish" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:10 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, >>>> >>>> >>>> Hey, >>>> >>>> I used a dos machine version 6 with WP/6 back in 1994. I bet no one ever >>>> heard of my screen reader or used it for that matter,it was called, >>>> Screen >>>> Power Speech*SPS* I also had my first scanner from them as well called, >>>> OSCAR. >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Alan Dicey" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:56 PM >>>> Subject: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dear ROSEMARIE , >>>>> Yes, I remember them, but I only used one at a typing Class for Blind >>>>> students, when going through the rehabilitation center for people who >>>>> lost >>>>> their vision. >>>>> The first computer I really used fo
Re: [Blind-Computing] computer museum jaws
KeyNote Gold Multimedia is for Windows. There is a project to connect JAWS for DOS with MBROLA, using a program called Interface that basically fools JAWS into thinking that MBROLA is a regular hardware synth. But I think that this is only for versions of DOS that run under Windows. So it won't work for the standalone ones to my knowledge. There's also something going on with ESpeak and FreeDOS but I can't find much information on that either. I've heard that some Sound Blaster cards can be used as synths but have never seen this. There's a program called SB Talker, which I believe comes with them, but again, I know very little about it. In general, all DOS screenreaders of which I know are designed to work with hardware speech. If anyone can give me information on the software options above, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, Eleni On 9/2/10, chris hallsworth wrote: > Oh just a thought. Would JAWS for DOS run inside a Windows 3.1/95/98 DOS > box? > > Sent using Thunderbird > > On 02/09/2010 11:42, chris hallsworth wrote: >> Hello all. >> Talking of JAWS for DOS, did it work with any software synthesizers like >> Keynote Gold Multimedia? If not then forget it; I don't have a hardware >> synthesizer to play with. >> >> >> Sent using Thunderbird >> >> On 02/09/2010 5:37, Eleni Vamvakari wrote: >>> I'm just glad that JAWS for DOS is freeware. I downloaded it and want >>> to try it. Can anyone offer me any tips? I don't like the bloating >>> and nonsense in the later versions of JFW. Most of the features are >>> unneeded by the average user and the price is outrageous. I'd rather >>> support NVDA if anything. >>> >>> Eleni >>> >>> On 9/2/10, ROSEMARIE CHAVARRIA wrote: >>>> Hi, Lennie, >>>> >>>> Wow, that's neat you met one of the men who started Jaws for dos. Jaws >>>> certainly has come a long way since the old dos days. >>>> >>>> Rosemarie >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com >>>> [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Lenny >>>> McHugh >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:48 PM >>>> To: blind computing >>>> Subject: [Blind-Computing] computer museum jaws >>>> >>>> In the very early 1980s when I first was introduced to ITS, then Total >>>> Talk and finally to Total Talk Pc, is where I first met Ted Hinter. >>>> Ted was >>>> a programmer for MCS, Maryland Computer Systems, working for Dean >>>> Blazie. >>>> After one or two winters in Maryland Ted left for warmer climate and >>>> started >>>> Hinter Joyce and developed the first jaws for dos software. Jaws has >>>> come a >>>> very long way over the past almost 25 years. I for one, am sure glad >>>> that >>>> Ted had the foresight to develop the product. >>>> --- >>>> Please visit my home page, it is motivational, educational, >>>> inspirational >>>> with a touch of humor. There is also a very extensive resource list >>>> for the >>>> blind. >>>> http://www.LennyMcHugh.com >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>> >>>> >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Zipping
Ah, okay. I didn't know how she got there, since I'm used to using Win Zip. Thanks for the clarification. On 9/2/10, Trish wrote: > I did exactly those steps last night, but thanks.. > > - Original Message - > From: "Rick Justice" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 5:06 AM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Zipping > > >> Hi Trish, >> If you want to zip a group of files using Windows XP, >> then you select the files, and then hit the applications key, and go to >> send to, and then choose compressed zip folder. >> HTH, >> Rick Justice >> - Original Message - >> From: "Trish" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 12:31 AM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Zipping >> >> >>> Hi ya, >>> >>> um, I first looked in the applications key and didn't find it, it's >>> always there when I need to unzip though.. >>> >>> Well I compressed it, is that the same thang? >>> >>> Drop box is just a method of sharing something with someone else who has >>> the same program like you would send them a send space link of something >>> you uploaded. This can be more private or personal like if you wanted to >>> send someone something just to them y'all would share a folder with each >>> other's name in your drop box, so when one of you uploads something, it >>> will go to that person's folder from the other person. I hope that made >>> sense it does to me,lol >>> >>> Trish >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Eleni Vamvakari" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:17 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Zipping >>> >>> >>>>I don't know anything about Drop Box but I can help you with Zipping. >>>> if you're using Windows, I'd suggest getting Win Zip, which is free. >>>> Once you've installed it, Go to the folder that you want to zip but >>>> don't open it, just leave it highlighted. Then, hit applications (or >>>> shift f10 if you don't have an aps key) and down arrow until you hear >>>> "Win Zip sub menu). Hit enter on that and then you'll hear "add to >>>> foldername.zip" where foldername will be substituted with the real >>>> name of the folder to be zipped. Hit enter and it will automatically >>>> zip it for you. Then, look where you have the folder stored. For >>>> example, if it's in My Documents, you should see a folder with the >>>> same name only it will say .zip if you have your computer set up to >>>> display file extentions. If not, then try opening it. If Win Zip >>>> comes up, then close the program and you know that you've found the >>>> newly zipped folder. If not, type the first letter of the name of the >>>> folder again and the second one should be the zipped one. You could >>>> also simply run a search for it by going to search from the start menu >>>> and then typing in it's name, being sure to add .zip at the end. >>>> Don't worry about the path, since the name will do fine. In your >>>> results, you should see it and you can copy it etc. >>>> >>>> It's way! easier with DOS and PKZip but since I'm sure that your using >>>> a Windows machine and that files aren't in the root directory of C, >>>> finding the shortened name of the subdirectory that Windows uses can >>>> be a headache. But for anyone else who may want it, here's the >>>> command. Trish, feel free to ignore this, as your directions are the >>>> first ones. >>>> >>>> "Pkzip c:\foldername c:" or the final C can be replaced with A, B or >>>> any other drive name depending on the destination of the file. >>>> >>>> Good luck, >>>> Eleni >>>> >>>> On 9/1/10, Trish wrote: >>>>> Anybody still awake to answer this?? >>>>> >>>>> How do I zip a bunch of stuff in a folder to send or do I need to do it >>>>> >>>>> this >>>>> way for drop box? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks ya, >>>>> >>>>> Trish >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum,
So how does it work? That is, is OSCAR software or is it a combined software and hardware package? What HP scanner is required to use it and would I need to get a card of some kind like the TrueScan ones that the Arkenstone products use? Thanks, Eleni On 9/2/10, David Ferrin wrote: > I have Oscar as well although not the HP scanner any longer. I also bit on > screen power for windows which was a total disaster. > David Ferrin > ow...@jaws-users.com > I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up > too. > - Original Message - > From: "Trish" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:11 AM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, > > > wow, imagine that. I thought I was bout the only one using that.. > I forgot to mention this was put out by Tele-sensory as well as the Oscar > scanner program. > I remember scanning a cake mix box and being able to read the instructions > by myself, what an awesome feeling that was. > I have moved onto to Open Book long time ago, and have read many things > still with that program too. I truly can't complain about OB. > Wonder if the future of scanning will include the hand writings > > - Original Message - > From: "David Ferrin" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 6:11 AM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, > > >>I have a screen power system in the other room in fact. >> David Ferrin >> ow...@jaws-users.com >> I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one >> up >> too. >> - Original Message - >> From: "Trish" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, >> >> >> Hey, >> >> I used a dos machine version 6 with WP/6 back in 1994. I bet no one ever >> heard of my screen reader or used it for that matter,it was called, Screen >> Power Speech*SPS* I also had my first scanner from them as well called, >> OSCAR. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Alan Dicey" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:56 PM >> Subject: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, >> >> >>> Dear ROSEMARIE , >>> Yes, I remember them, but I only used one at a typing Class for Blind >>> students, when going through the rehabilitation center for people who >>> lost >>> their vision. >>> The first computer I really used for Work or home was the IBM PC. >>> Good old DOS was nice. >>> I used WordStar mostly on it, but WordPerfect also! >>> >>> I used a 19 inch monitor with hardware to magnify the screen, from V-Tek >>> Wow, was all that stuff so primitive compared to today's stuff! >>> LOL! >>> >>> Nice memories though, never, never thought about a "crash", it just never >>> happened! >>> With Best Regards, >>> Alan >>> Miami, Florida >>> Alan Dicey, President >>> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA >>> "Yes, Blind or Visually Impaired People Can, and Do, Play Chess!!!" >>> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: >>> http://AmericanBlindChess.org >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "ROSEMARIE CHAVARRIA" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:50 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, >>> >>> Hi, Alan, Do you remember the Apple II E? That was the very first computer I learned to operate. I remember there were two drives side by side. The first one was for your speech program like word rap or word talk which is what I used. The second drive was for the floppy disk that you stored information on. If I remember correctly, control L turned the voice on and off. I almost bought an Apple II E from someone but I didn't have quite enough money to pay for it. I sure loved that machine though. It wasn't that hard to learn to operate either. Rosemarie -Original Message- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Alan Dicey Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:44 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, Dear Kim, Oh yes! Vert, it was later called Soft Vert! Nice simple program! But it was just the software to make the hardware work, and one could use Accent, Echo,Votrax, oh, so many different ones. I remember you could purchase a Echo sound card from Radio Shack for about $80 and then you could use a computer without sight! Big difference now with JAWS almost a thousand dollars! And those 5 and 1/2 inch floppy disks, that held 362 K of data! LOL! I can hardly believe it! In 1985, I purchased an external hard drive, to go with my IBM PC. It was 30 MB! It cost $900 Can you believe that? I have single cuts of music that are larger than 30 MB! and my T-Drives cost about $79 each! LO
Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum,
Well, Ebay is full of Apples, including IIEs. So it might be worth investigating. If you mean the golf game by Jim Kitchen, that's still available at his site, along with several other cool DOS games and even cooler utilities! Thank The Gods that someone's enlightened enough to not delete his DOS things from the net... On 9/2/10, ROSEMARIE CHAVARRIA wrote: > Hi, Maria, > > I remember the old dos games too. One time I played the talking golf game > and that was really neat. Wish I could see an old Apple II E again. > > Rosemarie > > > > -Original Message- > From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com > [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:29 PM > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, > > Ah yes, how well I remember the good old days of the Texas Instruments > TI-99/4A and the cartridges and cassettes that ran it. > Then came the highly advanced Apple II/E, with good old Echo speech and > WordTalk. > I sure did enjoy some of the DOS games, like Destination Mars, on my > Windows95 PC. > I wish I could remember what I payed for JAWS1. > > > Sunny Day > Maria Campbell > lucky1i...@sbcglobal.net > > When the power of love > is stronger than the love of power > then the world will know peace. > > > On 9/1/2010 11:57 PM, ROSEMARIE CHAVARRIA wrote: >> Hi, David and Kim, >> >> I also took a computer class in the mid 80's and learned the Apple II E >> which also had two floppy disks. I remember when the two drives were side > by >> side instead of up and down like they are now. I learned a program called >> word talk. I wish they still had those computers. >> >> Rosemarie >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com >> [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin >> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:26 PM >> To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, >> >> That's the program I first learned on and there is still a vert package >> laying around here in the other room. >> David Ferrin >> ow...@jaws-users.com >> I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one > up >> too. >> - Original Message - >> From: "Kim Kelly" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, >> >> >> I remember taking a computer class in the mid 80s, and we used a huge >> computer and two floppy disks and we used a speech program called "Vert >> Plus". >> Has anyone heard of that speech synthesizer? I thought that class was so >> fascinating. >> >> Learning Doss and all of those commands. >> What memories. >> >> >> >> Kim Kelly >> >> Clarkston Washington >> >> Email and facebook: >> kim...@clearwire.net >> >> Alternative E-mail: >> >> kim...@samobile.net >> >> skype: >> >> kblinky971 >> >> >> Visit my website >> http://www.samobile.net/users/kimk59/ >> >> Keep on smiling and everyone will wonder what you've been up too. >> author unknown >> - Original Message - >> From: "Lenny McHugh" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, >> >> >>> Well, my first PC type computer was Maryland Computer Systems ITS, >>> information through speech. I then upgraded to total talk PC again by > Dean >>> Blazie. >>> Then at home Karen won an 8088 Packard Bell xt computer. With that system >>> I used jaws for dos. I believe that in the mid 1980s is when I purchased >>> jaws for windows 1 for windows 3.0. At that time I hated windows and > still >>> am not a fan of PCs. Give me my old big mainframes. B5500, B6700 then > into >>> the larger IBM mainframes. The first computer that I worked on was an RCA >>> spectra 70 and the IBM 1401. >>> On these systems I had to write my own read /write macros and multiply > and >>> divide routines. That was a lot of fun. >>> For the ITS, it was the world's first talking computer linked to an IBM >>> mainframe. When it was linked a news release was sent out through AP. I >>> started receiving calls from all around the world inquiring about it. >>> -- >>> From: "heather kd5cbl" >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:07 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, >>> One of my favorite system is weird! It was a 280 or 480 something back in the 80s. We had to use vex. I remember that we thought it was the coolest thing. That was when you had two floppy drives and about 2 or three buttons to turn the computer on. That thing is still probley working today! I remember we took the computer apart in school to see how the components worked. Remember that is when it took two folks to carry it or maybe it is because we were so little. I just remember playing that typing game where you hit a key before the ghost get
Re: [Blind-Computing] computer museum, makes me feel old
Well, if you ever stop in NJ and if I have it out, I'll let you play with the Vert. My Keynote doesn't do that! It had a printer? So cool! Mine is a laptop with a stripped down version of MS-DOS 6.21, Windows 3.1 and WordPerfect built-in. I acquired a KeyNote Gold PC once, but a very sad thing happened. I turned it on and it asked for the system disk. I had a disk but don't remember if it was the right one and I was just afraid of messing it up or not. But I know where that laptop is, and if I can find that disk and if it's the right one, I'll try it to see how it works. That one's way older than the KeyNote Gold that I'm used to using and it actually has a built-in synth with speaker! Mine has the Voicecard synth in it that I love so much. I just don't like the fragility of the cord and wish that it was built-in like in the other one. On the other hand, I can actually put this one in another laptop with a pcmcia slot so opa! Ah, I want a KeyNote Gold SA synthesizer... But seven years into my search and I'm still no closer to finding one... Eleni On 9/1/10, heather kd5cbl wrote: > AH, that was the one, Vert, think I got the name wrong smiles. I wish I > could see one again! Just like I wish I could get a hold of those old > keynote golds. You know the plastic computer that was a 82, 84 or 86 K. > Let me see if I remember the message when you turn it on: "Keynote, keyword, > version 1.3 84 k main minue!" In that robotic voice. It had a little > printer on it using that adding machine paper. I used to do all my papers > on it elementary school. I wish I could get one of those too! I don't know > if anyone has used one of those! It could only hold ten files at a time. > It had that plastic carrying case and it was so heavy compared to the ones > like the braille-notes of today! Heather > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] computer museum jaws
Yep. You can find at the Freedom Scientific site under the older downloads section. That is, if they haven't changed it. Let me know if you have problems finding it and I'll give you the actual link. Eleni On 9/2/10, ROSEMARIE CHAVARRIA wrote: > Hi, Eleni, > > I didn't know Jaws for dos was free. I agree that the price for later > versions of Jaws is os outrageous! I'd rather help NVDA too if anything. If > I wanted to get jaws for dos, where would I go to download it? > > Rosemarie > > > > -Original Message- > From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com > [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Eleni Vamvakari > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:38 PM > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] computer museum jaws > > I'm just glad that JAWS for DOS is freeware. I downloaded it and want > to try it. Can anyone offer me any tips? I don't like the bloating > and nonsense in the later versions of JFW. Most of the features are > unneeded by the average user and the price is outrageous. I'd rather > support NVDA if anything. > > Eleni > > On 9/2/10, ROSEMARIE CHAVARRIA wrote: >> Hi, Lennie, >> >> Wow, that's neat you met one of the men who started Jaws for dos. Jaws >> certainly has come a long way since the old dos days. >> >> Rosemarie >> >> -Original Message- >> From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com >> [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Lenny McHugh >> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:48 PM >> To: blind computing >> Subject: [Blind-Computing] computer museum jaws >> >> In the very early 1980s when I first was introduced to ITS, then Total >> Talk and finally to Total Talk Pc, is where I first met Ted Hinter. Ted > was >> a programmer for MCS, Maryland Computer Systems, working for Dean Blazie. >> After one or two winters in Maryland Ted left for warmer climate and > started >> Hinter Joyce and developed the first jaws for dos software. Jaws has come > a >> very long way over the past almost 25 years. I for one, am sure glad that >> Ted had the foresight to develop the product. >> --- >> Please visit my home page, it is motivational, educational, inspirational >> with a touch of humor. There is also a very extensive resource list for > the >> blind. >> http://www.LennyMcHugh.com >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum,
Wow! That screenreader stumped me and I make it my business to learn about as much old adaptive tech as possible! I've definitely heard of OSCAR and would love to get my hands online because it sounds very interesting. On 9/2/10, Trish wrote: > Hey, > > I used a dos machine version 6 with WP/6 back in 1994. I bet no one ever > heard of my screen reader or used it for that matter,it was called, Screen > Power Speech*SPS* I also had my first scanner from them as well called, > OSCAR. > > - Original Message - > From: "Alan Dicey" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:56 PM > Subject: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, > > >> Dear ROSEMARIE , >> Yes, I remember them, but I only used one at a typing Class for Blind >> students, when going through the rehabilitation center for people who lost >> >> their vision. >> The first computer I really used for Work or home was the IBM PC. >> Good old DOS was nice. >> I used WordStar mostly on it, but WordPerfect also! >> >> I used a 19 inch monitor with hardware to magnify the screen, from V-Tek >> Wow, was all that stuff so primitive compared to today's stuff! >> LOL! >> >> Nice memories though, never, never thought about a "crash", it just never >> happened! >> With Best Regards, >> Alan >> Miami, Florida >> Alan Dicey, President >> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA >> "Yes, Blind or Visually Impaired People Can, and Do, Play Chess!!!" >> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: >> http://AmericanBlindChess.org >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "ROSEMARIE CHAVARRIA" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, >> >> >>> Hi, Alan, >>> >>> Do you remember the Apple II E? That was the very first computer I >>> learned >>> to operate. I remember there were two drives side by side. The first one >>> was >>> for your speech program like word rap or word talk which is what I used. >>> The >>> second drive was for the floppy disk that you stored information on. If I >>> remember correctly, control L turned the voice on and off. I almost >>> bought >>> an Apple II E from someone but I didn't have quite enough money to pay >>> for >>> it. I sure loved that machine though. It wasn't that hard to learn to >>> operate either. >>> >>> Rosemarie >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com >>> [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Alan Dicey >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:44 PM >>> To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com >>> Subject: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, >>> >>> Dear Kim, >>> Oh yes! >>> >>> Vert, it was later called Soft Vert! >>> Nice simple program! >>> >>> But it was just the software to make the hardware work, and one could use >>> Accent, Echo,Votrax, oh, so many different ones. >>> I remember you could purchase a Echo sound card from Radio Shack for >>> about >>> $80 and then you could use a computer without sight! >>> >>> Big difference now with JAWS almost a thousand dollars! >>> >>> And those 5 and 1/2 inch floppy disks, that held 362 K of data! >>> LOL! >>> >>> I can hardly believe it! >>> >>> In 1985, I purchased an external hard drive, to go with my IBM PC. >>> It was 30 MB! >>> >>> It cost $900 >>> Can you believe that? >>> >>> I have single cuts of music that are larger than 30 MB! >>> and my T-Drives cost about $79 each! >>> >>> LOL! >>> With Best Regards, >>> Alan >>> Miami, Florida >>> Alan Dicey, President >>> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA >>> "Yes, Blind or Visually Impaired People Can, and Do, Play Chess!!!" >>> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: >>> http://AmericanBlindChess.org >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Kim Kelly" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:32 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, >>> >>> I remember taking a computer class in the mid 80s, and we used a huge computer and two floppy disks and we used a speech program called "Vert Plus". Has anyone heard of that speech synthesizer? I thought that class was so fascinating. Learning Doss and all of those commands. What memories. Kim Kelly Clarkston Washington Email and facebook: kim...@clearwire.net Alternative E-mail: kim...@samobile.net skype: kblinky971 Visit my website http://www.samobile.net/users/kimk59/ Keep on smiling and everyone will wonder what you've been up too. author unknown - Original Message - From: "Lenny McHugh" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, > Well, my first PC type computer was Maryland Computer Systems ITS, > information through speech. I then upgraded to total talk PC again by > Dean Blazie. > Then at home Kar
Re: [Blind-Computing] Zipping
lol I thought it was pretty obvious that Sendspace was an example... In any case, interesting. On 9/2/10, Trish wrote: > Hi again, > > Well what I meant to say in regards to the drop box is, I just used the send > space as an example, you don't use send space for drop box. > > And another thing is, like if I sent you an email of something in my drop > box, it would give you a link to download it, but you do not have to have > the drop box installed. > > There now that makes more sense... > > Have a good evening er what's left of it,lol > > Trish > > - Original Message - > From: "Eleni Vamvakari" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:41 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Zipping > > >> Yes. Compressing is the same. But I don't have that option in my >> version of Win Zip. I think Windows itself has that option, so that >> may have been what you used. In any case, the same applies about >> looking for the zipped folder. Thanks for the description of Drop >> Box. It certainly made sense. Let us know if you have any more >> questions. >> >> Take care, >> Eleni >> >> On 9/2/10, Trish wrote: >>> Hi ya, >>> >>> um, I first looked in the applications key and didn't find it, it's >>> always >>> there when I need to unzip though.. >>> >>> Well I compressed it, is that the same thang? >>> >>> Drop box is just a method of sharing something with someone else who has >>> the >>> same program like you would send them a send space link of something you >>> uploaded. This can be more private or personal like if you wanted to send >>> someone something just to them y'all would share a folder with each >>> other's >>> name in your drop box, so when one of you uploads something, it will go >>> to >>> that person's folder from the other person. I hope that made sense it >>> does >>> to me,lol >>> >>> Trish >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Eleni Vamvakari" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:17 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Zipping >>> >>> >>>>I don't know anything about Drop Box but I can help you with Zipping. >>>> if you're using Windows, I'd suggest getting Win Zip, which is free. >>>> Once you've installed it, Go to the folder that you want to zip but >>>> don't open it, just leave it highlighted. Then, hit applications (or >>>> shift f10 if you don't have an aps key) and down arrow until you hear >>>> "Win Zip sub menu). Hit enter on that and then you'll hear "add to >>>> foldername.zip" where foldername will be substituted with the real >>>> name of the folder to be zipped. Hit enter and it will automatically >>>> zip it for you. Then, look where you have the folder stored. For >>>> example, if it's in My Documents, you should see a folder with the >>>> same name only it will say .zip if you have your computer set up to >>>> display file extentions. If not, then try opening it. If Win Zip >>>> comes up, then close the program and you know that you've found the >>>> newly zipped folder. If not, type the first letter of the name of the >>>> folder again and the second one should be the zipped one. You could >>>> also simply run a search for it by going to search from the start menu >>>> and then typing in it's name, being sure to add .zip at the end. >>>> Don't worry about the path, since the name will do fine. In your >>>> results, you should see it and you can copy it etc. >>>> >>>> It's way! easier with DOS and PKZip but since I'm sure that your using >>>> a Windows machine and that files aren't in the root directory of C, >>>> finding the shortened name of the subdirectory that Windows uses can >>>> be a headache. But for anyone else who may want it, here's the >>>> command. Trish, feel free to ignore this, as your directions are the >>>> first ones. >>>> >>>> "Pkzip c:\foldername c:" or the final C can be replaced with A, B or >>>> any other drive name depending on the destination of the file. >>>> >>>> Good luck, >>>> Eleni >>>> >>>> On 9/1/10, Trish wrote: >>>>> Anybody still awake to answer this?? >>>>> >>>>> How do I zip a bunch of stuff in a folder to send or do I need to do it >>>>> this >>>>> way for drop box? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks ya, >>>>> >>>>> Trish >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum,
Maybe, one day, i'll play around with Word Star or an advanced clone of it. But if I use a newer computer, I'll need to remap the keys to the diamond, where the control is to the left of the a, to make things easier. I've never had a DOS machine crash on me, though with one of my two KeyNote Golds, KeySoft always freezes the computer. I don't know why and can't reinstall it because I don't have the disks. So I just don't use that program on there and stick with WordPerfect. On 9/2/10, Alan Dicey wrote: > Dear ROSEMARIE , > Yes, I remember them, but I only used one at a typing Class for Blind > students, when going through the rehabilitation center for people who lost > their vision. > The first computer I really used for Work or home was the IBM PC. > Good old DOS was nice. > I used WordStar mostly on it, but WordPerfect also! > > I used a 19 inch monitor with hardware to magnify the screen, from V-Tek > Wow, was all that stuff so primitive compared to today's stuff! > LOL! > > Nice memories though, never, never thought about a "crash", it just never > happened! > With Best Regards, > Alan > Miami, Florida > Alan Dicey, President > United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA > "Yes, Blind or Visually Impaired People Can, and Do, Play Chess!!!" > United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: > http://AmericanBlindChess.org > > - Original Message - > From: "ROSEMARIE CHAVARRIA" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, > > >> Hi, Alan, >> >> Do you remember the Apple II E? That was the very first computer I learned >> to operate. I remember there were two drives side by side. The first one >> was >> for your speech program like word rap or word talk which is what I used. >> The >> second drive was for the floppy disk that you stored information on. If I >> remember correctly, control L turned the voice on and off. I almost bought >> an Apple II E from someone but I didn't have quite enough money to pay for >> it. I sure loved that machine though. It wasn't that hard to learn to >> operate either. >> >> Rosemarie >> >> -Original Message- >> From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com >> [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Alan Dicey >> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:44 PM >> To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com >> Subject: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, >> >> Dear Kim, >> Oh yes! >> >> Vert, it was later called Soft Vert! >> Nice simple program! >> >> But it was just the software to make the hardware work, and one could use >> Accent, Echo,Votrax, oh, so many different ones. >> I remember you could purchase a Echo sound card from Radio Shack for about >> $80 and then you could use a computer without sight! >> >> Big difference now with JAWS almost a thousand dollars! >> >> And those 5 and 1/2 inch floppy disks, that held 362 K of data! >> LOL! >> >> I can hardly believe it! >> >> In 1985, I purchased an external hard drive, to go with my IBM PC. >> It was 30 MB! >> >> It cost $900 >> Can you believe that? >> >> I have single cuts of music that are larger than 30 MB! >> and my T-Drives cost about $79 each! >> >> LOL! >> With Best Regards, >> Alan >> Miami, Florida >> Alan Dicey, President >> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA >> "Yes, Blind or Visually Impaired People Can, and Do, Play Chess!!!" >> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: >> http://AmericanBlindChess.org >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Kim Kelly" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, >> >> >>>I remember taking a computer class in the mid 80s, and we used a huge >>>computer and two floppy disks and we used a speech program called "Vert >>>Plus". >>> Has anyone heard of that speech synthesizer? I thought that class was so >>> fascinating. >>> >>> Learning Doss and all of those commands. >>> What memories. >>> >>> >>> >>> Kim Kelly >>> >>> Clarkston Washington >>> >>> Email and facebook: >>> kim...@clearwire.net >>> >>> Alternative E-mail: >>> >>> kim...@samobile.net >>> >>> skype: >>> >>> kblinky971 >>> >>> >>> Visit my website >>> http://www.samobile.net/users/kimk59/ >>> >>> Keep on smiling and everyone will wonder what you've been up too. >>> author unknown >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Lenny McHugh" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:50 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, >>> >>> Well, my first PC type computer was Maryland Computer Systems ITS, information through speech. I then upgraded to total talk PC again by Dean Blazie. Then at home Karen won an 8088 Packard Bell xt computer. With that system >> I used jaws for dos. I believe that in the mid 1980s is when I purchased jaws for windows 1 for windows 3.0. At that time I hated windows and still am not a fan of PCs. Give me my old big mainframes. B5500, B6700
Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum,
Oddly enough, those Texas Instruments synths are all over the place on Ebay. Yet finding others is always hit or miss. I once had a beautiful tape recorder that actually had instructions on how to use it with a computer! The sound was incredible on any tape that I used with it. Sadly, I foolishly plugged the wrong adapter into it and blew out the volts. But if I still have it, I want to see if I can have it repaired, and if not, then I'll look for the box so that I can find the model and look for it. DOS games are great. I'm just terrible with direction so the ones that require me to go through maizes or to remember specific details about locations confuse me enough that I don't play them. On 9/2/10, Eleni Vamvakari wrote: > Yeah, the Echos are strange. I have at least one (maybe two) for the > Apple and two for the PC. Both of the pc ones connect via a serial > port but one has a knob that protrudes out and the other has a dial > like on a radio. I think one has slightly better speech than the > other. I once connected an Echo to one of my XP machines to see if it > would work and it did but wow! lol The poor thing couldn't keep up > with Windows and was going nuts! I also have something that I bought > off of Ebay called a Super Talker. They say it's a 70's synth for the > Apple but I've never opened the box since the computer is in storage. > It appears, from the tiny glance that I took, to be a card of some > type. I don't have the IIE but I did use one in elementary school. > But it had the drives stacked ontop of one another, not side by side. > That said, I do have a very slim dual disk drive that might be for an > Apple IIE. I got alot of stuff from my high school because they were > throwing all of their Apple things away and knew that I loved them. > > Eleni > > On 9/2/10, ROSEMARIE CHAVARRIA wrote: >> Hi, Kim, >> >> I think that's the synthesizer we used two. In my class we used a program >> called word talk. I remember the two floppy disks too. It was really >> funny >> how the speech would pronounce certain words. For instance, when it said >> "friends", it sounded like someone with a Southern accent. It also >> pronounced "Chicago" like you'd say "chicken". I thought that was >> hilarious! >> >> Rosemarie >> >> -Original Message- >> From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com >> [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Kim Kelly >> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:33 PM >> To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, >> >> I remember taking a computer class in the mid 80s, and we used a huge >> computer and two floppy disks and we used a speech program called "Vert >> Plus". >> Has anyone heard of that speech synthesizer? I thought that class was so >> fascinating. >> >> Learning Doss and all of those commands. >> What memories. >> >> >> >> Kim Kelly >> >> Clarkston Washington >> >> Email and facebook: >> kim...@clearwire.net >> >> Alternative E-mail: >> >> kim...@samobile.net >> >> skype: >> >> kblinky971 >> >> >> Visit my website >> http://www.samobile.net/users/kimk59/ >> >> Keep on smiling and everyone will wonder what you've been up too. >> author unknown >> - Original Message - >> From: "Lenny McHugh" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, >> >> >>> Well, my first PC type computer was Maryland Computer Systems ITS, >>> information through speech. I then upgraded to total talk PC again by >>> Dean >> >>> Blazie. >>> Then at home Karen won an 8088 Packard Bell xt computer. With that >>> system >>> I used jaws for dos. I believe that in the mid 1980s is when I purchased >>> jaws for windows 1 for windows 3.0. At that time I hated windows and >>> still >> >>> am not a fan of PCs. Give me my old big mainframes. B5500, B6700 then >>> into >> >>> the larger IBM mainframes. The first computer that I worked on was an >>> RCA >>> spectra 70 and the IBM 1401. >>> On these systems I had to write my own read /write macros and multiply >>> and >> >>> divide routines. That was a lot of fun. >>> For the ITS, it was the world's first talking computer linked to an IBM >>> mainframe. When it was linked a news release was sent out through A
Re: [Blind-Computing] Zipping
Yes. Compressing is the same. But I don't have that option in my version of Win Zip. I think Windows itself has that option, so that may have been what you used. In any case, the same applies about looking for the zipped folder. Thanks for the description of Drop Box. It certainly made sense. Let us know if you have any more questions. Take care, Eleni On 9/2/10, Trish wrote: > Hi ya, > > um, I first looked in the applications key and didn't find it, it's always > there when I need to unzip though.. > > Well I compressed it, is that the same thang? > > Drop box is just a method of sharing something with someone else who has the > same program like you would send them a send space link of something you > uploaded. This can be more private or personal like if you wanted to send > someone something just to them y'all would share a folder with each other's > name in your drop box, so when one of you uploads something, it will go to > that person's folder from the other person. I hope that made sense it does > to me,lol > > Trish > > - Original Message - > From: "Eleni Vamvakari" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Zipping > > >>I don't know anything about Drop Box but I can help you with Zipping. >> if you're using Windows, I'd suggest getting Win Zip, which is free. >> Once you've installed it, Go to the folder that you want to zip but >> don't open it, just leave it highlighted. Then, hit applications (or >> shift f10 if you don't have an aps key) and down arrow until you hear >> "Win Zip sub menu). Hit enter on that and then you'll hear "add to >> foldername.zip" where foldername will be substituted with the real >> name of the folder to be zipped. Hit enter and it will automatically >> zip it for you. Then, look where you have the folder stored. For >> example, if it's in My Documents, you should see a folder with the >> same name only it will say .zip if you have your computer set up to >> display file extentions. If not, then try opening it. If Win Zip >> comes up, then close the program and you know that you've found the >> newly zipped folder. If not, type the first letter of the name of the >> folder again and the second one should be the zipped one. You could >> also simply run a search for it by going to search from the start menu >> and then typing in it's name, being sure to add .zip at the end. >> Don't worry about the path, since the name will do fine. In your >> results, you should see it and you can copy it etc. >> >> It's way! easier with DOS and PKZip but since I'm sure that your using >> a Windows machine and that files aren't in the root directory of C, >> finding the shortened name of the subdirectory that Windows uses can >> be a headache. But for anyone else who may want it, here's the >> command. Trish, feel free to ignore this, as your directions are the >> first ones. >> >> "Pkzip c:\foldername c:" or the final C can be replaced with A, B or >> any other drive name depending on the destination of the file. >> >> Good luck, >> Eleni >> >> On 9/1/10, Trish wrote: >>> Anybody still awake to answer this?? >>> >>> How do I zip a bunch of stuff in a folder to send or do I need to do it >>> this >>> way for drop box? >>> >>> Thanks ya, >>> >>> Trish >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] computer museum jaws
I'm just glad that JAWS for DOS is freeware. I downloaded it and want to try it. Can anyone offer me any tips? I don't like the bloating and nonsense in the later versions of JFW. Most of the features are unneeded by the average user and the price is outrageous. I'd rather support NVDA if anything. Eleni On 9/2/10, ROSEMARIE CHAVARRIA wrote: > Hi, Lennie, > > Wow, that's neat you met one of the men who started Jaws for dos. Jaws > certainly has come a long way since the old dos days. > > Rosemarie > > -Original Message- > From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com > [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Lenny McHugh > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:48 PM > To: blind computing > Subject: [Blind-Computing] computer museum jaws > > In the very early 1980s when I first was introduced to ITS, then Total > Talk and finally to Total Talk Pc, is where I first met Ted Hinter. Ted was > a programmer for MCS, Maryland Computer Systems, working for Dean Blazie. > After one or two winters in Maryland Ted left for warmer climate and started > Hinter Joyce and developed the first jaws for dos software. Jaws has come a > very long way over the past almost 25 years. I for one, am sure glad that > Ted had the foresight to develop the product. > --- > Please visit my home page, it is motivational, educational, inspirational > with a touch of humor. There is also a very extensive resource list for the > blind. > http://www.LennyMcHugh.com > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum,
Yeah, the Echos are strange. I have at least one (maybe two) for the Apple and two for the PC. Both of the pc ones connect via a serial port but one has a knob that protrudes out and the other has a dial like on a radio. I think one has slightly better speech than the other. I once connected an Echo to one of my XP machines to see if it would work and it did but wow! lol The poor thing couldn't keep up with Windows and was going nuts! I also have something that I bought off of Ebay called a Super Talker. They say it's a 70's synth for the Apple but I've never opened the box since the computer is in storage. It appears, from the tiny glance that I took, to be a card of some type. I don't have the IIE but I did use one in elementary school. But it had the drives stacked ontop of one another, not side by side. That said, I do have a very slim dual disk drive that might be for an Apple IIE. I got alot of stuff from my high school because they were throwing all of their Apple things away and knew that I loved them. Eleni On 9/2/10, ROSEMARIE CHAVARRIA wrote: > Hi, Kim, > > I think that's the synthesizer we used two. In my class we used a program > called word talk. I remember the two floppy disks too. It was really funny > how the speech would pronounce certain words. For instance, when it said > "friends", it sounded like someone with a Southern accent. It also > pronounced "Chicago" like you'd say "chicken". I thought that was hilarious! > > Rosemarie > > -Original Message- > From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com > [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Kim Kelly > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:33 PM > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, > > I remember taking a computer class in the mid 80s, and we used a huge > computer and two floppy disks and we used a speech program called "Vert > Plus". > Has anyone heard of that speech synthesizer? I thought that class was so > fascinating. > > Learning Doss and all of those commands. > What memories. > > > > Kim Kelly > > Clarkston Washington > > Email and facebook: > kim...@clearwire.net > > Alternative E-mail: > > kim...@samobile.net > > skype: > > kblinky971 > > > Visit my website > http://www.samobile.net/users/kimk59/ > > Keep on smiling and everyone will wonder what you've been up too. > author unknown > - Original Message - > From: "Lenny McHugh" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, > > >> Well, my first PC type computer was Maryland Computer Systems ITS, >> information through speech. I then upgraded to total talk PC again by Dean > >> Blazie. >> Then at home Karen won an 8088 Packard Bell xt computer. With that system >> I used jaws for dos. I believe that in the mid 1980s is when I purchased >> jaws for windows 1 for windows 3.0. At that time I hated windows and still > >> am not a fan of PCs. Give me my old big mainframes. B5500, B6700 then into > >> the larger IBM mainframes. The first computer that I worked on was an RCA >> spectra 70 and the IBM 1401. >> On these systems I had to write my own read /write macros and multiply and > >> divide routines. That was a lot of fun. >> For the ITS, it was the world's first talking computer linked to an IBM >> mainframe. When it was linked a news release was sent out through AP. I >> started receiving calls from all around the world inquiring about it. >> -- >> From: "heather kd5cbl" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:07 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, >> >>> One of my favorite system is weird! It was a 280 or 480 something back >>> in the 80s. We had to use vex. I remember that we thought it was the >>> coolest thing. That was when you had two floppy drives and about 2 or >>> three buttons to turn the computer on. That thing is still probley >>> working today! I remember we took the computer apart in school to see >>> how the components worked. Remember that is when it took two folks to >>> carry it or maybe it is because we were so little. I just remember >>> playing that typing game where you hit a key before the ghost gets you. >>> And I remember all the commands just to make the computer function. You >>> had to do it in the exact order or you had to do it all over again. I >>> remember having to type "win" inter to make the windows come up. I >>> remember that if you wanted to spell check something, you had to put >>> another flopp disk in that had the dictionary or part of it to get the >>> correct word. I liked my old dos based commands. I was real >>> disappointed when you did not have the direct access to windows root >>> comands. I mean you can still have access but, dos was just so much more > >>> efficient. Heather >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>
Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum?
My favourite operating system was and is DOS. I've used the Microsoft varient but am looking into trying the newer ones which have far greater capabilities. I'm still experimenting with software but have always been a VocalEyes user. I love WordPerfect 5.1, NoteWorthy (maybe CalcWorthy once I learn how to use it) and think that I'll enjoy NetTamer but that remains to be seen. As for Windows, I'm using Xp right now and see no point in upgrading. I enjoy the NVDA screenreader with ESpeak always set to Greek, WordWeb, Firefox, Windows Media Player, MSN Messenger, Notepad and Wordpad and Klango. I've used Kurzweil but am looking for something else for comparison and would love to find some good scanning software for DOS as well. Second Chance sounds really neat! I wonder if it's still made for XP? Isn't that always so, Alan, that the older stuff keeps on working when the new stuff breaks down? I have at least 14 computers (most of them are not hooked up) and the ones that keep working are the oldest, though I think my Apple IIC has a problem with the monitor. I've got a KeyNote Gold laptop that's 14-years-old at the minimum and it's still chugging away. My IBM Thinkpad X32, which I just got this year and which is six-years-old is the one I'm using now. My Macbook, which is only two-years-old broke down four or five times and the stupid Acer Aspire One completely bombed out after less than a year of use. I should play with 98 a bit. I pretty much went from 95 to XP. Talk soon, Eleni On 9/1/10, ROSEMARIE CHAVARRIA wrote: > Hi, Chris, > > My favorite operating system was windows 98. See message on other list. > > Rosemarie > > > > -Original Message- > From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com > [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of chris > hallsworth > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:58 PM > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Subject: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum? > > Hello all! > what was your favourite operating system in the history of computing? > Also what about software? My favourite operating system in the history > of computing is probably Windows 95 and I was using JAWS as my screen > reader. My favourite software was a product by PowerQuest called Second > Chance. (I wonder if anyone remembers having that preinstalled on their > old machines?) I certainly did and it was brilliant! The program is > basically System Restore but for data as well as system. What Second > Chance did was created "checkpoints" at regular intervals. You can then > restore individual files and folders, or even an entire system, to that > particular checkpoint. Checkpoint 1 was always the "initial" checkpoint > either after Second Chance was first installed or you have enabled a > drive to be monitored after it being disabled. One problem Second Chance > did do was corrupt the JAWS authorization keys that were used way back > then. You know, the ones that consisted of a special floppy disk? This > is because, as I soon found out, a hidden/system file jfw.cps was backed > up by Second Chance each time JAWS modified it. So of course when you > restored an entire system to an earlier checkpoint you lost > authorization in the process. But apart from that it was brilliant! How > I wish they'd brought it back to make it work for Windows 7! > > -- > Sent using Thunderbird > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Zipping
I don't know anything about Drop Box but I can help you with Zipping. if you're using Windows, I'd suggest getting Win Zip, which is free. Once you've installed it, Go to the folder that you want to zip but don't open it, just leave it highlighted. Then, hit applications (or shift f10 if you don't have an aps key) and down arrow until you hear "Win Zip sub menu). Hit enter on that and then you'll hear "add to foldername.zip" where foldername will be substituted with the real name of the folder to be zipped. Hit enter and it will automatically zip it for you. Then, look where you have the folder stored. For example, if it's in My Documents, you should see a folder with the same name only it will say .zip if you have your computer set up to display file extentions. If not, then try opening it. If Win Zip comes up, then close the program and you know that you've found the newly zipped folder. If not, type the first letter of the name of the folder again and the second one should be the zipped one. You could also simply run a search for it by going to search from the start menu and then typing in it's name, being sure to add .zip at the end. Don't worry about the path, since the name will do fine. In your results, you should see it and you can copy it etc. It's way! easier with DOS and PKZip but since I'm sure that your using a Windows machine and that files aren't in the root directory of C, finding the shortened name of the subdirectory that Windows uses can be a headache. But for anyone else who may want it, here's the command. Trish, feel free to ignore this, as your directions are the first ones. "Pkzip c:\foldername c:" or the final C can be replaced with A, B or any other drive name depending on the destination of the file. Good luck, Eleni On 9/1/10, Trish wrote: > Anybody still awake to answer this?? > > How do I zip a bunch of stuff in a folder to send or do I need to do it this > way for drop box? > > Thanks ya, > > Trish > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum,
Heather, thanks for your post. You might want to check out the modern versions of DOS like Enhanced DR-DOS etc. And also the 36 Fallacies of DOS. I'll gladly send you a file of links with all sorts of information etc. if you're interested. I extend that offer to anyone else as well. The machine certainly sounds interesting. Lenny, wow! I didn't know that main frames could talk? I bet you have all sorts of knowledge that I'd love to learn! Do you remember the synthesizer that it used? I really loving exploring and listening to various speech synthesizers? Kim, I have the entire Vert Plus package, including the floppies, the Tracker program and the synthesizer. I adore the synth, because it has the same voice as the KeyNote Golds but I could never wrap my head around how to use that software. lol It has more commands than DOS itself! Can the Vert synthesizer be used with another screenreader? That would be so cool! But I've never seen a different screen reader that offered that option. Perhaps, I could tell it that it's a generic serial synth? I love my compact flash cards. I just need to find a good reader and/or adapter and software for DOS so that I can use it with that os. But the 4gb ones that I have work fine with Windows XP. David, do you have any other DOS software that might interest me? I'm still looking for stuff. Wayne, good to know we have an Apple user on here. Now I know who to call on when I try to set up my IIGS with Text Talker and Proterm. I bought them and then never used them That last will be as an experiment, not to switch over to like I plan on doing with DOS.. On 9/1/10, Wayne Scott wrote: > I used vert Plus in 1991-92 I remeber the first comptuer I used was an > Apple 2E. I used a dinosaur program called "Word talk." boy, am I glad > things have improved sicne then. I rememver being excited when I used vert > Plus. nI wish I culd have used it for a term paper instead of that apple > 2E. wayne Scott > "A merry heart does good like medicine, but a broken spirit dries the > bones." > - Original Message - > From: "Kim Kelly" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, > > >>I remember taking a computer class in the mid 80s, and we used a huge >>computer and two floppy disks and we used a speech program called "Vert >>Plus". >> Has anyone heard of that speech synthesizer? I thought that class was so >> fascinating. >> >> Learning Doss and all of those commands. >> What memories. >> >> >> >> Kim Kelly >> >> Clarkston Washington >> >> Email and facebook: >> kim...@clearwire.net >> >> Alternative E-mail: >> >> kim...@samobile.net >> >> skype: >> >> kblinky971 >> >> >> Visit my website >> http://www.samobile.net/users/kimk59/ >> >> Keep on smiling and everyone will wonder what you've been up too. >> author unknown >> - Original Message - >> From: "Lenny McHugh" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, >> >> >>> Well, my first PC type computer was Maryland Computer Systems ITS, >>> information through speech. I then upgraded to total talk PC again by >>> Dean Blazie. >>> Then at home Karen won an 8088 Packard Bell xt computer. With that system >>> >>> I used jaws for dos. I believe that in the mid 1980s is when I purchased >>> jaws for windows 1 for windows 3.0. At that time I hated windows and >>> still am not a fan of PCs. Give me my old big mainframes. B5500, B6700 >>> then into the larger IBM mainframes. The first computer that I worked on >>> was an RCA spectra 70 and the IBM 1401. >>> On these systems I had to write my own read /write macros and multiply >>> and divide routines. That was a lot of fun. >>> For the ITS, it was the world's first talking computer linked to an IBM >>> mainframe. When it was linked a news release was sent out through AP. I >>> started receiving calls from all around the world inquiring about it. >>> -- >>> From: "heather kd5cbl" >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:07 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Computer museum, >>> One of my favorite system is weird! It was a 280 or 480 something back in the 80s. We had to use vex. I remember that we thought it was the coolest thing. That was when you had two floppy drives and about 2 or three buttons to turn the computer on. That thing is still probley working today! I remember we took the computer apart in school to see how the components worked. Remember that is when it took two folks to carry it or maybe it is because we were so little. I just remember playing that typing game where you hit a key before the ghost gets you. And I remember all the commands just to make the computer function. You had to do it in the exact order or you had to do it all over again. I remember having to type "win" inter to make the
Re: [Blind-Computing] I am getting the weirdest message
Don, why not just remap the key? I'm assuming this is possible but could be wrong. I actually have a key on my IBM Thinkpad X32 that does the same thing. I'm not sure what it is but it's right above the left arrow key. I like it most of the time but sometimes, when I'm editing and hit it, it's very annoying. Eleni On 8/13/10, Randy Tijerina wrote: > the thing is, Don and all, I have never had this crop up before until > I think today when I was navigationg around facebook. > I may try to see if this happens on other websites. > Just a few moments. > At 05:20 PM 8/13/2010, you wrote: >>If you are not in Forms mode, the Backspace key acts just like the >>Alt + LeftArrow combination to go back to the last page visited. I >>find this very annoying and a bad key for this function. If the >>page updates and pops you out of Forms Mode while you are editing a >>field, it will jump you back to the previous page and lose all of >>your data. Since I am missing several fingers and am a bad typist, >>this happens to me all of the time. I think it is a Microsoft >>keystroke rather than JAWS. I guess they figured it was consistent >>with Backspace moving up one level in Windows Explorer. >> >>Don Marang >> >>There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of >>any real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure >>that I am working on things that matter. >>Dean Kamen >> >> >>-- >>From: "Eleni Vamvakari" >>Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 5:59 PM >>To: >>Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] I am getting the weirdest message >> >>>If it's from a page where you just entered information, i.e. made a >>>post etc. it's sending you back to the send page. i've never been able >>>to find a way around this except either going to my homepage or going >>>to history to the page before the one where I sent the data. >>>Actually, going to the page where you sent it might work as well, >>>since you're bypassing the backspace key. Anyway, it's normal and not >>>an issue with the site or the machine. >>> >>>On 8/13/10, Randy Tijerina wrote: >>>>Guys, I'm getting the most strangest message. >>>>I wonder if it's firefox or facebook or my stupid machine. >>>>when I hit the backspace key to return from a say, previous link I'm >>>>getting confirm firefox must send this to perform future actions such >>>>as I can't remember what else. I get send and cancel button. What gives >>>>here/ >>>> >>>> >>>>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >>>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] I am getting the weirdest message
If it's from a page where you just entered information, i.e. made a post etc. it's sending you back to the send page. i've never been able to find a way around this except either going to my homepage or going to history to the page before the one where I sent the data. Actually, going to the page where you sent it might work as well, since you're bypassing the backspace key. Anyway, it's normal and not an issue with the site or the machine. On 8/13/10, Randy Tijerina wrote: > Guys, I'm getting the most strangest message. > I wonder if it's firefox or facebook or my stupid machine. > when I hit the backspace key to return from a say, previous link I'm > getting confirm firefox must send this to perform future actions such > as I can't remember what else. I get send and cancel button. What gives > here/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] VLC MEDIA PLAYER
Now I remember why I stick with vhs. *smile* I'd say, since this is just for your own use, if you could at least get the dvd started, record the audio, either onto a regular audio cassette or as an mp3 in your machine. That way, you can watch/listen to the film whenever you want without the distraction and you can rewind and fastforward with ease. That or just try Youtube or Crackle.com.. They have alot of really great films and television shows. But if you simply can't be bothered to do that, try an older version of VLC or even Windows Media player or Media Player Classic. They might be able to do the job better. Eleni On 8/3/10, John Justice wrote: > Don, I can't even get that far. > Could I have a step by step guide from you or Jacob? > I loaded VLC and I can't even find those menus you and Jacob are referring > to. Where are they? > > John Frustrated Justice > > > > JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE > WITH GUIDE DOGS JAKE AND ZACHARY > PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net > > -Original Message- > From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com > [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Don Marang > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 11:46 AM > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] VLC MEDIA PLAYER > > Yes, selecting a title or chapter from the Navigation menu should allow you > to start playing at a particular episode. The problem is that the DVD > standard is vague, supplies no information, and generally one of the worst > standards for the blind community! The author of the DVD has a lot of room > to get creative with whether they want menus at the beginning, or end and > how to structure the titles and chapters. Perhaps on those misbehaving DVDs > where you can not find the episodes by the title menu, try the chapter menu. > > Don Marang > > There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real > substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working > on things that matter. > Dean Kamen > > > -- > From: "Dan Kerstetter" > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:45 AM > To: > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] VLC MEDIA PLAYER > >> I'm not sure about what others have been asking, but my question is >> how can I get different episodes to play directly from the DVD. When >> I enter on a title number it doesn't always go there. I know another >> user who is having the same problem. >> >> Dan >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com >> [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Jacob >> Kruger >> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 12:50 AM >> To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] VLC MEDIA PLAYER >> >> I generally get VLC to start playing something by right-clicking on >> it, and choosing play with VLC media player, and this then has all >> tracks/titles populated etc., and this works on folders copied from >> DVDs as well as the drive itsself. >> >> HTH >> >> Jacob Kruger >> Blind Biker >> Skype: BlindZA >> '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "John Justice" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:54 PM >> Subject: [Blind-Computing] VLC MEDIA PLAYER >> >> >>> In a recent article, I read a glowing report about the VLC Media >>> player and it sounded so good that I downloaded and installed the >>> program. It's an open code program which will run on any operating >>> system. >>> But i can't make it function. >>> Below, you will find my questions and if anyone can help, I'd >>> certainly appreciate it. I don't mind paying for a working DVD >>> player if it gives me the track information. That's what VLC was >>> supposed to do. It doesn't at least for me. >>> I'm running an HP Pavillian 6510 with 4 gigs of RAM and a 750 gig >>> hard drive. >>> I'm running Windows 7 Professional and Jaws 11, the latest build. >>> >>> >>> 1. If you load VLC, do you have to make some special adjustments to >>> get it to read and allow the user to interact with tracking >>> information? >>> >>> 2. If yes, where do I find those settings and please provide >>> detailed instructions. >>> >>> 3. I was told that it doesn't read the actual text but just says >>> "Track 1, Track 2" and so on. I can't even get it to do that. I >>> don't understand it. >>> >>> JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE >>> WITH GUIDE DOGS JAKE AND ZACHARY >>> PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >>> __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature database 5335 (20100802) __ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 5335 (20100802) __ >> >> The message w
Re: [Blind-Computing] card readers
I've never even heard of these. Do they scan your credit card or something? I just as Mom to read my card info to me and then I write it in the computer so that I could always bring it up whenever I need it for online shopping etc. But I was unaware that they actually make readers that will do this. Hope you find the help that you need. Take care, Eleni On 8/3/10, yvonne oliver wrote: > hello > this may not be suitable for this group but it is computer related in a way. > so i am going to send it in and hope for the best > apologies for any inconvenience caused if not suitable for this group > i am referring to card readers used for online banking > and i wondered if anyone can give me a step by step guide to how to use mine > i am with NatWest > i have no instruction manual with the reader > i have my online account up and running and can get to where it says > payments/ amend payee details > but that's as far as i get to > from there is where i need help > thank you > Yvonne > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] A fantastic talking clock!
I tried that program several years ago and it's not too bad, though I already have a clock, so don't need to pay extra money just to have one in my computer. Still, the price is decent and I like the option of creating your own voices. I found a wonderful DOS grand father slash cuckoo slash alarm clock for free at Jim Kitchen's site, along with some other really cool programs, not to mention all the great games he's written for both DOS and Windows. http://kitchensinc.jgriffith.com/dosgames/dosgames.htm The file name is dosgfc3.zip and it's only 236k, so if you're on a high speed connection and don't have your browser set to make a noise when you've downloaded a file, you may not even realise when it's finished. I couldn't get it to work under XP but it might work under Windows 9x, and of course, it works fine in an actual DOS machine. This is a tsr, so you can do other things while it's running and it will sound at the appropriate time. Enjoy, Eleni On 8/3/10, Matt wrote: > heheheh, that was something I had to get used too on klango. It announced > the time and coocooed every hour. It really highlighted my wife's annoyance > of my being on the computer so much as I kept going... Have I really been on > here for 3 hours? aaah! > - Original Message - > From: chris hallsworth > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 5:08 AM > Subject: [Blind-Computing] A fantastic talking clock! > > > Hello all, > Are you fed up of remembering to check the time on your computer? Fear > no more! > I am trialling a program called Steve's Talking Clock. It's a very small > program. It sits in your system tray. Once installed all you do is > configure to your personal taste, click a button, and it will just sit > their announcing the time at regular intervals. On my setup I have set > it so the voice it comes with speaks the time every 15 minutes. > I am thinking of buying the program myself as it's only £8 in UK > currency. So quite cheap for a program that comes with an awesome voice > and awesome sounds. You can also download other voices, and even create > your own! > So if you want to check it out, you can download and install it from > http://clock.steve-audio.net. Without a license it will run as a fully > functional 15 day trial. > Enjoy! > -- > > Signed by Chris Hallsworth > E-mail and Facebook: christopher...@googlemail.com > MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com > Skype: chrishallsworth7266 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40 > Klango: chrishallsworth > If you have any computer problems or queries, please do not hesitate to > contact me on the above channels. Many thanks. > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Site for BBS Users and Sysops
Taken from the site. "The definition of a BBS has changed over time. No longer are we just a modem dial-up system running at a whopping 2400 baud (for you youngsters, that's pretty darn slow). Instead we are connected to the Internet and offer other services such as a Web interface, FTP and more - depending on how sophisticated the system is." So apparently, you don't need a DOS computer, tellnet or a dial-up connection to access some of the boards out there, since they're on the net. But they also have some regular ones as well as a guide on how to use them for those interested. Good luck, Eleni On 8/2/10, ROSEMARIE CHAVARRIA wrote: > Hi, Eleni, > > Thanks very much for this information. The very first computer I learned to > operate was a dos system. Maybe someday I might go that way too. It's hard > navigating some sites when there are so much graphics on them. > > Thanks again for this information. > > Rosemarie > > > - Original Message - > From: "Eleni Vamvakari" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:32 AM > Subject: [Blind-Computing] Site for BBS Users and Sysops > > >> Here is an incredible website for those interested in using and/or >> in operating a BBS (bulliton board system). I thought some of you >> might find this useful, particularly if you've used them in the past >> and thought they had all disappeared. This is their about page. The >> main page is full of great information and resources. >> >> http://www.bbscorner.com/about >> >> Personally, I've never been on one and have always wanted to try it. >> It will be nice to work with a plain text interface for once and to >> not have to deal with annoying graphics and other unnecessary clutter. >> >> Enjoy, >> Eleni >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3039 - Release Date: 07/30/10 > 13:13:00 > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] Site for BBS Users and Sysops
Here is an incredible website for those interested in using and/or in operating a BBS (bulliton board system). I thought some of you might find this useful, particularly if you've used them in the past and thought they had all disappeared. This is their about page. The main page is full of great information and resources. http://www.bbscorner.com/about Personally, I've never been on one and have always wanted to try it. It will be nice to work with a plain text interface for once and to not have to deal with annoying graphics and other unnecessary clutter. Enjoy, Eleni For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] So... how do ya change your status on FB this?week?
I use the mobile site too. The regular one gives me a headache. But the mobile site won't let me see the entire description of a group or it's discussion boards. I also have to use the main site to edit some parts of my profile. I wish they'd just allow access to everything so that I didn't have to switch between them and deal with this nonsense. On 8/2/10, Jacob Kruger wrote: > http://m.facebook.com/ > > Jacob Kruger > Blind Biker > Skype: BlindZA > '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' > > - Original Message - > From: "Matt" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:16 PM > Subject: [Blind-Computing] So... how do ya change your status on FB > this?week? > > >> Man, I swear they change the rules every other day. >> I used to could go to the sight and search for what's on your mind, or >> mind really, and found the edit box for changing status, then I think it >> switched to news feed. >> What's the quickest and best way to navigate to that and other stuff on fb >> >> with jaws anyway? >> I have 11. Just tried to change my status and am not seing the change. >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 5334 (20100802) __ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 5334 (20100802) __ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] * Problem Resolved, F2 Key does now work
Hi Allan, I'm glad that I was able to be of some assistance. No, system restore doesn't touch any of your data files and I believe that this is said when you activate it, though I could be wrong. In any case, they're safe. It just undoes any changes that you've actually done to the system. Glad your problem has been resolved. Take care, Eleni On 7/27/10, Alan Dicey wrote: > Dear Eleni > Thank you very much also, I appreciate your very kind willingness to assist > me with that problem with the F2 key function all of a sudden not working. > You gave some great suggestions! > > You did answer a question I have had for some time. > That is with the "System Restore". > > So then I understand, that this action will not affect your Data files that > were added to your computer between the time you go back to, and the time > you must use the "System Restore"? > > That is great news, as I was always very worried about this, adding perhaps > 100 important data files to my computer each and every day. > > Thank you Eleni! > > With Best Regards, > Alan > Miami, Florida > Alan Dicey, President > United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA > "Yes, Blind or Visually Impaired People Can, and Do, Play Chess!!!" > United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: > http://AmericanBlindChess.org > > > - Original Message - > From: "Eleni Vamvakari" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:05 AM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Problem, F2 Key does not work > > >> True, but I'm not referring to using an actual restore disk or >> recovery disk. I only mean the regular system restore from within >> Windows. This doesn't change any documents etc. and can be easily >> undone. I personally think it's the easiest sollution if it ' some >> kind of a software issue. However, be aware that this will undo any >> updates or program installations that occured after the time to which >> you restored the computer. For example, if you restore it to Friday >> night but installed something new on Saturday, that will be undone. >> So you'll either need to reinstall it, if the restore fixed the F2 >> issue, or restore back to today which would leave you exactly as you >> are now. >> >> >> >> On 7/27/10, Donald Marang wrote: >>> I guess there are many things that might cause this . I will go through >>> a >>> few that come to mind. First for the more obvious. I assume that you >>> are >>> wanting to rename these files within Windows Explorer. Make sure the >>> window >>> is maximized. You might also want to check the view settings. I would >>> think Details view would be the safest. Now for a couple of more >>> difficult >>> solutions. Could the display driver for the monitor have been changed? >>> If >>> so, a roll back of the device driver would be less drastic than a System >>> Restore. If this started happening after the last JAWS update, it might >>> be >>> necessary to see if there is a newer display driver for your display from >>> the manufacturer's website. >>> >>> Don Marang >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Alan Dicey" >>> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:16 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: [Blind-Computing] Problem, F2 Key does not work >>> >>>> Dear Don and Rick, >>>> Any ideas what I could have done to my JAWS to mess things up? >>>> I can type in a new name or such, but it does not say anything after >>>> "Edit" and I cannot read it till after I changed it, I cannot hear what >>>> I >>>> am typing! >>>> >>>> So very very strange! >>>> It just happened! >>>> I must have accidentally hit a strange key combination and messed up my >>>> JAWS >>>> or something like that! >>>> >>>> It does not, as Don said, "Echo" what is highlighted for the file or >>>> folder >>>> name! >>>> This could not have happened at a worse time, as I am also our group's >>>> Temporary Acting Tournament Director, and I receive a lot of games from >>>> our >>>> group members that must be renamed for storage purposes! >>>> LOL! >>>> Murphy's Law! >>>> >>>> Thanks Gentlemen! >>>> >>>> With Best Regards, >>>> Alan >>>> Miami, Florid
Re: [Blind-Computing] Problem, F2 Key does not work
WS 9.0.519 and I really could use some help. >>>> >>>> What Happened? >>>> >>>> I must have done something to disable this f2 key. >>>> >>>> The strange thing, it does work for example on the icons on my Desk Top, >>>> >>>> so it simply cannot just be the key itself. >>>> >>>> Can some one please help me figure this out! >>>> >>>> Thanks very much! >>>> >>>> With Best Regards, >>>> Alan >>>> Miami, Florida >>>> Alan Dicey, President >>>> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA >>>> "Yes, Blind or Visually Impaired People Can, and Do, Play Chess!!!" >>>> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: >>>> http://AmericanBlindChess.org >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Rick Justice" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Problem, F2 Key does not work >> >> >>> You wouldn't want to use F3, it is already mapped for other applications. >>> HTH, >>> Rick Justice >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Eleni Vamvakari" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 10:17 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Problem, F2 Key does not work >>> >>> >>>> That's actually how I do it with XP. I just hit applications, arrow >>>> up to rename, hit enter, delete the current name and then change it. >>>> But it sounds as if Alan has a much faster way. In any case, perhaps >>>> there's a way to reformat the function to another key, say F3 so that >>>> you can accomplish the same task with the same amount of ease. I have >>>> no clue how to do this, either in Windows or in DOS, so can't help you >>>> there, but it's something to consider. >>>> >>>> On 7/26/10, Patricia wrote: >>>>> you can also rename through the applications key as well. >>>>> >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "Alan Dicey" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:26 PM >>>>> Subject: [Blind-Computing] Problem, F2 Key does not work >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Friends, >>>>>> If I ever wanted to change the name of a file or folder I have always >>>>>> just highlighted it, hit my f2 key, and either deleted the current >>>>>> name , >>>>>> >>>>>> or backed space the old name out and typed a new one in! >>>>>> >>>>>> I have always done this! >>>>>> >>>>>> All of a sudden, just now, it does not work! >>>>>> I only hear "Edit", and cannot even read the name of the file or >>>>>> folder >>>>>> after I hit f2 on it. >>>>>> This is so very strange and disconcerting for me, as I use this option >>>>>> >>>>>> a >>>>>> lot. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am using XP-Home, JAWS 9.0.519 and I really could use some help. >>>>>> >>>>>> What Happened? >>>>>> >>>>>> I must have done something to disable this f2 key. >>>>>> >>>>>> The strange thing, it does work for example on the icons on my Desk >>>>>> Top, >>>>>> so it simply cannot just be the key itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Can some one please help me figure this out! >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks very much! >>>>>> >>>>>> With Best Regards, >>>>>> Alan >>>>>> Miami, Florida >>>>>> Alan Dicey, President >>>>>> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA >>>>>> "Yes, Blind or Visually Impaired People Can, and Do, Play Chess!!!" >>>>>> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: >>>>>> http://AmericanBlindChess.org >>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Concerning you tube
E-mail addresses from Klango? That's a new one. Perhaps, it was a service with a similar sounding name or maybe, she's on the staff or something... Interesting. On 7/26/10, Matt wrote: > Thanks, I have encountered people with email addresses from that sight, > interesting to hear where it is coming from now. Was an alstrailian I knew > who had one as I recall. Just figured it was an isp where she was located. > - Original Message - > From: Eleni Vamvakari > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 10:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Concerning you tube > > > I'm really not sure why the videos do this. I don't have that happen > all the time but I have had it happen in the past. I've also had > experiences in which my own videos didn't upload properly and wouldn't > no matter how many times I tried reuploading the same file, even > though they played correctly in Photo Booth. In any case, I' > recommend downloading the Klango player. It has a feature that will > enable you to listen to and to download youtube files. Plus, there's > a wonderful community there with forums, games, chat and more. You > can find Klango here. > http://en.klango.net/ > You need to register to use it but it's totally free. Hope that helps. > > On 7/26/10, Matt wrote: > > Hi ya, is it tipicle for you tube videos not to play in full? I have > never > > gotten one to play all the way through so far as I can remember. > > Any tips or tricks out there for achieving it, or maybe for saving the > > videos off on my computer so that I might view them from there? I have > a > > cable conection and think they play through media player. > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Problem, F2 Key does not work
Okay, I'm an idiot! Why not try a system restore? Restore the computer to a time before this started. I bet that will fix the problem if it's simply a software one. If it doesn't, then you really should look into trying another keyboard if possible. Let us know how it goes. On 7/26/10, Alan Dicey wrote: > Dear Don and Rick, > Any ideas what I could have done to my JAWS to mess things up? > I can type in a new name or such, but it does not say anything after "Edit" > and I cannot read it till after I changed it, I cannot hear what I am > typing! > > So very very strange! > It just happened! > I must have accidentally hit a strange key combination and messed up my JAWS > or something like that! > > It does not, as Don said, "Echo" what is highlighted for the file or folder > name! > This could not have happened at a worse time, as I am also our group's > Temporary Acting Tournament Director, and I receive a lot of games from our > group members that must be renamed for storage purposes! > LOL! > Murphy's Law! > > Thanks Gentlemen! > > With Best Regards, > Alan > Miami, Florida > Alan Dicey, President > United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA > "Yes, Blind or Visually Impaired People Can, and Do, Play Chess!!!" > United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: > http://AmericanBlindChess.org > > - Original Message - > From: "Patricia" > To: "Mr. Dicey" > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 10:12 PM > Subject: Fw: [Blind-Computing] Problem, F2 Key does not work > > >> so when i am like in my documents, i arrow to a file with a .doc >> extension, i then press f2, i hear jaws say, edit and the file name, i can >> >> press the insert key and 8 on numpad to hear the name of the file, i then >> can backspace it out or press the shift key and the end key(#1) on numpad >> to select the entire name and hit the delete key. >> then i give a new name to it and press enter. >> are you trying to rename something that is not a .doc or .txt or .xls >> file? >> >> does your keyboard have buttons at top that might have gotten pressed that >> >> are above the function keys? >> - Original Message - >> From: "Alan Dicey" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:26 PM >> Subject: [Blind-Computing] Problem, F2 Key does not work >> >> >>> Dear Friends, >>> If I ever wanted to change the name of a file or folder I have always >>> just highlighted it, hit my f2 key, and either deleted the current name , >>> >>> or backed space the old name out and typed a new one in! >>> >>> I have always done this! >>> >>> All of a sudden, just now, it does not work! >>> I only hear "Edit", and cannot even read the name of the file or folder >>> after I hit f2 on it. >>> This is so very strange and disconcerting for me, as I use this option a >>> lot. >>> >>> I am using XP-Home, JAWS 9.0.519 and I really could use some help. >>> >>> What Happened? >>> >>> I must have done something to disable this f2 key. >>> >>> The strange thing, it does work for example on the icons on my Desk Top, >>> so it simply cannot just be the key itself. >>> >>> Can some one please help me figure this out! >>> >>> Thanks very much! >>> >>> With Best Regards, >>> Alan >>> Miami, Florida >>> Alan Dicey, President >>> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA >>> "Yes, Blind or Visually Impaired People Can, and Do, Play Chess!!!" >>> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: >>> http://AmericanBlindChess.org >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> > > - Original Message - > From: "Rick Justice" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Problem, F2 Key does not work > > >> You wouldn't want to use F3, it is already mapped for other applications. >> HTH, >> Rick Justice >> - Original Message - >> From: "Eleni Vamvakari" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 10:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Problem, F2 Key does not work >> >> >>> That's actually how I do it with XP. I just hit applications, arrow >>> up to rename, hit enter, delete the current name and then change it. >>> But it sounds as if Alan ha
Re: [Blind-Computing] Concerning you tube
I'm really not sure why the videos do this. I don't have that happen all the time but I have had it happen in the past. I've also had experiences in which my own videos didn't upload properly and wouldn't no matter how many times I tried reuploading the same file, even though they played correctly in Photo Booth. In any case, I' recommend downloading the Klango player. It has a feature that will enable you to listen to and to download youtube files. Plus, there's a wonderful community there with forums, games, chat and more. You can find Klango here. http://en.klango.net/ You need to register to use it but it's totally free. Hope that helps. On 7/26/10, Matt wrote: > Hi ya, is it tipicle for you tube videos not to play in full? I have never > gotten one to play all the way through so far as I can remember. > Any tips or tricks out there for achieving it, or maybe for saving the > videos off on my computer so that I might view them from there? I have a > cable conection and think they play through media player. > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Problem, F2 Key does not work
That's actually how I do it with XP. I just hit applications, arrow up to rename, hit enter, delete the current name and then change it. But it sounds as if Alan has a much faster way. In any case, perhaps there's a way to reformat the function to another key, say F3 so that you can accomplish the same task with the same amount of ease. I have no clue how to do this, either in Windows or in DOS, so can't help you there, but it's something to consider. On 7/26/10, Patricia wrote: > you can also rename through the applications key as well. > > - Original Message - > From: "Alan Dicey" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:26 PM > Subject: [Blind-Computing] Problem, F2 Key does not work > > >> Dear Friends, >> If I ever wanted to change the name of a file or folder I have always >> just highlighted it, hit my f2 key, and either deleted the current name , >> >> or backed space the old name out and typed a new one in! >> >> I have always done this! >> >> All of a sudden, just now, it does not work! >> I only hear "Edit", and cannot even read the name of the file or folder >> after I hit f2 on it. >> This is so very strange and disconcerting for me, as I use this option a >> lot. >> >> I am using XP-Home, JAWS 9.0.519 and I really could use some help. >> >> What Happened? >> >> I must have done something to disable this f2 key. >> >> The strange thing, it does work for example on the icons on my Desk Top, >> so it simply cannot just be the key itself. >> >> Can some one please help me figure this out! >> >> Thanks very much! >> >> With Best Regards, >> Alan >> Miami, Florida >> Alan Dicey, President >> United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA >> "Yes, Blind or Visually Impaired People Can, and Do, Play Chess!!!" >> United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: >> http://AmericanBlindChess.org >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Problem, F2 Key does not work
Hi Alan, I really have no idea what's going on but I'll ask a few perhaps silly questions. First, have you tried rebooting? Second, have you tried disconnecting and then reconnecting the keyboard, or if it's a usb one and you have multiple ports, have you tried connecting it to another port. Third, have you tried cleaning the keyboard? Sometimes, keys die or they just need to be cleaned. However, since the key works for some things, I doubt it's that. Perhaps, you should run an antivirus and/or antispyware program just to make sure nothing's playing with your machine. Good luck, Eleni On 7/26/10, Alan Dicey wrote: > Dear Friends, > If I ever wanted to change the name of a file or folder I have always just > highlighted it, hit my f2 key, and either deleted the current name , or > backed space the old name out and typed a new one in! > > I have always done this! > > All of a sudden, just now, it does not work! > I only hear "Edit", and cannot even read the name of the file or folder > after I hit f2 on it. > This is so very strange and disconcerting for me, as I use this option a > lot. > > I am using XP-Home, JAWS 9.0.519 and I really could use some help. > > What Happened? > > I must have done something to disable this f2 key. > > The strange thing, it does work for example on the icons on my Desk Top, so > it simply cannot just be the key itself. > > Can some one please help me figure this out! > > Thanks very much! > > With Best Regards, > Alan > Miami, Florida > Alan Dicey, President > United States Braille Chess Association - USBCA > "Yes, Blind or Visually Impaired People Can, and Do, Play Chess!!!" > United States Braille Chess Association Home Page: > http://AmericanBlindChess.org > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Difference between MS-DOS and Windows TXTfiles / Weird Issues with Word Perfect
Actually, Acapella can work directly with JFW, so you can use it in any application. But because it's so large, it tends to be sluggish in some programs. On 7/26/10, Eleni Vamvakari wrote: > Yes, there are Sapi 5 voices for Greek, but they're only for Windows. > I don't know of Alexandros, but Accapella has a wonderful voice called > Dimitris. NVDA, which is a free screenreader, comes with it's own > version of ESpeak, which is far better than the one that you can > download for Klango. I'm assuming that's the regular version. In any > case, NVDA has a setting that you can use to switch to Greek and > that's the one I always use. It does a great job at recognising the > tonos so words are usually pronounced correctly. It can be found > here. > > http://www.nvda-project.org > > As for learning Greek, there's an excellent free course here. > > http://www.kypros.org > > Go to Learn Greek and then to Modern Greek. There, you'll be able to > create an account and start on the lessons. They have audio as well > as text and both are exactly the same so you could use just one method > or combine them. They use the monotonic system, so ESpeak won't have > a problem reading the words. Note that there are some errors in > several early lessons. What I do is have one window open with the > text of the lesson and then copy it from that window into a blank > document with Wordpad so that I learn pronunciation and spelling. > There are no teachers or grades, so everything is done at your own > pace. If you need any help, just e-mail me offlist. > > Take care, > Eleni > > On 7/26/10, Negoslav Sabev wrote: >> Is there a Greek sapi5 voice? Can you tell more about it? >> I see Alexandros RealSpeak Solo Direct Voice on the FS site, but don't >> know >> if it's good enough in Greek if I try to learn Greek language for >> example. >> Is there other possibility? >> >> Negoslav >> - Original Message - >> From: "Eleni Vamvakari" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 5:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Difference between MS-DOS and Windows >> TXTfiles / Weird Issues with Word Perfect >> >> >> Hello Alasdair, >> >> Thank you so much for that wonderful explanation. I actually just >> found a text editor/word processor called VDE. >> >> http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,53873-page,1-c,wordprocessing/description.html >> >> It's features and usage are incredible, and if it works with a >> screen reader, then I'll definitely be using it from now on on my DOS >> machine. It actually has options for saving and loading text in >> various formats, including unformatted (with one varient being used to >> open and/or save files in NotePad's format), ascii, MS Word through >> 97, Word Perfect 4-6, Word Star and a few more. This program's >> functions can be customised but in the default settings can be >> accessed either via a menu bar or via Word Star commands. Seriously, >> I can't believe the power of this little editor! It even works on >> Windows 95/98 machines. I just hope it's accessible. If so, then >> I'll be reviewing it here later. >> >> As for the Greek, unfortunately, I can only read and write it in >> Windows. Even though there are newer editors and browsers in DOS that >> can handle Unicode, I don't have a Greek synthesizer. >> >> Talk soon, >> Eleni >> PS. I adore WebbIE but are there any plans of updating it? It no >> longer works on certain webpages. >> >> On 7/25/10, Alasdair King wrote: >>> There are two unrelated issues here. >>> >>> 1 How characters are encoded in the file - ANSI, DBCS and so on. >>> 2 How newlines are encoded. >>> >>> Newlines first. There is no consistent "newline" character (indicating >>> the end of a line) as there is for the character "a". Instead, Windows >>> and MS-DOS uses two characters - carriage return CR, 10, and line feed >>> LF, 13. But Unix (and Apple Mac) uses one character - line feed LF, >>> 13. So a text file can be in Windows/MS-DOS encoding or Unix encoding. >>> If you open a Unix text file in Notepad you'll find that the newlines >>> are missing and the whole thing is one big lump of text. WordPad is >>> smarter and realises the single LF characters should be newlines, so >>> you don't see this happen. >>> >>> So if you have a Unix text file - no newlines in Notepad - then you >>>
Re: [Blind-Computing] Difference between MS-DOS and Windows TXTfiles / Weird Issues with Word Perfect
Yes, there are Sapi 5 voices for Greek, but they're only for Windows. I don't know of Alexandros, but Accapella has a wonderful voice called Dimitris. NVDA, which is a free screenreader, comes with it's own version of ESpeak, which is far better than the one that you can download for Klango. I'm assuming that's the regular version. In any case, NVDA has a setting that you can use to switch to Greek and that's the one I always use. It does a great job at recognising the tonos so words are usually pronounced correctly. It can be found here. http://www.nvda-project.org As for learning Greek, there's an excellent free course here. http://www.kypros.org Go to Learn Greek and then to Modern Greek. There, you'll be able to create an account and start on the lessons. They have audio as well as text and both are exactly the same so you could use just one method or combine them. They use the monotonic system, so ESpeak won't have a problem reading the words. Note that there are some errors in several early lessons. What I do is have one window open with the text of the lesson and then copy it from that window into a blank document with Wordpad so that I learn pronunciation and spelling. There are no teachers or grades, so everything is done at your own pace. If you need any help, just e-mail me offlist. Take care, Eleni On 7/26/10, Negoslav Sabev wrote: > Is there a Greek sapi5 voice? Can you tell more about it? > I see Alexandros RealSpeak Solo Direct Voice on the FS site, but don't know > if it's good enough in Greek if I try to learn Greek language for example. > Is there other possibility? > > Negoslav > - Original Message - > From: "Eleni Vamvakari" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 5:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Difference between MS-DOS and Windows > TXTfiles / Weird Issues with Word Perfect > > > Hello Alasdair, > > Thank you so much for that wonderful explanation. I actually just > found a text editor/word processor called VDE. > > http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,53873-page,1-c,wordprocessing/description.html > > It's features and usage are incredible, and if it works with a > screen reader, then I'll definitely be using it from now on on my DOS > machine. It actually has options for saving and loading text in > various formats, including unformatted (with one varient being used to > open and/or save files in NotePad's format), ascii, MS Word through > 97, Word Perfect 4-6, Word Star and a few more. This program's > functions can be customised but in the default settings can be > accessed either via a menu bar or via Word Star commands. Seriously, > I can't believe the power of this little editor! It even works on > Windows 95/98 machines. I just hope it's accessible. If so, then > I'll be reviewing it here later. > > As for the Greek, unfortunately, I can only read and write it in > Windows. Even though there are newer editors and browsers in DOS that > can handle Unicode, I don't have a Greek synthesizer. > > Talk soon, > Eleni > PS. I adore WebbIE but are there any plans of updating it? It no > longer works on certain webpages. > > On 7/25/10, Alasdair King wrote: >> There are two unrelated issues here. >> >> 1 How characters are encoded in the file - ANSI, DBCS and so on. >> 2 How newlines are encoded. >> >> Newlines first. There is no consistent "newline" character (indicating >> the end of a line) as there is for the character "a". Instead, Windows >> and MS-DOS uses two characters - carriage return CR, 10, and line feed >> LF, 13. But Unix (and Apple Mac) uses one character - line feed LF, >> 13. So a text file can be in Windows/MS-DOS encoding or Unix encoding. >> If you open a Unix text file in Notepad you'll find that the newlines >> are missing and the whole thing is one big lump of text. WordPad is >> smarter and realises the single LF characters should be newlines, so >> you don't see this happen. >> >> So if you have a Unix text file - no newlines in Notepad - then you >> can open it in WordPad and then save it as Text or MS-DOS Text and >> it'll then work correctly in Notepad and DOS. At this point I'm going >> to admit that I can't tell why there are two WordPad Save As Text >> options. They both produce Windows/MS-DOS format ANSI text files. >> >> Now, character encodings. This is even more complicated. Essentially, >> old-style ANSI can give you those files with lots of question marks >> and the wrong characters. Use Unicode, which means using the UTF-8 or >> the Unicode setting in Notepad or Wo
Re: [Blind-Computing] Why DOS
Thanks for reading and for commenting. I must admit that Emacspeak sounds very interesting. But I'm still not sure whether this is just a screen reader for Linux or whether it's an accessible shell ontop of Linux that uses it's own commans etc. If the latter, it might be worth experimenting with it. But if it's just a screen reader, then I' need to learn a whole new set of commands and deal with the strange quirks of Linux. As I've said, this does not interest me, even though it's based off of Unix, which is older than DOS itself if memory serves.. I really can't give an opinion on the functionality of the Microsoft PowerShell, except to say that it's a shell and not an operating system. Therefor, while I would be able to do various things from the prompt, once I opened a program, I'd still be dealing with a graphical Windows application and usually not one designed with keyboard usage in mind. The same, of course, holds true in programming. My intent there is to write console-based tui programs and to avoid dealing with object-oriented languages, particularly those which use graphical symbols instead of plain English in the programming and simple y/n prompts, hotkeys and menus in the user end. I could be wrong, but something tells me that Windows can't handle that. I'm not sure if these (or clones of them) are still being developed but are BEOS and OS/2 accessible? If so, what are they like i.e. cli systems or gui? I'd also absolutely love to play with CP/M, even just once, since DOS was based off of it. I know it was developed for several years after 1981 and that there were screen readers made for it. I'd like to compare the structure of it with MS-DOS. At any rate, my love of DOS goes way back and I've been trying to learn it for a very long time. Apple IIs and Dr. Pete's Talking Writer in elementary school aside, I started using computers in around 1996. By that time, DOS was already obsolete to most people and no one would teach me what I wanted to know. I'd refused to learn Windows prior to then and had started on my own little adventure using MS-DOS 5.0, Word Perfect 5.1, DOS for Dummies tapes that I got from the NLS, a Word Perfect tutorial from the local library and a machine that I'd inherited from a friend of the family. But eventually, the computer, with a 386 cpu, crashed and I was forced to use Windows. I then began acquiring some DOS tech to the point that I had at least two Echo synths, along with an Accent SA, and two KeyNote Gold laptops with stripped-down versions of MS-DOS 6.21 and the amazing KeyNote Gold Voicecard synth inside. But then, I lost the cable needed for the synth. I didn't know that autoexec.bat could be skipped when booting so couldn't start the machine without having the Voicecard connected. By the time I went to college, the old tech was put away. I graduated from college four years ago and found that crazy cable about two years ago, so now have time to get back to the system I love. Only now, I've outgrown the laptop and want to expand to a newer and better computer, which is why I'm having that custom one built. To be honest, I'm very excited about trying this enhanced DR-DOS and seeing all the wonderful enhancements it has when compared with the Microsoft variety. Ever since I began my interest in computers, I'd heard that MS-DOS 6.22 was the last release of their version of the os as a stand-alone product. Even Wikipedia confirms it. But yesterday, I read that there really is an MS-DOS 7 and that it was made open source? Is that right? As a sidenote, I was also very much into Apple IIs during my high school years to the point that I was able to save an IIGS from destruction. The high school was throwing it out but gave it to me instead, along with the printer, extra floppy drive and software. I then bought Proterm and TextTalker from APH. This was about 2002 so they only had three in stock). I then put the machine away and haven't seen it since. While I'll never use it as my primary os, I'd love to try it out, especially for getting on the net. Ironically, I have far more information from magazines online on using Apples from the blind perspective than pcs. Eleni On 7/25/10, Alasdair King wrote: > Interesting perspective. Have you tried more modern commandline > interfaces based on non-DOS systems? > > Emacspeak is an audio text-based interface to Linux: > http://emacspeak.sourceforge.net/ > > PowerShell is Microsoft's new commandline interface. You can access > COM and interact with other tools through it. A quick try suggests it > works with Narrator: > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/management/powershell/default.mspx > > Alasdair > > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Eleni Vamvakari > wrote: >
Re: [Blind-Computing] Difference between MS-DOS and Windows TXT files / Weird Issues with Word Perfect
No, it's a real MS-DOS 6 machine, with a KeyNote Gold Voicecard synthesizer. I'll be switching over to a custom desktop with Enhanced DR-DOS once it's built and, hopefully, will be able to put EDRD onto an IBM Thinkpad 310 to use for practise until my desktop is ready and for a back-up machine. I wrote an essay on this list called Why DOS that you'd probably enjoy as it explains all the reasons why I love DOS and gives links as to why it's still a viable and usable option today. If you can't find it and would like to read it, let me know and I'll e-mail you offlist. I wish I could say that VDE was proving as usable for me. I'm sure I'll get the hang of it but it's really a challenge for someone used to WYSIWYG editors like Word Perfect, NoteWorthy and even the Windows Notepad and Wordpad to try and use something that has the feel of Word Star. I can't figure out how to get it to open and read files and even the installation is strange. Fortunately, though, the documentation is extensive, so I'll have to read up on it. As I said earlier in this post, the Ed.exe program from WP is acting strangely with VocalEyes so I have no choice but to either try JAWS for DOS or ASAP with it or to try another editor. WP 5.1 works fine but doesn't save as .txt and I need that for my batch programming. Hopefully, things will be easier on the IBM and desktop, since I can then use the edit program in Enhanced R-DOS or even the one in QuickBASIC, which I can't use here, as the KeyNote's keyboard is made without certain keys. This is annoying, cause I wanted to start learning QB as well. Ah well, batch is enough for now I guess. On 7/25/10, Alasdair King wrote: > May I be nosy, Eleni: why do you maintain a DOS machine? Are we > talking about a genuine boot-into-DOS-6 machine, or a Vista or XP > machine with a command prompt? Are you using a hardware synthesizer? > > I update WebbIE every couple of months, time permitting. If you have a > particular site that isn't working, do let me know and I'll try to > have a look at it, if not manage to fix it. > > Best wishes, > Alasdair > > On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Eleni Vamvakari > wrote: >> Hello Alasdair, >> >> Thank you so much for that wonderful explanation. I actually just >> found a text editor/word processor called VDE. >> >> http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,53873-page,1-c,wordprocessing/description.html >> >> It's features and usage are incredible, and if it works with a >> screen reader, then I'll definitely be using it from now on on my DOS >> machine. It actually has options for saving and loading text in >> various formats, including unformatted (with one varient being used to >> open and/or save files in NotePad's format), ascii, MS Word through >> 97, Word Perfect 4-6, Word Star and a few more. This program's >> functions can be customised but in the default settings can be >> accessed either via a menu bar or via Word Star commands. Seriously, >> I can't believe the power of this little editor! It even works on >> Windows 95/98 machines. I just hope it's accessible. If so, then >> I'll be reviewing it here later. >> >> As for the Greek, unfortunately, I can only read and write it in >> Windows. Even though there are newer editors and browsers in DOS that >> can handle Unicode, I don't have a Greek synthesizer. >> >> Talk soon, >> Eleni >> PS. I adore WebbIE but are there any plans of updating it? It no >> longer works on certain webpages. >> >> On 7/25/10, Alasdair King wrote: >>> There are two unrelated issues here. >>> >>> 1 How characters are encoded in the file - ANSI, DBCS and so on. >>> 2 How newlines are encoded. >>> >>> Newlines first. There is no consistent "newline" character (indicating >>> the end of a line) as there is for the character "a". Instead, Windows >>> and MS-DOS uses two characters - carriage return CR, 10, and line feed >>> LF, 13. But Unix (and Apple Mac) uses one character - line feed LF, >>> 13. So a text file can be in Windows/MS-DOS encoding or Unix encoding. >>> If you open a Unix text file in Notepad you'll find that the newlines >>> are missing and the whole thing is one big lump of text. WordPad is >>> smarter and realises the single LF characters should be newlines, so >>> you don't see this happen. >>> >>> So if you have a Unix text file - no newlines in Notepad - then you >>> can open it in WordPad and then save it as Text or MS-DOS Text and >>> it'll then work corre
Re: [Blind-Computing] Difference between MS-DOS and Windows TXT files / Weird Issues with Word Perfect
Hello Alasdair, Thank you so much for that wonderful explanation. I actually just found a text editor/word processor called VDE. http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,53873-page,1-c,wordprocessing/description.html It's features and usage are incredible, and if it works with a screen reader, then I'll definitely be using it from now on on my DOS machine. It actually has options for saving and loading text in various formats, including unformatted (with one varient being used to open and/or save files in NotePad's format), ascii, MS Word through 97, Word Perfect 4-6, Word Star and a few more. This program's functions can be customised but in the default settings can be accessed either via a menu bar or via Word Star commands. Seriously, I can't believe the power of this little editor! It even works on Windows 95/98 machines. I just hope it's accessible. If so, then I'll be reviewing it here later. As for the Greek, unfortunately, I can only read and write it in Windows. Even though there are newer editors and browsers in DOS that can handle Unicode, I don't have a Greek synthesizer. Talk soon, Eleni PS. I adore WebbIE but are there any plans of updating it? It no longer works on certain webpages. On 7/25/10, Alasdair King wrote: > There are two unrelated issues here. > > 1 How characters are encoded in the file - ANSI, DBCS and so on. > 2 How newlines are encoded. > > Newlines first. There is no consistent "newline" character (indicating > the end of a line) as there is for the character "a". Instead, Windows > and MS-DOS uses two characters - carriage return CR, 10, and line feed > LF, 13. But Unix (and Apple Mac) uses one character - line feed LF, > 13. So a text file can be in Windows/MS-DOS encoding or Unix encoding. > If you open a Unix text file in Notepad you'll find that the newlines > are missing and the whole thing is one big lump of text. WordPad is > smarter and realises the single LF characters should be newlines, so > you don't see this happen. > > So if you have a Unix text file - no newlines in Notepad - then you > can open it in WordPad and then save it as Text or MS-DOS Text and > it'll then work correctly in Notepad and DOS. At this point I'm going > to admit that I can't tell why there are two WordPad Save As Text > options. They both produce Windows/MS-DOS format ANSI text files. > > Now, character encodings. This is even more complicated. Essentially, > old-style ANSI can give you those files with lots of question marks > and the wrong characters. Use Unicode, which means using the UTF-8 or > the Unicode setting in Notepad or WordPad. Both are Unicode, but > different ways of encoding it - when Windows says "Unicode" is often > means "DBCS". But anyway, Notepad can do either type, as can WordPad. > Here are two files with Greek in them, one in the "Unicode" format, > one in UTF8. Both work in Notepad: > http://development.webbie.org.uk/test/text/Text-Unicode.txt > http://development.webbie.org.uk/test/text/Text-UTF8.txt > > Here's a detailed explanation, though some of the text is displayed > using images: > http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html > > So I think you should be able to use WordPad to open any file then > save it as Unicode, and all should then be well for Windows machines. > For MS-DOS pre-Windows machines you'll need to save as ANSI, which > means setting the code page of your machine to the language you want > to support - Greek, for example - and accepting that files with > Unicode and non-Greek character will be mangled on your system. > > Best wishes, > Alasdair King > WebbIE > > On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Eleni Vamvakari > wrote: >> So today, I decided to see how Word Perfect 5.1 and Ed.exe would >> read files saved as .txt in Notepad and .txt (MS-DOS format) in >> Wordpad. The only difference that I noticed is that the lines started >> and stopped at different points so that a sentence that began on one >> line in one format might have already begun on the line above that in >> the other. In both cases, VocalEyes didn't read the sentences >> properly in Ed.exe. The words at the end of each line would cut off. >> But in Word Perfect 5.1, it read the lines perfectly. I'm baffled by >> this, since Ed is from Word Perfect Corporation and even uses the same >> commands as 5.1. The only difference is that it saves as .txt and not >> as .wpd and it doesn't convert the .txt files to .wpd when you open >> them. I then checked the settings in VocalEyes in both programs and >> they were the same. >> >> I'm completely confused here. Why is it doin
Re: [Blind-Computing] I Have a DOS Laptop!
I'll ask when I take it to the shop, cause it's sitting right on the dresser next to me. Yep, I found it! Now I just need to find the adapter. I have one here but need to have someone read it to make sure it goes to the Thinkpad. I don't want to plug it in and short out the computer or something. It's got all the ports that I mentioned plus a ps-2 port. It's only got one pcmcia slot, though, so I'll need to decide whether I want to use my KeyNote Gold Voicecard as a synthesizer and look for an external card reader or whether I want to use the Echo (or better yet, find another decent serial synth) and use the slot for my compact flash card. I guess it will depend on the software that I find, if any. Either way, I need something to read my card, since that's how I transfer most of my stuff. That, or I'll need a Superdisk or zip disk, since using 1.44 floppies for all my files will probably drive me nuts... lol When one thing ends, another begins. But at least I've got a machine now! Talk soon, Eleni On 7/24/10, ROSEMARIE CHAVARRIA wrote: > Hi, Eleni, > > It's possible that that weird sound could be the motor but I don't know for > sure. > > Rosemarie > > > - Original Message - > From: "Eleni Vamvakari" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 8:19 PM > Subject: [Blind-Computing] I Have a DOS Laptop! > > >> Several years ago, way before I knew exactly what I wanted, I asked >> someone to give me a computer specifically for using with DOS. He >> gave me an IBM Thinkpad 310 with a 2.1gb hard drive, a 133mhz >> processor, a screen under 13 inches, a 3.5 inch 1.44mb floppy drive, >> serial and parallel ports, and at least one (maybe two pcmcia slots! >> The catch? It only works on the adapter and it makes a weird noise >> every few seconds, like a descending wine. I can't figure out if it's >> the motor, the drive or something else. But does it work at the >> moment? Yes. And is it really DOS-compatible? Believe it or not, >> yes! Mine came with Windows 98 but I've read that they also shipped >> them with MS-DOS 6, which means that it's perfectly suited to my >> needs, since the drivers will be available. I don't know the ram on >> mine but it can go from 16mb to 64mb. Did I mention that all the >> ports and disk drive are actually in the machine, unlike in my >> Thinkpad X32, which I'm using right now and that, if I get a new one, >> the battery life is over two hours, probably more with DOS? >> >> Is this the ideal laptop? No. The sound it makes worries me, it's >> heavy and I might need to upgrade the ram. The hard disk isn't that >> large but I'll be using a compact flash card anyway, since I don't >> want to lose my info should the machine decide to crash. But will it >> serve as a cheap backup for now and for when I have my desktop but >> want to go out and take a DOS computer with me? Yes. I went through >> all this nonsense and I had it all along!!! But how can I keep track >> of all my computers when I have at least 14 of them? lol >> >> Now I just need to find it and the adapter, then grab some >> diskettes, put Enhanced DR-DOS and the IBM drivers on them and give it >> all to the local computer shop to fix. Opa! If I like it, then I'll >> either get a newer model (the last with all the ports onboard that >> works with DOS) or another one of these if this one gives me a >> problem. >> >> With great happiness, >> Eleni >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3023 - Release Date: 07/23/10 > 06:36:00 > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Using blackboard with JFW
I used Blackboard in college and the experience was very frustrating but not because it was inaccessible. On some days it would work fine and on others it wouldn't let me log in or things would appear empty. Mostly, I used the group discussion, the drop box/e-mail (don't remember the name) and the link for reading assignments. All were accessible. I graduated from college four years ago, but a sighted friend who's now in college is having the same issues that I did, if not worse. Sometimes, her assignments don't get sent through or she won't receive the instructions from the professor etc. I can't tell you about the accessibility today, because, as I said, my friend is sighted. But definitely be prepared for alot of headaches. Good luck, Eleni On 7/24/10, Frank Ventura wrote: > Hello all, can anyone comment on the use of Blackboard with JFW 11? I > will be working with a student that has to use the Blackboard software > in their classes. Which portions are accessible and what tips and > tricks are needed. Any experiences and opinions would be greatly > appreciated. > tia > Frank > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] I Have a DOS Laptop!
Several years ago, way before I knew exactly what I wanted, I asked someone to give me a computer specifically for using with DOS. He gave me an IBM Thinkpad 310 with a 2.1gb hard drive, a 133mhz processor, a screen under 13 inches, a 3.5 inch 1.44mb floppy drive, serial and parallel ports, and at least one (maybe two pcmcia slots! The catch? It only works on the adapter and it makes a weird noise every few seconds, like a descending wine. I can't figure out if it's the motor, the drive or something else. But does it work at the moment? Yes. And is it really DOS-compatible? Believe it or not, yes! Mine came with Windows 98 but I've read that they also shipped them with MS-DOS 6, which means that it's perfectly suited to my needs, since the drivers will be available. I don't know the ram on mine but it can go from 16mb to 64mb. Did I mention that all the ports and disk drive are actually in the machine, unlike in my Thinkpad X32, which I'm using right now and that, if I get a new one, the battery life is over two hours, probably more with DOS? Is this the ideal laptop? No. The sound it makes worries me, it's heavy and I might need to upgrade the ram. The hard disk isn't that large but I'll be using a compact flash card anyway, since I don't want to lose my info should the machine decide to crash. But will it serve as a cheap backup for now and for when I have my desktop but want to go out and take a DOS computer with me? Yes. I went through all this nonsense and I had it all along!!! But how can I keep track of all my computers when I have at least 14 of them? lol Now I just need to find it and the adapter, then grab some diskettes, put Enhanced DR-DOS and the IBM drivers on them and give it all to the local computer shop to fix. Opa! If I like it, then I'll either get a newer model (the last with all the ports onboard that works with DOS) or another one of these if this one gives me a problem. With great happiness, Eleni For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] Need Help Identifying a Product
Hi, Can someone please tell me what this is? I'm not sure if it's the hardware version of Open Book, if it's a computer or if it's both. Do I need software to use it or will it work on it's own? If there's anyone here who has site, could you please tell me what this looks like? http://cgi.ebay.com/Arkenstone-OBK-SPE-DECtalk-1010-Speech-Synthesizer-TTS-/370377011150?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item563c30afce Thanks, Eleni For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Difference between MS-DOS and Windows TXT files / Weird Issues with Word Perfect
So today, I decided to see how Word Perfect 5.1 and Ed.exe would read files saved as .txt in Notepad and .txt (MS-DOS format) in Wordpad. The only difference that I noticed is that the lines started and stopped at different points so that a sentence that began on one line in one format might have already begun on the line above that in the other. In both cases, VocalEyes didn't read the sentences properly in Ed.exe. The words at the end of each line would cut off. But in Word Perfect 5.1, it read the lines perfectly. I'm baffled by this, since Ed is from Word Perfect Corporation and even uses the same commands as 5.1. The only difference is that it saves as .txt and not as .wpd and it doesn't convert the .txt files to .wpd when you open them. I then checked the settings in VocalEyes in both programs and they were the same. I'm completely confused here. Why is it doing this? I would gladly use NoteWorthy, as I love that program, but the file was too large for it to handle. I'd like to try Microsoft Word 5.5, but for some reason, it's only downloadable as an .exe file and it's over 1.44mb. The DOS machine that I'm using right now only has a floppy drive (the pcmcia slot is taken up by the KeyNote Voicecard synth, which I won't remove unless absolutely necessary) so I have no way of getting the program on there. It also doesn't have the regular editor that's supposed to come with MS-DOS 6.21 and I can't seem to find that anywhere! I on't even know if it's accessible. Can anyone help me or recommend another editor for me to try? Should I use JAWS or ASAP to see if I get different results or are the settings in the program rather than in the screen reader? Thanks, Eleni On 7/14/10, Eleni Vamvakari wrote: > Last night, I went to > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text_file#Formats > > and still don't completely understand this. > > "Most Windows text files use a form of ANSI, OEM or Unicode encoding. > What Windows terminology calls "ANSI encodings" are usually > single-byte ISO-8859 encodings, except for in locales such as Chinese, > Japanese and Korean that require double-byte character sets. ANSI > encodings were traditionally used as default system locales within > Windows, before the transition to Unicode. By contrast, OEM encodings, > also known as MS-DOS code pages, were defined by IBM for use in the > original IBM PC text mode display system. They typically include > graphical and line-drawing characters common in full-screen MS-DOS > applications. Newer Windows text files may use a Unicode encoding such > as UTF-16LE or UTF-8." > > So, what's the difference between a Windows and a DOS .txt file. > Does it matter, when reading with a DOS text editor or wordprocessor, > whether I saved the file with Notepad as .txt or saved it with Wordpad > as .txt (MS-DOS format)? If not, then why does Wordpad have a MS-DOS > format option? I'm pretty sure that Notepad doesn't use unicode > because I can't save Greek files with it and always have to use > Wordpad and save them as rtf. I know that files saved as either type > of .txt will read under Word Perfect and NoteWorthy but WP (including > the text editor) acts strangely with VocalEyes at times, not reading > complete lines and sometimes skipping lines, and I'm trying to find > out why it does this. I've installed the set files for Word Perfect > Office, hoping that it would solve this problem, but it hasn't done > so. Interestingly enough, it doesn't do this with all files. I > thought that perhaps it was word wrap, but apparently, it's > automatically set to on, so that might not be the case. I need this > sorted so that I can decide how to save my documents that I'll be > transferring over to the DOS machine, or if it's not the formatting, > then I need to learn what changes have to be made either in VocalEyes > or in Word perfect so that it reads properly.. I'm currently using a > KeyNote Gold laptop, which doesn't have the built-in MS-DOS editor, so > I can't test my files there and NoteWorthy can't handle large files. > I need to save the tutorials that I found for QuickBASIC and for batch > programming, so the sooner this can be resolved the better. > > Thanks, > Eleni > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] Really Need Help with Youtube
Please forgive the sarcasm. It's certainly not meant towards anyone here. This has been on my mind for months now and I've done alot of searches to try and find a sollution but haven't found anything close to good. Youtube is such a wonderful site that it purposefully made things inaccessible to the blind so that it's impossible to upload files there using a Windows machine and a screenreader. Not satisfied with that kindness, they then did a favour for the rest of their users by forcing them to sign up with Google accounts which would then forever be associated with their youtube accounts so that if they wanted to link their youtube account to a different Gmail address they couldn't do it with a simple setting. The only way to fix this injustice, uh I mean thoughtful and considerate move, is to either close the youtube account, thereby losing all videos, comments, friends and subscriptions or to make a new account, thereby having to reupload all videos and resubscribe to channels. Essentially, it's the same thing. Needless to say, I'm one of the victims of this and have chosen to create a new account. But it seems they have done away with the "download as mp4" option in "my videos". So I now need to find a way to download my videos, as video not audio, since they don't like that either, and reupload them to the new account. But as I've said, I can only use the Mac. Now the good people at Apple have the same mind as those at youtube and only want you to use their products or ones that are specially made to work with the Mac. So I can't even download the audio from Klango and use a patch cord to hook up the IBM to the Mac and record the audio with Photobooth. Does anyone know of a site where I can download youtube videos? Again, I'm using these just for mine, not for anyone elses. If not, then is there a program that will convert mp3s to a video format or one that youtube will recognise as video? I have Switch Sound File Converter, but I think it only does audio formats. Also, by chance, is there an accessible client for uploading files from an XP machine? Better still, is there a more accessible video or audio site where I can upload my musings? I'd like one that's not censored or that's only very loosely monitored. Thanks, Eleni For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] OCR Software and Scanner RecommendationsNeeded
Did HP ever make a bundled scanner and software for DOS, and if so, was it accessible? Maybe, I just need to get that instead of looking for separate things. Also, do I need to get any kind of card, like the Truescan, or did the scanners come with their own ready-to-use interfaces that work in generic ports/slots? On 7/23/10, mark Torgerson wrote: > Hi > I have had the most experience with HP scanners. They have been real > work horses for me. I would recommend them to a friend. They usually come > with some type of OCR software. Like the HP smart document scan and or Read > Iris pro. > I hope this helps. > > God bless, > Mark > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] OCR Software and Scanner RecommendationsNeeded
So since you've been using HP products for decades, could you recommend a scanner and software for me, given my needs? As I've often said, I don't care whether it's currently in the market, as I know where to go for vintage things. I just need to know where to start. Thanks, Eleni On 7/23/10, Donald Marang wrote: > Thanks. Not personally in the market for a new scanner right now. I was a > huge fan of HP printers and scanners for decades. I had gotten frustrated > with the poor quality of the paper feeder on the HP home All-In-One printers > recently. The last OfficeJet I had was so terrible that my wife refused to > fax anything with it and drove to CVS and pay to send a fax! I was not able > to use the feeder at all! My Epson Artisan 810 has a great feeder. It has > never failed, even on large documents. It is networked and also has a > flatbed scanner. I have been using it heavily to send and receive faxes, > scan and print. The software is not impressive and they have no direct > support for Linux. It is a great device for me, but might not be perfect > for most blind users. I would like to find a mid to low range device that > has a sturdy feeder and is accessible to the blind, both in software and > operation. I am not sure many users need the powerhouse you have but I am > looking around for something to recommend. > > Don Marang > > -- > From: "mark Torgerson" > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:48 AM > To: > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] OCR Software and Scanner > RecommendationsNeeded > >> Hi Don Marang, >> I really don't know if they only come with the high end HP scanners. >> My >> impression was that they were standard features. The trick is that most >> often as a blind person we only install the drivers so that we can use our >> OCR software. In this case one needs to install all the software that >> comes >> with the scanner. Also, a person can down load most of the software for >> one's scanner from HP. I would definitely contact HP and find out if the >> scanner I was wanting to buy came with the "HP Smart Document Scan >> Software". If it does then with a little adjusting to fit one's needs you >> are good to go. >> >> God bless, >> Mark >> >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] Questions about Embossing (multiplatform)
Here are a few embosser questions. I figured it's best to ask them at once instead of creating separate topics. I have a Macbook running Snow Leopard, an though I rarely use it, feel free to consider it, along with DOS and Windows XP, when answering these. The only thing I don't know is if it will work with my embosser via a usb to serial connection. All the other machines have native serial ports. I'd like to make a hard copy of a Quickbasic, a DOS and a batch file tutorial, all of which will use symbols that are best represented in computer braille. But I've been a braille reader since I was about six-years-old, so naturally, I want the text portions to be in Grade II. Is there a way that I can translate the text as Grade II and leave the symbols etc. in computer braile? If so, which translation software is best for this and on which operating system does it run? I also have a list of vocabulary words that are in Greek and English. These are already in my computer so don't need to be scanned. But how do I get the software to switch between the two when needed for a project like this?? I'm using a Braille Blazer and would like to know how to insert the paper so that it doesn't waste a page each time I load a fresh stack. I have the manual, which is very descriptive, but I don't quite understand how this works. I think I need to insert it in reverse, so that instead of coming out of the back of the machine, it comes out of the front, but I'm not sure. Finally, I'm interested in embossing tactile graphics. I used to think that I could just take a picture, load it into the software and then emboss it. But I've read up on tactile images and it appears that the brain processes things differently haptically as opposed to visually. So the picture needs to be altered somehow. Which software is the easiest for working with graphics from the blind point of view and again, for what system? How does the image need to be changed? Thanks, Eleni For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] Internet Questions
Okay… Internet time. I'll start this post with regular dial-up questions. I'm pretty sure that I don't want a shell account, unless I want to experiment with my Apple IIGS and Proterm, but that's for another thread. So that leaves me with ppp. and slip. What's the difference between these two, other than that ppp. is faster? What about differences between 56k flex, dual 56k (shotgun) and 56k v.90/92? The other option that really interests me is ISDN. I've found several isps in New Jersey that offer it in both it's 64k (single) and 128 (dual) forms as well as something called Dual Dedicated ISDN. I read that an ISDN line is digital and not analogue and I know that the Verizon Fios line on the phone downstairs is purely digital. So would I be able to have a line brought up here and use it for an ISDN connection or would I still need to get a special one? Is it even worth it to just use the one line at 64k or am I better off with regular 56K service? I also read that there's a way to surf with speeds up to 112k with regular modems by using two phone lines through something called multilinking. Is this the dual 56k that I wrote about earlier? In any case, it sounds like something the os can do, but as with the ISDN, there's the cost to consider. Regardless of which way I choose, in dial-up at least, If I use something like NetTamer, everything's already built-in. But if I don't, I'll need to get a packet driver, preferably one with a dialer and then choose a browser. I've heard of Lynx, DosLynx and Bobcat and it's more modern clones but am not sure how well they can handle pages in 2010. Then, there's EdBrowse, which is a much newer program, but I'm not sure if it's accessible. Has anyone here ever used it, perhaps under it's Linux version? I'm referring to version 1, since that's the one that's also DOS-compatible. Of course, broadband is better but I have a few things to consider here. I've heard that DOS can handle wireless connections but need to find the proper card, Wavelan or Orinoko, and drivers. Since I'll be using a desktop, I won't be carrying it around, so I could use an ethernet connection. But the router is downstairs in the main house and I'm upstairs in my own place, so that could cause a problem. I'm also not sure if I can use it with my Verizon Fios plan because I don't know what information, if any, I'll need to connect to the net that way nor if Verizon has the proper setup to work with DOS. I'll need to find and review the page on home networks that I came across awhile ago and then call Verizon and see if they can assist me. Would anyone be able to tell me what I need as far as configuration etc? I did find two pages that might help at least with some of this. http://www.fdisk.com/doslynx/ has many drivers and programs to get me started. As a matter of fact, there are so many that I don't know where to begin. Has anyone here used any of the software listed on this page? and http://members.surfbest.net/wizard...@surfbest.net/dos.h tm has some interesting information on connecting to the net as well as some links to useful programs. Unfortunately, it hasn't been updated in awhile and some of the links are broken. It's also a bit rambly so I had to go through alot of extra commentary to get to the information that I needed. What I'd really like is an uncomplicated step by step tutorial on what I need to do because this is confusing me. Maybe, it will be easier once I'm reading it and doing it at the same time. Thanks, Eleni For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Scanning and Reading in Greek with XP
How do I identify the blocks of text if I don't know what they say? Also, one of the books is a dictionary, so I'd pretty much need to change every other word. I wouldn't know the corresponding Greek ones, which is why I'm scanning it in the first place. I mean nothing against you, so please don't take offence. I'm just very frustrated by this. Have you managed to scan Shona and another language at once with success? Thanks, Eleni On 7/22/10, Ishe Chinyoka wrote: > Try Abbyy Fine Reader. It recognises almost a thousand languages: and I was > pleasantly surprised to find that my vernacular language, Shona, which is > spoken only here in Zimbabwe and nowhere else, is there. So when I scan a > page, I can scan any English or Shona page without any problem. The latest > version version 10 is the one I'm using. > Greek and other European languages shouldn't be a problem even when they are > on one page: for example, you have a document with English on the first five > lines and Greek on the next three, then English the rest of the document. > Simply scan the document using a chosen default language: then in the Editor > of Abbyy Fine Reader, You will have to correctly identify blocks of text > that correspond with the given language. > > I don't know whether this ansers your query. If it doesn't, I trust someone > else may do it better. > > Cheers, > > Ishe > - Original Message - > From: "Eleni Vamvakari" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:45 PM > Subject: [Blind-Computing] Scanning and Reading in Greek with XP > > >> As I said in the subject, this is a Windows question, since I don't >> have a Greek synth for DOS and doubt this would even be possible. >> >> I have some books with Greek and English on the same page. When I >> try to scan the pages with Cicero, I can only scan one language at a >> time. So if I'm on English, the Greek words won't come out properly >> and vise versa. I don't have the latest version of Cicero so this >> problem may have already been addressed. If not, then does anyone >> know of a package for XP that can do this? I've heard of SCAN2TEXT, >> but am not sure if it can handle two languages at once. I'd >> especially be interested in a program that could scan things in the >> polytonic system, as I'm intending on learning Katharevousa at some >> point and still need the system to read older texts in Dimotiki. >> >> On a related note, I'd be eternally grateful if someone could tell >> me of a synthesizer that can properly read polytonic Greek. ESpeak in >> NVDA has a wonderful modern Greek version that I use every day for >> self-taught lessons and general reading, even in English. But it >> doesn't seem to be able to read the older accents. Whenever I come >> across a text with them, it mispronounces the words and acts as if >> there's nothing there whenever I review the letters with the accents >> on them. But it works fine with the regular tonos... It has an >> Ancient Greek setting as well, but I need modern, and in any case, the >> ancient one won't let me review the letters in a word at all without >> acting strangely. Can the Apollo, assuming that I could even find >> one, be used for this purpose? I don't think Hal chas that ability >> but have to try it and see. >> >> Thanks, >> Eleni >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] Scanning and Reading in Greek with XP
As I said in the subject, this is a Windows question, since I don't have a Greek synth for DOS and doubt this would even be possible. I have some books with Greek and English on the same page. When I try to scan the pages with Cicero, I can only scan one language at a time. So if I'm on English, the Greek words won't come out properly and vise versa. I don't have the latest version of Cicero so this problem may have already been addressed. If not, then does anyone know of a package for XP that can do this? I've heard of SCAN2TEXT, but am not sure if it can handle two languages at once. I'd especially be interested in a program that could scan things in the polytonic system, as I'm intending on learning Katharevousa at some point and still need the system to read older texts in Dimotiki. On a related note, I'd be eternally grateful if someone could tell me of a synthesizer that can properly read polytonic Greek. ESpeak in NVDA has a wonderful modern Greek version that I use every day for self-taught lessons and general reading, even in English. But it doesn't seem to be able to read the older accents. Whenever I come across a text with them, it mispronounces the words and acts as if there's nothing there whenever I review the letters with the accents on them. But it works fine with the regular tonos... It has an Ancient Greek setting as well, but I need modern, and in any case, the ancient one won't let me review the letters in a word at all without acting strangely. Can the Apollo, assuming that I could even find one, be used for this purpose? I don't think Hal chas that ability but have to try it and see. Thanks, Eleni For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] OCR Software and Scanner RecommendationsNeeded
Well, that answer was really directed towards the windows users on here and not me, but thanks for saying hi and I'm glad you gave them the information they needed. As for me, I want a flatbed and not a document scanner, so if anyone knows of one of those, please let me know. I highly doubt it'll be expensive now, even if it was once top of the line, unless it's a collector's item. I'll see if I can find a timeline of Scanjets. that might be the best way to go about this. Also, I have something called Recognita but it's not the last version. oes anyone know what scanners work with it? Thanks, Eleni On 7/22/10, mark Torgerson wrote: > Hi Eleni, > All the hp scanners on the market today that I am aware of are able to > use the free program called HP Document Scan. Once configured this program > will scan and do OCR on any document. Most of the documents I scan using > this program end up with close to 100% accuracy. The trick is to turn on the > function that automatically straitens and turns the document right side up. > I am in college and scanning college textbooks. God blessed me with the HP > scan jet 5000 which can scan up to 25 pages a minute double sided (duplex). > Once I figured out the HP Document Scan software in the last month or so, I > have scanned several books. I am sure there are more modestly priced options > of HP scanners out there. > > God bless, > Mark > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] Scanning and Reading in Greek with XP
As I said in the subject, this is a Windows question, since I don't have a Greek synth for DOS and doubt this would even be possible. I have some books with Greek and English on the same page. When I try to scan the pages with Cicero, I can only scan one language at a time. So if I'm on English, the Greek words won't come out properly and vise versa. I don't have the latest version of Cicero so this problem may have already been addressed. If not, then does anyone know of a package for XP that can do this? I've heard of SCAN2TEXT, but am not sure if it can handle two languages at once. I'd especially be interested in a program that could scan things in the polytonic system, as I'm intending on learning Katharevousa at some point and still need the system to read older texts in Dimotiki. On a related note, I'd be eternally grateful if someone could tell me of a synthesizer that can properly read polytonic Greek. ESpeak in NVDA has a wonderful modern Greek version that I use every day for self-taught lessons and general reading, even in English. But it doesn't seem to be able to read the older accents. Whenever I come across a text with them, it mispronounces the words and acts as if there's nothing there whenever I review the letters with the accents on them. But it works fine with the regular tonos... It has an Ancient Greek setting as well, but I need modern, and in any case, the ancient one won't let me review the letters in a word at all without acting strangely. Can the Apollo, assuming that I could even find one, be used for this purpose? I don't think Hal chas that ability but have to try it and see. Thanks, Eleni For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] OCR Software and Scanner RecommendationsNeeded
To Don: No, I'm still waiting to get the computer and install the system on it and I'm looking for a software and scanner recommendation because I don't know what to use. I've heard of HP Scanjets, but there are many varieties, and I want to get the last one made for DOS so that I can have the best one available. But I also need to insure that it will work with whatever ocr program I end up using. I love Japanese tech, so that would be marvelous! My KeyNote Gold was based off a Toshiba and is 16-years-old at least and still works... Anyway, as you said, you can sometimes find third-party drivers for things, So that's worth checking out. But if not, I wouldn't mind buying a used scanner that's tried and true. I do know of one blind person who has never used Windows and is still using MS-DOS, so I might ask her. But she's in another country (I forget which one) and may have access to things that I won't be able to find in America. To anyone interested in Windows OCR software: Here are the cheap ocr programs that I found for Windows. I first saw them at http://www.abledata.com/abledata.cfm?pageid=19327&top=15778&deep=2&trail=22,13134,13179 which has a huge list of products and descriptions from some of the latest tech to all the gems that I want to find. So you can be sure that these are accessible. Anyway, I'm listing the ones still available along with their sites and current prices. Their descriptions can be found at AbleData and at their sites but I'll include a quick note on whether they're self-voicing. Also, it might be a good idea to ask if the programs work with your particular screen access sollution and scanner, just to make sure. TEXTBRIDGE PRO 11 (updated from one on AbleData site) 79.99 (also makes Omnipage 17 and Paperport but prices not given and latest version not given on latter) Nuance Communications, Inc. http://www.nuance.com UNIVERSAL READER PLUS (self voicing and more than just an ocr program) 79.95 Premier Assistive Technology, Inc. http://www.readingmadeez.com SCAN2TEXT (not self voicing, recognises text in over 100 languages) £49.00 (ex vat) Claro Software Ltd http://www.clarosoftware.com TEXT CLONER PRO (not self voicing, also have a more expensive program, Scan and Read Pro, still under $150) 99.95 Premier Assistive Technology, Inc http://www.readingmadeez.com Hope that helps someone out. I haven't tried these, so unfortunately, can't answer questions on them. All the best, Eleni On 7/22/10, Donald Marang wrote: > I am a little confused. Do you already have a scanner with Dr-DOS > compatible drivers orr not? If so, what is the model and manufacturer? If > not, I agree that HP provides the best support for non Windows drivers. I > know that they support Linux and Mac as well as Windows. I am not sure > about straight DOS / Dr-DOS. I love my network Epson All-In-One, but I had > to go to a Japaneese subsisidary website to get Linux drivers. > > I am not knocking DOS or Dr-DOS or your decision to be dedicated to it. > However, finding support for an accessible OCR, scanner drivers and hardware > to support RS-232 and parallel ports will be increasingly difficult to find, > possibly impossible. I have not heard of any blind user support. I only > suggest Vinux because it is well supported and now has a growing number of > blind and visually impaird users supporting Vinux world wide. Plus it is > free, has small hardware requirements, and you can test drive it at no risk > using a live (bootable) CD. It will not have the performance that it would > if you install to your hard drive, but it has all of the features. > > Don Marang > > -- > From: "Eleni Vamvakari" > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:14 AM > To: > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] OCR Software and Scanner > RecommendationsNeeded > >> Thanks, but as I've said, I'm looking for a DOS-compatible scanner >> and program. I already have one for XP and know where to find cheaper >> (under $100) but still accessible ones for that os and can post them >> here if anyone's interested. >> >> Eleni >> >> On 7/22/10, Eleni Vamvakari wrote: >>> I'm not looking for a new scanner. I just want a scanner and >>> software recommendation so that I can go to Ebay or a vintage >>> computing site and buy it knowing that it's accessible and compatible >>> with what I need. >>> >>> Gods bless you too, >>> Eleni >>> >>> On 7/22/10, mark Torgerson wrote: >>>> Hi >>>> I am not sure if there is a dos based scanner on the market. right >>>> now. >>>> That may be some thing a person would ha
Re: [Blind-Computing] OCR Software and Scanner Recommendations Needed
Thanks, but as I've said, I'm looking for a DOS-compatible scanner and program. I already have one for XP and know where to find cheaper (under $100) but still accessible ones for that os and can post them here if anyone's interested. Eleni On 7/22/10, Eleni Vamvakari wrote: > I'm not looking for a new scanner. I just want a scanner and > software recommendation so that I can go to Ebay or a vintage > computing site and buy it knowing that it's accessible and compatible > with what I need. > > Gods bless you too, > Eleni > > On 7/22/10, mark Torgerson wrote: >> Hi >> I am not sure if there is a dos based scanner on the market. right >> now. >> That may be some thing a person would have to research. >> >> God bless, >> Mark >> >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] OCR Software and Scanner Recommendations Needed
I'm not looking for a new scanner. I just want a scanner and software recommendation so that I can go to Ebay or a vintage computing site and buy it knowing that it's accessible and compatible with what I need. Gods bless you too, Eleni On 7/22/10, mark Torgerson wrote: > Hi > I am not sure if there is a dos based scanner on the market. right now. > That may be some thing a person would have to research. > > God bless, > Mark > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] Why DOS
Hi there, I wrote this in response to a personal e-mail sent to me the other night and then shared it with the Blind Computer Users list but forgot to send it here. But after today's discussion, it occurred to me that some of you are curious about it as well. I'll add this before starting. Apple IIs in school aside, I started using computers in around 1996. By that time, DOS was already obselete and no one would teach me what I wanted to know. I'd refused to learn Windows prior to then and had started on my own little adventure using MS-DOS 5.0, Word Perfect 5.1, DOS for Dummies tapes that I got from the NLS, a Word Perfect tutorial from the local library and a machine that I'd inherited from a friend of the family. But eventually, the computer, with a 386 cpu, crashed and I was forced to use Windows. I then began acquiring some DOS tech to the point that I had synths and two KeyNote Gold laptops with stripped-down versions of MS-DOS 6.21. But then, I lost the cable needed for the synth and by the time I went to college, the old tech was put away. Well, I graduated from college four years ago and found that crazy cable about two years ago, so now have time to get back to the system I love. Only now, I've outgrown the laptop and want to expand to a newer and better computer, which is why I'm having that custom one built. Anyway, here's the essay. Many people throughout my life have asked me why I love DOS so much. Not being a truly technical person, I could only give a few reasons from my limited experience. I love old tech in general, and avoid touch screens on things that work perfectly fine with dials, switches and real buttons. But that's not the only reason why I love DOS. It's a fast, efficient, stable, keyboard-friendly system which doesn't require alot of power, hard drive space, ram, speed or money passed the initial cost of a synthesizer, a screen reader if you get VocalEyes (sold but no longer supported), since all others are now free. Even the machine itself is also cheap, since you don't need a top of the line computer to run this os. Of course, if you choose to get scanning software and a braille embosser, that will add money to the overall cost, but even those can be bought at a good price if you're lucky enough to find them. Most of the mainstream software is also freeware, shareware or very cheap. The newer versions of the operating system, like FreeDOS and Enhanced DR-DOS, are open source, meaning that you can tweek them to meet your needs if you have the technical knowhow. They're also updating the various versions to be compatible with modern hardware and formats so you're not limited to using only older technology. Enhanced DR-DOS was just updated last year and has it's own built-in multitasker, available since the old DR-DOS days, which, if it works with a screen reader, means that you're not stuck using only one program at a time. As for me personally, I like programs that use the tui (text user interface) and the command line or that have nice hotkeys and/or menus built in and that don't have tons of graphics, most of which are unnecessary or which complicate things without reason. For the longest time, that was as far as I could go with my answer. But after 14 years, I've found the page that explains more than I ever could about why DOS is still a viable option today and why it shouldn't be tossed aside. At the below link, you'll find 37 fallacies about DOS and why they're all wrong. Some are common misconceptions and some even surprised me. It's a bit long but definitely worth reading, especially if you know alot about operating systems and/or are looking for an alternative one that will keep you on budget and won't give you a headache. http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~ak621/DOS/DOS-Fal.html Many have said that software and resources are no longer available for DOS. If they mean ones for adaptive technology, then sadly, they're right. But there's alot out there for the mainstream. http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php and http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~ak621/DOS/DOS-Head.html (especially the second one) are both gold minds of material and have just about everything you could ever want, from links to other websites, including ones with different varieties of DOS, to programs, to tutorials and books on using the os, various programs and even programming itself, to tips and even a little humour. The only things they doen't have, as I've said, are reviews and tips on using software from the blind point of view and information on finding and using adaptive technology. I hope this explains my point of view a bit more clearly and that some people here will be able to help me. I'd really like to get my system up and running. Talk soon, Eleni For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] OCR Software and Scanner Recommendations Needed
Hi Don, I won't be using the Microsoft version, but rather, a modern one called Enhanced DR-DOS. http://drdosprojects.de It has far more capabilities than the MS version, including a multitasker and memory manager, and is still being updated to keep it current. There is also alot of software being written for various forms of DOS (the other modern one often mentioned is FreeDOS, though it's not updated as often) today, but finding out what's accessible and what's not will be an interesting challenge. As for why I prefer DOS, I'll send an essay on that in a moment, since I'm sure it will answer alot of questions and shed more light on this. In any case, it's purely a comfort thing. If I had a dollar for every time someone tried to recommend Linux, I'd have a nice stash of money. I appreciate the consideration, but have no interest in that os. It's too strange for me. The idea, for example, of not having drive letters is beyond bizarre for me. Besides, I've loved DOS ever since I was a teenager and want to get back to it, especially to learn about, and to try, all the new enhancements. Thanks, Eleni On 7/22/10, Donald Marang wrote: > I have noticed that you have expressed a desire to work strictly in a DOS > environment. Is this just from a matter of level of comfort or from a > particular application that requires DOS? I am not even sure if Microsoft > sells or supports a stand-alone DOS anymore. I do not think they have for > over a decade. I think many OCR applications, such as OmniPage support a > batch style use of their Windows product that requires no user interaction. > I do not know of any software that is sold or supported just for use in DOS > anymore. > > If you are just more comfortable in a command line interface like DOS was, > perhaps you should consider upgrading to the free Open Source world of > Linux. Linux is available with a graphical user interface, a command line > interface, or both. DOS was originally based on a limited subset of Unix. > Linux is a more powerful version of Unix. There is most likely a free > solution to every software product you use. There is a great, solid > distribution of Ubuntu, a popular flavor of Linux, called Vinux. It is > built for the blind and visually impaired community and is created by the > blind and visually impaired community. It comes with free screen readers > and magnifiers. There are also several free OCR solutions available. I am > developing a bash script, which is like a DOS batch file on steroids, that > uses simple dialogs to scan and OCR any image. The version I will post soon > will use both of the free cuneiform and tesseract OCR commands. > > If this interests you, check out vinux.org.uk for free downloads and > information. Or you can ask for more details. > > Don Marang > > -- > From: "Eleni Vamvakari" > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:58 AM > To: > Subject: [Blind-Computing] OCR Software and Scanner Recommendations Needed > >> Hi, >> >> I know that I included ocr software and a scanner in my original >> post but figured I'd make this a separate one, since we might get into >> detail. I can't seem to find out which was the last version of >> Omnipage to work with DOS. All of my Google searches come up empty. >> The only sure thing I've been able to learn is that 3.0 works with it >> but I'm pretty sure they continued supporting DOS at least a little >> while after that. Do you think Nuance could tell me? If I don't use >> that program then I need another mainstream recommendation, since the >> adaptive ones seem to have fallen off the face of the Earth. >> >> The amount of scanners out there is huge and trying to sort through >> all of them is time-consuming, not to mention almost impossible. So >> can someone please recommend a high quality DOS-compatible flatbed >> scanner? Please tell me what type of interface it uses if you know. >> Also, will I need any kind of special card or adapter to plug it into >> the computer or does it use a standard port/slot? >> >> Thanks, >> Eleni >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] OCR Software and Scanner Recommendations Needed
Hi, I know that I included ocr software and a scanner in my original post but figured I'd make this a separate one, since we might get into detail. I can't seem to find out which was the last version of Omnipage to work with DOS. All of my Google searches come up empty. The only sure thing I've been able to learn is that 3.0 works with it but I'm pretty sure they continued supporting DOS at least a little while after that. Do you think Nuance could tell me? If I don't use that program then I need another mainstream recommendation, since the adaptive ones seem to have fallen off the face of the Earth. The amount of scanners out there is huge and trying to sort through all of them is time-consuming, not to mention almost impossible. So can someone please recommend a high quality DOS-compatible flatbed scanner? Please tell me what type of interface it uses if you know. Also, will I need any kind of special card or adapter to plug it into the computer or does it use a standard port/slot? Thanks, Eleni For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] Installing a Multiple Disk Program from a Single Source
as many of you know, I'm interested in having a high density floppy disk either an LS120 or an LS 240 or maybe even an 750mb zip disk, put in my machine. So what happens if I have a program that normally spans 10 1.44mb 3.5 inch (floppies and I put it on a higher capacity disk? What do I do when I'm actually installing the program onto the computer and it asks me to install disk 2 etc? I've never figured this one out. Do I need to create some kind of batch file that would make it automatically load the disks or do I need to manually go into the directory and somehow load the files? These questions also apply to anything that was originally on a floppy that I put on cd rom or, more likely, on a compact flash card. I've also had situations in which I had the reverse and had a zip file containing the directory with all the files to a program. But they had names like Disk 1, Disk 2 etc. and when I tried to install them, I ran into the same problem, . To make things worse, there were times when I wasn't sure if the files were originally on 5.25 or 3.5 inch disks, so I could make an actual Disk 1 or Disk 2 on a 3.5 and wind up wasting space because I could've have fit the whole program onto one disk... I hope I'm not being confusing but I'm a bit confused myself here. Thanks, Eleni For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [Blind-Computing] Need Technology Recommendations
I can't speak for anyone else but I personally don't like IE after version 6. They added alot of nonsense to it that drive me crazy, and WebbIE doesn't work that well with the newer versions, which is why I switched to Firefox. But WebbIE is a very nice browser and easy to use. On 7/20/10, Alan & Terrie Robbins wrote: > Wondering how others on the list find this compared to IE? > > Al > > -Original Message- > From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com > [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com]on Behalf Of > ROSEMARIE > CHAVARRIA > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 6:37 PM > To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Need Technology > Recommendations > > > Hi, Eleni, > > I know there's this text-based web browser called web IE. > Maybe it might > work with what you're wanting to do since it's text-based. > With web IE you > don't have to worry about pictures or anything like that. > That's the only > web browser I can recommend for a simple web browser. You > can get it from > > http://www.webbie.org.uk. > > Give it a try and see if it works out for you. > > Hope this helps. > > Rosemarie > - Original Message - > From: "John_Justice" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 2:48 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Need Technology > Recommendations > > >> Eleni, >> I also have Jaws Version 2.3 as well. >> >> John Justice >> >> -- >> From: "Eleni Vamvakari" >> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:44 PM >> To: >> Subject: [Blind-Computing] Need Technology Recommendations >> >>> Hello to everyone, >>> >>> Please forgive the multiple posts that I'll be making > today, but I >>> didn't want to lump everything into one topic and confuse > everyone. I >>> promise to not make overposting a habbit and the other > posts will be >>> shorter than this one. >>> >>> In any case, my birth name is Tiffany but I intend on > switching >>> legally to Eleni, so that's what I'll be using here. > Some of you may >>> know me from Facebook, from the Zone or from other > places. I'm 26 and >>> I've loved MS-DOS ever since I was a teenager. I've used > Windows for >>> 14 years with JFW, Hal, a demo of WindowEyes and NVDA and > have also >>> used Leopard and Snow Leopard. Recently, however, I've > found a system >>> called Enhanced DR-DOS. It's based off DR-DOS and is > 100% MS-DOS >>> compatible but is still being updated to keep it modern. > My intention >>> is to switch to it for most things. To that end, I'm in > the process >>> of having a truly custom desktop built. I'm wondering if > you could >>> recommend or help me find some DOS and > screenreader-Compatible >>> technology and software such as a flatbed scanner and/or > accessible >>> ocr software, a bar code reader, an internet browser, a > txt and/or rtf >>> editor, a spreadsheet program and anything else that > comes to mind. I >>> know that there is alot of software and hardware out > there, some older >>> and some newer, but it's difficult finding out what's > accessible and >>> what's not and this is even more a problem when the > software is >>> commercial, since I'd then be stuck with something that I > can't use. >>> On the other hand, most of the places that sold the > adaptive >>> technology no longer have it or no longer exist. I'm > especially >>> interested in ocr and am considering Omnipage but don't > know which is >>> the last version for DOS. I have Recognita but not the > latest one and >>> have been searching for an Open Book Unbound but can't > find it and am >>> not sure what scanners work with it. I e-mailed Benetech > but got no >>> response. I have a Braille Blazer and two external Echos > and a >>> non-working Accent SA, so I don't immediately need a > synthesizer. >>> That said, I really would love to find something better, > especially a >>> KeyNote SA or Companion (looking for seven years with no > luck), an >>> Apollo capable of speaking in Greek or a DecTalk Express > or PC. I own >>> a KeyNote Gold Laptop with the Voicecard inside and adore > the speech, >>> but am worried about transferring it to another computer > due to it's >>> fra
Re: [Blind-Computing] Need Technology Recommendations
Thanks for the suggestion, but WebbIE is only for Windows. That said, it's a very nice program and I used it with XP before switching to Firefox. It has problems handling some of the newer webpages. But the other programs that come with it are well worth the download. Eleni On 7/20/10, ROSEMARIE CHAVARRIA wrote: > Hi, Eleni, > > I know there's this text-based web browser called web IE. Maybe it might > work with what you're wanting to do since it's text-based. With web IE you > don't have to worry about pictures or anything like that. That's the only > web browser I can recommend for a simple web browser. You can get it from > > http://www.webbie.org.uk. > > Give it a try and see if it works out for you. > > Hope this helps. > > Rosemarie > - Original Message - > From: "John_Justice" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 2:48 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Need Technology Recommendations > > >> Eleni, >> I also have Jaws Version 2.3 as well. >> >> John Justice >> >> -- >> From: "Eleni Vamvakari" >> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:44 PM >> To: >> Subject: [Blind-Computing] Need Technology Recommendations >> >>> Hello to everyone, >>> >>> Please forgive the multiple posts that I'll be making today, but I >>> didn't want to lump everything into one topic and confuse everyone. I >>> promise to not make overposting a habbit and the other posts will be >>> shorter than this one. >>> >>> In any case, my birth name is Tiffany but I intend on switching >>> legally to Eleni, so that's what I'll be using here. Some of you may >>> know me from Facebook, from the Zone or from other places. I'm 26 and >>> I've loved MS-DOS ever since I was a teenager. I've used Windows for >>> 14 years with JFW, Hal, a demo of WindowEyes and NVDA and have also >>> used Leopard and Snow Leopard. Recently, however, I've found a system >>> called Enhanced DR-DOS. It's based off DR-DOS and is 100% MS-DOS >>> compatible but is still being updated to keep it modern. My intention >>> is to switch to it for most things. To that end, I'm in the process >>> of having a truly custom desktop built. I'm wondering if you could >>> recommend or help me find some DOS and screenreader-Compatible >>> technology and software such as a flatbed scanner and/or accessible >>> ocr software, a bar code reader, an internet browser, a txt and/or rtf >>> editor, a spreadsheet program and anything else that comes to mind. I >>> know that there is alot of software and hardware out there, some older >>> and some newer, but it's difficult finding out what's accessible and >>> what's not and this is even more a problem when the software is >>> commercial, since I'd then be stuck with something that I can't use. >>> On the other hand, most of the places that sold the adaptive >>> technology no longer have it or no longer exist. I'm especially >>> interested in ocr and am considering Omnipage but don't know which is >>> the last version for DOS. I have Recognita but not the latest one and >>> have been searching for an Open Book Unbound but can't find it and am >>> not sure what scanners work with it. I e-mailed Benetech but got no >>> response. I have a Braille Blazer and two external Echos and a >>> non-working Accent SA, so I don't immediately need a synthesizer. >>> That said, I really would love to find something better, especially a >>> KeyNote SA or Companion (looking for seven years with no luck), an >>> Apollo capable of speaking in Greek or a DecTalk Express or PC. I own >>> a KeyNote Gold Laptop with the Voicecard inside and adore the speech, >>> but am worried about transferring it to another computer due to it's >>> fragility. I also have Word Perfect 5.1 and it's text editor, though >>> as you'll see in another post, it's acting a bit strangely with >>> VocalEyes. NoteWorthy is wonderful, but since it's a tsr, it can only >>> handle small files and I only have the demo. I know that no selling >>> etc. is allowed on the list, but if you have a piece of technology >>> that you think might benefit me, please e-mail me offlist. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Eleni >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3007 - Release Date: 07/15/10 > 11:09:00 > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[Blind-Computing] Writing Set Files and Screenreader Questions
Hi, I'm wondering if anyone here has ever written set files for VocalEyes or ASAP. If so, how difficult is it from the standpoint of a nonprogrammer? I've changed various options in VocalEyes via the control pannel and have saved the new options as set files associated with the programs that I was using but I don't think that writing files to make something more screenreader-accessible is the same thing. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I haven't worked with ASAP that much but hear that it's possible to write files for it as well. Right now, though, I'm just trying to figure out the very basics of that reader. JAWS for DOS is another one that I have but I've never heard of being able to make set files for it and I haven't used it yet so am not sure how it compares to the Windows versions. That said, the documentation for it is supposed to be very extensive. If such files can be written for JAWS, how easy is it to do when compared with the other readers? What reader, in your opinion, is the most flexible when it comes to trying out new software? Several DOS programs are still being written today, and a few more have been written after support for these readers was stopped, but I'm not sure if these programs write to the bios or to the screen and need to test their accessibility. Thanks, Eleni For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
