Re: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?

[Kwang Suh]

I myself will be waiting for Mach II: Championship Edition.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Brunt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 11:19 PM
Subject: RE: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?


> I think to differentiate it from Fusebox 4 for Procedural coding (the next
> logical step from Fusebox 3.0).  I understand that but I think it will
take
> a little time for Mach-II to gain a relative name recognition momentum to
> equal Fusebox (the name recognition that is).
>
> Kind Regards - Mike Brunt
> Webapper Services LLC
> Web Site http://www.webapper.com
> Blog http://www.webapper.net
>
> Webapper 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 9:59 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
>
> > Mach II == Fusebox MX.
> Any reason why they renamed Fusebox MX to Mach II?
>
> Joe Eugene
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 12:40 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
> >
> >
> > Mach II == Fusebox MX.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Joe Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 9:37 PM
> > Subject: RE: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
> >
> >
> > > > http://www.mach-ii.com/
> > >
> > > Interesting.. didnt know Hal Helms and group were working on another
> > > Framework Project.
> > >
> > > > Interesting... looks a lot like Mach II (nee Fusebox MX).
> > > I havent looked deep into Fusebox MX, its still in beta. Honestly,
> > > didnt quite understand the whole idea of Circuits/Parsed files etc.
> > >
> > > I would rather just use a base Controller/Parser and multiple
> > > Controller helpers.. alot like Jakarta Struts.. Minus some of
> > > the Complexity in Struts.
> > >
> > > Joe Eugene
> > >
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 6:24 PM
> > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > Subject: Re: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Interesting... looks a lot like Mach II (nee Fusebox MX). See
> > > > http://www.mach-ii.com/
> > > >
> > > > On Monday, Jul 14, 2003, at 15:01 US/Pacific, Joe Eugene wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I have used alot of Concepts from Jakarta Structs as MVC for
recent
> > > > > application.
> > > > > It worked very well, with a very high level of code management.
> > > > > Begining
> > > > > with
> > > > > file structure
> > > > >
> > > > > index.cfm is the only exposed page of the applicaiton.
> > > > > application.xml for application level control/instantiation
> > > > >
> > > > > system/model/data -- contains data objects
> > > > > system/model/logic -- logic controls
> > > > > system/model/validator -- validation controls for forms etc
> > > > >
> > > > > system/controller -- controller files
> > > > > system/view -- all view sub-components or pages.
> > > > >
> > > > > controller.xml for flow control and method execution mappings..
> > > > > similar to
> > > > > whats
> > > > > done in Jakarta Struts except ...*.cfc used here. All
> > method mappings
> > > > > are
> > > > > executed
> > > > > dynamically and variables in the xml mapping get the result or set
> > > > > values in
> > > > > variables scope. View Components do NOT touch high level scope
> > > > > variables
> > > > > like
> > > > > client/session/application.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been quite happy with the Model.. Once the model is
written..
> > > > > all you
> > > > > do is
> > > > > write your data layer methods and view pages.. and you are
> > done.. The
> > > > > controller does
> > > > > the rest of the job.
> > > > >
> > > > >> Ease of development and organization
> > > > > Heavy resistance from other CF Developers at first.. but then some
> > > > > started
> > > > > to realize
> > > > > the benefits... Others are hung on the Fusebox 3 Case Style.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you are really excited about developing some class
> > applications and
> > > > > tight
> > > > > coding... it becomes very hard
> > > > > to work with developers who arent looking to improve.. but just
get
> > the
> > > > > project done...
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe Eugene
> > > > >
> > > > > - Original Message -
> > > > > From: "Smith, Don , CTR , WHS/PSD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:50 PM
> > > > > Subject: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> Is anyone using Jakarta Struts for CFMX and can they comment
toward
> > > > >> its
> > > > > use?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I am looking for a published development framework that would be
> > > > >> flexible
> > > > >> enough for development in, plus allow our team to investigate new
> > > > >> technologies outside of CFMX -I like what I read of Struts'
> > > > >> i

RE: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?

[Mike Brunt]

I think to differentiate it from Fusebox 4 for Procedural coding (the next
logical step from Fusebox 3.0).  I understand that but I think it will take
a little time for Mach-II to gain a relative name recognition momentum to
equal Fusebox (the name recognition that is).

Kind Regards - Mike Brunt
Webapper Services LLC
Web Site http://www.webapper.com
Blog http://www.webapper.net

Webapper 

-Original Message-
From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 9:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?

> Mach II == Fusebox MX.
Any reason why they renamed Fusebox MX to Mach II?

Joe Eugene


> -Original Message-
> From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 12:40 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
>
>
> Mach II == Fusebox MX.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Joe Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 9:37 PM
> Subject: RE: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
>
>
> > > http://www.mach-ii.com/
> >
> > Interesting.. didnt know Hal Helms and group were working on another
> > Framework Project.
> >
> > > Interesting... looks a lot like Mach II (nee Fusebox MX).
> > I havent looked deep into Fusebox MX, its still in beta. Honestly,
> > didnt quite understand the whole idea of Circuits/Parsed files etc.
> >
> > I would rather just use a base Controller/Parser and multiple
> > Controller helpers.. alot like Jakarta Struts.. Minus some of
> > the Complexity in Struts.
> >
> > Joe Eugene
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 6:24 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Re: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
> > >
> > >
> > > Interesting... looks a lot like Mach II (nee Fusebox MX). See
> > > http://www.mach-ii.com/
> > >
> > > On Monday, Jul 14, 2003, at 15:01 US/Pacific, Joe Eugene wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have used alot of Concepts from Jakarta Structs as MVC for recent
> > > > application.
> > > > It worked very well, with a very high level of code management.
> > > > Begining
> > > > with
> > > > file structure
> > > >
> > > > index.cfm is the only exposed page of the applicaiton.
> > > > application.xml for application level control/instantiation
> > > >
> > > > system/model/data -- contains data objects
> > > > system/model/logic -- logic controls
> > > > system/model/validator -- validation controls for forms etc
> > > >
> > > > system/controller -- controller files
> > > > system/view -- all view sub-components or pages.
> > > >
> > > > controller.xml for flow control and method execution mappings..
> > > > similar to
> > > > whats
> > > > done in Jakarta Struts except ...*.cfc used here. All
> method mappings
> > > > are
> > > > executed
> > > > dynamically and variables in the xml mapping get the result or set
> > > > values in
> > > > variables scope. View Components do NOT touch high level scope
> > > > variables
> > > > like
> > > > client/session/application.
> > > >
> > > > I have been quite happy with the Model.. Once the model is written..
> > > > all you
> > > > do is
> > > > write your data layer methods and view pages.. and you are
> done.. The
> > > > controller does
> > > > the rest of the job.
> > > >
> > > >> Ease of development and organization
> > > > Heavy resistance from other CF Developers at first.. but then some
> > > > started
> > > > to realize
> > > > the benefits... Others are hung on the Fusebox 3 Case Style.
> > > >
> > > > If you are really excited about developing some class
> applications and
> > > > tight
> > > > coding... it becomes very hard
> > > > to work with developers who arent looking to improve.. but just get
> the
> > > > project done...
> > > >
> > > > Joe Eugene
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Smith, Don , CTR , WHS/PSD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:50 PM
> > > > Subject: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Is anyone using Jakarta Struts for CFMX and can they comment toward
> > > >> its
> > > > use?
> > > >>
> > > >> I am looking for a published development framework that would be
> > > >> flexible
> > > >> enough for development in, plus allow our team to investigate new
> > > >> technologies outside of CFMX -I like what I read of Struts'
> > > >> integration of
> > > >> Java technology but I haven't implemented it yet.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm working with some staff for whom integration of existing Java
> > > > libraries
> > > >> would be a stretch and others who could handle it easily, but it
> would
> > > >> require ramp-up time and
> > > >> education.
> > > >>
> > > >> I am hoping to find a framework that would allow me to point new
> > > > developers
> > > >> to existing materials so I would not have to write up an
> entire "code
> > > >> like
> > > > I
> > > >

RE: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?

[Chris Kief]

>From the preso slides (http://www.mach-ii.com/downloads/MachII-Preso.ppt):

In keeping with the language-neutral nature of the architecture,
we've adopted a new name: Mach-II

chris


>-Original Message-
>From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 9:59 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
>
>> Mach II == Fusebox MX.
>Any reason why they renamed Fusebox MX to Mach II?
>
>Joe Eugene
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 12:40 AM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
>>
>>
>> Mach II == Fusebox MX.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Joe Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 9:37 PM
>> Subject: RE: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
>>
>>
>> > > http://www.mach-ii.com/
>> >
>> > Interesting.. didnt know Hal Helms and group were working on another
>> > Framework Project.
>> >
>> > > Interesting... looks a lot like Mach II (nee Fusebox MX).
>> > I havent looked deep into Fusebox MX, its still in beta. Honestly,
>> > didnt quite understand the whole idea of Circuits/Parsed files etc.
>> >
>> > I would rather just use a base Controller/Parser and multiple
>> > Controller helpers.. alot like Jakarta Struts.. Minus some of
>> > the Complexity in Struts.
>> >
>> > Joe Eugene
>> >
>> >
>> > > -Original Message-
>> > > From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 6:24 PM
>> > > To: CF-Talk
>> > > Subject: Re: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Interesting... looks a lot like Mach II (nee Fusebox MX). See
>> > > http://www.mach-ii.com/
>> > >
>> > > On Monday, Jul 14, 2003, at 15:01 US/Pacific, Joe Eugene wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I have used alot of Concepts from Jakarta Structs as MVC for recent
>> > > > application.
>> > > > It worked very well, with a very high level of code management.
>> > > > Begining
>> > > > with
>> > > > file structure
>> > > >
>> > > > index.cfm is the only exposed page of the applicaiton.
>> > > > application.xml for application level control/instantiation
>> > > >
>> > > > system/model/data -- contains data objects
>> > > > system/model/logic -- logic controls
>> > > > system/model/validator -- validation controls for forms etc
>> > > >
>> > > > system/controller -- controller files
>> > > > system/view -- all view sub-components or pages.
>> > > >
>> > > > controller.xml for flow control and method execution mappings..
>> > > > similar to
>> > > > whats
>> > > > done in Jakarta Struts except ...*.cfc used here. All
>> method mappings
>> > > > are
>> > > > executed
>> > > > dynamically and variables in the xml mapping get the result or set
>> > > > values in
>> > > > variables scope. View Components do NOT touch high level scope
>> > > > variables
>> > > > like
>> > > > client/session/application.
>> > > >
>> > > > I have been quite happy with the Model.. Once the model is
written..
>> > > > all you
>> > > > do is
>> > > > write your data layer methods and view pages.. and you are
>> done.. The
>> > > > controller does
>> > > > the rest of the job.
>> > > >
>> > > >> Ease of development and organization
>> > > > Heavy resistance from other CF Developers at first.. but then some
>> > > > started
>> > > > to realize
>> > > > the benefits... Others are hung on the Fusebox 3 Case Style.
>> > > >
>> > > > If you are really excited about developing some class
>> applications and
>> > > > tight
>> > > > coding... it becomes very hard
>> > > > to work with developers who arent looking to improve.. but just get
>> the
>> > > > project done...
>> > > >
>> > > > Joe Eugene
>> > > >
>> > > > - Original Message -
>> > > > From: "Smith, Don , CTR , WHS/PSD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > > > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:50 PM
>> > > > Subject: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >> Is anyone using Jakarta Struts for CFMX and can they comment
>toward
>> > > >> its
>> > > > use?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I am looking for a published development framework that would be
>> > > >> flexible
>> > > >> enough for development in, plus allow our team to investigate new
>> > > >> technologies outside of CFMX -I like what I read of Struts'
>> > > >> integration of
>> > > >> Java technology but I haven't implemented it yet.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I'm working with some staff for whom integration of existing Java
>> > > > libraries
>> > > >> would be a stretch and others who could handle it easily, but it
>> would
>> > > >> require ramp-up time and
>> > > >> education.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I am hoping to find a framework that would allow me to point new
>> > > > developers
>> > > >> to existing materials so I would not have to write up an
>> entire "code
>> > > >> like
>> > > > I
>> > > >> do" book.  I am also hoping that it would add something on top 

RE: Bulk CF Encryption App

[Tilbrook, Peter]

http://www.novabean.com/cfmdecrypt/cfmdecrypt.html

It's not free but it is fast and capable.


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Re: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?

[Kwang Suh]

They decided that it's too far from the current Fusebox architecture, so
they rebranded it.

- Original Message - 
From: "Joe Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 10:58 PM
Subject: RE: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?


> > Mach II == Fusebox MX.
> Any reason why they renamed Fusebox MX to Mach II?
>
> Joe Eugene
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 12:40 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
> >
> >
> > Mach II == Fusebox MX.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Joe Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 9:37 PM
> > Subject: RE: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
> >
> >
> > > > http://www.mach-ii.com/
> > >
> > > Interesting.. didnt know Hal Helms and group were working on another
> > > Framework Project.
> > >
> > > > Interesting... looks a lot like Mach II (nee Fusebox MX).
> > > I havent looked deep into Fusebox MX, its still in beta. Honestly,
> > > didnt quite understand the whole idea of Circuits/Parsed files etc.
> > >
> > > I would rather just use a base Controller/Parser and multiple
> > > Controller helpers.. alot like Jakarta Struts.. Minus some of
> > > the Complexity in Struts.
> > >
> > > Joe Eugene
> > >
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 6:24 PM
> > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > Subject: Re: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Interesting... looks a lot like Mach II (nee Fusebox MX). See
> > > > http://www.mach-ii.com/
> > > >
> > > > On Monday, Jul 14, 2003, at 15:01 US/Pacific, Joe Eugene wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I have used alot of Concepts from Jakarta Structs as MVC for
recent
> > > > > application.
> > > > > It worked very well, with a very high level of code management.
> > > > > Begining
> > > > > with
> > > > > file structure
> > > > >
> > > > > index.cfm is the only exposed page of the applicaiton.
> > > > > application.xml for application level control/instantiation
> > > > >
> > > > > system/model/data -- contains data objects
> > > > > system/model/logic -- logic controls
> > > > > system/model/validator -- validation controls for forms etc
> > > > >
> > > > > system/controller -- controller files
> > > > > system/view -- all view sub-components or pages.
> > > > >
> > > > > controller.xml for flow control and method execution mappings..
> > > > > similar to
> > > > > whats
> > > > > done in Jakarta Struts except ...*.cfc used here. All
> > method mappings
> > > > > are
> > > > > executed
> > > > > dynamically and variables in the xml mapping get the result or set
> > > > > values in
> > > > > variables scope. View Components do NOT touch high level scope
> > > > > variables
> > > > > like
> > > > > client/session/application.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been quite happy with the Model.. Once the model is
written..
> > > > > all you
> > > > > do is
> > > > > write your data layer methods and view pages.. and you are
> > done.. The
> > > > > controller does
> > > > > the rest of the job.
> > > > >
> > > > >> Ease of development and organization
> > > > > Heavy resistance from other CF Developers at first.. but then some
> > > > > started
> > > > > to realize
> > > > > the benefits... Others are hung on the Fusebox 3 Case Style.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you are really excited about developing some class
> > applications and
> > > > > tight
> > > > > coding... it becomes very hard
> > > > > to work with developers who arent looking to improve.. but just
get
> > the
> > > > > project done...
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe Eugene
> > > > >
> > > > > - Original Message -
> > > > > From: "Smith, Don , CTR , WHS/PSD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:50 PM
> > > > > Subject: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> Is anyone using Jakarta Struts for CFMX and can they comment
toward
> > > > >> its
> > > > > use?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I am looking for a published development framework that would be
> > > > >> flexible
> > > > >> enough for development in, plus allow our team to investigate new
> > > > >> technologies outside of CFMX -I like what I read of Struts'
> > > > >> integration of
> > > > >> Java technology but I haven't implemented it yet.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm working with some staff for whom integration of existing Java
> > > > > libraries
> > > > >> would be a stretch and others who could handle it easily, but it
> > would
> > > > >> require ramp-up time and
> > > > >> education.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I am hoping to find a framework that would allow me to point new
> > > > > developers
> > > > >> to existing materials so I would not have to write up an
> > entire "code
> > > > >> like
> > > > > I
> > > > >> do" b

RE: Bulk CF Encryption App

[Tyagi, Badal]

Have you tried http://www.iz-net.com/

regards
badal Tyagi
HCL Perot Systems
Noida, India

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 7:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Bulk CF Encryption App


Can anyone recommend a good bulk CFML encrypt or? I've tried a few as
"trial" versions and they both choke out on my directory of 77 CFML
templates, throw errors of all sorts and generally don't work.
 
Anyone have any recommendations or is the best way to do it one at a
time from the command-line?
 
Thanks,
 
Joshua Miller
Head Programmer / IT Manager
Garrison Enterprises Inc.
www.garrisonenterprises.net  
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RE: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?

[Joe Eugene]

> Mach II == Fusebox MX.
Any reason why they renamed Fusebox MX to Mach II?

Joe Eugene


> -Original Message-
> From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 12:40 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
>
>
> Mach II == Fusebox MX.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Joe Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 9:37 PM
> Subject: RE: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
>
>
> > > http://www.mach-ii.com/
> >
> > Interesting.. didnt know Hal Helms and group were working on another
> > Framework Project.
> >
> > > Interesting... looks a lot like Mach II (nee Fusebox MX).
> > I havent looked deep into Fusebox MX, its still in beta. Honestly,
> > didnt quite understand the whole idea of Circuits/Parsed files etc.
> >
> > I would rather just use a base Controller/Parser and multiple
> > Controller helpers.. alot like Jakarta Struts.. Minus some of
> > the Complexity in Struts.
> >
> > Joe Eugene
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 6:24 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Re: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
> > >
> > >
> > > Interesting... looks a lot like Mach II (nee Fusebox MX). See
> > > http://www.mach-ii.com/
> > >
> > > On Monday, Jul 14, 2003, at 15:01 US/Pacific, Joe Eugene wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have used alot of Concepts from Jakarta Structs as MVC for recent
> > > > application.
> > > > It worked very well, with a very high level of code management.
> > > > Begining
> > > > with
> > > > file structure
> > > >
> > > > index.cfm is the only exposed page of the applicaiton.
> > > > application.xml for application level control/instantiation
> > > >
> > > > system/model/data -- contains data objects
> > > > system/model/logic -- logic controls
> > > > system/model/validator -- validation controls for forms etc
> > > >
> > > > system/controller -- controller files
> > > > system/view -- all view sub-components or pages.
> > > >
> > > > controller.xml for flow control and method execution mappings..
> > > > similar to
> > > > whats
> > > > done in Jakarta Struts except ...*.cfc used here. All
> method mappings
> > > > are
> > > > executed
> > > > dynamically and variables in the xml mapping get the result or set
> > > > values in
> > > > variables scope. View Components do NOT touch high level scope
> > > > variables
> > > > like
> > > > client/session/application.
> > > >
> > > > I have been quite happy with the Model.. Once the model is written..
> > > > all you
> > > > do is
> > > > write your data layer methods and view pages.. and you are
> done.. The
> > > > controller does
> > > > the rest of the job.
> > > >
> > > >> Ease of development and organization
> > > > Heavy resistance from other CF Developers at first.. but then some
> > > > started
> > > > to realize
> > > > the benefits... Others are hung on the Fusebox 3 Case Style.
> > > >
> > > > If you are really excited about developing some class
> applications and
> > > > tight
> > > > coding... it becomes very hard
> > > > to work with developers who arent looking to improve.. but just get
> the
> > > > project done...
> > > >
> > > > Joe Eugene
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Smith, Don , CTR , WHS/PSD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:50 PM
> > > > Subject: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Is anyone using Jakarta Struts for CFMX and can they comment toward
> > > >> its
> > > > use?
> > > >>
> > > >> I am looking for a published development framework that would be
> > > >> flexible
> > > >> enough for development in, plus allow our team to investigate new
> > > >> technologies outside of CFMX -I like what I read of Struts'
> > > >> integration of
> > > >> Java technology but I haven't implemented it yet.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm working with some staff for whom integration of existing Java
> > > > libraries
> > > >> would be a stretch and others who could handle it easily, but it
> would
> > > >> require ramp-up time and
> > > >> education.
> > > >>
> > > >> I am hoping to find a framework that would allow me to point new
> > > > developers
> > > >> to existing materials so I would not have to write up an
> entire "code
> > > >> like
> > > > I
> > > >> do" book.  I am also hoping that it would add something on top of
> > > >> CFMX and
> > > >> not merely reorganize CFMX without adding anything.
> > > >>
> > > >> How was your:
> > > >> Ease of development and organization
> > > >> Integration with Java for non-Java programmers
> > > >> Success rate in getting users to adapt
> > > >>
> > > >> THANKS!
> > > >>
> > > >> Don
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
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Re: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?

[Kwang Suh]

Mach II == Fusebox MX.

- Original Message - 
From: "Joe Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 9:37 PM
Subject: RE: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?


> > http://www.mach-ii.com/
>
> Interesting.. didnt know Hal Helms and group were working on another
> Framework Project.
>
> > Interesting... looks a lot like Mach II (nee Fusebox MX).
> I havent looked deep into Fusebox MX, its still in beta. Honestly,
> didnt quite understand the whole idea of Circuits/Parsed files etc.
>
> I would rather just use a base Controller/Parser and multiple
> Controller helpers.. alot like Jakarta Struts.. Minus some of
> the Complexity in Struts.
>
> Joe Eugene
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 6:24 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
> >
> >
> > Interesting... looks a lot like Mach II (nee Fusebox MX). See
> > http://www.mach-ii.com/
> >
> > On Monday, Jul 14, 2003, at 15:01 US/Pacific, Joe Eugene wrote:
> >
> > > I have used alot of Concepts from Jakarta Structs as MVC for recent
> > > application.
> > > It worked very well, with a very high level of code management.
> > > Begining
> > > with
> > > file structure
> > >
> > > index.cfm is the only exposed page of the applicaiton.
> > > application.xml for application level control/instantiation
> > >
> > > system/model/data -- contains data objects
> > > system/model/logic -- logic controls
> > > system/model/validator -- validation controls for forms etc
> > >
> > > system/controller -- controller files
> > > system/view -- all view sub-components or pages.
> > >
> > > controller.xml for flow control and method execution mappings..
> > > similar to
> > > whats
> > > done in Jakarta Struts except ...*.cfc used here. All method mappings
> > > are
> > > executed
> > > dynamically and variables in the xml mapping get the result or set
> > > values in
> > > variables scope. View Components do NOT touch high level scope
> > > variables
> > > like
> > > client/session/application.
> > >
> > > I have been quite happy with the Model.. Once the model is written..
> > > all you
> > > do is
> > > write your data layer methods and view pages.. and you are done.. The
> > > controller does
> > > the rest of the job.
> > >
> > >> Ease of development and organization
> > > Heavy resistance from other CF Developers at first.. but then some
> > > started
> > > to realize
> > > the benefits... Others are hung on the Fusebox 3 Case Style.
> > >
> > > If you are really excited about developing some class applications and
> > > tight
> > > coding... it becomes very hard
> > > to work with developers who arent looking to improve.. but just get
the
> > > project done...
> > >
> > > Joe Eugene
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Smith, Don , CTR , WHS/PSD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:50 PM
> > > Subject: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
> > >
> > >
> > >> Is anyone using Jakarta Struts for CFMX and can they comment toward
> > >> its
> > > use?
> > >>
> > >> I am looking for a published development framework that would be
> > >> flexible
> > >> enough for development in, plus allow our team to investigate new
> > >> technologies outside of CFMX -I like what I read of Struts'
> > >> integration of
> > >> Java technology but I haven't implemented it yet.
> > >>
> > >> I'm working with some staff for whom integration of existing Java
> > > libraries
> > >> would be a stretch and others who could handle it easily, but it
would
> > >> require ramp-up time and
> > >> education.
> > >>
> > >> I am hoping to find a framework that would allow me to point new
> > > developers
> > >> to existing materials so I would not have to write up an entire "code
> > >> like
> > > I
> > >> do" book.  I am also hoping that it would add something on top of
> > >> CFMX and
> > >> not merely reorganize CFMX without adding anything.
> > >>
> > >> How was your:
> > >> Ease of development and organization
> > >> Integration with Java for non-Java programmers
> > >> Success rate in getting users to adapt
> > >>
> > >> THANKS!
> > >>
> > >> Don
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> 
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Re: Refresh application-scoped variables

[Christian Cantrell]

On Monday, July 14, 2003, at 07:26 PM, fred fred wrote:

> Yes, security through obscurity is a higly recommended approach with 
> many software vendors.

Hence the other, more secure options listed in my last email.  Raymond 
mentioned a good one, as well.

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RE: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?

[Joe Eugene]

> if you don't know Java. Architecting the struts-config takes some work.
> Deploying can be a royal pain.

Jakarta Struts Config Mappings are not all that Hard to understand. You can
take a peek into CFMX/JRun xml mappings.. they are fairly straight forward.

I dont think you can use Struts as is in CFMX but yes.. borrow some good
ideas.
e.g.

 


Dynamically execute CFC methods..
dataClass = Your CFC (MyDataClass)
method = getAboutUs
var Type returned = struct
var Name = variables.aboutUs (Controller dynamically executes this for you)

The mappings are parsed once into application scope.

Joe Eugene


> -Original Message-
> From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 5:23 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
>
>
> > Here is an article on using Struts with in CFMX:
> >
> > http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/struts.html
>
> Yeah, I've seen that. CFCs as a model instead of JavaBeans, EJB, etc and
> baking CFML business logic into CFM pages in the View instead of
> JSP. How is
> either of those things a truly useful idea?
>
> And you'd have to work the CF pages really hard to get the benefits of the
> inherent Struts framework (eg the validator). Whoopee, I can mix a few cfm
> tags into the JSP taglibs I'm already using. And can dig under
> the covers to
> Java from CF to manipulate the stuff that's truly important. Why add the
> overhead?
>
> There's not a lot that CF offers that's not already in a taglib
> now -- not a
> knock against CF, just a fact. The only advantage is that it "transitions"
> your developers to Java. I'd say take the pain and learn Java --
> non-trivial
> Struts apps are not easy. Building your own custom tag libs is
> not real easy
> if you don't know Java. Architecting the struts-config takes some work.
> Deploying can be a royal pain.
>
> If you want your developers to learn Java, give them the
> resources and have
> them learn Java. If you want to stick with CF, there's FB4 and Mach-II
> frameworks in active development. I'm a big fan of the Agile family of
> development methodologies and mixing Struts and CFMX seems like a
> backwards
> step for the development process, not a forward one. Having worked on 4
> migration projects involving CF programmers transitioning to
> Struts, I can't
> recommend it. Teach them Java and Struts. Or don't use Java on
> that project.
>
>
> > I have not used it with in CFMX for J2EE, but just in JRun:
> > http://www.macromedia.com/support/jrun/ts/documents/tn18297.htm
> > Note: The installation in this article is ok, but the directions for
> > the "Simple Struts App" is lacking.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tkx,
> > Jim
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:57 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
> >
> >
> > Having done a couple Struts projects, you need a couple of good
> Java folks
> > to help wade through implementing Struts. I'd look at Fusebox
> (3 or 4, not
> > MX nee Mach-II) if you're looking for a plug and play framework *for
> > ColdFusion*. Struts has many more built in features (eg the
> validator) but
> > is a lot more complicated. For our small CF5 to Struts migration project
> > (roughly 30k lines of CF code), the struts-config file was
> something like
> > 2800 lines (of course now you can distribute the Struts config
> files, but
> > not at that time).
> >
> > If you're using CFMX for J2EE, you could consider doing some apps in
> Struts,
> > some in CFMX, but I don't see a lot of advantage to mixing them in the
> same
> > app -- I think it will be pretty complicated and not sure what value it
> > gives you.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > John Paul Ashenfelter
> > CTO/TransitionPoint
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Smith, Don , CTR , WHS/PSD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:50 PM
> > Subject: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
> >
> >
> > > Is anyone using Jakarta Struts for CFMX and can they comment toward
> > > its
> > use?
> > >
> > > I am looking for a published development framework that would be
> > > flexible enough for development in, plus allow our team to investigate
> > > new technologies outside of CFMX -I like what I read of Struts'
> > > integration of Java technology but I haven't implemented it yet.
> > >
> > > I'm working with some staff for whom integration of existing Java
> > libraries
> > > would be a stretch and others who could handle it easily, but it would
> > > require ramp-up time and education.
> > >
> > > I am hoping to find a framework that would allow me to point new
> > developers
> > > to existing materials so I would not have to write up an entire "code
> > > like
> > I
> > > do" book.  I am also hoping that it would add something on top of CFMX
> > > and not merely reorganize CFMX without adding anything.
> > >
> > > How

Re: iframe & form javascript

[S . Isaac Dealey]

You're missing single quotes in your onclick event... try this:

onClick="top.mainFrameSet.main.document.frmAddItem.Image.value='#jsstringformat(subDir 
& name)#';"

I _think_ javascript should be graceful enough to allow you to have Image as the name 
of that field... never name a form field "name" "action" or "target" -- this will 
prevent js code from accessing the form's name, action or target attributes... they 
are case-sensitive, however, so "NAME" is fine if confusing. :)

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> Tim,
> Changed it to ImageName and still the same thing.
> Thanks, Stan

>>First thing I would do would be to change the field name
>>to something other
>>than Image.  IMage is an object in js and that may be a
>>cause for your
>>problem.  Even if you just try changing all refrences to
>>it to img or
>>imgField or something.
>>
>>Tim
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Stan Winchester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 10:38 PM
>>Subject: iframe & form javascript
>>
>>
>>> I've got a form with two nested iframes that are
>>> side-by-side. The one of
>>> the left shows a directory listing of images, the one on
>>> the right is an
>>> image viewer. Below is the link that is used in the left
>>> iframe (this is
>>> inside a cfloop). When a user clicks on the link the
>>> image views properly,
>>> but I also want the image path & name values to be
>>> passed to a form field
>>> name "Image" that resides the form.
>>>
>>> >> target="viewer"
>>>
>>onClick="top.mainFrameSet.main.document.frmAddItem.Image.v
>>alue=#subDir##name
>>> #;">#name#
>>>
>>> The problem is the path & name values are not getting
>>> passed to the field
>>> name "Image". I'm not getting any javascript errors, but
>>> it does not work.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Stan Winchester
>>>
>>>
> ~~
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RE: iframe & form javascript

[Joshua Miller]

Try wrapping the variable with the CF Function jsstringformat()

My bet is that the / or \ characters in the path are making trouble for
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-Original Message-
From: Stan Winchester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 11:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: iframe & form javascript


Tim,
Changed it to ImageName and still the same thing.
Thanks, Stan

>First thing I would do would be to change the field name to something 
>other than Image.  IMage is an object in js and that may be a cause for

>your problem.  Even if you just try changing all refrences to it to img

>or imgField or something.
>
>Tim
>- Original Message -
>From: "Stan Winchester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 10:38 PM
>Subject: iframe & form javascript
>
>
>> I've got a form with two nested iframes that are side-by-side. The 
>> one of the left shows a directory listing of images, the one on the 
>> right is an image viewer. Below is the link that is used in the left 
>> iframe (this is inside a cfloop). When a user clicks on the link the 
>> image views properly, but I also want the image path & name values to

>> be passed to a form field name "Image" that resides the form.
>>
>> >
>onClick="top.mainFrameSet.main.document.frmAddItem.Image.value=#subDir#
>#name
>> #;">#name#
>>
>> The problem is the path & name values are not getting passed to the 
>> field name "Image". I'm not getting any javascript errors, but it 
>> does not work.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Stan Winchester
>>
>> 

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iframe & form javascript

[Stan Winchester]

Tim,
Changed it to ImageName and still the same thing.
Thanks, Stan

>First thing I would do would be to change the field name to something other
>than Image.  IMage is an object in js and that may be a cause for your
>problem.  Even if you just try changing all refrences to it to img or
>imgField or something.
>
>Tim
>- Original Message -
>From: "Stan Winchester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 10:38 PM
>Subject: iframe & form javascript
>
>
>> I've got a form with two nested iframes that are side-by-side. The one of
>> the left shows a directory listing of images, the one on the right is an
>> image viewer. Below is the link that is used in the left iframe (this is
>> inside a cfloop). When a user clicks on the link the image views properly,
>> but I also want the image path & name values to be passed to a form field
>> name "Image" that resides the form.
>>
>> >
>onClick="top.mainFrameSet.main.document.frmAddItem.Image.value=#subDir##name
>> #;">#name#
>>
>> The problem is the path & name values are not getting passed to the field
>> name "Image". I'm not getting any javascript errors, but it does not work.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Stan Winchester
>>
>> 
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RE: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?

[Joe Eugene]

> http://www.mach-ii.com/

Interesting.. didnt know Hal Helms and group were working on another
Framework Project.

> Interesting... looks a lot like Mach II (nee Fusebox MX).
I havent looked deep into Fusebox MX, its still in beta. Honestly,
didnt quite understand the whole idea of Circuits/Parsed files etc.

I would rather just use a base Controller/Parser and multiple
Controller helpers.. alot like Jakarta Struts.. Minus some of
the Complexity in Struts.

Joe Eugene


> -Original Message-
> From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 6:24 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
>
>
> Interesting... looks a lot like Mach II (nee Fusebox MX). See
> http://www.mach-ii.com/
>
> On Monday, Jul 14, 2003, at 15:01 US/Pacific, Joe Eugene wrote:
>
> > I have used alot of Concepts from Jakarta Structs as MVC for recent
> > application.
> > It worked very well, with a very high level of code management.
> > Begining
> > with
> > file structure
> >
> > index.cfm is the only exposed page of the applicaiton.
> > application.xml for application level control/instantiation
> >
> > system/model/data -- contains data objects
> > system/model/logic -- logic controls
> > system/model/validator -- validation controls for forms etc
> >
> > system/controller -- controller files
> > system/view -- all view sub-components or pages.
> >
> > controller.xml for flow control and method execution mappings..
> > similar to
> > whats
> > done in Jakarta Struts except ...*.cfc used here. All method mappings
> > are
> > executed
> > dynamically and variables in the xml mapping get the result or set
> > values in
> > variables scope. View Components do NOT touch high level scope
> > variables
> > like
> > client/session/application.
> >
> > I have been quite happy with the Model.. Once the model is written..
> > all you
> > do is
> > write your data layer methods and view pages.. and you are done.. The
> > controller does
> > the rest of the job.
> >
> >> Ease of development and organization
> > Heavy resistance from other CF Developers at first.. but then some
> > started
> > to realize
> > the benefits... Others are hung on the Fusebox 3 Case Style.
> >
> > If you are really excited about developing some class applications and
> > tight
> > coding... it becomes very hard
> > to work with developers who arent looking to improve.. but just get the
> > project done...
> >
> > Joe Eugene
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Smith, Don , CTR , WHS/PSD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:50 PM
> > Subject: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
> >
> >
> >> Is anyone using Jakarta Struts for CFMX and can they comment toward
> >> its
> > use?
> >>
> >> I am looking for a published development framework that would be
> >> flexible
> >> enough for development in, plus allow our team to investigate new
> >> technologies outside of CFMX -I like what I read of Struts'
> >> integration of
> >> Java technology but I haven't implemented it yet.
> >>
> >> I'm working with some staff for whom integration of existing Java
> > libraries
> >> would be a stretch and others who could handle it easily, but it would
> >> require ramp-up time and
> >> education.
> >>
> >> I am hoping to find a framework that would allow me to point new
> > developers
> >> to existing materials so I would not have to write up an entire "code
> >> like
> > I
> >> do" book.  I am also hoping that it would add something on top of
> >> CFMX and
> >> not merely reorganize CFMX without adding anything.
> >>
> >> How was your:
> >> Ease of development and organization
> >> Integration with Java for non-Java programmers
> >> Success rate in getting users to adapt
> >>
> >> THANKS!
> >>
> >> Don
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
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RE: Perfect Hardware Arrangement? Perhaps OT?

[Dave Watts]

> My question has to do with the theories behind separating 
> the web server from the database server. As I write up 
> this proposal, should I recommend a separate server for 
> each? What is the rationale? I presume it has to do with 
> the relatively poor security of a web server vs the much 
> improved security of a database server? (note: WIN2K 
> Server/SQL Server)

Yes, you should recommend separate servers for each. There are many reasons
for this, as others have mentioned. Security is a big one; not so much
because a database server is inherently more secure than a web server (each
is only as secure as you make it), but rather because you needn't expose the
database server to external access at all - it only needs to be accessible
from the web server, as well as any legitimate users within the firewall.

Performance is another big issue, especially on Windows; most significant
services require a dedicated Windows machine. Finally, stability is an
issue; like it or not, web servers tend to be less stable than database
servers, and you want to avoid stability problems on your database server -
it might be a little more susceptible to problems if it's unstable than a
web server would be.

> Does protocol dictate the creation of a user account 
> specifically for the CF server to establish a secure 
> connection to the DB Server?

This is more a matter of how database servers work than the fact that you
want to run them on separate machines. Typically, database servers require
logins, while file-based databases like Access often do not. A single SQL
Server may contain many individual databases, and each may have its own
logins. So, you might not end up with a single SQL login specifically for
your database, but might end up with one per datasource instead. As for the
security of the connection between the web server and the database, that's
more a matter of encrypting the connection than one concerning specific
logins - every login will require authentication regardless of whether you
encrypt the connection.

> Will the separation prohibit me from using things like 
> FileExists?

You won't be able to use it to test for the existence of files on the
database server. However, you won't need to, typically. Keep in mind that
SQL Server databases are quite a bit different from Access databases - when
you use SQL Server, you don't deal with files directly at all.

> Will I need Administrative rights on BOTH machines?
 
Only if you'll be completely responsible for both machines. If you have a
DBA, she'll be able to create databases and logins for you, and allot the
necessary rights to you for specific SQL logins. In that case, you may have
no actual OS rights to the database server at all!

> You see, managment is concerned that if I leave the company 
> they will be left high and dry with a "non-standard" ColdFusion 
> environment. My argument is that CF is so intuitive that finding 
> a person capable of maintaining a CF application will probably 
> be easier than a comparable ASP or PHP approach. Am I off base?

No, I think that's a pretty safe bet. However, one of the nice things about
client-server systems like CF & SQL Server is that, even if down the road
they decide they'd like to port the whole thing to ASP.NET or whatever, they
can do that without changing their database structure. If you spend the time
to encapsulate your database logic in stored procedures, building multiple
interfaces is even easier. So, that gives you two angles to play - you can
argue that CF is easier, but that you're not backed into a corner if you
change your mind later. Admittedly, you might have a decent amount of
business logic wrapped up in your CF code, so it might not be a trivial
thing to do, but it'll certainly be possible.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
phone: 202-797-5496
fax: 202-797-5444


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RE: Perfect Hardware Arrangement? Perhaps OT?

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Claremont [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 9:24 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Perfect Hardware Arrangement? Perhaps OT?
> 
> Thanks for the response. The reason for my FileExists question is because
> I am under the impression that FileExists works only on your local box. If
> I separate things then the applications I have used FileExists on will not
> work correctly because the files I am checking for will be on a different
> box. In re-reading my original post I can see where the statement seemed
> obscure!

If CF is run under a user account (which has rights for the resource) then
you can use UNC paths or mapped drives  with FileExists() to check other
machines.

> Also, I agree with your assessments, but needed some reinforcement that I
> am heading in the right direction. I need a third party objective opinion
> to round out my research.

That'll be hard to find... everybody has some bias.  For example my company
went to IBM consulting services to get an "unbiased, objective" opinion of
their needs.  The results?  IBM WebSphere on IBM AIX. ;^)

At the same time however with the release of CFMX for WebSphere IBM has some
very nice things to say about CF:

htAQAA/www-3.ibm.com/software/webservers/coldfusionmx/

Jim Davis


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Re: iframe & form javascript

[Tim Heald]

First thing I would do would be to change the field name to something other
than Image.  IMage is an object in js and that may be a cause for your
problem.  Even if you just try changing all refrences to it to img or
imgField or something.

Tim
- Original Message -
From: "Stan Winchester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 10:38 PM
Subject: iframe & form javascript


> I've got a form with two nested iframes that are side-by-side. The one of
> the left shows a directory listing of images, the one on the right is an
> image viewer. Below is the link that is used in the left iframe (this is
> inside a cfloop). When a user clicks on the link the image views properly,
> but I also want the image path & name values to be passed to a form field
> name "Image" that resides the form.
>
> 
onClick="top.mainFrameSet.main.document.frmAddItem.Image.value=#subDir##name
> #;">#name#
>
> The problem is the path & name values are not getting passed to the field
> name "Image". I'm not getting any javascript errors, but it does not work.
>
> Thank you,
> Stan Winchester
>
> 
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iframe & form javascript

[Stan Winchester]

I've got a form with two nested iframes that are side-by-side. The one of
the left shows a directory listing of images, the one on the right is an
image viewer. Below is the link that is used in the left iframe (this is
inside a cfloop). When a user clicks on the link the image views properly,
but I also want the image path & name values to be passed to a form field
name "Image" that resides the form.

#name#

The problem is the path & name values are not getting passed to the field
name "Image". I'm not getting any javascript errors, but it does not work.

Thank you,
Stan Winchester

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Perfect Hardware Arrangement? Perhaps OT?

[Tim Claremont]

My inclination to go with two servers also has to do with the fact that the IT 
department wants to "own" the data, and they don't want a brand new employee like me 
having admin access, etc. etc.

They also say that they WILL allow me to run an IIS/CF server, but it will be 
unsupported by them. Hence, I am trying to appease both camps by keeping the 
"non-standard" IIS/CF server on one box and highly valuable data itself on the 
"supported and politically correct" other server.

With the split approach I think I can satisfy virtually every possible objection they 
may have to my proposal.

As you all know, the technical work is easy compared to the beareaucratic hurdles you 
have to jump through.

Bottom line, I am trying to make a bulletproof proposal that satisfies both data 
demands AND policy demands. Such is life as a developer. 
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RE: Perfect Hardware Arrangement? Perhaps OT?

[Matt Robertson]

As Tony pointed out you can run both on one system without any trouble;
especially on a small business intranet (I assume we're talking small
given Access being the db backbone).

If the budget is there, by all means go for two servers.

And speaking of budget, if that's an issue consider using mySQL.  Couple
that to a graphical front end like mysqlfront or sqlyog and arguably you
have everything a small business intranet would need for thousands of
dollars less, thanks to the lack of db licensing costs.


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RE: approaching clients of (former) employer

[Matt Robertson]

You had a relationship with Company A

Company A had a relationship with Company B

You have no relationship with Company B, unless you signed your life
away somewhere to do your bits of work with them.  If Company A promised
non-compete it isn't binding on you as you were not a party to the
agreement, and your original agreement carried no stipulations regarding
non-compete.  Any that existed implicitly evaporated with Company A's
demise, and only pertained to Company A in any event.

As always, if you want anything more than homespun advice from
uninformed knuckleheads get ask a lawyer (er... solicitor) who works in
this specific field.


 Matt Robertson   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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-Original Message-
From: Gyrus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 10:43 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: approaching clients of (former) employer


Hi,

Just wondered if any of the people here a bit wiser to the ways of the 
industry and legal matters could give us their opinion on a slightly
sticky 
situation that's cropped up for us. We'd really appreciate any advice.
I'll 
say upfront that we're UK-based, so I'm not sure if any legal issues are

UK-specific.

The short version of the long story is that myself and a friend, who
offer 
our freelance web services under the name Tengai, used to do a lot of
work 
as sub-contractors for (let's say) Company A. The work (all based on 
ColdFusion) was all done without any written contracts, and all seemed
well 
until (don't sneer!) they went belly up owing us money.

Their client list was bought by (let's say) Company B. We vaguely 
considered leaping in and trying to poach the clients in the transfer,
but 
accepted that despite there being no written contracts, it was
unethical, 
and played the game. We met with Company B, they seemed a bit more 
organised than Company A, and said that while their own in-house stuff
was 
all based on ASP and MS technologies, they'd probably continue the 
relationship with us as sub-contractors to do the CF work.

We did a few little jobs through them in the first months, but near the 
beginning of this year everything went quiet. As far as we were aware,
the 
clients were just backing away from the hiked-up prices that Company B
were 
putting through to them.

So recently, with times being tough, we've come back round to idea of 
approaching these clients directly. We've not had any work from Company
B 
for nearly 6 months, so we see the sub-contractor relationship as 
effectively lapsed.

However, we decide to be upfront and honest about it, and inform Company
B 
of our intentions. They come back and let us know that we shouldn't 
approach these companies as they're now valuable clients of theirs
and... 
wouldn't you know it... they're in the process of persuading them to 
migrate to ASP and MS-based technologies.

Of course, they think we're being unethical. Even though they concede
that 
they don't really have work for us, they say we're using information 
(contact info for the clients) that is priveleged and binds us to the 
sub-contractor relationship. To us, though, we would have this
information, 
having been the cornerstones of all the work done for the clients via 
Company A during 2000 - 2002. Company B surely can't hold us to a 
sub-contractor relationship when they're not giving us any work, and
don't 
pretend to have any for us now - especially since there's never been 
anything but verbal agreements.

In our view, they've been less than ethical in giving the impression of
an 
on-going relationship, of us doing their new CF-based clients'
development 
work, but - without telling us - pushing them towards their own ASP 
environment.

Naturally the client should get what's best for them and not be the
victim 
(again) of their developers mucking them around (as Company A did).
We're 
fine with these clients deciding they're best with Company B, we just
think 
that all the cards should be on the table. Only, Company B have said
that 
if we approach any clients and any of them decide to go with us, they'll

take legal advice.

Has anyone been in this situation or something similar? Any views?

many thanks,

Gyrus
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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work: http://tengai.co.uk/
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Perfect Hardware Arrangement? Perhaps OT?

[Tim Claremont]

Thanks for the response. The reason for my FileExists question is because I am under 
the impression that FileExists works only on your local box. If I separate things then 
the applications I have used FileExists on will not work correctly because the files I 
am checking for will be on a different box. In re-reading my original post I can see 
where the statement seemed obscure!

Also, I agree with your assessments, but needed some reinforcement that I am heading 
in the right direction. I need a third party objective opinion to round out my 
research.
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RE: Perfect Hardware Arrangement? Perhaps OT?

[Tony Weeg]

starter.

2 servers

1 cfmx and 1 mssql 2000 adv. server

cf as a developer base is VERY strong from what i can tell.  macromedia
is really supporting, developing and continuing to grow what most on
here
eat, sleep and dream!!  believe you me...you can tell your bosses to
frequent
this list, and many others, that contain the sharpest cf minds in the
world.

this group especially here on cftalk is hands down, the creme de la
creme.

just one more thing, there are plenty of cf'ers on here that will gladly
take over that contract...dont you worry about that one friend.

i think the best cf sales presentation is simply a roll call of some
flagships:



1. victoriassecret.com
2. bankofamerica.com

and many more here...

http://www.forta.com/cf/using/



1. bankofamerica.com

and many more here...

http://www.forta.com/cf/using/



if the server is intranet only, and not for use
outside your local network, then its not a security
reason really...just more of a layout issue...you dont
want a single point of failure...first of all.  secondly
if you can only have 2 machines, then separate them...it wont
kill you though to have both on the same machine, my laptop
with 512mb ram and only 813mhz p3, with sql server 2000, cfmx red
sky beta, and a host of apps running on it...does fine, and
serves up pages very fast...so, you can have both on one machine
its just "nicer" that they be separate...

there are myriad options when it comes to the network/server layout 
that would work here...its a budgetary more than anything, i could
dream up a nice cfmx/mssql/iis configuration that would be well over 20k
but, i could also do it with a refurbed laptop, that i happen to have
now, for a small bit of cash...so, what i was trying to get at...its
all about the benji's!!

good luck...and if you decide to leave or give up the contract :) jk

tony

-Original Message-
From: Claremont, Timothy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 8:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Perfect Hardware Arrangement? Perhaps OT?


My employer currently has the typical data management scenario of six or
seven Access databases that don't talk to each other, etc. etc. etc. You
all know the drill!
 
I am in the midst of drawing up a proposal that involves moving all of
the data to a truly relational SQL Server environment. I will then
develop the user interface in ColdFusion. Note this is strictly an
intranet application.
 
My question has to do with the theories behind separating the web server
from the database server. As I write up this proposal, should I
recommend a separate server for each? What is the rationale? I presume
it has to do with the relatively poor security of a web server vs the
much improved security of a database server? (note: WIN2K Server/SQL
Server)
 
All of my ColdFusion development to date has been with the database on
the web sever. What connectivity issues am I facing with a separation?
Does protocol dictate the creation of a user account specifically for
the CF server to establish a secure connection to the DB Server? Will
the separation prohibit me from using things like FileExists? Will I
need Administrative rights on BOTH machines?
 
Also, can someone direct me to an write up about ColdFusion that is
directed toward non-technical people? I need to "sell" ColdFusion to
management and want to read some other people's "explanations" to round
out my sales pitch.
 
You see, managment is concerned that if I leave the company they will be
left high and dry with a "non-standard" ColdFusion environment. My
argument is that CF is so intuitive that finding a person capable of
maintaining a CF application will probably be easier than a comparable
ASP or PHP approach. Am I off base?
 
If you are of the opinion that this type of subject matter is out of the
scope of this list, please feel free to correspond via email if you feel
you want to help me understand this.
 
Thanks in advance
 
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RE: Perfect Hardware Arrangement? Perhaps OT?

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Claremont, Timothy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 8:45 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Perfect Hardware Arrangement? Perhaps OT?
> 
> My employer currently has the typical data management scenario of six or
> seven Access databases that don't talk to each other, etc. etc. etc. You
> all know the drill!
> 
> I am in the midst of drawing up a proposal that involves moving all of the
> data to a truly relational SQL Server environment. I will then develop the
> user interface in ColdFusion. Note this is strictly an intranet
> application.
> 
> My question has to do with the theories behind separating the web server
> from the database server. As I write up this proposal, should I recommend
> a separate server for each? What is the rationale? I presume it has to do
> with the relatively poor security of a web server vs the much improved
> security of a database server? (note: WIN2K Server/SQL Server)

Often it's security and access: in most companies separate teams manage the
DB server than manage the Web servers.  Also data, being more valuable, is
often protected by stricter firewalls and physical access policies.

However in a practical sense there's a lot more that that.  Off th top of my
head:

1) Performance.  It's a huge issue.  Both SQL Server (or any enterprise DB)
and CF are "king of the hill" apps: they expect to be "top dog" on the box.
They suck up resources fast and are slow to release them.

2) Scalability.  It's much harder to scale applications when all the
components are on a single box.  With separation you get freedom: you can
add another web server or upgrade the one you have without touching the DB
for example.

3) Applicability.  A companies data is valuable to many people, in many
ways.  A database may be accessed by a web front end, custom client-side
tools, reporting software, etc.  In general you should not tie your DB to
specific interfaces.
 
> All of my ColdFusion development to date has been with the database on the
> web sever. What connectivity issues am I facing with a separation? Does
> protocol dictate the creation of a user account specifically for the CF
> server to establish a secure connection to the DB Server? Will the
> separation prohibit me from using things like FileExists? Will I need
> Administrative rights on BOTH machines?

You'll not be facing any serious issues.  You can create a user account for
the CF box (this will allow you to better manage access and diagnose
problems) or you can not (I think you should, but there's no technical
reason you have to).

I'm not sure how "FileExists()" comes into things?  It will still work on
the web server box of course.

Administrative rights are more a question for your organization.  AN
administrator (it doesn't have to be YOU -- unless it does have to be you)
needs to configure both boxes.  For SQL Server this means setting up
security permissions and managing things like logs and such.

You could set it up so that your CF user has complete control or you can
just leave open a small window for selecting data - the specifics are up to
you. 

> Also, can someone direct me to an write up about ColdFusion that is
> directed toward non-technical people? I need to "sell" ColdFusion to
> management and want to read some other people's "explanations" to round
> out my sales pitch.

If I ever CFAdvocacy.org of the ground you'd have it... ah well.

You should check Macromedia.com first - they have some of this information.
If you like I would also be happy to act as a "reference" for
CF-with-SQL-server (I work for a very large company).  I'm sure several
others on the list would also be happy to as well.  Contact me off list if
you'd like my contact information.

> You see, managment is concerned that if I leave the company they will be
> left high and dry with a "non-standard" ColdFusion environment. My
> argument is that CF is so intuitive that finding a person capable of
> maintaining a CF application will probably be easier than a comparable ASP
> or PHP approach. Am I off base?

Not at all.  There is a thriving CF market and plenty of people to hire.
 
> If you are of the opinion that this type of subject matter is out of the
> scope of this list, please feel free to correspond via email if you feel
> you want to help me understand this.

I personally don't think it is... but I've been wrong in the past.  ;^)

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Perfect Hardware Arrangement? Perhaps OT?

[Claremont, Timothy]

My employer currently has the typical data management scenario of six or seven Access 
databases that don't talk to each other, etc. etc. etc. You all know the drill!
 
I am in the midst of drawing up a proposal that involves moving all of the data to a 
truly relational SQL Server environment. I will then develop the user interface in 
ColdFusion. Note this is strictly an intranet application.
 
My question has to do with the theories behind separating the web server from the 
database server. As I write up this proposal, should I recommend a separate server for 
each? What is the rationale? I presume it has to do with the relatively poor security 
of a web server vs the much improved security of a database server? (note: WIN2K 
Server/SQL Server)
 
All of my ColdFusion development to date has been with the database on the web sever. 
What connectivity issues am I facing with a separation? Does protocol dictate the 
creation of a user account specifically for the CF server to establish a secure 
connection to the DB Server? Will the separation prohibit me from using things like 
FileExists? Will I need Administrative rights on BOTH machines?
 
Also, can someone direct me to an write up about ColdFusion that is directed toward 
non-technical people? I need to "sell" ColdFusion to management and want to read some 
other people's "explanations" to round out my sales pitch.
 
You see, managment is concerned that if I leave the company they will be left high and 
dry with a "non-standard" ColdFusion environment. My argument is that CF is so 
intuitive that finding a person capable of maintaining a CF application will probably 
be easier than a comparable ASP or PHP approach. Am I off base?
 
If you are of the opinion that this type of subject matter is out of the scope of this 
list, please feel free to correspond via email if you feel you want to help me 
understand this.
 
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easy cfc question :)

[Tony Weeg]

why is my page just stopping all cf parsing, at this point?
its not getting to the cflocation tag?  strange huh? maybe an
inherent "cant do" with cfcs?

thanks for any help!!

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Re: cfexecute problems

[fred fred]

Tim Do <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hi All,

I'm trying to use the cfexecute tag to run an exe file.. but not having any
luck.

Here is what I have:
 " 
timeout = "5"> 


I'm getting this error returned (happens no matter how long I set the
timeout to be)
Timeout period expired without completion of
\\dev\wwwroot\InSite\LaborEXE\Labor.exe


So I try this:

timeout = "2"> 

I get this error:


An exception occurred when invoking an external process. 

The cause of this exception was that: java.io.IOException: CreateProcess:
E:\inetpub\wwwroot\InSite\LaborEXE\Labor.exe error=3. 

Please help!
running win2k/mx

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Re: Refresh application-scoped variables

[fred fred]

 
Christian Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The theory is that the general public wouldn't know that 
adding "flushinit=true" to your query string would reinitialize your 
app.
 
 
Yes, security through obscurity is a higly recommended approach with many software 
vendors.  


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cfexecute problems

[Tim Do]

Hi All,
 
I'm trying to use the cfexecute tag to run an exe file.. but not having any
luck.
 
Here is what I have:
   
 
 
I'm getting this error returned (happens no matter how long I set the
timeout to be)
Timeout period expired without completion of
\\dev\wwwroot\InSite\LaborEXE\Labor.exe
  
 
So I try this:
 

  
I get this error:


An exception occurred when invoking an external process. 

The cause of this exception was that: java.io.IOException: CreateProcess:
E:\inetpub\wwwroot\InSite\LaborEXE\Labor.exe error=3.   
 
Please help!
running win2k/mx
 
Thanks!
 
 

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RE: HTTP response header from web server

[Dave Watts]

> I'm working with a flash movie that is directing me to the 
> wrong page when I click on it. I can't figure out why. The 
> flash designer tells me there is nothing wrong with the 
> flash file, yet things work when I use a simple text link 
> and  tag.
> 
> How do I capture the response headers from the web server 
> so I can evaluate what the difference is between my functional 
> text response versus the misbehaving flash response? Is there
> a browser or plugin that works with flash that will display 
> the headers after I click on the flash movie?

You can use a packet sniffer to see what's going on:

http://www.ethereal.com/
http://www.effetech.com/
... and many others.

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RE: [Second Try] COM CFObject Question

[Dave Watts]

> I have a quick COM/cfobject question that I hope someone 
> could help me with. I am trying to impliment the following 
> function:
> 
> s.ClientProperty("ServerHTTPRequest") = true;
> 
> But CF (4.5) is complaining about the left hand operand 
> being a function. Is there any other way that I can perform 
> this assignment?

These are just shots in the dark. Try any, and see if they work:





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RE: CFAbort in CFScript?

[Dave Watts]

> I know CFAbort is a tag, and tags can't be used in cfscript.

In general, nearly any CFML tag can now be used within CFSCRIPT, if you're
willing to write a wrapper for it using CFFUNCTION.

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RE: CFAbort in CFScript?

[Raymond Camden]

You can write a UDF to mimic cfabort. You can find one at cflib.org.


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> -Original Message-
> From: Shawn Grover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 4:45 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: CFAbort in CFScript?
> 
> 
> I think this is a stupid question, but is there any way to 
> end processing of a CF page from within CFScript similar to a CFAbort.
> 
> I know CFAbort is a tag, and tags can't be used in cfscript.  
> However, there have been so many other improvements to CF 
> with the MX release that I wouldn't be surprised if there is 
> a method to do this.  Thus far, I have not found a way to do 
> so, which means I have to set an abort flag within the 
> cfscript block, then check this flag and abort when I close 
> the block.  This isn't too much of a problem to do, but I'm 
> curious if there's a way to put the exit command where it 
> makes the most sense.  
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CFAbort in CFScript?

[Shawn Grover]

I think this is a stupid question, but is there any way to end processing of
a CF page from within CFScript similar to a CFAbort.

I know CFAbort is a tag, and tags can't be used in cfscript.  However, there
have been so many other improvements to CF with the MX release that I
wouldn't be surprised if there is a method to do this.  Thus far, I have not
found a way to do so, which means I have to set an abort flag within the
cfscript block, then check this flag and abort when I close the block.  This
isn't too much of a problem to do, but I'm curious if there's a way to put
the exit command where it makes the most sense.  

Thanks for any responses.

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Re: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?

[Sean A Corfield]

Interesting... looks a lot like Mach II (nee Fusebox MX). See  
http://www.mach-ii.com/

On Monday, Jul 14, 2003, at 15:01 US/Pacific, Joe Eugene wrote:

> I have used alot of Concepts from Jakarta Structs as MVC for recent
> application.
> It worked very well, with a very high level of code management.  
> Begining
> with
> file structure
>
> index.cfm is the only exposed page of the applicaiton.
> application.xml for application level control/instantiation
>
> system/model/data -- contains data objects
> system/model/logic -- logic controls
> system/model/validator -- validation controls for forms etc
>
> system/controller -- controller files
> system/view -- all view sub-components or pages.
>
> controller.xml for flow control and method execution mappings..  
> similar to
> whats
> done in Jakarta Struts except ...*.cfc used here. All method mappings  
> are
> executed
> dynamically and variables in the xml mapping get the result or set  
> values in
> variables scope. View Components do NOT touch high level scope  
> variables
> like
> client/session/application.
>
> I have been quite happy with the Model.. Once the model is written..  
> all you
> do is
> write your data layer methods and view pages.. and you are done.. The
> controller does
> the rest of the job.
>
>> Ease of development and organization
> Heavy resistance from other CF Developers at first.. but then some  
> started
> to realize
> the benefits... Others are hung on the Fusebox 3 Case Style.
>
> If you are really excited about developing some class applications and  
> tight
> coding... it becomes very hard
> to work with developers who arent looking to improve.. but just get the
> project done...
>
> Joe Eugene
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Smith, Don , CTR , WHS/PSD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:50 PM
> Subject: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
>
>
>> Is anyone using Jakarta Struts for CFMX and can they comment toward  
>> its
> use?
>>
>> I am looking for a published development framework that would be  
>> flexible
>> enough for development in, plus allow our team to investigate new
>> technologies outside of CFMX -I like what I read of Struts'  
>> integration of
>> Java technology but I haven't implemented it yet.
>>
>> I'm working with some staff for whom integration of existing Java
> libraries
>> would be a stretch and others who could handle it easily, but it would
>> require ramp-up time and
>> education.
>>
>> I am hoping to find a framework that would allow me to point new
> developers
>> to existing materials so I would not have to write up an entire "code  
>> like
> I
>> do" book.  I am also hoping that it would add something on top of  
>> CFMX and
>> not merely reorganize CFMX without adding anything.
>>
>> How was your:
>> Ease of development and organization
>> Integration with Java for non-Java programmers
>> Success rate in getting users to adapt
>>
>> THANKS!
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
> 
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Re: Dynamic CFC function call

[Joe Eugene]

CV> I'm trying to pass a function name via a URL and then call that
function. I

Arent you exposing your CFC/Method Name by doing the above...
Perhaps a better way is to use a facade and have mappings to whatever your
need
to call via action params.

Joe Eugene

- Original Message - 
From: "Cedric Villat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 5:49 PM
Subject: Dynamic CFC function call


> Jon, Raymond,
>
> Thanks for the tip. I'll modify the cfc to do this.
>
> Cedric
>
> >Why not have the function logic in the cfc as well?
> >
> >mycfc.execute(url.function)
> >
> >where execute() looks at the value pass, executes the necessary method
> >and returns back the result.
> >
> >Maybe it's just me, but mycfc.#url.function#(); would seem to be the
> >antithesis of self-documenting...
> >
> >-- 
> > jon
> > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >Monday, July 14, 2003, 5:32:53 PM, you wrote:
> >CV> I'm trying to pass a function name via a URL and then call that
function. I
> >CV> want to do something like this (Assuming mycfc has been created
already):
> >
> >CV> 
> >CV> mycfc.#url.function#();
> >CV> 
> >
> >CV> Any idea how I can do this? I am getting an error because of the #'s.
> >CV> Anyone?
> >
> >CV> Cedric
> >CV>
> 
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Re: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?

[Joe Eugene]

I have used alot of Concepts from Jakarta Structs as MVC for recent
application.
It worked very well, with a very high level of code management. Begining
with
file structure

index.cfm is the only exposed page of the applicaiton.
application.xml for application level control/instantiation

system/model/data -- contains data objects
system/model/logic -- logic controls
system/model/validator -- validation controls for forms etc

system/controller -- controller files
system/view -- all view sub-components or pages.

controller.xml for flow control and method execution mappings.. similar to
whats
done in Jakarta Struts except ...*.cfc used here. All method mappings are
executed
dynamically and variables in the xml mapping get the result or set values in
variables scope. View Components do NOT touch high level scope variables
like
client/session/application.

I have been quite happy with the Model.. Once the model is written.. all you
do is
write your data layer methods and view pages.. and you are done.. The
controller does
the rest of the job.

> Ease of development and organization
Heavy resistance from other CF Developers at first.. but then some started
to realize
the benefits... Others are hung on the Fusebox 3 Case Style.

If you are really excited about developing some class applications and tight
coding... it becomes very hard
to work with developers who arent looking to improve.. but just get the
project done...

Joe Eugene

- Original Message - 
From: "Smith, Don , CTR , WHS/PSD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:50 PM
Subject: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?


> Is anyone using Jakarta Struts for CFMX and can they comment toward its
use?
>
> I am looking for a published development framework that would be flexible
> enough for development in, plus allow our team to investigate new
> technologies outside of CFMX -I like what I read of Struts' integration of
> Java technology but I haven't implemented it yet.
>
> I'm working with some staff for whom integration of existing Java
libraries
> would be a stretch and others who could handle it easily, but it would
> require ramp-up time and
> education.
>
> I am hoping to find a framework that would allow me to point new
developers
> to existing materials so I would not have to write up an entire "code like
I
> do" book.  I am also hoping that it would add something on top of CFMX and
> not merely reorganize CFMX without adding anything.
>
> How was your:
> Ease of development and organization
> Integration with Java for non-Java programmers
> Success rate in getting users to adapt
>
> THANKS!
>
> Don
>
> 
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OT - Authorware

[Jillian Carroll]

Is anybody out there an Authorware guru?  If so, please e-mail me off
list... I'd love to ask a few questions about integrating with CF.
 
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Dynamic CFC function call

[Cedric Villat]

Jon, Raymond,

Thanks for the tip. I'll modify the cfc to do this.

Cedric

>Why not have the function logic in the cfc as well?
>
>mycfc.execute(url.function)
>
>where execute() looks at the value pass, executes the necessary method
>and returns back the result.
>
>Maybe it's just me, but mycfc.#url.function#(); would seem to be the
>antithesis of self-documenting...
>
>-- 
> jon
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Monday, July 14, 2003, 5:32:53 PM, you wrote:
>CV> I'm trying to pass a function name via a URL and then call that function. I
>CV> want to do something like this (Assuming mycfc has been created already):
>
>CV> 
>CV> mycfc.#url.function#();
>CV> 
>
>CV> Any idea how I can do this? I am getting an error because of the #'s.
>CV> Anyone?
>
>CV> Cedric
>CV> 
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Re: CFMX MAIL

[Matt Robertson]

>
> Hey, there is no email body here!
>

The zero-byte problem is a .cfmail file with a total file length of zero, not a body 
of zero.  Are you saying an empty message body triggers a zero-length .cfmail file?

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RE: Dynamic CFC function call

[Raymond Camden]

Just be careful. When mycfc calls url.function, it will call it as an
"insider", so you would be able to call methods even if access=private.
If you do this, I'd suggest using metadata to check the function access,
or perhaps only allowing people to call functions that begin with api,
ie

mycfc.execute("apiYourMamaWearsCombatBoots");


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> -Original Message-
> From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:38 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Dynamic CFC function call
> 
> 
> Why not have the function logic in the cfc as well?
> 
> mycfc.execute(url.function)
> 
> where execute() looks at the value pass, executes the 
> necessary method and returns back the result.
> 
> Maybe it's just me, but mycfc.#url.function#(); would seem to 
> be the antithesis of self-documenting...
> 
> -- 
>  jon
>  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Monday, July 14, 2003, 5:32:53 PM, you wrote:
> CV> I'm trying to pass a function name via a URL and then call that 
> CV> function. I want to do something like this (Assuming 
> mycfc has been 
> CV> created already):
> 
> CV> 
> CV> mycfc.#url.function#();
> CV> 
> 
> CV> Any idea how I can do this? I am getting an error because of the 
> CV> #'s. Anyone?
> 
> CV> Cedric
> CV> 
> 
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Re: Dynamic CFC function call

[jon hall]

Why not have the function logic in the cfc as well?

mycfc.execute(url.function)

where execute() looks at the value pass, executes the necessary method
and returns back the result.

Maybe it's just me, but mycfc.#url.function#(); would seem to be the
antithesis of self-documenting...

-- 
 jon
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Monday, July 14, 2003, 5:32:53 PM, you wrote:
CV> I'm trying to pass a function name via a URL and then call that function. I
CV> want to do something like this (Assuming mycfc has been created already):

CV> 
CV> mycfc.#url.function#();
CV> 

CV> Any idea how I can do this? I am getting an error because of the #'s.
CV> Anyone?

CV> Cedric
CV> 
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Re: Dynamic CFC function call

[Sean A Corfield]

On Monday, Jul 14, 2003, at 14:32 US/Pacific, Cedric Villat wrote:
> I'm trying to pass a function name via a URL and then call that 
> function. I
> want to do something like this (Assuming mycfc has been created 
> already):
>
> 
> mycfc.#url.function#();
> 

Try:
theFunc = mycfc[url.function];
theFunc();

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RE: video formats & streaming

[Michael C. Jackson]

Depends on what sort of bandwidth you are expecting, and if you
absolutely need to prevent someone from downloading the stream.

The latter is virtually impossible with most formats - MPEG, QuickTime
.MOV's, and even RM in some applications are generally downloadable.
Given enough effort, almost any of them are, but those are the easiest.

I know a lot of people have had luck using the flash communications
server for applications that are bandwidth intensive, and I believe -
although I am not 100% sure - that you can't just mine the browser cache
and snag the video from there.

Of course, that's an entirely different budget than using real server or
simply embedding an mpeg.

The simple fact is that you probably aren't going to find some sort of
un-downloadable video format that does not require specific server
software, or some specific plug-in for the client side.

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-Original Message-
From: Ihrig Paul E Cont 88 ABW/EM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 05:12 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: ot: video formats & streaming


just curious what you guys use to stream video?

right now i have a ton of *.rm clips
i have converted them to mpeg, but wound up bloating the size a bit.

not sure if i should run a real server for streaming 
or if there is a way to let a viewer watch a mpeg with out them being
able to down load it.

any code samples for what you use would be sweet.
thanks

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Re: CFMX MAIL

[Brook Davies]

 Hey, there is no email body here!



At 05:28 PM 7/14/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Doug,
>
>How would one trap the zero-byte problem when generating a cfmail?
>
>Cedric
>
> >Zero Byte mail still is a problem.  You must build in error traps to 
> catch these
> >before adding them to the mail queue.  As for throughput, your bandwidth is
> >going to play a large part in transmitting that much email 
> volume.  Secondary
> >will be the mail server capabilities.
> >
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> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Lonny Eckert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 4:03 PM
> >Subject: CFMX MAIL
> >
> >
> >| We are looking to come up with a better solution in regards to Version 
> 5 of
> >CFMAIL. I've done some researching out of the archives and noted that 
> using a
> >different mail server and writing emails via CFFILE was a solution 
> suggested by
> >serveral people. I understand that CFMAIL is based on the JAVA API.
> >|
> >| We would like to achieve a throughput of 10-15 k messages per hour. We can
> >upgrade to MX. It will be a dedicated machine (probably a PIII but not 
> certain
> >of which machine will be rebuilt with MX at this time). I tried finding some
> >performance info at the Macromedia site on the MX mail tag but didnt run 
> across
> >anything.
> >|
> >| What is CFMX capable of straight out of the box in regards to CFMAIL - ie
> >could it achieve my desired throughput? Does the zero-byte email problem 
> still
> >exist in CFMX?
> >|
> >| Thanks in advance.
> >|
> >|
> >| Lonny Eckert
> >| Mi Services Group, Inc.
> >| Work Phone: 610-230-2500 x147
> >| E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >| www.mi-services.com 
> >|
>
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CFMX MAIL

[Cedric Villat]

Doug,

How would one trap the zero-byte problem when generating a cfmail?

Cedric

>Zero Byte mail still is a problem.  You must build in error traps to catch these
>before adding them to the mail queue.  As for throughput, your bandwidth is
>going to play a large part in transmitting that much email volume.  Secondary
>will be the mail server capabilities.
>
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>From: "Lonny Eckert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 4:03 PM
>Subject: CFMX MAIL
>
>
>| We are looking to come up with a better solution in regards to Version 5 of
>CFMAIL. I've done some researching out of the archives and noted that using a
>different mail server and writing emails via CFFILE was a solution suggested by
>serveral people. I understand that CFMAIL is based on the JAVA API.
>|
>| We would like to achieve a throughput of 10-15 k messages per hour. We can
>upgrade to MX. It will be a dedicated machine (probably a PIII but not certain
>of which machine will be rebuilt with MX at this time). I tried finding some
>performance info at the Macromedia site on the MX mail tag but didnt run across
>anything.
>|
>| What is CFMX capable of straight out of the box in regards to CFMAIL - ie
>could it achieve my desired throughput? Does the zero-byte email problem still
>exist in CFMX?
>|
>| Thanks in advance.
>|
>|
>| Lonny Eckert
>| Mi Services Group, Inc.
>| Work Phone: 610-230-2500 x147
>| E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>| www.mi-services.com 
>| 
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Re: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?

[John Paul Ashenfelter]

> Here is an article on using Struts with in CFMX:
>
> http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/struts.html

Yeah, I've seen that. CFCs as a model instead of JavaBeans, EJB, etc and
baking CFML business logic into CFM pages in the View instead of JSP. How is
either of those things a truly useful idea?

And you'd have to work the CF pages really hard to get the benefits of the
inherent Struts framework (eg the validator). Whoopee, I can mix a few cfm
tags into the JSP taglibs I'm already using. And can dig under the covers to
Java from CF to manipulate the stuff that's truly important. Why add the
overhead?

There's not a lot that CF offers that's not already in a taglib now -- not a
knock against CF, just a fact. The only advantage is that it "transitions"
your developers to Java. I'd say take the pain and learn Java -- non-trivial
Struts apps are not easy. Building your own custom tag libs is not real easy
if you don't know Java. Architecting the struts-config takes some work.
Deploying can be a royal pain.

If you want your developers to learn Java, give them the resources and have
them learn Java. If you want to stick with CF, there's FB4 and Mach-II
frameworks in active development. I'm a big fan of the Agile family of
development methodologies and mixing Struts and CFMX seems like a backwards
step for the development process, not a forward one. Having worked on 4
migration projects involving CF programmers transitioning to Struts, I can't
recommend it. Teach them Java and Struts. Or don't use Java on that project.


> I have not used it with in CFMX for J2EE, but just in JRun:
> http://www.macromedia.com/support/jrun/ts/documents/tn18297.htm
> Note: The installation in this article is ok, but the directions for
> the "Simple Struts App" is lacking.
>
>
>
> Tkx,
> Jim
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:57 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
>
>
> Having done a couple Struts projects, you need a couple of good Java folks
> to help wade through implementing Struts. I'd look at Fusebox (3 or 4, not
> MX nee Mach-II) if you're looking for a plug and play framework *for
> ColdFusion*. Struts has many more built in features (eg the validator) but
> is a lot more complicated. For our small CF5 to Struts migration project
> (roughly 30k lines of CF code), the struts-config file was something like
> 2800 lines (of course now you can distribute the Struts config files, but
> not at that time).
>
> If you're using CFMX for J2EE, you could consider doing some apps in
Struts,
> some in CFMX, but I don't see a lot of advantage to mixing them in the
same
> app -- I think it will be pretty complicated and not sure what value it
> gives you.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Paul Ashenfelter
> CTO/TransitionPoint
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Smith, Don , CTR , WHS/PSD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:50 PM
> Subject: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?
>
>
> > Is anyone using Jakarta Struts for CFMX and can they comment toward
> > its
> use?
> >
> > I am looking for a published development framework that would be
> > flexible enough for development in, plus allow our team to investigate
> > new technologies outside of CFMX -I like what I read of Struts'
> > integration of Java technology but I haven't implemented it yet.
> >
> > I'm working with some staff for whom integration of existing Java
> libraries
> > would be a stretch and others who could handle it easily, but it would
> > require ramp-up time and education.
> >
> > I am hoping to find a framework that would allow me to point new
> developers
> > to existing materials so I would not have to write up an entire "code
> > like
> I
> > do" book.  I am also hoping that it would add something on top of CFMX
> > and not merely reorganize CFMX without adding anything.
> >
> > How was your:
> > Ease of development and organization
> > Integration with Java for non-Java programmers
> > Success rate in getting users to adapt
> >
> > THANKS!
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
>
> 
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Dynamic CFC function call

[Cedric Villat]

I'm trying to pass a function name via a URL and then call that function. I
want to do something like this (Assuming mycfc has been created already):


mycfc.#url.function#();


Any idea how I can do this? I am getting an error because of the #'s.
Anyone?

Cedric
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Re: CFMX MAIL

[Doug White]

Zero Byte mail still is a problem.  You must build in error traps to catch these
before adding them to the mail queue.  As for throughput, your bandwidth is
going to play a large part in transmitting that much email volume.  Secondary
will be the mail server capabilities.

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From: "Lonny Eckert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 4:03 PM
Subject: CFMX MAIL


| We are looking to come up with a better solution in regards to Version 5 of
CFMAIL. I've done some researching out of the archives and noted that using a
different mail server and writing emails via CFFILE was a solution suggested by
serveral people. I understand that CFMAIL is based on the JAVA API.
|
| We would like to achieve a throughput of 10-15 k messages per hour. We can
upgrade to MX. It will be a dedicated machine (probably a PIII but not certain
of which machine will be rebuilt with MX at this time). I tried finding some
performance info at the Macromedia site on the MX mail tag but didnt run across
anything.
|
| What is CFMX capable of straight out of the box in regards to CFMAIL - ie
could it achieve my desired throughput? Does the zero-byte email problem still
exist in CFMX?
|
| Thanks in advance.
|
|
| Lonny Eckert
| Mi Services Group, Inc.
| Work Phone: 610-230-2500 x147
| E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| www.mi-services.com 
| 
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ot: video formats & streaming

[Ihrig Paul E Cont 88 ABW/EM]

just curious what you guys use to stream video?

right now i have a ton of *.rm clips
i have converted them to mpeg, but wound up bloating the size a bit.

not sure if i should run a real server for streaming 
or if there is a way to let a viewer watch a mpeg with out them being able to down 
load it.

any code samples for what you use would be sweet.
thanks
-paul
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OT: UPS and CF

[Bryan Stevenson]

Hey All,

I know we have some folks on this list that have some extensive experience
integrating with UPSso hopefully I can get some info.

The big one I'm unsure of at the moment is how to either get the tracking
number of  a package into non-UPS system database (or DB), or give the
e-mail address for the order to UPS (this is in order to send the customer
the tracking number).

Does UPS have some sort of of interface that lets you pass order specific
details through so the customer gets the tracking number via e-mail?

Any insight or time savers would be great (seem to recall someone from
Tropical Web having some lengthy dealings with UPS and a custom CF tag)

TIA

Cheers

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
t. 250.920.8830
e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-
Macromedia Associate Partner
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CFMX MAIL

[Lonny Eckert]

We are looking to come up with a better solution in regards to Version 5 of CFMAIL. 
I've done some researching out of the archives and noted that using a different mail 
server and writing emails via CFFILE was a solution suggested by serveral people. I 
understand that CFMAIL is based on the JAVA API.

We would like to achieve a throughput of 10-15 k messages per hour. We can upgrade to 
MX. It will be a dedicated machine (probably a PIII but not certain of which machine 
will be rebuilt with MX at this time). I tried finding some performance info at the 
Macromedia site on the MX mail tag but didnt run across anything.

What is CFMX capable of straight out of the box in regards to CFMAIL - ie could it 
achieve my desired throughput? Does the zero-byte email problem still exist in CFMX?

Thanks in advance.


Lonny Eckert 
Mi Services Group, Inc. 
Work Phone: 610-230-2500 x147 
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Unknown Exception Conditions

[webmaster]

I see these in the log...on pages that are running just fine and never
reporting an error to an end user.  Can anyone shed some light, point a
direction to research this, figure out what is up?  If there is an error,
why does the page process and keep on trucking?

CF 5 pro on Win2k server, 1 2ghz processor 512MB RAM.

Thanks.

Regards,

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DataStream Connexion
www.datastreamconnexion.com




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[Second Try] COM CFObject Question

[Chris]

Is there any way to assign a value to a function using cf4.5 and cfscript?
Please see original post below.

Thanks,
Chris

>I have a quick COM/cfobject question that I hope someone could help me
>with.  
>I am trying to impliment the following function:
>
>s.ClientProperty("ServerHTTPRequest") = true;
>
>But CF (4.5) is complaining about the left hand operand being a function. 
>Is there any other way that I can perform this assignment?
>
>TIA,
>Chris
>
>

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Re: FireFly vs DRK

[Ryan Mitchell]

Christian... When will firefly (Flash MX DCK) be available on Mac OSX??
The tech specs list only pc compatability... !!

On 14/7/03 21:00, "Candace Cottrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks Christian, I hadn't seen that one.
> 
> Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer
> The Children's Medical Center
> One Children's Plaza
> Dayton, OH 45404 
> 937-641-4293 
> http://www.childrensdayton.org
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/14/2003 3:25:50 PM >>>
> On Monday, July 14, 2003, at 01:19 PM, Candace Cottrell wrote:
> 
>> Also, anyone know of any good tutorials? I have checked at mm.com,
> but
>> those are fairly limited from what I could gather.
> 
> Have you seen Ben's article?
> 
> http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/data_conn.html
> 
> 
> Christian
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?

[Reilly, James]

Here is an article on using Struts with in CFMX:

http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/struts.html


I have not used it with in CFMX for J2EE, but just in JRun:
http://www.macromedia.com/support/jrun/ts/documents/tn18297.htm
Note: The installation in this article is ok, but the directions for
the "Simple Struts App" is lacking.



Tkx,
Jim

-Original Message-
From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?


Having done a couple Struts projects, you need a couple of good Java folks
to help wade through implementing Struts. I'd look at Fusebox (3 or 4, not
MX nee Mach-II) if you're looking for a plug and play framework *for
ColdFusion*. Struts has many more built in features (eg the validator) but
is a lot more complicated. For our small CF5 to Struts migration project
(roughly 30k lines of CF code), the struts-config file was something like
2800 lines (of course now you can distribute the Struts config files, but
not at that time).

If you're using CFMX for J2EE, you could consider doing some apps in Struts,
some in CFMX, but I don't see a lot of advantage to mixing them in the same
app -- I think it will be pretty complicated and not sure what value it
gives you.

Regards,

John Paul Ashenfelter
CTO/TransitionPoint
- Original Message - 
From: "Smith, Don , CTR , WHS/PSD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:50 PM
Subject: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?


> Is anyone using Jakarta Struts for CFMX and can they comment toward 
> its
use?
>
> I am looking for a published development framework that would be 
> flexible enough for development in, plus allow our team to investigate 
> new technologies outside of CFMX -I like what I read of Struts' 
> integration of Java technology but I haven't implemented it yet.
>
> I'm working with some staff for whom integration of existing Java
libraries
> would be a stretch and others who could handle it easily, but it would 
> require ramp-up time and education.
>
> I am hoping to find a framework that would allow me to point new
developers
> to existing materials so I would not have to write up an entire "code 
> like
I
> do" book.  I am also hoping that it would add something on top of CFMX 
> and not merely reorganize CFMX without adding anything.
>
> How was your:
> Ease of development and organization
> Integration with Java for non-Java programmers
> Success rate in getting users to adapt
>
> THANKS!
>
> Don
>
> 

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Re: FireFly vs DRK

[Candace Cottrell]

Thanks Christian, I hadn't seen that one.
 
Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer 
The Children's Medical Center 
One Children's Plaza 
Dayton, OH 45404 
937-641-4293 
http://www.childrensdayton.org
 
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/14/2003 3:25:50 PM >>>
On Monday, July 14, 2003, at 01:19 PM, Candace Cottrell wrote:

> Also, anyone know of any good tutorials? I have checked at mm.com,
but
> those are fairly limited from what I could gather.

Have you seen Ben's article?

http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/data_conn.html


Christian


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Re: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?

[John Paul Ashenfelter]

Having done a couple Struts projects, you need a couple of good Java folks
to help wade through implementing Struts. I'd look at Fusebox (3 or 4, not
MX nee Mach-II) if you're looking for a plug and play framework *for
ColdFusion*. Struts has many more built in features (eg the validator) but
is a lot more complicated. For our small CF5 to Struts migration project
(roughly 30k lines of CF code), the struts-config file was something like
2800 lines (of course now you can distribute the Struts config files, but
not at that time).

If you're using CFMX for J2EE, you could consider doing some apps in Struts,
some in CFMX, but I don't see a lot of advantage to mixing them in the same
app -- I think it will be pretty complicated and not sure what value it
gives you.

Regards,

John Paul Ashenfelter
CTO/TransitionPoint
- Original Message - 
From: "Smith, Don , CTR , WHS/PSD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:50 PM
Subject: Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?


> Is anyone using Jakarta Struts for CFMX and can they comment toward its
use?
>
> I am looking for a published development framework that would be flexible
> enough for development in, plus allow our team to investigate new
> technologies outside of CFMX -I like what I read of Struts' integration of
> Java technology but I haven't implemented it yet.
>
> I'm working with some staff for whom integration of existing Java
libraries
> would be a stretch and others who could handle it easily, but it would
> require ramp-up time and
> education.
>
> I am hoping to find a framework that would allow me to point new
developers
> to existing materials so I would not have to write up an entire "code like
I
> do" book.  I am also hoping that it would add something on top of CFMX and
> not merely reorganize CFMX without adding anything.
>
> How was your:
> Ease of development and organization
> Integration with Java for non-Java programmers
> Success rate in getting users to adapt
>
> THANKS!
>
> Don
>
> 
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Anyone using Jakarta Struts for cfmx?

[Smith, Don , CTR , WHS/PSD]

Is anyone using Jakarta Struts for CFMX and can they comment toward its use?

I am looking for a published development framework that would be flexible
enough for development in, plus allow our team to investigate new
technologies outside of CFMX -I like what I read of Struts' integration of
Java technology but I haven't implemented it yet.  

I'm working with some staff for whom integration of existing Java libraries
would be a stretch and others who could handle it easily, but it would
require ramp-up time and 
education.  

I am hoping to find a framework that would allow me to point new developers
to existing materials so I would not have to write up an entire "code like I
do" book.  I am also hoping that it would add something on top of CFMX and
not merely reorganize CFMX without adding anything.

How was your:
Ease of development and organization
Integration with Java for non-Java programmers
Success rate in getting users to adapt

THANKS!

Don

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CFCHART help, please

[Kennerly, Rick H CIV]

on a bar chart I have scale from 1-6.  However, CFCHART persists in dividing
the chart scale into 10 equal parts, so if I set the scale from/scale to to
0 & 6 (or 1 & 6) I end up with numbers like .667, 1.333, 2, 2.673 etc for
the divisions.  This is most unsightly.  Is there a work around?  Am I
missing something?  
 
Rick   

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Re: FireFly vs DRK

[Christian Cantrell]

On Monday, July 14, 2003, at 01:19 PM, Candace Cottrell wrote:

> Also, anyone know of any good tutorials? I have checked at mm.com, but
> those are fairly limited from what I could gather.

Have you seen Ben's article?

http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/data_conn.html

Christian

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MM Survey Status

[LI, Chunshen \(Don\)]

Hi,

Does anyone know if MM's recent Survey is still open?
Thanks.

Li, Chunshen (Don)

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correction... RE: HTTP response header from web server

[Jon Block]

Sorry, I said "response headers from the web server". What I meant to say is
how can I capture the request that my browser is making to the web server
when I click on the flash movie.

Thanks,
Jon

-Original Message-
From: Jon Block [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 3:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: HTTP response header from web server


I'm working with a flash movie that is directing me to the wrong page when I
click on it. I can't figure out why. The flash designer tells me there is
nothing wrong with the flash file, yet things work when I use a simple text
link and  tag.

How do I capture the response headers from the web server so I can evaluate
what the difference is between my functional text response versus the
misbehaving flash response? Is there a browser or plugin that works with
flash that will display the headers after I click on the flash movie?

-Jon


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HTTP response header from web server

[Jon Block]

I'm working with a flash movie that is directing me to the wrong page when I
click on it. I can't figure out why. The flash designer tells me there is
nothing wrong with the flash file, yet things work when I use a simple text
link and  tag.

How do I capture the response headers from the web server so I can evaluate
what the difference is between my functional text response versus the
misbehaving flash response? Is there a browser or plugin that works with
flash that will display the headers after I click on the flash movie?

-Jon

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RE: FireFly vs DRK

[Kronenberger, Douglas]

Getting information in and out of a database. I need a grid control that can
be filtered by criteria the user selects (Division, Office, Project, etc.). 

I also have a dropdown that content is dependant on what's selected in
another dropdown. After figuring out I needed to write the cf script to
write the jscript to create the arrays I need to populate the dropdown I
started wondering how hard it would be to learn flash remoting.

It seems it might be easier to get the most stuff from the server up front
keep the data in arrays in flash and not have to go back to the server so
often.

I'm just doing some Hello World type stuff with remoting now. I know very
little about Flash.  I stayed away from flash 'cause it didn't look all that
useful. I started doing some reading on flash remoting and it looks pretty
sweet.

FireFly and the DRK's looked to fill similar purposes and I really couldn't
find any specifics on what was included with FireFly. Just wondering if it
was repackaging of the same material.

-Original Message-
From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 11:39 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: FireFly vs DRK


What do you need to do?

mike chambers

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: "Kronenberger, Douglas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 10:40 AM
Subject: SOT: FireFly vs DRK


> Quick question. Should I get FireFly or just get the DRKs.  Or maybe 
> which one should I get first.
>
> I'm just starting Flash Remoting
>
> 

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Re: OT: approaching clients of (former) employer

[Jim Campbell]

Go after them, and be rapacious about it.  Don't tip your hand to 
Company B - naturally they want to dissuade you from trying to wrest 
their clients away, but such is the free market.  Though I'm in the 
States, and am not familiar with UK business law, I don't imagine you 
can't use your leverage as an experienced developer in the technology 
the client's already made a significant investment in as a selling point 
for your services. 

If you provide a service the client sees as not only of high value in 
the present, but also a flexible, reliable solution for future 
endeavors, they're free to choose to work with you over anyone else.  If 
Company B persuades them to go with ASP or .NET or whatever they're 
pushing, then that's how the cards fall, but for goodness sakes, don't 
let them go without a fight.  Good luck.

- Jim

Gyrus wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Just wondered if any of the people here a bit wiser to the ways of the 
>industry and legal matters could give us their opinion on a slightly sticky 
>situation that's cropped up for us. We'd really appreciate any advice. I'll 
>say upfront that we're UK-based, so I'm not sure if any legal issues are 
>UK-specific.
>
>The short version of the long story is that myself and a friend, who offer 
>our freelance web services under the name Tengai, used to do a lot of work 
>as sub-contractors for (let's say) Company A. The work (all based on 
>ColdFusion) was all done without any written contracts, and all seemed well 
>until (don't sneer!) they went belly up owing us money.
>
>Their client list was bought by (let's say) Company B. We vaguely 
>considered leaping in and trying to poach the clients in the transfer, but 
>accepted that despite there being no written contracts, it was unethical, 
>and played the game. We met with Company B, they seemed a bit more 
>organised than Company A, and said that while their own in-house stuff was 
>all based on ASP and MS technologies, they'd probably continue the 
>relationship with us as sub-contractors to do the CF work.
>
>We did a few little jobs through them in the first months, but near the 
>beginning of this year everything went quiet. As far as we were aware, the 
>clients were just backing away from the hiked-up prices that Company B were 
>putting through to them.
>
>So recently, with times being tough, we've come back round to idea of 
>approaching these clients directly. We've not had any work from Company B 
>for nearly 6 months, so we see the sub-contractor relationship as 
>effectively lapsed.
>
>However, we decide to be upfront and honest about it, and inform Company B 
>of our intentions. They come back and let us know that we shouldn't 
>approach these companies as they're now valuable clients of theirs and... 
>wouldn't you know it... they're in the process of persuading them to 
>migrate to ASP and MS-based technologies.
>
>Of course, they think we're being unethical. Even though they concede that 
>they don't really have work for us, they say we're using information 
>(contact info for the clients) that is priveleged and binds us to the 
>sub-contractor relationship. To us, though, we would have this information, 
>having been the cornerstones of all the work done for the clients via 
>Company A during 2000 - 2002. Company B surely can't hold us to a 
>sub-contractor relationship when they're not giving us any work, and don't 
>pretend to have any for us now - especially since there's never been 
>anything but verbal agreements.
>
>In our view, they've been less than ethical in giving the impression of an 
>on-going relationship, of us doing their new CF-based clients' development 
>work, but - without telling us - pushing them towards their own ASP 
>environment.
>
>Naturally the client should get what's best for them and not be the victim 
>(again) of their developers mucking them around (as Company A did). We're 
>fine with these clients deciding they're best with Company B, we just think 
>that all the cards should be on the table. Only, Company B have said that 
>if we approach any clients and any of them decide to go with us, they'll 
>take legal advice.
>
>Has anyone been in this situation or something similar? Any views?
>
>many thanks,
>
>Gyrus
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>play: http://norlonto.net/
>work: http://tengai.co.uk/
>PGP key available 
>
>
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RE: approaching clients of (former) employer

[Mosh Teitelbaum]

So first, standard disclaimer... IANAL so take this with one helluva grain
of salt.  Also, I can only speak of experience in the US, a society which is
quite a bit more litigious than, um, everyone else.

That said, what I have to say is probably not what you want to hear.  The
short of it is that, even though you never signed anything with Company A,
you accepted their money.  While this is not a true contract, it is very
nearly one and could be argued in court that it provides for a contractual
relationship.

The real question, disregarding ethics, is what the terms of the contract
were between Company A and Company B.  Did they just buy the client list,
all rights that Company A can infer about those clients, the entire company,
etc.?  I suspect the answer to this question would greatly impact your
ability to legally contact these clients.

Also, I'm assuming that you did work for some of the same clients under
Company B as under Company A.  If so, than the almost-a-contract stuff
applies here as well.  But maybe only to those clients that you worked for
while under Company B.

Also, while Company B might have legal ground to keep you from calling the
clients, there's nothing that would stop the clients from calling you.
Especially since your "contract" doesn't include a non-compete along those
lines.

Of course, all of the above ignores the question of ethics.  Unfortunately,
while the notion of making sure the clients know all of the facts before
being pushed towards ASP is a noble one, it is also none of your concern as,
technically, they were never *YOUR* clients.  Even if you worked directly
with them, you did so under the auspices of Companies A & B.

Anyway, I hope my rambling is of some help.  I hope it all works out for
you.

--
Mosh Teitelbaum
evoch, LLC
Tel: (301) 942-5378
Fax: (301) 933-3651
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WWW: http://www.evoch.com/


> -Original Message-
> From: Gyrus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 1:43 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: OT: approaching clients of (former) employer
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Just wondered if any of the people here a bit wiser to the ways of the
> industry and legal matters could give us their opinion on a
> slightly sticky
> situation that's cropped up for us. We'd really appreciate any
> advice. I'll
> say upfront that we're UK-based, so I'm not sure if any legal issues are
> UK-specific.
>
> The short version of the long story is that myself and a friend,
> who offer
> our freelance web services under the name Tengai, used to do a
> lot of work
> as sub-contractors for (let's say) Company A. The work (all based on
> ColdFusion) was all done without any written contracts, and all
> seemed well
> until (don't sneer!) they went belly up owing us money.
>
> Their client list was bought by (let's say) Company B. We vaguely
> considered leaping in and trying to poach the clients in the
> transfer, but
> accepted that despite there being no written contracts, it was unethical,
> and played the game. We met with Company B, they seemed a bit more
> organised than Company A, and said that while their own in-house
> stuff was
> all based on ASP and MS technologies, they'd probably continue the
> relationship with us as sub-contractors to do the CF work.
>
> We did a few little jobs through them in the first months, but near the
> beginning of this year everything went quiet. As far as we were
> aware, the
> clients were just backing away from the hiked-up prices that
> Company B were
> putting through to them.
>
> So recently, with times being tough, we've come back round to idea of
> approaching these clients directly. We've not had any work from Company B
> for nearly 6 months, so we see the sub-contractor relationship as
> effectively lapsed.
>
> However, we decide to be upfront and honest about it, and inform
> Company B
> of our intentions. They come back and let us know that we shouldn't
> approach these companies as they're now valuable clients of theirs and...
> wouldn't you know it... they're in the process of persuading them to
> migrate to ASP and MS-based technologies.
>
> Of course, they think we're being unethical. Even though they
> concede that
> they don't really have work for us, they say we're using information
> (contact info for the clients) that is priveleged and binds us to the
> sub-contractor relationship. To us, though, we would have this
> information,
> having been the cornerstones of all the work done for the clients via
> Company A during 2000 - 2002. Company B surely can't hold us to a
> sub-contractor relationship when they're not giving us any work,
> and don't
> pretend to have any for us now - especially since there's never been
> anything but verbal agreements.
>
> In our view, they've been less than ethical in giving the
> impression of an
> on-going relationship, of us doing their new CF-based clients'
> development
> work, but - without telling us - pushing them towards their own ASP
> environment.
>
> Na

RE: OT: approaching clients of (former) employer

[John Wilker]

Yeah I would agree. Companies poach other companies clients all the time
anyway, and having no documented agreements you are fine. The clients are
likely being dazzled with the "Why you should ditch your investnment and
start over" speach so you should come in with the "safe time money and keep
what you have and pay less for development." speach.

Good luck

-Original Message-
From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 11:08 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OT: approaching clients of (former) employer


I would say not only market the clients, but aggressively market them.

It sounds like you would be doing the clients a good turn. Allow them to
capitalize on existing investment and even save some money (it sounds like
your prices are lower).

Explain the situation as part of your pitch, making sure you show them how
they can benefit from the relationship.

And make it clear that the previous company going out of business has
nothing to do with your company's health and longevity.

If not, send the list to the list, and I'm sure they'll get plenty of CF
offers.

=)

Jerry Johnson

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/14/03 01:43PM >>>
Hi,

Just wondered if any of the people here a bit wiser to the ways of the 
industry and legal matters could give us their opinion on a slightly sticky 
situation that's cropped up for us. We'd really appreciate any advice. I'll 
say upfront that we're UK-based, so I'm not sure if any legal issues are 
UK-specific.

The short version of the long story is that myself and a friend, who offer 
our freelance web services under the name Tengai, used to do a lot of work 
as sub-contractors for (let's say) Company A. The work (all based on 
ColdFusion) was all done without any written contracts, and all seemed well 
until (don't sneer!) they went belly up owing us money.

Their client list was bought by (let's say) Company B. We vaguely 
considered leaping in and trying to poach the clients in the transfer, but 
accepted that despite there being no written contracts, it was unethical, 
and played the game. We met with Company B, they seemed a bit more 
organised than Company A, and said that while their own in-house stuff was 
all based on ASP and MS technologies, they'd probably continue the 
relationship with us as sub-contractors to do the CF work.

We did a few little jobs through them in the first months, but near the 
beginning of this year everything went quiet. As far as we were aware, the 
clients were just backing away from the hiked-up prices that Company B were 
putting through to them.

So recently, with times being tough, we've come back round to idea of 
approaching these clients directly. We've not had any work from Company B 
for nearly 6 months, so we see the sub-contractor relationship as 
effectively lapsed.

However, we decide to be upfront and honest about it, and inform Company B 
of our intentions. They come back and let us know that we shouldn't 
approach these companies as they're now valuable clients of theirs and... 
wouldn't you know it... they're in the process of persuading them to 
migrate to ASP and MS-based technologies.

Of course, they think we're being unethical. Even though they concede that 
they don't really have work for us, they say we're using information 
(contact info for the clients) that is priveleged and binds us to the 
sub-contractor relationship. To us, though, we would have this information, 
having been the cornerstones of all the work done for the clients via 
Company A during 2000 - 2002. Company B surely can't hold us to a 
sub-contractor relationship when they're not giving us any work, and don't 
pretend to have any for us now - especially since there's never been 
anything but verbal agreements.

In our view, they've been less than ethical in giving the impression of an 
on-going relationship, of us doing their new CF-based clients' development 
work, but - without telling us - pushing them towards their own ASP 
environment.

Naturally the client should get what's best for them and not be the victim 
(again) of their developers mucking them around (as Company A did). We're 
fine with these clients deciding they're best with Company B, we just think 
that all the cards should be on the table. Only, Company B have said that 
if we approach any clients and any of them decide to go with us, they'll 
take legal advice.

Has anyone been in this situation or something similar? Any views?

many thanks,

Gyrus
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
play: http://norlonto.net/ 
work: http://tengai.co.uk/ 
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Re: OT: approaching clients of (former) employer

[Jerry Johnson]

I would say not only market the clients, but aggressively market them.

It sounds like you would be doing the clients a good turn. Allow them to capitalize on 
existing investment and even save some money (it sounds like your prices are lower).

Explain the situation as part of your pitch, making sure you show them how they can 
benefit from the relationship.

And make it clear that the previous company going out of business has nothing to do 
with your company's health and longevity.

If not, send the list to the list, and I'm sure they'll get plenty of CF offers.

=)

Jerry Johnson

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/14/03 01:43PM >>>
Hi,

Just wondered if any of the people here a bit wiser to the ways of the 
industry and legal matters could give us their opinion on a slightly sticky 
situation that's cropped up for us. We'd really appreciate any advice. I'll 
say upfront that we're UK-based, so I'm not sure if any legal issues are 
UK-specific.

The short version of the long story is that myself and a friend, who offer 
our freelance web services under the name Tengai, used to do a lot of work 
as sub-contractors for (let's say) Company A. The work (all based on 
ColdFusion) was all done without any written contracts, and all seemed well 
until (don't sneer!) they went belly up owing us money.

Their client list was bought by (let's say) Company B. We vaguely 
considered leaping in and trying to poach the clients in the transfer, but 
accepted that despite there being no written contracts, it was unethical, 
and played the game. We met with Company B, they seemed a bit more 
organised than Company A, and said that while their own in-house stuff was 
all based on ASP and MS technologies, they'd probably continue the 
relationship with us as sub-contractors to do the CF work.

We did a few little jobs through them in the first months, but near the 
beginning of this year everything went quiet. As far as we were aware, the 
clients were just backing away from the hiked-up prices that Company B were 
putting through to them.

So recently, with times being tough, we've come back round to idea of 
approaching these clients directly. We've not had any work from Company B 
for nearly 6 months, so we see the sub-contractor relationship as 
effectively lapsed.

However, we decide to be upfront and honest about it, and inform Company B 
of our intentions. They come back and let us know that we shouldn't 
approach these companies as they're now valuable clients of theirs and... 
wouldn't you know it... they're in the process of persuading them to 
migrate to ASP and MS-based technologies.

Of course, they think we're being unethical. Even though they concede that 
they don't really have work for us, they say we're using information 
(contact info for the clients) that is priveleged and binds us to the 
sub-contractor relationship. To us, though, we would have this information, 
having been the cornerstones of all the work done for the clients via 
Company A during 2000 - 2002. Company B surely can't hold us to a 
sub-contractor relationship when they're not giving us any work, and don't 
pretend to have any for us now - especially since there's never been 
anything but verbal agreements.

In our view, they've been less than ethical in giving the impression of an 
on-going relationship, of us doing their new CF-based clients' development 
work, but - without telling us - pushing them towards their own ASP 
environment.

Naturally the client should get what's best for them and not be the victim 
(again) of their developers mucking them around (as Company A did). We're 
fine with these clients deciding they're best with Company B, we just think 
that all the cards should be on the table. Only, Company B have said that 
if we approach any clients and any of them decide to go with us, they'll 
take legal advice.

Has anyone been in this situation or something similar? Any views?

many thanks,

Gyrus
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
play: http://norlonto.net/ 
work: http://tengai.co.uk/ 
PGP key available 


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RE: Any problems with BLOBs and CF5?

[Stacy Young]

I'm only READING the blob entries...no requirement to INSERT or UPDATE
from the CF side.

Cheers,

Stace

-Original Message-
From: Stacy Young 
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 1:46 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Any problems with BLOBs and CF5?

Has anyone have any issues with using BLOBs on Oracle 8i and CF5?
Looking to do TIFF image retrieval from an existing DB...base64 encoding
not an option.

Appreciate any input...

Stace


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Any problems with BLOBs and CF5?

[Stacy Young]

Has anyone have any issues with using BLOBs on Oracle 8i and CF5?
Looking to do TIFF image retrieval from an existing DB...base64 encoding
not an option.

Appreciate any input...

Stace


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OT: approaching clients of (former) employer

[Gyrus]

Hi,

Just wondered if any of the people here a bit wiser to the ways of the 
industry and legal matters could give us their opinion on a slightly sticky 
situation that's cropped up for us. We'd really appreciate any advice. I'll 
say upfront that we're UK-based, so I'm not sure if any legal issues are 
UK-specific.

The short version of the long story is that myself and a friend, who offer 
our freelance web services under the name Tengai, used to do a lot of work 
as sub-contractors for (let's say) Company A. The work (all based on 
ColdFusion) was all done without any written contracts, and all seemed well 
until (don't sneer!) they went belly up owing us money.

Their client list was bought by (let's say) Company B. We vaguely 
considered leaping in and trying to poach the clients in the transfer, but 
accepted that despite there being no written contracts, it was unethical, 
and played the game. We met with Company B, they seemed a bit more 
organised than Company A, and said that while their own in-house stuff was 
all based on ASP and MS technologies, they'd probably continue the 
relationship with us as sub-contractors to do the CF work.

We did a few little jobs through them in the first months, but near the 
beginning of this year everything went quiet. As far as we were aware, the 
clients were just backing away from the hiked-up prices that Company B were 
putting through to them.

So recently, with times being tough, we've come back round to idea of 
approaching these clients directly. We've not had any work from Company B 
for nearly 6 months, so we see the sub-contractor relationship as 
effectively lapsed.

However, we decide to be upfront and honest about it, and inform Company B 
of our intentions. They come back and let us know that we shouldn't 
approach these companies as they're now valuable clients of theirs and... 
wouldn't you know it... they're in the process of persuading them to 
migrate to ASP and MS-based technologies.

Of course, they think we're being unethical. Even though they concede that 
they don't really have work for us, they say we're using information 
(contact info for the clients) that is priveleged and binds us to the 
sub-contractor relationship. To us, though, we would have this information, 
having been the cornerstones of all the work done for the clients via 
Company A during 2000 - 2002. Company B surely can't hold us to a 
sub-contractor relationship when they're not giving us any work, and don't 
pretend to have any for us now - especially since there's never been 
anything but verbal agreements.

In our view, they've been less than ethical in giving the impression of an 
on-going relationship, of us doing their new CF-based clients' development 
work, but - without telling us - pushing them towards their own ASP 
environment.

Naturally the client should get what's best for them and not be the victim 
(again) of their developers mucking them around (as Company A did). We're 
fine with these clients deciding they're best with Company B, we just think 
that all the cards should be on the table. Only, Company B have said that 
if we approach any clients and any of them decide to go with us, they'll 
take legal advice.

Has anyone been in this situation or something similar? Any views?

many thanks,

Gyrus
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
play: http://norlonto.net/
work: http://tengai.co.uk/
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RE: Encrypt() putting single quote in string, causes SQL error when trying to SELECT

[Hassan_Arteaga_Rodríguez]

U should use in every query when u try to retrieve or update or insert
data into a field of type String(I mean varchar, nvarchar, etc...)  the
function replace(Strvalue, "'","''")

Regards,

PD: This developer mistake let to the attacker  one simple SQL data
injection in u Data Base.

--
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WEB Programmer. Network Admin
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From: James Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 11:53 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Encrypt() putting single quote in string, causes SQL error when
trying to SELECT


Hi,

Have an interesting problem. I'm using Encrypt() to store sensitive user
data in SQL Server. On some strings, the function is encrypting with a
single quote as one of the chars. This is causing a SQL error when I'm
trying to either enter or retrieve the data with cfquery.

Has anyone run across this problem? Can anyone offer a workaround?

Thanks,

James


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RE: FireFly vs DRK

[Philip Arnold]

> The current one has some real usability problems (like not
> supplying the information from the datasource and such)
>
> Could you detail that message, I am interested to hear that.

The problem is that when you connect to a datasource, it only makes the
connectors, you have to know the name of the database, and all fields
within that database

You'd expect that something made this recently for connectivity to CF
would have drop-downs for this information, but they don't

If you can put up with entering in the information by hand (or
copy/paste), then it's fine, otherwise it's a lot of work, and hopeing
you that you get the information correct

For me, this is a BIG issue in usability, and it's meant to be "fixed"
in the next release




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RE: FireFly vs DRK

[Candace Cottrell]

Me too, coinsidering I bought it (but havent got a chance to try it
out)
 
Also, anyone know of any good tutorials? I have checked at mm.com, but
those are fairly limited from what I could gather.
 
 
Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer 
The Children's Medical Center 
One Children's Plaza 
Dayton, OH 45404 
937-641-4293 
http://www.childrensdayton.org
 
 
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>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/14/2003 1:14:04 PM >>>
Could you detail that message, I am interested to hear that.

// Jaye Morris - Multimedia Applications Developer
// [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.navtrak.net 
// [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.jayeZERO.com 

-Original Message-
From: Philip Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 10:44 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: FireFly vs DRK

> Quick question. Should I get FireFly or just get the DRKs.
> Or maybe which one should I get first.
>
> I'm just starting Flash Remoting

If you're serious about using FireFly, wait for the next release

The current one has some real usability problems (like not supplying
the
information from the datasource and such)





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Re: OT: CSS Layouts

[jon hall]

I'm not sure using this would be the best idea for someone just
getting into css layouts, but it help get rid of a lot of the leg
work. At least it isn't a copy/paste solution.

http://www.fu2k.org/alex/css/layouts/3Col_NN4_FMFM.mhtml

-- 
 jon
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sunday, July 13, 2003, 6:00:31 PM, you wrote:
JC> I am looking for a CSS layout that fits the following criteria and I am
JC> not having much luck.  Anybody have any pointers?
 
JC>   - allows for header, 2 or 3 columns, and a footer
JC>   - allows for 'miss-ordering' of the blocks (content first, then
JC> header, navigation, and footer) within HTML
 
JC> Anybody got any pointers?
 
JC> Thanks
JC> -- Jeff

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RE: FireFly vs DRK

[Jaye Morris - jayeZERO.com]

Could you detail that message, I am interested to hear that.

// Jaye Morris - Multimedia Applications Developer
// [EMAIL PROTECTED] - www.navtrak.net
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From: Philip Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: FireFly vs DRK

> Quick question. Should I get FireFly or just get the DRKs.
> Or maybe which one should I get first.
>
> I'm just starting Flash Remoting

If you're serious about using FireFly, wait for the next release

The current one has some real usability problems (like not supplying the
information from the datasource and such)




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Digitally Signing Emails

[DeShazo, Jonathan P. (Keane)]

Hello everyone,

Has anyone run into using a certificate to digitally sign emails generated
by CFMAIL?  Is this a built-in option in MX?   We are using 4.5 now but will
be migrating to MX sometime soon.

Any help is greatly appreciated!

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Re: Endless Loops

[Jeff Garza]

Heathen.



Jeff
- Original Message -
From: "Michael C. Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 9:53 AM
Subject: RE: Endless Loops


Yup, it's all based on script timeouts - Generally a good reason to have
that set to something sane, like 5 minutes.

CF doesn't have anything evil like the old "while (1) {fork;}" trick you
can do in Perl, does it?  Or am I simply being a heathen by bringing up
Perl here?  :)

Michael Jackson
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-Original Message-
From: Jeff Garza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Endless Loops

Typically, it will run until it reaches the script timeout that's set in
the CF Administrator, if you don't have this set, I think it will run
until you restart the CF Service.

Jeff

- Original Message -
From: "Ian Skinner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Endless Loops


Whenever you do one of those timeless lapses of logic that creates an
endless loop in your ColdFusion code, (or does this just happen to me?).
Anyway, you stop the page processing from your browser with the stop
button. Does the CF Applications Service ever get tired of running that
endless loop on some abandoned thread, or does this go one until
somebody finally gets fed up with the hit in performance and restarts
the service?


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Re: coding guidelines part 2

[Sean A Corfield]

On Monday, Jul 14, 2003, at 01:49 US/Pacific, Rich Hims wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, at 15:30 US/Pacific, Sean A Corfield 
>> wrote:
>> See my other post (on Structs in CFMX - Java) where I timed both:
> Sorry, but could you link us to this?  Is CFMX-Java a houseoffusion 
> list, 'cos I couldn't see it in the navigation list.

It was on this list, a while back. "Structs in CFMX - Java" was the 
subject line, as far as I can recall.

> Could this be because I'm running ColdFusion 5, not MX?

Yes.

> Why would the two versions produce such drastically different results?

As someone else pointed out, CFMX is a complete rewrite in Java - CF5 
(and earlier versions) were written in C++.

CFMX compiles CFML to bytecode (technically CFMX compiles CFML to Java 
source code and then uses a Java compiler to compile the generated Java 
source code to .class bytecode; Red Sky improves on this process - 
'how' is currently under NDA), and the bytecode is executed by the JVM 
(and, likely, compiled to machine code by the JIT - Just-In-Time - 
compiler).

Earlier versions of CF turned the CFML into an intermediate code which 
was then interpreted by CF. Parsing - reading source code and 
'understanding' it - is generally a slow process which is which most 
interpreters convert source code to some intermediate form.

Since the two processes are (radically) different, the relative speed 
of many constructs will differ between CFMX and earlier versions - some 
may be slower, others faster.

My Coding Guidelines document has a few performance-related hints & 
tips - with the caveat that "These techniques were true for CF4.5.1 
SP2. Some have been tested under CFMX(these are noted) but most 
have not. [TBD: yet!] For the most part they are only important for 
very performance-sensitive code such as frequently called tags." When I 
release the next version of the guidelines (this summer), this section 
will have been completely overhauled.

Another caveat: don't optimize unless you know you have a performance 
problem; don't optimize unless you have measured performance and 
located a bottleneck; don't optimize code unless you've already 
optimized your architecture and algorithms! (Spot a pattern here?) 
Write clean, simple code - the compiler is often better at speeding it 
up than you are!

Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/

"If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
-- Margaret Atwood

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RE: Endless Loops

[Michael C. Jackson]

Yup, it's all based on script timeouts - Generally a good reason to have
that set to something sane, like 5 minutes.

CF doesn't have anything evil like the old "while (1) {fork;}" trick you
can do in Perl, does it?  Or am I simply being a heathen by bringing up
Perl here?  :)

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-Original Message-
From: Jeff Garza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: Endless Loops

Typically, it will run until it reaches the script timeout that's set in
the CF Administrator, if you don't have this set, I think it will run
until you restart the CF Service.

Jeff

- Original Message -
From: "Ian Skinner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Endless Loops


Whenever you do one of those timeless lapses of logic that creates an
endless loop in your ColdFusion code, (or does this just happen to me?).
Anyway, you stop the page processing from your browser with the stop
button. Does the CF Applications Service ever get tired of running that
endless loop on some abandoned thread, or does this go one until
somebody finally gets fed up with the hit in performance and restarts
the service?

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Encrypt() putting single quote in string, causes SQL error when trying to SELECT

[James Johnson]

Hi,

Have an interesting problem. I'm using Encrypt() to store sensitive user
data in SQL Server. On some strings, the function is encrypting with a
single quote as one of the chars. This is causing a SQL error when I'm
trying to either enter or retrieve the data with cfquery.

Has anyone run across this problem? Can anyone offer a workaround?

Thanks,

James

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RE: Capture Crashes BESIDES Server logs

[Douglas.Knudsen]

look at try/catch logic via cftry and cfcatch.  You can have custom errors defined too 
that you can catch.  look at cferror.  Also, look into cflog tag which can be used to 
make entries in the CF logs or your own logs.

Doug

>-Original Message-
>From: Jason Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:51 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Capture Crashes BESIDES Server logs
>
>
>Hello group - I was wondering if there was some code that I can place 
>ona few critical pages to "capture" any issues or crashes 
>BESIDES server 
>logs.
>
>Is this possible? Maybe if an element or on page load doesn't 
>load have 
>error or notice emailed to me?
>
>I would very much appreciate a simple, low cost way of implementing 
>this. Doesn't have to be exact nor secure. And it essentially needs to 
>be a free solution currently ( besides my time modifying or doing some 
>of the code)
>
>thanks!
>jason
>
>
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Capture Crashes BESIDES Server logs

[Jason Miller]

Hello group - I was wondering if there was some code that I can place 
ona few critical pages to "capture" any issues or crashes BESIDES server 
logs.

Is this possible? Maybe if an element or on page load doesn't load have 
error or notice emailed to me?

I would very much appreciate a simple, low cost way of implementing 
this. Doesn't have to be exact nor secure. And it essentially needs to 
be a free solution currently ( besides my time modifying or doing some 
of the code)

thanks!
jason

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(OT) RegEx editor

[Josen Ruiseco]

>i would love to put some words in a form box..
>
>say for instance...
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>and then the regex interprets that, and turns it
>into some sort of 
>
>@[EMAIL PROTECTED]([EMAIL PROTECTED])%($#([EMAIL PROTECTED])*!@)#$_
>
>thing.
>
>make sense?
>
>and maybe a wizard type thing...where it could say, do you want
>to match...blah's as well? or maybe a blah here or there.
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 1:49 AM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: (OT) RegEx editor
>
>
>Actually, a while ago we wrote a very powerful graphical RegEx builder
>in
>C++ for Windows that performs multiple search/replace iterations as part
>of
>DatabaseBlocks 3 (which we're still trying to get out the door).  We've
>been
>thinking about also creating a standalone utility based on it, but we
>didn't
>know if enough people were really all that interested in what you could
>do
>with RegEx, so we sat on the idea.
>
>What kinds of things do you guys want to do with RegEx, specifically?
>Would
>you want just a standalone utility that performs multiple RegEx
>operations
>on disk files, or do you need it to generate CFML RegEx calls, or what?
>
>Just probing here.
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Adam Phillip Churvis
>Member of Team Macromedia
>
>Advanced Intensive ColdFusion MX Training
>ColdFusion MX Master Class:
>July 14 - 18, 2003
>http://www.ColdFusionTraining.com
>
>Download CommerceBlocks V2.1 and LoRCAT from
>http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com
>
>The ColdFusion MX Bible is in bookstores now!
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 11:07 AM
>Subject: (OT) RegEx editor
>
>
>> I've talked to the creator of this RegEx editor:
>> http://www.blackie.dk/KDE/KRegExpEditor/
>> He's willing to port it to Windows as a standalone visual RegEx
>creator
>for us.
>> We'll have the source (in Qt) and the license and I'd make it a
>community
>thing.
>> What's needed?
>> $720
>> If your interested in such a tool, please email me off list with the
>amount
>> you'd like to kick in. As we'll have the source and all, it can be
>modified by
>> community members into other things such as a DW or Studio/HS+ plugin.
>>
>> Michael Dinowitz
>> Finding technical solutions to the problems you didn't know you had
>yet
>>
>> 
>
The idea of an interigator that asks questions and allows for answers is excellent. I 
would be more than happy to contribute more money if necessary to the creation of this 
type of functionality in the current app. 

Besides saving time for all of us regEx Dummies, there's a chance that it might get 
bought up and/or incorporated into future apps by Macromedia.

Just a thought...
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Re: Endless Loops

[Jeff Garza]

Typically, it will run until it reaches the script timeout that's set in the
CF Administrator, if you don't have this set, I think it will run until you
restart the CF Service.

Jeff

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From: "Ian Skinner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 9:31 AM
Subject: Endless Loops


Whenever you do one of those timeless lapses of logic that creates an
endless loop in your ColdFusion code, (or does this just happen to me?).
Anyway, you stop the page processing from your browser with the stop button.
Does the CF Applications Service ever get tired of running that endless loop
on some abandoned thread, or does this go one until somebody finally gets
fed up with the hit in performance and restarts the service?

--
Ian Skinner
Web Programmer
BloodSource
Sacramento, CA


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RE: Endless Loops

[Mosh Teitelbaum]

You can either stop and restart the CF service or wait until the request
times out on its own (I think the timeout default is 5 minutes).

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> -Original Message-
> From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:31 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Endless Loops
>
>
> Whenever you do one of those timeless lapses of logic that creates an
> endless loop in your ColdFusion code, (or does this just happen to me?).
> Anyway, you stop the page processing from your browser with the
> stop button.
> Does the CF Applications Service ever get tired of running that
> endless loop
> on some abandoned thread, or does this go one until somebody finally gets
> fed up with the hit in performance and restarts the service?
>
> --
> Ian Skinner
> Web Programmer
> BloodSource
> Sacramento, CA
>
> 
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Endless Loops

[Ian Skinner]

Whenever you do one of those timeless lapses of logic that creates an
endless loop in your ColdFusion code, (or does this just happen to me?).
Anyway, you stop the page processing from your browser with the stop button.
Does the CF Applications Service ever get tired of running that endless loop
on some abandoned thread, or does this go one until somebody finally gets
fed up with the hit in performance and restarts the service?

--
Ian Skinner
Web Programmer
BloodSource
Sacramento, CA

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RE: Bulk CF Encryption App

[Mosh Teitelbaum]

What's wrong with the built-in encoder?  It accepts wildcards in the file
specification and can recursively encode files/directories.  Something like:

cfencode source\*.cfm target\ /r /v "2"

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> -Original Message-
> From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 10:21 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Bulk CF Encryption App
>
>
> Can anyone recommend a good bulk CFML encrypt or? I've tried a few as
> "trial" versions and they both choke out on my directory of 77 CFML
> templates, throw errors of all sorts and generally don't work.
>
> Anyone have any recommendations or is the best way to do it one at a
> time from the command-line?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joshua Miller
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> Garrison Enterprises Inc.
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RE: coding guidelines part 2

[Jim Davis]

> Could this be because I'm running ColdFusion 5, not MX?  Why would the two
> versions produce such drastically different results?
> 
> Rich Hims

There are quite a few cases where there two versions produce wildly
different results from the same code.  I re-did one of my "Code Challenges"
using CF 4.5 and MX (4.5 is slower than 5, but essentially the same
architecture) here:

http://www.depressedpress.com/DepressedPress/Content/ColdFusion/Challenge/Co
mbineSortQuery/Solution-Intro.cfm

But you can see that in some case speeds actually flip-flop - the fastest in
the old (C++) codebase is the slowest in CFMX and the slowest in C++ is
fastest in CFMX.

I mean to go back and re-do all of them with CF 4.5, CF 5.0, CFMX and RedSky
(once its released).

The nice thing about these challenges (anybody have any ideas for new ones?)
is that we have small code samples from many people doing complex tasks and
all of them are trying to be "fast".  So we get a lot of coding styles and
techniques to compare.

I'm always wanted to be able to spend more time on them and make them a
regular feature.

Jim Davis

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RE: not allowing dynamic taglib attribute

[Jordan Thomas]

That's what I meant (cfimport) >:O)

thanks for the info. Seems like a given that they would have already done
this.

cheers

Jordan

-Original Message-
From: Reilly, James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 14 July 2003 5:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE:  not allowing dynamic taglib attribute


Jordan,

This is true;

The taglib attribute only accept constant value, you cannot use a variable
to define the location of the custom tags. It is not very practical: if the
location changes, you'll have to perform an extended search & replace.
(This was a cut and paste from another web resource...)

Maybe MM will change in the future, and allow a variable for the taglib
attribute...

Fyi.. You say CFIMPORT in the subject, but CFLIB (???) in the email body...

Tkx,
Jim


-Original Message-
From: Jordan Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 11:22 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject:  not allowing dynamic taglib attribute


Hi,

It seems that  doesn't allow a dynamic taglib attribute. I keep
getting a "This expression must have a constant value." error. Is there some
kind of work around for this? Simply so that I can specify the value in one
place and then have it filter through the rest of my app.

thanks

Jordan


Jordan Thomas
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Re: FireFly vs DRK

[Mike Chambers]

What do you need to do?

mike chambers

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- Original Message - 
From: "Kronenberger, Douglas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 10:40 AM
Subject: SOT: FireFly vs DRK


> Quick question. Should I get FireFly or just get the DRKs.  Or maybe which
> one should I get first.
>
> I'm just starting Flash Remoting
>
> 
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Re: Cfhttp (now regex help needed...)

[Ryan Mitchell]

Thanks, got it doing what I want now!!!

On 14/7/03 16:08, "Ben Doom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> How big is the php page that's coming back?  ReFind() has some character
> limitations (about 22k or so), so if the page is any bigger, it just fails.
> No error, no message, no grace -- it just doesn't find anything.
> 
> Assuming the page is small enough, you should be looking for something like
> 
> (&|\?)sid=[[:alnum:]]{32}
> 
> I changed just the & to an & or ? so it would find the string even if it's
> the first in the query string.  The {32} means to look for 32 of the
> previous construct (in this case, an alnum).
> 
> HTH.
> 
> As always, if you need more assistance, Ninjas are standing by:
> http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=threads&forumid=21
> HoF CF-RegEx -- for all your regex needs.
> 
> 
> --  Ben Doom
>   Programmer & General Lackey
>   Moonbow Software, Inc
> 
> : -Original Message-
> : From: Ryan Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> : Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 10:50 AM
> : To: CF-Talk
> : Subject: Re: Cfhttp (now regex help needed...)
> :
> :
> : Ok, cool i've got this aspect working, thanks dave...
> :
> : Now... I am doing a cfhttp on a php page and need to return the
> : php sid, so
> : basically I need to search through the string and find
> :
> : "sid=." where the  Represent a 32 char alphanumeric string...
> :
> : I've tried
> : ReFind('&sid=([[:alnum:]])+',cfhttp.FileContent)
> : But it doesn¹t seem to work... Any thoughts?
> :
> : Sorry for all this annoyance...
> : This is so worth it if I get this working!
> :
> : Ryan
> :
> : 
> 
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RE: not allowing dynamic taglib attribute

[Reilly, James]

Jordan,

This is true;

The taglib attribute only accept constant value, you cannot use a variable
to define the location of the custom tags. It is not very practical: if the
location changes, you'll have to perform an extended search & replace.
(This was a cut and paste from another web resource...)

Maybe MM will change in the future, and allow a variable for the taglib
attribute...

Fyi.. You say CFIMPORT in the subject, but CFLIB (???) in the email body...

Tkx,
Jim


-Original Message-
From: Jordan Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 11:22 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject:  not allowing dynamic taglib attribute


Hi,

It seems that  doesn't allow a dynamic taglib attribute. I keep
getting a "This expression must have a constant value." error. Is there some
kind of work around for this? Simply so that I can specify the value in one
place and then have it filter through the rest of my app.

thanks

Jordan


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Software Engineer
Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Produktionstechnik und Automatisierung (FhG-IPA)

Nobelstrasse 12
D-70569 Stuttgart

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E-mail:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: Reinstall CFMX?? Yelp...

[Candace Cottrell]

Oh thank you thank you. Running the connectors worked!
 
 
Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer 
The Children's Medical Center 
One Children's Plaza 
Dayton, OH 45404 
937-641-4293 
http://www.childrensdayton.org
 
 
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>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/14/2003 11:20:30 AM >>>
What I tend to do is make sure that the website as the JRunScripts
Virt.
Dir. There and that its set to allow executables.  The other thing is
to
re-run the connector scripts in the bin dir... Run the remove_all one,
then
the connector for your webserver


HTH



-Original Message-
From: Candace Cottrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 16:12
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Reinstall CFMX?? Yelp...


*yelp*

After a botched intranet relaunch last night, I found out realtively
quickly
that flash remoting was not working on our server.  No blank page. No
happy
data from the cfcs.

*sigh*

Is there any way to get the coveted "blank page" without reinstalling?

If this is one of those STFA (which I did indeed do) or RTFM questions,
I'll
happily take a lashing.

Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer 
The Children's Medical Center 
One Children's Plaza 
Dayton, OH 45404 
937-641-4293 
http://www.childrensdayton.org 


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not allowing dynamic taglib attribute

[Jordan Thomas]

Hi,

It seems that  doesn't allow a dynamic taglib attribute. I keep
getting a "This expression must have a constant value." error. Is there some
kind of work around for this? Simply so that I can specify the value in one
place and then have it filter through the rest of my app.

thanks

Jordan


Jordan Thomas
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Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Produktionstechnik und Automatisierung (FhG-IPA)

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RE: Reinstall CFMX?? Yelp...

[Mike Townend]

What I tend to do is make sure that the website as the JRunScripts Virt.
Dir. There and that its set to allow executables.  The other thing is to
re-run the connector scripts in the bin dir... Run the remove_all one, then
the connector for your webserver


HTH



-Original Message-
From: Candace Cottrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 16:12
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Reinstall CFMX?? Yelp...


*yelp*
 
After a botched intranet relaunch last night, I found out realtively quickly
that flash remoting was not working on our server.  No blank page. No happy
data from the cfcs.
 
*sigh*
 
Is there any way to get the coveted "blank page" without reinstalling?
 
If this is one of those STFA (which I did indeed do) or RTFM questions, I'll
happily take a lashing.
 
Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer 
The Children's Medical Center 
One Children's Plaza 
Dayton, OH 45404 
937-641-4293 
http://www.childrensdayton.org
 
 
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Functionality, Usability and Pricing

[LI, Chunshen \(Don\)]

I believe, the "Usability" thread all in all has
produced some positive results thanks
to almost everyone who responded, which I appreciated.
 Now, I'd like to go
a step further.  Forgive me if you perceive the topic
OT.

Functionality
IMHO, an application or utility must be able to
accomplish what it is intended to do.
That is the number one important objective.  Secondly,
reliability or consistency,
the application/utility must not behave one way one
day and another way another day
unless intended.  Third, efficiency, an application
can't take forever to excute.
Fourth and fifth, scalability and flexibity, I would
think the order of importance for them would depend on
situation/scenario.

Usability
Per thread,
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=messages&threadid=25404&forumid=4

Question, what might be a quick way to measure the
above two attributes?  Say, use the data admin tool
for an example, URL,
http://68.32.61.40/datadata/DataMan.cfm

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semantic layer, data duplication check mechnism, file
upload etc.

Pricing
What is THE most important determinant for it?


Thanks.

Li, Chunshen (Don)
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Reinstall CFMX?? Yelp...

[Candace Cottrell]

*yelp*
 
After a botched intranet relaunch last night, I found out realtively
quickly that flash remoting was not working on our server.  No blank
page. No happy data from the cfcs.
 
*sigh*
 
Is there any way to get the coveted "blank page" without reinstalling?
 
If this is one of those STFA (which I did indeed do) or RTFM questions,
I'll happily take a lashing.
 
Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer 
The Children's Medical Center 
One Children's Plaza 
Dayton, OH 45404 
937-641-4293 
http://www.childrensdayton.org
 
 
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