RE: routing protocol

[Buddy Venne]

fanj -
in a short summary:
Name   Protocol Number   Port
BGP 6(TCP)179
IGRP9 n/a (it _is_ prot 9)
RIP  17(UDP)   520
EIGRP  88   n/a (it _is_ prot 88)
OSPF   89   n/a (it _is_ prot 89)
 
hth

Buddy Venne

 

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Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 8:24 PM
To: fanj; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Try  www.netsys.com  go to technical library .
You can find TCP/UDP port numbers by protocol
 
 
 
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R&S Networks Inc
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Boston, MA 02115
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From: fanj   
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 10:18 PM
Subject: routing protocol

can someone tell me which port the routing protocols are using ? where can I
get the details of all the protocols ? Thanks in advance

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Re: HSRP/Load Balancing

[Albert]

Troy,

The HSRP routers use a virtual MAC address.  When the backup router does not
get a hello packet, it send out a frame with the same virtual MAC address.
The switch see the MAC address and think that the interface had move from
one port to another.  It will immediately start to send frames to the new
port.

Albert

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> Nat,
>
> This is one of those things that differientiate [sp?] a _LOGICAL_
> drawing and a _PHYSICAL_ drawing.Figure 9-3 on that page shows
> "Network 3.0.0.0" and "Network 2.0.0.0"  This is a logical drawing.
> These networks could be utilizing a HUB, Switch, or a direct connect
> such as a cross-over cable.  Typically, in the real world [assuming
> you meant in a production enviroment]  it is a switch.
>
> Now, let's assume it is a switched network.  The switch wouldn't send
> out any "hello" type packets.  The HRSP protocol is a _router_
> protocol.  So the routers are talking to each other, ensuring the
> primary is alive and well, and if not, a take over by the secondaries.
> The switch is just the medium.
>
> But this brings up another question that I had not found until you
> posted the link.  And that was what about layer-2?  IE: MAC address
> resolution.  How did a switch, using VLANs quite possibly, ensure it
> went to the correct MAC address?
>
> From that link:
> ..."  When you configure HSRP, the router automatically selects one of
> the virtual MAC addresses from a range of addresses in the Cisco IOS
> software that is within the range of Cisco's MAC address block"...
>
> Aha! So the MAC address stays the same [as does the associated  IP
> address]  But wait!  How does the switch _relearn_ where that MAC
> address is?
>
>  In other words:
>
>  Primary router A, with IP of 1.1.1.1 and Mac adder of x:x:x:x  is off
> switch port 5.   Router A dies, and Router B takes over...using IP
> 1.1.1.1 and Mac adder of x:x:x:x now on switch port 8.  But the switch
> still thinks x:x:x:x is on switch port 5.  How does he get updated??
> [besides arp table purge]  Yet to figure this one out...but I will
> keep you updated, as I have been put on the HA [High Availability]
> Project where I work.
>
> FWIW, We are also looking at Cisco's Local director, F5's BigIP/3DNS,
> and a combination of pure physical redundancy.
>
> Troy Coulombe
> Network Engineer, CCNA
> ...and all around nice guy
>
>
>
> On 28 May 2000 03:17:35 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >Hola newbies. I had a question that went unanswered a while back about
load
> >balancing and backup. I found the answer to it tonight. See this link for
> >information:
> >
>
>http://www.cisco.com/cpress/cc/td/cpress/ccie/ndcs798/nd2022.htm#xtocid1851
22
> >
> >Now for those of you in the real world.no where in this doc do I see
a switch. If there were one, do you just tell it to accept traffic from any
> >of the routers, and are there weights or values to do this? Does the
switch send some kind of hello packet to find out who the main router is
> >or what???
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >Nat
> >CCNA. MCSE, CNA
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RE: EIGRP network command

[Chuck Larrieu]

You may want to review the result of the network command under the EIGRP
routing process. While I have not looked at this in IOS versions above 11.2,
I do know that networks are placed into the process, not interfaces, in 11.2

i.e. in OSPF, one places interfaces into networks. 10.1.1.1 0.0.0.0 area 0
is more specific than 10.0.0.0 0.255.255.255, and would place a single
interface into area 0, whereas the second example would place all interfaces
with addresses in the 10.0.0.0 range into the process. The EIGRP process
operates on the major classful networks, and not on more specific subnets.
Well, let me re-word that. The designation for networks that participate in
the EIGRP process is made along classful lines.

For EIGRP, there is no option for specifying a single address into the
routing process. One can place network 10.1.1.1 into the EIGRP process, but
doing a show run should yield network 10.0.0.0 in the running config.

I suppose this opens the argument about what is meant by "interface" :->

Chuck

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Subject:EIGRP network command

Hello There,

In EIGRP, the network command will determine which
interfaces will participate
in the exhange of routes.
One way to set up EIGRP easily, is to put the network
command matching the networks
that are configured locally on the interfaces.

However, I found one time, some interfaces with
secondary IPs.
And only the network of these secondary IPs were
configured in EIGRP.

The good thing is that only these interfaces will
participe in EIGRP, and no more need passive
interfaces.
But it will consumme IP addresses, and also add some
complexity.

Do you have an idea why one would configure it this
way ?

Thank you,




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Cat 5000 Sup 1 and Sup 2 differences

[Mark Holloway]

I know the Catalyst 5000 Supervisor 1 engine only supports LAN Switching IOS
4.x and lower due to the 16MB memory limit.  Some Sup 2 modules only support
4.x, some support 5.x, but are there really any advantages to running IOS
5.x versus 4.x?  If not, are there any advantages of 4.x on a Sup 2 versus a
Sup 1?  Do they all support ISL?

Thanks,
Mark


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EIGRP network command

[Cisco Wave]

Hello There,

In EIGRP, the network command will determine which
interfaces will participate 
in the exhange of routes.
One way to set up EIGRP easily, is to put the network
command matching the networks
that are configured locally on the interfaces.

However, I found one time, some interfaces with
secondary IPs.
And only the network of these secondary IPs were
configured in EIGRP.

The good thing is that only these interfaces will
participe in EIGRP, and no more need passive
interfaces.
But it will consumme IP addresses, and also add some
complexity.

Do you have an idea why one would configure it this
way ?

Thank you,




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Re: BSCN Update

[Robert Yee]

I can tell you that I called MacMillan Press (publishing company for
Cisco Press) and they said that the Cisco Press BSCN book has been
delayed until September. Go figure?

"Z. Hassan" wrote:

> Hi everyone.
>
> Has anyone got any update about BSCN ?
> I have searched Amazon and Cisco Press and haven't found anything.
> Is it really true that Cisco is not going to publish the objectives of
> the exam ?
>
> A request to anyone to who has already has taken the exam  "Please
> outline the topic of the exam". I guess that by doing this no one will
> break the non disclosure agreement.
> Can anyone also recommend some books for this exam ?
>
> Any help would be highly appreciated.
>
> Z.
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Re: routing protocol

[Jorge Rodriguez]

Try  www.netsys.com    go to 
technical library .
You can find TCP/UDP port numbers by 
protocol
 
 
 
Jorge Rodriguez /CCNANetwork Services 
AnalystR&S Networks Inc1112 Boylston Street #222Boston, MA 
021151-781-614-1294http://www.netwire.n3.net/http://www.learncisco.n3.net/
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  fanj 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 10:18 
  PM
  Subject: routing protocol
  
  can someone tell me which port the routing 
  protocols are using ? where can I get the details of all the protocols ? 
  Thanks in advance

Re: Hi all.

[Jorge Rodriguez]

Try my webpage, I have compiled few sites where you can begin basics on
Networking/Telecommunications.
Go to www.netwire.n3.net and look for  "Network-Learning" link,  as well as
the " Cisco Systems Related " link. There is lots of info there.
Joining this cisco discussion group is also a great start. Another excellent
site is www.ciscoinanutshell.com  this on is awesome .

Good luck

Jorge Rodriguez /CCNA
Network Services Analyst
R&S Networks Inc
1112 Boylston Street #222
Boston, MA 02115
1-781-614-1294
http://www.netwire.n3.net/
http://www.learncisco.n3.net/


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From: "Macnee, James (CHHIS CNI Support)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 9:37 PM
Subject: Hi all.


> I have just joined this group and need a little advise on how to move into
> studing ultimately towards an ccie.
>
> I work as a PC LAN Support at a large company in New Zealand and want to
> advance myself towards designing and implementing large networks.  I have
> little knowledge of this except that I completed an MCSE last year.
>
> I have purchase 2 books and am reading various others.
>
> 1.  Cisco CCIE Fundamentals: Networking Design and Case Studies
>
> 2.  IP Routing Primer
>
> I am reading Internetworking  Technology overview on the internet
>
> I also have purchase ITM from the cisco connection training CD.
>
> My manager will provide some equiptment like routers or switches that I
can
> play with to learn the practical side.
>
> I think that this is all to inadequate but could you give me some
> suggestions.
>
> Thanks
>
> James Macnee
>
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Re: Reserved DLCIs in Frame Relay

[Curtis Carroll]

It is to my understanding that there are somewhere 
around 19 reserved DLCI's for the management but that is not what decides how 
many customers you can have an a circuit.  On a standard T! through GTE 
there are I think 938 usable DLCI's on a card.  Not the circuit.  If 
there are two T1's on a card and the other T! has 900 DLCI's you get 
38...regardless of the bandwidth avaliable.  The local TELCO should be able 
to tell you because it will vary depending on the equipment they 
use..

  ""Dave Malik"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
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  Does anyone know where I can find a description 
  list of the reserved DLCIs in Frame Relay?
   
  Thanks,
  Dave
   

Re: Reserved DLCIs in Frame Relay

[Joe Martin]

http://www.frforum.com/
 
JOE
CCIE #5917

  ""Dave Malik"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
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  Does anyone know where I can find a description 
  list of the reserved DLCIs in Frame Relay?
   
  Thanks,
  Dave
   

Reserved DLCIs in Frame Relay

[Dave Malik]

Does anyone know where I can find a description 
list of the reserved DLCIs in Frame Relay?
 
Thanks,
Dave
 

ACRC sample question confusion

[Warren Shubin]

Taken from sample questions:

1. Command to show access-list 107

I often see the right answer as:

show ip access-list 107

but, if the test wants the full answer wouldn't it be:

show ip access-lists 107

What is the command to keep a route permanent even if the link fails?

I also have some confusion over which of the follwoing are required for a
router to route?

possible routes
best route
encrypt key
destination address
Verify route is current

Some sample tests list destination address and best route as the only
choice, but I believe the Chappel book lists everything but encrypt.

Thanks for the help! Testing on Tuesday!



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Re: Paper Vs hands on

[Annlee Hines]

I agree with Oz and the others. I offer a couple of thoughts which you may
or may not like...

1. Have you considered the armed forces? They're crying for people,
especially those who can do technical things. I don't know your age, so that
may be a factor--but give them a thought. The working conditions can be
crummy (yes, I have been there and done that, but the t-shirt wore out).
HOWEVER, if you show as much initiative in the service as you have so far,
you could wind up with experience any employer would love after 4 years.
You'd have a big change in your life.

2. Present yourself better. Look at your posting like an employer
would--you're showing laziness (and God knows, I fight lazy all the
time--but I do fight it) with your lack of capitalization and sloppy
writing. You never know who's lurking--there could be someone on this board
looking for your kind of drive. If it's not laziness it's a poor education
(and businesses are not interested in teaching remedial communication
skills). For all the geeky stuff people in this newsgroup do--and this place
is about as geeky as it gets (and close to my idea of heaven)--the
well-respected people here communicate well. Look at postings from any of
the following people: Howard Berkowitz, Kent Hundley, Chuck Larrieu, Joe
Martin, Priscilla Oppenheimer, etc (and I know I've left articulate people
out). They take the time to capitalize, to use good grammar, to present
their ideas well. You have shown tremendous drive for a better technical
life up to now--don't cast doubt on it by creating a bad impression of the
rest of your character.

Best of luck!

Annlee
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> Let's talk about this for a minute or two, just to clear something that
has
> been inside of me for a while, since i joined this group about a year ago
I
> hear lots of you say
> " get experience", like it is somenthing you just go to the grocery store
and
> buy it, if it was like that, i would gather as much money as i could, to
buy
> the most i can.
> Take me for example, I have been parking cars for 7 years now at $
7.50
> an hour,
> In 1997, because i wanted to improve my way of life, i started buying and
> studying books, first I got my A+ cert, Then my MCP, right now i only need
2
> electives to have the MCSE, then i got my Network+, then my CCNA, from the
> ccnp i passed the acrc and the cit, I bought all the cisco books for the
> ccnp, the ccda,ccdp,ccie, i even took the ccie written , of course i
failed,
> but it is a good experience, and i think the acrc is a harder exam, but
the
> ccie is a more broader exam.
> going back to the main topic, I started studying because nobody would
> hire me because i do not have neither the knowledge nor the experience
that i
> needed, now I have, not all the knowledge but some, as far as the A+ goes
i
> feel confident, i have asembled and sold over a few years maybe 100
> computers, as far as my troubleshooting skills i feel more than good, as
far
> as the rest goes, i have a small network at home, not with routers,
because i
> cannot afford them, i have 4 workstations and 2 servers, so i practice a
lot.
> Since i joined this group i hear you people talking about getting
> experience, about paper Vs hands on, AT first nobody hires you because you
do
> not have the knowledge or the experience, then somehow you manage to get
some
> knowledge,
> but then again, this time nobody hires you because you do not have the
> experience, and you people talk about it , the so much appreciated
experience
> , like it is so easy
> to get
> I have posted my resume all over, willing to start with anything, but
> whoever calls, the first question is, Where have you worked before?, how
long
> have your worked in the industry?, as soon as I tell them my experience is
> with a small network i have at home, they think for a minute or two, thet
> said i call you back, but they never do.
> I have spent Ks of dollars, and i am convinced that it is not worth ,
to
> keep spending more in the sense of trying to get a better life, it is
almost
> impossible; in the sense of getting knowledge is a good thing to do, but
up
> to certain limits.
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Re: New CCIE

[Joe Martin]

ASET is for Cisco resellers/partners.  You can get info at
www.cisco.com/go/aset

Your Cisco Channel SE must approve your attendance.  You must have passed
the written to attend and must belong to a study group.  Officially is
suppose to be a CSG (Cisco Study Group) that is sponsored by Cisco.  I was
able to bypass that requirement due to the level that my local CSG was at
and due to my association with Groupstudy.

ASET is three days in which you get to work on a simulated CCIE lab
scenario.  Jay, the ASET program manager also tells you some nifty things
about how to be more sucessful.

JOE
CCIE #5917

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> Congrats
>
> Thank you for your posts on the list, your posts are some of the ones I
> always look for. I am glad to see that your knowledge is now officially
> recognized! It is wonderful to see someone reach this goal.
>
> Can you shed a little more detail on the Cisco ASET lab in San Jose, maybe
a
> URL?
>
> TIA
> --
> John Hardman, MCSE+I, CCNA
> ArrisTech/CCS-IS SysAdmin
>
>
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> > H  e  l  l  o   from Sunny San Jose.
> >
> > I've just arrived back in my hotel after sucessfully completing the CCIE
> R/S
> > lab.
> >
> > My brain isn't quite functioning correctly yet, but I wanted to pass
along
> a
> > great deal of thanks to everyone in the group.  I have learned so much
> from
> > each of you.  I'll try to continue to lurk and help when I can.
> >
> > Here's a bit of my story:
> >
> > I'm 33.  Got my first computer when I was 13.  20 years.  Wow!!!  Fell
in
> > love with programming.  At 17, I got a job teaching college and was
> building
> > custom IBM compatibles for a friends business.  I taught continuing
> > education computer classes.  Did that for three years to help pay for my
> own
> > college.  By my third year of college I burned out on programming.  I'd
> > finally come out of my shell and found that I didn't want to sit in a
cube
> > all day and write code.  I then went to work for a small telcom
> interconnect
> > and learned all about PBXs.  Did that for 7 years.  I decided to make
the
> > leap back into "real" computers and data.  I went to work for the phone
> > company as a field data technician.  Did that for 1 1/2 years and then
> > became a Sales Engineer.  Been doing that for about 3 years now.  I've
got
> > lots of hands on and plenty of different certifications(Cisco,
Bay/Nortel,
> > Fore/Marconi, etc...).  Last year, I decided to work towards my CCIE.  I
> > also decided to get all the intermediate certifications along the way.
> > Starting from last April to November, I did my CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, CCDP.
In
> > January of this year I did my Voice access specialization.  In February
I
> > passed the CCIE written.  I've been hitting my engineering lab at work
> ever
> > since.  I did 4 hours a nite every day of the week and 12 hours each day
> of
> > the weekend since then.  Its been 3 1/2 months of hell.  My wife has
been
> > very understanding.
> >
> > Boy, was that a long rambling paragraph.  Hope my highschool english
> teacher
> > isn't reading this!
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Joe Martin
> > CCIE#5917, and a couple of other things...
> >
> >
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Hi all.

[Macnee, James (CHHIS CNI Support)]

I have just joined this group and need a little advise on how to move into
studing ultimately towards an ccie.

I work as a PC LAN Support at a large company in New Zealand and want to
advance myself towards designing and implementing large networks.  I have
little knowledge of this except that I completed an MCSE last year.  

I have purchase 2 books and am reading various others.

1.  Cisco CCIE Fundamentals: Networking Design and Case Studies

2.  IP Routing Primer

I am reading Internetworking  Technology overview on the internet

I also have purchase ITM from the cisco connection training CD.

My manager will provide some equiptment like routers or switches that I can
play with to learn the practical side.

I think that this is all to inadequate but could you give me some
suggestions.

Thanks 

James Macnee

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ISDN Problem

[Saravanan Belusami]

Hai,

I would like to ask for help regarding ISDN problem with MC3810
router.I found that the ISDN having problem of kicking in. I will
attacth the file consist of the debug action which i have done. Please
response to my problem.



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BKRB056RT120#ping 202.178.30.129

Type escape sequence to abort.
Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 202.178.30.129, timeout is 2 seconds:

*Apr 23 19:33:15.565: ISDN BR0: TX ->  SABMEp sapi = 0  tei = 69
*Apr 23 19:33:15.621: ISDN BR0: RX <-  UAf sapi = 0  tei = 69
*Apr 23 19:33:15.625: %ISDN-6-LAYER2UP: Layer 2 for Interface BR0, TEI 69 changed to up
*Apr 23 19:33:15.630: ISDN BR0: TX ->  INFOc sapi = 0  tei = 69  ns = 0  nr = 0  i = 
0x0801540504028890180183700A80303332313237383630
*Apr 23 19:33:15.630: SETUP pd = 8  callref = 0x54
*Apr 23 19:33:15.634: Bearer Capability i = 0x8890
*Apr 23 19:33:15.634: Channel ID i = 0x83
*Apr 23 19:33:15.634: Called Party Number i = 0x80, '032127860'
*Apr 23 19:33:15.666: ISDN BR0: RX <-  RRr sapi = 0  tei = 69  nr = 1
*Apr 23 19:33:15.798: ISDN BR0: RX <-  INFOc sapi = 0  tei = 69  ns = 0  nr = 1  i = 
0x0801D40D180189
*Apr 23 19:33:15.798: SETUP_ACK pd = 8  callref = 0xD4
*Apr 23 19:33:15.802: Channel ID i = 0x89
*Apr 23 19:33:15.806: ISDN BR0: TX ->  RRr sapi = 0  tei = 69  nr = 1.
Success rate is 0 percent (0/5)
BKRB056RT120#
*Apr 23 19:33:25.923: ISDN BR0: TX ->  RRp sapi = 0  tei = 69 nr = 1 
*Apr 23 19:33:26.103: ISDN BR0: RX <-  RRf sapi = 0  tei = 69  nr = 1
*Apr 23 19:33:26.782: ISDN BR0: RX <-  INFOc sapi = 0  tei = 69  ns = 1  nr = 1  i = 
0x0801D402
*Apr 23 19:33:26.786: CALL_PROC pd = 8  callref = 0xD4
*Apr 23 19:33:26.786: ISDN BR0: TX ->  RRr sapi = 0  tei = 69  nr = 2
*Apr 23 19:33:32.288: ISDN BR0: RX <-  INFOc sapi = 0  tei = 69  ns = 2  nr = 1  i = 
0x0801D4011E028482
*Apr 23 19:33:32.288: ALERTING pd = 8  callref = 0xD4
*Apr 23 19:33:32.292: Progress Ind i = 0x8482 - Destination address is 
non-ISDN 
*Apr 23 19:33:32.292: ISDN BR0: TX ->  RRr sapi = 0  tei = 69  nr = 3
*Apr 23 19:33:42.368: ISDN BR0: TX ->  RRp sapi = 0  tei = 69 nr = 3 
*Apr 23 19:33:42.433: ISDN BR0: RX <-  RRf sapi = 0  tei = 69  nr = 1
*Apr 23 19:33:45.625: ISDN BR0: TX ->  INFOc sapi = 0  tei = 69  ns = 1  nr = 3  i = 
0x0801544508028090
*Apr 23 19:33:45.625: DISCONNECT pd = 8  callref = 0x54
*Apr 23 19:33:45.625: Cause i = 0x8090 - Normal call clearing 
*Apr 23 19:33:45.907: ISDN BR0: RX <-  RRr sapi = 0  tei = 69  nr = 2
*Apr 23 19:33:45.907: ISDN BR0: RX <-  INFOc sapi = 0  tei = 69  ns = 3  nr = 2  i = 
0x0801D44D
*Apr 23 19:33:45.907: RELEASE pd = 8  callref = 0xD4
*Apr 23 19:33:45.911: ISDN BR0: TX ->  INFOc sapi = 0  tei = 69  ns = 2  nr = 3  i = 
0x0801550504028890180183700A80303332313237383930
*Apr 23 19:33:45.915: SETUP pd = 8  callref = 0x55
*Apr 23 19:33:45.915: Bearer Capability i = 0x8890
*Apr 23 19:33:45.915: Channel ID i = 0x83
*Apr 23 19:33:45.915: Called Party Number i = 0x80, '032127890'
*Apr 23 19:33:45.919: ISDN BR0: TX ->  RRr sapi = 0  tei = 69  nr = 4
*Apr 23 19:33:45.927: ISDN BR0: Ux_BadMsg(): Invalid Message for call state 0, call id 
0x9BA2, call ref 0x0
*Apr 23 19:33:45.927: ISDN ERROR:  Module-l3_sdl_u  Function-Ux_BadMsg  Error-Source 
ID =  400  Event =  AB
*Apr 23 19:33:46.011: ISDN BR0: RX <-  RRr sapi = 0  tei = 69  nr = 3
*Apr 23 19:33:46.015: ISDN BR0: TX ->  INFOc sapi = 0  tei = 69  ns = 3  nr = 4  i = 
0x0801545A
*Apr 23 19:33:46.015: RELEASE_COMP pd = 8  callref = 0x54
*Apr 23 19:33:46.043: ISDN BR0: RX <-  RRr sapi = 0  tei = 69  nr = 4
*Apr 23 19:33:46.071: ISDN BR0: RX <-  INFOc sapi = 0  tei = 69  ns = 4  nr = 4  i = 
0x0801D50D18018A
*Apr 23 19:33:46.071: SETUP_ACK pd = 8  callref = 0xD5
*Apr 23 19:33:46.071: Channel ID i = 0x8A
*Apr 23 19:33:46.075: ISDN BR0: TX ->  RRr sapi = 0  tei = 69  nr = 5
*Apr 23 19:33:56.316: ISDN BR0: TX ->  RRp sapi = 0  tei = 69 nr = 5 
*Apr 23 19:33:56.521: ISDN BR0: RX <-  RRf sapi = 0  tei = 69  nr = 4
*Apr 23 19:33:57.111: ISDN BR0: RX <-  INFOc sapi = 0  tei = 69  ns = 5  nr = 4  i = 
0x0801D502
*Apr 23 19:33:57.111: CALL_PROC pd = 8  callref = 0xD5
*Apr 23 19:33:57.115: ISDN BR0: TX ->  RRr sapi = 0  tei = 69  nr = 6
BKRB056RT120#
BKRB056RT120#
BKRB056RT120#
*Apr 23 19:34:02.019: ISDN BR0: RX <-  INFOc sapi = 0  tei = 69  ns = 6  nr = 4  i = 
0x0801D5011E028482
*Apr 23 19:34:02.023: ALERTING pd = 8  callref = 0xD5
*Apr 

Re: HSRP/Load Balancing

[Troy C]

Nat,

This is one of those things that differientiate [sp?] a _LOGICAL_
drawing and a _PHYSICAL_ drawing.Figure 9-3 on that page shows
"Network 3.0.0.0" and "Network 2.0.0.0"  This is a logical drawing.
These networks could be utilizing a HUB, Switch, or a direct connect
such as a cross-over cable.  Typically, in the real world [assuming
you meant in a production enviroment]  it is a switch.

Now, let's assume it is a switched network.  The switch wouldn't send
out any "hello" type packets.  The HRSP protocol is a _router_
protocol.  So the routers are talking to each other, ensuring the
primary is alive and well, and if not, a take over by the secondaries.
The switch is just the medium.  

But this brings up another question that I had not found until you
posted the link.  And that was what about layer-2?  IE: MAC address
resolution.  How did a switch, using VLANs quite possibly, ensure it
went to the correct MAC address?

>From that link:
..."  When you configure HSRP, the router automatically selects one of
the virtual MAC addresses from a range of addresses in the Cisco IOS
software that is within the range of Cisco's MAC address block"...

Aha! So the MAC address stays the same [as does the associated  IP
address]  But wait!  How does the switch _relearn_ where that MAC
address is? 

 In other words:

 Primary router A, with IP of 1.1.1.1 and Mac adder of x:x:x:x  is off
switch port 5.   Router A dies, and Router B takes over...using IP
1.1.1.1 and Mac adder of x:x:x:x now on switch port 8.  But the switch
still thinks x:x:x:x is on switch port 5.  How does he get updated??
[besides arp table purge]  Yet to figure this one out...but I will
keep you updated, as I have been put on the HA [High Availability]
Project where I work.  

FWIW, We are also looking at Cisco's Local director, F5's BigIP/3DNS,
and a combination of pure physical redundancy.

Troy Coulombe
Network Engineer, CCNA
...and all around nice guy



On 28 May 2000 03:17:35 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Hola newbies. I had a question that went unanswered a while back about load
>balancing and backup. I found the answer to it tonight. See this link for
>information:
>
>http://www.cisco.com/cpress/cc/td/cpress/ccie/ndcs798/nd2022.htm#xtocid185122
>
>Now for those of you in the real world.no where in this doc do I see a switch. If 
>there were one, do you just tell it to accept traffic from any
>of the routers, and are there weights or values to do this? Does the switch send some 
>kind of hello packet to find out who the main router is
>or what???
>
>Thanks!
>
>Nat
>CCNA. MCSE, CNA
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Re: Paper Vs hands on (long)

[Oz]

Whilst  I laud you for your efforts  so far .. Don't get all ugly  this is
constructive criticism
I did just like you but in 1998 and  the only difference may be  our ages
and locations .
Having been thru the experience paradox  many years prior . I knew that it
had not changed much .
 so I leveraged what existing skills I had prior to the career change .
People skills , management and sales and the nearest fit was help desk.
 So I spent 3 months  just busting my butt to get a help desk job ..
I must of got told no a gadzillion times .. in the interim  I did  chat
help desk for newbies  on  MSN  .
Helped out a couple of local charities with some simple stuff etc.
All this  which I got paid 0 for  helped fill out the resume
Then finally I got a help desk job .. It was 4 pm thru 12 pm and I drove a
truck from 7 am thru 3 pm .
Time then became very valuable  so I spent all my time doing my job at 110 %
.
I tried to study  but it was very difficult as there just was no time left
in the day ..
HOWEVER, by pushing myself at work THAT became the study and also gave me
hands on as well .
then  I moved on the rollout and desktop and server stuff. Now I am a
consultant  and just about run the gamut.
Cisco  is my "play"  stuff and I do a variety of stuff from desktop support
thru to designing SAN's for high end video production.
I started one job as rollout  dude  slinging boxes on desktops  and ended up
doing servers and setting up USR  dialup for 400 odd users.  AS 400 's  and
anything I could lay my hands on.
 Meanwhile  folks who were in the same boat as me  were  reading the heck
out of books and passing tests  left and right.
MEANWHILE ALL are still really not even close  to my level of skills as a
generalist and get maybe  50 % of what I make .. .
Their archilles heel is a LIMITED skill set  and LIMITED experience.
Get contacting work and the second you cannot learn more about an
environment MOVE ON.
Sure its a pain moving around  but a couple of years doing this  give you
the edge.
 Sadly  many don't see home study as valuable deal..  ( only those who did
the same )
it's not luck  it's not being in the right place at the right time .
It's YOU putting yourself in the right place at the right time.
No success is due to LUCK  it's due to perseverance,determination skill and
BLOODY HARD WORK.
Right now consider an employers  point of view you have some certs  but park
cars ??
What should they do  ?? You still have not shown them you can WORK  only
STUDY.
So it not unreasonable to  think this way ..
You  prime goal should be to build a NETWORK  of PEOPLE spend the next 3
months hammering headhunters.
Scouring the papers , pounding the net and the streets.
 You fixation should be GETTING A JOB. Consider nothing but  HOW TO GET A
JOB.
READ the headhunter sites on interview tips.

I used to call about  5 headhunters 3 times if not more a week .
Finally  one day one the folks found something  and because by now they
kinda knew me this guy said
"look I know his resume does not reflect what you are looking for
BUT  I know this guy can do the job "
the rest is history


Oz
http://www.mcseco-op.com/CiscoStuff.htm
***In 1997, because I wanted to improve my way of life, I started buying and
studying books, first I got my A+ cert, Then my MCP, right now i only need 2
electives to have the MCSE, then i got my Network+, then my CCNA, from the
ccnp i passed the acrc and the cit, I bought all the cisco books for the
ccnp, the ccda,ccdp,ccie, i even took the ccie written , of course i failed,
but it is a good experience, and i think the acrc is a harder exam, but the
ccie is a more broader exam.***


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Re: New CCIE

[John Hardman]

Congrats

Thank you for your posts on the list, your posts are some of the ones I
always look for. I am glad to see that your knowledge is now officially
recognized! It is wonderful to see someone reach this goal.

Can you shed a little more detail on the Cisco ASET lab in San Jose, maybe a
URL?

TIA
--
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ArrisTech/CCS-IS SysAdmin


""Joe Martin"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
8gsbio$coa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8gsbio$coa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> H  e  l  l  o   from Sunny San Jose.
>
> I've just arrived back in my hotel after sucessfully completing the CCIE
R/S
> lab.
>
> My brain isn't quite functioning correctly yet, but I wanted to pass along
a
> great deal of thanks to everyone in the group.  I have learned so much
from
> each of you.  I'll try to continue to lurk and help when I can.
>
> Here's a bit of my story:
>
> I'm 33.  Got my first computer when I was 13.  20 years.  Wow!!!  Fell in
> love with programming.  At 17, I got a job teaching college and was
building
> custom IBM compatibles for a friends business.  I taught continuing
> education computer classes.  Did that for three years to help pay for my
own
> college.  By my third year of college I burned out on programming.  I'd
> finally come out of my shell and found that I didn't want to sit in a cube
> all day and write code.  I then went to work for a small telcom
interconnect
> and learned all about PBXs.  Did that for 7 years.  I decided to make the
> leap back into "real" computers and data.  I went to work for the phone
> company as a field data technician.  Did that for 1 1/2 years and then
> became a Sales Engineer.  Been doing that for about 3 years now.  I've got
> lots of hands on and plenty of different certifications(Cisco, Bay/Nortel,
> Fore/Marconi, etc...).  Last year, I decided to work towards my CCIE.  I
> also decided to get all the intermediate certifications along the way.
> Starting from last April to November, I did my CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, CCDP.  In
> January of this year I did my Voice access specialization.  In February I
> passed the CCIE written.  I've been hitting my engineering lab at work
ever
> since.  I did 4 hours a nite every day of the week and 12 hours each day
of
> the weekend since then.  Its been 3 1/2 months of hell.  My wife has been
> very understanding.
>
> Boy, was that a long rambling paragraph.  Hope my highschool english
teacher
> isn't reading this!
>
> Thanks again,
> Joe Martin
> CCIE#5917, and a couple of other things...
>
>
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New CCIE

[Joe Martin]

H  e  l  l  o   from Sunny San Jose.

I've just arrived back in my hotel after sucessfully completing the CCIE R/S
lab.

My brain isn't quite functioning correctly yet, but I wanted to pass along a
great deal of thanks to everyone in the group.  I have learned so much from
each of you.  I'll try to continue to lurk and help when I can.

Here's a bit of my story:

I'm 33.  Got my first computer when I was 13.  20 years.  Wow!!!  Fell in
love with programming.  At 17, I got a job teaching college and was building
custom IBM compatibles for a friends business.  I taught continuing
education computer classes.  Did that for three years to help pay for my own
college.  By my third year of college I burned out on programming.  I'd
finally come out of my shell and found that I didn't want to sit in a cube
all day and write code.  I then went to work for a small telcom interconnect
and learned all about PBXs.  Did that for 7 years.  I decided to make the
leap back into "real" computers and data.  I went to work for the phone
company as a field data technician.  Did that for 1 1/2 years and then
became a Sales Engineer.  Been doing that for about 3 years now.  I've got
lots of hands on and plenty of different certifications(Cisco, Bay/Nortel,
Fore/Marconi, etc...).  Last year, I decided to work towards my CCIE.  I
also decided to get all the intermediate certifications along the way.
Starting from last April to November, I did my CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, CCDP.  In
January of this year I did my Voice access specialization.  In February I
passed the CCIE written.  I've been hitting my engineering lab at work ever
since.  I did 4 hours a nite every day of the week and 12 hours each day of
the weekend since then.  Its been 3 1/2 months of hell.  My wife has been
very understanding.

Boy, was that a long rambling paragraph.  Hope my highschool english teacher
isn't reading this!

Thanks again,
Joe Martin
CCIE#5917, and a couple of other things...


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Re: New CCIE

[Joe Martin]

Heres some of my books:
 
Routing TCP/IP by Doyle
Internet Routing Architectures by 
Halabi
Bridges routers and switches by Caslow
CCIE Design and Case studies by Cisco
Advanced routing for Cisco by 
Slatterly
All-in-one Study guide by Giles
All-in-one lab study guide
Hard copy of all the 11.2 manuals
 
Other material:
 
Certificationzone.com
Fatkid.com
Cisco ASET lab in San Jose
 
Lots and lots of time!!!
 
JOE
CCIE#5917

  ""Z. Hassan"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...Congratulation 
  Joe. 
  Pls. give us some sight about the books that you read to pass the exams 
  Regards, 
  Z. 
  Joe Martin wrote: 
  H  e  l  l  o   from 
Sunny San Jose. 
I've just arrived back in my hotel after sucessfully completing the CCIE 
R/S lab. 
My brain isn't quite functioning correctly yet, but I wanted to pass 
along a great deal of thanks to everyone in the group.  I have 
learned so much from each of you.  I'll try to continue to lurk and 
help when I can. 
Here's a bit of my story: 
I'm 33.  Got my first computer when I was 13.  20 years.  
Wow!!!  Fell in love with programming.  At 17, I got a job 
teaching college and was building custom IBM compatibles for a friends 
business.  I taught continuing education computer classes.  
Did that for three years to help pay for my own college.  By my 
third year of college I burned out on programming.  I'd finally 
come out of my shell and found that I didn't want to sit in a cube all 
day and write code.  I then went to work for a small telcom 
interconnect and learned all about PBXs.  Did that for 7 
years.  I decided to make the leap back into "real" computers and 
data.  I went to work for the phone company as a field data 
technician.  Did that for 1 1/2 years and then became a Sales 
Engineer.  Been doing that for about 3 years now.  I've got 
lots of hands on and plenty of different certifications(Cisco, 
Bay/Nortel, Fore/Marconi, etc...).  Last year, I decided to work 
towards my CCIE.  I also decided to get all the intermediate 
certifications along the way. Starting from last April to November, I 
did my CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, CCDP.  In January of this year I did my 
Voice access specialization.  In February I passed the CCIE 
written.  I've been hitting my engineering lab at work ever 
since.  I did 4 hours a nite every day of the week and 12 hours 
each day of the weekend since then.  Its been 3 1/2 months of 
hell.  My wife has been very understanding. 
Boy, was that a long rambling paragraph.  Hope my highschool english 
teacher isn't reading this! 
Thanks again,     Joe Martin     
CCIE#5917, and a couple of other things... 
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RE: New CCIE

[Chuck Larrieu]

AALL
RIHHTT!

Way to go, Joe

So they were unable to bushwhack you after all!  I gather the key here is to
work hard, read a lot, try a bunch of things in the practice labs, and of
course offer advice and good counsel on occasion here in Groupstudy.

I know your life is about to get extremely interesting. But I sure hope you
still visit once in a while.

Take care.  And don't be walking too much higher than four feet off the
ground.

See you in Orlando?!

Chuck

-Original Message-
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Martin
Sent:   Sunday, May 28, 2000 4:58 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:New CCIE

H  e  l  l  o   from Sunny San Jose.

I've just arrived back in my hotel after sucessfully completing the CCIE R/S
lab.

My brain isn't quite functioning correctly yet, but I wanted to pass along a
great deal of thanks to everyone in the group.  I have learned so much from
each of you.  I'll try to continue to lurk and help when I can.

Here's a bit of my story:

I'm 33.  Got my first computer when I was 13.  20 years.  Wow!!!  Fell in
love with programming.  At 17, I got a job teaching college and was building
custom IBM compatibles for a friends business.  I taught continuing
education computer classes.  Did that for three years to help pay for my own
college.  By my third year of college I burned out on programming.  I'd
finally come out of my shell and found that I didn't want to sit in a cube
all day and write code.  I then went to work for a small telcom interconnect
and learned all about PBXs.  Did that for 7 years.  I decided to make the
leap back into "real" computers and data.  I went to work for the phone
company as a field data technician.  Did that for 1 1/2 years and then
became a Sales Engineer.  Been doing that for about 3 years now.  I've got
lots of hands on and plenty of different certifications(Cisco, Bay/Nortel,
Fore/Marconi, etc...).  Last year, I decided to work towards my CCIE.  I
also decided to get all the intermediate certifications along the way.
Starting from last April to November, I did my CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, CCDP.  In
January of this year I did my Voice access specialization.  In February I
passed the CCIE written.  I've been hitting my engineering lab at work ever
since.  I did 4 hours a nite every day of the week and 12 hours each day of
the weekend since then.  Its been 3 1/2 months of hell.  My wife has been
very understanding.

Boy, was that a long rambling paragraph.  Hope my highschool english teacher
isn't reading this!

Thanks again,
Joe Martin
CCIE#5917, and a couple of other things...


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Transparent Briding over Frame Relay Hub and Spoke

[Yuen Me]

Hi all,

I tend to conclude the following statement and pls confirm whether I'm 
right:

"point to point" subinterface is the only option in the HUB to allow spoke 
to spoke packet forwarding happen in transparent bridging environment.

I've tried physical interface and multipoint subinterface on hub. I've 
tried:
- making the hub as the root bridge
- extensive map statements in the hub and spoke with "broadcast" keyword

All of them fail. I believe transparent bridge does not allow the packet 
received on one interface to be forwarded to the same interface again, even 
though the paths (DLCI) are different.

Yuenme


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Re: New CCIE

[Z. Hassan]

Congratulation Joe.
Pls. give us some sight about the books that you read to pass the exams
Regards,
Z.
Joe Martin wrote:
H  e  l  l  o   from
Sunny San Jose.
I've just arrived back in my hotel after sucessfully completing the
CCIE R/S
lab.
My brain isn't quite functioning correctly yet, but I wanted to pass
along a
great deal of thanks to everyone in the group.  I have learned
so much from
each of you.  I'll try to continue to lurk and help when I can.
Here's a bit of my story:
I'm 33.  Got my first computer when I was 13.  20 years. 
Wow!!!  Fell in
love with programming.  At 17, I got a job teaching college and
was building
custom IBM compatibles for a friends business.  I taught continuing
education computer classes.  Did that for three years to help
pay for my own
college.  By my third year of college I burned out on programming. 
I'd
finally come out of my shell and found that I didn't want to sit in
a cube
all day and write code.  I then went to work for a small telcom
interconnect
and learned all about PBXs.  Did that for 7 years.  I decided
to make the
leap back into "real" computers and data.  I went to work for
the phone
company as a field data technician.  Did that for 1 1/2 years
and then
became a Sales Engineer.  Been doing that for about 3 years now. 
I've got
lots of hands on and plenty of different certifications(Cisco, Bay/Nortel,
Fore/Marconi, etc...).  Last year, I decided to work towards my
CCIE.  I
also decided to get all the intermediate certifications along the way.
Starting from last April to November, I did my CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, CCDP. 
In
January of this year I did my Voice access specialization.  In
February I
passed the CCIE written.  I've been hitting my engineering lab
at work ever
since.  I did 4 hours a nite every day of the week and 12 hours
each day of
the weekend since then.  Its been 3 1/2 months of hell. 
My wife has been
very understanding.
Boy, was that a long rambling paragraph.  Hope my highschool english
teacher
isn't reading this!
Thanks again,
    Joe Martin
    CCIE#5917, and a couple of other things...
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BSCN Update

[Z. Hassan]

Hi everyone.
Has anyone got any update about BSCN ?
I have searched Amazon and Cisco Press and haven't found anything.
Is it really true that Cisco is not going to publish the objectives
of the exam ?
A request to anyone to who has already has taken the exam  "Please
outline the topic of the exam". I guess that by doing this no one will
break the non disclosure agreement.
Can anyone also recommend some books for this exam ?
Any help would be highly appreciated.
Z.
 

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CID flash cards online

[Bernard]

With the help of the Lord and with the help of you knowledgable listers,
yesterday I completed the CCDP track by passing the CID test.

As a token of my appreciation to you people, I am putting my flash cards
online for your use, free.

There are almost 660 questions and answers at:
www.networkking.net/cid
www.networkking.net/cid2
You should be able to use both IE and Netscape to browse them.

Also, my CCDA flash cards are still online at:
www.networkking.net/ccda
This one needs IE5 only, sorry.

Any comments/corrections are welcome.

Bernard
MCSE, CCDP, CCNP


BTW: Any news from Joe Martin? I hope he comes back with good news.




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RE: Transparent Briding over Frame Relay Hub and Spoke

[Ryan Moffett]

You can configure transparent bridging over Frame Relay point-multipoint
interfaces.

See:
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/12cgcr/wan_c
/wcfrelay.htm#xtocid2427346

Basically, on the point-multipoint subinterface, you need to associate the
DLCI's with a bridge group using the "frame-relay map bridge" command.   An
example is given here:
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/12cgcr/wan_r
/wrfrelay.htm#xtocid18778220

Ryan

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Yuen Me
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 7:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Transparent Briding over Frame Relay Hub and Spoke


Hi all,

I tend to conclude the following statement and pls confirm whether I'm
right:

"point to point" subinterface is the only option in the HUB to allow spoke
to spoke packet forwarding happen in transparent bridging environment.

I've tried physical interface and multipoint subinterface on hub. I've
tried:
- making the hub as the root bridge
- extensive map statements in the hub and spoke with "broadcast" keyword

All of them fail. I believe transparent bridge does not allow the packet
received on one interface to be forwarded to the same interface again, even
though the paths (DLCI) are different.

Yuenme


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Re: WAN question

[Michael L. Williams]

I believe the FCC limits this, but as far as I know, v.90, K56Flex and x2
are all limited to 33.6Kbps upload speed.
Can anyone else back this up?

Mike W.

Krazikat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Has anyone here researched the problems that modem manufacturers may be
> having now?  For years they were making a killing selling newer faster
> modems.  Now the can't do anything because of POTS limitations.  I wonder
> how this has affected company profits etc.??
>
> "Diegmueller, Jason (I.T. Dept)" wrote:
>
> > : POTS stands for Plain Ol' Telephone Service, which is limited to 56K
> > : (and further limited to 53K in the U.S. by the FCC)
> >
> > This is a technical list, and I'd like to discuss this:
> >
> > I've heard that the 53k FCC limit was an x2 limitation, not a K56Flex
> > or v90 limitation.  The website I read this on was quite persistant
> > about this, insulting USR for propograting the "lie" that 53K was
> > the ceiling, when really it was just the ceiling for THEIR technology.
> >
> > Does anyone know the official verdict on this?
> >
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Re: CCNA!!

[Michael L. Williams]

Todd Lammle's book for the CCNA is excellent.  There were a few details I
saw on practice exams that weren't mentioned (FECNs and BECNs for Frame
Relay), but other than that, it was a great book for learning 95% of what
the CCNA exams cover.

The virtual lab, on the other hand, wasn't "all that".  It understood very
few of the router commands, and aside from very basic configuration, was of
no use for real learning.  You may want to check out http://www.r1r2.com .
It has 5 "labs" setup, each with two 2500 series routers connected together
via v.35 serial and ethernet, as well as a TFTP server on the ethernet
network to save/load configuration and hands-on lab experiments they
provide.  Excellent place to learn what the real hardware looks and acts
like.

I would also agree with another post in this thread who said to have a basic
understanding of networks and TCP/IP before diving into Todd's CCNA book.

Good luck!

Mike W.

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I bought Todd Lammle's book for CCNA.I wonder how do you guys rate this
book
> for beginners.And also,has anyone used e-trainer from sybex for CCNA lab??
is
> it worth spending $99?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Kazi, A+,MCP
>
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Re: Paper Vs hands on

[Dick Silva]

Assuming that what your posting says is true, then any company would be
ahead of the game by hiring you even though you have no experience.  You
have demonstrated initiative, motivation, and drive.

I assure you if I encounter anyone looking for an entry level individual, I
will pass your e-mail on.

Having said the above, the whole "paper Vs hands on" is rather off topic
imho.  This URL is to help each other learn.

I get tired of reading about all the elitist who worry about the
certifications becoming worthless.  That's Cisco's worry.  And if you cry
about how you worked hard to get your ccxx.  Well so did the guy above.

And to all of you who like to flame those who don't agree with you, well
pretend you can read sign language and imagine the sign I am giving you.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, May 28, 2000 5:36 PM
Subject: Paper Vs hands on


>Let's talk about this for a minute or two, just to clear something that has
>been inside of me for a while, since i joined this group about a year ago I
>hear lots of you say
>" get experience", like it is somenthing you just go to the grocery store
and
>buy it, if it was like that, i would gather as much money as i could, to
buy
>the most i can.
>Take me for example, I have been parking cars for 7 years now at $ 7.50
>an hour,
>In 1997, because i wanted to improve my way of life, i started buying and
>studying books, first I got my A+ cert, Then my MCP, right now i only need
2
>electives to have the MCSE, then i got my Network+, then my CCNA, from the
>ccnp i passed the acrc and the cit, I bought all the cisco books for the
>ccnp, the ccda,ccdp,ccie, i even took the ccie written , of course i
failed,
>but it is a good experience, and i think the acrc is a harder exam, but the
>ccie is a more broader exam.
>going back to the main topic, I started studying because nobody would
>hire me because i do not have neither the knowledge nor the experience that
i
>needed, now I have, not all the knowledge but some, as far as the A+ goes i
>feel confident, i have asembled and sold over a few years maybe 100
>computers, as far as my troubleshooting skills i feel more than good, as
far
>as the rest goes, i have a small network at home, not with routers, because
i
>cannot afford them, i have 4 workstations and 2 servers, so i practice a
lot.
>Since i joined this group i hear you people talking about getting
>experience, about paper Vs hands on, AT first nobody hires you because you
do
>not have the knowledge or the experience, then somehow you manage to get
some
>knowledge,
>but then again, this time nobody hires you because you do not have the
>experience, and you people talk about it , the so much appreciated
experience
>, like it is so easy
>to get
>I have posted my resume all over, willing to start with anything, but
>whoever calls, the first question is, Where have you worked before?, how
long
>have your worked in the industry?, as soon as I tell them my experience is
>with a small network i have at home, they think for a minute or two, thet
>said i call you back, but they never do.
>I have spent Ks of dollars, and i am convinced that it is not worth ,
to
>keep spending more in the sense of trying to get a better life, it is
almost
>impossible; in the sense of getting knowledge is a good thing to do, but up
>to certain limits.
>
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RE: traceroute question

[Andrew Lennon]

This is due to the dns timeouts. Try adding a "no ip domain-lookup" or
specify an "ip name-server a.b.c.d" in your config. The x.ms * x.ms in the
traceroute shows that the trace has made its final destination.

Regards,

Andrew Lennon, CCDP, CCNP, MCSE



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Richard Holland
Sent: 26 May 2000 20:00
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: traceroute question


A little bit of strange behavior, first off my setup:

Cisco 2501 with IOS 12.0.9 Enterprise
Cisco 2504 with IOS 11.2 Enterprise

Cross over DTE<->DCE cable connecting their Sync Serial ports together

Right now im running hdlc b/w them, i've tried ppp, frame with maps, no
inv-arp, etc.. it made no difference.

then network on the interfaces is 192.168.1.0/30

I have connectivity, ping works great, trace does NOT work hardly at all
though.

RouterA-DCE#Trace RouterB

then it hangs for a good 3-4 seconds
normally the trip times are 8ms * 4ms

as you can see, the middle time is a *, debug ip icmp shows the port
unreachables being sent and recv'd (two of them).

Now the oddball part is, if you feed it no ip classless, the router
broadcasts (255.255.255.255) the icmp packets out all the interfaces except
Serial0, unicast on it.. this makes it take even longer! (normally 3
broadcasts 1 unicast/unicast reply, 3 broadcasts, etc)

Any idea what's up?  NO other networks configured on the router (which also
gets rid of the broadcasts), routing table just has the connected route to
192.168.1.0/30 out Serial0

Richard Holland
CCNP/MCSE

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Re: Paper Vs hands on

[niallr]

Getting experience unfortunately takes a while, and usually isn't immediately
rewarding financially. I was in a position similar to yours about 5 years ago.
What got me out of that was taking a grunt job in a helpdesk. No I didn't get to
do anything with routers other than call Sprint and let them know circuits were
down. Mostly I diagnosed server problems and talked users through printing
problems. It was even a pay cut from my previous crappy job. For six months
things sucked, but at the end I had a good start on my resume. I've changed jobs
a few times since then, each time moving a little higher on the food chain. It
can be done. Leverage your experience with PCs to get a helpdesk\entry level tech
position. Don't expect to be playing with routers or even seeing them for a
while. By all means keep practicing and taking tests on your own. Take advantage
of any training materials that are available through your employer, even stuff
that doesn't seem horribly pertinent. It will pay off if you keep at it. Take the
opportunity to learn every time you answer a user call. When you place a trouble
call with a carrier, make sure you find out what the problem was (even if you
don't completely understand the answer) and remember what symptoms you observed
so that when it happens again you can use that info to shorten the
troubleshooting time. Not a dream job, but it does get you in the door and a good
many positions like this should be available to to someone with your skills, even
without that hard-to-acquire previous industry experience.

Niall
SBC Datacomm

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Let's talk about this for a minute or two, just to clear something that has
> been inside of me for a while, since i joined this group about a year ago I
> hear lots of you say
> " get experience", like it is somenthing you just go to the grocery store and
> buy it, if it was like that, i would gather as much money as i could, to buy
> the most i can.
> Take me for example, I have been parking cars for 7 years now at $ 7.50
> an hour,
> In 1997, because i wanted to improve my way of life, i started buying and
> studying books, first I got my A+ cert, Then my MCP, right now i only need 2
> electives to have the MCSE, then i got my Network+, then my CCNA, from the
> ccnp i passed the acrc and the cit, I bought all the cisco books for the
> ccnp, the ccda,ccdp,ccie, i even took the ccie written , of course i failed,
> but it is a good experience, and i think the acrc is a harder exam, but the
> ccie is a more broader exam.
> going back to the main topic, I started studying because nobody would
> hire me because i do not have neither the knowledge nor the experience that i
> needed, now I have, not all the knowledge but some, as far as the A+ goes i
> feel confident, i have asembled and sold over a few years maybe 100
> computers, as far as my troubleshooting skills i feel more than good, as far
> as the rest goes, i have a small network at home, not with routers, because i
> cannot afford them, i have 4 workstations and 2 servers, so i practice a lot.
> Since i joined this group i hear you people talking about getting
> experience, about paper Vs hands on, AT first nobody hires you because you do
> not have the knowledge or the experience, then somehow you manage to get some
> knowledge,
> but then again, this time nobody hires you because you do not have the
> experience, and you people talk about it , the so much appreciated experience
> , like it is so easy
> to get
> I have posted my resume all over, willing to start with anything, but
> whoever calls, the first question is, Where have you worked before?, how long
> have your worked in the industry?, as soon as I tell them my experience is
> with a small network i have at home, they think for a minute or two, thet
> said i call you back, but they never do.
> I have spent Ks of dollars, and i am convinced that it is not worth , to
> keep spending more in the sense of trying to get a better life, it is almost
> impossible; in the sense of getting knowledge is a good thing to do, but up
> to certain limits.
>
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out how to tune around error rates caused by gunfire hitting the
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Re: priority list

[BigMan]

hi jaq ...

these numbers are the queue maximum number of packets in each queue .. this
means that the router will not allow any queue to have packets more than the
specified value here ... you can change the queue number in addtion to the
priority list configuration to have better controll over the traffic .. .

"Jacques Lee" wrote in message <8gqksk$kv8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Dear all,
>
>I've configure a priority list, after the command show int s0, the
following
>is displayed:
>
> Queueing strategy: priority-list 1
>  Output queue: high 0/10/0, medium 0/40/0, normal 0/80/0, low 0/80/0
>
>what do the numbers means 0/10/0 etc?
>
>I've assign telnet to the high queue to prevent delay.
>default is normal.
>
>Thanks
>
>--
>Jacques Lee
>CCNA



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Re: Hello packets

[BigMan]

hello  Jaq ..

I've read recently the OSPF and EIGRP in the ACRC course , I didn't revise
it yet so I maybe wrong but what I know about this is that
1-the hello intervel in ospf is 10 sec by default in multiarea configuration
.

2-the hello packets are used to verify the state os the adjacent links ...
it is broadcasted on each interface .

3-is a link went dead then the router that discovered it will issue a  LSU "
link state update " packets and send it to it's adjacent routers and then
the receiving routers will update their link state tree and issuse a LSA "
link state acknowldge packets in responce .

now you should only know that normally in a single area configuration all
the communication between the adjacnet routers is done through the DR or the
BDR" disgnated router or backup disgnated router " on othere word there is
no direct link between any two adjacent router they communicate with
eachother through the dr or bdr ..

as for the EIGRP ... I really don't remmber much about it .. but I think the
hello packets are issued every 60 sec .

hope I was of any help ..



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>Dear all,
>
>I'm a little bit confused with the update time interval for hello
>packets sent in OSPF and EIGRP. by default, is it 10s or 5s ?
>
>Thanks
>
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Paper Vs hands on

[ENEMENCIO]

Let's talk about this for a minute or two, just to clear something that has 
been inside of me for a while, since i joined this group about a year ago I 
hear lots of you say 
" get experience", like it is somenthing you just go to the grocery store and 
buy it, if it was like that, i would gather as much money as i could, to buy 
the most i can.
Take me for example, I have been parking cars for 7 years now at $ 7.50 
an hour,
In 1997, because i wanted to improve my way of life, i started buying and 
studying books, first I got my A+ cert, Then my MCP, right now i only need 2 
electives to have the MCSE, then i got my Network+, then my CCNA, from the 
ccnp i passed the acrc and the cit, I bought all the cisco books for the 
ccnp, the ccda,ccdp,ccie, i even took the ccie written , of course i failed, 
but it is a good experience, and i think the acrc is a harder exam, but the 
ccie is a more broader exam.
going back to the main topic, I started studying because nobody would 
hire me because i do not have neither the knowledge nor the experience that i 
needed, now I have, not all the knowledge but some, as far as the A+ goes i 
feel confident, i have asembled and sold over a few years maybe 100 
computers, as far as my troubleshooting skills i feel more than good, as far 
as the rest goes, i have a small network at home, not with routers, because i 
cannot afford them, i have 4 workstations and 2 servers, so i practice a lot.
Since i joined this group i hear you people talking about getting 
experience, about paper Vs hands on, AT first nobody hires you because you do 
not have the knowledge or the experience, then somehow you manage to get some 
knowledge, 
but then again, this time nobody hires you because you do not have the 
experience, and you people talk about it , the so much appreciated experience 
, like it is so easy  
to get
I have posted my resume all over, willing to start with anything, but 
whoever calls, the first question is, Where have you worked before?, how long 
have your worked in the industry?, as soon as I tell them my experience is 
with a small network i have at home, they think for a minute or two, thet 
said i call you back, but they never do.
I have spent Ks of dollars, and i am convinced that it is not worth , to 
keep spending more in the sense of trying to get a better life, it is almost 
impossible; in the sense of getting knowledge is a good thing to do, but up 
to certain limits.

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Re: EOL FOR 25.....

[Nick Brooks]

yes, it does.

Jeff Kell wrote:
> 
> Nick Brooks wrote:
> >
> > no, but they just announced the 4500, and 4700's are going EOS on
> > Nov 25, 2000.
> 
> Does that include the 4500M as well?
> 
> Jeff Kell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Re: EOL FOR 25.....

[Nick Brooks]

The EOL Matrix doesn't reflect all of the products that Cisco EOL's. 
There are more that are EOL than what is listed on there.

I'll post both the url, and the document itself on the 4X00 EOS
announcement tomorrow.

ElephantChild wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 28 May 2000, Scott Nelson wrote:
> 
> > That would make sense since the 36xx series is replacing the 4xxx series.
> > Plus the fact that you can use certain 36xx parts on other routers but 4xxx
> > parts only go on 4xxx routers. Cisco is trying to "modularize things" to
> > make more things work with other products to simplify things a bit, among
> > other reasons.
> 
> Hmm, I just had a look at the URL you metioned in another message and
> uit lists the 4500 as EOS'd in 95, suggested replacement = 4500M, no end
> of support date given, and no mention of EOS for 4500M, 4700, or 4700M.
> But then, it was last updated 1 month ago.
> 
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> , [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Trygar)
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, 4500/4500M and 4700/4700M.
> > > I just tried the link and it states "Doc Not Found" when I viewed it 2
> > > days ago. The End of Sale (new purchases) is 1-2 months away or the end of
> > > the year (can't remember). The End of Life is 5 years from EOS in year
> > > 2005.
> > >
> > > Jeff Kell wrote:
> > >
> > >> Nick Brooks wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > no, but they just announced the 4500, and 4700's are going EOS on
> > >> > Nov 25, 2000.
> > >>
> > >> Does that include the 4500M as well?
> > >>
> > >> Jeff Kell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I was thinking about taking the FRS 640-409 exam and i was wondering how
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Re: Passed CIT today and am I surprised.

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Re: EOL FOR 25.....

[Scott Nelson]

That would make sense since the 36xx series is replacing the 4xxx series.
Plus the fact that you can use certain 36xx parts on other routers but 4xxx
parts only go on 4xxx routers. Cisco is trying to "modularize things" to
make more things work with other products to simplify things a bit, among
other reasons.

Scott



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> Yes, 4500/4500M and 4700/4700M.
> I just tried the link and it states "Doc Not Found" when I viewed it 2
> days ago. The End of Sale (new purchases) is 1-2 months away or the end of
> the year (can't remember). The End of Life is 5 years from EOS in year
> 2005.
>
> Tom Trygar
>
> Jeff Kell wrote:
>
>> Nick Brooks wrote:
>> >
>> > no, but they just announced the 4500, and 4700's are going EOS on
>> > Nov 25, 2000.
>>
>> Does that include the 4500M as well?
>>
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Re: routing protocol

[Priscilla Oppenheimer]

Some routing protocols run right on top of IP, some on top of UDP, some on top
of TCP, and IS-IS runs directly over the data-link layer, so researching the
answer is a bit difficult.

Your best bet is to go to the RFC for the protocol of interest or RFC 1700,
the
Assigned Numbers RFC, as Chuck L. said. Also, check out books by Doyle,
Berkowitz, etc. Also, get yourself a Sniffer! ;-)

With that said, here's what I recall:

BGP uses TCP port 179
RIP uses UDP port 520

IGRP uses IP protocol type 88 
OSPF uses IP protocol type 89

IS-IS uses SAP FE

Priscilla



At 10:18 AM 5/28/2000 +0800, fanj wrote: 
>
> can someone tell me which port the routing protocols are using ? where can I
> get the details of all the protocols ? Thanks in advance




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Re: 12 port Giga switch up for trade!

[Bernard]

Join:   http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/

Bernard


---

I know this isn't really the right question to ask here...

I am looking for a better news group or web site that I could advertise a
trade, anything for just network equipment? Not interested in Etrade or
other auction sites yet.

I have a 3Com 12 port GigaSwitch (Superstack II 9300) its in excellent
condition and runs on the latest version of software.

Retail price is around 9000.00 US or so. I just want to trade it out for
maybe 4 Cisco 2500's or maybe just 1 higher end Cisco router. Need em for my
lab :) Email me if interested [EMAIL PROTECTED]

You can find more info at
http://support.3com.com/infodeli/tools/switches/s_stack2/10012935/10012935/i
ndex.htm
or
http://www.3com.com/products/dsheets/400260a.html#3900



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Re: EOL FOR 25.....

[Thomas Trygar]

Yes, 4500/4500M and 4700/4700M.
I just tried the link and it states "Doc Not Found" when I viewed it 2
days ago. The End of Sale (new purchases) is 1-2 months away or the end of
the year (can't remember). The End of Life is 5 years from EOS in year
2005.

Tom Trygar

Jeff Kell wrote:

> Nick Brooks wrote:
> >
> > no, but they just announced the 4500, and 4700's are going EOS on
> > Nov 25, 2000.
>
> Does that include the 4500M as well?
>
> Jeff Kell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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RE: EOL FOR 25.....

[William E Gragido]

EOL?

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Scott Nelson
> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 9:54 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: EOL FOR 25.
>
>
> http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/cisco/mkt/gen/prodlit/eol_ai.htm
>
> This does not require a CCO to view.
> It is available on the public.
>
> Scott
>
>
>
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> , [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick
> Brooks) wrote:
>
> > I've the url at work, not home. It requires Partner CCO access, but i'd
> > be more than happy to attach the html document.  it will be monday
> > before i go in.
> >
> > ElephantChild wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 27 May 2000, Nick Brooks wrote:
> >>
> >> > no, but they just announced the 4500, and 4700's are going EOS on Nov
> >> > 25, 2000.
> >>
> >> Hmm, did I fall through a worm hole and fail to notice? ISTR that the
> >> 4500 was announced at the same time as 10.2, some 6-7 years ago...
> >>
> >> > Amit Mohanty wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Guys,
> >> > > Tell me boyz, is Cisco about to give a EOL to its 2500
> series routers?
> >> > > Amit
> >>
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> >> true gut-wrenching terror, have children. --Dusty Rhoades.
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RE: Frame vs PPP

[William E Gragido]

If security was the overall concern wouldn't be safer to utilize PPTP in
this scenario rather than straight PPP?  I would think so due to the
tunneling aspect of the line protocol that allows for encrypeted
transmission that this would be the method of choice when taking a look at
these options.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Jorge Rodriguez
> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 10:13 AM
> To: Brandon Peyton; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Frame vs PPP
>
>
> Point-to-Point DS3 alouds  more security. That is,   from the telephone
> carrier providing the T3 pipe to the custumer will not be shared
> by others.
> In other words, the DS3 from the SONET card/module data traffic going
> through it will be for that cutomer only. This could be one reason !
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brandon Peyton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 5:31 AM
> Subject: Frame vs PPP
>
>
> > Someone from work said that they would prefer to use
> > PPP over a DS3 instead of Frame
> >
> > I dont understand why...
> >
> > Is this illogical or reasonable?
> >
> > Thanks
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12 port Giga switch up for trade!

[Ryan Ward]

I know this isn't really the right question to ask here...

I am looking for a better news group or web site that I could advertise a
trade, anything for just network equipment? Not interested in Etrade or
other auction sites yet.

I have a 3Com 12 port GigaSwitch (Superstack II 9300) its in excellent
condition and runs on the latest version of software.

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maybe 4 Cisco 2500's or maybe just 1 higher end Cisco router. Need em for my
lab :) Email me if interested [EMAIL PROTECTED]

You can find more info at
http://support.3com.com/infodeli/tools/switches/s_stack2/10012935/10012935/i
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or
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Re: Frame vs PPP

[Jorge Rodriguez]

Point-to-Point DS3 alouds  more security. That is,   from the telephone
carrier providing the T3 pipe to the custumer will not be shared by others.
In other words, the DS3 from the SONET card/module data traffic going
through it will be for that cutomer only. This could be one reason !

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From: "Brandon Peyton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 5:31 AM
Subject: Frame vs PPP


> Someone from work said that they would prefer to use
> PPP over a DS3 instead of Frame
>
> I dont understand why...
>
> Is this illogical or reasonable?
>
> Thanks
> Brandon
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Re: EOL FOR 25.....

[Scott Nelson]

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/cisco/mkt/gen/prodlit/eol_ai.htm

This does not require a CCO to view.
It is available on the public.

Scott




In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> , [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick
Brooks) wrote:

> I've the url at work, not home. It requires Partner CCO access, but i'd
> be more than happy to attach the html document.  it will be monday
> before i go in.
>
> ElephantChild wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 27 May 2000, Nick Brooks wrote:
>>
>> > no, but they just announced the 4500, and 4700's are going EOS on Nov
>> > 25, 2000.
>>
>> Hmm, did I fall through a worm hole and fail to notice? ISTR that the
>> 4500 was announced at the same time as 10.2, some 6-7 years ago...
>>
>> > Amit Mohanty wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Guys,
>> > > Tell me boyz, is Cisco about to give a EOL to its 2500 series routers?
>> > > Amit
>>
>> --
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>> true gut-wrenching terror, have children. --Dusty Rhoades.


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Re: CCIE Design Lab Format Released

[Krazikat]

Anyone have an idea how they are going to number the passing certs?  Are they
going to continue adding onto the CCIE R/S and CCIE Dial numbers? Or will it be
CCDE with new numbers instead of CCIE Design?  It would be nice to start with
new numbers, giving some newer people a chance to have a lower number.

Ryan Moffett wrote:

> For anyone wondering, Cisco has released the format of the design lab.   You
> can get it here:
> http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/design.html#4
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Re: CCIE Design Lab Format Released

[Krazikat]

Anyone have an idea how they are going to number the passing certs?  Are they
going to continue adding onto the CCIE R/S and CCIE Dial numbers? Or will it be
CCDE with new numbers instead of CCIE Design?  It would be nice to start with
new numbers, giving some newer people a chance to have a lower number.

Ryan Moffett wrote:

> For anyone wondering, Cisco has released the format of the design lab.   You
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> http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/design.html#4
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Re: OFF TOPIC: 3com Switch

[Scott Nelson]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> , 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Sadowski") wrote:

>
>
> Has anyone had any experiance with 3com Superstack 1000 switches?
>
> I'm getting a post error:
>
> POST error = NET_receive timeout on port 0
>
> Does anyone know what this means?

-->I can assume that the switch does not boot up correctly?

Sounds like it is trying to get it's config from a tftp server.

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Re: Hello packets

[Jacques Lee]

Thanks, thats exactly what I think. Taking the ACRC on Friday, just wanna
make sure my understanding are valid.

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>I Think is it 10seconds for OSPF, I know it is 5seconds for EIGRP
>>
>>At 01:40 PM 5/28/00 +0800, Jacques Lee wrote:
>> >Dear all,
>> >
>> >I'm a little bit confused with the update time interval for hello
>> >packets sent in OSPF and EIGRP. by default, is it 10s or 5s ?
>> >
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Re: priority list

[Michael Fountain]

I'd say look at Cisco's web pages to be sure, but I think it is number of 
packets in queue, max size of queue allowable, and number of packets that 
have been dropped by that queue.

I don't know if it is 'normal' to put telnet in the high priority queue, but 
it probably won't hurt since telnet traffic usually so light it won't impact 
any other applications.


>Dear all,
>
>I've configure a priority list, after the command show int s0, the 
>following
>is displayed:
>
>  Queueing strategy: priority-list 1
>   Output queue: high 0/10/0, medium 0/40/0, normal 0/80/0, low 0/80/0
>
>what do the numbers means 0/10/0 etc?
>
>I've assign telnet to the high queue to prevent delay.
>default is normal.
>
>Thanks
>
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Re: Hello packets

[Michael Fountain]

I Think is it 10seconds for OSPF, I know it is 5seconds for EIGRP
>
>At 01:40 PM 5/28/00 +0800, Jacques Lee wrote:
> >Dear all,
> >
> >I'm a little bit confused with the update time interval for hello
> >packets sent in OSPF and EIGRP. by default, is it 10s or 5s ?
> >
> >Thanks
> >


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Frame vs PPP

[Brandon Peyton]

Someone from work said that they would prefer to use
PPP over a DS3 instead of Frame

I dont understand why...

Is this illogical or reasonable?

Thanks
Brandon

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Re: Todd's trainer

[Z. Hassan]

www.routersim.com
Z.
Oz wrote:
WWW.lammle.com
oz
you were singing the praises of Todd's trainer but neglected to give
a URL
on where to
purchase this item.  Can you give me a hand at locating it?
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priority list

[Jacques Lee]

Dear all,

I've configure a priority list, after the command show int s0, the following
is displayed:

 Queueing strategy: priority-list 1
  Output queue: high 0/10/0, medium 0/40/0, normal 0/80/0, low 0/80/0

what do the numbers means 0/10/0 etc?

I've assign telnet to the high queue to prevent delay.
default is normal.

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Queuing

[Jacques Lee]

Dear all,

I've configure a priority list to prevent delay in telnet sessions.
With the command show int s0, the following is shown:

 Queueing strategy: priority-list 1
  Output queue: high 0/10/0, medium 0/40/0, normal 0/80/0, low 0/80/0

What do the numbers 0/10/0 means?


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Re: startup-config file open failed

[Flem]

yep , best guess is that someone is telnetted in to
this c2600 and has the sh start in the  --More--
position .

This will prevent you from writing to nvram .

flem

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> C2600#wr mem
> Warning: Attempting to overwrite an NVRAM
> configuration previously written
> by a different version of the system image.
> Overwrite the previous NVRAM configuration?[confirm]
> startup-config file open failed (Device or resource
> busy)
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Re: Multiple Serial Interface

[klittlet]

Here's a page that shows how to do inverse mux using multilink PPP.
I think this is the page that was previously mentioned.
Good Luck

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/131/7.html

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> I have two switched 56 K circuits going into a Cisco 2610. Currently each
> serial interfaces have an IP address assigned to them. How can I bundle
both
> interfaces together so it looks like one interface with one IP address.
>
> Thanks
>
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HSRP/Load Balancing

[NHeidler]

Hola newbies. I had a question that went unanswered a while back about load
balancing and backup. I found the answer to it tonight. See this link for
information:

http://www.cisco.com/cpress/cc/td/cpress/ccie/ndcs798/nd2022.htm#xtocid185122

Now for those of you in the real world.no where in this doc do I see a switch. If 
there were one, do you just tell it to accept traffic from any
of the routers, and are there weights or values to do this? Does the switch send some 
kind of hello packet to find out who the main router is
or what???

Thanks!

Nat
CCNA. MCSE, CNA

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RE: [SYS-4-CONFIG_NEWER] question - please help

[Flem]

Francis ,

A 'wr t' always shows a version number that matches
the
IOS you are currently using .
So if you write this config to startup you also put
back the version number 12.0 .

Cisco sometimes changes defaults or add defaults when
going from one code level to another ( eg 12.0.5 to
12.0.9 ) . In these cases , when you come from an
higher version to a lower version of code , I
understand this message . But as soon you write the
current config to nvram the messages should stop .

Just my opinion .

Your case below you told the router that the config
was made with 11.0 .

Can think of any suggestion at this point .
It is not a serious message , rather a warning .
Should not cause any harm .

--- Francis Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah, Flem, I'm positive the error pops up there...
> :-)
> 
> Well, I did exactly what you suggest and changed the
> version from 12.0 to
> 11.0 and the error's gone!
> 
> ok...  so what does it mean over here? Am I telling
> the system that the
> config is actually done in 11.0?
> 
> One thing I notice is that, if I ever want to modify
> the configuration, as
> soon as I "write mem", the config goes back to
> "version 12.0"..  :-(
> 
>   -francis
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Flem [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 8:37 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [SYS-4-CONFIG_NEWER] question - please
> help
> 
> 
> Are you sure that the message was printed right
> after the system bootstrap ?
> 
> It sure looks like an IOS message and I expect to
> see
> this message later on , as IOS is processing the
> config file .
> 
> You can easely generate this message .
> 
> 1/ copy your running config to an tftp server.
> 2/ edit this config file and change the version
> command
>to reflect a software version higher than you are
>running .
> 3/ tftp the modified config to startup
> 4/ reload the router without saving the running
> config
>to the startup config .
> 
> 00:00:08: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface Serial1/6,
> changed
> state to down
> 00:00:08: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface Serial1/7,
> changed
> state to down
> 00:00:09: %SYS-4-CONFIG_NEWER: Configuration from
> version 16.0 may not be correctly understood
> ^
> I changed the version keyword to version 16.0 .
> 
> As the IOS loads it looks at the version entry in
> the
> config . If the keyword indicates an older version
> than the one you are running it prints out this
> message .
> 
> What puzzels me is that you just did the opposite :)
> 
> flem
> 
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RE: routing protocol

[Chuck Larrieu]

RFC 
1700 is a good place to start
 
ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc1700.txt
 
you 
might want to bookmark the following link. you will be referring to it often 
during your studies going forward.
 
http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc.html
 
HTH  
 
Chuck

  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of fanjSent: 
  Saturday, May 27, 2000 7:19 PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: routing protocol
  can someone tell me which port the routing 
  protocols are using ? where can I get the details of all the protocols ? 
  Thanks in advance