Re: ASP.NET How can one love it.

2006-06-08 Thread dave
is that it? ;)

~Dave the disruptor~ 


From: Adam Churvis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: ASP.NET How can one love it. 

You can delete this from the file system, then click the projects on the Start 
Page and they'll go away from the Recent Projects list that appears when you 
first launch.

If you want to remove them from the Recent Projects list but don't want to dump 
them, just move the related files from both the Projects and WebSites folders 
to another folder, then click the project name in the list on the Start Page. 
When VS doesn't find the project files, it removes the entry from the Recent 
Projects list.

Hope this helps.
Respectfully,

Adam Phillip Churvis
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee

Get advanced intensive Master-level training in
C#  ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers at
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 - Original Message - 
 From: Ian Skinner 
 To: CF-Talk 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:52 PM
 Subject: ASP.NET How can one love it.

 Ok in reality I'm griping about Visual Studio (2005 Professional to be 
specific).

 I'm going through the How do I ... tutorials. So far I have done three and 
have had trouble with two of them. One, where the instructions where wrong, and 
a second, where something was wrong with my system configuration, have not 
developed a sense of love within by breast.

 Anyway, through all this I have created some projects that I do not want. 
They are stored in an undesirable place and I would like to remove them from my 
work space. I can't. I look up the instructions in the help and I get these.

 Deleting
 You can delete a project permanently, but not by using Visual Studio. You need 
to remove any references to the project you want to delete from solutions you 
have in Visual Studio, and then use Windows Explorer to delete the associated 
files from storage permanently.

 To permanently delete a project
 1) In Solution Explorer, select the project you want to delete from the 
solution.
 2) On the Edit menu, select Remove.
 3) In Windows Explorer, locate and select the files associated with the 
project you want to delete.
 4) On the File menu, select Delete.

 But this does not work. There is no Remove command in the Edit menu. So what 
am I supposed to do?

 --
 Ian Skinner
 Web Programmer
 BloodSource
 www.BloodSource.org
 Sacramento, CA

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Re: geocode database - world cities

2006-06-08 Thread Paul Hastings
Andrew Grosset wrote:
 and his blog about geolocater:

actually the geoLocator CFC will only get you to the country-level. stuff finer 
than that, especially outside the US, is kind of  iffy when it comes to 
mapping location from IP.

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Coldfusion Administration

2006-06-08 Thread vishnu prasad
Hi 
Does any one have any presentaion and meterial related to Coldfusion MX 
administration. 

If anyone has could you please share the same?

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Re: Coldfusion Administration

2006-06-08 Thread James Holmes
The manual is always a good start:

http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/part_adm.htm

On 6/8/06, vishnu prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi
 Does any one have any presentaion and meterial related to Coldfusion MX 
 administration.

 If anyone has could you please share the same?

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Re: Reopening timed out cfftp connection ..

2006-06-08 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Wednesday 07 June 2006 22:30, |Rens|  0 wrote:
 It just feels like a defeat, if you know what I mean ;) I just can't get
 it to work with the offered standard posibilities of ColdFusion. It
 feels like ColdFusion just doesn't do what it promises, and leaves me
 with an unworkable script.

CF in not intended or promised to be a general purpose answer to every 
problem.
Things like Bash (and the GNU toolset), now that's a general purpose 
solution :-)

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Re: Coldfusion Administration

2006-06-08 Thread Nick Tong - TalkWebSolutions.co.uk
there was a podcast by coldfusionpodcast.com about the admin API - i would
check that out.

HTH

On 08/06/06, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The manual is always a good start:

 http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/7/htmldocs/part_adm.htm

 On 6/8/06, vishnu prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi
  Does any one have any presentaion and meterial related to Coldfusion MX
 administration.
 
  If anyone has could you please share the same?

 --
 CFAJAX docs and other useful articles:
 http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/

 

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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

2006-06-08 Thread Nick Tong - TalkWebSolutions.co.uk
Dave, I think you must have a browser sniffer that checks for any framework
string structures in URLs and limits your download speed - lol.  So are you
telling us that not one site using frameworks is fast??  If so can you give
some examples?

Model Glue has had some speed issues recently but Joe has spent a lot of
time tuning this and MG1.1 is a lot faster and Unity should be better still.

Now I am coming in this conversation a little late but one of the great
things I find about FWs is the scalability of them.  Unless you've spent a
lot of time implementing your own code structure/standards (personal
framework) then I'm sure you will run into issues with scaling.  Frameworks
handle this very well as they have been tried and tested.  This is just one
of the pros.

Frameworks aren't the be all and end all but they are a great starting point
for any project.  Check out what some people say about frameworks here:
http://succor.co.uk/index.cfm/2006/4/28/cfFrameworkscom-survey-results-What-coldfusion-frameworks-are-used(more
analysis coming soon).

Nick

On 07/06/06, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 same connections I view everything else on, not like i use a special one
 for cf framework sites only ;)~

 ~Dave the disruptor~

 
 From: Nathan Strutz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 2:40 PM
 To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
 Subject: Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

 Dave,

 Chack your network connections. Switch providers if it helps. Sounds to me
 like every site you visit is slow.

 I know, I know, and i'm just kidding, but really, you've never seen a
 speedy
 enough CF framework-driven or asp.net site?

 I've built and visited a number of each, most all quite fast (when on good
 or local hardware). Therefore, check your connection. Maybe your ISP is
 sending your signal through 14.4k modems. :D

 -nathan

 On 6/6/06, dave  wrote:
 
  Yeah that can be true and is a good point.
  I really want to get into model-glue but I still remember something I
 read
  on here that was said, someone said that it was slow and the responce
 was
  yeah but it's doing so much underneath, but the user doesn't care what's
  underneath they want it fast.
 
  I'm assuming this is more or less the frameworks that use xml or so it
  seems but then again I really haven't seen a .net app that's fast
 either.
 
  ~Dave the disruptor~
 



 

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Re: Large cfserver.log file a performance issue?

2006-06-08 Thread Nick Tong - TalkWebSolutions.co.uk
I have see the seefusion chaps helping out on the Reactor framework recently
and for this reason if there is not much between the products then i would
go for them.

On 07/06/06, Brad Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wow, seefusion looks pretty sweet.  I think I could actually talk my
 company into this.

 I searched the archives and found fusion-reactor mentioned as well.
 I didn't find any definitive opinions on which was one was better,
 though.

 Without starting any Thread Wars, does anyone have any quick,
 non-disparaging, helpful insights as to which of these products is
 better (price, customizable, usefulness) :)

 Thanks.

 ~Brad

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 10:14 AM
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 Subject: Re: Large cfserver.log file a performance issue?

 check out this blog: http://www.webapper.net/ - the seefusion chaps run
 it i
 believe.


 

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Documentation

2006-06-08 Thread Neil Middleton
I know a lot of you will run for the hills at the sight of the subject line,
but it really is quite a simple question.

How do you guys go about technical documentation, how do you write docs that
tell other people (not necessarily technical, but project participants) how
your code works, what the rules are, what the re-use potential is, how the
UI works etc.

What tools do you use for the job?  Word? Visio? Wiki?  How do you tackle it
and when? Before writing your code?  After?

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Re: Documentation

2006-06-08 Thread Nick Tong - TalkWebSolutions.co.uk
Hi Neil,

Trac is great for this, it keep everything together.  Highly recommend it.

On 08/06/06, Neil Middleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I know a lot of you will run for the hills at the sight of the subject
 line,
 but it really is quite a simple question.

 How do you guys go about technical documentation, how do you write docs
 that
 tell other people (not necessarily technical, but project participants)
 how
 your code works, what the rules are, what the re-use potential is, how the
 UI works etc.

 What tools do you use for the job?  Word? Visio? Wiki?  How do you tackle
 it
 and when? Before writing your code?  After?

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Re: Documentation

2006-06-08 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Thursday 08 June 2006 10:54, Neil Middleton wrote:
 that tell other people (not necessarily technical, but project
 participants) how your code works, what the rules are, what the re-use
 potential is, how the UI works etc.

Why do non-technical people care about reuse ?
They just want a 'how-do-I' and bit of handholding. If it's taking a long time 
or complex document, your UI probably sucks :-)

 What tools do you use for the job?  Word? Visio? Wiki?  

We use a sort of wiki amongest the devlopers, and .doc for user-visable stuff. 
Generally as we go along for the developer docs - things tend to be in flux 
more often than not during the writing stage.

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Re: Documentation

2006-06-08 Thread Neil Middleton
I would say, anyone who is involved in a project either from a development
or financial point of view cares about re-use as it has a direct effect on
future costs.

N

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 Why do non-technical people care about reuse ?


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Re: Documentation

2006-06-08 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Thursday 08 June 2006 11:21, Neil Middleton wrote:
 I would say, anyone who is involved in a project either from a development
 or financial point of view cares about re-use as it has a direct effect on
 future costs.

Fair enough.
If you start telling non-technical people 'We spent twice as long on this 
project as we could have to reduce furture development time', that's OK, but 
there's no need to go into the detail of what you did ('wrote an abstract 
state manager for managing history logging and action execution').

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Re: cfcompile alternative

2006-06-08 Thread mike hanson
JDT to the rescue!  It's not included with CF, but it works.  I posted a
example
on... lemme see... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/java_coldfusion_hacks/

Dan Plesse has put up a ton of stuff that relates as well. Good guy.  He's
the dude who asked me about the speech stuff - full of good ideas!
:DeN

Looks good but is there a way of translating the .cfm to .java first?

Mike

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Re: Documentation

2006-06-08 Thread Nick de Voil
 How do you guys go about technical documentation, how do you write docs that
 tell other people (not necessarily technical, but project participants) how
 your code works, what the rules are, what the re-use potential is, how the
 UI works etc.

 What tools do you use for the job?  Word? Visio? Wiki?  How do you tackle it
 and when? Before writing your code?  After?

For us, the exact set of documentation deliverables is very project-dependent
and is thrashed out at a high level at project initiation time and then in more
details at the beginning of each project stage. It depends on the complexity of
the job, the customer's expectations and the development method used for the
project, but in general you need to have documentation tasks in all three
places - beginning, middle and end. You need to document the functional and
non-functional (performance etc) requirements up front or the project will
fail. You need to document what you're doing at each stage in order to have a
managed process (imo this is true even if you're doing agile development). And
you need to document what you've done at the end, or the documentation will not
reflect reality.

We do still use Word/PDF for those documents where a simple, visible version
control scheme is critical. We store everything in our web-based project support
environment as a central reference point. Being basically a CMS, besides storing
files it allows you to create more free-form web-based documentation as you go
along, whether as traditional pages or blog/wiki/forum/helpfile entries. It also
creates interactive diagrams. We use a lot of diagrams because they are
information-rich and (some) customers can understand (some of) them. We use all
sorts of diagramming techniques, both from UML and older toolsets.

The only thing I would caution against is creating too many detailed how-to
documents with embedded screenshots - they become a real pain when you want to
change things. An up-to-date Captivate demo is much more likely to be correct
and consistent. However, sometimes customers want things on paper.

Nick







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Re: Coldfusion Administration

2006-06-08 Thread vishnu prasad
IF i have any PPt it would be gr8 ,  i need to give a training in one of the 
college here . SO any presentation on coldfusion administration would be gr8

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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

2006-06-08 Thread Greg Luce
I think us folks who like frameworks are building enterprise web
applications. I've been using strictly FB since 1999, but if I am charged
with making a 7 page website for my neighbor's kid of course I'm not going
to use a framework. But in a corporate enterprise situation, the
maintainability is not debatable! I have been able to walk up to very
complex FB applications and in 30 minutes be able to make effective changes
for them. I have also worked on client applications using non-frameworked
code that takes days or even WEEKS to effectively be able to make changes
to. And when it comes to any significant functionality added or changed, in
the spaghetti-code situation I or most consultants would only take the
job on the premise of rewriting the whole thing. I'm no business expert, but
which situation would you rather be in if you own the company? I think we're
comparing apples and oranges is what I'm saying. I agree a framework may not
be the way to go for a one-off simple website. But for an enterprise web
application a framework will significantly add to the value of the software.
And the Fusebox is slow statement is very outdated.

Greg

On 6/8/06, Nick Tong - TalkWebSolutions.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dave, I think you must have a browser sniffer that checks for any
 framework
 string structures in URLs and limits your download speed - lol.  So are
 you
 telling us that not one site using frameworks is fast??  If so can you
 give
 some examples?

 Model Glue has had some speed issues recently but Joe has spent a lot of
 time tuning this and MG1.1 is a lot faster and Unity should be better
 still.

 Now I am coming in this conversation a little late but one of the great
 things I find about FWs is the scalability of them.  Unless you've spent a
 lot of time implementing your own code structure/standards (personal
 framework) then I'm sure you will run into issues with
 scaling.  Frameworks
 handle this very well as they have been tried and tested.  This is just
 one
 of the pros.

 Frameworks aren't the be all and end all but they are a great starting
 point
 for any project.  Check out what some people say about frameworks here:

 http://succor.co.uk/index.cfm/2006/4/28/cfFrameworkscom-survey-results-What-coldfusion-frameworks-are-used(more
 analysis coming soon).

 Nick

 On 07/06/06, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  same connections I view everything else on, not like i use a special one
  for cf framework sites only ;)~
 
  ~Dave the disruptor~
 
  
  From: Nathan Strutz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 2:40 PM
  To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
  Subject: Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?
 
  Dave,
 
  Chack your network connections. Switch providers if it helps. Sounds to
 me
  like every site you visit is slow.
 
  I know, I know, and i'm just kidding, but really, you've never seen a
  speedy
  enough CF framework-driven or asp.net site?
 
  I've built and visited a number of each, most all quite fast (when on
 good
  or local hardware). Therefore, check your connection. Maybe your ISP is
  sending your signal through 14.4k modems. :D
 
  -nathan
 
  On 6/6/06, dave  wrote:
  
   Yeah that can be true and is a good point.
   I really want to get into model-glue but I still remember something I
  read
   on here that was said, someone said that it was slow and the responce
  was
   yeah but it's doing so much underneath, but the user doesn't care
 what's
   underneath they want it fast.
  
   I'm assuming this is more or less the frameworks that use xml or so it
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RE: Reopening timed out cfftp connection ..

2006-06-08 Thread Dave Watts
 It just feels like a defeat, if you know what I mean ;) I 
 just can't get it to work with the offered standard 
 posibilities of ColdFusion. It feels like ColdFusion just 
 doesn't do what it promises, and leaves me with an unworkable 
 script.

Well, CF is really not a general-purpose programming language. There are
some things it does very well - stuff relating to generating HTML and
talking to databases - and everything else is more or less secondary.

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Re: Reopening timed out cfftp connection ..

2006-06-08 Thread |Rens| 0
Dave Watts wrote:
 It just feels like a defeat, if you know what I mean ;) I 
 just can't get it to work with the offered standard 
 posibilities of ColdFusion. It feels like ColdFusion just 
 doesn't do what it promises, and leaves me with an unworkable 
 script.
 
 Well, CF is really not a general-purpose programming language. There are
 some things it does very well - stuff relating to generating HTML and
 talking to databases - and everything else is more or less secondary.

I agree with you on your first point.

If the documentation states however, that the offered functionality 
should perform in a certain way, it should do so. If it doesn't, I just 
call it a bug.

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RE: cfcompile alternative

2006-06-08 Thread Dave Watts
 Looks good but is there a way of translating the .cfm to .java first?

Have you tried invoking coldfusion.tools.Compiler directly? That's
essentially all the cfcompile.bat file does. As someone mentioned, you won't
be able to do this from the file that you want to compile, but if you simply
want to compile one file from another, I suspect this would work.

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RE: Reopening timed out cfftp connection ..

2006-06-08 Thread Dave Watts
 If the documentation states however, that the offered 
 functionality should perform in a certain way, it should do 
 so. If it doesn't, I just call it a bug.

Sure. But every complex application has plenty of these sorts of bugs.

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Re: Reopening timed out cfftp connection ..

2006-06-08 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Thursday 08 June 2006 13:42, |Rens|  0 wrote:
 If the documentation states however, that the offered functionality
 should perform in a certain way, it should do so. If it doesn't, I just
 call it a bug.

I agree. If the docs say one thing, and it does another either the docs or CF 
are broken. Write a note on the web documentation page, and the MM folks are 
fairly good about getting back to you.

AFAIK CF doesn't allow you to 'reopen' CFFTP connections that have failed, 
though.


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Status of ActivMail?

2006-06-08 Thread Ant Cooper
Hi,

Does anyone know the status of ActivMail, is it still in development?
I just had a dig around and it looks like the site hasn't been updated
in a while.

I'm looking for a solution to send out more emails than cfmail can
handle on CF7 on MacOS X (with SMTP server on separate Win2k box).

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RE: Status of ActivMail?

2006-06-08 Thread Robert Redpath
Check out inFusion Mail Server 
http://www.coolfusion.com/products/ims/index.cfm
 
Or 
 
Matt Robertson's mail trickler
http://mysecretbase.com/Slowing_Down_CFMail_2004.cfm



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Subject: Status of ActivMail?



Hi,

Does anyone know the status of ActivMail, is it still in development?
I just had a dig around and it looks like the site hasn't been updated
in a while.

I'm looking for a solution to send out more emails than cfmail can
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Re: Reopening timed out cfftp connection ..

2006-06-08 Thread |Rens| 0
Dave Watts wrote:
 If the documentation states however, that the offered 
 functionality should perform in a certain way, it should do 
 so. If it doesn't, I just call it a bug.
 
 Sure. But every complex application has plenty of these sorts of bugs.

Nice logic there ;)

Ok, let me first state that it's not my intention to start a rant about 
ColdFusion. Secondly, I have yet to confirm that what I *think* is a 
bug, actually *is* a bug.

But some of the people on this list will have to agree with me that CF 
has a relatively large amount of 'obscure behaviour' so to speak.

Then again: I'm brand new here on this list, and I guess it would be 
wise to keep a low profile and see what is said around here. From what 
I've seen so far, I'm very pleased with the quality of the posts around 
here.

Rens

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Find which records have changed over a 7 day period.

2006-06-08 Thread Andy Matthews
Anyone care to chime in on this? I've posted a thread which hasn't gotten
many responses yet and I'm wondering if any of you SQL wizards have input.

http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=389438

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RE: Reopening timed out cfftp connection ..

2006-06-08 Thread Dave Watts
 Ok, let me first state that it's not my intention to start a 
 rant about ColdFusion. Secondly, I have yet to confirm that 
 what I *think* is a bug, actually *is* a bug.

Whether it's a bug or not, or whether Adobe confirms it as a bug, there are
a lot of things that CF does adequately for most purposes, but not
exceptionally well. Talking to external servers via common internet
protocols has always been a weak point for CF - the functionality would
usually work well enough for most uses, but not for all.

 But some of the people on this list will have to agree with 
 me that CF has a relatively large amount of 'obscure 
 behaviour' so to speak.

Absolutely. Fortunately, most of this sort of behavior is around the edges
of the product, those tasks that are largely secondary to what CF is
designed to do.

 Then again: I'm brand new here on this list, and I guess it 
 would be wise to keep a low profile and see what is said 
 around here. From what I've seen so far, I'm very pleased 
 with the quality of the posts around here.

From what I've seen so far, there's nothing wrong with the quality of your
posts, either. So don't worry too much about your profile.

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RE: accesskey conundrum

2006-06-08 Thread Andy Matthews
Damien...

I like your idea of jumping to the first field in each section. Because
honestly. Who's going to remember every key command for your form? Just give
them 5 or 10 and they'll be happy.

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Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 3:01 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: accesskey conundrum


Here's the story.  I'm working on a series of somewhat long forms
that I'd like to make completely accessible using accesskeys in
addition to other basics (labels, pure CSS layout, etc).  The problem
is that I'm ending up with more fields than accesskeys makes sense
for, and there are multiple fields that could/should use the same
key.  One idea I had was to have one accesskey defined for the top
field in each fieldset then just let them tab between the different
fields, but that isn't great in e.g. OSX that has fairly crappy
keyboard navigation anyway.  So what do y'all do to overcome this for
your accessible forms?  Thanks.

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RDS in CFEclipse

2006-06-08 Thread Tom Chiverton
According to the docs on the labs site, CFEclipse should talk RDS now, yet 
despite upgrading to the latest stable, I don't see the new menu options.

Anyone else getting this, working or not ?
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CFEclipse tabbing

2006-06-08 Thread Ben Nadel
Got a quick questions. I can't seem to get the tabbing right in Eclipse. I
like to format tags like:

cfsetting 
showdebugoutput=false
requesttimeout=XX
/

If I try to do this (without backspacing anything), eclipse does this:

cfsetting 
showdebugoutput=false 
requesttimeout=XX /

As you can see the tabbing is CRAZY!! I tried turning off smart indenting,
and turning it on as well, neither of them seem to make a difference. Is
there another tabbing feature that I am not seeing somewhere?

Also, is there a way that I can get CTRL+DELETE to delete all white space in
front of it (like in HomeSite). In Eclipse it only seems to delete the next
word. I tried removing the command (in the key setup) to delete the next
word, but it still only does this behavior.

Thanks!

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Re: cfopen?

2006-06-08 Thread Rick Root
FYI all, cfopen seems to be back online.

Rick

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Re: Find which records have changed over a 7 day period.

2006-06-08 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Andy Matthews said:
 Anyone care to chime in on this? I've posted a thread which hasn't
 gotten many responses yet and I'm wondering if any of you SQL
 wizards have input.

 http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=389438

SELECT
  v_player,
  CASE
WHEN MAX(v_pop) = MIN(v_pop) THEN 'same'
ELSE 'changed'
  END AS activity
FROM x_world
GROUP BY
  v_player

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Re: Find which records have changed over a 7 day period.

2006-06-08 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Thursday 08 June 2006 14:18, Andy Matthews wrote:
 Anyone care to chime in on this? I've posted a thread which hasn't gotten
 many responses yet and I'm wondering if any of you SQL wizards have input.

It looks like your there.
You just do
select ..
where ...
and date  (select max date...)
and date  (select min date..)
as you say you've got the min/max query.

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RE: Find which records have changed over a 7 day period.

2006-06-08 Thread Ben Nadel
I am not sure I understand what you want to do. Can't you just delete any
record where the date is greater than 7 days ago?

Maybe answer this: How do you tell if you should delete a record?

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Subject: Find which records have changed over a 7 day period.

Anyone care to chime in on this? I've posted a thread which hasn't gotten
many responses yet and I'm wondering if any of you SQL wizards have input.

http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=389438

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Re: RDS in CFEclipse

2006-06-08 Thread Nick Tong - TalkWebSolutions.co.uk
check out this post:
http://succor.co.uk/index.cfm/2006/5/25/RDS-plugin-for-cfeclipse

On 08/06/06, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 According to the docs on the labs site, CFEclipse should talk RDS now, yet
 despite upgrading to the latest stable, I don't see the new menu options.

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RE: RDS in CFEclipse

2006-06-08 Thread Sandra Clark
RDS is a macromedia eclipse extension.  You download it from adobe labs
under the Flex stuff. 


Sandra Clark
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Subject: RDS in CFEclipse

According to the docs on the labs site, CFEclipse should talk RDS now, yet
despite upgrading to the latest stable, I don't see the new menu options.

Anyone else getting this, working or not ?
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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

2006-06-08 Thread Claude Schneegans
 I have also worked on client applications using non-frameworked
code that takes days or even WEEKS to effectively be able to make 
changes to.

This has strickly nothing to do with the app being frameworked or not.
In fact, the ideal situation is when
1, it is frameworked,
2, the framework is light and simple,
3, you have a fairly good experience with the framework,

1, it is frameworked,
2, the framework is heavy and too complex,
3, you have no experience with the framework,

Unfortunately, the worse conditions are met much more often than the ideal,
especially with FB which is ridilulously heavy and complex for nothing.

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Re: Find which records have changed over a 7 day period.

2006-06-08 Thread Irvin Gomez
What about adding a last_changed column to your table. The initial value 
would be the date the record was entered. On edits to that record, this value 
would be edited (changed) to reflect the date those edits took place.

Then, finding records that didn't change in the last seven days is a matter of 
doing a select where last_changed  today's date minus 7 days. 

HTH.


Anyone care to chime in on this? I've posted a thread which hasn't gotten
many responses yet and I'm wondering if any of you SQL wizards have input.

http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=389438

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RE: Capturing executed SQL in CF

2006-06-08 Thread Leon Oosterwijk
Have you tried using profiler? That way you don't need to change a line
of code. 

Leon
 

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Re: accesskey conundrum

2006-06-08 Thread Rob Wilkerson
I'm not a big fan of access keys because of how they interfere with
the shortcuts I've set up in my environment and much-discussed
accessibility issues, but when I do use them on forms for whatever
reason, I tend to follow the Windows UI standard of underlining the
letter in the label that, in conjunction with the Alt key activates
the shortcut.  Most of the people that are likely to use the shortcuts
generally seem to recognize the convention, from what I've seen.

On 6/8/06, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Damien...

 I like your idea of jumping to the first field in each section. Because
 honestly. Who's going to remember every key command for your form? Just give
 them 5 or 10 and they'll be happy.

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 -Original Message-
 From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 3:01 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: OT: accesskey conundrum


 Here's the story.  I'm working on a series of somewhat long forms
 that I'd like to make completely accessible using accesskeys in
 addition to other basics (labels, pure CSS layout, etc).  The problem
 is that I'm ending up with more fields than accesskeys makes sense
 for, and there are multiple fields that could/should use the same
 key.  One idea I had was to have one accesskey defined for the top
 field in each fieldset then just let them tab between the different
 fields, but that isn't great in e.g. OSX that has fairly crappy
 keyboard navigation anyway.  So what do y'all do to overcome this for
 your accessible forms?  Thanks.

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RE: Find which records have changed over a 7 day period.

2006-06-08 Thread Adkins, Randy
I think that is a viable solution, set the last_changed column to be
auto-populated with Now() or Dtae()
Whatever is it, sorry don't remember that one right now.
 

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Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 9:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Find which records have changed over a 7 day period.

What about adding a last_changed column to your table. The initial
value would be the date the record was entered. On edits to that record,
this value would be edited (changed) to reflect the date those edits
took place.

Then, finding records that didn't change in the last seven days is a
matter of doing a select where last_changed  today's date minus 7
days. 

HTH.


Anyone care to chime in on this? I've posted a thread which hasn't 
gotten many responses yet and I'm wondering if any of you SQL wizards
have input.

http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=389438

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Re: CFEclipse tabbing

2006-06-08 Thread Rob Wilkerson
This has been a problem for me as well.  I posted an early thread
about this and it seemed there was no concensus.  I believe Mark
chimed in that cursor positioning and tabbing was a mess in the source
and pretty well needed to be rewritten.

I format my tags like so:

cfsetting showdebugoutput=false
requesttimeout=XX
/

And have all the same issues you're having.  I'll try to dig my
earlier post and add it to this thread...

On 6/8/06, Ben Nadel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Got a quick questions. I can't seem to get the tabbing right in Eclipse. I
 like to format tags like:

 cfsetting
 showdebugoutput=false
 requesttimeout=XX
 /

 If I try to do this (without backspacing anything), eclipse does this:

 cfsetting
 showdebugoutput=false
 requesttimeout=XX /

 As you can see the tabbing is CRAZY!! I tried turning off smart indenting,
 and turning it on as well, neither of them seem to make a difference. Is
 there another tabbing feature that I am not seeing somewhere?

 Also, is there a way that I can get CTRL+DELETE to delete all white space in
 front of it (like in HomeSite). In Eclipse it only seems to delete the next
 word. I tried removing the command (in the key setup) to delete the next
 word, but it still only does this behavior.

 Thanks!

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Re: CFEclipse tabbing

2006-06-08 Thread Rob Wilkerson
As mentioned, I've attached my original post.  And it was Spike, not
Mark, who kicked in the source code comments.  I don't know whether
it's possible to reference a thread URL for this mailing list (or if
so, how to do it), so I've added the relevant posts inline...

My original question:

Has anyone found a way to successfully turn off smart indenting in
CFEclipse?  I have it unchecked in preferences, but that doesn't seem
to make any difference.  For that matter, I should clarify what I'm
doing since I'm not even entirely sure that that's the correct
setting.

For long tags with numerous attributes, I prefer to place each
attribute after the first on its own line:

input type=text
 id=mytext
 name=mytext
 value=
 ...
/

When I do so in CFEclipse, however, instead of automatically indenting
to the level of the line above the new line is indented one level
deeper.  For each line it's only one extra key press to back it up,
but that's a lot of one extra key presses on any given page of code.

Is this a bug or am I trying to use it incorrectly?

Thanks.

==

A snippet from one of Spike's responses:

-- SNIP --
To complicate matters further, the code that does the smart indenting
and auto indenting is mingled with the code that does the auto closing
of , auto step-through of ,',# and , and all manner of other things
that you might not notice happening.

The whole thing really needs to be refactored because at the minute it's
very hard to follow and almost impossible to modify without introducing
bugs.

On 6/8/06, Ben Nadel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Got a quick questions. I can't seem to get the tabbing right in Eclipse. I
 like to format tags like:

 cfsetting
 showdebugoutput=false
 requesttimeout=XX
 /

 If I try to do this (without backspacing anything), eclipse does this:

 cfsetting
 showdebugoutput=false
 requesttimeout=XX /

 As you can see the tabbing is CRAZY!! I tried turning off smart indenting,
 and turning it on as well, neither of them seem to make a difference. Is
 there another tabbing feature that I am not seeing somewhere?

 Also, is there a way that I can get CTRL+DELETE to delete all white space in
 front of it (like in HomeSite). In Eclipse it only seems to delete the next
 word. I tried removing the command (in the key setup) to delete the next
 word, but it still only does this behavior.

 Thanks!

 ...
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 www.bennadel.com


 

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Vendor based JDBC vs Datadirect

2006-06-08 Thread Robert Everland III
Has anyone done any comparissons between the JDBC drivers created by Oracle and 
Microsoft compared 
to the datadirect drivers? I'm curious to see if there is a performance 
advantage between them.




Bob Everland

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RE: accesskey conundrum

2006-06-08 Thread Sandra Clark
Except for people of course who can't see the underlines.

If you are going to use accesskeys (and really they cause more accessibility
problems than they solve), then you also need to create and link to an
accessibility statement for the page which gives a reference to the access
keys used and what they do.  


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-Original Message-
From: Rob Wilkerson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 9:53 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: accesskey conundrum

I'm not a big fan of access keys because of how they interfere with the
shortcuts I've set up in my environment and much-discussed accessibility
issues, but when I do use them on forms for whatever reason, I tend to
follow the Windows UI standard of underlining the letter in the label that,
in conjunction with the Alt key activates the shortcut.  Most of the people
that are likely to use the shortcuts generally seem to recognize the
convention, from what I've seen.

On 6/8/06, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Damien...

 I like your idea of jumping to the first field in each section. 
 Because honestly. Who's going to remember every key command for your 
 form? Just give them 5 or 10 and they'll be happy.

 !//--
 andy matthews
 web developer
 certified advanced coldfusion programmer ICGLink, Inc.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 615.370.1530 x737
 --//-

 -Original Message-
 From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 3:01 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: OT: accesskey conundrum


 Here's the story.  I'm working on a series of somewhat long forms that 
 I'd like to make completely accessible using accesskeys in addition to 
 other basics (labels, pure CSS layout, etc).  The problem is that I'm 
 ending up with more fields than accesskeys makes sense for, and there 
 are multiple fields that could/should use the same key.  One idea I 
 had was to have one accesskey defined for the top field in each 
 fieldset then just let them tab between the different fields, but that 
 isn't great in e.g. OSX that has fairly crappy keyboard navigation 
 anyway.  So what do y'all do to overcome this for your accessible 
 forms?  Thanks.

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Re: Vendor based JDBC vs Datadirect

2006-06-08 Thread James Holmes
I know, from various posts on the subject, that the vendor drivers
from Oracle are missing features that are present in the CF Enterprise
driver (including decent CFSTOREDPROC compatibility and the ability to
natively work with BLOBS).

On 6/8/06, Robert Everland III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Has anyone done any comparissons between the JDBC drivers created by Oracle 
 and Microsoft compared
 to the datadirect drivers? I'm curious to see if there is a performance 
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timeout request settings

2006-06-08 Thread Jason Rogoz
I was curious as to what others have their timeout set to in the cf 
administrator.  We have an app that uploads files to the server, sometimes 
30+MB and currently set to 60 seconds which sometimes times out.  In this case 
i manually increase the timeout and re-upload the file.  I'm hesitant to 
increase the timeout too much to prevent too many long processes.


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Re: timeout request settings

2006-06-08 Thread Crow T. Robot
So, why don't you use cfsetting and do it on a script-by-script basis?

Jason Rogoz wrote:
 I was curious as to what others have their timeout set to in the cf 
 administrator.  We have an app that uploads files to the server, sometimes 
 30+MB and currently set to 60 seconds which sometimes times out.  In this 
 case i manually increase the timeout and re-upload the file.  I'm hesitant to 
 increase the timeout too much to prevent too many long processes.
 
 
 Jason Rogoz
 Programmer / Analyst
 
 Zoom Communications Inc.
 Calgary, Alberta, Canada
 
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 Fax: (403) 229-4211
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User Friendly URLs for dynamic content

2006-06-08 Thread Matt Williams
What are some ways to make URLs more friendly for our product pages?
My marketing guy wants to put these types of URLs in his ads:
mydomain.com/ProductA
mydomain.com/ProductB
mydomain.com/ProductC

I know I can do a subdirectory named ProductA and use cflocation to do a
redirect, but is their an easier way when I have 50 or more possiblities?
I'd rather not have to create a directory and a default.cfm per product.

One thought I had was to change the slash to a question mark. But I'm not
sure if the marketing dude will go for it.

Thanks.

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RE: Vendor based JDBC vs Datadirect

2006-06-08 Thread Dave Watts
 Has anyone done any comparissons between the JDBC drivers 
 created by Oracle and Microsoft compared to the datadirect 
 drivers? I'm curious to see if there is a performance 
 advantage between them.

I doubt you'll find any official comparisons, since Oracle's license
precludes them if I recall correctly. In my experience, there are so many
variables that can contribute to which driver will perform best for a
specific application that there are no hard and fast guidelines. As a
result, I simply use the DataDirect drivers if they work, and try other ones
if they don't.

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Re: User Friendly URLs for dynamic content

2006-06-08 Thread Crow T. Robot
What does the real product URL look like?

Maybe some kind of redirect in your application.cfm, but we'd need to 
see the real link to see how it's structured.

Damn those marketing guys.  :)

Matt Williams wrote:
 What are some ways to make URLs more friendly for our product pages?
 My marketing guy wants to put these types of URLs in his ads:
 mydomain.com/ProductA
 mydomain.com/ProductB
 mydomain.com/ProductC
 
 I know I can do a subdirectory named ProductA and use cflocation to do a
 redirect, but is their an easier way when I have 50 or more possiblities?
 I'd rather not have to create a directory and a default.cfm per product.
 
 One thought I had was to change the slash to a question mark. But I'm not
 sure if the marketing dude will go for it.
 
 Thanks.
 

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Re: RDS in CFEclipse

2006-06-08 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Thursday 08 June 2006 14:42, Nick Tong - TalkWebSolutions.co.uk wrote:
 check out this post:
 http://succor.co.uk/index.cfm/2006/5/25/RDS-plugin-for-cfeclipse

Ah ha.
Buggered URL in the Beta3 docs :-)

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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

2006-06-08 Thread Nick Tong - TalkWebSolutions.co.uk
Hi Claude,

 2, the framework is heavy and too complex,
Any system you work with could be heavy and too complex - this is not just
specific to frameworks?
 3, you have no experience with the framework,
Would you have experience with the new client code base - frameworked or
not?

At least with point 3  when you discover the same framework down the line
this point won't be true.

On 08/06/06, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have also worked on client applications using non-frameworked
 code that takes days or even WEEKS to effectively be able to make
 changes to.

 This has strickly nothing to do with the app being frameworked or not.
 In fact, the ideal situation is when
 1, it is frameworked,
 2, the framework is light and simple,
 3, you have a fairly good experience with the framework,

 1, it is frameworked,
 2, the framework is heavy and too complex,
 3, you have no experience with the framework,

 Unfortunately, the worse conditions are met much more often than the
 ideal,
 especially with FB which is ridilulously heavy and complex for nothing.

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Re: accesskey conundrum

2006-06-08 Thread Rob Wilkerson
LOL.  Good point.

On 6/8/06, Sandra Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Except for people of course who can't see the underlines.

 If you are going to use accesskeys (and really they cause more accessibility
 problems than they solve), then you also need to create and link to an
 accessibility statement for the page which gives a reference to the access
 keys used and what they do.


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 Training in Cascading Style Sheets and Accessibility
 -Original Message-
 From: Rob Wilkerson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 9:53 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: accesskey conundrum

 I'm not a big fan of access keys because of how they interfere with the
 shortcuts I've set up in my environment and much-discussed accessibility
 issues, but when I do use them on forms for whatever reason, I tend to
 follow the Windows UI standard of underlining the letter in the label that,
 in conjunction with the Alt key activates the shortcut.  Most of the people
 that are likely to use the shortcuts generally seem to recognize the
 convention, from what I've seen.

 On 6/8/06, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Damien...
 
  I like your idea of jumping to the first field in each section.
  Because honestly. Who's going to remember every key command for your
  form? Just give them 5 or 10 and they'll be happy.
 
  !//--
  andy matthews
  web developer
  certified advanced coldfusion programmer ICGLink, Inc.
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  615.370.1530 x737
  --//-
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 3:01 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: OT: accesskey conundrum
 
 
  Here's the story.  I'm working on a series of somewhat long forms that
  I'd like to make completely accessible using accesskeys in addition to
  other basics (labels, pure CSS layout, etc).  The problem is that I'm
  ending up with more fields than accesskeys makes sense for, and there
  are multiple fields that could/should use the same key.  One idea I
  had was to have one accesskey defined for the top field in each
  fieldset then just let them tab between the different fields, but that
  isn't great in e.g. OSX that has fairly crappy keyboard navigation
  anyway.  So what do y'all do to overcome this for your accessible
  forms?  Thanks.
 
  --
  Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu
  Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include
  stdjoke.h
 
 
 



 

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Re: timeout request settings

2006-06-08 Thread Rob Wilkerson
I typically keep my timeout pretty low in the administrator and, as
Crow suggested, use cfsetting to up it as needed for specific
templates.

On 6/8/06, Crow T. Robot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So, why don't you use cfsetting and do it on a script-by-script basis?

 Jason Rogoz wrote:
  I was curious as to what others have their timeout set to in the cf 
  administrator.  We have an app that uploads files to the server, sometimes 
  30+MB and currently set to 60 seconds which sometimes times out.  In this 
  case i manually increase the timeout and re-upload the file.  I'm hesitant 
  to increase the timeout too much to prevent too many long processes.
 
 
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RE: CFEclipse tabbing

2006-06-08 Thread Ben Nadel
Thanks Rob... Its upsetting that I just took the morning to try and get
comfortable with Eclipse (and move away from my girl-on-the-side, Homesite)
and already I have hit a road block that is fairly significant in terms of
productivity. I have to start backspacing every tab that get's created, I
might go insane.

-ben
...
Ben Nadel 
www.bennadel.com

-Original Message-
From: Rob Wilkerson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:06 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFEclipse tabbing

As mentioned, I've attached my original post.  And it was Spike, not Mark,
who kicked in the source code comments.  I don't know whether it's possible
to reference a thread URL for this mailing list (or if so, how to do it), so
I've added the relevant posts inline...

My original question:

Has anyone found a way to successfully turn off smart indenting in
CFEclipse?  I have it unchecked in preferences, but that doesn't seem to
make any difference.  For that matter, I should clarify what I'm doing since
I'm not even entirely sure that that's the correct setting.

For long tags with numerous attributes, I prefer to place each attribute
after the first on its own line:

input type=text
 id=mytext
 name=mytext
 value=
 ...
/

When I do so in CFEclipse, however, instead of automatically indenting to
the level of the line above the new line is indented one level deeper.  For
each line it's only one extra key press to back it up, but that's a lot of
one extra key presses on any given page of code.

Is this a bug or am I trying to use it incorrectly?

Thanks.

==

A snippet from one of Spike's responses:

-- SNIP --
To complicate matters further, the code that does the smart indenting and
auto indenting is mingled with the code that does the auto closing of ,
auto step-through of ,',# and , and all manner of other things that you
might not notice happening.

The whole thing really needs to be refactored because at the minute it's
very hard to follow and almost impossible to modify without introducing
bugs.

On 6/8/06, Ben Nadel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Got a quick questions. I can't seem to get the tabbing right in 
 Eclipse. I like to format tags like:

 cfsetting
 showdebugoutput=false
 requesttimeout=XX
 /

 If I try to do this (without backspacing anything), eclipse does this:

 cfsetting
 showdebugoutput=false
 requesttimeout=XX /

 As you can see the tabbing is CRAZY!! I tried turning off smart 
 indenting, and turning it on as well, neither of them seem to make a 
 difference. Is there another tabbing feature that I am not seeing
somewhere?

 Also, is there a way that I can get CTRL+DELETE to delete all white 
 space in front of it (like in HomeSite). In Eclipse it only seems to 
 delete the next word. I tried removing the command (in the key setup) 
 to delete the next word, but it still only does this behavior.

 Thanks!

 ...
 Ben Nadel
 www.bennadel.com


 



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RE: User Friendly URLs for dynamic content

2006-06-08 Thread Ben Nadel
Matt,

I currently set up a 404 page not found handler that catches page-not-founds
and then checks the URL and includes the more appropriate file or redirects
to the better URL.

On a 404 catching, IIS will throw the query string: 404:http:// Which
should contain the page that was requested. Then its just a matter of
parsing out the url.

...
Ben Nadel 
www.bennadel.com

-Original Message-
From: Matt Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:57 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: User Friendly URLs for dynamic content

What are some ways to make URLs more friendly for our product pages?
My marketing guy wants to put these types of URLs in his ads:
mydomain.com/ProductA
mydomain.com/ProductB
mydomain.com/ProductC

I know I can do a subdirectory named ProductA and use cflocation to do a
redirect, but is their an easier way when I have 50 or more possiblities?
I'd rather not have to create a directory and a default.cfm per product.

One thought I had was to change the slash to a question mark. But I'm not
sure if the marketing dude will go for it.

Thanks.

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Re: User Friendly URLs for dynamic content

2006-06-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
This article may help you. It's what I use for House of Fusion's URLs. 
http://www.fusionauthority.com/Techniques/4226-Search-Engine-Safe-SES-URLs.htm

What are some ways to make URLs more friendly for our product pages?
My marketing guy wants to put these types of URLs in his ads:
mydomain.com/ProductA
mydomain.com/ProductB
mydomain.com/ProductC

I know I can do a subdirectory named ProductA and use cflocation to do a
redirect, but is their an easier way when I have 50 or more possiblities?
I'd rather not have to create a directory and a default.cfm per product.

One thought I had was to change the slash to a question mark. But I'm not
sure if the marketing dude will go for it.

Thanks.

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Re: User Friendly URLs for dynamic content

2006-06-08 Thread Matt Williams
Crow, the real url is something like
mydomain.com/viewproduct.cfm?productid=123

Matt

On 6/8/06, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This article may help you. It's what I use for House of Fusion's URLs.

 http://www.fusionauthority.com/Techniques/4226-Search-Engine-Safe-SES-URLs.htm

 What are some ways to make URLs more friendly for our product pages?
 My marketing guy wants to put these types of URLs in his ads:
 mydomain.com/ProductA
 mydomain.com/ProductB
 mydomain.com/ProductC
 
 I know I can do a subdirectory named ProductA and use cflocation to do
 a
 redirect, but is their an easier way when I have 50 or more possiblities?
 I'd rather not have to create a directory and a default.cfm per product.
 
 One thought I had was to change the slash to a question mark. But I'm not
 sure if the marketing dude will go for it.
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: User Friendly URLs for dynamic content

2006-06-08 Thread Matt Williams
Hey Michael,

I have seen that article before and I should start using that technique for
search engine stuff. The only thing my Marketing guy probably won't like
about it is that you're still putting 'someFileName.cfm' in there. Because
our product codes are actually only two letters he wants it like this (and
here is a real example ya'll can go to).

http://www.keystonesymposia.org/E6

Matt


On 6/8/06, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This article may help you. It's what I use for House of Fusion's URLs.

 http://www.fusionauthority.com/Techniques/4226-Search-Engine-Safe-SES-URLs.htm




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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

2006-06-08 Thread Claude Schneegans
 In fact, the ideal situation is when

A line is missing in my last message:

the ideal situation is when
1, it is frameworked,
2, the framework is light and simple,
3, you have a fairly good experience with the framework,

*the worse situation is when*
1, it is frameworked,
2, the framework is heavy and too complex,
3, you have no experience with the framework,


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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

2006-06-08 Thread Claude Schneegans
 Any system you work with could be heavy and too complex - this is not 
just
specific to frameworks?

Right, I meant heavy frameworks in the worse situation, a line was 
missing, sorry.

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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

2006-06-08 Thread Greg Luce
Unfortunately, the worse conditions are met much more often than the ideal,
especially with FB which is ridilulously heavy and complex for nothing.

I don't think you should flatly say this. Unless you are completely versed
in the latest FB4.1 or 5 you are just parroting blather you heard from
someone. Ony overhead to FB is not for nothing. There is a purpose for all
of it. Unless like I said before if you are making a little brochure
website.

Greg

On 6/8/06, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have also worked on client applications using non-frameworked
 code that takes days or even WEEKS to effectively be able to make
 changes to.

 This has strickly nothing to do with the app being frameworked or not.
 In fact, the ideal situation is when
 1, it is frameworked,
 2, the framework is light and simple,
 3, you have a fairly good experience with the framework,

 1, it is frameworked,
 2, the framework is heavy and too complex,
 3, you have no experience with the framework,

 Unfortunately, the worse conditions are met much more often than the
 ideal,
 especially with FB which is ridilulously heavy and complex for nothing.

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Re: User Friendly URLs for dynamic content

2006-06-08 Thread Jim
Theres lots of fiddly things you can do, Isapi filters (IIS),  
mod_rewrite (Apache) , missing template handlers e.t.c

But if you only have 50 products, and they're in a database, then why 
not write a CF script that does actually make the folders?

For the sake of tidyness, see if your marketing guy will be happy with  
/go/E6 urls.

Then its a very simple and reliable matter of a cfquery, a cfloop, a 
cfdirectory and a cffile



Matt Williams wrote:
 Hey Michael,

 I have seen that article before and I should start using that technique for
 search engine stuff. The only thing my Marketing guy probably won't like
 about it is that you're still putting 'someFileName.cfm' in there. Because
 our product codes are actually only two letters he wants it like this (and
 here is a real example ya'll can go to).

 http://www.keystonesymposia.org/E6

 Matt


 On 6/8/06, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 This article may help you. It's what I use for House of Fusion's URLs.

 http://www.fusionauthority.com/Techniques/4226-Search-Engine-Safe-SES-URLs.htm


 


 

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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

2006-06-08 Thread Claude Schneegans
 you are just parroting blather you heard from
someone. Ony overhead to FB is not for nothing. There is a purpose for 
all of it.

No, I had to make some modifications once in a FB application, so I had 
to learn it.
The only thing I can say is that if I had to rewrite the same app my way,
(call it my own framework), it would have taken ten times less code, 
and it would
take ten times less time for anyone else to get into it for a modification.

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Re: CFEclipse tabbing

2006-06-08 Thread Rob Wilkerson
Yeah, I've had some growing pains myself, but I've found enough that I
really like about Eclipse that it's been my only IDE for several
months now.  The stuff HS+ had that I liked wasn't that critical to my
daily workflow, I've found.  I set up snippets for a lot of my tags so
the indenting is maintained.

On 6/8/06, Ben Nadel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Rob... Its upsetting that I just took the morning to try and get
 comfortable with Eclipse (and move away from my girl-on-the-side, Homesite)
 and already I have hit a road block that is fairly significant in terms of
 productivity. I have to start backspacing every tab that get's created, I
 might go insane.

 -ben
 ...
 Ben Nadel
 www.bennadel.com

 -Original Message-
 From: Rob Wilkerson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:06 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: CFEclipse tabbing

 As mentioned, I've attached my original post.  And it was Spike, not Mark,
 who kicked in the source code comments.  I don't know whether it's possible
 to reference a thread URL for this mailing list (or if so, how to do it), so
 I've added the relevant posts inline...

 My original question:

 Has anyone found a way to successfully turn off smart indenting in
 CFEclipse?  I have it unchecked in preferences, but that doesn't seem to
 make any difference.  For that matter, I should clarify what I'm doing since
 I'm not even entirely sure that that's the correct setting.

 For long tags with numerous attributes, I prefer to place each attribute
 after the first on its own line:

 input type=text
  id=mytext
  name=mytext
  value=
  ...
 /

 When I do so in CFEclipse, however, instead of automatically indenting to
 the level of the line above the new line is indented one level deeper.  For
 each line it's only one extra key press to back it up, but that's a lot of
 one extra key presses on any given page of code.

 Is this a bug or am I trying to use it incorrectly?

 Thanks.

 ==

 A snippet from one of Spike's responses:

 -- SNIP --
 To complicate matters further, the code that does the smart indenting and
 auto indenting is mingled with the code that does the auto closing of ,
 auto step-through of ,',# and , and all manner of other things that you
 might not notice happening.

 The whole thing really needs to be refactored because at the minute it's
 very hard to follow and almost impossible to modify without introducing
 bugs.

 On 6/8/06, Ben Nadel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Got a quick questions. I can't seem to get the tabbing right in
  Eclipse. I like to format tags like:
 
  cfsetting
  showdebugoutput=false
  requesttimeout=XX
  /
 
  If I try to do this (without backspacing anything), eclipse does this:
 
  cfsetting
  showdebugoutput=false
  requesttimeout=XX /
 
  As you can see the tabbing is CRAZY!! I tried turning off smart
  indenting, and turning it on as well, neither of them seem to make a
  difference. Is there another tabbing feature that I am not seeing
 somewhere?
 
  Also, is there a way that I can get CTRL+DELETE to delete all white
  space in front of it (like in HomeSite). In Eclipse it only seems to
  delete the next word. I tried removing the command (in the key setup)
  to delete the next word, but it still only does this behavior.
 
  Thanks!
 
  ...
  Ben Nadel
  www.bennadel.com
 
 
 



 

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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

2006-06-08 Thread Greg Luce
Ah, you made some modifications to an app once so you learned it. Gotcha.
I drove a Ford once and got lost. I guess Ford's suck. I'm going to build my
own car! :-)

Greg

On 6/8/06, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 you are just parroting blather you heard from
 someone. Ony overhead to FB is not for nothing. There is a purpose for
 all of it.

 No, I had to make some modifications once in a FB application, so I had
 to learn it.
 The only thing I can say is that if I had to rewrite the same app my way,
 (call it my own framework), it would have taken ten times less code,
 and it would
 take ten times less time for anyone else to get into it for a
 modification.

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Re: RDS in CFEclipse

2006-06-08 Thread Mark Drew
Sorry Tom,
The RDS Plugin is an Adobe (tm) product. It works well with CFEclipse  
but its not exactly *integrated* its all part of Eclipse though :)

MD

On 8 Jun 2006, at 16:05, Tom Chiverton wrote:

 On Thursday 08 June 2006 14:42, Nick Tong - TalkWebSolutions.co.uk  
 wrote:
 check out this post:
 http://succor.co.uk/index.cfm/2006/5/25/RDS-plugin-for-cfeclipse

 Ah ha.
 Buggered URL in the Beta3 docs :-)

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RE: User Friendly URLs for dynamic content

2006-06-08 Thread Ian Skinner
Then its a very simple and reliable matter of a cfquery, a cfloop, a 
cfdirectory and a cffile


This is what I do for www.sierraoutdoorrecreation.com.  Part of the publishing 
logic is to build pages for each entry.  The pages just consist of two lines of 
code:

cfset locationID = 13!--- The id of the location for this page to display. 
---
cfinclude template=locationTemplate.cfm

Then with a couple of cfdirectory and cffile tags I write that page out to my 
file system.



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Re: User Friendly URLs for dynamic content

2006-06-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
The only other option then is to use an ISAPI rewriter or short circut the 404 
handler. Fusion Authority uses the latter to produce the pages you see. Each is 
dynamic and does not need the .htm extension but I add it for better search 
engine presence. Google seems to like the idea of thousands of files a lot 
better than thousands of directories.

Hey Michael,

I have seen that article before and I should start using that technique for
search engine stuff. The only thing my Marketing guy probably won't like
about it is that you're still putting 'someFileName.cfm' in there. Because
our product codes are actually only two letters he wants it like this (and
here is a real example ya'll can go to).

http://www.keystonesymposia.org/E6

Matt


On 6/8/06, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This article may help you. It's what I use for House of Fusion's URLs.

 http://www.fusionauthority.com/Techniques/4226-Search-Engine-Safe-SES-URLs.htm



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Re: User Friendly URLs for dynamic content

2006-06-08 Thread Rick Root
BlogCFM does it in what I think is a particularly nasty way.

Every time I create a new blog entry, it creates subdirectories for the 
year and month if they don't already exist, then creates a friendly 
filename based on the title of the blog entry, and creates the file in 
the created subdirectory on the server that essentially contains only 
two lines, one line that sets an ENTRY_ID variable and the other that 
does a cfinclude.

It requires the use of a CF mapping, and has been one of the more 
obnoxious things to support.

URL-rewriting is probably much friendlier.

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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

2006-06-08 Thread Jim
 I'm going to build my own car

cant help stick my nose in here and say thats a real bad analogy
everyday people change bits on fords to make them go faster, theres an 
industry built around it!

Also:
There is no app in the world that cant be refined

Also:
I much prefer to work on something I can google, like FB.
I cant google for how does gregs code  work (though this far down the 
line im not sure if you were pro or anti... )



Greg Luce wrote:
 Ah, you made some modifications to an app once so you learned it. Gotcha.
 I drove a Ford once and got lost. I guess Ford's suck. I'm going to build my
 own car! :-)

 Greg

 On 6/8/06, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 you are just parroting blather you heard from
 
 someone. Ony overhead to FB is not for nothing. There is a purpose for
 all of it.

 No, I had to make some modifications once in a FB application, so I had
 to learn it.
 The only thing I can say is that if I had to rewrite the same app my way,
 (call it my own framework), it would have taken ten times less code,
 and it would
 take ten times less time for anyone else to get into it for a
 modification.

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Re: CFEclipse tabbing

2006-06-08 Thread Mark Drew
Ben,

If this is a real issue, show stopper etc, head over to  
cfeclipse.tigris.org, register and add this as an issue in the issue  
tracker (if it isnt there)
We are working our way through the bugs.

One thing that I have to say is that saying I have hit a road block  
that is fairly significant in terms of productivity is a bit of an  
exaggeration surely?

Since we have limited resource would you like me to stop working on  
current features to fix this?

Personally I have maybe lived with this issue for 2 years without  
really being bothered by it... but if it is road block for you I  
shall see what I can do.


MD



On 8 Jun 2006, at 16:13, Ben Nadel wrote:

 Thanks Rob... Its upsetting that I just took the morning to try and  
 get
 comfortable with Eclipse (and move away from my girl-on-the-side,  
 Homesite)
 and already I have hit a road block that is fairly significant in  
 terms of
 productivity. I have to start backspacing every tab that get's  
 created, I
 might go insane.

 -ben
 ...
 Ben Nadel
 www.bennadel.com

 -Original Message-
 From: Rob Wilkerson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:06 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: CFEclipse tabbing

 As mentioned, I've attached my original post.  And it was Spike,  
 not Mark,
 who kicked in the source code comments.  I don't know whether it's  
 possible
 to reference a thread URL for this mailing list (or if so, how to  
 do it), so
 I've added the relevant posts inline...

 My original question:

 Has anyone found a way to successfully turn off smart indenting in
 CFEclipse?  I have it unchecked in preferences, but that doesn't  
 seem to
 make any difference.  For that matter, I should clarify what I'm  
 doing since
 I'm not even entirely sure that that's the correct setting.

 For long tags with numerous attributes, I prefer to place each  
 attribute
 after the first on its own line:

 input type=text
  id=mytext
  name=mytext
  value=
  ...
 /

 When I do so in CFEclipse, however, instead of automatically  
 indenting to
 the level of the line above the new line is indented one level  
 deeper.  For
 each line it's only one extra key press to back it up, but that's a  
 lot of
 one extra key presses on any given page of code.

 Is this a bug or am I trying to use it incorrectly?

 Thanks.

 ==

 A snippet from one of Spike's responses:

 -- SNIP --
 To complicate matters further, the code that does the smart  
 indenting and
 auto indenting is mingled with the code that does the auto closing  
 of ,
 auto step-through of ,',# and , and all manner of other things  
 that you
 might not notice happening.

 The whole thing really needs to be refactored because at the minute  
 it's
 very hard to follow and almost impossible to modify without  
 introducing
 bugs.

 On 6/8/06, Ben Nadel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Got a quick questions. I can't seem to get the tabbing right in
 Eclipse. I like to format tags like:

 cfsetting
 showdebugoutput=false
 requesttimeout=XX
 /

 If I try to do this (without backspacing anything), eclipse does  
 this:

 cfsetting
 showdebugoutput=false
 requesttimeout=XX /

 As you can see the tabbing is CRAZY!! I tried turning off smart
 indenting, and turning it on as well, neither of them seem to make a
 difference. Is there another tabbing feature that I am not seeing
 somewhere?

 Also, is there a way that I can get CTRL+DELETE to delete all white
 space in front of it (like in HomeSite). In Eclipse it only seems to
 delete the next word. I tried removing the command (in the key setup)
 to delete the next word, but it still only does this behavior.

 Thanks!

 ...
 Ben Nadel
 www.bennadel.com






 

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RE: Reopening timed out cfftp connection ..

2006-06-08 Thread Munson, Jacob
 I agree. If the docs say one thing, and it does another 
 either the docs or CF 
 are broken.

This is a common problem with software that was made by humans.  :)
People want everybody to use their software, and thus they don't like to
advertise their software's weaknesses.  I, for one, am very impressed
and will use software that has documented weaknesses, but it's extremely
rare.  I'm guilty of this too.  I'd be pleased as punch if /all/ CF
developers used CFQuickDocs, but I know it's got drawbacks (Ex., funky
formatting in some result pages).  But I don't go around telling
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RE: User Friendly URLs for dynamic content

2006-06-08 Thread kola.oyedeji
I'm curious, does it still work if you have a blog title with a \  in the
title? ;-)

K



 -Original Message-
 From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 08 June 2006 16:03
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: User Friendly URLs for dynamic content
 
 BlogCFM does it in what I think is a particularly nasty way.
 
 Every time I create a new blog entry, it creates subdirectories for the
 year and month if they don't already exist, then creates a friendly
 filename based on the title of the blog entry, and creates the file in
 the created subdirectory on the server that essentially contains only
 two lines, one line that sets an ENTRY_ID variable and the other that
 does a cfinclude.
 
 It requires the use of a CF mapping, and has been one of the more
 obnoxious things to support.
 
 URL-rewriting is probably much friendlier.
 
 Rick
 
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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

2006-06-08 Thread Nick Tong - TalkWebSolutions.co.uk
Just curious - how many people reading this would say that they are
confident with FB and that they think it sucks?

On 08/06/06, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm going to build my own car

 cant help stick my nose in here and say thats a real bad analogy
 everyday people change bits on fords to make them go faster, theres an
 industry built around it!

 Also:
 There is no app in the world that cant be refined

 Also:
 I much prefer to work on something I can google, like FB.
 I cant google for how does gregs code  work (though this far down the
 line im not sure if you were pro or anti... )



 Greg Luce wrote:
  Ah, you made some modifications to an app once so you learned it.
 Gotcha.
  I drove a Ford once and got lost. I guess Ford's suck. I'm going to
 build my
  own car! :-)
 
  Greg
 
  On 6/8/06, Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  you are just parroting blather you heard from
 
  someone. Ony overhead to FB is not for nothing. There is a purpose
 for
  all of it.
 
  No, I had to make some modifications once in a FB application, so I had
  to learn it.
  The only thing I can say is that if I had to rewrite the same app my
 way,
  (call it my own framework), it would have taken ten times less code,
  and it would
  take ten times less time for anyone else to get into it for a
  modification.
 
  --
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  See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm
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Re: CFEclipse tabbing

2006-06-08 Thread Nick Tong - TalkWebSolutions.co.uk
I find it saves me having to go to the gym... finger workout anyone ;)  But
really i do haev to agree with Mark I don't think it's a stop stopper.

On 08/06/06, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ben,

 If this is a real issue, show stopper etc, head over to
 cfeclipse.tigris.org, register and add this as an issue in the issue
 tracker (if it isnt there)
 We are working our way through the bugs.

 One thing that I have to say is that saying I have hit a road block
 that is fairly significant in terms of productivity is a bit of an
 exaggeration surely?

 Since we have limited resource would you like me to stop working on
 current features to fix this?

 Personally I have maybe lived with this issue for 2 years without
 really being bothered by it... but if it is road block for you I
 shall see what I can do.


 MD



 On 8 Jun 2006, at 16:13, Ben Nadel wrote:

  Thanks Rob... Its upsetting that I just took the morning to try and
  get
  comfortable with Eclipse (and move away from my girl-on-the-side,
  Homesite)
  and already I have hit a road block that is fairly significant in
  terms of
  productivity. I have to start backspacing every tab that get's
  created, I
  might go insane.
 
  -ben
  ...
  Ben Nadel
  www.bennadel.com
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Rob Wilkerson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:06 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: CFEclipse tabbing
 
  As mentioned, I've attached my original post.  And it was Spike,
  not Mark,
  who kicked in the source code comments.  I don't know whether it's
  possible
  to reference a thread URL for this mailing list (or if so, how to
  do it), so
  I've added the relevant posts inline...
 
  My original question:
 
  Has anyone found a way to successfully turn off smart indenting in
  CFEclipse?  I have it unchecked in preferences, but that doesn't
  seem to
  make any difference.  For that matter, I should clarify what I'm
  doing since
  I'm not even entirely sure that that's the correct setting.
 
  For long tags with numerous attributes, I prefer to place each
  attribute
  after the first on its own line:
 
  input type=text
   id=mytext
   name=mytext
   value=
   ...
  /
 
  When I do so in CFEclipse, however, instead of automatically
  indenting to
  the level of the line above the new line is indented one level
  deeper.  For
  each line it's only one extra key press to back it up, but that's a
  lot of
  one extra key presses on any given page of code.
 
  Is this a bug or am I trying to use it incorrectly?
 
  Thanks.
 
  ==
 
  A snippet from one of Spike's responses:
 
  -- SNIP --
  To complicate matters further, the code that does the smart
  indenting and
  auto indenting is mingled with the code that does the auto closing
  of ,
  auto step-through of ,',# and , and all manner of other things
  that you
  might not notice happening.
 
  The whole thing really needs to be refactored because at the minute
  it's
  very hard to follow and almost impossible to modify without
  introducing
  bugs.
 
  On 6/8/06, Ben Nadel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Got a quick questions. I can't seem to get the tabbing right in
  Eclipse. I like to format tags like:
 
  cfsetting
  showdebugoutput=false
  requesttimeout=XX
  /
 
  If I try to do this (without backspacing anything), eclipse does
  this:
 
  cfsetting
  showdebugoutput=false
  requesttimeout=XX /
 
  As you can see the tabbing is CRAZY!! I tried turning off smart
  indenting, and turning it on as well, neither of them seem to make a
  difference. Is there another tabbing feature that I am not seeing
  somewhere?
 
  Also, is there a way that I can get CTRL+DELETE to delete all white
  space in front of it (like in HomeSite). In Eclipse it only seems to
  delete the next word. I tried removing the command (in the key setup)
  to delete the next word, but it still only does this behavior.
 
  Thanks!
 
  ...
  Ben Nadel
  www.bennadel.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

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Re: RDS in CFEclipse

2006-06-08 Thread Larry Lyons
 According to the docs on the labs site, CFEclipse should talk RDS now, 
 yet 
 despite upgrading to the latest stable, I don't see the new menu 
 options.
 
 Anyone else getting this, working or not ?
 -- 
 Tom Chiverton
 

It took me a short while, but I managed to get it working just fine. After 
downloading the RDS plugin from the adobe labs site (to download go to 
http://www.antiwrap.com/?1012), you unzip the contents to the Eclipse plugin 
directory. Restart Eclipse and RDS support is installed.

Steve Erat also has some screenshots of the install process at 
http://www.antiwrap.com/?1013  

hth,
larry


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RE: Fusebox 4 Slow?

2006-06-08 Thread Eric Roberts
The big benefit of using frameworks is the structure it contains.  It allows
for more efficient coding in a team environment and also heads closer to an
object oriented model.  It organizes things very well and makes it easier to
find what you are looking for in the code.  Combined with a good solid
naming convention, adding, and modifying code/functionality is a lot easier
than just putting all of your code into a single directory.  That's my take
on it.  I personally use a modified version of fusebox...I don't use the
actual fusebox tags, but I use the methodology.  I am not going to find the
tags or the ability to install the tags for fusebox wherever I go, but I can
apply the methodology to sites to make them more efficiently organized.  I
would also say that however you structure your code beyond just dumping
everything into a single directory is a methodology and framework in itself.


Eric

-Original Message-
From: Nick Tong - TalkWebSolutions.co.uk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, 08 June 2006 03:42
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

Dave, I think you must have a browser sniffer that checks for any framework
string structures in URLs and limits your download speed - lol.  So are you
telling us that not one site using frameworks is fast??  If so can you give
some examples?

Model Glue has had some speed issues recently but Joe has spent a lot of
time tuning this and MG1.1 is a lot faster and Unity should be better still.

Now I am coming in this conversation a little late but one of the great
things I find about FWs is the scalability of them.  Unless you've spent a
lot of time implementing your own code structure/standards (personal
framework) then I'm sure you will run into issues with scaling.  Frameworks
handle this very well as they have been tried and tested.  This is just one
of the pros.

Frameworks aren't the be all and end all but they are a great starting point
for any project.  Check out what some people say about frameworks here:
http://succor.co.uk/index.cfm/2006/4/28/cfFrameworkscom-survey-results-What-
coldfusion-frameworks-are-used(more
analysis coming soon).

Nick

On 07/06/06, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 same connections I view everything else on, not like i use a special 
 one for cf framework sites only ;)~

 ~Dave the disruptor~

 
 From: Nathan Strutz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 2:40 PM
 To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
 Subject: Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

 Dave,

 Chack your network connections. Switch providers if it helps. Sounds 
 to me like every site you visit is slow.

 I know, I know, and i'm just kidding, but really, you've never seen a 
 speedy enough CF framework-driven or asp.net site?

 I've built and visited a number of each, most all quite fast (when on 
 good or local hardware). Therefore, check your connection. Maybe your 
 ISP is sending your signal through 14.4k modems. :D

 -nathan

 On 6/6/06, dave  wrote:
 
  Yeah that can be true and is a good point.
  I really want to get into model-glue but I still remember something 
  I
 read
  on here that was said, someone said that it was slow and the 
  responce
 was
  yeah but it's doing so much underneath, but the user doesn't care 
  what's underneath they want it fast.
 
  I'm assuming this is more or less the frameworks that use xml or so 
  it seems but then again I really haven't seen a .net app that's fast
 either.
 
  ~Dave the disruptor~
 



 



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RE: CFEclipse tabbing

2006-06-08 Thread Ben Nadel
Mark,

Please, by NO MEANS change what you are doing for my tabbing issues. That
would be silly, and make me feel bad. I can certainly post it as an issue on
the site. I didn't even know that was an option. I don't know a lot of
CF/Eclipse. 

Ok, maybe I am a bit extreme in my reaction. Agreed. But I think that it is
fueled by my frustration that I have tried CFEclipse a bunch of times, and I
can just never groove with it. There are a lot of things that I like about
it. I think it has better snippets and key short cuts than HS+. I know so
many people are moving to in, and I want to keep up with the new stuff...
And by not feeling comfortable with it, I get frustrated that I am falling
behind.

...
Ben Nadel 
www.bennadel.com

-Original Message-
From: Mark Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFEclipse tabbing

Ben,

If this is a real issue, show stopper etc, head over to
cfeclipse.tigris.org, register and add this as an issue in the issue tracker
(if it isnt there) We are working our way through the bugs.

One thing that I have to say is that saying I have hit a road block that is
fairly significant in terms of productivity is a bit of an exaggeration
surely?

Since we have limited resource would you like me to stop working on current
features to fix this?

Personally I have maybe lived with this issue for 2 years without really
being bothered by it... but if it is road block for you I shall see what I
can do.


MD



On 8 Jun 2006, at 16:13, Ben Nadel wrote:

 Thanks Rob... Its upsetting that I just took the morning to try and 
 get comfortable with Eclipse (and move away from my girl-on-the-side,
 Homesite)
 and already I have hit a road block that is fairly significant in 
 terms of productivity. I have to start backspacing every tab that 
 get's created, I might go insane.

 -ben
 ...
 Ben Nadel
 www.bennadel.com

 -Original Message-
 From: Rob Wilkerson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:06 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: CFEclipse tabbing

 As mentioned, I've attached my original post.  And it was Spike, not 
 Mark, who kicked in the source code comments.  I don't know whether 
 it's possible to reference a thread URL for this mailing list (or if 
 so, how to do it), so I've added the relevant posts inline...

 My original question:

 Has anyone found a way to successfully turn off smart indenting in 
 CFEclipse?  I have it unchecked in preferences, but that doesn't seem 
 to make any difference.  For that matter, I should clarify what I'm 
 doing since I'm not even entirely sure that that's the correct 
 setting.

 For long tags with numerous attributes, I prefer to place each 
 attribute after the first on its own line:

 input type=text
  id=mytext
  name=mytext
  value=
  ...
 /

 When I do so in CFEclipse, however, instead of automatically indenting 
 to the level of the line above the new line is indented one level 
 deeper.  For each line it's only one extra key press to back it up, 
 but that's a lot of one extra key presses on any given page of code.

 Is this a bug or am I trying to use it incorrectly?

 Thanks.

 ==

 A snippet from one of Spike's responses:

 -- SNIP --
 To complicate matters further, the code that does the smart indenting 
 and auto indenting is mingled with the code that does the auto closing 
 of , auto step-through of ,',# and , and all manner of other things 
 that you might not notice happening.

 The whole thing really needs to be refactored because at the minute 
 it's very hard to follow and almost impossible to modify without 
 introducing bugs.

 On 6/8/06, Ben Nadel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Got a quick questions. I can't seem to get the tabbing right in 
 Eclipse. I like to format tags like:

 cfsetting
 showdebugoutput=false
 requesttimeout=XX
 /

 If I try to do this (without backspacing anything), eclipse does
 this:

 cfsetting
 showdebugoutput=false
 requesttimeout=XX /

 As you can see the tabbing is CRAZY!! I tried turning off smart 
 indenting, and turning it on as well, neither of them seem to make a 
 difference. Is there another tabbing feature that I am not seeing
 somewhere?

 Also, is there a way that I can get CTRL+DELETE to delete all white 
 space in front of it (like in HomeSite). In Eclipse it only seems to 
 delete the next word. I tried removing the command (in the key setup) 
 to delete the next word, but it still only does this behavior.

 Thanks!

 ...
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 www.bennadel.com






 



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RE: CFEclipse tabbing

2006-06-08 Thread Russ
Mark, 

How's the talks with tigris coming for getting your CVS source tree?  Even
if you can't get it, it might be an option to just checkout the latest
revision and import that into subversion.  Then set up trac, and you're good
to go.  

I think this thread did a lot of service to CFEclipse by getting it out
there and having people talk about it.  Now that you've got the momentum,
try to get some more developers.  I'd be willing to take a stab at it, and
I'm also very familiar with setting up subversion and trac, so e-mail me if
you have any questions.  

Russ

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:04 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: CFEclipse tabbing
 
 Ben,
 
 If this is a real issue, show stopper etc, head over to
 cfeclipse.tigris.org, register and add this as an issue in the issue
 tracker (if it isnt there)
 We are working our way through the bugs.
 
 One thing that I have to say is that saying I have hit a road block
 that is fairly significant in terms of productivity is a bit of an
 exaggeration surely?
 
 Since we have limited resource would you like me to stop working on
 current features to fix this?
 
 Personally I have maybe lived with this issue for 2 years without
 really being bothered by it... but if it is road block for you I
 shall see what I can do.
 
 
 MD
 
 
 
 On 8 Jun 2006, at 16:13, Ben Nadel wrote:
 
  Thanks Rob... Its upsetting that I just took the morning to try and
  get
  comfortable with Eclipse (and move away from my girl-on-the-side,
  Homesite)
  and already I have hit a road block that is fairly significant in
  terms of
  productivity. I have to start backspacing every tab that get's
  created, I
  might go insane.
 
  -ben
  ...
  Ben Nadel
  www.bennadel.com
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Rob Wilkerson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:06 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: CFEclipse tabbing
 
  As mentioned, I've attached my original post.  And it was Spike,
  not Mark,
  who kicked in the source code comments.  I don't know whether it's
  possible
  to reference a thread URL for this mailing list (or if so, how to
  do it), so
  I've added the relevant posts inline...
 
  My original question:
 
  Has anyone found a way to successfully turn off smart indenting in
  CFEclipse?  I have it unchecked in preferences, but that doesn't
  seem to
  make any difference.  For that matter, I should clarify what I'm
  doing since
  I'm not even entirely sure that that's the correct setting.
 
  For long tags with numerous attributes, I prefer to place each
  attribute
  after the first on its own line:
 
  input type=text
   id=mytext
   name=mytext
   value=
   ...
  /
 
  When I do so in CFEclipse, however, instead of automatically
  indenting to
  the level of the line above the new line is indented one level
  deeper.  For
  each line it's only one extra key press to back it up, but that's a
  lot of
  one extra key presses on any given page of code.
 
  Is this a bug or am I trying to use it incorrectly?
 
  Thanks.
 
  ==
 
  A snippet from one of Spike's responses:
 
  -- SNIP --
  To complicate matters further, the code that does the smart
  indenting and
  auto indenting is mingled with the code that does the auto closing
  of ,
  auto step-through of ,',# and , and all manner of other things
  that you
  might not notice happening.
 
  The whole thing really needs to be refactored because at the minute
  it's
  very hard to follow and almost impossible to modify without
  introducing
  bugs.
 
  On 6/8/06, Ben Nadel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Got a quick questions. I can't seem to get the tabbing right in
  Eclipse. I like to format tags like:
 
  cfsetting
  showdebugoutput=false
  requesttimeout=XX
  /
 
  If I try to do this (without backspacing anything), eclipse does
  this:
 
  cfsetting
  showdebugoutput=false
  requesttimeout=XX /
 
  As you can see the tabbing is CRAZY!! I tried turning off smart
  indenting, and turning it on as well, neither of them seem to make a
  difference. Is there another tabbing feature that I am not seeing
  somewhere?
 
  Also, is there a way that I can get CTRL+DELETE to delete all white
  space in front of it (like in HomeSite). In Eclipse it only seems to
  delete the next word. I tried removing the command (in the key setup)
  to delete the next word, but it still only does this behavior.
 
  Thanks!
 
  ...
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  www.bennadel.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: CFEclipse tabbing

2006-06-08 Thread Barney Boisvert
I don't think you'll find much disagreement that CFEclipse is not the
best CFML editor out there.  Indentation issues are one example of
where if falls behind, and there are certainly others.  However, since
it's built on Eclipse, it's overall capabilities far extend any other
tool available, which makes up for the editor's shortcomings by
several orders of magnitude.

For example, if you need a CFML editor, Subversion integration, a high
powered XML editor, Ant support, and UML modelling, you can
buy/download several distinct tools and learn each one, or you can
buy/download several Eclipse plugins (CFEclipse being one) and have
all the tools you need in a single integrated application.

That's the real reason for using CFEclipse, if you ask me, because it
lets you effectively use a single tool for all your development tasks,
rather than switching around between multiple tools.  I'd rather have
to hit backspace a few extra times than have to be switching
applications all over the place, and not being able to, for example,
do SVN diffs for any file anytime I want, directly in my editor.

cheers,
barneyb

On 6/8/06, Ben Nadel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mark,

 Please, by NO MEANS change what you are doing for my tabbing issues. That
 would be silly, and make me feel bad. I can certainly post it as an issue on
 the site. I didn't even know that was an option. I don't know a lot of
 CF/Eclipse.

 Ok, maybe I am a bit extreme in my reaction. Agreed. But I think that it is
 fueled by my frustration that I have tried CFEclipse a bunch of times, and I
 can just never groove with it. There are a lot of things that I like about
 it. I think it has better snippets and key short cuts than HS+. I know so
 many people are moving to in, and I want to keep up with the new stuff...
 And by not feeling comfortable with it, I get frustrated that I am falling
 behind.

 ...
 Ben Nadel
 www.bennadel.com


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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

2006-06-08 Thread Claude Schneegans
 Ah, you made some modifications to an app once so you learned it.

I learned it sufficiently to use it and understand that I don't like it 
nor I need it.
Do you need to drive a Ford all your life to be able to say this car is 
not for you?

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Re: Fusebox 4 Slow?

2006-06-08 Thread Claude Schneegans
 everyday people change bits on fords to make them go faster, theres an
industry built around it!

Yeah, and there are even people who drive other cars ;-)

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RE: CFEclipse tabbing

2006-06-08 Thread Ben Nadel
Barneyb,

I agree that it is a very powerful editor in general. Which is why I am
actually very interested in moving over to it. I guess my problem is that I
am not a super-power user. I don't do all that extra stuff. So perhaps the
short comings are on my behalf, not completely on the editors behalf. I
should be using better coding techniques; things that will make me more
efficient.

...
Ben Nadel 
www.bennadel.com

-Original Message-
From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFEclipse tabbing

I don't think you'll find much disagreement that CFEclipse is not the best
CFML editor out there.  Indentation issues are one example of where if falls
behind, and there are certainly others.  However, since it's built on
Eclipse, it's overall capabilities far extend any other tool available,
which makes up for the editor's shortcomings by several orders of magnitude.

For example, if you need a CFML editor, Subversion integration, a high
powered XML editor, Ant support, and UML modelling, you can buy/download
several distinct tools and learn each one, or you can buy/download several
Eclipse plugins (CFEclipse being one) and have all the tools you need in a
single integrated application.

That's the real reason for using CFEclipse, if you ask me, because it lets
you effectively use a single tool for all your development tasks, rather
than switching around between multiple tools.  I'd rather have to hit
backspace a few extra times than have to be switching applications all over
the place, and not being able to, for example, do SVN diffs for any file
anytime I want, directly in my editor.

cheers,
barneyb

On 6/8/06, Ben Nadel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mark,

 Please, by NO MEANS change what you are doing for my tabbing issues. 
 That would be silly, and make me feel bad. I can certainly post it as 
 an issue on the site. I didn't even know that was an option. I don't 
 know a lot of CF/Eclipse.

 Ok, maybe I am a bit extreme in my reaction. Agreed. But I think that 
 it is fueled by my frustration that I have tried CFEclipse a bunch of 
 times, and I can just never groove with it. There are a lot of things 
 that I like about it. I think it has better snippets and key short 
 cuts than HS+. I know so many people are moving to in, and I want to keep
up with the new stuff...
 And by not feeling comfortable with it, I get frustrated that I am 
 falling behind.

 ...
 Ben Nadel
 www.bennadel.com


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RE: About CFC Path

2006-06-08 Thread Munson, Jacob
In my experience, you don't need a mapping that was created in the
CFAdmin to invoke a CFC.  Something that used to confuse me is that
people use the term mapping liberally, and it doesn't always mean the
thingies in the CFAdmin.  Often they are referring to the path that you
use to invoke the CFC, like coldfusion.clients.mycfcs.parseEmail.  As
long as you do the 'dotted notation mapping' correctly, a shared hosting
environment should work fine.

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 6:57 PM
 
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 have them be called by any application files on a Shared Hosting
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 I am using CF MX 7.0
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Re: User Friendly URLs for dynamic content

2006-06-08 Thread Rick Root
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm curious, does it still work if you have a blog title with a \  in the
 title? ;-)

It converts such characters to underscores.

pfththt ;)

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RE: About CFC Path

2006-06-08 Thread Russ
In this case, wouldn't you need to keep the cfc's under web root?

 -Original Message-
 From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:23 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: About CFC Path
 
 In my experience, you don't need a mapping that was created in the
 CFAdmin to invoke a CFC.  Something that used to confuse me is that
 people use the term mapping liberally, and it doesn't always mean the
 thingies in the CFAdmin.  Often they are referring to the path that you
 use to invoke the CFC, like coldfusion.clients.mycfcs.parseEmail.  As
 long as you do the 'dotted notation mapping' correctly, a shared hosting
 environment should work fine.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 6:57 PM
 
  Hi. Is there a way I can put all my CFCs in a separate folder, and
  have them be called by any application files on a Shared Hosting
  Service?
  My hosting service provider does not give access to the CF
  Administrator. So I need to know if I can set my CFC path in my
  application.cfm file?
  I am using CF MX 7.0
  Please help.
 
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CFUNITED-06 interview 23: Michael Dinowitz - Error handling in CF

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Speaking of cfeclipse/eclipse issues...

2006-06-08 Thread Eric Roberts
 
Mark...or anyone else more adept at eclipse than I (pretty much everyone
hehehe)...

Am I missing something or is the only option for ftp is to transfer a
folder?  I only need to transfer a file ;-)  I have been using cfeclipse for
the past few days on a project, and that is a major PIA when I have to use a
separate ftp program to upload files to the dev server (it's remote...so I
don't have network access and they don't have RDS access set up).  The only
way I can see to do it is to right click on the file, click export and then
select ftp.  Am I doing something wrong or not going about it the right way?

As far as the tabbing issue...at least now I know it was a bad flashback
when that happened heheheh...it's not a show stopper, but it does become a
PIA at times

Eric


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RE: CFEclipse tabbing

2006-06-08 Thread Eric Roberts
Apparently he hasn't read the archives of the past couple of weeks ROFL... 

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFEclipse tabbing

I don't think you'll find much disagreement that CFEclipse is not the best
CFML editor out there.  snipped


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Re: Reopening timed out cfftp connection ..

2006-06-08 Thread Jochem van Dieten
|Rens|  0 wrote:
 
 The FTP connection will be cached, so that I don't have to suffer from 
 the overhead of the connection process. I need to generate and FTP 
 almost 20.000 files in one request. The thing is that the remote FTP 
 deamon will disconnect me after 300 seconds (indicated by a '[pid 3812] 
 [netmasters2] FTP response: Client 192.168.5.15, 421 Timeout.').

Will it disconnect the data channel, the command channel or both?


 1. Try to upload the file using the existing connection
 2. If [1] fails, then close

That is based on the presumption that you can close the existing 
connection. I don't know anything about the implementation 
details of FTP in CF, but on the TCP layer just closing the 
connection can already take up to 4 minutes.


 and (re)open the existing connection

If closing fails, you can't reopen it.


 3. Try to upload it again
 
 In pseudo-code:
 
 cfftp action=open /
 
 cfif shitHappened
cfftp action=close /
cfftp action=open /
 /cfif


 I have been Google'ing for days now, but I can't figure out how to 
 reopen a connection that has been timed out. If anyone could tell me how 
 to do this, I would be very, very greatful ..

Start a brand new connection whenever you are disconnected and 
use that until you are disconnected again.

Jochem

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Re: User Friendly URLs for dynamic content

2006-06-08 Thread Matt Robertson
I use the 404 method mentioned earlier and it works like a charm.  I set IE to 
not check to see if a page exists, then I set up a 404 handler for CF.  Believe 
it or not I use CFHTTP to pull the dynamic page, and it has proven to be an 
unnoticeable load on a busy server.  There was a thread a few months back where 
I laid it all out and asked if there was a better way.  The cfhttp thing seemed 
loony but it turned out to be the best, most flexible solution.

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Re: cfopen?

2006-06-08 Thread Jordan Michaels
Rick Root wrote:
 FYI all, cfopen seems to be back online.
 
 Rick
 

Any idea as to what the problem was?

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Re: cfopen?

2006-06-08 Thread Brian Rinaldi
Interesting that the latest news is from 2004. It's too bad that this site
seems to have so many issues. Not from the perspective of it's down
regularly, but rather from a concept perspective, anyone have opinions on
why this site never caught on? Is it because the CF open source community is
too small at the moment? Is it because th efeatures are duplicated better
elsewhere on sites that are not CF specific? Is it something else entirely?
I am curious about people's opinions on this topic.
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On 6/8/06, Jordan Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Rick Root wrote:
  FYI all, cfopen seems to be back online.
 
  Rick
 

 Any idea as to what the problem was?

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 Warm regards,
 Jordan Michaels
 Vivio Technologies
 http://www.viviotech.net/
 Blue Dragon Alliance Member
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OT: ampersand in file name

2006-06-08 Thread Terry L Schmitt
I feel kinda goofy having to ask this...
I have a forum that allows attachments and downloading. I use 
URLEncodedFormat() for the file name, but when a file contains an 
ampersand, the user just gets a 404 error when trying to dl the file.

URLEncodedFormat() escapes the ampersand to %26 so the URL would be 
test1%261%2Edoc.
I've googled around and the consensus is that %26 should work, but it 
doesn't. Am I just going crazy or is this an IIS problem or should I just 
bite the bullet and not allow use of the ampersand character in uploaded 
file names?

T

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Re: cfopen?

2006-06-08 Thread Rick Root
Brian Rinaldi wrote:
 regularly, but rather from a concept perspective, anyone have opinions on
 why this site never caught on? Is it because the CF open source community is
 too small at the moment? Is it because th efeatures are duplicated better
 elsewhere on sites that are not CF specific? Is it something else entirely?
 I am curious about people's opinions on this topic.

Personally, I love using CFOPEN for bug tracking and file release and 
other such things.

I think a lot of other open source people in the CF community out 
there would just as happily upload a zip file to their own web site...

I've contemplated building my own application - maybe combining features 
of CFMBB with Ray's Lighthouse Pro app into a cfopen/sourceforge type 
web site but the project seems kind of intimidating =)

I'd move over to sourceforge but I personally have a strong dislike to 
their entire interface.

Rick

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RE: ampersand in file name

2006-06-08 Thread Kevin Aebig
Why not just swap out the character to a _?

!k

-Original Message-
From: Terry L Schmitt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: June 8, 2006 12:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: ampersand in file name

I feel kinda goofy having to ask this...
I have a forum that allows attachments and downloading. I use 
URLEncodedFormat() for the file name, but when a file contains an 
ampersand, the user just gets a 404 error when trying to dl the file.

URLEncodedFormat() escapes the ampersand to %26 so the URL would be 
test1%261%2Edoc.
I've googled around and the consensus is that %26 should work, but it 
doesn't. Am I just going crazy or is this an IIS problem or should I just 
bite the bullet and not allow use of the ampersand character in uploaded 
file names?

T



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RE: About CFC Path

2006-06-08 Thread Munson, Jacob
That's the way I do it, yes.  I'm not sure if it's required though.

 -Original Message-
 From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:10 AM
 
 In this case, wouldn't you need to keep the cfc's under web root?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:23 AM
  
  In my experience, you don't need a mapping that was created in the
  CFAdmin to invoke a CFC.  Something that used to confuse me is that
  people use the term mapping liberally, and it doesn't 
 always mean the
  thingies in the CFAdmin.  Often they are referring to the 
 path that you
  use to invoke the CFC, like 
 coldfusion.clients.mycfcs.parseEmail.  As
  long as you do the 'dotted notation mapping' correctly, a 
 shared hosting
  environment should work fine.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 6:57 PM
  
   Hi. Is there a way I can put all my CFCs in a separate folder, and
   have them be called by any application files on a Shared Hosting
   Service?
   My hosting service provider does not give access to the CF
   Administrator. So I need to know if I can set my CFC path in my
   application.cfm file?
   I am using CF MX 7.0
   Please help.

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RE: About CFC Path

2006-06-08 Thread Russ
I think that if you don't have mappings in cf admin, it will have to be
under the web root, which might be a security risk since now people can call
your cfc's directly from the browser.  We keep all our code above the web
root, the only thing inside the web root is the main.cfm tempate and
application.cfm.  

Russ

 -Original Message-
 From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:52 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: About CFC Path
 
 That's the way I do it, yes.  I'm not sure if it's required though.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:10 AM
 
  In this case, wouldn't you need to keep the cfc's under web root?
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Munson, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:23 AM
  
   In my experience, you don't need a mapping that was created in the
   CFAdmin to invoke a CFC.  Something that used to confuse me is that
   people use the term mapping liberally, and it doesn't
  always mean the
   thingies in the CFAdmin.  Often they are referring to the
  path that you
   use to invoke the CFC, like
  coldfusion.clients.mycfcs.parseEmail.  As
   long as you do the 'dotted notation mapping' correctly, a
  shared hosting
   environment should work fine.
  
-Original Message-
From: Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 6:57 PM
   
Hi. Is there a way I can put all my CFCs in a separate folder, and
have them be called by any application files on a Shared Hosting
Service?
My hosting service provider does not give access to the CF
Administrator. So I need to know if I can set my CFC path in my
application.cfm file?
I am using CF MX 7.0
Please help.
 
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