CCIE R&S vs CCIE Design [7:46173]
A question to the current CCIE R&S and CCIE Design engineers. How much design do I need to learn for the CCIE R&S? Obviously not as much as the CCIE Design. But where do I draw the line? How much is too much, taking in consideration that I am planning to sit for the lab 9 to 12 months from now. Thank you, Pierre-Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=46173&t=46173 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Design...too much?
To play devil's advocate a bit, at least in the design area, having the greatest of certifications, unless you have a resume showing real experience, will NOT get you a job in building large and complex networks. It could be a useful exercise to articulate the sort of responsibilities for which a given certification will prepare you. Cisco, frankly, should be doing this far more specifically than they do. While I always despair of Cisco taking any useful comment from this list, such definitions could at least be suggested to them. Let me try an analogy. CID, ostensibly the pinnacle of design information, teaches design principles for small to medium networks. Since its inception, there's been a constant cutback in the critical skills of determining requirements, partially driven by a desire to showcase products. This is most evident in the Stratacom material taking up perhaps 5-10% of the course, time that could have been spent in problem analysis, yet not remotely going into the design principles of a WAN switched network. I could (and have) taken many subjects that CID discusses in a couple of hours (e.g., addressing, OSPF, BGP if it were even discussed, fault-tolerant load-shared switching, and discuss them at useful length for 2 to 5 days). The key thing to understand is what a certification would do for you. I can't imagine that having a CCIE Design would have any useful effect on my ability to get new jobs, but, on the other hand, I can point to a resume of around 30 years of progressively responsible results. My work isn't limited to Cisco alone. So alternative ways of demonstrating advanced design experience include participating in the IETF, writing books and articles, etc. All to be considered in your career planning. >Hi Mark, hi all, > >I totally agree with you. I am currently a CCDP and as a pre-sales engineer, >I do not have the opportunity to maintain the equipment. >Some of the questions of the CCDP track were already sometimes painful for >me (like which show command to use), although I find a command is the best >summary of 2 pages theory, and I agree commands must be part of the exams. >I would like to upgrade my skills to CCIE (now that CCDP has been degraded, >one year ago it was the highest cert for design), but as I understand CCIE >lab is really 'speed' of config and troubleshooting. >I don't see how I can prepare that on top of my normal job responsabilities, >and there's even no way my company would build a lab with that equipement. >It's only at cisco that they could afford to dedicate all this equipment to >a lab. >Now CCIE lab design has been retired for some time... I guess it will be >hard for them to find candidates in other companies that Cisco!! > >Rgds >Laurent > > >>From: "Mark Holloway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: "Mark Holloway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: CCIE Design...too much? >>Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 07:24:14 -0800 >> >>Looking at Cisco's requirements for all of their CCIE tracks, it looks like >>the CCIE Design Lab requires "the candidate to configure all of the devices >>included in the design." >> >>So not only do you design that proposed network, you must configure it too. >>For those of use who work in the pre-sales engineering field where the CCDA >>and CCDP made the most sense, I think this is going a little too steep for >>CCIE Design. I'm not opposed to learning how to configure equipment, but >>the list of equipment is literally impossible to build a home lab (Catalyst >>6500, 3500, 2900, PIX, Local Director, 7500, 7200, 4700, 3600, 2600, 2500, >>7830 Call Manager, and more). This is double the R/S Exam. Is it really >>realistic to expect someone who designs networks (as opposed to >>administering/troubleshooting) to know all of this? I'm assuming the >>required knowledge of this technology needs to be top-notch, like with the >>other CCIE exams. >> >>I always felt the design path was more geared toward pre-deployment and not >>post. Of course, some knowledge of the hands on is good, but in my job > >today I may sit with a client or a Data Engineer and go over some configs, >>but I don't maintain the equipment. >> >>Just my .02! Opinion appreciated.. >> >>Regards, >>Mark >> >> >> >>_ >>FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >>Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >_ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MS
Re: CCIE Design...too much?
Hi Mark, hi all, I totally agree with you. I am currently a CCDP and as a pre-sales engineer, I do not have the opportunity to maintain the equipment. Some of the questions of the CCDP track were already sometimes painful for me (like which show command to use), although I find a command is the best summary of 2 pages theory, and I agree commands must be part of the exams. I would like to upgrade my skills to CCIE (now that CCDP has been degraded, one year ago it was the highest cert for design), but as I understand CCIE lab is really 'speed' of config and troubleshooting. I don't see how I can prepare that on top of my normal job responsabilities, and there's even no way my company would build a lab with that equipement. It's only at cisco that they could afford to dedicate all this equipment to a lab. Now CCIE lab design has been retired for some time... I guess it will be hard for them to find candidates in other companies that Cisco!! Rgds Laurent >From: "Mark Holloway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Mark Holloway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: CCIE Design...too much? >Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 07:24:14 -0800 > >Looking at Cisco's requirements for all of their CCIE tracks, it looks like >the CCIE Design Lab requires "the candidate to configure all of the devices >included in the design." > >So not only do you design that proposed network, you must configure it too. >For those of use who work in the pre-sales engineering field where the CCDA >and CCDP made the most sense, I think this is going a little too steep for >CCIE Design. I'm not opposed to learning how to configure equipment, but >the list of equipment is literally impossible to build a home lab (Catalyst >6500, 3500, 2900, PIX, Local Director, 7500, 7200, 4700, 3600, 2600, 2500, >7830 Call Manager, and more). This is double the R/S Exam. Is it really >realistic to expect someone who designs networks (as opposed to >administering/troubleshooting) to know all of this? I'm assuming the >required knowledge of this technology needs to be top-notch, like with the >other CCIE exams. > >I always felt the design path was more geared toward pre-deployment and not >post. Of course, some knowledge of the hands on is good, but in my job >today I may sit with a client or a Data Engineer and go over some configs, >but I don't maintain the equipment. > >Just my .02! Opinion appreciated.. > >Regards, >Mark > > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Design...too much?
I agree that CID should include a product catalog. Teaching CID was so much easier if a few students had a catalog with them (or access to the online one). We should have made sure it was part of the bill of materials for the class. When I developed Designing Cisco Networks, I introduced the idea of job aids. Job aids include product information, capacity planning data and tools, scalability constraints for various technologies, etc. The original DCN had lots of charts for this purpose. They were separate from the reading material and were meant to be something a designer could reference when needed. Over the years, someone has been merging the job aids into the course and even testing on the minutiae in the job aids on the DCN test. This is ridiculous. Why should anyone in their right mind memorize the size of a RIP header, for example? Anyway, don't get me started. I think testing design skills is possible, even though it is an art as well as a science. I haven't heard why the CCIE design test fell apart. It seemed like a good idea and reasonable implementation. It would probably take a Howard-level person to get it right though, and that would be hard to find. &;-) Priscilla At 04:21 PM 3/1/01, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: > >One skill required of designers, that can be measured in a lab > >environment, is the ability to specify appropriate equipment for the > >proposed technologies to be implemented. The designer needs to be > >able to specify a product that supports the proposed design. > > > >Remember that the CCIE Design measures the candidates ability to > >design *CISCO* networks - recommending technologies appropriate to > >the scenario limitations and then recommending Cisco hardware > >appropriate to the technologies. > >When I taught CID, I had a running argument with Cisco that it was >far more important to put a current catalog and price list into the >student kit than, say, a command reference. I was always told this >was too expensive. > >But, to refer back to your point about *CISCO* networks, pricing >(and, for that matter, relevant discounts and support costs) is more >important, IMNSHO, than the ability to configure a representative >system in the lab (if you can -- see below). > >In designing real networks (not solutions -- also see below), the >cost-effective way to do things isn't necessarily the most elegant. >For example, the conventional wisdom is to "pick the best box" to >meet some set of requirements. But a single best box isn't >necessarily the most cost-effective. > >This is going back a bit, but I remember several cases I had where >there was a need to do assorted SNA stuff. It needed more token ring >interfaces than were available on a small platform, so the school >solution was to use a 7000. > >But the 7000 didn't have that fast a CPU, only a 68040. In contrast, >a 2500 series has only a 68030, with a speed of 0.5 relative to the >68040 in the 7000. > >But by stacking four 2500's, I could get 4 or 8 TR interfaces, with >twice the CPU power of the 7000. > >In a different scenario, I had lots of RSRB circuits to be >terminated. They were TCP encapsulated, so that took lots of CPU. >There was a need to use an IBM channel interface, which only plugged >into a 7x00 router. To get the necessary CPU power, the school >solution was to use a 7500. But a better approach, for the specific >customer, was to use a 7010 with a CIP card and a Fast Ethernet card, >using the FE card to link to a 4700 that handled the TCP sessions. > > > > >Can technology X be implemented on Cisco platform Y? If so, how? Are > >there caveats, tradeoffs, or flaming hoops to jump through in order > >to get product Z to effectively run feature A, B, and C at the same > >time? > > > >I think that this is the approach that Cisco is taking with the CCIE > >Design track. Certainly designers are not expected to be responsible > >for implementing and maintaining hardware, but they need to be > >certain that their designs CAN be implemented on the hardware > >available (in this case, Cisco's), and one good way to determine if > >a person knows this is to have them do it, at least once, in the lab. > >But in a practical amount of time in the lab, how many devices can >you configure? Even a relatively small network might have dozens of >access routers, several distribution points with distribution routers >plus switches for regional servers, and a core. At what point is a >lab setup using a lesser number of devices going to validate both >functionality AND WORKLOAD/PERFORMANCE? > >If I were going to require anything along a lab, as opposed to, say, >a presentation before quali
Re: CCIE Design...too much?
>One skill required of designers, that can be measured in a lab >environment, is the ability to specify appropriate equipment for the >proposed technologies to be implemented. The designer needs to be >able to specify a product that supports the proposed design. > >Remember that the CCIE Design measures the candidates ability to >design *CISCO* networks - recommending technologies appropriate to >the scenario limitations and then recommending Cisco hardware >appropriate to the technologies. When I taught CID, I had a running argument with Cisco that it was far more important to put a current catalog and price list into the student kit than, say, a command reference. I was always told this was too expensive. But, to refer back to your point about *CISCO* networks, pricing (and, for that matter, relevant discounts and support costs) is more important, IMNSHO, than the ability to configure a representative system in the lab (if you can -- see below). In designing real networks (not solutions -- also see below), the cost-effective way to do things isn't necessarily the most elegant. For example, the conventional wisdom is to "pick the best box" to meet some set of requirements. But a single best box isn't necessarily the most cost-effective. This is going back a bit, but I remember several cases I had where there was a need to do assorted SNA stuff. It needed more token ring interfaces than were available on a small platform, so the school solution was to use a 7000. But the 7000 didn't have that fast a CPU, only a 68040. In contrast, a 2500 series has only a 68030, with a speed of 0.5 relative to the 68040 in the 7000. But by stacking four 2500's, I could get 4 or 8 TR interfaces, with twice the CPU power of the 7000. In a different scenario, I had lots of RSRB circuits to be terminated. They were TCP encapsulated, so that took lots of CPU. There was a need to use an IBM channel interface, which only plugged into a 7x00 router. To get the necessary CPU power, the school solution was to use a 7500. But a better approach, for the specific customer, was to use a 7010 with a CIP card and a Fast Ethernet card, using the FE card to link to a 4700 that handled the TCP sessions. > >Can technology X be implemented on Cisco platform Y? If so, how? Are >there caveats, tradeoffs, or flaming hoops to jump through in order >to get product Z to effectively run feature A, B, and C at the same >time? > >I think that this is the approach that Cisco is taking with the CCIE >Design track. Certainly designers are not expected to be responsible >for implementing and maintaining hardware, but they need to be >certain that their designs CAN be implemented on the hardware >available (in this case, Cisco's), and one good way to determine if >a person knows this is to have them do it, at least once, in the lab. But in a practical amount of time in the lab, how many devices can you configure? Even a relatively small network might have dozens of access routers, several distribution points with distribution routers plus switches for regional servers, and a core. At what point is a lab setup using a lesser number of devices going to validate both functionality AND WORKLOAD/PERFORMANCE? If I were going to require anything along a lab, as opposed to, say, a presentation before qualified designers, I'd much rather the demonstration use a block-level simulator such as BONES. Netsys is at too fine a level, because it depends on configurations. > >With this in mind, I think that Cisco is right on track. > >Z _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Design...too much?
Info from a post on TCPMAG regarding the design CCIE tract.. The CCDP is worthwhile since the CCIE design track is taken off line. I have the CCNP/DP certs. and have seen some, but few, contracting postings for the DP. It is a marketing issue. Design certs. are tough to create, hence Cisco' s problem with the design lab, it did not reflect real world conditions. How can you properly gauge a persons design proficiency since there are many ways to design a network and no one method is the defacto. Design topics, approaches and methodologies are subjective so are customers design requirements. Support certs. are easier for they are binary in nature the fact is either true or false. Design certs. have many gray areas. If you have or are going through the CCNP you might as well get the DP to round out you knowledge of basic design principals. That is worth something.I agree that this is frustrating for I too have over 16 years oh high level networking experience and I need a cert to validate my track record. That is the fault of loser recruiters and stupid corporate HR mangers that cannot accurately define a set of requirements for a consultant or FTE. so, the HR industry relies on CERTs. as a basic qualifier. i.e I need a someone for a network support position with CCIE, CCNP, MSCE, A+ CNX, is easier to state and rely on then actually listing what is really required and properly interviewing the candidate. ""Mark Holloway"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 97ltiq$r39$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:97ltiq$r39$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Looking at Cisco's requirements for all of their CCIE tracks, it looks like > the CCIE Design Lab requires "the candidate to configure all of the devices > included in the design." > > So not only do you design that proposed network, you must configure it too. > For those of use who work in the pre-sales engineering field where the CCDA > and CCDP made the most sense, I think this is going a little too steep for > CCIE Design. I'm not opposed to learning how to configure equipment, but > the list of equipment is literally impossible to build a home lab (Catalyst > 6500, 3500, 2900, PIX, Local Director, 7500, 7200, 4700, 3600, 2600, 2500, > 7830 Call Manager, and more). This is double the R/S Exam. Is it really > realistic to expect someone who designs networks (as opposed to > administering/troubleshooting) to know all of this? I'm assuming the > required knowledge of this technology needs to be top-notch, like with the > other CCIE exams. > > I always felt the design path was more geared toward pre-deployment and not > post. Of course, some knowledge of the hands on is good, but in my job > today I may sit with a client or a Data Engineer and go over some configs, > but I don't maintain the equipment. > > Just my .02! Opinion appreciated.. > > Regards, > Mark > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Design...too much?
One skill required of designers, that can be measured in a lab environment, is the ability to specify appropriate equipment for the proposed technologies to be implemented. The designer needs to be able to specify a product that supports the proposed design. Remember that the CCIE Design measures the candidates ability to design *CISCO* networks - recommending technologies appropriate to the scenario limitations and then recommending Cisco hardware appropriate to the technologies. Can technology X be implemented on Cisco platform Y? If so, how? Are there caveats, tradeoffs, or flaming hoops to jump through in order to get product Z to effectively run feature A, B, and C at the same time? I think that this is the approach that Cisco is taking with the CCIE Design track. Certainly designers are not expected to be responsible for implementing and maintaining hardware, but they need to be certain that their designs CAN be implemented on the hardware available (in this case, Cisco's), and one good way to determine if a person knows this is to have them do it, at least once, in the lab. With this in mind, I think that Cisco is right on track. Z >From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: CCIE Design...too much? >Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:13:08 -0500 > > >"Mark Holloway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote, > >First, emphatic agreement with your concern. Design and >implementation/support, at a serious level, tend to involve different >skill sets and even mind sets. > >Second, the CCIE R&S lab introduces lots of artificial conditions due >to the limited number of devices and the time constraints of >configuring. For example, think of a relatively straightforward >hierarchical, but high-reliability, enterprise design, using OSPF as >the IGP but realistically using static routes at the edges. I'll >assume the enterprise is in the process of acquiring two or more new >companies, one of which uses OSPF and one uses RIP. > >You need at least two core routers, which indeed also could be ABRs. >To avoid single points of failure, however, you presumably want two >ABRs per area. Multiple ABRs per area also let you explore the >quirks of nonzero area partitioning, and using virtual links to >restore backbone partitioning. > >Each ABR needs to connect to at least two intra-area interfaces so >you can see inter-area patterns. It's highly likely there should be >one or more internal and/or ASBRs in the nonzero areas, and an >assortment of edge routers that accept default from a distribution >tier intra-area router, and to which the distribution router(s) have >static routes redistributed into OSPF. > >The company being acquired doesn't yet have physical connectivity to >your backbone, so they need to use a virtual link to reach it. To >support a virtual link, the nonzero area it traverses can in no way >be stubby. Areas into which static or RIP routes are redistributed >must have an ASBR, so they must be either regular or NSSA. It's >quite plausible, however, that you might have a data center or other >corporate area that qualifies to be stubby or totally stubby. > >You want to explore load sharing to the Internet, so you need at >least two ASBRs, in the backbone or elsewhere, that simulate your ISP >connections. > >Now, you could force this to go onto a very small number of routers. >But the configurations involved become nightmarishly complex, and I'm >not sure that the ability to build and troubleshoot such >configurations is really relevant to demonstrating understanding of >design tradeoffs (e.g., I have to have an ASBR in this area, but >should the area be stubby or NSSA? As a start, does the area have to >support a virtual link?) > > >Looking at Cisco's requirements for all of their CCIE tracks, it looks >like > >the CCIE Design Lab requires "the candidate to configure all of the >devices > >included in the design." > > > >So not only do you design that proposed network, you must configure it >too. > >For those of use who work in the pre-sales engineering field where the >CCDA > >and CCDP made the most sense, I think this is going a little too steep >for > >CCIE Design. I'm not opposed to learning how to configure equipment, but > >the list of equipment is literally impossible to build a home lab >(Catalyst > >6500, 3500, 2900, PIX, Local Director, 7500, 7200, 4700, 3600, 2600, >2500, > >7830 Call Manager, and more). This is double the R/S Exam. Is it really > >realistic to expect someone who designs networks (as opposed to > >administ
Re: CCIE Design...too much?
>"Mark Holloway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote, First, emphatic agreement with your concern. Design and implementation/support, at a serious level, tend to involve different skill sets and even mind sets. Second, the CCIE R&S lab introduces lots of artificial conditions due to the limited number of devices and the time constraints of configuring. For example, think of a relatively straightforward hierarchical, but high-reliability, enterprise design, using OSPF as the IGP but realistically using static routes at the edges. I'll assume the enterprise is in the process of acquiring two or more new companies, one of which uses OSPF and one uses RIP. You need at least two core routers, which indeed also could be ABRs. To avoid single points of failure, however, you presumably want two ABRs per area. Multiple ABRs per area also let you explore the quirks of nonzero area partitioning, and using virtual links to restore backbone partitioning. Each ABR needs to connect to at least two intra-area interfaces so you can see inter-area patterns. It's highly likely there should be one or more internal and/or ASBRs in the nonzero areas, and an assortment of edge routers that accept default from a distribution tier intra-area router, and to which the distribution router(s) have static routes redistributed into OSPF. The company being acquired doesn't yet have physical connectivity to your backbone, so they need to use a virtual link to reach it. To support a virtual link, the nonzero area it traverses can in no way be stubby. Areas into which static or RIP routes are redistributed must have an ASBR, so they must be either regular or NSSA. It's quite plausible, however, that you might have a data center or other corporate area that qualifies to be stubby or totally stubby. You want to explore load sharing to the Internet, so you need at least two ASBRs, in the backbone or elsewhere, that simulate your ISP connections. Now, you could force this to go onto a very small number of routers. But the configurations involved become nightmarishly complex, and I'm not sure that the ability to build and troubleshoot such configurations is really relevant to demonstrating understanding of design tradeoffs (e.g., I have to have an ASBR in this area, but should the area be stubby or NSSA? As a start, does the area have to support a virtual link?) >Looking at Cisco's requirements for all of their CCIE tracks, it looks like >the CCIE Design Lab requires "the candidate to configure all of the devices >included in the design." > >So not only do you design that proposed network, you must configure it too. >For those of use who work in the pre-sales engineering field where the CCDA >and CCDP made the most sense, I think this is going a little too steep for >CCIE Design. I'm not opposed to learning how to configure equipment, but >the list of equipment is literally impossible to build a home lab (Catalyst >6500, 3500, 2900, PIX, Local Director, 7500, 7200, 4700, 3600, 2600, 2500, >7830 Call Manager, and more). This is double the R/S Exam. Is it really >realistic to expect someone who designs networks (as opposed to >administering/troubleshooting) to know all of this? No. Indeed, if one considers ISP design, you might not even need to know which vendors' routers are involved, but you had better understand routing policy specification REALLY WELL. >I'm assuming the >required knowledge of this technology needs to be top-notch, like with the >other CCIE exams. > >I always felt the design path was more geared toward pre-deployment and not >post. Of course, some knowledge of the hands on is good, but in my job >today I may sit with a client or a Data Engineer and go over some configs, >but I don't maintain the equipment. Again, strong agreement. Historically, there's been a tremendous lack of understanding, in Cisco's training and certification programs, of what good designers actually do. It's far easier to test "measurable" things like commands. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Design...too much?
Looking at Cisco's requirements for all of their CCIE tracks, it looks like the CCIE Design Lab requires "the candidate to configure all of the devices included in the design." So not only do you design that proposed network, you must configure it too. For those of use who work in the pre-sales engineering field where the CCDA and CCDP made the most sense, I think this is going a little too steep for CCIE Design. I'm not opposed to learning how to configure equipment, but the list of equipment is literally impossible to build a home lab (Catalyst 6500, 3500, 2900, PIX, Local Director, 7500, 7200, 4700, 3600, 2600, 2500, 7830 Call Manager, and more). This is double the R/S Exam. Is it really realistic to expect someone who designs networks (as opposed to administering/troubleshooting) to know all of this? I'm assuming the required knowledge of this technology needs to be top-notch, like with the other CCIE exams. I always felt the design path was more geared toward pre-deployment and not post. Of course, some knowledge of the hands on is good, but in my job today I may sit with a client or a Data Engineer and go over some configs, but I don't maintain the equipment. Just my .02! Opinion appreciated.. Regards, Mark _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes, I did. I had just completed studying for and passing CID to become CCDP, so I thought I'd go for the beta. I remember it being tough, but I thought I did OK. Well, it turns out I failed by a few points. Will ""Mark Holloway"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 92gfm1$vcp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:92gfm1$vcp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Did anyone try out the CCIE Design when it was in beta? > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Did anyone try out the CCIE Design when it was in beta? _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Design Written
I would have thought after reading the books that you mentioned that you would have studied. They were not helpful? Bruce ""McCallum, Robert"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] .uk... > Well, well, well. > > With no studying for this exam the outcome was inevitable. I am not to > bothered as Wednesdays pass eludes all. > Anyway for those people looking to sit this written exam here is the break > down. > > Passing Score 60% --- sounds easy doesn't it! > > Access Technologies > Access protocols, Features, and Architecture > Distribution Layer Technologies > Distribution Protocols > Core Technologies > Core Protocols > Core Applications > Campus Design Issues > WAN Design Issues > SNA/IP Migration > Multiservice Design > Network Management. > > There are no type ins. I have read Advanced Ip Network Design, Jeff Doyles > Bible, Network Design Case Studies CCIE press. I honestly don't believe > that half of these questions were in these books. Although with no study I > could easily be proved wrong here. Anyway again this is a fair but tough > test. There is no hint at how many answers are correct. > > Enjoy your weekend, I certainly will. > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Design Written
Well, well, well. With no studying for this exam the outcome was inevitable. I am not to bothered as Wednesdays pass eludes all. Anyway for those people looking to sit this written exam here is the break down. Passing Score 60% --- sounds easy doesn't it! Access Technologies Access protocols, Features, and Architecture Distribution Layer Technologies Distribution Protocols Core Technologies Core Protocols Core Applications Campus Design Issues WAN Design Issues SNA/IP Migration Multiservice Design Network Management. There are no type ins. I have read Advanced Ip Network Design, Jeff Doyles Bible, Network Design Case Studies CCIE press. I honestly don't believe that half of these questions were in these books. Although with no study I could easily be proved wrong here. Anyway again this is a fair but tough test. There is no hint at how many answers are correct. Enjoy your weekend, I certainly will. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Design Lab passed
They were different, but equally challenging. The Design lab was definitely more reflective of the types of infrastructures being deployed today, while the R/S was a bit more abstract. Regards, Eric Sineath CCIE (R/S) #4504 CCIE (Design) Senior Consultant SBC DataComm -Original Message- From: Bruce Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 6:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Design Lab passed Congratulations!! What certification did you find more difficult, the CCIE Design or the CCIE R&S? Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] ""SINEATH, JOSEPH E (AIT)"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Folks, > > I passed the CCIE Design Lab last week, and quite a bit of my study over the > past three months was done right here. The scenario posts were extremely > helpful. This lab was a heck of a lot more "real-world" than the R/S one. > > Regards, > Eric Sineath > CCIE (R/S) #4504 > CCIE (Design) > Senior Consultant > SBC DataComm > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Design Lab passed
Do you know if there is online security labs with router IOS 12 enterprise, PIX Firewall, NetRanger, etc, something like www.ccbootcamp.com. Your info is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Yusuf ""SINEATH, JOSEPH E (AIT)"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Folks, > > I passed the CCIE Design Lab last week, and quite a bit of my study over the > past three months was done right here. The scenario posts were extremely > helpful. This lab was a heck of a lot more "real-world" than the R/S one. > > Regards, > Eric Sineath > CCIE (R/S) #4504 > CCIE (Design) > Senior Consultant > SBC DataComm > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Design Lab passed
Congratulations!! What certification did you find more difficult, the CCIE Design or the CCIE R&S? Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] ""SINEATH, JOSEPH E (AIT)"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Folks, > > I passed the CCIE Design Lab last week, and quite a bit of my study over the > past three months was done right here. The scenario posts were extremely > helpful. This lab was a heck of a lot more "real-world" than the R/S one. > > Regards, > Eric Sineath > CCIE (R/S) #4504 > CCIE (Design) > Senior Consultant > SBC DataComm > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Design Lab passed
How do you know you're a security candidate? The results out yet? :-> Seriously - this is great. Folks like you continue to be an inspiration to al of us. Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of aaa Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 1:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: CCIE Design Lab passed Wow! well done ! I am just right behind you aaa CCIE #4420 CCIE Security Candidate CCIE Design Candidadte ""SINEATH, JOSEPH E (AIT)"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Folks, > > I passed the CCIE Design Lab last week, and quite a bit of my study over the > past three months was done right here. The scenario posts were extremely > helpful. This lab was a heck of a lot more "real-world" than the R/S one. > > Regards, > Eric Sineath > CCIE (R/S) #4504 > CCIE (Design) > Senior Consultant > SBC DataComm > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Design Lab passed
Wow! well done ! I am just right behind you aaa CCIE #4420 CCIE Security Candidate CCIE Design Candidadte ""SINEATH, JOSEPH E (AIT)"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Folks, > > I passed the CCIE Design Lab last week, and quite a bit of my study over the > past three months was done right here. The scenario posts were extremely > helpful. This lab was a heck of a lot more "real-world" than the R/S one. > > Regards, > Eric Sineath > CCIE (R/S) #4504 > CCIE (Design) > Senior Consultant > SBC DataComm > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Design Lab passed
yowsers! Great going! Hopefully you'll be able to post a little after action report?? (within the nda) Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "SINEATH, JOSEPH E (AIT)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 13 November, 2000 16:02 Subject: CCIE Design Lab passed > Folks, > > I passed the CCIE Design Lab last week, and quite a bit of my study over the > past three months was done right here. The scenario posts were extremely > helpful. This lab was a heck of a lot more "real-world" than the R/S one. > > Regards, > Eric Sineath > CCIE (R/S) #4504 > CCIE (Design) > Senior Consultant > SBC DataComm > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Design Lab passed
Folks, I passed the CCIE Design Lab last week, and quite a bit of my study over the past three months was done right here. The scenario posts were extremely helpful. This lab was a heck of a lot more "real-world" than the R/S one. Regards, Eric Sineath CCIE (R/S) #4504 CCIE (Design) Senior Consultant SBC DataComm _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Design Written......
CCIE Design Written.. I have been so curious about this Design Certification that I invested $200 and sat the exam last week. I guess having the CCDP is good for 50% because that is about what I scored. I got a 46 and a 60 is passing. I am not disappointed because I have not really begun to study yet. I did very well on the CCDP and CCDA exams so I wanted to see how much of a gap there was between my current knowledge and what I need to acquire. It is the first exam that I ever failed but it was worth it because now I know that I can do it. It is difficult but I do not believe that it would have seemed much harder then some of the CCNP exams if I studied properly. The case studies are just a bulleted list of requirements and you pick a multiple-choice answer that satisfies those requirements. I had nightmares about very long case studies. There was a lot of SNA, DLSW, Voice, SNMP, RMON and ATM and those are the things I am not well versed in so that was my downfall. There are also many questions about routing protocol behavior especially over dial up lines. I know that in a couple of months and adequate studying I can pass the written exam, the Design Lab I am not sure of. Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] ""Greene, Patrick"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Has anybody taken this or heard about it? Has anybody taken or heard about the lab? Thank You, Patrick Greene CCDP,MCSE,MCNE _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Design Reading List
After this , I believe Doyle should be exalted to the level of God "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 000801c04913$787f7880$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:000801c04913$787f7880$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I was just recommending this book to a friend today for the exact same > reason. In other books you may learn how things are done, but Doyle's book > you learn WHY the protocols work the way they do. Chapter 4, Dynamic > Routing Protocols, cleared up some grey areas and a misconception that I > had. Instead of dreading reading about routing protocols like I used to > (because the information seemed like lots of unrelated facts, or bits and > pieces of the big picture) I now look forward to it because I have a better > understanding of the protocols. In this chapter, Doyle gives a very clear > and straightforward (read plain English) explanation of the SPF algorithm. > It's all so clear to me now. > > Dave > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Priscilla Oppenheimer > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 3:42 PM > To: Bruce Williams; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: CCIE Design Reading List > > > Their book list for CCIE design is pretty bizarre. The most bizarre thing > is that they recommend "Designing Campus Networks." Read the Amazon reviews > before you buy that clunker. (It's not the same as "Designing Cisco > Networks.") > > In answer to your actual question, you would be missing out on a great book > if you don't read Doyle's "Routing TCP/IP." It is not focused only on > configuration. It is focused on explaining how the routing protocols really > work. You should read it for all certs, I think. > > Priscilla > > At 08:09 AM 11/7/00, Bruce Williams wrote: > >Cisco has the following books on the CCIE Design Recommended reading list: > >Enhanced IP Services for Cisco Networks (Lee, Cisco Press) > >Cisco CCIE Fundamentals: Network Design and Case Studies (Cisco Press) > >CCIE Professional Development : Advanced IP Network Design > >(White/Retana/Slice, Cisco Press) > >Designing Campus Networks (Quinn-Andry and Haller, Cisco Press) > >Top-Down Network Design (Oppenheimer, Cisco Press) > > > >They do not list the primary book that people swear by for the CCIE R&S, > >TCP/IP Routing by Jeff Doyle. I assume that this books is focused more on > >configuration than design. Unless someone can advise me otherwise I am > going > >to read the books on the list and not read TCP/IP Routing. I already have > my > >CCNP and CCDP so I assume that Network Design and Case Studies along with > >Enhanced IP Services and Advanced IP Network Design will prepare me for the > >CCIE Design. I would appreciate any comments or suggestions on how to > >prepare for the CCIE Design. > > > >Bruce > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > >_ > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer > http://www.priscilla.com > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Design Written......
Title: CCIE Design Written.. Has anybody taken this or heard about it? Has anybody taken or heard about the lab? Thank You, Patrick Greene CCDP,MCSE,MCNE
RE: CCIE Design Reading List
I was just recommending this book to a friend today for the exact same reason. In other books you may learn how things are done, but Doyle's book you learn WHY the protocols work the way they do. Chapter 4, Dynamic Routing Protocols, cleared up some grey areas and a misconception that I had. Instead of dreading reading about routing protocols like I used to (because the information seemed like lots of unrelated facts, or bits and pieces of the big picture) I now look forward to it because I have a better understanding of the protocols. In this chapter, Doyle gives a very clear and straightforward (read plain English) explanation of the SPF algorithm. It's all so clear to me now. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Priscilla Oppenheimer Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 3:42 PM To: Bruce Williams; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Design Reading List Their book list for CCIE design is pretty bizarre. The most bizarre thing is that they recommend "Designing Campus Networks." Read the Amazon reviews before you buy that clunker. (It's not the same as "Designing Cisco Networks.") In answer to your actual question, you would be missing out on a great book if you don't read Doyle's "Routing TCP/IP." It is not focused only on configuration. It is focused on explaining how the routing protocols really work. You should read it for all certs, I think. Priscilla At 08:09 AM 11/7/00, Bruce Williams wrote: >Cisco has the following books on the CCIE Design Recommended reading list: >Enhanced IP Services for Cisco Networks (Lee, Cisco Press) >Cisco CCIE Fundamentals: Network Design and Case Studies (Cisco Press) >CCIE Professional Development : Advanced IP Network Design >(White/Retana/Slice, Cisco Press) >Designing Campus Networks (Quinn-Andry and Haller, Cisco Press) >Top-Down Network Design (Oppenheimer, Cisco Press) > >They do not list the primary book that people swear by for the CCIE R&S, >TCP/IP Routing by Jeff Doyle. I assume that this books is focused more on >configuration than design. Unless someone can advise me otherwise I am going >to read the books on the list and not read TCP/IP Routing. I already have my >CCNP and CCDP so I assume that Network Design and Case Studies along with >Enhanced IP Services and Advanced IP Network Design will prepare me for the >CCIE Design. I would appreciate any comments or suggestions on how to >prepare for the CCIE Design. > >Bruce >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Design Reading List
Their book list for CCIE design is pretty bizarre. The most bizarre thing is that they recommend "Designing Campus Networks." Read the Amazon reviews before you buy that clunker. (It's not the same as "Designing Cisco Networks.") In answer to your actual question, you would be missing out on a great book if you don't read Doyle's "Routing TCP/IP." It is not focused only on configuration. It is focused on explaining how the routing protocols really work. You should read it for all certs, I think. Priscilla At 08:09 AM 11/7/00, Bruce Williams wrote: >Cisco has the following books on the CCIE Design Recommended reading list: >Enhanced IP Services for Cisco Networks (Lee, Cisco Press) >Cisco CCIE Fundamentals: Network Design and Case Studies (Cisco Press) >CCIE Professional Development : Advanced IP Network Design >(White/Retana/Slice, Cisco Press) >Designing Campus Networks (Quinn-Andry and Haller, Cisco Press) >Top-Down Network Design (Oppenheimer, Cisco Press) > >They do not list the primary book that people swear by for the CCIE R&S, >TCP/IP Routing by Jeff Doyle. I assume that this books is focused more on >configuration than design. Unless someone can advise me otherwise I am going >to read the books on the list and not read TCP/IP Routing. I already have my >CCNP and CCDP so I assume that Network Design and Case Studies along with >Enhanced IP Services and Advanced IP Network Design will prepare me for the >CCIE Design. I would appreciate any comments or suggestions on how to >prepare for the CCIE Design. > >Bruce >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Design Reading List
I do read it when I need to know something. We use EIGRP primarily at my job and I had to use Jeff's book to help me out with some things, but I dont think I am going to read it cover to cover like I do with books that I am using to prepare for an exam. If I find that my current reading is not sufficient I will pick it Jeff's book and read it cover to cover. ""Peter Van Oene"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Maybe Cisco is pissed because Jeff works for Juniper. > > In any event, although I haven't looked heavily into the design track, I would not overlook Jeff's book. It is still IMO the best IGP book on the market. > > Pete > > > *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** > > On 11/7/2000 at 8:09 AM Bruce Williams wrote: > > >Cisco has the following books on the CCIE Design Recommended reading list: > >Enhanced IP Services for Cisco Networks (Lee, Cisco Press) > >Cisco CCIE Fundamentals: Network Design and Case Studies (Cisco Press) > >CCIE Professional Development : Advanced IP Network Design > >(White/Retana/Slice, Cisco Press) > >Designing Campus Networks (Quinn-Andry and Haller, Cisco Press) > >Top-Down Network Design (Oppenheimer, Cisco Press) > > > >They do not list the primary book that people swear by for the CCIE R&S, > >TCP/IP Routing by Jeff Doyle. I assume that this books is focused more on > >configuration than design. Unless someone can advise me otherwise I am going > >to read the books on the list and not read TCP/IP Routing. I already have my > >CCNP and CCDP so I assume that Network Design and Case Studies along with > >Enhanced IP Services and Advanced IP Network Design will prepare me for the > >CCIE Design. I would appreciate any comments or suggestions on how to > >prepare for the CCIE Design. > > > >Bruce > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > >_ > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Design Reading List
Maybe Cisco is pissed because Jeff works for Juniper. In any event, although I haven't looked heavily into the design track, I would not overlook Jeff's book. It is still IMO the best IGP book on the market. Pete *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 11/7/2000 at 8:09 AM Bruce Williams wrote: >Cisco has the following books on the CCIE Design Recommended reading list: >Enhanced IP Services for Cisco Networks (Lee, Cisco Press) >Cisco CCIE Fundamentals: Network Design and Case Studies (Cisco Press) >CCIE Professional Development : Advanced IP Network Design >(White/Retana/Slice, Cisco Press) >Designing Campus Networks (Quinn-Andry and Haller, Cisco Press) >Top-Down Network Design (Oppenheimer, Cisco Press) > >They do not list the primary book that people swear by for the CCIE R&S, >TCP/IP Routing by Jeff Doyle. I assume that this books is focused more on >configuration than design. Unless someone can advise me otherwise I am going >to read the books on the list and not read TCP/IP Routing. I already have my >CCNP and CCDP so I assume that Network Design and Case Studies along with >Enhanced IP Services and Advanced IP Network Design will prepare me for the >CCIE Design. I would appreciate any comments or suggestions on how to >prepare for the CCIE Design. > >Bruce >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Design Reading List
Cisco has the following books on the CCIE Design Recommended reading list: Enhanced IP Services for Cisco Networks (Lee, Cisco Press) Cisco CCIE Fundamentals: Network Design and Case Studies (Cisco Press) CCIE Professional Development : Advanced IP Network Design (White/Retana/Slice, Cisco Press) Designing Campus Networks (Quinn-Andry and Haller, Cisco Press) Top-Down Network Design (Oppenheimer, Cisco Press) They do not list the primary book that people swear by for the CCIE R&S, TCP/IP Routing by Jeff Doyle. I assume that this books is focused more on configuration than design. Unless someone can advise me otherwise I am going to read the books on the list and not read TCP/IP Routing. I already have my CCNP and CCDP so I assume that Network Design and Case Studies along with Enhanced IP Services and Advanced IP Network Design will prepare me for the CCIE Design. I would appreciate any comments or suggestions on how to prepare for the CCIE Design. Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Design Lab
I was curious about that also, but I dont know. Please let me know how you do on the Lab. It would be encouraging to hear from someone who passed this exam. I am preparing for my CCIE Design also. Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] ""SINEATH, JOSEPH E (AIT)"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Group, > > I am sitting for the CCIE Design lab next Wednesday, 11/8. I passed the > written at Networker's in July, and have been basically studying the > objectives and references page since then. > > I've been scouring the newsgroups and mailing lists, as the Design lab is > supposed to be a new format. I haven't been able to find anyone who's taken > it, much less passed it. Cisco states that a "Network Verification Tool > (NVT)" will be used to assess the design; I'm assuming NetSys. Any input? > > Regards, > Eric Sineath, CCIE #4504 > Senior Consultant > SBC DataComm > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Which is teh best CCIE R/S or CCIE Design?
I think the upcoming CCIE / Security will be HOT!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of mindiani mindiani Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 6:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Which is teh best CCIE R/S or CCIE Design? Please I need your input. I am thinking to build my Lab based on one of the CCIE. Which one of the two CCIE (R/S or Design)would be good for someone who is already CCNP/CCDP ?. I am thinking that the CCIE Design would be highly respected. Thanks _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which is teh best CCIE R/S or CCIE Design?
On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, mindiani mindiani wrote: > > Please I need your input. I am thinking to build my Lab based on one of the > CCIE. Which one of the two CCIE (R/S or Design)would be good for someone who > is already CCNP/CCDP ?. I am thinking that the CCIE Design would be highly > respected. To me this is only something you can decide. what is it you like to do? What is it you are most knowledgable / comfortable with? Thats what I would ask. Pay, respect..these things don't really matter IMHO when differentiating between R/S or Design diciplines...both are highly respected and both would pay wellbut in the end you are the one stuck with the job, so it should be something you love to do. brian > > > Thanks > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- Brian Feeny, CCNP, CCDP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Design Lab
Group, I am sitting for the CCIE Design lab next Wednesday, 11/8. I passed the written at Networker's in July, and have been basically studying the objectives and references page since then. I've been scouring the newsgroups and mailing lists, as the Design lab is supposed to be a new format. I haven't been able to find anyone who's taken it, much less passed it. Cisco states that a "Network Verification Tool (NVT)" will be used to assess the design; I'm assuming NetSys. Any input? Regards, Eric Sineath, CCIE #4504 Senior Consultant SBC DataComm _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Which is teh best CCIE R/S or CCIE Design?
Please I need your input. I am thinking to build my Lab based on one of the CCIE. Which one of the two CCIE (R/S or Design)would be good for someone who is already CCNP/CCDP ?. I am thinking that the CCIE Design would be highly respected. Thanks _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Design Candidates
A couple of weeks ago there were some posts from people who were about to take the CCIE Design. How did you do? What study materials did you use? Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Design Lab
Have you talked with your local Channel Account Manager or other local Cisco support people? If you can find someone in your local Cisco office who has taken the test they are usually very good resources. John R. -Original Message- From: Bruce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 11:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Design Lab I am considering going for the CCIE Design instead of the routing and switching. Is anyone else taking this route. I already have a good idea how to prepare for the CCIE Design written exam, but even after reading the information on Cisco's website, I am not quite sure how to prepare for the CCIE Design Lab exam. I mean there are plenty of resources to practice the CCIE routing and switching lab, but where do you practice for the CCIE Design Lab? I would appreciate any feedback at all on this one. Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Design Lab
I am considering going for the CCIE Design instead of the routing and switching. Is anyone else taking this route. I already have a good idea how to prepare for the CCIE Design written exam, but even after reading the information on Cisco's website, I am not quite sure how to prepare for the CCIE Design Lab exam. I mean there are plenty of resources to practice the CCIE routing and switching lab, but where do you practice for the CCIE Design Lab? I would appreciate any feedback at all on this one. Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE design
Voice/ATM/Network-Management/SNA-IP Specification subjects will be
useful, and CSE Enterprise/SMB/AVVID also help you to conquer it.
About broadband technology, you must know cable, xDSL, satellite,,,
May you enjoy yourself on your internetworking discovery road.
(I have no resource list, no special stuffs for CCIE Design.)
GEM
On 28 Sep 2000 13:51:37 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Frank Wells")
wrote:
>Do you have a list of the resources you used to study all this material
>please?
>
>Thanks a lot.
>
>>From: Gem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Frank Wells")
>>Subject: Re: CCIE design
>>Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 01:24:04 +0800
>>
>>
>>Take 351-014(CCIE Design Beta) without any preparation in APR,
>>failed it less than 6 points. I'll try 350-014 next Thursday,
>>with much more preparation. Here is the section module, FYI
>>
>>1. Access Technology
>>2. Access Protocols, Features, and Architecture
>>3. Distribution Layer Technologies
>>4. Distribution Protocols
>>5. Core Technologies
>>6. Core Protocols
>>7. Core Applications
>>8. Campus Design Issues
>>9. WAN Design Issues
>>10.Multiservice Design
>>11.SNA/IP Migration
>>12.Network Management
>>
>>If you have finished CCDP, I think you'd focus more on Section
>>10/11/12, the problem style is more similar to DCN instead of CID.
>>
>>GEM
>>
>>On 28 Sep 2000 12:23:43 -0400, in groupstudy.cisco you wrote:
>>
>> >It's just a couple of hundred bucks bro, don't sweat it too much.
>> >
>> >Best of luck.
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: "McCallum, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>Reply-To: "McCallum, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>Subject: CCIE design
>> >>Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:16:21 +0100
>> >>
>> >>Hi people,
>> >>
>> >>I have became totally insane and have booked myself on the CCIE design
>> >>written exam on the 27th October. Why? I have no idea. Anyhow do any
>>of
>> >>you have any ideas, tips on what to expect in this exam. I have of
>>course
>> >>downloaded the Cisco exam list and have read most of the books, although
>> >>still some areas which need sorting out (Voice and SNA). Is this exam
>> >>written in the same fashion as the CID (if so I think a rope might come
>>in
>> >>handy). Any help / insight would be appreciated. I am becoming
>> >>increasingly more nervous as each day passes. The thought of the
>>unknown
>> >>being the worst thing.
>> >>
>> >>Cheers.
>> >>
>> >>Robert McCallum
>> >>
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Re: CCIE design
Focus on "Campus Design Issues","Wan Design Issues" , "Nework Management "and " Access Technologies". ""McCallum, Robert"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] .uk... > Hi people, > > I have became totally insane and have booked myself on the CCIE design > written exam on the 27th October. Why? I have no idea. Anyhow do any of > you have any ideas, tips on what to expect in this exam. I have of course > downloaded the Cisco exam list and have read most of the books, although > still some areas which need sorting out (Voice and SNA). Is this exam > written in the same fashion as the CID (if so I think a rope might come in > handy). Any help / insight would be appreciated. I am becoming > increasingly more nervous as each day passes. The thought of the unknown > being the worst thing. > > Cheers. > > Robert McCallum > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE design
Do you have a list of the resources you used to study all this material
please?
Thanks a lot.
>From: Gem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Frank Wells")
>Subject: Re: CCIE design
>Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 01:24:04 +0800
>
>
>Take 351-014(CCIE Design Beta) without any preparation in APR,
>failed it less than 6 points. I'll try 350-014 next Thursday,
>with much more preparation. Here is the section module, FYI
>
>1. Access Technology
>2. Access Protocols, Features, and Architecture
>3. Distribution Layer Technologies
>4. Distribution Protocols
>5. Core Technologies
>6. Core Protocols
>7. Core Applications
>8. Campus Design Issues
>9. WAN Design Issues
>10.Multiservice Design
>11.SNA/IP Migration
>12.Network Management
>
>If you have finished CCDP, I think you'd focus more on Section
>10/11/12, the problem style is more similar to DCN instead of CID.
>
>GEM
>
>On 28 Sep 2000 12:23:43 -0400, in groupstudy.cisco you wrote:
>
> >It's just a couple of hundred bucks bro, don't sweat it too much.
> >
> >Best of luck.
> >
> >
> >>From: "McCallum, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Reply-To: "McCallum, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Subject: CCIE design
> >>Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:16:21 +0100
> >>
> >>Hi people,
> >>
> >>I have became totally insane and have booked myself on the CCIE design
> >>written exam on the 27th October. Why? I have no idea. Anyhow do any
>of
> >>you have any ideas, tips on what to expect in this exam. I have of
>course
> >>downloaded the Cisco exam list and have read most of the books, although
> >>still some areas which need sorting out (Voice and SNA). Is this exam
> >>written in the same fashion as the CID (if so I think a rope might come
>in
> >>handy). Any help / insight would be appreciated. I am becoming
> >>increasingly more nervous as each day passes. The thought of the
>unknown
> >>being the worst thing.
> >>
> >>Cheers.
> >>
> >>Robert McCallum
> >>
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Re: CCIE design
The CCIE Design exam is probably the most difficult written exam that Cisco offers... Does that help? Good Luck! Let us know how you do! Dale [=`) >From: "McCallum, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "McCallum, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: CCIE design >Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:16:21 +0100 > >Hi people, > >I have became totally insane and have booked myself on the CCIE design >written exam on the 27th October. Why? I have no idea. Anyhow do any of >you have any ideas, tips on what to expect in this exam. I have of course >downloaded the Cisco exam list and have read most of the books, although >still some areas which need sorting out (Voice and SNA). Is this exam >written in the same fashion as the CID (if so I think a rope might come in >handy). Any help / insight would be appreciated. I am becoming >increasingly more nervous as each day passes. The thought of the unknown >being the worst thing. > >Cheers. > >Robert McCallum > >**NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html >_ >UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE design
It's just a couple of hundred bucks bro, don't sweat it too much. Best of luck. >From: "McCallum, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "McCallum, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: CCIE design >Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:16:21 +0100 > >Hi people, > >I have became totally insane and have booked myself on the CCIE design >written exam on the 27th October. Why? I have no idea. Anyhow do any of >you have any ideas, tips on what to expect in this exam. I have of course >downloaded the Cisco exam list and have read most of the books, although >still some areas which need sorting out (Voice and SNA). Is this exam >written in the same fashion as the CID (if so I think a rope might come in >handy). Any help / insight would be appreciated. I am becoming >increasingly more nervous as each day passes. The thought of the unknown >being the worst thing. > >Cheers. > >Robert McCallum > >**NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html >_ >UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE design
Hi people, I have became totally insane and have booked myself on the CCIE design written exam on the 27th October. Why? I have no idea. Anyhow do any of you have any ideas, tips on what to expect in this exam. I have of course downloaded the Cisco exam list and have read most of the books, although still some areas which need sorting out (Voice and SNA). Is this exam written in the same fashion as the CID (if so I think a rope might come in handy). Any help / insight would be appreciated. I am becoming increasingly more nervous as each day passes. The thought of the unknown being the worst thing. Cheers. Robert McCallum **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE design
It is not an easy one , I would dare to say that it is harder than CCIE routing and switchin qual. ""F Broudy"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 8pqqj8$hjg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8pqqj8$hjg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Anyone took the ccie design written yet. If so how hard was it and what did > it cover? > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Anyone took the ccie design written yet. If so how hard was it and what did it cover? **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anyone who want study for CCIE Design?
Hi all I am people who is interest in CCIE Design and want discuss with people. Is there sb who has the same interesting with me ? Especially in China. xhwang __ === ÐÂÀËÃâ·Ñµç×ÓÓÊÏä http://mail.sina.com.cn ÐÂÀËÍƳö°ÂÔ˶ÌÐÅÏ¢ÊÖ»úµã²¥·þÎñ http://sms.sina.com.cn/ **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: CCIE Design Written
Title: RE: CCIE Design Written I took the beta exam on April 22nd. 100 questions with emphasis on the following areas: Access technologies Access protocols, features, architecture Distribution layer technologies Distribution protocols Core technologies Core protocols Core applications Campus design issues WAN design issues Multiservice design SNA/IP migration ---> many questions relating to this topic Network management plus quite a few questions on Voice over IP. Brian Dreyer Senior Network Engineer DIRECTV, Inc -Original Message- From: Wayne Lawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 5:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Design Written Has anyone attempted the CCIE Design written? (The official test has only been available since July 10). If so, are there any key items that should be focused on? (Even though I work for Cisco I still don' t have access to any of this info!!!) Thanks in Advance! Wayne Lawson, SE - Cisco Systems CCIE # 5244, CCNA & CCDA, Nortel NCSE, MCSE, CNE, CBE, CNX Ethernet 2000 Town Center, Suite 450 Southfield, MI. 48075 248.455.1663 (Direct Voice) 248.709.5797 (Cellular) 248.455.1699 (Fax) 800.365.4578 (Msg. Center) <http://www.cisco.com> "EMPOWERING THE INTERNET GENERATION"
Re: CCIE Design Written
Wayne, I walked into the Beta exam back in April. I'd say the blueprint is a good description: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/design_blueprint.html >>> "Wayne Lawson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 07/14/00 05:33AM >>> Has anyone attempted the CCIE Design written? (The official test has only been available since July 10). If so, are there any key items that should be focused on? (Even though I work for Cisco I still don' t have access to any of this info!!!) Thanks in Advance! Wayne Lawson, SE - Cisco Systems CCIE # 5244, CCNA & CCDA, Nortel NCSE, MCSE, CNE, CBE, CNX Ethernet 2000 Town Center, Suite 450 Southfield, MI. 48075 248.455.1663 (Direct Voice) 248.709.5797 (Cellular) 248.455.1699 (Fax) 800.365.4578 (Msg. Center) <http://www.cisco.com> "EMPOWERING THE INTERNET GENERATION" ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Design Written
Has anyone attempted the CCIE Design written? (The official test has only been available since July 10). If so, are there any key items that should be focused on? (Even though I work for Cisco I still don' t have access to any of this info!!!) Thanks in Advance! Wayne Lawson, SE - Cisco Systems CCIE # 5244, CCNA & CCDA, Nortel NCSE, MCSE, CNE, CBE, CNX Ethernet 2000 Town Center, Suite 450 Southfield, MI. 48075 248.455.1663 (Direct Voice) 248.709.5797 (Cellular) 248.455.1699 (Fax) 800.365.4578 (Msg. Center) <http://www.cisco.com> "EMPOWERING THE INTERNET GENERATION" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Wayne Lawson FN:Wayne Lawson ORG:Cisco Systems, Inc.;Michigan Commercial TITLE:Systems Engineer TEL;WORK;VOICE:(248) 455-1663 TEL;CELL;VOICE:(248) 867-1827 TEL;WORK;FAX:(248) 455-1699 ADR;WORK:;Cisco - Southfield, MI;2000 Town Center, Suite 450;Southfield;MI;48075;United States of America LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:Cisco - Southfield, MI=0D=0A2000 Town Center, Suite 450=0D=0ASouthfield, MI = 48075=0D=0AUnited States of America ROLE:Network Systems Engineer BDAY:19990608 EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:19991122T204616Z END:VCARD
Re: CCIE Design
The lab will be set up in a fashion where less emphasis will be placed on configs (contrary to CCIE r/s) and more so on your design. The proctor will test your design with a software program able to simulate various applications, and a large volume of devices. So in essence, you can throw together your design, and it will be stress tested. I don't know too many details as the test is still being developed, but that is the basic jist of it. I know a lot more platforms are fair game on the lab (such as AS5300, etc). Chris >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: CCIE Design >Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 15:48:20 +0300 > >Hi. >Does anybody know format of CCIE Design Lab Exam? >thanks. > > > Ali Burçin KOZAK > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Network | > > --G R U B U-- > * 90-216-556 13 53 > > Fax 90-216-556 11 88 > > > >___ >UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: results, of, CCIE, design, beta, qual., exam?
Have patience. 6 to 8 weeks for result. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Larry Yurdin Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 10:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: results, of, CCIE, design, beta, qual., exam? Does anyone know when the results of the beta qualifying exam for the new Design CCIE (given in April)will be announced? It's been awhile. Larry Yurdin CCNP, CCDP, MSCE Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Does anyone know when the results of the beta qualifying exam for the new Design CCIE (given in April)will be announced? It's been awhile. Larry Yurdin CCNP, CCDP, MSCE Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Design Lab and NVT
Doing a search for Network Verification Tool brought me 19 possible items. Of which the first five were useless. http://www.cisco.com/cpropart/sync-src/ccstcp/cc/serv/mkt/sup/ent/nsahas/wel come/nhas_ov.htm Once on the page do a search again using CTRL-F. http://www.cisco.com/cpropart/sync-src/ccstcp/cc/serv/mkt/sup/ent/nsa/welcom e/nsan_ov.htm David C Prall, CCDP CCNP MCSE MCNE [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.com - Original Message - From: "Darren Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 3:35 AM Subject: CCIE Design Lab and NVT > Hi All, > > Does anyone know what software Cisco will be using in their CCIE Design > Lab that has been finally released? > > All it says is : > > "Upon completion of the design, a NVT (Network Verification Tool) will > be used to verify all design requirements are met." > > I'd like to look a bit harder into it by trying to obtain a copy of the > software but when I had called our Cisco Rep he didn't know anything > about it. > > Can anyone shed some light on it for me? > > Darren > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Design Lab Format Released
Anyone have an idea how they are going to number the passing certs? Are they going to continue adding onto the CCIE R/S and CCIE Dial numbers? Or will it be CCDE with new numbers instead of CCIE Design? It would be nice to start with new numbers, giving some newer people a chance to have a lower number. Ryan Moffett wrote: > For anyone wondering, Cisco has released the format of the design lab. You > can get it here: > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/design.html#4 > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Design Lab Format Released
Anyone have an idea how they are going to number the passing certs? Are they going to continue adding onto the CCIE R/S and CCIE Dial numbers? Or will it be CCDE with new numbers instead of CCIE Design? It would be nice to start with new numbers, giving some newer people a chance to have a lower number. Ryan Moffett wrote: > For anyone wondering, Cisco has released the format of the design lab. You > can get it here: > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/design.html#4 > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Design Lab and NVT
Hi All, Does anyone know what software Cisco will be using in their CCIE Design Lab that has been finally released? All it says is : "Upon completion of the design, a NVT (Network Verification Tool) will be used to verify all design requirements are met." I'd like to look a bit harder into it by trying to obtain a copy of the software but when I had called our Cisco Rep he didn't know anything about it. Can anyone shed some light on it for me? Darren ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Design Lab Format Released
For anyone wondering, Cisco has released the format of the design lab. You can get it here: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/certifications/design.html#4 ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ccie design results
Hi, Does anyone know when the ccie design beta written results will be appearing as I am away from home and will not be back until July Thanks Andy ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE-Design Beta
I've been wondering the same thing. I gather it could be as much as two months from the time we took it. If anyone has anything more specific, I'd like to hear it. Larry Yurdin CCDP etc. >From: "Diegmueller, Jason (I.T. Dept)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Diegmueller, Jason (I.T. Dept)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: CCIE-Design Beta >Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:55:43 -0500 > >Anyone have a range of dates Cisco would be getting the results >of the CCIE-Design beta out? No one I've called seems to know >what I'm talking about ... > >___ >UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE-Design Beta
Anyone have a range of dates Cisco would be getting the results of the CCIE-Design beta out? No one I've called seems to know what I'm talking about ... ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE - Design
As as easy as the CCDA? Come on man. I heard from a CCIE it was brutal... Andy Barkl wrote: > I took the written beta 2 weeks back. > I thought it was as easy as the CCDA. > Don't know about the lab exam. > > At 05:41 PM 5/11/2000 -0400, Frederick R. Carlson wrote: > >Hi, > >Has anyone taken the CCIE - Design track written and does anyone know > >when the lab will be out (and what it will be like)?? > > > >Thanks in Advance > >FRC > > > >___ > >UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE - Design
I took the written beta 2 weeks back. I thought it was as easy as the CCDA. Don't know about the lab exam. At 05:41 PM 5/11/2000 -0400, Frederick R. Carlson wrote: >Hi, >Has anyone taken the CCIE - Design track written and does anyone know >when the lab will be out (and what it will be like)?? > >Thanks in Advance >FRC > >___ >UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE - Design
I sat the CCIE design written beta in April. Don't know the results yet (probably flunked it) but in my opinion it was harder than the CCIE R&S written - the Design written requires you to know more about how protocols work, rather than just what they're for. No idea about the lab and I don't have a clue how they would structure a design lab, but I thought the written was a good exam. JMcL -- Forwarded by Jenny Mcleod/NSO/CSDA on 12/05/2000 09:23 --- "Frederick R. Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 12/05/2000 07:41:26 Please respond to "Frederick R. Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: JENNY MCLEOD/NSO/CSDA) Subject: CCIE - Design Hi, Has anyone taken the CCIE - Design track written and does anyone know when the lab will be out (and what it will be like)?? Thanks in Advance FRC ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE - Design
Hi, Has anyone taken the CCIE - Design track written and does anyone know when the lab will be out (and what it will be like)?? Thanks in Advance FRC ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
