Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-22 Thread Bryon Daly
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 04:42 AM 1/21/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
It's not, actually.  None of the people I had in mind
were in any way involved in politics.  Most of them
were doctors, actually.  Massachusetts politics is
very retail.
But again, doctors aren't exactly representative of ordinary
Massachusettans.They tend to be the very sort of highly-paid people who
would be likely to donate a couple hundred dollars to a political campaign
- which is again, not ordinary.
I gotta agree with John.  I've lived in MA for approximately 16 years and 
have
plenty of friends and coworkers who lived here their whole lives, and nobody 
has ever
met (in any significant personal way) any of this state's primary 
leadership.  Being wealthy
and living in Cambridge/Boston might easily put you in that crowd, but I 
suspect my
friends/coworkers and I's experience (or lack thereof) is much more the 
norm.

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Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-21 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 11:17 PM 1/20/2004, you wrote:
At 09:00 PM 1/20/2004 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote:
  It's not that
far-fetched to have run into someone in eastern Massachusetts who'd have
run into some particular Congressman elected from that area sometime in
the past 20 years.  Especially if you were seeking out people who had
been active in political campaigns.
I read Gautam's statement as implying that it was not extraordinary for
ordinary Massachusettans to have run into one of their Senators.
JDG - Who has never so much as met his Congressional Representatie.
Have to agree with Julia here. I've met at least ten without even trying. 
Four of them I'm on a first name basis with. (Two I ride bikes with, 
another who married my cousin's widow, and the fourth is in my 
social/service club.) Two houses ago my rep's office was in the same plaza 
as my comic dealer. I walk past Santorum's office every day now but have 
not seen him yet.

Comes from living in a non-stress city:

http://www.post-gazette.com/localnews/20040113stress0113p1.asp

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Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-21 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At 09:00 PM 1/20/2004 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote:
 I read Gautam's statement as implying that it was
 not extraordinary for
 ordinary Massachusettans to have run into one of
 their Senators.
 
 JDG - Who has never so much as met his Congressional
 Representatie.

It's not, actually.  None of the people I had in mind
were in any way involved in politics.  Most of them
were doctors, actually.  Massachusetts politics is
very retail.

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Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-21 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 04:42 AM 1/21/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
It's not, actually.  None of the people I had in mind
were in any way involved in politics.  Most of them
were doctors, actually.  Massachusetts politics is
very retail.

But again, doctors aren't exactly representative of ordinary
Massachusettans.They tend to be the very sort of highly-paid people who
would be likely to donate a couple hundred dollars to a political campaign
- which is again, not ordinary.

JDG
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Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-21 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At 04:42 AM 1/21/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
 But again, doctors aren't exactly representative of
 ordinary
 Massachusettans.They tend to be the very sort of
 highly-paid people who
 would be likely to donate a couple hundred dollars
 to a political campaign
 - which is again, not ordinary.
 
 JDG

Not sure why you're fighting this one out, John.  Yes,
maybe they would be.  The doctors I'm thinking of met
Kerry at:
1) A Hospital (where they practiced) and
2) On the street in Boston
Other people met him in similar settings.  Now, to be
fair, the people who met him in political situations
had the same feeling - it seems to be rather a general
feeling about the haughty, French-looking Senator
from Massachusetts who by the way served in Vietnam.

Honestly, John, I can't imagine how a politically
active person in Maryland could have _avoided_ meeting
your Congressman.  I've run into Connie Morella (my
old Congresswoman) more times than I can count, and
_none_ of those times were at political functions, nor
is my family in the least wealthy, influential, or
politically active.  I'd be shocked if either of my
parents had ever donated to _any_ political campaign,
and they've certainly never attended any political events.

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Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I'd thought of him as rather lugubrious before, but I
was pleasantly surprised by the way he carried himself
on one of yesterday's Sunday-morning political show
interviews -- he seemed animated and much more
dynamic.
I like Kerry, he was my early-on favorite. (Not so much anymore,
though, but still I do vastly prefer him to Howard Dean).
Kerry actually spoke at my undergrad UMass graduation ceremory
back in 1990.  I don't remember the details anymore but I do recall
at the time thinking his speech was excellent.
Kerry will never be a Clinton-type charmer, but he's really not
the Gore-type stiff that he's gotten painted as.  Unfortunately,
some of his campaign PR appearance stuff apparently designed to
make him seem more regular guy-ish, has had almost the opposite
effect.  Stuff like appearing on Jay Leno riding a motorcycle,
eating a cheesesteak in Philadelphia, etc.  They came across as lame
and staged, making him look completely out of place, along the
lines of the disastrous Michael Dukakis riding in a tank photo-op.
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Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Kerry will never be a Clinton-type charmer, but he's
 really not
 the Gore-type stiff that he's gotten painted as. 
 Unfortunately,
 some of his campaign PR appearance stuff apparently
 designed to
 make him seem more regular guy-ish, has had almost
 the opposite
 effect.  Stuff like appearing on Jay Leno riding a
 motorcycle,
 eating a cheesesteak in Philadelphia, etc.  They
 came across as lame
 and staged, making him look completely out of place,
 along the
 lines of the disastrous Michael Dukakis riding in a
 tank photo-op.
 
 -bryon

My own sense of Kerry comes from five years in Boston.
 I kept running into liberal Democrats who hated,
hated, _hated_ George Bush.  They also knew (as in had
met) John Kerry (Massachusetts is a sufficiently small
state that running into a Senator is a fairly common
occurrence).  And many of them said that they would
vote for Bush before they voted for Kerry.  It was
quite remarkable - I've really never seen anything
like it.  Al Gore generated something of the same
feeling, I think, but at a far lower level of intensity.

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Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]

My own sense of Kerry comes from five years in Boston.
 I kept running into liberal Democrats who hated,
hated, _hated_ George Bush.  They also knew (as in had
met) John Kerry (Massachusetts is a sufficiently small
state that running into a Senator is a fairly common
occurrence).  And many of them said that they would
vote for Bush before they voted for Kerry.  It was
quite remarkable - I've really never seen anything
like it.  Al Gore generated something of the same
feeling, I think, but at a far lower level of intensity.
Really?  Wow.  I don't know any politicians personally,
but I never got any sense of that via news or even local
talk radio coverage about him.  Why did they dislike Kerry
so much?
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Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread Nick Arnett
Gautam Mukunda wrote:

My own sense of Kerry comes from five years in Boston.
 I kept running into liberal Democrats who hated,
hated, _hated_ George Bush.  They also knew (as in had
met) John Kerry (Massachusetts is a sufficiently small
state that running into a Senator is a fairly common
occurrence).  And many of them said that they would
vote for Bush before they voted for Kerry.  It was
quite remarkable - I've really never seen anything
like it.  Al Gore generated something of the same
feeling, I think, but at a far lower level of intensity.
What was it about Kerry?

One of my friends is a big Demo fund-raiser here in Silicon Valley and 
he jumped on the Kerry bandwagon very early.  (And so I've passed on a 
few chances to meet Kerry, based on the price tag for lunch or dinner!)

I like what Dean's organization is doing, but I'm not sure that makes 
Dean the best candidate... so I guess I'm undecided, at best. 
Uninformed, I'm afraid.

I'm often seized with a desire to vote Green.

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Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What was it about Kerry?
 
 I'm often seized with a desire to vote Green.
 
 Nick

Hi Nick.  I think that the common complaint is that he
is nothing but ambition.  That's the phrase I've
heard.  There are a bunch of stories about that.  He
started signing his name JFK when he was 19 or 20 to
make himself seem more Presidential.  My favorite is
that he founded a veterans against the war group after
Vietnam and became quite a celebrity for throwing away
his medals as a rejection of the war.  Except, as it
was later revealed, they were _someone else's_ medals.
 There's a bunch of that in his public record - he's
been a perfect weathervane.  Apparently it comes
through in his private life.  I've never met him, so I
can't say from personal experience, but those who have
all say pretty much the same things about him - that
if you're not useful to him, you're nothing to him. 
It also strikes me that the Washington Press Corps,
which is usually pathetically in the tank for any
plausible moderate Democrat, just can't _stand_ the
guy.  It's remarkable.  Mickey Kaus has written about
it a fair amount on his webpage.

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Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 05:21 PM 1/20/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Hi Nick.  I think that the common complaint is that he
is nothing but ambition.  That's the phrase I've
heard.  There are a bunch of stories about that.  Kerry
started signing his name JFK when he was 19 or 20 to
make himself seem more Presidential.  

And the funny thing is, he is running against the next JFK in John Edwards,
who not only has the boyish looks, but has two absolutely perfect, adorable
little kids to boot.

JDG
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Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 12:11 PM 1/20/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
My own sense of Kerry comes from five years in Boston.
 I kept running into liberal Democrats who hated,
hated, _hated_ George Bush.  They also knew (as in had
met) John Kerry (Massachusetts is a sufficiently small
state that running into a Senator is a fairly common
occurrence).  

Uhhh Gautam I think that you are forgetting that you are travelling
in a pretty extraordinary circle having gone from a Poli Sci major at
Harvard to McKinsey.

But yeah, I am delighted that Kerry came back from the dead in Iowa
yesterday.   I just get very bad vibes from this guy that eventually people
just won't *feel* comfortable with him the way they feel comfortable with
George Bush - and this is what eventually decides a lot of elections.

JDG
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Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread Julia Thompson
John D. Giorgis wrote:
 
 At 12:11 PM 1/20/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
 My own sense of Kerry comes from five years in Boston.
  I kept running into liberal Democrats who hated,
 hated, _hated_ George Bush.  They also knew (as in had
 met) John Kerry (Massachusetts is a sufficiently small
 state that running into a Senator is a fairly common
 occurrence).
 
 Uhhh Gautam I think that you are forgetting that you are travelling
 in a pretty extraordinary circle having gone from a Poli Sci major at
 Harvard to McKinsey.

I saw nothing extraordinary in Gautam's statement.

Then again, my perception of New England states is influenced by my time
in New Hampshire, which had a smaller population than Massachusetts.

But one of my senators came to my high school and spoke to a smallish
group of students -- no more than 80 of us, IIRC, and maybe even not
that many.  He answered questions we had.

And in the first election in which I could vote, the guy running against
him was a member of my church, so I saw him now and again.  Plus he
lived in my town, and greeted me as I was leaving the polling place,
having cast my ballot.  (What do you say to someone you've just voted
against?)

Julia
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Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread Julia Thompson
Julia Thompson wrote:
 
 John D. Giorgis wrote:
 
  At 12:11 PM 1/20/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
  My own sense of Kerry comes from five years in Boston.
   I kept running into liberal Democrats who hated,
  hated, _hated_ George Bush.  They also knew (as in had
  met) John Kerry (Massachusetts is a sufficiently small
  state that running into a Senator is a fairly common
  occurrence).
 
  Uhhh Gautam I think that you are forgetting that you are travelling
  in a pretty extraordinary circle having gone from a Poli Sci major at
  Harvard to McKinsey.
 
 I saw nothing extraordinary in Gautam's statement.
 
 Then again, my perception of New England states is influenced by my time
 in New Hampshire, which had a smaller population than Massachusetts.

snip

One other thing -- Kerry was elected to the House of Representatives
sometime in the 1980s, from a district at least close enough to Boston
that the Boston TV stations carried his campaign ads.  It's not that
far-fetched to have run into someone in eastern Massachusetts who'd have
run into some particular Congressman elected from that area sometime in
the past 20 years.  Especially if you were seeking out people who had
been active in political campaigns.

(I never ran into my own Congressional representative from that time,
but I was in the same chemistry class as one of his nieces.  I *have*
had brief dealings with the man who is now my Congressional
representative.)

Julia
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Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread Robert Seeberger

- Original Message - 
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)


 Julia Thompson wrote:
 
  John D. Giorgis wrote:
  
   At 12:11 PM 1/20/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
   My own sense of Kerry comes from five years in Boston.
I kept running into liberal Democrats who hated,
   hated, _hated_ George Bush.  They also knew (as in had
   met) John Kerry (Massachusetts is a sufficiently small
   state that running into a Senator is a fairly common
   occurrence).
  
   Uhhh Gautam I think that you are forgetting that you are
travelling
   in a pretty extraordinary circle having gone from a Poli Sci
major at
   Harvard to McKinsey.
 
  I saw nothing extraordinary in Gautam's statement.
 
  Then again, my perception of New England states is influenced by
my time
  in New Hampshire, which had a smaller population than
Massachusetts.

 snip

 One other thing -- Kerry was elected to the House of Representatives
 sometime in the 1980s, from a district at least close enough to
Boston
 that the Boston TV stations carried his campaign ads.  It's not that
 far-fetched to have run into someone in eastern Massachusetts who'd
have
 run into some particular Congressman elected from that area sometime
in
 the past 20 years.  Especially if you were seeking out people who
had
 been active in political campaigns.

 (I never ran into my own Congressional representative from that
time,
 but I was in the same chemistry class as one of his nieces.  I
*have*
 had brief dealings with the man who is now my Congressional
 representative.)


I was going to say:

Hopefully you washed the dress

But then I decided not to.

G

xponent
Hose 'N' Wash Maru
rob


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Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 09:00 PM 1/20/2004 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote:
  It's not that
far-fetched to have run into someone in eastern Massachusetts who'd have
run into some particular Congressman elected from that area sometime in
the past 20 years.  Especially if you were seeking out people who had
been active in political campaigns.

I read Gautam's statement as implying that it was not extraordinary for
ordinary Massachusettans to have run into one of their Senators.

JDG - Who has never so much as met his Congressional Representatie.
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Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread Julia Thompson
Robert Seeberger wrote:
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:00 PM
 Subject: Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)
 
  (I never ran into my own Congressional representative from that
 time,
  but I was in the same chemistry class as one of his nieces.  I
 *have*
  had brief dealings with the man who is now my Congressional
  representative.)
 
 
 I was going to say:
 
 Hopefully you washed the dress
 
 But then I decided not to.
 
 G

Actually, my current rep used to be a judge in my county.

I got called up for jury duty 3 times; the first and third times, he was
presiding over the jury pool selection stuff.  (The second time, I got
Billy Ray Stubblefield.)

I have talked with my rep, but I'm not sure I did as much as shake his
hand.  (I think I'd've remembered if I had -- I make it a point to
remember how people shake hands.)

And besides, if you knew me better, you'd know I wouldn't wear a dress
for just *any* occasion.  :)  I wore pants to jury duty selection all 3
times, frex.  (I *did* wear a dress to my sister's wedding, which is
more than can be said for her other attendant, a woman who doesn't wear
dresses, period.  Her shirt, vest and pants combination was very nice,
though.)

Julia
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Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread Julia Thompson
John D. Giorgis wrote:
 
 At 09:00 PM 1/20/2004 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote:
   It's not that
 far-fetched to have run into someone in eastern Massachusetts who'd have
 run into some particular Congressman elected from that area sometime in
 the past 20 years.  Especially if you were seeking out people who had
 been active in political campaigns.
 
 I read Gautam's statement as implying that it was not extraordinary for
 ordinary Massachusettans to have run into one of their Senators.
 
 JDG - Who has never so much as met his Congressional Representatie.

Well, if pigs had flown, hell had frozen over and the other guy had won
the senate race in NH in 1986, I *would* have run into one of my
Senators on a vaguely regular basis.  :)

Depends on who you are, where you live, what circles you move in, and
all those factors for your Senators.

And does your Congressional rep ever have these events set up where you
go and throw questions at him or her?  If there's anything like that
ever going on, you might go, just for the experience of it.

Julia

who never went to any of Smith's things like that, and is so out of it
now she has no clue about whatever Carter is doing along those lines
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Re: 2004 Elections

2004-01-19 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I haven't yet commented on the 2004 Elections here
 on the Brin-L List.

snipped most 
 First, while the old cliche goes that you should
 never make the mistake of
 re-fighting the last election I think that
 cliche meets its maker this
 year, as the 50-50 nation holds and a very tight
 race ensues.And since
 a Democratic blowout is nearly inconceivable against
 an incumbent with a
 solid economy, and a Bush blowout isn't any fun to
 discuss, I'm going to
 base the rest of my analysis on the assumption of a
 close race, and my
 general assumption of Dean as the nominee with
 someone like Clark or Bob Graham as the VP.
 
I also think that it will be a close race; having
learned a bit about Kerry I think he'd be a good bet,
but of course Dean does have that solid grass-roots
base. Clark as VP also makes sense to me.  I'm pulling
for 2 of these 3 to be on the Dem ticket (but can't
call it a prediction b/c I'm going with my gut ;} ).

And of course I'm for a Dem win...  :)

 CO - Next time around, a massive influx of Hispanics
 and suburbanites may
 make Colorado competitive, but for now Bush holds
 onto this core conservative State.

Probably so; however ~70,000 jobs have been lost
state-wide over the past 2 years (and since 1939 there
had been job growth or stability), and bankruptcies
were at an all-time high in 2003.  The forecast is
modest improvement in 2004.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/business/article/0,1299,DRMN_4_2566224,00.html
...Economists and industry leaders say it's clear
that high-tech job cuts in Colorado have subsided
compared with 2001 and 2002, when layoffs flowed like
spring runoff and companies slashed hundreds of
positions in one swipe. 

The Denver area lost an estimated 13,000 to 20,000
net jobs in 2003, which is significantly lower than
the 40,000 net decrease in 2002...

...And although the national economy is improving,
it's not bringing jobs with it. Employers added just
1,000 jobs last month, way below the 100,000 to
150,000 analysts expected.  And Colorado's
unemployment rate is at 5.6 percent, up a bit over a
year ago...

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/business/article/0,1299,DRMN_4_2508342,00.html
...The forecast for 1.5 percent job growth in the
coming year will follow two years in which Colorado
actually lost jobs - the first time that has occurred
since the Bureau of Labor Statistics began tracking
such data in 1939...


(This site has obvious bias, and their figure is
higher
-- 84K jobs lost in CO since Bush took office -- but
I include it for those who've heard the higher
number.)
http://www.ourfuture.org/docUploads/DENVER%20FINAL%20JOBS%20SHEET.pdf

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E33%257E1863913,00.html?search=filter
Colorado residents and companies filed a record
number of bankruptcy cases in 2003, outstripping the
previous year's tally by 21.3 percent. 

Brad Bolton, clerk of the U.S. Bankruptcy Court's
Colorado division, described Colorado's jump in cases
from 21,260 in 2002 to 25,786 in 2003 as the highest
percentage increase in the nation.  He does not
foresee a repeat this year.

For 2004, I do not expect the increase to continue to
accelerate at that pace, Bolton said. It's not
conceivable. We are already seeing a leveling off.

Several bankruptcy lawyers attributed the state's
jump in cases to a dramatic rise in personal filings.
Colorado's economy has struggled since 2000 amid job
losses, particularly in the telecommunications and
technology industries...

...Colorado's economy itself right now is lagging
behind most other states in terms of the recovery,
said Tom Connolly of Broomfield law firm Connolly,
Rosania and Loftstedt...

Debbi
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getting laid off

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Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-19 Thread Deborah Harrell
I wrote:

 I also think that it will be a close race; having
 learned a bit about Kerry I think he'd be a good
 bet...

I'd thought of him as rather lugubrious before, but I
was pleasantly surprised by the way he carried himself
on one of yesterday's Sunday-morning political show
interviews -- he seemed animated and much more
dynamic.

Thanks for the post, Rob.

Debbi
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2004 Elections

2004-01-18 Thread John D. Giorgis
I haven't yet commented on the 2004 Elections here on the Brin-L List.
even though I really wish that I had gotten my predictions on the written
record.   For those of you who haven't been able to discuss the elections
with me in-person, however, (basically everyone here) you might be somewhat
surprised that know that very, very, early on - i.e. back when he first
entered the race  - I identified Howard Dean as the person whom I figured
would be the Democrats' nominee.   Of course, nowadays he is essentially
the favorite for the nomination, so you'll have to take my word for it on
that prediction - as I am going to stick by my that prediction that Dean
will be the eventual nominee.

The one thing that may surprise you all, however, is that as an avowed Bush
supporter Dean is one of the two candidates whom I fear the most (the other
being Edwards.)

In the case of Edwards, I have been very impressed by his speaking ability
and his ability to connect to voters.As a Democrat elected in North
Carolina, however, he really has the ability to portray himself as a true
moderate.   And perhaps most importantly, I think that he has the real
ability to *win* North Carolina, which in a close election is devastating
to Bush's chances and really turns the electoral map on its head but
more on that later.   Now, while I definitely do fear Edwards as being very
capable of beating Bush - that isn't exactly an uncommon opinion.
Moreover, Edwards really has little chance of winning the nomination, as
even if he pulls a miracle upset in Iowa he just seems too far behind in
the rest of the nation in a very crowded primary field so I won't dwell too
much on that.   The opinion that Dean could really beat Bush, however, is a
bit more unconventional.

The first thing that impresses me about Dean is his stage presence.   Dean
strikes me as a guy who is very capable of looking Presidential - despite
the anger for which he is so often criticized.   I may have to look more
into the possibility of Dean being perceived as angry and turning off
voters, but for now, I think that voters will really admire his
convictions.   Moreover, I just think that he will look *strong*, which
will leave voters with those favorable gut feelings that so often decide
votes.

Secondly, in a tight election - and most experts predict that the 50-50
nation hasn't gone anywhere, it is support from your base that matters
most.   Dean has unparalleled ability to fire up the Democratic base -
unlike an apparatchik like Kerry whom people are mostly supporting simply
because they think he can win.   Dean pretty much is the one candidate in
the Democratic field whom Democratic voters truly want to *be* President.
  Additionally, Dean has a phenomenal independent organization working for
him - which will really help Democratic Get-Out-The-Vote efforts in
November.   Lastly, Dean is able to go toe-to-toe with Bush between the
primaries and the convention, thanks to having ducked campaign matching funds.

Thirdly - and I think that this point is underappreciated - I fear Dean
because he is so welling to counter the conventional wisdom.   Let's face
it, with the economy likely to rebound heavily in 2004, the conventional
wisdom is that the Democratic nominee is little more than a sacraficial
lamb for the incumbent.   All the models predict that the incumbent wins
big with a healthy economy.   Thus, in my mind, the only way to fight that
fatalism is to counter the conventional wisdom in every respect.   In this
respect, Dean is something like The Mule in The Foundation series - he's
the unknown quantity outside the equations who is raising tons of money,
exciting his supporters to the point of fanatacism, building a powerful
organization, and defying the conventional wisdom.

Fourth, I don't think that the historical symetry can be ignored of
President Bush winning a war in Iraq, achieving sky-high approval ratings,
and then being defeated by an insurgent campaign from a Democratic governor
of a small, marginal, State.In addition, I think some aspects of the
electoral math work in his favor.   I've heard that Dean is doing very well
among Hispanics, and I expect Dean to play very well in The Midwest - where
this election is going to be fought but more on that in a moment.

Anyhow, here is my early electoral college analysis.I invite other
Brin-L'ers to put in their own electoral college predictions over the next
week or so, and come November we can laugh at the results. :)   So here
goes

First, while the old cliche goes that you should never make the mistake of
re-fighting the last election I think that cliche meets its maker this
year, as the 50-50 nation holds and a very tight race ensues.And since
a Democratic blowout is nearly inconceivable against an incumbent with a
solid economy, and a Bush blowout isn't any fun to discuss, I'm going to
base the rest of my analysis on the assumption of a close race, and my
general assumption