Re: Ray Rice
Is anyone really surprised? I am not. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:37 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > He hasn't responded about the brown shooting either > On Sep 11, 2014 1:37 PM, "Scott Stroz" wrote: > > > > > So, let me get this straight. > > > > When you thought that she provoked him, you stated that she was 'asking > for > > trouble' and that if she did not want to get punched she should not have > > 'attacked' him. > > > > Now, when it is suggested that he may have been the one who 'attacked' > her > > first by spitting on her (twice) we need to not draw conclusions without > > complete knowledge of their long-term past relationship? That it may have > > been a drunken, crazed moment for them both? That this was all for the > > 'makeup sex'? Now you don't want to be 'on the outside looking in'? > > > > For someone who does not want to make any assumptions, you sure do make a > > big one in assuming she has 'got over' the 'event'. What are you basing > > that on? > > > > Their lives were ruined the instant that he punched her in the face. TMZ > > did not throw the punch. Neither the NFL nor the Ravens threw the punch. > > Ray Rice did. And attempting to blame any other entity besides Ray Rice > for > > the fallout for his actions is pathetic. > > > > When you thought she was 'looking for trouble' you had no problem passing > > judgement on her and her actions, but now that it appears that he was the > > instigator, we need to hold off judgement. And you were complaining > about a > > double standard. This just goes to show how much of a misogynist you > really > > are. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Rick Faircloth < > r...@whitestonemedia.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't think any of us can make draw any conclusions without complete > > > knowledge > > > of their long-term past relationship and this recent revelation. We > > > can't know whether > > > this is just a drunken, crazed moment for them both, or whether there > > > more to it. > > > > > > Maybe the woman is suffering from "Stockholm Syndrome." It's also > > > possible that > > > she's just someone for whom this wasn't a big deal. Perhaps they beat > on > > > each other > > > for awhile then enjoy the "makeup sex" that ensues. I know that sounds > > > crazy, but > > > there are all different types of people in this world. It's hard to > > > judge people's lives > > > when I don't walk in their shoes in circumstances like these. As odd as > > > it seems, > > > the fiance apparently got over the event. > > > > > > Like has been expressed previous on this forum, I just hate to know > that > > > their lives > > > have been destroyed when, apparently, they had gotten past the incident > > > and moved > > > on. Now the video shows up and all hell breaks loose for them. What > > > they've built > > > together since now is in ruins. > > > > > > TMZ should be held liable for using this video for their own > enrichment, > > > without > > > regard for the consequences concerning the lives TMZ, themselves, abuse > > for > > > their own gain. > > > > > > It's just a difficult situation to understand and even more difficult > to > > > discuss > > > from the outside looking in. > > > > > > > > > On 9/10/2014 8:39 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > If this is indeed accurate (he allegedly spat on her..twice...before > > the > > > > altercation), will it change your position that she was 'looking for > > > > trouble'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11503496/ray-rice-spat-face-fiancee-twice-punch-lines-reports > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Rick Faircloth < > > > r...@whitestonemedia.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> They *both* were victims of assault. > > > >> > > > >> If the woman had assaulted a smaller, weaker woman like she did Ray > > > >> Rice, and did the > > > >> same amount of physical damage to the smaller, weaker woman, should > > she > > > >> be charged with assault? > > > >> > > > >> Of course she should. > > > >> > > > >> The both did things that were wrong. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On 9/9/2014 9:11 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > >>> I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am > > giving > > > >> you > > > >>> to much credit. > > > >>> > > > >>> I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick > > would > > > >>> ever consider. > > > >>> > > > >>> To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole > > > thread > > > >>> started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I am > > > >>> flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. > > It > > > >> just > > > >>> does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - > > > >>> apparently, I am not the only one. > > > >>> > > > >>> I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to deserve > > > being > > > >>> punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never in > > > >> danger. > > > >>> His respo
Re: Ray Rice
He hasn't responded about the brown shooting either On Sep 11, 2014 1:37 PM, "Scott Stroz" wrote: > > So, let me get this straight. > > When you thought that she provoked him, you stated that she was 'asking for > trouble' and that if she did not want to get punched she should not have > 'attacked' him. > > Now, when it is suggested that he may have been the one who 'attacked' her > first by spitting on her (twice) we need to not draw conclusions without > complete knowledge of their long-term past relationship? That it may have > been a drunken, crazed moment for them both? That this was all for the > 'makeup sex'? Now you don't want to be 'on the outside looking in'? > > For someone who does not want to make any assumptions, you sure do make a > big one in assuming she has 'got over' the 'event'. What are you basing > that on? > > Their lives were ruined the instant that he punched her in the face. TMZ > did not throw the punch. Neither the NFL nor the Ravens threw the punch. > Ray Rice did. And attempting to blame any other entity besides Ray Rice for > the fallout for his actions is pathetic. > > When you thought she was 'looking for trouble' you had no problem passing > judgement on her and her actions, but now that it appears that he was the > instigator, we need to hold off judgement. And you were complaining about a > double standard. This just goes to show how much of a misogynist you really > are. > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Rick Faircloth > > wrote: > > > > > I don't think any of us can make draw any conclusions without complete > > knowledge > > of their long-term past relationship and this recent revelation. We > > can't know whether > > this is just a drunken, crazed moment for them both, or whether there > > more to it. > > > > Maybe the woman is suffering from "Stockholm Syndrome." It's also > > possible that > > she's just someone for whom this wasn't a big deal. Perhaps they beat on > > each other > > for awhile then enjoy the "makeup sex" that ensues. I know that sounds > > crazy, but > > there are all different types of people in this world. It's hard to > > judge people's lives > > when I don't walk in their shoes in circumstances like these. As odd as > > it seems, > > the fiance apparently got over the event. > > > > Like has been expressed previous on this forum, I just hate to know that > > their lives > > have been destroyed when, apparently, they had gotten past the incident > > and moved > > on. Now the video shows up and all hell breaks loose for them. What > > they've built > > together since now is in ruins. > > > > TMZ should be held liable for using this video for their own enrichment, > > without > > regard for the consequences concerning the lives TMZ, themselves, abuse > for > > their own gain. > > > > It's just a difficult situation to understand and even more difficult to > > discuss > > from the outside looking in. > > > > > > On 9/10/2014 8:39 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > If this is indeed accurate (he allegedly spat on her..twice...before > the > > > altercation), will it change your position that she was 'looking for > > > trouble'? > > > > > > > > > http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11503496/ray-rice-spat-face-fiancee-twice-punch-lines-reports > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Rick Faircloth < > > r...@whitestonemedia.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> They *both* were victims of assault. > > >> > > >> If the woman had assaulted a smaller, weaker woman like she did Ray > > >> Rice, and did the > > >> same amount of physical damage to the smaller, weaker woman, should > she > > >> be charged with assault? > > >> > > >> Of course she should. > > >> > > >> The both did things that were wrong. > > >> > > >> > > >> On 9/9/2014 9:11 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > >>> I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am > giving > > >> you > > >>> to much credit. > > >>> > > >>> I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick > would > > >>> ever consider. > > >>> > > >>> To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole > > thread > > >>> started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I am > > >>> flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. > It > > >> just > > >>> does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - > > >>> apparently, I am not the only one. > > >>> > > >>> I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to deserve > > being > > >>> punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never in > > >> danger. > > >>> His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting him as > > the > > >>> victim? > > >>>On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, "Vivec" wrote: > > >>> > > You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? > > Do you think women are like little kids unable to take > responsibility > > >> for > > their actions, and know right from wrong? > > > > Dropping the charges does
Re: Ray Rice
So, let me get this straight. When you thought that she provoked him, you stated that she was 'asking for trouble' and that if she did not want to get punched she should not have 'attacked' him. Now, when it is suggested that he may have been the one who 'attacked' her first by spitting on her (twice) we need to not draw conclusions without complete knowledge of their long-term past relationship? That it may have been a drunken, crazed moment for them both? That this was all for the 'makeup sex'? Now you don't want to be 'on the outside looking in'? For someone who does not want to make any assumptions, you sure do make a big one in assuming she has 'got over' the 'event'. What are you basing that on? Their lives were ruined the instant that he punched her in the face. TMZ did not throw the punch. Neither the NFL nor the Ravens threw the punch. Ray Rice did. And attempting to blame any other entity besides Ray Rice for the fallout for his actions is pathetic. When you thought she was 'looking for trouble' you had no problem passing judgement on her and her actions, but now that it appears that he was the instigator, we need to hold off judgement. And you were complaining about a double standard. This just goes to show how much of a misogynist you really are. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: > > I don't think any of us can make draw any conclusions without complete > knowledge > of their long-term past relationship and this recent revelation. We > can't know whether > this is just a drunken, crazed moment for them both, or whether there > more to it. > > Maybe the woman is suffering from "Stockholm Syndrome." It's also > possible that > she's just someone for whom this wasn't a big deal. Perhaps they beat on > each other > for awhile then enjoy the "makeup sex" that ensues. I know that sounds > crazy, but > there are all different types of people in this world. It's hard to > judge people's lives > when I don't walk in their shoes in circumstances like these. As odd as > it seems, > the fiance apparently got over the event. > > Like has been expressed previous on this forum, I just hate to know that > their lives > have been destroyed when, apparently, they had gotten past the incident > and moved > on. Now the video shows up and all hell breaks loose for them. What > they've built > together since now is in ruins. > > TMZ should be held liable for using this video for their own enrichment, > without > regard for the consequences concerning the lives TMZ, themselves, abuse for > their own gain. > > It's just a difficult situation to understand and even more difficult to > discuss > from the outside looking in. > > > On 9/10/2014 8:39 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > If this is indeed accurate (he allegedly spat on her..twice...before the > > altercation), will it change your position that she was 'looking for > > trouble'? > > > > > http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11503496/ray-rice-spat-face-fiancee-twice-punch-lines-reports > > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Rick Faircloth < > r...@whitestonemedia.com> > > wrote: > > > >> They *both* were victims of assault. > >> > >> If the woman had assaulted a smaller, weaker woman like she did Ray > >> Rice, and did the > >> same amount of physical damage to the smaller, weaker woman, should she > >> be charged with assault? > >> > >> Of course she should. > >> > >> The both did things that were wrong. > >> > >> > >> On 9/9/2014 9:11 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > >>> I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am giving > >> you > >>> to much credit. > >>> > >>> I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick would > >>> ever consider. > >>> > >>> To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole > thread > >>> started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I am > >>> flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. It > >> just > >>> does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - > >>> apparently, I am not the only one. > >>> > >>> I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to deserve > being > >>> punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never in > >> danger. > >>> His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting him as > the > >>> victim? > >>>On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, "Vivec" wrote: > >>> > You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? > Do you think women are like little kids unable to take responsibility > >> for > their actions, and know right from wrong? > > Dropping the charges doesn't mean that she didn't do anything, > it means that the lawyers decided it wasn't worth it to prosecute, and > >> they > had a stronger case against him. > > On 9 September 2014 20:47, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were later > >> dropped. > > He was then charged with aggrava
Re: Ray Rice
Sigh... Maureen, you just made my point about "twisting words." I would never hit a woman just because I "felt threatened by" her NO MATTER HOW INSIGNIFICANT THE THREAT. I would only resort to physical violence if she attacked me physically in such a manner as to present a danger of significant harm, such as stabbing me, trying to shoot me, or attempting to cave in my skull with a baseball bat. At that point, she's asking for whatever I have to give to stop the threat. Does that not make sense in terms of self-defense? On 9/10/2014 5:06 PM, Maureen wrote: > I am not distorting anything. You have stated several times that you > would hit any woman you felt threatened by. Are you now denying that > you said it, cause I'm fairly certain the thread is preserved in > multiple places. Google your name and the words "domestic abuse". > Your opinions are right there for the entire world, including > potential clients and employers, to see. > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Rick Faircloth > wrote: >> Stop twisting mine, Maureen, and I'll return the favor... >> >> >> On 9/10/2014 4:54 PM, Maureen wrote: >>> Rick, you are twisting my words completely. I have never stated that >>> a woman cannot be at fault for physically assaulting a man. In fact, >>> I have worked with men who are abused. >>> >>> What I said was it is never acceptable for a man to hit a woman in the >>> face with his fist - that is abuse, pure and simple. It would also be >>> abuse if a woman hit a man in the face with her fist, especially if >>> the man was substantially smaller than the woman. >>> >>> But you go right ahead with your distortions and insults. I'm not the >>> only one reading it and you are digging a deep hole for yourself. >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Rick Faircloth >>> wrote: I would never strike a woman first, Maureen. (Unless in a war) But if you decided you wanted to attack me physically, and were a potential threat, you'd get what you asked for. But I understand that, in your view, a woman can never be at fault for physically assaulting a man. I guess men are just supposed to women's punching bags (or knife targets, gun targets) and be "man enough" to just take the abuse. In all circumstances, women are victims because they are, well, women. On 9/10/2014 4:34 PM, Maureen wrote: > If we block and ignore him, that gives him free reign to spread his > toxic opinions unchecked. On most issues, that would not likely be > harmful On this one, the truth needs to be told. If, as his postings > indicate, he is okay with abuse and has admitted he would strike a > woman who confronted him, the community needs to know it. I would not > want him near me - as a co-worker or at a convention - so knowing his > issues and stance helps me protect myself from any potential contact. > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Dana wrote: >> oh wait are you fucking kidding me? Judith? Character assassination? >> >> pause... >> >> I am already filtering him. I just realized that. I see him because >> people >> are responding to him. >> >> I propose group block and ignore. >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> >>> Rick, >>> >>> It is impossible for anyone to perform a character assassination on you. >>> You cannot assassinate something does does not exist. >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Rick Faircloth >>> >>> wrote: >>> I'm not inclined to accept character assassination from anyone, male or female. If she doesn't like conflict, she shouldn't start one. On 9/10/2014 4:05 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > Why did you need to respond, there's this thing called "picking your > battles". But you don't understand the concept of adequate response, how > could you understand this.. > On Sep 10, 2014 3:58 PM, "Rick Faircloth" wrote: >> And Maureen is just being a liar, stating that I "insist that the >>> fault >> is always >> with the victim." I don't like my words being twisted by someone who can't >> understand them. And I was trying to "gently" rebuff her false accusation. >> She threw the first punch. I responded. Who was the first victim? >> >> Oh, but Maureen gets a pass for her abusive tone because she's a >>> woman. >> Did Maureen provoke my response in any way, Scott, you asshole. ;o) >> >> >> >> >> On 9/10/2014 3:51 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: >>> Now you're just being a dick.. >>> On Sep 10, 2014 3:49 PM, "Rick Faircloth" >> wrote: "But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always >>
Re: Ray Rice
I don't think any of us can make draw any conclusions without complete knowledge of their long-term past relationship and this recent revelation. We can't know whether this is just a drunken, crazed moment for them both, or whether there more to it. Maybe the woman is suffering from "Stockholm Syndrome." It's also possible that she's just someone for whom this wasn't a big deal. Perhaps they beat on each other for awhile then enjoy the "makeup sex" that ensues. I know that sounds crazy, but there are all different types of people in this world. It's hard to judge people's lives when I don't walk in their shoes in circumstances like these. As odd as it seems, the fiance apparently got over the event. Like has been expressed previous on this forum, I just hate to know that their lives have been destroyed when, apparently, they had gotten past the incident and moved on. Now the video shows up and all hell breaks loose for them. What they've built together since now is in ruins. TMZ should be held liable for using this video for their own enrichment, without regard for the consequences concerning the lives TMZ, themselves, abuse for their own gain. It's just a difficult situation to understand and even more difficult to discuss from the outside looking in. On 9/10/2014 8:39 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > If this is indeed accurate (he allegedly spat on her..twice...before the > altercation), will it change your position that she was 'looking for > trouble'? > > http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11503496/ray-rice-spat-face-fiancee-twice-punch-lines-reports > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Rick Faircloth > wrote: > >> They *both* were victims of assault. >> >> If the woman had assaulted a smaller, weaker woman like she did Ray >> Rice, and did the >> same amount of physical damage to the smaller, weaker woman, should she >> be charged with assault? >> >> Of course she should. >> >> The both did things that were wrong. >> >> >> On 9/9/2014 9:11 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>> I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am giving >> you >>> to much credit. >>> >>> I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick would >>> ever consider. >>> >>> To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole thread >>> started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I am >>> flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. It >> just >>> does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - >>> apparently, I am not the only one. >>> >>> I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to deserve being >>> punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never in >> danger. >>> His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting him as the >>> victim? >>>On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, "Vivec" wrote: >>> You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? Do you think women are like little kids unable to take responsibility >> for their actions, and know right from wrong? Dropping the charges doesn't mean that she didn't do anything, it means that the lawyers decided it wasn't worth it to prosecute, and >> they had a stronger case against him. On 9 September 2014 20:47, Scott Stroz wrote: > Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were later >> dropped. > He was then charged with aggravated assault. > > I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would you guys think > they were also 'looking for trouble'? > >> > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372504 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
If this is indeed accurate (he allegedly spat on her..twice...before the altercation), will it change your position that she was 'looking for trouble'? http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11503496/ray-rice-spat-face-fiancee-twice-punch-lines-reports On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: > > They *both* were victims of assault. > > If the woman had assaulted a smaller, weaker woman like she did Ray > Rice, and did the > same amount of physical damage to the smaller, weaker woman, should she > be charged with assault? > > Of course she should. > > The both did things that were wrong. > > > On 9/9/2014 9:11 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am giving > you > > to much credit. > > > > I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick would > > ever consider. > > > > To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole thread > > started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I am > > flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. It > just > > does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - > > apparently, I am not the only one. > > > > I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to deserve being > > punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never in > danger. > > His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting him as the > > victim? > > On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, "Vivec" wrote: > > > >> You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? > >> Do you think women are like little kids unable to take responsibility > for > >> their actions, and know right from wrong? > >> > >> Dropping the charges doesn't mean that she didn't do anything, > >> it means that the lawyers decided it wasn't worth it to prosecute, and > they > >> had a stronger case against him. > >> > >> On 9 September 2014 20:47, Scott Stroz wrote: > >> > >>> Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were later > dropped. > >>> He was then charged with aggravated assault. > >>> > >>> I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would you guys > >> think > >>> they were also 'looking for trouble'? > >>> > >> > >> > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372494 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
You always go straight for the personal attacks. You are almost never attacked first. . On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Maybe you are not paying attention, because I am only responding to > what he is saying. > > As for vicious attacks on conservatives, this is not a political > issue, it is a moral issue, and I will not sit silent while anyone - > liberal or conservative - takes a stance like Rick/Sam on domestic > abuse. "She was asking for it" or "blaming the victim" are not > acceptable views. > > And as for who is has been attacked the most on this list, I'd bet > dollars I would win that contest. I can't make a single post here on > a controversial topic without being personally attacked. I don't care > - because I simply consider the source. The difference is I mostly > attack the opinion, not the poster, except in the case of Sam, who > struck first. > > As for the other people on the list attacking conservatives, they > mostly (with the exception of Eric) attack the opinion. If you read > back through some of the political threads, it because apparent very > quickly who is practicing debate and who is only using the standard > disinformation techniques of false analogy, labeling and ad hominem. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372491 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
I didn't notice. . On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Vivec wrote: > Do you realise that almost everyone with a "conservative" ideology that > joins the list > gets attacked viciously after a short time of posting? > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372490 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Fracking auto correct. The last paragraph on the previous message should say: As for the other people on the list attacking conservatives, they mostly (with the exception of Eric) attack the opinion. If you read back through some of the political threads, it becomes apparent very quickly who is practicing debate and who is only using the standard disinformation techniques of false analogy, labeling and ad hominem. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372486 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Maybe you are not paying attention, because I am only responding to what he is saying. As for vicious attacks on conservatives, this is not a political issue, it is a moral issue, and I will not sit silent while anyone - liberal or conservative - takes a stance like Rick/Sam on domestic abuse. "She was asking for it" or "blaming the victim" are not acceptable views. And as for who is has been attacked the most on this list, I'd bet dollars I would win that contest. I can't make a single post here on a controversial topic without being personally attacked. I don't care - because I simply consider the source. The difference is I mostly attack the opinion, not the poster, except in the case of Sam, who struck first. As for the other people on the list attacking conservatives, they mostly (with the exception of Eric) attack the opinion. If you read back through some of the political threads, it because apparent very quickly who is practicing debate and who is only using the standard disinformation techniques of false analogy, labeling and ad hominem. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 5:34 PM, Vivec wrote: > > I haven't gotten any of this from what Rick posted. But maybe I wasn't > paying enough attention. > > I think the whole what-Rick-said has gotten way over the top. > > Do you realise that almost everyone with a "conservative" ideology that > joins the list > gets attacked viciously after a short time of posting? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372485 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
I think there are more conservatives ( of varying ideologies ) on this list than we know. And I don't remember Hatton, who I would consider fairly conservative, being attacked in this way. And in this case, although I would not consider you conservative on many topics, you are getting a similar talking-to although of a different tone (due I think to your tone in response). On the other side, I see a similar treatment of Eric (and Dana back in the day) when their conversation style became abusive. On Wednesday, September 10, 2014, Vivec wrote: > > I haven't gotten any of this from what Rick posted. But maybe I wasn't > paying enough attention. > > I think the whole what-Rick-said has gotten way over the top. > > Do you realise that almost everyone with a "conservative" ideology that > joins the list > gets attacked viciously after a short time of posting? > > On 10 September 2014 17:30, Scott Stroz > > wrote: > > > > > > If, as his postings > > > indicate, he is okay with abuse and has admitted he would strike a > > > woman who confronted him, the community needs to know it. > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372483 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
I haven't gotten any of this from what Rick posted. But maybe I wasn't paying enough attention. I think the whole what-Rick-said has gotten way over the top. Do you realise that almost everyone with a "conservative" ideology that joins the list gets attacked viciously after a short time of posting? On 10 September 2014 17:30, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > If, as his postings > > indicate, he is okay with abuse and has admitted he would strike a > > woman who confronted him, the community needs to know it. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372479 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Good point, Maureen. Someone has skyrocketed to the top of my 'Do not hire/Do not work with' list over the last day or so. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Maureen wrote: > > If we block and ignore him, that gives him free reign to spread his > toxic opinions unchecked. On most issues, that would not likely be > harmful On this one, the truth needs to be told. If, as his postings > indicate, he is okay with abuse and has admitted he would strike a > woman who confronted him, the community needs to know it. I would not > want him near me - as a co-worker or at a convention - so knowing his > issues and stance helps me protect myself from any potential contact. > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Dana wrote: > > > > oh wait are you fucking kidding me? Judith? Character assassination? > > > > pause... > > > > I am already filtering him. I just realized that. I see him because > people > > are responding to him. > > > > I propose group block and ignore. > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > >> > >> Rick, > >> > >> It is impossible for anyone to perform a character assassination on you. > >> You cannot assassinate something does does not exist. > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Rick Faircloth < > r...@whitestonemedia.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > I'm not inclined to accept character assassination from anyone, male > or > >> > female. > >> > > >> > If she doesn't like conflict, she shouldn't start one. > >> > > >> > > >> > On 9/10/2014 4:05 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > >> > > Why did you need to respond, there's this thing called "picking > your > >> > > battles". But you don't understand the concept of adequate > response, > >> > how > >> > > could you understand this.. > >> > > On Sep 10, 2014 3:58 PM, "Rick Faircloth" > > >> > wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> And Maureen is just being a liar, stating that I "insist that the > >> fault > >> > >> is always > >> > >> with the victim." I don't like my words being twisted by someone > who > >> > can't > >> > >> understand them. And I was trying to "gently" rebuff her false > >> > accusation. > >> > >> > >> > >> She threw the first punch. I responded. Who was the first victim? > >> > >> > >> > >> Oh, but Maureen gets a pass for her abusive tone because she's a > >> woman. > >> > >> > >> > >> Did Maureen provoke my response in any way, Scott, you asshole. ;o) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 9/10/2014 3:51 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > >> > >>> Now you're just being a dick.. > >> > >>> On Sep 10, 2014 3:49 PM, "Rick Faircloth" < > r...@whitestonemedia.com> > >> > >> wrote: > >> > "But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always > >> with > >> > the victim." > >> > > >> > Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to think clearly, Maureen. > >> > > >> > > >> > On 9/10/2014 1:39 PM, Maureen wrote: > >> > > There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. > >> Mostly > >> > > they consist of women who are too cowed or dependent to leave, > and > >> > > men who aren't quite violent enough to kill them. One in three > >> > > homicides of women is related to domestic violence. Twenty-five > >> > > percent of the homeless families are related to domestic > violence. > >> > > Most domestic violence incidents are not reported. > >> > > > >> > > But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always > >> with > >> > > the victim. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, GMoney > >> wrote: > >> > >> Meh, abusive relationships can last..they just really suck > for > >> > everyone > >> > >> involved. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Vivec > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. > >> > >>> Plates tend to fly. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney > wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has > >> > entered > >> > the > >> > picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be > heated, > >> > >> they > >> > can > >> > be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. > >> These > >> > things > >> > happen in relationships and can be mended. > >> > > >> > But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going > >> back. > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372477 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf
Re: Ray Rice
I am not distorting anything. You have stated several times that you would hit any woman you felt threatened by. Are you now denying that you said it, cause I'm fairly certain the thread is preserved in multiple places. Google your name and the words "domestic abuse". Your opinions are right there for the entire world, including potential clients and employers, to see. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: > > Stop twisting mine, Maureen, and I'll return the favor... > > > On 9/10/2014 4:54 PM, Maureen wrote: >> Rick, you are twisting my words completely. I have never stated that >> a woman cannot be at fault for physically assaulting a man. In fact, >> I have worked with men who are abused. >> >> What I said was it is never acceptable for a man to hit a woman in the >> face with his fist - that is abuse, pure and simple. It would also be >> abuse if a woman hit a man in the face with her fist, especially if >> the man was substantially smaller than the woman. >> >> But you go right ahead with your distortions and insults. I'm not the >> only one reading it and you are digging a deep hole for yourself. >> >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Rick Faircloth >> wrote: >>> I would never strike a woman first, Maureen. (Unless in a war) >>> >>> But if you decided you wanted to attack me physically, and were a >>> potential threat, >>> you'd get what you asked for. But I understand that, in your view, a >>> woman can >>> never be at fault for physically assaulting a man. I guess men are just >>> supposed to >>> women's punching bags (or knife targets, gun targets) and be "man enough" to >>> just take the abuse. >>> >>> In all circumstances, women are victims because they are, well, women. >>> >>> >>> On 9/10/2014 4:34 PM, Maureen wrote: If we block and ignore him, that gives him free reign to spread his toxic opinions unchecked. On most issues, that would not likely be harmful On this one, the truth needs to be told. If, as his postings indicate, he is okay with abuse and has admitted he would strike a woman who confronted him, the community needs to know it. I would not want him near me - as a co-worker or at a convention - so knowing his issues and stance helps me protect myself from any potential contact. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Dana wrote: > oh wait are you fucking kidding me? Judith? Character assassination? > > pause... > > I am already filtering him. I just realized that. I see him because people > are responding to him. > > I propose group block and ignore. > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > >> Rick, >> >> It is impossible for anyone to perform a character assassination on you. >> You cannot assassinate something does does not exist. >> >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Rick Faircloth >> >> wrote: >> >>> I'm not inclined to accept character assassination from anyone, male or >>> female. >>> >>> If she doesn't like conflict, she shouldn't start one. >>> >>> >>> On 9/10/2014 4:05 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: Why did you need to respond, there's this thing called "picking your battles". But you don't understand the concept of adequate response, >>> how could you understand this.. On Sep 10, 2014 3:58 PM, "Rick Faircloth" >>> wrote: > And Maureen is just being a liar, stating that I "insist that the >> fault > is always > with the victim." I don't like my words being twisted by someone who >>> can't > understand them. And I was trying to "gently" rebuff her false >>> accusation. > She threw the first punch. I responded. Who was the first victim? > > Oh, but Maureen gets a pass for her abusive tone because she's a >> woman. > Did Maureen provoke my response in any way, Scott, you asshole. ;o) > > > > > On 9/10/2014 3:51 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: >> Now you're just being a dick.. >> On Sep 10, 2014 3:49 PM, "Rick Faircloth" > wrote: >>> "But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always >> with >>> the victim." >>> >>> Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to think clearly, Maureen. >>> >>> >>> On 9/10/2014 1:39 PM, Maureen wrote: There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. >> Mostly they consist of women who are too cowed or dependent to leave, and men who aren't quite violent enough to kill them. One in three homicides of women is related to domestic violence. Twenty-five percent of the homeless families are related to domestic violence. Most domestic violence incidents are not reported. But peop
Re: Ray Rice
Stop twisting mine, Maureen, and I'll return the favor... On 9/10/2014 4:54 PM, Maureen wrote: > Rick, you are twisting my words completely. I have never stated that > a woman cannot be at fault for physically assaulting a man. In fact, > I have worked with men who are abused. > > What I said was it is never acceptable for a man to hit a woman in the > face with his fist - that is abuse, pure and simple. It would also be > abuse if a woman hit a man in the face with her fist, especially if > the man was substantially smaller than the woman. > > But you go right ahead with your distortions and insults. I'm not the > only one reading it and you are digging a deep hole for yourself. > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Rick Faircloth > wrote: >> I would never strike a woman first, Maureen. (Unless in a war) >> >> But if you decided you wanted to attack me physically, and were a >> potential threat, >> you'd get what you asked for. But I understand that, in your view, a >> woman can >> never be at fault for physically assaulting a man. I guess men are just >> supposed to >> women's punching bags (or knife targets, gun targets) and be "man enough" to >> just take the abuse. >> >> In all circumstances, women are victims because they are, well, women. >> >> >> On 9/10/2014 4:34 PM, Maureen wrote: >>> If we block and ignore him, that gives him free reign to spread his >>> toxic opinions unchecked. On most issues, that would not likely be >>> harmful On this one, the truth needs to be told. If, as his postings >>> indicate, he is okay with abuse and has admitted he would strike a >>> woman who confronted him, the community needs to know it. I would not >>> want him near me - as a co-worker or at a convention - so knowing his >>> issues and stance helps me protect myself from any potential contact. >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Dana wrote: oh wait are you fucking kidding me? Judith? Character assassination? pause... I am already filtering him. I just realized that. I see him because people are responding to him. I propose group block and ignore. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > Rick, > > It is impossible for anyone to perform a character assassination on you. > You cannot assassinate something does does not exist. > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Rick Faircloth > wrote: > >> I'm not inclined to accept character assassination from anyone, male or >> female. >> >> If she doesn't like conflict, she shouldn't start one. >> >> >> On 9/10/2014 4:05 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: >>> Why did you need to respond, there's this thing called "picking your >>> battles". But you don't understand the concept of adequate response, >> how >>> could you understand this.. >>> On Sep 10, 2014 3:58 PM, "Rick Faircloth" >> wrote: And Maureen is just being a liar, stating that I "insist that the > fault is always with the victim." I don't like my words being twisted by someone who >> can't understand them. And I was trying to "gently" rebuff her false >> accusation. She threw the first punch. I responded. Who was the first victim? Oh, but Maureen gets a pass for her abusive tone because she's a > woman. Did Maureen provoke my response in any way, Scott, you asshole. ;o) On 9/10/2014 3:51 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > Now you're just being a dick.. > On Sep 10, 2014 3:49 PM, "Rick Faircloth" wrote: >> "But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always > with >> the victim." >> >> Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to think clearly, Maureen. >> >> >> On 9/10/2014 1:39 PM, Maureen wrote: >>> There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. > Mostly >>> they consist of women who are too cowed or dependent to leave, and >>> men who aren't quite violent enough to kill them. One in three >>> homicides of women is related to domestic violence. Twenty-five >>> percent of the homeless families are related to domestic violence. >>> Most domestic violence incidents are not reported. >>> >>> But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always > with >>> the victim. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, GMoney > wrote: Meh, abusive relationships can last..they just really suck for >> everyone involved. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Vivec > wrote: > Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. > Plates tend to fly. > > On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMo
Re: Ray Rice
Finally! A sane person! On 9/10/2014 4:43 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > As a plea of sanity here, just as there is no justification for Rice to > punch his fiance, I think we need to as a group dial down the rhetoric and > personal attacks. > > Even IF someone is defending Rice, or thinks what he did was OK, or is just > playing devils advocate or trolling, that doesn't take away YOUR need for > civility or decorum. > > Disagree. Argue. Think less of a person. But name calling and questioning > someone's soul is a little much I think. > > âOr so I think. > > Of course, we might not have all the facts on the Rice video, and should > therefore withhold judgment and outrage. For example, there COULD have been > a really annoying bee on her, and she might be allergic to bees. He might > have SAVED HER LIFE. > > Well, it could be. > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372471 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
SOP for this list. Why are we concerned now? . On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > As a plea of sanity here, just as there is no justification for Rice to > punch his fiance, I think we need to as a group dial down the rhetoric and > personal attacks. > > Even IF someone is defending Rice, or thinks what he did was OK, or is just > playing devils advocate or trolling, that doesn't take away YOUR need for > civility or decorum. > > Disagree. Argue. Think less of a person. But name calling and questioning > someone's soul is a little much I think. > > Or so I think. > > Of course, we might not have all the facts on the Rice video, and should > therefore withhold judgment and outrage. For example, there COULD have been > a really annoying bee on her, and she might be allergic to bees. He might > have SAVED HER LIFE. > > Well, it could be. > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372470 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
As a plea of sanity here, just as there is no justification for Rice to punch his fiance, I think we need to as a group dial down the rhetoric and personal attacks. Even IF someone is defending Rice, or thinks what he did was OK, or is just playing devils advocate or trolling, that doesn't take away YOUR need for civility or decorum. Disagree. Argue. Think less of a person. But name calling and questioning someone's soul is a little much I think. âOr so I think. Of course, we might not have all the facts on the Rice video, and should therefore withhold judgment and outrage. For example, there COULD have been a really annoying bee on her, and she might be allergic to bees. He might have SAVED HER LIFE. Well, it could be. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372469 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
good point On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Maureen wrote: > > If we block and ignore him, that gives him free reign to spread his > toxic opinions unchecked. On most issues, that would not likely be > harmful On this one, the truth needs to be told. If, as his postings > indicate, he is okay with abuse and has admitted he would strike a > woman who confronted him, the community needs to know it. I would not > want him near me - as a co-worker or at a convention - so knowing his > issues and stance helps me protect myself from any potential contact. > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Dana wrote: > > > > oh wait are you fucking kidding me? Judith? Character assassination? > > > > pause... > > > > I am already filtering him. I just realized that. I see him because > people > > are responding to him. > > > > I propose group block and ignore. > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > >> > >> Rick, > >> > >> It is impossible for anyone to perform a character assassination on you. > >> You cannot assassinate something does does not exist. > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Rick Faircloth < > r...@whitestonemedia.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > I'm not inclined to accept character assassination from anyone, male > or > >> > female. > >> > > >> > If she doesn't like conflict, she shouldn't start one. > >> > > >> > > >> > On 9/10/2014 4:05 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > >> > > Why did you need to respond, there's this thing called "picking > your > >> > > battles". But you don't understand the concept of adequate > response, > >> > how > >> > > could you understand this.. > >> > > On Sep 10, 2014 3:58 PM, "Rick Faircloth" > > >> > wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> And Maureen is just being a liar, stating that I "insist that the > >> fault > >> > >> is always > >> > >> with the victim." I don't like my words being twisted by someone > who > >> > can't > >> > >> understand them. And I was trying to "gently" rebuff her false > >> > accusation. > >> > >> > >> > >> She threw the first punch. I responded. Who was the first victim? > >> > >> > >> > >> Oh, but Maureen gets a pass for her abusive tone because she's a > >> woman. > >> > >> > >> > >> Did Maureen provoke my response in any way, Scott, you asshole. ;o) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 9/10/2014 3:51 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > >> > >>> Now you're just being a dick.. > >> > >>> On Sep 10, 2014 3:49 PM, "Rick Faircloth" < > r...@whitestonemedia.com> > >> > >> wrote: > >> > "But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always > >> with > >> > the victim." > >> > > >> > Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to think clearly, Maureen. > >> > > >> > > >> > On 9/10/2014 1:39 PM, Maureen wrote: > >> > > There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. > >> Mostly > >> > > they consist of women who are too cowed or dependent to leave, > and > >> > > men who aren't quite violent enough to kill them. One in three > >> > > homicides of women is related to domestic violence. Twenty-five > >> > > percent of the homeless families are related to domestic > violence. > >> > > Most domestic violence incidents are not reported. > >> > > > >> > > But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always > >> with > >> > > the victim. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, GMoney > >> wrote: > >> > >> Meh, abusive relationships can last..they just really suck > for > >> > everyone > >> > >> involved. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Vivec > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. > >> > >>> Plates tend to fly. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney > wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has > >> > entered > >> > the > >> > picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be > heated, > >> > >> they > >> > can > >> > be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. > >> These > >> > things > >> > happen in relationships and can be mended. > >> > > >> > But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going > >> back. > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372467 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
I would never strike a woman first, Maureen. (Unless in a war) But if you decided you wanted to attack me physically, and were a potential threat, you'd get what you asked for. But I understand that, in your view, a woman can never be at fault for physically assaulting a man. I guess men are just supposed to women's punching bags (or knife targets, gun targets) and be "man enough" to just take the abuse. In all circumstances, women are victims because they are, well, women. On 9/10/2014 4:34 PM, Maureen wrote: > If we block and ignore him, that gives him free reign to spread his > toxic opinions unchecked. On most issues, that would not likely be > harmful On this one, the truth needs to be told. If, as his postings > indicate, he is okay with abuse and has admitted he would strike a > woman who confronted him, the community needs to know it. I would not > want him near me - as a co-worker or at a convention - so knowing his > issues and stance helps me protect myself from any potential contact. > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Dana wrote: >> oh wait are you fucking kidding me? Judith? Character assassination? >> >> pause... >> >> I am already filtering him. I just realized that. I see him because people >> are responding to him. >> >> I propose group block and ignore. >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> >>> Rick, >>> >>> It is impossible for anyone to perform a character assassination on you. >>> You cannot assassinate something does does not exist. >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Rick Faircloth >>> wrote: >>> I'm not inclined to accept character assassination from anyone, male or female. If she doesn't like conflict, she shouldn't start one. On 9/10/2014 4:05 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > Why did you need to respond, there's this thing called "picking your > battles". But you don't understand the concept of adequate response, how > could you understand this.. > On Sep 10, 2014 3:58 PM, "Rick Faircloth" wrote: >> And Maureen is just being a liar, stating that I "insist that the >>> fault >> is always >> with the victim." I don't like my words being twisted by someone who can't >> understand them. And I was trying to "gently" rebuff her false accusation. >> She threw the first punch. I responded. Who was the first victim? >> >> Oh, but Maureen gets a pass for her abusive tone because she's a >>> woman. >> Did Maureen provoke my response in any way, Scott, you asshole. ;o) >> >> >> >> >> On 9/10/2014 3:51 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: >>> Now you're just being a dick.. >>> On Sep 10, 2014 3:49 PM, "Rick Faircloth" >> wrote: "But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always >>> with the victim." Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to think clearly, Maureen. On 9/10/2014 1:39 PM, Maureen wrote: > There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. >>> Mostly > they consist of women who are too cowed or dependent to leave, and > men who aren't quite violent enough to kill them. One in three > homicides of women is related to domestic violence. Twenty-five > percent of the homeless families are related to domestic violence. > Most domestic violence incidents are not reported. > > But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always >>> with > the victim. > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, GMoney >>> wrote: >> Meh, abusive relationships can last..they just really suck for everyone >> involved. >> >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Vivec >>> wrote: >>> Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. >>> Plates tend to fly. >>> >>> On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney wrote: >>> Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has entered the picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, >> they can be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. >>> These things happen in relationships and can be mended. But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going >>> back. >>> >> > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372465 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
If we block and ignore him, that gives him free reign to spread his toxic opinions unchecked. On most issues, that would not likely be harmful On this one, the truth needs to be told. If, as his postings indicate, he is okay with abuse and has admitted he would strike a woman who confronted him, the community needs to know it. I would not want him near me - as a co-worker or at a convention - so knowing his issues and stance helps me protect myself from any potential contact. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Dana wrote: > > oh wait are you fucking kidding me? Judith? Character assassination? > > pause... > > I am already filtering him. I just realized that. I see him because people > are responding to him. > > I propose group block and ignore. > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > >> >> Rick, >> >> It is impossible for anyone to perform a character assassination on you. >> You cannot assassinate something does does not exist. >> >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Rick Faircloth >> wrote: >> >> > >> > I'm not inclined to accept character assassination from anyone, male or >> > female. >> > >> > If she doesn't like conflict, she shouldn't start one. >> > >> > >> > On 9/10/2014 4:05 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: >> > > Why did you need to respond, there's this thing called "picking your >> > > battles". But you don't understand the concept of adequate response, >> > how >> > > could you understand this.. >> > > On Sep 10, 2014 3:58 PM, "Rick Faircloth" >> > wrote: >> > > >> > >> And Maureen is just being a liar, stating that I "insist that the >> fault >> > >> is always >> > >> with the victim." I don't like my words being twisted by someone who >> > can't >> > >> understand them. And I was trying to "gently" rebuff her false >> > accusation. >> > >> >> > >> She threw the first punch. I responded. Who was the first victim? >> > >> >> > >> Oh, but Maureen gets a pass for her abusive tone because she's a >> woman. >> > >> >> > >> Did Maureen provoke my response in any way, Scott, you asshole. ;o) >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On 9/10/2014 3:51 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: >> > >>> Now you're just being a dick.. >> > >>> On Sep 10, 2014 3:49 PM, "Rick Faircloth" >> > >> wrote: >> > "But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always >> with >> > the victim." >> > >> > Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to think clearly, Maureen. >> > >> > >> > On 9/10/2014 1:39 PM, Maureen wrote: >> > > There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. >> Mostly >> > > they consist of women who are too cowed or dependent to leave, and >> > > men who aren't quite violent enough to kill them. One in three >> > > homicides of women is related to domestic violence. Twenty-five >> > > percent of the homeless families are related to domestic violence. >> > > Most domestic violence incidents are not reported. >> > > >> > > But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always >> with >> > > the victim. >> > > >> > > >> > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, GMoney >> wrote: >> > >> Meh, abusive relationships can last..they just really suck for >> > everyone >> > >> involved. >> > >> >> > >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Vivec >> wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. >> > >>> Plates tend to fly. >> > >>> >> > >>> On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney wrote: >> > >>> >> > Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has >> > entered >> > the >> > picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, >> > >> they >> > can >> > be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. >> These >> > things >> > happen in relationships and can be mended. >> > >> > But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going >> back. >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372463 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
That's not an insult. I can draw those conclusions based on your remarks. Just because you feel insulted doesn't mean the words are not true. Next... On 9/10/2014 4:26 PM, Maureen wrote: > In response to a comment I made to another list member: > > "Oh, bull, Maureen. > > You would intervene based on what you think even where you're not wanted > or welcome. You know everyone's situation just because you've worked with > "some" cases of abuse. What hubris..." > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Rick Faircloth > wrote: >> Maureen, >> >> Quote the words I used to insult you first. If you can, I'll apologize >> for fighting back. >> If you can't, then you should apologize for stooping to insults in the >> first place. >> >> >> On 9/10/2014 4:18 PM, Maureen wrote: >>> No, I have no desire to punch anyone with my fist. Just pointing out >>> the obvious. I'm not the one in this conversation getting hot under >>> the collar. I'm used to you and Sam and your insults and ridicule. >>> Mostly I ignore you. When I don't ignore you I laugh at how obvious >>> your stupidity is to me and everyone else within reading distance. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Rick Faircloth >>> wrote: Tending towards violence now, are we, Maureen? I'm waiting for your " consistent, very level headed, thought provoking commentary" to quote Scott, but you seem to have lost your cool a little Maureen. Want to punch someone in the face with your fist? On 9/10/2014 4:08 PM, Maureen wrote: > No one expected you too, as you and your sock puppet Rick wouldn't > recognize reasoned response if it hit you in the face. > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Sam wrote: >> I can't agree with you. >> >> . >> >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>> In my mind, Maureen gets a 'pass' because over the years, she has >>> consistently be very level headed and offers thought provoking >>> commentary. >>> >>> You are neither level headed nor have you never offered anything >>> worthwhile to this list - all you do is parrot what you saw on FoxNews >>> earlier in the day. >> > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372462 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
You came back to tell us you're filtering someone? Very helpful. Thanks for that. . On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Dana wrote: > > oh wait are you fucking kidding me? Judith? Character assassination? > > pause... > > I am already filtering him. I just realized that. I see him because people > are responding to him. > > I propose group block and ignore. > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372461 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
oh wait are you fucking kidding me? Judith? Character assassination? pause... I am already filtering him. I just realized that. I see him because people are responding to him. I propose group block and ignore. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Rick, > > It is impossible for anyone to perform a character assassination on you. > You cannot assassinate something does does not exist. > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Rick Faircloth > wrote: > > > > > I'm not inclined to accept character assassination from anyone, male or > > female. > > > > If she doesn't like conflict, she shouldn't start one. > > > > > > On 9/10/2014 4:05 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > > Why did you need to respond, there's this thing called "picking your > > > battles". But you don't understand the concept of adequate response, > > how > > > could you understand this.. > > > On Sep 10, 2014 3:58 PM, "Rick Faircloth" > > wrote: > > > > > >> And Maureen is just being a liar, stating that I "insist that the > fault > > >> is always > > >> with the victim." I don't like my words being twisted by someone who > > can't > > >> understand them. And I was trying to "gently" rebuff her false > > accusation. > > >> > > >> She threw the first punch. I responded. Who was the first victim? > > >> > > >> Oh, but Maureen gets a pass for her abusive tone because she's a > woman. > > >> > > >> Did Maureen provoke my response in any way, Scott, you asshole. ;o) > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On 9/10/2014 3:51 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > >>> Now you're just being a dick.. > > >>> On Sep 10, 2014 3:49 PM, "Rick Faircloth" > > >> wrote: > > "But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always > with > > the victim." > > > > Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to think clearly, Maureen. > > > > > > On 9/10/2014 1:39 PM, Maureen wrote: > > > There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. > Mostly > > > they consist of women who are too cowed or dependent to leave, and > > > men who aren't quite violent enough to kill them. One in three > > > homicides of women is related to domestic violence. Twenty-five > > > percent of the homeless families are related to domestic violence. > > > Most domestic violence incidents are not reported. > > > > > > But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always > with > > > the victim. > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, GMoney > wrote: > > >> Meh, abusive relationships can last..they just really suck for > > everyone > > >> involved. > > >> > > >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Vivec > wrote: > > >> > > >>> Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. > > >>> Plates tend to fly. > > >>> > > >>> On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney wrote: > > >>> > > Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has > > entered > > the > > picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, > > >> they > > can > > be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. > These > > things > > happen in relationships and can be mended. > > > > But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going > back. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372458 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
In response to a comment I made to another list member: "Oh, bull, Maureen. You would intervene based on what you think even where you're not wanted or welcome. You know everyone's situation just because you've worked with "some" cases of abuse. What hubris..." On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: > > Maureen, > > Quote the words I used to insult you first. If you can, I'll apologize > for fighting back. > If you can't, then you should apologize for stooping to insults in the > first place. > > > On 9/10/2014 4:18 PM, Maureen wrote: >> No, I have no desire to punch anyone with my fist. Just pointing out >> the obvious. I'm not the one in this conversation getting hot under >> the collar. I'm used to you and Sam and your insults and ridicule. >> Mostly I ignore you. When I don't ignore you I laugh at how obvious >> your stupidity is to me and everyone else within reading distance. >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Rick Faircloth >> wrote: >>> Tending towards violence now, are we, Maureen? >>> >>> I'm waiting for your " consistent, very level headed, thought provoking >>> commentary" >>> to quote Scott, but you seem to have lost your cool a little Maureen. >>> >>> Want to punch someone in the face with your fist? >>> >>> >>> On 9/10/2014 4:08 PM, Maureen wrote: No one expected you too, as you and your sock puppet Rick wouldn't recognize reasoned response if it hit you in the face. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Sam wrote: > I can't agree with you. > > . > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> In my mind, Maureen gets a 'pass' because over the years, she has >> consistently be very level headed and offers thought provoking >> commentary. >> >> You are neither level headed nor have you never offered anything >> worthwhile to this list - all you do is parrot what you saw on FoxNews >> earlier in the day. >>> >> > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372456 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
where's my like button. Damn. I gotta a) spend less time on Facebook b) get my ass out of this thread ;) On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > This is a quote from Rush Limbaugh, an entertainer it is therefore deemed > without merit and irrelevant in a conversation dealing with actual events. > > Ten yard penalty and loss of down. > On Sep 10, 2014 4:07 PM, "Sam" wrote: > > > > > "If NOW is really serious about violence against women, they've gotta > > focus on Bill Clinton. Where were the NAGs when Juanita Broaddrick > > said she was raped by Bill Clinton? Where were the NAGs when Kathleen > > Willey was stalked and hit on by Bill Clinton? Where were the NAGs > > when Gennifer Flowers and all the 'bimbos' were assaulted? Where were > > they when Paula Jones was called trailer trash by James Carville who > > said, 'This is what you get when you drag a dollar bill through a > > trailer park'?" -Rush > > > > . > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372455 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Linguistic analysis of their posts would indicate yes. Also, the timing. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Dana wrote: > > sock puppet? maybe you're right at that > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Maureen wrote: > >> >> No one expected you too, as you and your sock puppet Rick wouldn't >> recognize reasoned response if it hit you in the face. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372453 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Doesn't matter who made the point, is it valid? . On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > This is a quote from Rush Limbaugh, an entertainer it is therefore deemed > without merit and irrelevant in a conversation dealing with actual events. > > Ten yard penalty and loss of down. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372454 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Since when is domestic violence a political issue? As much as the left and the right would like you to believe otherwise, it's really quite simple: 1. Men who hit women are worthless, cowardly wastes of oxygen who have no place in society 2. Women who defend the men who abuse them are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome 3. Even if (2) weren't true, the laws against this kind of abuse mean that it's not up to his wife anymore. This is a state issue now. 4. Her slapping him first is utterly and completely irrelevant 5. Anyone who defends Ray Rice is a worthless, cowardly waste of oxygen who has no place in society Suck on all that. *John P. Willis* Coherent Logic Development LLC M: 575.649.4318 O: 575.524.1034 chocolatejolli...@gmail.com http://www.coherent-logic.com/ On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > In my mind, Maureen gets a 'pass' because over the years, she has > consistently be very level headed and offers thought provoking commentary. > > You are neither level headed nor have you never offered anything > worthwhile to this list - all you do is parrot what you saw on FoxNews > earlier in the day. > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Rick Faircloth > wrote: > > > > > And Maureen is just being a liar, stating that I "insist that the fault > > is always > > with the victim." I don't like my words being twisted by someone who > can't > > understand them. And I was trying to "gently" rebuff her false > accusation. > > > > She threw the first punch. I responded. Who was the first victim? > > > > Oh, but Maureen gets a pass for her abusive tone because she's a woman. > > > > Did Maureen provoke my response in any way, Scott, you asshole. ;o) > > > > > > > > > > On 9/10/2014 3:51 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > > Now you're just being a dick.. > > > On Sep 10, 2014 3:49 PM, "Rick Faircloth" > > wrote: > > > > > >> "But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with > > >> the victim." > > >> > > >> Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to think clearly, Maureen. > > >> > > >> > > >> On 9/10/2014 1:39 PM, Maureen wrote: > > >>> There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. Mostly > > >>> they consist of women who are too cowed or dependent to leave, and > > >>> men who aren't quite violent enough to kill them. One in three > > >>> homicides of women is related to domestic violence. Twenty-five > > >>> percent of the homeless families are related to domestic violence. > > >>> Most domestic violence incidents are not reported. > > >>> > > >>> But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with > > >>> the victim. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, GMoney wrote: > > Meh, abusive relationships can last..they just really suck for > > >> everyone > > involved. > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Vivec wrote: > > > > > Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. > > > Plates tend to fly. > > > > > > On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney wrote: > > > > > >> Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has > entered > > >> the > > >> picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, > > they > > >> can > > >> be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. These > > >> things > > >> happen in relationships and can be mended. > > >> > > >> But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going back. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372452 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Maureen, Quote the words I used to insult you first. If you can, I'll apologize for fighting back. If you can't, then you should apologize for stooping to insults in the first place. On 9/10/2014 4:18 PM, Maureen wrote: > No, I have no desire to punch anyone with my fist. Just pointing out > the obvious. I'm not the one in this conversation getting hot under > the collar. I'm used to you and Sam and your insults and ridicule. > Mostly I ignore you. When I don't ignore you I laugh at how obvious > your stupidity is to me and everyone else within reading distance. > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Rick Faircloth > wrote: >> Tending towards violence now, are we, Maureen? >> >> I'm waiting for your " consistent, very level headed, thought provoking >> commentary" >> to quote Scott, but you seem to have lost your cool a little Maureen. >> >> Want to punch someone in the face with your fist? >> >> >> On 9/10/2014 4:08 PM, Maureen wrote: >>> No one expected you too, as you and your sock puppet Rick wouldn't >>> recognize reasoned response if it hit you in the face. >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Sam wrote: I can't agree with you. . On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > In my mind, Maureen gets a 'pass' because over the years, she has > consistently be very level headed and offers thought provoking commentary. > > You are neither level headed nor have you never offered anything > worthwhile to this list - all you do is parrot what you saw on FoxNews > earlier in the day. >> > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372451 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
She just made an interesting choice of words... On 9/10/2014 4:16 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > That is not what she was saying...man you are either really dense, or > incredibly obtuse. > > Not sure which one I would prefer. > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Rick Faircloth > wrote: > >> Tending towards violence now, are we, Maureen? >> >> I'm waiting for your " consistent, very level headed, thought provoking >> commentary" >> to quote Scott, but you seem to have lost your cool a little Maureen. >> >> Want to punch someone in the face with your fist? >> >> >> On 9/10/2014 4:08 PM, Maureen wrote: >>> No one expected you too, as you and your sock puppet Rick wouldn't >>> recognize reasoned response if it hit you in the face. >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Sam wrote: I can't agree with you. . On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > In my mind, Maureen gets a 'pass' because over the years, she has > consistently be very level headed and offers thought provoking >> commentary. > You are neither level headed nor have you never offered anything > worthwhile to this list - all you do is parrot what you saw on FoxNews > earlier in the day. >> > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372449 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
No, I have no desire to punch anyone with my fist. Just pointing out the obvious. I'm not the one in this conversation getting hot under the collar. I'm used to you and Sam and your insults and ridicule. Mostly I ignore you. When I don't ignore you I laugh at how obvious your stupidity is to me and everyone else within reading distance. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: > > Tending towards violence now, are we, Maureen? > > I'm waiting for your " consistent, very level headed, thought provoking > commentary" > to quote Scott, but you seem to have lost your cool a little Maureen. > > Want to punch someone in the face with your fist? > > > On 9/10/2014 4:08 PM, Maureen wrote: >> No one expected you too, as you and your sock puppet Rick wouldn't >> recognize reasoned response if it hit you in the face. >> >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Sam wrote: >>> I can't agree with you. >>> >>> . >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: In my mind, Maureen gets a 'pass' because over the years, she has consistently be very level headed and offers thought provoking commentary. You are neither level headed nor have you never offered anything worthwhile to this list - all you do is parrot what you saw on FoxNews earlier in the day. >> > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372448 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Ooh, another "low blower" in the house. Before we begin, are you a boy or girl, Dana? (Just so I'll know where and how hard I can hit back) On 9/10/2014 4:16 PM, Dana wrote: > sock puppet? maybe you're right at that > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Maureen wrote: > >> No one expected you too, as you and your sock puppet Rick wouldn't >> recognize reasoned response if it hit you in the face. >> >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Sam wrote: >>> I can't agree with you. >>> >>> . >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: In my mind, Maureen gets a 'pass' because over the years, she has consistently be very level headed and offers thought provoking >> commentary. You are neither level headed nor have you never offered anything worthwhile to this list - all you do is parrot what you saw on FoxNews earlier in the day. >> > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372447 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
That is not what she was saying...man you are either really dense, or incredibly obtuse. Not sure which one I would prefer. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: > > Tending towards violence now, are we, Maureen? > > I'm waiting for your " consistent, very level headed, thought provoking > commentary" > to quote Scott, but you seem to have lost your cool a little Maureen. > > Want to punch someone in the face with your fist? > > > On 9/10/2014 4:08 PM, Maureen wrote: > > No one expected you too, as you and your sock puppet Rick wouldn't > > recognize reasoned response if it hit you in the face. > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Sam wrote: > >> I can't agree with you. > >> > >> . > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > >>> In my mind, Maureen gets a 'pass' because over the years, she has > >>> consistently be very level headed and offers thought provoking > commentary. > >>> > >>> You are neither level headed nor have you never offered anything > >>> worthwhile to this list - all you do is parrot what you saw on FoxNews > >>> earlier in the day. > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372445 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
sock puppet? maybe you're right at that On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Maureen wrote: > > No one expected you too, as you and your sock puppet Rick wouldn't > recognize reasoned response if it hit you in the face. > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Sam wrote: > > > > I can't agree with you. > > > > . > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > >> > >> In my mind, Maureen gets a 'pass' because over the years, she has > >> consistently be very level headed and offers thought provoking > commentary. > >> > >> You are neither level headed nor have you never offered anything > >> worthwhile to this list - all you do is parrot what you saw on FoxNews > >> earlier in the day. > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372444 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Oh, Scott, you asshole. You hurt me so badly. I think I've going to cry. On 9/10/2014 4:15 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > Rick, > > It is impossible for anyone to perform a character assassination on you. > You cannot assassinate something does does not exist. > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Rick Faircloth > wrote: > >> I'm not inclined to accept character assassination from anyone, male or >> female. >> >> If she doesn't like conflict, she shouldn't start one. >> >> >> On 9/10/2014 4:05 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: >>> Why did you need to respond, there's this thing called "picking your >>> battles". But you don't understand the concept of adequate response, >> how >>> could you understand this.. >>> On Sep 10, 2014 3:58 PM, "Rick Faircloth" >> wrote: And Maureen is just being a liar, stating that I "insist that the fault is always with the victim." I don't like my words being twisted by someone who >> can't understand them. And I was trying to "gently" rebuff her false >> accusation. She threw the first punch. I responded. Who was the first victim? Oh, but Maureen gets a pass for her abusive tone because she's a woman. Did Maureen provoke my response in any way, Scott, you asshole. ;o) On 9/10/2014 3:51 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > Now you're just being a dick.. > On Sep 10, 2014 3:49 PM, "Rick Faircloth" wrote: >> "But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with >> the victim." >> >> Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to think clearly, Maureen. >> >> >> On 9/10/2014 1:39 PM, Maureen wrote: >>> There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. Mostly >>> they consist of women who are too cowed or dependent to leave, and >>> men who aren't quite violent enough to kill them. One in three >>> homicides of women is related to domestic violence. Twenty-five >>> percent of the homeless families are related to domestic violence. >>> Most domestic violence incidents are not reported. >>> >>> But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with >>> the victim. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, GMoney wrote: Meh, abusive relationships can last..they just really suck for >> everyone involved. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Vivec wrote: > Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. > Plates tend to fly. > > On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney wrote: > >> Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has >> entered >> the >> picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, they >> can >> be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. These >> things >> happen in relationships and can be mended. >> >> But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going back. >> >> > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372446 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Rick, It is impossible for anyone to perform a character assassination on you. You cannot assassinate something does does not exist. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: > > I'm not inclined to accept character assassination from anyone, male or > female. > > If she doesn't like conflict, she shouldn't start one. > > > On 9/10/2014 4:05 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > Why did you need to respond, there's this thing called "picking your > > battles". But you don't understand the concept of adequate response, > how > > could you understand this.. > > On Sep 10, 2014 3:58 PM, "Rick Faircloth" > wrote: > > > >> And Maureen is just being a liar, stating that I "insist that the fault > >> is always > >> with the victim." I don't like my words being twisted by someone who > can't > >> understand them. And I was trying to "gently" rebuff her false > accusation. > >> > >> She threw the first punch. I responded. Who was the first victim? > >> > >> Oh, but Maureen gets a pass for her abusive tone because she's a woman. > >> > >> Did Maureen provoke my response in any way, Scott, you asshole. ;o) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 9/10/2014 3:51 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > >>> Now you're just being a dick.. > >>> On Sep 10, 2014 3:49 PM, "Rick Faircloth" > >> wrote: > "But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with > the victim." > > Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to think clearly, Maureen. > > > On 9/10/2014 1:39 PM, Maureen wrote: > > There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. Mostly > > they consist of women who are too cowed or dependent to leave, and > > men who aren't quite violent enough to kill them. One in three > > homicides of women is related to domestic violence. Twenty-five > > percent of the homeless families are related to domestic violence. > > Most domestic violence incidents are not reported. > > > > But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with > > the victim. > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, GMoney wrote: > >> Meh, abusive relationships can last..they just really suck for > everyone > >> involved. > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Vivec wrote: > >> > >>> Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. > >>> Plates tend to fly. > >>> > >>> On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney wrote: > >>> > Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has > entered > the > picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, > >> they > can > be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. These > things > happen in relationships and can be mended. > > But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going back. > > >> > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372443 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
I figured you wouldn't. I have not agreed with Maureen on every issue, but even then, I have not found her to unreasonable. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Sam wrote: > > I can't agree with you. > > . > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > In my mind, Maureen gets a 'pass' because over the years, she has > > consistently be very level headed and offers thought provoking > commentary. > > > > You are neither level headed nor have you never offered anything > > worthwhile to this list - all you do is parrot what you saw on FoxNews > > earlier in the day. > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372441 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Tending towards violence now, are we, Maureen? I'm waiting for your " consistent, very level headed, thought provoking commentary" to quote Scott, but you seem to have lost your cool a little Maureen. Want to punch someone in the face with your fist? On 9/10/2014 4:08 PM, Maureen wrote: > No one expected you too, as you and your sock puppet Rick wouldn't > recognize reasoned response if it hit you in the face. > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Sam wrote: >> I can't agree with you. >> >> . >> >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>> In my mind, Maureen gets a 'pass' because over the years, she has >>> consistently be very level headed and offers thought provoking commentary. >>> >>> You are neither level headed nor have you never offered anything >>> worthwhile to this list - all you do is parrot what you saw on FoxNews >>> earlier in the day. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372442 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
This is a quote from Rush Limbaugh, an entertainer it is therefore deemed without merit and irrelevant in a conversation dealing with actual events. Ten yard penalty and loss of down. On Sep 10, 2014 4:07 PM, "Sam" wrote: > > "If NOW is really serious about violence against women, they've gotta > focus on Bill Clinton. Where were the NAGs when Juanita Broaddrick > said she was raped by Bill Clinton? Where were the NAGs when Kathleen > Willey was stalked and hit on by Bill Clinton? Where were the NAGs > when Gennifer Flowers and all the 'bimbos' were assaulted? Where were > they when Paula Jones was called trailer trash by James Carville who > said, 'This is what you get when you drag a dollar bill through a > trailer park'?" -Rush > > . > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372439 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
I'm not inclined to accept character assassination from anyone, male or female. If she doesn't like conflict, she shouldn't start one. On 9/10/2014 4:05 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > Why did you need to respond, there's this thing called "picking your > battles". But you don't understand the concept of adequate response, how > could you understand this.. > On Sep 10, 2014 3:58 PM, "Rick Faircloth" wrote: > >> And Maureen is just being a liar, stating that I "insist that the fault >> is always >> with the victim." I don't like my words being twisted by someone who can't >> understand them. And I was trying to "gently" rebuff her false accusation. >> >> She threw the first punch. I responded. Who was the first victim? >> >> Oh, but Maureen gets a pass for her abusive tone because she's a woman. >> >> Did Maureen provoke my response in any way, Scott, you asshole. ;o) >> >> >> >> >> On 9/10/2014 3:51 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: >>> Now you're just being a dick.. >>> On Sep 10, 2014 3:49 PM, "Rick Faircloth" >> wrote: "But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with the victim." Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to think clearly, Maureen. On 9/10/2014 1:39 PM, Maureen wrote: > There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. Mostly > they consist of women who are too cowed or dependent to leave, and > men who aren't quite violent enough to kill them. One in three > homicides of women is related to domestic violence. Twenty-five > percent of the homeless families are related to domestic violence. > Most domestic violence incidents are not reported. > > But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with > the victim. > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, GMoney wrote: >> Meh, abusive relationships can last..they just really suck for everyone >> involved. >> >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Vivec wrote: >> >>> Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. >>> Plates tend to fly. >>> >>> On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney wrote: >>> Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has entered the picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, >> they can be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. These things happen in relationships and can be mended. But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going back. >> > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372440 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
No one expected you too, as you and your sock puppet Rick wouldn't recognize reasoned response if it hit you in the face. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Sam wrote: > > I can't agree with you. > > . > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> >> In my mind, Maureen gets a 'pass' because over the years, she has >> consistently be very level headed and offers thought provoking commentary. >> >> You are neither level headed nor have you never offered anything >> worthwhile to this list - all you do is parrot what you saw on FoxNews >> earlier in the day. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372438 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
You know, Scott, you asshole, the first time I ever heard of the Ray Rice episode is on this list. I didn't hear anything about it on Fox News until today. Oh, that's an easy out, too... "Maureen gets a 'pass'..." Of course she does... On 9/10/2014 4:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > In my mind, Maureen gets a 'pass' because over the years, she has > consistently be very level headed and offers thought provoking commentary. > > You are neither level headed nor have you never offered anything > worthwhile to this list - all you do is parrot what you saw on FoxNews > earlier in the day. > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Rick Faircloth > wrote: > >> And Maureen is just being a liar, stating that I "insist that the fault >> is always >> with the victim." I don't like my words being twisted by someone who can't >> understand them. And I was trying to "gently" rebuff her false accusation. >> >> She threw the first punch. I responded. Who was the first victim? >> >> Oh, but Maureen gets a pass for her abusive tone because she's a woman. >> >> Did Maureen provoke my response in any way, Scott, you asshole. ;o) >> >> >> >> >> On 9/10/2014 3:51 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: >>> Now you're just being a dick.. >>> On Sep 10, 2014 3:49 PM, "Rick Faircloth" >> wrote: "But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with the victim." Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to think clearly, Maureen. On 9/10/2014 1:39 PM, Maureen wrote: > There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. Mostly > they consist of women who are too cowed or dependent to leave, and > men who aren't quite violent enough to kill them. One in three > homicides of women is related to domestic violence. Twenty-five > percent of the homeless families are related to domestic violence. > Most domestic violence incidents are not reported. > > But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with > the victim. > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, GMoney wrote: >> Meh, abusive relationships can last..they just really suck for everyone >> involved. >> >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Vivec wrote: >> >>> Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. >>> Plates tend to fly. >>> >>> On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney wrote: >>> Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has entered the picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, >> they can be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. These things happen in relationships and can be mended. But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going back. >> > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372437 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
"If NOW is really serious about violence against women, they've gotta focus on Bill Clinton. Where were the NAGs when Juanita Broaddrick said she was raped by Bill Clinton? Where were the NAGs when Kathleen Willey was stalked and hit on by Bill Clinton? Where were the NAGs when Gennifer Flowers and all the 'bimbos' were assaulted? Where were they when Paula Jones was called trailer trash by James Carville who said, 'This is what you get when you drag a dollar bill through a trailer park'?" -Rush . ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372436 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
I can't agree with you. . On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > In my mind, Maureen gets a 'pass' because over the years, she has > consistently be very level headed and offers thought provoking commentary. > > You are neither level headed nor have you never offered anything > worthwhile to this list - all you do is parrot what you saw on FoxNews > earlier in the day. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372435 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Why did you need to respond, there's this thing called "picking your battles". But you don't understand the concept of adequate response, how could you understand this.. On Sep 10, 2014 3:58 PM, "Rick Faircloth" wrote: > > And Maureen is just being a liar, stating that I "insist that the fault > is always > with the victim." I don't like my words being twisted by someone who can't > understand them. And I was trying to "gently" rebuff her false accusation. > > She threw the first punch. I responded. Who was the first victim? > > Oh, but Maureen gets a pass for her abusive tone because she's a woman. > > Did Maureen provoke my response in any way, Scott, you asshole. ;o) > > > > > On 9/10/2014 3:51 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > Now you're just being a dick.. > > On Sep 10, 2014 3:49 PM, "Rick Faircloth" > wrote: > > > >> "But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with > >> the victim." > >> > >> Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to think clearly, Maureen. > >> > >> > >> On 9/10/2014 1:39 PM, Maureen wrote: > >>> There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. Mostly > >>> they consist of women who are too cowed or dependent to leave, and > >>> men who aren't quite violent enough to kill them. One in three > >>> homicides of women is related to domestic violence. Twenty-five > >>> percent of the homeless families are related to domestic violence. > >>> Most domestic violence incidents are not reported. > >>> > >>> But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with > >>> the victim. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, GMoney wrote: > Meh, abusive relationships can last..they just really suck for > >> everyone > involved. > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Vivec wrote: > > > Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. > > Plates tend to fly. > > > > On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney wrote: > > > >> Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has entered > >> the > >> picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, > they > >> can > >> be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. These > >> things > >> happen in relationships and can be mended. > >> > >> But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going back. > >> > > > >> > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372434 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
In my mind, Maureen gets a 'pass' because over the years, she has consistently be very level headed and offers thought provoking commentary. You are neither level headed nor have you never offered anything worthwhile to this list - all you do is parrot what you saw on FoxNews earlier in the day. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: > > And Maureen is just being a liar, stating that I "insist that the fault > is always > with the victim." I don't like my words being twisted by someone who can't > understand them. And I was trying to "gently" rebuff her false accusation. > > She threw the first punch. I responded. Who was the first victim? > > Oh, but Maureen gets a pass for her abusive tone because she's a woman. > > Did Maureen provoke my response in any way, Scott, you asshole. ;o) > > > > > On 9/10/2014 3:51 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > Now you're just being a dick.. > > On Sep 10, 2014 3:49 PM, "Rick Faircloth" > wrote: > > > >> "But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with > >> the victim." > >> > >> Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to think clearly, Maureen. > >> > >> > >> On 9/10/2014 1:39 PM, Maureen wrote: > >>> There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. Mostly > >>> they consist of women who are too cowed or dependent to leave, and > >>> men who aren't quite violent enough to kill them. One in three > >>> homicides of women is related to domestic violence. Twenty-five > >>> percent of the homeless families are related to domestic violence. > >>> Most domestic violence incidents are not reported. > >>> > >>> But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with > >>> the victim. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, GMoney wrote: > Meh, abusive relationships can last..they just really suck for > >> everyone > involved. > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Vivec wrote: > > > Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. > > Plates tend to fly. > > > > On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney wrote: > > > >> Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has entered > >> the > >> picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, > they > >> can > >> be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. These > >> things > >> happen in relationships and can be mended. > >> > >> But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going back. > >> > > > >> > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372432 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
And Maureen is just being a liar, stating that I "insist that the fault is always with the victim." I don't like my words being twisted by someone who can't understand them. And I was trying to "gently" rebuff her false accusation. She threw the first punch. I responded. Who was the first victim? Oh, but Maureen gets a pass for her abusive tone because she's a woman. Did Maureen provoke my response in any way, Scott, you asshole. ;o) On 9/10/2014 3:51 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > Now you're just being a dick.. > On Sep 10, 2014 3:49 PM, "Rick Faircloth" wrote: > >> "But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with >> the victim." >> >> Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to think clearly, Maureen. >> >> >> On 9/10/2014 1:39 PM, Maureen wrote: >>> There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. Mostly >>> they consist of women who are too cowed or dependent to leave, and >>> men who aren't quite violent enough to kill them. One in three >>> homicides of women is related to domestic violence. Twenty-five >>> percent of the homeless families are related to domestic violence. >>> Most domestic violence incidents are not reported. >>> >>> But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with >>> the victim. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, GMoney wrote: Meh, abusive relationships can last..they just really suck for >> everyone involved. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Vivec wrote: > Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. > Plates tend to fly. > > On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney wrote: > >> Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has entered >> the >> picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, they >> can >> be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. These >> things >> happen in relationships and can be mended. >> >> But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going back. >> > >> > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372431 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Now? I think he passed 'dick' sometime yesterday afternoon. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > Now you're just being a dick.. > On Sep 10, 2014 3:49 PM, "Rick Faircloth" > wrote: > > > > > "But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with > > the victim." > > > > Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to think clearly, Maureen. > > > > > > On 9/10/2014 1:39 PM, Maureen wrote: > > > There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. Mostly > > > they consist of women who are too cowed or dependent to leave, and > > > men who aren't quite violent enough to kill them. One in three > > > homicides of women is related to domestic violence. Twenty-five > > > percent of the homeless families are related to domestic violence. > > > Most domestic violence incidents are not reported. > > > > > > But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with > > > the victim. > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, GMoney wrote: > > >> Meh, abusive relationships can last..they just really suck for > > everyone > > >> involved. > > >> > > >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Vivec wrote: > > >> > > >>> Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. > > >>> Plates tend to fly. > > >>> > > >>> On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney wrote: > > >>> > > Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has entered > > the > > picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, > they > > can > > be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. These > > things > > happen in relationships and can be mended. > > > > But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going back. > > > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372430 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Now you're just being a dick.. On Sep 10, 2014 3:49 PM, "Rick Faircloth" wrote: > > "But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with > the victim." > > Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to think clearly, Maureen. > > > On 9/10/2014 1:39 PM, Maureen wrote: > > There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. Mostly > > they consist of women who are too cowed or dependent to leave, and > > men who aren't quite violent enough to kill them. One in three > > homicides of women is related to domestic violence. Twenty-five > > percent of the homeless families are related to domestic violence. > > Most domestic violence incidents are not reported. > > > > But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with > > the victim. > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, GMoney wrote: > >> Meh, abusive relationships can last..they just really suck for > everyone > >> involved. > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Vivec wrote: > >> > >>> Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. > >>> Plates tend to fly. > >>> > >>> On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney wrote: > >>> > Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has entered > the > picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, they > can > be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. These > things > happen in relationships and can be mended. > > But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going back. > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372428 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
"But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with the victim." Slow down, take a deep breath, and try to think clearly, Maureen. On 9/10/2014 1:39 PM, Maureen wrote: > There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. Mostly > they consist of women who are too cowed or dependent to leave, and > men who aren't quite violent enough to kill them. One in three > homicides of women is related to domestic violence. Twenty-five > percent of the homeless families are related to domestic violence. > Most domestic violence incidents are not reported. > > But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with > the victim. > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, GMoney wrote: >> Meh, abusive relationships can last..they just really suck for everyone >> involved. >> >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Vivec wrote: >> >>> Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. >>> Plates tend to fly. >>> >>> On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney wrote: >>> Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has entered the picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, they can be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. These things happen in relationships and can be mended. But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going back. >>> >>> >> > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372427 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Ray Rice
It's not going to happen when they or at least one of them is a celebrity. So that is a moot point. -Original Message- From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 9:21 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Ray Rice The point is not that what Rice did was right, normal or anything else. The point is that this was and should have remained a private, personal issue between two ADULTs! Since when do you get to make decisions for an adult woman who is in a relationship with a man? WITH ZERO evidence that man is abusive towards her on an ongoing basis!?? What right do you have to diminish her mental capability, her being able to think and make decisions for herself, based on your assumption that she is a battered woman? Don't you see that point? On 10 September 2014 08:53, Eric Roberts wrote: > > I don't know what twisted world you live in where that is normal, but > if that is, then I don't know what to say. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372423 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
She is a victim of domestic violence...you can tell because there is a video of domestic violence. Now, how she chooses to frame that for herself, what she chooses to believe and how she wants to respond to it, that is totally up to her. I may have my own personal opinions but that doesn't matter, I support her choosing how she wants to handle it. And is it a situation with ongoing abuse or a history of abuse? I don't know, maybe not. Still doesn't change the fact that she is a victim of domestic violence and he is a perpetrator. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Vivec wrote: > > You don't get to make what if decisions on the lives of other people, > without facts. > > Are you denying that couples get into a violent argument, and the > relationship is not an abusive one? > Are you denying that couples go to counselling, talk about it, work things > out, and can go on to have a happy family? > > On 10 September 2014 11:30, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > > > > So, hit her once, get a pass. Hit her again...now we have a problem? > > > > So, your solution is to do nothing until he hits her again? What if the > > next time he does permanent and/or fatal damage? > > > > I resent the implication that I am saying she is 'crazy' because I think > > she is involved in an abusive relationship, and goes to further my > opinion > > that you have never had any kind of experience with anyone in an abusive > > relationship. > > > > You sound even more like Rick. If that is truly how you feel, I am > > disappointed. > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372419 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
There are millions of people living in abusive relationships. Mostly they consist of women who are too cowed or dependent to leave, and men who aren't quite violent enough to kill them. One in three homicides of women is related to domestic violence. Twenty-five percent of the homeless families are related to domestic violence. Most domestic violence incidents are not reported. But people like Rick continue to insist that the fault is always with the victim. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, GMoney wrote: > > Meh, abusive relationships can last..they just really suck for everyone > involved. > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Vivec wrote: > >> >> Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. >> Plates tend to fly. >> >> On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney wrote: >> >> > >> > Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has entered the >> > picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, they can >> > be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. These things >> > happen in relationships and can be mended. >> > >> > But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going back. >> > >> >> >> > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372415 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Meh, abusive relationships can last..they just really suck for everyone involved. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Vivec wrote: > > Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. > Plates tend to fly. > > On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney wrote: > > > > > Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has entered the > > picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, they can > > be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. These things > > happen in relationships and can be mended. > > > > But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going back. > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372411 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Vivec wrote: > > Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. > Plates tend to fly. > And that makes it acceptable behavior? > > On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney wrote: > > > > > Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has entered the > > picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, they can > > be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. These things > > happen in relationships and can be mended. > > > > But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going back. > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372409 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Vivec wrote: > > They already said they were getting help for that incident, and have gotten > help. > I think it needs to go beyond them getting therapy together. I think they both need therapy separately. He needs to learn not to punch hi fiance in the face and she needs to learn it is not acceptable be his punching bag. > > And you are not a psychologist, so on what basis are you saying that > someone who accidentally knocked out his fiancee had a relationship that > was beyond help? > I did not say the relationship was beyond help. I said there are things no amount of therapy can fix and that 'punching your fiance in the face' may be one of those things. There are things that I would consider unforgivable in a relationship. Getting punched in the face by your fiance would be on that list. How do you not think that 'punching your fiance in the face' is not 'abusive'? That is what truly boggles my mind. > > On 10 September 2014 12:09, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > > What decision did I make on the lives of other people? That she (they > > actually) need help? > > > > Physical abuse is but one type of abuse - and it often goes hand in hand > > with emotional and sexual abuse > > > > I will say that if a man punches his fiance in the face, rendering her > > unconscious, that is abusive behavior - whether it was the first or 50th > > time he hit her. > > > > Nope, not at all. But, unless she/he/they want the help, no amount of > > counseling will work. > > > > Also, there are things that counseling might not work for. I think I > would > > put 'knocking your fiance unconscious' on that list - close to the top. > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372408 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
He hit her in the face with his fist. How is that accidental? On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Vivec wrote: > And you are not a psychologist, so on what basis are you saying that > someone who accidentally knocked out his fiancee had a relationship that > was beyond help? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372407 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Talk to men who have some spanish wives and they may disagree. Plates tend to fly. On 10 September 2014 12:27, GMoney wrote: > > Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has entered the > picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, they can > be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. These things > happen in relationships and can be mended. > > But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going back. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372404 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
They already said they were getting help for that incident, and have gotten help. And you are not a psychologist, so on what basis are you saying that someone who accidentally knocked out his fiancee had a relationship that was beyond help? On 10 September 2014 12:09, Scott Stroz wrote: > > What decision did I make on the lives of other people? That she (they > actually) need help? > > Physical abuse is but one type of abuse - and it often goes hand in hand > with emotional and sexual abuse > > I will say that if a man punches his fiance in the face, rendering her > unconscious, that is abusive behavior - whether it was the first or 50th > time he hit her. > > Nope, not at all. But, unless she/he/they want the help, no amount of > counseling will work. > > Also, there are things that counseling might not work for. I think I would > put 'knocking your fiance unconscious' on that list - close to the top. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372403 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Vivec wrote: > Are you denying that couples get into a violent argument, and the > relationship is not an abusive one? > I most definitely deny that. If you get in a VIOLENT argument, then by definition, your relationship is abusive. Either one or the other is getting abused, or perhaps both are. > Are you denying that couples go to counselling, talk about it, work things > out, and can go on to have a happy family? > Very rarely do relationships last or improve once abuse has entered the picture. Arguments and disagreements happen. THey can be heated, they can be loud. Things can be said that are hurtful and regretful. These things happen in relationships and can be mended. But when it escalates to abuse..there's usually no going back. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372400 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Vivec wrote: > > You don't get to make what if decisions on the lives of other people, > without facts. > What decision did I make on the lives of other people? That she (they actually) need help? > > Are you denying that couples get into a violent argument, and the > relationship is not an abusive one? > Physical abuse is but one type of abuse - and it often goes hand in hand with emotional and sexual abuse I will say that if a man punches his fiance in the face, rendering her unconscious, that is abusive behavior - whether it was the first or 50th time he hit her. > Are you denying that couples go to counselling, talk about it, work things > out, and can go on to have a happy family? > Nope, not at all. But, unless she/he/they want the help, no amount of counseling will work. Also, there are things that counseling might not work for. I think I would put 'knocking your fiance unconscious' on that list - close to the top. > > On 10 September 2014 11:30, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > > > > So, hit her once, get a pass. Hit her again...now we have a problem? > > > > So, your solution is to do nothing until he hits her again? What if the > > next time he does permanent and/or fatal damage? > > > > I resent the implication that I am saying she is 'crazy' because I think > > she is involved in an abusive relationship, and goes to further my > opinion > > that you have never had any kind of experience with anyone in an abusive > > relationship. > > > > You sound even more like Rick. If that is truly how you feel, I am > > disappointed. > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372395 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
You don't get to make what if decisions on the lives of other people, without facts. Are you denying that couples get into a violent argument, and the relationship is not an abusive one? Are you denying that couples go to counselling, talk about it, work things out, and can go on to have a happy family? On 10 September 2014 11:30, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > So, hit her once, get a pass. Hit her again...now we have a problem? > > So, your solution is to do nothing until he hits her again? What if the > next time he does permanent and/or fatal damage? > > I resent the implication that I am saying she is 'crazy' because I think > she is involved in an abusive relationship, and goes to further my opinion > that you have never had any kind of experience with anyone in an abusive > relationship. > > You sound even more like Rick. If that is truly how you feel, I am > disappointed. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372392 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Vivec wrote: > > I understand you were saying what-if. > And in doing so you compared a grown adult to a child. > No I wasn't. I never compared an adult to a child. No matter how you slice it, I did not do that. > > You did that , not me. That's all I was pointing out to you. I understand > the point you were trying to make. And I think it was irrelevant, UNLESS you were comparing an adult to a 12 > year old child, at which point I thought it was a belittling comparison. > > *"With the disclaimer that I am not a qualified medical professional, I > think* > *she is in an abusive relationship. "* > > And that right there is where we part ways with agreeing. > Because you do not have enough information to make that determination. > I have experience dealing with victims of abuse. Do you? If you are right, what happens? They continue to be millionaires (assuming they did not piss away the $25 million he has already made from the Ravens). If you are right, he will likely be reinstated by the NFL and signed to a team. If I am right, she will wind up in the hospital or the morgue. Should we not error on the side of caution? > > And we are not talking about all domestic disputes, we not talking about > all women that abuse their husbands, or all husbands that abuse their > wives. > We are talking about this single isolated incident. > > Anything else you say is pure and total speculation on your part regarding > these two people. > And that speculation does neither of them any favours, and isn't "Good". > > If tomorrow evidence comes out that this is an ongoing abuse either by him > or by her in their relationship, I'd be the first to say you are right, she > needs to get out and everything else that you have said. > But as of now, you don't know. You and everyone else is speculating. > So, hit her once, get a pass. Hit her again...now we have a problem? > > And by doing so you are basically saying that woman is crazy, she is not in > control of her faculties, and so you, TMZ, the Media and the Public get to > make decisions for her, and get to decide what is right for her. > So, your solution is to do nothing until he hits her again? What if the next time he does permanent and/or fatal damage? I resent the implication that I am saying she is 'crazy' because I think she is involved in an abusive relationship, and goes to further my opinion that you have never had any kind of experience with anyone in an abusive relationship. > > Let me flip it. Based on what I saw, I think she abuses Rice, and that Ray > Rice is in an abusive relationship. And he snapped in that elevator. > He was drunk, she was drunkshe came at him again like she always does, > cussing and shouting at him, and slapping him around...and he snapped. > How's that? You sound even more like Rick. If that is truly how you feel, I am disappointed. > > On 10 September 2014 10:51, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > I did not say she was a child, I was playing the 'what if; game that Rick > > was so keen on playing to see when the victim is no longer to blame for > > getting hit. > > > > You then turned around and made the inference that I was saying all women > > are like children. > > > > With the disclaimer that I am not a qualified medical professional, I > think > > she is in an abusive relationship. That abuse may not always be physical, > > but abuse need not be physical to be damaging. I have seen, more times > than > > I care to remember, people who defend their abusers and blame everyone > else > > for the problem - and this includes men who were being abused. > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372387 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
I understand you were saying what-if. And in doing so you compared a grown adult to a child. You did that , not me. That's all I was pointing out to you. I understand the point you were trying to make. And I think it was irrelevant, UNLESS you were comparing an adult to a 12 year old child, at which point I thought it was a belittling comparison. *"With the disclaimer that I am not a qualified medical professional, I think* *she is in an abusive relationship. "* And that right there is where we part ways with agreeing. Because you do not have enough information to make that determination. And we are not talking about all domestic disputes, we not talking about all women that abuse their husbands, or all husbands that abuse their wives. We are talking about this single isolated incident. Anything else you say is pure and total speculation on your part regarding these two people. And that speculation does neither of them any favours, and isn't "Good". If tomorrow evidence comes out that this is an ongoing abuse either by him or by her in their relationship, I'd be the first to say you are right, she needs to get out and everything else that you have said. But as of now, you don't know. You and everyone else is speculating. And by doing so you are basically saying that woman is crazy, she is not in control of her faculties, and so you, TMZ, the Media and the Public get to make decisions for her, and get to decide what is right for her. Let me flip it. Based on what I saw, I think she abuses Rice, and that Ray Rice is in an abusive relationship. And he snapped in that elevator. He was drunk, she was drunkshe came at him again like she always does, cussing and shouting at him, and slapping him around...and he snapped. How's that? On 10 September 2014 10:51, Scott Stroz wrote: > I did not say she was a child, I was playing the 'what if; game that Rick > was so keen on playing to see when the victim is no longer to blame for > getting hit. > > You then turned around and made the inference that I was saying all women > are like children. > > With the disclaimer that I am not a qualified medical professional, I think > she is in an abusive relationship. That abuse may not always be physical, > but abuse need not be physical to be damaging. I have seen, more times than > I care to remember, people who defend their abusers and blame everyone else > for the problem - and this includes men who were being abused. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372383 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
I did not say she was a child, I was playing the 'what if; game that Rick was so keen on playing to see when the victim is no longer to blame for getting hit. You then turned around and made the inference that I was saying all women are like children. With the disclaimer that I am not a qualified medical professional, I think she is in an abusive relationship. That abuse may not always be physical, but abuse need not be physical to be damaging. I have seen, more times than I care to remember, people who defend their abusers and blame everyone else for the problem - and this includes men who were being abused. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Vivec wrote: > > Sorry that isn't true. > > YOU said what if she was a 12 year old. Don't try to twist that around to > something I said. > > "Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were later dropped. > > He was then charged with aggravated assault. > > > *I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would you guys > think* > > *they were also 'looking for trouble'?"* > > > It **is** more than a disagreement, and the police took care of it. End of > story. > > Question to you Scott, Is your stance that she is a battered woman trapped > in an abusive relationship? > > On 10 September 2014 09:20, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > > The fact that you view this incident as a 'disagreement' is deeply > > disturbing to me. He punched her in the face - that is more than a > > 'disagreement'. > > > > The only person who said women are like 12 years old children was you. > > > > Have you ever dealt with someone who was abused (sexually, physically or > > emotionally)? (My guess would be 'no' ) They are so frightened of, or > > traumatized by, their abusers that they almost act like children. They > > defend the person's actions and even blame themselves and everyone else > but > > the person who committed the abuse. Sound familiar? > > > > Sadly, the only way you will see that you are on the wrong side of this > > argument is if (or when) she ends up in the hospital or in the morgue - > > even then, I am not so sure. > > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372379 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
If the 'disagreement', as you have classified it, took place in a private residence, and NOT in public, I may (strong emphasis on the word 'may' there) be able to understand (not agree with, but understand ) with that sentiment. But, you see, it didn't. The fact that he punched her in the face IN PUBLIC made it public. There is no one to blame but him for that. The problem with that thinking, though, is where do you draw the line? If punching her once is no one's business, would 2 punches? 3? 4? At what point would others be justified in being concerned for her well being and it not be a 'private' concern between two adults? Sorry, that logic simply does not compute - nor does the fact that you are trying to make it seem like this was some typical spat between two people in a relationship. He punched her in the face and you are calling it a 'disagreement'. If that is a disagreement, I shudder to think what you consider an all out 'fight' On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Vivec wrote: > > The point is not that what Rice did was right, normal or anything else. > The point is that this was and should have remained a private, personal > issue between two ADULTs! > > Since when do you get to make decisions for an adult woman who is in a > relationship with a man? > WITH ZERO evidence that man is abusive towards her on an ongoing basis!?? > > What right do you have to diminish her mental capability, her being able to > think and make decisions for herself, based on your assumption that she is > a battered woman? > > Don't you see that point? > > > On 10 September 2014 08:53, Eric Roberts > wrote: > > > > > I don't know what twisted world you live in where that is normal, > > but if that is, then I don't know what to say. > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372373 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Ummm that's video On Sep 10, 2014 10:29 AM, "Vivec" wrote: > > Sorry that isn't true. > > YOU said what if she was a 12 year old. Don't try to twist that around to > something I said. > > "Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were later dropped. > > He was then charged with aggravated assault. > > > *I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would you guys > think* > > *they were also 'looking for trouble'?"* > > > It **is** more than a disagreement, and the police took care of it. End of > story. > > Question to you Scott, Is your stance that she is a battered woman trapped > in an abusive relationship? > > On 10 September 2014 09:20, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > > The fact that you view this incident as a 'disagreement' is deeply > > disturbing to me. He punched her in the face - that is more than a > > 'disagreement'. > > > > The only person who said women are like 12 years old children was you. > > > > Have you ever dealt with someone who was abused (sexually, physically or > > emotionally)? (My guess would be 'no' ) They are so frightened of, or > > traumatized by, their abusers that they almost act like children. They > > defend the person's actions and even blame themselves and everyone else > but > > the person who committed the abuse. Sound familiar? > > > > Sadly, the only way you will see that you are on the wrong side of this > > argument is if (or when) she ends up in the hospital or in the morgue - > > even then, I am not so sure. > > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372374 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Sorry that isn't true. YOU said what if she was a 12 year old. Don't try to twist that around to something I said. "Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were later dropped. He was then charged with aggravated assault. *I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would you guys think* *they were also 'looking for trouble'?"* It **is** more than a disagreement, and the police took care of it. End of story. Question to you Scott, Is your stance that she is a battered woman trapped in an abusive relationship? On 10 September 2014 09:20, Scott Stroz wrote: > > The fact that you view this incident as a 'disagreement' is deeply > disturbing to me. He punched her in the face - that is more than a > 'disagreement'. > > The only person who said women are like 12 years old children was you. > > Have you ever dealt with someone who was abused (sexually, physically or > emotionally)? (My guess would be 'no' ) They are so frightened of, or > traumatized by, their abusers that they almost act like children. They > defend the person's actions and even blame themselves and everyone else but > the person who committed the abuse. Sound familiar? > > Sadly, the only way you will see that you are on the wrong side of this > argument is if (or when) she ends up in the hospital or in the morgue - > even then, I am not so sure. > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372369 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
The point is not that what Rice did was right, normal or anything else. The point is that this was and should have remained a private, personal issue between two ADULTs! Since when do you get to make decisions for an adult woman who is in a relationship with a man? WITH ZERO evidence that man is abusive towards her on an ongoing basis!?? What right do you have to diminish her mental capability, her being able to think and make decisions for herself, based on your assumption that she is a battered woman? Don't you see that point? On 10 September 2014 08:53, Eric Roberts wrote: > > I don't know what twisted world you live in where that is normal, > but if that is, then I don't know what to say. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372365 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Then perhaps we should pause this discussion until we know all the facts, then draw some conclusions. On 9/10/2014 9:43 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > That was Scott...but I do concur. I do not know why they released her and > dropped the charges. Maybe they know something we don't know. To say you > know, unless you were there, is bullshit. I am assuming they had good > reason to drop the charges. We don't know the entire situation. Maybe that > slap was her trying to defend herself...we don't know. All we can see is > the small segment recorded by the elevator cam. > > -Original Message- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:31 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Ray Rice > > > Wrong, Eric! > > Ray is responsible for his actions. HOWEVER, the woman is responsible for > hers! > > I'm just trying to get you to see the double-standard we have in this > society. > Woman want equality, but don't want the responsibility that comes with it! > > If woman want equality, then the law has be to blind to gender. The > exception being in cases where gender plays a crucial factor such as in > rape. > Woman can't hide behind > their gender when it's convenient and then play the gender card when they > lose! > > Or, in this case, society should stop playing the gender card for them! > > > On 9/10/2014 9:25 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> This 'what if' game is stupid. I did not 'attack' Ray Rice. A man did >> not 'attack' Ray Rice. No one 'attacked' Ray Rice. >> >> Let's play the reality game. He punched his fiance in the face and, >> subsequently, she was knocked unconscious and you are trying to >> justify his actions because you think she deserved it. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Rick Faircloth >> >> wrote: >> >>> Scott, if you attacked Ray, and Ray knocked you out. Is Ray solely to >>> blame for you being knocked out? Or would you say that your bear some >>> responsibility for provoking Ray? >>> >>> >>> On 9/10/2014 8:11 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>>> You don't see that by saying '...if his soon-to-be wife hadn't >>>> assaulted him, he never would have struck back.' You are essentially >>>> saying, 'she deserved it' or 'she was asking for it'? Maybe if she >>>> stayed in the >>> kitchen >>>> making him sandwiches, non of this would have happened, right Rick? >>>> >>>> Typical, misogynistic bullshit. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Rick Faircloth < >>> r...@whitestonemedia.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> You're absolute right, Scott. Actions have consequences. EVERYONE'S >>>>> action have consequences. >>>>> Even a woman's actions can have consequences. Typical "women are >>>>> never at fault for anything and men are the cause of all trouble in >>>>> the world" feminism. >>>>> >>>>> I'll bet that if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never >>>>> would have struck back. >>>>> >>>>> That's a safe bet that I'll take. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 9/10/2014 12:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>>>>> I would say that he caused the problem the moment he decided that >>>>> punching >>>>>> his soon-to-be wife in the face was the best way to respond to the >>>>>> situation. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is no one else to blame but him. He threw the punch - no one >>> else. >>>>>> Actions have consequences, it is about time some of these >>>>>> professional athletes realize that. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were >>>>>>> a >>>>> couple >>>>>>> that had problems, >>>>>>> but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things >>>>>>> out, >>>>> and >>>>>>> then this came along and ruined everything for them. >
Re: Ray Rice
Are you saying: "I'm taking my ball and going home" or are you saying : "If someone picks Rick or Sam for my team I'm taking my ball and going home" Either way, STFU. Publicly announcing you're ignoring someone is about as narcissistic and childish as it gets. Oh, you won't see this. Let me add you're an asshole too then :) . On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:15 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Rick managed to promote himself to my second ever kill filter on this list, > after Sam. Life's too short to deal with shit like this, ya know? Pity, but > there it is. > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > >> >> And we are all extremely happy that you did. Good to know that the 1950's >> attitude towards women is not dead yet. Shows we still have some work to >> do. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372360 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Of course you are. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: > > Just setting the record straight... > > > On 9/10/2014 9:36 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Nice backpedaling, Rick. > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Rick Faircloth < > r...@whitestonemedia.com> > > wrote: > > > >> No, I was trying to type: > >> > >> She shouldn't have started it and Ray SHOULDN'T have ended it the way he > >> did. > >> > >> Scott, you scum. You absolute scum. > >> > >> > >> On 9/10/2014 9:27 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Rick Faircloth < > >> r...@whitestonemedia.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! She shouldn't have started it and Ray should > have ended > it in the way he did. > > > >>> And there we have it. You blame her and you think he is justified in > his > >>> response. > >>> > >>> You are scum, Rick. Absolute scum. > >> > >> > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372359 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Here is the point you are too damn thickheaded to understand. If it was a man, with the same size and strength as the woman, who was punched by Ray Rice, my feelings about the assault would not change at all. I think the size, strength, ability of those involved should come into play in cases like this. Your hyperbole and 'what ifs' are irrelevant. Ray Rice is a professional football player..a running back. He is going to be bigger and/or stronger than most people he will encounter. He needs to learn to control that strength and not respond with a disproportionate amount of force. He had many other ways to end the situation, but he chose to punch her in the face. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: > > I wouldn't hit my wife back, at all. > > But that's the way I roll. Everyone doesn't have to play by those > standards, > especially since women have declared they want to be men's equals. > > But now, if a stranger, who happened to be a woman attacked me, then > all bets are off. I'll do what I have to in order to stop the attack; > knock her out > or whatever. She's not a woman at that point; she's an attacker. > > Equal pay for equal play. > > > On 9/10/2014 2:30 AM, Maureen wrote: > > Question for you: if your wife slapped you, would you feel justified > > in hitting her with your fist? > > If not, why not? > > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Rick Faircloth > > wrote: > >> Oh, bull, Maureen. > >> > >> You would intervene based on what you think even where you're not wanted > >> or welcome. You know everyone's situation just because you've worked > with > >> "some" cases of abuse. What hubris... > >> > >> > >> On 9/9/2014 10:58 PM, Maureen wrote: > >>> He hit her in the face with his fist. If there is never another > >>> instance of abuse, that was enough. That is not love, it is control, > >>> pure and simple. And no matter what she says, he is an abuser. > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372356 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Ray Rice
That was Scott...but I do concur. I do not know why they released her and dropped the charges. Maybe they know something we don't know. To say you know, unless you were there, is bullshit. I am assuming they had good reason to drop the charges. We don't know the entire situation. Maybe that slap was her trying to defend herself...we don't know. All we can see is the small segment recorded by the elevator cam. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:31 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Ray Rice Wrong, Eric! Ray is responsible for his actions. HOWEVER, the woman is responsible for hers! I'm just trying to get you to see the double-standard we have in this society. Woman want equality, but don't want the responsibility that comes with it! If woman want equality, then the law has be to blind to gender. The exception being in cases where gender plays a crucial factor such as in rape. Woman can't hide behind their gender when it's convenient and then play the gender card when they lose! Or, in this case, society should stop playing the gender card for them! On 9/10/2014 9:25 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > This 'what if' game is stupid. I did not 'attack' Ray Rice. A man did > not 'attack' Ray Rice. No one 'attacked' Ray Rice. > > Let's play the reality game. He punched his fiance in the face and, > subsequently, she was knocked unconscious and you are trying to > justify his actions because you think she deserved it. > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Rick Faircloth > > wrote: > >> Scott, if you attacked Ray, and Ray knocked you out. Is Ray solely to >> blame for you being knocked out? Or would you say that your bear some >> responsibility for provoking Ray? >> >> >> On 9/10/2014 8:11 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>> You don't see that by saying '...if his soon-to-be wife hadn't >>> assaulted him, he never would have struck back.' You are essentially >>> saying, 'she deserved it' or 'she was asking for it'? Maybe if she >>> stayed in the >> kitchen >>> making him sandwiches, non of this would have happened, right Rick? >>> >>> Typical, misogynistic bullshit. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Rick Faircloth < >> r...@whitestonemedia.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> You're absolute right, Scott. Actions have consequences. EVERYONE'S >>>> action have consequences. >>>> Even a woman's actions can have consequences. Typical "women are >>>> never at fault for anything and men are the cause of all trouble in >>>> the world" feminism. >>>> >>>> I'll bet that if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never >>>> would have struck back. >>>> >>>> That's a safe bet that I'll take. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/10/2014 12:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>>>> I would say that he caused the problem the moment he decided that >>>> punching >>>>> his soon-to-be wife in the face was the best way to respond to the >>>>> situation. >>>>> >>>>> There is no one else to blame but him. He threw the punch - no one >> else. >>>>> Actions have consequences, it is about time some of these >>>>> professional athletes realize that. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were >>>>>> a >>>> couple >>>>>> that had problems, >>>>>> but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things >>>>>> out, >>>> and >>>>>> then this came along and ruined everything for them. >>>>>> >>>>>> What would you say then? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment >>>>>>> he >>>> decided >>>>>>> the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch >>>>>>> his soon-to-be wife in the face. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>
Re: Ray Rice
As if anyone else has any proof of their perspective... On 9/10/2014 9:40 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > " And the charges were dropped against his wife because she was knocked out > AND because she's a woman. The charges would NOT have been dropped if she > had been a male friend of Ray's and they got into a fight." > > Proof? You can claim that all you like, but unless you have proof of that > it is just you rambling on. You are also on the outside looking in and > claiming special knowledge oh mighty kettle... > > -Original Message- > From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:25 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Ray Rice > > > Bull, Eric. > > Being a public figure is not Eric's doing; it's the public's! No one asked > to make him to be a role model! Thousands of people make money off of Eric; > some millions. > Just because he becomes a role model (when he shouldn't) doesn't make > anything he does more or less worse than any other person. > > And the charges were dropped against his wife because she was knocked out > AND because she's a woman. The charges would NOT have been dropped if she > had been a male friend of Ray's and they got into a fight. > > Just go ahead a join the chorus of those who know best from the outside > looking in and destroy the lives of these people because mistakes were make > on both their parts. > > PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! She shouldn't have started it and Ray should have > ended it in the way he did. > > I tried to unsubscribe on the House of Fusion site last night because being > part of this discussion, and others, is a waste of time and non-productive. > Apparently, the unsubscribe > didn't take. > > This is all ridiculous. > > > On 9/10/2014 8:53 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: >> Not when you are a public figure. He makes money by being in the > spotlight. >> If it was you or me, then yeah, you would have some ground to stand on >> with this argument. But this guy is a public figure and shit like >> this comes with the job. If you do something in public, it get >> publicized. If that is not what he wants, then he should get a >> regular job like the rest of us schleps. >> >> I don't know about you, but I have never punched any of my wives or >> girlfriends in the face and knocked them out...no matter how pissed I >> was at them and no matter what they did to me. I have even been told >> I have anger issues and I have never done this to anyone...ever. So >> no...that is not normal. I don't know what twisted world you live in >> where that is normal, but if that is, then I don't know what to say. >> Using violence against someone is inexcusable. It was inexcusable >> when she did it and it was inexcusable when he did it. It doesn't matter > if she hit him first or not. >> I still think they should both be prosecuted, but I am not privy to >> the info prosecutors have and maybe they have a good reason as to why >> charges against her were dropped. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:31 AM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: Ray Rice >> >> >> Scott, families have a right to privacy as well. >> And couples have disagreements, sometimes violent. >> SLaps, kicks, pushes, plates thrown, cups thrown.. what world do you >> live in if you have never seen this happen? >> >> It doesn't reach the point of hospital visits, or getting knocked out, >> or anything of the sort. >> There is a difference. >> >> I didn't see anyone accusing Ellen of being a serial abuser when she >> grabbed a 9 iron and tried to brain tiger woods with it, then raced >> after his fleeing car and smashed the windscreen. >> >> Fact is the wife has spoken out again in a rage and told all the do >> gooders , and those that claim they want to "help" her to leave her >> alone, she isn't in danger or trouble and doesn't need help. She said >> that she and Rice had issues, and they worked them out and are working >> them out, and all the public and media is doing is destroying him and > their family. >> But I forgot, women are like 12 year old kids who can't make >> decisions, or take responsibility for their actions. >> This woman in particular needs the media, you and the rest of the >> world to tell her what to do, and what to think, and how to behave >> since you have all labelled her a broken battered person who needs
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I don't! I have a wife, a grown daughter, who had my first granddaughter a year ago I love and care for and would protect them all. I treat them with respect they do likewise. There's no problem. Why do you insist on holding women less-accountable for their actions than men? On 9/10/2014 9:37 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > Why do have such hostility and apparent hatred towards women, Rick? > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Rick Faircloth > wrote: > >> Wrong, Eric! >> >> Ray is responsible for his actions. HOWEVER, the woman is responsible >> for hers! >> >> I'm just trying to get you to see the double-standard we have in this >> society. >> Woman want equality, but don't want the responsibility that comes with it! >> >> If woman want equality, then the law has be to blind to gender. The >> exception >> being in cases where gender plays a crucial factor such as in rape. >> Woman can't hide behind >> their gender when it's convenient and then play the gender card when >> they lose! >> >> Or, in this case, society should stop playing the gender card for them! >> >> >> On 9/10/2014 9:25 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>> This 'what if' game is stupid. I did not 'attack' Ray Rice. A man did not >>> 'attack' Ray Rice. No one 'attacked' Ray Rice. >>> >>> Let's play the reality game. He punched his fiance in the face and, >>> subsequently, she was knocked unconscious and you are trying to justify >> his >>> actions because you think she deserved it. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Rick Faircloth < >> r...@whitestonemedia.com> >>> wrote: >>> Scott, if you attacked Ray, and Ray knocked you out. Is Ray solely to blame for you being knocked out? Or would you say that your bear some responsibility >> for provoking Ray? On 9/10/2014 8:11 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > You don't see that by saying '...if his soon-to-be wife hadn't >> assaulted > him, he never would have struck back.' You are essentially saying, 'she > deserved it' or 'she was asking for it'? Maybe if she stayed in the kitchen > making him sandwiches, non of this would have happened, right Rick? > > Typical, misogynistic bullshit. > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Rick Faircloth < r...@whitestonemedia.com> > wrote: > >> You're absolute right, Scott. Actions have consequences. EVERYONE'S >> action have consequences. >> Even a woman's actions can have consequences. Typical "women are never >> at fault for >> anything and men are the cause of all trouble in the world" feminism. >> >> I'll bet that if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never >> would have struck back. >> >> That's a safe bet that I'll take. >> >> >> On 9/10/2014 12:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>> I would say that he caused the problem the moment he decided that >> punching >>> his soon-to-be wife in the face was the best way to respond to the >>> situation. >>> >>> There is no one else to blame but him. He threw the punch - no one else. >>> Actions have consequences, it is about time some of these >> professional >>> athletes realize that. >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec wrote: >>> Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were a >> couple that had problems, but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things >> out, >> and then this came along and ruined everything for them. What would you say then? On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz wrote: > The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment he >> decided > the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch his > soon-to-be wife in the face. > > I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of someone who > is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in her >> death > (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The biggest >> red flag > is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for the person > who the the punch. > > Do yourself a favor and go on Twitter and search for #WhyIStayed to >> get a > glimpse of what some victims of abuse go through and what their >> state >> of > mind is/was. > On Sep 9, 2014 9:32 PM, "Vivec" wrote: > >> Yeah, I know what you meant. >> But the comparison you can't make a comparison like that. >> >> And I don't see anything wrong with my view that >> A) his actions were disproportionate >> B) It was an altercation between two adults >> C) they were both to blame for what happened. >>
RE: Ray Rice
" And the charges were dropped against his wife because she was knocked out AND because she's a woman. The charges would NOT have been dropped if she had been a male friend of Ray's and they got into a fight." Proof? You can claim that all you like, but unless you have proof of that it is just you rambling on. You are also on the outside looking in and claiming special knowledge oh mighty kettle... -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:25 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Ray Rice Bull, Eric. Being a public figure is not Eric's doing; it's the public's! No one asked to make him to be a role model! Thousands of people make money off of Eric; some millions. Just because he becomes a role model (when he shouldn't) doesn't make anything he does more or less worse than any other person. And the charges were dropped against his wife because she was knocked out AND because she's a woman. The charges would NOT have been dropped if she had been a male friend of Ray's and they got into a fight. Just go ahead a join the chorus of those who know best from the outside looking in and destroy the lives of these people because mistakes were make on both their parts. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! She shouldn't have started it and Ray should have ended it in the way he did. I tried to unsubscribe on the House of Fusion site last night because being part of this discussion, and others, is a waste of time and non-productive. Apparently, the unsubscribe didn't take. This is all ridiculous. On 9/10/2014 8:53 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > Not when you are a public figure. He makes money by being in the spotlight. > If it was you or me, then yeah, you would have some ground to stand on > with this argument. But this guy is a public figure and shit like > this comes with the job. If you do something in public, it get > publicized. If that is not what he wants, then he should get a > regular job like the rest of us schleps. > > I don't know about you, but I have never punched any of my wives or > girlfriends in the face and knocked them out...no matter how pissed I > was at them and no matter what they did to me. I have even been told > I have anger issues and I have never done this to anyone...ever. So > no...that is not normal. I don't know what twisted world you live in > where that is normal, but if that is, then I don't know what to say. > Using violence against someone is inexcusable. It was inexcusable > when she did it and it was inexcusable when he did it. It doesn't matter if she hit him first or not. > I still think they should both be prosecuted, but I am not privy to > the info prosecutors have and maybe they have a good reason as to why > charges against her were dropped. > > -----Original Message- > From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:31 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Ray Rice > > > Scott, families have a right to privacy as well. > And couples have disagreements, sometimes violent. > SLaps, kicks, pushes, plates thrown, cups thrown.. what world do you > live in if you have never seen this happen? > > It doesn't reach the point of hospital visits, or getting knocked out, > or anything of the sort. > There is a difference. > > I didn't see anyone accusing Ellen of being a serial abuser when she > grabbed a 9 iron and tried to brain tiger woods with it, then raced > after his fleeing car and smashed the windscreen. > > Fact is the wife has spoken out again in a rage and told all the do > gooders , and those that claim they want to "help" her to leave her > alone, she isn't in danger or trouble and doesn't need help. She said > that she and Rice had issues, and they worked them out and are working > them out, and all the public and media is doing is destroying him and their family. > > But I forgot, women are like 12 year old kids who can't make > decisions, or take responsibility for their actions. > This woman in particular needs the media, you and the rest of the > world to tell her what to do, and what to think, and how to behave > since you have all labelled her a broken battered person who needs the state to care for her. > > I find that offensive. > Because you have zero information to support that position, so far no > one does. > > No one has respected this woman, her rights or her privacy. > She and Rice have been used for ratings and to make money. Their > situation has been exploited. > > If TMZ wanted to help, they could have quietly called her and spoken > to her, rather than splashed that video for the world to see. > If th
Re: Ray Rice
Just setting the record straight... On 9/10/2014 9:36 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > Nice backpedaling, Rick. > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Rick Faircloth > wrote: > >> No, I was trying to type: >> >> She shouldn't have started it and Ray SHOULDN'T have ended it the way he >> did. >> >> Scott, you scum. You absolute scum. >> >> >> On 9/10/2014 9:27 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Rick Faircloth < >> r...@whitestonemedia.com> >>> wrote: >>> PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! She shouldn't have started it and Ray should have ended it in the way he did. >>> And there we have it. You blame her and you think he is justified in his >>> response. >>> >>> You are scum, Rick. Absolute scum. >> >> > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372351 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
I wouldn't hit my wife back, at all. But that's the way I roll. Everyone doesn't have to play by those standards, especially since women have declared they want to be men's equals. But now, if a stranger, who happened to be a woman attacked me, then all bets are off. I'll do what I have to in order to stop the attack; knock her out or whatever. She's not a woman at that point; she's an attacker. Equal pay for equal play. On 9/10/2014 2:30 AM, Maureen wrote: > Question for you: if your wife slapped you, would you feel justified > in hitting her with your fist? > If not, why not? > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Rick Faircloth > wrote: >> Oh, bull, Maureen. >> >> You would intervene based on what you think even where you're not wanted >> or welcome. You know everyone's situation just because you've worked with >> "some" cases of abuse. What hubris... >> >> >> On 9/9/2014 10:58 PM, Maureen wrote: >>> He hit her in the face with his fist. If there is never another >>> instance of abuse, that was enough. That is not love, it is control, >>> pure and simple. And no matter what she says, he is an abuser. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372350 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Why do have such hostility and apparent hatred towards women, Rick? On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: > > Wrong, Eric! > > Ray is responsible for his actions. HOWEVER, the woman is responsible > for hers! > > I'm just trying to get you to see the double-standard we have in this > society. > Woman want equality, but don't want the responsibility that comes with it! > > If woman want equality, then the law has be to blind to gender. The > exception > being in cases where gender plays a crucial factor such as in rape. > Woman can't hide behind > their gender when it's convenient and then play the gender card when > they lose! > > Or, in this case, society should stop playing the gender card for them! > > > On 9/10/2014 9:25 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > This 'what if' game is stupid. I did not 'attack' Ray Rice. A man did not > > 'attack' Ray Rice. No one 'attacked' Ray Rice. > > > > Let's play the reality game. He punched his fiance in the face and, > > subsequently, she was knocked unconscious and you are trying to justify > his > > actions because you think she deserved it. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Rick Faircloth < > r...@whitestonemedia.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Scott, if you attacked Ray, and Ray knocked you out. Is Ray solely to > >> blame for you > >> being knocked out? Or would you say that your bear some responsibility > for > >> provoking Ray? > >> > >> > >> On 9/10/2014 8:11 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > >>> You don't see that by saying '...if his soon-to-be wife hadn't > assaulted > >>> him, he never would have struck back.' You are essentially saying, 'she > >>> deserved it' or 'she was asking for it'? Maybe if she stayed in the > >> kitchen > >>> making him sandwiches, non of this would have happened, right Rick? > >>> > >>> Typical, misogynistic bullshit. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Rick Faircloth < > >> r...@whitestonemedia.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > You're absolute right, Scott. Actions have consequences. EVERYONE'S > action have consequences. > Even a woman's actions can have consequences. Typical "women are never > at fault for > anything and men are the cause of all trouble in the world" feminism. > > I'll bet that if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never > would have struck back. > > That's a safe bet that I'll take. > > > On 9/10/2014 12:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I would say that he caused the problem the moment he decided that > punching > > his soon-to-be wife in the face was the best way to respond to the > > situation. > > > > There is no one else to blame but him. He threw the punch - no one > >> else. > > Actions have consequences, it is about time some of these > professional > > athletes realize that. > > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec wrote: > > > >> Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. > >> > >> And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were a > couple > >> that had problems, > >> but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things > out, > and > >> then this came along and ruined everything for them. > >> > >> What would you say then? > >> > >> On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz wrote: > >> > >>> The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment he > decided > >>> the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch his > >>> soon-to-be wife in the face. > >>> > >>> I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of > >> someone > >> who > >>> is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in her > death > >>> (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The biggest > red > >> flag > >>> is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for the > >> person > >>> who the the punch. > >>> > >>> Do yourself a favor and go on Twitter and search for #WhyIStayed to > get a > >>> glimpse of what some victims of abuse go through and what their > state > of > >>> mind is/was. > >>> On Sep 9, 2014 9:32 PM, "Vivec" wrote: > >>> > Yeah, I know what you meant. > But the comparison you can't make a comparison like that. > > And I don't see anything wrong with my view that > A) his actions were disproportionate > B) It was an altercation between two adults > C) they were both to blame for what happened. > D) The "intervention" of the media did nothing to help the couple > or > >>> their > situation > E) Since February there has not been any other reports of domestic > >>> violence > at all. > F) There is just not enough evidence at all to say that in that > >> couple's > relationship there was a hist
Re: Ray Rice
Nice backpedaling, Rick. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: > > No, I was trying to type: > > She shouldn't have started it and Ray SHOULDN'T have ended it the way he > did. > > Scott, you scum. You absolute scum. > > > On 9/10/2014 9:27 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Rick Faircloth < > r...@whitestonemedia.com> > > wrote: > > > >> > >> PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! She shouldn't have started it and Ray should > >> have ended > >> it in the way he did. > >> > >> > > And there we have it. You blame her and you think he is justified in his > > response. > > > > You are scum, Rick. Absolute scum. > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372348 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
No, I was trying to type: She shouldn't have started it and Ray SHOULDN'T have ended it the way he did. Scott, you scum. You absolute scum. On 9/10/2014 9:27 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Rick Faircloth > wrote: > >> >> PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! She shouldn't have started it and Ray should >> have ended >> it in the way he did. >> >> > And there we have it. You blame her and you think he is justified in his > response. > > You are scum, Rick. Absolute scum. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372347 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Wrong, Eric! Ray is responsible for his actions. HOWEVER, the woman is responsible for hers! I'm just trying to get you to see the double-standard we have in this society. Woman want equality, but don't want the responsibility that comes with it! If woman want equality, then the law has be to blind to gender. The exception being in cases where gender plays a crucial factor such as in rape. Woman can't hide behind their gender when it's convenient and then play the gender card when they lose! Or, in this case, society should stop playing the gender card for them! On 9/10/2014 9:25 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > This 'what if' game is stupid. I did not 'attack' Ray Rice. A man did not > 'attack' Ray Rice. No one 'attacked' Ray Rice. > > Let's play the reality game. He punched his fiance in the face and, > subsequently, she was knocked unconscious and you are trying to justify his > actions because you think she deserved it. > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Rick Faircloth > wrote: > >> Scott, if you attacked Ray, and Ray knocked you out. Is Ray solely to >> blame for you >> being knocked out? Or would you say that your bear some responsibility for >> provoking Ray? >> >> >> On 9/10/2014 8:11 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>> You don't see that by saying '...if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted >>> him, he never would have struck back.' You are essentially saying, 'she >>> deserved it' or 'she was asking for it'? Maybe if she stayed in the >> kitchen >>> making him sandwiches, non of this would have happened, right Rick? >>> >>> Typical, misogynistic bullshit. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Rick Faircloth < >> r...@whitestonemedia.com> >>> wrote: >>> You're absolute right, Scott. Actions have consequences. EVERYONE'S action have consequences. Even a woman's actions can have consequences. Typical "women are never at fault for anything and men are the cause of all trouble in the world" feminism. I'll bet that if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never would have struck back. That's a safe bet that I'll take. On 9/10/2014 12:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > I would say that he caused the problem the moment he decided that punching > his soon-to-be wife in the face was the best way to respond to the > situation. > > There is no one else to blame but him. He threw the punch - no one >> else. > Actions have consequences, it is about time some of these professional > athletes realize that. > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec wrote: > >> Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. >> >> And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were a couple >> that had problems, >> but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things out, and >> then this came along and ruined everything for them. >> >> What would you say then? >> >> On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz wrote: >> >>> The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment he decided >>> the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch his >>> soon-to-be wife in the face. >>> >>> I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of >> someone >> who >>> is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in her death >>> (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The biggest red >> flag >>> is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for the >> person >>> who the the punch. >>> >>> Do yourself a favor and go on Twitter and search for #WhyIStayed to get a >>> glimpse of what some victims of abuse go through and what their state of >>> mind is/was. >>> On Sep 9, 2014 9:32 PM, "Vivec" wrote: >>> Yeah, I know what you meant. But the comparison you can't make a comparison like that. And I don't see anything wrong with my view that A) his actions were disproportionate B) It was an altercation between two adults C) they were both to blame for what happened. D) The "intervention" of the media did nothing to help the couple or >>> their situation E) Since February there has not been any other reports of domestic >>> violence at all. F) There is just not enough evidence at all to say that in that >> couple's relationship there was a history of violence on either side. They were in a Casino, she was stumbling to the elevator, they were probably both very drunk. This isn't an excuse for either of them, but the entire situation needs >>> to be viewed objectively. Remove the "knockout" , what are you left with? If she's fine, she didn't seek help, they got married...nothing >
Re: Ray Rice
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: > > > PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! She shouldn't have started it and Ray should > have ended > it in the way he did. > > And there we have it. You blame her and you think he is justified in his response. You are scum, Rick. Absolute scum. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*&k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372345 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
This 'what if' game is stupid. I did not 'attack' Ray Rice. A man did not 'attack' Ray Rice. No one 'attacked' Ray Rice. Let's play the reality game. He punched his fiance in the face and, subsequently, she was knocked unconscious and you are trying to justify his actions because you think she deserved it. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: > > Scott, if you attacked Ray, and Ray knocked you out. Is Ray solely to > blame for you > being knocked out? Or would you say that your bear some responsibility for > provoking Ray? > > > On 9/10/2014 8:11 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > You don't see that by saying '...if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted > > him, he never would have struck back.' You are essentially saying, 'she > > deserved it' or 'she was asking for it'? Maybe if she stayed in the > kitchen > > making him sandwiches, non of this would have happened, right Rick? > > > > Typical, misogynistic bullshit. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Rick Faircloth < > r...@whitestonemedia.com> > > wrote: > > > >> You're absolute right, Scott. Actions have consequences. EVERYONE'S > >> action have consequences. > >> Even a woman's actions can have consequences. Typical "women are never > >> at fault for > >> anything and men are the cause of all trouble in the world" feminism. > >> > >> I'll bet that if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never > >> would have struck back. > >> > >> That's a safe bet that I'll take. > >> > >> > >> On 9/10/2014 12:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > >>> I would say that he caused the problem the moment he decided that > >> punching > >>> his soon-to-be wife in the face was the best way to respond to the > >>> situation. > >>> > >>> There is no one else to blame but him. He threw the punch - no one > else. > >>> > >>> Actions have consequences, it is about time some of these professional > >>> athletes realize that. > >>> > >>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec wrote: > >>> > Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. > > And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were a > >> couple > that had problems, > but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things out, > >> and > then this came along and ruined everything for them. > > What would you say then? > > On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment he > >> decided > > the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch his > > soon-to-be wife in the face. > > > > I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of > someone > who > > is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in her > >> death > > (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The biggest red > flag > > is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for the > person > > who the the punch. > > > > Do yourself a favor and go on Twitter and search for #WhyIStayed to > >> get a > > glimpse of what some victims of abuse go through and what their state > >> of > > mind is/was. > > On Sep 9, 2014 9:32 PM, "Vivec" wrote: > > > >> Yeah, I know what you meant. > >> But the comparison you can't make a comparison like that. > >> > >> And I don't see anything wrong with my view that > >> A) his actions were disproportionate > >> B) It was an altercation between two adults > >> C) they were both to blame for what happened. > >> D) The "intervention" of the media did nothing to help the couple or > > their > >> situation > >> E) Since February there has not been any other reports of domestic > > violence > >> at all. > >> F) There is just not enough evidence at all to say that in that > couple's > >> relationship there was a history of violence on either side. > >> > >> They were in a Casino, she was stumbling to the elevator, they were > >> probably both very drunk. > >> This isn't an excuse for either of them, but the entire situation > >> needs > > to > >> be viewed objectively. > >> Remove the "knockout" , what are you left with? > >> > >> If she's fine, she didn't seek help, they got married...nothing > happened > >> from February to now... > >> leave the people alone let them sort out their problems and live > their > >> life. > >> > >> She is not a little child that needs the world and adults that know > > better > >> to look after her. > >> > >> What the media has done is effectively destroyed a family. They > >> haven't > >> helped her, and they haven't helped him. > >> They have destroyed a family. > >> > >> Hey, you know what? Maybe in a month more information will come out > >> and > > we > >> will find out that it was a horrible abusive relationship. > >> So
Re: Ray Rice
Bull, Eric. Being a public figure is not Eric's doing; it's the public's! No one asked to make him to be a role model! Thousands of people make money off of Eric; some millions. Just because he becomes a role model (when he shouldn't) doesn't make anything he does more or less worse than any other person. And the charges were dropped against his wife because she was knocked out AND because she's a woman. The charges would NOT have been dropped if she had been a male friend of Ray's and they got into a fight. Just go ahead a join the chorus of those who know best from the outside looking in and destroy the lives of these people because mistakes were make on both their parts. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! She shouldn't have started it and Ray should have ended it in the way he did. I tried to unsubscribe on the House of Fusion site last night because being part of this discussion, and others, is a waste of time and non-productive. Apparently, the unsubscribe didn't take. This is all ridiculous. On 9/10/2014 8:53 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > Not when you are a public figure. He makes money by being in the spotlight. > If it was you or me, then yeah, you would have some ground to stand on with > this argument. But this guy is a public figure and shit like this comes > with the job. If you do something in public, it get publicized. If that is > not what he wants, then he should get a regular job like the rest of us > schleps. > > I don't know about you, but I have never punched any of my wives or > girlfriends in the face and knocked them out...no matter how pissed I was at > them and no matter what they did to me. I have even been told I have anger > issues and I have never done this to anyone...ever. So no...that is not > normal. I don't know what twisted world you live in where that is normal, > but if that is, then I don't know what to say. Using violence against > someone is inexcusable. It was inexcusable when she did it and it was > inexcusable when he did it. It doesn't matter if she hit him first or not. > I still think they should both be prosecuted, but I am not privy to the info > prosecutors have and maybe they have a good reason as to why charges against > her were dropped. > > -Original Message----- > From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:31 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Ray Rice > > > Scott, families have a right to privacy as well. > And couples have disagreements, sometimes violent. > SLaps, kicks, pushes, plates thrown, cups thrown.. what world do you live in > if you have never seen this happen? > > It doesn't reach the point of hospital visits, or getting knocked out, or > anything of the sort. > There is a difference. > > I didn't see anyone accusing Ellen of being a serial abuser when she grabbed > a 9 iron and tried to brain tiger woods with it, then raced after his > fleeing car and smashed the windscreen. > > Fact is the wife has spoken out again in a rage and told all the do gooders > , and those that claim they want to "help" her to leave her alone, she isn't > in danger or trouble and doesn't need help. She said that she and Rice had > issues, and they worked them out and are working them out, and all the > public and media is doing is destroying him and their family. > > But I forgot, women are like 12 year old kids who can't make decisions, or > take responsibility for their actions. > This woman in particular needs the media, you and the rest of the world to > tell her what to do, and what to think, and how to behave since you have all > labelled her a broken battered person who needs the state to care for her. > > I find that offensive. > Because you have zero information to support that position, so far no one > does. > > No one has respected this woman, her rights or her privacy. > She and Rice have been used for ratings and to make money. Their situation > has been exploited. > > If TMZ wanted to help, they could have quietly called her and spoken to her, > rather than splashed that video for the world to see. > If the NFL wanted to do anything but protect its name and its image they > could have sent people to speak to BOTH of them, trained professionals, to > find out what the hell was going on with its player and his family life. > > No one wants to help, and no one cares whether help is needed or not. This > is about money at this point. > > And I find it ridiculous that so many are pretending it is about the woman. > It isn't. It never was. > > TMZ has just made millions from a domestic dispute between a husband and > wife, and ruined both their lives in the process. > >
Re: Ray Rice
The fact that you view this incident as a 'disagreement' is deeply disturbing to me. He punched her in the face - that is more than a 'disagreement'. The only person who said women are like 12 years old children was you. Have you ever dealt with someone who was abused (sexually, physically or emotionally)? (My guess would be 'no' ) They are so frightened of, or traumatized by, their abusers that they almost act like children. They defend the person's actions and even blame themselves and everyone else but the person who committed the abuse. Sound familiar? Sadly, the only way you will see that you are on the wrong side of this argument is if (or when) she ends up in the hospital or in the morgue - even then, I am not so sure. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Vivec wrote: > > Scott, families have a right to privacy as well. > And couples have disagreements, sometimes violent. > SLaps, kicks, pushes, plates thrown, cups thrown.. what world do you live > in if you have never seen this happen? > > It doesn't reach the point of hospital visits, or getting knocked out, or > anything of the sort. > There is a difference. > > I didn't see anyone accusing Ellen of being a serial abuser when she > grabbed a 9 iron and tried to brain tiger woods with it, then raced after > his fleeing car and smashed the windscreen. > > Fact is the wife has spoken out again in a rage and told all the do gooders > , and those that claim they want to "help" her to leave her alone, she > isn't in danger or trouble and doesn't need help. She said that she and > Rice had issues, and they worked them out and are working them out, and all > the public and media is doing is destroying him and their family. > > But I forgot, women are like 12 year old kids who can't make decisions, or > take responsibility for their actions. > This woman in particular needs the media, you and the rest of the world to > tell her what to do, and what to think, and how to behave since you have > all labelled her a broken battered person who needs the state to care for > her. > > I find that offensive. > Because you have zero information to support that position, so far no one > does. > > No one has respected this woman, her rights or her privacy. > She and Rice have been used for ratings and to make money. Their situation > has been exploited. > > If TMZ wanted to help, they could have quietly called her and spoken to > her, rather than splashed that video for the world to see. > If the NFL wanted to do anything but protect its name and its image they > could have sent people to speak to BOTH of them, trained professionals, to > find out what the hell was going on with its player and his family life. > > No one wants to help, and no one cares whether help is needed or not. This > is about money at this point. > > And I find it ridiculous that so many are pretending it is about the woman. > It isn't. It never was. > > TMZ has just made millions from a domestic dispute between a husband and > wife, and ruined both their lives in the process. > > Somehow, this is a win for human and civil rights, the women's rights > movement, a win against domestic violence, and a feel good moment for many > people who can pat themselves on the back and say to themselves " > Yes..Justice has been done" Or " At least this poor woman won't go through > what I went through" (nevermind they have no damned clue if she's going > through anything at all). > > Ridiculous. > > On 10 September 2014 08:11, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > > You don't see that by saying '...if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted > > him, he never would have struck back.' You are essentially saying, 'she > > deserved it' or 'she was asking for it'? Maybe if she stayed in the > kitchen > > making him sandwiches, non of this would have happened, right Rick? > > > > Typical, misogynistic bullshit. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Rick Faircloth < > r...@whitestonemedia.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > You're absolute right, Scott. Actions have consequences. EVERYONE'S > > > action have consequences. > > > Even a woman's actions can have consequences. Typical "women are never > > > at fault for > > > anything and men are the cause of all trouble in the world" feminism. > > > > > > I'll bet that if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never > > > would have struck back. > > > > > > That's a safe bet that I'll take. > > > > > > > > > On 9/10/2014 12:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > I would say that he caused the problem the moment he decided that > > > punching > > > > his soon-to-be wife in the face was the best way to respond to the > > > > situation. > > > > > > > > There is no one else to blame but him. He threw the punch - no one > > else. > > > > > > > > Actions have consequences, it is about time some of these > professional > > > > athletes realize that. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec wrote: > > > > > > > >> Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong
Re: Ray Rice
Scott, if you attacked Ray, and Ray knocked you out. Is Ray solely to blame for you being knocked out? Or would you say that your bear some responsibility for provoking Ray? On 9/10/2014 8:11 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > You don't see that by saying '...if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted > him, he never would have struck back.' You are essentially saying, 'she > deserved it' or 'she was asking for it'? Maybe if she stayed in the kitchen > making him sandwiches, non of this would have happened, right Rick? > > Typical, misogynistic bullshit. > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Rick Faircloth > wrote: > >> You're absolute right, Scott. Actions have consequences. EVERYONE'S >> action have consequences. >> Even a woman's actions can have consequences. Typical "women are never >> at fault for >> anything and men are the cause of all trouble in the world" feminism. >> >> I'll bet that if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never >> would have struck back. >> >> That's a safe bet that I'll take. >> >> >> On 9/10/2014 12:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>> I would say that he caused the problem the moment he decided that >> punching >>> his soon-to-be wife in the face was the best way to respond to the >>> situation. >>> >>> There is no one else to blame but him. He threw the punch - no one else. >>> >>> Actions have consequences, it is about time some of these professional >>> athletes realize that. >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec wrote: >>> Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were a >> couple that had problems, but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things out, >> and then this came along and ruined everything for them. What would you say then? On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz wrote: > The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment he >> decided > the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch his > soon-to-be wife in the face. > > I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of someone who > is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in her >> death > (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The biggest red flag > is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for the person > who the the punch. > > Do yourself a favor and go on Twitter and search for #WhyIStayed to >> get a > glimpse of what some victims of abuse go through and what their state >> of > mind is/was. > On Sep 9, 2014 9:32 PM, "Vivec" wrote: > >> Yeah, I know what you meant. >> But the comparison you can't make a comparison like that. >> >> And I don't see anything wrong with my view that >> A) his actions were disproportionate >> B) It was an altercation between two adults >> C) they were both to blame for what happened. >> D) The "intervention" of the media did nothing to help the couple or > their >> situation >> E) Since February there has not been any other reports of domestic > violence >> at all. >> F) There is just not enough evidence at all to say that in that couple's >> relationship there was a history of violence on either side. >> >> They were in a Casino, she was stumbling to the elevator, they were >> probably both very drunk. >> This isn't an excuse for either of them, but the entire situation >> needs > to >> be viewed objectively. >> Remove the "knockout" , what are you left with? >> >> If she's fine, she didn't seek help, they got married...nothing happened >> from February to now... >> leave the people alone let them sort out their problems and live their >> life. >> >> She is not a little child that needs the world and adults that know > better >> to look after her. >> >> What the media has done is effectively destroyed a family. They >> haven't >> helped her, and they haven't helped him. >> They have destroyed a family. >> >> Hey, you know what? Maybe in a month more information will come out >> and > we >> will find out that it was a horrible abusive relationship. >> Some cousin or uncle or friend will come out and say , yeah, he was > always >> hitting her. Or she was always cussing and hitting him. >> >> But as of right now? That's not the case. >> >> On 9 September 2014 21:11, Scott Stroz wrote: >> >>> I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am giving >> you >>> to much credit. >>> >>> I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick would >>> ever consider. >>> >>> To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole > thread >>> started, and his response do not really surpris
RE: Ray Rice
Not when you are a public figure. He makes money by being in the spotlight. If it was you or me, then yeah, you would have some ground to stand on with this argument. But this guy is a public figure and shit like this comes with the job. If you do something in public, it get publicized. If that is not what he wants, then he should get a regular job like the rest of us schleps. I don't know about you, but I have never punched any of my wives or girlfriends in the face and knocked them out...no matter how pissed I was at them and no matter what they did to me. I have even been told I have anger issues and I have never done this to anyone...ever. So no...that is not normal. I don't know what twisted world you live in where that is normal, but if that is, then I don't know what to say. Using violence against someone is inexcusable. It was inexcusable when she did it and it was inexcusable when he did it. It doesn't matter if she hit him first or not. I still think they should both be prosecuted, but I am not privy to the info prosecutors have and maybe they have a good reason as to why charges against her were dropped. -Original Message- From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:31 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Ray Rice Scott, families have a right to privacy as well. And couples have disagreements, sometimes violent. SLaps, kicks, pushes, plates thrown, cups thrown.. what world do you live in if you have never seen this happen? It doesn't reach the point of hospital visits, or getting knocked out, or anything of the sort. There is a difference. I didn't see anyone accusing Ellen of being a serial abuser when she grabbed a 9 iron and tried to brain tiger woods with it, then raced after his fleeing car and smashed the windscreen. Fact is the wife has spoken out again in a rage and told all the do gooders , and those that claim they want to "help" her to leave her alone, she isn't in danger or trouble and doesn't need help. She said that she and Rice had issues, and they worked them out and are working them out, and all the public and media is doing is destroying him and their family. But I forgot, women are like 12 year old kids who can't make decisions, or take responsibility for their actions. This woman in particular needs the media, you and the rest of the world to tell her what to do, and what to think, and how to behave since you have all labelled her a broken battered person who needs the state to care for her. I find that offensive. Because you have zero information to support that position, so far no one does. No one has respected this woman, her rights or her privacy. She and Rice have been used for ratings and to make money. Their situation has been exploited. If TMZ wanted to help, they could have quietly called her and spoken to her, rather than splashed that video for the world to see. If the NFL wanted to do anything but protect its name and its image they could have sent people to speak to BOTH of them, trained professionals, to find out what the hell was going on with its player and his family life. No one wants to help, and no one cares whether help is needed or not. This is about money at this point. And I find it ridiculous that so many are pretending it is about the woman. It isn't. It never was. TMZ has just made millions from a domestic dispute between a husband and wife, and ruined both their lives in the process. Somehow, this is a win for human and civil rights, the women's rights movement, a win against domestic violence, and a feel good moment for many people who can pat themselves on the back and say to themselves " Yes..Justice has been done" Or " At least this poor woman won't go through what I went through" (nevermind they have no damned clue if she's going through anything at all). Ridiculous. On 10 September 2014 08:11, Scott Stroz wrote: > > You don't see that by saying '...if his soon-to-be wife hadn't > assaulted him, he never would have struck back.' You are essentially > saying, 'she deserved it' or 'she was asking for it'? Maybe if she > stayed in the kitchen making him sandwiches, non of this would have happened, right Rick? > > Typical, misogynistic bullshit. > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Rick Faircloth > > > wrote: > > > > > You're absolute right, Scott. Actions have consequences. EVERYONE'S > > action have consequences. > > Even a woman's actions can have consequences. Typical "women are > > never at fault for anything and men are the cause of all trouble in > > the world" feminism. > > > > I'll bet that if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never > > would have struck back. > > > >
Re: Ray Rice
Scott, families have a right to privacy as well. And couples have disagreements, sometimes violent. SLaps, kicks, pushes, plates thrown, cups thrown.. what world do you live in if you have never seen this happen? It doesn't reach the point of hospital visits, or getting knocked out, or anything of the sort. There is a difference. I didn't see anyone accusing Ellen of being a serial abuser when she grabbed a 9 iron and tried to brain tiger woods with it, then raced after his fleeing car and smashed the windscreen. Fact is the wife has spoken out again in a rage and told all the do gooders , and those that claim they want to "help" her to leave her alone, she isn't in danger or trouble and doesn't need help. She said that she and Rice had issues, and they worked them out and are working them out, and all the public and media is doing is destroying him and their family. But I forgot, women are like 12 year old kids who can't make decisions, or take responsibility for their actions. This woman in particular needs the media, you and the rest of the world to tell her what to do, and what to think, and how to behave since you have all labelled her a broken battered person who needs the state to care for her. I find that offensive. Because you have zero information to support that position, so far no one does. No one has respected this woman, her rights or her privacy. She and Rice have been used for ratings and to make money. Their situation has been exploited. If TMZ wanted to help, they could have quietly called her and spoken to her, rather than splashed that video for the world to see. If the NFL wanted to do anything but protect its name and its image they could have sent people to speak to BOTH of them, trained professionals, to find out what the hell was going on with its player and his family life. No one wants to help, and no one cares whether help is needed or not. This is about money at this point. And I find it ridiculous that so many are pretending it is about the woman. It isn't. It never was. TMZ has just made millions from a domestic dispute between a husband and wife, and ruined both their lives in the process. Somehow, this is a win for human and civil rights, the women's rights movement, a win against domestic violence, and a feel good moment for many people who can pat themselves on the back and say to themselves " Yes..Justice has been done" Or " At least this poor woman won't go through what I went through" (nevermind they have no damned clue if she's going through anything at all). Ridiculous. On 10 September 2014 08:11, Scott Stroz wrote: > > You don't see that by saying '...if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted > him, he never would have struck back.' You are essentially saying, 'she > deserved it' or 'she was asking for it'? Maybe if she stayed in the kitchen > making him sandwiches, non of this would have happened, right Rick? > > Typical, misogynistic bullshit. > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Rick Faircloth > > wrote: > > > > > You're absolute right, Scott. Actions have consequences. EVERYONE'S > > action have consequences. > > Even a woman's actions can have consequences. Typical "women are never > > at fault for > > anything and men are the cause of all trouble in the world" feminism. > > > > I'll bet that if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never > > would have struck back. > > > > That's a safe bet that I'll take. > > > > > > On 9/10/2014 12:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > I would say that he caused the problem the moment he decided that > > punching > > > his soon-to-be wife in the face was the best way to respond to the > > > situation. > > > > > > There is no one else to blame but him. He threw the punch - no one > else. > > > > > > Actions have consequences, it is about time some of these professional > > > athletes realize that. > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec wrote: > > > > > >> Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. > > >> > > >> And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were a > > couple > > >> that had problems, > > >> but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things out, > > and > > >> then this came along and ruined everything for them. > > >> > > >> What would you say then? > > >> > > >> On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz wrote: > > >> > > >>> The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment he > > decided > > >>> the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch his > > >>> soon-to-be wife in the face. > > >>> > > >>> I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of > someone > > >> who > > >>> is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in her > > death > > >>> (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The biggest red > > >> flag > > >>> is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for the > > >> person > > >>> who the the punch. > > >>> > > >>> Do yourself a favor and go on Twit
Re: Ray Rice
You don't see that by saying '...if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never would have struck back.' You are essentially saying, 'she deserved it' or 'she was asking for it'? Maybe if she stayed in the kitchen making him sandwiches, non of this would have happened, right Rick? Typical, misogynistic bullshit. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: > > You're absolute right, Scott. Actions have consequences. EVERYONE'S > action have consequences. > Even a woman's actions can have consequences. Typical "women are never > at fault for > anything and men are the cause of all trouble in the world" feminism. > > I'll bet that if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never > would have struck back. > > That's a safe bet that I'll take. > > > On 9/10/2014 12:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I would say that he caused the problem the moment he decided that > punching > > his soon-to-be wife in the face was the best way to respond to the > > situation. > > > > There is no one else to blame but him. He threw the punch - no one else. > > > > Actions have consequences, it is about time some of these professional > > athletes realize that. > > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec wrote: > > > >> Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. > >> > >> And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were a > couple > >> that had problems, > >> but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things out, > and > >> then this came along and ruined everything for them. > >> > >> What would you say then? > >> > >> On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz wrote: > >> > >>> The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment he > decided > >>> the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch his > >>> soon-to-be wife in the face. > >>> > >>> I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of someone > >> who > >>> is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in her > death > >>> (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The biggest red > >> flag > >>> is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for the > >> person > >>> who the the punch. > >>> > >>> Do yourself a favor and go on Twitter and search for #WhyIStayed to > get a > >>> glimpse of what some victims of abuse go through and what their state > of > >>> mind is/was. > >>> On Sep 9, 2014 9:32 PM, "Vivec" wrote: > >>> > Yeah, I know what you meant. > But the comparison you can't make a comparison like that. > > And I don't see anything wrong with my view that > A) his actions were disproportionate > B) It was an altercation between two adults > C) they were both to blame for what happened. > D) The "intervention" of the media did nothing to help the couple or > >>> their > situation > E) Since February there has not been any other reports of domestic > >>> violence > at all. > F) There is just not enough evidence at all to say that in that > >> couple's > relationship there was a history of violence on either side. > > They were in a Casino, she was stumbling to the elevator, they were > probably both very drunk. > This isn't an excuse for either of them, but the entire situation > needs > >>> to > be viewed objectively. > Remove the "knockout" , what are you left with? > > If she's fine, she didn't seek help, they got married...nothing > >> happened > from February to now... > leave the people alone let them sort out their problems and live their > life. > > She is not a little child that needs the world and adults that know > >>> better > to look after her. > > What the media has done is effectively destroyed a family. They > haven't > helped her, and they haven't helped him. > They have destroyed a family. > > Hey, you know what? Maybe in a month more information will come out > and > >>> we > will find out that it was a horrible abusive relationship. > Some cousin or uncle or friend will come out and say , yeah, he was > >>> always > hitting her. Or she was always cussing and hitting him. > > But as of right now? That's not the case. > > On 9 September 2014 21:11, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am > >> giving > you > > to much credit. > > > > I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick > >> would > > ever consider. > > > > To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole > >>> thread > > started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I am > > flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. > >> It > just > > does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - > > apparently, I am not the only one. > > > > I will sa
Re: Ray Rice
Question for you: if your wife slapped you, would you feel justified in hitting her with your fist? If not, why not? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: > > Oh, bull, Maureen. > > You would intervene based on what you think even where you're not wanted > or welcome. You know everyone's situation just because you've worked with > "some" cases of abuse. What hubris... > > > On 9/9/2014 10:58 PM, Maureen wrote: >> He hit her in the face with his fist. If there is never another >> instance of abuse, that was enough. That is not love, it is control, >> pure and simple. And no matter what she says, he is an abuser. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372325 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
You're absolute right, Scott. Actions have consequences. EVERYONE'S action have consequences. Even a woman's actions can have consequences. Typical "women are never at fault for anything and men are the cause of all trouble in the world" feminism. I'll bet that if his soon-to-be wife hadn't assaulted him, he never would have struck back. That's a safe bet that I'll take. On 9/10/2014 12:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > I would say that he caused the problem the moment he decided that punching > his soon-to-be wife in the face was the best way to respond to the > situation. > > There is no one else to blame but him. He threw the punch - no one else. > > Actions have consequences, it is about time some of these professional > athletes realize that. > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec wrote: > >> Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. >> >> And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were a couple >> that had problems, >> but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things out, and >> then this came along and ruined everything for them. >> >> What would you say then? >> >> On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz wrote: >> >>> The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment he decided >>> the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch his >>> soon-to-be wife in the face. >>> >>> I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of someone >> who >>> is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in her death >>> (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The biggest red >> flag >>> is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for the >> person >>> who the the punch. >>> >>> Do yourself a favor and go on Twitter and search for #WhyIStayed to get a >>> glimpse of what some victims of abuse go through and what their state of >>> mind is/was. >>> On Sep 9, 2014 9:32 PM, "Vivec" wrote: >>> Yeah, I know what you meant. But the comparison you can't make a comparison like that. And I don't see anything wrong with my view that A) his actions were disproportionate B) It was an altercation between two adults C) they were both to blame for what happened. D) The "intervention" of the media did nothing to help the couple or >>> their situation E) Since February there has not been any other reports of domestic >>> violence at all. F) There is just not enough evidence at all to say that in that >> couple's relationship there was a history of violence on either side. They were in a Casino, she was stumbling to the elevator, they were probably both very drunk. This isn't an excuse for either of them, but the entire situation needs >>> to be viewed objectively. Remove the "knockout" , what are you left with? If she's fine, she didn't seek help, they got married...nothing >> happened from February to now... leave the people alone let them sort out their problems and live their life. She is not a little child that needs the world and adults that know >>> better to look after her. What the media has done is effectively destroyed a family. They haven't helped her, and they haven't helped him. They have destroyed a family. Hey, you know what? Maybe in a month more information will come out and >>> we will find out that it was a horrible abusive relationship. Some cousin or uncle or friend will come out and say , yeah, he was >>> always hitting her. Or she was always cussing and hitting him. But as of right now? That's not the case. On 9 September 2014 21:11, Scott Stroz wrote: > I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am >> giving you > to much credit. > > I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick >> would > ever consider. > > To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole >>> thread > started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I am > flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. >> It just > does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - > apparently, I am not the only one. > > I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to deserve >>> being > punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never in danger. > His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting him as >>> the > victim? > On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, "Vivec" wrote: > >> You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? >> Do you think women are like little kids unable to take >> responsibility for >> their actions, and know right from wrong? >> >> Dropping the charges doesn't mean that she didn't do anything, >> it means that the lawyers decided it wasn't wort
Re: Ray Rice
You are just thick-headed, Scott. You and Maureen make a great couple. If Ray never hit back, would you consider anything she did to be assault, just because she didn't know him unconscious? You're just too dense to understand the nuance of the argument. Please filter my comments until you can product a few more brain cells. On 9/10/2014 12:05 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > No..they were not. He was not a victimof anything. And to try and paint > him as such shows how misogynistic you really are. > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Rick Faircloth > wrote: > >> They *both* were victims of assault. >> >> If the woman had assaulted a smaller, weaker woman like she did Ray >> Rice, and did the >> same amount of physical damage to the smaller, weaker woman, should she >> be charged with assault? >> >> Of course she should. >> >> The both did things that were wrong. >> >> >> On 9/9/2014 9:11 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>> I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am giving >> you >>> to much credit. >>> >>> I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick would >>> ever consider. >>> >>> To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole thread >>> started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I am >>> flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. It >> just >>> does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - >>> apparently, I am not the only one. >>> >>> I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to deserve being >>> punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never in >> danger. >>> His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting him as the >>> victim? >>>On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, "Vivec" wrote: >>> You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? Do you think women are like little kids unable to take responsibility >> for their actions, and know right from wrong? Dropping the charges doesn't mean that she didn't do anything, it means that the lawyers decided it wasn't worth it to prosecute, and >> they had a stronger case against him. On 9 September 2014 20:47, Scott Stroz wrote: > Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were later >> dropped. > He was then charged with aggravated assault. > > I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would you guys think > they were also 'looking for trouble'? > >> > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372323 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Don't be a moron Scott. Yes, there are victims. Did I say there weren't? But for Maureen to make herself judge and jury on this case just shows that she thinks she know more than she does about everyone's situation and how it should be handled. She's fallen too far on the "woman is never at fault" side of domestic problems. On 9/10/2014 12:08 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > Ah, yes, Rick, please enlighten us with your tales of working with abuse > victims. I am sure they were all looking for trouble, just like Ray Rice's > fiance, right? > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Rick Faircloth > wrote: > >> Oh, bull, Maureen. >> >> You would intervene based on what you think even where you're not wanted >> or welcome. You know everyone's situation just because you've worked with >> "some" cases of abuse. What hubris... >> >> >> On 9/9/2014 10:58 PM, Maureen wrote: >>> He hit her in the face with his fist. If there is never another >>> instance of abuse, that was enough. That is not love, it is control, >>> pure and simple. And no matter what she says, he is an abuser. >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec wrote: Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were a >> couple that had problems, but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things out, >> and then this came along and ruined everything for them. What would you say then? On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz wrote: > The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment he >> decided > the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch his > soon-to-be wife in the face. > > I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of someone >> who > is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in her >> death > (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The biggest red >> flag > is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for the >> person > who the the punch. > > Do yourself a favor and go on Twitter and search for #WhyIStayed to >> get a > glimpse of what some victims of abuse go through and what their state >> of > mind is/was. > On Sep 9, 2014 9:32 PM, "Vivec" wrote: > >> Yeah, I know what you meant. >> But the comparison you can't make a comparison like that. >> >> And I don't see anything wrong with my view that >> A) his actions were disproportionate >> B) It was an altercation between two adults >> C) they were both to blame for what happened. >> D) The "intervention" of the media did nothing to help the couple or > their >> situation >> E) Since February there has not been any other reports of domestic > violence >> at all. >> F) There is just not enough evidence at all to say that in that >> couple's >> relationship there was a history of violence on either side. >> >> They were in a Casino, she was stumbling to the elevator, they were >> probably both very drunk. >> This isn't an excuse for either of them, but the entire situation >> needs > to >> be viewed objectively. >> Remove the "knockout" , what are you left with? >> >> If she's fine, she didn't seek help, they got married...nothing >> happened >> from February to now... >> leave the people alone let them sort out their problems and live their >> life. >> >> She is not a little child that needs the world and adults that know > better >> to look after her. >> >> What the media has done is effectively destroyed a family. They >> haven't >> helped her, and they haven't helped him. >> They have destroyed a family. >> >> Hey, you know what? Maybe in a month more information will come out >> and > we >> will find out that it was a horrible abusive relationship. >> Some cousin or uncle or friend will come out and say , yeah, he was > always >> hitting her. Or she was always cussing and hitting him. >> >> But as of right now? That's not the case. >> >> On 9 September 2014 21:11, Scott Stroz wrote: >> >>> I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am >> giving >> you >>> to much credit. >>> >>> I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick >> would >>> ever consider. >>> >>> To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole > thread >>> started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I am >>> flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. >> It >> just >>> does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - >>> apparently, I am not the only one. >>> >>> I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to deserve > being >>> punched in the face and knocke
Re: Ray Rice
No problem here Scott, filter away... On 9/10/2014 12:09 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > Pretty sure he just earned my first ever filter. > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:15 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > >> Rick managed to promote himself to my second ever kill filter on this list, >> after Sam. Life's too short to deal with shit like this, ya know? Pity, but >> there it is. >> >> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> >>> And we are all extremely happy that you did. Good to know that the 1950's >>> attitude towards women is not dead yet. Shows we still have some work to >>> do. >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Rick Faircloth >> >>> wrote: >>> Well, I've just reached a point with the implosion of our society that it's time to speak up and take a stand. On 9/9/2014 2:31 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > Angel, a long term member of the list. > On Sep 9, 2014 2:27 PM, "Rick Faircloth" wrote: >> Scout, what goes "gellie" mean? I couldn't find a definition I was >>> sure >> you're using. >> >> >> On 9/9/2014 11:36 AM, LRS Scout wrote: >>> I'm more surprised by gellie personally. >>> On Sep 9, 2014 11:25 AM, "Cameron Childress" wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Ray Champagne wrote: > My opinion of some people on this list has changed...not for the >> better. Agreed. There are no words. I cannot fathom even knowing someone having >> the same attitude as Rick. Perhaps she should not have slapped him, but couples argue and get into minor altercations. It happens. Even if she was punching him as >> hard as >> she could repeatedly, that is no excuse to knock her out cold. Remember that Jay-Z video in an elevator, Beyonce's sister >> attacking >> him. He stepped back, she was not hurting him. He did not knock her out cold. Rick you are completely on the wrong side of this argument and you look like an asshole for it. -Cameron ... >>> >> > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372321 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Pretty sure he just earned my first ever filter. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:15 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Rick managed to promote himself to my second ever kill filter on this list, > after Sam. Life's too short to deal with shit like this, ya know? Pity, but > there it is. > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > > And we are all extremely happy that you did. Good to know that the 1950's > > attitude towards women is not dead yet. Shows we still have some work to > > do. > > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Rick Faircloth > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Well, I've just reached a point with the implosion of our society > > > that it's time to speak up and take a stand. > > > > > > > > > On 9/9/2014 2:31 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > > > Angel, a long term member of the list. > > > > On Sep 9, 2014 2:27 PM, "Rick Faircloth" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Scout, what goes "gellie" mean? I couldn't find a definition I was > > sure > > > >> you're using. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On 9/9/2014 11:36 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > > >>> I'm more surprised by gellie personally. > > > >>> On Sep 9, 2014 11:25 AM, "Cameron Childress" > > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Ray Champagne wrote: > > > > > > > My opinion of some people on this list has changed...not for the > > > >> better. > > > Agreed. There are no words. I cannot fathom even knowing someone > > > having > > > >> the > > > same attitude as Rick. > > > > > > Perhaps she should not have slapped him, but couples argue and get > > > into > > > minor altercations. It happens. Even if she was punching him as > hard > > > as > > > >> she > > > could repeatedly, that is no excuse to knock her out cold. > > > > > > Remember that Jay-Z video in an elevator, Beyonce's sister > attacking > > > >> him. > > > He stepped back, she was not hurting him. He did not knock her out > > > cold. > > > > > > Rick you are completely on the wrong side of this argument and you > > > look > > > like an asshole for it. > > > > > > -Cameron > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372320 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Ray Rice
Ah, yes, Rick, please enlighten us with your tales of working with abuse victims. I am sure they were all looking for trouble, just like Ray Rice's fiance, right? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: > > Oh, bull, Maureen. > > You would intervene based on what you think even where you're not wanted > or welcome. You know everyone's situation just because you've worked with > "some" cases of abuse. What hubris... > > > On 9/9/2014 10:58 PM, Maureen wrote: > > He hit her in the face with his fist. If there is never another > > instance of abuse, that was enough. That is not love, it is control, > > pure and simple. And no matter what she says, he is an abuser. > > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Vivec wrote: > >> Scott, let's say your omniscience is wrong. > >> > >> And a month or two, or more from now it comes out that they were a > couple > >> that had problems, > >> but there was no ongoing domestic abuse. They were working things out, > and > >> then this came along and ruined everything for them. > >> > >> What would you say then? > >> > >> On 9 September 2014 22:13, Scott Stroz wrote: > >> > >>> The media did not destroy a family... Ray Rice did, the moment he > decided > >>> the best course of action to resolve the situation was to punch his > >>> soon-to-be wife in the face. > >>> > >>> I mentioned on Facebook, she is practically a textbook case of someone > who > >>> is abused. Letting them 'sort out their problems' may result in her > death > >>> (or his if she decides she is tired of being abused). The biggest red > flag > >>> is that she has blamed every one, including herself, except for the > person > >>> who the the punch. > >>> > >>> Do yourself a favor and go on Twitter and search for #WhyIStayed to > get a > >>> glimpse of what some victims of abuse go through and what their state > of > >>> mind is/was. > >>> On Sep 9, 2014 9:32 PM, "Vivec" wrote: > >>> > Yeah, I know what you meant. > But the comparison you can't make a comparison like that. > > And I don't see anything wrong with my view that > A) his actions were disproportionate > B) It was an altercation between two adults > C) they were both to blame for what happened. > D) The "intervention" of the media did nothing to help the couple or > >>> their > situation > E) Since February there has not been any other reports of domestic > >>> violence > at all. > F) There is just not enough evidence at all to say that in that > couple's > relationship there was a history of violence on either side. > > They were in a Casino, she was stumbling to the elevator, they were > probably both very drunk. > This isn't an excuse for either of them, but the entire situation > needs > >>> to > be viewed objectively. > Remove the "knockout" , what are you left with? > > If she's fine, she didn't seek help, they got married...nothing > happened > from February to now... > leave the people alone let them sort out their problems and live their > life. > > She is not a little child that needs the world and adults that know > >>> better > to look after her. > > What the media has done is effectively destroyed a family. They > haven't > helped her, and they haven't helped him. > They have destroyed a family. > > Hey, you know what? Maybe in a month more information will come out > and > >>> we > will find out that it was a horrible abusive relationship. > Some cousin or uncle or friend will come out and say , yeah, he was > >>> always > hitting her. Or she was always cussing and hitting him. > > But as of right now? That's not the case. > > On 9 September 2014 21:11, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am > giving > you > > to much credit. > > > > I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick > would > > ever consider. > > > > To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole > >>> thread > > started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I am > > flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. > It > just > > does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - > > apparently, I am not the only one. > > > > I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to deserve > >>> being > > punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never in > danger. > > His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting him as > >>> the > > victim? > > On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, "Vivec" wrote: > > > >> You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? > >> Do you think women are like little kids unable to take > responsibility > for > >> their actions, and know righ
Re: Ray Rice
No..they were not. He was not a victimof anything. And to try and paint him as such shows how misogynistic you really are. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: > > They *both* were victims of assault. > > If the woman had assaulted a smaller, weaker woman like she did Ray > Rice, and did the > same amount of physical damage to the smaller, weaker woman, should she > be charged with assault? > > Of course she should. > > The both did things that were wrong. > > > On 9/9/2014 9:11 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I am not, and I feel safe in assuming you know that - maybe I am giving > you > > to much credit. > > > > I am trying to see if disproportionate response is something Rick would > > ever consider. > > > > To be honest, I had very little respect for Rick before this whole thread > > started, and his response do not really surprise me. But, Gel, I am > > flabbergasted by some of your comments - both here and on Facebook. It > just > > does not jive with the impression I have gotten over the years - > > apparently, I am not the only one. > > > > I will say this one more time. There is NOTHING she did to deserve being > > punched in the face and knocked unconscious. His life was never in > danger. > > His response was way over the top. Can we please stop painting him as the > > victim? > > On Sep 9, 2014 9:00 PM, "Vivec" wrote: > > > >> You are comparing an adult woman to a 12 year old child? > >> Do you think women are like little kids unable to take responsibility > for > >> their actions, and know right from wrong? > >> > >> Dropping the charges doesn't mean that she didn't do anything, > >> it means that the lawyers decided it wasn't worth it to prosecute, and > they > >> had a stronger case against him. > >> > >> On 9 September 2014 20:47, Scott Stroz wrote: > >> > >>> Both initially were charged with assault. Her charges were later > dropped. > >>> He was then charged with aggravated assault. > >>> > >>> I wonder, if this was a 12 year old child who he hit, would you guys > >> think > >>> they were also 'looking for trouble'? > >>> > >> > >> > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372318 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
