RE: Tokenring [7:72470]
B? How can her workstation retain connectivity if it's turned off? Could you successfully ping it? A seems right to me. =?iso-8859-1?q?maine=20dude?= wrote: Hi, I know that this should be a easy question, I think that the answer is B. But the book says A, what do you think the answer is? If you could also provide a link for a detailed answer that would be good. What would happen on a simple ring network if one of the users turned off her workstation? a. Only her workstation would lose connectivity. b. None of the workstations would lose connectivity. c. The workstations on either side of hers in the ring would lose network connectivity. d. The network would fail Answer: ? Thanks in advance Dj - Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=72473t=72470 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: route commands [7:72406]
So I guess it's now 1,000,001 times :-)) Still, I don't blame anyone for believing this urban legend of the networking world when authorities such as Doyle and Caslow continue to propagate it. I just wonder how the AD=0 rumor ever got started. However, although the AD=1 for both routes, they are not the same in all respects. One important difference-- with the interface form, the router considers any host reachable through that interface to be directly connected and so ARPs for its address. This does not happen for all hosts with a numeric next hop. This might not make a difference in the case given, but suppose your default route pointed to an interface rather than a numeric next hop? See for a more detailed exmple and explanation. Sasa Milic wrote: This was discussed a milion times; static route that points to an interface has AD=1. Sasa CCIE #8635 Nakul Malik wrote: by default, a static route has an AD of 1. If the static route points to an exit interface, the AD=0. That is the only difference HTH. -Nakul Karyn Williams wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] We recently added another interface, S1/1, that connects a private line to another school. We are routing 156.3.37.0 to them. Should I have route statements that say ip route 156.3.37.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.0.2 or ip route 156.3.37.0 255.255.255.0 Serial1/1 Current config: ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 Serial0/0 ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 Serial0/1 ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 Serial1/0 ip route 65.165.174.0 255.255.254.0 FastEthernet0/0 ip route 156.3.37.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.0.2 ip route 198.182.157.0 255.255.255.0 65.165.175.253 ip route 207.233.56.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.0.2 I am interested if there is a performance difference between these two route statements or any other reason why one would be preferred over the other. TIA. -- Karyn Williams, CNE Network Services Manager California Institute of the Arts [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.calarts.edu/network -- Regards, Sasa CCIE #8635 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=72468t=72406 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Static Routes and Administrative Distance [7:72495]
I am skeptical, Tom. Someone, I think it was Howard, researched this as far back as 9.x releases without finding the AD=0 behavior. I can't support this as I couldn't find it in the archives and I have not tried it myself. But, in order to prove that AD=0 never existed one would have to test all releases, a task that is probably impossible without a museum of hardware. But I think the burden of proof has to lie with the pro-AD=0 faction given the history on this issue. Tom Martin wrote: John, The behavior changed with the IOS releases. Newer IOS releases with static routes pointing to an interface will have an administrative distance of 1, not 0. Older versions will have an administrative distance of 0. Unfortunately I do not know the exact release in which the behavior changed. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=72502t=72495 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: For Priscilla [7:71462]
That is very interesting. Can you give us a little more background about how your relationship with your publisher went so badly wrong? I for one know very little about how publisher-author deals work and would like to hear more, it it's not too painful to relate! Obviously I made a big mistake in choice of publisher, but who could have known? They are one of the most prestigious publishers. But their motto is: If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it, it doesn't matter. At least the other forests didn't get the tree. Am I bitter? You bet. I was swindled. Priscilla Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=71522t=71462 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: how about ccie salary in US? [7:71143]
Oh, but I thought corporate management can never be wrong. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of n rf Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: how about ccie salary in US? [7:71143] Jack Nalbandian wrote: The consensus among all corporate managers that I have dealt with is that CCIEs cannot obtain their status with at least some real experience. That is the consensus. Don't shoot me for it. \ Those corporate managers are wrong. They may want to look up the term lab-rat and see how it is commonly used, especially on this ng. Also, consider this. Those people who really think that the CCIE is impossible to pass without experience should freely support (or at least have no objection to) an idea I've been pushing for awhile - namely requiring a minimum number of years of verifiable networking experience in order to be eligible to take the exam, and for which all candidates would be subject to a random background check to catch liars - similar to how some companies run background checks on their job candidates. If it's categorically true that nobody could ever pass the lab without experience, then this new requirement should not be a problem, right? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=71415t=71143 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: how about ccie salary in US? [7:71143]
True, fairness is a must. CCIEs without much experience are rare in the field percentage-wise in comparison, as no-nothing frat boys who drank through college are aplenty. These chaps sure played good paintball, but they were not good techs. CCIEs with some experience are considered to have college equivalent experience and training as it pertains to technical know-how, knowledge that has proven to be crucial in the survival of a few companies that I have worked in. The companies did not care very much whether the CCIE had any soft skills when it came time to salvage a disaster of a network. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of n rf Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 7:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: how about ccie salary in US? [7:71143] Jack Nalbandian wrote: That is anecdotal nonsense. Any major corporation in need of real techs and that has a Cisco infrastructure will certainly consider CCIEs very seriously, yes even above so-called CS degree holders without much experience, for technical lead positions. I can bring examples that are not merely anecdotal. At the risk of restarting a war, that's a bit unfair, don't you think? You're saying that a CCIE (with experience, although you left that part unstated) will be considered above a degree-holder without experience for a lead position. I think it's more fair to say that nobody without experience will ever be considered for a lead position, regardless of other qualifications. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=71331t=71143 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: how about ccie salary in US? [7:71143]
The consensus among all corporate managers that I have dealt with is that CCIEs cannot obtain their status with at least some real experience. That is the consensus. Don't shoot me for it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of n rf Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 1:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: how about ccie salary in US? [7:71143] Jack Nalbandian wrote: CCIEs with some experience are considered to have college equivalent experience and training as it pertains to technical know-how, knowledge that has proven to be crucial in the survival of a few companies that I have worked in. The companies did not care very much whether the CCIE had any soft skills when it came time to salvage a disaster of a network. But then what are we really talking about here - is it the CCIE or is it the experience that matters? I think we both agree that a CCIE with no experience - the prototype lab-rat- is not one to be trusted with running a live network until and unless that lab-rat gets experience. A much more fair comparison would be the CCIE with some experience vs. the college graduate with equal experience. And I would wonder whether there really are enough network disasters around that one could really make a reliable living off them merely with strong technical skills but no soft-skills. I would contend probably not. The fact is, if nobody in the company likes you, then you either better be an absolutely awesome firefighter, or you're going to get canned. Companies these days simply don't have a lot of room anymore for guys who may be technically brilliant but socially inept. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=71375t=71143 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: how about ccie salary in US? [7:71143]
That is anecdotal nonsense. Any major corporation in need of real techs and that has a Cisco infrastructure will certainly consider CCIEs very seriously, yes even above so-called CS degree holders without much experience, for technical lead positions. I can bring examples that are not merely anecdotal. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zsombor Papp Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 8:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: how about ccie salary in US? [7:71143] Based on anecdotal evidence I've seen on this list before, I can give you an excellent ball-park figure: zero. You won't get a job if you are just a CCIE. See also NRF's post below. My hard-earned $0.02. :) Thanks, Zsombor At 02:25 AM 6/24/2003 +, Mark W. Odette II wrote: That being said... I think the OP would just like a general answer. Ball-park figures aren't lies, as so long as they are indicated as ball-park figures. It's not a lie if you just simply state/indicate what the average figure is that you've seen in your area. So, if someone can contribute such an answer, let them do so. I'm sure the OP was just trying to get a general idea- Scholar or not. Geeesh... sometimes it amazes me how simple answers are so hard to come by on this list. No offense intended NRF. As for myself, I don't know what the going salary/consulting rate is in the D/FW area of Texas for a CCIE... So I can't comment on such. -Mark -Original Message- From: n rf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 7:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: how about ccie salary in US? [7:71143] - jvd wrote: I wonder if anybody is going to have anything positive to say about this post? So basically, you want us to lie, eh? ;-. Seriously, CCIE salaries have been down for awhile and any honest discussion about salaries is going to be necessarily negative. When something's black, it would be a lie to call it white. As far as the original question, so much depends on your experience level, the geographical location, things like holding a degree (or not). Strong candidates that have lots of experience, are well educated, and are in places can still pull nice salaries. But I'm also aware of CCIE's applying for positions that pay less than 30k - and not getting them. The point is that the CCIE by itself guarantees nothing. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=71222t=71143 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cisco Third Party H323 Device [7:70568]
Yes. As long as you have the right codecs running. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kengie Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 10:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cisco Third Party H323 Device [7:70568] Dear All, Can Cisco VoIP Box connect to third party H323 devices? For example, Cisco AS5300 - H323 - Clarent or Cisco AS5300 - H323 - Audio Code MP200 and vice versa? Just wondering since all these device working via standard H323 protocol. Many thanks. Regards, Kengie Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=70571t=70568 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RE: RE: RE: number of CCIE??? [7:70328]
LOL! OK. I will only accuse you of blatant bias, if that feels better. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of n rf Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: number of CCIE??? [7:70328] Steve Wilson wrote: Thank you gents, I have come to the conclusion that Jack and NRF is one and the same person. Anyone who has seen, or read, Fight Club will recognise the symptoms. Any minute now NRF will shoot himself through the mouth and end it all. I think I really am going to go postal if people continue to accuse me of attempting to convey some hidden message using some underlying subterfuge, Morse code, esperanto, smoke-signals, interpretive dance, subliminal messages (buy CocaCola! Jennifer Lopez - come over to my place), invisible ink, Thieves' Cant, or any other form of communication besides plain English . Oh, what nrf said is this, but what he's actually secretly trying to say is something else entirely, and I know this because I have something that nobody else has - my own nrf-secret-decoder-ring. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=70551t=70328 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: number of CCIE [7:70151]
[NRF] Uh, no the free market responds by giving preference to certain well-known elite colleges. Everybody knows that not every bachelor's degree is born the same. Some are far more valuable than others. Goldman Sachs will send recruiters to Harvard, but not Podunk Community College. And this is well understood - this is why parents want their kids to attend the best school they can. [JN] Yeah, but does the college happy HR dude (your idol) who says bachelors required on dinky IT jobs (e.g. desktop support tech) pay attention to that? As far as he's concerned all BSs are BSs, and they are all superior to non-graduates. Remember that we are talking about IT jobs, not top mamanegent or top financial analyst positions. [NRF] First of all, what admissions fiasco? Are you saying that because of the abundance of information that all of a sudden everybody's getting a perfect score on their SAT's? I don't see that happening. Do you? If so, please [JN] The admissions process is a fiasco, but that is another issue. Are you implying that all the certified people are getting perfect scores because of braindumps and bootcamps? [NRF] that all of a sudden because of the abundance of information, everybody is now a star athlete or class president, or all those other factors that help [JN] Ah, I see, we wish for a hierarchial classification of tech in the same manner a college partitions its student body: i.e. a class president or class athlete, as in star router dude test# 652-STAR, a position in cert society achieved by fulfilling a number of criteria. Perhaps one such criterion is popularity among router dudes, most elegant telnet typist, and IOS orator. [JN] all in (stale) humor--:) [NRF] And then you talk about what people do when they're in college. If students are using the Internet to cheat, then that's really a problem with cheating in general and not with information abundance. That's why schools are implementing policies to check for the very kind of cheating that you have stated - school administrators themselves are keeping tabs on websites where you can download papers and other such 'tools'. [JN] Is that so? So we shouldn't see a problem in braindumps, now, should we? Those who don't wish to cheat, don't cheat. Is that a fair assessment? So, should those who don't cheat get the chance to be evaluated fairly? [NRF] Yet the same thing applies just as equally to the certification process. [JN] I never said anything differently. [NRF] You talk about guys hacking test answers or getting ready-made term papers. Yet there have been several cases in Asia where CCIE proctors have been caught selling actual test questions on the black market. Right now, there are certain websites in China that will sell you these questions (I am obviously not going to name any of these websites here). And you talk about some people hiring term-paper franchises, yet people have engaged in the practice of hiring guys to take their CCIE test for them. [JN] Same in colleges. Fraud is part of this fast paced life. Hey, the more degree happy HR dudes start knocking certs, the more corrupt the degree will be, and the more integrity the cert programs will have. Yup, it's all about supply and demand. [NRF] The point is that cheating cuts both ways. Every single cheating method that you have mentioned in the academic world has its equivalent method in the cert world. I don't see that academic cheating is any more serious than certification cheating. So it's a wash. [JN] I agree completely. Amazing, but true! [JN] OK, chap, I was wrong about you---:) (besides the fact that people are sick of this thread. Actually, it sounds like they're have a good laugh--:)) I said it earlier: Any such generalization and benchmarking will be counterproductive and damaging to the process of choosing employees, particularly for our field. It is unfair, and it is stupid. [NRF] Yet strangely enough, this is precisely what corporate America does. So basically you're saying that they're wrong and you're right? If so, then [JN] Yup, that is what I am saying, but they are also changing their ways. I've been looking at job requirements posted on the net, and the degree required is now increasingly replaced with the more complete bachelors degree or equivalent experience and education. So, my side is winning the battle a bit! --:) [NRF] And many others who are far more experienced in taking the lab interestingly enough agree with me. [JN] Produce them. [NRF] OK. John Kaberna. Hansang Bae. Kwame Gordon. To name a few. [NRF] Who do you got? [JN] What do they say? Chuck, for one, answered in detail. I remember his description of the lab test when he first took it. I can vouch for the fact that certs have not gotten easier in and of themselves. [NRF] Then ask yourself why is it that lab bootcamps are such a thriving business? Either it's because they make it easier to pass the exam or all the
RE: RE: RE: RE: number of CCIE??? [7:70328]
(decrease price), then demand from the purchaser (companies) will increase. After all, if a CCNP individual meets the needs, but a CCIE can be hired for the same salary as the CCNP, then, in many cases, the company will hire the CCIE...thus devaluing the CCNP in the process by creating excess CCNP supply (those looking for work). Conclusion? My interpretation of the market tells me that while the technical knowledge level of the CCIE is still very high, and that the knowledge value of the individual CCIEs is still a valuable personal commodity, the certification has been devalued in the marketplace. Not because the program isn't rigorous or because Cisco is passing more people per year, but because outside economic factors have reduced the demand from companies, resulting in an excess of qualified labor. This devaluation may or may not be temporary, based upon future unknown events. If you're pursuing a career in networking because it brings you personal satisfaction and not because of the money, then this devaluation won't really make a difference to you one way or the other. After all, most people who become full time artists do it for the love of art...not the big salaries. If you're in networking strictly for the money, you should closely examine the trends and make your decisions accordingly. As for me, I'm somewhere in the middle. Personally, I love my job. I love networking. But I'd find a new career tomorrow if I'd be capped at $20k a year due to market pressures. Afterall, I have a family to feed. :-) At 09:03 AM 6/9/2003 +, you wrote: Jack Nalbandian wrote: My friend NRF (what is your name anyhow?), Others have expressed concern, true, and most of them are legitimate. You mentioned that the MCSE was thought of as a means to get easy money from a relatively naive market faced with the new IT dimension. Expressing legitimate concern by citing facts has its value, but I see that you are indeed peddling myths, but, so far (forgive me for generalizing due to limited exposure to your thoughts) you have been very one-sided ad biased in your concerns. The CCIE number thread is based on some objective opinion of ONE person, you. You have also not provided data to back your opinion, and doubt very much that you can provide definitive data on the matter. It is not one-sided at all. Again, answer the question - all other things being equal, would you prefer a lower or a higher number for yourself or not? Of course you prefer a lower number. I know I do. Pretty much everybody does. So actually, I would say that the majority is on my side. The only difference is that some people like me are willing to admit it, and others aren't. But in our hearts, we all know what the truth is. Again, if you don't believe me, go look in the mirror and ask yourself honestly would you take a lower number if Cisco offered it to you? Be honest with yourself. I think you know exactly what I'm talking about and that's about as definitive as you're ever going to get. Who are those some people, those who (allegedly) required lower number CCIE's and what percentage of the global population of HR managers do they constitute? Do they, furthermore, qualify to judge either way? How expertly knowledgable are they of the CCIE certification process? How familiar are you? Once again with the ad-hominem attacks. Why do people insist on attacking my character and my motives rather than my actual points? First of all, I obviously don't think it's stupid that people who do hiring prefer the lower number. I think it's actually entirely logical. But fine, let's have it your way. Even if it was illogical, what does that prove? You ask how what makes these HR people qualified to judge? Simple. The mere fact that HR managers have jobs to give makes that person qualified to judge. Why? Simple - the golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules. If you want a job, and they have the jobs to give, then they are the ones with the power. They are the ones who tell you what they are looking for, and if you refuse to play by their rules, then they won't give you the job, simple as that. Unfair? Maybe. But get over it. That's life. If you have your own company, then you can decide what criteria you will use to hire. But if you don't, then you have to dance to the tune of the piper. Let me put it to you another way. Surely we all know that many companies prefer that certain positions be filled by college graduates, despite the fact that those positions don't really require anything that you would learn in college. So you might then say that it's stupid that they do things this way. Yeah, but at the end of the day, so what? Since they are the ones who have the jobs, they get to decide what they want. Ranting and raving about how you think the requirement is stupid isn't going to change their minds. Do you seriously believe that you'll
RE: number of CCIE [7:70151]
[NRF] In this thread, I have attacked what has happened to the CCIE lately. Not the CCIE in general, just what has happened to it lately. This is a [JN] Your overall approach has a pattern to it, and your response ironically reenforces the notion. The number of CCIE thread merely complements the entire line of reasoning that you have thus far been feeding the topic of credentials in general. Below is again a case in point. [NRF] And now to your specific points. All education does not suffer from an abundance of information, for one specific reason. Education uses relative scoring, something that I've advocated for awhile. You want to get into college, especially an elite one? You can't just present a summation of qualifications. You win admission by beating out the other guy. If the other guy raises his game, then you have to raise you game too. Top colleges therefore retains their elite status precisely because they are always admitting the very best students, whatever best happens to mean at that particular time. If all students all of a sudden have access to more information, it doesn't matter, because the those colleges will still skim from the top, whatever the top happens to be. Therefore they will always do a good job of identifying whoever the top students happen to be. Relative scoring ensures that this happens. [JN] Admissions to a college is merely a step along the cheat ladder for many, and there are many supplemental colleges and universities that hand out the bachelors for those who fail the first admissions hurdle. Therefore, the overall picture is as dismal as that of the cert: i.e. Bachelors holders in various fields oversupply the market and cause for unemployment of their peers. For example, there is no national engineer graduate limit to contend with. More, if the student has completed his education and testing with enough abundance of information, then his GPA and other such qualifications are also privy to such informational corruption. After the admission fiasco, you will once again have the typical student cram relentlessly during his college tenure, tempting him/her to once again reap the old Internet harvest of information. He will have his myriad choice of cheating, whether that is by way of hacked test answers, ready made term papers on any given subject on the net, or by way of paid for term paper writing franchises. This is an irrelevancy that is repeatedly used by your argumentation. I said it earlier: Any such generalization and benchmarking will be counterproductive and damaging to the process of choosing employees, particularly for our field. It is unfair, and it is stupid. [NRF] And many others who are far more experienced in taking the lab interestingly enough agree with me. [JN] Produce them. I can vouch for the fact that certs have not gotten easier in and of themselves. I can also vouch for the fact that a college degree can be obtained with much more ease than before, but that is my personal experience and bias talking. Remember, I am also a graduate in addition to holding certifications, although in completely unrelated fields. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=70477t=70151 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Recert CCNA [7:70459]
You can pass one test, only the BSCI or BCRAN test, and retain you CCNA status (for another 3 years) until you can test for the rest. You don't need to retest for the CCNA at all. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Walker, James, IS Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Recert CCNA [7:70459] Few months is enough time to get your CCNP, depending where you stand with understanding the technology and hands on. Don't waste your time with CCNA. Just my 2 cents. Jim -Original Message- From: Steve Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Recert CCNA [7:70459] Hey Gang has anyone taken the 607 test? If so what are the best books to study with? My CCNA runs out in a few months so it's back to the books. Thanks, Steve Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=70485t=70459 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCNA certification [7:70400]
I think that you only need to pass one CCNP test in order to extend your CCNA status. Below is a quote from www.cisco.com CCNA certifications are valid for three years. To recertify, pass the current certification exam or any new exam at the Professional or Cisco Qualified Specialist level bearing the prefix 642. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Momb Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 6:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNA certification [7:70400] To All, I have a friend who has a CCNA and its about to expire. He has three tests completed out of the four toward his CCNP. If his CCNA certification expires, can he take the final test and be a CCNP with a expired CCNA. What is Cisco's policy concerning this? Mike Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=70416t=70400 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RE: RE: RE: number of CCIE??? [7:70328]
NRF, I am not here to convince you ether way. My aim was to demonstrate that myths that stem from biases based on purely subjective data are only damaging. Part and parcel of the discreditation exercise is the lesson that myths are easily concocted. I will no longer respond to this thread, as there have been requests for this to stop. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of n rf Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 2:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: number of CCIE??? [7:70328] Jack Nalbandian wrote: My friend NRF (what is your name anyhow?), Others have expressed concern, true, and most of them are legitimate. You mentioned that the MCSE was thought of as a means to get easy money from a relatively naive market faced with the new IT dimension. Expressing legitimate concern by citing facts has its value, but I see that you are indeed peddling myths, but, so far (forgive me for generalizing due to limited exposure to your thoughts) you have been very one-sided ad biased in your concerns. The CCIE number thread is based on some objective opinion of ONE person, you. You have also not provided data to back your opinion, and doubt very much that you can provide definitive data on the matter. It is not one-sided at all. Again, answer the question - all other things being equal, would you prefer a lower or a higher number for yourself or not? Of course you prefer a lower number. I know I do. Pretty much everybody does. So actually, I would say that the majority is on my side. The only difference is that some people like me are willing to admit it, and others aren't. But in our hearts, we all know what the truth is. Again, if you don't believe me, go look in the mirror and ask yourself honestly would you take a lower number if Cisco offered it to you? Be honest with yourself. I think you know exactly what I'm talking about and that's about as definitive as you're ever going to get. Who are those some people, those who (allegedly) required lower number CCIE's and what percentage of the global population of HR managers do they constitute? Do they, furthermore, qualify to judge either way? How expertly knowledgable are they of the CCIE certification process? How familiar are you? Once again with the ad-hominem attacks. Why do people insist on attacking my character and my motives rather than my actual points? First of all, I obviously don't think it's stupid that people who do hiring prefer the lower number. I think it's actually entirely logical. But fine, let's have it your way. Even if it was illogical, what does that prove? You ask how what makes these HR people qualified to judge? Simple. The mere fact that HR managers have jobs to give makes that person qualified to judge. Why? Simple - the golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules. If you want a job, and they have the jobs to give, then they are the ones with the power. They are the ones who tell you what they are looking for, and if you refuse to play by their rules, then they won't give you the job, simple as that. Unfair? Maybe. But get over it. That's life. If you have your own company, then you can decide what criteria you will use to hire. But if you don't, then you have to dance to the tune of the piper. Let me put it to you another way. Surely we all know that many companies prefer that certain positions be filled by college graduates, despite the fact that those positions don't really require anything that you would learn in college. So you might then say that it's stupid that they do things this way. Yeah, but at the end of the day, so what? Since they are the ones who have the jobs, they get to decide what they want. Ranting and raving about how you think the requirement is stupid isn't going to change their minds. Do you seriously believe that you'll be able to go to these companies and use your power of persuasion to convince them that their own requirement is stupid? Of course not. You either have want they want, or you'll be passed by. The key, therefore, is if you want that job, you should get that thing that they want, even if you don't agree that it's necessary. Telling companies that you don't agree with their hiring practices doesn't help you in paying the rent. Sometimes you gotta put up with things you don't agree with in order to get something you want (like a job). That's life. You gotta be pragmatic here. I hate stopping at red lights at 3 AM when there's nobody around to crash into. But hey, if I run one and get pulled over, am I really going to win an argument with the cop over how I shouldn't need to obey the light because there's nobody around? Of course not. He's gonna hand me a ticket and I'm going to be out $300, end of story. I stop at red lights at 3AM simply because I don't want to get a ticket. I think it's stupid that I would get one because there's nobody around
RE: number of CCIE [7:70151]
John, Perhaps your bias is based on the intrinsic value of longevity, of experience, associated with the lower number. You tell me. Another poster, Craig Columbus [EMAIL PROTECTED], pointed out market forces, to which I find no objection, however speculative it is. There is the trend of saturation of market with technicians, but the same argument, if it must, can be made against those holding the good old bachelors of engineering: e.g. those working their own ice cream stands throughout the country - if they are not yet exported to Singapore (speaking from the USA perspective). Again, NRF's stress is that of the inherent fallacy of the certification process itself, of the lack of value of the certification due to the lack of credibility associated with it due to, according to him, abundant over-supply of test related information. I respectfully disagree with that one-dimensional assessment, and the main objection that I make is that ALL educational programs suffer from such abundance of digitally/Internet based information. That is a weak argument in itself to justify promoting a myth that destroys the reputation of sometimes rigorous (if accomplished honestly) certification tracks. The only hole in the CCIE certification that could be found, due to the lack of such Internet based information supply argument pertaining to the lab, is that of numbers. One individual says there are too many for the market, so you now have devaluation, but at least this individual does not attempt to degrade the educational and testing process of certification itself. The other individuals says higher number CCIEs are inferior due to the easier lab, to which some experienced in taking the lab exam object vehemently. You be the judge. I think nrf is using this as a hypothetical examle to reinforce his point. He's not implying that it would be reasonable or likely. I feel that it does a good job of illustrating the point. Many people--not all, and maybe not even a majority--give more weight in their own minds to CCIEs with lower numbers. I will admit to doing this myself sometimes, and right or wrong it demonstrates a bias that many share. This bias appears to be more and more prevalent among HR people and nrf is simply pointing this out while attempting to show that many of us, if we're honest, have the same bias. John Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=70433t=70151 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RE: RE: RE: number of CCIE??? [7:70328]
This constant blare of prejudicial bias in favor of college ed and to the definite disfavor of certification seems to come most intensely from your address. The undertext is always the same: Go to college. Is there a career-oriented quasi-political interest element at play here somewhere? Do you have a vested interest in recruiting people into college programs? I am just asking speculative and rhetorical questions with the hope of shedding some light on this mysterious phenomenon of one-sided expression of concern for the (alleged) degradation of in this case certification programs. The CCIE itself, once dubbed the doctorate of networking is now under attack, and there have been numerous posts, only by NRF, dedicated to this topic. It is as though there is a one man crusade in progress here. 1. If CCIE or any other sort of education is suffering from degradation and devaluation due to the oversaturation of test-related information on the Internet, then the same argument can be made to the detriment of the University. Why else would you have entire net anti-plagiarist policing firms offering their services to universities to guard against copy and paste term papers? 2. Any such argument that attempts to emphasize the value of college education at the expense of the certification tracks offered by MS, Cisco, or anyone else is doomed to be subjected to equally potent counter-arguments. The sad fact is that the Internet itself, ironically, has opened the door to billions of pages of information (thus, the info highway), a good portion of which will have its various corrupting effects. Any insistence on the superiority of one program over the other due to some integrity benchmark will only yield endless cycles of worhtless arguments. I for one am still going through the pains of recertification, and I will do so joyfully (nope, without cheat sheets or practice tests). But, the good news is that I am also enrolling for CS degree (actually IT managment) next fall!---:) p.s. The CCIEs that I have had the privilege of working with in the field have proven themselves to be experts time and time again. They are still very valuable in the marketplace. Myths are the only thing that can taint that. As far as I have seen, judging by the failure rate among quite competent colleagues of mine, the lab is still the lab. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of n rf Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 9:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: number of CCIE [7:70151] garrett allen wrote: you make an a priori argument that lower is better. is a lower number cpa better than a higher numbered one? You got me wrong. I didn't say that lower is better at all times. Read my entire post again. I said that more rigorous equates to prestige. This is why I included my example of what would happen if Cisco decided to change the CCIE exam to become extremely rigorous - then eventually people would prize high-number CCIE's who passed the more rigorous version. The fact is, prestige follows rigor. If something is more rigorous, then it becomes rigorous and vice versa. This is why graduating from MIT is more prestigious than graduating from Podunk Community College. But the fact is, the CCIE on the whole has probably gotten more rigorous (i.e. chopping the test from 2 days to 1, eliminating the dedicated troubleshooting section, more bootcamps/braindumps, more cheating, etc. etc.) which is why it has become less prestigious. actually, probably the inverse is true as the more recent the certification the more recent the material covered. this is balanced against with age comes opportunities and experiences. Unfortunately, the free market disagrees with you. The fact is, a growing number of recruiters, headhunters, and HR people are starting to give preference to lower-number CCIE's. Go check out the groupstudy.jobs forum. Yet I have never heard of any recruiter giving preference to higher-number CCIE. It's always one-way, and that's my point. threads like this are like discussing the maximum number of angels dancing on the head of a pin. i vote we kill the thread before it spawn. later. - Original Message - From: n rf Date: Thursday, June 5, 2003 5:16 pm Subject: RE: number of CCIE [7:70151] Well, there are still less than 10,000 CCIE's. So the population hasn'taccelerated THAT dramatically. Having said that, I will say that the CCIE has most likely gotten less rigorous and therefore less valuable over time. I know this is going to greatly annoy some people when I say this, but the truth is, the averagequality of the later (read: high-number) CCIE's is probably lower than the average quality of the higher (read: lower-number) CCIE's. Before any of you high-number CCIE's decides to flame me, ask yourself if you were given the opportunity to trade your number for a lower number,would you
RE: RE: RE: RE: number of CCIE??? [7:70328]
My friend NRF (what is your name anyhow?), Others have expressed concern, true, and most of them are legitimate. You mentioned that the MCSE was thought of as a means to get easy money from a relatively naive market faced with the new IT dimension. Expressing legitimate concern by citing facts has its value, but I see that you are indeed peddling myths, but, so far (forgive me for generalizing due to limited exposure to your thoughts) you have been very one-sided ad biased in your concerns. The CCIE number thread is based on some objective opinion of ONE person, you. You have also not provided data to back your opinion, and doubt very much that you can provide definitive data on the matter. Who are those some people, those who (allegedly) required lower number CCIE's and what percentage of the global population of HR managers do they constitute? Do they, furthermore, qualify to judge either way? How expertly knowledgable are they of the CCIE certification process? How familiar are you? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of n rf Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 11:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: number of CCIE??? [7:70328] Jack Nalbandian wrote: This constant blare of prejudicial bias in favor of college ed and to the definite disfavor of certification seems to come most intensely from your address. The undertext is always the same: Go to college. Woah, now there's something that completely came out of left field. When in any of my posts on this particular thread did I ever tell anybody to favor college over certification? I agre that in the past I have often advocated the benefits of college over certification, but not in this particular topic. And believe me, I think everybody on this board knows that I don't hold back, so if I wanted to talk about college, believe me, I would have talked about it, and done so explicitly. I've been described by many adjectives, some positive and some negative, but I don't think I've ever been described as 'subtle'. I don't believe in undertexts, I don't believe in subterfuge, and I don't believe in stealth. If something is on my mind, believe me, I'm going to say it. Is there a career-oriented quasi-political interest element at play here somewhere? Do you have a vested interest in recruiting people into college programs? Since you opened the door, I could very easily turn around and ask you whether you have a vested interest in cert programs? I am just asking speculative and rhetorical questions with the hope of shedding some light on this mysterious phenomenon of one-sided expression of concern for the (alleged) degradation of in this case certification programs. The CCIE itself, once dubbed the doctorate of networking is now under attack, and there have been numerous posts, only by NRF, dedicated to this topic. It is as though there is a one man crusade in progress here. Only by me? Really? So nobody else has ever expressed any concerns about certs? Is that right? If I look back, I see that this whole thread was started by somebody else. I also see some rather back-handed statements about certs by people like Chuck (the road goes ever on). Howard Berkowitz is clearly no fan of certs either. 1. If CCIE or any other sort of education is suffering from degradation and devaluation due to the oversaturation of test-related information on the Internet, then the same argument can be made to the detriment of the University. Why else would you have entire net anti-plagiarist policing firms offering their services to universities to guard against copy and paste term papers? Oh you're right. But colleges have one very powerful thing going for them - the use of relative scoring, which serves as the ultimate leveling tool. Basically, there is no 'set' score that you need to get admitted to a college - you win admission by basically beating out the other candidates.So if all candidates happen to all improve due to PrincetonReview SAT prep courses or whatever, it doesn't really threaten the integrity of the program because colleges are still going to take the top candidates, whatever the term top happens to mean at that time. The use of relative scoring provides inherent stability to the integrity of the program. I believe that the CCIE should use something similar. But I digress... 2. Any such argument that attempts to emphasize the value of college education at the expense of the certification tracks offered by MS, Cisco, or anyone else is doomed to be subjected to equally potent counter-arguments. The sad fact is that the Internet itself, ironically, has opened the door to billions of pages of information (thus, the info highway), a good portion of which will have its various corrupting effects. Any insistence on the superiority of one program over the other due to some integrity benchmark will only yield endless
RE: number of CCIE [7:70151]
Dude, with all due respect, are you a recruiter for some college somwhere? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of n rf Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 9:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: number of CCIE [7:70151] Sigh. I knew this was going to happen. Gentlemen, this is why I posted such a long response, because I wanted you all to be honest with yourselves. I could have just said what I had to say straight-up, without any explanation, but I felt (and obviously with a lot of justification) that I needed to do a lot of explaining. Just ask yourself the question - if you had a high-number, would you want to trade it for a lower number? You know in your heart what you want, even if you don't want to admit it on this board. Answer the question and be perfectly honest with yourself. Somebody asked whether employers are asking for lower numbers. You're damn right they are. Several recruiters, headhunters, and HR people have stated that they give preference lower-number CCIE's. In fact, you may have seen this several times on the groupstudy.jobs ng. Yet I have never ever seen a recruiter saying that he gives preference a higher-number CCIE. Why is that? Why is it only one-way? I tend not to believe in coincidences - when there's smoke, there's probably fire. Somebody also asked what number CCIE I am. Well, what exactly does that have to do with anything? Because I may or may not be a low-number CCIE, that somehow affects the truth of my arguments? Either they're true or they're not. Who I am has nothing to do with it. Why the ad-hominem attacks? Why can't people debate things simply on the merits of the argument, rather than calling into question people's motives? Hell, if you want to go down the road of ad-hominem attacks, I could just as easily say that all my detractors are or will be high-number CCIE's and so therefore all their arguments should be ignored because their motives are also questionable. But I don't do that. And when did I ever compare networking to a software company? Seems like a complete non-sequitur to me. About me 'devaluing' networking - how could I really doing that? Are you saying it's my fault that networking is devalued? Seriously. I am only 1 person. How could 1 person acting alone devalue networking in any measurable way? If I really had the power to manipulate entire markets like that, I'd be a multimillionaire and I certainly wouldn't be hanging out here on this ng. I think the real fear that people have is that I am not alone - that I really am telling the truth. If networking has been devalued, it is because the free market has decided that it should be devalued, and what is the free market but many individual entities all acting in their own self-interest? Therefore if networking has been devalued, it is because many people have decided that it be so. Not just me alone. About the cpa argument - I would argue that whenever the cpa test happened to be more difficult, then it would be more prestigious. Whenever anything is more difficult, it becomes more prestigious. Is that particularly shocking? Why is a degree from MIT more prestigious than a degree from Podunk Community College? Simple - graduating from MIT is harder than graduating from PCC. I even stated that if the CCIE all of a sudden got very very difficult starting today, then anybody who passed starting today would earn more prestige. Simply put - prestige follows rigor. And Chuck, you said it yourself - True, there are more cheaters out there, and more practice labs, and the like... - and those kinds of things are exactly what I'm talking about. Bottom line - the CCIE is not as hard to attain today as it was in the past, whether because of cheating or more practice materials, or whatever. You also said that the test is just as difficult today as it was in the past. But it's not just the test that I'm talking about, but rather the entire CCIE procedure that I'm talking about. The tests themselves may be of equivalent difficulty, but if there are more bootcamps and whatnot today, then ultimately that means that the CCIE procedure of today is easier. Sure test A and test B might be equal in difficulty, but if people are more bootcamp-ed to take test B, then ultimately passing test B is easier. Again, I don't think bootcamps are necessarily wrong, but it does mean that if you want to maintain the same level of difficulty, you have to compensate for the bootcamps by making test B even harder than test A. Otherwise, you end up with a situation where people who passed test A were good, but people who passed test B may not be quite as good, but had the benefit of bootcamps. Or let me put it to you another way. Surely you would agree that companies like Princeton Review and Kaplan make the SAT's easier. The SAT's fight back by using relative scoring - where your scores are calculated not absolutely, but relative to
RE: problem...using 2 2509 in my LAB [7:70188]
ctrl-shift-6, ctrl-shift-6, x Type one ctrl-shift-6 for each link in your chain of telnets, then the final x. Iwan Hoogendoorn wrote: I want to set up my own LAB so that i can remotely log in. i have 2 2509 and i want to connect 10 routers and 2 switches If i want to login remotely i only can connect to one of te 2509(2509#1) so ive connected a cable from the 2509#1 port 8 to the console port of the other 2509#2 and on the 2509#2 i have 2 2503's connected if i connect from remote to the i first telnet to the 2509#1 router. What i am going to do now do a reverse telnet to the second router 2509#2. Now i am on that router(2509#2) ans i am going to do a reverse telnet to on of the 2 2503's. Thats all still working fine...when i type Crtl-Shift-6-x i want to de 1 step back (to the 2509#)but is i do that it is going directly back to the first 2509#1. What can i do There is one possible option by using the terminal escape-character command... But i dont know how or what... Can someone give me a sugestion? Thank You, This is my list with routers: 2x 2501 2x 2502 2x 2503 2x 2509 1x 4500 1x 3630 1x 3524 1x 2924 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=70190t=70188 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: problem...using 2 2509 in my LAB [7:70188]
No, you type x, not a number. This sounds more confusing than it is. I will try to be more clear. You have PC--2509#1--2509#2--Router You telnet from PC to 2509#1, then telnet again to 2509#2, then again to Router. You are now at CLI of Router. If you type ctrl-shift-6, x you will end up at CLI of 2509#1. If you type ctrl-shift-6, ctrl-shift-6, x you will end up at CLI of 2509#2. The process is the same for reverse telnet or regular telnet. In practice, you can just hold down ctrl-shift, tap 6 twice, then release ctrl-shift and type x. If you do this a lot you will probably find it convenient to program a shortcut key to ctrl-shift-6, ctrl-shift-6, x if your emulator has that functionality. Or you can use a keyboard macro program. Iwan Hoogendoorn wrote: so i need to type a NUMBER (of the connected line)in stead of the X? Thank You Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=70196t=70188 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
religious wars [7:70274]
Old timers will remember Mac vs DOS/Windows. Or UNIX vs DOS. Or Beta vs VHS. More recent is Linux vs FreeBSD, or one flavor of Linux distribution vs another. (See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990301 for example. By the way, if you are not familiar with www.userfriendly.org, you gotta check it out. Funniest geek-oriented comic strip this side of dilbert) Anyway, try asking network types what their favorite TFTP server is... then step back! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=70274t=70274 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Prolonged Batchlers Vs. CCNP ? [7:69483]
that bounced, that violated Federal notification laws regarding layoffs, that bought goods from suppliers and then welshed on payment, and in short suffered from chronic cases of the very lack of professionalism that you claim they should be immune to. Coincidence? I don't think so. The bigger, degree-oriented companies may be stodgy, but hey, at least if they hire you, you can pretty much rest assured that you're actually going to get paid, something that seemed to be rather hit-or-miss with the dotcoms. Professionalism, I ask you? [JN] Experienced management especially in medium to large operations is not ever something that I have argued against. Yet the fact remains that Apple, MS, etc, many companies were founded by drop-outs. Every argument, or rather, every generalization will yield a double-edge and can easily refute itself. Therefore, I stand by my thesis that every individual should be judged and hired according to the given situation. The alternative that seems to be increasingly dominating the market is that of having iron rules of requirements of degrees even for petty IT positions. This is a stupid trend that prevents the hiring of many, many qualified people. [NRF] And even if you want to restrict the discussion just to the technical arena, once again, I believe the dangers of being too cert-oriented are far greater than the dangers of being too degree-oriented. Again, far too many networks [JN] I don't agree or disagree. Apparently you have not read all the way through my example of an efficient hiring process. [NRF] were built out in the late 90's by certified but degree-less people, and these network buildouts were performed without so much as a nod to economic efficiency and/or business practicality. Again, take a look at all the new-age service-providers who are now in bankruptcy court because they built out huge networks that hadn't a prayer of making back a reasonable return-on-capital. [JN] This is yet again another generalization that I can easily refute using personal examples. Another one: I was hired by a large insurance firm whose technical leads and CIO were Ivy League graduates (whose network was designed and built by those Ivy Leaguers), but, even in those days of my lack of experiences, I would catch numerous errors in design. I had no knowledge of Cisco or Cabletron equipment, but I could easily tell that their network was flawed from the ground up. I later found that the same company filed bankruptcy and laid off the entire IT top management and replaced them with individuals who were of equal rank to mine! [NRF] Finally, I would take issue with some of your specific beefs about degrees. I see that you say that colleges teach you outdated or irrelevant information. But that's really neither here nor there. The point of college is not to teach you cutting-edge information, but rather to provide you with a foundation base of knowledge from which you can learn specific [JN] Dear friend, the entire point is that my competitor was obviously not in possession of those so-called soft skills, and, due to his outdated education, neither did he have the required hard skills of the day. He had perhaps also forgotten his soft skill curriculum. Perhaps his project management skills were also outdated, or perhaps he merely lacked integrity as an individual. Whatever the case was, the overemphasis of his BS degree in the clients eyes caused for a big hole on the client's pocket. [NRF] things more quickly. You go to college not to use what you actually learned, but to improve your entire thinking process. Carly Fiorina [JN] And, I fully agree with you. Yes, education should be to expand, not glorify one's self or merely to ensure the fulfillment of requirements, but I assure you, this is not always the case. [NRF] graduated with a B.A. in medieval history from Stanford. What the heck does knowing about the Magna Carta have anything to do with managing a business? [JN] Ah, but the Magna Carta is a great rudimentary document for personnel and resources management!---:) [NRF] That's not the point. Jack Welch had a PhD in chemical engineering from Illinois - what does knowing about thermodynamics have anything to do with running a conglomerate like GE? Again, not the point. In fact, there are precious few instances of people graduating from college and then actually using in their job precisely what they learned in an actual class. Again, that's not the point. The point of college is not to learn actual specific things that you might use in your job, but to develop lifelong skills like time-management, discipline, mental acuity, emotional maturity, and the like. [JN] You can do that by raising a family, by maintaining a client base, by having professional integrity in general, by having a touch of perfectionism, of professional pride. A degree can fade, and many degrees have in fact faded from people's minds. Those who succeed have INDIVIDUAL qualities
RE: Prolonged Batchlers Vs. CCNP ? [7:69483]
I still seem to be unable to get across the central point. It does not matter what is more potent or more reliable than the other. The point is that neither should be either undervalued or overvalued by way of unfair propaganda and preconceptions. I have experienced that a college degree holder can also be as incompetent and moronic as a non-holder, but I DO NOT go on a crusade to ridicule college education. Nor do I discourage someone from EARNING a degree, and, in fact, I completely agree with the idea that a bachelors degree should be EARNED when it is most opportune: early in life when not bogged down by life's responsbilities. I also, on the same exact and precise token, do not discourage people to EARN a certification from the vendor relevant to their current position to update their knowledge. I happen to have gained much from Cisco's program as well as MS's due to my particular area of work: Indepedent constultant. I don't have to prove that I have Harvard business knowledge when the reality that I deal with dictates that I understand NETWORKING principles. It is a simple idea, and it is crucial to the welfare of each company: Judge each individual by their own merit as much as the situation allows and as the situation requires. I know companies who do this, and they are run most efficiently. Other who do not follow such principles always suffer from disgruntled employees. As to some of the points you outline (sorry I cannot get to all your points or if I have missed any): 1. Cisco's (and Microsoft's for that matter) example of who's on the Board of Directors or in management in general is irrelevant to the discussion except for the fact that they are managers, specifically managers. Those on the board or in management have proven themselves to be managers, while the CCIE's are proven technicians, network engineers. There is no Vendor cert for management. We are, yet again, devaluing something, an orange per se, by putting it in an apple contest. Irrelevant! 2. I again, restate, restate and restate again that I DO NOT discourage, nor do I wish to unfairly discredit, discount, ridicule, nor dismiss the value of a REAL college education. I am a college graduate as well, albeit in the music field, but I see the need for vendor certs (the programs themselves, not as much the title). Specialization in technical areas has to be achieved and measured in some formal manner, specially in a complex field like networking. This is precisely the reason why I find it strange that a certification program is under attach with such propaganda. If you EARN a cert, truly, you will learn a lot. There is essentially little difference in result per effort invested. 3. I do not have lofty ideals from which I fly into bouts of fantasy. I tell reality the way I have seen it, and I can assure you that vendor certs are valued by a good number of people for what they are. College degrees have been overrated by a great many companies who hire people for technical positions, and these same companies, again, are the ones that suffer the most from lack of professionalism in their ranks. For positions of upper management (or even middle management), I have no argument either way, as it is totally out of bounds of this discussion. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 2:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Prolonged Batchlers Vs. CCNP ? [7:69483] Jack, I would submit the following 2 points: First off, the fact is, college is on the whole proven to be a significantly more useful indicator of success than any cert. Think of Cisco itself. You would think that if any company knew the value of the CCIE program, it would be Cisco itself. Yet of the executive management in Cisco, how many CCIE's do you find? I believe the answer is zero. Now how many of them are college graduates? Exactly. Case closed. If you don't believe, it, see for yourself: http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/tln/exec_team/ Now ask yourself why is that? If certification was really so powerful than why doesn't Chambers just fire all his executive management and replace them with all CCIE's? Are you saying Chambers is being deliberately stupid in who he chooses to manage his company? If the college degree was really so useless, then why exactly do all of Cisco's top brass seem to have one? The same is true for every other large company. Bill Gates is perhaps the most famous and successful college dropouts in the world. You would think that if anybody would know the shortcomings of the degree, it would be him. Yet, every one of their Microsoft's top management positions is filled with degree'd people (if you don't believe it, look it up yourself - http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/default.asp), and usually from the most prestigious schools in the world. Is this a coincidence? Why doesn't Gates just fire all his managers and replace them with dropouts
RE: Prolonged Batchlers Vs. CCNP ? [7:69483]
John, And I promised myself I wouldn't get drawn into the perennial debate, but here it goes. Perhaps I am not getting my principal point across, but I do not wish to devalue or overrate any piece of paper. The fact is that you cannot rate a person based on some benchmark, unless you are a (del monte fruit) processing unit like a large Fortune Company 500 HR shop. The idea is that of being fair, on judging matters and people on a case by case basis, and not treat them like chiquita bananas for the packing. As an independent consultant working on term contracts, I have been turned down offers due to the competitor having the degree, (CS degree) but I have been called back to clean my competitor's trash of a job. One had a CS degree specializing in mainframe analysis, but apparently he had no idea how to do an upgrade on a Windows domain; and the customers paid for it twice. With due respect to those who genuinely eanred their degrees (as well as those who genuinely earned their certs), the holder of the degree can also be - as is a good percentage of the time - someone who failed calculus 5 times, took between 3-4 years to earn his AA (going full time), stumbled through chem with a d- in his junior year, got through the basic requirements by only fullfilling the most basic requirements, jumbled through class in a disorganized and semi-conscious state, skipped the majority of lectures, paid for most of his english and sociology term papers, and then earned his degree. He then was dumped into a company only to be discovered to be the moron that he is. I had a coworker that fit precisely this profile. He went further and got himself an MCSE, and his study method was that of going to the test at the minimum required increments between failures, repeatedly. In other words, he took the workstation 4.0 test 6 times until he remembered all the questions. He then skimmed by and got 10 points higher than the minimum, and VOILA!, a certified degree holder, the ideal package with the soft and hard skills blah blah. College apparently did not give him the soft skills that you mention! Should we go ahead and propagate myths on good ole' frat boys or sorority chicks who got the degree through thrashing the system? Hey, there are papers BSs as well, load of them, pushing paper, badly, all over the labor market. Lynch 'em! Moreover, a degree and the knowledge it gives gets OUTDATED as the market shifts (as was the case with the competing consultant above), and thus the supplement - if one must measure the person with a piece of paper or lapel pin, can only be the vendor cert. Some of the smarter recruiters and HR people that I have dealt with were FULLY aware and alert about this. They were SPECIFICALLY looking for those who had updated their vendor certs, but they mistrusted that criterion enough to throw in a hefty tech interview as well. I thank God at this point that I have the energy to avoid the two-dimensional sorts of HR departments and work independently. The hypocrisy involved, the lack of professional integrity one has to deal with when working in a half-wit HR screened department causes for too many brain cells to slough off. Aging should be a natural and timely process. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John A. Kilpatrick Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Prolonged Batchlers Vs. CCNP ? [7:69483] On 5/24/03 6:53 PM, in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jack Nalbandian wrote: My opinion on the matter remains the same: a bachelors is functionally overrated by the typical manager. It depends on what you think the degree says. It doesn't say I know the Cisco CLI like the back of my hand. But to me it does say that the person knows how to follow things through, has to have some fundamental planning and time management skills, and knows how to approach problems in a creative way. The majority of certifications out there don't really focus on problem solving - and I don't mean just troubleshooting. I remember a friend of mine who was reading the Cisco BGP book and asked me about the BGP FSM. He could figure it out, but had never seen a FSM or digraph before. It's a small example, but I had a couple of classes that went in to graphing theory and wow, it was used in real life. The CCNP or other forms of certification ARE known to the IT managers from my experience, but the reason that they are waning in influence is precisely due to the paper whatever myth that is being perpetuated, by of all people, techies! All myths have a foundation in reality. There are PLENTY of paper CCNPs and MCSEs. The CCNA is pretty much an all paper certification. I've met a bunch of them. A 1 or 2 week academy and then a few tests isn't the same thing as 4 years of study. To me if I was choosing between someone with just a cert and just a BS, same experience, then I'd pick the BS. The point is that you do
RE: Prolonged Batchlers Vs. CCNP ? [7:69483]
John, And I promised myself I wouldn't get drawn into the perennial debate, but here it goes. Perhaps I am not getting my principal point across, but I do not wish to devalue or overrate any piece of paper. The fact is that you cannot rate a person based on some benchmark, unless you are a (del monte fruit) processing unit like a large Fortune Company 500 HR shop. The idea is that of being fair, on judging matters and people on a case by case basis, and not treat them like chiquita bananas for the packing. As an independent consultant working on term contracts, I have been turned down offers due to the competitor having the degree, (CS degree) but I have been called back to clean my competitor's trash of a job. One had a CS degree specializing in mainframe analysis, but apparently he had no idea how to do an upgrade on a Windows domain; and the customers paid for it twice. With due respect to those who genuinely eanred their degrees (as well as those who genuinely earned their certs), the holder of the degree can also be - as is a good percentage of the time - someone who failed calculus 5 times, took between 3-4 years to earn his AA (going full time), stumbled through chem with a d- in his junior year, got through the basic requirements by only fullfilling the most basic requirements, jumbled through class in a disorganized and semi-conscious state, skipped the majority of lectures, paid for most of his english and sociology term papers, and then earned his degree. He then was dumped into a company only to be discovered to be the moron that he is. I had a coworker that fit precisely this profile. He went further and got himself an MCSE, and his study method was that of going to the test at the minimum required increments between failures, repeatedly. In other words, he took the workstation 4.0 test 6 times until he remembered all the questions. He then skimmed by and got 10 points higher than the minimum, and VOILA!, a certified degree holder, the ideal package with the soft and hard skills blah blah. College apparently did not give him the soft skills that you mention! Should we go ahead and propagate myths on good ole' frat boys or sorority chicks who got the degree through thrashing the system? Hey, there are papers BSs as well, load of them, pushing paper, badly, all over the labor market. Lynch 'em! Moreover, a degree and the knowledge it gives gets OUTDATED as the market shifts (as was the case with the competing consultant above), and thus the supplement - if one must measure the person with a piece of paper or lapel pin, can only be the vendor cert. Some of the smarter recruiters and HR people that I have dealt with were FULLY aware and alert about this. They were SPECIFICALLY looking for those who had updated their vendor certs, but they mistrusted that criterion enough to throw in a hefty tech interview as well. I thank God at this point that I have the energy to avoid the two-dimensional sorts of HR departments and work independently. The hypocrisy involved, the lack of professional integrity one has to deal with when working in a half-wit HR screened department causes for too many brain cells to slough off. Aging should be a natural and timely process. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John A. Kilpatrick Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Prolonged Batchlers Vs. CCNP ? [7:69483] On 5/24/03 6:53 PM, in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jack Nalbandian wrote: My opinion on the matter remains the same: a bachelors is functionally overrated by the typical manager. It depends on what you think the degree says. It doesn't say I know the Cisco CLI like the back of my hand. But to me it does say that the person knows how to follow things through, has to have some fundamental planning and time management skills, and knows how to approach problems in a creative way. The majority of certifications out there don't really focus on problem solving - and I don't mean just troubleshooting. I remember a friend of mine who was reading the Cisco BGP book and asked me about the BGP FSM. He could figure it out, but had never seen a FSM or digraph before. It's a small example, but I had a couple of classes that went in to graphing theory and wow, it was used in real life. The CCNP or other forms of certification ARE known to the IT managers from my experience, but the reason that they are waning in influence is precisely due to the paper whatever myth that is being perpetuated, by of all people, techies! All myths have a foundation in reality. There are PLENTY of paper CCNPs and MCSEs. The CCNA is pretty much an all paper certification. I've met a bunch of them. A 1 or 2 week academy and then a few tests isn't the same thing as 4 years of study. To me if I was choosing between someone with just a cert and just a BS, same experience, then I'd pick the BS. The point is that you do
Re: new ccnp exams [7:69621]
I have been to the above links, but i m still not satisfied with the
replies. I am preparing for the routing exam, in the last release it was
titled as building scalable cisco internetworks. The objectives of these
exams are identical. so whats new in here the exam numbers. The only
difference i can spot is the new exam numbers!!!
Thanks for all the repliesNikolay Abromov wrote:
i'm not sure, i compare the indexes witch is on ciscopress site
with objectives from cisco.com and i think there is evrything
what you can need.
about supplements, yes i use additional materials from my
archive
i have CBT simulators and training software and ofcourse lab for
testing.
that's for BSCI
http://www.ciscopress.com/isapi/product_id~{867573A8-E521-495D-B4EC-E5729B663071}/selectDescTypeId~{236B6D55-AB77-451A-92CA-F73B80E75B27}/st~{5A64A969-247A-47E1-8200-E6CA04EEDDA1}/session_id~{AA30C72E-D216-4FB2-B76B-CDF7F07DE0C1}/content/images/1587050846/index/1587050846Index.pdf
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RE: want to know???? [7:69695]
Hi vijay Can u plz tell me abt ur background. I am asking this because, I think CCIE exam requires an extensive amount of practical experience rather thatn classroom knowledge. I am preparing for CCNP and do not like to pay higher classroom pricess. It is better to purchase the equipment than paying for classes. Can u also send me the list of equipment u bought to prepare for CCIE. Are u studying alone or have a study group. Thanks Masood Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=69700t=69695 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
new ccnp exams [7:69621]
Hi All What's so different in the new exams in the CCNP series than the last ones? Does it cover different topics or have cisco ammended the objectives by adding new topics in the exams? Can I use same books to study for this exam? The only change would be in testing the practical knowledge. For example, there woould be a simulattoin of condfiguring OSPF, BGP, EIGRP using a gui interface. I am just concerned do I have to buy new books !! plz help Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=69621t=69621 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: pcmcia flash memory card for 2501 [7:63741]
Certain models of 2501 have a PCMCIA slot inside the case. I have never tried to use it, though, and I do not know what it's for. I have always assumed that it was just a holdover from some older implementation and Cisco just kept using those boards until the supplies ran out. But I don't know that for sure. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=63756t=63741 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ICMP [7:61004]
Hmm...that suggests that a VLSM-aware redirect would be useful. Send the mask along with the network address in other words. Does such a thing exist, or has it ever been proposed? Answer: The host can't know about subnet masks being used elsewhere. Also, with classless addressing, it can't assume a Class A mask for network 10.0.0.0. The host can't know for sure that ALL of 10.0.0.0/8 is reachable by the router that claims that it is. With variable-length subnet masking, classless addressing, discontiguous subnets and all the other things people do to their network designs, the safest thing for the host to do is to place a host-specific route into its table. Just thought I'd turn this into a more advanced lesson. :-) ___ Priscilla Oppenheimer www.troubleshootingnetworks.com www.priscilla.com Thanks in advance. -DJ - With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=61052t=61004 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Vs. BS or MS degree [7:59481]
Deep Thoughts from Jack Handy. I I personally enjoy posts by nrf! Someone that has a sense of humor, its a good thing. Thank you and God bless, Jack Handy From: nrf Reply-To: nrf To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Vs. BS or MS degree [7:59481] Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 03:20:52 GMT Marc Thach Xuan Ky wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Thomas Larus wrote: snip As for nrf, - his contributions to groupstudy have been almost entirely negative. While it is helpful to have some discussion of things like the job market and the question of whether it is better to invest time and effort in a degree versus certification is useful, constantly chiming in with negative thoughts and assessments is not very helpful. This is something of a support group, and in these difficult times, those of us who have already set out to achieve certification goals need encouragement and technical advice. I have recently strongly disagreed with nrf, but I do not find him negative as you suggest. I think it's a shame if people cannot contribute without being personally attacked in such a generalised manner. I do not know if nrf is one of these people (he could just be negative for no particular reason), there are some people who come to these discussion groups to discourage others from pursuing dreams the achievement of which might bring about a greater number of certified IT professionals and perhaps exert downward pressure on salaries. I don't know nrf personally but I doubt that he's that influential. Anybody who gets put off the cert process by reading a discouraging viewpoint on this list probably doesn't have the mettle to see it through anyway. Exactly. I think Mr. Larus gives me far too much credit. Besides, I doubt that I'm saying anything that people don't already know, or at least suspect. Certs have their good and bad points, and people who elect to pursue them should understand what those good and bad points are. It's really as simple as that. rgds Marc _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=60283t=59481 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481]
Deep thoughts from Jack Handy I kind of agree with you that they need decent networking courses at the undergrad level. I don't want to go into my whole reason for going for my bachelor's, but I got my CCNP less than a year ago, and decided I would rather get a bachelor's in comp sci then continue to pursue the CCIE. A degree is so much more flexible. I would advise most people to go for a degree, then you can get the CCIE later( who knows it could be called something else or it could be abolished altogether). The degree will always be with you. Plus, you broaden your scope and you will appreciate all aspects of computers. You might even like programming and then you can be the guy/girl that writes the code for the newest routers. Jack Handy From: Andrew Dorsett Reply-To: Andrew Dorsett To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481] Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 20:25:31 GMT On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, The Long and Winding Road wrote:Howard C. Berkowitz wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...At 3:57 PM + 1/1/03, Peter van Oene wrote: I would just like to reiterate that the graduate degree (master's or PhD)provides you a whole lot more flexibility than the CCIE ever can. With a graduate degree, you can branch out far and beyond network engineering. Ok, I've been following this thread for a while now. I'm a student currently working on my BS in Computer Engineering and I'll only be on my soap box for a few minutes here. Colleges used to be on the bleeding edge of technology and now they aren't anymore. I'm a network security engineer by practice and I'm having to study programmming and electronic design. Granted this is good and important, because I must understand how the technology works but while I'm learning the 1970s art of electronic design I'm missing out on the latest in network design. Currently colleges are in the mindset that you must be a grad student to even attempt networking and that is killing me. Look at how many universities offer MS and PhD programs in Network Engineering, but find one popular university that offers the same program to undergrads. I walked into a research lab full of grad students that were using out-dated Cisco and Bay equipment to study for their CCNA. They were amazed to find out I got mine while still in High-School almost 3 years ago (Yes I'm due for recert in May). The universities need to work on building programs in networking and computer security at the level of Computer Science and Computer Engineering. Sure you can argue Networking is a subset of both programs and thus a specialization that must be obtained after your BS. However, if thats the logic then therefore a Landscape Architecture student must first major in General Architecture and then work on their MS in Landscape Design. Which is not the case. Another problem is that there are absolutely ZERO Network Security or Computer Security courses at the undergrad level in my school (Virginia Tech). So we are letting all these programmers out the door without ever teaching them buffer overflows, or other security issues. And we wonder why every system built has security flaws out the wazoo. Now I've tried to take classes above my degree program and have been refused admission in all cases and that is so fustrating. Because for me the only way to stay up on technology is to do research on my own for no school credit, or to take a job in the world and forget about school. Colleges are running the shop like a bakery, if you don't fit the cookie cutter you are either thrown away or smashed back into the dough with the rest of the ginger-bread men. I have found one answerTutoring, I've started tutoring MS students in Network Applications and hopefully next semester I'll start with some Network Security tutoring. But that only provides person rewards and I'm still paying the same $20K/year to learn stuff I picked up in High-School in three years of Electronics and 4 years of Programming Design. And now with budget cuts its getting worse and they are scratching classes right and left. *Steps down off the soap box* Andrew --- http://www.andrewsworld.net/ ICQ: 2895251 Cisco Certified Network Associate Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make all of them yourself. misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=60075t=59481 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: NP-2C ??? [7:59603]
Look like the ATM Network Processor Module With E3/DS-3 PLIM see: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/access/acs_mod/cis4000/4000cn/1000npm.htm#21021 Pretty good deal on this I'd say. Did you buy it? Has anyone else noticed the eBay router prices have fallen significantly lately? Good news for those of us trying to build labs on the cheap. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Nemeth) wrote: There was an auction on eBay recently for a Cisco 4700 with NP-2E and NP-2C. The picture shows a card with two coax connectors. I've never heard of an NP-2C before and it wasn't listed in the Quick Reference Guide that I looked in. Does anybody know what it is? I'm guessing that it might be a DS3 interface. The auction number is 2081362264. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=59617t=59603 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481]
I suppose a CCIE is sort of a Ph.D. of networking. Studying for and taking the written is the equivalent of coursework, then doing hands-on to prepare for the lab is like research for your dissertation, the the lab test represents the oral exam. But I wouldn't stretch the analogy too far. For one thing the quality and difficulty of computer science graduate schools varies greatly. Just getting into one of the top programs is probably harder than CCIE. And for another the two programs don't really test the same skills, do they? (Though they surely overlap) Mic shoeps wrote: Hello I've been arguing with a collegue of mine which one would be tougher to achieve. I told him that it would be much more harder to have a computer science or a networking degree (you have to take the GRE and complete 2 or 3 years of school works) than a CCIE, but my collegue think other wise. He literally believes that having a CCIE is equivalent of having a Ph.d in Networking. I'd like to hear your thought. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=59483t=59481 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
how to set extended range vlans (vlan number 1024) on [7:58600]
the following is configuration of my cat6509: --- --- --- --- --- 1 2WS-X6K-SUP2-2GE SAD053202VH Hw : 2.2 Fw : 6.1(3) Fw1: 6.1(3) Sw : 6.3(3)X Sw1: 6.3(3)X WS-F6K-PFC2 SAD053301PG Hw : 2.0 2 2WS-X6K-SUP2-2GE SAD053302C4 Hw : 2.2 Fw : 6.1(3) Fw1: 6.1(3) Sw : 6.3(3)X Sw1: 6.3(3)X WS-F6K-PFC2 SAD0532034X Hw : 1.4 3 8WS-X6408A-GBIC SAL05309JZU Hw : 2.0 Fw : 5.4(2) Sw : 6.3(3)X 4 8WS-X6408A-GBIC SAL05309K0T Hw : 2.0 Fw : 5.4(2) Sw : 6.3(3)X 5 48 WS-X6348-RJ-45 SAL0533ALLL Hw : 5.0 Fw : 5.4(2) Sw : 6.3(3)X 6 8WS-X6408A-GBIC SAL06261Y3G Hw : 2.1 Fw : 5.4(2) Sw : 6.3(3)X 15 1WS-F6K-MSFC2SAD053201MX Hw : 1.2 Fw : 12.1(8a)E2 Sw : 12.1(8a)E2 16 1WS-F6K-MSFC2SAD0532049U Hw : 1.2 Fw : 12.1(8a)E2 Sw : 12.1(8a)E2 And i found in cisco document that 6509 can support vlan range between 1 and 4094. but when i setup a new vlan as the following ,some mistake happened. 6509 (enable) set vlan 2000 VTP advertisements transmitting temporarily stopped, and will resume after the command finishes. Cannot set vlans in extended range. Reduced Mac Address feature is disabled in NVRAM. can anyone tell me the reason? thanks in advance. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=58600t=58600 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cat 6 upgrade [7:57551]
On my IOS 6509 the flash card is disk0 not slot0. MADMAN wrote: What are you typing? Native6506#dir bootflash: Directory of bootflash:/ 1 -rw- 7110024 Mar 29 2002 12:48:52 c6msfc2-js-mz.121-4.E1 2 -rw- 1611604 Mar 29 2002 12:49:42 c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-4.E1 3 -rw- 528259 Mar 28 2002 07:19:26 DRACO2_RM2.srec.121-4r.E shows the bootflash of the MSFC or RP in this case. a dir slot0: will show the contents of the PCMCIA card in the SUP module: Native6506#dir slot0: Directory of slot0:/ 1 -rw-14780268 Oct 14 2002 10:36:19 c6sup12-js-mz.121-13.E.bin Dave Patrick Donlon wrote: Hi I'm upgrading a CAT6 from OS to IOS but I can't see my flash card in the route processor. I have another switch on CatOS and I can't see the flash either, any tips??? Cheers Pat -- David Madland CCIE# 2016 Sr. Network Engineer Qwest Communications 612-664-3367 You don't make the poor richer by making the rich poorer. --Winston Churchill Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=57625t=57551 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cat 6 upgrade [7:57551]
Didn't you like my disk0 idea? :-) xxx6509#dir disk0: Directory of disk0:/ 1 -rw- 13201 Sep 18 2002 18:42:48 6509_20020918.cfg 2 -rw-20775248 Sep 18 2002 18:51:00 c6sup22-po3sv-mz.121-11b.E4.bin If your Flash card is an ATA, you won't see it with CatOS and it's disk0 with IOS. Check out: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps708/prod_configuration_guide09186a008007d312.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=57627t=57551 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: If you were gonna' build a dream CCIE lab... [7:55266]
As long as we're dreaming...how about adding a big whiteboard with Caslow or Pavlichenko stationed in front? :-) Thomas Larus wrote: Dream lab 2 3640s with 2 FE, 2 t1 serial ints, and ATM 155 (or 2621 with two wic-1ts, if ATM cannot be part of this dream) 3 2610s with two t1 serial 3 2611s with 2 t1 serial 2 2501s (to be used as backbone routers in scenarios like Ipexpert's) 1 2523 or 2522 as frame switch and third backbone router to connect to Voice equipment -- 2X NM-1V and 2X VIC-2FXS to move about among the 2600s or 2640s as needed 1 LS 1010 1 ISDN Simulator 2 3550s EMI Okay, it's not realistic, but he did say dream lab. Just be glad I didn't make them all 3662s. Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014 Colin Weaver wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi All, I'm looking for opinions on what you would do (buy) if you could build your own dream CCIE home lab. What equipment would you get (Routing Switching CCIE)? I'm getting some mixed information on what equipment is actually used on the CCIE lab scenarios. I've heard, for instance, that the Catalyst 5500 is being replaced with the 6500. Does anyone know where an up-to-date equipment list is? Thanks. -Colin P.S. - I'm still searching for ANY 5.x firmware for a Catalyst 1900. Help. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=55278t=55266 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Frame LMI [7:55120]
Any way I can get a more complete look at my Frame LMI than debug gives me? I would take the complete frame and manually decode it if I could figure out how to capure it. This is on a production router but it is lightly loaded so reasonable debugs are possible. If only I had a Sniffer... but I just have my trusty Cisco. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=55120t=55120 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
r/s study in tallahassee [7:54801]
I am looking for R/S Lab study partner(s) in Tallahassee or surrounding area. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=54801t=54801 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Laptop won't respond to pings [7:54715]
This is probably something simple, or maybe it's a Microsoft thing, but my W2K laptop won't respond to pings or tftp requests. I have a 2621 router and the laptop plugged into a 2950 switch, all in Vlan1, all extremely simple. From the laptop I can ping the switch and router and telnet to the switch and router. But if I ping the laptop from either, I can see the packets arrive at the laptop, but it doesn't respond. It also does not respond to a tftp request from the router. Any ideas? TIA Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=54715t=54715 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Laptop won't respond to pings [7:54715]
DOH! Okay, I will wear the dunce cap. I had forgotten about the Cisco VPN client I had installed. The concentrator I was testing had the same address as the router does now. I uninstalled the VPN and it's fine now. Excuse the wasted bandwidth :) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=54720t=54715 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 400M console woes [7:54114]
Thanks for your help. I have a bunch of different DB25 adapters but the one that I think is a real Cisco part has pin 2 yellow, pin 3 black, and pin 7 red and green. MADMAN wrote: Pull the DB25 of fof the router and tell me what color pins are in 2,3 and 7. If not yel, blk, red then it doesn't much matter what line cord your using. You can use either a roll over or straight thru what determines which will work is the pinout on the end connectors. Dave Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=54219t=54114 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 400M console woes [7:54114]
Okay, that's the standard DB9 adapter from a console kit. And the rollover cable, right? MADMAN wrote: That is it, now you need a matching DB9, I'm assuming, for your PC but the pinout will be 2,3 and 5. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=54237t=54114 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 400M console woes [7:54114]
Well, darn. If its not the cable then I don't know what to try. Guess it's a boat anchor. :-( Thanks for the help. MADMAN wrote: Yes. I just went back in the lab and connected up to a 4000 to verify what I've been spewing and it works. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=54249t=54114 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BGP [7:54262]
Not to belabor the obvious, but if you don't want to buy a book right now there's always good ole CCO. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/459/bgp-toc.html has lots of nuts and bolts and runs 71pp in pdf form. I think Halabi's original paper, the one he later expanded into his book, was once on CCO too. I don't know if it's still there, maybe Ciscopress made them take it down :) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=54272t=54262 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
400M console woes [7:54114]
I cannot get a response from the console port on my ebay as-is 4000M router. Per earlier thread and archives, I think I have the right cable--a straight through DB9-DB25 modem data cable. Some referred to rollover with db25 adapter, but I tried all the adapters in my spare part box to no avail. I'm not sure I have the right adapter because the 4000 console port is DB25 DCE (http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/701/14.html) but the only pinouts I see are for DB25 DTE. Anyway, I think the whole 4000 series has standard RS232 at the console port, so a regular cable should be okay. Also, I tried tera term and hyperterm, all speeds from 1200 to 9600. Visually, the router seems to power up fine and the console port does not have any obvious physical defect, but so far I have seen nothing from it. I am trying to locate a RS232 breakout box to see if ANYTHING is live on the port, but meanwhile any suggestions? Any way I can get in through the aux port? I have no idea what may or may not be in the config. I hope I have not bought a doorstop :-) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=54114t=54114 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
origin of split horizon? [7:53938]
Can anyone here tell me how the term split horizon came to be applied to routing protocols? Who first used the term and when? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=53938t=53938 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
4000 router console cable [7:53981]
I just acquired a 4000 router and can't get it to respond through the console port. As usual in this case, I suspect I have a cable problem. I thought I needed a straight through DB9-DB25 modem cable, but it doesn't seem to work. I want to make sure I have the right cable before I start chasing other possibilities. Is this in fact the right cable? I have searched the archives and looked at several CCO links without a clear answer (maybe I'm just not smart enough to understand what I'm reading :-)). What I'd really like is something ultra-simple, like db-25 pin2 to db-9 pin3 and so on. Can anyone point that out to me? TIA. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=53981t=53981 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How can I Fill out our unused bandwidth with dummy [7:53970]
You might try TCPspeed. I have used it in the past to verify CIR (at least approximately). http://maximized.com/freeware/tcpspeed/ shojaee wrote: Dear sirs, I'm a member of technical staff in an ISP site. We have cable connection to the internet with 512k bandwidth. I require to do the following: 1- Measure our maximum connection speed to internet. 2- Fill out our unused bandwidth with dummy traffic. How can i do these? thanks for your prompt attention. With best regards Hassan Shojaie Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=53982t=53970 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Static route admin distance [7:53282]
I agree that it is weird that so many respected sources have this wrong, especially since it is so easy to test. Thanks to all who replied, especially Priscilla and also Sasa Milic for pointing to an earlier discussion on this issue. Maybe this latest rehash will help get the word out, and our experts will revise their books!! :-) -Jack Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=53475t=53282 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need help with RIP config [7:51483]
Ronnie, I guess that is the puzzeling part of this. I took the default config, meaning I only added the router rip and network 172.16.0.0 commands. I never added a version or redistribute command. I ended up added version 2 and a redistribute connected command and that corrected my ping problem. Also, on Router2501A, I have no idea where the no auto-summary statement came from either. But, it is working now Thanks for your help and ideas. Jack Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=51500t=51483 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Need help with RIP config [7:51483]
Hopefully someone can help me with this problem. I have three routers: Router2501A: E0: 192.168.1.2/24 S0: 172.16.20.1/24 Router2502A TR: 172.16.30.2/24 (configured, but not up as I don't a T/R hub S0: 172.16.20.2/24 (DCE back to back connection to Router2501A, S0) S1: 172.16.40.1/24 (DCE back to back connection to Router2524A, S0) Router2524A E0: 192.168.2.1/24 S0: 172.16.40.2/24 Each route has RIP installed on network 172.16.0.0. Each route is running IOS 12.2(1d). From Router2502A, I can ping each end (192.168.1.2 and 192.168.2.1) sucessfully. From Router2501A, I can only get to 172.16.20.2, S0 on Router2502A. From Router2524A, I can only get to 172.16.20.2, S0 on Router2502A. A show protocol from each router shows each line up and each protocol running. From each router when I do a show ip route command, I see that from Router2501A, I only know about the two directly connected subnets. From Router2502A, I can see all routes. From Router2524A, I see all routes including 192.168.1.0, but I cannot ping past 172.16.20.2. I am sure this is something stupid, but I can't figure out the problem. Thanks for any help. Jack Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=51483t=51483 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Need help with RIP config [7:51483]
Thanks for the quick response. Here is the current setup: Router2501A: Router rip version 2 network 172.16.0.0 network 192.168.1.0 no auto-summary Router2502A: router rip redistribute connected network 172.16.0.0 Router2524A: router rip redistribute connected network 172.16.0.0 network 192.168.2.0 Any further ideas? Thanks, Jack Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=51485t=51483 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Solved.... [7:51483]
Well, Raj pointed me in the right direction. I added a version 2 statement to each of the routers that were missing it. What I can't understand is why one of them had the statement and the other two did not. The only configuration that I did in the router rip section was 1)router rip 2) network 172.168.0.0 Jack Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=51486t=51483 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: DRAM for 2500 series [7:50572]
Thanks for each of your responses. JackJack Lane wrote: I don't care about a SmartNet contract. Will a standard, fast-page with parity SIMM chip work with a 2500 series router? Am I asking for trouble if I don't get a for Cisco 2500 series ram? I found this chip for $6: 16 MB SIMM FAST PAGE with PARITY (4X36) 72 PIN Thanks, Jack Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=50627t=50572 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DRAM for 2500 series [7:50572]
I don't care about a SmartNet contract. Will a standard, fast-page with parity SIMM chip work with a 2500 series router? Am I asking for trouble if I don't get a for Cisco 2500 series ram? I found this chip for $6: 16 MB SIMM FAST PAGE with PARITY (4X36) 72 PIN Thanks, Jack Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=50572t=50572 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New lab format/Scenarios -what will they focus on? [7:47429]
Hi all, I am wondering what the new lab will focus on now that IGRP, Token Ring, Token Ring Switching and IPX will be dropped. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/whatsnew.html#18 I would guess BGP and OSPF will get a lift but since the 3550 is a QOS switch I assume QOS/Voice will be a major player. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Jack. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=47429t=47429 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New Site ideal for CCNA , CCNP and CCIE hands-on [7:42034]
If you are doing either ccna,ccnp,ccie , check this site out. They have router labs for hands-on. I have bought some and are ideal for hands-on practice. Affordable!!. site name is : www.officechoice.co.nz good luck. thanks _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=42034t=42034 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
which books and documents i should learn ? [7:34187]
i want to take ccie written examination ! who can make a plan of study for me ! and please list the books and documents i should read ! thanks very much ! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34187t=34187 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What is the passing score for the 640-504 exam [7:34226]
699! i passed it just yesterday ! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34246t=34226 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: whats the difference [7:21195]
My recommendation for a primary study source for CCIE written would be the Caslow book. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=21201t=21195 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 'It's not the US they want to destroy. It's our arrogance' [7:19825]
I have a hard time understanding that arrogance on the part of a nation deserves any punishment from another. Is not the punisher of arrogance even more arrogant?... shame on Reeta Sinha. How can you justify any violence in the light of arrogance?... certainly not mass murder of mothers, fathers and children. If Reeta thinks that America somehow deserves this tragedy or had it coming, then please, please go to some other country to live that is more agreeable to your conscience... leave us Americans to mourn our loss with reverance, because to have you here among us is a disgraceful abomination. signed: I withhold my name in case you want to drive a plane into my neighborhood because of MY arrogance. __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=19825t=19825 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FYI Check out the CCIE whats new page. [7:11128]
I don't quite know how reliable this can be as of yet. None of the CCIEs that I know of (that even some of our corporate partners have on staff) exist according to this tool. -Original Message- From: Chuck Larrieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 5:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FYI Check out the CCIE whats new page. [7:11128] I like the CCIE verification tool ( requires a CCO login to access ) I discovered that Bruce Caslow is not a CCIE, although Andrew Caslow is. You guys might want to check out Jeffrey Doyle. ;- Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 3:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FYI Check out the CCIE whats new page. [7:11128] Hi All There are a couple of new items on the whats new page of the CCO CCIE site. Interesting... http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/whatsnew.html -- John Hardman CCNP MCSE Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=11136t=11128 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: PASSED BCRAN! + BIG gripe [7:7794]
That's a BS (to the nth) Degree. Some managers require it! -Original Message- From: William Gragido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 9:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: PASSED BCRAN! + BIG gripe [7:7794] That reeks of BS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jayesh Patel Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 3:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PASSED BCRAN! + BIG gripe [7:7794] Hi Just for you info my brother passed his BCRAN 7 min with a score of 930. He passed his CIT in 5 mins at a score of 954 and Switching in 9 min a score of 870. Regards Jayesh Patel CNE,MCNE,MCP,MCP+Internet,MCSE,CCNA,CCDA,CCNP,CCDP,CCIE written,CCNP + Voice Access, CSE in Small Business,CSE in Enterprise Business and CSE for Voice Access Solutions. - Original Message - From: hal9001 To: Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 9:49 AM Subject: Re: PASSED BCRAN! + BIG gripe [7:7794] The Syngress Published book CCNP Remote Access Study Guide ISBN:007211908X has an excellent section (Ch2) on ALL of the relevant Cisco Router offerings. The IDG I find that its better, if you can afford it, to not stick with just one source but go to multiple sources not only to get a balanced view but also to find other information omitted by another publisher/author. The future gains always (hopefully) outweigh the present costs. After all, all these books are just an authors/publishers interpretation of the Exam Objectives. Its pot luck what questions you get in the exam so best to cover ALL the bases if you can. Karl - Original Message - From: Michael L. Williams To: Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 10:23 PM Subject: PASSED BCRAN! + BIG gripe [7:7794] Hello all.. Passed the BCRAN with an 898 today. not a bad exam. A couple of vague questions (or questions that seemed to have more than one correct answer but only one answer was asked for). Even took time to write some comments and finished in 35 minutes. One HUGE gripe: The Cisco Press book had a huge chapter on the Cisco 700. The Exam Cram Remote Access book had a pared down chapter on the 700 just highlighting the stuff you need to know for the exam (which was nice). I had maybe 2 or 3 questions about the 700 series. BOTH books had a single, small paragraph on the 1600 series tho saying it's for branch not SOHO and takes a WIC card. THAT'S IT! I went through all 4 quizzes in both of the Boson BCRAN exam 1 and 2 (over 400 questions) and I kept getting hammered with questions about the Cisco 1600 and what interfaces the different models had (something neither book had any details about). Lucky for me I tried to take note, instead of blowing it off, because I got as many if not more questions about Which model of 1600 has a 56K/ISDN/Serial port than I did about the Cisco 700. I have to say that I'm disappointed that there were so many questions about the 1600 series compared to the 700 series, yet the Cisco Press and Exam Cram book barely mentioned them I can't believe the Cisco Press book dedicated a very lengthy chapter to the 700 with so few questions on the exam while virtually ignoring the 1600! KUDOS TO BOSON for making practice exams that not only are a good simulation of the real exams but also covered material that exam creators didn't even include in their own study book (Cisco!). I owe my 898 to Boson for hammering me with 1600 questions and letting me get the info I needed for the real exam while I was practicing for it. Now on to Support for CCNP then CID for CCDP Woohoo! Thanks to everyone for the group.. seeing people in the group talking and passing exams motivates me to keep going! Mike W. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=10845t=7794 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Claim your Free 4-In-1 Super Pen, it's been paid for by... [7:10725]
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RE: POD, what is that? [7:10128]
The example company (are you referring to the Cisco Press BSCN book?) has a campus of multiple buildings, and each separate building (or dttached building to the main building) is referred to as a pod. -Original Message- From: Ole Drews Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: POD, what is that? [7:10128] This might seem like a stupid question, but sometimes having english as my 2nd language, makes it more difficult for me to understand what the writer is trying to tell me. I am in the middle of my BSCN book, and are now seeing the word POD showing up several times. It tells me that each POD has a number of routers, and there are a certain amount of POD's. Reading the explanation at http://www.dictionary.com gave me NO answers to this one, and the closest thing I can guess my self to is that POD's are kind of departments or subnets, unless the Prince Of Darkness has been involved with Cisco networks lately :-) Thanks for any replies to this one. Ole ~~~ Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ http://www.OleDrews.com/CCNP ~~~ NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job ~~~ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=10133t=10128 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: POD, what is that? [7:10128]
I know this might veer off topic: Maybe I am biased (and partly curious), mostly due to working at a company that actually did refer to its building sub-units as pods, and subsequently its network subnets (with a scheme pretty much dictated by the company campus' physical subdivisions) as pods, but does the Cisco HQ campus have multiple building pods as well? It is an actual term used in architecture. Has it perhaps slipped over into being part of Cisco's network terminology? Perhaps this preconception on my part had me thinking of the pods in the BSCN book in this manner. I did notice, perhaps I am wrong, but the individual pods in the Cisco book tend to have separate areas (in OSFP scenarios This might seem like a stupid question, but sometimes having english as my 2nd language, makes it more difficult for me to understand what the writer is trying to tell me. I am in the middle of my BSCN book, and are now seeing the word POD showing up several times. It tells me that each POD has a number of routers, and there are a certain amount of POD's. Reading the explanation at http://www.dictionary.com gave me NO answers to this one, and the closest thing I can guess my self to is that POD's are kind of departments or subnets, unless the Prince Of Darkness has been involved with Cisco networks lately :-) Thanks for any replies to this one. Ole ~~~ Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ http://www.OleDrews.com/CCNP ~~~ NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job ~~~ Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=10146t=10128 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: POD, what is that? [7:10128]
Wait, what device is the thingie/podmaker? Priscilla wrote: I just finished writing some information on pods in the protocol analysis world. In that case, a pod is an extra little thingie (technical term) that helps the analyzer get on the network. With full-duplex links, for example, if you don't want to break the link and put in a shared hub for attaching the analyzer, you can get a so-called pod that leaves the link at full-duplex traffic and buffers traffic before sending it to the analyzer. These pods are costly. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=10148t=10128 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: POD, what is that? [7:10128]
Is that a layer 2 or 3? -Original Message- From: Chuck Larrieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 1:48 PM To: Jack Nalbandian; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: POD, what is that? [7:10128] it's kinda like a doohickey but not nearly as high end as a thingamajiggy HTH Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jack Nalbandian Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 1:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: POD, what is that? [7:10128] Wait, what device is the thingie/podmaker? Priscilla wrote: I just finished writing some information on pods in the protocol analysis world. In that case, a pod is an extra little thingie (technical term) that helps the analyzer get on the network. With full-duplex links, for example, if you don't want to break the link and put in a shared hub for attaching the analyzer, you can get a so-called pod that leaves the link at full-duplex traffic and buffers traffic before sending it to the analyzer. These pods are costly. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=10168t=10128 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Router lab [7:10157]
The dot com yuppy depression knocked down the stock prices and any and all lab hopes along with it here. But, generally speaking, if you work in a production/development/manufacturing environment (i.e. some place where they actually *make* things), you might want to send them an e-learning white paper that speaks of IT Darwinism and why companies with under-trained (IT emphasis) staff will forfeit their market share to those companies with staffs that have up-to-the-minute training. You might actually scare them into beefing up their training/test lab budget, especially if you can supplement that with an article depicting a disaster scenario of a company who does not have a lab setup to train and test. (I actually managed to get a small company to spend money on a grand training scheme, because their staff did not know didly at the time, really.) If you work in a service oriented organization like a insurance company or law-firm, you might have a harder time convincing them of any test labs. You can make a trade-off by accepting either a re-imbursment deal (in writing!, always) where you first shell out at least a portion of the startup version of a lab, prove to them the usefulness of the deal, and then proceed with the purchase of a full-fledged lab, however that is defined within the given context. That, I a developer of ours was able to pull off on a Vocaltec VOIP telecom project; pretty expensive lab including 2 AS5300's, an MGX 8230, VCO/4k etc. He set up a mini/partial lab at home and proved the practicality of having one; and then expanded upon that. These are just smaple strategies I have run across. Hope I have helped. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 1:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Router lab [7:10157] Hey Gang - Anyone have any good stories or ideas on how to talk your boss into getting a router lab setup ? His theory so far is that they could not afford me if I were to get my CCIE. Thanks, Duncan Duncan Wallace Sr. Network Engineer CCNA CCNP 800.COM Inc. 1516 NW Thurman St Portland, OR 97209-2517 Direct: 503.944.3671 Cell: 503.969.8248 Fax: 503.943.9371 Web: http://800.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=10175t=10157 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: POD, what is that? [7:10128]
Howard? what problem is the doohickey trying to solve as opposed to the thing-a-ma-doogey? (OK, I will stop if you stop, if I stop...:)) -Original Message- From: Chuck Larrieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:32 PM To: Jack Nalbandian; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: POD, what is that? [7:10128] that's a Howard question! :- -Original Message- From: Jack Nalbandian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:05 PM To: 'Chuck Larrieu'; Jack Nalbandian; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: POD, what is that? [7:10128] Is that a layer 2 or 3? -Original Message- From: Chuck Larrieu [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 1:48 PM To: Jack Nalbandian; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: POD, what is that? [7:10128] it's kinda like a doohickey but not nearly as high end as a thingamajiggy HTH Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]On Behalf Of Jack Nalbandian Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 1:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: POD, what is that? [7:10128] Wait, what device is the thingie/podmaker? Priscilla wrote: I just finished writing some information on pods in the protocol analysis world. In that case, a pod is an extra little thingie (technical term) that helps the analyzer get on the network. With full-duplex links, for example, if you don't want to break the link and put in a shared hub for attaching the analyzer, you can get a so-called pod that leaves the link at full-duplex traffic and buffers traffic before sending it to the analyzer. These pods are costly. i=10148t=10128 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=10176t=10128 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OT Re: POD, what is that? [7:10128]
I B M minus one... come come... ___:) -Original Message- From: Bryan Long (Richmond VA) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT Re: POD, what is that? [7:10128] As long as we are on a tear here.. A piece of trivia - Does anyone know where Hal the computer from 2001 got it's name. Get right and you get the door prize. The pod bay door that is. Bryan - Original Message - From: Allen May To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:35 PM Subject: Re: POD, what is that? [7:10128] I dunno. But it makes me think of Open the pod bay doors HAL. - Original Message - From: Jack Nalbandian To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 3:05 PM Subject: RE: POD, what is that? [7:10128] I know this might veer off topic: Maybe I am biased (and partly curious), mostly due to working at a company that actually did refer to its building sub-units as pods, and subsequently its network subnets (with a scheme pretty much dictated by the company campus' physical subdivisions) as pods, but does the Cisco HQ campus have multiple building pods as well? It is an actual term used in architecture. Has it perhaps slipped over into being part of Cisco's network terminology? Perhaps this preconception on my part had me thinking of the pods in the BSCN book in this manner. I did notice, perhaps I am wrong, but the individual pods in the Cisco book tend to have separate areas (in OSFP scenarios This might seem like a stupid question, but sometimes having english as my 2nd language, makes it more difficult for me to understand what the writer is trying to tell me. I am in the middle of my BSCN book, and are now seeing the word POD showing up several times. It tells me that each POD has a number of routers, and there are a certain amount of POD's. Reading the explanation at http://www.dictionary.com gave me NO answers to this one, and the closest thing I can guess my self to is that POD's are kind of departments or subnets, unless the Prince Of Darkness has been involved with Cisco networks lately :-) Thanks for any replies to this one. Ole ~~~ Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ http://www.OleDrews.com/CCNP ~~~ NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job ~~~ Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=10182t=10128 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: POD, what is that? [7:10128]
Your convergence time is too long, goodbye The conversation had ended when it began. -Original Message- From: hal9001 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 3:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: POD, what is that? [7:10128] Jack, this conversation can no longer serve any useful purpose, goodbye Karl - Original Message - From: Allen May To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 9:35 PM Subject: Re: POD, what is that? [7:10128] I dunno. But it makes me think of Open the pod bay doors HAL. - Original Message - From: Jack Nalbandian To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 3:05 PM Subject: RE: POD, what is that? [7:10128] I know this might veer off topic: Maybe I am biased (and partly curious), mostly due to working at a company that actually did refer to its building sub-units as pods, and subsequently its network subnets (with a scheme pretty much dictated by the company campus' physical subdivisions) as pods, but does the Cisco HQ campus have multiple building pods as well? It is an actual term used in architecture. Has it perhaps slipped over into being part of Cisco's network terminology? Perhaps this preconception on my part had me thinking of the pods in the BSCN book in this manner. I did notice, perhaps I am wrong, but the individual pods in the Cisco book tend to have separate areas (in OSFP scenarios This might seem like a stupid question, but sometimes having english as my 2nd language, makes it more difficult for me to understand what the writer is trying to tell me. I am in the middle of my BSCN book, and are now seeing the word POD showing up several times. It tells me that each POD has a number of routers, and there are a certain amount of POD's. Reading the explanation at http://www.dictionary.com gave me NO answers to this one, and the closest thing I can guess my self to is that POD's are kind of departments or subnets, unless the Prince Of Darkness has been involved with Cisco networks lately :-) Thanks for any replies to this one. Ole ~~~ Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ http://www.OleDrews.com/CCNP ~~~ NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job ~~~ Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=10190t=10128 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: POD, what is that? [7:10128]
Actually (and seriously), The company uses the term pod to describe the satellite building, i.e. the subdivisions within the physical layout of the campus. This then is applied in reference to the subnets that are essentially defined by those architectural/geographic divisions. Interestingly, the companies that I refer to are Parsons Engineering in Pasadena, CA and Hughes in El Segundo, CA, but pod is a commonly used term in architecture. I still think that the BSCN is referring to building pods---:) Priscilla wrote: As far as OSPF areas, I think Cisco makes a pod an area just to give the student a chance to work with a multi-area network. It has nothing to do with the real world. It is interesting that your company uses the word for subnets, physical subdivisions. Maybe other companies do too. Priscilla Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=10200t=10128 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: OT Re: POD, what is that? [7:10128]
Oh, well. So much for the folklore -Original Message- From: hal9001 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 3:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT Re: POD, what is that? [7:10128] Before anyone says it IT IS NOT ONE LETTER TO THE LEFT OF IBM. The name means Heuristically programmed (in the likeness of man) ALogrithmic computer. i.e. HAL and 9000 was the series. From the HAL Corporation of Irvana Illinois. Inception date in 1997. http://www.useit.com/papers/heuristic/heuristic_list.html Arthur C. Clark said that the one great mistake that they made was the actual size of the machine which he now wishes had been much smaller. QUESTIONs: What was the name of the GROUND BASED SYSTEM (Computer on earth) that was simulating the mission and what was the callsign (not name) of the deepspace craft which HAL controlled and which later Comedy Sci-Fi film was this Callsign re-used. Answers please on a disenfranchised Florida voting slip to the EXXON Slush Fund, Wilderness No longer, Alaska. Karl - Original Message - From: Jennifer Cribbs To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:18 PM Subject: Re: OT Re: POD, what is that? [7:10128] I am going to guess. Hypercomputer using the IIDAL programming language. Jennifer Cribbs 6/27/2001 4:42:47 PM, Bryan Long \(Richmond VA\) wrote: As long as we are on a tear here.. A piece of trivia - Does anyone know where Hal the computer from 2001 got it's name. Get right and you get the door prize. The pod bay door that is. Bryan - Original Message - From: Allen May To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:35 PM Subject: Re: POD, what is that? [7:10128] I dunno. But it makes me think of Open the pod bay doors HAL. - Original Message - From: Jack Nalbandian To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 3:05 PM Subject: RE: POD, what is that? [7:10128] I know this might veer off topic: Maybe I am biased (and partly curious), mostly due to working at a company that actually did refer to its building sub-units as pods, and subsequently its network subnets (with a scheme pretty much dictated by the company campus' physical subdivisions) as pods, but does the Cisco HQ campus have multiple building pods as well? It is an actual term used in architecture. Has it perhaps slipped over into being part of Cisco's network terminology? Perhaps this preconception on my part had me thinking of the pods in the BSCN book in this manner. I did notice, perhaps I am wrong, but the individual pods in the Cisco book tend to have separate areas (in OSFP scenarios This might seem like a stupid question, but sometimes having english as my 2nd language, makes it more difficult for me to understand what the writer is trying to tell me. I am in the middle of my BSCN book, and are now seeing the word POD showing up several times. It tells me that each POD has a number of routers, and there are a certain amount of POD's. Reading the explanation at http://www.dictionary.com gave me NO answers to this one, and the closest thing I can guess my self to is that POD's are kind of departments or subnets, unless the Prince Of Darkness has been involved with Cisco networks lately :-) Thanks for any replies to this one. Ole ~~~ Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ http://www.OleDrews.com/CCNP ~~~ NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job ~~~ Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Have a great day!! Jennifer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=10203t=10128 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045]
I thought IPX was layer 2 in the IPX/SPX stack. -Original Message- From: Charles Manafa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 7:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] IPX is layer 3 Switches operate at layer 2 CM -Original Message- From: Sim, CT (Chee Tong) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20/06/01 08:14 Subject: RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] Thanks! I found the setting in the printer to disable the IPX. However Can we filter the IPX traffic on our 2900 IOS switches, and set based 5500 switches. IF yes.. what is the command to disable transmission of IPX traffic in the switches. -Original Message- From: Jim Dixon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:40 PM To: Sim, CT (Chee Tong) Subject: RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] It may be an HP JetDirect card. Get rid of it by assigning your JetDirect and or Printer an IP Address (whichever you need to do) Turn IPX off on the JetDirect Print Server. OR Filter IPX at your router and see if you can still print. Then RE_check for your IPX.. Is it still there? Did printer stop working? If so then you may want to keep IPX till you can switch to IP. -Original Message- From: Sim, CT (Chee Tong) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] Hi. I use the fluke meter and ethereal software to check the health of our network and I found there are a lot of IPX traffic in our network. But we have no Novell server here and where is the IPX traffic coming from? In the ethereal output I saw a lot of statement like source destination Protocol Info 0.0008c7280106 0.IPX SAP Nearest Query 0.0008c7280106 0.IPX SAP General Query 0.0008c7280106 0.IPX SAP General Response 0.0008c7280106 0.NBIPXFind name our domain name 0.0008c7280106 0.BROWSER Host Announcement workstation name workstation, server, print queue server, NT workstation, NT server, Potential browser. In fluke meter, I saw these IPX are mostly by printer and printer server? Why printer got something to do with IPX . How to get rid of this? Please advice Thanks -Original Message- From: jason douglas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: what about ccie-pre-qualification test in boson cisco [7: 9041] I thought it was similar. frank wrote: compared with 350-001,easier or much the same? Thanks, frank -- Jason Douglas Lucent World Wide Services Pager 888-451-0755 == De informatie opgenomen in dit bericht kan vertrouwelijk zijn en is uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Indien u dit bericht onterecht ontvangt wordt u verzocht de inhoud niet te gebruiken en de afzender direct te informeren door het bericht te retourneren. == The information contained in this message may be confidential and is intended to be exclusively for the addressee. Should you receive this message unintentionally, please do not use the contents herein and notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. == == De informatie opgenomen in dit bericht kan vertrouwelijk zijn en is uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Indien u dit bericht onterecht ontvangt wordt u verzocht de inhoud niet te gebruiken en de afzender direct te informeren door het bericht te retourneren. == The information contained in this message may be confidential and is intended to be exclusively for the addressee. Should you receive this message unintentionally, please do not use the contents herein and notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. == Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=9812t=9045 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: dirty e-mails [7:9787]
Seems to be generated by a trojan. -Original Message- From: Robert (BOB) Perez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 7:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: dirty e-mails [7:9787] Anyone keep getting mail from ***@sexyfun.net ? I noticed that they sent [EMAIL PROTECTED] an e-mail the other day and now they are being directed to my inbox? Bob Perez EPX Network Support 302-326-0700 x4242 Cell 302-420-6883 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=9817t=9787 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045]
Correct! My mistake. -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 10:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] ipx is layer 3, spx is 4.. Bri - Original Message - From: Jack Nalbandian To: Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 9:57 AM Subject: RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] I thought IPX was layer 2 in the IPX/SPX stack. -Original Message- From: Charles Manafa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 7:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] IPX is layer 3 Switches operate at layer 2 CM -Original Message- From: Sim, CT (Chee Tong) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20/06/01 08:14 Subject: RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] Thanks! I found the setting in the printer to disable the IPX. However Can we filter the IPX traffic on our 2900 IOS switches, and set based 5500 switches. IF yes.. what is the command to disable transmission of IPX traffic in the switches. -Original Message- From: Jim Dixon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:40 PM To: Sim, CT (Chee Tong) Subject: RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] It may be an HP JetDirect card. Get rid of it by assigning your JetDirect and or Printer an IP Address (whichever you need to do) Turn IPX off on the JetDirect Print Server. OR Filter IPX at your router and see if you can still print. Then RE_check for your IPX.. Is it still there? Did printer stop working? If so then you may want to keep IPX till you can switch to IP. -Original Message- From: Sim, CT (Chee Tong) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] Hi. I use the fluke meter and ethereal software to check the health of our network and I found there are a lot of IPX traffic in our network. But we have no Novell server here and where is the IPX traffic coming from? In the ethereal output I saw a lot of statement like source destination Protocol Info 0.0008c7280106 0.IPX SAP Nearest Query 0.0008c7280106 0.IPX SAP General Query 0.0008c7280106 0.IPX SAP General Response 0.0008c7280106 0.NBIPXFind name our domain name 0.0008c7280106 0.BROWSER Host Announcement workstation name workstation, server, print queue server, NT workstation, NT server, Potential browser. In fluke meter, I saw these IPX are mostly by printer and printer server? Why printer got something to do with IPX . How to get rid of this? Please advice Thanks -Original Message- From: jason douglas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: what about ccie-pre-qualification test in boson cisco [7: 9041] I thought it was similar. frank wrote: compared with 350-001,easier or much the same? Thanks, frank -- Jason Douglas Lucent World Wide Services Pager 888-451-0755 == De informatie opgenomen in dit bericht kan vertrouwelijk zijn en is uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Indien u dit bericht onterecht ontvangt wordt u verzocht de inhoud niet te gebruiken en de afzender direct te informeren door het bericht te retourneren. == The information contained in this message may be confidential and is intended to be exclusively for the addressee. Should you receive this message unintentionally, please do not use the contents herein and notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. == == De informatie opgenomen in dit bericht kan vertrouwelijk zijn en is uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Indien u dit bericht onterecht ontvangt wordt u verzocht de inhoud niet te gebruiken en de afzender direct te informeren door het bericht te retourneren. == The information contained in this message may be confidential and is intended to be exclusively for the addressee. Should you receive this message unintentionally, please do not use the contents herein and notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. == Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=9819t=9045 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http
RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045]
Thank you veery much for clarifying that. Pardon my ignorance on Novell stuff, but does this mean, then, that the ODI wrap and IPX share the layer 2 functions? Also, what is the NWLINK equivalent of ARP? -Original Message- From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 11:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] IPX runs at layer 3. There's no question of that. Perhaps the confusing thing is that IPX layer-3 addresses consist of network.MAC. The node part of the address is the same as the layer-2 NIC address, also known as MAC or hardware address. This means that IPX doesn't need an ARP. If you know the Layer-3 address, you know the Layer-2 address also. Above IPX, the most common Novell protocol is NetWare Core Protocol (NCP) used by file servers. Print servers use SPX. It's a myth that NCP uses SPX. It doesn't. Priscilla At 12:57 PM 6/25/01, Jack Nalbandian wrote: I thought IPX was layer 2 in the IPX/SPX stack. -Original Message- From: Charles Manafa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 7:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] IPX is layer 3 Switches operate at layer 2 CM -Original Message- From: Sim, CT (Chee Tong) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20/06/01 08:14 Subject: RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] Thanks! I found the setting in the printer to disable the IPX. However Can we filter the IPX traffic on our 2900 IOS switches, and set based 5500 switches. IF yes.. what is the command to disable transmission of IPX traffic in the switches. -Original Message- From: Jim Dixon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:40 PM To: Sim, CT (Chee Tong) Subject: RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] It may be an HP JetDirect card. Get rid of it by assigning your JetDirect and or Printer an IP Address (whichever you need to do) Turn IPX off on the JetDirect Print Server. OR Filter IPX at your router and see if you can still print. Then RE_check for your IPX.. Is it still there? Did printer stop working? If so then you may want to keep IPX till you can switch to IP. -Original Message- From: Sim, CT (Chee Tong) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] Hi. I use the fluke meter and ethereal software to check the health of our network and I found there are a lot of IPX traffic in our network. But we have no Novell server here and where is the IPX traffic coming from? In the ethereal output I saw a lot of statement like source destination Protocol Info 0.0008c7280106 0.IPX SAP Nearest Query 0.0008c7280106 0.IPX SAP General Query 0.0008c7280106 0.IPX SAP General Response 0.0008c7280106 0.NBIPXFind name our domain name 0.0008c7280106 0.BROWSER Host Announcement workstation name workstation, server, print queue server, NT workstation, NT server, Potential browser. In fluke meter, I saw these IPX are mostly by printer and printer server? Why printer got something to do with IPX . How to get rid of this? Please advice Thanks -Original Message- From: jason douglas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: what about ccie-pre-qualification test in boson cisco [7: 9041] I thought it was similar. frank wrote: compared with 350-001,easier or much the same? Thanks, frank -- Jason Douglas Lucent World Wide Services Pager 888-451-0755 == De informatie opgenomen in dit bericht kan vertrouwelijk zijn en is uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Indien u dit bericht onterecht ontvangt wordt u verzocht de inhoud niet te gebruiken en de afzender direct te informeren door het bericht te retourneren. == The information contained in this message may be confidential and is intended to be exclusively for the addressee. Should you receive this message unintentionally, please do not use the contents herein and notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. == == De informatie opgenomen in dit bericht kan vertrouwelijk zijn en is uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Indien u dit bericht onterecht ontvangt wordt u verzocht de inhoud niet te gebruiken en de afzender direct te informeren door het bericht te retourneren. == The information contained
RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045]
My friend, Thank you for your assistance. I was not aware that there was a basics CCNA list. I will, however, not refrain from being basic on this list, if you permit it, of course. Thank you, -Original Message- From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 1:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] At 12:11 PM 6/25/01, Jack Nalbandian wrote: Thank you veery much for clarifying that. Pardon my ignorance on Novell stuff, but does this mean, then, that the ODI wrap and IPX share the layer 2 functions? No. IPX does layer-3 functions. ODI is just an Ethernet driver. It allows a NIC to be used to carry data for different protocols. For example, ODI allows a computer with a single NIC to be simultaneously connected to both an IPX and an IP network. So, IPX interfaces to ODI. It's a layered architecture. Also, what is the NWLINK equivalent of ARP? NWLINK is NetBIOS running on top of IPX/SPX. It's just generic IPX. It has nothing to do with ARP which is an IP function to map IP addresses to MAC addresses. These basic questions belong on the CCNA study list, not this one. Also, find yourself a good protocol chart. Every so often someone sends around a link to one. Priscilla -Original Message- From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 11:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] IPX runs at layer 3. There's no question of that. Perhaps the confusing thing is that IPX layer-3 addresses consist of network.MAC. The node part of the address is the same as the layer-2 NIC address, also known as MAC or hardware address. This means that IPX doesn't need an ARP. If you know the Layer-3 address, you know the Layer-2 address also. Above IPX, the most common Novell protocol is NetWare Core Protocol (NCP) used by file servers. Print servers use SPX. It's a myth that NCP uses SPX. It doesn't. Priscilla At 12:57 PM 6/25/01, Jack Nalbandian wrote: I thought IPX was layer 2 in the IPX/SPX stack. -Original Message- From: Charles Manafa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 7:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] IPX is layer 3 Switches operate at layer 2 CM -Original Message- From: Sim, CT (Chee Tong) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20/06/01 08:14 Subject: RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] Thanks! I found the setting in the printer to disable the IPX. However Can we filter the IPX traffic on our 2900 IOS switches, and set based 5500 switches. IF yes.. what is the command to disable transmission of IPX traffic in the switches. -Original Message- From: Jim Dixon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:40 PM To: Sim, CT (Chee Tong) Subject: RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] It may be an HP JetDirect card. Get rid of it by assigning your JetDirect and or Printer an IP Address (whichever you need to do) Turn IPX off on the JetDirect Print Server. OR Filter IPX at your router and see if you can still print. Then RE_check for your IPX.. Is it still there? Did printer stop working? If so then you may want to keep IPX till you can switch to IP. -Original Message- From: Sim, CT (Chee Tong) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] Hi. I use the fluke meter and ethereal software to check the health of our network and I found there are a lot of IPX traffic in our network. But we have no Novell server here and where is the IPX traffic coming from? In the ethereal output I saw a lot of statement like source destination Protocol Info 0.0008c7280106 0.IPX SAP Nearest Query 0.0008c7280106 0.IPX SAP General Query 0.0008c7280106 0.IPX SAP General Response 0.0008c7280106 0.NBIPXFind name our domain name 0.0008c7280106 0.BROWSER Host Announcement workstation name workstation, server, print queue server, NT workstation, NT server, Potential browser. In fluke meter, I saw these IPX are mostly by printer and printer server? Why printer got something to do with IPX . How to get rid of this? Please advice Thanks -Original Message- From: jason douglas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: what about ccie-pre-qualification test in boson cisco [7: 9041] I thought it was similar. frank wrote: compared with 350-001,easier or much the same? Thanks, frank
RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045]
Hey, hey, go to the basics list with those typos:))) -Original Message- From: Michael L. Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 3:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] Excuse me.. I meant to say IPX does NOT have to use SPX for transport... Sorry for the non-type Mike W. Michael L. Williams wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... It seems interested to note that no one has mentioned that IPX not only performs addressing and path determination (layer 3) but can also act as it's own conectionless transport too (layer 4) like UDP.. IPX does HAVE to use SPX for transport. so IPX is really a Layer3 4 protocol Mike W. Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... At 12:11 PM 6/25/01, Jack Nalbandian wrote: Thank you veery much for clarifying that. Pardon my ignorance on Novell stuff, but does this mean, then, that the ODI wrap and IPX share the layer 2 functions? No. IPX does layer-3 functions. ODI is just an Ethernet driver. It allows a NIC to be used to carry data for different protocols. For example, ODI allows a computer with a single NIC to be simultaneously connected to both an IPX and an IP network. So, IPX interfaces to ODI. It's a layered architecture. Also, what is the NWLINK equivalent of ARP? NWLINK is NetBIOS running on top of IPX/SPX. It's just generic IPX. It has nothing to do with ARP which is an IP function to map IP addresses to MAC addresses. These basic questions belong on the CCNA study list, not this one. Also, find yourself a good protocol chart. Every so often someone sends around a link to one. Priscilla -Original Message- From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 11:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] IPX runs at layer 3. There's no question of that. Perhaps the confusing thing is that IPX layer-3 addresses consist of network.MAC. The node part of the address is the same as the layer-2 NIC address, also known as MAC or hardware address. This means that IPX doesn't need an ARP. If you know the Layer-3 address, you know the Layer-2 address also. Above IPX, the most common Novell protocol is NetWare Core Protocol (NCP) used by file servers. Print servers use SPX. It's a myth that NCP uses SPX. It doesn't. Priscilla At 12:57 PM 6/25/01, Jack Nalbandian wrote: I thought IPX was layer 2 in the IPX/SPX stack. -Original Message- From: Charles Manafa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 7:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] IPX is layer 3 Switches operate at layer 2 CM -Original Message- From: Sim, CT (Chee Tong) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20/06/01 08:14 Subject: RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] Thanks! I found the setting in the printer to disable the IPX. However Can we filter the IPX traffic on our 2900 IOS switches, and set based 5500 switches. IF yes.. what is the command to disable transmission of IPX traffic in the switches. -Original Message- From: Jim Dixon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:40 PM To: Sim, CT (Chee Tong) Subject: RE: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] It may be an HP JetDirect card. Get rid of it by assigning your JetDirect and or Printer an IP Address (whichever you need to do) Turn IPX off on the JetDirect Print Server. OR Filter IPX at your router and see if you can still print. Then RE_check for your IPX.. Is it still there? Did printer stop working? If so then you may want to keep IPX till you can switch to IP. -Original Message- From: Sim, CT (Chee Tong) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: why there are so many IPX traffic in my network [7:9045] Hi. I use the fluke meter and ethereal software to check the health of our network and I found there are a lot of IPX traffic in our network. But we have no Novell server here and where is the IPX traffic coming from? In the ethereal output I saw a lot of statement like source destination Protocol Info 0.0008c7280106 0.IPX SAP Nearest Query 0.0008c7280106 0.IPX SAP General Query 0.0008c7280106 0.IPX SAP General Response 0.0008c7280106 0.NBIPXFind name our domain name 0.0008
Semantics/Definitionism - BGP is what type of protocol? [7:7448]
Dear friends, I have been reading the Syngress and Cisco Press books, the RFCs related to BGP, as well as the CCO docs, but keep getting a conflicting set of answers on the following question: To what category of routing protocols does BGP belong? A. Distance vector? (CCO) B. Advanced Distance Vector? (Sybex/Lammle/Cisco Press) C. Path Vector? (Syngress/Osborne) Regards, Jack Nalbandian, CCNA, MCSE Network Engineer DATAFLEX - U.S. Operations 310.445.1052 x275 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.telephonyexperts.com The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=7448t=7448 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Book club [7:6811]
I had a little trouble with the tcbc part of booksonline, but I called (317) 541-8920 and they got everything strightened out to my satisfaction. --Original Message-- From: Michael L. Williams To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 4, 2001 1:00:30 PM GMT Subject: Re: Book club [7:6811] Agreed. avoid Library of Computer and Information Sciences.. they lost one of my orders. never billed me twice, but sent selections of the month that I clearly declined. I've e-mailed them asking how to end my membership (because their website says nothing about it that I can find), and I haven't heard back from them.. Mike W. Georgescu, Aurelian wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Make sure you don't subscribe to Library of Computer Information Sciences (http://lcis.booksonline.com/cgi-bin/ndCGI.exe/Develop/pagHome?clubId=LCIpr omo=bhp-1-2) They are the worst! They lose your order, bill you twice and have no customer support!! -Original Message- From: William E. Gragido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 3:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Book club [7:6811] yeah Carl, its www.booksonline.com/telecommunications -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of MIRSKY Carl Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Book club [7:6811] A while back there was information posed on a book club where you could get several CCIE books for like $10 and then only have to buy X books afterwards. Does anyone have the name or URL for this? Thanks Put yer seat belt on, I wanna try somethin'. I saw it in a cartoon once and I'm pretty sure it'll work ! , /'^ ^' ((o)-(o)) --oOOO--(_)--OOOo- Carl Mirsky CCNP, CCDP, SCSA, MCSE Technical Solutions Architect Covansys ( www.covansys.com ) 1750 E. Golf Rd. #1100 Schaumburg, IL 60173 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 847-969-3054 .oooO ( ) Oooo. - (---( )--- _) ) / (_/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=7120t=6811 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Concerning the importance of Certs [7:5935]
Dear friends, [NOTE; the caps are not SCREAMS but HIGHLIGHTS] I am also relatively new to this list and have been reading much of the correspondance dealing with the day to day issues of networking; which have been very valuable. But the discussions on whether or not certs are worth their while have been shoved back and forth too many times. In my very humble opinion, the cert program makes you focus on the fundamentals. It is a very good stepping stone from total ignorant, such as what I was when I jumped with both feet into the IT world, to someone who has a fairly decent VOCABULARY to start READING THE STORY and TRAVELLING THE TERRITORY. Also in my very humble opinion, VERY humble opinion, since I am not even close to being there with the CCIE (or JNCIE, whichever is the victor in the end - or even if that will ever matter - be both if you can): If the CCIE cert program is as intense as described merely by its failure rate and the vastness of the material to which one has to be exposed to earn the thing, then that person with the CCIE will have a VERY LARGE vocabulary to get a great HEAD START, much greater than one who is not exposed to the broad (albeit somewhat theoretic) material, if not GETTING THERE right away, depending on the context. I am at this point to be fortunate enough to be pushing away at VOIP and Ethernet technology in a practical environment: Guess what? The MCSE got me to the first round, and the CCNA to the second, because both gave me ADEQUATE BACKGROUND to START THE TRUE LEARNING PROCESS MORE EFFICIENTLY in the WORK ENVIRONMENT. It would have taken me much longer otherwise. I totally encourage all those wishing to push for their certs to GO full speed at ahead. Regards, Jack Nalbandian, CCNA, MCSE Network Engineer DATAFLEX - U.S. Operations 310.445.1052 x275 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.telephonyexperts.com The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=5935t=5935 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE written is outdated. [7:5756]
In addition to exposure to the archaic material with the probability of applying in mind, some sort of formal curriculum is required to arm someone with an upt-o-date conceptual background in an industry that is in flux to such a ridiculous degree. Even a seasoned master would need a formal refresher course once in a while. As you say, prepare for the road ahead: Get a map, an oil change, wipe the windshield, blah... Enough from me... -Original Message- From: Dennis R [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE written is outdated. [7:5756] In any well-considered educational endeavor, the program will consist of two kinds of knowledge. One kind is the obvious -- you want the students to achieve mastery. Even after the classes/training are over, and they've been away from it in their work for some time, you want them to *know* that material. For other knowledge the goal is familiarity, not mastery. Down the road, you don't necessarily expect them to remember all the details, but you do want them to recognize the material when they run into it, have a clue what it's about, know where to look for the information they need to work with it, and be confident they can use the information under those circumstances because, They learned it once, they'll be able to refresh/deepen their knowledge when necessary and be productive. Whether by design or accident (most likely the test is just old), I think the CCIE written will help candidates achieve familiarity with a lot of material they may well run into at some point, whereas the lab, which motivates much more studying, will help them achieve mastery of the most important topics. I'm still chewing on my CCNP, but in my job in a large NOC, we had one very large network (Fortune 50) running DEC, IS-IS and a few X.25 lines, several banking customers who used SDLC/DLSW for their ATM machines, some Appletalk, and some other odd stuff. IMHO, it's not a bad idea at all that Cisco guarantees that CCIE's have been exposed to all of this at least once. FWIW, doctorcisco From: Chuck Larrieu Reply-To: Chuck Larrieu To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE written is outdated. [7:5756] Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:10:27 -0400 This of course presumes it is in Cisco's interest to make the test relevant. Reminds a bit of the arguments we used to make in college and grad school. My major is X, so why should I be required to take classes in Y? The answer is BECAUSE! :- Right or wrong, relevant or not, the fact is that if you want the reward, then part of the requirement is to put up with the crap. Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of g_study Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:19 PM To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE written is outdated. [7:5756] Mr.Bad Attitude, I never said the lab was outdated. I have never used web based utilities to configure routers. All I said was the written test was outdated. They need to update it. I didn't say make it easier. I asked why they still test us on outdated technologies. I would rather spend my time studying BGP then how to read a RIF. - Original Message - From: Louie Belt To: Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:17 PM Subject: RE: CCIE written is outdated. [7:5756] And a calculator can do math for you, but would you substitute your knowledge of math for a dependancy on a calculator? If all you want to do is follow the suggestions of a sniffer, then do so. If you want to learn networking then invest the time to undertand what it is the sniffer is telling you. I assume from your comments you would also prefer to use the web based configuration utilities for switches and routers - that way you don't have to know the syntax. I guess the CCIE lab is outdated as well. Louie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brian Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE written is outdated. [7:5756] exactly, I was just talking about this with a study partner, and the obsession with bits in the header is really deep here, and the canonical inversion stuff makes my brain hurt. I would think most packet sniffers would do this for you. Brian Sonic Whalen Success = Preparation + Opportunity On Thu, 24 May 2001, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: At 04:59 PM 5/24/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But do I really need to know how to read a RIF? How often do you read a RIF? I don't think so. That's one of the silliest topics, in my opinion. If you had to read a RIF you would use a protocol analyzer that would decode it for you. I know some day you could run into a situation where you really need to know how to read a RIF or know how to configure Apollo, Banyan VINES or XNS. I guess I am just frustrated with
VoIP Sort of.. Kinda off subject [7:4498]
I have a client with sites in Singapore, Silicon Valley, Israel and London who is looking to consolidate as much of their voice traffic over IP for toll bypass reasons as possible. Initially the best suggestion seems to be a Nortel 4400 series Frame switch, especially in light of the fact that they have Meridian Option 11 c's in each site and would like to preserve as many of the inter switch functions as possible. Does anyone have a suggestion as to what Cisco would present as a response to this Nortel solution? TIA! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=4498t=4498 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE #7354 - for Jeff McCoy [7:3998]
Huh? For future reference, when someone achieves something significant, the correct response is CONGRATULATIONS!. I don't know what our friend does for a living, but if I can pass the CCIE lab on the second try, I'll be very pleased with myself. --Original Message-- From: Q To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 10, 2001 5:08:12 PM GMT Subject: Re: CCIE #7354 - for Jeff McCoy [7:3998] Yeah, but what do u do for a living? And do you have any real experience and to what extent? Survey says! Q DUNG H. LE wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... May 7-8, 2001 - RTP Lab facility This was attempt 2. I changed my study habits from attempt 1, and therefore testing technique, for my attempt 2 (you perform like you practice..right?). It paid off. The change was to monotonously ping every interface IP / IPX address from every router. I made a list of the addresses and ran through all of them from every router. I believe this lack of attention to detail is what did me in on attempt one. Time management was key. If I didn't know the config off the top of my head, I skipped it. This allowed me to complete the entire day 1 portion 3 hours early. I had 4 areas that I needed to think about, so I saved them for last. I methodically approached each of the 4 areas, knocked out each requirement, and had 1 hour left to do the testing above. My strategy was that no matter what, I would take the last hour to test thoroughly, I just happened to get my 4 items done. Day 2 was the same way...although only 3 hours for the first part, I still had 45 minutes to test it all. Troubleshooting was by far the most nerve-racking experience. I had a trouble ticket list and was told to find as many problems as I could and document/fix them (one liners). Unexpectedly I had to troubleshoot a different network than the one I had spent a day and a half configuring. 3 hours was the time limit to learn a new topology, IP scheme, protocol intent, and then fix as much as possible. I don't feel like I was ready for this, and must have just kept calm enough to manage it. The waiting is a nerve killer. You wait before the lab starts about an hour for everything and everyone to get ready. You wait all night long for status on day 1's score. You wait after day 2 build out...1.5 hours for me to find out if you made it to troubleshooting. Then you wait while they add up the points and spit a number out of the computer or not. Howard was the best!!! Comic relief goes a long way to ease my stress, and he delivered. I was very comfortable in the RTP environment. Study material used / frequency: Caslow 2nd edition - read it cover to cover once. Ccbootcamp labs - practiced daily (almost and minus weekends) for 4 months 4-6 hours per day on a rack of equipment that was very similar to the real thing. I was very comfortable with what was required of me for day 1 and 2 build out. In retrospect I would have practiced a bit more on troubleshooting. I was not comfortable with this at all and could have used some familiarity with strategy and tactic on this part. FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=4075t=3998 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
question about using MRTG to survey the traffic of POS [7:3725]
hi,everyone here i meet a problem in using MRTG to survey the traffic of POS interface in cisco's GSR router and juniper's m160 router,the amount of traffic of pos interface displayed in MRTG is much smaller than that displayed in router's exec command,but they are same if the interface is a atm interface or a enthernet interface. I guess there is a bug in MRTG programming or misconfiguration in the configuration file,Can anyone give me the true answer? thanks in advance. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=3725t=3725 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN EXAM [7:1912]
I completely agree with Phil. I used Boson #2 for Switching and got my highest score so far. I used Routing (#2, I think) and got my lowest score so far. - Original Message - From: Circusnuts To: Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 1:22 PM Subject: Re: BCMSN EXAM [7:1912] Boson't are much harder than the real thing. I bombed every Boson test aced all the Cisco ones. I know the Boson Routing was a little off, but the Switching was for sure on the money. The Switching Exam Cram is also a very good supplement to the Cisco Press. Good Luck Phil - Original Message - From: Calvin Piggott To: Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 1:16 PM Subject: BCMSN EXAM [7:1912] Hello Group, I'm gonna take BCMSN sometime next week. Has anyone used Boson practice tests to prepare? Is it good? Do any questions require you to type IOS commands? Thanks. FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1958t=1912 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698]
Nobody who's secure in their talents is offended by your age. It might be a reminder for some of us fogies to stay on our toes, though! I remember the age of not being taken seriously - knock 'em dead, Dude. - Original Message - From: Russ Kreigh To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:49 PM Subject: RE: Failed CCDA [7:1698] I too am only 17 years old and like Priscilla I think this is a controversial topic. However, I have a very strong opinion, therefore am going to express it. :-) I currently work for an local ISP and have quite a bit of Cisco experience along with very much UNIX (BSDi, Linux, HP-UX, Solaris), HTML, JavaScript, ASP, PERL, etc etc. However, I make significantly less that a new guy that was hired to work along with me. I am just as qualified, if not more. Of course, there are other issues to consider; I am part-time and he is full time, I know that makes a difference, that part I understand. But, I feel that a large portion of it has to do with my age, not based on my ability to perform my job. On a Cisco related note, I am going to schedule my CCDA exam within the next month, along with my CCNA. I am very confident that I will do good on my CCNA, and have been studying CCDA material and getting some real-life experience in my job. The message I am trying to point out is that just because we may be young doesn't mean that we should not be taken seriously. Also, I know that my age also offends some people who have been in the field a long time. I can't really speak from expeirence here, but I know that more women have choosen careers in the Technology field in the past 10 years. Just as their co-workers have come to accept it more, they are going to have to accept that us young adults can be capable of doing the same job. -Russ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Priscilla Oppenheimer Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Failed CCDA [7:1698] I'm going to say something Very controversial here, which is that I think it's a good sign that a 17-year old had a hard time with the CCDA test. It validates the test a bit. Design requires experience. Can someone who has just learned to drive, design a car? Can someone who has just started learning networking, design a network? Remember that I teach (part-time) at the high school level and I love the energy, quick thinking, and creativity of that age group. I strongly believe that the inventions that they will develop will be even more amazing than the ones our generation came up with. So I do not make this comment out of prejudice. Aaron, it sounds like you know which areas you need to study a bit more in order to pass the test, so I'm sure you'll do well next time. Good luck! Priscilla At 09:02 AM 4/24/01, you wrote: Hey guys, this is Aaron again. I failed my CCDA by 37 points. I made a 718 and i needed a 755 to pass Bah, out 100$.. I did rescedule it for a couple of weeks from now, and now that i know what sections i'm weak in, i think i might be able to make this up. My worst section was WAN Technologies with a 40%. My best was Network Management with a 100%. So i guess i had quite a range of scores. Anyways, back to the books and sample tests for me. Thanks guys. ~Aaron Vose FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1962t=1698 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE depreciation in 2 years [7:1882]
How many MD's in the world? A lot! Still worth pursuing, though. - Original Message - From: victor delta To: Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 2:26 PM Subject: Re: CCIE depreciation in 2 years [7:1882] For those that care to ponder such things and need a diversion from their focus on studying: I think what Jim Brown really meant to say was Six went in and five came out...only one was allowed to stay in., both literally and figuratively! If that doesn't say it all, then just try to imagine being a member of a/any prestigious group whose members number only 6000/12000 or even 18000 IN THE ENTIRE WORLD! To all the nay sayers about the certification alone (irrespective of the value of the learning exercise and knowledge gained), I challenge you to go and accomplish it first, then opinions about relative current and/or future value are respectfully solicited and appreciated. This writer, for one, will keep on striving to attain the CCIE status and is not to overly bothered by the increased numbers. Are there others who possibly know as muchmore.are as capable.more capable.smarter, better looking, more affable, loved by all..oh almost forgot, make one hell of a lot more money! etc. etc. etc. than certificated CCIEs, you bet. However I would venture to say that their numbers are at a magnitude of 100+ times less than the former. I have had and continue to share the privilege of membership in select groups...as I'm certain do many of the less vocal participants of this forum. For those that need it said, it is well worthwhile the effort. I encourage my fellow colleagues and peers that are with me on the journey, as I know from the comments in this forum they encourage me, and I applaud and respect their success as I believe they will value mine. As they say.my $0.02 worth. Now back to the studies! VD Jim Brown wrote: I do it because I love to learn, not for the money. The money is nice, but if that is your only reason then you are in the wrong business. If you just want the money there are plenty of other professions that pay more with the same intelligence factor. CNE, MCSE, CCIE all of these certifications are or were in high demand and it seems like there is always something on the horizon. If the CCIE becomes less valuable there will be something bigger and better but I won't sit around a wait on it. How many times have you heard it is in the journey and not the destination? The materials are better, more people are interested, so you have more individuals passing. Attaining the CCIE is only the beginning and if/when I receive my number it doesn't mean the learning stops. There are probably around 6,000 worldwide active CCIE's. If that number doubles it is still a unique thin crowd. Regarding difficulty you still here the stories of six went in and only one came out. I don't think it is any easier today than it was in past. You just have more people sitting the exam. This is evident with the backlog. I believe approximate the same percentage are passing 14%-17%? I look at what I thought I knew six years ago and I'm astonished where I am today. Everyday that goes by I realize how much I don't know and that's what drives me on. I do it because I love it. If the market is saturated then I will have more people to talk shop with and that ain't such a bad thing. -Original Message- From: Tennesee Stud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 9:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE depreciation in 2 years [7:1882] I was wondering what others thought about the CCIE. It seems to me now that there are so many books and training materials geared towards the CCIE, it is making it easier to obtain the CCIE. With a steady diet of the right books ( which everyone seems to agree on) and hands on time with routers and switches ( which to me is the only obstacle), it does not seem as difficlut as it proclaimed (and I think most people see that).My opinion is the CCIE will be devalued considerably in the next few years (As far as salary is concerned as well as prestige) As others have pointed out, the CCIE population is growing at a faster rate (routing and switching), and even though the demand is high for the CCIE now, I think in 2 years there will be a difference in the way the industry views CCIE's .02 thats all Tennesee Stud _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure
Re: How long ? [7:1928]
I THINK it was 90 minutes when I took it (in January). Passing score 755. - Original Message - From: Antonio Ramirez Volker To: Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 12:53 PM Subject: How long ? [7:1928] Two very simple question.. How long takes the CID exam? What is the pass grade? Thanks in advance Antonio *** Ing. Antonio Ramirez Volker Consultor LAN/WAN Consorcio Red Uno S.A. de C.V. Av Lazaro Cardenas 3430 piso 2 Col Chpalaita CP 45040 Guadalajara Jalisco Mexico Tel 3 678 58 00 Fax 3 678 58 88 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1965t=1928 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bandwidth manager???? any idea [7:1593]
PacketShaper from www.packeteer.com Stephen Skinner wrote in message ... Guys, i need a bandwidth manager/qos system to look for mp3/napster/nudy packets going out my wan i`ve read a bit about cisco subnetwork bandwidth manager and wondered if it was any good??? any other suggestions TIA steve _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1684t=1593 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: EIGRP clarification
It reminds me more of "Life of Brian", where Brian tells the multitude "You're all individuals! You're all different!" A single voice in the crowd replies "I'm not". --Original Message-- From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 29, 2001 6:30:18 PM GMT Subject: Re: EIGRP clarification Look at all those routing technologies - they are all different; except *that* one, it's the same... Z Are you quoting Yakov Rekhter: "at a sufficiently high level, everything is the same?" Not sure I follow your point. From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: EIGRP clarification Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:19:21 -0500 Preparing for my BSCN exam, I have found myself unclear as to whether or not EIGRP is in fact a Hybrid or Distance-Vector protocol. All the Cisco classes I've been too have always referred to EIGRP as a Balanced Hybrid protocol, now studying for my CCNP, I am finding EIGRP referred to as a Distance-vector protocol???...How is this possible? Thanks... From a technical standpoint, EIGRP is emphatically distance vector. From a marketing standpoint, Cisco has called it "hybrid," which has no accepted technical meaning. Training and certification have picked up that terminology. "Hybrid" is an attempt to differentiate EIGRP, and its DUAL algorithm, from the problems of first and second generation DV protocols. JJ Garcia-Luna-Aceves, the inventor of DUAL, always has called it an advanced DV protocol, and he continues to work on even more advanced DV. There's nothing inherently wrong with DV. EIGRP legitimately has fixed some of the problems of earlier DV protocols, such as the lack of a hello subprotocol and reliable update mechanism. Without these mechanisms, periodic update becomes necessary, and the protocol can't be loop-free. Calling something "hybrid" is about as sensible as saying "route bad, switch good," or "all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others." _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FEC and multi link trunking
are they pretty much one and the same thing? _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: My CCNA test -Tips to follow
Paul, The Suresh link didn't work for some reason. Can you verify the url? Paul Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: [snip] Microsoft does. The test was true to the objectives! Purchased the CCNA = Preparation Kit from www.sureshshomepage.com and Todd Lammle's Sybex = book. Suresh has got good amount stuffs really you can make use of it. = To tell you the truth, out of the 65 questons I was asked at the real = test, about 40Qs line-by-line were from Suresh's kit. I was really = zapped.=20 [snip] Regards, Jack Nalbandian, CCNA, MCSE Network Engineer DATAFLEX - U.S. Operations 310.445.1052 x275 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.telephonyexperts.com http://www.telephonyexperts.com/ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCNP Material: What's better?
My humble opinion: Get both books, if you can afford them. Lammle [Sybex] is fantastic at making things clear and concise, but you will need the Cisco Press material for more in-depth information. -Original Message- From: Daniel Lob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 5:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNP Material: What's better? I live in Argentina. There are not many Academies where to take the courses for CCNP. So I wonder if it's enough just to study from the books, and do the labs at work. Anyway, I want to know which are the best books. Cisco Press or Todd Lammle? Daniel Lob Buenos Aires Argentina _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
