CCNP 2.0 Curriculums now available

[Igor A. Birioukov]

Hi

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/pdf/ccna_507.pdf
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/pdf/bcmsn.pdf
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/pdf/bcran.pdf
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/pdf/bscn.pdf
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/pdf/cit.pdf

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Re: CCIE (ScanMail Checked: Virus Free!)

[HWH]

>Just curious does anyone know what the CCIE number is up to?...meaning
how
>mant CCIE's are out there?

I guess it's around where Joe Martin is. # 59xx thereabouts.


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RE: Loopback Address

[chester]

You can refer following documents. 
http://www.cisco.com/public/cons/isp/documents/loopback.pdf

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Subject: Re: Loopback Address



Loopback is a virtual inteface on the router. It 
is up all the time. 
There are some routing prototocols require a router ID 
such as OSPF and BGP. If you use a phyical interface's 
ip address as the router's ID, when that physical interface 
goes down, the routing adjacency will change/break. In the 
OSPF case, right after the reboot, when all the physical 
interfaces are not up yet (keepalive have not been exchanged), 
the OSPF process may not start at all, because no router ID 
is available yet. 
Another usage is, when you use unnumber layer 3 addresses, 
sometime, you want to test the reachability to the router, 
you can use the loopback interface address for this purpose. 
You can also use loopback interface for testing purposes. Such 
as, define a bouch of layer 3 networks on the lookback interfaces 
(you can have multiple loopback interfaces on a router) 
and test the routing protocols and updates etc. 
You can also use lookup interface to perform routing load balance: 
S0 S0 
R1 === R2 
S1 S1 
On the routers you can setup static routes with the next hop addressed to 
the loopback interface address on the other router. Since the router has 
two paths to that loopback interface, therefore you can reach the next hop 
using two paths. This static route can be useful, for example, in the case 
of BGP routing etc. 
You can also use loopback interface to perform debug without affect any 
physical connection. Such as observe routing updates etc. 
That's all I can think about. Maybe others can add more.. 
Jim Xie 
International Network Service.  



At 08:49 AM 06/08/2000 +0700, Distiawan wrote: 
>
> Dear Netters,
> I don't really understand what is Loopback Address used for ?
> Is there any body can explain it to me more detail ?
> Tx



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Re: Cisco drawing tool

[Deepak Sharma]

 http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/tablebuild.pl/configmaker

this one works really well

Deepak

LORENZO Juan Ignacio wrote:

> Does anybody know about a FREE Cisco Drawing tool to make nice network
> designs and of course that include all the Cisco equipments (Routers & Cat).
> I need the link!!
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> TIA
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Re: Used 2500 Router

[adam lee]

There used to be a website that had used prices for
networking equipment.  Does anyone know the url for it?

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software tools

[tazar Ing]

Anyone knows any good software tool that we can use to measure traffic in 
operational ip backbone networks.. and what is the dominant application 
traffic now on the internet ( web application ??? )

Thks/Brgds
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Re: CIT 4.0 Vs Support 2.0

[woody]

I havent sat the new exam but I have been reading the list  for over a month
now.  Why dont you take a look at Igor A. Birioukovs post from earlier
today.  He gives the new PDF links for the CCNP 2.0 exams (quite handy).

General concensus from  this list over the last couple of weeks is that the
content is 95%ish unchanged, so the old material should still suffice.  I
would imagine they have moved the emphasis from ISDN and spread the exam
topics more evenly across the other possible topics.

Hope this helps...

That link is at (if you haven't got the earlier post).  Watch the wrap... -

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/pdf/cit.pdf

Keith


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telnet, ping, multicast and etc

[Sim, CT (Chee Tong)]

Dear friends,

Can I ask you some basic question, don't laugh at me  :P  if u just want to
answer me one of the question, just help me .

1) What is difference between ping and telnet? telnet is using port 23, how
about PING? which port is that?   I understand we can use the access-list to
control whether a telnet session can be established, how about ping, Are we
using the ip route command to whether PING traffic to pass thru?  

2) We open a port in Firewall to let user can telnet to a server in remote
site.  Does it mean that we can ping to the server.  If not, What should we
do in order to let user can ping to the server?

3) What is mean by Multicast?  I know there is a range of IP for Multicast?
But when we need it?  


Thanks

Sim Chee Tong






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pls hellp --syntax shown

[Sim, CT (Chee Tong)]

Dear friends

What is mean the syntax below

line vty 0 4
 password 

what is the meaning of 0 and 4

does it mean that we have four line (serial + ethernet) attached to various
device like modem.


Any command to reset the device (eg modem) that attached to line 4, 

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RE: a question about ip connectivity

[Bob Vance]

Sorry.  Been away awhile.

>after dial our change to
> 167.65.104.0 255.255.255.0 167.65.104.42 167.65.104.42 2
> 167.65.104.0 255.255.255.0 167.65.107.12 167.65.107.12 1
  ---^
Looks to me like a bug or misconfig somewhere.  This second line could
only be correct if the mask were 255.255.252.0.

Notice that if the dial-in server mask were really /22 (255.255.252.0),
then
167.65.107.12

*would* be in subnet

167.65.104.0 255.255.252.0

Maybe DUN's seeing already a /24 mask for 167.65.104.0 and
has a bug or something.
In that case, I would *expect* the routing table to look like:

167.65.104.0 255.255.255.0 167.65.104.42 167.65.104.42 2
167.65.104.0 255.255.252.0 167.65.107.12 167.65.107.12 1
---^

and the first route to be used, instead of the second (longer prefix).


You didn't answer the question about what OS and, if it's Win95, whether
you're using DUN 1.3 or not.


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Cc: Cai, Land
Subject: RE: a question about ip connectivity


Bob,

Thanks for your detailed posting. The internal LAN segment has same B
class
network  as dial-up, it 's because I dial to our dial in server located
in
the other branch office(not dail to internet).  We set the ip network to
B
class, while use 24 prefix to subnet it.  Now I have resolved this
problem.
I noticed that after dial out, the routing table of the PC be affected,
as
follows:

Before dial out
 167.65.104.0   255.255.255.0 167.65.104.42 167.65.104.42 1
after dial our change to
167.65.104.0 255.255.255.0 167.65.104.42 167.65.104.42 2
167.65.104.0 255.255.255.0 167.65.107.12 167.65.107.12 1

note, 167.65.107.12 is gotten from PPP server IP pool.
  167.65.104.42 is Ethernet Card IP addr.
Can you explain why this route table be updated to this appearance. And
why
this happen?

Thanks,
Cai, land
CCNA...

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Cc: 'Cai, Land'
Subject:RE: a question about ip connectivity

What OS are you running on the desktop?
If Win95, upgrade to MS DUN 1.3.

What does
route print
show, both before and after the dial-up connection.
What is the netmask on your LAN IP address?

You shouldn't have to do anything to have access *to* the Ethernet LAN
*and* the dial-up network at the same time.
You will get a default gateway that will allow access to Internet
sites thru the dial-up, but it shouldn't break access *to* the LAN
side -- you should still be able to access anything on the LAN side.

I do this every day -- in fact that is how I am connected to send this
post.  I am on a PC on the LAN in my house, talking *through* a Win95 PC
(running NAT software) that has a LAN card *and* has made a dial-up
connection to the Internet.  This "NAT" PC talks to both the internal
LAN and the Internet.

The only thing that I see different in your case, is that the LAN is
a subnet of the *same* Class B network as the dial-up.
NIC = 167.65.104.42
PPP = 167.65.107.12
I would assume that both prefixes are /24, but (and I'm not gonna test
it), but perhaps DUN has a problem with using subnets of the same
Classful network for the LAN and the dial-up.
In my case the PPP "network" is 10 and the LAN is 192.168.1 --
totally different and no possibility of confusion.

BTW, how is that your internal LAN has the same Class B network address
as the dial-up?

Now, one final point:
Joe used the word "across" the LAN (while I specifically said, "to"),
and he would obviously be correct.
If you were going to access another "internal" subnet, besides
167.65.104.0/24, say, 167.65.200.0/24, then, of course, you'd need
to have a router on your LAN to that subnet *and* add a static route on
the PC to that subnet (route add ...) thru that router.

>From your post, however, I did not take this last situation to be your
problem.  It seems that you couldn't connect to *other* 167.65.104.X
guys.

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Re: pls hellp --syntax shown

[Atif Awan]

you can open upto 5 simultaneous telnet connections to a router and these
connections are made on virtual terminal lines abbreviated as vty. Each of
the vty lines can be configured separately or in a group. To configure one
vty line you can use the command :

line vty x ( where x can be 0,1,2,3,4) ...

in order to configure all the lines simultaneously you write ..

line vty 0 4

Note :

On normal routers you can open upto 5 simultaneous connections but some
devices like the access servers ( 2511 etc.. ) allow you to increase the
maximum vty connections.

you can reset the line by issuing the command :

clear line x ( where x is the terminal line numnber )

Regards
Atif Awan

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> Dear friends
>
> What is mean the syntax below
>
> line vty 0 4
>  password 
>
> what is the meaning of 0 and 4
>
> does it mean that we have four line (serial + ethernet) attached to
various
> device like modem.
>
>
> Any command to reset the device (eg modem) that attached to line 4,
>
> Chee Tong
>
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MPLS Basic

[Zahid Hassan]

Hi everyone,

I was reading some basic Overview on MPLS and came accross some questions,
I wonder if somebody could explain this to me:

- assume that we have a router.
- On it, we have a ethernet interface enabled for MPLS
- Ethernet max transmission unit (MTU)is  1500
- A packet as big as the max MTU now needs to be sent through the ethernet
- A label is 4 bytes long

We cannot transmit more then the MTU over the ethernet ?
does MPLS provide fragmentation ??

Thanks in advance,

Regards

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RE: ask for help on DHCP

[Cai, Land]

Yes, I only enable ip helper-address command on the Ethernet port on
router1. But there is a quite strange problem. From DHCP manager( this is on
NT4.0 ) I can see this active IP registration leased by one of the remote
client on LAN1, But on LAN3,  I can't ping this active IP. I can ping IP
address of Ethernet port of router1.  As well, I defined many options for
this IP scope on DHCP manager, such as domain name, DNS server, WIN server,
note type.   
Do you have any idea about this?

Landcai
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To: Cai, Land; 'Cisco (E-mail)'
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Yep, all you need is to configure the Helper address (ip helper-address
[address]) command on Router1, and as long as Router1 has route to LAN3
(whether by static or routing protocol...  and Router3 has route back to
LAN1).
See, Router1 will take the DHCP broadcasts and convert them into unicast
packets and send them directed to LAN3.  For the "address" argument in the
command you can use the specific IP of the DHCP server or use the broadcast
address for that network (192.168.100.255).
garyf
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> Dear gang,
>
> I have the following situation.
>
> Ethernet LAN1Router1---Router2(TokenRing>
LAN1)-Router3-Ethernet LAN3
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
> |
>  
> 
>
>
> Let 's say Ethernet LAN1 has the ip segment 192.168.1.*/24,
> Ethernet LAN3 has the IP segment 192.168.100.*/24,
> I want the clients on Ethernet LAN1 can get ip address from
> DHCP server located in Ethernet LAN3 automatically.  Can I get it to
> reality? I do only need to configure the IP helper address for Ethernet
> interface on the router1, don't I? Or I need to configure something on
> router1, 2, 3?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Cai, land
>
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Re: software tools

[Deepak Sharma]

 http://www.mrtg.org

plus its free too.=)

Deepak

tazar Ing wrote:

> Anyone knows any good software tool that we can use to measure traffic in
> operational ip backbone networks.. and what is the dominant application
> traffic now on the internet ( web application ??? )
>
> Thks/Brgds
> Tazar Ing
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RE: pls hellp --syntax shown

[Andrew Larkins]

The line vty 0 4 means that there are 5 telnet connections to the router
allowed. Starting at zero and ending at 4.
To clear a device attached to line 4, use "clear line vty 4" or power the
modem off.

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Subject: pls hellp --syntax shown


Dear friends

What is mean the syntax below

line vty 0 4
 password 

what is the meaning of 0 and 4

does it mean that we have four line (serial + ethernet) attached to various
device like modem.


Any command to reset the device (eg modem) that attached to line 4, 

Chee Tong


 


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Re: pls hellp --syntax shown

[Atif Awan]

Pardon me but you do not connect a modem virtually .. You connect a modem to
a terminal line abbreviated as tty.

Regards
Atif Awan

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> allowed. Starting at zero and ending at 4.
> To clear a device attached to line 4, use "clear line vty 4" or power the
> modem off.
>
> Andrew Larkins
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>
>
> Dear friends
>
> What is mean the syntax below
>
> line vty 0 4
>  password 
>
> what is the meaning of 0 and 4
>
> does it mean that we have four line (serial + ethernet) attached to
various
> device like modem.
>
>
> Any command to reset the device (eg modem) that attached to line 4,
>
> Chee Tong
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Polarity Reversal.

[Ron Tan]

Hi all,
 
Does Cisco's Voice Boxes such as AS5300 and the 
3660s able to handle polarity reversal in certain countries that implement it ? 
Please advise. If no, then does anyone knows what equipment that can perform the 
role of reversing the polarity sent by the telco switch ?
 
Thanks,
 
Ron

Re: cisco secuire client

[Nick Brooks]

Win2K has an embedded vpn client that cisco and M$ developed as a joint
venture.  the vpn client is for "legacy" OS 95/98/NT


Ahed Shaker wrote:
> 
> I can't install cisco secuire client (VPN client ) at windows 2000 is there
> any  special client from cisco for win2000  ...?!!
> OR there is any special document about windows 2000  machiens  VPNing  to
> cisco PIX...?!!
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CLSC Help needed

[Omer Ehsan Dar]

Dear friends,
I plan to take my CLSC Paper next week please tell me of any resources
available on the web that I can use also please guide me about the paper
such as the number of questions passing marks fill in th blanks etc and
difficulty etc.
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RE: ask for help on DHCP

[Kevin S. Mahler]

On the PC on Lan1 can you check to see that it got it's IP address and
default gateway?
Windows95/98 command: winipcfg
WindowsNT command: ipconfig /all

What did you set as the default gateway for this scope of IP addresses?
If the IP address is assigned with the wrong default gateway you will see
exactly the type of behavior you have described.  I suspect this is what
is happening.

The default gateway for the scope on Lan1 needs to be the router interface
on Lan1.

If Lan1 is remote and you cannot check the computer, log into the router on
Lan1 and see if it can ping the address.  If it can then it's about a 99% 
chance
the default gateway of the machine is set incorrectly.

An incorrect default gateway address accounts for about 75% of the ES
connectivity problems I run into.

Kevin



At 05:44 AM 6/8/00 -0500, Cai, Land wrote:

>Yes, I only enable ip helper-address command on the Ethernet port on
>router1. But there is a quite strange problem. From DHCP manager( this is on
>NT4.0 ) I can see this active IP registration leased by one of the remote
>client on LAN1, But on LAN3,  I can't ping this active IP. I can ping IP
>address of Ethernet port of router1.  As well, I defined many options for
>this IP scope on DHCP manager, such as domain name, DNS server, WIN server,
>note type.
>Do you have any idea about this?
>
>Landcai
>  -Original Message-
>From:   Gary Frye [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent:   Monday, June 05, 2000 9:43 AM
>To: Cai, Land; 'Cisco (E-mail)'
>Subject:Re:  ask for help on DHCP
>
>Yep, all you need is to configure the Helper address (ip helper-address
>[address]) command on Router1, and as long as Router1 has route to LAN3
>(whether by static or routing protocol...  and Router3 has route back to
>LAN1).
>See, Router1 will take the DHCP broadcasts and convert them into unicast
>packets and send them directed to LAN3.  For the "address" argument in the
>command you can use the specific IP of the DHCP server or use the broadcast
>address for that network (192.168.100.255).
>garyf
>- Original Message -
>From:   "Cai, Land" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Cisco (E-mail)'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent:   Sunday, June 04, 2000 8:52 PM
>Subject:ask for help on DHCP
>
>
> > Dear gang,
> >
> > I have the following situation.
> >
> > Ethernet LAN1Router1---Router2(TokenRing>
>LAN1)-Router3-Ethernet LAN3
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Let 's say Ethernet LAN1 has the ip segment 192.168.1.*/24,
> > Ethernet LAN3 has the IP segment 192.168.100.*/24,
> > I want the clients on Ethernet LAN1 can get ip address from
> > DHCP server located in Ethernet LAN3 automatically.  Can I get it to
> > reality? I do only need to configure the IP helper address for Ethernet
> > interface on the router1, don't I? Or I need to configure something on
> > router1, 2, 3?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Cai, land
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: CIT exam

[Constance Cate]

Without violating the agreement, what types of questions?
Details of protocol operations? LAN and WAN?
Circuit, physical layer specs?
Implementation commands for services?
Selection of show and debug commands for particular information?
Thanks,
C.

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> types of questions or if I was ill prepared.But I managed to pass anyway.
> Thanks to the group for the info.
>
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Re: EIGRP contiguous AS

[quezada]

What are the  major
differences b/w EIGRP and OSPF aside from the fact that EIGRP is Cisco's
?
for starters one major diffrence
eigrp routes desktop protocols and ospf does not (ip only)
Why would one use EIGRP over OSPF and vice-versa?
I would use ospf in a network that involves many ,many routers and
scales across the country or the world
I know that EIGRP uses bandwidth as it's metrics and OSPF uses cost
but
which one is a better metric?
cost and metrics define the same thing reachability to a distant
network.My opinion is that eigrp metrics are better due to it's metric
involves more variables to calculate it's cost.
 
PQ
 
 
 

Last Minute Clarifications (Important )

[NRS Hariharan]

Hi all,
  Iam going to take my CCNA 640-407 Exam , next week.I will be really glad
if you all can clarify my following doubts..

  (i) In the Exam Objectives X.25 and AppleTalk are covered but is covered in
detail in Laura Chappel's ICRC book and Todd's CCNA guide , both of which Iam
using.Although I have studied those also will it cover in the Exam or can I
leave it and study later for CCNP and concentrate only on the Objectives.

  (ii) Also,is Todd's coverage of ISDN enough for the Exam..

and FINALLY , 
  (iii) Any last minute useful tips for the Exam.

I request you all to clarify my above doubts at the earliest.

Thanks in advance...

Hari


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Does Anyone Have Boson version 2.8

[Jim Koniecki]

Please let me know i need this version . Because i am registered for this 
version and i can not download it anymore .. jk

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Re: CCNA 2.0: Classful or Classless?

[Constance Cate]

Ok, maybe I'm a ditz. I've been telling people that when you are preparing
for a test you are expected to understand the default behavior of the IOS
version you are being tested on. If the question does not specify a
different configuration from the default, then assume the default. Sometimes
the information is implied by some configuration detail and not directly
stated, so. you have to think through all the implications of the
information you are given.
If that is correct then the question becomes, what version is the test based
on and what is the default behavior of that version?
If I'm way off track just slap me, after all those years running the help
desk I'm used to it and I respond quite well to that type of correction.

C.

"Dale Holmes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Don't you just love the new exam outline? Looks like they gave up the
sushi
> at those meetings and just went with the tequila... [=`)
>
> Dale
>
> >From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: CCNA 2.0:  Classful or Classless?
> >Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:20:07 -0400
> >
> >Does anyone have a sense of whether the assumption has changed to
> >classless addressing, subnet zero, etc.? The new Cisco page has even
> >less information than before.
> >
> >"TCP/IP"  is not exactly what I would think of as a sufficient study
guide.
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RE: ACRC

[Lugo, Ramon]

I believe that you should prepare not only to pass the test but to learn as
much as you possible can. My advice is for you to read the entire book.



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Re: CCIE

[Joe Martin]

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/ccie_present.html

4855 as of June 1

JOE
CCIE 5917


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cisco 2621's

[Quinton Maynard]

Hey, if anyone is interested, I have a  few brand new cisco 2621's (perfect 
for ISL and voice) that i can offer for $1975.
If anyone is interested let me know because I only have a few and when they 
are gone... they are gone
Thanks
Quinton

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Re: CCNA and Subnetting Question

[Constance Cate]

Depends on the default of the IOS version your being tested on.

Viet Tran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Good afternoon,
>
> >2) If they don't say differently in the question that
> you read very
> >carefully,  then the assumption is that you cannot
> use the "zero
> >subnets."
>
> I am in my last week rounding up all I have learned
> the past 4 months, and will take CCNA 2.0 exam next
> week.
>
> If CCNA 640-507 Certification Guide of Odom printed by
> Cisco Press is one of CCNA exam official resources
> from Cisco, then the assumption is opposite.  Odom
> says clearly in chapter material and review questions
> the number of subnets is "2 exp n".  Period, no
> further explicit comment is needed.  It seems to me
> that subnet-zero is implied in CCNA 2 curriculum.  Of
> course, there is also question such as given this
> "subnet-zero" subnet value, which command is needed to
> make the subnet valid.
>
> What would you think, Cisco gurus?
>
> Regards,
> Victor Tran.
> Programmer Analyst III
> Santa Clara County ISD.
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RE: Fw: OSPF vs ISIS

[Kent]

I like ISIS too, actually that was one of the reasons
I brought up the inquiry  and thanks a lot for all the
inputs.

Kent
--- Dollard Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> because of the limitations of IS IS, it is not
> always suited for all kinds
> of networks,while OSPF is more adaptable to most
> company networks. rarely
> will you see IS IS networks, and it is a shame,
> since i like it personaly.
> Morgan
> 
> > -Message d'origine-
> > De: Kent [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Date:   mardi 6 juin 2000 22:59
> > À:  Andy Harding; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Objet:  Re: Fw: OSPF vs ISIS
> > 
> > Well, what is the big deal of configuring IS-IS,
> if we
> > know OSPF(this protocol is nothing if you play
> with it
> > for a little while), IS-IS should not be a big
> deal at
> > all, at least, I think so.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Kent 
> > 
> > --- Andy Harding
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > > try hiring staff with IS-IS experience...;-)
> > > > 
> > > > - Original Message - 
> > > > From: Kent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 6:08 PM
> > > > Subject: OSPF vs ISIS
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > It looks to me that everybody prefers OSPF
> in
> > > our
> > > > > company, just wondering any reasons that we
> do
> > > not
> > > > > want to use ISIS?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > 
> > > > > Kent
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >
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RE: CCNP 2.0 Curriculums now available

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

LQQk at this...all that pissing and moaning we did earlier for naught!  

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 11:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CCNP 2.0 Curriculums now available


Hi

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/pdf/ccna_507
.pdf
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/pdf/bcmsn.pd
f
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/pdf/bcran.pd
f
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/pdf/bscn.pdf
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/pdf/cit.pdf

-- 
WBR
---
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Eigrp convergence

[Winchester, Derek S.]

Looking for an educated answer other than the book definitions that explain
Convergence in Eigrp: What feature or why is Convergence in Eigrp faster
than other Link-state and distance vector protocols. I would like it in the
words that actually makes sense. I know that it is faster, and I know that
Dual makes convergence simpler and fast, but in words of the common man,
WHY?


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RE: MCSE now wants to go Cisco....

[gorer]

Jay,
 
Why do you want the CCNA certification?  Are you working or going to be
working in the networking arena?  If not, my suggestion is don't take the
test because it will just be another piece of paper hanging on your wall and
i think that's what most of us would rather not see happen.  Or maybe it's
too late for that...
 
On the other hand, if you're serious about becoming involved in networking,
take the 2.0.  You'll find the basics are not that different.  I recommend
Todd Lammle's CCNA book from Sybex.  ISBN: 0782123813.  
 
Understand the osi model well...

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Hi guys,
 
Listen, I'm just getting started in all this. I'd like to know in detail
what are some of the things that I need to concentrate on as far as
obtaining my CCNA. I want to go ahead and take the CCNA 1.0 since I already
have some of the course material. I have a pretty good grasp of basic
networking, but I still would like to know if the July 31 deadline is a
feasable time to take this exam. If some of you could please share your
thoughts on what to look out for on the test, excellent study materials,
etc. that would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thanks,
 
Jay Clark, MCSE
 

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RE: console port

[Amsel, Moshe]

The console port is for trminal emulation. You connect it to the serial port
on your PC and run something like terminal.exe or HyperTerminal to do your
config. The console port doen't get an IP address. If you want to telnet it
goes through e0, s0, s1, etc. using IP. Hope this was helpful.

Moshe

> -Original Message-
> From: Deepak Sharma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 1:58 AM
> To: cisco
> Subject: console port
> 
> 
> general questionpretty simple..but it is really confusing 
> for me...
> 
> if im telneting to a router...and im coming in through the 
> console port,
> i think its the console port.. (216.54.*.*)..but the router is
> "dumb" ( no configuration whatsoever)...3 interfaces, e0, s0, 
> s1...i've
> giving those interfaces inter ip addresses (10.*.*.* etc, )...
> 
> i try to ping an outside ip address.mine for instance   24.115.*.*
> 
> but that fails.
> 
> i try to set the default gate-way as the same ip address i 
> came in from
> (216.54.*.*), i know thats a long shotbut ofcourse that 
> dosent help
> either =(
> 
> any suggestions???
> 
> thankyou all for the 4th time this week!
> 
> Deepak
> 
> 
> 

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Re: CCIE (ScanMail Checked: Virus Free!)

[woody]

Take a look at -

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/ccie_present.html


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> how
> >mant CCIE's are out there?
>
> I guess it's around where Joe Martin is. # 59xx thereabouts.
>
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bandwidth graph for Cluster Manager

[Dave Santeramo]

I can't seem to get any of the bandwidth graphs to come up.  Yes, the
switches are running.  What do I need to set in order to bring the graph
up?

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Re: Study Habits Part 2

[gwakin]

this is strictly theological piccadillo but it's the 'Prayer of
St. Francis.'  disclaimer- Contrary to popular belief, we RCs
worship neither the saints nor the pope, so semantical inaccuracies like
this tend to make some of us a little edgy.
Seems appropriate that we can add hard work and study to a virtuous,
principled life prayer... the only thing we can't really claim is the Franciscan
vow of 'poverty, chastity, and obedience', especially if we're studying
for a certification that will allow us to earn $120K/yearly and above.
 
Chuck Larrieu wrote:
Prayer to St. Francis
Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace. Where there is hatred, let
me sow
love; where there is injury, pardon; where there is doubt, faith; where
there is despair, hope; where there is darkness, light; where there
is
sadness, joy.
O, Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as
to
console; to be understood as to understand; to be loved as to love;
For it
is in giving that we receive; it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
it is
in dying that we are born again to eternal life; it is in studying
that we
pass certification tests
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MCSE now wants to go Cisco....

[jclark]

Hi guys,
 
Listen, I'm just getting started in all this. I'd 
like to know in detail what are some of the things that I need to concentrate on 
as far as obtaining my CCNA. I want to go ahead and take the CCNA 1.0 since I 
already have some of the course material. I have a pretty good grasp of basic 
networking, but I still would like to know if the July 31 deadline is a feasable 
time to take this exam. If some of you could please share your thoughts on what 
to look out for on the test, excellent study materials, etc. that would be 
greatly appreciated.
 
Thanks,
 
Jay Clark, MCSE
 

Frame Relay limitations question

[David Smith]

Hi all,

I am doing some projections for growth in our companies FR cloud.  I was
checking the limitations of routers when I came across this article.  The
link is below.

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/125/26.html

The following is directly from the article.  The last part is what I have a
question about.  Does anybody know where the limitations per router platform
come from?  The article seems to be missing some information about why the
2500 can only support 60 DLCIs, the 4000 can support 120, etc.
  
Thanks in advance,
Dave

DLCI Limitations
Subinterfaces count toward the practical upper limit of 230 Interface
Descriptor Blocks (IDBs). In other words, Cisco IOS currently doesn't
support more then 230 interfaces on the router (real or virtual) unless you
have an ISP Geeks Image which has 1024 IDBs. How many DLCIs can one
configure per physical interface? How many DLCIs can one configure in a
specific router? These two questions are frequently asked. Disappointingly,
the answer is, "it depends." 
DLCI address space: Approximately 1000 DLCIs can be configured on a single
physical link, given a 10-bit address. Because certain DLCIs are reserved
(vendor-implementation-dependent), the maximum is about 1000. The range for
"cisco" LMI is 16-1007. The stated range for ANSI/ITU is 16-992. These are
the DLCIs carrying user-data. 
LMI status update: The LMI protocol requires that all permanent virtual
circuit (PVC) status reports fit into a single packet and generally limits
the number of DLCIs to less than 800, depending on the maximum transmission
unit (MTU) size. 
MTU= 4000 bytes   Max DLCIs app= (MTU bytes - 20 bytes)/ (5 bytes/DLCI) 
(4000-20)/5 = 796
Default MTU on serial interfaces is 1500 bytes, yielding a maximum of 296
DLCIs per interface. Please note that these numbers vary slightly, depending
on the LMI type. The maximum DLCIs per router (not interface) platform
guideline, based on extrapolation from empirical data established on a Cisco
7000 router platform, are listed below: 
*   Cisco 2500: 1 X T1/E1 link @ 60 DLCIs per interface = 60 total 
*   Cisco 4000: 1 X T1/E1 link @ 120 DLCIs per interface = 120 total 
*   Cisco 4500: 3 X T1/E1 links @ 120 DLCIs per interface = 360 total 
*   Cisco 4700: 4 X T1/E1 links @ 120 DLCIs per interface = 480 total 
*   Cisco 7000: 4 X T1/E1/T3/E3 links @ 120 DLCIs per interface = 480
total 
*   Cisco 7200: 5 X T1/E1/T3/E3 links @ 120 DLCIs per interface = 600
total 
*   Cisco 7500: 6 X T1/E1/T3/E3 links @ 120 DLCIs per interface = 720
total 
Note: These numbers are guidelines only, and assume that all traffic is
fast-switched. 

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RE: FREE CCN BOOK - YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[James Wilson]

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"non sunt multiplicanda entia praeter necessitatem"
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didn't work. 
Larry Osei-Kwaku wrote: 
OK folks this link should take you right to the forms 
if you don't want to take the tour.. Please watch the 
word wrap. Highlight both lines and copy and paste in 
your browser. 
Larry 

http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/lm/show_form.pl?95899398230688476562580538
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RE: pls hellp --syntax shown

[Kurdziel, Peter]

Hey,

Buy a book. The 0 and the 4 represent 5 connections you can have.

Sincerely,
Peter Kurdziel
CCNA,MCSE,MCP+I,MCP

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Subject: pls hellp --syntax shown


Dear friends

What is mean the syntax below

line vty 0 4
 password 

what is the meaning of 0 and 4

does it mean that we have four line (serial + ethernet) attached to various
device like modem.


Any command to reset the device (eg modem) that attached to line 4, 

Chee Tong


 


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Re: Last Minute Clarifications (Important )

[Dale Holmes]

See comments inline...

>
>   (i) In the Exam Objectives X.25 and AppleTalk are covered but is covered 
>in
>detail in Laura Chappel's ICRC book and Todd's CCNA guide , both of which 
>Iam
>using.Although I have studied those also will it cover in the Exam or can I
>leave it and study later for CCNP and concentrate only on the Objectives.

Leave it...

>
>   (ii) Also,is Todd's coverage of ISDN enough for the Exam..
>

No. Look at Laura Chappell's ACRC book for the ISDN coverage you will need.

>   (iii) Any last minute useful tips for the Exam.

Take your time. Relax. Don't watch the clock. Trust yourself. Pass.

Good Luck,

Dale
[=`)

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RE: CCIE (ScanMail Checked: Virus Free!)

[Trevor Corness]

The CCIE # started at 1025, so in generality:
  # of CCIE's = CCIE # - 1024 +/- probably 20 or 30

The number is assigned to the testing center in blocks, so it is not totally
contiguous..  It does give a good estimate though.

eg. I believe Joe's # 5917 (just confirmed, checked an email from him ;p)
  so.. at his time of certification,

  x = 5917 - 1024 +/- 25
  x = 4893 +/- 25
  x = ~4868 - 4918, somewhere around that range.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the way I understand it.. the
+/- 20-30 is only a guess on my part for the "pool" of CCIE #'s not yet
assigned at other stations.

Regards,
  Trevor Corness, CCNA MCSE MCP+Internet

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>Just curious does anyone know what the CCIE number is up to?...meaning
how
>mant CCIE's are out there?

I guess it's around where Joe Martin is. # 59xx thereabouts.


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RE: Exam Outlines For CCNA 2.0

[Ray Mosely]

I'm not sure of what the difference would be between IPX and
Novell IPX, however Microsoft does have NWLink which is an
IPX clone that is 99% interchangeable with IPX.  Bells and
whistles.
Perhaps Novell IPX refers to the complete Novell implementation,
and IPX refers to generic use of IPX in other settings.  Certain products
like Ghost and Lab Expert (Image Blaster) commonly use IPX
protocols for multicasting.  No Novell involved.

Regards,
Ray M.
CCNA

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I'm particularly interested in obtaining study materials for "windowing" Is
that the "next great thing" ? And are we allowed to bring our own squeegees
into the test center?

Oh, and while I'm asking, anyone know the difference between "Novell IPX"
and  "IPX" ?

Oh, brother...

Chuck



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here is all it says folks

Oz
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/pdf/ccna_507
.pdf

The CCNA (640-507) exam will contain a combination of the following topics:
1) Bridging/Switching
Static VLANS
Spantree
Switching modes/methods
PPP


2)OSI Reference Model &Layered Communication
Layer Definitions
Encapsulation/Decapsalation
Layer Functions
Connection Oriented Models
Connectionless Models
Model Benefits

3) Network Protocols
TCP/IP
Novell IPX
Windowing
IPX
Novell IPX

4) Routing
IGRP
ICMP
5) WAN Protocols
ISDN
Frame Relay
HDLC
ATM
6) Network Management
Access Lists
Telnet
DNS
7) LAN Design
Ethernet
Fast Ethernet
Gigabit Ethernet
Token Ring
8) Physical Connectivity
IEEE Standards
ANSI Standards
9) Cisco Basics, IOS & Network Basics
IOS CLI Router
Troubleshooting
Router Packet Switching Modes
IOS CLI Switch

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CCNP 2.0 Objectives

[Steve Dangerfield ([EMAIL PROTECTED])]

Group,
 
Just read through the four CCNP 2.0 certfication 
objectives !
 
The routing cert objectives look very similar to 
the old acrc - don't you think. The others though I think are very 
vague.
 
On the whole I like 'em. I think they will really 
sort out the wheat from the chaff !
 
Enough e-mailing - On with BCMSN !
 
www.sjdsystems.com
 
Steve.
 

OSPF question...

[McMasters, Eric]

Okay I have been looking for this answer and I still can't find it, so I am
bringing my question to all of the OSPF guru's that reside on this list.

Here is what I want to know.
I know that you can run multiple routing processes on a single router, i.e.
router ospf 1 and router ospf 2
Now will the networks that are configured under the each of these processes
know about networks in the other process, without redistributing?
Will they maintain separate routing tables?
If so, will all the routes be displayed when issuing the "show ip route"
command?

I just want to know if the networks that are configured under each process
will be logically separated on the router, or will they share the same
routing table?  I'm getting frustrated, since I can't find the answer and
the 6 cups of coffee that I've already had aren't helping mattersI
appreciate any and all responses, and the time that you take in reading my
caffeine induced rants and raves..thank you!

Eric L. McMasters, CCNP/CCDA
OSSN - Sr. Network Engineer

Phone:913.859.1986
PCS:913.485.9734
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3548xl and vlans

[Josh Youngman]

i have a 3548xl and wish to create 2 vlans.  
is this possible.  i was able to create the 2nd vlan but cant find the 
command to add ports to the vlan.  any help would be 
apprecieated.

RE: CCIE (ScanMail Checked: Virus Free!)

[William E Gragido]

CCIE #5000 Jerry Anderson works in our office.

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Trevor Corness
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:44 AM
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> Subject: RE: CCIE (ScanMail Checked: Virus Free!)
>
>
> The CCIE # started at 1025, so in generality:
>   # of CCIE's = CCIE # - 1024 +/- probably 20 or 30
>
> The number is assigned to the testing center in blocks, so it is
> not totally
> contiguous..  It does give a good estimate though.
>
> eg. I believe Joe's # 5917 (just confirmed, checked an email from him ;p)
>   so.. at his time of certification,
>
>   x = 5917 - 1024 +/- 25
>   x = 4893 +/- 25
>   x = ~4868 - 4918, somewhere around that range.
>
> Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the way I understand it.. the
> +/- 20-30 is only a guess on my part for the "pool" of CCIE #'s not yet
> assigned at other stations.
>
> Regards,
>   Trevor Corness, CCNA MCSE MCP+Internet
>
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Subject: Re: CCIE (ScanMail Checked: Virus Free!)
>
>
> >Just curious does anyone know what the CCIE number is up to?...meaning
> how
> >mant CCIE's are out there?
>
> I guess it's around where Joe Martin is. # 59xx thereabouts.
>
>
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#BCRAN, CIT and Boson

[NedNobody]

Anyone that has recently taken the subject exams and used Boson Practice
exams, would you please give me some feedback about their effectiveness in
helping you prepare for the tests?  If the Boson exams were not helpful
would you please steer to some that were?






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Re: CCIE

[gwakin]

I assume 4855 is a 'virtual' number... any idea what became of the other
1062?

Joe Martin wrote:

> http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/ccie_present.html
>
> 4855 as of June 1
>
> JOE
> CCIE 5917
>
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> how
> > mant CCIE's are out there?
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Foundation 2.0 info

[Chris H]

Group,

FYI, I called Sylvan to register for a test, and asked about the foundation. 
  They said that it was sold out in a record (for Cisco beta tests) 41 
minutes.  Also was mentioned that they had 70 people answering phones that 
morning.

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RE: CC** Specializations

[William E Gragido]

Yes actually, I was in a meeting last week with a Sr. Engineer from Cisco,
you may have heard of him, Dr. William Parkhurst, and he stated that Cisco
will be expanding the disciplines for the CCIE  Specializations from 4 to 10
in the next year or so!  I was blown away!  Have fun digesting the number of
tests that will be added, I know it sort of freightens me!

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>
>
> I've done the SNA\IP specializations. My question is whether any other
> specializations are planned, particularly for CCDP ? Anyone heard any
> baseless rumors or maybe gossip from well-placed anonymous sources ?
>
> Niall
>
> --
> Some of my best information on tuning EIGRP came from colleagues,
> both native and US military, in the former Yugoslavia.  They pointed
> out how to tune around error rates caused by gunfire hitting the
> telephone lines.
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RE: Does Anyone Have Boson version 2.8

[TALBOT, WILLIAM P (SWBT)]

If you are registered, then send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I am
positive they will help you.  I have gotten prompt response and have been
very pleased with their support folks.


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Please let me know i need this version . Because i am registered for this 
version and i can not download it anymore .. jk

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Re: Eigrp convergence

[Howard C. Berkowitz]

>"Winchester, Derek S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  asked,



>Looking for an educated answer other than the book definitions that explain
>Convergence in Eigrp: What feature or why is Convergence in Eigrp faster
>than other Link-state and distance vector protocols. I would like it in the
>words that actually makes sense. I know that it is faster, and I know that
>Dual makes convergence simpler and fast, but in words of the common man,
>WHY?


It's misleading to say EIGRP is faster, unless you compare it to 
other modern protocols with the same hello timer value.  By default, 
EIGRP has a 5 second hello timer while OSPF and ISIS have 10 seconds. 
Obviously, a protocol with a shorter hello timer will detect and 
respond faster to changes.

Once the hello timers are equated, will EIGRP, OSPF or ISIS be the 
fairest in the land?  The mirror on the wall says, "it depends."

Tony Li, who used to be one of the principal routing developers at 
Cisco, and is coauthor of BGP, discussed this a while back in one of 
the IETF mailing lists, and described EIGRP as faster to converge 
when the alternate path was in an adjacent router or one that is one 
hop away from the adjacent router, while OSPF is faster when finding 
the new path will involve routers more than one or two hops away.

The reality is that in most circumstances, there is very difference 
among the real-world convergence times of the three modern IGPs. If 
you were doing something such as non-local-acknowledged SNA, which 
has critical convergence time requirements, you'd have to tune the 
timers of any of them.

EIGRP probably needs less resources, but needs more tuning for low 
speed lines (below 56 Kbps, roughly)

RIP and IGRP, however, are significantly slower than the modern 
protocols, principally because they (1) have to wait for periodic 
updates and (2) usually have holddown timers that make them wait for 
several updates.

There is a whole other issue, however, on what do we mean by 
convergence?  I'm in the process of writing an Internet Draft on some 
definitions, especially for BGP.

Is convergence:

 The time it takes a router to initialize its routing table on power on?
 The time it takes to be able to route to a new (i.e., previously 
unknown) destination, after it receives the update?  After the change 
causing the update occurs?
 The time it takes after it recognizes the best route to a 
destination is down, but it has an alternate route in local memory?
 The time it takes after it recognizes the best route to a 
destination is down, but it does not have an alternate route in local 
memory?

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RE: #BCRAN, CIT and Boson

[Tuline, Andrew]

I've heard good things about quality of the Bosons, however I tend toward
the Sybex books for Q&A's.

Once you re-format your hard drive for whatever reason (and restore the
Boson material), it's my understanding that the Bosons will no longer work.
I've dealt with that sort of copy protection in the past for a flight
simulator add-on, and it was a major aggravation.  If you don't change your
O/S, then the Bosons are probably great.  That just won't work for me.



Andrew

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Anyone that has recently taken the subject exams and used Boson Practice
exams, would you please give me some feedback about their effectiveness in
helping you prepare for the tests?  If the Boson exams were not helpful
would you please steer to some that were?






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RE: Exam Outlines For CCNA 2.0

[Lance Hubbard]

Note that the objectives for the CIT 4.0 and the Support 2.0 are 
identical.

Lance

>From: "Ray Mosely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"Cisco Mail List" 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: Exam Outlines For CCNA 2.0
>Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:49:22 -0500
>
>I'm not sure of what the difference would be between IPX and
>Novell IPX, however Microsoft does have NWLink which is an
>IPX clone that is 99% interchangeable with IPX.  Bells and
>whistles.
>Perhaps Novell IPX refers to the complete Novell implementation,
>and IPX refers to generic use of IPX in other settings.  Certain products
>like Ghost and Lab Expert (Image Blaster) commonly use IPX
>protocols for multicasting.  No Novell involved.
>
>Regards,
>Ray M.
>CCNA
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>Chuck Larrieu
>Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 5:55 PM
>To: Cisco Mail List
>Subject: Exam Outlines For CCNA 2.0
>
>
>
>I'm particularly interested in obtaining study materials for "windowing" Is
>that the "next great thing" ? And are we allowed to bring our own squeegees
>into the test center?
>
>Oh, and while I'm asking, anyone know the difference between "Novell IPX"
>and  "IPX" ?
>
>Oh, brother...
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
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>Sent:  Wednesday, June 07, 2000 11:32 AM
>To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>
>here is all it says folks
>
>Oz
>http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/pdf/ccna_507
>.pdf
>
>The CCNA (640-507) exam will contain a combination of the following topics:
>1) Bridging/Switching
>Static VLANS
>Spantree
>Switching modes/methods
>PPP
>
>
>2)OSI Reference Model &Layered Communication
>Layer Definitions
>Encapsulation/Decapsalation
>Layer Functions
>Connection Oriented Models
>Connectionless Models
>Model Benefits
>
>3) Network Protocols
>TCP/IP
>Novell IPX
>Windowing
>IPX
>Novell IPX
>
>4) Routing
>IGRP
>ICMP
>5) WAN Protocols
>ISDN
>Frame Relay
>HDLC
>ATM
>6) Network Management
>Access Lists
>Telnet
>DNS
>7) LAN Design
>Ethernet
>Fast Ethernet
>Gigabit Ethernet
>Token Ring
>8) Physical Connectivity
>IEEE Standards
>ANSI Standards
>9) Cisco Basics, IOS & Network Basics
>IOS CLI Router
>Troubleshooting
>Router Packet Switching Modes
>IOS CLI Switch
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Re: console port

[Apoorva S.Malavia]

Supply the following info .

ip address of s0, s1, e1.

What are s0 and s1 connected to ? i.e ISP or inter office link ?



Deepak Sharma wrote:

> general questionpretty simple..but it is really confusing for me...
>
> if im telneting to a router...and im coming in through the console port,
> i think its the console port.. (216.54.*.*)..but the router is
> "dumb" ( no configuration whatsoever)...3 interfaces, e0, s0, s1...i've
> giving those interfaces inter ip addresses (10.*.*.* etc, )...
>
> i try to ping an outside ip address.mine for instance   24.115.*.*
>
> but that fails.
>
> i try to set the default gate-way as the same ip address i came in from
> (216.54.*.*), i know thats a long shotbut ofcourse that dosent help
> either =(
>
> any suggestions???
>
> thankyou all for the 4th time this week!
>
> Deepak

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Odd responses from List Server

[John Neiberger]

For two of my recent postings I've gotten a response from
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RE: Study Habits Part 2

[JL]

Lest we become deluged by by prayers to the "Invisible Pink 
Unicorn" or the "Multi-Tentacled Purple Squid', not to mention many other 
slightly more mainstream religions, I think such chants and neditations should 
be left off list. I would like to think that educated, highly technical people would have no need for such 
mindless superstitions, but alas, I am constantly reminded that while people can 
be VERY intelligent in one area, they are extremely deficient in others. 

 
Can we please keep our 
respective religious beliefs off line and all focus on our goal of 
certification?
 
thank 
you,
JL
 
BSOFH

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of gwakinSent: 
  Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:07 AMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Study Habits Part 
  2this is strictly theological piccadillo but it's the 
  'Prayer of St. Francis.'  disclaimer- Contrary to popular 
  belief, we RCs worship neither the saints nor the pope, so semantical 
  inaccuracies like this tend to make some of us a little edgy. Seems 
  appropriate that we can add hard work and study to a virtuous, principled life 
  prayer... the only thing we can't really claim is the Franciscan vow of 
  'poverty, chastity, and obedience', especially if we're studying for a 
  certification that will allow us to earn $120K/yearly and above.   
  Chuck Larrieu wrote: 
  Prayer to St. Francis 
Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace. Where there is hatred, let me 
sow love; where there is injury, pardon; where there is doubt, faith; 
where there is despair, hope; where there is darkness, light; where 
there is sadness, joy. 
O, Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to 
console; to be understood as to understand; to be loved as to love; For 
it is in giving that we receive; it is in pardoning that we are 
pardoned; it is in dying that we are born again to eternal life; it is 
in studying that we pass certification tests 
Chuck 
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Frame Relay Interworking with ATM

[K Sacca]

I have the following router config:

 ++ ATM3/1/2++  
 | 3640   |-| LS1010 |
S1/3 ++ATM2/0   ++
(DCE)   |ATM3/1/3
|
|
|
|ATM6/0
+-+
| 7206|
+-+
|S4/0
| (DCE)

I'm trying to get frame relay to go across
the LS1010 ATM switch.  I have a connect 
statement on the 3640 Router "connect test
serial1/3 300 atm2/0 1/32 network-interworking",
but I'm not sure how the frame relay portion
should be setup.  Would you do a frame-relay route
statement which references the ATM card?
Would you use frame-relay map statements?
Any help would be most appreciated.

Kamoto



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RE: CCIE (ScanMail Checked: Virus Free!)

[gorer]

Anyone know who #1025 is?

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The CCIE # started at 1025, so in generality:
  # of CCIE's = CCIE # - 1024 +/- probably 20 or 30

The number is assigned to the testing center in blocks, so it is not totally
contiguous..  It does give a good estimate though.

eg. I believe Joe's # 5917 (just confirmed, checked an email from him ;p)
  so.. at his time of certification,

  x = 5917 - 1024 +/- 25
  x = 4893 +/- 25
  x = ~4868 - 4918, somewhere around that range.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the way I understand it.. the
+/- 20-30 is only a guess on my part for the "pool" of CCIE #'s not yet
assigned at other stations.

Regards,
  Trevor Corness, CCNA MCSE MCP+Internet

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>Just curious does anyone know what the CCIE number is up to?...meaning
how
>mant CCIE's are out there?

I guess it's around where Joe Martin is. # 59xx thereabouts.


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Re: 3548xl and vlans

[Lance Hubbard]

Josh,

To assign a port on the 3548 to a vlan, get into config mode on the port in 
question and invoke the "switchport access vlan" command.  this will do the 
trick.

Switch(config)#int fa 0/1
Switch(config-if)#switchport access vlan 100

Be sure to doublecheck the port moved to the new vlan by invoking the "show 
vlan" command.

cheers,

Lance

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>Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:53:32 -0400
>
>i have a 3548xl and wish to create 2 vlans.  is this possible.  i was able 
>to create the 2nd vlan but cant find the command to add ports to the vlan.  
>any help would be apprecieated.


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Re: 3548xl and vlans

[Chris]

the commands to assign a port to a vlan in the 3500 
series is as follows...
 
config t
interface x (port you wish to add)
switchport mode access (Enter the VLAN membership 
mode for static-access ports)
switchport access vlan 2 (assign port to 
VLAN)
end
 
Verfiy
show int x switchport
 
-chris
 

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  i have a 3548xl and wish to create 2 vlans.  
  is this possible.  i was able to create the 2nd vlan but cant find the 
  command to add ports to the vlan.  any help would be 
  apprecieated.

Re: extra Cisco frame-relay switches

[Apoorva S.Malavia]

A buddy of mine are completing our CCNP and will go for our CCIE.
We are definately interested in 2 of them.
What kind of interfaces does the serial ports have .. i.e cable wise.

Thanks


Brad Ellis wrote:

> hey gang!  a buddy of mine and I ran into about 10 Cisco 2521 routers.  They
> have 16Megs of DRAM and 8Megs of Flash.  If anyone is interested in these,
> please let me know.  We are willing to sell them to CCIE candidates on this
> list for $1000/pc.  They have 4 serial ports, 1 Token ring, and 1 ISDN port.
>
> first come, first serve.
>
> -Brad Ellis
> CCIE#5796
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RE: Study Habits Part 2

[Poyerd, Denis]

Foolish and ignorent are those that believe in 
themselves only than recognize and praise God.

  -Original Message-From: JL 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 12:22 
  PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: Study Habits Part 
  2
  
  Lest we become deluged by by prayers to the "Invisible Pink 
  Unicorn" or the "Multi-Tentacled Purple Squid', not to mention many other 
  slightly more mainstream religions, I think such chants and neditations should 
  be left off list. I would like to think that educated, highly technical people would have no need for such 
  mindless superstitions, but alas, I am constantly reminded that while people 
  can be VERY intelligent in one area, they are extremely deficient in 
  others. 
  
   
  Can we please keep our 
  respective religious beliefs off line and all focus on our goal of 
  certification?
   
  thank 
  you,
  JL
   
  BSOFH
  
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of gwakinSent: 
Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:07 AMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Study Habits Part 
2this is strictly theological piccadillo but it's 
the 'Prayer of St. Francis.'  disclaimer- Contrary to 
popular belief, we RCs worship neither the saints nor the pope, so 
semantical inaccuracies like this tend to make some of us a little edgy. 
Seems appropriate that we can add hard work and study to a virtuous, 
principled life prayer... the only thing we can't really claim is the 
Franciscan vow of 'poverty, chastity, and obedience', especially if we're 
studying for a certification that will allow us to earn $120K/yearly and 
above.   
Chuck Larrieu wrote: 
Prayer to St. Francis 
  Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace. Where there is hatred, let 
  me sow love; where there is injury, pardon; where there is doubt, 
  faith; where there is despair, hope; where there is darkness, light; 
  where there is sadness, joy. 
  O, Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as 
  to console; to be understood as to understand; to be loved as to love; 
  For it is in giving that we receive; it is in pardoning that we are 
  pardoned; it is in dying that we are born again to eternal life; it is 
  in studying that we pass certification tests 
  Chuck 
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Re: OSPF question...

[Chris]

comments below

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com...
> Okay I have been looking for this answer and I still can't find it, so I
am
> bringing my question to all of the OSPF guru's that reside on this list.
>
> Here is what I want to know.
> I know that you can run multiple routing processes on a single router,
i.e.
> router ospf 1 and router ospf 2
> Now will the networks that are configured under the each of these
processes
> know about networks in the other process, without redistributing?

No they won't you must redistribute

> Will they maintain separate routing tables?

Yes all routing processes maintain their own table.

> If so, will all the routes be displayed when issuing the "show ip route"
> command?

The router will pick the best of all routes form any routing process, for
example if OSPF 1 has a route to 10.0.0.0 with a metric of 110 and OSPF 2
has a route to 10.0.0.0 with a metric of 120 then the only one you will see
is the route from OSPF 1.

>
> I just want to know if the networks that are configured under each process
> will be logically separated on the router, or will they share the same
> routing table?  I'm getting frustrated, since I can't find the answer and
> the 6 cups of coffee that I've already had aren't helping mattersI
> appreciate any and all responses, and the time that you take in reading my
> caffeine induced rants and raves..thank you!
>
> Eric L. McMasters, CCNP/CCDA
> OSSN - Sr. Network Engineer
>
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RE: MCSE now wants to go Cisco....

[Taylor, Don]

I vote for taking the 2.0 also because it might be slightly more relevant.
Know OSI, IP subnetting, and access lists. That's not all that's on the
test, but if you know those three, you should cruise through it.

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Jay,
 
Why do you want the CCNA certification?  Are you working or going to be
working in the networking arena?  If not, my suggestion is don't take the
test because it will just be another piece of paper hanging on your wall and
i think that's what most of us would rather not see happen.  Or maybe it's
too late for that...
 
On the other hand, if you're serious about becoming involved in networking,
take the 2.0.  You'll find the basics are not that different.  I recommend
Todd Lammle's CCNA book from Sybex.  ISBN: 0782123813.  
 
Understand the osi model well...

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Hi guys,
 
Listen, I'm just getting started in all this. I'd like to know in detail
what are some of the things that I need to concentrate on as far as
obtaining my CCNA. I want to go ahead and take the CCNA 1.0 since I already
have some of the course material. I have a pretty good grasp of basic
networking, but I still would like to know if the July 31 deadline is a
feasable time to take this exam. If some of you could please share your
thoughts on what to look out for on the test, excellent study materials,
etc. that would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thanks,
 
Jay Clark, MCSE
 

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RE: ask for help on DHCP

[James Xie]

Are you sure the released ip address is in the correct 
subnet/network for that network segment.

I think the DHCP server should have a way to distinguish
which subnet/network the request comes from and send
a reply with appropriate ip address.

Jim Xie.


At 05:44 AM 06/08/2000 -0500, Cai, Land wrote:
>
>Yes, I only enable ip helper-address command on the Ethernet port on
>router1. But there is a quite strange problem. From DHCP manager( this is on
>NT4.0 ) I can see this active IP registration leased by one of the remote
>client on LAN1, But on LAN3,  I can't ping this active IP. I can ping IP
>address of Ethernet port of router1.  As well, I defined many options for
>this IP scope on DHCP manager, such as domain name, DNS server, WIN server,
>note type.   
>Do you have any idea about this?
>
>Landcai
> -Original Message-
>From:  Gary Frye [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
>Sent:  Monday, June 05, 2000 9:43 AM
>To:Cai, Land; 'Cisco (E-mail)'
>Subject:   Re:  ask for help on DHCP
>
>Yep, all you need is to configure the Helper address (ip helper-address
>[address]) command on Router1, and as long as Router1 has route to LAN3
>(whether by static or routing protocol...  and Router3 has route back to
>LAN1).
>See, Router1 will take the DHCP broadcasts and convert them into unicast
>packets and send them directed to LAN3.  For the "address" argument in the
>command you can use the specific IP of the DHCP server or use the broadcast
>address for that network (192.168.100.255).
>garyf
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>Subject:   ask for help on DHCP
>
>
>> Dear gang,
>>
>> I have the following situation.
>>
>> Ethernet LAN1Router1---Router2(TokenRing>
>LAN1)-Router3-Ethernet LAN3
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> |
>>  
>> 
>>
>>
>> Let 's say Ethernet LAN1 has the ip segment 192.168.1.*/24,
>> Ethernet LAN3 has the IP segment 192.168.100.*/24,
>> I want the clients on Ethernet LAN1 can get ip address from
>> DHCP server located in Ethernet LAN3 automatically.  Can I get it to
>> reality? I do only need to configure the IP helper address for Ethernet
>> interface on the router1, don't I? Or I need to configure something on
>> router1, 2, 3?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Cai, land
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: OSPF question...

[Howard C. Berkowitz]

>Okay I have been looking for this answer and I still can't find it, so I am
>bringing my question to all of the OSPF guru's that reside on this list.
>
>Here is what I want to know.
>I know that you can run multiple routing processes on a single router, i.e.
>router ospf 1 and router ospf 2
>Now will the networks that are configured under the each of these processes
>know about networks in the other process, without redistributing?

 No.  This is deliberate.

>Will they maintain separate routing tables?


 This is subtle.  The OSPF processes will maintain separate 
topological databases, but there is only one main routing table.

 Let's say OSPF #1 produces an intra-area route 192.0.2.0/24 with 
metric 100,  while OSPF#2 produces an intra-area route 192.0.2.0/24 
with metric 50.  Also, Let's say OSPF #1 produces an inter-area 
route 192.0.3.0/24 with metric 10,  while OSPF#2 produces an 
intra-area route 192.0.3.0/24 with metric 50.  Remember that 
intra-area routes are always preferred to inter-area.

The routing table will install the OSPF #1 route to 192.0.2.0/24 
and the OSPF#2 route to 192.0.3.0/24.  In the main routing table 
display, they will both simply show with source code "O".  I think, 
but would have to verify, that "show ip route 192.0.2.0/24" would 
reveal the process that generated the route.

>If so, will all the routes be displayed when issuing the "show ip route"
>command?
>
>I just want to know if the networks that are configured under each process
>will be logically separated on the router, or will they share the same
>routing table?  I'm getting frustrated, since I can't find the answer and
>the 6 cups of coffee that I've already had aren't helping mattersI
>appreciate any and all responses, and the time that you take in reading my
>caffeine induced rants and raves..thank you!
>
>Eric L. McMasters, CCNP/CCDA
>OSSN - Sr. Network Engineer
>
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Re: OSPF question...

[James Xie]

First of all, no matter how many OSPF routing processes running on
the router, there is only one IP routing table. If you understand the
differenece
between routed and routing protocols, the question is clear.Routed protocols 
like IP uses only one routing table to foward traffic. If for a single
routed protocol 
there are multiple routing table, which one IP need to use?

OSPF processes keep seperate topology and adjacency databases.
And based on those databases, use routing algorithm inject routing entries into
the routing table. 

Different processes the same router run in the ship-in-the-night
mode. Everything is separated. Redistribution is required to pass
external routes between 2 processes.

Don't waste the 7th cup of cokee. Give it to me.

I never heard about people talking about how to understand behaviors of
programmed devices like routers etc. My experience is to understand
them from the programmer's point of view.  You got to know how those
cisco software engineers implement protocols and standards. There are
a lot common senses can be used if you have ever worked as a system/
software engineer for a couple years.

Jim Xie.

At 10:48 AM 06/08/2000 -0500, McMasters, Eric wrote:
>Okay I have been looking for this answer and I still can't find it, so I am
>bringing my question to all of the OSPF guru's that reside on this list.
>
>Here is what I want to know.
>I know that you can run multiple routing processes on a single router, i.e.
>router ospf 1 and router ospf 2
>Now will the networks that are configured under the each of these processes
>know about networks in the other process, without redistributing?
>Will they maintain separate routing tables?
>If so, will all the routes be displayed when issuing the "show ip route"
>command?
>
>I just want to know if the networks that are configured under each process
>will be logically separated on the router, or will they share the same
>routing table?  I'm getting frustrated, since I can't find the answer and
>the 6 cups of coffee that I've already had aren't helping mattersI
>appreciate any and all responses, and the time that you take in reading my
>caffeine induced rants and raves..thank you!
>
>Eric L. McMasters, CCNP/CCDA
>OSSN - Sr. Network Engineer
>
>Phone:913.859.1986
>PCS:913.485.9734
>Fax: 913.859.1234
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Re: telnet, ping, multicast and etc

[James Xie]

At 05:37 PM 06/08/2000 +0800, Sim, CT (Chee Tong) wrote:
>Dear friends,
>
>Can I ask you some basic question, don't laugh at me  :P  if u just want to
>answer me one of the question, just help me .
>
>1) What is difference between ping and telnet? telnet is using port 23, how
>about PING? which port is that?   I understand we can use the access-list to
>control whether a telnet session can be established, how about ping, Are we
>using the ip route command to whether PING traffic to pass thru?  

Telnet is an application using tcp port 23.
Ping is another application using icmp (a special ip protocol), neither TCP
nor UDP is
involved. Ping uses ICMP packet type echo.


>
>2) We open a port in Firewall to let user can telnet to a server in remote
>site.  Does it mean that we can ping to the server.  If not, What should we
>do in order to let user can ping to the server?

No, you have to open ICMP echo and echo-reply for ping to work.

>
>3) What is mean by Multicast?  I know there is a range of IP for Multicast?
>But when we need it?  
>

I think you are talking about layer 3 multicast. A special range of ip address
224.0.0.0-239.0.0.0 are reserved for IP multicasting. For example, any devices
configured with 224.0.0.5 are OSPF desinated routers. If you want to send some
IP packets to those routers only, you can address the packet to that address. 
Multicast is also used for multimedia traffic. You can even use it across the
Internet (MBONE). Multicast can be staticaly/dynaimcally routed. Popular
dynamic
routing protocols including IGMP, CGMP, PIM etc. AppleTalk also supports
multicasting.

Jim Xie

>
>Thanks
>
>Sim Chee Tong
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: EIGRP contiguous AS

[jeongwoo park]

Kenney, yes it is pretty cool stuff to use tunnel.
As an alternative, I was wondering if it would work fine using BGP.
I know that configuration of BGP is pretty complex.
I guess it will work since it deals with different AS’s and running
different protocols(in this case, they are EIGRP and IGRP)
If I am wrong, please correct me.

jeongwoo

--Original Message--
From: "Kenny Sallee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Chuck Larrieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Robert Padjen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Cisco Mail List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: June 7, 2000 6:39:42 PM GMT
Subject: Re: EIGRP contiguous AS


Using a tunnel is a good way to route non-routeable network ranges over the
routeable internet - or a WAN.  Say you are using a provider to connect 50
sites all via point-to-point T1's.  Becasue the sun shines, they are going
to charge you $1 Mil for routeable address space.  You don't offer internet
access to the sites so you don't need them.  So you decide to use private
address space for each location.  The only routeable IPs you have are on the
serial interfaces.  In order for each location to "know" about each other
location, you create tunnel interfaces as I have below, and run eigrp over
them.  Now a packet comes into the router for destination 172.16.1.50.  The
router does a route table lookup and finds the next-hop to be 172.16.1.2 -
which is out interface tunnel 0.  The router takes the packet, throws some
IP headers on it ( the tunnel source and tunnel destination ), and shoots it
to the tunnel destination.  The destination gets it, strips off the headers,
and routes it according to it's route table.  Voila - no routeable
addresses.  Pretty cool stuff if you ask me.  May be sloppy but works.

Kenny


- Original Message -
From: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Robert Padjen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Cisco Mail List"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 10:51 AM
Subject: RE: EIGRP contiguous AS


> Other than the general sloppiness of such an approach, Robert, what are
some
> of your concerns? I think this might be an interesting discussion from a
> design standpoint.
>
> Chuck
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Padjen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 10:43 AM
> To: Gerwin Boschloo; 'Chuck Larrieu'; Cisco Mail List; Kenny Sallee
> Subject: RE: EIGRP contiguous AS
>
> The idea of using a tunnel for this scares the
> heeby-jeebies out of me!!! I should have noted a
> 'supportable' network! ;) It is a clever idea however.
>
>
> --- Gerwin Boschloo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ok ok ok ok, you are all right...I was too fast with
> > my judgement.sorry.
> > I thought that someone tried to use EIGRP and IGRP
> > to out smart BGP for
> > Interdomain routing..sorry again!!
> >
> > Gerwin
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Chuck Larrieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 5:50 AM
> > To: Cisco Mail List; Kenny Sallee
> > Subject: RE: EIGRP contiguous AS
> >
> >
> > Excellent!
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> > Kenny Sallee
> > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 1:49 PM
> > To: Gerwin Boschloo; 'Luong, David'; 'Robert
> > Padjen';
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: EIGRP contiguous AS
> >
> > Sure it will work -- if you redistribute. This is
> > where you will possible
> > see routing loops.
> >
> >  You can also create a tunnel interface on both
> > EIGRP routers and share
> > EIGRP info that way.  This way they will both look
> > like they are directly
> > connected.  Here's a possible config for the tunnel:
> >
> >  (e0) r1(s0) -(s0) r2(s1) -(s0)r3(e0)
> >
> > r1 and r3 e0 interfaces are in the 172.16.0.0
> > address space
> > All serial interfaces are in the 192.168.0.0 address
> > space
> > r1 and r3 are running eigrp
> > r2 is running igrp with someone else
> >
> > r1:
> > int e0
> > ip address 172.16.2.1 255.255.255.0
> >
> > int tunnel 0
> > ip address 172.16.1.1 255.255.255.0
> > tunnel source 
> > tunnel destination 
> > .
> > .
> > router eigrp 100
> > network 172.16.0.0
> > no auto
> >
> > r3:
> > int tunnel 0
> > ip address 172.16.1.2 255.255.255.0
> > tunnel source 
> > tunnel destination 
> >
> > router eigrp 100
> > network 172.16.0.0
> > no auto
> >
> >
> > Kenny
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Gerwin Boschloo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "'Luong, David'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > "'Robert Padjen'"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 11:16 PM
> > Subject: RE: EIGRP contiguous AS
> >
> >
> > > EIGRP and IGRP are both Interior Gateway Protocols
> > that are used inside a
> > > AS. Therefore, when you want to connect different
> > AS'es, you need an
> > > Exterior Gateway Protocol like BGP. Within BGP you
> > are routing to
> > different
> > > AS'es therefore the AS'es should be unique.
> > >
> > > Therefore: EIGRP AS 1      IGRP AS 50  
> > EIGRP AS 1 wi

RE: Study Habits Part 2

[Montgomery, Robert WARCOM Contractor]

Lighten Up!  I'm a devout agnostic and even I wasn't offended.

-Original Message-
From: JL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 9:22 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Study Habits Part 2


Lest we become deluged by by prayers to the "Invisible Pink
Unicorn" or the "Multi-Tentacled Purple Squid', not to mention many other
slightly more mainstream religions, I think such chants and neditations
should be left off list. I would like to think that educated, highly
technical people would have no need for such mindless superstitions, but
alas, I am constantly reminded that while people can be VERY intelligent in
one area, they are extremely deficient in others. 
 
Can we please keep our respective religious beliefs off line and all focus
on our goal of certification?
 
thank you,
JL
 
BSOFH

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
gwakin
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Study Habits Part 2


this is strictly theological piccadillo but it's the 'Prayer of St.
Francis.'  disclaimer- Contrary to popular belief, we RCs worship neither
the saints nor the pope, so semantical inaccuracies like this tend to make
some of us a little edgy. 
Seems appropriate that we can add hard work and study to a virtuous,
principled life prayer... the only thing we can't really claim is the
Franciscan vow of 'poverty, chastity, and obedience', especially if we're
studying for a certification that will allow us to earn $120K/yearly and
above. 
  

Chuck Larrieu wrote: 


Prayer to St. Francis 

Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace. Where there is hatred, let me sow

love; where there is injury, pardon; where there is doubt, faith; where 
there is despair, hope; where there is darkness, light; where there is 
sadness, joy. 


O, Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to 
console; to be understood as to understand; to be loved as to love; For it 
is in giving that we receive; it is in pardoning that we are pardoned; it is

in dying that we are born again to eternal life; it is in studying that we 
pass certification tests 


Chuck 


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RE: Odd responses from List Server

[Bartlett, DS1]

John,

It happened to me today.  No I don't know how to fix it.  I am glad that is
was not just me.

Thanx,
Daryn P. Bartlett

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Subject:Odd responses from List Server

For two of my recent postings I've gotten a response from
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set of commands and it's telling me that it doesn't understand any
of it. 
It's happened twice in two days.

Anyone else having this odd problem?  

Anyone know how to solve this odd problem??  :-)

Thanks,
John





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Re: OSPF question...

[Tom Pruneau]

Greetings Eric

On a router (lets call it router A) , if you have seperate OSPF processes;
lets say process 1 and process 2
They will NOT be mixed on router A. Router A will have two seperate OSPF
tables. When you do a show ip route you should see both but I suspect the
routes from process 1 will have a 1 in front of them somewhere and the ones
from process 2 will have a 2 in front of them somewhere.

You were correct in saying that the only way to get the routes from process
1 into process 2 (or vice versa) is to redistribute them.


Keep in mind though that that separation only happens on router A

lets say router A has three interfaces s1 s2 s3

s1 is connected to router B
s2 is connected to router C
s3 is connected to router D

s1 is listed in its network statement (on router A) under process 1
s2 and s3 are listed under process 2.



Usually when you have multiple processes its for a reason, your intent is
to somehow segregate your network.

Lets say Routers B and C are also running process 2


If you were to accidentally hook router A s1 to the router B or C
connection you would then effectively mix the routes from the 2 processes.

Advertisements pay no attention to the process number. All they care about
is if you're a neighbor and your password is correct (and your timer values
are the same).

hope that helps

Tom






At 10:48 AM 6/8/00 -0500, McMasters, Eric wrote:
>Okay I have been looking for this answer and I still can't find it, so I am
>bringing my question to all of the OSPF guru's that reside on this list.
>
>Here is what I want to know.
>I know that you can run multiple routing processes on a single router, i.e.
>router ospf 1 and router ospf 2
>Now will the networks that are configured under the each of these processes
>know about networks in the other process, without redistributing?
>Will they maintain separate routing tables?
>If so, will all the routes be displayed when issuing the "show ip route"
>command?
>
>I just want to know if the networks that are configured under each process
>will be logically separated on the router, or will they share the same
>routing table?  I'm getting frustrated, since I can't find the answer and
>the 6 cups of coffee that I've already had aren't helping mattersI
>appreciate any and all responses, and the time that you take in reading my
>caffeine induced rants and raves..thank you!
>
>Eric L. McMasters, CCNP/CCDA
>OSSN - Sr. Network Engineer
>
>Phone:913.859.1986
>PCS:913.485.9734
>Fax: 913.859.1234
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New CCNP

[Kevin Wigle]

Dear Group,

As many of you might be aware, I put myself on a schedule to upgrade my
certification.

For about 2 and a half months now I've taken the CMTD, CLSC, ACRC and now
the Support 2.0 exam.

So now I'm a CCNP!

I hesitated somewhat to take the new Support 2.0 as I had studied materials
for the CIT.  But after carefully reviewing some of the comments on this
list I chose to take a chance.

I used the following materials to prepare for CIT/Support:

CIT - Exam Cram by Matthew Luallen
Read cover to cover. More than the title suggests.  Lots of details on what
is going on, not just memorization.

CIT - Cisco Press
Read cover to cover as this is the reference!

CIT - CCNP Study Guide , Syngress.
Read half the book, used the supplied test on the CD.

CIT - CCNP Exam Notes by Kevin Hales/Todd Lammle
Sorry, didn't even crack this one open. (I think I over-reacted to how hard
everyone was saying this exam was and I bought too many books).

Boson CIT 1 exam
Gets you in the swing of things.

CCO - CCIE sample questions

CertificationZone - Sample Test

The Section Analysis for the exam from my score report is:

Connectionless Models
HDLC
IOS backups
Troubleshooting

Truthfully, I just completed the exam - like 2 hours ago and I can't make
hide n'or hare (???) of where HDLC and  IOS backups were..

My experience is a bit different than a previous poster's.  It was mentioned
that there were between 60 and xxx (forget what) questions with a passing
score that was also variable.

Pass is 692 out of the range 300-1000.

I had 61 questions.  That number was told to me at the beginning and that's
what I got.  So I don't think the exam is adaptive from that viewpoint.

And...  the most difficult thing was trying to figure out just what
the hell was being asked.  But we've heard that many times for other tests.
However, the answers are very good, not many obvious gimme's at all.

And most of all thanks to Groupstudy  The wealth of information and people
willing to share that info cannot have a value placed on it.  This group is
incredible.

Haven't finished yet, will now take a stab at completing the CCDP before
swearing off books for the summer.  Might take the FRS 2.0 when it goes live
to make myself a full version 2.0 CCNP/CCDP.

Kevin Wigle
CCNP CCDA MCSE CBE CBI

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RE: Study Habits Part 2

[David Smith]

RRGH!  Keep your religious opinions to yourself, this is not the forum
for it!  Take it off line!  

BTW, Denis, you spelled ignorant incorrectly.  Ironic, isn't it?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 2:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Study Habits Part 2


I'm in total agreement with you Denis.h

-Original Message-
From: Poyerd, Denis
To: 'JL'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 6/8/00 1:41 PM
Subject: RE: Study Habits Part 2

Foolish and ignorent are those that believe in themselves only than
recognize and praise God.

-Original Message-
From: JL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 12:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Study Habits Part 2


Lest we become deluged by by prayers to the "Invisible
Pink Unicorn" or the "Multi-Tentacled Purple Squid', not to mention many
other slightly more mainstream religions, I think such chants and
neditations should be left off list. I would like to think that
educated, highly technical people would have no need for such mindless
superstitions, but alas, I am constantly reminded that while people can
be VERY intelligent in one area, they are extremely deficient in
others. 
 
Can we please keep our respective religious beliefs off line and all
focus on our goal of certification?
 
thank you,
JL
 
BSOFH

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
gwakin
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Study Habits Part 2


this is strictly theological piccadillo but it's the 'Prayer of St.
Francis.'  disclaimer- Contrary to popular belief, we RCs worship
neither the saints nor the pope, so semantical inaccuracies like this
tend to make some of us a little edgy. 
Seems appropriate that we can add hard work and study to a virtuous,
principled life prayer... the only thing we can't really claim is the
Franciscan vow of 'poverty, chastity, and obedience', especially if
we're studying for a certification that will allow us to earn
$120K/yearly and above. 
  

Chuck Larrieu wrote: 


Prayer to St. Francis 

Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace. Where there is hatred, let me
sow 
love; where there is injury, pardon; where there is doubt, faith; where 
there is despair, hope; where there is darkness, light; where there is 
sadness, joy. 


O, Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to

console; to be understood as to understand; to be loved as to love; For
it 
is in giving that we receive; it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
it is 
in dying that we are born again to eternal life; it is in studying that
we 
pass certification tests 


Chuck 


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RE: FREE CCN BOOK - YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[david macq]

I also got the error when trying to get the free book, but if you go to 
www.cisco.com and search for ccn you will find a link to the tour. Take the 
tour then register for the book.
Dave


>From: "James Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: "Apoorva S.Malavia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: FREE CCN BOOK -  YES !!
>Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 07:38:49 -0700
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>What is the URL for the tour?
>
>- -
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>"non sunt multiplicanda entia praeter necessitatem"
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>
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Re: Sylvan Prometric and FRS 2.0 Beta Test

[jawad skalli]

Hi guys,
I totally agree with everybody who stayed on hold for more than an hour to 
register for the FRS 2.0. I, personally, waited for two hours on hold, 
after, first calling at 7:01 , central time, and find them closed, and 
second, i called at 7:04 and told to hold.
Then, when i hang up and called again, they told me that they had some 
problems with the queuing of the calls.
But, i guess that when you are paying for an exam you get through in two 
minutes and everything is working fine.
I am telling you guys something is weird here.

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RE: Study Habits Part 2

[tgaston]

I'm in total agreement with you Denis.h

-Original Message-
From: Poyerd, Denis
To: 'JL'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 6/8/00 1:41 PM
Subject: RE: Study Habits Part 2

Foolish and ignorent are those that believe in themselves only than
recognize and praise God.

-Original Message-
From: JL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 12:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Study Habits Part 2


Lest we become deluged by by prayers to the "Invisible
Pink Unicorn" or the "Multi-Tentacled Purple Squid', not to mention many
other slightly more mainstream religions, I think such chants and
neditations should be left off list. I would like to think that
educated, highly technical people would have no need for such mindless
superstitions, but alas, I am constantly reminded that while people can
be VERY intelligent in one area, they are extremely deficient in
others. 
 
Can we please keep our respective religious beliefs off line and all
focus on our goal of certification?
 
thank you,
JL
 
BSOFH

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
gwakin
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Study Habits Part 2


this is strictly theological piccadillo but it's the 'Prayer of St.
Francis.'  disclaimer- Contrary to popular belief, we RCs worship
neither the saints nor the pope, so semantical inaccuracies like this
tend to make some of us a little edgy. 
Seems appropriate that we can add hard work and study to a virtuous,
principled life prayer... the only thing we can't really claim is the
Franciscan vow of 'poverty, chastity, and obedience', especially if
we're studying for a certification that will allow us to earn
$120K/yearly and above. 
  

Chuck Larrieu wrote: 


Prayer to St. Francis 

Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace. Where there is hatred, let me
sow 
love; where there is injury, pardon; where there is doubt, faith; where 
there is despair, hope; where there is darkness, light; where there is 
sadness, joy. 


O, Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to

console; to be understood as to understand; to be loved as to love; For
it 
is in giving that we receive; it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
it is 
in dying that we are born again to eternal life; it is in studying that
we 
pass certification tests 


Chuck 


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CCNA badge

[Ole Drews Jensen]

> As with Microsoft, I think that one of the hardest things about Cisco is
> to find something on their website.
> 
> I have now tried to follow two different directions from Cisco, but I am
> still not able to find the CCNA badge (logo) information/download
> anywhere.
> 
> Does anyone have a valid link?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ole
> 
> ~
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>  Systems Network Manager
>  CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
>  RWR Enterprises, Inc.
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CCNP study partner(s)

[Joe Lam]

I'm looking for someone to study with through the CCNP program.  I am not a
list member, so please respond directly back to this e-mail address.

I am scheduled to take ACRC tomorrow (unless I chicken out and reschedule
to next week).  It's my second shot at ACRC, so I hope to fare better this
time around.  I plan on tackling CIT before the July 31st deadline, and
pursue the rest of the requirements via CCNP 2.0.

I'd like to hear from anyone on a similar track.  I am in the Northern VA
area, and can be flexible in meeting places/times.

Thanks,

Joe

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RE: PIX Firewall and 2509 Access Router

[Bartlett, DS1]

I have fixed my problem  What I found was my default gateway on my 2509 was
the E0 port.  When I installed the firewall, Cisco says to point default
gateway's internal to the PIX to the inside port address, which I did.
However I did not remove the line ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 ethernet 0 when I
removed this configuration, all worked well, and now proper connections are
restored.

Thank you to all who offered help.

Daryn P. Bartlett

-Original Message-
From:   Bartlett, DS1 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Wednesday, June 07, 2000 5:17 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject:PIX Firewall and 2509 Access Router

I have a 2509 access router with 8 modems attached.  This past
weekend I
installed a PIX 515.  Now when users dial-in they receive very slow
connections.  I tried to ping various Internet hosts and found that
60-80%
packet loss occurred.  I turned on 

Debug ip icmp

Ran a trace to my server at home and received this message

dst (10.100.7.0) port unreachable rcv from X.X.X.190 (home server).


10.100.7.0 is the IP of my E0 interface on the 2509 and it further
says

sent to 10.100.1.0 --> which is the IP of my inside server.

Enlightenment would be greatly appreciated.  I have some very angry
users
who are on the road, including my big boss, an Admiral in the US
Navy.

Thanx all
Daryn P. Bartlett

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BGP Routers Available

[Mundy, Nick]

Does anybody have a list of routers that it is possible to Telnet into and
take a look at the configuration and routing tables?


Nick Mundy
Network Specialist
NEC Business Network Solutions

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RE: Study Habits Part 2

[Poyerd, Denis]

Yes, I realized that. Too quick on the keyboard, but it doesn't dismiss the
greatness of God nor Chuck's right to post his message. 

I agree to remove this discussion from the mainstream, and JL and I have
already communicated further offline.  We should end this string here.

Denis

-Original Message-
From: David Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 2:57 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Study Habits Part 2


RRGH!  Keep your religious opinions to yourself, this is not the forum
for it!  Take it off line!  

BTW, Denis, you spelled ignorant incorrectly.  Ironic, isn't it?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 2:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Study Habits Part 2


I'm in total agreement with you Denis.h

-Original Message-
From: Poyerd, Denis
To: 'JL'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 6/8/00 1:41 PM
Subject: RE: Study Habits Part 2

Foolish and ignorent are those that believe in themselves only than
recognize and praise God.

-Original Message-
From: JL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 12:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Study Habits Part 2


Lest we become deluged by by prayers to the "Invisible
Pink Unicorn" or the "Multi-Tentacled Purple Squid', not to mention many
other slightly more mainstream religions, I think such chants and
neditations should be left off list. I would like to think that
educated, highly technical people would have no need for such mindless
superstitions, but alas, I am constantly reminded that while people can
be VERY intelligent in one area, they are extremely deficient in
others. 
 
Can we please keep our respective religious beliefs off line and all
focus on our goal of certification?
 
thank you,
JL
 
BSOFH

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
gwakin
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Study Habits Part 2


this is strictly theological piccadillo but it's the 'Prayer of St.
Francis.'  disclaimer- Contrary to popular belief, we RCs worship
neither the saints nor the pope, so semantical inaccuracies like this
tend to make some of us a little edgy. 
Seems appropriate that we can add hard work and study to a virtuous,
principled life prayer... the only thing we can't really claim is the
Franciscan vow of 'poverty, chastity, and obedience', especially if
we're studying for a certification that will allow us to earn
$120K/yearly and above. 
  

Chuck Larrieu wrote: 


Prayer to St. Francis 

Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace. Where there is hatred, let me
sow 
love; where there is injury, pardon; where there is doubt, faith; where 
there is despair, hope; where there is darkness, light; where there is 
sadness, joy. 


O, Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to

console; to be understood as to understand; to be loved as to love; For
it 
is in giving that we receive; it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
it is 
in dying that we are born again to eternal life; it is in studying that
we 
pass certification tests 


Chuck 


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CCDA & Boson

[Ole Drews Jensen]

Quick question:

Can anyone recommend (or disrecommend) the Boson CCDA test?

I was pretty satisfied with their CCNA test.

Thanks,

Ole

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 CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
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Scheduled shutdown

[Eduardo Negreiros]

Hi, folks!
I want to "shutdown" a Ethernet interface every day at 18:00 PM and "no
shutdown" this interface every day at 08:00 AM. Does anyone know how to
do it? Is there any command to schedule a shutdown?

Best Regards,
Eduardo Negreiros



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RE: Study Habits Part 2

[Tom Thomas]

I can state for the record there is definitely prayer whenever I am testing!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 2:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Study Habits Part 2


I'm in total agreement with you Denis.h

-Original Message-
From: Poyerd, Denis
To: 'JL'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 6/8/00 1:41 PM
Subject: RE: Study Habits Part 2

Foolish and ignorent are those that believe in themselves only than
recognize and praise God.

-Original Message-
From: JL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 12:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Study Habits Part 2


Lest we become deluged by by prayers to the "Invisible
Pink Unicorn" or the "Multi-Tentacled Purple Squid', not to mention many
other slightly more mainstream religions, I think such chants and
neditations should be left off list. I would like to think that
educated, highly technical people would have no need for such mindless
superstitions, but alas, I am constantly reminded that while people can
be VERY intelligent in one area, they are extremely deficient in
others. 
 
Can we please keep our respective religious beliefs off line and all
focus on our goal of certification?
 
thank you,
JL
 
BSOFH

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
gwakin
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Study Habits Part 2


this is strictly theological piccadillo but it's the 'Prayer of St.
Francis.'  disclaimer- Contrary to popular belief, we RCs worship
neither the saints nor the pope, so semantical inaccuracies like this
tend to make some of us a little edgy. 
Seems appropriate that we can add hard work and study to a virtuous,
principled life prayer... the only thing we can't really claim is the
Franciscan vow of 'poverty, chastity, and obedience', especially if
we're studying for a certification that will allow us to earn
$120K/yearly and above. 
  

Chuck Larrieu wrote: 


Prayer to St. Francis 

Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace. Where there is hatred, let me
sow 
love; where there is injury, pardon; where there is doubt, faith; where 
there is despair, hope; where there is darkness, light; where there is 
sadness, joy. 


O, Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to

console; to be understood as to understand; to be loved as to love; For
it 
is in giving that we receive; it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
it is 
in dying that we are born again to eternal life; it is in studying that
we 
pass certification tests 


Chuck 


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RE: CCNA badge

[Taylor, Don]

Log into http://www.galton.com/~cisco/ and hit the button to Get Logo.

-Original Message-
From: Ole Drews Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 1:23 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: CCNA badge


> As with Microsoft, I think that one of the hardest things about Cisco is
> to find something on their website.
> 
> I have now tried to follow two different directions from Cisco, but I am
> still not able to find the CCNA badge (logo) information/download
> anywhere.
> 
> Does anyone have a valid link?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ole
> 
> ~
>  Ole Drews Jensen
>  Systems Network Manager
>  CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
>  RWR Enterprises, Inc.
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: CCNA badge

[Chris]

http://www.galton.com/~cisco

-chris


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> > As with Microsoft, I think that one of the hardest things about Cisco is
> > to find something on their website.
> >
> > I have now tried to follow two different directions from Cisco, but I am
> > still not able to find the CCNA badge (logo) information/download
> > anywhere.
> >
> > Does anyone have a valid link?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ole
> >
> > ~
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> >  CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
> >  RWR Enterprises, Inc.
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RE: CCNA badge

[Balharek, Peter]

Logos for which you qualify are in the certification tracking section.
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-Original Message-
From:   Ole Drews Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Thursday, June 08, 2000 12:23 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject:CCNA badge

> As with Microsoft, I think that one of the hardest things
about Cisco is
> to find something on their website.
> 
> I have now tried to follow two different directions from
Cisco, but I am
> still not able to find the CCNA badge (logo)
information/download
> anywhere.
> 
> Does anyone have a valid link?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ole
> 
> ~
>  Ole Drews Jensen
>  Systems Network Manager
>  CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
>  RWR Enterprises, Inc.
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: CCNA badge

[Vijay Ramcharan]

http://www.galton.com/~cisco/
Login or create a login and you'll find a link somewhere.


Vijay Ramcharan, MCSE, CCNA


-Original Message-
From: Ole Drews Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 3:23 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: CCNA badge


> As with Microsoft, I think that one of the hardest things about Cisco is
> to find something on their website.
> 
> I have now tried to follow two different directions from Cisco, but I am
> still not able to find the CCNA badge (logo) information/download
> anywhere.
> 
> Does anyone have a valid link?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ole
> 
> ~
>  Ole Drews Jensen
>  Systems Network Manager
>  CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
>  RWR Enterprises, Inc.
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: console port

[Deepak Sharma]

hope this helps...

Building configuration...

Current configuration:
!
! Last configuration change at 22:24:24 UTC Wed Jun 7 2000
! NVRAM config last updated at 20:12:17 UTC Wed Jun 7 2000
!
version 11.2
no service password-encryption
no service udp-small-servers
no service tcp-small-servers
!
hostname Deepak
!
enable secret 5 $1$R23r$rQD7cPAZ8LjQ.G4tEEiBD1
enable password cisco
!
username Deepak password 0 password
no ip domain-lookup
!
interface Ethernet0
 ip address 10.1.1.1 255.255.0.0
 no mop enabled
!
!
interface Serial0
 description ser 0
 ip address 10.2.1.1 255.255.0.0
!
interface Serial1
 ip address 10.3.1.1 255.255.0.0
!
router rip
 network 10.0.0.0
 network 216.140.186.0
!
router igrp 1
 redistribute connected
 network 10.0.0.0
!
ip default-gateway 216.140.186.250<-i kept changing this around...this was
my last best guess
no ip classless
!
snmp-server community public RO
!
line con 0
 exec-timeout 0 0
line aux 0
line vty 0 4
 password password
 login
!
end

"Apoorva S.Malavia" wrote:

> Supply the following info .
>
> ip address of s0, s1, e1.
>
> What are s0 and s1 connected to ? i.e ISP or inter office link ?
>
> Deepak Sharma wrote:
>
> > general questionpretty simple..but it is really confusing for me...
> >
> > if im telneting to a router...and im coming in through the console port,
> > i think its the console port.. (216.54.*.*)..but the router is
> > "dumb" ( no configuration whatsoever)...3 interfaces, e0, s0, s1...i've
> > giving those interfaces inter ip addresses (10.*.*.* etc, )...
> >
> > i try to ping an outside ip address.mine for instance   24.115.*.*
> >
> > but that fails.
> >
> > i try to set the default gate-way as the same ip address i came in from
> > (216.54.*.*), i know thats a long shotbut ofcourse that dosent help
> > either =(
> >
> > any suggestions???
> >
> > thankyou all for the 4th time this week!
> >
> > Deepak
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RE: CCNA badge

[gorer]

You can only download the logo if you're a ccna...from the certifications
page (see link below), click on "Tracking System" on the left side of the
page.  You'll need your cert number, etc to get in from there.

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/index.html

R Gore


-Original Message-
From: Ole Drews Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 12:23 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: CCNA badge


> As with Microsoft, I think that one of the hardest things about Cisco is
> to find something on their website.
> 
> I have now tried to follow two different directions from Cisco, but I am
> still not able to find the CCNA badge (logo) information/download
> anywhere.
> 
> Does anyone have a valid link?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ole
> 
> ~
>  Ole Drews Jensen
>  Systems Network Manager
>  CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
>  RWR Enterprises, Inc.
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ~
> 

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Re: CCNA badge

[Dale Holmes]

You have to login to the Tracking site and get the log from there...

www.galton.com

Choose the  "Cert Progress" button, and from there you will see the "Get 
Logo" button about one third of the way down the page...

I hope this helps.

Dale
[=`)


>From: Ole Drews Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Ole Drews Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: CCNA badge
>Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:22:41 -0500
>
> > As with Microsoft, I think that one of the hardest things about Cisco is
> > to find something on their website.
> >
> > I have now tried to follow two different directions from Cisco, but I am
> > still not able to find the CCNA badge (logo) information/download
> > anywhere.
> >
> > Does anyone have a valid link?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ole
> >
> > ~
> >  Ole Drews Jensen
> >  Systems Network Manager
> >  CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
> >  RWR Enterprises, Inc.
> >  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > ~
> >
>
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Re: (off-topic) Selectrics, was SNA device types

[Thomas Lisa]

Ahhh Carbon Paper, I remember it well.  And typewriter erasers with little metal
templates that allowed you to erase just one letter (sometimes) not to mention
white out.  Perhaps some of the "good-old-days" weren't so good!

Tom Lisa, Instructor, CCNA, CCAI
Community College of Southern Nevada
Cisco Regional Networking Academy


Jay Hennigan wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, Thomas Lisa wrote:
>
> > The first place where I was hired as a Dir. of MIS, considered Computer Word
> > Processing to be IBM Selectrics with memory!
>
> Actually, the term "Word Processing" was coined by IBM.  My father's
> office had a number of "Mag Card Selectric Typewriters" which were
> at the time very high-tech and expensive.  A Selectric typewriter
> was connected via an umbilical to a deskside unit about the height and
> depth but half the width of a two-drawer file cabinet.
>
> This device had a slot which accepted a magnetic coated card the same
> size and shape as a Hollerith punch card.  The typist would bang out a
> rough draft in "record" mode, backspacing and typing over errors, onto
> cheap paper.  Then after proofreading and correction a piece of nice
> letterhead was inserted and the machine was set to "playback", typing
> a nice perfect copy.  Each card held about a page of text.  You could
> have cards of "canned" boilerplate and have the machine stop to have
> you switch cards.
>
> I even got to use it on weekends and evenings for high school term
> papers.  At the time it was considered real space-age stuff.  One of
> my teachers always wanted an original and a copy of papers.  Anyone
> remember carbon paper?  I just turned in two identical originals.
> The teacher knew something very strange was going on, especailly in
> cases where she would mark corrections and get back two fixed six-page
> originals the next day.  Truly great fun.
>
> Probably used some of the same protocols at least as far as the Selectric
> interface.
>
> --
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10Gb Ethernet (Was: RE: ATM)

[Heskett, Tony]

> From: Byron Bean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

> speaking of 10Gb Ethernet ... anyone who lives in the NY 
> area, there was a 
> good article in the NY Times a few days ago about 1Gb and 
> 10Gb Ethernet with 
> sales projections for the next few years.  Good read.
> 
> Byron Bean, CCNA

Hey, thanks for the heads-up !

http://search3.nytimes.com/search/daily/bin/fastweb?getdoc+cyber-lib+cyber-l
ib+11344+0+wAAA+gigabit%7Eethernet

Try here.  Watch wrap.  You'll also have to sign up, but it /is/ 
free and I've been on there for a while without attracting
any spam, so it's safe too...

If the link doesn't work, go to the Technology section and
search for Ethernet, duh...  ;-)

Tone

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Re: Good BGP book

[ChrisAll]

Internet Routing Architectures by Basaam Halabi

Second..

BGP4 by John Stewart

-ChrisAll


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Good BGP book

[Dave Santeramo]

I know this was posted recently but can someone reply.



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RE: FREE CCN BOOK - YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Soumendra Rath]

The following is the link.
take the tour and register for the book



http://www.cisco.com/offer/content/etour/L313-166XC/

ciao
rath
CCNA,CCDA,BCRAN,BCMSN,MCP

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