RE: CID exam - 640-025 [7:65139]
I passed it three weeks ago, no to hard I uesd the Top Down Network Design book, it´s a great book, but I actuly just got through half of it before the exam. it´s not that hard, and I took the CCDA, the old version after the CID and i would say the cid is a little harder, and not as boring i.e. does not contain case study´s like the ccda. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=65143&t=65139 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID exam - 640-025 [7:65139]
Hi, I have done that exam today and passed barely. This after I failed barely last week. I used great books (because I like great books!). 1. Top Down Network Design - Priscilla Oppenheimer. 2. Cisco Internetwork Design - Mathew Birkner. 3. Boson Test #1 Practice Test. These resources will take you through, but you have to read the questions carefully, because two answers look almost alike (to the uninitiated!)that is when I realized the difficulty of this exam for someone without networking experience. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=65141&t=65139 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID exam 640-025 [7:57268]
Tim/Shawn, In regards to the CID 640-025 exam...I have heard rumors that AT and IPX have been somewhat removed as well? The current exam objectives on CCO would indicate this, but like others, I doubt Cisco's honesty on their exam objectives a bit. Can you confirm or deny this rumor of AT & IPX being removed from the DP exam? Thanks. Steve Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=57294&t=57268 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID exam 640-025 [7:57268]
You have to be careful here because Cisco likes to add (to their blueprints) the famous "The following topics are general guidelines for the content likely to be included on the Cisco Internetwork Design exam. However, other related topics may also appear on any specific delivery of the exam." I haven't heard of any SNA showing up on the CID exam, but sometimes I find it hard to trust Cisco when it comes to the exams! :-) Shawn K. -Original Message- From: Tim Metz [mailto:timmetz@;hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CID exam 640-025 [7:57268] No SNA on the blueprint means no SNA on the test. I took it a few months ago and didn't have any either. Tim ""David"" wrote in message news:200211120415.EAA12014@;groupstudy.com... > Hi folks, > > The CID exam. The Cisco has a lot of SNA content in it, however I > can't find any SNA stuff at (excuse wrapping) > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/current_exam s/640-025.html > > > I can't find anything about changes on Cisco's website, so...does the > CID have any SNA? > > Cheers, > > David Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=57289&t=57268 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID exam 640-025 [7:57268]
No SNA on the blueprint means no SNA on the test. I took it a few months ago and didn't have any either. Tim ""David"" wrote in message news:200211120415.EAA12014@;groupstudy.com... > Hi folks, > > The CID exam. The Cisco has a lot of SNA content in it, > however I can't find any SNA stuff at (excuse wrapping) > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/current_exam s/640-025.html > > > I can't find anything about changes on Cisco's website, > so...does the CID have any SNA? > > Cheers, > > David Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=57272&t=57268 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam 3.0 [7:48839]
Words of advice for any test. Thanks, Dan -Original Message- From: Bernard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 2:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Dan Penn' Subject: RE: CID Exam 3.0 [7:48839] Dan, My first e-mail to the CID practice test users informing them of the changes is dated March 1, 2002. That must be the approximate date that the CID objectives changed. Good luck with the exam. This exam is still tricky and you must read the questions very carefully. Bernard Omrani Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48960&t=48839 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam 3.0 [7:48839]
Dan, My first e-mail to the CID practice test users informing them of the changes is dated March 1, 2002. That must be the approximate date that the CID objectives changed. Good luck with the exam. This exam is still tricky and you must read the questions very carefully. Bernard Omrani > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > Dan Penn > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 10:37 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: CID Exam 3.0 [7:48839] > > Thanks for the heads up Bernard, I hadn't even looked at the outline > lately. Any ideas as when this all changed approximately? Well I might > be doing CID a lot sooner now that I don't have to worry about SNA. > > Dan > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > Bernard > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 12:46 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: CID Exam 3.0 [7:48839] > > Cisco has made changes to its CID objectives. The following is the > updated link: > > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/current_ > exams/640-025.html > > > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/current_ > exams/640-025.html > > IPX, AppleTalk, SNA and Stratacom questions have been removed from the > objectives. > > HTH, > > Bernard Omrani > Author of Boson practice tests Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48948&t=48839 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam 3.0 [7:48839]
Thanks for the heads up Bernard, I hadn't even looked at the outline lately. Any ideas as when this all changed approximately? Well I might be doing CID a lot sooner now that I don't have to worry about SNA. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bernard Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 12:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CID Exam 3.0 [7:48839] Cisco has made changes to its CID objectives. The following is the updated link: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/current_ exams/640-025.html http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/current_ exams/640-025.html IPX, AppleTalk, SNA and Stratacom questions have been removed from the objectives. HTH, Bernard Omrani Author of Boson practice tests > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > Dan Penn > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 10:01 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: CID Exam 3.0 [7:48839] > > Check out the outline on CCO. As far as I know SNA, IPX, and Applecrap, > I mean I talk, are still there for CID. > > Dan > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > suaveguru > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:53 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: CID Exam 3.0 [7:48839] > > hi anyone knows what I should emphasize for the CID > exam ? Should I drop SNA , appletalk? What should I > concentrate on > > > thanks > > suaveguru > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48880&t=48839 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID Exam 3.0 [7:48839]
Someone should dig out that Radia Perlman quote from Interconnections. Something about not knowing anything about protocols if you only study one (i.e. TCP/IP) :) I would but I don't have the book here. Darn it. - Original Message - From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 12:54 PM Subject: RE: CID Exam 3.0 [7:48839] > Dan Penn wrote: > > > > Check out the outline on CCO. As far as I know SNA, IPX, and > > Applecrap, > > I mean I talk, are still there for CID. > > And, sir, why do you call it Applecrap? ;-) Seriously, can you provide some > technical reasons to disparage it? > > Perhaps it's still on Cisco tests because the philosophies behind AppleTalk > had a big impact on modern desktop protocol design. Also, many universities > and schools of all sorts still have large AppleTalk networks. You would be > surprised at how many still use it. It's also still used at scientific and > graphics arts companies. > > Many protocol designers admire the pioneering work that Apple did to make > networks plug and play. There's a new IETF working group called the Zero > Configuration Networking group that credits AppleTalk. See here for more info: > > http://www.zeroconf.org/ > > Note that IPv6 has serverless autonegotiation of network-layer addresses > which behaves quite a bit like AppleTalk. (It probably won't catch on in > many environments which have a DHCP server, but it may catch on in other > environments). And how about Microsoft's automatic addressing. (Of course we > normally only see that when DHCP has failed, but still Microsoft thought > enough of the AppleTalk mechanism to steal it. ;-) > > And how about service location? TCP/IP barely even has service location, > still to this day. Don't you think it's a little silly that we have to find > resources with a search engine? There is hope with new protocols like the > Service Location Protocol (SLP) and some of the new multicast protocols that > let you find multicasting servers. Note that the SLP RFC credits AppleTalk. > > Maybe some "expert" told you that AppleTalk is "chatty." For one thing, any > protocol that tries to automate service location, speed up routing protocol > convergence, and quickly workaround connection disconnects is going to be a > bit chatty. It's a tradeoff. AppleTalk is no more chatty than Windows > Networking or IPX. And you want chatty, how about all those keepalives and > hellos that Cisco routers send? > > Maybe that same "expert" told you to avoid AppleTalk because it broadcasts > too much. That's a myth. It uses multicasts, for one thing, which means a > decent NIC driver that doesn't do AppleTalk shouldn't bother the host. > > The descriptions you see about Chooser behavior are mostly nonsense. The > Chooser doesn't send broadcasts. It sends broadcast requests which are > forwarded (as unicasts) to each router in the zone. Those routers send a > multicast onto their networks in the zone. With good network design, this is > no problem. > > The Chooser doesn't send continually unless the user leaves it open with a > zone and service highlighted, which is almost never the case. Then it does > send rather often, but backs off after 45 seconds. The problem where it sent > the broadcast request packets (which are really unicasts) very often, > without backing off, was fixed in 1989. By then, it was too late. The > criticism of its behavior (even though already based on misinformation) was > entrenched in people's minds. > > Hey, I could go on and on, but I'll stop here, you'll be glad to see. ;-) > > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer > http://www.priscilla.com > > > > > > Dan > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On > > Behalf Of > > suaveguru > > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:53 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: CID Exam 3.0 [7:48839] > > > > hi anyone knows what I should emphasize for the CID > > exam ? Should I drop SNA , appletalk? What should I > > concentrate on > > > > > > thanks > > > > suaveguru > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > > http://autos.yahoo.com Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48854&t=48839 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam 3.0 [7:48839]
Priscilla, you know I'm writing on a Mac. Still, this reminds me of Eve's explanation of giving Adam the Apple! :-) Technically correct, of course. At 5:54 PM + 7/15/02, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: >Dan Penn wrote: >> >> Check out the outline on CCO. As far as I know SNA, IPX, and >> Applecrap, >> I mean I talk, are still there for CID. > >And, sir, why do you call it Applecrap? ;-) Seriously, can you provide some >technical reasons to disparage it? > >Perhaps it's still on Cisco tests because the philosophies behind AppleTalk >had a big impact on modern desktop protocol design. Also, many universities >and schools of all sorts still have large AppleTalk networks. You would be >surprised at how many still use it. It's also still used at scientific and >graphics arts companies. > >Many protocol designers admire the pioneering work that Apple did to make >networks plug and play. There's a new IETF working group called the Zero >Configuration Networking group that credits AppleTalk. See here for more info: > >http://www.zeroconf.org/ > >Note that IPv6 has serverless autonegotiation of network-layer addresses >which behaves quite a bit like AppleTalk. (It probably won't catch on in >many environments which have a DHCP server, but it may catch on in other >environments). And how about Microsoft's automatic addressing. (Of course we >normally only see that when DHCP has failed, but still Microsoft thought >enough of the AppleTalk mechanism to steal it. ;-) > >And how about service location? TCP/IP barely even has service location, >still to this day. Don't you think it's a little silly that we have to find >resources with a search engine? There is hope with new protocols like the >Service Location Protocol (SLP) and some of the new multicast protocols that >let you find multicasting servers. Note that the SLP RFC credits AppleTalk. > >Maybe some "expert" told you that AppleTalk is "chatty." For one thing, any >protocol that tries to automate service location, speed up routing protocol >convergence, and quickly workaround connection disconnects is going to be a >bit chatty. It's a tradeoff. AppleTalk is no more chatty than Windows >Networking or IPX. And you want chatty, how about all those keepalives and >hellos that Cisco routers send? > >Maybe that same "expert" told you to avoid AppleTalk because it broadcasts >too much. That's a myth. It uses multicasts, for one thing, which means a >decent NIC driver that doesn't do AppleTalk shouldn't bother the host. > >The descriptions you see about Chooser behavior are mostly nonsense. The >Chooser doesn't send broadcasts. It sends broadcast requests which are >forwarded (as unicasts) to each router in the zone. Those routers send a >multicast onto their networks in the zone. With good network design, this is >no problem. > >The Chooser doesn't send continually unless the user leaves it open with a >zone and service highlighted, which is almost never the case. Then it does >send rather often, but backs off after 45 seconds. The problem where it sent >the broadcast request packets (which are really unicasts) very often, >without backing off, was fixed in 1989. By then, it was too late. The >criticism of its behavior (even though already based on misinformation) was >entrenched in people's minds. > >Hey, I could go on and on, but I'll stop here, you'll be glad to see. ;-) > > > >Priscilla Oppenheimer >http://www.priscilla.com > > >> >> Dan >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On >> Behalf Of >> suaveguru >> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:53 AM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: CID Exam 3.0 [7:48839] >> >> hi anyone knows what I should emphasize for the CID >> exam ? Should I drop SNA , appletalk? What should I >> concentrate on >> >> >> thanks >> >> suaveguru >> >> __ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes >> http://autos.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48850&t=48839 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam 3.0 [7:48839]
Cisco has made changes to its CID objectives. The following is the updated link: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/current_ exams/640-025.html http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/current_ exams/640-025.html IPX, AppleTalk, SNA and Stratacom questions have been removed from the objectives. HTH, Bernard Omrani Author of Boson practice tests > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > Dan Penn > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 10:01 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: CID Exam 3.0 [7:48839] > > Check out the outline on CCO. As far as I know SNA, IPX, and Applecrap, > I mean I talk, are still there for CID. > > Dan > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > suaveguru > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:53 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: CID Exam 3.0 [7:48839] > > hi anyone knows what I should emphasize for the CID > exam ? Should I drop SNA , appletalk? What should I > concentrate on > > > thanks > > suaveguru > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48849&t=48839 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam 3.0 [7:48839]
>Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: >> >> Priscilla, you know I'm writing on a Mac. Still, this reminds >> me of >> Eve's explanation of giving Adam the Apple! :-) > >Or maybe giving Alan the Apple. Hee hee. Inside joke. So _that_ explains your attitude about the SNAke. > >I am a little sensitive when it comes to AppleTalk, having been intimately >involved in its development, so to speak. ;-) > >> > > Technically correct, of course. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48869&t=48839 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam 3.0 [7:48839]
Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: > > Priscilla, you know I'm writing on a Mac. Still, this reminds > me of > Eve's explanation of giving Adam the Apple! :-) Or maybe giving Alan the Apple. Hee hee. Inside joke. I am a little sensitive when it comes to AppleTalk, having been intimately involved in its development, so to speak. ;-) > > Technically correct, of course. > > > At 5:54 PM + 7/15/02, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: > >Dan Penn wrote: > >> > >> Check out the outline on CCO. As far as I know SNA, IPX, > and > >> Applecrap, > >> I mean I talk, are still there for CID. > > > >And, sir, why do you call it Applecrap? ;-) Seriously, can you > provide some > >technical reasons to disparage it? > > > >Perhaps it's still on Cisco tests because the philosophies > behind AppleTalk > >had a big impact on modern desktop protocol design. Also, many > universities > >and schools of all sorts still have large AppleTalk networks. > You would be > >surprised at how many still use it. It's also still used at > scientific and > >graphics arts companies. > > > >Many protocol designers admire the pioneering work that Apple > did to make > >networks plug and play. There's a new IETF working group > called the Zero > >Configuration Networking group that credits AppleTalk. See > here for more info: > > > >http://www.zeroconf.org/ > > > >Note that IPv6 has serverless autonegotiation of network-layer > addresses > >which behaves quite a bit like AppleTalk. (It probably won't > catch on in > >many environments which have a DHCP server, but it may catch > on in other > >environments). And how about Microsoft's automatic addressing. > (Of course we > >normally only see that when DHCP has failed, but still > Microsoft thought > >enough of the AppleTalk mechanism to steal it. ;-) > > > >And how about service location? TCP/IP barely even has service > location, > >still to this day. Don't you think it's a little silly that we > have to find > >resources with a search engine? There is hope with new > protocols like the > >Service Location Protocol (SLP) and some of the new multicast > protocols that > >let you find multicasting servers. Note that the SLP RFC > credits AppleTalk. > > > >Maybe some "expert" told you that AppleTalk is "chatty." For > one thing, any > >protocol that tries to automate service location, speed up > routing protocol > >convergence, and quickly workaround connection disconnects is > going to be a > >bit chatty. It's a tradeoff. AppleTalk is no more chatty than > Windows > >Networking or IPX. And you want chatty, how about all those > keepalives and > >hellos that Cisco routers send? > > > >Maybe that same "expert" told you to avoid AppleTalk because > it broadcasts > >too much. That's a myth. It uses multicasts, for one thing, > which means a > >decent NIC driver that doesn't do AppleTalk shouldn't bother > the host. > > > >The descriptions you see about Chooser behavior are mostly > nonsense. The > >Chooser doesn't send broadcasts. It sends broadcast requests > which are > >forwarded (as unicasts) to each router in the zone. Those > routers send a > >multicast onto their networks in the zone. With good network > design, this is > >no problem. > > > >The Chooser doesn't send continually unless the user leaves it > open with a > >zone and service highlighted, which is almost never the case. > Then it does > >send rather often, but backs off after 45 seconds. The problem > where it sent > >the broadcast request packets (which are really unicasts) very > often, > >without backing off, was fixed in 1989. By then, it was too > late. The > >criticism of its behavior (even though already based on > misinformation) was > >entrenched in people's minds. > > > >Hey, I could go on and on, but I'll stop here, you'll be glad > to see. ;-) > > > > > > > >Priscilla Oppenheimer > >http://www.priscilla.com > > > > > >> > >> Dan > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > On > >> Behalf Of > >> suaveguru > >> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:53 AM > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: CID Exam 3.0 [7:48839] > >> > >> hi anyone knows what I should emphasize for the CID > >> exam ? Should I drop SNA , appletalk? What should I > >> concentrate on > >> > >> > >> thanks > >> > >> suaveguru > >> > >> __ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > >> http://autos.yahoo.com > > Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48865&t=48839 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam 3.0 [7:48839]
Dan Penn wrote: > > Check out the outline on CCO. As far as I know SNA, IPX, and > Applecrap, > I mean I talk, are still there for CID. And, sir, why do you call it Applecrap? ;-) Seriously, can you provide some technical reasons to disparage it? Perhaps it's still on Cisco tests because the philosophies behind AppleTalk had a big impact on modern desktop protocol design. Also, many universities and schools of all sorts still have large AppleTalk networks. You would be surprised at how many still use it. It's also still used at scientific and graphics arts companies. Many protocol designers admire the pioneering work that Apple did to make networks plug and play. There's a new IETF working group called the Zero Configuration Networking group that credits AppleTalk. See here for more info: http://www.zeroconf.org/ Note that IPv6 has serverless autonegotiation of network-layer addresses which behaves quite a bit like AppleTalk. (It probably won't catch on in many environments which have a DHCP server, but it may catch on in other environments). And how about Microsoft's automatic addressing. (Of course we normally only see that when DHCP has failed, but still Microsoft thought enough of the AppleTalk mechanism to steal it. ;-) And how about service location? TCP/IP barely even has service location, still to this day. Don't you think it's a little silly that we have to find resources with a search engine? There is hope with new protocols like the Service Location Protocol (SLP) and some of the new multicast protocols that let you find multicasting servers. Note that the SLP RFC credits AppleTalk. Maybe some "expert" told you that AppleTalk is "chatty." For one thing, any protocol that tries to automate service location, speed up routing protocol convergence, and quickly workaround connection disconnects is going to be a bit chatty. It's a tradeoff. AppleTalk is no more chatty than Windows Networking or IPX. And you want chatty, how about all those keepalives and hellos that Cisco routers send? Maybe that same "expert" told you to avoid AppleTalk because it broadcasts too much. That's a myth. It uses multicasts, for one thing, which means a decent NIC driver that doesn't do AppleTalk shouldn't bother the host. The descriptions you see about Chooser behavior are mostly nonsense. The Chooser doesn't send broadcasts. It sends broadcast requests which are forwarded (as unicasts) to each router in the zone. Those routers send a multicast onto their networks in the zone. With good network design, this is no problem. The Chooser doesn't send continually unless the user leaves it open with a zone and service highlighted, which is almost never the case. Then it does send rather often, but backs off after 45 seconds. The problem where it sent the broadcast request packets (which are really unicasts) very often, without backing off, was fixed in 1989. By then, it was too late. The criticism of its behavior (even though already based on misinformation) was entrenched in people's minds. Hey, I could go on and on, but I'll stop here, you'll be glad to see. ;-) Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com > > Dan > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On > Behalf Of > suaveguru > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:53 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: CID Exam 3.0 [7:48839] > > hi anyone knows what I should emphasize for the CID > exam ? Should I drop SNA , appletalk? What should I > concentrate on > > > thanks > > suaveguru > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > > Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48848&t=48839 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam 3.0 [7:48839]
Check out the outline on CCO. As far as I know SNA, IPX, and Applecrap, I mean I talk, are still there for CID. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of suaveguru Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 9:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CID Exam 3.0 [7:48839] hi anyone knows what I should emphasize for the CID exam ? Should I drop SNA , appletalk? What should I concentrate on thanks suaveguru __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48846&t=48839 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669]
I took the new exam about 6 weeks ago and didn't see any SNA questions and it is not listed on the exam objectives page. -Original Message- From: Bernard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Andy Barkl' Subject: RE: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669] Although SNA is said to have been removed, the feedbacks that I receive daily, tell me otherwise. There are indeed SNA questions in the new CID exam. I am sure these are the questions that Cisco has failed to remove from the database completely, but they show up in the real life exams anyway, and you should be aware of that. You may certainly bypass AppleTalk, IPX and Stratacom questions when practicing for the CID exam, but please do not discount SNA questions yet. Here is the URL to the new CID objectives: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/current_ exams/640-025.html Please watch the wrap. Bernard Omrani Author of Boson CID#1 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > Andy Barkl > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 5:52 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669] > > There is no SNA or Appletalk on the new CID exam. Cisco wouldn't lie to > you. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40494&t=39669 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669]
Although SNA is said to have been removed, the feedbacks that I receive daily, tell me otherwise. There are indeed SNA questions in the new CID exam. I am sure these are the questions that Cisco has failed to remove from the database completely, but they show up in the real life exams anyway, and you should be aware of that. You may certainly bypass AppleTalk, IPX and Stratacom questions when practicing for the CID exam, but please do not discount SNA questions yet. Here is the URL to the new CID objectives: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/current_ exams/640-025.html Please watch the wrap. Bernard Omrani Author of Boson CID#1 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > Andy Barkl > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 5:52 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669] > > There is no SNA or Appletalk on the new CID exam. Cisco wouldn't lie to > you. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40492&t=39669 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669]
There is no SNA or Appletalk on the new CID exam. Cisco wouldn't lie to you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of STRAND Scott Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 6:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669] Thanks for all the book suggestions. (see my original post). I do already have TDND as well as the CID exam Cert book. Now for the next question: I noticed in the exam topics for CID that there is no longer a mention of SNA and appletalk. Anyone who has taken the test recently, can you verify this? Thanks, Scott CCNP, CCDA Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40471&t=39669 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi I took exam on 04/01 (this Monday). No questions were about SNA, AT. But i could find some questions were from DeskTop protocol design and lots from WAN. I took the same exam on 01/02, that time lots of questions from SNA. Recently exam duration is about 90 Minutes (last time 120 Minutes - 100 questions) 75 questions. Hope above helps. All the best. Sankaran STRAND Scott wrote: > Thanks for all the book suggestions. (see my original post). I do already > have TDND as well as the CID exam Cert book. Now for the > next question: > I noticed in the exam topics for CID that there is no longer a mention of > SNA and appletalk. Anyone who has taken the test recently, > can you verify this? > > Thanks, > Scott > CCNP, CCDA > > Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: > > > At 10:07 AM 4/2/02, Cebuano wrote: > > >Priscilla, > > >Maybe it's time to switch publishers like Howard's. Unless your upcoming > > >book prevents Cisco from doing what they did to TDND's contract. > > >BTW - when is the next book due for release? > > > > Hey, you guys keep giving me a chance to get in some free advertising! ;-) > > > > My next book is about troubleshooting. It is written (with Joseph > > Bardwell's help), but the publisher (Wiley) is still doing the production. > > Stay tuned. Thanks for asking. There's more info here: > > > > http://www.troubleshootingnetworks.com/ > > > > Hopefully the date that Amazon is reporting (July) is worst case! > > > > By the way, I approve of Robert Padjen's book on CID also. I wrote a good > > review of it for Amazon. My review is sincere and I'm not at all > > compensated for it (in fact, sort of the opposite! ;-) > > > > Priscilla > > > > >Elmer > > > > > >- Original Message - > > >From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" > > >To: > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 2:12 AM > > >Subject: RE: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669] > > > > > > > > > > At 10:03 PM 4/1/02, Robert Padjen wrote: > > > > >Top Down is a great book for DCN, but it's not really > > > > >for the CID. I'll go out on a limb and suggest mine ( > > > > >;) ). Sybex CID Study Guide. > > > > > > > > I'm sure you'll get flamed for advertising your own book, but I'm going > > to > > > > give you a hard time also for lack of accuracy. ;-) > > > > > > > > Top-Down Network Design is not a certification book, but it is based on > > >the > > > > work I did on both the Designing Cisco Networks (DCN) and the Cisco > > > > Internetwork Design (CID) training classes when I worked for Cisco. > > > > > > > > I have heard that Cisco has made CID match my Top-Down Network Design > > book > > > > even more closely than before. I know for a fact that the description > of > > > > the CID course is taken from my Top-Down Network Design book. I did a > > > > double-take when I read the following text from the description of the > > CID > > > > class here: > > > > > > > >http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/front.x/wwtraining/CELC/index.cgi?action=Cours > > >eDesc&COURSE_ID=321 > > > > > > > > "Good internetwork design recognizes a customer's requirements embody > > many > > > > business and technical goals, including requirements for availability, > > > > scalability, affordability, security, and manageability. Difficult > > > > internetwork design choices and tradeoffs must be made when designing > the > > > > internetwork before any physical devices or media are selected. > > > > > > > > CID covers typical internetwork design business and technical goals and > > > > constraints. CID details the top-down design process and the importance > > of > > > > using systematic methods for internetwork design. Using systematic > > methods > > > > helps you, the internetwork designer, to keep pace with changing > > > > technologies and customer requirements." > > > > > > > > I said to myself, "Hey I wrote that. Oh yeah, I should have had a > lawyer > > > > look at my book contract. Cisco can use anything I wrote in the book. > > > > Bummer. or maybe not??" ;-] > > > > > > > > Priscilla > > > > > > > > >To save a buck, if you > > > > >feel comfortable with the materia
Re: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669]
Thanks for all the book suggestions. (see my original post). I do already have TDND as well as the CID exam Cert book. Now for the next question: I noticed in the exam topics for CID that there is no longer a mention of SNA and appletalk. Anyone who has taken the test recently, can you verify this? Thanks, Scott CCNP, CCDA Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: > At 10:07 AM 4/2/02, Cebuano wrote: > >Priscilla, > >Maybe it's time to switch publishers like Howard's. Unless your upcoming > >book prevents Cisco from doing what they did to TDND's contract. > >BTW - when is the next book due for release? > > Hey, you guys keep giving me a chance to get in some free advertising! ;-) > > My next book is about troubleshooting. It is written (with Joseph > Bardwell's help), but the publisher (Wiley) is still doing the production. > Stay tuned. Thanks for asking. There's more info here: > > http://www.troubleshootingnetworks.com/ > > Hopefully the date that Amazon is reporting (July) is worst case! > > By the way, I approve of Robert Padjen's book on CID also. I wrote a good > review of it for Amazon. My review is sincere and I'm not at all > compensated for it (in fact, sort of the opposite! ;-) > > Priscilla > > >Elmer > > > >----- Original Message - > >From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 2:12 AM > >Subject: RE: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669] > > > > > > > At 10:03 PM 4/1/02, Robert Padjen wrote: > > > >Top Down is a great book for DCN, but it's not really > > > >for the CID. I'll go out on a limb and suggest mine ( > > > >;) ). Sybex CID Study Guide. > > > > > > I'm sure you'll get flamed for advertising your own book, but I'm going > to > > > give you a hard time also for lack of accuracy. ;-) > > > > > > Top-Down Network Design is not a certification book, but it is based on > >the > > > work I did on both the Designing Cisco Networks (DCN) and the Cisco > > > Internetwork Design (CID) training classes when I worked for Cisco. > > > > > > I have heard that Cisco has made CID match my Top-Down Network Design > book > > > even more closely than before. I know for a fact that the description of > > > the CID course is taken from my Top-Down Network Design book. I did a > > > double-take when I read the following text from the description of the > CID > > > class here: > > > > >http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/front.x/wwtraining/CELC/index.cgi?action=Cours > >eDesc&COURSE_ID=321 > > > > > > "Good internetwork design recognizes a customer's requirements embody > many > > > business and technical goals, including requirements for availability, > > > scalability, affordability, security, and manageability. Difficult > > > internetwork design choices and tradeoffs must be made when designing the > > > internetwork before any physical devices or media are selected. > > > > > > CID covers typical internetwork design business and technical goals and > > > constraints. CID details the top-down design process and the importance > of > > > using systematic methods for internetwork design. Using systematic > methods > > > helps you, the internetwork designer, to keep pace with changing > > > technologies and customer requirements." > > > > > > I said to myself, "Hey I wrote that. Oh yeah, I should have had a lawyer > > > look at my book contract. Cisco can use anything I wrote in the book. > > > Bummer. or maybe not??" ;-] > > > > > > Priscilla > > > > > > >To save a buck, if you > > > >feel comfortable with the material, you may want to > > > >forgo the big book and use the Exam Notes (used books > > > >are out there too). The new test might focus on > > > >multicast more than the books reflect, and they may > > > >have less StrataCom and ATM, but its close enough. > > > >640-025 (the exam the book was written to) is still > > > >the current version. > > > > > > > >Good luck. > > > > > > > > > > > >--- Andy Barkl wrote: > > > > > The book is not that great. It has many errors and > > > > > omissions. > > > > > I recommend the Cisco Press Top-Down Network Design > > > > > book for the new CID > > > > > exam. > > > > >
Re: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669]
At 10:07 AM 4/2/02, Cebuano wrote: >Priscilla, >Maybe it's time to switch publishers like Howard's. Unless your upcoming >book prevents Cisco from doing what they did to TDND's contract. >BTW - when is the next book due for release? Hey, you guys keep giving me a chance to get in some free advertising! ;-) My next book is about troubleshooting. It is written (with Joseph Bardwell's help), but the publisher (Wiley) is still doing the production. Stay tuned. Thanks for asking. There's more info here: http://www.troubleshootingnetworks.com/ Hopefully the date that Amazon is reporting (July) is worst case! By the way, I approve of Robert Padjen's book on CID also. I wrote a good review of it for Amazon. My review is sincere and I'm not at all compensated for it (in fact, sort of the opposite! ;-) Priscilla >Elmer > >- Original Message - >From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 2:12 AM >Subject: RE: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669] > > > > At 10:03 PM 4/1/02, Robert Padjen wrote: > > >Top Down is a great book for DCN, but it's not really > > >for the CID. I'll go out on a limb and suggest mine ( > > >;) ). Sybex CID Study Guide. > > > > I'm sure you'll get flamed for advertising your own book, but I'm going to > > give you a hard time also for lack of accuracy. ;-) > > > > Top-Down Network Design is not a certification book, but it is based on >the > > work I did on both the Designing Cisco Networks (DCN) and the Cisco > > Internetwork Design (CID) training classes when I worked for Cisco. > > > > I have heard that Cisco has made CID match my Top-Down Network Design book > > even more closely than before. I know for a fact that the description of > > the CID course is taken from my Top-Down Network Design book. I did a > > double-take when I read the following text from the description of the CID > > class here: > > >http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/front.x/wwtraining/CELC/index.cgi?action=Cours >eDesc&COURSE_ID=321 > > > > "Good internetwork design recognizes a customer's requirements embody many > > business and technical goals, including requirements for availability, > > scalability, affordability, security, and manageability. Difficult > > internetwork design choices and tradeoffs must be made when designing the > > internetwork before any physical devices or media are selected. > > > > CID covers typical internetwork design business and technical goals and > > constraints. CID details the top-down design process and the importance of > > using systematic methods for internetwork design. Using systematic methods > > helps you, the internetwork designer, to keep pace with changing > > technologies and customer requirements." > > > > I said to myself, "Hey I wrote that. Oh yeah, I should have had a lawyer > > look at my book contract. Cisco can use anything I wrote in the book. > > Bummer. or maybe not??" ;-] > > > > Priscilla > > > > >To save a buck, if you > > >feel comfortable with the material, you may want to > > >forgo the big book and use the Exam Notes (used books > > >are out there too). The new test might focus on > > >multicast more than the books reflect, and they may > > >have less StrataCom and ATM, but its close enough. > > >640-025 (the exam the book was written to) is still > > >the current version. > > > > > >Good luck. > > > > > > > > >--- Andy Barkl wrote: > > > > The book is not that great. It has many errors and > > > > omissions. > > > > I recommend the Cisco Press Top-Down Network Design > > > > book for the new CID > > > > exam. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > > > > STRAND Scott > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:32 PM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669] > > > > > > > > Has anyone who has taken the CID exam used the Cisco > > > > CID Exam > > > > Certification > > > > Guide. (Michael Crane, Reggie Terell). I was wanting > > > > to > > > > get some opinions on this book, especially the > > > > practice test on the CD. > > > > I > > > > intend to use BOSON as well. > > > > > > > > Thanks, &g
RE: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669]
I have that book, it is great! Robert does an excellent job outlining the intricacies of the CID. I am taking soon, (probably in May after the CISSP). Thanks for the great book Robert! Regards, Will -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robert Padjen Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 9:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669] Top Down is a great book for DCN, but it's not really for the CID. I'll go out on a limb and suggest mine ( ;) ). Sybex CID Study Guide. To save a buck, if you feel comfortable with the material, you may want to forgo the big book and use the Exam Notes (used books are out there too). The new test might focus on multicast more than the books reflect, and they may have less StrataCom and ATM, but its close enough. 640-025 (the exam the book was written to) is still the current version. Good luck. --- Andy Barkl wrote: > The book is not that great. It has many errors and > omissions. > I recommend the Cisco Press Top-Down Network Design > book for the new CID > exam. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > STRAND Scott > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:32 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669] > > Has anyone who has taken the CID exam used the Cisco > CID Exam > Certification > Guide. (Michael Crane, Reggie Terell). I was wanting > to > get some opinions on this book, especially the > practice test on the CD. > I > intend to use BOSON as well. > > Thanks, > Scott > CCNP, CCDA > > [GroupStudy.com removed an attachment of type > application/x-pkcs7-signature > which had a name of smime.p7s] [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Robert Padjen __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40198&t=39669 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669]
Here is my list for the CID: DCN Padjen book Top Down -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Priscilla Oppenheimer Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 1:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669] At 10:03 PM 4/1/02, Robert Padjen wrote: >Top Down is a great book for DCN, but it's not really >for the CID. I'll go out on a limb and suggest mine ( >;) ). Sybex CID Study Guide. I'm sure you'll get flamed for advertising your own book, but I'm going to give you a hard time also for lack of accuracy. ;-) Top-Down Network Design is not a certification book, but it is based on the work I did on both the Designing Cisco Networks (DCN) and the Cisco Internetwork Design (CID) training classes when I worked for Cisco. I have heard that Cisco has made CID match my Top-Down Network Design book even more closely than before. I know for a fact that the description of the CID course is taken from my Top-Down Network Design book. I did a double-take when I read the following text from the description of the CID class here: http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/front.x/wwtraining/CELC/index.cgi?action=Cours eDesc&COURSE_ID=321 "Good internetwork design recognizes a customer's requirements embody many business and technical goals, including requirements for availability, scalability, affordability, security, and manageability. Difficult internetwork design choices and tradeoffs must be made when designing the internetwork before any physical devices or media are selected. CID covers typical internetwork design business and technical goals and constraints. CID details the top-down design process and the importance of using systematic methods for internetwork design. Using systematic methods helps you, the internetwork designer, to keep pace with changing technologies and customer requirements." I said to myself, "Hey I wrote that. Oh yeah, I should have had a lawyer look at my book contract. Cisco can use anything I wrote in the book. Bummer. or maybe not??" ;-] Priscilla >To save a buck, if you >feel comfortable with the material, you may want to >forgo the big book and use the Exam Notes (used books >are out there too). The new test might focus on >multicast more than the books reflect, and they may >have less StrataCom and ATM, but its close enough. >640-025 (the exam the book was written to) is still >the current version. > >Good luck. > > >--- Andy Barkl wrote: > > The book is not that great. It has many errors and > > omissions. > > I recommend the Cisco Press Top-Down Network Design > > book for the new CID > > exam. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > > STRAND Scott > > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:32 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669] > > > > Has anyone who has taken the CID exam used the Cisco > > CID Exam > > Certification > > Guide. (Michael Crane, Reggie Terell). I was wanting > > to > > get some opinions on this book, especially the > > practice test on the CD. > > I > > intend to use BOSON as well. > > > > Thanks, > > Scott > > CCNP, CCDA > > > > [GroupStudy.com removed an attachment of type > > application/x-pkcs7-signature > > which had a name of smime.p7s] >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >= >Robert Padjen > >__ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax >http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40199&t=39669 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669]
Priscilla, Maybe it's time to switch publishers like Howard's. Unless your upcoming book prevents Cisco from doing what they did to TDND's contract. BTW - when is the next book due for release? Elmer - Original Message - From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 2:12 AM Subject: RE: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669] > At 10:03 PM 4/1/02, Robert Padjen wrote: > >Top Down is a great book for DCN, but it's not really > >for the CID. I'll go out on a limb and suggest mine ( > >;) ). Sybex CID Study Guide. > > I'm sure you'll get flamed for advertising your own book, but I'm going to > give you a hard time also for lack of accuracy. ;-) > > Top-Down Network Design is not a certification book, but it is based on the > work I did on both the Designing Cisco Networks (DCN) and the Cisco > Internetwork Design (CID) training classes when I worked for Cisco. > > I have heard that Cisco has made CID match my Top-Down Network Design book > even more closely than before. I know for a fact that the description of > the CID course is taken from my Top-Down Network Design book. I did a > double-take when I read the following text from the description of the CID > class here: > http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/front.x/wwtraining/CELC/index.cgi?action=Cours eDesc&COURSE_ID=321 > > "Good internetwork design recognizes a customer's requirements embody many > business and technical goals, including requirements for availability, > scalability, affordability, security, and manageability. Difficult > internetwork design choices and tradeoffs must be made when designing the > internetwork before any physical devices or media are selected. > > CID covers typical internetwork design business and technical goals and > constraints. CID details the top-down design process and the importance of > using systematic methods for internetwork design. Using systematic methods > helps you, the internetwork designer, to keep pace with changing > technologies and customer requirements." > > I said to myself, "Hey I wrote that. Oh yeah, I should have had a lawyer > look at my book contract. Cisco can use anything I wrote in the book. > Bummer. or maybe not??" ;-] > > Priscilla > > >To save a buck, if you > >feel comfortable with the material, you may want to > >forgo the big book and use the Exam Notes (used books > >are out there too). The new test might focus on > >multicast more than the books reflect, and they may > >have less StrataCom and ATM, but its close enough. > >640-025 (the exam the book was written to) is still > >the current version. > > > >Good luck. > > > > > >--- Andy Barkl wrote: > > > The book is not that great. It has many errors and > > > omissions. > > > I recommend the Cisco Press Top-Down Network Design > > > book for the new CID > > > exam. > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > > > STRAND Scott > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:32 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669] > > > > > > Has anyone who has taken the CID exam used the Cisco > > > CID Exam > > > Certification > > > Guide. (Michael Crane, Reggie Terell). I was wanting > > > to > > > get some opinions on this book, especially the > > > practice test on the CD. > > > I > > > intend to use BOSON as well. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Scott > > > CCNP, CCDA > > > > > > [GroupStudy.com removed an attachment of type > > > application/x-pkcs7-signature > > > which had a name of smime.p7s] > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >= > >Robert Padjen > > > >__ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > >http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > Priscilla Oppenheimer > http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40192&t=39669 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669]
At 10:03 PM 4/1/02, Robert Padjen wrote: >Top Down is a great book for DCN, but it's not really >for the CID. I'll go out on a limb and suggest mine ( >;) ). Sybex CID Study Guide. I'm sure you'll get flamed for advertising your own book, but I'm going to give you a hard time also for lack of accuracy. ;-) Top-Down Network Design is not a certification book, but it is based on the work I did on both the Designing Cisco Networks (DCN) and the Cisco Internetwork Design (CID) training classes when I worked for Cisco. I have heard that Cisco has made CID match my Top-Down Network Design book even more closely than before. I know for a fact that the description of the CID course is taken from my Top-Down Network Design book. I did a double-take when I read the following text from the description of the CID class here: http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/front.x/wwtraining/CELC/index.cgi?action=CourseDesc&COURSE_ID=321 "Good internetwork design recognizes a customer's requirements embody many business and technical goals, including requirements for availability, scalability, affordability, security, and manageability. Difficult internetwork design choices and tradeoffs must be made when designing the internetwork before any physical devices or media are selected. CID covers typical internetwork design business and technical goals and constraints. CID details the top-down design process and the importance of using systematic methods for internetwork design. Using systematic methods helps you, the internetwork designer, to keep pace with changing technologies and customer requirements." I said to myself, "Hey I wrote that. Oh yeah, I should have had a lawyer look at my book contract. Cisco can use anything I wrote in the book. Bummer. or maybe not??" ;-] Priscilla >To save a buck, if you >feel comfortable with the material, you may want to >forgo the big book and use the Exam Notes (used books >are out there too). The new test might focus on >multicast more than the books reflect, and they may >have less StrataCom and ATM, but its close enough. >640-025 (the exam the book was written to) is still >the current version. > >Good luck. > > >--- Andy Barkl wrote: > > The book is not that great. It has many errors and > > omissions. > > I recommend the Cisco Press Top-Down Network Design > > book for the new CID > > exam. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > > STRAND Scott > > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:32 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669] > > > > Has anyone who has taken the CID exam used the Cisco > > CID Exam > > Certification > > Guide. (Michael Crane, Reggie Terell). I was wanting > > to > > get some opinions on this book, especially the > > practice test on the CD. > > I > > intend to use BOSON as well. > > > > Thanks, > > Scott > > CCNP, CCDA > > > > [GroupStudy.com removed an attachment of type > > application/x-pkcs7-signature > > which had a name of smime.p7s] >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >= >Robert Padjen > >__ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax >http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40150&t=39669 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669]
Top Down is a great book for DCN, but it's not really for the CID. I'll go out on a limb and suggest mine ( ;) ). Sybex CID Study Guide. To save a buck, if you feel comfortable with the material, you may want to forgo the big book and use the Exam Notes (used books are out there too). The new test might focus on multicast more than the books reflect, and they may have less StrataCom and ATM, but its close enough. 640-025 (the exam the book was written to) is still the current version. Good luck. --- Andy Barkl wrote: > The book is not that great. It has many errors and > omissions. > I recommend the Cisco Press Top-Down Network Design > book for the new CID > exam. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > STRAND Scott > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:32 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669] > > Has anyone who has taken the CID exam used the Cisco > CID Exam > Certification > Guide. (Michael Crane, Reggie Terell). I was wanting > to > get some opinions on this book, especially the > practice test on the CD. > I > intend to use BOSON as well. > > Thanks, > Scott > CCNP, CCDA > > [GroupStudy.com removed an attachment of type > application/x-pkcs7-signature > which had a name of smime.p7s] [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Robert Padjen __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=40133&t=39669 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669]
The book is not that great. It has many errors and omissions. I recommend the Cisco Press Top-Down Network Design book for the new CID exam. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of STRAND Scott Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 12:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CID Exam Cert Book [7:39669] Has anyone who has taken the CID exam used the Cisco CID Exam Certification Guide. (Michael Crane, Reggie Terell). I was wanting to get some opinions on this book, especially the practice test on the CD. I intend to use BOSON as well. Thanks, Scott CCNP, CCDA [GroupStudy.com removed an attachment of type application/x-pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=39685&t=39669 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID exam has changed [7:37074]
I also took it last week, after 2/25/02, and noticed no changes from the objective list prior to the date that you have stated. While there are some changes on the objectives listed on the website, now, ATM & ATM LANE are still mentioned as objective categorys. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=37140&t=37074 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID exam has changed [7:37074]
SNA is not listed in the objectives of the web site and it was gone as of 2/25/02. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Carl Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 11:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CID exam has changed [7:37074] I took this test last Friday and SNA was still there. Jason Forrester CCIE #8748 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=37104&t=37074 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID exam has changed [7:37074]
I took this test last Friday and SNA was still there. Jason Forrester CCIE #8748 Andy Barkl wrote: >The CID exam was recently updated. The new objectives are on the web >site. >The SNA and extensive ATM coverage is gone. Also Appletalk, IPX, DLSW, >are gone as well. > >The exam is 90 minutes long with 75 questions and the passing score is >755. > >The Cisco Press CID study guide is OK but the CID exam guide is >terrible. They both have extensive SNA coverage, but like I said, is not >part of the exam any longer. > >I highly recommend the Top-Down Network Design book as the new CID >guide. Besides being a great book, it has all that you'll need for the >CID exam provided you are a CCNP. > >In my opinion, the new CID exam is not anymore difficult than the CCNP >exams. > >Good luck to you. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=37099&t=37074 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID exam has changed [7:37074]
Its about time they revised and updated that terrible exam!! Thanks for letting us know! Randy Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=37095&t=37074 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID exam has changed [7:37074]
WOO WHOOO I am taking in it two weeks, I hate SNA!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andy Barkl Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CID exam has changed [7:37074] The CID exam was recently updated. The new objectives are on the web site. The SNA and extensive ATM coverage is gone. Also Appletalk, IPX, DLSW, are gone as well. The exam is 90 minutes long with 75 questions and the passing score is 755. The Cisco Press CID study guide is OK but the CID exam guide is terrible. They both have extensive SNA coverage, but like I said, is not part of the exam any longer. I highly recommend the Top-Down Network Design book as the new CID guide. Besides being a great book, it has all that you'll need for the CID exam provided you are a CCNP. In my opinion, the new CID exam is not anymore difficult than the CCNP exams. Good luck to you. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=37077&t=37074 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam [7:35685]
As Cisco says, 640-025 is the current CID exam. Good luck pal. Dvass Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=35728&t=35685 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID exam [7:28668]
Hi Michalis, I took my CID 3 about a month ago and the test exam number was 640-025. "CID 3.0 #640-025 Nov 9 2001 P" Scott -Original Message- From: Federico Diaz Herrera [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 6:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CID exam [7:28668] Support 640-506, replace CIT regards -Original Message- From: Michalis Palis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Lunes, 10 de Diciembre de 2001 07:48 a.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CID exam [7:28668] Hello all I am just about to take the CID exam but i dont know whixh exam to take. Cisco in the web side gives the CID 3 as the 640-025 exam, but on the tracking system 640-025 is not valid and is replaced by the 640-520. I went to my local exam center and they could not locate the 640-520 exam and they said that the only valid wxam is the 640-025 which is not valid according to the tracking system. Based on the above I dont know what to do. In case i take the 640-025, will be valid or i will need to take the 640-520? Any feedback on the above will be appreciated. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=28701&t=28668 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID exam [7:28668]
The 640-025 is still a valid exam towards your CCDP. The 640-520 is supposed to replace the 640-025, however, I'm not sure when. The 641-520 beta was quite a while ago but I don't think Cisco liked the results, which is probably why it's taking so long to put out the replacement 640-520 exam. They're probably re-writing it again. So, take the 640-025 exam because it is still valid towards your CCDP and because the 640-520 is still not available. Plus, this exam is a beast and it's better that you take the 640-025 because there are currently good study guides available for it. If you wait for the 640-520, there will be new material covered and there won't be any decent study guides available for a while. Shawn -Original Message- From: Michalis Palis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CID exam [7:28668] Hello all I am just about to take the CID exam but i dont know whixh exam to take. Cisco in the web side gives the CID 3 as the 640-025 exam, but on the tracking system 640-025 is not valid and is replaced by the 640-520. I went to my local exam center and they could not locate the 640-520 exam and they said that the only valid wxam is the 640-025 which is not valid according to the tracking system. Based on the above I dont know what to do. In case i take the 640-025, will be valid or i will need to take the 640-520? Any feedback on the above will be appreciated. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=28691&t=28668 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID exam [7:28668]
Support 640-506, replace CIT regards -Original Message- From: Michalis Palis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Lunes, 10 de Diciembre de 2001 07:48 a.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CID exam [7:28668] Hello all I am just about to take the CID exam but i dont know whixh exam to take. Cisco in the web side gives the CID 3 as the 640-025 exam, but on the tracking system 640-025 is not valid and is replaced by the 640-520. I went to my local exam center and they could not locate the 640-520 exam and they said that the only valid wxam is the 640-025 which is not valid according to the tracking system. Based on the above I dont know what to do. In case i take the 640-025, will be valid or i will need to take the 640-520? Any feedback on the above will be appreciated. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=28678&t=28668 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam on Wednesday 11/21/01 [7:26486]
Buy and read the Cisco Press CID Book. Boson is going to help you answer about 2 questions out of 100 right. Jim Walker Master Network Engineer Partners HealthCare System, Inc. Information Systems / Technical Services & Operations Tel. (617) 732-8803 Fax (617) 264-5130 This e-mail message and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me immediately by replying to this message and please destroy all copies of this message and attachments. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Darren Crawford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 11:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CID Exam on Wednesday 11/21/01 [7:26486] Hi all, I'm taking the CID exam next Wednesday. I decided to pickup one of the Boson practice exams for this test. Does anyone have suggestions on areas to focus my studying on or other tools to use? TIA Darren x$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$x$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx Lucent Technologies NetworkCare Professional Services http//www.lucent.com/netcare/ Darren S. Crawford - CCNP, CCDA, CCIE Written Northwest Region - Sacramento Office Voicemail (916) 859-5200 x310 Pager (800) 467-1467 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] x$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$x$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx "You always have time for things you put first" - Tucker Resources Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=26552&t=26486 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam on Wednesday 11/21/01 [7:26486]
Darren, I have to say the CID is by the hardest Cisco test I have taken to date. Boson is a great choice for a practice exam. Some areas to focus on are x.25, AppleTalk, split horizon, SNA, and IOS versions of released features. I can't get into more detail, but I hope this helps. Scott Nawalaniec Network Administrator CCNP, CCDP, CCNA, CCDA, CNA, MCP, Network+ -Original Message- From: Stull, Cory [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 9:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CID Exam on Wednesday 11/21/01 [7:26486] Darren, I personally took the CID beta a while ago and I'm not sure if they made it into the new exam.. I personally thought the CID beta was harder than the CCIE written and just as encompassing. Nowhere near as bad on rif type stuff though. Cory -Original Message- From: Darren Crawford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 10:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CID Exam on Wednesday 11/21/01 [7:26486] Hi all, I'm taking the CID exam next Wednesday. I decided to pickup one of the Boson practice exams for this test. Does anyone have suggestions on areas to focus my studying on or other tools to use? TIA Darren x$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$x$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx Lucent Technologies NetworkCare Professional Services http//www.lucent.com/netcare/ Darren S. Crawford - CCNP, CCDA, CCIE Written Northwest Region - Sacramento Office Voicemail (916) 859-5200 x310 Pager (800) 467-1467 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] x$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$x$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx "You always have time for things you put first" - Tucker Resources Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=26535&t=26486 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam on Wednesday 11/21/01 [7:26486]
Darren, I personally took the CID beta a while ago and I'm not sure if they made it into the new exam.. I personally thought the CID beta was harder than the CCIE written and just as encompassing. Nowhere near as bad on rif type stuff though. Cory -Original Message- From: Darren Crawford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 10:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CID Exam on Wednesday 11/21/01 [7:26486] Hi all, I'm taking the CID exam next Wednesday. I decided to pickup one of the Boson practice exams for this test. Does anyone have suggestions on areas to focus my studying on or other tools to use? TIA Darren x$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$x$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx Lucent Technologies NetworkCare Professional Services http//www.lucent.com/netcare/ Darren S. Crawford - CCNP, CCDA, CCIE Written Northwest Region - Sacramento Office Voicemail (916) 859-5200 x310 Pager (800) 467-1467 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] x$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$x$:0`0:$xx$:0`0:$xx "You always have time for things you put first" - Tucker Resources Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=26504&t=26486 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID exam help required [7:24513]
I just searched cisco on those two key words (sna / stratacom) and found pages of info for you to study. good luck. ""Rayhan Uddin"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi All, > > I need help for the CID exam, I'm going for CID this week and have no idea > from where to study Stratacom products and SNA topics.. Please help me and > guide me through the exam... or mail me if you have any good stuff.. I will > really appreciate.. > > My e-mail is [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Thanks in advance.. > > kingy Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=24516&t=24513 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam!!!--- - - Stratacom Switches [7:18476]
>>for now Cisco only > wants you to know what they are and some general > stuff about it. Not true. Check this web siteand follow the links. It has more than what u need. http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/74/topissues/wan_sw/top_issues_wansw.shtml VB --- Paul Jin wrote: > Robert Padjen wrote: > > > > Yes, my CID text does address the StrataCom, > however, > > I recommend that readers augment this material > with > > CCO. It appears that the test has altered a few > > questions since the last publication and it would > be > > easiest to bolster the Cisco material as opposed > to > > try and keep up with the errata for each change. > > Specifically, I would suggest that readers pay > > attention to the type and quanity of ports > available > > on the platforms - although these questions seem > silly > > as one can quickly go to CCO and look it up. ;) > > > > > > > > Yeah, I am not sure exactly how much is covered in > the exam ,but Robert's > book has 3 pgs on stratacoms and cisco press CID has > 2 paragraphs... Not > too sure how much stratacom questions are on the > exam since Cisco Press has > decided to print out only 2 paragraph worth... > > Stratacoms are complex equipment so I am assuming > that for now Cisco only > wants you to know what they are and some general > stuff about it. > > I plan on taking it at the end of the month or early > next month so I can > talk more about it then. > > Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=20075&t=18476 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID Exam!!!--- - - Stratacom Switches [7:18476]
Simple pre-sales level stuff on 'stratacom' is all I remember having to know. Number of slots, backplane, etc. You will do better in your search on CCO if you search 'wan switching' instead of stratacom. As usual, pay special attention to anything that has been EOL for a couple of years now ;-) ""Mr. Oletu Hosea Godswill, CCNA"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi group, > > Am bill to write my CID exam in 4 days time, am using > the cisco press book. However, the book did not give > stratacom switches any treament except for a few lines > and they test this area heavyly I learnt in the exam. > I have done a lot of searches even in CCO but could > not locate any white paper on this subject. > > Please, help with a link or URL where I can get a > white paper on this switch. The URL provided in the > cisco press book did not help issues and on CCO, the > only thing I saw was how Cisco aquire stratacom in > 1996, I wonder whether they will ask one that in the > exam. Any link will help, please. > > Also feed me on the last minute check-list on the CID > exam. > > Regards. > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger > http://im.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=18533&t=18476 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID Exam!!!--- - - Stratacom Switches [7:18476]
Here's a link for stuff that I used when I took the exam. It covered all of the stuff I ran into on the exam. http://cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/wanbu/8_5/switch/sys/sysmpt01.htm As an alternative, Chapter 9 of Cisco WAN Quick Start (ISBN 157870104X) summarizes all of that info in a more readable format. This book is also good for information on ATM, Frame-Relay, and some info on digital voice. HTH, Karen *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 9/4/2001 at 4:28 PM Mr. Oletu Hosea Godswill, CCNA wrote: >Hi group, > >Am bill to write my CID exam in 4 days time, am using >the cisco press book. However, the book did not give >stratacom switches any treament except for a few lines >and they test this area heavyly I learnt in the exam. >I have done a lot of searches even in CCO but could >not locate any white paper on this subject. > >Please, help with a link or URL where I can get a >white paper on this switch. The URL provided in the >cisco press book did not help issues and on CCO, the >only thing I saw was how Cisco aquire stratacom in >1996, I wonder whether they will ask one that in the >exam. Any link will help, please. > >Also feed me on the last minute check-list on the CID >exam. > >Regards. > >__ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger >http://im.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=18531&t=18476 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam!!!--- - - Stratacom Switches [7:18476]
Robert Padjen wrote: > > Yes, my CID text does address the StrataCom, however, > I recommend that readers augment this material with > CCO. It appears that the test has altered a few > questions since the last publication and it would be > easiest to bolster the Cisco material as opposed to > try and keep up with the errata for each change. > Specifically, I would suggest that readers pay > attention to the type and quanity of ports available > on the platforms - although these questions seem silly > as one can quickly go to CCO and look it up. ;) > > > Yeah, I am not sure exactly how much is covered in the exam ,but Robert's book has 3 pgs on stratacoms and cisco press CID has 2 paragraphs... Not too sure how much stratacom questions are on the exam since Cisco Press has decided to print out only 2 paragraph worth... Stratacoms are complex equipment so I am assuming that for now Cisco only wants you to know what they are and some general stuff about it. I plan on taking it at the end of the month or early next month so I can talk more about it then. Paul Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=18527&t=18476 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam!!!--- - - Stratacom Switches [7:18476]
btw, this is a whitepaper on the BPX http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/si/bp8600/tech/bpx86_wp.htm Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=18528&t=18476 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam!!!--- - - Stratacom Switches [7:18476]
Yes, my CID text does address the StrataCom, however, I recommend that readers augment this material with CCO. It appears that the test has altered a few questions since the last publication and it would be easiest to bolster the Cisco material as opposed to try and keep up with the errata for each change. Specifically, I would suggest that readers pay attention to the type and quanity of ports available on the platforms - although these questions seem silly as one can quickly go to CCO and look it up. ;) --- Daniel Cotts wrote: > I have heard that the Sybex DCN book by Robert > Padjen has a section on > Stratacom. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Mr. Oletu Hosea Godswill, CCNA > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 3:28 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: CID Exam!!!--- - - Stratacom Switches > [7:18476] > > > > > > Hi group, > > > > Am bill to write my CID exam in 4 days time, am > using > > the cisco press book. However, the book did not > give > > stratacom switches any treament except for a few > lines > > and they test this area heavyly I learnt in the > exam. > > I have done a lot of searches even in CCO but > could > > not locate any white paper on this subject. > > > > Please, help with a link or URL where I can get a > > white paper on this switch. The URL provided in > the > > cisco press book did not help issues and on CCO, > the > > only thing I saw was how Cisco aquire stratacom in > > 1996, I wonder whether they will ask one that in > the > > exam. Any link will help, please. > > > > Also feed me on the last minute check-list on the > CID > > exam. > > > > Regards. > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant > messaging with > > Yahoo! Messenger > > http://im.yahoo.com > > Report misconduct > > and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Robert Padjen __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=18520&t=18476 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam!!!--- - - Stratacom Switches [7:18476]
I have heard that the Sybex DCN book by Robert Padjen has a section on Stratacom. > -Original Message- > From: Mr. Oletu Hosea Godswill, CCNA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 3:28 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: CID Exam!!!--- - - Stratacom Switches [7:18476] > > > Hi group, > > Am bill to write my CID exam in 4 days time, am using > the cisco press book. However, the book did not give > stratacom switches any treament except for a few lines > and they test this area heavyly I learnt in the exam. > I have done a lot of searches even in CCO but could > not locate any white paper on this subject. > > Please, help with a link or URL where I can get a > white paper on this switch. The URL provided in the > cisco press book did not help issues and on CCO, the > only thing I saw was how Cisco aquire stratacom in > 1996, I wonder whether they will ask one that in the > exam. Any link will help, please. > > Also feed me on the last minute check-list on the CID > exam. > > Regards. > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with > Yahoo! Messenger > http://im.yahoo.com > Report misconduct > and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=18490&t=18476 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID Exam Topics [7:18187]
womdering when the beta CID exam will be officially launched "Jeff Duchin" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Wanted feedback from those who have recently sat this exam and what they > recommend for the following since the CID Cisco Press book doesn't really > delve into: > > VPN, QOS. IP Telephony call phases, Voice over packet network design > considerations. > > Thanks in advance Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=18316&t=18187 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID Exam Topics [7:18187]
Just passed this exam last week. No VPN,No Qos, Voip nothing. All stuff covered in CID Cisco press book. Only Stratacom stuff is not covered but it is more thna enough in Robert Padjen CID book. Very poorly worded exam and most of the questions didnt make much sense to me. I just hung around and passed with 820. No clue how!!By the way same situation when I sat for CCDA where case studies didnt make much sense but passed with 900. So just go there and take ur time and eliminate wrong answers, dont try even to find the right answer!!!I dont know when Cisco is going to make it a fair exam. my 2 cents Shahid Shafi = Shahid Muhammad Shafi Network Engineer Level(3) Communications Inc. MCSE+I/MCSE(Win2K),CNA,CCNP,CCDP Please help feed hungry people worldwide http://www.hungersite.com/ A small thing each of us can do to help others less fortunate than ourselves __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=18201&t=18187 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID exam --How tough [7:17316]
Hi, I just wrote the CID and passed. It was a bit difficult in that you can't just memorize commands. I used the CID book and Boson tests. The exam had very little in common with the Boson tests so don't rush out and buy them! I would put some extra attention to the design considerations and advantages and disadvantages of various design options in WAN, desktop protocols, routing, SNA, etc. Pay careful attention to what the question is asking for in that there is frequently more than one multiple choice answer which on its own would be considered a true statement but in the context of the question doesn't exactly answer that is true but only one of the answers actually answers the question. Good luckKev ""Mr. Oletu Hosea Godswill, CCNA"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi group, > > Am finally going for my CID examination on Saturday. > Has any one written the exam lately? I heard that > cisco is planning to change the course content. What > is its diffulty level? I already have CCNA, CCDA and > CCNP. I understand alot of people do fail this exam. > AM using the Cisco Internetwork Design book by Matthew > H. Birkner CCIE #3719, how good is this text? Do I > need the appendix section of the book for the exam or > it is just met for general knowledge? > > Sorry for being this inquisitive, feed me as mush as > possible about this exam. > > regards. > Oletu > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=17957&t=17316 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam--How difficult????????? [7:17497]
Your book is fine, give it a fast read including the appendix. Not a lot of design questions on the test. A good solid cross section of everything is on the test. I took it on July 24th, 755 was passing at that time. Review SNA and the Stratosphere line. Good luck Phil Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=17500&t=17497 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID Exam - Information?PLAIN TEXT! [7:4527]
> Know your CCNP and CCDA stuff. Read the Cisco Press CID book. Find some > stuff on Cisco.com on StratacomYou should be ready after that. I took > the exam 4 weeks ago. It is tough but do-able. > I'm currently preparing for the written. Ugh.. The > http://www.cramsession.brainbuzz.com stuff is pretty good review. good > luck!!! > > Bryan > - Original Message - > From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy Ouellette)" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:35 PM > Subject: CID Exam - Information? [7:4341] > > > > I recently read the cisco course book (CID 2.0) and found that most of > > the topics discussed were a review of mosttly routing/desktop > > protocols. I have just started the Sybex CID book and it follows the > > same. I was wondering if both of these materials cover all the > > "stuff" that I would need to know for this exam. Could anyone point > > me to some URL's on Cisco that really help for this test or maybe even > > some pointers (without breaking the NDA *grin*) > > > > Thanks so much. > > > > Tim > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=4527&t=4527 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID Exam - Information? [7:4341]
Know your CCNP and CCDA stuff. Read the Cisco Press CID book. Find some stuff on Cisco.com on StratacomYou should be ready after that. I took the exam 4 weeks ago. It is tough but do-able. I'm currently preparing for the written. Ugh.. The http://www.cramsession.brainbuzz.com stuff is pretty good review. good luck!!! Bryan - Original Message - From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy Ouellette)" To: Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:35 PM Subject: CID Exam - Information? [7:4341] > I recently read the cisco course book (CID 2.0) and found that most of > the topics discussed were a review of mosttly routing/desktop > protocols. I have just started the Sybex CID book and it follows the > same. I was wondering if both of these materials cover all the > "stuff" that I would need to know for this exam. Could anyone point > me to some URL's on Cisco that really help for this test or maybe even > some pointers (without breaking the NDA *grin*) > > Thanks so much. > > Tim > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=4524&t=4341 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID Exam - Information? [7:4341]
Augment the Sybex book with Cisco Web information on the StrataCom platforms - capabilities, protocols, etc. It might be worth five-percent of your interests. Otherwise, assuming that you've taken the CCNP and DCN exams, it should give you everything you need. --- "[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy Ouellette)" wrote: > I recently read the cisco course book (CID 2.0) and > found that most of > the topics discussed were a review of mosttly > routing/desktop > protocols. I have just started the Sybex CID book > and it follows the > same. I was wondering if both of these materials > cover all the > "stuff" that I would need to know for this exam. > Could anyone point > me to some URL's on Cisco that really help for this > test or maybe even > some pointers (without breaking the NDA *grin*) > > Thanks so much. > > Tim > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Robert Padjen __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=4357&t=4341 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID Exam tips
StrataCom Switches YES!!! Marakalas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi > I'm writing the CID 640-025 exam on Monday. I want to > know if the exam covers ATM and StrataCom Switches. > Where should i concentrate on. > > Your valuable contribution will be highly appreciated. > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID Exam (640-025)
Typically there seems to be a six month delay from the end of a beta to the retirement of a test, but there is no rule. The new CID test (beta) was very bad and I hope Cisco takes some time to correct it before its release. The old test was poor, but was at least managable. Good luck. --- PYF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Will this exam going to retire within months? > Usually, when will be the new > exam released after the beta exam? Do I still going > for this exam? Please > advise. > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Robert Padjen __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID EXAM ALIVE AND WELL!!
Too many people already on the list for the Beta and I needed it to work on a book I am doing. André Paree-Huff A+, ASE, CCDA, CCNP MCSE+I, NET+, I-NET+ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL AIM: pareehuff - Original Message - From: "GNOME" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 8:58 AM Subject: Re: CID EXAM ALIVE AND WELL!! > How come don't want to take the Beta exam instead? > > > "Andre' Paree-Huff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 016001c0614a$751c3170$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:016001c0614a$751c3170$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > I'll tell you on Tuesday after I return if I get to take it. I just > called > > again and they said it was available. I'm calling 1.800.204.3926 and > taking > > exam 640-025. It's still listed as a live test on Cisco's web page > > > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/exam_list.ht > > m . > > > > > > > > > > André Paree-Huff > > A+, ASE, CCDA, CCNP > > MCSE+I, NET+, I-NET+ > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > AOL AIM: pareehuff > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Christopher J. Dosch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Andre' Paree-Huff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Cisco@Groupstudy. Com" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 5:40 PM > > Subject: RE: CID EXAM ALIVE AND WELL!! > > > > > > > WOW, that's strange! I live in NO VA and I called yesterday, first > > > Prometric and then Cisco, both representatives said no go on both the > beta > > > and the 3.0!! > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > > Andre' Paree-Huff > > > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 10:00 AM > > > To: Cisco@Groupstudy. Com > > > Subject: CID EXAM ALIVE AND WELL!! > > > > > > > > > I just called Prometric and scheduled my CID 640-025 exam for next = > > > Tuesday morning. It is alive and well. The lady I spoke to said she = > > > has been scheduling at least a couple people for this exam every day. I > = > > > stated that I heard it was pulled and she said they have gotten no word > = > > > on it. So as of now I am schedule to sit the CID exam next week... > > > > > > > > > Andr=E9 Paree-Huff > > > A+, ASE, CCDA, CCNP > > > MCSE+I, NET+, I-NET+ > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > AOL AIM: pareehuff > > > > > > > > > _ > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > _ > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID EXAM ALIVE AND WELL!!
How come don't want to take the Beta exam instead? "Andre' Paree-Huff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 016001c0614a$751c3170$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:016001c0614a$751c3170$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I'll tell you on Tuesday after I return if I get to take it. I just called > again and they said it was available. I'm calling 1.800.204.3926 and taking > exam 640-025. It's still listed as a live test on Cisco's web page > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/exam_list.ht > m . > > > > > André Paree-Huff > A+, ASE, CCDA, CCNP > MCSE+I, NET+, I-NET+ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > AOL AIM: pareehuff > > - Original Message - > From: "Christopher J. Dosch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Andre' Paree-Huff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Cisco@Groupstudy. Com" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 5:40 PM > Subject: RE: CID EXAM ALIVE AND WELL!! > > > > WOW, that's strange! I live in NO VA and I called yesterday, first > > Prometric and then Cisco, both representatives said no go on both the beta > > and the 3.0!! > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > Andre' Paree-Huff > > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 10:00 AM > > To: Cisco@Groupstudy. Com > > Subject: CID EXAM ALIVE AND WELL!! > > > > > > I just called Prometric and scheduled my CID 640-025 exam for next = > > Tuesday morning. It is alive and well. The lady I spoke to said she = > > has been scheduling at least a couple people for this exam every day. I = > > stated that I heard it was pulled and she said they have gotten no word = > > on it. So as of now I am schedule to sit the CID exam next week... > > > > > > Andr=E9 Paree-Huff > > A+, ASE, CCDA, CCNP > > MCSE+I, NET+, I-NET+ > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > AOL AIM: pareehuff > > > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID EXAM ALIVE AND WELL!!
I'll tell you on Tuesday after I return if I get to take it. I just called again and they said it was available. I'm calling 1.800.204.3926 and taking exam 640-025. It's still listed as a live test on Cisco's web page http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/exam_list.ht m . André Paree-Huff A+, ASE, CCDA, CCNP MCSE+I, NET+, I-NET+ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL AIM: pareehuff - Original Message - From: "Christopher J. Dosch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Andre' Paree-Huff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Cisco@Groupstudy. Com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 5:40 PM Subject: RE: CID EXAM ALIVE AND WELL!! > WOW, that's strange! I live in NO VA and I called yesterday, first > Prometric and then Cisco, both representatives said no go on both the beta > and the 3.0!! > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Andre' Paree-Huff > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 10:00 AM > To: Cisco@Groupstudy. Com > Subject: CID EXAM ALIVE AND WELL!! > > > I just called Prometric and scheduled my CID 640-025 exam for next = > Tuesday morning. It is alive and well. The lady I spoke to said she = > has been scheduling at least a couple people for this exam every day. I = > stated that I heard it was pulled and she said they have gotten no word = > on it. So as of now I am schedule to sit the CID exam next week... > > > Andr=E9 Paree-Huff > A+, ASE, CCDA, CCNP > MCSE+I, NET+, I-NET+ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > AOL AIM: pareehuff > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID EXAM ALIVE AND WELL!!
WOW, that's strange! I live in NO VA and I called yesterday, first Prometric and then Cisco, both representatives said no go on both the beta and the 3.0!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andre' Paree-Huff Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 10:00 AM To: Cisco@Groupstudy. Com Subject: CID EXAM ALIVE AND WELL!! I just called Prometric and scheduled my CID 640-025 exam for next = Tuesday morning. It is alive and well. The lady I spoke to said she = has been scheduling at least a couple people for this exam every day. I = stated that I heard it was pulled and she said they have gotten no word = on it. So as of now I am schedule to sit the CID exam next week... Andr=E9 Paree-Huff A+, ASE, CCDA, CCNP MCSE+I, NET+, I-NET+ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL AIM: pareehuff _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID exam Information Wanted
As Chuck has suggested. Read all questions carefully. This will be the most obscure exam you will probably sit to date. Make sure you study hard and give this exam more respect than any of the CCNP exams. Good luck. P.S. you can go back so mark the dodgy questions and go back at the end. -Original Message- From: Vincent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 September 2000 16:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CID exam Information Wanted Hi all; Anyone took CID exam recently, I am going to take the exam next saturday, any information welcom. Thanks Vincent **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID exam Information Wanted
Read all questions carefully. Don't be discouraged by the couple of questions for which there is no right answer. Concentrate on protocol behaviors as determined by Cisco - TCP, routing protocols, desktop - meaning netbios and IPX, with maybe a smattering of Appletalk. Those three areas cover 75% of the test. The SNA, design methodology, and stratecom areas cover the rest. You have LOTS of time. Two hours for 100 questions. If you need more than 75 minutes, you weren't ready for the test. You can mark and go back. Best of luck. Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Vincent Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 8:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:CID exam Information Wanted Hi all; Anyone took CID exam recently, I am going to take the exam next saturday, any information welcom. Thanks Vincent **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID Exam Question
I don't think that it's a question of "whatever a client wants to support".. It's more like, this stuff is out there in legacy systems and they use Cisco stuff so you should know it if you bump into it. That's why there's still a lot of Token Ring in the CCIE, not many implement it for new networks but there's still a lot of it out there. Kevin Wigle CCDP/CCNP. "Constance Cate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 8qek3o$mac$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8qek3o$mac$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > CID Exam QuestionYeah, it's in there, IPX more than Apple. > Cisco wants to support what ever a client wants to transport, it's that old > "The customer is always right" thing. > Because of that philosophy, Cisco wants you, as a Cisco certified > professional, to be able to design a network that will support all the > commonly used protocols and be familiar with most everything. Believe me, > IPX and Apple are important protocols. > C.Cate > CCDP and some more stuff... > > "Pickett, Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hey Guys, > Just checking with those who have taken this exam to see if Appletalk and > IPX are really covered on this exam...all the exam guides cover it, but it > seems like a total waste because its no longer a real world application, as > a presales design engineer i see nothing but IP in networks everyday.. > thanks > Mike Pickett > Enterprise Network Consultant > Worldcom > 770-284-5844 > Pager: 800-724-3624 > Pin: 1684328 > > > **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html > _ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID Exam Question
Yup. Focus on the features that make these protocols useful in modern networks, including newer routing protocols... --- "Pickett, Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Guys, > > Just checking with those who have taken this exam to > see if Appletalk and > IPX are really covered on this exam...all the exam > guides cover it, but it > seems like a total waste because its no longer a > real world application, as > a presales design engineer i see nothing but IP in > networks everyday.. > > thanks > > Mike Pickett > Enterprise Network Consultant > Worldcom > 770-284-5844 > Pager: 800-724-3624 > Pin: 1684328 > > = Robert Padjen __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID Exam Question
CID Exam QuestionYeah, it's in there, IPX more than Apple. Cisco wants to support what ever a client wants to transport, it's that old "The customer is always right" thing. Because of that philosophy, Cisco wants you, as a Cisco certified professional, to be able to design a network that will support all the commonly used protocols and be familiar with most everything. Believe me, IPX and Apple are important protocols. C.Cate CCDP and some more stuff... "Pickett, Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hey Guys, Just checking with those who have taken this exam to see if Appletalk and IPX are really covered on this exam...all the exam guides cover it, but it seems like a total waste because its no longer a real world application, as a presales design engineer i see nothing but IP in networks everyday.. thanks Mike Pickett Enterprise Network Consultant Worldcom 770-284-5844 Pager: 800-724-3624 Pin: 1684328 **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID Exam Fail
If you pass CID and DCN then you have a pretty good start towards the CCIE written. Most of the written exam is conceptual, as opposed to knowing commands and such. But i would suggest some intensive additional study b4 taking the written. Richard Foltz, CCNP, CCDP, MCSE+I, Network+, A+ Technical Solutions Consultant Sprint ENS "McCallum, Robert" wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ... >I don't know if anyone feels the same regarding this exam but this is quite >simply the hardest exam I have sat so far. That bad, that I am going on a >course, which will hopefully let me find what I am most obviously lacking. >I failed with 56% (pass mark 65%). Although only 9% I'm not too comfortable >about only knowing 56% of the material required. > >A note to anyone who has sat this exam and the CCIE written, how do they >compare in hardness etc. > >Chuck, I know how you feel now. You really have to give this exam the >utmost of respect. > >Cheers > >Robert McCallum >Ext 730 3448 >DDI : 01415663448 >Mobile : 07818002241 > > > >___ >UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >--- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID Exam Fail
Studied CID course manual reviewed, highlighted and made notes (wrote down what I highlighted) for 16-24 hours of total studying. www.boson.com CID #1 & #2 Passed with: 69% (still passing score) Passing score: 65% 100 questions 2 1/4 hours time limit CID has the design and depth of protocols for Desktop, IP, WAN, WAN, SNA, SNA. Tom Trygar Ruslan S Tchinyakov wrote: > Really, I got around 80%, but CID make me spent > almost 2 hours (compare with CMTD- 20 minutes and 990 got). > I used Cisco Network design & Case Studies- but during the exam I felt > it is quite weak to give you some conceptual facts on Token Ring and SNA, > in other questions I have had to refres ACRC in depth. But, nevertheless- > I passed, but without especial hapiness on my face. > > Ruslan Tchinyakov, > CCNP+Security, CCDP, MCSE > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > McCallum, Robert > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 4:35 PM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: CID Exam Fail > > I don't know if anyone feels the same regarding this exam but this is quite > simply the hardest exam I have sat so far. That bad, that I am going on a > course, which will hopefully let me find what I am most obviously lacking. > I failed with 56% (pass mark 65%). Although only 9% I'm not too comfortable > about only knowing 56% of the material required. > > A note to anyone who has sat this exam and the CCIE written, how do they > compare in hardness etc. > > Chuck, I know how you feel now. You really have to give this exam the > utmost of respect. > > Cheers > > Robert McCallum > Ext 730 3448 > DDI : 01415663448 > Mobile : 07818002241 > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam Fail
Really, I got around 80%, but CID make me spent almost 2 hours (compare with CMTD- 20 minutes and 990 got). I used Cisco Network design & Case Studies- but during the exam I felt it is quite weak to give you some conceptual facts on Token Ring and SNA, in other questions I have had to refres ACRC in depth. But, nevertheless- I passed, but without especial hapiness on my face. Ruslan Tchinyakov, CCNP+Security, CCDP, MCSE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of McCallum, Robert Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 4:35 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: CID Exam Fail I don't know if anyone feels the same regarding this exam but this is quite simply the hardest exam I have sat so far. That bad, that I am going on a course, which will hopefully let me find what I am most obviously lacking. I failed with 56% (pass mark 65%). Although only 9% I'm not too comfortable about only knowing 56% of the material required. A note to anyone who has sat this exam and the CCIE written, how do they compare in hardness etc. Chuck, I know how you feel now. You really have to give this exam the utmost of respect. Cheers Robert McCallum Ext 730 3448 DDI : 01415663448 Mobile : 07818002241 ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam? (ScanMail Checked: Virus Free!)
>I don't think this question asks anybody to violate the NDA. She is not >asking for any specific details, only topics and test format. Cisco used to >put this information on their site in the form of "exam objectives", which >they no longer do, but not for reasons of NDA violation. Cisco still have this info on their site. http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/certprog/testing/pdf/cid.pdf ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam?
I don't think this question asks anybody to violate the NDA. She is not asking for any specific details, only topics and test format. Cisco used to put this information on their site in the form of "exam objectives", which they no longer do, but not for reasons of NDA violation. Besides, I'd like to know the answer to her questions as well as I will be taking this exam soon myself! ;-} Rik -Original Message- From: Feliz, Edgar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 4:51 PM To: Tara Porter; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CID Exam? Tara, The question you ask would violate the NDA. I can tell you that you should prepare for everything. If you have taken the CID course the exam covers all the subjects on that. EF -Original Message- From: Tara Porter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 4:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CID Exam? Has anyone taken the CID exam recently? I was wondering if there were any case study questions. Some have told me that there are, some have told me that there are not. Also, I've been getting mixed information about SNA on the exam. One person said he had zero questions about SNA. Can someone please tell me what I can expect in regards to case studies and SNA? Thank you, Tara Porter Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID Exam?
Tara, The question you ask would violate the NDA. I can tell you that you should prepare for everything. If you have taken the CID course the exam covers all the subjects on that. EF -Original Message- From: Tara Porter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 4:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CID Exam? Has anyone taken the CID exam recently? I was wondering if there were any case study questions. Some have told me that there are, some have told me that there are not. Also, I've been getting mixed information about SNA on the exam. One person said he had zero questions about SNA. Can someone please tell me what I can expect in regards to case studies and SNA? Thank you, Tara Porter Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID exam
I guess I should answer. Robert Padjen is a really nice guy who writes incredible texts on a myriad of subjects. He also takes whatever opportunity he can for shameless self-promotion! The Sybex CID book that I wrote is at: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0782126391/o/qid%3D956769507/sr%3D8-1/ref%3Daps%5Fsr%5Fb%5F1%5F1/002-5146195-9236860 although it is now in Borders and on BN.com. I'm sure FatBrain and the others have it too. Congrats Jim! That's a great accomplishment. Priscilla - Interesting comments. I haven't heard about any update to the test and it isn't in the beta track yet, so that would lead one to think we're at least six months from a revision - likely more. I would think that the CCIE Design will start to define what the new exam would be like. --- "Westmoreland, Alexis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What is Robert's book? What is the title? By Robert > who? > > -Original Message- > From: Jim Healis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 12:53 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: CID exam > > > I have to agree that this test is old, and a bit > ambiguous on many > questions. An example: I ran across a question that > asks you to select the > best answer about a protocol but don't tell you what > protocol they are > asking about. All I did, at that point, was try to > remember what protocols > were focused upon in the reading material and guess > at the answer. > > I will say that I used Robert's book to study for > this exam, and I enjoyed > his inserts about "real world networking". This exam > displays how old it is > in the questions it asks about technologies, and > Robert's book lets you know > that even though you must know this subject for the > exam it isn't too > prominent in the real world. > > As for taking the test again... I passed this > morning, with a dramatic > increase in score: from 64% to 89% > And I am proud to change my signature. =) > > Jim Healis, CCNP, CCDP > Senior Network Engineer > wine.com > > > -----Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Priscilla Oppenheimer > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:59 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: CID exam > > Will Cisco be rewriting the CID exam soon? I notice > that the CCDP 2.0 list > still includes CID 3.0 640-025. > > The test is ancient, and many of the questions were > written to certify > instructors. (I have inside information on this! ;-) > Some of these > questions miss the mark for people who won't be > teaching the class. > > Priscilla > > > At 09:31 AM 6/1/2000 -0700, Robert Padjen wrote: > >I think that most people fail to understand that > the > >CID exam is perhaps the most unique of the series. > >There is no practicality, and, while I was > >disappointed with the age of the exam, I thought > that > >it opened the door to the design world better than > the > >technical exams - routing, switching, etc. Since I > >love design I went beyond these parameters and > wrote > >roughly 50% of the study guide (Sybex) in that vain > >and added material like DSL and multicast. > > > >I think that all of us have been frustrated with > the > >exams from a style, content or focus perspective > from > >time to time. I also know that CID is generally > >regarded as a hard exam - I disagree - and a lot of > >people have avoided the CCDP track from this fear. > > > >A suggestion would be to participate in the beta > >program offered by Cisco. The tests are free, and I > >like to fool myself into thinking that they read > the > >lengthy comments that I make. My understanding is > that > >there is a group that reviews comments from both > the > >betas and the live exams, so, as long as you don't > >have a time limit concern, use that avenue and > >hopefully you/we can effect the certification > process. > > > > > > > >--- Brad Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> that CID test sucks > >> > >> -Brad Ellis > >> CCIE#5796 > >> CCDP, CCNA, MCNE, MCSE > >> ""Jim Healis"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in > message > >> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > >> > Have you ever had one of those times where you > >> took a test, marked a > >> > question because you weren't sure about it, and > >> then changed the answer... > >> > only to find out that you failed the
RE: CID exam
What is Robert's book? What is the title? By Robert who? -Original Message- From: Jim Healis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 12:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CID exam I have to agree that this test is old, and a bit ambiguous on many questions. An example: I ran across a question that asks you to select the best answer about a protocol but don't tell you what protocol they are asking about. All I did, at that point, was try to remember what protocols were focused upon in the reading material and guess at the answer. I will say that I used Robert's book to study for this exam, and I enjoyed his inserts about "real world networking". This exam displays how old it is in the questions it asks about technologies, and Robert's book lets you know that even though you must know this subject for the exam it isn't too prominent in the real world. As for taking the test again... I passed this morning, with a dramatic increase in score: from 64% to 89% And I am proud to change my signature. =) Jim Healis, CCNP, CCDP Senior Network Engineer wine.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Priscilla Oppenheimer Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CID exam Will Cisco be rewriting the CID exam soon? I notice that the CCDP 2.0 list still includes CID 3.0 640-025. The test is ancient, and many of the questions were written to certify instructors. (I have inside information on this! ;-) Some of these questions miss the mark for people who won't be teaching the class. Priscilla At 09:31 AM 6/1/2000 -0700, Robert Padjen wrote: >I think that most people fail to understand that the >CID exam is perhaps the most unique of the series. >There is no practicality, and, while I was >disappointed with the age of the exam, I thought that >it opened the door to the design world better than the >technical exams - routing, switching, etc. Since I >love design I went beyond these parameters and wrote >roughly 50% of the study guide (Sybex) in that vain >and added material like DSL and multicast. > >I think that all of us have been frustrated with the >exams from a style, content or focus perspective from >time to time. I also know that CID is generally >regarded as a hard exam - I disagree - and a lot of >people have avoided the CCDP track from this fear. > >A suggestion would be to participate in the beta >program offered by Cisco. The tests are free, and I >like to fool myself into thinking that they read the >lengthy comments that I make. My understanding is that >there is a group that reviews comments from both the >betas and the live exams, so, as long as you don't >have a time limit concern, use that avenue and >hopefully you/we can effect the certification process. > > > >--- Brad Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> that CID test sucks >> >> -Brad Ellis >> CCIE#5796 >> CCDP, CCNA, MCNE, MCSE >> ""Jim Healis"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> > Have you ever had one of those times where you >> took a test, marked a >> > question because you weren't sure about it, and >> then changed the answer... >> > only to find out that you failed the exam by one >> percentage point? >> > >> > That happened to me today... >> > My overall scores in each area were about what I >> expected them to be... >> but >> > I never expected to fail by one question. Talk >> about a downer! >> > But I take the test again tomorrow morning... and >> I now know what I need >> to >> > focus on: ATM and SNA (my two week points). >> > >> > Wish me luck! >> > >> > Jim Healis, CCNP, CCDA >> > Senior Network Engineer >> > wine.com >> > >> > __ Priscilla Oppenheimer Phone 541-482-5685 Fax 541-488-1708 Web http://www.priscilla.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CID exam
I have to agree that this test is old, and a bit ambiguous on many questions. An example: I ran across a question that asks you to select the best answer about a protocol but don't tell you what protocol they are asking about. All I did, at that point, was try to remember what protocols were focused upon in the reading material and guess at the answer. I will say that I used Robert's book to study for this exam, and I enjoyed his inserts about "real world networking". This exam displays how old it is in the questions it asks about technologies, and Robert's book lets you know that even though you must know this subject for the exam it isn't too prominent in the real world. As for taking the test again... I passed this morning, with a dramatic increase in score: from 64% to 89% And I am proud to change my signature. =) Jim Healis, CCNP, CCDP Senior Network Engineer wine.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Priscilla Oppenheimer Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CID exam Will Cisco be rewriting the CID exam soon? I notice that the CCDP 2.0 list still includes CID 3.0 640-025. The test is ancient, and many of the questions were written to certify instructors. (I have inside information on this! ;-) Some of these questions miss the mark for people who won't be teaching the class. Priscilla At 09:31 AM 6/1/2000 -0700, Robert Padjen wrote: >I think that most people fail to understand that the >CID exam is perhaps the most unique of the series. >There is no practicality, and, while I was >disappointed with the age of the exam, I thought that >it opened the door to the design world better than the >technical exams - routing, switching, etc. Since I >love design I went beyond these parameters and wrote >roughly 50% of the study guide (Sybex) in that vain >and added material like DSL and multicast. > >I think that all of us have been frustrated with the >exams from a style, content or focus perspective from >time to time. I also know that CID is generally >regarded as a hard exam - I disagree - and a lot of >people have avoided the CCDP track from this fear. > >A suggestion would be to participate in the beta >program offered by Cisco. The tests are free, and I >like to fool myself into thinking that they read the >lengthy comments that I make. My understanding is that >there is a group that reviews comments from both the >betas and the live exams, so, as long as you don't >have a time limit concern, use that avenue and >hopefully you/we can effect the certification process. > > > >--- Brad Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> that CID test sucks >> >> -Brad Ellis >> CCIE#5796 >> CCDP, CCNA, MCNE, MCSE >> ""Jim Healis"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> > Have you ever had one of those times where you >> took a test, marked a >> > question because you weren't sure about it, and >> then changed the answer... >> > only to find out that you failed the exam by one >> percentage point? >> > >> > That happened to me today... >> > My overall scores in each area were about what I >> expected them to be... >> but >> > I never expected to fail by one question. Talk >> about a downer! >> > But I take the test again tomorrow morning... and >> I now know what I need >> to >> > focus on: ATM and SNA (my two week points). >> > >> > Wish me luck! >> > >> > Jim Healis, CCNP, CCDA >> > Senior Network Engineer >> > wine.com >> > >> > __ Priscilla Oppenheimer Phone 541-482-5685 Fax 541-488-1708 Web http://www.priscilla.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID exam
Will Cisco be rewriting the CID exam soon? I notice that the CCDP 2.0 list still includes CID 3.0 640-025. The test is ancient, and many of the questions were written to certify instructors. (I have inside information on this! ;-) Some of these questions miss the mark for people who won't be teaching the class. Priscilla At 09:31 AM 6/1/2000 -0700, Robert Padjen wrote: >I think that most people fail to understand that the >CID exam is perhaps the most unique of the series. >There is no practicality, and, while I was >disappointed with the age of the exam, I thought that >it opened the door to the design world better than the >technical exams - routing, switching, etc. Since I >love design I went beyond these parameters and wrote >roughly 50% of the study guide (Sybex) in that vain >and added material like DSL and multicast. > >I think that all of us have been frustrated with the >exams from a style, content or focus perspective from >time to time. I also know that CID is generally >regarded as a hard exam - I disagree - and a lot of >people have avoided the CCDP track from this fear. > >A suggestion would be to participate in the beta >program offered by Cisco. The tests are free, and I >like to fool myself into thinking that they read the >lengthy comments that I make. My understanding is that >there is a group that reviews comments from both the >betas and the live exams, so, as long as you don't >have a time limit concern, use that avenue and >hopefully you/we can effect the certification process. > > > >--- Brad Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> that CID test sucks >> >> -Brad Ellis >> CCIE#5796 >> CCDP, CCNA, MCNE, MCSE >> ""Jim Healis"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> > Have you ever had one of those times where you >> took a test, marked a >> > question because you weren't sure about it, and >> then changed the answer... >> > only to find out that you failed the exam by one >> percentage point? >> > >> > That happened to me today... >> > My overall scores in each area were about what I >> expected them to be... >> but >> > I never expected to fail by one question. Talk >> about a downer! >> > But I take the test again tomorrow morning... and >> I now know what I need >> to >> > focus on: ATM and SNA (my two week points). >> > >> > Wish me luck! >> > >> > Jim Healis, CCNP, CCDA >> > Senior Network Engineer >> > wine.com >> > >> > __ Priscilla Oppenheimer Phone 541-482-5685 Fax 541-488-1708 Web http://www.priscilla.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID exam
I think that most people fail to understand that the CID exam is perhaps the most unique of the series. There is no practicality, and, while I was disappointed with the age of the exam, I thought that it opened the door to the design world better than the technical exams - routing, switching, etc. Since I love design I went beyond these parameters and wrote roughly 50% of the study guide (Sybex) in that vain and added material like DSL and multicast. I think that all of us have been frustrated with the exams from a style, content or focus perspective from time to time. I also know that CID is generally regarded as a hard exam - I disagree - and a lot of people have avoided the CCDP track from this fear. A suggestion would be to participate in the beta program offered by Cisco. The tests are free, and I like to fool myself into thinking that they read the lengthy comments that I make. My understanding is that there is a group that reviews comments from both the betas and the live exams, so, as long as you don't have a time limit concern, use that avenue and hopefully you/we can effect the certification process. --- Brad Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > that CID test sucks > > -Brad Ellis > CCIE#5796 > CCDP, CCNA, MCNE, MCSE > ""Jim Healis"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Have you ever had one of those times where you > took a test, marked a > > question because you weren't sure about it, and > then changed the answer... > > only to find out that you failed the exam by one > percentage point? > > > > That happened to me today... > > My overall scores in each area were about what I > expected them to be... > but > > I never expected to fail by one question. Talk > about a downer! > > But I take the test again tomorrow morning... and > I now know what I need > to > > focus on: ATM and SNA (my two week points). > > > > Wish me luck! > > > > Jim Healis, CCNP, CCDA > > Senior Network Engineer > > wine.com > > > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --- > > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Robert Padjen __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID exam
Jim I'll second Brad's opinion... the CID test was *very* ambigous on a few questions... I think test writers create questions on certain subject areas and they know what subject areas they are pulling from when writing it, but you don't taking the test... I had one question that was completely, 100% so ambiguous that there was no right answer because the question hadn't been formed yet... That being said, I took the test on 5/31/2000 and passed. 37 minutes, 100 questions, passing score of 77% (needed 65% to pass)... Priscilla Oppenheimer kicked my butt... I used the Cisco Press book, Cisco Internetworking Design. I had read Top-Down Nework Design twice last year (June) for CCDA. It would be a good book to use for this test too. My section scores were what they should be (SNA being my lowest, haven't touched anything SNA in over three years now (and then it wasn't a Cisco router ;)). If I had it to do over again, I would have spent more time on studying SNA. It did not make up a large portion of the test by any means, but I should have known more before taking it. I'm sure you'll crank it through on the second try! Wayne Smith, CNE/MCSE/CCNP/and now CCDP ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID exam
that CID test sucks -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 CCDP, CCNA, MCNE, MCSE ""Jim Healis"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Have you ever had one of those times where you took a test, marked a > question because you weren't sure about it, and then changed the answer... > only to find out that you failed the exam by one percentage point? > > That happened to me today... > My overall scores in each area were about what I expected them to be... but > I never expected to fail by one question. Talk about a downer! > But I take the test again tomorrow morning... and I now know what I need to > focus on: ATM and SNA (my two week points). > > Wish me luck! > > Jim Healis, CCNP, CCDA > Senior Network Engineer > wine.com > > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
