Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary - Please move to the Jobs group
On 9 Oct 2000 22:26:49 -0400, John Hardman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: :Thought the jobs list got killed since it is no longer available on the news :server. How about a newsgroup of it for us that don't want to take all the :email? I'm reading it on the news server. groupstudy.jobs on the groupstudy.com NNTP server works for me. The ccielab list is the only one not mirrored to Usenet AFAICT, which is probably a good thing as it's relatively low traffic and has good s/n. I finally unsubbed from the e-mail feed on the main list to give Paul's mail server and my procmail a small amount of rest, and have been using the newsfeed. Works great. -- Jay Hennigan - Network Administration - [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetLojix Communications, Inc. NASDAQ: NETX - http://www.netlojix.com/ WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323 **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary - Please move to the Jobs group
Hi Thought the jobs list got killed since it is no longer available on the news server. How about a newsgroup of it for us that don't want to take all the email? TIA -- John Hardman, CCNP MCSE+I ""Paul Borghese"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 8rtl7m$djd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8rtl7m$djd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi, > > Please move this discussion to the groupstudy.com jobs mailing list. The jobs mailing list was setup to keep jobs related > discussions of the tech group. In fact there are many headhunters and employment specialist who can handle this type of question. > > Thanks, > > Paul > ""Avran"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 8rtkmn$bht$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8rtkmn$bht$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > You are not required to provide this info. However, they are not required > > to give you the job either. Hope you did not lie about it already. If you > > did, move on to dice.com, itjobs.com etc. > > > > You may want to find out what your existing payscale is. For example a > > project manager makes 42 to 60 grant based on qualification etc. Talk to > > your HR about the max an employee can make at that scale. > > > > > > Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > > Hey Guys, > > > I recently had an interview with a company that requires proof of > > > my previous salary. I don't want to show them anything about my > > > previous salary. How do you think I can go about it? > > > Thanks > > > > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > > > _ > > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > > _ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary
> You may want to find out what your existing payscale is. For example a > project manager makes 42 to 60 grant based on qualification etc. Talk to > your HR about the max an employee can make at that scale. > I would be very surprised if the number of managers willing to do this exceeds single digits.. Brian **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary - Please move to the Jobs group
Hi, Please move this discussion to the groupstudy.com jobs mailing list. The jobs mailing list was setup to keep jobs related discussions of the tech group. In fact there are many headhunters and employment specialist who can handle this type of question. Thanks, Paul ""Avran"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 8rtkmn$bht$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8rtkmn$bht$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > You are not required to provide this info. However, they are not required > to give you the job either. Hope you did not lie about it already. If you > did, move on to dice.com, itjobs.com etc. > > You may want to find out what your existing payscale is. For example a > project manager makes 42 to 60 grant based on qualification etc. Talk to > your HR about the max an employee can make at that scale. > > > Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > Hey Guys, > > I recently had an interview with a company that requires proof of > > my previous salary. I don't want to show them anything about my > > previous salary. How do you think I can go about it? > > Thanks > > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > > _ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary
You are not required to provide this info. However, they are not required to give you the job either. Hope you did not lie about it already. If you did, move on to dice.com, itjobs.com etc. You may want to find out what your existing payscale is. For example a project manager makes 42 to 60 grant based on qualification etc. Talk to your HR about the max an employee can make at that scale. Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hey Guys, > I recently had an interview with a company that requires proof of > my previous salary. I don't want to show them anything about my > previous salary. How do you think I can go about it? > Thanks > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary
Rule 1: You are only worth what it costs to replace you. Rule 2: There is ALWAYS someone willing to do more work for less money. On applications, it normally asks salary at each position. I typically list the range of my present position. I am normally willing to provide a copy of my present job description, and the HR document that show the salary range for the position. (depending on where I am in the scale) It boils down to the point where your skills are more important to one employer than another, and that employer is willing to show it. For me to leave one job and go to another, so same responsibilities and same pay, there must be something extremely wrong with my present employer. On the other hand... moving to a new job often means new responsibilities and challenges. If I am happy where I am, the potential employer needs to provide an incentive for me to leave... and to do that I typically I look for at least a 10% - 20% jump in pay. Ed **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Companies requiring proof of previous salary
Title: RE: Companies requiring proof of previous salary OOPS! Sorry folks - I mistyped the URL. For those of you that are interested, refere to: www.asktheheadhunter.com Again, sorry for the typo! Michael Dingeldey CCDA, CCNP Senior Network Engineer Interactive Business Systems Ph: (734) 542-9137 Fx: (734) 542-9149 -Original Message-From: Dingeldey, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 7:56 AMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: Companies requiring proof of previous salary Another way to look at this issue has been highlighted at the website www.headhunter.com . If anyone is seriously considering changing positions, this site is a must! There have always been discussions in regards to salary; as has been indicated, many companies want your previous "history" so that they can be cheap. The best method to protect the information is to specify that your compensation data is covered under a confidentiality agreement; usually, any good corporation will recognize that. Of course, it *is* a good idea to verify this before saying it... HTH. Michael Dingeldey CCDA, CCNP Senior Network Engineer Interactive Business Systems Ph: (734) 542-9137 Fx: (734) 542-9149 -Original Message- From: Kenneth Lorenzo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 9:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary Unless you're dying to have the job, I think you should tell them that you are not going to tell them how much you're making right now. Like other guys have said, this is one way for them to cheap out on you. This potentially tells a lot about the potential employer, too. "Stephane Wantou Siantou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hey Guys, > I recently had an interview with a company that requires proof of > my previous salary. I don't want to show them anything about my > previous salary. How do you think I can go about it? > Thanks > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Companies requiring proof of previous salary
Title: RE: Companies requiring proof of previous salary Another way to look at this issue has been highlighted at the website www.headhunter.com . If anyone is seriously considering changing positions, this site is a must! There have always been discussions in regards to salary; as has been indicated, many companies want your previous "history" so that they can be cheap. The best method to protect the information is to specify that your compensation data is covered under a confidentiality agreement; usually, any good corporation will recognize that. Of course, it *is* a good idea to verify this before saying it... HTH. Michael Dingeldey CCDA, CCNP Senior Network Engineer Interactive Business Systems Ph: (734) 542-9137 Fx: (734) 542-9149 -Original Message- From: Kenneth Lorenzo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 9:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary Unless you're dying to have the job, I think you should tell them that you are not going to tell them how much you're making right now. Like other guys have said, this is one way for them to cheap out on you. This potentially tells a lot about the potential employer, too. "Stephane Wantou Siantou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]" TARGET="_blank">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hey Guys, > I recently had an interview with a company that requires proof of > my previous salary. I don't want to show them anything about my > previous salary. How do you think I can go about it? > Thanks > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary
I strongly disagree with this. Previous salary says a lot about how valuable your last employer thought you were to them specifically and how much they felt they could pay you and still keep you. Almost all employers would probably counteroffer you if you said you were going to leave. My last two did, by upwards of 20%. Does that mean my skill level jumped 20% right after I decided to leave and they decided they wanted me a little more? Why should my new potential employer pay me based on what someone else thinks I'm worth? Why should they leave their business decisions up to someone else? My last company thought of me as a cost center. I was there to support their network. My new company, where I am a consultant, bills me out at $200/hr (pays me nowhere near that much... heheh) and definitely considers me a profit center. I bring them money and they in turn think of me as more valuable. Did I jump skill level from the last day at my last job and the first day of my new job no. But my value to my employer did. And that's what counts. Mike --- whatshakin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Previous salary says a lot about a persons skill > level. After all, if you > are not worth your former or current employer paying > you what you are asking > for, why should another employer pay you that much? > > Granted, it is a well known fact that many employees > often do not recieve > the benefits they deserve if they remain at one > company for more than five > years or so. However, your salary is probably not > too far off what a job > change will get you. This being the case, it should > not be too embarassing > telling your prospective employer what you currently > make. If it is, you > are probably not worth what you are shooting for. > > There are exceptions to the rule. > > - Original Message - > From: Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: Companies requiring proof of previous > salary > > > > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Stephane Wantou Siantou wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey Guys, > > > I recently had an interview with a company that > requires proof of > > > my previous salary. I don't want to show them > anything about my > > > previous salary. How do you think I can go > about it? > > > Thanks > > > > I would tell them to take a leap. Your previous > salary is *no* basis for > > what you are worth to them. It shouldn't even > matter. > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For > more information go to > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > > > _ > > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations > to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > --- > > Brian Feeny, CCNP, CCDP [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Network Administrator > > ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) > > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For > more information go to > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > > _ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more > information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary
As noted by the others, I would seriously consider this request under the guise of the company and position. Unless you have verbally told them your current salary there is no reason to provide this now - and if you did provide a verbal on this information then either they don't believe you or their policy doesn't believe you. Either way, trust is hard to earn when it has been lost. With the market s hot right now, this is too much. BTW - I've turned down two positions that have asked for too much and NEVER regreted either choice (one wanted 1040s!) Good luck. --- Kenneth Lorenzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unless you're dying to have the job, I think you > should tell them that you > are not going to tell them how much you're making > right now. Like other guys > have said, this is one way for them to cheap out on > you. This potentially > tells a lot about the potential employer, too. > > "Stephane Wantou Siantou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > Hey Guys, > > I recently had an interview with a company that > requires proof of > > my previous salary. I don't want to show them > anything about my > > previous salary. How do you think I can go about > it? > > Thanks > > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For > more information go to > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > > _ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more > information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Robert Padjen __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary
what do you mean theres no santa? :~( :P **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary
You made some excellent points. I too value a candidates attitiudes as much as their skills. In a large environment it is just as important that folks get along as it is they get the work done. Ironically, harmony faciltiates productive work, and appropriate compensation produces some harmony. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'whatshakin' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 10:32 PM Subject: RE: Companies requiring proof of previous salary I do enough of it to know. I am one of the people doing the filtering and it is rough sorting them out. For all of the methods that I have tried to evaluate somebody for a given position, the least reliable information I can rely on is what the last guy thought the candidate was worth. If it were right would we be talking in the first place? When it comes down to money I try to have a picture of what the candidate can bring to the table versus what we need to meet our objectives for the task at hand. It's not easy but I personally lean away from specific skill-sets and salary in favor of attitude, confidence and talent. Good people will do well at anything they commit to and are always a bargain at market prices. On the business side of it though, I'm worried about the money/budget/skill-sets etc that make a project tick. Sometimes it is difficult not to take advantage of the situation to close the gaps in the budget. In reality that makes it a budget problem which is something else entirely. As far as salary histories go I feel that the act of requiring the upper hand in a financial negotiation cuts against the grain of my belief that good business is mutually beneficial to both parties and is to be conducted in good faith. Are all employers against you? I think not. But some are. They are best avoided. Ken Leja -Original Message- From: whatshakin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 10:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary You make it sound like employers are against you...Employers are actually hoping you are the candidate they are looking for, so they don't have to go through this: Run an ad in a newspaper/online or use a recruiting service. In my city, I get hundreds, sometimes thousands of responses. Wade through the resumes initially looking for the usual B.S (experienced in X...been working since Y(not really experienced)), and also pruning the idiots that cannot even bother to get their resumes to a professional level. This usually weans the resume pile by 90%. Read resumes again in more detail looking for those skills that match what we are looking for. Begin scheduling technical interviews and spending time with those candidates that are/were good at B.S*ing and those that are legitimate. Numerous hours/days later we have a handful (if lucky) of potential candidates. Schedule the second round of interviews to test inter-personal skills and hopefully get to within two or three candidates. From the remaining candidates, if any, schedule third round interviews and get down to the nitty gritty of money and benefits etc. A month or so after beginning we may finally get some decent help... Most employers are more than willing to pay well the candidates that have what we want. If you only have a couple of years experience though, you must realize you are not going to get more than $50K. No way. Wouldn't it be nice if the perfect candidate came walking through the door every time you needed one? Doesn't happen, instead we have to go through that crap. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'whatshakin' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:33 PM Subject: RE: Companies requiring proof of previous salary > > My policy is that it can only be used against you in the negotiation process. > If they know what you are making they have at least an idea for a minimum offer based on that. Key word: "Minimum". > > Besides, one of the documents that you most likely be requested to sign later is some sort of non-disclosure agreement that probably limits your ability to divulge your salary to other employees or prospective employers. > > I make it known that my dealings with my clientele are kept private, and that salary / salary offers are one of the items covered by that deal. If you are required to divulge that information, it is then not private and they can no longer expect you to keep it that way (But will probably try anyway). I stand firm on my ethic and if they do not respect that then I can not accept the position. My last two employers "required" salary histories and when I explained my position, not only did I earn their respect, but I received offers at slightly higher than market average. I have likely also have been
Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary
Hi Then you are truly a good person in your dealings, and commend you for it, and hope that you can continue to practice business that way. But you have to admit, that part of your job is to keep costs down, and you will likely admit that the cost of a resource is a fair amount of a IT budget these days, so it is to your advantage to get the best possible people for the least amount of salary and benefits possible. It is quite likely as a manager that part of your compensation is based on hitting budget numbers, again there is another strike against "fighting for the employee". So the bottom line is that businesses are in business to make money. Everyone that has financial responsibilities in the business has a responsibility to drive profit to the highest levels possible. If you don't the ownership will remove you. It doesn't matter if it is a fortune 500 company that gets killed in the stock market or a small "mom and pop shop", if you are not making money to the owner's expectations, the ownership will make the changes it sees fit to make money. So if a business is in the business of making money then they are not on the side of helping people make more money, have better benefits, better training, up to the point that it starts to cost them money. I once heard a successful business man say to me, while I was working for him, that "XXX was built on the backs of excellent IT people that were too stupid to fight for money, and worked for sh$% wages." Why? Because he could bill them out on contracts for very high rates and pay the employee crap. Frankly I hear lots of IT people say that it is coming time to have a IT union, and based on my last ten years of work in IT, I would have to agree. People are being taken advantage of big time, all of the time. A good example, a manager recently told me that he would never pay a CCIE $100K/yr, that it was too much money for the certification, well we all know that is BS. How about the companies that hire programmers on salary and work them 60-80 hours a week without extra compensation or time off. Or how about the recent bill in the US that is going to exempt IT professionals from overtime time pay. Or my friend that works as a desktop tech and is paid $47K/yr by the job shop, and the contract pays the job shop $108K/yr for him, if a bank made that much money on a loan, they would be committing a crime, loansharking. Now just imagine if there was a general strike of IT workers in the US, the country would grind to a halt in a very short period of time. One can make the argument that IT people should not work in places that act like that, but that leaves VERY few places to work for. One could say that IT people need to stand up for better pay, better benefits, etc, but guess what a company can hold out MUCH longer than the average person can, which means IT people end up take jobs that pay less than they should. Sorry for the ranting and raving, but it really gets my blood boiling when someone tells me that business is on my side, I know better, I have seen too much to ever believe that one, it's kind of like finding out there is no Santa when you are a kid. -- John Hardman, CCNP MCSE+I ""whatshakin"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > You make it sound like employers are against you...Employers are actually > hoping you are the candidate they are looking for, so they don't have to go > through this: > > Run an ad in a newspaper/online or use a recruiting service. In my city, I > get hundreds, sometimes thousands of responses. Wade through the resumes > initially looking for the usual B.S (experienced in X...been working since > Y(not really experienced)), and also pruning the idiots that cannot even > bother to get their resumes to a professional level. > > This usually weans the resume pile by 90%. > > Read resumes again in more detail looking for those skills that match what > we are looking for. > > Begin scheduling technical interviews and spending time with those > candidates that are/were good at B.S*ing and those that are legitimate. > > Numerous hours/days later we have a handful (if lucky) of potential > candidates. Schedule the second round of interviews to test inter-personal > skills and hopefully get to within two or three candidates. From the > remaining candidates, if any, schedule third round interviews and get down > to the nitty gritty of money and benefits etc. > > A month or so after beginning we may finally get some decent help... > > Most employers are more than willing to pay well the candidates that have > what we want. If you only have a couple of years experience though, you > must realize you are not going to get more than $50K. No way. > > Wouldn't it be nice if the perfect candidate came walking through the door > every time you needed one? Doesn't happen, instead we have to go through > that crap. > > <--Snip--> **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more
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Prospective employers should definitely not leave it up to the previous employer to determine what a person is worth. However, they should use it as a point of reference. If your last employer does not or will not pay you what you want, it begs the question 'Why?'. There are really only a few answers that apply: Employee does not want to stay for whatever reason. The task(s) they perform are not worthy of X dollars. Outgrown position, low skill level etc. They are happy to see you leave. Based on these scenario's, the only ones that springs to mind as valid reasons to warrant a significant pay hike are an employee wishing to leave because they are bored and need more of a challenge, or because they are significantly underpaid. In either case they would also need some sort of proof of increased worth. Diplomas and Certs are two possibilities that fall into this category. It comes as no surprise to anyone that counteroffers are normally made to employee's of value that have expressed their desire to leave. This is also factored into the offer your potential employer will make. The whole Consultant/Corporate-body scenario is just basic business economics. - Original Message - From: Michael Le <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: whatshakin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 8:48 PM Subject: Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary > I strongly disagree with this. Previous salary says a > lot about how valuable your last employer thought you > were to them specifically and how much they felt they > could pay you and still keep you. Almost all employers > would probably counteroffer you if you said you were > going to leave. My last two did, by upwards of 20%. > Does that mean my skill level jumped 20% right after I > decided to leave and they decided they wanted me a > little more? > Why should my new potential employer pay me based on > what someone else thinks I'm worth? Why should they > leave their business decisions up to someone else? My > last company thought of me as a cost center. I was > there to support their network. My new company, where > I am a consultant, bills me out at $200/hr (pays me > nowhere near that much... heheh) and definitely > considers me a profit center. I bring them money and > they in turn think of me as more valuable. Did I jump > skill level from the last day at my last job and the > first day of my new job no. But my value to my > employer did. And that's what counts. > > Mike > > --- whatshakin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Previous salary says a lot about a persons skill > > level. After all, if you > > are not worth your former or current employer paying > > you what you are asking > > for, why should another employer pay you that much? > > > > Granted, it is a well known fact that many employees > > often do not recieve > > the benefits they deserve if they remain at one > > company for more than five > > years or so. However, your salary is probably not > > too far off what a job > > change will get you. This being the case, it should > > not be too embarassing > > telling your prospective employer what you currently > > make. If it is, you > > are probably not worth what you are shooting for. > > > > There are exceptions to the rule. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:26 PM > > Subject: Re: Companies requiring proof of previous > > salary > > > > > > > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Stephane Wantou Siantou wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Guys, > > > > I recently had an interview with a company that > > requires proof of > > > > my previous salary. I don't want to show them > > anything about my > > > > previous salary. How do you think I can go > > about it? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > I would tell them to take a leap. Your previous > > salary is *no* basis for > > > what you are worth to them. It shouldn't even > > matter. > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For > > more information go to > > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > > > > _ > > > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription inf
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I do enough of it to know. I am one of the people doing the filtering and it is rough sorting them out. For all of the methods that I have tried to evaluate somebody for a given position, the least reliable information I can rely on is what the last guy thought the candidate was worth. If it were right would we be talking in the first place? When it comes down to money I try to have a picture of what the candidate can bring to the table versus what we need to meet our objectives for the task at hand. It's not easy but I personally lean away from specific skill-sets and salary in favor of attitude, confidence and talent. Good people will do well at anything they commit to and are always a bargain at market prices. On the business side of it though, I'm worried about the money/budget/skill-sets etc that make a project tick. Sometimes it is difficult not to take advantage of the situation to close the gaps in the budget. In reality that makes it a budget problem which is something else entirely. As far as salary histories go I feel that the act of requiring the upper hand in a financial negotiation cuts against the grain of my belief that good business is mutually beneficial to both parties and is to be conducted in good faith. Are all employers against you? I think not. But some are. They are best avoided. Ken Leja -Original Message- From: whatshakin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 10:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary You make it sound like employers are against you...Employers are actually hoping you are the candidate they are looking for, so they don't have to go through this: Run an ad in a newspaper/online or use a recruiting service. In my city, I get hundreds, sometimes thousands of responses. Wade through the resumes initially looking for the usual B.S (experienced in X...been working since Y(not really experienced)), and also pruning the idiots that cannot even bother to get their resumes to a professional level. This usually weans the resume pile by 90%. Read resumes again in more detail looking for those skills that match what we are looking for. Begin scheduling technical interviews and spending time with those candidates that are/were good at B.S*ing and those that are legitimate. Numerous hours/days later we have a handful (if lucky) of potential candidates. Schedule the second round of interviews to test inter-personal skills and hopefully get to within two or three candidates. From the remaining candidates, if any, schedule third round interviews and get down to the nitty gritty of money and benefits etc. A month or so after beginning we may finally get some decent help... Most employers are more than willing to pay well the candidates that have what we want. If you only have a couple of years experience though, you must realize you are not going to get more than $50K. No way. Wouldn't it be nice if the perfect candidate came walking through the door every time you needed one? Doesn't happen, instead we have to go through that crap. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'whatshakin' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:33 PM Subject: RE: Companies requiring proof of previous salary > > My policy is that it can only be used against you in the negotiation process. > If they know what you are making they have at least an idea for a minimum offer based on that. Key word: "Minimum". > > Besides, one of the documents that you most likely be requested to sign later is some sort of non-disclosure agreement that probably limits your ability to divulge your salary to other employees or prospective employers. > > I make it known that my dealings with my clientele are kept private, and that salary / salary offers are one of the items covered by that deal. If you are required to divulge that information, it is then not private and they can no longer expect you to keep it that way (But will probably try anyway). I stand firm on my ethic and if they do not respect that then I can not accept the position. My last two employers "required" salary histories and when I explained my position, not only did I earn their respect, but I received offers at slightly higher than market average. I have likely also have been turned down by potential employers for this reason but I have not regretted the lost opportunity at all. In fact I like to clear this item off the table as early as possible in order to not waste any time on the loosers. In reality every job I have interviewed for (50+) "required" this information at the onset. I have not needed to divulge it in over five years and have doubled my ! > income three times since then. > > The negotiating skills needed to work around this issue say a great
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You make it sound like employers are against you...Employers are actually hoping you are the candidate they are looking for, so they don't have to go through this: Run an ad in a newspaper/online or use a recruiting service. In my city, I get hundreds, sometimes thousands of responses. Wade through the resumes initially looking for the usual B.S (experienced in X...been working since Y(not really experienced)), and also pruning the idiots that cannot even bother to get their resumes to a professional level. This usually weans the resume pile by 90%. Read resumes again in more detail looking for those skills that match what we are looking for. Begin scheduling technical interviews and spending time with those candidates that are/were good at B.S*ing and those that are legitimate. Numerous hours/days later we have a handful (if lucky) of potential candidates. Schedule the second round of interviews to test inter-personal skills and hopefully get to within two or three candidates. From the remaining candidates, if any, schedule third round interviews and get down to the nitty gritty of money and benefits etc. A month or so after beginning we may finally get some decent help... Most employers are more than willing to pay well the candidates that have what we want. If you only have a couple of years experience though, you must realize you are not going to get more than $50K. No way. Wouldn't it be nice if the perfect candidate came walking through the door every time you needed one? Doesn't happen, instead we have to go through that crap. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'whatshakin' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:33 PM Subject: RE: Companies requiring proof of previous salary > > My policy is that it can only be used against you in the negotiation process. > If they know what you are making they have at least an idea for a minimum offer based on that. Key word: "Minimum". > > Besides, one of the documents that you most likely be requested to sign later is some sort of non-disclosure agreement that probably limits your ability to divulge your salary to other employees or prospective employers. > > I make it known that my dealings with my clientele are kept private, and that salary / salary offers are one of the items covered by that deal. If you are required to divulge that information, it is then not private and they can no longer expect you to keep it that way (But will probably try anyway). I stand firm on my ethic and if they do not respect that then I can not accept the position. My last two employers "required" salary histories and when I explained my position, not only did I earn their respect, but I received offers at slightly higher than market average. I have likely also have been turned down by potential employers for this reason but I have not regretted the lost opportunity at all. In fact I like to clear this item off the table as early as possible in order to not waste any time on the loosers. In reality every job I have interviewed for (50+) "required" this information at the onset. I have not needed to divulge it in over five years and have doubled my ! > income three times since then. > > The negotiating skills needed to work around this issue say a great deal more about you than a blind submission to a mandatory policy and a good employer, will surely take notice of that. > > Ken Leja > > -Original Message- > From: whatshakin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 8:02 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary > > Previous salary says a lot about a persons skill level. After all, if you > are not worth your former or current employer paying you what you are asking > for, why should another employer pay you that much? > > Granted, it is a well known fact that many employees often do not recieve > the benefits they deserve if they remain at one company for more than five > years or so. However, your salary is probably not too far off what a job > change will get you. This being the case, it should not be too embarassing > telling your prospective employer what you currently make. If it is, you > are probably not worth what you are shooting for. > > There are exceptions to the rule. > > - Original Message - > From: Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary > > > > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Stephane Wantou Siantou wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey Guys, > > > I recently had an interview with a company that requires proof of > &
RE: Companies requiring proof of previous salary
My policy is that it can only be used against you in the negotiation process. If they know what you are making they have at least an idea for a minimum offer based on that. Key word: "Minimum". Besides, one of the documents that you most likely be requested to sign later is some sort of non-disclosure agreement that probably limits your ability to divulge your salary to other employees or prospective employers. I make it known that my dealings with my clientele are kept private, and that salary / salary offers are one of the items covered by that deal. If you are required to divulge that information, it is then not private and they can no longer expect you to keep it that way (But will probably try anyway). I stand firm on my ethic and if they do not respect that then I can not accept the position. My last two employers "required" salary histories and when I explained my position, not only did I earn their respect, but I received offers at slightly higher than market average. I have likely also have been turned down by potential employers for this reason but I have not regretted the lost opportunity at all. In fact I like to clear this item off the table as early as possible in order to not waste any time on the loosers. In reality every job I have interviewed for (50+) "required" this information at the onset. I have not needed to divulge it in over five years and have doubled my ! income three times since then. The negotiating skills needed to work around this issue say a great deal more about you than a blind submission to a mandatory policy and a good employer, will surely take notice of that. Ken Leja -Original Message- From: whatshakin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 8:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary Previous salary says a lot about a persons skill level. After all, if you are not worth your former or current employer paying you what you are asking for, why should another employer pay you that much? Granted, it is a well known fact that many employees often do not recieve the benefits they deserve if they remain at one company for more than five years or so. However, your salary is probably not too far off what a job change will get you. This being the case, it should not be too embarassing telling your prospective employer what you currently make. If it is, you are probably not worth what you are shooting for. There are exceptions to the rule. - Original Message - From: Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:26 PM Subject: Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Stephane Wantou Siantou wrote: > > > > > Hey Guys, > > I recently had an interview with a company that requires proof of > > my previous salary. I don't want to show them anything about my > > previous salary. How do you think I can go about it? > > Thanks > > I would tell them to take a leap. Your previous salary is *no* basis for > what you are worth to them. It shouldn't even matter. > > Brian > > > > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > > _ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > --- > Brian Feeny, CCNP, CCDP [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Network Administrator > ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I totally disagree with your statement. Just because you're underpaid doesn't mean you don't know anything about what you're doing. A lot of people stay in a job for 2-3 years but only get a 6-7% raise per year but in the process have learned a lot. When he goes looking for a new job, I don't think potential employers should judge him by his current salary but what he's worth when he did the interview. If your statement was true, I'd be getting paid like $50,000 right now because my 1st employer was a cheapskate even though I have quite a bit of experience. ""whatshakin"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Previous salary says a lot about a persons skill level. After all, if you > are not worth your former or current employer paying you what you are asking > for, why should another employer pay you that much? > > Granted, it is a well known fact that many employees often do not recieve > the benefits they deserve if they remain at one company for more than five > years or so. However, your salary is probably not too far off what a job > change will get you. This being the case, it should not be too embarassing > telling your prospective employer what you currently make. If it is, you > are probably not worth what you are shooting for. > > There are exceptions to the rule. > > - Original Message - > From: Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary > > > > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Stephane Wantou Siantou wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey Guys, > > > I recently had an interview with a company that requires proof of > > > my previous salary. I don't want to show them anything about my > > > previous salary. How do you think I can go about it? > > > Thanks > > > > I would tell them to take a leap. Your previous salary is *no* basis for > > what you are worth to them. It shouldn't even matter. > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > > > _ > > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > --- > > Brian Feeny, CCNP, CCDP [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Network Administrator > > ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) > > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > > _ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Phils right, don't lie just cover your bases with multiple offers and then leverage them against each other. Eventually you will get what you want. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Circusnuts > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 2:59 PM > To: Stephane Wantou Siantou; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary > > > There is nothing you can do... If you want the job, then play their game. > When interviewing for noticeably more in salary- it's safer to play offers > (I have offer from XYZ, for XYZ). @ my old company, I saw > handful of people > inflate their current salaries with the wrong potential employers. Very > rarely did I see them get the job, & they always walked away feeling as if > they'd burned bridges. Cisco was one of the companies I particularly > remember checking in detail... > > The whole process is a card game, & you're still required to show > a winning > hand (most of the time) to win the game... > > Good Luck !!! > Phil > > - Original Message - > From: "Stephane Wantou Siantou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 4:56 PM > Subject: Companies requiring proof of previous salary > > > > > > Hey Guys, > > I recently had an interview with a company that requires proof of > > my previous salary. I don't want to show them anything about my > > previous salary. How do you think I can go about it? > > Thanks > > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > > _ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Unless you're dying to have the job, I think you should tell them that you are not going to tell them how much you're making right now. Like other guys have said, this is one way for them to cheap out on you. This potentially tells a lot about the potential employer, too. "Stephane Wantou Siantou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hey Guys, > I recently had an interview with a company that requires proof of > my previous salary. I don't want to show them anything about my > previous salary. How do you think I can go about it? > Thanks > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I was just in the same situation, sort of? I had two companies making offers to me at the same time. Both asked how much I would like to make! I told both the amount I make now... One company came back with less and the other came back with a whole lot more. I used the second offer to get the first one up to where I wanted! It's the job that suited my skills more (design engineer vs. sales engineer) Remember one thing, it's an Employees market. If you don't BS you should not have a problem. If you go in with two years experience and tell them that you make $120K then they may ask for proof. My take on it is if they want you they will pay fair market value. If they nickle and dime you from day one you know what type of employer they will be. Patrick "Stephane Wantou Siantou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hey Guys, > I recently had an interview with a company that requires proof of > my previous salary. I don't want to show them anything about my > previous salary. How do you think I can go about it? > Thanks > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have been on the receiving end of that kind of request recently and what I said was that not only would I not produce a paycheck stub, I would not discuss the salary I receive in my current position for the reason that unless I was being offered an identical set of duties, working conditions and benefits, it would be comparing apples to gorillas. Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hey Guys, > I recently had an interview with a company that requires proof of > my previous salary. I don't want to show them anything about my > previous salary. How do you think I can go about it? > Thanks > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Previous salary says a lot about a persons skill level. After all, if you are not worth your former or current employer paying you what you are asking for, why should another employer pay you that much? Granted, it is a well known fact that many employees often do not recieve the benefits they deserve if they remain at one company for more than five years or so. However, your salary is probably not too far off what a job change will get you. This being the case, it should not be too embarassing telling your prospective employer what you currently make. If it is, you are probably not worth what you are shooting for. There are exceptions to the rule. - Original Message - From: Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:26 PM Subject: Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Stephane Wantou Siantou wrote: > > > > > Hey Guys, > > I recently had an interview with a company that requires proof of > > my previous salary. I don't want to show them anything about my > > previous salary. How do you think I can go about it? > > Thanks > > I would tell them to take a leap. Your previous salary is *no* basis for > what you are worth to them. It shouldn't even matter. > > Brian > > > > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > > _ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > --- > Brian Feeny, CCNP, CCDP [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Network Administrator > ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I absolutely disagree that there's nothing that can be done for a company that exhibits this type of behavior. VOTE WITH YOUR FEET!!! Remember, we're in a time when demand is high and skills are hard to find. Tell the company that your previous salary has zero bearing on what you now expect. If they just want to verify employment, give them the phone number of HR at your previous employer. If they indicate that your new salary will be based on your old, that's fine...tell them where to go and then go get a job with their competitor. Rememberthis type of corporate attitude will permeate your entire employment, not just the hiring process. Do you really want to work in an environment like that? The only situation I can imagine where you might actually need/want to comply with this level of invasiveness is if you're applying for a position requiring a security clearance (gov't or otherwise). In that scenario, the pay information should not be used to compute your current salary, but rather as part of a comprehensive background investigation. Just my $0.02 Craig At 05:59 PM 10/8/2000 -0200, you wrote: >There is nothing you can do... If you want the job, then play their game. >When interviewing for noticeably more in salary- it's safer to play offers >(I have offer from XYZ, for XYZ). @ my old company, I saw handful of people >inflate their current salaries with the wrong potential employers. Very >rarely did I see them get the job, & they always walked away feeling as if >they'd burned bridges. Cisco was one of the companies I particularly >remember checking in detail... > >The whole process is a card game, & you're still required to show a winning >hand (most of the time) to win the game... > >Good Luck !!! >Phil > >- Original Message - >From: "Stephane Wantou Siantou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 4:56 PM >Subject: Companies requiring proof of previous salary > > > > > > Hey Guys, > > I recently had an interview with a company that requires proof of > > my previous salary. I don't want to show them anything about my > > previous salary. How do you think I can go about it? > > Thanks > > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > > _ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >**NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html >_ >UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Stephane Wantou Siantou wrote: > > Hey Guys, > I recently had an interview with a company that requires proof of > my previous salary. I don't want to show them anything about my > previous salary. How do you think I can go about it? > Thanks I would tell them to take a leap. Your previous salary is *no* basis for what you are worth to them. It shouldn't even matter. Brian > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- Brian Feeny, CCNP, CCDP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary
There is nothing you can do... If you want the job, then play their game. When interviewing for noticeably more in salary- it's safer to play offers (I have offer from XYZ, for XYZ). @ my old company, I saw handful of people inflate their current salaries with the wrong potential employers. Very rarely did I see them get the job, & they always walked away feeling as if they'd burned bridges. Cisco was one of the companies I particularly remember checking in detail... The whole process is a card game, & you're still required to show a winning hand (most of the time) to win the game... Good Luck !!! Phil - Original Message - From: "Stephane Wantou Siantou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Companies requiring proof of previous salary > > Hey Guys, > I recently had an interview with a company that requires proof of > my previous salary. I don't want to show them anything about my > previous salary. How do you think I can go about it? > Thanks > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well, for starters, some companies do in fact require that as a basis to verify/validate your requests for a larger number. You may not be able to get around it. Sorry. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Stephane Wantou Siantou > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 1:57 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Companies requiring proof of previous salary > > > > Hey Guys, > I recently had an interview with a company that requires proof of > my previous salary. I don't want to show them anything about my > previous salary. How do you think I can go about it? > Thanks > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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S, This is an improper request from companies requesting this of you. Legally, they can only verify a 'range of salary' when they contact your employer for references. The best thing to say, especially if you don't know how to negotiate or forge a pay stub :-)), is to let them know you would prefer if they check with your company to verify your salary. State, that you know your salary requirements are in-line with what the industry commands for your field (because you've done your research). Then ask them what is the salary range for the position you're applying for? SHUT UP and wait for them to answer. (Remember the golden rule in negotiating any form of money transaction, "He who speaks money 1st, looses") So never give up your bargaining position. If they want you they'll tell you, if not move on! If the salary range is lower than what you're currently making then you know you need to move on. I'm a firm believer that everyone should ALWAYS give themselves a raise or cost of living increase. Be prepared and know what you're worth before you start looking for new opportunities, and decide for yourself and not let them decide for you. Remember if you're good, there's always another offer coming! If more people understand the rules of the game, then we're all apt to win! Best regards, Aderion Brewer President, MACG Metro Atlanta Cisco Group -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stephane Wantou Siantou Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 1:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Companies requiring proof of previous salary Hey Guys, I recently had an interview with a company that requires proof of my previous salary. I don't want to show them anything about my previous salary. How do you think I can go about it? Thanks **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Companies requiring proof of previous salary
Hey Guys, I recently had an interview with a company that requires proof of my previous salary. I don't want to show them anything about my previous salary. How do you think I can go about it? Thanks **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
