RE: CCNP test order

[William E. Gragido]

Well, for what its worth, I took and passed BSCN on Wednesday of this week
and am taking Switching next followed by Support and wrapping things up with
Remote Access.

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Brian Ledbetter
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 12:01 PM
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Subject: CCNP test order


Any recommendations as to the order of exams I should take toward my CCNP.
I know that technically it doesn't matter, as long as I finish all 4 - but I
was just wondering if anyone might have some suggestions on test order
preference... (Routing then Switching, Switching then Routing, RA, etc.).

Thanks for the help -

Brian


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RE: Does anyone know what a "fluke" is ???

[William E. Gragido]

Pradeep, you are about as subtle as a friggin heart attack.  Could you
possibly be more cutting in your tone and/or comments?

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What makes you ask this question ? Obviously you have a problem.Why not post
the problem to the group.


Fulke is more than a multi tester in the industry today.It is a very
respectable name.

I would be more interested in your problem than coaching you on finding "
more information".

-PG



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I can say it´s (was?) a great multitester also...mmm  time flies.

Mask Of Zorro wrote:

> Fluke makes all sorts of test equipment. They make some great LAN
analyzers
> for troubleshooting network problems. Some of their handheld meters are
> cheap, others are very expensive. Some of them have functionality that is
> almost like a sniffer. They are great tools! I have used them in the past
> with much success for isolating faults on LAN segments.
>
> Check them out:
>
> http://www.fluke.com/
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RE: Last Nights DC Cisco Meeting

[William E. Gragido]

Is that who they are going after?  Certification Zone?  I have been the
site, and I have not seen anything that really compromises the NDA, in fact,
most the papers that are there seem like interpretations of the cisco.com
site.  That's a shame.  Next it will be Coriolis and Sybex!

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Subject: RE: Last Nights DC Cisco Meeting


Hi,

It is the Certification Zone

Ehab
CCNP, ASE, MCSE, CNE
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?

"Nathan Casassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Think Cisco will get upset if I forward this info on?
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> To pass the CCIE lab exam you must know this:
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>
>
>
> "Christine Johnson, CCNP" wrote:
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> > Last night I attended a meeting where one of the Cisco vice presidents
> > stated that Cisco is investing 50 million dollars in protecting the
Cisco
> > CCIE.  They are going after any person that has an NDA agreement and
posts
> > things considered a violation and publishes the information on a website
or
> > book.  They stated that they were going after a guy named Howard
Berkowitz
> > for having a website that has 168 violations. They are sending him a
letter
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RE: Waants to Sell CCPREP.com password

[William E. Gragido]

Dude, you are gonna open up an all too traversed can of worms with this
one...

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CCNA/CCNP fast tracks
u have opportunity to get this site for two months more becauuse i
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RE: CCNA 2.0

[William E. Gragido]

Not for quite some time as it only became the defacto standard July 31,
2000.  I would say that you have plenty of time.

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Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 9:52 PM
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Subject: CCNA 2.0


Does anyone know when CCNA 2.0 is expected to expire?

Thanks
Terry


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RE: BSCN??

[William E. Gragido]

No IS-IS, but you must know OSPF configs, EIGRP and BGPv4 like its cool

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Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 10:49 PM
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Has anybody out there taken the BSCN test?? How was it??  Were there any
questions on IS-IS?  Mostly OSPF and BGP??

Thanks,

  AD


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RE: BSCN??

[William E. Gragido]

I would say that you are better off buying Sam Halabis book for a formidable
comparison.  I cannot really comment on Thomas's book due to the fact that I
never read it.  I can say however that the amount of BGPv4 info studied
should come from varied sources.

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Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 10:55 AM
To: 'William E. Gragido'; 'AndyD'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: BSCN??


For this exam, would you recommend that the explanation of BGP provided in
the BSCN books is sufficient or would you recommend Basaam Halabi's book,
Internet Routing Architectures, to pass the exam?  Also, what book(s) do
people recommend for this exam?

I currently have the BSCN book by Thomas M. Thomas published by McGraw Hill
ISBN 0-07-212477-6 and I don't like it.  I am only on Chapter 4 but have
already found too many typos in it.  I expect a few, but this is ridiculous.
Can anyone recommend the book by Cisco Press for BSCN?

Thanks,

Heather Buri


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Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 10:12 AM
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Subject: RE: BSCN??


No IS-IS, but you must know OSPF configs, EIGRP and BGPv4 like its cool

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AndyD
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 10:49 PM
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Subject: BSCN??


Has anybody out there taken the BSCN test?? How was it??  Were there any
questions on IS-IS?  Mostly OSPF and BGP??

Thanks,

  AD


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RE: BSCN??

[William E. Gragido]

I cannot say that there were or were not, that would violate the NDA,
however I can say that I did not spend nearly as much time studying IPX
EIGRP scenarios as I did studying IP EIGRP scenarios.

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Gopinath Pulyankote
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was there any IPX EIGRP questions?

"Timothy Metz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> I just took the BSCN today and all I used was the Cisco Press book. I read
> the book and then read it again while creating my own study guide. So far,
> the Cisco press books have not let me down one bit. If you know them, you
> will have zero problems on the test.
>
> As far as the test itself, in my case, the first two thirds were easy.
What
> I mean by that is no reading in-between the lines or remembering really
> obscure details were necessary. The last third took as long as the first
two
> thirds. The questions were challenging and required much thought. I scored
a
> 885.
>
>
> Tim
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Buri, Heather H
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 5:55 PM
> > To: 'William E. Gragido'; 'AndyD'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Subject: RE: BSCN??
> >
> >
> > For this exam, would you recommend that the explanation of BGP provided
in
> > the BSCN books is sufficient or would you recommend Basaam Halabi's
book,
> > Internet Routing Architectures, to pass the exam?  Also, what book(s) do
> > people recommend for this exam?
> >
> > I currently have the BSCN book by Thomas M. Thomas published by
> > McGraw Hill
> > ISBN 0-07-212477-6 and I don't like it.  I am only on Chapter 4 but have
> > already found too many typos in it.  I expect a few, but this is
> > ridiculous.
> > Can anyone recommend the book by Cisco Press for BSCN?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Heather Buri
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: William E. Gragido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 10:12 AM
> > To: 'AndyD'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: BSCN??
> >
> >
> > No IS-IS, but you must know OSPF configs, EIGRP and BGPv4 like its cool
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > AndyD
> > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 10:49 PM
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> > Subject: BSCN??
> >
> >
> > Has anybody out there taken the BSCN test?? How was it??  Were there any
> > questions on IS-IS?  Mostly OSPF and BGP??
> >
> > Thanks,
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RE: Lowering of standards on CCNP 2.0?

[William E. Gragido]

I would say to a certain extent you are right with the possible exception
being BGPv4.  To me, the test was challenging but not that difficult,
however some of the questions that I got on BGPv4 did not reflect the
materials that I studied regarding the protocol.  I have since acquired
Halabi's second addition though; and must say that it is a good read.

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Geoff Zinderdine
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 5:05 AM
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Subject: Lowering of standards on CCNP 2.0?


Listmembers,

I wrote the BSCN on Monday, and I must say that I was
underwhelmed.  I read Halabi and Moy's book on OSPF a
year or so ago so they weren't exactly top of mind,
and used the BSCN guide.  Even using this guide almost
exclusively I scored well over 900 with ten days
study.

I hope that I just got an easy batch of questions from
the pool.  It doesn't bode well for the value of this
certification if the bar is significantly lowered.  I
hope that they put the pass up to 790 as they did with
the ACRC.  Even at this level, it would still be a
relatively easy exam.

Does anybody else feel the same way?  I don't want to
see the value of this certification which so many of
us are spending a considerable amount of money and
time on plummet because of a relaxing of standards.

If so, perhaps we could write individually or as a
group to Cisco to recommend a reevaluation of their
passing grades/exam development.  If I am way out in
left field on this, my apologies to the list for
lowering the s/n ratio:P

Best regards,

Geoffrey Zinderdine
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RE: alternative to Cisco routers

[William E. Gragido]

Riding on the coat tails of Howard's comments, there are also other players
out there like Lucent(home of the  Nexibit N64000 Terabit Switch Router and
the Ascend product lines), Avici, Charlette's Web, Nortel etc., that offer
carrier grade solutions.

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Howard C. Berkowitz
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 1:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: alternative to Cisco routers


A few comments, in which I think I am being reasonably objective.

On this list, people periodically speak of the joys of Cisco, because
it offers end-to-end solutions.  That is a very enterprise-oriented
view.

Much more than in the enterprise space, carriers/ISPs tend to _want_
multivendor solutions. There are several reasons.  They are
protected, to some extent, from bugs in the hardware or software of a
specific implementation.  Next, if they have several qualified
vendors, they can get some protection against delivery backlogs from
one of them.  The larger provider also can play competitive discount
and service games with the vendors.

In this market, Juniper has the advantage of having built a product
as carrier-oriented from the ground up. There's a lot of bloat in IOS
due to the perception or need for legacy, usually
enterprise-oriented, features.  Independent reviewers, such as the
Tolly group, have indicated that Junipers may have as good or better
throughput than equivalent Cisco products.

No one vendor owns the entire carrier router space. Cisco's
advertising that ninety-some percent of the traffic in the internet
goes over the equipment of one company doesn't necessarily mean the
core bandwidth, but that the traffic at some point hits an enterprise
or carrier Cisco device.  In any case, I prefer the variant of this
slogan I saw in someone's .sig (hoping I don't hit a filter)
"ninety-some percent of the p*rn*graphy in the Internet goes through
the equipment of one company."  Said comment could be equally true of
Cisco's routers or Nortel's optics.

Juniper and Cisco both make fine products.


>John,
>
>I went to a BGP study session and the instructor said that major ISP use
>Juniper router to run BGP. Hope this help. PEACE
>
>
>Raheem
>
>
>>From: John Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: John Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: alternative to Cisco routers
>>Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:09:59 -0500
>>
>>Anyone who have experience with Juniper routers would like to comment on
>>its performance (M20 and 40
>>series) in comparison to Cisco GSR 12000s.  My company is in the process
>>of evaluating Juniper products
>>because we are not very happy with Cisco performance.  Our router
>>crashes almost every week which is
>>unacceptable and Cisco didn't provide much help other than giving us
>  >buggy IOS code.
>>

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RE: alternative to Cisco routers

[William E. Gragido]

Well, to be honest, Foundry plays only in the peripheral internet market
space with the BigIron Product line, however they do nothing at the core.
So, to include them in the same grouping as the others would be misleading.

-Original Message-
From: Brant Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 3:28 PM
To: William E. Gragido; 'Howard C. Berkowitz'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: alternative to Cisco routers


Not to mention Foundry...

Brant I. Stevens
Internetwork Solutions Engineer
Thrupoint, Inc.
545 Fifth Avenue, 14th Floor
New York, NY. 10017
646-562-6540

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
William E. Gragido
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 2:47 PM
To: 'Howard C. Berkowitz'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: alternative to Cisco routers


Riding on the coat tails of Howard's comments, there are also other players
out there like Lucent(home of the  Nexibit N64000 Terabit Switch Router and
the Ascend product lines), Avici, Charlette's Web, Nortel etc., that offer
carrier grade solutions.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Howard C. Berkowitz
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 1:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: alternative to Cisco routers


A few comments, in which I think I am being reasonably objective.

On this list, people periodically speak of the joys of Cisco, because
it offers end-to-end solutions.  That is a very enterprise-oriented
view.

Much more than in the enterprise space, carriers/ISPs tend to _want_
multivendor solutions. There are several reasons.  They are
protected, to some extent, from bugs in the hardware or software of a
specific implementation.  Next, if they have several qualified
vendors, they can get some protection against delivery backlogs from
one of them.  The larger provider also can play competitive discount
and service games with the vendors.

In this market, Juniper has the advantage of having built a product
as carrier-oriented from the ground up. There's a lot of bloat in IOS
due to the perception or need for legacy, usually
enterprise-oriented, features.  Independent reviewers, such as the
Tolly group, have indicated that Junipers may have as good or better
throughput than equivalent Cisco products.

No one vendor owns the entire carrier router space. Cisco's
advertising that ninety-some percent of the traffic in the internet
goes over the equipment of one company doesn't necessarily mean the
core bandwidth, but that the traffic at some point hits an enterprise
or carrier Cisco device.  In any case, I prefer the variant of this
slogan I saw in someone's .sig (hoping I don't hit a filter)
"ninety-some percent of the p*rn*graphy in the Internet goes through
the equipment of one company."  Said comment could be equally true of
Cisco's routers or Nortel's optics.

Juniper and Cisco both make fine products.


>John,
>
>I went to a BGP study session and the instructor said that major ISP use
>Juniper router to run BGP. Hope this help. PEACE
>
>
>Raheem
>
>
>>From: John Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: John Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: alternative to Cisco routers
>>Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:09:59 -0500
>>
>>Anyone who have experience with Juniper routers would like to comment on
>>its performance (M20 and 40
>>series) in comparison to Cisco GSR 12000s.  My company is in the process
>>of evaluating Juniper products
>>because we are not very happy with Cisco performance.  Our router
>>crashes almost every week which is
>>unacceptable and Cisco didn't provide much help other than giving us
>  >buggy IOS code.
>>

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RE: alternative to Cisco routers

[William E. Gragido]

Probably sent form anon mailer

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Rodgers Moore
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 3:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: alternative to Cisco routers


Am I the only one who finds this funny?   I mean, isn't John Chambers
Cisco's CEO?

Sorry for the OTM,

Rodgers Moore

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> Anyone who have experience with Juniper routers would like to comment on
> its performance (M20 and 40
> series) in comparison to Cisco GSR 12000s.  My company is in the process
> of evaluating Juniper products
> because we are not very happy with Cisco performance.  Our router
> crashes almost every week which is
> unacceptable and Cisco didn't provide much help other than giving us
> buggy IOS code.
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RE: alternative to Cisco routers

[William E. Gragido]

There ServerIronXL Layer 4-7 switches are pretty cool boxes as well.
Foundry is also pretty nice in that their command line interface is awfully
reminiscent of Cisco's.  The transition from one to the other should not be
too difficult.

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Kolp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 3:41 PM
To: 'Brant Stevens'; 'William E. Gragido'; 'Howard C. Berkowitz';
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: alternative to Cisco routers


Foundry prices are killer and the performance is top notch.

We're planning a roll out with 40 OC-12 POS. Guess who our preferred
provider is?

None other than foundry.

-ck



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Brant Stevens
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 4:28 PM
To: William E. Gragido; 'Howard C. Berkowitz'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: alternative to Cisco routers


Not to mention Foundry...

Brant I. Stevens
Internetwork Solutions Engineer
Thrupoint, Inc.
545 Fifth Avenue, 14th Floor
New York, NY. 10017
646-562-6540

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
William E. Gragido
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 2:47 PM
To: 'Howard C. Berkowitz'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: alternative to Cisco routers


Riding on the coat tails of Howard's comments, there are also other players
out there like Lucent(home of the  Nexibit N64000 Terabit Switch Router and
the Ascend product lines), Avici, Charlette's Web, Nortel etc., that offer
carrier grade solutions.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Howard C. Berkowitz
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 1:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: alternative to Cisco routers


A few comments, in which I think I am being reasonably objective.

On this list, people periodically speak of the joys of Cisco, because
it offers end-to-end solutions.  That is a very enterprise-oriented
view.

Much more than in the enterprise space, carriers/ISPs tend to _want_
multivendor solutions. There are several reasons.  They are
protected, to some extent, from bugs in the hardware or software of a
specific implementation.  Next, if they have several qualified
vendors, they can get some protection against delivery backlogs from
one of them.  The larger provider also can play competitive discount
and service games with the vendors.

In this market, Juniper has the advantage of having built a product
as carrier-oriented from the ground up. There's a lot of bloat in IOS
due to the perception or need for legacy, usually
enterprise-oriented, features.  Independent reviewers, such as the
Tolly group, have indicated that Junipers may have as good or better
throughput than equivalent Cisco products.

No one vendor owns the entire carrier router space. Cisco's
advertising that ninety-some percent of the traffic in the internet
goes over the equipment of one company doesn't necessarily mean the
core bandwidth, but that the traffic at some point hits an enterprise
or carrier Cisco device.  In any case, I prefer the variant of this
slogan I saw in someone's .sig (hoping I don't hit a filter)
"ninety-some percent of the p*rn*graphy in the Internet goes through
the equipment of one company."  Said comment could be equally true of
Cisco's routers or Nortel's optics.

Juniper and Cisco both make fine products.


>John,
>
>I went to a BGP study session and the instructor said that major ISP use
>Juniper router to run BGP. Hope this help. PEACE
>
>
>Raheem
>
>
>>From: John Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: John Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: alternative to Cisco routers
>>Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:09:59 -0500
>>
>>Anyone who have experience with Juniper routers would like to comment on
>>its performance (M20 and 40
>>series) in comparison to Cisco GSR 12000s.  My company is in the process
>>of evaluating Juniper products
>>because we are not very happy with Cisco performance.  Our router
>>crashes almost every week which is
>>unacceptable and Cisco didn't provide much help other than giving us
>  >buggy IOS code.
>>

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RE: alternative to Cisco routers

[William E. Gragido]

Are you serious? You would use a Linux box in place of a router Are you
mad man?  I mean, I am as much a fan of Linux as the next geek, however I
would not entrust routing/switching duties to it.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
anthony kim
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 7:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: alternative to Cisco routers


This is all well and good for the big time players, ISPs, big corps
yadda yadda yadda, and companies with cash to burn like so much old toilet
paper. The Small and Midsized Business market (SMB) almost always can
accomplish what they want with free Unix or Linux for layer 3 and
cheap stackable switches with or without 802.1q support.

So my obligatory cisco alternative:
www.zebra.org

On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 04:00:36PM -0600, William E. Gragido wrote:
>There ServerIronXL Layer 4-7 switches are pretty cool boxes as well.
>Foundry is also pretty nice in that their command line interface is awfully
>reminiscent of Cisco's.  The transition from one to the other should not be
>too difficult.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Christopher Kolp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 3:41 PM
>To: 'Brant Stevens'; 'William E. Gragido'; 'Howard C. Berkowitz';
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: alternative to Cisco routers
>
>
>Foundry prices are killer and the performance is top notch.
>
>We're planning a roll out with 40 OC-12 POS. Guess who our preferred
>provider is?
>
>None other than foundry.
>
>-ck
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>Brant Stevens
>Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 4:28 PM
>To: William E. Gragido; 'Howard C. Berkowitz'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: alternative to Cisco routers
>
>
>Not to mention Foundry...
>
>Brant I. Stevens
>Internetwork Solutions Engineer
>Thrupoint, Inc.
>545 Fifth Avenue, 14th Floor
>New York, NY. 10017
>646-562-6540
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>William E. Gragido
>Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 2:47 PM
>To: 'Howard C. Berkowitz'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: alternative to Cisco routers
>
>
>Riding on the coat tails of Howard's comments, there are also other players
>out there like Lucent(home of the  Nexibit N64000 Terabit Switch Router and
>the Ascend product lines), Avici, Charlette's Web, Nortel etc., that offer
>carrier grade solutions.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>Howard C. Berkowitz
>Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 1:20 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: alternative to Cisco routers
>
>
>A few comments, in which I think I am being reasonably objective.
>
>On this list, people periodically speak of the joys of Cisco, because
>it offers end-to-end solutions.  That is a very enterprise-oriented
>view.
>
>Much more than in the enterprise space, carriers/ISPs tend to _want_
>multivendor solutions. There are several reasons.  They are
>protected, to some extent, from bugs in the hardware or software of a
>specific implementation.  Next, if they have several qualified
>vendors, they can get some protection against delivery backlogs from
>one of them.  The larger provider also can play competitive discount
>and service games with the vendors.
>
>In this market, Juniper has the advantage of having built a product
>as carrier-oriented from the ground up. There's a lot of bloat in IOS
>due to the perception or need for legacy, usually
>enterprise-oriented, features.  Independent reviewers, such as the
>Tolly group, have indicated that Junipers may have as good or better
>throughput than equivalent Cisco products.
>
>No one vendor owns the entire carrier router space. Cisco's
>advertising that ninety-some percent of the traffic in the internet
>goes over the equipment of one company doesn't necessarily mean the
>core bandwidth, but that the traffic at some point hits an enterprise
>or carrier Cisco device.  In any case, I prefer the variant of this
>slogan I saw in someone's .sig (hoping I don't hit a filter)
>"ninety-some percent of the p*rn*graphy in the Internet goes through
>the equipment of one company."  Said comment could be equally true of
>Cisco's routers or Nortel's optics.
>
>Juniper and Cisco both make fine products.
>
>
>>John,
>>
>>I went to a BGP study session and the instructor said that major ISP use
>>Juniper router to run BGP. Hope this help. PEACE
>>
>>
>>

RE: alternative to Cisco routers

[William E. Gragido]

For that matter so would NT or NetWare.  If a cheap, basic routing solutions
is what someone is after any of the platforms mentioned could work, however
I can not imagine anyone recommending that in a Fortune 1000-50 environment.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Howard C. Berkowitz
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 12:36 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: alternative to Cisco routers


Depends what you mean by "route."  Linux, or other flavors of UNIX,
work reasonably well in RsD route servers with huge routing tables,
but limited numbers of peering interfaces and no forwarding
requirements.

In a small organization, these do not necessarily impose practical
limits. The major limit there is the time and skill needed for
support. Let's put it this way -- I am quite capable of designing
routers. I use commercial routers in my home office simply because I
have finite time, and I'd rather use my time for generating revenue
than doing administration.  I do administer my UNIX boxes, because I
use them for development and it's productive for me to customize
them.  My environment includes Mac, Wintel, and Sun, because either
someone supplies a particular platform and requires me to use it for
their work, or that I made a certain decision in the past (with
personal dollars) and found no compelling reason to discard a
particular architecture.

Conventional UNIX flavors are interrupt-driven. In general, real-time
operating systems are run-to-completion, because at a certain
real-time load (seen with forwarding, process control, etc.) the OS
cost of servicing interrupts is too high.  Yes, JunOS is a UNIX
derivative, but with a radically rewritten kernel. Without any inside
knowledge, I would suspect that an open implementation that resembles
JunOS would be (at the lower levels) a pthreads interface to a Mach
kernel.

Again for large organizations, forwarding does lend itself to special
hardware, or at least independent processors.  There's no reason that
the route processing for these couldn't live on UNIX/Linux.

>Why would you not trust a Linux box to route? What experience or
>documentation do you have that would lead you to believe that a properly
>configured Linux box could not or would not do the job. There are a lot of
>companies using Linux these days. One of largest distributed processing
>systems is based on large linux clusters, most of Mariott's reservation
>system is based on it. Lot's of ISP's use it as their core e-mail, and web
>systems, and I have seen some departmental use of Linux or Windows NT
>machines being used as routers.
>
>A cisco router is not that much different in architecture. At the highest
>level, It is a processor that runs a unix kernel based OS with some NIC or
>serial interfaces and an application designed specifically for routing. The
>real difference is in the software that runs on the router. There is no
>special ASIC's or processors  on the router. IT is a computer (less intel
>pentium processor except in the PIX) w/o the added multimedia and I/O
>hardware, driven by a unix kernel running software , very similiar to any
>other computer. The real difference is in the application, or software it
>runs, not it's hardware architecure.
>
>My understanding is that some of the processors found in the router are the
>same that can be found in certain Apple or Macintosh PC's and other
>non-windows based cpu's.
>
>
>This is my humble opinion based on my limited knowledge of the router
>architecture. However I agree that it would not be appropriate to place a
>linux box at the core of your network there are certainly times or
>applications and solutions where it would be fine. It is not designed
>specifically for routing, but it will certainly do the job if simple
routing
>is all that is needed.
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: William E. Gragido <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 'anthony kim' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 10:47 PM
>Subject: RE: alternative to Cisco routers
>
>
>>Are you serious? You would use a Linux box in place of a router Are
you
>>mad man?  I mean, I am as much a fan of Linux as the next geek, however I
>>would not entrust routing/switching duties to it.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>>anthony kim
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 7:24 PM
>  >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: Re: alternative to Cisco routers
>>
>>
>>This is all well and good for the big time players, ISPs, big corps
>>yadda yadda yadda, and companies with cash to burn like so much old toilet
>>

RE: Book Recommendations

[William E. Gragido]

I have that little black book, its great!  Caslow's latest addition is
outstanding as well IMHO

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
John Chang
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 10:51 AM
To: Jim Dixon; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Book Recommendations


They don't have it though.  I already checked.  Allbooksforless never seems
to have the book even though ecompare says it does.   This has happened to
me countless times.

At 09:58 AM 2/20/2001 -0600, Jim Dixon wrote:
>Allbooksforless has it listed
>for 9.99 where most others
>are 20 bucks plus shipping.
>
>http://www1.ecompare-corp.com/cgi-bin/books/nph-docompare.cgi
>I'd also recomend Cisco Routers for IP Routing, Little Black Book,
Coriolis,
>ISBN 1-57610-421-4.  It has a lot of information about the "gotchas" you'll
>find in Cisco routing.  Also, any book by Caslov is a good one.
>
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RE: protocol analyzers

[William E. Gragido]

I like SnifferPro, AGnets Etherpeek and Tokenpeek as well.

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Gary Witherspoon
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 4:08 PM
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Subject: protocol analyzers


Anybody have a good recomendation of a protocol
analyzer they have used and liked.  I have never used
one, and was hoping to see what you guys recommend.

thanks in advance

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RE: Traffic Generation Tools

[William E. Gragido]

There are several good choices for accomplishing load testing.  You can use
a Sniffer or Etherpeek to generate packets, as well as NetXray.  You can
also use tools such as those that accomplish ping floods.
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Rod M Rodericks
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 9:17 AM
To: Chris Supino; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Traffic Generation Tools


try ttcp udp ==> n one box use the r to receive and the other -t to
transmit.


that will do for now, make sure you specify the options correctly
i.e -t -l -u xx.xx.xx.xx   etc.


- Original Message -
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 12:56 PM
Subject: Traffic Generation Tools


> Off-topic:
>
> Does anyone know of a good traffic generation tool for testing network
load?
>
> Chris
>
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RE: LOL

[William E. Gragido]

heheheheyou might get a few raised eyebrows in your classes for that
one!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Bradley J. Wilson
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 5:01 AM
To: cisco
Subject: Re: LOL


I find myself sitting here wondering if I could actually say this in my
classes...I'm already pushing the envelope I think by using the "Princess Di
Never Tried to Sleep with Prince Andrew" mnemonic for the OSI Model, and one
of these days I'm going to have someone from PETA in my class when I use the
old "frog in a blender" joke when discussing the difference between hashing
and encryption...

Political correctness: it can be your friend, and it can be your enemy.

BJ


- Original Message -
From: Dennis Laganiere
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 9:16 PM
Subject: FW: LOL


How about this from:
http://cramsession.brainbuzz.com/cramsession/cisco/ccie_written/

"Split horizon - If a router has received a route advertisement from
another router, it will not re-advertise it back to the sending router.
Think of this as a sphincter - things are not sent back to where they
came from (gross, but you won't forget it, and that's the point)."

--- Dennis (the author)

-Original Message-
From: anthony kim
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02/23/2001 4:35 PM
Subject: LOL

I was flipping through the Sybex CCDA Study Guide and came upon this
in the discussion of LAPB:

"Information frames (I-frames) Transport upper-layer information and a
bit (no pun intended) of control information. I-frames schlep both
send and receive sequence numbers, and relate to jobs such as
sequencing, flow control, error detection, and recovery."

schlep!

Purchase of a CCDA Study Guide online, $30.
Yiddish technical jargon, priceless.


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RE: juniper and cisco

[William E. Gragido]

I agree with Kent,

Unless there has been an official non-biased bake off, its really hard to
say which product can out perform the other.

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 6:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: juniper and cisco


Roger,

I assume your talking about the 7200 OSR? (announced officially
on Feb. 20th)

I'll admit that I haven't worked with the 7200 OSR, or with any of
Junipers routers for that matter, but what is the basis for your
comment that it "performs and scales better than Junipers routers"?

Is this from personal experience or have you seen a head-to-head
comparison by a trusted 3rd party?  Same question goes for the
comment about the performance loss.  According to Juniper,
they're architecture is such that they don't experience loss even at
high loads.

Again, I haven't worked with Juniper but I know folks who have and
they haven't told me about the sort of problem you describe.

Are your comments from personal experience or is this "Cisco
says..."?

-Kent


--- Roger Sohn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Actually, that's not true anymore.  Cisco released
> their OC192 routers
> about 3-4 weeks ago and it performs and scales
> better than Juniper's
> routers.
>
> Juniper's equipment doesn't scale well and
> performance loss is experienced
> under a full loaded node of interface cards.
> Cisco's stuff doesn't do this
> and because of their independent architecture and
> design, everything runs at
> a carrier class level whether it has just one card
> or 8.
>
> Juniper was first to come out with the fastest
> backbone routers, but because
> Cisco retains the carrier class reliability,
> performance, and
> scalability...that's why it took them a bit longer.
> I guess it's worth the
> wait.

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RE: juniper and cisco

[William E. Gragido]

It depends on what you mean by 'better'.

-Original Message-
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cslx
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 5:56 AM
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Subject: juniper and cisco


it is said that the core technology of juniper is better than cisco now,it
that true?


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RE: Core Routers

[William E. Gragido]

>From what I have been told by people who that I know at a few of the
carriers, the Avici boxes are supposed to be extremely robust boxes.
Powerhouses if you will that come with price tag to match.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Christopher Kolp
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 10:01 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Core Routers


Yes, Yes... I know this is a Cisco mailing list.

I've been watching people go back and forth comparing
Cisco to Juniper but what about Avici??

They claim to have a great, extremely dense, product.

Anyone have any hands-on experience?

Sincerely,

Chris Kolp, CCNA
Systems Engineer
Neuron Broadcasting Technologies

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RE: Cisco misrepresents test results

[William E. Gragido]

I agree with Chris on this one,

I am about as big of a Cisco freak as you will find out there, but its not
as though Cisco has been cannonized by the Church and set above this sort of
carnal behavior, they are business and at times, though we may not always
like to admit it, fall into the same traps as do other businesses.  Its not
the organization, its the people folks.  Have a great weekend.

Go big LU!

Will ;-)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Christopher Kolp
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 2:55 PM
To: 'Priscilla Oppenheimer'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Cisco misrepresents test results


I don't understand why ya'll are so surprised.

C'mon guys (and girls), this sort of thing is NOT
new. Business is Business. Microsoft does it. Oracle
certainly does it. As do most of the major networking
players who would like to remain in business.

They just got a bit too ballsy and got caught.






> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Priscilla Oppenheimer
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:33 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Cisco misrepresents test results
>
>
> It's sad. As a big Cisco fan (and stockholder), I hope Cisco
> fires the
> marketing jerk that made them look so foolish. There was no need to
> misrepresent the results.
>
> Priscilla
>
> At 02:14 PM 3/16/01, Ian Gomeche wrote:
> >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/5/17635.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Cisco misrepresents test results
> >By: John Leyden
> >Posted: 15/03/2001 at 19:17 GMT
> >
> >
> >A publishing firm has slammed Cisco for misrepresenting the
> results of its
> >tests on high-end optical networking kit.
> >
> >Cisco claimed in a press release issued Tuesday evening that
> it, rather than
> >Juniper Networks came out on top in publisher Light
> Reading's tests of
> >Internet core routers.
> >
> >After Light Reading issued a press release complaining about
> what Cisco had
> >done, the networking giant revised partially revised its
> statement but the
> >affair has angered those involved in the testing, which took
> six months to
> >put together.
> >
> >Peter Heywood, founding editor of Light Reading, told The
> Register: "Cisco
> >has taken out factual inaccuracies in the original press
> release but we
> >still feel what it did originally was underhand."
> >
> >Light Reading commissioned tests which were carried out by
> benchmarking
> >design consultancy Network Test using Spirent Communications
> performance
> >analysis systems.
> >
> >The tests looked at Cisco's flagship 12416 router, the M160
> from Juniper and
> >kit from Foundry Networks and Charlotte's Networks, and
> found that Cisco and
> >Juniper were far superior to the competition.
> >
> >However being rated a close second wasn't good enough for
> Cisco, which has
> >60 per cent of the high-end routing market to Juniper's 30
> per cent, and it
> >decided to spin the results in its favour.
> >
> >"I'm very disappointed in this misrepresentation," said David Newman,
> >president of Network Test. "Cisco's 12416 put up some very, very good
> >numbers in this test, so the company had no need to spin it
> the way they
> >did."
> >
> >Among the points on which Light Reading believes Cisco's
> spin went into
> >overdrive are claims that it did better overall when it won
> four of 16
> >tests, compared to the 12 won by Juniper.
> >
> >Cisco's original release claimed it had won nine tests and
> also boasted that
> >it was the only kit to demonstrate Line Rate IP and MPLS
> (Multi Protocol
> >Label Switching) performance with 2.5Gbps and 10Gbps
> throughput. According
> >to Light Reading throughput on one of these tests was just
> 52 percent.
> >
> >High end optical routers will sit at the core of service
> provider networks
> >and present a huge marketing opportunity for vendors selling
> next generation
> >networking technology to telcos. Success in selling such kit will be
> >fundamental to the fortunes of firms like Cisco and Juniper,
> so it's not
> >entirely surprising that the results of one of the first
> tests on suck kit
> >has been so bitterly contested. .
> >
> >External links:
> >Network Test's results
> >Cisco's spin
> >...and the rebuttal
> >Light Reading
> >
> >Related stories:
> >Cisco pushes optical router
> >Cisco ships 10Gbps router
> >Juniper gets edgy with latest boxes
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: Frame Relay Simulator

[William E. Gragido]

Are you looking for a FR simulator or a WAN simulator?  There is an awesome
product out on the market by a company named Shunra called the 'Storm' and
the 'Cloud'.  You can manipulate network latency, standard deviation, packet
loss etc. in a variety of forms.  Whats really cool is that it integrates
with Visio and all of the admin(aside from compiling the kernel), take place
from that interface.  The only problem is its not cheap (around $20K) new;
buts its way cool.

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Bradley J. Wilson
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:17 PM
To: cisco
Subject: Frame Relay Simulator


Can anyone out there enlighten me on how to set up a frame relay simulator?
What equipment options are available, and the actual configs on the
equipment?  Thanks in advance.

BJ




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RE: Firewall

[William E. Gragido]

Its not recommended to use a router alone as a firewall device.  In many
security architectures you will find routers (aka Screening Routers),
running access-lists in conjunction with a true firewall solution that will
be using some sort of ruleset to process incoming traffic.  This may differ
in situations where PIX devices are situated however, I cannot imagine that
someone would knowingly misrepresent the functionality of these devices.

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Allen May
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:28 AM
To: John Chang; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Firewall


*nix - IP Masquerading (free)
NT - Winroute, fat-pipe, and a few others (about $300-600 depending on
licensing)
There's lots of hardware solutions out there such as NAT capable DSL/Cable
modems, etc.

I use Winroute at home and it works great.  I have a friend using IP
Masquerading and although it's more difficult to set up, it works great too.

Allen
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Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 9:58 AM
Subject: Firewall


> What do people use for a Firewall that does NAT translation?  I know you
> can use a PIX but what's the cost on the low end?  Does anyone have any
> other recommendation if the cost of a PIX is too high?  Looking for a
> software or hardware solution. It'll be used for about 40 user department.
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RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX

[William E. Gragido]

Well said!

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Liang Mark J Civ AFRL/PROI
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:01 AM
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Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX


Bravo!

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Subject:RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX

This issue is turning thisgs upside down from point of view.

I would like to tell you my opinion. If CCNA, NP, DA, DP and IE written
are not worth then your Bachelors and Graduate studies worth the same. Just
papers.

I learn to configure a cisco router before knowing all the cisco stuff.
I have a CCDA, CCNP and going for the complete set CCDA, CCNP and CCIE
complete.

I knew frame relay,atm, sna, dlsw, sdlc, ppp, ipx, switching, etc before
taking any cisco course. I took all cisco traning path version 11.2 and
just recently obtain my degrees and working for the big one.

What will be your opinion Do I know something or I am just papers?

You sould be carefull on your opinion about this things, all the knowledge
since a long time ago has been paper, No one has achieve glory after years
of practice and experience.

I was thinking that you are trying to do the same that the shareowners are
doing with the internet economy, you are devaluating the value of the
Certifications,
why don't you do the same with the college and and graduate degrees, they
are very similar just studying and passing examns not real life thing until
you pass all the levels (semesters and big exam thesis).

Giga Internetworking

Fer Saldana



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RE: What is DHCP+ ?

[William E. Gragido]

I found the following link that allude to it:

http://www.worldcom.com/about_the_company/cerfs_up/presentations/nstac/tsld0
13.phtml

It doesn't explain what it is, but it does mention it ;-)

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jap_e
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 8:05 PM
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Subject: Re: What is DHCP+ ?


The term "DHCP+" was thrown at me from a client who insist that it's a =
new version of DHCP which has something to do with authentication =
capabilities. =20

It's supposed to be some crappy claim from a certain vendor, but i don't =
know which.

I tried seaching on the web for hours on this topic, but to no avail.  =
Hmm...

Cheers, Eve

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  Subject: OT: What is DHCP+ ?


  Hello,

  Does anyone know what DHCP+ is?=3D20
  Is it another improvement on the existing DHCP protocol or something =
=3D
  else altogether?
  Another "invention" by Microsoft?
  Any links that can point me to the right direction?

  Thanks for the help!

  Cheers, Eve

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RE: new Microsoft exams tougher than Cisco's

[William E. Gragido]

I think that you may be mistaking complexity with lack of clarity regarding
the questions/tests of which you speak.  I have sat for both Cisco and
Microsoft exams and have found that most of the time Microsoft appears to be
more difficult when in actuallity they are not more difficult; only poorly
written.

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Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 8:34 PM
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Subject: Re: new Microsoft exams tougher than Cisco's


   I would agree with you Mihai , I had taken the same test as well 2 days
ago ,, it was definitely one of the toughest test I have ever taken of
Microsoft .
   I could not complete my full test in the given time .

Navin Parwal


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>
>
> Hi, group!
>
>
> I took 71-244 (Supporting and Mainaining a Windows NT 4.0 Network beta)
> today.  110 scenario-like questions in 4 hours and I think it was harder
> than any Cisco CCNP exam that I passed till now.
>
> It's not that the Microsoft stuff is too "difficult" to understand, it's
> just about the complexity of the questions.  I have never understood why
> Cisco doesn't have more complex questions (scenarios I mean) in its
> exams.  DCN is an exception, but compared with what I saw today, a Cisco
> exam is quite easy to pass.
>
>
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RE: Weekend funnies

[William E. Gragido]

LOL, I usually don't advocate non-technical discussions on this board(I
think I need to lighten up), but this is TOO funny!

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Natasha
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 11:49 PM
To: CCIE Group study list
Subject: Weekend funnies


Some years ago, the Sultan of Brunei was becoming angry as he had 6
children, all girls, and therefore had no son and heir.

Imagine his joy when one of his wives finally presented him with his
only son and heir.

 Just before his son's sixth birthday, the Sultan took him to one side
and said, "Son, I am very proud of you. Anything you want, I shall get
for you." His son replied,
"Daddy, I would like to have my own airplane." Not wanting to do
anything halfway, his father bought him American Airlines.

 Just before his son's seventh birthday, the Sultan took him to one
side.

 "Son, you are my pride and joy. Anything you want, I shall get for
you."
 His son replied, "Daddy, I would like a boat.
" Not wanting to do anything halfway, his father bought him The Princess
Cruise Lines.
Just before his son's eighth birthday, the Sultan took him to one side.

"Son, you bring so much happiness into my life. Anything you want, I
shall  get for you."
His son replied, "Daddy, I would like to be able to watch cartoons." Not
 wanting to do anything halfway, his father bought him Disney Studios
and
 their theaters, where he watched all his favorite cartoons.

 Just before his son's ninth birthday, the Sultan took him to one side,
"Son,  you are an inspiration to us all.

Anything you want, I shall get it for you." His son, who had really
gotten into the Disney cartoons, replied, "Daddy, I would like a Mickey
Mouse outfit."

Not wanting to do anything halfway, his father went and bought him
Microsoft.
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RE: CCNP Security

[William E. Gragido]

Thats out of print?  Too bad, Kent Hundley and Gil Held are favorites of
mine as well.  Their IOS IP Field Guide is also a handy little book to have
around.

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Chuck Larrieu
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 8:40 AM
To: Tommy Mitchell; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: CCNP Security


In terms of the access list parts, I still believe that the Gild Held /
Keith Huntley book Cisco Access List Field Guide is an excellent source.
Hhmmm. can't find it on Amazon. Out of print? Bad news!

Chuck

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Tommy Mitchell
Sent:   Sunday, January 07, 2001 4:46 AM
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Subject:Re: CCNP Security

In case you should stumble upon it, avoid the syngress book "Managing Cisco
Network Security."  I don't know what the Cisco Press book will be like, but
it has to be better than this collection of technical mistakes and bad
editing.  The IPSec and CBAC chapters from "Enhanced IP Services for Cisco
Networks" are excellent, so that should give you a start.  Other than that
there's nothing but docs and practice.  And that is why I believe they
increased the requirements for the Security Specialization.  The MCNS exam
is far too elementary to qualify someone as a security specialist.

Tommy

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> Does anyone know of any good books for the 4 exams now required for
> the Security specialisation.
>
> I know the Managing Cisco Network Security book by Cisco Press is due
> out. But what about the PIX and other exams.
>
> Also I wonder why they've suddenly increased the exams for this
> specialistation compared with the others.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jon

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RE: A question regarding private addressing

[William E. Gragido]

Agreed.  Apple has never truly received the credit that they deserve for
most of their offerings.  Simplicity and functionality are attributes that
help make Apple who they are, and their innovative spirit did spark
inspiration in the PC world.

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At 10:37 PM 1/6/01, John Nemeth wrote:
>On May 29,  5:24am, Craig Columbus wrote:
>}
>} OK.  I can accept that Microsoft (or Apple for that matter) would do
>} something like this and then expect the world to revolve around
>
>  Actually, as Howard mentioned, neither of these companies
>initiated the protocol

It can be argued that Apple initiated the particular protocol that we have
been discussing, that is, the Microsoft Automatic Private IP Addressing
method. The client sends a gratuitous ARP 10 times broadcasting the
network-layer address that it wants to use. If the address is in use, the
client selects another address. The creators of AppleTalk, including
Gursharan Sidhu, Ron Hochsprung, and Alan Oppenheimer own a patent that
reads essentially just like that.

The patent is from 1984. At that time IP networks were managed by computer
scientists. Apple had the brilliant idea that ordinary people could set up
and manage networks. I think we should give credit where credit is due. As
Chuck mentioned, in the 1990s Microsoft also tried to make file and print
sharing easy, but the majority of the credit should go to Apple.

Apple could have imposed the dynamic network-layer addressing patent on the
industry but perhaps it was too specific. (It has a bunch of LocalTalk
specifics in it.) Also, they probably let it go because they recognize the
value of furthering the ease of use of IP networks. People who will be
connecting their home appliances together don't want to understand IP
addressing, subnet masks, etc.! And how about ad hoc networks in training
classes, on long plane rides, in hotel lobbies, on the beach, etc. &;-)

John makes some other very good points below. I don't want to detract from
them, but I just had to make the point again about AppleTalk. It's unfair
to not do so.

Priscilla


>} them.  However, I'm confused as to the benefit.  Why would anyone want a
>} non-assigned default IP address to appear on their network?  Do they
really
>} think that people will implement a non-RFC1918 compliant address space
just
>} to save configuration time?  (Actually, I can think of several cases
where
>
>  It does save configuration time, since this is for cases where no
>configuration at all happens, most likely due to the lack of a real
>administrator.
>
>} How do Internet backbone routers (BGP ASs) deal with this traffic?
>
>  They don't.  There is a reason why this address range is called
>"link local".  It's only useful within a single network segment that
>isn't connected to any other networks.
>
>} Let's say that I want to take the easy way out and I connect a small
>} network to the Internet via an ISP.  I'm not running NAT, but I'm running
>} the 169.254 addresses inside my network. If I've got a static route to an
>
>  Then, you're SOL.  To connect to the Internet, some kind of
>configuration must happen (even, if it is just a box running NAT on the
>outside interface and a DHCP server on the inside interface).
>
>} ISP public address, and we're not exchanging routing information, I can't
>} see how this traffic would ever get back to my network.  If I'm
exchanging
>
>  It wouldn't.
>
>} routes with an ISP (via BGP or some other interior protocol), where and
how
>} do the 169.254 routes get filtered?  There has to be some mechanism, or
>
>  It should be filtered at the network ingress point.
>
>} there would be thousands of summary routes back to 169.254 showing up on
>} the Internet table.
>
>  169.254 should never ever show up on the Internet, although I
>wouldn't be surprised if it did.  I've seen some pretty large ISP's put
>RFC-1918 addresses on the global Internet, which is also a no-no.
>
>} Any help in understanding this is appreciated.
>
>  The purpose of this is to setup small impromptu isolated networks
>which often don't have an administrator with no configuration at all
>required.




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RE: Disappointed with ccnp!!

[William E. Gragido]

Even more importantly Park, you need to have the real life experience to
back up the cert.

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chris fong
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 9:49 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Disappointed with ccnp!!


I have some suggestions for you to think about. They
may or may not apply to you. Don't let that
certification go to your head. If you give the
impression to an employer that you deserve to have a
job because of your CCNP, you will not get hired.
Don't think that you are better than others because of
your CCNP. Also, your personality and attitude that
you show during interviews is critical in landing that
first job. Show that you can be a team player and can
work well and get along with almost anyone. Also look
professional when you go apply in person or for
interviews (don't go with spiked hair and a nose ring;
you get the picture?) And lastly, consider other entry
level positions, such as help desk, because you don't
have any actual work experience. Employers don't
really consider "lab" as work experience. Like I said
before, this may or may not apply to you, but you
would not believe some of the characters that I have
interviewed. Hope this helps.

Good luck,
Chris


 --- park jeongwoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi group members.
> I need your help.
> I am having a hard time on finding a job.
> I recently got ccnp certification and looking for
> the
> entry level of job for network engineer.
> I am living in San Francisco, and graduated from
> college less than a year ago.
> I have less than a year of network experience that I
> got from school computer lab.
> I had a harder time finding a job before I became
> ccnp. So I studied hard believing that  ccnp would
> get
> me somewhere at least as a entry level network
> engineer. Now I am kind of confused and disappointed
> with the fact that I am still having a hard time
> finding a job even with ccnp certification.
> I feel like I need more cisco certifications such as
> ccda, ccdp.
> Would these certification ever help me find job?
> It is really discouraging that cisco certification
> doesn+t help me much find a job at this point,
> because
> I am also pursuing ccie too. I have to ask myself
> what
> is the point of getting cisco certification.
> Lots of CCNAs are having a job. Why not ccnp?
>
> Could somebody tell me why it goes like this, and
> what
> I should do?
> Am I looking for wrong job?
>
> I will appreiciate your input.
>
> jeongwoo


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RE: Need your opinion

[William E. Gragido]

I know of one CCIE who did it in with only two years experience and and
about 6 months of study after obtaining the CCNP/CCDP

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Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 10:41 AM
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There was a regular contributor to this list (may still be lurking) who went
from a PBX tech to CCIE in about a year. I believe that he attended the four
CCNP courses. Scored a 96 on the lab.
Chad; Do you want to provide any details?

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> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 5:29 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Need your opinion
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Need your opinion here. Currently I'm (quite paper)
> CCNP. I don't have home lab nor any OSPF and BGP real
> world experience. I have limited experience in frame
> relay, RIP, EIGRP. Now if I take all CCIE related
> courses (OSPF & BGP workshop, ECP1, CCIE preparation
> training from horizon-mts, Cvoice, CATM, etc, take one
> week CCIE prep lab), and spare 3 times lab exams, what
> do you think of my chance to become CCIE ?
>
> Thank's for any input.
>
>
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RE: 700seriesInfo ISBN#s

[William E. Gragido]

The 700 is an ISDN non IOS compatable router.

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Taylor, Don
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:02 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: 700seriesInfo ISBN#s


700 Switch? I don't know of a switch in the 700 series, but there are a few
access routers - they used to be the Combinet line which Cisco bought. I
don't know of any books which cover them, except to mention they exist.

A quick search on CCO for "700 router" brought forth a wealth of
information, though.

- Don

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Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 12:22 PM
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I HAVE SEEN REFERENCES TO 700'S BUT NOT IN A BOOK. CAN ANYONE ADVISE THE
ISBN# OF ANY BOOKS THAT COVER THE 700 SERIES SWITCHES?
THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR HELP.
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RE: want to find some friends participating CCNP exam

[William E. Gragido]

Welcome aboard, are you a CCNA?

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netho
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 7:51 PM
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Subject: want to find some friends participating CCNP exam


hi, everyone. I am a newcomer for this group. I am from beijing, china, and
have work in this fields for 3 years. Now I want to take part in CCNP exam,
first one is Routing. I am eager to find some friends who have taken part
it. Any advices are appreciated. Thanks.

Bruce

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RE: Disappointed with CCNP --Original poster - Should be our poster child

[William E. Gragido]

Jeongwoo, All of the tea in China won't help someone who is only paper
certified.  I feel that you should do what all people must do at times when
an intense decision looms on the horizon; re-evaluate your situation.
Here's where I am going with that:  Ok, fine you have your CCNP, how much
experience do you have?  Before you make the mistake of over marketing
yourself, I would encourage you to evaluate yourself honestly and perhaps
you could get Chuck, Howard or Priscilla to act as sounding boards to you.
You're in a difficult position because of the time and effort that you
invested in studying for your exams, and I think we all appreciate that.
However, you will be doing yourself a sincere disservice if simply ignore
the good counsel that you are privvy to (as are all of us), based off of our
memberships and contributions to this list.  Lets add further complications
to the mix.  Let's say you go and pass the written and lab and your
experience is confined solely to sterile lab environments, how well do you
believe you will be recepted by employers?  I would imagine that regardless
of the fact that you had a number (hypothetically), you might encounter
similar disappointment in that most employers value
experience+certification.  Its a simple equation:
experience+certification=success.  If anyone sincerely disagrees with me on
this one, then I welcome the flames...bring'em on, however I maintain that
the marriage of certification+experience is what secures success and that
when people get paper crazy it only serves to degrade the value of the
certification.  My 2cents, you may begin your flamesin
five,four,three,two,one...

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Donald B Johnson Jr
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 7:28 PM
To: jeongwoo park; Groupstudy
Subject: Re: Disappointed with CCNP --Original poster - Should be our
poster child


I started in this industry in 95 after a career change, I was a Chef for 12
years, and taught music for two years before that. Third career working with
computers. I want to be a lawyer next, fourth career. Whatever!! A friend of
mine had a family member who had a small consulting business, and I started
working with them when they needed a grunt. It was during the Win95 buzz
when people would pay for you to upgrade their OS. They used to get 179$ to
upgrade a computer with a licensed copy of Win95. Unbelievable!!! The
consultant company also did a lot of rewiring too, used to be a lot of Cat3
in those walls. So we would install Cat5. I swallowed a lot of dust bunnies
in the day. Got paid 7$ an hour but it was a start, and I would do it all
again because like you, I (and many here) love it. Now I have a great
position and great pay, the best part is, it's like I don't have a job, but
am getting paid for my hobby. So good luck Jeongwoo you will find something,
I know how you feel I was there. With the attitude you expressed in your
last post, you should be the poster child for all that is good about this
group, and certification, and this profession.
Duck


- Original Message -
From: jeongwoo park <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Groupstudy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 7:55 PM
Subject: Disappointed with CCNP --Original poster


> Hi group members!!
> I am the original poster of this thread.
> First of all, I appreciate your encouragements,
> concerns and even criticizing point. I received more
> replies than I expected.
>
> There were some people who made a point on removing my
> ccnp cert from my resume.
> It was not only thoughtful suggestion, but also scary
> suggestion, because I felt that removing it from my
> resume was like 7 months of ccnp prep going down the
> drain all of a sudden.
> However, I made up my mind not remove it.
> My intension of listing ccnp on my resume was to show
> how much interest I have on networking. I believe that
> there is clear difference between ccna without
> experience and ccnp without experience. If I were
> employer, I would hire ccnp without experience because
> there is obviously difference between these two guys
> in terms of the amount of technical knowledge and
> potential performance that he or she might make.
> As some members mentioned, lots of people consider
> their careers from IT industry because of money. I
> agree with them not only I am partly one of them, but
> also money can be one of strong motivation in
> advancing their living condition. But money doesn't
> give me enough motivation as my interest in networking
> does. I didn't even consider CCNP. I was going to
> start to look for a job after I got MCSE and CCNA
> certifications.
> But I couldn't stop my interest in knowing more on
> network knowledge.
>
> There might be some people who would say, " none of
> these guys would be hired."
> Well, the biggest irony that I have is that who is
> going to start his or her career in IT industry if
> everyone is looking for only experienced eng

RE: CCIE LAB Practice

[William E. Gragido]

Check out Fatkid.com, they have pretty descent virtual racks and scenarios

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±èÈï¼ö
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 7:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CCIE LAB Practice


Hi all

 I have completed the CCNA and CCNP, CCIE written Exam, and I am preparing
for the CCIE
Lab, you would please advise me of any practice CCIe-lab?

Would you also offer any tip or study method?


heung su kim


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RE: Boson vs. Colt ??????

[William E. Gragido]

Lets start another list dedicated to ethics shall we?  These
arguements(regardless of how valid they are), should be confined to a
separate list.  Paul, what do you think?  It should be known by now that the
list in and of itself does not advocate piracy, however that does not
guarantee that individuals do/or do not.  I would say that in an effort to
be proactive, these types of posts/threads should be either addressed
privately or confined to the realms of a separate list.  Have a happy ;-)

Will

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John Huston
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:05 PM
To: 'Tony van Ree'; 'Stephen Skinner'; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Boson vs. Colt ??


Please do not send me any other emails.  I don't have and don't want to have
the damn crack.  I said you should BUY the exams.

> -Original Message-
> From: Tony van Ree [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 3:42 PM
> To: Stephen Skinner; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Boson vs. Colt ??
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Define "FREE" when all of a sudden something either nol
> longer exists or has a price hike because some clown knocks it off.
>
> These things cost time and money to produce and are ongoing
> in research etc.  There is a chance you could be doing all a
> disservice.
>
> Sorry I disagree on this one.  They don't seem to be all that
> expensive yet anyway.
>
> Teunis
> Hobart, Tasmania
> Australia
>
>
> On Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 07:07:03 PM, Stephen Skinner wrote:
>
> > I AM ABOUT TO BECOME REALLY UNPOPULARbut i have a crack
> for ALL the
> > BOSON test so you can get the FULL version for FREE.
> >
> > anybody!..
> >
> > Sorry priscilla
> >
> >
> > >From: "John Huston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: "John Huston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: Boson vs. Colt ??
> > >Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:27:53 -0600
> > >
> > >Buy all of the Boson tests for the subject test that you
> are going to take
> > >test your knowledge.  The COLT tests are poorly written
> but will help you
> > >with the "flavor" of the actual Cisco certification exam.
> > >
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > >""Rah Sta"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > To All,
> > > >
> > > > Which practice exams are better for CCNP, Boson or
> Colt? Example: BCRAN
> > > > Opinions appreciated. Thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Raheem
> > > >
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RE: BOSON CRACK - Don't do it!!

[William E. Gragido]

I wrote a response to this original thread and I am not sure that it was
posted, but I will summarize by saying that these types of discussions
should be taken off line or on another list.  Why you may ask?  Well, here
is what I think:  If you read Paul's terms page, advocating piracy is not
allowed; simply put if someone has a crack or generator they should not be
posting it on this list.  It is not wise from the vantage point of
'groupstudy' to support what is obvisouly a controversial/ethically
challenged subject.  Does this guarantee that a person will not be able to
access these types of cracks/generators?  Not hardly, but rather it implies
that this group is not the forum for debate and or discussion with regards
such issues.  So what is the solution?  I don't know, however what I do know
is that people will trade amongst themselves regardless of the chastising
that they may receive here.  Ok, let the flames begin


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Cthulu
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 11:05 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: BOSON CRACK - Don't do it!!


Natasha,

Ethics and honesty aside, that is a good point you made.  Any yabob with
access to BackOrifice and its components such as silk rope can very easily
modify the executeable to perform certain tasks and to listen on certain
ports.

Thanks for reminding us about that.

Charles


"Natasha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> I wouldn't suggest using this crack and it has nothing to do cheating
> the company or the software designers. That alone raises my dander! The
> crack that you found may or may not work however it's a small executable
> program written by some unknown hacker that's most likely makes registry
> changes and anything else it decides to do. Have you ever considered
> that it may be a time bomb Trojan?
> And you just invited it in
> I'm glad that you're not on my network!
> Natasha
>
>
> >micheal jackson wrote:
> >
> > i don`t know what all the fuss is about so i will give you the crack
> >
> > WWW.ASTALAVISTA.BK  SEARCH FOR BOSON ...DOWNLOAD FILEI HAVE
ENCLUDED
> > IT IN THIS E-MAIL
> >
> > KEYGEN V3.22 WORKS ON ALL VERSION INCLUDIONG THE CURRENT I DOWNLOADED
> > YESTERDAY.
> >
> > SEE YA
> >
> > Mike
> >
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RE: wrong subnet

[William E. Gragido]

Looks pretty standard to me as well.  Internal  10.x.x.x with a
class C subnet.

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Christopher Larson
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 8:04 AM
To: 'Natasha'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: wrong subnet



I don't see anything wrong or illegal about the address. Also, addressing
within the range of IP's you are given is a matter of preference. That is
the gateway could have any address you want to give it. Some engineers
choose to give it the first available IP in the range or the last, which may
be good practice, but is only a matter of choice.  IT could be anything in
the same subnet.




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Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 8:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: wrong subnet


It may be legal but still not correct.

One thing that seems a bit odd though, the gateway is generally a
smaller number then the node.
I've never seen it larger but hey I've seen stranger things.
Natasha
just a CCNA lol

Eric Fairfield wrote:
>
> Looks legal to me.
>
> --
> Eric Fairfield
> CCIE #6413
>
> ""Dennis Ighomereho"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > hello everyone,
> > someone has just given me an IP address to use which i think the subnet
is
> > wrong or know is wrong.can someone just confirm this.
> >
> > Ip address:10.1.245.253
> > mask:  255.255.254.0
> > gateway10.1.245.254

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RE: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 1 point short

[William E. Gragido]

Could the same effect be gained from a protein supplement?  I will try it
for my next exam on Sunday and report the results!

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Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 10:45 AM
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Subject: AW: AHH 1 point short


I always try to get 40 minutes of strenous exercise about 2 hours before an
exam--Then I eat some fruit before going in, an orange or something. Of
course I always go out for a few beers(or Vodka Redbulls) after the
exam(pass or fail there is always a good excuse). The most important thing
to me is  not to go in paralysed with fear but also to maintain a healthy
respect for the test.  I like the fish idea though and will try it on Feb
6th when I take my next test

stu

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Ole Drews Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Gesendet am: Thursday, January 18, 2001 4:59 PM
An: 'Ray Mosely'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Betreff: RE: AHH 1 point short

This may sound odd, but I always have fish for dinner the night before an
exam - that makes my brain work a little better. I guess it's the protein or
something, I don't know - haven't passed the FISH 2.0 exam yet :-)

Also, I always drink a coke an hour before the exam, so I don't find my self
sleeping when the time is up.

Ole


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Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 9:35 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: AHH 1 point short


Generally speaking, it is recommended that a person
get a really good night's sleep two nights before an
upcoming event, with the thought in mind that the
night before will be stressful sleep no matter what.

I usually try to live up to this advice, and it
works for me.

Ray Mosely
CCNA, MCSE

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Charles Henson
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 8:28 AM
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Subject: Re: AHH 1 point short


I feel your pain. Scored a 69 on Tuesday morning. Taking it again in 5
hours. For three days before the last test I didn't get but 2-3 hours a
night. I totally overstressed myself. So i'm not cramming at all for this
one. I've casually gone over some notes and focused on some things and I
feel more prepared than before. I'll repost this afternoon.

Charles


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> I was so nervous about taking the test I only slept 3 hours last night.
The
> test isn't too bad and looking back on it I feel I over analyzed many of
> the questions and a handful had me stumped.
>
> 1 question just cost me $200 :), Well I am going to try the exam again
> tomorrow if I sleep well, can find the answers to about 10 questions that
> stumped me(For safe measure) and can get a seat.
>
> Thanks everyone for the help,
>
> I may have some questions for the group later if I can not find some
> answers I am looking for.
>
>
> -Eric
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RE: Business Proposal for CCIE lab: kick him

[William E. Gragido]

Hey, now, lets keep everything copasetic shall we?

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Subject: Re: Business Proposal for CCIE lab:kick him


Indian Jerk

Pradeep Kumar wrote:

> Can we expect something intelligent.
> The only thing I can give you off line is a kick on your
backside.Actually, I dont have time for it.Give me your VP's mail id. He
might do it better.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent:Sat, 20 Jan 2001 01:35:42 -0800
> To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Business Proposal for CCIE lab
>
> I would appreciate hearing feedback from others on the proposal I am
> planning to present to the VP of my department for the plan of paying
> for my studying for the CCIE lab.
> Anyone interested in helping me, contact me off-list.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jim
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RE: CCIE reading: TCP/IP by Doyle Vol.1 or 2

[William E. Gragido]

I have already ordered Caslow's 2nd edition, and can't wait to get it!

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FYI, Halabi and Caslow have both recently published their 2nd editions.  I'm
looking forward to Doyle Vol 2

Arthur Stewart


Eric Gunn wrote in message
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>Hello,
>
>I am looking at obtaining the books that are "Required reading" for the
>CCIE lab, according to www.ccbootcamp.com. I have heard great things about
>their perpetration labs and plan to buy them as soon as I can get my lab
>pieced together from optsys.
>
>The books listed are:
>
>Internet Routing Architectures, Bassam Halabi
>CCIE Prof. Development Routing TCP/IP Volume I, Jeff Doyle
>Cisco Certification Bridges, Routers, and Switches for CCIE's, Caslow
>Cisco Lan Switching (CCIE professional development)
>Cisco Catalyst Lan Switching Louis R Rossi, Louis D. Rossi, Thomas Rossi
>
>
>I noticed the TCP/IP book by Doyle has a Volume 1 and Volume 2. The first
>book  seems to be the foundation book while the second one goes into BGP.
>Multicasting, etc.
>
>The Architecture book by Halabib is a must have, from everyone that has
>read it. It  seems to be heavy in BGP more than other exterior routing
>protocols. Is Doyle vol 2 worth reading back to front or are their better
>reads one the list for that information?
>
>Thanks,
>
>-Eric Gunn
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RE: On topic: Am I the only one that would like Pradeep Kumar to eithershut up or go away?

[William E. Gragido]

Not to mention the fact that its poor form to operate that way on a public,
peer driven forum and that since we are colleagues by virtue of our trade,
it leaves much to be desired in regards to wanting to ever work with you.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Dave Swink
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 7:31 PM
To: John Day; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: On topic: Am I the only one that would like Pradeep Kumar
to eithershut up or go away?


Pradeep,

Your immature, fantastically egotistical, and vicious comments are a
frequent cause of discord on this list.  You have been reprimanded several
times.  Take it to heart and change your behavior.  Or go away.

I remember several months ago when you were desperately searching for a job.
Have you ever stopped to think about how many potential employers are
getting an incredibly bad impression of you?  This field is surprisingly
small at the senior level.  If you have a hard time with courtesy, at least
try some enlightened self-interest.

Dave Swink

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> John Day
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 6:14 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: On topic: Am I the only one that would like Pradeep Kumar to
> eithershut up or go away?
>
>
> Dear Pradeep Kumar,
>
> If you don't start to act like a responsible member of this
> message group, I
> am going to ask the moderator of the group to remove you.
>
> You don't add anything positive to the discussion, and in fact, only cause
> trouble. Please go away. You appear to be a thoroughly disagreeable chap.
> You also seem to ask some stupid questions of your own from time to time,
> like the one about starting a thread on snmp. If you want a thread on
> something, then START ONE. Otherwise, If you don't have anything
> positive to
> contribute, then keep your mouth shut.
>
> You obviously don't understand "normal" discussion group conduct. You also
> obviously don't understand acceptable versus unacceptable
> comments. I doubt
> that you are anything close to being a "protocol guru". If you were, you
> wouldn't act like such a JERK.
>
> FYI, regarding your latest stupid comments, I am the senior manager of a
> global network. For your information, I have fully funded a large
> CCIE study
> lab at my office, and also buy my Cisco people books, pay for their exams
> (passing grades only) and send them to schools. Any my VP didn't
> kick me in
> the butt for doing it.
>
> jd102750
>
>
>
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RE: 3 down, 1 to go...(passed BCRAN)

[William E. Gragido]

Oz has not posted on here in a LONG time man, I thought I was the only who
remembered.

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Steve H
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 11:10 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 3 down, 1 to go...(passed BCRAN)


In my case.. 1 down, 3 to go..

Congrats Mark.. I just finally got myself back on the study train myself,
and took the BCMSN Switching test today. I've been out of the study game,
and out of GroupStudy for about a year now (Sorry guys & gals!!!) ;-)

Well.. I finally found the motivation again, and passing todays test helped!
I also found myself not studying as dilligently as I could have. In the end,
I made it thru on 2 things.  Personal experience and 2 days of cramming with
the Cisco Press BCMSN Exam Certification Guide.  I broke down & bought it as
a last minute desparation move, as the Cisco Press BCMSN "course book" was
putting me to sleep every day by chapter 2.. (Theory is soo boring!!).

With only 2 days with the cert guide, I crammed the sample test & read the
chapter Q&A quizzes over & over.. and on the topics I didn't fully
understand, I read over as much of the chapter as I could to fill in the
mental blanks.

I do think I got a bit lucky, as there were a few area's I still feel weak
in, but either got no questions on those area's, or barely 1 or 2.

So, the concensus is that BCRAN is the easiest? Interesting. I thought
todays test was easier than I expected, but still enough to cause a bead or
2 of sweat..  Personally, I know I'm horrible at things like Async configs..
but ISDN I find rather easy.

If anyone is still around from the last time I haunted the list (Chuck..
Tony.. Ozzie.. Paul.. anyone... Buehler.. Buehler.. ) they'll probably
remember why.. but that was in another life ;-)

Interesting that everyone thinks CIT is the worst. Personally, I'm setting
aside 3 weeks hard study time for BSCN Routing as the hardest. I'm on a
tight personal goal schedule. 1 test every 2 weeks, but again, 3 for BSCN.
So, tomorrow I schedule the CIT and hit the books. I suspect I have an
advantage, in that most of my experience is raw troubleshooting. It's also
mostly in routing, over switching, but the BSCN goes into a depth I haven't
learned from experience yet. So, I'm planning heavy studies for that one.
CIT I'm more secure about.  Hopefully, it's not overconfidence..

If all goes well.. we (my test partner) should see CCNP accomplished by
mid-March.  As she likes to say "Failure is not an option" ;-) Then
again.. one does not always need immediate gratification to achieve success.
But.. drive on we must!

Steve-H@ .. oh wait.. nevermind. Now it's just:
--
-
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hey Group,
>Just wanted to share my victory today over the BCRAN. Went in very
> unprepared  (first time going in feeling unsure) but still passed. I
barely
> studied for this one and my score reflected upon that but I still knew my
> stuff and passed. I have to agree with the masses when I say that this
test
> was very, very easy. I wouldn't even say that this was a 10th as hard as
the
> switching or routing 2.0's. Well, I got one more to go (dreaded CIT) and
then
> I can change my signature (it's about time) from CCNA, CCDA...to CCNP,
CCDA.
> God I can't wait.   =o)
>
> On a side note: The only thing I used to prepare for this test was
Lammle's
> Remote Access. I personally feel this book was great. I barely studied and
> got a 762. If I had put more time into it I'm sure his book could have
scored
> me in the 900s. I recommend it to anybody pursuing the BCRAN. Thanks all
and
> now it's time to start studying for the CIT (Feb. 13...think I may change
> that 13 though, just not a good number)...
>
> Mark Z. CCNA, CCDA, 3/4-NP (1 to go)
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RE: Would you back-burner your CCIE training for...

[William E Gragido]

I have to admit that Dale hit the nail on the head with this last reply.  I
worked a VC board held Prosvcs firm and had options, lots of themwhere
my buying price was .71 cents a sharethe organization had some extremely
bad things happening in upper management and finicially and they ended up
cutting 25% of their consulting staff.  As a result our options were not
worth squat and most of us ended up leaving before the lay offs occurred.
Lesson learned, options are simply a carrot which is dangled in front of the
ass.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Dale Holmes
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 9:07 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Would you back-burner your CCIE training for...
>
>
> >I work for an SBC affilliate, so I can only hope that the upper
> >management from SBC have finally taken the red pill.
> >
> The arrival of the spaceships has been delayed, do not eat the pudding.
> REPEAT - DO NOT EAT THE PUDDING!
> >
> >
> >My question to all is, would you back burner your CCIE training for a
> > >while for a chance of the options which you'll know the value of in a
> > >short amount of time, or would you rather pass because CCIE is a must,
> > >ASAP?
> >
>
> What are you, nuts?!?! Options are TOTALLY WORTHLESS, unless you
> can vest in
> them fully within the first year. Internet startup??? I don't
> care who the
> management is or who the VC is, they are going under before you vest. If
> they are not totally gone, the stock price will certainly
> plummet, and there
> goes the value of your options... The stock will most likely
> climb rapidly
> in the first year, and that is where you will earn your money. By
> the time
> you vest (usually 4 or 5 years), those options won't be worth the
> paper that
> the offer was printed on.
>
> Don't think so? Look at Netscape, ToySmart, and countless others...
>
> F**k options. You want to motivate me? Pay for my CCIE cert - books,
> classes, practice labs, exams... When I pass, kick my salary in
> the ass...
> that's something I can count on.
>
> Dale
> [=`)
>
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RE: Passing score

[William E Gragido]

Yes, its 822 out of 1000.   So basically its 82% out of a 100%

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> 
> 
> Can someone please tell me the passing score for the new CCNA 2.0 exam?
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RE: line down

[William E Gragido]

Thats great to hear Jason!  I am glad that the your hard work paid off!

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Yee, Jason
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 8:01 PM
> To: 'Plantier, William'; Felice Russell
> Cc: Cisco Groupstudy
> Subject: RE: line down
>
>
> thanks for all your kindness and help , I have finally isolated is a modem
> problem
>
> Jason
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Plantier, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 10:06 PM
> To: Felice Russell; Yee, Jason
> Cc: Cisco Groupstudy
> Subject: RE: line down
>
>
>
> You might want to check your clocking also.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From:   Felice Russell [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent:   Thursday, September 14, 2000 8:51 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: Cisco Groupstudy
> > Subject:line down
> >
> > Jason -
> > Have you checked the status of DTR (etc) under the show
> interface seril #
> > command? If you are in fact getting signel- you want to check to see if
> > the
> > lmi are communicating. Basically this should happen if the switch and
> > router
> > are communicating. If they are not - verify you are using the
> correct lmi
> > setting onthe interface withthe carrier. If that checks out - a
> reload is
> > a
> > good idea. If fundamental changes (to say a dlci) are made many
> times the
> > interface does not responce properly unless it is either shut down and
> > restarted or the router reloaded...
> > Good Luck,
> > Felice
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RE: >>> CCO LOGIN REQUIRED <<<< Please help <<

[William E Gragido]

I have to agreee here, Cisco makes it extremely evident that violations of
the NDA and other things could result in the loss of certificationso go
to www.cisco.com and head for the 'register' section for the CCO.  You
should be able to acquire one there.

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 4:01 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: >>> CCO LOGIN REQUIRED  Please help <<<
>
>
> In a message dated 9/16/00 3:58:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>
> << I have required the CCO login, kindly reply directly to my e-mail
> address below, if you have CCO login or I can trade off it against
> anyhitng you require.
>  >>
>
> Go to Cisco.com and get one of your own...
>
> Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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> it is not a
> thing to be waited for, it is a thing to be achieved."
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RE: You were good ,but biased too.good luck anyways,

[William E Gragido]

Raymond was and is a good fellow.  I am sorry to see him go and wish that he
have a speedy recovery.  God Speed Ray!

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> alex campbell
> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 8:38 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: You were good ,but biased too.good luck anyways,
>
>
> Pradeep,
> Your conduct is disgraceful, your timing appaling, your lack of sincerity
> embarassing.
> Rest assured that were you inclined to treat me with the same
> contempt and
> sheer bloody-mindedness at such a traumatic period in my life I
> would not be
> as graceful as Raymond.
>
> There is no place for people like you, on the global internet, or
> otherwise.
> Alex
>
>
> >From: John Neiberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: John Neiberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: You were good ,but biased too.good luck anyways,
> >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:50:07 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Good grief, Pradeep, get the he** off of your soapbox, will ya??
> >
> >You have absolutely no idea how to conduct yourself in an appropriate
> >manner, and this posting proves that out.  When wishing someone
> well, why
> >do
> >you feel it necessary to bring up old arguments?
> >
> >Raymond is a highly respected member of this list, and your post
> shows why
> >you may never reach that same status.
> >
> >Simply wish him well, let bygones be bygones, and let it rest!
> >
> > >  That your medical condition will be taken care of is
> > >  assured. You wil get the best med care in this country.You
> > >  have a strong will to take care of what medicines cant.
> > >
> > >  But Sir, you were biased in this tech forum. Biased to
> > >  CCIE. Admit that.I can re-direct your postings to you to
> > >  show that.
> > >
> > >  Non-CCIE also can build and support networks.
> > >
> > >  You take care Raymond. BTW, how many people from this forum
> > >  have you really "placed"  Any figures ?
> > >
> > >
> > >  --- Raymond Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >  > Laughter is the best medicine and I am a fighter. I
> > >  > survived cancer when I
> > >  > was 16 and that made me grow and mature faster than most.
> > >  > I will also miss
> > >  > this group for all the good times we had and for the vast
> > >  > amount of
> > >  > knowledge absorbed in this tiny little brain of mine!
> > >  >
> > >  > Again, thank you and the rest of this group for
> > >  > everything.
> > >  >
> > >  > Best regards,
> > >  >
> > >  > Raymond Thomas
> > >  > Lewis Consultants International, Inc.
> > >  > 295 Northern Blvd Suite 302
> > >  > Great Neck, NY 11021
> > >  > (516)498-2300 ext. 103
> > >  > (516)498-1749 fax
> > >  > (917)444-1334 pager
> > >  > Web: http://lewisconsultants.com
> > >  > 
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > -Original Message-
> > >  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >  > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > >  > Rodgers Moore
> > >  > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 6:49 PM
> > >  > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >  > Subject: Re: Tomorrow is my last day as a consultant on
> > >  > this group
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > Raymond,
> > >  >
> > >  > It has been our pleasure to have you amoung us.  You are
> > >  > definately the
> > >  > exception to the rule and will be missed because of it.
> > >  > If I hear any good
> > >  > jokes, I'll forward them.  I hear laughter is the best
> > >  > medicine.
> > >  >
> > >  > Good luck and GET WELL,
> > >  >
> > >  > Rodgers Moore
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > ""Raymond Thomas"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> > >  > in message
> > >  >
> > >  news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >  > > To all my friends on this board, my last day is
> > >  > tomorrow (22nd of Sept.).
> > >  > I
> > >  > > want to thank the group for all the kind words and
> > >  > support. I had made
> > >  > some
> > >  > > close friends from this group... you all know who you
> > >  > are.
> > >  > >
> > >  > > As many of you know, I have to get treatment for a
> > >  > medical condition that
> > >  > I
> > >  > > came down with last month, so I will be out of the
> > >  > recruitment world for
> > >  > an
> > >  > > indefinite amount of time... the shorter the better =)
> > >  > I will be in LA to
> > >  > be
> > >  > > close to my fianc? and to meet the specialized doctors
> > >  > my father had
> > >  > > recommended (he's also a doctor).
> > >  > >
> > >  > > I do want to say that I had learned a lot from this
> > >  > group, and also loved
> > >  > to
> > >  > > share my two cents at times. I had placed a few people
> > >  > from this group and
> > >  > > also helped indirectly. A lot of people directly
> > >  > emailed me for advice on
> > >  > > their career and loved helping out whichever way I
> > >  > could. I want to still
> > >  > be
> > >  > > able to do that for all of those that need some advice
> > >  > or direction. Here
> > >  > is
> > >  > > my personal email account: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  and
> > >  > my

RE: US DOD. How do they do it?

[William E Gragido]

First off, if you were truly working with a Defense Data Communications
Group that needed information on US datacomm prots etc, and they were part
of our Allies you would not need to ask.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Ray Mosely
> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 8:39 AM
> To: wdwdawd wadwadad; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: US DOD. How do they do it?
>
>
> To quote from Mission Impossible:
> Who are you?
>
> Ray Mosely, CCNA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> wdwdawd wadwadad
> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 8:40 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: OT: US DOD. How do they do it?
>
>
> Are there any listers with knowledge of Defense
> networks out there.  I am working with a defence type
> organisation (western world; not saddam!) and need
> info on how the US DOD use cisco in their services.
>
> For example do they rely on cisco's implementation of
> IPSEC for non classified traffic or do they just send
> in the clear on a private network.
> Do they utilise public networks.
> Do they utilise THE public network eg VPNS to remote
> sites?
> Do they outsouce portions of there network for
> "connectivity only" and implement their own controlled
> security at higher layers?
>
> I guess the minimum level of security for even
> non-class info would be 3des and classified would be
> sent on a completely seperate hardware (kgxxx)
> encryption based network.
>
> Do they utilise the catalyst range of switches and if
> so how do they maintain high levels of security at
> layer 2.  What stops the cleaner plugging in his
> lappie, dhcp'ing an address and shoot'n some nukes?
>
> Are there any US DOD public web pages on how they use
> cisco technology?
>
> There are many examples of other types of organisation
> (not in the killing industry) that also have a
> requirement for TOP SECRET levels of network security.
>  Are there any public web sites with examples of
> implementations?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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RE: ccda

[William E Gragido]

I am not sure on the score Robert, but i know that there are around 85
questions.  I am taking it next Sunday at 1:30PM.

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>
> I'm taking the ccda exam on Monday.  Does anyone know what the
> passing score
> is?  Thanks!
>
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RE: CCNA

[William E Gragido]

I would suggest grabbing a copy of Coriolis's Exam Cram for the CCNA
640-507.  Its a very concise, well written strait forward book that I
believe is a nice resource.

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> Hi there,
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> ICND and ICRC Cisco Press books are best books for passing CCNA
>
> Best luck,
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> Sanjay
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RE: ACRC v. BSCN

[William E Gragido]

Dude, I am in class this week(today was the first day), for the BCSN and its
way different than the ACRC.  More focus on Distanve Vector/Link State
Protocols, Address summarization and from the look of the text, BGP.

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>
>
> For those who had the occasion to either take (or compare) the
> ACRC and BSCN
> exams, did you feel they were very, somewhat or not similar?  I've been
> reviewing the ACRC guide to keep that info fresh, awaiting the BSCN guide,
> and wonder if this is a good idea or bad.  I also wonder that, if
> one knows
> ACRC, will one have a good foundation for the BCSN (say a good
> 60% to 70% of
> the knowledge) or are they too dissimilar of a guide/course to carry each
> other?
>
> Any thoughts would be appreciated...even off line!
>
>
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RE: CCDA logos, t-shirt, certification, card?

[William E Gragido]

You get a great big hug! Hehehe...

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> 
> 
> So once one passes the CCDA, what does one get? t-shirt? 
> certificate? card?
> 
> --
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RE: DR/BDR in OSPF

[William E Gragido]

Thats a very simplified way of looking at it.  The DR is in its position due
either to election or priorty.  Now, elections and priority can be
influenced by several things such as a router outage(where in the BDR, after
waiting the alotted amount of time for the timer to run out between LSAs,
promotes itself to the position of DR and allows for a new BDR to be
'elected), or manual maniplation of the priority of the router.  Anyways,
the DR does not 'flood' the network with updates(you may be confused with
the way in which link state protocols propagate their status' via 'hello'
packets and the way in which IPX SAPs a network...just a thought ;-).  The
DR will only send out an update if their has been a change in the topology
of the network(router outage, link down etc.), or in the of a dispute of
current information in routing tables. Hope that clarifies things a little,
mine too is a very simplistic view of the way Designated and Backup
Designated Routers operate within OSPF architectures.

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>
>
> Guess who?
>
> I understand that the DR sends the link state update to all adjacent OSPF
> routers.  Essentially flooding the network.
>
> The router that detected the change to the link state directly
> sends the LSU
> to the DR and BDR.
>
> my tiny brain not working
>
> Anyone differ, please feel free.  Just helping out...hopefully.
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RE: Juniper

[William E Gragido]

Title: Juniper



Why 
are they generating so much excitement? Because they route IP REALLY, REALLY 
fast and that there are several refugees from Cisco, including some who used to 
write code for the IOS employed by them.  This doesn't necessarily make 
them better, but I would imagine that cost+reputation has something to do with 
it.  Do you work for a carrier or ISP?  Most of Juniper's boxes are 
backbone routers and are seen in those environments.  

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nova RichSent: 
  Thursday, September 28, 2000 4:56 PMTo: 
  '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: Juniper
  Help guys, 
  My company wants to buy Juniper routers instead of Cisco. 
  Having never worked with Juniper equipment before I don't know why it's so 
  good.
  I'm told that it's faster, cheaper and has a smaller foot 
  print? What's a foot print? Is it really better then Cisco? 
  Nova Rich 

RE: Juniper

[William E Gragido]

I am with Casey on this one.

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>
>
>
> A footprint is the amount of floor space the device takes up.  Smaller is
> often better, especially in a crowded lab or service bureau.
>
> As to which is better, that depends on what criteria you are applying.
> Generally speaking, Juniper equipment is considered to be
> comparable to and
> in some cases better than similar Cisco routers in terms of performance.
> You will typically get more bang-for-the-buck with Juniper.
>
> OTOH, there is a much smaller population of Juniper-jockeys and therefore
> there will be a learning curve with the product.  "Nobody ever
> got fired for
> buying Cisco...".  In addition, Cisco has a more diverse and extensive
> product base, so it is possible in many cases to have an all-Cisco shop,
> thus saving on training and related expenses.
>
> BTW, Juniper focuses exclusively at the high-end (ATM switches, etc.).
> AFAIK, Juniper does not field any workgroup type products.
>
> HTH,
>
> Casey
>
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> >
> >I'm told that it's faster, cheaper and has a smaller foot print? What's a
> >foot print? Is it really better then Cisco?
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RE: Juniper

[William E Gragido]

?

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Shahid Muhammad Shafi
> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 5:28 PM
> To: Jean Stockton
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Juniper
>
>
> to me its same like microsoft to Linux. When microsoft
> NT was leading everybody was following it MCSE stuff
> etc but always they used to say its Crap now u say
> cisco is crap and juniper is cool. kindly ack Cisco
> for becoz ur in Internetworking field. It motivated u
> to learn. And now juniper is having a free ride on
> Cisco developerd Engineers
> I have this
> --- Jean Stockton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > juniper stock are out performing cisco at this time
> > - sure cisco does a lot
> > of acquisitions.206 pr sh  vs   55.5 pr sh is a
> > significant difference.
> > my good guess is that there will be enough out there
> > for all.  as someone
> > said, be prepared to work with all.
> >
> >
> > m
> >   .
> >
> >
> >
> > Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Leon
> > Bass
> > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 4:27 PM
> > To: MR
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Juniper
> >
> >
> >   Like everything else, When it's new everyone wants
> > a piece, can you talk
> > to anyone who has used it for at least 5 years, I
> > doubt it.
> >   Whoever is placing the future of their company on
> > this brand new
> > technology better think twice.
> >   If you are smart, you better have an ole reliable
> > Cisco box sitting close
> > by, just in case Juniper comes up with an error, the
> > technical support has
> > not even seen yet, and You wouldn't know that would
> > you, who can you call
> > and compare with, NOBODY.
> >   New technology is fine and good, but rest assure
> > there will be bugs, don't
> > even fool yourself, because if you do, YOU won't be
> > in this field very long.
> >   Just a thought, a technical ONE.
> >   MR wrote:
> >
> > Juniper products are much faster and cute. Look
> > like your company is in
> > right direction. Note... routing and session concept
> > is going to go when
> > optical products available. Cisco do not have time
> > to figure out new
> > technology...know only buying companies and making
> > CCIE’s.Martin
> >   "Nova Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> > message
> >
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
om...Help
> guys,
>   My company wants to buy Juniper routers
> instead of Cisco. Having never
> worked with Juniper equipment before I don't know
> why it's so good.
>
>   I'm told that it's faster, cheaper and has a
> smaller foot print?
> What's a foot print? Is it really better then Cisco?
>
>   Nova Rich
>
>
>


=
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RE: Question About Global Knowledge

[William E Gragido]

I just got back from an AWESOME class at Global Knowledge.  The instructor
was great, the labs were great, and it was a wonderful learning experience,
I would highly recommend it.  BTW, the course was BCSN and it has helped me
get up to speed for the exam.

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> Hello all,
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> A few weeks back their were messages about people that were
> disapointed with
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> thanks in advance
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RE: Question About Global Knowledge

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Like I said, personally, I can't say enough good about them, only hope my
boss(who I know is reading mail from this list :-), will let me go to
another class soon.

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>
>
> I had a very bad experience with Global Knowledge last year at their New
> York Office.  I was taking the ICRC class.
> The first day went very well. I dont remember the insturctor name.
> However the second day he didnt turn up. Seems his wife delivered a baby
> girl.
> While we were all happy for him, his not showing up badly screwed up our
> training class.
> So we sat around doing nothing. The Global Knowledge Training
> class manager
> said that they are trying to get another instructor to take the class.  He
> had to fly in from Atlanta and started teaching late on the third day ( We
> had already lost more than 1 and  half days of training) .
> The new insturctor had to now rush through the rest of the material in the
> remaining time and even left out some stuff.  We were not able to do even
> half of the training labs. On the whole a very disappointing
> experience. My
> company who had paid for my training, sent an letter of complaint
> to Global
> Knowledge, but they conveniently chose to ignore the letter. No response
> from them to this day. We sent out another letter.. still no response.
>
> Very unprofessional of them.
>
> After that experience, my company stopped sending students to Global
> knowledge and we have made it a policy never to recommend them to any one.
> I am sure many of you may have positive things to say about Global
> Knowledge, but this is what happened to me.
>
>
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> with
> > their class that they could send an e-mail to their office . Has anyone
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> > a bad experience . And if so who did they contact ...
> >
> > thanks in advance
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RE: CCDA & Boson

[William E Gragido]

Yes I did, they were actually pretty good, and they helped out alot with
knowledge transfer.  However, the cisco test is sort of vague so be prepared
to say "HUH?$%$" a few times.

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> Has anyone used Boson for the CCDA test?
> How well did it help prepare you?
> TIA
> Cory Williams
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RE: Companies requiring proof of previous salary

[William E Gragido]

Well, for starters, some companies do in fact require that as a basis to
verify/validate your requests for a larger number.  You may not be able to
get around it.  Sorry.

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>
>
>   Hey Guys,
>   I recently had an interview with a company that requires proof of
> my previous salary.  I don't want to show them anything about my
> previous salary.  How do you think I can go about it?
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RE: Companies requiring proof of previous salary

[William E Gragido]

Phils right, don't lie just cover your bases with multiple offers and then
leverage them against each other.  Eventually you will get what you want.

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>
>
> There is nothing you can do...  If you want the job, then play their game.
> When interviewing for noticeably more in salary- it's safer to play offers
> (I have offer from XYZ, for XYZ).  @ my old company, I saw
> handful of people
> inflate their current salaries with the wrong potential employers.  Very
> rarely did I see them get the job, & they always walked away feeling as if
> they'd burned bridges.  Cisco was one of the companies I particularly
> remember checking in detail...
>
> The whole process is a card game, & you're still required to show
> a winning
> hand (most of the time) to win the game...
>
> Good Luck !!!
> Phil
>
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> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 4:56 PM
> Subject: Companies requiring proof of previous salary
>
>
> >
> > Hey Guys,
> > I recently had an interview with a company that requires proof of
> > my previous salary.  I don't want to show them anything about my
> > previous salary.  How do you think I can go about it?
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RE: CCDA?

[William E Gragido]

Yes, study those case studies in detail!  They are tedious

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> 
> hi anyone 
> 
> got any tips on CCDA?
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RE: Do You have used CCNP 2.0 CBT

[William E Gragido]

 I have used several of the CBT sustems Cisco 
Technologies CBTs and must  say that I would prefer good books, Boson 
exams, lists such as this and good hands on to them.  To me, they seemed 
slow, difficult to navigate, not completely thorough with regards to the 
material and quite frankly not in depth enough.  I think that they are 
useful however to glean a base knowledge of a technology but as far as being an 
indepth study aid, I would think not.

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  PaschallSent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:43 AMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Do You have used CCNP 2.0 
  CBT
  I do not believe that CBT makes Training 
  specifically for the CCNP exams. I do know that they have courses for Cisco 
  technologies that would help prepare for the exams.
   
  Lonnie
  
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I am from India and am pursuing my CCNP.
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I am willing to purchace them.
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RE: Need advice from the experts

[William E Gragido]

Yes, Get Priscilla's Top Down Network Design, Lammle's CCDA Study Guide and
maybe the DCN Cisco Press book(its good but definetly a snoozer, I have it
and although I like its content I have found myself cheek to page a few
times!)  LOL!  These should help, good luck!

Will

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>
>
> I have just finished my CCNP and got a job in design starting in
> two or thee
> weeks time. My new employer is also exited with  my background
> with NT and
> Novell. As a support guy how would I be productive from day one in
> internetworking design environment?.
> Would CCDA books be for any help ?.
>
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RE: CCNP

[William E Gragido]

BCSN is the exam he is referring to.

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> 
> 
> Patrick,
> 
> What do you mean by routing exam on www.cisco.com? Thank you
> 
> 
> 
>Raheem
> 
> 
> >From: "Patrick Bass" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Patrick Bass" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: CCNP
> >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:57:16 -0500
> >
> > >
> > > What did you use for your study material as it relates to 640-503 
> >through
> > > 640-506
> > >
> > >
> > > Robert Lopez
> > > Network Planning
> > > Pfizer
> > >
> >
> >Routing exam: www.cisco.com exclusively
> >Switching exam: cisco press book, cisco.com
> >Remote access exam: cisco press book, cisco.com
> >CIT: cisco press book, cisco.com
> >
> >Also, I used boson practice exams after I studied and read.
> >
> >Good luck!
> >
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RE: Need advice from the experts

[William E Gragido]

LOL!  Nothing like a shameless plug now and again!

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> Priscilla Oppenheimer
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 12:44 PM
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> Subject: Re: Need advice from the experts
>
>
> I recommend the book "Top-Down Network Design." &;-)
>
> Seriously. It was written for someone in your exact situation!
>
> Priscilla
>
>
> At 03:09 PM 10/11/00, mindiani mindiani wrote:
>
> >I have just finished my CCNP and got a job in design starting in two or
> >thee weeks time. My new employer is also exited with  my background with
> >NT and Novell. As a support guy how would I be productive from
> day one in
> >internetworking design environment?.
> >Would CCDA books be for any help ?.
> >
> >
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RE: Passed CCIE

[William E Gragido]

I don't mean to nit pick, but didn't you already ask this same question
earlier today or yesterday?

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>
>
> Hi;
>
> Please tell how do you prepare for the written exam and lab!
>
> Thanks
> Vincent
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> > Well done. How long did it take you in total to achieve the
> almighty CCIE?
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> > >
> > >
> > > Thank the group for the the imense amount of information &
> help provide.
> > >
> > > Passed CCIE - R&S -88%
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Rajeev.
> > > rajeev_ks@0
> > > e-mail: rajeev_ks@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: CCIE Lab Exam Availability?

[William E Gragido]

Wasn't 
this whole date swapping thing put to rest a couple of weeks 
ago???

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dorn, JoanneSent: 
  Thursday, October 12, 2000 3:07 PMTo: Cisco@Groupstudy. Com 
  (E-mail)Cc: Neely, Doug; Ohm, ThomasSubject: CCIE Lab 
  Exam Availability?
  Good 
  afternoon,
   
  We have an 
  engineer within our company who needs to retake the CCIE Lab exam by 
  12/15/00.  His name is Tom Ohm and his student id is 
  #395763502.
   
  The earliest 
  possible dates for the San Jose and Raleigh locations are in March.  So, 
  I was hoping that you might have some alternative dates (hopefully prior to 
  12/15/00) somewhere else in North America.  If not, please just let me 
  know if you have any available lab exams seats anywhere prior to 
  12/15/00.
   
  Thank you for your 
  assistance.
   
  Joanne

RE: The largest OSPF area 0

[William E Gragido]

Jack,

Due to the fact that OSPF was designed to support the 'network of a million
routers', in theory you should be able to have as many as you would like.

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> Subject: The largest OSPF area 0
>
>
>
> Group,
>
> We are trying to design an OSPF network for one of our clients
> who has about
> 300 routers.
> About 60 of them are in the Centeral Office, the rest of them are all
> remotes.
> We are thinking of put the 60 routers in the centeral into Area 0 and also
> put some of the remote ABRs into Area 0 too.
> The question for your experts out there is: in the largest OSPF
> network you
> have seen, how many routers are in Area 0?
> What is the maximun number of the routers in a non-backbone area?
> I know there are some deisign guides out there, but I just want to get an
> idea what you guys seeing in the real world.
>
> Any inputs will be helpful.
>
> Thanks
>
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RE: WHIZZ KIDS WHO HAVE THE CCIE number

[William E Gragido]

I have to agree at least to a certain point---adolescence and those great
teenage years should be spent learning about yourself, others and academics.
What ever happened to sneaking out of the house, dating and going to
parties?

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>
>
> If your 12 or even 18 and trying to acheive any certification, your life
> must suck. What happened to having a childhood? I didn't know
> what I wanted
> to do until I was 20something. These kids should be forced to go to
> ChuckyCheese eveyday for a year.
>
> "Kris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > I commend young kids who attempt and more importantly achieve these
> > things.  Though at a young age I was actively involved in
> subjects taught
> > in most first year university comp sci courses, I must say that it pales
> > in comparisson to a 12 year old who is working towards CCIE.  He is
> > sponsored by Global Knowledge btw.
> >
> > Kris,
> >
> > > From: "McCallum, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: WHIZZ KIDS WHO HAVE THE CCIE number
> > >
> > > Here is a little poser for you all.  Who is / was the
> youngest CCIE and
> > what
> > > was his / her age when they attained the CCIE?
> > >
> > > Robert McCallum
> >
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RE: WHIZZ KIDS WHO HAVE THE CCIE number

[William E Gragido]

I knew a guy at Unisys's Bluebell facility who was eighteen when he got his
R/S CCIE

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> Subject: Re: WHIZZ KIDS WHO HAVE THE CCIE number
>
>
> I don't know if he is the youngest to ever get it, but
> he's younger than any of the other responds.
> I know a guy at Cisco who was 17 when he got his CCIE.
> He's got R/S and ISP Dial. He's around 21 now I think.
> He used to work on the TAC but is now a consultant for
> Cisco.
>
> Mike
>
> --- Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 18, works for global data systems in louisiana
> > http://www.globaldatasys.com
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, McCallum, Robert wrote:
> >
> > > Here is a little poser for you all.  Who is / was
> > the youngest CCIE and what
> > > was his / her age when they attained the CCIE?
> > >
> > > Robert McCallum
> > >
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> > ---
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> > ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881)
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RE: Colorado Networking

[William E Gragido]

They announced in the September 17th issue of Computer World magazine that
they are going to be eliminating around 4000 jobs due to the merger with US
WEST.  Check it out, its fact not fiction.  FYI.

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>
>
> I worked at Qwest for four years and loved it.  Check out their site
> www.qwest.com and hit careers.
>   - Dennis
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Lodwick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 9:00 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Colorado Networking
>
>
> I anticipate a move to Boulder/Denver Colorado are and I am going
> to begin
> my search for places to submit my resume to. I am interested in
> opinions of
> others on the list of the places there that are known as having an
> extraordinary Networking dept in this area. I would be really
> appreciative
> if someone was so inclined to send me some reccomendations!
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RE: Anyone's comments on BCSN class?

[William E Gragido]

I took the class and thought it was very good!

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> 
> 
> To all those that have attended the Building Scalable Cisco 
> Networks (BSCN) 
> class, I'll be attending this next week and would really appreciate your 
> input on a couple questions...
> 
> 1) Any recommendations before going into the class?
> 2) Any preperation?
> 3) In retrospect, was there anything that you felt you would have 
> asked for 
> up front or during the course of the class had you known what you 
> know now?
> 
> Thanks so much.  This group has been invaluable for me.
> 
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RE: WHIZZ KIDS WHO HAVE THE CCIE number

[William E Gragido]

Not that I am aware, but I do know someone with two who is working on his
third.

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>
>
> Hello ..
>
> Is there Anyone have the 5 CCIE or all the Cisco Certifications :)
>
> Hakim CCNA
>
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> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:15 AM
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>
>
> > Here is a little poser for you all.  Who is / was the youngest CCIE and
> what
> > was his / her age when they attained the CCIE?
> >
> > Robert McCallum
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RE: Practicing Dentist at 21 years old

[William E Gragido]

Can you guys take this to dentl list?

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> 
> 
> Here's another "little email" from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> I don't know what is worse, the fact that you posted my private 
> email to the
> group, or the fact that you just revealed to everyone that you 
> are unable to
> detect humor.
> 
> Either way, you should be embarrassed.
> 
> 
> 
> > There seems to be some confusion about what a
> > practicing dentist is.  My definition is that this
> > person is trained properly, has a degree from a school
> > of dentistry, is licensed by the state.  Use a little
> > maturity and common sense when discussing the issue.
> >
> > Here's a little mail I received from
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > "He said he was a "practicing dentist", he never said
> > he was a legitimate,
> > trained, licensed dentist.  No doubt he practices in
> > the street, behind
> > buildings and in parks.  I'm sure he doesn't take
> > insurance (HMO coverage,
> > yes) but he is probably priced very low.
> >
> > This is a profession where certification *does*
> > matter!"
> >
> > And being trained at top school of dentistry in the US
> > and being licensed by the state of california means
> > nothing to you?  You're taking this cert thing too
> > far!
> >
> > CCNP, he charges full price and if you have any
> > coverage, drop on by.  As a matter of fact, he works
> > at clinics too(as most dentists do) so if you have no
> > insurance you can still drop on by!
> >
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RE: Can you say Studying Simple Silly Certs Stinks

[William E Gragido]

I think I am noticing that CCNA, CCNP and CCIE
> are of less and less importance because there
> is such a short supply of people,


I am sorry Terrence, but I would suggest you do your homework on this one,
many employers won't even talk to you without those certs.

 employers no better than to ask for a cert ? What do you guys think ?

I think you are looking at the wrong friggin job sites and speaking to the
wrong recruiters.  Does this mean that noncertified people don't know as
much?  No, I don't believe so, however the Certification acts as a
recognized symbol of your knowledge or a representation therein.  My
suggestion, get the certs, it won't hurt you one bit.  Got change from my
two cents?

Will Gragido
CCNA, CCDA, MCP
Salty Bastard



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> Subject: Can you say Studying Simple Silly Certs Stinks
>
>
> I think I am noticing that CCNA, CCNP and CCIE
> are of less and less importance because there
> is such a short supply of people, employers no
> better than to ask for a cert ? What do you guys think ?
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RE: CCDA

[William E Gragido]

I would when I took it, I think I went for fifty minutes, and felt as though
I rushed a little on the way.  Those case studies are tedious yet necessary.

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> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 12:22 PM
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> Subject: Re: CCDA
>
>
> Alot of case studies. Be prepared to read and take the full two hours.
> Brad
> ""Jayesh Patel"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > Hello I am preparing for my CCDA exam! Can i have some help !!! how many
> > questions, time for the exam !!! how tuff !! what are the main area it
> > concontrates on!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Jayesh Patel
> > CNE(4 & 5),MCP,MCP+I,MCSE,MCNE,CCNA
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: Can you say Studying Simple Silly Certs Stinks

[William E Gragido]

Lets not forget that Partners receive benes for their Associate level people
as well Kevin ;-)

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> Kevin Wigle
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 1:51 PM
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> Subject: Re: Can you say Studying Simple Silly Certs Stinks
>
>
> nope, can't say that I agree.
>
> perhaps CCNA "if" recruiters/hr people finally wake up and see
> that CCNA is
> an entry level cert (just talked about here lately)
>
> but CCNP/CCDP/CCIE certs are still being sought for various
> reasons.  Cisco
> partners especially need certified people.
>
> Kevin Wigle
> CCDP/CCNP.. maybe a bit biased :-)
>
> - Original Message -
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> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 1:54 PM
> Subject: Can you say Studying Simple Silly Certs Stinks
>
>
> > I think I am noticing that CCNA, CCNP and CCIE
> > are of less and less importance because there
> > is such a short supply of people, employers no
> > better than to ask for a cert ? What do you guys think ?
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RE: Employment Opportunity

[William E Gragido]

The UN are Facists {off soapbox}

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> Subject: Re: Employment Opportunity
> 
> 
> On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > As opposed to those UN-certified CCIE's I suppose.
> 
> *blink* Since when does the UN have anything to do with cisco
> certifications?
> 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > > We are looking for certified CCIE's to work in our MN or MA 
> offices.  If
> > >  you know of anyone interested in exploring opportunities, 
> please ask them
> > >  to check us out  http://www.us.bull.com
> 
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RE: Network neighborhood

[William E Gragido]

Jeffs right, Check your WINS settings ;-<

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> Subject: Network neighborhood
>
>
> Assuming file and print sharing is enabled on all workstations; if some
> computers show up in network neighborhood and some do not would
> the problem
> most likely be a master browser issue or WINS or something else.  Thanks,
> Jeff Lodwick MCSE/CCNA
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RE: Why 53-bytes for a cell?

[William E Gragido]

Because when they said so thats why >;-('

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RE: Sniffer Pro 3.5

[William E Gragido]

I don't mean to be rude man, but why on God's green earth would you buy a
product like Sniffer Pro without the slightest friggin inclination as to
what it does?

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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Sniffer Pro 3.5
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I bought this Sniffer Pro 3.5 which looks great.  Can I have a
> URL where I can
> info on the best way to understand and use it?
>
> Regards,
> Dzilo
>
> 
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RE: Sniffer Pro 3.5

[William E Gragido]

My Turn Derek,

I believe that this my comment was totally valid, and whether or not you
were offended by it is not my concern and heres why:

1)  I get sick of having to delete emails that have NO relevance to Cisco
Technologies from those that I receive from Mr.Bourghese's list
2)  I feel that without doing even a miniscual amount of research on a
product prior to purchase is fool hardy and potentially a head ache waiting
to happen.
3)  Look at the way in which the original question was worded "I bought this
Product and it looks great, does anyone have any clue as to where I can find
resources on how to use it and understand more thoroughly" This was a
liberal paraphrase of the original but it gets the point accross, Derek see
item No.2 above :-)
4)  You took this public by and large furhtering the pettiness of my
original comment and thus fueling the fire.

Volley, Your serve

Will

> -Original Message-
> From: Winchester, Derek S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 3:21 PM
> To: 'William E Gragido'; Charles Nunie; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Sniffer Pro 3.5
>
>
> This kind of comment should be kept to one's self. Charles I hope the
> previous replies helped you out in your quest to knowing how to
> use Sniffer
> Pro.
>
> William: I purchase tools all the time that I do not know how to
> use because
> :
>
>   A. Might make my job a little easier
>   B. 80% of job consists of exploring new
> options
>   C. If its in the budget(department) why not
> expand your resources
>
>
> Derek S. Winchester
> Sr. WAN Engineer(CCNP)
> Data Communications
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Phone: 410-953-4887
> Cell: 443-562-3456
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: William E Gragido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 1:37 PM
> To: Charles Nunie; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Sniffer Pro 3.5
>
>
> I don't mean to be rude man, but why on God's green earth would you buy a
> product like Sniffer Pro without the slightest friggin inclination as to
> what it does?
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Charles Nunie
> > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 7:42 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Sniffer Pro 3.5
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I bought this Sniffer Pro 3.5 which looks great.  Can I have a
> > URL where I can
> > info on the best way to understand and use it?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dzilo
> >
> > 
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RE: Sniffer Pro 3.5

[William E Gragido]

You really are a kick in the nads Derek aren't you?  Apparently after
receiving my private note citing my intent to drop this you felt the
incorrigable need to press on.  Well heres one for you to chew on.

R-ead the blooming archives and home page of what this list is all about,
last I checked it was Cisco, correct me if I am wrong
I-ntend to do right by all with whom you come into contact, even if at times
ones toes get stepped on.  Criticism can be a healthy thnig mate
M-aintain a sense of humor in addition to one of dignity.  At times, only
blunt answers can be giving
M-otivate those whose questions are off the cuff to search their reasoning
and in turn take the nessary steps for finding answers
E-nd.  No when to end something, this Derek will be the last time I care to
answer you publicly or privately so please feel free to do the same :-)

and before you type I would suggest unearthing what your real motivation for
doing so is, remember there are some posts that require no response.

And you can be damned sure that I meant that to be blunt!

Will Gragido CCNA,CCDA, MCP
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> derek lewinson
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 7:41 PM
> To: William E Gragido
> Cc: cisco@groupstudy. com
> Subject: RE: Sniffer Pro 3.5
>
>
> you did mean to be rude and you were rude and you were unhelpful.
> "Why on god's green earth" couldn't you have just bypassed this email,
> rather than reply with such an insensitive and unhelpful response.
> Next time,
> T-houghtful
> H-elpful
> I-nsipring
> N-ecessary
> K-ind
>
> before you type
>
> and yes, I did mean to be this blunt!
>
> Derek Lewinson, CCNA, MCSE
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> William E Gragido
> Sent: 20 October 2000 18:37
> To: Charles Nunie; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Sniffer Pro 3.5
>
>
> I don't mean to be rude man, but why on God's green earth would you buy a
> product like Sniffer Pro without the slightest friggin inclination as to
> what it does?
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Charles Nunie
> > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 7:42 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Sniffer Pro 3.5
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I bought this Sniffer Pro 3.5 which looks great.  Can I have a
> > URL where I can
> > info on the best way to understand and use it?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dzilo
> >
> > 
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RE: LOOKING FOR INFO

[William E Gragido]

More importantly than that, do you have ANY experience with NOS(Unix, NT,
NetWare, Banyon), that you can leverage in your studies?  Meaning this, if
you have worked with say, NetWare for fours years, you should already be
familiar to a certain degree the OSI model, and basic internetworking etc.
If you that type of experience it will serve to help you in your pursuit of
Cisco Certs.  On the other hand if you have no experience at all in IT,
starting on the infrastructure/WAN side of the house may not be the best
path to follow because your understanding of the big picture will be
limited.   Like Dennis said, find a good starter book and move through, but
remember to take your time!

Good Luck,

Will

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Dennis Laganiere
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 8:45 AM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '
> Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: LOOKING FOR INFO
>
>
> If you're just starting you will want to follow the R&S path.
>
> Pick up any of the massive number of CCNA prep books that are out
> there and
> try and find someplace with a few routers to play with, ideally buy them
> from a dealer in used equipment or pick them up on e-bay.
>
> Lastly, I know you're excited, but stop shouting (using all caps).
>
> Good luck, and I expect we'll hear more from you as you follow
> the path with
> the rest of us...
> - Dennis
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: RANMA
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 10/26/2000 3:58 AM
> Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR INFO
>
> Welcome!
> The people in this newsgroup is nice and willing to help others...!  ^_^
>
>
>
>
> "john" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ? [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > HI ,
> >
> > MY NAME IS JOHN AND I'M WRITING TO YOU FROM HAWAII.  I'M
> > INTERESTED IN CISCO CERTIFICATION HOWEVER, CISCO PRODUCTS / TECHNOLOGY
> > IS NEW TO ME.
> >
> > WHERE AND HOW SHOULD I START??  FROM READING THE CISCO
> > HOME PAGE IT APPEARS THAT THERE ARE 2 ROUTES TO CHOOSE FROM ON THE WAY
> > TO CISCO CERTIFICATION (routing & switching  and  WAN(?) ).
> >
> > I'D REALLY APPRECIATE IT IF SOMEONE OUT THERE COULD GIVE ME SOME
> ADVISE
> > ON HOW/WHERE  TO BEGIN.
> >
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RE: Bruce Caslow

[William E Gragido]

Netgun makes the same type of claim, how do you verify that?  Beats me,
seems like you would have to poll all those who went through the course and
then took the test.  I am not sure if Mentors or NetGun does that for that
matter.

Will

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> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 10:26 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Bruce Caslow
>
>
> In a message dated 10/26/00 11:17:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>
> > I was wondering if any of you have had the opportunity
> > to take  his lab exam prep course. The woman I
> > spoke with estimated that 80% of the people
> > who take the course pass the lab exam on the
> > first try.
> >
>
> I highly doubt that but I may be wrong. Only 20% of people who
> take the test
> pass it on their first shot. Granted, I have heard good things
> about Mentor,
> and Caslow is a god.  ;)
>
> Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA, 1/4-NP
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RE: Bruce Caslow

[William E Gragido]

Alright, now, Dale is way more blunt than I was the other day, comence with
da flaming! LOL 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Dale Holmes
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 11:40 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Bruce Caslow
>
>
> I hear that it is a great class, as long as you don't mind working with a
> half rack (3 routers) and no token ring... Oh, and if you don't
> understand
> something that is presented I hope you don't expect to have it
> explained...
>
> This is what I have heard from those who have actually taken the
> course. I
> have not done so myself - there are better ways to spend that kind of $$$
> (IMNSHO).
>
>
> >From: "info" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "info" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Bruce Caslow
> >Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:58:18 -0400
> >
> >I just registered to take a class with the company
> >that employs Bruce Caslow's teaching services;
> >Mentor Technologies.
> >
> >I was wondering if any of you have had the opportunity
> >to take  his lab exam prep course. The woman I
> >spoke with estimated that 80% of the people
> >who take the course pass the lab exam on the
> >first try.
> >
> >I am mildly skeptical of that but not enough to
> >not attend the class.
> >
> >In any case, has anyone had experience with
> >this group Mentor Technologies? Is Caslow
> >the best instructor there? I've been told that
> >all the other instructors are his students. I
> >was told they allow you to stay in the classroom
> >practicing stuff as long as you wantinto the
> >wee hours of the night if necessary.
> >
> >On a similar note: has anyone had excellent results
> >from a class from another vendor?
> >
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> >On an unrelated note: thanks so much to all who
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RE: Total number of CCNP's worldwide?

[William E Gragido]

What about CCDAs?



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> Pieter Jordaan
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> To: 'Jeff Lodwick'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Total number of CCNP's worldwide?
> 
> 
> Check this out
> 
> BREAKDOWN BY THEATRE- Through July 2000
> > US/CAN EMEA Asia/Pac Americas Japan Total per Cert
> >   CCNA 51509 14209 15166 1040 8153 90077
> >   CCNP 4131 1954 1076 95 249 7505
> >   CCDA 7732 3823 1622 408 445 14030
> >   CCDP 1315 786 363 43 97 2604
> >   CCNA-WAN 387 112 50 29 16 594
> >   CCNP-WAN 36 21 8 9 2 76
> >   CCDP-WAN 10 9 2 2 0 23
> >   Total 65120 20914 18287 1626 8962 114,909
> >   Voice 281 137 97 13 30 558
> >   LAN ATM 118 51 70 5 1 245
> >   Security 156 136 41 5 11 349
> >   Total 555 324 208 23 42 1152
> 
> 
> Pieter Jordaan
> R&D Consultant
> The Internet Solution 
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> 
> -Original Message-
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> 
> Does anyone know the total number of CCNP's worldwide or even better a 
> website that tracks the total number of CCNP's?  Thanks, Jeff Lodwick 
> MCSE/CCNP
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RE: RIP v1 or RIP v2?

[William E Gragido]

You are correct George!

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RE: Total number of CCNP's worldwide?

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Hey thanks!  I missed that LOL

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> Martin-Guy Richard
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 12:46 PM
> To: William E Gragido
> Cc: Pieter Jordaan; 'Jeff Lodwick'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Total number of CCNP's worldwide?
>
>
> 14030 CCDA
>
> William E Gragido wrote:
>
> > What about CCDAs?
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > > Pieter Jordaan
> > > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 12:41 AM
> > > To: 'Jeff Lodwick'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: Total number of CCNP's worldwide?
> > >
> > >
> > > Check this out
> > >
> > > BREAKDOWN BY THEATRE- Through July 2000
> > > > US/CAN EMEA Asia/Pac Americas Japan Total per Cert
> > > >   CCNA 51509 14209 15166 1040 8153 90077
> > > >   CCNP 4131 1954 1076 95 249 7505
> > > >   CCDA 7732 3823 1622 408 445 14030
> > > >   CCDP 1315 786 363 43 97 2604
> > > >   CCNA-WAN 387 112 50 29 16 594
> > > >   CCNP-WAN 36 21 8 9 2 76
> > > >   CCDP-WAN 10 9 2 2 0 23
> > > >   Total 65120 20914 18287 1626 8962 114,909
> > > >   Voice 281 137 97 13 30 558
> > > >   LAN ATM 118 51 70 5 1 245
> > > >   Security 156 136 41 5 11 349
> > > >   Total 555 324 208 23 42 1152
> > >
> > >
> > > Pieter Jordaan
> > > R&D Consultant
> > > The Internet Solution
> > > Tel: (27-11) 283 5000
> > > Personal Fax/ Voice-Mail (27-11) 388 0369
> > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Jeff Lodwick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 7:18 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Total number of CCNP's worldwide?
> > >
> > >
> > > Does anyone know the total number of CCNP's worldwide or even better a
> > > website that tracks the total number of CCNP's?  Thanks, Jeff Lodwick
> > > MCSE/CCNP
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RE: Please don't lie on resumes

[William E Gragido]

And so does ospf ;-)

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> Paul Borghese
> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 9:13 PM
> To: Sammi; Cisco
> Subject: Re: Please don't lie on resumes
> 
> 
> Read:
> 
> http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/idg4/nd2003.htm#x
> tocid13383
> 51
> 
> My answer would be frame relay works quite well over a partial 
> mesh network
> if it is designed correct.
> 
> Paul Borghese
> 
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> > On 27 Oct 2000 19:13:49 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlemagne) wrote:
> >
> > > "Explain
> > >the problems with OSPF over Frame-Relay partial mesh
> > >networks".
> >
> > So...what reading material will explain the problem and lead to
> > solutions?
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RE: Pre requisite for CCDP

[William E. Gragido]

Of course it is.  See the certification section on Cisco's web page.

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Subject: Pre requisite for CCDP


Hello Everyone,
I passed my CCNA and CCNP. Now I want to go for CCDP. Can anyone help me to
find out if CCDA is a prerequisite for CCDP, eventhough I completed CCNP??
Or can I give CCDP with out CCDA?? (since i have CCNP)


Cheers,
Anil Philip
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RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX

[William E. Gragido]

LOL.

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Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:05 PM
To: B J
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Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX


B J wrote:
>
>   The CCNA is far harder than any test one will encounter with a major  in
> Education, Anthropology, History, Business Management, etc.  Do you really
> think the dumbest CCNA isn't more knowledgable in many areas, one being
> math, than your daughters first grade teacher?

Why do so many people feel that comparing apples to oranges will
strengthen their point?  Anthropology has nothing to do with
networking, and knowlege of one has nothing to do with knowlege of
the other.  And Its been a while, but I don't really remember any
math problems on my CCNA test, unless you consider subnetting to
be a real mathmatical challenge.

>   Bottom line:  Remember this: As long as HR employees are hired because
> they are great looking babes, they will have no clue on talent.  Certs
give
> them something tangible and simple that they can understand. Degrees do
the
> same.

Oh, I see now.  You are a schmuck.
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RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX

[William E. Gragido]

Once again, it totally depends on the subject matter being studied.

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Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:11 PM
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Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX


The CCNA is far harder than any test one will encounter with a major??? What
are you be smoking? You are wrong wrong wrong. A degree is far more valuable
than a vender specific certification.



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Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 8:52 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX


  The CCNA is far harder than any test one will encounter with a major  in
Education, Anthropology, History, Business Management, etc.  Do you really
think the dumbest CCNA isn't more knowledgable in many areas, one being
math, than your daughters first grade teacher?
  Bottom line:  Remember this: As long as HR employees are hired because
they are great looking babes, they will have no clue on talent.  Certs give
them something tangible and simple that they can understand. Degrees do the
same.
  A couple more points:  I hear people say that certifications are expensive

you best study hard before paying.  They are not.  Take them 3 or 4 times
each, pay your $300 or $400 and enjoy your huge $5000+ raise and job
security.  Don't postpone it. People a class in Art Appreciation at a
"quality university" is going to run you $300 to $400 and is worthless by
their own admission.  You need the whole degree.
  ...and yes.  CCIE's will triple.  There were no books.  Now there are.
Books make tests easy.  That is what make Juniper's test so hard now.  You
can't read the 12 to 15 they have listed as easily as you can one Sybex book

that is designed around the exam.
   Finally, if you are very knowledgeable and dislike "paper certs". Please
put out a book that gets paper people up to par.  Something to read after
the exam and before your first interview.  I think it would be very helpful
to many, who have a desire but lack an entire network at home. Plus, if you
think people are gaining an edge on you because of certs.  You'll be
"Published".  That puts you in the upper-diety range.  You can live a
lifetime on that.




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Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:40 AM
Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Senior Citizen Reply


>Has anyone noticed that people arguing the most that certs dont matter are
>the ones that haven't 'bothered' to get them.
>
>I know that isn't true for everyone... so don't flame me but... see where
>generalities get you!  How shortsited can you be to simply make a blanket
>statement... certs don't prove anything... geez.
>
>Scott M. Baron
>CCNP, CCDP, MCP, CNA
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Greg Macaulay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:30 AM
>To: The.Rock; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Senior Citizen Reply
>
>
>"certs don't prove anything" ??? I'm not sure that I can agree with that
>statement. Certs IMHO represent an interest by the individual in the
subject
>matter, and a determined effort to undertake studies necessary to become
>more knowledgeable.
>
>Certainly, obtaining a cert. does not make one a guru.  But it usually
>(albeit not all the time) indicates a person who has shown some
willingness
>to learn.  I view the knowledge I gained by studying for my certs as a
>foundation to be built upon over the coming years. Perhaps I have only a
>passing or introductory knowledge of some subjects at this juncture -- but
I
>assume -- and I certainly hope that as every year passes, I will build
upon
>that foundation knowledge and at some point I will undergo a slow, but
>steady metamorphosis into a guru of sorts!  But at this juncture with my
>certs, I would certainly agree that I have just enough knowledge to be
>dangerous! 
>
>I would compare the cert study to obtaining academic and professional
>degrees.  Certainly upon graduation, grads are not experts in any area,
but
>they possess the fundamentals upon which to build.  A lawyer, for example,
>may indeed represent any survivors of a plane crash is his/her back yard
on
>the day he/she is admitted to the Bar, but law school graduation and
passing
>a Bar Examination DOES NOT indicate an expertise -- but it does indicate
the
>individual has the foundational knowledge and the potential to become an
>expert at some point in the future.  I would submit that the same goes for
>physicians, accountants, architects, etc.
>
>I think that the real problem is how these certs. have been marketed.
>Instead of promising IMMEDIATE big bucks, the certs, should be an entry
>ticket into this career.  Individuals who possess these certs should be
>respected for the time, effort and interest they have shown in studying
for
>and obtaining a cert.  But whet

RE: CCIE Lab Candidate???? [Formerly no subject]

[William E. Gragido]

John,

I got both your emails, sorry that I did not respond to you right away.
Listen, when you are ready, let me know.  Like I said before, we are always
looking for talent.

Later,

Will

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John Neiberger
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 9:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Candidate [Formerly no subject]


Hmmm.someone woke up in a pissy mood today!  I won't flame you back
because I had a Monday just like that last week and lots of people
mentioned it to me.

Studying for the lab and studying for the written aren't mutually
exclusive.  In fact, using lab equipment helps to solidify understanding
of certain concepts that will be on the written.  It's *always* better
to have done something than to have read something.

Also, perhaps the original poster is like me: limited budget and wants
to get the most bang for the buck.  If a large number of respondents
said 'Forget a home lab, go with Joe Shmoe's Labs', then he could budget
accordingly.   In my opinion, if you've got about $10,000-12,000 I'd
suggest getting your own stuff to play with at home.  It's tough to beat
the experience you get when you can play around without worrying about
breaking a production network!  :-)

I haven't had any coffee yet so I'll cut this short and let some others
make more specific suggestions.

Good luck!

John

>>> "Greg Macaulay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 4/5/01 6:34:35 AM >>>
Perhaps I'm missing something  (but I am in a bad mood this AM -- and
this
is my first Flame) -- or maybe you are?? But did you somehow get a
waiver
from John Chambers personally so you don't have to sit for and pass the
CCIE
written???

As for being a CCNP, CCDP, it would seem that by this time you would
have at
least some of the answers to your questions!!  Normally, these
questions are
asked by newbies like CCNA Candidates, or those working towards the
CCNP.
But by the time one reaches the NP/DP level one would expect at least
some
familiarization with the process.

Have you ever heard of the CCIE Blueprint??

But then again, this is just MY opinion

Greg Macaulay

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Brian Ravert
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:14 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:


Gentlemen:

I am a CCDP,CCNP ready to begin study for the R&S lab. Can anyone give
us
some
practical direction as to :
1.) recommendations for formal study ( for ex.  CCIE bootcamp)
2.) Is it advisable to have a home lab ? URL to an equipment list ?
Insights
as
to ballpark costs?
3.) Advise from some veterans ?

Thanks

Brian Ravert
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RE: AppleTalk on Support exam [7:269]

[William E. Gragido]

Priscilla,

I know that Appletalk is still being referenced in most Support Exam Study
Guides that are currently in circulation.  Matt Luallen's Exam Cram Study
Guide references it on pages 117-123.  Hope that helps, I plan on taking the
exam either Sunday or Monday of next week.

Toodles,

Will

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Priscilla Oppenheimer
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 4:46 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: AppleTalk on Support exam [7:269]


For those of you who have taken the Support exam recently, did you get any
AppleTalk questions?

The outline for the 640-506 Support exam still includes AppleTalk.

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/current_exam
s/640-506.html

The outline for the exam is a mess, though, so I'm not sure if I should
believe it. The outline for the course does not include AppleTalk.

http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/front.x/wwtraining/CELC/index.cgi?action=Cours
eDesc&COURSE_ID=1492

THANKS

Priscilla



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RE: what does " no logging console" mean? [7:1708]

[William E. Gragido]

It means that the logging messages are not being displayed to the console

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I noticed this in my main config and curious as to
what it is preventing.

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