Re: BCMSN
I don't recall either on the switching exam. -- Jason Roysdon, CCNA, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ Cisco resources: http://r2cisco.artoo.net/ ""Wilson, Christian"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I have been looking at the exam objectives for BCMSN and notice that it > mentions DDR under Network Fundamentals and ATM/LANE under network > protocols. I have seen nothing for these in the official course book or the > boson exams. Can someone tell me if I need to spen a lot of time looking > into this? Any help would be much appreciated as I test on Friday. > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN
Don't sweat it, it is not on the exam at all. I think it used to appear on the ver 1 exam but it is definitely not on this one. Tai -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Wilson, Christian Sent: 28 November 2000 23:10 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: BCMSN I have been looking at the exam objectives for BCMSN and notice that it mentions DDR under Network Fundamentals and ATM/LANE under network protocols. I have seen nothing for these in the official course book or the boson exams. Can someone tell me if I need to spen a lot of time looking into this? Any help would be much appreciated as I test on Friday. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN
I would say if you are looking for a book and you have have one week to go, you should reschedule the exam. I used course notes to pass this exam. Regards, Jason Baker Network Engineer MCSE, CCNA, AACS, PCP Davnet Telecommunications Pty Ltd Level 50, Rialto South Tower 525 Collins St Melbourne VIC 3000 Tel:613 9614 6646 Fax:613 9620 7497 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davnet.com.au --- Australian General Telecommunications Carrier License No 23 --- Disclaimer: Please note that this correspondence is for the named person's use only and may contain information that is confidential and privileged. If you received this correspondence in error, please immediately delete it from your system and notify the sender. Please ensure that you do not disclose, copy or rely on any part of this correspondence if you are not the intended recipient. We apologise for any inconvenience and thank you for your assistance. Please note that nothing in this correspondence shall be construed or otherwise relied upon by the recipient as an offer, acceptance of an offer, representation, agreement or resolution of any kind. -Original Message- From: Chiao Liang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 12:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BCMSN Hi all I'm taking my BCMSN next week, needed help urgently. Can anyone recommend any site or book for thsi test. Oh if anyone get any resources please help me . Millions of Thanks in advance. Chan CCNA, CCDA _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN
BCMSN from Cisco Press by Karen Web, CCIE ISBN1-57870-093-0 HTH, Tom -- Tom Keough MCSE CCNA AT&T Global Network Solutions Standard Access Management Managed Router Service Tier 2 Technical Support Tampa, Florida "Chiao Liang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi all > > I'm taking my BCMSN next week, needed help urgently. Can anyone > recommend any site or book for thsi test. Oh if anyone get any resources > please help me . Millions of Thanks in advance. > > > Chan > CCNA, CCDA > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN
Guys, I am going through Boson test 1 for this test , did anyone try test 2 and if yes is it better than test 1 Chan I will go for cisco press books , and if I were u , I will reschedule the test . Chiao Liang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi all > > I'm taking my BCMSN next week, needed help urgently. Can anyone > recommend any site or book for thsi test. Oh if anyone get any resources > please help me . Millions of Thanks in advance. > > > Chan > CCNA, CCDA > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN
Don't sweat, go and take the exam. In as much as Boson is not a true reflection of the exam, when you start to get those high marks and you know the reason behind the question why they are wrong or right go take the exam. Boson for BCMSN is harder than the actual exam. that is my opinion. so go knock them for six. Tai -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Manny Colon Sent: 12 January 2001 00:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BCMSN Hello all, I have been studying for the BCMSN exam for about 3 weeks now. I am getting over 80% on Boson test 1 and 2. Am I ready for the exam or should I continue to study until I can get over 90% on the Boson exams? Thank you in advance for the feedback. Manny _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN...
Congratulations ! I will be sitting it myself in a couple of weeks. what subjects would you recommend focussing on ? I've heard that there's lots of questions on STP and IP multicasting. Would you agree ? Also, did you get any "type in the command" questions ? MandyD ccna (3/4 ccnp) ""Jeff Duchin"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 8tviro$e2n$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8tviro$e2n$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Just passed BCMSN today... stokin'. Thanks to all that contribute here and > add water to that sponge in my head. > > Cheers, > Jeff > Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN
I only used BOSON test 1 for BCMSN and I thought it was actually harder than the real test. I was getting in the low 70% on the BOSON test and passed the real test with a score of 856. Also, I used a couple books but "Cisco LAN Switching" by Kevin Hamilton and Kennedy Clark was really all I needed. A great book --Scott W Jones wrote: > Hello Group, > > Can anyone please tell me how good the Boson BCMSN test is. > Which one to buy. Test one or two. > Or is it advisable to buy both. > > Cheers > > W Jones > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN
Took it myself on Thursday. Was in and out in 25 minutes, and that includes the 68 question survey at the end. So far, the easiest Cisco test I have ever seen. I read both Cisco Press and Sybex and Cisco is definately better. The Sybex book goes along with SimSwith, which I must say, though there is not much to it, not a bad tool for $99 bucks !!! --- John Kurkjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I took the exam yesterday (got a 901 on it). A tip > for the group, use the > Cisco Press book. It was much more thorough than the > Sybex book (even though > Sybex is easier reading). > > Just my $0.02 > > John [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Chris from Chicago MasterCNE, 5.x CNE, ICNE, 4.x CNE, CCNA, MCP __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN
I passed the BCMSN this morning. I have to agree that it was a straight-forward exam. I felt good throughout the exam. I used the cisco press books and took the BCMSN class at Mentortech. Two down, two to go for ccnp! -Original Message- From: Chris Haller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 5:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: BCMSN Took it myself on Thursday. Was in and out in 25 minutes, and that includes the 68 question survey at the end. So far, the easiest Cisco test I have ever seen. I read both Cisco Press and Sybex and Cisco is definately better. The Sybex book goes along with SimSwith, which I must say, though there is not much to it, not a bad tool for $99 bucks !!! --- John Kurkjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I took the exam yesterday (got a 901 on it). A tip > for the group, use the > Cisco Press book. It was much more thorough than the > Sybex book (even though > Sybex is easier reading). > > Just my $0.02 > > John [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Chris from Chicago MasterCNE, 5.x CNE, ICNE, 4.x CNE, CCNA, MCP __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN
congratulations! onwards and upwards -e- "Lopez, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I passed the BCMSN this morning. I have to agree that it was a > straight-forward exam. I felt good throughout the exam. I used the cisco > press books and took the BCMSN class at Mentortech. Two down, two to go for > ccnp! > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Haller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 5:21 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: BCMSN > > > Took it myself on Thursday. Was in and out in 25 > minutes, and that includes the 68 question survey at > the end. So far, the easiest Cisco test I have ever > seen. I read both Cisco Press and Sybex and Cisco is > definately better. The Sybex book goes along with > SimSwith, which I must say, though there is not much > to it, not a bad tool for $99 bucks !!! > > > --- John Kurkjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I took the exam yesterday (got a 901 on it). A tip > > for the group, use the > > Cisco Press book. It was much more thorough than the > > Sybex book (even though > > Sybex is easier reading). > > > > Just my $0.02 > > > > John > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > = > Chris from Chicago > MasterCNE, 5.x CNE, ICNE, 4.x CNE, CCNA, MCP > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN
I agree, I have both the Cisco Press and the Sybex book. I read through the sybex once, but did all my actual "studying" with the CP book. Got a 912 Jeremiah _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN
Buy and read the switching bible : Cisco Lan Switching by Kennedy Clark et. al. ISBN: 1-57870-094-9. I am reading it now after reading the BCMSN book by Karen Webb and it contains a lot more details and contains more meat. Regards Jon Eggert Gudmundsson MCSE,CCNA,CCDA Network Administrator Icelandic Banks Data Center -Original Message- From: Bruce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10. ágúst 2000 05:20 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BCMSN I am taking the BCMSN in a couple of weeks. I have read the Cisco Press BCMSN book and now I am doing the Boson exams. I also ordered the Cisco Interactive Mentor LAN Switching Self Study CD. Has anyone ever used this CD? Is it a good preparation for the exam? Do you have any additional suggestions for me to prepare for the BCMSN exam? Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN
BCMSN by Thomas, Bass and Robinson is a good course companion text that should provide excellent coverage of the material. Its from the McGraw Hill technical series *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 8/10/00 at 1:19 AM Bruce wrote: >I am taking the BCMSN in a couple of weeks. I have read the Cisco Press >BCMSN book and now I am doing the Boson exams. I also ordered the Cisco >Interactive Mentor LAN Switching Self Study CD. Has anyone ever used this >CD? Is it a good preparation for the exam? Do you have any additional >suggestions for me to prepare for the BCMSN exam? > >Bruce >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >___ >UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN
I had a few of them. . . not to many and not to complicated. rishard "OLUREMI DAWODU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hello all, > > I have the BCMSN on sunday and I was wondering if > anyone out there who has taken the test knows if you > get fill in the blank question, no flames please I > 'm not asking for questions. > > Thanks in advance > > Remi > > > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN
Title: RE: BCMSN The first place I check for information like this is the website of the information im looking for might be located I went to www.ciscopress.com I looked there and found this URL: http://www2.ciscopress.com/series.cfm?series=2&news=0 hope this helps, Aaron -Original Message- From: Dimitrije To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 5/22/00 11:56 AM Subject: BCMSN Has the book, Building Cisco Multilayered Switched Networks (BCMSN), published by Cisco Press been released yet? If not, then when? I have yet to see it. Dimitrije ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN
yes it has... http://www2.ciscopress.com/ -Original Message- From: Dimitrije [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 9:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BCMSN Has the book, Building Cisco Multilayered Switched Networks (BCMSN), published by Cisco Press been released yet? If not, then when? I have yet to see it. Dimitrije ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN
Congratulations Rik, I too just passed BCMSN earlier today. I used Karen Webb's new BCMSN book from Cisco Press and the Boson test. The book is based on the Cisco course. Thus 95% of the test content is in the book, while the Boson tests helped identify some of my weaker areas. By passing this test, I just became Cisco's newest CCNP and CCDP. So do I celebrate by going to Disneyland? No, not yet - got to study for Voice 2.0 Dimitrije Rik Guyler wrote: > Well, I passed BCMSN yesterday and I have to say that the test sucked. I > didn't feel that it was overly technically difficult (your opinion may be > different), but many of the questions were worded poorly. So poor at times > that I wasn't sure what the question was asking. If CLSC was worse than > this one then I'm glad I waited to take the 2.0 version! > > I read the CiscoPress LAN Switching book (Clark), which is wonderful. This > was my main source of study, which more than covered the switching topics. > This is a CCIE prep book and at around 1000 pages, it does not lack detail > in any area. I did hit CCO a few times so I could get a new twist on a > given explanation, but the book covers everything you need for the test as > well as a ton of material for real-world networking. Get the book and > learn! Passing the test will come naturally after this! > > Now, onward to CIT for my final CCNP test... > > Rik Guyler > Principal Consultant > Cardinal Solutions Group > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN Question
Mine taken has got 62 questions and the passing mark is 699. ""Tom Keough"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó 94n7v6$67c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:94n7v6$67c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi All, > I am hoping to be ready to take the CCNP Switching exam this Friday. Does > anyone know the number of questions and the passing score? > Thanks, > Tom > > -- > Tom Keough, CCNA MCSE > AT&T Global Network > Managed Router Solutions > Tier two support > Tampa, Fl > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN - ATM?
BJ, Ther is no ATM in the test as far as I know ( well I did not see any ATM ) Hope that will help "Bradley J. Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 012601c08486$56a03d40$ca01010a@bwilson">news:012601c08486$56a03d40$ca01010a@bwilson... > Okay, what's the deal with ATM on the BCMSN? The .pdf file on the Cisco > website says that ATM and LANE *are* on the test, and yet neither of the two > books I have (the McGraw Hill / Thomas M. Thomas book, and the Exam Cram > book) have any ATM in it. > > In the immortal words of Frank Reynolds..."Can somebody get this nailed > down, please??" > > (Hopefully someone who's *taken* the test? :-) > > Thanks, > > BJ > > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN - ATM?
I sat BCMSN the first week of Jan and had no ATM nor LANE... Tim > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Bradley J. Wilson > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 4:17 PM > To: cisco > Subject: BCMSN - ATM? > > > Okay, what's the deal with ATM on the BCMSN? The .pdf file on the Cisco > website says that ATM and LANE *are* on the test, and yet neither > of the two > books I have (the McGraw Hill / Thomas M. Thomas book, and the Exam Cram > book) have any ATM in it. > > In the immortal words of Frank Reynolds..."Can somebody get this nailed > down, please??" > > (Hopefully someone who's *taken* the test? :-) > > Thanks, > > BJ > > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN - ATM?
I had no ATM on my test. --Scott CCNP "Bradley J. Wilson" wrote: > Okay, what's the deal with ATM on the BCMSN? The .pdf file on the Cisco > website says that ATM and LANE *are* on the test, and yet neither of the two > books I have (the McGraw Hill / Thomas M. Thomas book, and the Exam Cram > book) have any ATM in it. > > In the immortal words of Frank Reynolds..."Can somebody get this nailed > down, please??" > > (Hopefully someone who's *taken* the test? :-) > > Thanks, > > BJ > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN - ATM?
There is no ATM on the test . i took it last week and this is what i got MLS INTERVLAN routing SEt based questions IOS based questions.ie what command on an IOS/SET based switch does...ETC 3 layer design what switch is best suited where diff layers what CAN happen at each layerbe carefull a couple of tricky ones 1 subnetting question? why i don`t know (how many hosts/subnets (blah blah) HSRP ..a few Multicasting ..a few good luck and buy the switching Exam Cram book it IS the best... steve >From: STRAND Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: STRAND Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Bradley J. Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: cisco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: BCMSN - ATM? >Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:10:45 -0500 > >I had no ATM on my test. > >--Scott >CCNP > >"Bradley J. Wilson" wrote: > > > Okay, what's the deal with ATM on the BCMSN? The .pdf file on the Cisco > > website says that ATM and LANE *are* on the test, and yet neither of the >two > > books I have (the McGraw Hill / Thomas M. Thomas book, and the Exam Cram > > book) have any ATM in it. > > > > In the immortal words of Frank Reynolds..."Can somebody get this nailed > > down, please??" > > > > (Hopefully someone who's *taken* the test? :-) > > > > Thanks, > > > > BJ > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN - ATM?
There is no ATM requirement in either the BCMSN course or in the Switching 2.0 exam. However, I would strongly recommend any network engineer worth his salt to know about ATM, LANE and MPOA. -- Edward Solomon CCNA, CCSI (ICND, BSCN, BCMSN) Senior I/T Specialist Networking Solutions IBM Canada Ltd. - Learning Services Tel.: (905) 316-3241 Fax: (905) 316-3101 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://www.can.ibm.com/services/learning/net_internet.html ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 012601c08486$56a03d40$ca01010a@bwilson">news:012601c08486$56a03d40$ca01010a@bwilson... > Okay, what's the deal with ATM on the BCMSN? The .pdf file on the Cisco > website says that ATM and LANE *are* on the test, and yet neither of the two > books I have (the McGraw Hill / Thomas M. Thomas book, and the Exam Cram > book) have any ATM in it. > > In the immortal words of Frank Reynolds..."Can somebody get this nailed > down, please??" > > (Hopefully someone who's *taken* the test? :-) > > Thanks, > > BJ > > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN - ATM?
Amen. I'm just wondering whether or not I need to know them by Friday. ;-) - Original Message - From: Edward Solomon Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 3:50 PM Subject: Re: BCMSN - ATM? There is no ATM requirement in either the BCMSN course or in the Switching 2.0 exam. However, I would strongly recommend any network engineer worth his salt to know about ATM, LANE and MPOA. -- Edward Solomon CCNA, CCSI (ICND, BSCN, BCMSN) Senior I/T Specialist Networking Solutions IBM Canada Ltd. - Learning Services Tel.: (905) 316-3241 Fax: (905) 316-3101 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://www.can.ibm.com/services/learning/net_internet.html ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 012601c08486$56a03d40$ca01010a@bwilson">news:012601c08486$56a03d40$ca01010a@bwilson... > Okay, what's the deal with ATM on the BCMSN? The .pdf file on the Cisco > website says that ATM and LANE *are* on the test, and yet neither of the two > books I have (the McGraw Hill / Thomas M. Thomas book, and the Exam Cram > book) have any ATM in it. > > In the immortal words of Frank Reynolds..."Can somebody get this nailed > down, please??" > > (Hopefully someone who's *taken* the test? :-) > > Thanks, > > BJ > > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN - ATM?
> Amen. I'm just wondering whether or not I need to know them by Friday. ;-) Nope. Not in the course, not on the test, not required knowledge for CCNP. There is a BCMSN course material appendix that includes ATM commands (in the second book), but you don't need to know any of that for the test. Good luck! -- Edward Solomon CCNA, CCSI Senior I/T Specialist Networking Solutions IBM Canada Ltd. - Learning Services Tel.: (905) 316-3241 Fax: (905) 316-3101 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://www.can.ibm.com/services/learning/net_internet.html _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN - Passed
Congrats! I feel books are a lot more complete than what you can learn with an elearning course. It is only part of what you need to learn. It is in effect ONE tool. Keeping also in mind that ONE book is never enough to learn. It is however sometimes enough to pass an exam but who on this list just want to "pass" an exam. We are here to know the stuff. CCO is in my opinion the best reference out there. It beats books. The drawback is that it provides tons and tons of information and you have to choose what you should read. But all the information is in there somewhere. There are also some good self test that can help you gage and I stress the word GAGE your knowledge in an area. It will help you know if you understand the subject as well as you think you understand it. And like me you are limited while you are studying with the hands-on. Virtual labs are a good tool, if you have the $ to practice. When I first started my Cisco cert. I did not know that it was possible to practice on the internet some of the stuff you learn in the books. I bought a couple of PC Bus cards to be able to practice my routing. It is definitely not enough but that is all I could afford. This list is also a good learning tool. Read, read, and read some more. Try to solve some of these problems that are presented on this list. It is amazing how you can learn. My point is: try to use all the resources available out there. It would be nice to have the LAB but you can learn to a certain level without the expansive lab at home. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > It wasn't prettybut the score was in my favor (715). > Studied using the E-Learning BCMSN course from Cisco. > > Last night I saw a copy of Karen Webb's Cisco Press - > > "Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks" > ISBN 1-57870-093-0 Published May 2000 > > and saw where most of the test questions came from!! > (UpLink Fast not mentioned in E-Learning to my recollection) > > This book costs $60 and the E-Learning (discounted) was $500! > Go figure. Onto BCRAN (using E-Learning and Catherine Paquet's > Cisco Press book). > > Wouldn't it be nice to have lab equipment too?? > > Tim Weil > Network Consultant > EB Networks, Inc. > Columbia, MD. > email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > (202) 205-2611 > (800) 980-5086 - pager > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN question
Zhang Jin wrote: > Dear group, > > I have a question that is if a switch can simultaneously belong to more > than one vtp domain? > > thanks in advance. > > dean Dean, the answer is "no". Enjoy! Richard Deal Exam Cram Switching Author **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN Cram
In a message dated 10/1/00 11:28:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Hi, > Does anyone know of any cram books out there for the switching exam? > Also I haven't got a Switch, is it possible to pass this exam with out > switching configuration > Is the boson exam any good for this > > Any other Hint/ tip will be appreciated > A. Use the Corialis Switching Exam Cram...This book is awesome. B. Yes you can pass without a switch...Just try to rewrite the command lines for all different sets many times until you feel comfortable with them. Access to a switch would be a great help though. C. The boson exam for this absolutly sucks!!! Pardon my language. When I was studying for this test I felt I was ready about 2 weeks before I took it. Then I would try the boson, score about 40%, and get so discouraged and down that I would fear the test. I sucked it up, told myself the practice test doesn't matter, and went and passed the test with around a B- grade. My 0.2 cents...Good luck Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA, 1/4-NP [EMAIL PROTECTED] "If you need luck, apparently you're not prepared...Go study!" ~Mark Zabludovsky~ **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN Cram
Do you have an ISBN # for the Exam Cram book? I can't seem to find it, then again it is almost 1 in the morning so I might be losing it :) Thanks! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > In a message dated 10/1/00 11:28:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Hi, > > Does anyone know of any cram books out there for the switching exam? > > Also I haven't got a Switch, is it possible to pass this exam with out > > switching configuration > > Is the boson exam any good for this > > > > Any other Hint/ tip will be appreciated > > > > A. Use the Corialis Switching Exam Cram...This book is awesome. > > B. Yes you can pass without a switch...Just try to rewrite the command lines > for all different sets many times until you feel comfortable with them. > Access to a switch would be a great help though. > > C. The boson exam for this absolutly sucks!!! Pardon my language. When I was > studying for this test I felt I was ready about 2 weeks before I took it. > Then I would try the boson, score about 40%, and get so discouraged and down > that I would fear the test. I sucked it up, told myself the practice test > doesn't matter, and went and passed the test with around a B- grade. > > My 0.2 cents...Good luck > > Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA, 1/4-NP > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "If you need luck, apparently you're not prepared...Go study!" > >~Mark Zabludovsky~ > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN Cram
Here you go (Watch the URL wrap !!): http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1576106349/qid=970460338/sr=1-13/104- 4612881-3767934 ISBN: 1576106349 Ash -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Marco Rodrigues Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 5:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: BCMSN Cram Do you have an ISBN # for the Exam Cram book? I can't seem to find it, then again it is almost 1 in the morning so I might be losing it :) Thanks! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > In a message dated 10/1/00 11:28:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Hi, > > Does anyone know of any cram books out there for the switching exam? > > Also I haven't got a Switch, is it possible to pass this exam with out > > switching configuration > > Is the boson exam any good for this > > > > Any other Hint/ tip will be appreciated > > > > A. Use the Corialis Switching Exam Cram...This book is awesome. > > B. Yes you can pass without a switch...Just try to rewrite the command lines > for all different sets many times until you feel comfortable with them. > Access to a switch would be a great help though. > > C. The boson exam for this absolutly sucks!!! Pardon my language. When I was > studying for this test I felt I was ready about 2 weeks before I took it. > Then I would try the boson, score about 40%, and get so discouraged and down > that I would fear the test. I sucked it up, told myself the practice test > doesn't matter, and went and passed the test with around a B- grade. > > My 0.2 cents...Good luck > > Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA, 1/4-NP > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "If you need luck, apparently you're not prepared...Go study!" > >~Mark Zabludovsky~ > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN Cram
If you only scored 40% on the Boson exam but end up passing the real test, doesn't that mean that the Boson exams are pretty good since it's harder than the real test? I find the Boson exams to be quite helpful if you're out to learn something other than to pass the test. kenneth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > In a message dated 10/1/00 11:28:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Hi, > > Does anyone know of any cram books out there for the switching exam? > > Also I haven't got a Switch, is it possible to pass this exam with out > > switching configuration > > Is the boson exam any good for this > > > > Any other Hint/ tip will be appreciated > > > > A. Use the Corialis Switching Exam Cram...This book is awesome. > > B. Yes you can pass without a switch...Just try to rewrite the command lines > for all different sets many times until you feel comfortable with them. > Access to a switch would be a great help though. > > C. The boson exam for this absolutly sucks!!! Pardon my language. When I was > studying for this test I felt I was ready about 2 weeks before I took it. > Then I would try the boson, score about 40%, and get so discouraged and down > that I would fear the test. I sucked it up, told myself the practice test > doesn't matter, and went and passed the test with around a B- grade. > > My 0.2 cents...Good luck > > Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA, 1/4-NP > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "If you need luck, apparently you're not prepared...Go study!" > >~Mark Zabludovsky~ > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN Cram
Coriolis Group; ISBN: 1576106349 Marco Rodrigues wrote: > > Do you have an ISBN # for the Exam Cram book? I can't seem to find it, then > again it is almost 1 in the morning so I might be losing it :) > > Thanks! > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > In a message dated 10/1/00 11:28:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > Does anyone know of any cram books out there for the switching exam? > > > Also I haven't got a Switch, is it possible to pass this exam with out > > > switching configuration > > > Is the boson exam any good for this > > > > > > Any other Hint/ tip will be appreciated > > > > > > > A. Use the Corialis Switching Exam Cram...This book is awesome. > > > > B. Yes you can pass without a switch...Just try to rewrite the command > lines > > for all different sets many times until you feel comfortable with them. > > Access to a switch would be a great help though. > > > > C. The boson exam for this absolutly sucks!!! Pardon my language. When I > was > > studying for this test I felt I was ready about 2 weeks before I took it. > > Then I would try the boson, score about 40%, and get so discouraged and > down > > that I would fear the test. I sucked it up, told myself the practice test > > doesn't matter, and went and passed the test with around a B- grade. > > > > My 0.2 cents...Good luck > > > > Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA, 1/4-NP > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > "If you need luck, apparently you're not prepared...Go study!" > > > >~Mark Zabludovsky~ > > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > > _ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN Cram
In a message dated 10/2/00 12:42:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > If you only scored 40% on the Boson exam but end up passing the real test, > doesn't that mean that the Boson exams are pretty good since it's harder > than the real test? I find the Boson exams to be quite helpful if you're out > to learn something other than to pass the test. > Partly true. Don't get me wrong, the tests are a great tool and I've used them for my NA and DA, but I think they weren't up to par for the BCMSN due to it being a fairly new test. The BSCN boson seems to be good though. That is what I am using for my final prep on this test. Your right, it is good for the prac. to be harder than the test but that's not how it was for me. It just felt like the tests were totally off. None of the questions I had on the real test even fell close to the ones on the practice and due to doing so bad on them I felt I was going to fail until that beautiful screen popped up with "CONGRATULATIONS" Ah, what a site. Once again, My 0.2 cents...I guess that makes it 0.4 now ;) Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA, 1/4-NP [EMAIL PROTECTED] "If you need luck, apparently you're not prepared...Go study!" ~Mark Zabludovsky~ **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN exam
On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Jon Kuhn wrote: > How in depth are the Multicast questions on the exam?How many can I > expect? Its not like they are throwing complex multicast configs and whatnot at you. Know the differences between different multicast types (pim sparse, pim dense, pim sparse-dense)know how to formulate multicast MAC addresses from multicast ip addresses. Know how CGMP worksknow the facts about IGMPv1 and IGMPv2just stuff along those linesfactual information about multicastthe ciscopress book covers it nicely. Brian > > Thanks, > Jon > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- Brian Feeny, CCNP, CCDP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN exam
I just finished the test yesterday. Only basic Multicast questions were asked, for example, translate a multicast IP address into a MAC address, what charactristics make Multicast different to Unicast and Broadcast, basic IGMP features. The questions about MLS were also simple, few HSRP questions were asked. Most parts of the exam were about VLAN, Trunking, VTP and STP. I was weak in VLAN since I used Cisco Press BCMSN book which doesn't declare VLAN, and VTP very clearly. I suggest you look for other materials for the VLAN part. "Jon Kuhn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > How in depth are the Multicast questions on the exam?How many can I > expect? > > Thanks, > Jon > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN exam
I just finished the test today. It was heavy on STP, VTP and VLAN , light on multicast, and MLS and the commands were very basic. Know STP, VLANs and VLAN operation very well. jeff "Jon Kuhn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > How in depth are the Multicast questions on the exam?How many can I > expect? > > Thanks, > Jon > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN - Topics
Hi, it is not included in the exam, but you still need it for the CCIE written. Good luck Ehab -Original Message-From: Venkataramanaiah.R [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 1:40 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: BCMSN - Topics Can somebody who took this test clear my doubt. The BCMSN course topics does not include the ATM-LANE and FDDI and many other topics, whereas these are listed as topics for exam in the cisco site. Can somebody let me know if these topics are really covered in the exam...? TIAVenkat "The greatest glory in living lies not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall ."-- Nelson Mandela
Re: BCMSN - Topics
In my opinion it would be beneficial for you to be at least familiar with these before the test. I didn't have any direct questions referring to them, but there were some answer options that you can eliminate because you know they're talking about ATM or FDDI. At 09:39 AM 10/29/00 +, you wrote: >Can somebody who took this test clear my doubt. > >The BCMSN course topics does not include the ATM-LANE and FDDI and many >other topics, whereas these are listed as topics for exam in the cisco site. > >Can somebody let me know if these topics are really covered in the exam...? > >TIA > >Venkat > >"The greatest glory in living lies not in never falling, >but in rising every time we fall ." >-- Nelson Mandela _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN question
I think this could be a choice: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072124741/wisinshomesweeth Rather waiting for the coming one. Right now the CiscoPress is still the best http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1578702070/wisinshomesweeth But it's too late if for taking the exam. ISL encapsulation 6506 set trunk / on isl 1-1005 set port duplex full set port speed 100 2924 interface FastEthernet0/ duplex full speed 100 switchport mode trunk With Sincerity http://www.ciscosite.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Helena LOW Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 9:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BCMSN question Hi, I was wondering if someone could tell me how indepth we need to know the material in the Cisco press book of BCMSN? When I was studying for my CCNA, I mostly used Todd's book which was enough, but I did take a look at the Cisco Press book for CCNA and it was really indepth..I was wondering if this is the case for the BCMSN book? Like would we need to know the fields of ISL encapsulation? Thanks Helena ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN question
CiscoPress makes a BCMSN book.are you saying that book is no good for using on the BCMSN test? The CiscoPress BCMSN is the book I am using to prepare for the CCNP 2.0 BCMSN test. Brian On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Wisin Suhendra Setiady wrote: > I think this could be a choice: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072124741/wisinshomesweeth > Rather waiting for the coming one. Right now the CiscoPress is still the > best > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1578702070/wisinshomesweeth > But it's too late if for taking the exam. > > ISL encapsulation > > 6506 > set trunk / on isl 1-1005 > set port duplex full > set port speed 100 > > 2924 > interface FastEthernet0/ > duplex full > speed 100 > switchport mode trunk > > With Sincerity > http://www.ciscosite.com > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Helena LOW > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 9:23 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: BCMSN question > > > Hi, > > I was wondering if someone could tell me how indepth we need to know the > material in the Cisco press book of BCMSN? When I was studying for my > CCNA, I mostly used Todd's book which was enough, but I did take a look at > the Cisco Press book for CCNA and it was really indepth..I was wondering > if this is the case for the BCMSN book? Like would we need to know the > fields of ISL encapsulation? > > Thanks > Helena > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- - Brian Feeny, CCNA [EMAIL PROTECTED] 318-222-2638 x 109 http://www.shreve.net/~signal Network Administrator ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN question
No, I don't mean it, and I know exactly that the one from CiscoPress is the best. Because I refer the BCMSN to the new test version 2.0. And the previous version would be called CLSC. So there are new things included to BCMSN version 2.0. That's why I think it would be better to wait for the new version rather than buying the old version. It's only my oppinion concerning this, and I am just wondering if there are significant changes in CCNP version 2.0? Thanks for you comments. With Sincerity, Wisin http://www.ciscosite.com -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 8:36 PM To: Wisin Suhendra Setiady Cc: 'Helena LOW'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: BCMSN question CiscoPress makes a BCMSN book.are you saying that book is no good for using on the BCMSN test? The CiscoPress BCMSN is the book I am using to prepare for the CCNP 2.0 BCMSN test. Brian On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Wisin Suhendra Setiady wrote: > I think this could be a choice: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072124741/wisinshomesweeth > Rather waiting for the coming one. Right now the CiscoPress is still the > best > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1578702070/wisinshomesweeth > But it's too late if for taking the exam. > > ISL encapsulation > > 6506 > set trunk / on isl 1-1005 > set port duplex full > set port speed 100 > > 2924 > interface FastEthernet0/ > duplex full > speed 100 > switchport mode trunk > > With Sincerity > http://www.ciscosite.com > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Helena LOW > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 9:23 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: BCMSN question > > > Hi, > > I was wondering if someone could tell me how indepth we need to know the > material in the Cisco press book of BCMSN? When I was studying for my > CCNA, I mostly used Todd's book which was enough, but I did take a look at > the Cisco Press book for CCNA and it was really indepth..I was wondering > if this is the case for the BCMSN book? Like would we need to know the > fields of ISL encapsulation? > > Thanks > Helena ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN question
Actually, I am preparing for the switching2.0 exam, already got the ccna2.0 and Routing2.0. Routing2.0 only focus on the routing protocol such as ospf, eigrp and bgp4 (+vlsm), more than v.1(byebye appeltalk and ipx) I feel switching2.0 exam different from clsc and only work online with cisco website. For the other exams, I don't feel any sigificant changes. Yours, cvp. "Wisin Suhendra Setiady" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 07/25/2000 09:51:06 AM Please respond to "Wisin Suhendra Setiady" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Brian'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (bcc: Claude-Vincent PEREZ/JP-TOKYO-HOLDING/LVMH) Subject: RE: BCMSN question No, I don't mean it, and I know exactly that the one from CiscoPress is the best. Because I refer the BCMSN to the new test version 2.0. And the previous version would be called CLSC. So there are new things included to BCMSN version 2.0. That's why I think it would be better to wait for the new version rather than buying the old version. It's only my oppinion concerning this, and I am just wondering if there are significant changes in CCNP version 2.0? Thanks for you comments. With Sincerity, Wisin http://www.ciscosite.com -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 8:36 PM To: Wisin Suhendra Setiady Cc: 'Helena LOW'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: BCMSN question CiscoPress makes a BCMSN book.are you saying that book is no good for using on the BCMSN test? The CiscoPress BCMSN is the book I am using to prepare for the CCNP 2.0 BCMSN test. Brian On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Wisin Suhendra Setiady wrote: > I think this could be a choice: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072124741/wisinshomesweeth > Rather waiting for the coming one. Right now the CiscoPress is still the > best > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1578702070/wisinshomesweeth > But it's too late if for taking the exam. > > ISL encapsulation > > 6506 > set trunk / on isl 1-1005 > set port duplex full > set port speed 100 > > 2924 > interface FastEthernet0/ > duplex full > speed 100 > switchport mode trunk > > With Sincerity > http://www.ciscosite.com > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Helena LOW > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 9:23 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: BCMSN question > > > Hi, > > I was wondering if someone could tell me how indepth we need to know the > material in the Cisco press book of BCMSN? When I was studying for my > CCNA, I mostly used Todd's book which was enough, but I did take a look at > the Cisco Press book for CCNA and it was really indepth..I was wondering > if this is the case for the BCMSN book? Like would we need to know the > fields of ISL encapsulation? > > Thanks > Helena ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN Info
You're studying for the wrong exam... the coarse material changed quite a bit from CLSC to BCMSN. You're better off picking up the Cisco Press BCMSN book and study that. Paul On 31 Jul 2000, Dele Ajayi wrote: > Hi guys, > I'm preparing to take the BCMSN exam by Friday and I've been using the > following materials: > Exam Cram (CLSC) > Cisco CLSC course material > And recently I had access to the network study guides membership area for > practice test. > > My concerns: > Do I have a chance of passing this exam using the materials stated above? > What are the differences between the CLSC and the BCMSN exams. > What sorts of hardware knowledge are tested in the BCMSN exam. > > Somebody pls help. > Thank you all. > > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at >http://webmail.netscape.com. > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN Info
Forget it. Like the snowball if you know what I mean. The BCMSN is totally different than CLSC. I recommend you get Kennedy Clark's Cisco LAN Switching, the BCMSN cisco press book and for Multicasting "Cisco Multicast Routing and Switching" by Parkhurst - McGraw Hill. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dele Ajayi Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 11:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BCMSN Info Hi guys, I'm preparing to take the BCMSN exam by Friday and I've been using the following materials: Exam Cram (CLSC) Cisco CLSC course material And recently I had access to the network study guides membership area for practice test. My concerns: Do I have a chance of passing this exam using the materials stated above? What are the differences between the CLSC and the BCMSN exams. What sorts of hardware knowledge are tested in the BCMSN exam. Somebody pls help. Thank you all. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN books
There is one from CISCO PRESS specfi to exam, isbn ends with 930. good luck inamul "Todd Weedon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 000201c01c6e$1fea4140$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:000201c01c6e$1fea4140$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Has anyone come across any good BCMSN books yet ? > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN test
The number of questions and passing score vaires. The one I took required 699 and had 64 Questions. I used the Courseware, and Exam Cram for the test, and Passwed with 868. Bryan "sohrabi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 001e01c01cee$0dcff2e0$76c407c2@sohrabi">news:001e01c01cee$0dcff2e0$76c407c2@sohrabi... > > Hi all > I just passed Routing 2.0. Anyone help me for BSMSN test, how many point is > necessary for to pass, how many questions there are? What are the points > important? At this moment I have Cisco press books by Karen, it is > sufficiently? Thanks > Sohrabi > > > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN exam
65 questions, 105 minutes. Exam was very close to course guide. Marakalas wrote: > Hi all > > Has anyone taken the Switching 2.0 exam? I want to know how many > questions, time to complete the exam and some tips of the major focus > on the exam. I will be writing on the 7th of June 2000. > > Any tip regarding this exam will be highly appreciated. > ___ > http://www.webmail.co.za the South-African free email service > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN easy!
Henry, Is anything besides the BCMSN course materials required to pass this test? Thanks, Brad Stanfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Government Micro Resources Network Operations Control Center Bldg 33 NAVSEA NCOE 757-393-9526 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 1:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BCMSN easy! I just got finished with BCMSN. 66 questions in 90 minutes. At least 1/3 of the questions were very close to each other. I got an 846 out of 1000 with a 699 needed to pass. My worst section was CGMP, so know that. The sections listed on the scoring part of the test are: CGMP Cisco Fundamentals Multicast Multilayer Switching Spanning Tree Switching Interconnectivity Troubleshooting Trunking VLAN Operations. I really thought that this was an easier test then the CCNA exam. I'll answer questions to the extent that I can without breaking the NDA. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN MLS
One of my favorite pastimes is to argue with the various authors of the Boson tests about things in the material that is ambiguous or confusing. Those poor guys who wrote the CID practice tests. They're gonna just start deleting my mail without reading it :-> In the case you mention, this is not untypical of the Boson tests. To be fair, it is not untypical of some of the questions on Cisco testes either :-> You can always take advantage of the option to e-mail the author. I have found the writers to be quite willing to clarify things. This does not mean their answer is "right", but at least you'll get a better feel for the reasoning. Besides. In my experience, the Boson authors are pro's, and like to help folks out. Now that I actually have a copy of course material to refer to ( notice how in the Boson correction, much of the answer justification is based on references to course material ) and can look things up, I see a lot of things that are interesting. One of which is that sometimes the course material is a bit dated. Another of which is that sometimes Cisco itself isn't consistent from one exam to the next in terms of what the right answer may be. Another of which is that sometimes even the authors of the quizzes and the supplementary study guides may find themselves a bit amused, not to mention confused, by some of the arbitrariness of some of Cisco's promulgations. Both the books I am reading for CID/CCDP for example, have comments regarding real world vs. test world. I would say that the Boson tests in general, are much like Cisco tests. Count on missing 2-3 questions just because they are poorly worded, or confusing, or flat out wrong. The rest - just get yourself into the Cisco frame of mind. Best wishes, Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brad Stephen Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 7:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:BCMSN MLS Boson has me confused. Regarding Multilayer Switching, how would one define a flow? Cisco Press and http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat5000/rel_4_5/config/m ls.htm#42593 make a flow seem like a stream of packets. However, to have distinction between different types of conversations, ip and port are assessed "A flow is a unidirectional sequence of packets between a particular source and destination that share the same protocol and transport-layer information." Boson asks, "A flow is a stream of segments between any two ip address/port number pairs" or "A flow is a stream of packets between any two IP addresses". The first is asserted as correct. Confusing, even after looking at it so long. Is Cisco using the term packet out of context or is Boson just trying to enforce the granularity of the question? It seems to me that this is a simple concept and should be reworded something like "http and ftp would be treated as TWO seperate flows between an identical pair of hosts." However, is this still a stream of SEGMENTS or PACKETS? Brad Stephen ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN Book Recommendation??
Look at my CiscoKing site by clicking the link below. Hth, Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.CiscoKing.com NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job -Original Message- From: AndyD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 10:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BCMSN Book Recommendation?? Can someone please recommend a good study guide for the BCMSN test?? Thanks! _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN Book Recommendation??
get the BCMSN book from Cisco press and CCIE Development: Cisco Lan Switching. "AndyD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 95ld6g$3mp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:95ld6g$3mp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Can someone please recommend a good study guide for the BCMSN test?? > > Thanks! > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN - exam question
I called them last week. They told me to wait for another 2-3 weeks... I hope it comes sooner. ""ciscosis"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 000c01c0b160$469301b0$593d839b@nes2s50667">news:000c01c0b160$469301b0$593d839b@nes2s50667... > my appologies if this has been asked before i couldn't find precisely = > what I wanted to know in the Archives > > > Question:- > > Are the course notes sufficient to pass the (640-504) switching exam.=20 > could anyone recomend additional reading if they are not? =20 > > TIA=20 > > > > > Ciscosis - A severe mental disorder, with or without organic damage, = > characterized by derangement of personality and loss of contact with = > reality and causing deterioration of normal social functioning. Known to = > be caused by too much cisco study=20 > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN - exam question
I'm not sure if you have been on the BCMSN course (I hope you have if you have a copy of the notes!) but that was certainly sufficient for me. Of all of the CCNP exams, the BCMSN fitted the course notes the best. It's difficult when people ask questions like this because we don't know how much experience they have, you could have been designing and installing Catalyst based LAN solutions for years. Cheers Charlie --- ciscosis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > my appologies if this has been asked before i couldn't find > precisely = > what I wanted to know in the Archives > > > Question:- > > Are the course notes sufficient to pass the (640-504) switching > exam.=20 > could anyone recomend additional reading if they are not? =20 > > TIA=20 > > > > > Ciscosis - A severe mental disorder, with or without organic > damage, = > characterized by derangement of personality and loss of contact > with = > reality and causing deterioration of normal social functioning. > Known to = > be caused by too much cisco study=20 > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN - exam question
Thanks for the advice Charlie, I have attended the Course and have some experience of designing/supporting smaller cisco campus networks What worried me was that when I read the Exam outline /prep guide on the cisco web site, it said that ATM and LANE would be covered in the exam. I don't remember covering these in the course except for a very brief mention of the various trunking standards used. I expect that's why it was mentioned in the outline but I wanted to be sure Thanks again - Original Message - From: "Charlie Hartwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ciscosis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 7:55 PM Subject: Re: BCMSN - exam question > I'm not sure if you have been on the BCMSN course (I hope you have if > you have a copy of the notes!) but that was certainly sufficient for > me. Of all of the CCNP exams, the BCMSN fitted the course notes the > best. > It's difficult when people ask questions like this because we don't > know how much experience they have, you could have been designing and > installing Catalyst based LAN solutions for years. > > Cheers > > Charlie > > --- ciscosis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > my appologies if this > has been asked before i couldn't find > > precisely = > > what I wanted to know in the Archives > > > > > > Question:- > > > > Are the course notes sufficient to pass the (640-504) switching > > exam.=20 > > could anyone recomend additional reading if they are not? =20 > > > > TIA=20 > > > > > > > > > > Ciscosis - A severe mental disorder, with or without organic > > damage, = > > characterized by derangement of personality and loss of contact > > with = > > reality and causing deterioration of normal social functioning. > > Known to = > > be caused by too much cisco study=20 > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN 2.0 Books
BCMSN by Karen Webb... pretty good book. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED].. . > > All, I am preparing for the BCMSN 2.0 test, which books do you recommend? > The only book I am reading right now is Richard Deal's CCNP Switching Exam > Cram. > Any information is appreciated! > > Hao Zhong > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN: Flow Masks
According to CCIE LAN Switching pag. 479 "The flow mask is used to set the granularity with which the NFFC determines what constitutes a flow" and it (the NFFC) creates shortcuts for each flow. Of course, the MAC address will be the same for any given address no matter what the source address or port number, but if you are using access lists on the router, you wouldn't want your switch to bypass them, so you set a smaller granularity so that each flow corresponds to a flow that has passed your access list. This way the switch won't "route" the wrong packets. Hope this helps. By the way, thank you for the link. Francisco Muniz. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN: Flow Masks
Ole, If you have an extended access-list setup it might be needing more info than just the destination IP address. You may be filtering on a source address or something. This is why your flow would change. Cory -Original Message- From: Ole Drews Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 11:48 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: BCMSN: Flow Masks I can understand that even though you use a full IP flow for the flow masks, the switch only looks at the destination IP in the MLS cache before forwarding the packet. The flow masks are not used to check the cache, but to determine how much information to put in the cache. My question is, why would you use the full IP flow or IP source/destination flow instead of only IP destination when it only looks at the destination no matter what ??? Thanks, Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oledrews.com/ccnp **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN: Flow Masks
I know Cory, but it still only checks on the destination address. If an extended access list has been configured to allow ping only, once a ping has been made, an entry has been created in the MLS cache, and from there on the access list is not worth anything, because the MLS-SE will allow anything through directly to the destination, because the extended access list which is at the MLS-RP doesn't see anymore data to that destination. I'm a bit confused here. Thanks, Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oledrews.com/ccnp -Original Message- From: Stull, Cory [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 2:33 PM To: 'Ole Drews Jensen' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: BCMSN: Flow Masks Ole, If you have an extended access-list setup it might be needing more info than just the destination IP address. You may be filtering on a source address or something. This is why your flow would change. Cory -Original Message- From: Ole Drews Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 11:48 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: BCMSN: Flow Masks I can understand that even though you use a full IP flow for the flow masks, the switch only looks at the destination IP in the MLS cache before forwarding the packet. The flow masks are not used to check the cache, but to determine how much information to put in the cache. My question is, why would you use the full IP flow or IP source/destination flow instead of only IP destination when it only looks at the destination no matter what ??? Thanks, Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oledrews.com/ccnp **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN: Flow Masks
Ole, Wow, you don't miss anything.Your right. I remember discussion about this before. I think the answer was, that is a big hole with the security so unless you setup your access list to deny everything from that source altogether than the only way to get around it is to disable the fast switching. I think it was Prescilla that was talking about this a while back... Please correct me if I'm wrong.. Cory -Original Message- From: Ole Drews Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 12:36 PM To: 'Stull, Cory'; Ole Drews Jensen Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: BCMSN: Flow Masks I know Cory, but it still only checks on the destination address. If an extended access list has been configured to allow ping only, once a ping has been made, an entry has been created in the MLS cache, and from there on the access list is not worth anything, because the MLS-SE will allow anything through directly to the destination, because the extended access list which is at the MLS-RP doesn't see anymore data to that destination. I'm a bit confused here. Thanks, Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oledrews.com/ccnp -Original Message- From: Stull, Cory [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 2:33 PM To: 'Ole Drews Jensen' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: BCMSN: Flow Masks Ole, If you have an extended access-list setup it might be needing more info than just the destination IP address. You may be filtering on a source address or something. This is why your flow would change. Cory -Original Message- From: Ole Drews Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 11:48 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: BCMSN: Flow Masks I can understand that even though you use a full IP flow for the flow masks, the switch only looks at the destination IP in the MLS cache before forwarding the packet. The flow masks are not used to check the cache, but to determine how much information to put in the cache. My question is, why would you use the full IP flow or IP source/destination flow instead of only IP destination when it only looks at the destination no matter what ??? Thanks, Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oledrews.com/ccnp **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN: Flow Masks
Thanks Francisco, but according to the BCMSN book by Karen Webb, page 233 : "Most Cisco documentation explains flow masks as a way to determine how packets are compared to entries in the MLS cache. This is inaccurate. Flow masks are actually used to determine how much information agbout the packet is placed in the MLS cache. The flow mask is not used to compare packets to existing entries in the MLS cache." Furthermore (page 237) "The MLS-SE switches a packet by comparing its destination addresss to what it has in cache. After it has determined that it knows the destination, it switches the packet without ever sending the packet to the MLS-RP. This example shows that there could be a potential security hole with the use of access lists and MLS. The information that is cached for MLS is useful for determining traffic patterns aned accounting. It is not, however, used to compare packets all the way through the Layer 4 information to ensure security." Still confused... Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oledrews.com/ccnp -Original Message- From: Francisco Muniz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 2:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: BCMSN: Flow Masks According to CCIE LAN Switching pag. 479 "The flow mask is used to set the granularity with which the NFFC determines what constitutes a flow" and it (the NFFC) creates shortcuts for each flow. Of course, the MAC address will be the same for any given address no matter what the source address or port number, but if you are using access lists on the router, you wouldn't want your switch to bypass them, so you set a smaller granularity so that each flow corresponds to a flow that has passed your access list. This way the switch won't "route" the wrong packets. Hope this helps. By the way, thank you for the link. Francisco Muniz. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN: Flow Masks
I read this as well...BUT... The BCMSN book says "Most Cisco Documnetation explains flow masks as a way to determine how packets are compared to entries in the MLS cache. This is inacurate. Flow masks are actually used to determine how much infomration about a packet is placed in the MLS cache. The flow mask is not used to compare packets to existing entries in the MLS cache." The book goes further to explain a security issue where a workstation pings another and creates an entry in the MLS cache. This workstation is then able to establish a FTP session session even though the access lists on the MLS-RP would not have allowed it. The book says "The MLS-SE switches a packet by comparing its destination address to what it has in cache. After it has determined that it knows the destination, it switches the packet without ever sending the packet to the MLS-RP." The book also says the the PFC addresses this issue by allowing the creation of VLAN Access Control Lists. If the statement about a a MLS-SE only looking at the destination address is true, Why must the MLS-SE's flow mask be at least as restrictive as the access list? For example, if the router has an extended access list, the switch must have an IP-Flow mask. Additionally, I don't really understand why MLSP hellos cariies information about VLANs that the routers interfaces route for and it the MLS-SE (without PFC)really does not care about access lists, why they need to be advertised. Any clarification would be greatly appreciated. Tom Kager **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN: Flow Masks
Beats me :( Apparently, the books contradict each other so I guess we'll have to wait for wiser minds to come and rescue us. I would love a definite answer on this one. Francisco. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN CiscoPress Book
On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 23:00:01 -0500 (EST), Marco Rodrigues wrote: > Hello Group, > > I dont' know if anyone found this yet, but I couldn't find an > errata on the ciscopress homepage so here it goes. On Pg .100 it states > that a VLAN ID header is 10 bits long in the first 26 bytes of the ISL > encapulation. But later in Figure 3-7 it says the VLAN ID field is 15 > bits. Can someone clarify this for me? > > Another issue is on Pg 104 is says original ethernet frames can't exceed > 1518 bytes. But they state that if using 802.1q the frame becomes 1522 > bytes long. I thought 802.1q inserts it's information into the exsisting > ethernet frame and ISL encapulates it making the size of the frame 1522 > bytes. Can someone also clarify this of me? > > Thanks in advance > > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Tired of slow Internet? Get @Home Broadband Internet http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN CiscoPress Book
"Marco Rodrigues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hello Group, > > I dont' know if anyone found this yet, but I couldn't find an > errata on the ciscopress homepage so here it goes. On Pg .100 it states > that a VLAN ID header is 10 bits long in the first 26 bytes of the ISL > encapulation. But later in Figure 3-7 it says the VLAN ID field is 15 > bits. Can someone clarify this for me? I don't have the book handy, so I can't cover this one. I will say that you will find many more errors in this book. It is a good reference, and will get you though the test, but if ever a book screamed for an errata, its this one. There were a couple of others pointed out by others, so check the groupstudy archives. One bad one is in the exercises for multicast IP-to-MAC translation. > Another issue is on Pg 104 is says original ethernet frames can't exceed > 1518 bytes. But they state that if using 802.1q the frame becomes 1522 > bytes long. I thought 802.1q inserts it's information into the exsisting > ethernet frame and ISL encapulates it making the size of the frame 1522 > bytes. Can someone also clarify this of me? IIRC, the frame, with the 802.1q tag inserted, is still an ethernet frame, and thus you could get notification on the switch of oversized frames if it exceeds 1518 bytes. However, with the ISL encapsulation, the frame is no longer an ethernet frame, it is an ISL frame, so the size limitation doesn't apply. ---JRE--- _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: bcmsn [7:31537]
This exam is probably the easiest of the CCNP exams. You may also want to pick up the Exam Cram Switching book from Richard Deal. It is inexpensive (I think $29.95 new, probably around $19.00 or less used at Amazon) I found this to be an excellent condensed book that covered quite a bit. Shawn K. -Original Message- From: D sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: bcmsn [7:31537] I am in the process of studying for the Switching exam can anyone tell me what I should expect. I am using the Cisco Multilayered Switched networks book from Cisco Press. rick _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=31546&t=31537 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: bcmsn [7:31537]
Hi Rick, I normally don't endorse or recommend books because everybody has different learning styles and experiences, but the Exam Cram Switching book was awesome for the bcmsn. ISBN: 1-57610-634-9 Scott -Original Message- From: Kaminski, Shawn G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 8:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: bcmsn [7:31537] This exam is probably the easiest of the CCNP exams. You may also want to pick up the Exam Cram Switching book from Richard Deal. It is inexpensive (I think $29.95 new, probably around $19.00 or less used at Amazon) I found this to be an excellent condensed book that covered quite a bit. Shawn K. -Original Message- From: D sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: bcmsn [7:31537] I am in the process of studying for the Switching exam can anyone tell me what I should expect. I am using the Cisco Multilayered Switched networks book from Cisco Press. rick _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=31552&t=31537 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: bcmsn [7:31538]
The BCMSN book covers almost everything. Buy a Boson test and that should be enough. Edmundo CCNP,CCNA,CCSA,MCSE Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=32196&t=31538 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: bcmsn [7:31538]
I would suggest the CCxx Productions practice tests (www.ccxxproductions.com) because they cover the same amount if not more than Boson and are much less expensive. I know that people are bias towards Boson on this group, but going the CCxx route would save people a lot of money. I know that everyone doesn't like people pushing products on this group, but I think this is for the best for people trying to get certified. Most of us have already spent a fortune getting certified. Every little bit saved helps. (Disclaimer: I helped write the CCxx Productions materials) Shawn K. -Original Message- From: Edmundo Bodero [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 12:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: bcmsn [7:31538] The BCMSN book covers almost everything. Buy a Boson test and that should be enough. Edmundo CCNP,CCNA,CCSA,MCSE Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=32203&t=31538 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN exam format
My BCMSN had 2 questions where you had to type them in. The CIT had about 6 for me, the BCRAN and BSCN had exhibit boxes with about 70 to 80 choices and you pick one from it, and still type it in... Hope this clarifies for everyone. Jim -Original Message- From: Azhar Zuberi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 4:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BCMSN exam format Hi, I was wondering if the BCMSN exam has any questions like ACRC where you have to type in commands. And if their are any how many are their. thanks Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN Book Info
Title: RE: BCMSN Book Info Zahid, I'm using Cisco Press's Book titled after the exam name. I've found it very informative and detailed. I've been told that it is all you need to pass the test. However I've found it very hard to follow. It I have to go back and read and reread portions sometimes. Fortunately I have access to several 5000 switches here at work so I can get some hands on, however just doing the commands without understanding everything behind them doesn't really teach you anything. If this book had more examples it would be better. I guess it all depends on how you learn. Joey Fowler - MCSE, CCNA -Original Message- From: Zahid Hassan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 8:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BCMSN Book Info Hi Everybody, Can anybody recommend any good study material for the BCMSN exam. I have heard that the CCNP Switching Exam Prep from Sean Odom is very good. Can anybody confirm this ? I would really appreciate any feedback. Zahid -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN exam availability
All the CCNP v2.0 exams are available except the new FRS. Regards, Aaron K. Dixon "Marakalas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi ppl > > Does someone know as to when will the new BCMSN and other CCNP ver 2.0 > exams be available. I'll really appreciate any input. Cheers > ___ > http://www.webmail.co.za the South-African free email service > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN exam availability
Umm...I don't believe the Routing 2.0 is out yet either is it? -Original Message- From: Aaron K. Dixon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 10:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: BCMSN exam availability All the CCNP v2.0 exams are available except the new FRS. Regards, Aaron K. Dixon "Marakalas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi ppl > > Does someone know as to when will the new BCMSN and other CCNP ver 2.0 > exams be available. I'll really appreciate any input. Cheers > ___ > http://www.webmail.co.za the South-African free email service > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN exam availability
It is available right now a www.2test.com!! Lou Nelson, CCNA, CCDA - Original Message - From: Marakalas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 10:39 AM Subject: BCMSN exam availability > Hi ppl > > Does someone know as to when will the new BCMSN and other CCNP ver 2.0 > exams be available. I'll really appreciate any input. Cheers > ___ > http://www.webmail.co.za the South-African free email service > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN exam availability
Having trouble finding study material beyond CCNA 2.0 though. Any suggestions? "Lou Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 005e01bfc13f$0cc4fcc0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:005e01bfc13f$0cc4fcc0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > It is available right now a www.2test.com!! > > Lou Nelson, CCNA, CCDA > - Original Message - > From: Marakalas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 10:39 AM > Subject: BCMSN exam availability > > > > Hi ppl > > > > Does someone know as to when will the new BCMSN and other CCNP ver 2.0 > > exams be available. I'll really appreciate any input. Cheers > > ___ > > http://www.webmail.co.za the South-African free email service > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN exam availability
Ciscopress has published Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks and Building Cisco Remote Access Networks, also, Cisco LAN Switching (CCIE Professional Development) is a very good book (pretty thick, too). I think the CIT is still valid, and also the CID. Francisco. "Vic Feferberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió en el mensaje de noticias 8g5tu4$jso$[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Having trouble finding study material beyond CCNA 2.0 though. Any > suggestions? > > > "Lou Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 005e01bfc13f$0cc4fcc0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:005e01bfc13f$0cc4fcc0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > It is available right now a www.2test.com!! > > > > Lou Nelson, CCNA, CCDA > > - Original Message - > > From: Marakalas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 10:39 AM > > Subject: BCMSN exam availability > > > > > > > Hi ppl > > > > > > Does someone know as to when will the new BCMSN and other CCNP ver 2.0 > > > exams be available. I'll really appreciate any input. Cheers > > > ___ > > > http://www.webmail.co.za the South-African free email service > > > > > > ___ > > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --- > > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN hardware question
I went to the course and here is what we had. At the core we ran 2x Catalyst 5509 with RSM Distribution we had 4x Catalyst 5005 Access Layer we had 8x Catalyst 1912 All in all a very good class. Good Luck Daryn P. Bartlett > -Original Message- > From: Steve Kalman [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 1:05 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: BCMSN hardware question > > Hi Folks, > > I'm interested in taking BCMSN. Before plunking down $2500US, I was > wondering if anyone could answer a few questions about the course? > > What hardware is present? The sales rep at one training company said that > all students have 1900s and 5500s. Another said that the course has those > switches. (Quite a difference!) Another sales rep listed four model number > series (1900, 2600, 5500 and 2500). I assume that a router would be > helpful, > but both 2500 and 2600? Still another sales person said that there would > be > internal routers (RSM, I presume) and ISLs (inter switch links, probably) > and Supervisors (Sup III, I'd hope) but the salesperson had no idea what > those acronyms meant. > > Has anyone gone to this course (better yet, taught it)? Can you advise on > the hands on component? > > Thanks, > > Steve > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN book info
The ciscopress's book.In my opinion,the Boson practice test is useful. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN book info
The ciscopress 's book.In my opinion,Boson practice test is also
useful.
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>I would appreciate if anybody could suggest any good
>book for studying for BCMSN exam.
>What about the Boson practice test ? Can they be also
>recommended?
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>Regards,
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>Zahid
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Re: BCMSN book info
The ciscopress's book.In my opinion,the Boson practice test is useful. Best wishes. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN [7:20597]
Hard Exam. Be careful and study very hard OSPF and BGP. Route redistribution and sumarization. - Alberto Martmn Sinopoli Microsoft MCP + I, MCSE Cisco CCNA, CCNP Buenos Aires - Argentina - ""sohail mir"" escribis en el mensaje [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi, > I was wondering if some could help me. I need some info regarding BCMSN > exam and scoring. I would be grateful if someone could enlighten me... > Thanks, > MSJ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=20632&t=20597 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN [7:20597]
That's funny. I don't remember any of those on my BCMSN exam. I did see all of those on my BSCN exam though. ;-) Heather In a message dated 9/20/01 8:42:09 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=20636&t=20597 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN [7:20597]
I4m the one who is wrong. Sorry I got confused with BCSN that is the one I was talking about . Regarding BCMSN it4s not so difficult, VLANS, Multicast etc.. to put it in a nutshell "NOT SO COMPLICATED " at least for me. Best wishes - Alberto Martmn Sinopoli Microsoft MCP + I, MCSE Cisco CCNA, CCNP Buenos Aires - Argentina - ""Albert Martin Sinopoli"" escribis en el mensaje [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hard Exam. Be careful and study very hard OSPF and BGP. Route redistribution > and sumarization. > > > - > Alberto Martmn Sinopoli > Microsoft MCP + I, MCSE > Cisco CCNA, CCNP > Buenos Aires - Argentina > - > ""sohail mir"" escribis en el mensaje > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hi, > > I was wondering if some could help me. I need some info regarding BCMSN > > exam and scoring. I would be grateful if someone could enlighten me... > > Thanks, > > MSJ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=20674&t=20597 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN [7:20597]
So what is the passing score for this exam? I'm also taking it next month. Thanks. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=20691&t=20597 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN [7:20597]
I think its 699. ""John McCartney"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > So what is the passing score for this exam? I'm also taking it next month. > Thanks. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=20762&t=20597 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN [7:20597]
do your best and if thats not good enough try again after more effort.. Brian "Sonic" Whalen Success = Preparation + Opportunity On Fri, 21 Sep 2001, John McCartney wrote: > So what is the passing score for this exam? I'm also taking it next month. > Thanks. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=20804&t=20597 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN Questions - Pls Help
Q1 should be D - 1900 is too small and only 10MB - not good for LARGE graphic files Q2- check the log -Original Message- From: Giggsy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 January 2001 15:56 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: BCMSN Questions - Pls Help Hi While i am preparing for my Switching 2.0 Exam, i encounter the following 2 questions while i do the pracice exams which have different answers. Would appreciate if someone could enlighten me what should be the CORRECT answer. Question 1 == The ACME company is a small manufacturing company that wants to interconnect users on multiple floors in the same building. To date, the company has only 15 employees but plans to triple in number in the next year. Users require access to large graphic files on the workgroup servers. What is the most appropriate device for the access layer? A. Catalyst 8500 series switch B. Catalyst 5500 series switch with an internal RSM C. Catalyst 1900 series switch with 10 BaseT ports D. Catalyst 2900 series switch with 100 BaseTX ports COLT said that the answer should be D BUT the course book's answer is C. So which one should it be??? Question 2 === how to find out what error messages were being sent to the other out-bands besides the console port. So what is the answer for this? Hope someone can help. Thanks Regards _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN Questions - Pls Help
>Hi > >While i am preparing for my Switching 2.0 Exam, i encounter the following 2 >questions while i do the pracice exams which have different answers. Would >appreciate if someone could enlighten me what should be the CORRECT answer. > >Question 1 >== >The ACME company is a small manufacturing company that wants to interconnect >users on multiple floors in the same building. To date, the company has only >15 employees but plans to triple in number in the next year. Users require >access to large graphic files on the workgroup servers. What is the most >appropriate device for the access layer? > >A. Catalyst 8500 series switch >B. Catalyst 5500 series switch with an internal RSM >C. Catalyst 1900 series switch with 10 BaseT ports >D. Catalyst 2900 series switch with 100 BaseTX ports > >COLT said that the answer should be D BUT the course book's answer is C. So >which one should it be??? Seriously, what do you think is the best answer? Why? Why not? Knowing which test answer is "right" is less important than knowing how the answer is determined. Have you looked at the dates of both and thought that both might be correct, reflecting switch pricing at the time of publication? > >Question 2 >=== >how to find out what error messages were being sent to the other out-bands >besides the console port. > >So what is the answer for this? Seriously, what do you think is the best answer? Why? Why not? Not quite sure what you mean by an out-band. > >Hope someone can help. Thanks > > >Regards > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN Questions - Pls Help
In addition to just getting the "right" answers I would suggest doing some research. Go to www.cisco.com, under Prodcuts and Technologies select Switches. You will be presented with a top level description of Cisco's switch line and many links to explore. Learning HOW to figure out the answers will be important on the job. Right away you see that the 8500 series switch is an ATM switch, so you can throw that one out. The 1900 series is fixed at 24 ports maximum (the two 100 Mbps ports are generally used for uplinks). The question points to a backbone switch solution with the keywords "multiple floors" and the desire to expand to 45 ports. Although there is a 2948 (48 ports) and a 2980 (80 ports) most of the Cisco training literature suggests the use of a Catalyst 5500 (or 6500) as a backbone series switch. Giggsy wrote: > Hi > > While i am preparing for my Switching 2.0 Exam, i encounter the following 2 > questions while i do the pracice exams which have different answers. Would > appreciate if someone could enlighten me what should be the CORRECT answer. > > Question 1 > == > The ACME company is a small manufacturing company that wants to interconnect > users on multiple floors in the same building. To date, the company has only > 15 employees but plans to triple in number in the next year. Users require > access to large graphic files on the workgroup servers. What is the most > appropriate device for the access layer? > > A. Catalyst 8500 series switch > B. Catalyst 5500 series switch with an internal RSM > C. Catalyst 1900 series switch with 10 BaseT ports > D. Catalyst 2900 series switch with 100 BaseTX ports > > COLT said that the answer should be D BUT the course book's answer is C. So > which one should it be??? > > Question 2 > === > how to find out what error messages were being sent to the other out-bands > besides the console port. > > So what is the answer for this? > > Hope someone can help. Thanks > > Regards > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN Questions - Pls Help
Good point. Although the Test Question World did talk about expanding to 45 people and this idea of expandability and multiple floors point to a backbone switch, IMHO. In the Real World often I have had customer who popluate the Catalyst 5500 (more often a 6500 these days) with GigE and GBICs and run them via fiber to 3548's on each floor. -Jonathan Jim Dixon wrote: > Hi Jonathan, > The question at the end of the description states ACCESS layer as the layer > for which we are to select the switch. > While I don't disagree totally with your assessment of what should be > selected, I think the answer should be 2900 series > just more than one and if the truth be known the 3500 series might fit even > better although IT is not listed as an option. > > Jim > > -Original Message- > From: Jonathan Hays [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 9:46 AM > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: BCMSN Questions - Pls Help > > In addition to just getting the "right" answers I would suggest doing some > research. Go > to www.cisco.com, under Prodcuts and Technologies select Switches. You will > be presented > with a top level description of Cisco's switch line and many links to > explore. Learning > HOW to figure out the answers will be important on the job. > > Right away you see that the 8500 series switch is an ATM switch, so you can > throw that > one out. The 1900 series is fixed at 24 ports maximum (the two 100 Mbps > ports are > generally used for uplinks). The question points to a backbone switch > solution with the > keywords "multiple floors" and the desire to expand to 45 ports. Although > there is a > 2948 (48 ports) and a 2980 (80 ports) most of the Cisco training literature > suggests the > use of a Catalyst 5500 (or 6500) as a backbone series switch. > > Giggsy wrote: > > > Hi > > > > While i am preparing for my Switching 2.0 Exam, i encounter the following > 2 > > questions while i do the pracice exams which have different answers. Would > > appreciate if someone could enlighten me what should be the CORRECT > answer. > > > > Question 1 > > == > > The ACME company is a small manufacturing company that wants to > interconnect > > users on multiple floors in the same building. To date, the company has > only > > 15 employees but plans to triple in number in the next year. Users require > > access to large graphic files on the workgroup servers. What is the most > > appropriate device for the access layer? > > > > A. Catalyst 8500 series switch > > B. Catalyst 5500 series switch with an internal RSM > > C. Catalyst 1900 series switch with 10 BaseT ports > > D. Catalyst 2900 series switch with 100 BaseTX ports > > > > COLT said that the answer should be D BUT the course book's answer is C. > So > > which one should it be??? > > > > Question 2 > > === > > how to find out what error messages were being sent to the other out-bands > > besides the console port. > > > > So what is the answer for this? > > > > Hope someone can help. Thanks > > > > Regards > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN Questions - Pls Help
Giggsy If, your 1st question comes from the BCMSN book. Then the question only says large files not large graphic files. Also, if you read the section choosing cisco products in the 1st chapter where this question is from, you will see it recommends the 1900 series switch for a 50-user LAN. So answer C is right. Giggsy wrote: > > Hi > > While i am preparing for my Switching 2.0 Exam, i encounter the following 2 > questions while i do the pracice exams which have different answers. Would > appreciate if someone could enlighten me what should be the CORRECT answer. > > Question 1 > == > The ACME company is a small manufacturing company that wants to interconnect > users on multiple floors in the same building. To date, the company has only > 15 employees but plans to triple in number in the next year. Users require > access to large graphic files on the workgroup servers. What is the most > appropriate device for the access layer? > > A. Catalyst 8500 series switch > B. Catalyst 5500 series switch with an internal RSM > C. Catalyst 1900 series switch with 10 BaseT ports > D. Catalyst 2900 series switch with 100 BaseTX ports > > COLT said that the answer should be D BUT the course book's answer is C. So > which one should it be??? > > Question 2 > === > how to find out what error messages were being sent to the other out-bands > besides the console port. > > So what is the answer for this? > > Hope someone can help. Thanks > > Regards > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Shabbir S. Talib MCSE, CNE, CCNA _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN test (Brayn Osoro)
Here is a link on amazon.com for that book http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1576106349/o/qid=96739/sr=8-3/ref =aps_sr_b_1_5/102-4232526-1028920 Hope that helps Bryan "sohrabi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 000201c01d5f$4f1be260$bccc07c2@sohrabi">news:000201c01d5f$4f1be260$bccc07c2@sohrabi... > Hi Brayn, > thank you for your information, I don't know what is Exam Cram ? > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BCMSN: Inter VLAN communication
> I have just started reading about devices on different VLAN's communicating > with eachother via a Router. > > The thing I find odd (page 190/191 in Karen Webb's book) is the following: > > Three (3) VLAN's are configured on the first switch, and one (1) VLAN is > configured on the second switch. On the first switch, there are 3 VLANs that are configured to go to 3 interfaces on the first router and on the 2nd switch, it could be using ISL or 802.1q trunking to a second router. You don't need 3 separate interfaces when you are doing trunking as long as the switch and the router can do ISL or 802.1q or whatever proprietary protocol you want to use for trunking, both have to speak the same trunking language. Does that clear it up a little? Scott > The first switch has three physical connections to the router, which makes > sense, but the second switch has three physical connections to the router > too, which doesn't make sense (to me at least). > > The way I see it, is that a VLAN would be (in theory) similar to a physical > LAN, so if I change the three (3) VLAN's on one switch to three switches > with one VLAN each, I would have one physical connection from each switch to > the router, and one physical connection from the second, or in this case the > fourth switch to the router. > > I know that I will probably know the answer to this if I just finish the > chapter, but I hate not being sure about the information that the rest of > the information is related to. > > Can someone clarify that for me? > > Thanks, > > Ole > > ~~ > Ole Drews Jensen > Systems Network Manager > CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I > RWR Enterprises, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ~~ > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Scott Nelson - Network Engineer Wash DC +1202-270-8968 & +1202-352-6646 Los Angeles +1310-367-6646 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "The better the customer service, the sooner you get to speak with someone who can't help you." -- **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN: Inter VLAN communication
A little bit Scott, but the first scenario shows it without trunking: (this should be viewed with a fixed font) [SWITCH] [ROUTER] [SWITCH] [vlan10]--[ ]--[vlan20] [vlan11]--[ ]--[ ] [vlan12]--[ ]--[ ] This I believe is wrong, since it should only need one physical connection between the router and the second switch (to the right) - like this: [SWITCH] [ROUTER] [SWITCH] [vlan10]--[ ]--[vlan20] [vlan11]--[ ] [ ] [vlan12]--[ ] [ ] The purpose of the router is to route from one network to another, and if you would send data from a workstation on vlan11 to a workstation on vlan20, it should go via the cable connected to the port on the first switch that is assigned to vlan11. In the router it would be routed to vlan20 which should only have one connection from that switch. If you (or anyone else) disagree, please let me know why. Thanks, Ole ~~ Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ -Original Message- From: Scott Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 6:08 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: BCMSN: Inter VLAN communication > I have just started reading about devices on different VLAN's communicating > with eachother via a Router. > > The thing I find odd (page 190/191 in Karen Webb's book) is the following: > > Three (3) VLAN's are configured on the first switch, and one (1) VLAN is > configured on the second switch. On the first switch, there are 3 VLANs that are configured to go to 3 interfaces on the first router and on the 2nd switch, it could be using ISL or 802.1q trunking to a second router. You don't need 3 separate interfaces when you are doing trunking as long as the switch and the router can do ISL or 802.1q or whatever proprietary protocol you want to use for trunking, both have to speak the same trunking language. Does that clear it up a little? Scott > The first switch has three physical connections to the router, which makes > sense, but the second switch has three physical connections to the router > too, which doesn't make sense (to me at least). > > The way I see it, is that a VLAN would be (in theory) similar to a physical > LAN, so if I change the three (3) VLAN's on one switch to three switches > with one VLAN each, I would have one physical connection from each switch to > the router, and one physical connection from the second, or in this case the > fourth switch to the router. > > I know that I will probably know the answer to this if I just finish the > chapter, but I hate not being sure about the information that the rest of > the information is related to. > > Can someone clarify that for me? > > Thanks, > > Ole > > ~~ > Ole Drews Jensen > Systems Network Manager > CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I > RWR Enterprises, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ~~ > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Scott Nelson - Network Engineer Wash DC +1202-270-8968 & +1202-352-6646 Los Angeles +1310-367-6646 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- "The better the customer service, the sooner you get to speak with someone who can't help you." -- **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN: Inter VLAN communication
Hi In the first scenario, the book explains the setup without ISL being configured, and hence each one of the 3 VLANs need a separate link to communicate to VLAN60. Only when ISL is configured , your argument holds good. Hope this clears your doubt. Regds --- Ole Drews Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A little bit Scott, but the first scenario shows it without trunking: > > (this should be viewed with a fixed font) > > [SWITCH] [ROUTER] [SWITCH] > [vlan10]--[ ]--[vlan20] > [vlan11]--[ ]--[ ] > [vlan12]--[ ]--[ ] > > This I believe is wrong, since it should only need one physical > connection > between the router and the second switch (to the right) - like this: > > [SWITCH] [ROUTER] [SWITCH] > [vlan10]--[ ]--[vlan20] > [vlan11]--[ ] [ ] > [vlan12]--[ ] [ ] > > The purpose of the router is to route from one network to another, and > if > you would send data from a workstation on vlan11 to a workstation on > vlan20, > it should go via the cable connected to the port on the first switch > that is > assigned to vlan11. In the router it would be routed to vlan20 which > should > only have one connection from that switch. > > If you (or anyone else) disagree, please let me know why. > > Thanks, > > Ole > > ~~ > Ole Drews Jensen > Systems Network Manager > CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I > RWR Enterprises, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ~~ > > > -Original Message----- > From: Scott Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 6:08 PM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: Re: BCMSN: Inter VLAN communication > > > > I have just started reading about devices on different VLAN's > communicating > > with eachother via a Router. > > > > The thing I find odd (page 190/191 in Karen Webb's book) is the > following: > > > > Three (3) VLAN's are configured on the first switch, and one (1) VLAN > is > > configured on the second switch. > > On the first switch, there are 3 VLANs that are configured to go to 3 > interfaces on the first router and on the 2nd switch, it could be using > ISL > or 802.1q trunking to a second router. You don't need 3 separate > interfaces > when you are doing trunking as long as the switch and the router can do > ISL > or 802.1q or whatever proprietary protocol you want to use for trunking, > both have to speak the same trunking language. > > Does that clear it up a little? > > Scott > > > > > The first switch has three physical connections to the router, which > makes > > sense, but the second switch has three physical connections to the > router > > too, which doesn't make sense (to me at least). > > > > The way I see it, is that a VLAN would be (in theory) similar to a > physical > > LAN, so if I change the three (3) VLAN's on one switch to three > switches > > with one VLAN each, I would have one physical connection from each > switch > to > > the router, and one physical connection from the second, or in this > case > the > > fourth switch to the router. > > > > I know that I will probably know the answer to this if I just finish > the > > chapter, but I hate not being sure about the information that the rest > of > > the information is related to. > > > > Can someone clarify that for me? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ole > > > > ~~ > > Ole Drews Jensen > > Systems Network Manager > > CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I > > RWR Enterprises, Inc. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ~~ > > > > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > > _ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > Scott Nelson - Network Engineer > Wash DC +1202-270-8968 & +1202-352-6646 > Los Angeles +1310-367-6646 > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > > "The better the customer service, the sooner you get to speak > w
RE: BCMSN: Inter VLAN communication
Maybe I am slow this Friday morning, but I still do not see the light. If we forget about them being three VLAN's on one switch, let's instead say they are three LAN's - one on each switch. You would now connect those three switches to the router with a cable per switch - thus using three cables. On the other side of the router we only had one VLAN, so we just forget about the VLAN and make it a LAN which then only need one switch, and thus only one cable to the router. What we have now is four switches - each in a separate LAN, that are interconnected via the router. If we say that the three LAN's are in building A and the fourth LAN are in building B, and the router we could place in the parking garage. We would now need three cables from the router to building A and one cable from the router to building B. So far, so good. It would make sense to connect the first three switches to each other and separate the LAN's by making VLAN's instead (we are now getting back to the original plot). The switch in building B only has one LAN, so we would only need to make one VLAN over there. Now, why should I suddenly have to run three cables instead of only one between the router and the switch in building B??? Thanks for your comments (and time) on this, Ole ~~ Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ -Original Message- From: Dinesh B [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 10:12 AM To: Ole Drews Jensen; 'Scott Nelson'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: BCMSN: Inter VLAN communication Hi In the first scenario, the book explains the setup without ISL being configured, and hence each one of the 3 VLANs need a separate link to communicate to VLAN60. Only when ISL is configured , your argument holds good. Hope this clears your doubt. Regds --- Ole Drews Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A little bit Scott, but the first scenario shows it without trunking: > > (this should be viewed with a fixed font) > > [SWITCH] [ROUTER] [SWITCH] > [vlan10]--[ ]--[vlan20] > [vlan11]--[ ]--[ ] > [vlan12]--[ ]--[ ] > > This I believe is wrong, since it should only need one physical > connection > between the router and the second switch (to the right) - like this: > > [SWITCH] [ROUTER] [SWITCH] > [vlan10]--[ ]--[vlan20] > [vlan11]--[ ] [ ] > [vlan12]--[ ] [ ] > > The purpose of the router is to route from one network to another, and > if > you would send data from a workstation on vlan11 to a workstation on > vlan20, > it should go via the cable connected to the port on the first switch > that is > assigned to vlan11. In the router it would be routed to vlan20 which > should > only have one connection from that switch. > > If you (or anyone else) disagree, please let me know why. > > Thanks, > > Ole > > ~~ > Ole Drews Jensen > Systems Network Manager > CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I > RWR Enterprises, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ~~~~~~ > > > -Original Message- > From: Scott Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 6:08 PM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: Re: BCMSN: Inter VLAN communication > > > > I have just started reading about devices on different VLAN's > communicating > > with eachother via a Router. > > > > The thing I find odd (page 190/191 in Karen Webb's book) is the > following: > > > > Three (3) VLAN's are configured on the first switch, and one (1) VLAN > is > > configured on the second switch. > > On the first switch, there are 3 VLANs that are configured to go to 3 > interfaces on the first router and on the 2nd switch, it could be using > ISL > or 802.1q trunking to a second router. You don't need 3 separate > interfaces > when you are doing trunking as long as the switch and the router can do > ISL > or 802.1q or whatever proprietary protocol you want to use for trunking, > both have to speak the same trunking language. > > Does that clear it up a little? > > Scott > > > > > The first switch has three physical connections to the router, which > makes > > sense, but the second switch has three physical connections to the > router > > too, which doesn't make sense (to me at least). > > > > The way I see it, is that a VLAN would be (in theory) similar to a > physical &
RE: BCMSN: Inter VLAN communication
Hi.. Well, I must say I am confused now...The only reason what I could think of that setup depends on the configuration in the router. If in the router, you want to retain the VLAN information then probably we endup with the 3 line setup. Group, clarify this doubt. Regds --- Ole Drews Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe I am slow this Friday morning, but I still do not see the light. > > If we forget about them being three VLAN's on one switch, let's instead > say > they are three LAN's - one on each switch. You would now connect those > three > switches to the router with a cable per switch - thus using three > cables. On > the other side of the router we only had one VLAN, so we just forget > about > the VLAN and make it a LAN which then only need one switch, and thus > only > one cable to the router. > > What we have now is four switches - each in a separate LAN, that are > interconnected via the router. > > If we say that the three LAN's are in building A and the fourth LAN are > in > building B, and the router we could place in the parking garage. We > would > now need three cables from the router to building A and one cable from > the > router to building B. > > So far, so good. > > It would make sense to connect the first three switches to each other > and > separate the LAN's by making VLAN's instead (we are now getting back to > the > original plot). The switch in building B only has one LAN, so we would > only > need to make one VLAN over there. > > Now, why should I suddenly have to run three cables instead of only one > between the router and the switch in building B??? > > Thanks for your comments (and time) on this, > > Ole > > ~~ > Ole Drews Jensen > Systems Network Manager > CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I > RWR Enterprises, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ~~ > > > > -Original Message- > From: Dinesh B [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 10:12 AM > To: Ole Drews Jensen; 'Scott Nelson'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: BCMSN: Inter VLAN communication > > > Hi > > In the first scenario, the book explains the setup without ISL being > configured, and hence each one of the 3 VLANs need a separate link to > communicate to VLAN60. Only when ISL is configured , your argument holds > good. > > Hope this clears your doubt. > > Regds > > > --- Ole Drews Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A little bit Scott, but the first scenario shows it without trunking: > > > > (this should be viewed with a fixed font) > > > > [SWITCH] [ROUTER] [SWITCH] > > [vlan10]--[ ]--[vlan20] > > [vlan11]--[ ]--[ ] > > [vlan12]--[ ]--[ ] > > > > This I believe is wrong, since it should only need one physical > > connection > > between the router and the second switch (to the right) - like this: > > > > [SWITCH] [ROUTER] [SWITCH] > > [vlan10]--[ ]--[vlan20] > > [vlan11]--[ ] [ ] > > [vlan12]--[ ] [ ] > > > > The purpose of the router is to route from one network to another, and > > if > > you would send data from a workstation on vlan11 to a workstation on > > vlan20, > > it should go via the cable connected to the port on the first switch > > that is > > assigned to vlan11. In the router it would be routed to vlan20 which > > should > > only have one connection from that switch. > > > > If you (or anyone else) disagree, please let me know why. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ole > > > > ~~ > > Ole Drews Jensen > > Systems Network Manager > > CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I > > RWR Enterprises, Inc. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ~~ > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Scott Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 6:08 PM > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > Subject: Re: BCMSN: Inter VLAN communication > > > > > > > I have just started reading about devices on different VLAN's > > communicating > > > with eachother via a Router. > > > > > > The thing I find odd (page 190/191 in Karen Webb's book) is the > > following: > > > > > > Three (3) VLAN's are configured on the fi
Re: BCMSN: VLAN's and Subnets
Looks good to me, however if you are planning to use inter-VLan routing you might want to make sure that the protocol you select can handle VLSM. David Ng Senior Systems Engineer Integration Technologies Inc. 1201 Dove Street Suite 200 Newport Beach CA 92660 Microsoft MCSE, Cisco CCNA/CCDA, Citrix CCA, Check Point CCSA Ole Drews Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 2019FB428FD3D311893700508B71EBFB313971@RWR_MAIL_SVR">news:2019FB428FD3D311893700508B71EBFB313971@RWR_MAIL_SVR... > I have a question about implementing VLAN's in existing LAN's. > > Let's say that I have one office with stacked switches connecting 100 users > to a network with a couple of servers and other good stuff. > > Layer 2 info : Ethernet, one big broadcast domain > Layer 3 info : IP, one full class C : 192.168.16.0 > > After having analyzed the entire LAN, I find out that 50 users are using > resources that the other 50 users are not using, and the same thing the > other way around. Instead of splitting the stacked switches up in two > separated physical stacks, I now assign the ports for the first 50 users to > VLAN 11 and for the rest 50 users VLAN 12. > > Layer 2 info : Ethernet, two big broadcast domains (not including > VLAN1) > Layer 3 info : IP, one full class C : 192.168.16.0 > > I would assume that this would work great as long as noone from VLAN 11 > needs any resources from VLAN 12, and the same thing the other way around. > > Now to my question (which is more a confirmation of my theory): > > I would only need to split my class C up in subnets if I want Inter-VLAN > communication between my VLAN 11 and VLAN 12 right??? > > Layer 2 info : Ethernet, two big broadcast domains (not including > VLAN1) > Layer 3 info : IP, VLAN 11 : 192.168.16.64/26, VLAN 12 : > 192.168.16.128/26 > > Do I have the right idea, or am I way off??? > > Thanks for your comments on this. > > Ole > > > Ole Drews Jensen > Systems Network Manager > CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I > RWR Enterprises, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.insync.net/~drews/ccnp > > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN: VLAN's and Subnets
I have one problem with this scenario: Why did you put VLAN under layer 3 info? As far as I know they are strictly L2 My two cents: Assuming that they have their own servers, and that you are not routing between them then they can have any address that you wish (private). It is like having two LANs. The switches can also be totally separate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ole Drews Jensen Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 9:48 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: BCMSN: VLAN's and Subnets I have a question about implementing VLAN's in existing LAN's. Let's say that I have one office with stacked switches connecting 100 users to a network with a couple of servers and other good stuff. Layer 2 info: Ethernet, one big broadcast domain Layer 3 info: IP, one full class C : 192.168.16.0 After having analyzed the entire LAN, I find out that 50 users are using resources that the other 50 users are not using, and the same thing the other way around. Instead of splitting the stacked switches up in two separated physical stacks, I now assign the ports for the first 50 users to VLAN 11 and for the rest 50 users VLAN 12. Layer 2 info: Ethernet, two big broadcast domains (not including VLAN1) Layer 3 info: IP, one full class C : 192.168.16.0 I would assume that this would work great as long as noone from VLAN 11 needs any resources from VLAN 12, and the same thing the other way around. Now to my question (which is more a confirmation of my theory): I would only need to split my class C up in subnets if I want Inter-VLAN communication between my VLAN 11 and VLAN 12 right??? Layer 2 info: Ethernet, two big broadcast domains (not including VLAN1) Layer 3 info: IP, VLAN 11 : 192.168.16.64/26, VLAN 12 : 192.168.16.128/26 Do I have the right idea, or am I way off??? Thanks for your comments on this. Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.insync.net/~drews/ccnp **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BCMSN: VLAN's and Subnets
To add a little twist to that scenario. If for instance in your server block, you place 2 NICs on each machine address them to the different subnets. Plug each NIC onto a port on the switch/switches, and assign those ports to the appropriate VLAN. Theoretically would this allow each of the VLANs to see the "same" resources (servers)? -Original Message- From: Ole Drews Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 11:48 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: BCMSN: VLAN's and Subnets I have a question about implementing VLAN's in existing LAN's. Let's say that I have one office with stacked switches connecting 100 users to a network with a couple of servers and other good stuff. Layer 2 info: Ethernet, one big broadcast domain Layer 3 info: IP, one full class C : 192.168.16.0 After having analyzed the entire LAN, I find out that 50 users are using resources that the other 50 users are not using, and the same thing the other way around. Instead of splitting the stacked switches up in two separated physical stacks, I now assign the ports for the first 50 users to VLAN 11 and for the rest 50 users VLAN 12. Layer 2 info: Ethernet, two big broadcast domains (not including VLAN1) Layer 3 info: IP, one full class C : 192.168.16.0 I would assume that this would work great as long as noone from VLAN 11 needs any resources from VLAN 12, and the same thing the other way around. Now to my question (which is more a confirmation of my theory): I would only need to split my class C up in subnets if I want Inter-VLAN communication between my VLAN 11 and VLAN 12 right??? Layer 2 info: Ethernet, two big broadcast domains (not including VLAN1) Layer 3 info: IP, VLAN 11 : 192.168.16.64/26, VLAN 12 : 192.168.16.128/26 Do I have the right idea, or am I way off??? Thanks for your comments on this. Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.insync.net/~drews/ccnp **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
