RE: AOL?

[Lee Fuller]

We are as well.  Seems they're having some sort of trouble.



| -Original Message-
| From: Kris Pilles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
| Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 9:50 AM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: OT: AOL?
| 
| 
| Is anyone having any difficulty sending mail to AOL???  I 
| have been unable to send mail to aol for the past 2 days 
| My IPS are not blacklisted... I cannot figure this out...
| 
| Kris Pilles
| Website Manager
| Western Suffolk BOCES
| 507 Deer Park Rd., Building C
| Phone: 631-549-4900 x 267
| E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| 
| 
| 
~|
Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4
Subscription: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com

RE: AOL? (Resolved?)

[Lee Fuller]

Has anyone resolved the issue with AOL?  We are still completely unable
to send email to any AOL addresses.  Our servers are not on any lists
that we can find, and we RDNS perfectly.


~|
Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4
Subscription: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at 
http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm

RE: AOL? (Resolved?)

[Kris Pilles]

I am clueless about it

I called AOL and their tech advised me to make RDNS entries for every
domain then wait 24 hours and try again



-Original Message-
From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:26 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL? (Resolved?)


Has anyone resolved the issue with AOL?  We are still completely unable
to send email to any AOL addresses.  Our servers are not on any lists
that we can find, and we RDNS perfectly.



~|
Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4
Subscription: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at 
http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm

RE: AOL? (Resolved?)

[Lee Fuller]

Did they say that they had implemented a change, or what they're doing?
This is completely irresponsible of a network administration to simply
implement something that could effect millions, without so much as a
warning, URL as to where we could find info... SOMEthing.

Completely insane

| -Original Message-
| From: Kris Pilles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
| Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 11:30 AM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: RE: AOL? (Resolved?)
| 
| 
| I am clueless about it
| 
| I called AOL and their tech advised me to make RDNS entries 
| for every domain then wait 24 hours and try again
| 
| 
| 
| -Original Message-
| From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
| Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:26 PM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: RE: AOL? (Resolved?)
| 
| 
| Has anyone resolved the issue with AOL?  We are still 
| completely unable to send email to any AOL addresses.  Our 
| servers are not on any lists that we can find, and we RDNS perfectly.
| 
| 
| 
| 
~|
Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4
Subscription: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com

RE: AOL? (Resolved?)

[Mark W. Breneman]

Is this a new issue?

I remember an AOL issue almost a year ago about cfmail being blocked by AOL
due to CF could be used as a Spam engine.  I did not verify that actually
happened or if it was just a rumor.

>From what I remember you could use a  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 1:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL? (Resolved?)


Did they say that they had implemented a change, or what they're doing?
This is completely irresponsible of a network administration to simply
implement something that could effect millions, without so much as a
warning, URL as to where we could find info... SOMEthing.

Completely insane

| -Original Message-
| From: Kris Pilles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
| Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 11:30 AM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: RE: AOL? (Resolved?)
|
|
| I am clueless about it
|
| I called AOL and their tech advised me to make RDNS entries
| for every domain then wait 24 hours and try again
|
|
|
| -Original Message-
| From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
| Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:26 PM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: RE: AOL? (Resolved?)
|
|
| Has anyone resolved the issue with AOL?  We are still
| completely unable to send email to any AOL addresses.  Our
| servers are not on any lists that we can find, and we RDNS perfectly.
|
|
|
|

~|
Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4
Subscription: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in 
ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm

RE: AOL? (Resolved?)

[Matt Robertson]

One of my client just mailed to their association membership. The list contains about 
4000 AOL addresses, and this isn't the first time they've done that.  While I add some 
cfmailparams to make the mailpiece more standards-compliant, I don't change the mailer 
name.  Deliveries went thru fine.

I cross-posted the advice one of you got from AOL to the Declude list (they're 
discussing the problem there, and on the Imail list as well) and their listmaster 
posted this back:

>FWIW, that may just be generic advice from AOL, and not 
>specific to the problem they are having. 

>For at least a year or two, AOL has used the lack of a 
>reverse DNS entry to penalize E-mail as part of their 
>"secret" (undocumented) anti-spam system.  The lack of a 
>reverse DNS entry by itself won't cause an E-mail to 
>be deleted by AOL, but it is used as part of their anti-spam 
>formula (along with the publicly documented system at 
>http://postmaster.info.aol.com, which bounces E-mail rather 
>than deleting it). 

---
Matt Robertson, MSB Designs, Inc.
http://mysecretbase.com - Retail
http://foohbar.org - ColdFusion Tools
---


-- Original Message --
from: "Mark W. Breneman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:04:09 -0600

>Is this a new issue?
>
>I remember an AOL issue almost a year ago about cfmail being blocked by AOL
>due to CF could be used as a Spam engine.  I did not verify that actually
>happened or if it was just a rumor.
>
>>From what I remember you could use a  the mail generator in the header of the email.
>
>Again, I did not verify that this works or if it was just a rumor.
>
>Mark W. Breneman
>-Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Developer
>-Network / Web Server Administrator
>  Vivid Media
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  www.vividmedia.com
>  608.270.9770
>
>-----Original Message-
>From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 1:42 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: AOL? (Resolved?)
>
>
>Did they say that they had implemented a change, or what they're doing?
>This is completely irresponsible of a network administration to simply
>implement something that could effect millions, without so much as a
>warning, URL as to where we could find info... SOMEthing.
>
>Completely insane
>
>| -Original Message-
>| From: Kris Pilles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>| Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 11:30 AM
>| To: CF-Talk
>| Subject: RE: AOL? (Resolved?)
>|
>|
>| I am clueless about it
>|
>| I called AOL and their tech advised me to make RDNS entries
>| for every domain then wait 24 hours and try again
>|
>|
>|
>| -Original Message-
>| From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>| Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:26 PM
>| To: CF-Talk
>| Subject: RE: AOL? (Resolved?)
>|
>|
>| Has anyone resolved the issue with AOL?  We are still
>| completely unable to send email to any AOL addresses.  Our
>| servers are not on any lists that we can find, and we RDNS perfectly.
>|
>|
>|
>|
>
>
~|
Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4
Subscription: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com

Re: AOL? (Resolved?)

[JLH All Turbo]

Aol just won over $7 million from a spamming company.. they are cracking
down.. I wouldn't be surprised ...

http://news.com.com/2100-1023-978019.html

Don't know if this has anything to do with this topic at all.

Jacob.
- Original Message -
From: "Mark W. Breneman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 3:04 PM
Subject: RE: AOL? (Resolved?)


> Is this a new issue?
>
> I remember an AOL issue almost a year ago about cfmail being blocked by
AOL
> due to CF could be used as a Spam engine.  I did not verify that actually
> happened or if it was just a rumor.
>
> From what I remember you could use a   the mail generator in the header of the email.
>
> Again, I did not verify that this works or if it was just a rumor.
>
> Mark W. Breneman
> -Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Developer
> -Network / Web Server Administrator
>   Vivid Media
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   www.vividmedia.com
>   608.270.9770
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 1:42 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: AOL? (Resolved?)
>
>
> Did they say that they had implemented a change, or what they're doing?
> This is completely irresponsible of a network administration to simply
> implement something that could effect millions, without so much as a
> warning, URL as to where we could find info... SOMEthing.
>
> Completely insane
>
> | -Original Message-
> | From: Kris Pilles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> | Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 11:30 AM
> | To: CF-Talk
> | Subject: RE: AOL? (Resolved?)
> |
> |
> | I am clueless about it
> |
> | I called AOL and their tech advised me to make RDNS entries
> | for every domain then wait 24 hours and try again....
> |
> |
> |
> | -Original Message-
> | From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> | Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:26 PM
> | To: CF-Talk
> | Subject: RE: AOL? (Resolved?)
> |
> |
> | Has anyone resolved the issue with AOL?  We are still
> | completely unable to send email to any AOL addresses.  Our
> | servers are not on any lists that we can find, and we RDNS perfectly.
> |
> |
> |
> |
>
> 
~|
Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4
Subscription: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at 
http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm

RE: AOL Problems

[Mike Brunt]

Oh AOL, so popular.  My problems with AOL related to their dynamic proxy
system, if this is still the same what happens is that the user IP Address
changes several times during a single-user-browser session hope that makes
sense.  So if any part of your application uses large amounts of client
identification or tracking, that could be an issue.

Hth...

Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO
Webapper
http://www.webapper.com
Downey CA Office
562.243.6255
AIM - webappermb

"Webapper - Making the NET work"


-Original Message-
From: Eric Homa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:02 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: AOL Problems


Hi,

Does anyone out there have experience with an AOL client?  I have a customer
whose site works fine for him at his office and also for the many other
clients that use the site but when he goes home and uses AOL he complains
that pages don't load.  He says that he gets blank screens.  Anyone
experience any of this or know which tags might cause this?

Thanks,

Eric Homa




__
This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for 
dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

Re: AOL Problems

[Jamie Jackson]

Could be an obsolete version of AOL, which:
 *may have problems with JPGs that have extra info, such as thumbnails
embedded
 *may not like your HTML. Have you flattened the page and run a
validator? Look for stray table tags.

Jamie


On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:02:07 -0700, in cf-talk you wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Does anyone out there have experience with an AOL client?  I have a customer
>whose site works fine for him at his office and also for the many other
>clients that use the site but when he goes home and uses AOL he complains
>that pages don't load.  He says that he gets blank screens.  Anyone
>experience any of this or know which tags might cause this?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Eric Homa
>
>
>
>
__
This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for 
dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL Problems

[jon]

Probably an HTML rendering error.

Have you validated the code? You might've forgotten to close something
somewhere... The AOL browser is extremely finicky about that stuff,
especially depending on the version he's uses. (AOL users, as a whole, do
not upgrade their browsers. ever.)

.. now, problems with AOL users, that's a whole different story altogether.

-- jon

-
jon roig
senior manager, online production
epilepsy foundation
phone: 215.850.0710
site:  http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Eric Homa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:02 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: AOL Problems


Hi,

Does anyone out there have experience with an AOL client?  I have a customer
whose site works fine for him at his office and also for the many other
clients that use the site but when he goes home and uses AOL he complains
that pages don't load.  He says that he gets blank screens.  Anyone
experience any of this or know which tags might cause this?

Thanks,

Eric Homa




__
Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more 
resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL Problems

[Dave Carabetta]

>Oh AOL, so popular.  My problems with AOL related to their dynamic proxy
>system, if this is still the same what happens is that the user IP Address
>changes several times during a single-user-browser session hope that makes
>sense.  So if any part of your application uses large amounts of client
>identification or tracking, that could be an issue.
>

I think AOL switched away from that a long time ago. They got too many 
complaints about the havoc it was causing. I did a test where I stayed 
logged in to AOL for a few hours and checked my IP address every so often, 
and I had the same IP for the entire session. However, when I logged out and 
then logged back in, I had a new IP address (which would make sense because 
I'm sure they don't "lease" addresses).

As for the blank pagesdon't know. But depending on the version of AOL 
he's using, he could still be using a version that doesn't use the IE 
engine. So I'd go back and triple check your code for missing table tags and 
that sort of stuff. I know the old AOL browsers choked on it just like 
Netscape.

Regards,
Dave.


__
Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more 
resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

Re: AOL Problems

[Douglas Brown]

I believe that the newest version of AOL is using a Gecko
browser...We all know how that is. Anyhow, I would check over
the code very well and make sure their are no unclosed tags and
the such, I miss them sometimes myself. Have you tried your app
in all version of NS




Douglas Brown
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: "Eric Homa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:02 AM
Subject: AOL Problems


> Hi,
>
> Does anyone out there have experience with an AOL client?  I
have a customer
> whose site works fine for him at his office and also for the
many other
> clients that use the site but when he goes home and uses AOL
he complains
> that pages don't load.  He says that he gets blank screens.
Anyone
> experience any of this or know which tags might cause this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric Homa
>
>
>
>

__
Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more 
resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

Re: AOL Problems

[Kreig Zimmerman]

  - Original Message - 
  From: Eric Homa 
  To: CF-Talk 
  Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:02 PM
  Subject: AOL Problems


  Hi,

  Does anyone out there have experience with an AOL client?  I have a customer
  whose site works fine for him at his office and also for the many other
  clients that use the site but when he goes home and uses AOL he complains
  that pages don't load.  He says that he gets blank screens.  Anyone
  experience any of this or know which tags might cause this?

  Thanks,

  Eric Homa



  
__
Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in 
ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL Problems

[Katherine Maltby]

Haven't come across this on AOL so far.it's usually okay once you get
past all of the horrible windows that pop up everywhere! If you post the
link I'll take a look for you,

Kath

-Original Message-
From: Kreig Zimmerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 21 June 2002 16:37
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: AOL Problems


  - Original Message - 
  From: Eric Homa 
  To: CF-Talk 
  Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:02 PM
  Subject: AOL Problems


  Hi,

  Does anyone out there have experience with an AOL client?  I have a
customer
  whose site works fine for him at his office and also for the many other
  clients that use the site but when he goes home and uses AOL he complains
  that pages don't load.  He says that he gets blank screens.  Anyone
  experience any of this or know which tags might cause this?

  Thanks,

  Eric Homa



  

__
Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at 
http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

Re: AOL Problems

[Tim Painter]

Well, I used to run into an issue where if they were on a virtual host and did not 
have a dedicated IP address, AOL users  running old clients may not be able to see the 
site.  This was due to AOL not supporting HTTP 1.1 -- I haven't seen that in a while 
though.  

Tim P.

- Original Message - 
From: "Kreig Zimmerman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: AOL Problems


>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Eric Homa 
>   To: CF-Talk 
>   Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:02 PM
>   Subject: AOL Problems
> 
> 
>   Hi,
> 
>   Does anyone out there have experience with an AOL client?  I have a customer
>   whose site works fine for him at his office and also for the many other
>   clients that use the site but when he goes home and uses AOL he complains
>   that pages don't load.  He says that he gets blank screens.  Anyone
>   experience any of this or know which tags might cause this?
> 
>   Thanks,
> 
>   Eric Homa
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
__
Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more 
resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL Problems

[Randell B Adkins]

Well my first thought is considering AOL is backed with the Netscape
technology and I am pretty sure they have incorporate their browser
technology as the AOL Browser.

I would make sure that all TAGS are closed properly as Netscape is
not as forgiving as IE.

Try using Netscape to view your site.

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/21/02 11:46AM >>>
Haven't come across this on AOL so far.it's usually okay once you
get
past all of the horrible windows that pop up everywhere! If you post
the
link I'll take a look for you,

Kath

-Original Message-
From: Kreig Zimmerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 21 June 2002 16:37
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: AOL Problems


  - Original Message - 
  From: Eric Homa 
  To: CF-Talk 
  Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:02 PM
  Subject: AOL Problems


  Hi,

  Does anyone out there have experience with an AOL client?  I have a
customer
  whose site works fine for him at his office and also for the many
other
  clients that use the site but when he goes home and uses AOL he
complains
  that pages don't load.  He says that he gets blank screens.  Anyone
  experience any of this or know which tags might cause this?

  Thanks,

  Eric Homa



  


__
Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL Problems

[Adrian Lynch]

I thought AOL used IE?

-Original Message-
From: Randell B Adkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 21 June 2002 17:12
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL Problems


Well my first thought is considering AOL is backed with the Netscape
technology and I am pretty sure they have incorporate their browser
technology as the AOL Browser.

I would make sure that all TAGS are closed properly as Netscape is
not as forgiving as IE.

Try using Netscape to view your site.

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/21/02 11:46AM >>>
Haven't come across this on AOL so far.it's usually okay once you
get
past all of the horrible windows that pop up everywhere! If you post
the
link I'll take a look for you,

Kath

-Original Message-
From: Kreig Zimmerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 21 June 2002 16:37
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: AOL Problems


  - Original Message - 
  From: Eric Homa 
  To: CF-Talk 
  Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:02 PM
  Subject: AOL Problems


  Hi,

  Does anyone out there have experience with an AOL client?  I have a
customer
  whose site works fine for him at his office and also for the many
other
  clients that use the site but when he goes home and uses AOL he
complains
  that pages don't load.  He says that he gets blank screens.  Anyone
  experience any of this or know which tags might cause this?

  Thanks,

  Eric Homa



  



__
Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in 
ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

Re: AOL Problems

[Douglas Brown]

AOL has now started using Gecko as it's new browser...




Douglas Brown
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: "Adrian Lynch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:31 AM
Subject: RE: AOL Problems


> I thought AOL used IE?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Randell B Adkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 21 June 2002 17:12
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: AOL Problems
>
>
> Well my first thought is considering AOL is backed with the
Netscape
> technology and I am pretty sure they have incorporate their
browser
> technology as the AOL Browser.
>
> I would make sure that all TAGS are closed properly as
Netscape is
> not as forgiving as IE.
>
> Try using Netscape to view your site.
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/21/02 11:46AM >>>
> Haven't come across this on AOL so far.it's usually okay
once you
> get
> past all of the horrible windows that pop up everywhere! If
you post
> the
> link I'll take a look for you,
>
> Kath
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kreig Zimmerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 21 June 2002 16:37
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: AOL Problems
>
>
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Eric Homa
>   To: CF-Talk
>   Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:02 PM
>   Subject: AOL Problems
>
>
>   Hi,
>
>   Does anyone out there have experience with an AOL client?  I
have a
> customer
>   whose site works fine for him at his office and also for the
many
> other
>   clients that use the site but when he goes home and uses AOL
he
> complains
>   that pages don't load.  He says that he gets blank screens.
Anyone
>   experience any of this or know which tags might cause this?
>
>   Thanks,
>
>   Eric Homa
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

__
Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL Problems

[James Maltby]

AOL used Motzilla engine aka nutscrape, altho the latest version I
dunno

-Original Message-
From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 17:32
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL Problems


I thought AOL used IE?

-Original Message-
From: Randell B Adkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 21 June 2002 17:12
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL Problems


Well my first thought is considering AOL is backed with the Netscape
technology and I am pretty sure they have incorporate their browser
technology as the AOL Browser.

I would make sure that all TAGS are closed properly as Netscape is not as
forgiving as IE.

Try using Netscape to view your site.

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/21/02 11:46AM >>>
Haven't come across this on AOL so far.it's usually okay once you get
past all of the horrible windows that pop up everywhere! If you post the
link I'll take a look for you,

Kath

-Original Message-
From: Kreig Zimmerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 21 June 2002 16:37
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: AOL Problems


  - Original Message - 
  From: Eric Homa 
  To: CF-Talk 
  Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:02 PM
  Subject: AOL Problems


  Hi,

  Does anyone out there have experience with an AOL client?  I have a
customer
  whose site works fine for him at his office and also for the many other
  clients that use the site but when he goes home and uses AOL he complains
  that pages don't load.  He says that he gets blank screens.  Anyone
  experience any of this or know which tags might cause this?

  Thanks,

  Eric Homa



  




__
Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at 
http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL Problems

[James Maltby]

Actually check out this site - may be of some help:

http://webmaster.info.aol.com/

J

-Original Message-
From: James Maltby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 17:46
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL Problems


AOL used Motzilla engine aka nutscrape, altho the latest version I
dunno

-Original Message-
From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 17:32
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL Problems


I thought AOL used IE?

-Original Message-
From: Randell B Adkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 21 June 2002 17:12
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL Problems


Well my first thought is considering AOL is backed with the Netscape
technology and I am pretty sure they have incorporate their browser
technology as the AOL Browser.

I would make sure that all TAGS are closed properly as Netscape is not as
forgiving as IE.

Try using Netscape to view your site.

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/21/02 11:46AM >>>
Haven't come across this on AOL so far.it's usually okay once you get
past all of the horrible windows that pop up everywhere! If you post the
link I'll take a look for you,

Kath

-Original Message-
From: Kreig Zimmerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 21 June 2002 16:37
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: AOL Problems


  - Original Message - 
  From: Eric Homa 
  To: CF-Talk 
  Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:02 PM
  Subject: AOL Problems


  Hi,

  Does anyone out there have experience with an AOL client?  I have a
customer
  whose site works fine for him at his office and also for the many other
  clients that use the site but when he goes home and uses AOL he complains
  that pages don't load.  He says that he gets blank screens.  Anyone
  experience any of this or know which tags might cause this?

  Thanks,

  Eric Homa



  





__
Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more 
resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL Problems

[jon]

Yup. It does use IE...

.. and for awhile it looked like they were going to make the switch over to
Gecko with the next version, but now it doesn't look so likely.

-- jon

-
jon roig
senior manager, online production
epilepsy foundation
phone: 215.850.0710
site:  http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL Problems


I thought AOL used IE?

-Original Message-
From: Randell B Adkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 21 June 2002 17:12
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL Problems


Well my first thought is considering AOL is backed with the Netscape
technology and I am pretty sure they have incorporate their browser
technology as the AOL Browser.

I would make sure that all TAGS are closed properly as Netscape is
not as forgiving as IE.

Try using Netscape to view your site.

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/21/02 11:46AM >>>
Haven't come across this on AOL so far.it's usually okay once you
get
past all of the horrible windows that pop up everywhere! If you post
the
link I'll take a look for you,

Kath

-Original Message-
From: Kreig Zimmerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 21 June 2002 16:37
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: AOL Problems


  - Original Message -
  From: Eric Homa
  To: CF-Talk
  Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:02 PM
  Subject: AOL Problems


  Hi,

  Does anyone out there have experience with an AOL client?  I have a
customer
  whose site works fine for him at his office and also for the many
other
  clients that use the site but when he goes home and uses AOL he
complains
  that pages don't load.  He says that he gets blank screens.  Anyone
  experience any of this or know which tags might cause this?

  Thanks,

  Eric Homa








__
Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in 
ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

Re: AOL Problems

[Jon Hall]

Where did you get that information?

AOL 8.0 is in public beta right now, which uses the Mozilla engine.
Compuserve has made the switch already...

-- 
jon

Friday, June 21, 2002, 12:55:17 PM, you wrote:
j> Yup. It does use IE...

j> .. and for awhile it looked like they were going to make the switch over to
j> Gecko with the next version, but now it doesn't look so likely.

j> -- jon

j> -
j> jon roig
j> senior manager, online production
j> epilepsy foundation
j> phone: 215.850.0710
j> site:  http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org
j> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


j> -Original Message-
j> From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
j> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:32 PM
j> To: CF-Talk
j> Subject: RE: AOL Problems


j> I thought AOL used IE?

j> -Original Message-
j> From: Randell B Adkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
j> Sent: 21 June 2002 17:12
j> To: CF-Talk
j> Subject: RE: AOL Problems


j> Well my first thought is considering AOL is backed with the Netscape
j> technology and I am pretty sure they have incorporate their browser
j> technology as the AOL Browser.

j> I would make sure that all TAGS are closed properly as Netscape is
j> not as forgiving as IE.

j> Try using Netscape to view your site.

__
Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in 
ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL Problems

[jon]

Are you sure about that?

Here's an article that mentions that AOL's beta uses IE.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nf/20020613/tc_nf/18209

I could've sworn I saw something more definitive on slashdot a few weeks
ago, but I can't find it again. Maybe I just imagined it...

At any rate, I could be totally confused here.

-- jon



-Original Message-
From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 1:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: AOL Problems


Where did you get that information?

AOL 8.0 is in public beta right now, which uses the Mozilla engine.
Compuserve has made the switch already...

--
jon

Friday, June 21, 2002, 12:55:17 PM, you wrote:
j> Yup. It does use IE...

j> .. and for awhile it looked like they were going to make the switch over
to
j> Gecko with the next version, but now it doesn't look so likely.

j> -- jon

j> -
j> jon roig
j> senior manager, online production
j> epilepsy foundation
j> phone: 215.850.0710
j> site:  http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org
j> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


j> -Original Message-
j> From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
j> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:32 PM
j> To: CF-Talk
j> Subject: RE: AOL Problems


j> I thought AOL used IE?

j> -Original Message-
j> From: Randell B Adkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
j> Sent: 21 June 2002 17:12
j> To: CF-Talk
j> Subject: RE: AOL Problems


j> Well my first thought is considering AOL is backed with the Netscape
j> technology and I am pretty sure they have incorporate their browser
j> technology as the AOL Browser.

j> I would make sure that all TAGS are closed properly as Netscape is
j> not as forgiving as IE.

j> Try using Netscape to view your site.


__
Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in 
ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

Re: AOL Problems

[Jon Hall]

Sheesh, I'm like a week behind...and there has been no discussion of the in
Mozilla-land, strange. They released the Mozilla based beta in March, and
now they release an IE based beta. Maybe the Mozilla based AOL is bound for
only the non-Windows machines AOL wants to get into?

- Original Message -
From: "jon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:13 PM
Subject: RE: AOL Problems


> Are you sure about that?
>
> Here's an article that mentions that AOL's beta uses IE.
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nf/20020613/tc_nf/18209
>
> I could've sworn I saw something more definitive on slashdot a few weeks
> ago, but I can't find it again. Maybe I just imagined it...
>
> At any rate, I could be totally confused here.
>
> -- jon
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 1:35 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: AOL Problems
>
>
> Where did you get that information?
>
> AOL 8.0 is in public beta right now, which uses the Mozilla engine.
> Compuserve has made the switch already...
>
> --
> jon
>
> Friday, June 21, 2002, 12:55:17 PM, you wrote:
> j> Yup. It does use IE...
>
> j> .. and for awhile it looked like they were going to make the switch
over
> to
> j> Gecko with the next version, but now it doesn't look so likely.
>
> j> -- jon
>
> j> -
> j> jon roig
> j> senior manager, online production
> j> epilepsy foundation
> j> phone: 215.850.0710
> j> site:  http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org
> j> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> j> -Original Message-
> j> From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> j> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:32 PM
> j> To: CF-Talk
> j> Subject: RE: AOL Problems
>
>
> j> I thought AOL used IE?
>
> j> -Original Message-
> j> From: Randell B Adkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> j> Sent: 21 June 2002 17:12
> j> To: CF-Talk
> j> Subject: RE: AOL Problems
>
>
> j> Well my first thought is considering AOL is backed with the Netscape
> j> technology and I am pretty sure they have incorporate their browser
> j> technology as the AOL Browser.
>
> j> I would make sure that all TAGS are closed properly as Netscape is
> j> not as forgiving as IE.
>
> j> Try using Netscape to view your site.
>
>
> 
__
Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at 
http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

Re: AOL mayheim

[Brian bouldernet]

ServerID shows up in  the header. AOL has blocked this...
- Original Message -
From: Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: AOL mayheim


> At 07:58 10/10/00 -0600, you wrote:
> >You cannot email AOL using Cold Fusion Application Server... The default
> >serverid, You must change it.. Also it transforms all likes like Hotmail
to
> >single quote instead of doublequotes
>
> Can you tell me more about what you are talking about? I am familiar
> with CFMAIL and sending lots of mails in a loop, but have never heard
> of serverid. And when you say it transforms quotes, you mean like just
> in the body of the message? Like "Bob" would come through as 'Bob'?
> Thanks,
>
> Ryan
>
>

--
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

RE: AOL mayheim

[Warrick, Mark]

Hey Brian,

For those of us (such as myself) who apparently need new glasses, could you help us 
out with a link to that info you're talking about?

---mark


--
Mark Warrick
Phone: (714) 547-5386
Efax.com Fax: (801) 730-7289
Personal Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Personal URL: http://www.warrick.net 
Business Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Business URL: http://www.fusioneers.com
ICQ: 346566
--


> -Original Message-
> From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 6:58 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: AOL mayheim
> 
> 
> You cannot email AOL using Cold Fusion Application Server... The default
> serverid, You must change it.. Also it transforms all likes like 
> Hotmail to
> single quote instead of doublequotes
> - Original Message -
> From: Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:15 AM
> Subject: Re: CGI Referrer variable stream and AOL crap.
> 
> 
> > >Read up on all the crappy changes like blocked Cold Fusion Application
> > >server, and all that... http://webmaster.info.aol.com/
> >
> > I couldn't find anything here about blocked cold fusion... And I
> > tried searching for 'cold fusion', 'cold', and 'fusion' and still
> > found nothing... If AOL is blocking cfm pages somehow please tell
> > me about it.
> >
> > RPS
> >
> > 
> --
> 
> > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
> > To Unsubscribe visit
> http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
> send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
> the body.
> >
> 
> --
> 
> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
> To Unsubscribe visit 
> http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf
_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the 
body.

--
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebarRsts&bodyRsts/cf_talk or send a message 
to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

RE: AOL mayheim

[Simon Horwith]

I haven't been following this entire thread, but you've got to remember that
for all intents and purposes, AOL is a cached intranet.  AOL (or anyone
else) cannot cache pages that are dynamically changing based on database
content... or at the very least, they cannot keep very current copies of
dynamic sites on their network.From AOL's standpoint, the statement that
they are not "ColdFusion" friendly makes sense.

~Simon

-Original Message-
From: Warrick, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 2:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


Hey Brian,

For those of us (such as myself) who apparently need new glasses, could you
help us out with a link to that info you're talking about?

---mark


--
Mark Warrick
Phone: (714) 547-5386
Efax.com Fax: (801) 730-7289
Personal Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Personal URL: http://www.warrick.net 
Business Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Business URL: http://www.fusioneers.com
ICQ: 346566
--


> -Original Message-
> From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 6:58 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: AOL mayheim
> 
> 
> You cannot email AOL using Cold Fusion Application Server... The default
> serverid, You must change it.. Also it transforms all likes like 
> Hotmail to
> single quote instead of doublequotes
> - Original Message -
> From: Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:15 AM
> Subject: Re: CGI Referrer variable stream and AOL crap.
> 
> 
> > >Read up on all the crappy changes like blocked Cold Fusion Application
> > >server, and all that... http://webmaster.info.aol.com/
> >
> > I couldn't find anything here about blocked cold fusion... And I
> > tried searching for 'cold fusion', 'cold', and 'fusion' and still
> > found nothing... If AOL is blocking cfm pages somehow please tell
> > me about it.
> >
> > RPS
> >
> > 
> --
> 
> > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
> > To Unsubscribe visit
> http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
> send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
> the body.
> >
> 
> --
> 
> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
> To Unsubscribe visit 
> http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf
_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
'unsubscribe' in the body.


--
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
To Unsubscribe visit
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
the body.
--
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

RE: AOL mayheim

[John Allred]

Thanks for this insight, Simon. According to this logic, Cold Fusion would
not be singled out by AOL. It would not be friendly to any server
technology that presents dynamic pages based on database content, including
ASP, PHP, and Domino.

Can you or anyone else shed some light on just how far behind AOL's caching
is? For instance, if I have info on a site that changes daily, how long
will AOL users go between snapshots? This would help me explain to AOL
users what they're not seeing.

--John




   
 
Simon Horwith  
 
   
 
leaf.com>cc:   
 
 Subject: RE: AOL mayheim  
 
10/10/2000 
 
01:51 PM   
 
Please 
 
respond to 
 
cf-talk
 
   
 
   
 



I haven't been following this entire thread, but you've got to remember
that
for all intents and purposes, AOL is a cached intranet.  AOL (or anyone
else) cannot cache pages that are dynamically changing based on database
content... or at the very least, they cannot keep very current copies of
dynamic sites on their network.From AOL's standpoint, the statement
that
they are not "ColdFusion" friendly makes sense.

~Simon

-Original Message-
From: Warrick, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 2:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


Hey Brian,

For those of us (such as myself) who apparently need new glasses, could you
help us out with a link to that info you're talking about?

---mark


--
Mark Warrick
Phone: (714) 547-5386
Efax.com Fax: (801) 730-7289
Personal Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Personal URL: http://www.warrick.net
Business Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Business URL: http://www.fusioneers.com
ICQ: 346566
--


> -Original Message-
> From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 6:58 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: AOL mayheim
>
>
> You cannot email AOL using Cold Fusion Application Server... The default
> serverid, You must change it.. Also it transforms all likes like
> Hotmail to
> single quote instead of doublequotes
> - Original Message -
> From: Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:15 AM
> Subject: Re: CGI Referrer variable stream and AOL crap.
>
>
> > >Read up on all the crappy changes like blocked Cold Fusion Application
> > >server, and all that... http://webmaster.info.aol.com/
> >
> > I couldn't find anything here about blocked cold fusion... And I
> > tried searching for 'cold fusion', 'cold', and 'fusion' and still
> > found nothing... If AOL is blocking cfm pages somehow please tell
> > me about it.
> >
> > RPS
> >
> >
>
--
> 
> > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
> > To Unsubscribe visit
> http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk
or
> send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
> the body.
> >
>
> --
> 
> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
> To Unsubscribe visit
> http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf
_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
'unsubscribe' in the body.



--
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
To Unsubscribe visit
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
the body

RE: AOL mayheim

[Simon Horwith]

Boy, that's a tough one.  I'd ask the folks at AOL, to be honest.  Good luck
getting an answer anytime relatively soon, though.  If you are able to get
the stats from them regarding frequency of caching, etc., please do share
the numbers with this list.  I don't target AOL users, nor do I generally
even stop to think about what my site is going to look like to an AOL user,
to be honest.  However, AOL users do represent a large audience, and I
probably should be more concerned about how my clients' sites look to them.
If you discover any tips, tricks, or standard procedures for making a
dynamic site more "AOL friendly", I'd be interested in knowing about it, as
would many other folks on this list I'm sure.  You are correct in your
statement that AOL's problems are not ColdFusion specific, in regards to
their probable inability to cache dynamic sites.  These problems would exist
for any dynamic site technology, not just CF.  Until you get answers from
the folks at AOL, my best advice (if this is a real concern of yours) is to
post a little disclaimer for AOL users stating the possibility of outdated
material and the like, and let them know you're working on it.  Of course,
the best thing for you to do is to download and install a free AOL trial
membership, and view your site the way other AOL user would.

~Simon

-Original Message-
From: John Allred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


Thanks for this insight, Simon. According to this logic, Cold Fusion would
not be singled out by AOL. It would not be friendly to any server
technology that presents dynamic pages based on database content, including
ASP, PHP, and Domino.

Can you or anyone else shed some light on just how far behind AOL's caching
is? For instance, if I have info on a site that changes daily, how long
will AOL users go between snapshots? This would help me explain to AOL
users what they're not seeing.

--John




 

Simon Horwith


leaf.com>    cc:

 Subject: RE: AOL mayheim

10/10/2000

01:51 PM

Please

respond to

cf-talk

 

 




I haven't been following this entire thread, but you've got to remember
that
for all intents and purposes, AOL is a cached intranet.  AOL (or anyone
else) cannot cache pages that are dynamically changing based on database
content... or at the very least, they cannot keep very current copies of
dynamic sites on their network.From AOL's standpoint, the statement
that
they are not "ColdFusion" friendly makes sense.

~Simon

-Original Message-
From: Warrick, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 2:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


Hey Brian,

For those of us (such as myself) who apparently need new glasses, could you
help us out with a link to that info you're talking about?

---mark


--
Mark Warrick
Phone: (714) 547-5386
Efax.com Fax: (801) 730-7289
Personal Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Personal URL: http://www.warrick.net
Business Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Business URL: http://www.fusioneers.com
ICQ: 346566
--


> -Original Message-
> From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 6:58 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: AOL mayheim
>
>
> You cannot email AOL using Cold Fusion Application Server... The default
> serverid, You must change it.. Also it transforms all likes like
> Hotmail to
> single quote instead of doublequotes
> - Original Message -
> From: Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:15 AM
> Subject: Re: CGI Referrer variable stream and AOL crap.
>
>
> > >Read up on all the crappy changes like blocked Cold Fusion Application
> > >server, and all that... http://webmaster.info.aol.com/
> >
> > I couldn't find anything here about blocked cold fusion... And I
> > tried searching for 'cold fusion', 'cold', and 'fusion' and still
> > found nothing... If AOL is blocking cfm pages somehow please tell
> > me about it.
> >
> > RPS
> >
> >
>
--
> 
> > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
> > To Unsubscribe visit
> http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk
or
> send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'u

RE: AOL mayheim

[Ryan]

>Can you or anyone else shed some light on just how far behind AOL's caching
>is? For instance, if I have info on a site that changes daily, how long
>will AOL users go between snapshots? This would help me explain to AOL
>users what they're not seeing.

They have an FAQ on the mentioned developer site that talks about
how their cacheing works, and other things, etc.

RPS

--
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

RE: AOL mayheim

[Kevin Queen]

OK, I have watched this thread for the past two days and am now going to
magically solve the AOL caching issues for everybody.



http://webmaster.info.aol.com/index.cfm?article=12



Look, if you read the information provided by AOL in their ColdFusion based
webmaster information page they tell you how to cause their servers to not
cache.

P.S. - Has anybody read that book about the Spanish guy named Manuel, it
does help. ;)

Kevin Queen
Software Developer||""||
SyntheticLogic||__||
Atlanta, Ga   [ -=.]
  ===:0~

"Ah, I see!", said the blind man to the deaf mute.  -Unknown


-Original Message-
From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:20 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


Boy, that's a tough one.  I'd ask the folks at AOL, to be honest.  Good luck
getting an answer anytime relatively soon, though.  If you are able to get
the stats from them regarding frequency of caching, etc., please do share
the numbers with this list.  I don't target AOL users, nor do I generally
even stop to think about what my site is going to look like to an AOL user,
to be honest.  However, AOL users do represent a large audience, and I
probably should be more concerned about how my clients' sites look to them.
If you discover any tips, tricks, or standard procedures for making a
dynamic site more "AOL friendly", I'd be interested in knowing about it, as
would many other folks on this list I'm sure.  You are correct in your
statement that AOL's problems are not ColdFusion specific, in regards to
their probable inability to cache dynamic sites.  These problems would exist
for any dynamic site technology, not just CF.  Until you get answers from
the folks at AOL, my best advice (if this is a real concern of yours) is to
post a little disclaimer for AOL users stating the possibility of outdated
material and the like, and let them know you're working on it.  Of course,
the best thing for you to do is to download and install a free AOL trial
membership, and view your site the way other AOL user would.

~Simon

-Original Message-
From: John Allred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


Thanks for this insight, Simon. According to this logic, Cold Fusion would
not be singled out by AOL. It would not be friendly to any server
technology that presents dynamic pages based on database content, including
ASP, PHP, and Domino.

Can you or anyone else shed some light on just how far behind AOL's caching
is? For instance, if I have info on a site that changes daily, how long
will AOL users go between snapshots? This would help me explain to AOL
users what they're not seeing.

--John






Simon Horwith


leaf.com>cc:

 Subject: RE: AOL mayheim

10/10/2000

01:51 PM

Please

respond to

cf-talk








I haven't been following this entire thread, but you've got to remember
that
for all intents and purposes, AOL is a cached intranet.  AOL (or anyone
else) cannot cache pages that are dynamically changing based on database
content... or at the very least, they cannot keep very current copies of
dynamic sites on their network.From AOL's standpoint, the statement
that
they are not "ColdFusion" friendly makes sense.

~Simon

-Original Message-
From: Warrick, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 2:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


Hey Brian,

For those of us (such as myself) who apparently need new glasses, could you
help us out with a link to that info you're talking about?

---mark


--
Mark Warrick
Phone: (714) 547-5386
Efax.com Fax: (801) 730-7289
Personal Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Personal URL: http://www.warrick.net
Business Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Business URL: http://www.fusioneers.com
ICQ: 346566
--


> -Original Message-
> From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 6:58 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: AOL mayheim
>
>
> You cannot email AOL using Cold Fusion Application Server... The default
> serverid, You must change it.. Also it transforms all likes like
> Hotmail to
> single quote instead of doublequotes
> - Original Message -
> From: Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:15 AM
> Subject: Re: CGI Referrer variable stream and 

RE: AOL mayheim

[Gavin Myers]

so you'd want to do this then? (this is how they have it set up on the
webmaster.info.aol.com)

 



-Original Message-
From: Kevin Queen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


OK, I have watched this thread for the past two days and am now going to
magically solve the AOL caching issues for everybody.



http://webmaster.info.aol.com/index.cfm?article=12



Look, if you read the information provided by AOL in their ColdFusion based
webmaster information page they tell you how to cause their servers to not
cache.

P.S. - Has anybody read that book about the Spanish guy named Manuel, it
does help. ;)

Kevin Queen
Software Developer||""||
SyntheticLogic||__||
Atlanta, Ga   [ -=.]
  ===:0~

"Ah, I see!", said the blind man to the deaf mute.  -Unknown


-Original Message-
From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:20 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


Boy, that's a tough one.  I'd ask the folks at AOL, to be honest.  Good luck
getting an answer anytime relatively soon, though.  If you are able to get
the stats from them regarding frequency of caching, etc., please do share
the numbers with this list.  I don't target AOL users, nor do I generally
even stop to think about what my site is going to look like to an AOL user,
to be honest.  However, AOL users do represent a large audience, and I
probably should be more concerned about how my clients' sites look to them.
If you discover any tips, tricks, or standard procedures for making a
dynamic site more "AOL friendly", I'd be interested in knowing about it, as
would many other folks on this list I'm sure.  You are correct in your
statement that AOL's problems are not ColdFusion specific, in regards to
their probable inability to cache dynamic sites.  These problems would exist
for any dynamic site technology, not just CF.  Until you get answers from
the folks at AOL, my best advice (if this is a real concern of yours) is to
post a little disclaimer for AOL users stating the possibility of outdated
material and the like, and let them know you're working on it.  Of course,
the best thing for you to do is to download and install a free AOL trial
membership, and view your site the way other AOL user would.

~Simon

-Original Message-
From: John Allred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


Thanks for this insight, Simon. According to this logic, Cold Fusion would
not be singled out by AOL. It would not be friendly to any server
technology that presents dynamic pages based on database content, including
ASP, PHP, and Domino.

Can you or anyone else shed some light on just how far behind AOL's caching
is? For instance, if I have info on a site that changes daily, how long
will AOL users go between snapshots? This would help me explain to AOL
users what they're not seeing.

--John






Simon Horwith


        leaf.com>cc:

 Subject: RE: AOL mayheim

10/10/2000

01:51 PM

Please

respond to

cf-talk








I haven't been following this entire thread, but you've got to remember
that
for all intents and purposes, AOL is a cached intranet.  AOL (or anyone
else) cannot cache pages that are dynamically changing based on database
content... or at the very least, they cannot keep very current copies of
dynamic sites on their network.From AOL's standpoint, the statement
that
they are not "ColdFusion" friendly makes sense.

~Simon

-Original Message-
From: Warrick, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 2:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


Hey Brian,

For those of us (such as myself) who apparently need new glasses, could you
help us out with a link to that info you're talking about?

---mark


--
Mark Warrick
Phone: (714) 547-5386
Efax.com Fax: (801) 730-7289
Personal Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Personal URL: http://www.warrick.net
Business Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Business URL: http://www.fusioneers.com
ICQ: 346566
--


> -Original Message-
> From: Brian bouldernet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 6:58 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: AOL mayheim
>
>
> You cannot email AOL using Cold Fusion Application Server... The default
> serverid, You must change it.. Also it transforms all likes like
> Hotmail to
>

RE: AOL mayheim

[Bud]

On 10/11/00, Simon Horwith penned:
>Boy, that's a tough one.  I'd ask the folks at AOL, to be honest.

LOL

They're not even honest with their own webmaster, who is (or was) 
active on this list. I remember him swearing up and down that AOL 
doesn't cache anything with a ? in the URL. He even says that on 
their website.
-- 

Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations

_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.twcreations.com/
954.721.3452
--
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

Re: AOL mayheim

[Deanna L. Schneider]

I think AOL might be doing something funky with their caching servers where
dynamic content is concerned, anyway. AOL is hitting our server every three
seconds. Now, we're not that popular of a site, and it's used mostly by
internal folks (who do not have AOL accounts). AOL said it's because we have
a dynamic site, so they hit it more often. Go figure. (Our server admin did
actually speak to a human at AOL, but as far as I know, the frequency of
hits has not gone down. We've resorted to scheduling our front page to run
once a day and write out as html instead of cfm, to minimize some of the
load on the cf server. But, that only works if your content only changes
daily, like ours.)

-d




Deanna Schneider
Interactive Media Developer
UWEX Cooperative Extension Electronic Publishing Group
103 Extension Bldg
432 N. Lake Street
Madison, WI 53706
(608) 265-7923



--
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

Re: AOL mayheim

[Rob Keniger]

on 10/12/00 12:51 AM, Gavin Myers at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> OK, I have watched this thread for the past two days and am now going to
> magically solve the AOL caching issues for everybody.

Or you could use what I use, which is to append a random number as a dummy
argument to all urls, thus tricking the proxy cache into thinking all the
pages are different.
eg.

in application.cfm:


in template:

Click here to get the non-cached page


This works perfectly and requires no futzing around with meta tags.

-- 

Rob Keniger

big bang solutions




--
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

RE: AOL mayheim

[Larry Juncker]

On the contrary Gavin:

The very last note on the page states:

Site administrators may also use HTTP (not HTML META tags) cache control
headers that include the following:


- Cache-Control: no-store
User requested object from originating server

- Cache-Control: no-cache, no-store, private
Originating server has requested no caching

- Pragma: no-cache
Originating server has requested no caching


The specific information for configuring a web server is server-dependent.
However, the "Expires:" header is documented in the HTTP reference
documents, and can be found in the current standard for HTTP/1.0.

Miscellaneous
META HTTP-EQUIV tags in the content of web pages (in either HEAD or BODY)
cannot control the behavior of AOL's proxy caches. The proxy caches do not
read HTML.


Larry Juncker
Senior Cold Fusion Programmer
Heartland Communications Group, Inc.


-Original Message-
From: Gavin Myers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:51 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


so you'd want to do this then? (this is how they have it set up on the
webmaster.info.aol.com)





-Original Message-
From: Kevin Queen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


OK, I have watched this thread for the past two days and am now going to
magically solve the AOL caching issues for everybody.



http://webmaster.info.aol.com/index.cfm?article=12



Look, if you read the information provided by AOL in their ColdFusion based
webmaster information page they tell you how to cause their servers to not
cache.

P.S. - Has anybody read that book about the Spanish guy named Manuel, it
does help. ;)

Kevin Queen
Software Developer||""||
SyntheticLogic||__||
Atlanta, Ga   [ -=.]
  ===:0~

"Ah, I see!", said the blind man to the deaf mute.  -Unknown


-Original Message-
From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:20 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


Boy, that's a tough one.  I'd ask the folks at AOL, to be honest.  Good luck
getting an answer anytime relatively soon, though.  If you are able to get
the stats from them regarding frequency of caching, etc., please do share
the numbers with this list.  I don't target AOL users, nor do I generally
even stop to think about what my site is going to look like to an AOL user,
to be honest.  However, AOL users do represent a large audience, and I
probably should be more concerned about how my clients' sites look to them.
If you discover any tips, tricks, or standard procedures for making a
dynamic site more "AOL friendly", I'd be interested in knowing about it, as
would many other folks on this list I'm sure.  You are correct in your
statement that AOL's problems are not ColdFusion specific, in regards to
their probable inability to cache dynamic sites.  These problems would exist
for any dynamic site technology, not just CF.  Until you get answers from
the folks at AOL, my best advice (if this is a real concern of yours) is to
post a little disclaimer for AOL users stating the possibility of outdated
material and the like, and let them know you're working on it.  Of course,
the best thing for you to do is to download and install a free AOL trial
membership, and view your site the way other AOL user would.

~Simon

-Original Message-
From: John Allred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL mayheim


Thanks for this insight, Simon. According to this logic, Cold Fusion would
not be singled out by AOL. It would not be friendly to any server
technology that presents dynamic pages based on database content, including
ASP, PHP, and Domino.

Can you or anyone else shed some light on just how far behind AOL's caching
is? For instance, if I have info on a site that changes daily, how long
will AOL users go between snapshots? This would help me explain to AOL
users what they're not seeing.

--John






Simon Horwith


        leaf.com>cc:

 Subject: RE: AOL mayheim

10/10/2000

01:51 PM

Please

respond to

cf-talk








I haven't been following this entire thread, but you've got to remember
that
for all intents and purposes, AOL is a cached intranet.  AOL (or anyone
else) cannot cache pages that are dynamically changing based on database
content... or at the very least, they cannot keep very current copies of
dynamic sites on their network.From AOL's standpoint, the statement
that
they are not "ColdFusion" friendly makes sense.

~Simon

Re: AOL mayheim

[Mooner Ent]

> the best thing for you to do is to download and install a free AOL trial
> membership, and view your site the way other AOL user would.

Don't do this part!! They will require your credit card number, you'll
cancel the account before the trial is over, and then your credit card will
be billed until you find the correct 800 number to call them. Then you'll
argue with some one for a while. Your credit card will then be credited a
few months later. I've seen this happen time and again. Yet another reason I
hate AOL.

If you haven't already goto http://webmaster.aol.com/ and read their own
account on how fouled up they are.

I missed the original post, but one idea to help caching problems is to add
a unique number to your query string and have it change for each page.

Rick




_
Do You Yahoo!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

--
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

Re: AOL mayheim

[Gregory Harris]

Granted that at a former job, a big majority of customers for a website were AOL 
people, we decided that to test our sites, we'd bite the bullet, pay the $21.95/month 
and see how our sites looked through AOL's eyes.  It wasn't pretty, especially when 
that test account was actually hacked once, but we considered it a necessary evil.  To 
AOL: PLESEEE find another way

Gregory Harris
Los Angeles Information Technology Agency (ITA)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/11 10:08 AM >>>
> the best thing for you to do is to download and install a free AOL trial
> membership, and view your site the way other AOL user would.

Don't do this part!! They will require your credit card number, you'll
cancel the account before the trial is over, and then your credit card will
be billed until you find the correct 800 number to call them. Then you'll
argue with some one for a while. Your credit card will then be credited a
few months later. I've seen this happen time and again. Yet another reason I
hate AOL.

If you haven't already goto http://webmaster.aol.com/ and read their own
account on how fouled up they are.

I missed the original post, but one idea to help caching problems is to add
a unique number to your query string and have it change for each page.

Rick




_
Do You Yahoo!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com 

--
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ 
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

--
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebarRsts&bodyRsts/cf_talk or send a message 
to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

Re: AOL mayheim

[tom muck]

The number of AOL users is far greater than the number of Netscape users, and
web developers are jumping through hoops to be compatible with those users.  It
seems logical to test everything on AOL as well.

Also, you can get an unlimited AOL account for 9.95/month if you access it
through an ISP.

tom

- Original Message -
From: "Gregory Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: AOL mayheim


Granted that at a former job, a big majority of customers for a website were AOL
people, we decided that to test our sites, we'd bite the bullet, pay the
$21.95/month and see how our sites looked through AOL's eyes.  It wasn't pretty,
especially when that test account was actually hacked once, but we considered it
a necessary evil.  To AOL: PLESEEE find another way

Gregory Harris
Los Angeles Information Technology Agency (ITA)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



--
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

Re: AOL mayheim

[Mooner Ent]

> the best thing for you to do is to download and install a free AOL trial
> membership, and view your site the way other AOL user would.

Don't do this part!! They will require your credit card number, you'll
cancel the account before the trial is over, and then your credit card will
be billed until you find the correct 800 number to call them. Then you'll
argue with some one for a while. Your credit card will then be credited a
few months later. I've seen this happen time and again. Yet another reason I
hate AOL.

If you haven't already goto http://webmaster.aol.com/ and read their own
account on how fouled up they are.

I missed the original post, but one idea to help caching problems is to add
a unique number to your query string and have it change for each page.

Rick



_
Do You Yahoo!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

--
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

RE: AOL caching

[Philip Arnold - ASP]

> We are running some tests over here, trying to get AOL to cache *anything*
> of ours. We can't do it. Once the client-side caching in the browser is
> disabled, every request made through AOL comes to our servers.
> Whether it's
> cfm pages with no-cache headers,  .cfm pages w/o no-cache headers, images,
> htm pages with query strings, htm pages without query strings,
> they all come
> up the most recent versions (and we've put together some pretty agressive
> tests for that)
>
> We are doing this testing because we have been warned before on this list
> that we can't trust AOL's statement that it never caches pages
> containing a
> question mark or pages with no-cache headers. We wanted to test
> to make sure
> our headers worked, but since we can't even get the control group of pages
> to cache, it's a little hard to test.
>
> So the weird question of the day: Does anybody know how we can
> get AOL *to* cache pages of ours . . .

The simplest answer is not to use ? and & in the URL

Start using / (and either / = or . as the name/value separator)
Fusebox has a function to do this, or a simple bit of code will handle it

Philip Arnold
Director
Certified ColdFusion Developer
ASP Multimedia Limited
T: +44 (0)20 8680 1133

"Websites for the real world"

**
This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they
are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify
the system manager.
**


~~
Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at 
http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm

Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

Re: AOL Browser statistics

[Jochem van Dieten]

Robert Everland wrote:
> Does anyone know where there is a place that I can view the percentage of
> people on different versions of aol?

http://webmaster.aol.com/

Jochem

__
Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more 
resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL Browser statistics

[Robert Everland]

I have been here before, where exactly do they list statisitcs, I haven't
seen any.

Robert Everland III
Web Developer Extraordinaire
Dixon Ticonderoga Company
http://www.dixonusa.com 

-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 3:12 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: AOL Browser statistics


Robert Everland wrote:
> Does anyone know where there is a place that I can view the percentage 
> of people on different versions of aol?

http://webmaster.aol.com/

Jochem


__
This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for 
dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL Browser statistics

[Jochem van Dieten]

Quoting Robert Everland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> I have been here before, where exactly do they list statisitcs, I
> haven't seen any.

Match the listed browser identification (sub)strings against your 
webserver logs. I can tell you how many AOL browsers of each sort I see 
on my site, but that would hardly be relevant, would it?

Jochem

__
This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for 
dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL Browser statistics

[Robert Everland]

I was hoping I would be able to see statistics for the aol versions for an
email app I am making.

Robert Everland III
Web Developer Extraordinaire
Dixon Ticonderoga Company
http://www.dixonusa.com 

-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:02 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL Browser statistics


Quoting Robert Everland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> I have been here before, where exactly do they list statisitcs, I 
> haven't seen any.

Match the listed browser identification (sub)strings against your 
webserver logs. I can tell you how many AOL browsers of each sort I see 
on my site, but that would hardly be relevant, would it?

Jochem


__
Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at 
http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL Browser statistics

[Thomas Chiverton]

> I was hoping I would be able to see statistics for the aol versions for an
> email app I am making.

If it's because of DOM or other client side sripting issues:
The AOL browser is bascily just IE5.5, but may be Gecko on some platforms.
Write good complient HTML and you'll be fine.

Thomas Chiverton


__
Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in 
ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

Re: AOL Browser statistics

[Stephen Moretti]

> I was hoping I would be able to see statistics for the aol versions for an
> email app I am making.
>

There's a quick and easy way to fix that problem..

Any visiter with a UserAgent that contains AOL should be sent to a random
URL of any ISP in the world as long as its not AOL, BT or Compuserve.

Not that I think that AOL is the spawn of some nether region and should be
banished back to whence it came  ;oD



__
Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at 
http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL Browser statistics

[Robert Everland]

No I want aol versions, not browser versions.

Robert Everland III
Web Developer Extraordinaire
Dixon Ticonderoga Company
http://www.dixonusa.com 

-Original Message-
From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:13 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL Browser statistics


> I was hoping I would be able to see statistics for the aol versions 
> for an email app I am making.

If it's because of DOM or other client side sripting issues: The AOL browser
is bascily just IE5.5, but may be Gecko on some platforms. Write good
complient HTML and you'll be fine.

Thomas Chiverton



__
Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more 
resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL Browser statistics

[Candace Cottrell]

This might help

http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/browsers.htm

Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer 
The Children's Medical Center 
One Children's Plaza 
Dayton, OH 45404 
937-641-4293 
http://www.childrensdayton.org

 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/17/2002 9:20:40 AM >>>
No I want aol versions, not browser versions.

Robert Everland III
Web Developer Extraordinaire
Dixon Ticonderoga Company
http://www.dixonusa.com 

-Original Message-
From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:13 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL Browser statistics


> I was hoping I would be able to see statistics for the aol versions 
> for an email app I am making.

If it's because of DOM or other client side sripting issues: The AOL
browser
is bascily just IE5.5, but may be Gecko on some platforms. Write good
complient HTML and you'll be fine.

Thomas Chiverton




__
Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in 
ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

Re: AOL Email Guidelines?

[Howie Hamlin]

You might want to start here:

http://postmaster.info.aol.com/

HTH,

--
Howie Hamlin - inFusion Project Manager
On-Line Data Solutions, Inc. - www.CoolFusion.com  - 631-737-4668 x101
inFusion Mail Server (iMS) - The Award-winning, Intelligent Mail Server
>>> Find out how iMS Stacks up to the competition: 
>http://www.coolfusion.com/imssecomparison.cfm

- Original Message - 
From: "Joshua Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 12:49 PM
Subject: AOL Email Guidelines?


> I know this has been posted here 1000 times, but I can't seem to find
> any information in the mail archives ...
>  
> Where can I find guidelines for sending email to AOL users? Info about
> embedding links, graphics, etc.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Joshua Miller
> Web Development :: Programming
> Eagle Web Development LLC
> www.eaglewd.com  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (304) 622-5676 (Clarksburg Office)
> (304) 456-4942 (Home Office)
>  
> 
> 
__
Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

Re: AOL Email Guidelines?

[Jon Hall]

You might try http://postmaster.info.aol.com/

-- 
jon
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 12:49:31 PM, you wrote:

JM> I know this has been posted here 1000 times, but I can't seem to find
JM> any information in the mail archives ...
 
JM> Where can I find guidelines for sending email to AOL users? Info about
JM> embedding links, graphics, etc.

__
Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more 
resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL Email Guidelines?

[Joshua Miller]

Thanks for the link ... By the way, notice what that site says when you
start clicking around?

http://postmaster.info.aol.com/index.cfm?article=13&expand=0&sitenum=7&m
enuid=14

INDEX.CFM ... That's beautiful.

Joshua Miller
Web Development :: Programming
Eagle Web Development LLC
www.eaglewd.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(304) 622-5676 (Clarksburg Office)
(304) 456-4942 (Home Office)


-Original Message-
From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 1:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: AOL Email Guidelines?


You might try http://postmaster.info.aol.com/

-- 
jon
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 12:49:31 PM, you wrote:

JM> I know this has been posted here 1000 times, but I can't seem to 
JM> find any information in the mail archives ...
 
JM> Where can I find guidelines for sending email to AOL users? Info 
JM> about embedding links, graphics, etc.


__
This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for 
dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL Email Guidelines?

[Ilyinsky, Igor]

looks like the whole info.aol.com is running CF

http://webmaster.info.aol.com/index.cfm
http://stream.info.aol.com/
http://postmaster.info.aol.com/


IGOR  ILYINSKY
CREDIT|FIRST
SUISSE|BOSTON
GLOBAL WEB SERVICES


-Original Message-
From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 2:11 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL Email Guidelines?


Thanks for the link ... By the way, notice what that site says when you
start clicking around?

http://postmaster.info.aol.com/index.cfm?article=13&expand=0&sitenum=7&m
enuid=14

INDEX.CFM ... That's beautiful.

Joshua Miller
Web Development :: Programming
Eagle Web Development LLC
www.eaglewd.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(304) 622-5676 (Clarksburg Office)
(304) 456-4942 (Home Office)


-Original Message-
From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 1:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: AOL Email Guidelines?


You might try http://postmaster.info.aol.com/

-- 
jon
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 12:49:31 PM, you wrote:

JM> I know this has been posted here 1000 times, but I can't seem to 
JM> find any information in the mail archives ...
 
JM> Where can I find guidelines for sending email to AOL users? Info 
JM> about embedding links, graphics, etc.



__
Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in 
ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL Email Guidelines?

[Jeff Beer]

I just installed AOL 5.0 on Windows XP pro to test the text/x-aol mime
type for sending "rich text" compatible mail, and when I logged on to
AO-Hell was notified I can only use version 5.0 two more times because
(paraphrasing) "This version is not compatible with Windows XP - you
must upgrade immediately!!

That sucks..  I *really* don't want to have to uninstall 5.0, reinstall,
test a few times, then uninstall, reinstall, ad nauseaum...



-Original Message-
From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 1:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: AOL Email Guidelines?

You might try http://postmaster.info.aol.com/

-- 
jon
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 12:49:31 PM, you wrote:

JM> I know this has been posted here 1000 times, but I can't seem to
find
JM> any information in the mail archives ...
 
JM> Where can I find guidelines for sending email to AOL users? Info
about
JM> embedding links, graphics, etc.


__
Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at 
http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL Email Guidelines?

[jon roig]

It might be kind of extreme, but you could, theoretically, install virtual
pc and run a virtual windows 95 partition on your box for testing.

.. or just buy a pentium 1 from somewhere

-- jon

-Original Message-
From: Jeff Beer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 4:20 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL Email Guidelines?


I just installed AOL 5.0 on Windows XP pro to test the text/x-aol mime
type for sending "rich text" compatible mail, and when I logged on to
AO-Hell was notified I can only use version 5.0 two more times because
(paraphrasing) "This version is not compatible with Windows XP - you
must upgrade immediately!!

That sucks..  I *really* don't want to have to uninstall 5.0, reinstall,
test a few times, then uninstall, reinstall, ad nauseaum...



-Original Message-
From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 1:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: AOL Email Guidelines?

You might try http://postmaster.info.aol.com/

--
jon
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Wednesday, August 21, 2002, 12:49:31 PM, you wrote:

JM> I know this has been posted here 1000 times, but I can't seem to
find
JM> any information in the mail archives ...

JM> Where can I find guidelines for sending email to AOL users? Info
about
JM> embedding links, graphics, etc.



__
Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in 
ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

Re: AOL uses CF!

[Fred T. Sanders]

Old News.


- Original Message -
From: "Philip J. Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 3:48 PM
Subject: AOL uses CF!


> I found a section of AOL.COM that is driven by CF.  This section is linked
> from almost every page on AOL.COM ("webmaster info", on the bottom
> navigation)./
>
> Interesting because AOL = Netscape = Livewire = CF competition
>
> http://webmaster.info.aol.com
>
> PS- This section suffers from the SQL Server exposed URL parameter hack
> problem.  Now none of you kids go dropping any tables, you hear me?
>
> :)
>
> --

> Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
> To Unsubscribe visit
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
the body.

--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

Re: AOL uses CF!

[Brook Davies]

Didn't your mother teach you any Manners? Postings another sites 
vulnerability to a list of people you don't know? hmm..did you email the 
webmaster at AOL, that would have been a better idea. Do you have a 
website? What's the url? Can I look for hacks and post the results to a 
list your not a member of? Would you mind. geezh.

Also, you effectively shoot yourself in the foot when you post a hack to a 
CF site. If it get's hacked it looks bad on CF. They stop using CF, and 
next thing you know your client says "I don't want to use your CF solution 
cause I heard AOL just got hacked and aren't using CF anymore!".



At 04:48 PM 30/04/00 -0400, you wrote:
>I found a section of AOL.COM that is driven by CF.  This section is linked
>from almost every page on AOL.COM ("webmaster info", on the bottom
>navigation)./
>
>Interesting because AOL = Netscape = Livewire = CF competition
>
>http://webmaster.info.aol.com
>
>PS- This section suffers from the SQL Server exposed URL parameter hack
>problem.  Now none of you kids go dropping any tables, you hear me?
>
>:)
>
>--
>Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
>To Unsubscribe visit 
>http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or 
>send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in 
>the body.

--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

Re: AOL uses CF!

[Steve Reich]

As a community that promotes the use of CF as a scaleable, viable solution
for web applications, we should all hail Brook for making an excellent
point. Drawing attention to CF vulnerable sites is only killing our plight.


- Original Message -
From: "Brook Davies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: AOL uses CF!


> Didn't your mother teach you any Manners? Postings another sites
> vulnerability to a list of people you don't know? hmm..did you email the
> webmaster at AOL, that would have been a better idea. Do you have a
> website? What's the url? Can I look for hacks and post the results to a
> list your not a member of? Would you mind. geezh.
>
> Also, you effectively shoot yourself in the foot when you post a hack to a
> CF site. If it get's hacked it looks bad on CF. They stop using CF, and
> next thing you know your client says "I don't want to use your CF solution
> cause I heard AOL just got hacked and aren't using CF anymore!".
>
>
>
> At 04:48 PM 30/04/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >I found a section of AOL.COM that is driven by CF.  This section is
linked
> >from almost every page on AOL.COM ("webmaster info", on the bottom
> >navigation)./
> >
> >Interesting because AOL = Netscape = Livewire = CF competition
> >
> >http://webmaster.info.aol.com
> >
> >PS- This section suffers from the SQL Server exposed URL parameter hack
> >problem.  Now none of you kids go dropping any tables, you hear me?
> >
> >:)
> >
>
>---
---
> >Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
> >To Unsubscribe visit
> >http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk
or
> >send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
> >the body.
>
> --

> Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
> To Unsubscribe visit
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
the body.
>

--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

Re: AOL uses CF!

[Seth Petry-Johnson]

>As a community that promotes the use of CF as a scaleable, viable solution
>for web applications, we should all hail Brook for making an excellent
>point. Drawing attention to CF vulnerable sites is only killing our plight.


I can't say I agree wholeheartedly with this statement.  The sooner these
issues are brought to light the sooner they can be addressed.  I would much
rather bring the problem to light and have it fixed then sit back with my
fingers crossed hoping that the vulnerabilities aren't discovered.  If
Phillip (the original poster) discovers this vulnerability then other people
can too.  It seems to me that CF's reputation (and that of its users,
developers, and proponents) is better served by *fixing* any vulnerabilities
than by sweeping them under the rug, so to speak.

However, I don't mean to say that I agree with this vulnerability being
posted to the public forum in the manner that it was.  Out of professional
courtesy, if nothing else, someone that discovers a vulnerability in
another's site/application should contact the affected party *privately*
first, thus giving said party a chance to address the issue.  The implied
threat of a public announcement might help speed things along, however .

Now, to switch topics, what exactly is this "SQL Server exposed URL
parameter hack"?  This term doesn't ring any bells.  Is this a CF specific
issue?

Regards,
Seth Petry-Johnson
Argo Enterprise and Associates

--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

Re: AOL uses CF!

[Philip J. Kaplan]

> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:31:00 -0700
> From: Brook Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: AOL uses CF!
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Didn't your mother teach you any Manners? Postings another sites
> vulnerability to a list of people you don't know? hmm..did you email the
> webmaster at AOL, that would have been a better idea. Do you have a
> website? What's the url? Can I look for hacks and post the results to a
> list your not a member of? Would you mind. geezh.
>
> Also, you effectively shoot yourself in the foot when you post a hack to a
> CF site. If it get's hacked it looks bad on CF. They stop using CF, and
> next thing you know your client says "I don't want to use your CF solution
> cause I heard AOL just got hacked and aren't using CF anymore!".

I agree with you and have emailed [EMAIL PROTECTED] repeatedly about the
situation and have yet to see any results.  As for my thoughts regarding
posting vulnerabilities to a public forum such as this listserv: a) many
times the only way to get the attention of the offending parties (i.e.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]) is to tell the world (as I have yet to see a fix for the
AOL.com problem I reported to them many days ago.) and b) I would imagine
that of all the places I could post this vulnerability, the people on this
list would be least likely to exploit it, because as you said, it makes CF
looks bad, and we don't want that.

To quote the almighty l0pht:
"Why keep the vulnerabilities secret unless you are going to exploit them,
or perhaps trade them for something?"
http://www.l0pht.com/~oblivion/soapbox/index.html

Best,
Phil


--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

Re: AOL uses CF!

[Fred T. Sanders]

That's fine Philip so post it to a list/group that specializes in this sort
of thing and let them do it.
I think everyone is trying to say this type of post doesn't belong here,
that's all.

Fred

- Original Message -
From: "Philip J. Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 2:02 AM
Subject: Re: AOL uses CF!


> > Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:31:00 -0700
> > From: Brook Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: AOL uses CF!
> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Didn't your mother teach you any Manners? Postings another sites
> > vulnerability to a list of people you don't know? hmm..did you email the
> > webmaster at AOL, that would have been a better idea. Do you have a
> > website? What's the url? Can I look for hacks and post the results to a
> > list your not a member of? Would you mind. geezh.
> >
> > Also, you effectively shoot yourself in the foot when you post a hack to
a
> > CF site. If it get's hacked it looks bad on CF. They stop using CF, and
> > next thing you know your client says "I don't want to use your CF
solution
> > cause I heard AOL just got hacked and aren't using CF anymore!".
>
> I agree with you and have emailed [EMAIL PROTECTED] repeatedly about the
> situation and have yet to see any results.  As for my thoughts regarding
> posting vulnerabilities to a public forum such as this listserv: a) many
> times the only way to get the attention of the offending parties (i.e.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]) is to tell the world (as I have yet to see a fix for
the
> AOL.com problem I reported to them many days ago.) and b) I would imagine
> that of all the places I could post this vulnerability, the people on this
> list would be least likely to exploit it, because as you said, it makes CF
> looks bad, and we don't want that.
>
> To quote the almighty l0pht:
> "Why keep the vulnerabilities secret unless you are going to exploit them,
> or perhaps trade them for something?"
> http://www.l0pht.com/~oblivion/soapbox/index.html
>
> Best,
> Phil
>
>
> --

> Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
> To Unsubscribe visit
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
the body.

--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

Re: AOL uses CF!

[WBB]

I believe it's specific to SQL...CF or probably ANY other scripting backend
using ODBC as a transport would be vulnerable

> Now, to switch topics, what exactly is this "SQL Server exposed URL
> parameter hack"?  This term doesn't ring any bells.  Is this a CF specific
> issue?


--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

RE: AOL uses CF!

[CFM]

So I just wrote a post saying why I think everyone would benefit from being
nice to people on this list rather than being mean. But I don't want to add
any more fuel to another mini-flamewar. 

All I want to say is, we're a community who should be supporting each other,
and slapping people down when they bring us information that they're excited
about is really rude and exclusionary. Shutting people out or shouting them
down because you (think you) have more knowledge doesn't help anyone. If you
(this means anyone) can't understand that, then maybe it is you who doesn't
belong on this list.

I fully apologize now for appearing in any way rude, obnoxious, exclusive or
anything else you might thing i'm being. I just think we could all stand to
act a little more professional and kind, that's all.

cfm


 

-Original Message-
From: Fred T. Sanders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 1:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: AOL uses CF!


That's fine Philip so post it to a list/group that specializes in this sort
of thing and let them do it.
I think everyone (not everyone) is trying to say this type of post doesn't
belong here,
that's all.

Fred

- Original Message -
From: "Philip J. Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 2:02 AM
Subject: Re: AOL uses CF!


> > Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:31:00 -0700
> > From: Brook Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: AOL uses CF!
> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Didn't your mother teach you any Manners? Postings another sites
> > vulnerability to a list of people you don't know? hmm..did you email the
> > webmaster at AOL, that would have been a better idea. Do you have a
> > website? What's the url? Can I look for hacks and post the results to a
> > list your not a member of? Would you mind. geezh.
> >
> > Also, you effectively shoot yourself in the foot when you post a hack to
a
> > CF site. If it get's hacked it looks bad on CF. They stop using CF, and
> > next thing you know your client says "I don't want to use your CF
solution
> > cause I heard AOL just got hacked and aren't using CF anymore!".
>
> I agree with you and have emailed [EMAIL PROTECTED] repeatedly about the
> situation and have yet to see any results.  As for my thoughts regarding
> posting vulnerabilities to a public forum such as this listserv: a) many
> times the only way to get the attention of the offending parties (i.e.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]) is to tell the world (as I have yet to see a fix for
the
> AOL.com problem I reported to them many days ago.) and b) I would imagine
> that of all the places I could post this vulnerability, the people on this
> list would be least likely to exploit it, because as you said, it makes CF
> looks bad, and we don't want that.
>
> To quote the almighty l0pht:
> "Why keep the vulnerabilities secret unless you are going to exploit them,
> or perhaps trade them for something?"
> http://www.l0pht.com/~oblivion/soapbox/index.html
>
> Best,
> Phil
>
>
> --

> Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
> To Unsubscribe visit
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
the body.


--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
the body.
--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

RE: AOL and Caching

[Mike Sheldon]

The following has worked for me in preventing AOL from caching dynamic
pages. Note that this must be included in ALL pages you do not wish to be
cached. (I like to put it in Application.cfm)













Michael J. Sheldon
Internet Applications Developer
Phone: 480.699.1084
http://www.desertraven.com/
PGP Key Available on Request

-Original Message-
From: Skip Ogden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 18:55
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: AOL and Caching


I searched the archives (or should I say struggled through them) and found
nothing.

Is there something I need to know regarding CF and AOL? AOL seems to be
caching templates and serving them instead of pulling up the latest and
greatest.

Thanks in advance.

Skip Ogden




--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
the body.

--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

Re: AOL and CFMAIL

[Howie Hamlin]

There could be many reasons.  You'd need to check the logs of the mail server to get a 
good idea of what's happening.

Regards,

Howie

- Original Message - 
From: "Jeff Beer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 2:28 PM
Subject: AOL and CFMAIL


> Anyone know why AOL doesn't receive mail sent by CFMail (CF ver. 5.0).  is
> there a header issue I need to resolve or something?
> 
~~
Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more 
resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

Re: AOL and CFMAIL

[Les Mizzell]

While we're at it...

Anybody know of a way to install the AOL browser and ABSOLUTELY nothing else
that AOL installs so you can locally test sites without having to have an
AOL account?



--
Les Mizzell

"People need to realize that every time
they mention about how "fragile" our
planet is, it's like asking outer-space
aliens to come invade us."
Jack Handey


~~
Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

Re: AOL and CFMAIL

[Julia Green]

Go to www.aol.com, and as long as you know the person's login name
and password, you're in...

Julia Computer Consulting
Web Design @ Reasonable Prices
PO Box 279
Watertown MA  02471-0279
Email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.juliagreen.com
Phone:  617-926-3413
Fax:  617-812-5935

- Original Message -
From: "Les Mizzell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: AOL and CFMAIL


> While we're at it...
>
> Anybody know of a way to install the AOL browser and ABSOLUTELY nothing
else
> that AOL installs so you can locally test sites without having to have an
> AOL account?
>
>
>
> --
> Les Mizzell
>
> "People need to realize that every time
> they mention about how "fragile" our
> planet is, it's like asking outer-space
> aliens to come invade us."
> Jack Handey
>
>
> 
~~
This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for 
dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL and CFMAIL

[Dave Watts]

> Anybody know of a way to install the AOL browser and 
> ABSOLUTELY nothing else that AOL installs so you can 
> locally test sites without having to have an AOL account?

I don't know if that's possible, and I don't know how useful that kind of
test would be anyway. To ensure that something works acceptably through AOL,
you'd really have to have it go through AOL - through their network and
proxies. An AOL account is just one of the costs of testing.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
voice: (202) 797-5496
fax: (202) 797-5444
~~
Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

Re: AOL and CFMAIL

[tom muck]

You can get AOL for $4.95 a month if you limit your online activity to 3
hours a month.  That's usually enough for testing.

tom


> I don't know if that's possible, and I don't know how useful that kind of
> test would be anyway. To ensure that something works acceptably through
AOL,
> you'd really have to have it go through AOL - through their network and
> proxies. An AOL account is just one of the costs of testing.

~~
This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for 
dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL and IPs

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

That is how AOL worksit can change every 15 mins.  It is also fecking
annoying - especially when you have a Load Balancer working off sticky
sessions.

AOL has a proxy farm which changes its IP addresses frequently



-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 23 February 2005 16:27
To: CF-Talk
Subject: SOT: AOL and IPs

Hey All,

I just found something kind of odd in the web logs for one of our clients
and I'm wondering if any of the fine list membership can shed some light ;-)


There are a number of page requests from and AOL IP range (first 3 sets of
number the same...the last set changes).  It is obviously the same person
(based on their path through the site...and referring pages)...but the last
number in the IP changed every couple of minutes.  Do AOL users all get
funnelled through proxy servers or do their IPs change that fast?

TIA

Cheers

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.electricedgesystems.com



~|
Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking 
application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a 
client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account.
http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67

Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:196124
Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4
Unsubscribe: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54

RE: AOL and IPs

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

Some more info

http://webmaster.info.aol.com/proxyinfo.html



-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 23 February 2005 16:27
To: CF-Talk
Subject: SOT: AOL and IPs

Hey All,

I just found something kind of odd in the web logs for one of our clients
and I'm wondering if any of the fine list membership can shed some light ;-)


There are a number of page requests from and AOL IP range (first 3 sets of
number the same...the last set changes).  It is obviously the same person
(based on their path through the site...and referring pages)...but the last
number in the IP changed every couple of minutes.  Do AOL users all get
funnelled through proxy servers or do their IPs change that fast?

TIA

Cheers

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.electricedgesystems.com



~|
Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking 
application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a 
client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account.
http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67

Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:196125
Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4
Unsubscribe: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54

Re: AOL and IPs

[Phill B]

Can some one explain what the /number means at the end of the IP
addresses? I read the page but I didn't see anything that would
explain it. I thought they were trying to show the IP range but I have
AOL traffic out side of those ranges.

152.163.240.0/21
152.163.248.0/22
152.163.252.0/23
152.163.96.0/22
152.163.100.0/23


On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:27:12 -, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Some more info
> 
> http://webmaster.info.aol.com/proxyinfo.html
> 
>

~|
Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking 
application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a 
client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account.
http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67

Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:196161
Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4
Unsubscribe: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54

RE: AOL and IPs

[Mike Nicholls]

It's a way of representing subnet mask - it basically tells you how many
bits of the IP address are for the network portion.  It's a little
complicated and I'm no expert on it, but that should give you something to
Google for ;-)

-Original Message-
From: Phill B [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, 24 February 2005 8:49 a.m.
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: AOL and IPs

Can some one explain what the /number means at the end of the IP
addresses? I read the page but I didn't see anything that would
explain it. I thought they were trying to show the IP range but I have
AOL traffic out side of those ranges.

152.163.240.0/21
152.163.248.0/22
152.163.252.0/23
152.163.96.0/22
152.163.100.0/23


On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:27:12 -, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Some more info
> 
> http://webmaster.info.aol.com/proxyinfo.html
> 
>



~|
Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support 
efficiency by 100%
http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49

Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:196165
Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4
Unsubscribe: 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54

Re: AOL Server and CF

[cragrat]

> Anyone have any experience with this server? Good or bad. Know issues.


I personally haven't used it but I've heard rave reviews on its scalability. AOL
uses it and look how much traffic they get :-)

: David Nesbitt
: Web Production Specialist
: (e) [EMAIL PROTECTED]


--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

RE: AOL Server and CF

[Ellert, Charles]

I have been a huge fan of AOLServer for quite some time now.  Unfortunately,
I am no longer running it in production :( I've included a couple of links
for information about the server.  Talking about scalability, AOL receives
about 28000 hits per/second, and they use AOLserver.

http://www.photo.net/wtr/aolserver/introduction-1.html


http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-one-category.tcl?topic_id=21&category=Ao
lServer


Regards,
Charles


-Original Message-
From: Gary McNeel, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 5:48 PM
To: Cf-Talk
Subject: AOL Server and CF


Anyone have any experience with this server? Good or bad. Know issues.

Thanks.


Gary McNeel, Jr.
Project Manager - DAC-Net, Research & Graduate Studies
Rice University - Houston
[Lovett Hall] 713-348-6266 (Primary)
[DAC] 713-348-5184
[M] 713-962-0885
[H] 713-723-9240

"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre
minds."
   -Albert Einstein


--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
the body.
--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

Re: [RE: AOL and Caching]

[MATTHEW EHRENS]

AOL does not cache objects containing a Question Mark.  This is checked first,
regardless of file extension / mime type.  Most CFM's fall under this category
... however, your root page will probably not: ie: http://www.company.com/


Other than that, you can use those Cache-Control Headers Michael Sheldon
mentioned below.  You really should only need Cache-Control Headers for
objects that don't contain question marks...

More details on AOL's caching at:

http://webmaster.info.aol.com/index.cfm?article=12

Thanks,
Matt

--
"Mike Sheldon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The following has worked for me in preventing AOL from caching dynamic
pages. Note that this must be included in ALL pages you do not wish to be
cached. (I like to put it in Application.cfm)













Michael J. Sheldon
Internet Applications Developer
Phone: 480.699.1084
http://www.desertraven.com/
PGP Key Available on Request

-Original Message-
From: Skip Ogden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 18:55
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: AOL and Caching


I searched the archives (or should I say struggled through them) and found
nothing.

Is there something I need to know regarding CF and AOL? AOL seems to be
caching templates and serving them instead of pulling up the latest and
greatest.

Thanks in advance.

Skip Ogden




--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
the body.

--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the
body.



Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebarRsts&bodyRsts/cf_talk or send a message 
to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

RE: [RE: AOL and Caching]

[Mike Sheldon]

What AOL says, and what they actually do, are two completely different
things. Not only do they cache pages with URL variables, they cache form
submissions, cookies and HTTP authentication headers. I've had several of my
dynamic sites compromised in this way, and in one case had a serious
security violation caused by their caching of the HTTP authentication
headers.

AOL is not a good neighbor, and they do not act in good faith.

Michael J. Sheldon
Internet Applications Developer
Phone: 480.699.1084
http://www.desertraven.com/
PGP Key Available on Request

-Original Message-
From: MATTHEW EHRENS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 15:18
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [RE: AOL and Caching]



AOL does not cache objects containing a Question Mark.  This is checked
first,
regardless of file extension / mime type.  Most CFM's fall under this
category
... however, your root page will probably not: ie: http://www.company.com/


Other than that, you can use those Cache-Control Headers Michael Sheldon
mentioned below.  You really should only need Cache-Control Headers for
objects that don't contain question marks...

More details on AOL's caching at:

http://webmaster.info.aol.com/index.cfm?article=12

Thanks,
Matt

--
"Mike Sheldon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The following has worked for me in preventing AOL from caching dynamic
pages. Note that this must be included in ALL pages you do not wish to be
cached. (I like to put it in Application.cfm)













Michael J. Sheldon
Internet Applications Developer
Phone: 480.699.1084
http://www.desertraven.com/
PGP Key Available on Request

-Original Message-
From: Skip Ogden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 18:55
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: AOL and Caching


I searched the archives (or should I say struggled through them) and found
nothing.

Is there something I need to know regarding CF and AOL? AOL seems to be
caching templates and serving them instead of pulling up the latest and
greatest.

Thanks in advance.

Skip Ogden




--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
the body.


--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
the
body.



Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1

--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar

--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

RE: [RE: AOL and Caching]

[Ben Montanelli]

Mike,

Should there be some visible output in the view source of pages including
this? 

All I get is a bunch of carriage returns that I have to cfsetting out.

-Ben M.

>"Mike Sheldon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The following has worked for me in preventing AOL from caching dynamic
>pages. Note that this must be included in ALL pages you do not wish to be
>cached. (I like to put it in Application.cfm)
>
>
>
>
>   
>
>   
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Michael J. Sheldon
>Internet Applications Developer
>Phone: 480.699.1084
>http://www.desertraven.com/
>PGP Key Available on Request
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Skip Ogden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 18:55
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: AOL and Caching
>
>
>I searched the archives (or should I say struggled through them) and found
>nothing.
>
>Is there something I need to know regarding CF and AOL? AOL seems to be
>caching templates and serving them instead of pulling up the latest and
>greatest.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Skip Ogden
>
>
>
>
>--
>Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
>To Unsubscribe visit
>http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
>send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
>the body.
>
>
>--
>Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
>To Unsubscribe visit
>http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
>send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
>the
>body.
>
>
>
>Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
>
>--
>Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
>To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar
>
>---
---
>Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
>To Unsubscribe visit
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
the body.
>
--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

RE: [RE: AOL and Caching]

[Kevin Miller]

If this is true, this is a huge problem.  How do we get this
addressed?

Kevin

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/03/00 04:02PM >>>
What AOL says, and what they actually do, are two completely different
things. Not only do they cache pages with URL variables, they cache
form
submissions, cookies and HTTP authentication headers. I've had several
of my
dynamic sites compromised in this way, and in one case had a serious
security violation caused by their caching of the HTTP authentication
headers.

AOL is not a good neighbor, and they do not act in good faith.

Michael J. Sheldon
Internet Applications Developer
Phone: 480.699.1084
http://www.desertraven.com/ 
PGP Key Available on Request

-Original Message-
From: MATTHEW EHRENS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 15:18
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: [RE: AOL and Caching]



AOL does not cache objects containing a Question Mark.  This is
checked
first,
regardless of file extension / mime type.  Most CFM's fall under this
category
... however, your root page will probably not: ie:
http://www.company.com/ 


Other than that, you can use those Cache-Control Headers Michael
Sheldon
mentioned below.  You really should only need Cache-Control Headers
for
objects that don't contain question marks...

More details on AOL's caching at:

http://webmaster.info.aol.com/index.cfm?article=12 

Thanks,
Matt

--
"Mike Sheldon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The following has worked for me in preventing AOL from caching dynamic
pages. Note that this must be included in ALL pages you do not wish to
be
cached. (I like to put it in Application.cfm)













Michael J. Sheldon
Internet Applications Developer
Phone: 480.699.1084
http://www.desertraven.com/ 
PGP Key Available on Request

-Original Message-
From: Skip Ogden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 18:55
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: AOL and Caching


I searched the archives (or should I say struggled through them) and
found
nothing.

Is there something I need to know regarding CF and AOL? AOL seems to
be
caching templates and serving them instead of pulling up the latest
and
greatest.

Thanks in advance.

Skip Ogden




--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk 
To Unsubscribe visit
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk
or
send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe'
in
the body.


--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk 
To Unsubscribe visit
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk
or
send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe'
in
the
body.



Get free email and a permanent address at
http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 

--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk 
To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar 

--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk 
To Unsubscribe visit
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk
or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
'unsubscribe' in the body.
--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

Re: [RE: AOL and Caching]

[WBB]

I looked that page over...and notice that they don't cache ASP pages...so
why special treatment for ASP pages and not for CF, iHTML, PHP, and other
scripting engines?



>
> AOL does not cache objects containing a Question Mark.  This is checked
first,
> regardless of file extension / mime type.  Most CFM's fall under this
category
> ... however, your root page will probably not: ie: http://www.company.com/
> 
>
> Other than that, you can use those Cache-Control Headers Michael Sheldon
> mentioned below.  You really should only need Cache-Control Headers for
> objects that don't contain question marks...
>
> More details on AOL's caching at:
>
> http://webmaster.info.aol.com/index.cfm?article=12
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
> --
> "Mike Sheldon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The following has worked for me in preventing AOL from caching dynamic
> pages. Note that this must be included in ALL pages you do not wish to be
> cached. (I like to put it in Application.cfm)
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Michael J. Sheldon
> Internet Applications Developer
> Phone: 480.699.1084
> http://www.desertraven.com/
> PGP Key Available on Request
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Skip Ogden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 18:55
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: AOL and Caching
>
>
> I searched the archives (or should I say struggled through them) and found
> nothing.
>
> Is there something I need to know regarding CF and AOL? AOL seems to be
> caching templates and serving them instead of pulling up the latest and
> greatest.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Skip Ogden
>
>
>
> --
--
> --
> Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
> To Unsubscribe visit
> http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
> send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
> the body.
>
> --

> Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
> To Unsubscribe visit
> http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
> send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
the
> body.
>
>
> 
> Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
> --

> Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
> To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar
>

--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

RE: [RE: AOL and Caching]

[Jennifer]

The only thing I can think of is to give them a lot of bad press, but with 
all the reasons for their to be bad press about AOL it either isn't getting 
noticed by the media or it isn't having any effect on the customers. As 
long as their customers think this isn't a problem or think the problem is 
with our sites and not with AOL, AOL won't change this.

At 08:06 PM 5/3/00 -0500, you wrote:

>If this is true, this is a huge problem.  How do we get this
>addressed?
>
>Kevin
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/03/00 04:02PM >>>
>What AOL says, and what they actually do, are two completely different
>things. Not only do they cache pages with URL variables, they cache
>form
>submissions, cookies and HTTP authentication headers. I've had several
>of my
>dynamic sites compromised in this way, and in one case had a serious
>security violation caused by their caching of the HTTP authentication
>headers.
>
>AOL is not a good neighbor, and they do not act in good faith.
>
>Michael J. Sheldon
>Internet Applications Developer
>Phone: 480.699.1084
>http://www.desertraven.com/
>PGP Key Available on Request
>
>-Original Message-
>From: MATTHEW EHRENS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 15:18
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [RE: AOL and Caching]
>
>
>
>AOL does not cache objects containing a Question Mark.  This is
>checked
>first,
>regardless of file extension / mime type.  Most CFM's fall under this
>category
>... however, your root page will probably not: ie:
>http://www.company.com/
>
>
>Other than that, you can use those Cache-Control Headers Michael
>Sheldon
>mentioned below.  You really should only need Cache-Control Headers
>for
>objects that don't contain question marks...
>
>More details on AOL's caching at:
>
>http://webmaster.info.aol.com/index.cfm?article=12
>
>Thanks,
>Matt
>
>--
>"Mike Sheldon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The following has worked for me in preventing AOL from caching dynamic
>pages. Note that this must be included in ALL pages you do not wish to
>be
>cached. (I like to put it in Application.cfm)
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Michael J. Sheldon
>Internet Applications Developer
>Phone: 480.699.1084
>http://www.desertraven.com/
>PGP Key Available on Request
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Skip Ogden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 18:55
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: AOL and Caching
>
>
>I searched the archives (or should I say struggled through them) and
>found
>nothing.
>
>Is there something I need to know regarding CF and AOL? AOL seems to
>be
>caching templates and serving them instead of pulling up the latest
>and
>greatest.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Skip Ogden
>
>
>
>
>--
>Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
>To Unsubscribe visit
>http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk
>or
>send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe'
>in
>the body.
>
>
>--
>Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
>To Unsubscribe visit
>http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk
>or
>send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe'
>in
>the
>body.
>
>
>
>Get free email and a permanent address at
>http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
>
>--
>Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
>To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar
>
>--
>Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
>To Unsubscribe visit
>http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk
>or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
>'unsubscribe' in the body.
>--
>Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
>To Unsubscribe visit 
>http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or 
>send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in 
>the body.

--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

RE: [RE: AOL and Caching]

[Mike Sheldon]

No visible output. This just sets certain values in the HTTP headers that
tell the proxies not to cache the pages.

Michael J. Sheldon
Internet Applications Developer
Phone: 480.699.1084
http://www.desertraven.com/
PGP Key Available on Request

-Original Message-
From: Ben Montanelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 18:03
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [RE: AOL and Caching]


Mike,

Should there be some visible output in the view source of pages including
this?

All I get is a bunch of carriage returns that I have to cfsetting out.

-Ben M.

>"Mike Sheldon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The following has worked for me in preventing AOL from caching dynamic
>pages. Note that this must be included in ALL pages you do not wish to be
>cached. (I like to put it in Application.cfm)
>
>
>
>
>   
>
>   
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Michael J. Sheldon
>Internet Applications Developer
>Phone: 480.699.1084
>http://www.desertraven.com/
>PGP Key Available on Request
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Skip Ogden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 18:55
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: AOL and Caching
>
>
>I searched the archives (or should I say struggled through them) and found
>nothing.
>
>Is there something I need to know regarding CF and AOL? AOL seems to be
>caching templates and serving them instead of pulling up the latest and
>greatest.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Skip Ogden
>
>
>
>---
-
>--
>Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
>To Unsubscribe visit
>http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
>send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
>the body.
>
>---
-
>--
>Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
>To Unsubscribe visit
>http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
>send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
>the
>body.
>
>
>
>Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
>---
-
>--
>Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
>To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar
>
>---
---
>Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
>To Unsubscribe visit
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
the body.
>

--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
the body.

--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

RE: [RE: AOL and Caching]

[Mike Sheldon]

Use the header functions as outlined below. They work fine for prevention of
caching.

To a certain degree, it does not bother too much me that they cache dynamic
pages. I pretty much consider it my responsibility to set the headers
properly to tell the proxy that the page should not be cached.

However, caching cookies and http-authentication data is so obviously wrong
as to border on "criminal stupidity".

Michael J. Sheldon
Internet Applications Developer
Phone: 480.699.1084
http://www.desertraven.com/
PGP Key Available on Request

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 18:06
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [RE: AOL and Caching]



If this is true, this is a huge problem.  How do we get this
addressed?

Kevin

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/03/00 04:02PM >>>
What AOL says, and what they actually do, are two completely different
things. Not only do they cache pages with URL variables, they cache
form
submissions, cookies and HTTP authentication headers. I've had several
of my
dynamic sites compromised in this way, and in one case had a serious
security violation caused by their caching of the HTTP authentication
headers.

AOL is not a good neighbor, and they do not act in good faith.

Michael J. Sheldon
Internet Applications Developer
Phone: 480.699.1084
http://www.desertraven.com/
PGP Key Available on Request

-Original Message-
From: MATTHEW EHRENS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 15:18
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [RE: AOL and Caching]



AOL does not cache objects containing a Question Mark.  This is
checked
first,
regardless of file extension / mime type.  Most CFM's fall under this
category
... however, your root page will probably not: ie:
http://www.company.com/


Other than that, you can use those Cache-Control Headers Michael
Sheldon
mentioned below.  You really should only need Cache-Control Headers
for
objects that don't contain question marks...

More details on AOL's caching at:

http://webmaster.info.aol.com/index.cfm?article=12

Thanks,
Matt

--
"Mike Sheldon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The following has worked for me in preventing AOL from caching dynamic
pages. Note that this must be included in ALL pages you do not wish to
be
cached. (I like to put it in Application.cfm)













Michael J. Sheldon
Internet Applications Developer
Phone: 480.699.1084
http://www.desertraven.com/
PGP Key Available on Request

-Original Message-
From: Skip Ogden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 18:55
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: AOL and Caching


I searched the archives (or should I say struggled through them) and
found
nothing.

Is there something I need to know regarding CF and AOL? AOL seems to
be
caching templates and serving them instead of pulling up the latest
and
greatest.

Thanks in advance.

Skip Ogden




--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk
or
send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe'
in
the body.


--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk
or
send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe'
in
the
body.



Get free email and a permanent address at
http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1

--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar


--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk
or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
'unsubscribe' in the body.

--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or
send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in
the body.

--
Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk
To Unsubscribe visit 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a 
message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.

RE: AOL and CFMAIL - Disregard:

[Jeff Beer]

I found the solution - sorry for the "spam" :)

-Original Message-
From: Jeff Beer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 2:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: AOL and CFMAIL


Anyone know why AOL doesn't receive mail sent by CFMail (CF ver. 5.0).  is
there a header issue I need to resolve or something?
~~
Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more 
resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL and CFMAIL - Disregard:

[David Schmidt]

Hey Jeff,

I am currently working on a project that might be impacted by AOL users
(they are a big audience).  Could you share the problem and solution in
entirety?  I haven't tested my app yet on the AOL system / browser, but will
soon.

Thanks!

David Schmidt



-Original Message-
From: Jeff Beer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:37 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL and CFMAIL - Disregard:


I found the solution - sorry for the "spam" :)

-Original Message-
From: Jeff Beer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 2:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: AOL and CFMAIL


Anyone know why AOL doesn't receive mail sent by CFMail (CF ver. 5.0).  is
there a header issue I need to resolve or something?

~~
Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at 
http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

Re: AOL and CFMAIL - Disregard:

[Douglas Brown]

Yeah I would like to know also. AOL users account for a majority of internet
users and compatability is a must in a public application.


Doug


- Original Message -
From: "David Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: AOL and CFMAIL - Disregard:


> Hey Jeff,
>
> I am currently working on a project that might be impacted by AOL users
> (they are a big audience).  Could you share the problem and solution in
> entirety?  I haven't tested my app yet on the AOL system / browser, but
will
> soon.
>
> Thanks!
>
> David Schmidt
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff Beer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:37 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: AOL and CFMAIL - Disregard:
>
>
> I found the solution - sorry for the "spam" :)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff Beer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 2:29 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: AOL and CFMAIL
>
>
> Anyone know why AOL doesn't receive mail sent by CFMail (CF ver. 5.0).  is
> there a header issue I need to resolve or something?
>
> 
~~
Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL and CFMAIL - Disregard:

[Jeff Beer]

It's actually an old problem.  I remembered reading about it when using CF
3.0+.  AOL has listed the CFMail X-header as a spam signature

X-Mailer: Allaire ColdFusion Application Server

One easy fix is to use the MAILERID attribute in CFMail:



I ran a number of tests with this and it hasn't failed yet.

I tried harcoding the MAILERID to "Binford Mailblaster 2000" and never
received the message :)



-Original Message-
From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 2:56 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: AOL and CFMAIL - Disregard:


Yeah I would like to know also. AOL users account for a majority of internet
users and compatability is a must in a public application.


Doug


- Original Message -
From: "David Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: AOL and CFMAIL - Disregard:


> Hey Jeff,
>
> I am currently working on a project that might be impacted by AOL users
> (they are a big audience).  Could you share the problem and solution in
> entirety?  I haven't tested my app yet on the AOL system / browser, but
will
> soon.
>
> Thanks!
>
> David Schmidt
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff Beer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:37 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: AOL and CFMAIL - Disregard:
>
>
> I found the solution - sorry for the "spam" :)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff Beer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 2:29 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: AOL and CFMAIL
>
>
> Anyone know why AOL doesn't receive mail sent by CFMail (CF ver. 5.0).  is
> there a header issue I need to resolve or something?
>
>

~~
Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more 
resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL and CFMAIL - Disregard:

[Jeff Beer]

Ok - I just received the "Binford" mail:

Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:34:08 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: mail test
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-mailer: Binford MailBlaster 2000

Check out the X-mailer attribute.





-Original Message-
From: Jeff Beer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 3:27 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: AOL and CFMAIL - Disregard:


It's actually an old problem.  I remembered reading about it when using CF
3.0+.  AOL has listed the CFMail X-header as a spam signature

X-Mailer: Allaire ColdFusion Application Server

One easy fix is to use the MAILERID attribute in CFMail:



I ran a number of tests with this and it hasn't failed yet.

I tried harcoding the MAILERID to "Binford Mailblaster 2000" and never
received the message :)



-Original Message-
From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 2:56 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: AOL and CFMAIL - Disregard:


Yeah I would like to know also. AOL users account for a majority of internet
users and compatability is a must in a public application.


Doug


- Original Message -
From: "David Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:41 AM
Subject: RE: AOL and CFMAIL - Disregard:


> Hey Jeff,
>
> I am currently working on a project that might be impacted by AOL users
> (they are a big audience).  Could you share the problem and solution in
> entirety?  I haven't tested my app yet on the AOL system / browser, but
will
> soon.
>
> Thanks!
>
> David Schmidt
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff Beer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:37 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: AOL and CFMAIL - Disregard:
>
>
> I found the solution - sorry for the "spam" :)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff Beer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 2:29 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: AOL and CFMAIL
>
>
> Anyone know why AOL doesn't receive mail sent by CFMail (CF ver. 5.0).  is
> there a header issue I need to resolve or something?
>
>


~~
Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq
Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

Re: AOL and Session Var's

[Jennifer]

At 08:29 PM 12/1/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey Gang,
>
>A friend of mine just asked me to post this question.  Would
>anybody know why, only on AOL 5 a site would be "loosing"
>it's session var's.  They use a session var to track when a
>user logs in.  On AOL 4 and AOL 6 they tell me that it works
>just fine.  IE, Netscape, and even both Mac versions of
>those two work fine.  The problem here is that owner of the
>site uses AOL 5 and does not want to change.  Any ideas.  I
>have tried all the normal stuff, anti AOL caching, passing
>the CFID and TOKEN through all the URL's and Form's etc.  No
>luck.  Any thoughts?  Thanks.

I think you might be out of luck. I'm not sure exactly how someone using 
AOL 5 as opposed to AOL 6 would cause different caching settings to be used 
on AOL's server. It is possible that users of different versions of AOL go 
through different proxy servers, but it seems like a silly thing to do. It 
is possible that there are some differences with the way the software 
interacts with the server that make this a requirement, but frankly, I 
can't imagine what they are. It seems more likely that the problem is in 
the browser software that the client is using. (Yes I realize that the 
browser software is actually AOL 5.)

But the weird thing is that it is your session variables that you are 
having a problem with and those are on your server. Somewhere, your server 
is getting confused about which computer has those session variables or 
something. You've tried passing CFID and CFToken, so there are not many 
things that could be causing this problem.

Have you tested this in AOL 5 yourself so you know that it isn't user error 
causing the problem? You need to make sure that it isn't just that the 
client is trying to use the system in a way that would not work anyway: 
timing out, sending links to others with his/her/its CFID and CFToken 
included in the URL. If you've already determined that user error is 
definitely not the problem, you should contact AOL and ask them if there is 
anything that you can do.


~~
Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at 
http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm

Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

Re: AOL and Session Var's

[Greg Wolfinger]

Bill:

That really doesn't make too much sense too me either because AOL actually
uses the IE browser and have been since 4.0.  They might have their cookies
turned off in the AOL 5 settings or something like that, so that the CFID
and CFTOKEN are lost.  But since you said you have passed cfid and token
through the url and form, I have no idea.  I can test with my AOL 5.0 if you
would like.

Greg
- Original Message -
From: "Bill Killillay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 8:29 PM
Subject: AOL and Session Var's


> Hey Gang,
>
> A friend of mine just asked me to post this question.  Would
> anybody know why, only on AOL 5 a site would be "loosing"
> it's session var's.  They use a session var to track when a
> user logs in.  On AOL 4 and AOL 6 they tell me that it works
> just fine.  IE, Netscape, and even both Mac versions of
> those two work fine.  The problem here is that owner of the
> site uses AOL 5 and does not want to change.  Any ideas.  I
> have tried all the normal stuff, anti AOL caching, passing
> the CFID and TOKEN through all the URL's and Form's etc.  No
> luck.  Any thoughts?  Thanks.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
~~
Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at 
http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm

Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists

RE: AOL email/spam handling...

[d.a.collie]

>> .poor SOBs.

I am one of them :-)... I don't grumble with a pretty good broadband
connection that stays up forever.

Serious question tho...  One benefit is that I can at least test my apps
on an AOL browser... how do you do that if you are not a member of AOL?
Is there another way of doing this?

Anyway, haven't used the AOL client for months (other than testing) and
just connect directly through a DUN but from memory you can recieve
emails from anyone... (up to AOL 9 anyways)

-- 
David
 [Todays Threads] 
 [This Message] 
 [Subscription] 
 [Fast Unsubscribe] 
 [User Settings]

Re: AOL and spam filtering

[John Beynon]

if you use cfmailparam to change the x-mailer param you'll probably
get the messages through.

By default CFMX sets xmailer to:
X-Mailer: ColdFusion MX Application Server

which is probably what is being caught by AOL as spam. Change it to
appear as MS Outlook with "Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0"
and see what happens,

jb.


On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 20:27:44 -0400, sp @ who. net sp @ who. net
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I use the CFMX cfmail tag to send emails from a database query. Alot of AOL users 
> are reporting that they are not receiving them. Most of the time this is due to AOL 
> recogniging the emails from the cfmail tag as spam and it ends up in the persons 
> spam folder. Many people are not computer savvy enough to check their spam settings 
> or folder and just end up complaining that they are not getting their emails.
> 
> Is there some code that I can include that would minimize AOL seeing my email as 
> spam?
> 
> Sebastian
> 
> 

~|
This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for 
dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=11

Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:182442
Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54

Re: AOL and spam filtering

[Matt Robertson]

There could be more to it than that.  I've personally never altered
the X-Mailer, and many of my clients email thousands of pieces to AOL
members daily without trouble.  However CF used to have at least one
problem that needed a param to prop it up, which I still use (not sure
if MX fixes it but I don't think so): No message-ID:



There's a lot more that could be causing your mail to be dumped.  AOL
may have decided that your mail server is a spam factory.  This may be
for reasons that have nothing to do with you if you are on a shared
host and that host is bombing folks via accounts you have no control
over.

Also the content of your message may be tripping a Bayesian filter
mechanism.  I'm not sure if AOL does content-based filtering.

Or if you are blasting out mail in one big shot, which is very
efficient from your end, you might be getting hit with a temp
frequency block from AOL (although from what I have seen in this case
AOL refused to accept the mail in the first place... that may have
changed)  You can either go thru the AOL postmaster's whitelisting
process to lift yourself above the unwashed masses, or trickle down
the speed of your mail to bypass AOL's and others' frequency
filtering.

Personally my clients have never had any trouble with AOL.  I use
trickling and the message ID only;  The clients send large (up to
100k) html mails without incident.  they also never go over about
10,000 emails in a batch.  We trickle out at about 15 every 6 seconds,
with the CF administrator set to flush the mail queue at its minimum
interval of 5 seconds.  With testing you can probably increase the
number of mails per interval by a fair margin; perhaps as much as
doubling it.

http://mysecretbase.com/Slowing_Down_CFMail_2004.cfm

If AOL is your sole issue I'd consider talking to them about
whitelisting yourself and see if you hit any surprises like they hate
your mail server for some reason.

-- 
--Matt Robertson--
President, Janitor
MSB Designs, Inc.
mysecretbase.com

~|
The annual ColdFusion User Conference is being held Sat 6/26 - Sun 6/27/04 8am-5pm in 
the Washington DC Area. 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=44

Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:182453
Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54

Re: AOL and spam filtering

[sp]

Thank you all for your suggestions. I have implemented both the mailer-id and x-mailer 
and will see what happens.

Strange thing is that I am not sending large amounts. Each day only about 850 emails 
are being sent and out of that only a percentage is AOL.

Sebastian

~|
Get the mailserver that powers this list at 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=17

Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:182465
Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54

Re: AOL and spam filtering

[Umer Farooq]

Hey..

   If the error is not resolved.. checkout the following..

   http://postmaster.aol.com/guidelines/sender.html

   Also if you run your own SMTP server.. good idea to sign up.. for AOL 
white list.. so you get a report every time.. someone reports.. one of 
your messages as spam.. and track down the cause of the problem..

   Its important that you try to get on the white list as during the 
approval process you will work out any kinks..



[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Thank you all for your suggestions. I have implemented both the mailer-id and 
> x-mailer and will see what happens.
> 
> Strange thing is that I am not sending large amounts. Each day only about 850 emails 
> are being sent and out of that only a percentage is AOL.
> 
> Sebastian
> 
> 

~|
Purchase from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF 
community.
http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=36

Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:182466
Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54

Re: AOL and spam filtering

[dave]

i seem to recall that your server must conform too their standards as well, typical 
aol crap or they will blacklist u or if someone else thats on your server (in a shared 
enviroment) gets the bl then so do u. I have always heard to only shoot mail out in 
lots of like 10-12 at a time so that u dont get the spammer slap (unless ur into that 
kinda thing ;) )


-- Original Message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:08:40 -0400

>Thank you all for your suggestions. I have implemented both the mailer-id and 
>x-mailer and will see what happens.
>
>Strange thing is that I am not sending large amounts. Each day only about 850 emails 
>are being sent and out of that only a percentage is AOL.
>
>Sebastian
>
>

~|
Sams Teach Yourself Regular Expressions in 10 Minutes  by Ben Forta 
http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=40

Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:182467
Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54

RE: AOL and spam filtering

[Craig Dudley]

Reverse DNS would seem to be the most important factor, make sure your
mail server has RDNS setup.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 24 October 2004 01:28
To: CF-Talk
Subject: AOL and spam filtering


I use the CFMX cfmail tag to send emails from a database query. Alot of
AOL users are reporting that they are not receiving them. Most of the
time this is due to AOL recogniging the emails from the cfmail tag as
spam and it ends up in the persons spam folder. Many people are not
computer savvy enough to check their spam settings or folder and just
end up complaining that they are not getting their emails. 

Is there some code that I can include that would minimize AOL seeing my
email as spam?

Sebastian



~|
Purchase from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF 
community.
http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=36

Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:182477
Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54

RE: AOL and spam filtering

[Gavin Brook]

I've recently had to go through the whole AOL white listing process. Our
mail server was experiencing a temporary block at AOL's mail servers. I
phoned AOL and they explained that this temporary block was due to the fact
that a certain percentage of the mail we were sending was being reported as
spam. They weren't sure of the exact threshold to trigger this block, and
were cagey as to the reporting spam process.

I went through the white list application, which was relatively painless.
Your emails must conform to their standards, which basically means putting
contact details on them, and clear instructions on how to be remove from the
list. There also needs to be a reverse DNS entry for the mail server. To be
sure of acceptance we made our newsletter conform to all of the requirements
exactly and we were added to the white list.

Part of this process is being added to a list which returns emails that have
been reported as spam. Even with the white list status, I get around 5-10%
reported as spam. We've even had end users complain that they've signed up
for the email and haven't received it.

I'm not sure how exactly the default spam setup on AOL works as these
bounced emails seem to be random, as opposed to the same user bouncing the
email back. We've got a list of around 50,000 subscribers to our newsletter,
and the only trouble we have is with AOL. Our newsletter is written exactly
as AOL requires, yet still some are being bounced back as spam from users,
and they complain about not receiving them.

You would think conforming to their standards meant that their default spam
settings wouldn't reject your emails!

Gavin


~|
Purchase from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF 
community.
http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=37

Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:182479
Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54

RE: AOL and spam filtering

[James Smith]

I had great success adding a static route to our internal mail server.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] gets routed to our ISP's SMTP server and everything else is
delivered direct.  I haven't had a single problem since.

--
Jay 

> -Original Message-
> From: Gavin Brook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 25 October 2004 12:35
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: AOL and spam filtering
> 
> I've recently had to go through the whole AOL white listing 
> process. Our mail server was experiencing a temporary block 
> at AOL's mail servers. I phoned AOL and they explained that 
> this temporary block was due to the fact that a certain 
> percentage of the mail we were sending was being reported as 
> spam. They weren't sure of the exact threshold to trigger 
> this block, and were cagey as to the reporting spam process.
> 
> I went through the white list application, which was 
> relatively painless.
> Your emails must conform to their standards, which basically 
> means putting contact details on them, and clear instructions 
> on how to be remove from the list. There also needs to be a 
> reverse DNS entry for the mail server. To be sure of 
> acceptance we made our newsletter conform to all of the 
> requirements exactly and we were added to the white list.
> 
> Part of this process is being added to a list which returns 
> emails that have been reported as spam. Even with the white 
> list status, I get around 5-10% reported as spam. We've even 
> had end users complain that they've signed up for the email 
> and haven't received it.
> 
> I'm not sure how exactly the default spam setup on AOL works 
> as these bounced emails seem to be random, as opposed to the 
> same user bouncing the email back. We've got a list of around 
> 50,000 subscribers to our newsletter, and the only trouble we 
> have is with AOL. Our newsletter is written exactly as AOL 
> requires, yet still some are being bounced back as spam from 
> users, and they complain about not receiving them.
> 
> You would think conforming to their standards meant that 
> their default spam settings wouldn't reject your emails!
> 
> Gavin
> 
> 
> 

~|
Purchase from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF 
community.
http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=36

Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:182483
Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54

SOLVED: Re: AOL and IPs

[Bryan Stevenson]

Thanks All...my suspiscion has been confirmed ;-)

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: www.electricedgesystems.com

~|
Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking 
application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a 
client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account.
http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67

Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:196136
Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4
Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4
Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54