CCNP books for sale [7:63345]

2003-02-19 Thread Chang John
Anyone interested in buying my Exam Cram paperback books?  They are in
excellent condition.  No markings and looks almost new.  It has the cheat
sheets.  Let me know.  Thank you

Exam Cram CCNP 640-503 Routing
Exam Cram CCNP 640-504 Switching
Exam Cram CCNP 640-505 Remote access
Exam Cram CCNP 640-506 Support


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RE: CCNP BOOKS [7:61303]

2003-01-20 Thread Peri Sophos
I'd say buy new books , cause there might be one or two questions NOT in
the old books which you have not studied , and then you play the
guessing game , which is no good :)

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Hi,
I am prearing for the CCNP exams but i have the old books for
640-503,504,505 & 506. Will these books still suffice for the exams or
should  junk them and buy the books for the new 901,604,605&606?

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RE: CCNP BOOKS [7:61303]

2003-01-20 Thread Nsikan Ntia
Thanks  a lot Kenan.

Really appreciate your help.


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RE: CCNP BOOKS [7:61303]

2003-01-18 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Go to www.ciscopress.com.

Cisco Press != Cisco.

Priscilla

Kenan Ahmed Siddiqi wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> You can download the supplements from the Cisco site itself.
> For eg, they have the supplement for BSCN book, which features
> IS-IS. So download it and use that. The link to the site of
> course is www.cisco.com and search for the missing topic.
> As for the exam, I would suggest to definitely print out the
> course outline first and make sure you have covered all the
> topics. If you think something is missing in the old book, just
> get it off the site. There is more material on the site than
> you would need for the paper. But it is definitely very
> comprehensive and handy too.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Kenan
> 




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RE: CCNP BOOKS [7:61303]

2003-01-18 Thread Kenan Ahmed Siddiqi
Hello,
You can download the supplements from the Cisco site itself. For eg, they
have the supplement for BSCN book, which features IS-IS. So download it and
use that. The link to the site of course is www.cisco.com and search for the
missing topic.
As for the exam, I would suggest to definitely print out the course outline
first and make sure you have covered all the topics. If you think something
is missing in the old book, just get it off the site. There is more material
on the site than you would need for the paper. But it is definitely very
comprehensive and handy too.

Cheers,

Kenan



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RE: CCNP BOOKS [7:61303]

2003-01-18 Thread Nsikan Ntia
can you send me the URL where i can find the supplements.


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RE: CCNP BOOKS [7:61303]

2003-01-18 Thread Kenan Ahmed Siddiqi
Hello,
Books are fine. Download the supplements for the site...even though the new
books are always better!
Good luck with ur cert. persuasion...

Cheers,

Kenan


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CCNP BOOKS [7:61303]

2003-01-18 Thread Nsikan Ntia
Hi,
I am prearing for the CCNP exams but i have the old books for
640-503,504,505 & 506. Will these books still suffice for the exams or
should  junk them and buy the books for the new 901,604,605&606?

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Re: CCNP Books [7:56762]

2002-11-04 Thread Roger Chapman
I found the Cisco Press and Sybex study guides to be very helpful for
completing my CCNP. I also used the Boson test at www.boson.com. They are
$40.00 a piece but have been very helpful as well.

Good luck!


""Aaron Ajello""  wrote in message
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> I've had good luck with the Exam Cram books by Coriolis Press.  They have
> some errors, but they've worked for me.  Don't be afraid of the fact that
> they're for the older test version.  The information in these books is
still
> accurate for the new tests.  You'll need something to suplement the errors
> and omissions in these books though.  I recommend the Cisco Press CCNP
> Preparation Library.
> My method has been to read the Exam Cram books through a couple times and
> use the Cisco books as reference - they're just way too big to read
straight
> through without falling asleep.
> I also recommend getting some practice tests.  I've used Transcender which
> are good, but I'm not so sure they've been worth the money.  Take a look
at
> some of the cheaper alternatives.




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RE: CCNP Books [7:56762]

2002-11-03 Thread Aaron Ajello
I've had good luck with the Exam Cram books by Coriolis Press.  They have
some errors, but they've worked for me.  Don't be afraid of the fact that
they're for the older test version.  The information in these books is still
accurate for the new tests.  You'll need something to suplement the errors
and omissions in these books though.  I recommend the Cisco Press CCNP
Preparation Library.
My method has been to read the Exam Cram books through a couple times and
use the Cisco books as reference - they're just way too big to read straight
through without falling asleep.
I also recommend getting some practice tests.  I've used Transcender which
are good, but I'm not so sure they've been worth the money.  Take a look at
some of the cheaper alternatives.



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RE: CCNP Books [7:56762]

2002-11-03 Thread ccnp ccnp2002
Hi,

I do not know about switching, but for routing, use "Building Scalable Cisco
Networks" from Cisco Press. Also download the IS-IS chapter at cisco web
site (search for the free chapter there).

Also, buy a set of practice tests you need a lot of practice tests so
that the various routing concepts can "stick in" - this is in case you want
to do the exam as soon as possible.

Good Luck.


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CCNP Books [7:56762]

2002-11-02 Thread Hemant Seth
hi all, 

i am starting to prepare for CCNP exam. Can anyone help me,  which book(s)
are we suppose to study for CCNP routing and swtiching exam.

Thanks. 



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OT - CCNA and CCNP books for sale [7:42484]

2002-04-24 Thread Chewy Gravy

Hopefully appropriate, I have the following books for sale:

Exam Cram CCNA (640-507)
Sybex CCNA Study Guide, CD included (640-507)
Osborne CCNP Routing Study Guide, sorry, CD is lost (640-503)
Sybex Routing Study Guide, CD included (640-503)
Osborne CCNP Switching Study Guide, CD included (640-504)

It appears that Amazon sells these for $34, so does $25 sound fair if US 
shipping is included? The Exam Cram book is free with any purchase.


Doug
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Re: CCNP Books ? [7:6058]

2001-05-31 Thread Kelly Scroggins

As far as searching for books goes... don't forget
to compare prices with 

http://www.bestbookbuys.com

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http://www.addall.com   

Kelly


Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy Ouellette) :
   I used the CCNP preparation library to study towards the CCNP.  Each
   book in this series maps very well to the exam outline.  I also used
   the vast library at cisco.com to solidify any doubts.  Also, the boson
   tests help keep my mind sharp as to all the "little" details that you
   may get hit with while taking each exam.  Do a search on bookpool.com
   for this series as I found their prices to be much better than some of
   the other vendors online.  Hope this helped.
   
   Tim
   
   
   On 27 May 2001 04:08:36 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Taufik A Lubis")
   wrote:
   
   >I have a planning to prepare CCNP test (WAN Switching , Routing and
   >
   >etc) ... but i just know books from sybex  does anybody know about
the
   >
   >others books about CCNP material tests ? which one better ? 
   >   
   >Thanks for informations




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Re: CCNP Books ? [7:6058]

2001-05-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy Ouellette)

I used the CCNP preparation library to study towards the CCNP.  Each
book in this series maps very well to the exam outline.  I also used
the vast library at cisco.com to solidify any doubts.  Also, the boson
tests help keep my mind sharp as to all the "little" details that you
may get hit with while taking each exam.  Do a search on bookpool.com
for this series as I found their prices to be much better than some of
the other vendors online.  Hope this helped.

Tim


On 27 May 2001 04:08:36 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Taufik A Lubis")
wrote:

>I have a planning to prepare CCNP test (WAN Switching , Routing and
>
>etc) ... but i just know books from sybex  does anybody know about the
>
>others books about CCNP material tests ? which one better ? 
>   
>   Thanks for informations




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Re: CCNP Books ? [7:6058]

2001-05-27 Thread Brian

The cisco press most recent ccnp library seems to be the least erroneous
of the series out there.

Brian "Sonic" Whalen
Success = Preparation + Opportunity


On Sun, 27 May 2001, Taufik A Lubis wrote:

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>
> etc) ... but i just know books from sybex  does anybody know about the
>
> others books about CCNP material tests ? which one better ?
>
>   Thanks for informations
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Re: CCNP Books ? [7:6058]

2001-05-27 Thread Circusnuts

Cisco Press CCNP Library, the 4 Exam Crams CCNP books, & possibly the Boson
online exams for whichever you feel weak in.

That's all it takes...
Phil

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> I have a planning to prepare CCNP test (WAN Switching , Routing and
>
> etc) ... but i just know books from sybex  does anybody know about the
>
> others books about CCNP material tests ? which one better ?
>
> Thanks for informations
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CCNP Books ? [7:6058]

2001-05-27 Thread Taufik A Lubis

I have a planning to prepare CCNP test (WAN Switching , Routing and

etc) ... but i just know books from sybex  does anybody know about the

others books about CCNP material tests ? which one better ? 
   
Thanks for informations




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Selling CCNP Books (Sybex Routing, Switching, Remote Access, [7:5926]

2001-05-25 Thread JC

Hello,

If anyone is interested I am selling the Sybex series of CCNP books.
You can get the whole set on bookpool for $91.25 plus shipping and handling.
I will sell all of them for $70.00 plus shipping and handling.

Includes:

1) Sybex Routing Study Guide
2) Sybex Switching Study Guide
3) Sybex Remote Access Study Guide
4) Sybex Cisco Internetwork Troubleshooting Study Guide.

  Please send me an e-mail if you are interested.  We will work the payment
arrangements out via Paypal, and I can ship them out ASAP.



Thanks,

JC




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Selling CCNP Books (Sybex Routing, Switching, Remote Access, [7:5925]

2001-05-25 Thread JC

Hello,

If anyone is interested I am selling the Sybex series of CCNP books.
You can get the whole set on bookpool for $91.25 plus shipping and handling.
I will sell all of them for $70.00 plus shipping and handling.

Includes:

1) Sybex Routing Study Guide
2) Sybex Remote Access Study Guide
3) Sybex Remote Access Study Guide
4) Sybex Cisco Internetwork Troubleshooting Study Guide.

  Please send me an e-mail if you are interested.  We will work the
arrangements out via Paypal, and I can ship them out ASAP.



Thanks,

JC




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Re: CCNP books [7:2359]

2001-04-28 Thread Larry Lamb

In article , "Ali Ashraf (ZADCO
ITTN)"  wrote:

I used the regular books by Paquet, Webb, and Chappell.  The books are
very well written and are more than enough information to tackle the
exams.

> KIndly give me your advice about the following books at your earliest,
> as It will help me very much to order for the right books.




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CCNP books [7:2366]

2001-04-28 Thread Ali Ashraf (ZADCO ITTN)

I am a CCNP candidate and now on the proces of ordering study guides for
CCNP exams.
KIndly give me your advice about the following books at your earliest, as It
will help me very much to order for the right books.
All those books are from Cisco press
Thank you very much for time.

Yours Truly,

Ali Ashraf

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CCNP books [7:2359]

2001-04-27 Thread Ali Ashraf (ZADCO ITTN)

Dear Sirs,

I am a CCNP candidate and now on the proces of ordering study guides for
CCNP exams.
KIndly give me your advice about the following books at your earliest, as It
will help me very much to order for the right books.
All those books are from Cisco press
Thank you very much for time.

Yours Truly,

Ali Ashraf

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 CCNP Routing  Exam # 640-503   Author  Pages   With CD Pls give Your
Openion about the book  
CCNP Routing certification guideGough Clare, CCIE   848 yes
.   
Building Scalable Cisco NetworksCatherine Paquet, CCSI  700 No


 CCNP Switching  Exam # 640-504 Author  Pages   With CD Pls give Your
Openion about the book  
CCNP Switching certification guide  Tim Boyles, CCNP500 Yes

Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks Karen Webb, CCIE500
No  

 CCNP Remote Access  # 640-505  Author  Pages   With CD Pls give Your
Openion about the book  
CCNP Remote Access certification guide  Brain Morgan, CCIE  500 Yes

Building Cisco Remote Access Networks ( BCRAN ) Catherine Paquet, CCSI  652
No  

 CCNP Support  # 640-506Author  Pages   With CD Pls give Your
Openion about the book  
CCNP Support certification guideGough Clare-  CCIE,   Amir Ranjabar
500 Yes 
CCNP Cisco Internetwork Trouble shooting ( CIT) Dan Farkas, CCIE, Laura
Chappell604 No




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CCNP books [7:2358]

2001-04-27 Thread Ali Ashraf (ZADCO ITTN)

Dear Sirs,

I am a CCNP candidate and now on the proces of ordering study guides for
CCNP exams.
KIndly give me your advice about the following books at your earliest, as It
will help me very much to order for the right books.
All those books are from Cisco press
Thank you very much for time.

Yours Truly,

Ali Ashraf


 CCNP Routing  Exam # 640-503   Author  Pages   With CD Pls give Your
Openion about the book  
CCNP Routing certification guideGough Clare, CCIE   848 yes
.   
Building Scalable Cisco NetworksCatherine Paquet, CCSI  700 No


 CCNP Switching  Exam # 640-504 Author  Pages   With CD Pls give Your
Openion about the book  
CCNP Switching certification guide  Tim Boyles, CCNP500 Yes

Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks Karen Webb, CCIE500
No  

 CCNP Remote Access  # 640-505  Author  Pages   With CD Pls give Your
Openion about the book  
CCNP Remote Access certification guide  Brain Morgan, CCIE  500 Yes

Building Cisco Remote Access Networks ( BCRAN ) Catherine Paquet, CCSI  652
No  

 CCNP Support  # 640-506Author  Pages   With CD Pls give Your
Openion about the book  
CCNP Support certification guideGough Clare-  CCIE,   Amir Ranjabar
500 Yes 
CCNP Cisco Internetwork Trouble shooting ( CIT) Dan Farkas, CCIE, Laura
Chappell604 No




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RE: CCNP BOOKS [7:1130]

2001-04-18 Thread Ole Drews Jensen

Suranjith,

You can click on my CCNP link below, and see what I used for CCNA 2.0, BCRAN
and BCMSN.

As for the order, you need to take the CCNA first.

After that, it's kind of your own choice, however, CIT should probably be
the last, since it's more or less a smaller summary of all the other exams.

I think most people do the BSCN, BCMSN, BCRAN and then CIT - but I waited
with the BSCN until now because there wasn't really any good reading
material out there when I finished my CCNA 2.0.

Hth and happy studies,

Ole


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 CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
 RWR Enterprises, Inc.
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Dear Friends
I am new to the study group and just got through my CCNA.I wish to ask the 
following questions.
1.What are the good books for CCNP
2.What is the easiest test (ie which test to take first?)
Thanks in advance
Suranjith
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CCNP BOOKS [7:1130]

2001-04-18 Thread SURANJITH ARIYAPPRUMA

Dear Friends
I am new to the study group and just got through my CCNA.I wish to ask the 
following questions.
1.What are the good books for CCNP
2.What is the easiest test (ie which test to take first?)
Thanks in advance
Suranjith
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CCNP Books [7:675]

2001-04-14 Thread Davy

Hello, Group

Is anyone intersting in CCNP books?
I passed CCNP2.0 and am selling cisco press books on ebay. Go and bid..

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1423949472

Davy




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RE: ccnp books?

2001-04-06 Thread Lopez, Robert

I'm using both sets.  I find that they complement each other well.  The prep
set is geared more toward the technology itself (classroom material).  The
cert set is geared more towards the actual cisco exam.

robert

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I am studying for CCNP. I have found two different sets of four books by
cisco.
The first Cisco CCNP Preparation Library by Diane Teare, Catherine Paquet
Cisco Press, Hardcover, 2nd edition, Published November 2000, cisccnp_prep,
ISBN 1587050137

The second Cisco CCNP Certification Library Inc Cisco Systems
Cisco Press, Hardcover, Bk&CD edition, Published February 2001,
CCNP_cert_lib, ISBN 1587200376

Does anyone know which is the better set of books?

Dan Evensen CCNAWS
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ccnp books?

2001-04-06 Thread ccnawan

I am studying for CCNP. I have found two different sets of four books by
cisco.
The first Cisco CCNP Preparation Library by Diane Teare, Catherine Paquet
Cisco Press, Hardcover, 2nd edition, Published November 2000, cisccnp_prep,
ISBN 1587050137

The second Cisco CCNP Certification Library Inc Cisco Systems
Cisco Press, Hardcover, Bk&CD edition, Published February 2001,
CCNP_cert_lib, ISBN 1587200376

Does anyone know which is the better set of books?

Dan Evensen CCNAWS
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Re: CCNP books

2001-03-13 Thread Circusnuts

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Don't forget the Exam Cram series.  I always read the Cisco Press first,
then counter with skimming the Exam Crams.  I'm headed for my 3rd exam in 3
weeks & so far the Exam Crams are much much better.  In fact- a coworker
(who is a big Cisco Press proponent) made the comment after taking BCRAN
last night, if he'd used the Exam Cram on more than just the last day of
study he would have scored in the 900's.

Your scenario is a little different...  If you are a new CCNA & new to the
field, then all the CCNP exams will be a stretch for you.  Keep in mind,
CCNP's with no working knowledge have a real tough time (tougher than
CCNA's).  I work in government contracting & with a lot of paper CCNP's (&
CCIE's with very little practical experience).  When your experience is not
@ your cert. level, contractor companies will pay you less (70% of scale) a
bill you 100% of wage (I see some CCNP's @ 60K & government paying just
under 150K + benefits money).  There are worse ways to start, but it is not
a crime to bounce around for a year to get your feet wet.  I've bounced
around for almost 2 years & am finding the exams much easier than the first
time I tried to read the ACRC.  Also CCNA's with real experience (can do the
job) do make 75 to 100K.  I'm not saying it's smart test this theory, but
you will not be pigeon holed for taking things @ respectable pace.  These
are life-time decisions & not of us are going to turn into pumpkins :o)

All the best...
Phil

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> Cisco Press
>
> Routing TCP/IP Jeff
> Doyle 1-57870-041-8
> Internet Routing Architectures Sam Halabi
> 1-57870-233-X
> Building Cisco Scalable Networks Diane
> Teare 1-57870-228-3
> Building Cisco Remote Access Networks Catherine Paquet
> 1-57870-091-4
> Building Cisco MultiLayer Switched Networks Karen Webb
> 1-57870-093-0
> Cisco Internetwork Troubleshooting Laura
> Chappell 1-57870-092-2
>
> Sybex Press
>
> Routing Todd
> Lammle 0-7821-2712-6
> Switching
> Todd Lammle 0-7821-2711-8
> Remote Access Todd
> Lammle 0-7821-2710-X
> Support Todd
> Lammle 0-7821-2713-4
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 1:44 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>
> Hi,
>
> i just passed my CCNA and new to this group. would someone please kindly
>
> recommand some books for CCNP?
>
> thanks
>
> Cecilia
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Re: CCNP books

2001-03-12 Thread Larry Lamb

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "cecilia wu"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I've used the Cisco Press training books and really like them.  

> would someone please kindly  recommand some books for CCNP?

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RE: CCNP books

2001-03-12 Thread Dusty Harper

Cisco Press

Routing TCP/IP  Jeff
Doyle   1-57870-041-8
Internet Routing Architectures  Sam Halabi
1-57870-233-X
Building Cisco Scalable NetworksDiane
Teare   1-57870-228-3
Building Cisco Remote Access Networks   Catherine Paquet
1-57870-091-4
Building Cisco MultiLayer Switched Networks Karen Webb
1-57870-093-0
Cisco Internetwork Troubleshooting  Laura
Chappell1-57870-092-2

Sybex Press

Routing Todd
Lammle  0-7821-2712-6
Switching
Todd Lammle 0-7821-2711-8
Remote Access   Todd
Lammle  0-7821-2710-X
Support Todd
Lammle  0-7821-2713-4


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Subject: CCNP books


Hi,

i just passed my CCNA and new to this group. would someone please kindly

recommand some books for CCNP?

thanks

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CCNP books

2001-03-12 Thread cecilia wu

Hi,

i just passed my CCNA and new to this group. would someone please kindly 
recommand some books for CCNP?

thanks

Cecilia
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Re: Passed BCRAN today... 3/4 CCNP Books you like for CIT??

2001-02-18 Thread GNOME

that book is good enough to pass...i just passed mine :)



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> I just want to share my good news, 808 on BCRAN.
>
> I will take CIT next to complete the CCNP!  I have Cisco Internetwork
> Troubleshooting by Chappel and Farkas.  Is there another book that would
> work for CIT and help with the CCIE written as well?  My plan is to begin
> immediately after CCNP to start the track to the CCIE.  From what I have
> read on the board I would think the Caslow book might be helpfull with
CIT.
> TIA,
> Tom
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Passed BCRAN today... 3/4 CCNP Books you like for CIT??

2001-02-16 Thread Tom Keough

I just want to share my good news, 808 on BCRAN.

I will take CIT next to complete the CCNP!  I have Cisco Internetwork
Troubleshooting by Chappel and Farkas.  Is there another book that would
work for CIT and help with the CCIE written as well?  My plan is to begin
immediately after CCNP to start the track to the CCIE.  From what I have
read on the board I would think the Caslow book might be helpfull with CIT.
TIA,
Tom

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Re: CCNP books

2001-02-09 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

At 05:09 AM 2/9/01, Hunt Lee wrote:
>Hi Priscilla,
>
>I passed my CCDA yesterday.  I got 854 out of 1000.  Thanks so much for 
>all your help and support.

You're welcome.

>Do you know what is the difference between the CCNP Certification Library 
>and CCNP Preparation Library?  Which is better to use for
>studying the CCNP exams?
>
>CCNP Certification Library:
>
>CCNP Routing Exam Certification Guide
>CCNP Switching Exam Certification Guide
>CCNP Remote Access Exam Certification Guide
>CCNP Support Exam Certification Guide

The certification guides are intended for somebody who already knows the 
material somewhat. They are especially helpful for review purposes as you 
get close to taking the exam. I used the older ACRC Exam Certification 
Guide by Clare Gough and it was very good (though it had some OSPF mistakes.)


>CCNP Preparation Library:
>
>Building Scalable Cisco Networks
>Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks
>Building Cisco Remote Access Networks
>Cisco Internetwork Troubleshooting

These books are the actual course materials ported to book format. Since 
the tests are based on the courses, you can't go wrong with these books (in 
most cases). I used the Remote Access book, edited by Catherine Pacquet, 
and thought it was excellent. The CIT book, edited by Dan Farkas and Laura 
Chappell, is also very good.

Good luck! I'm going to send this to the whole group in case others are 
wondering too.

I hope you figured out that weird supernetting question from a few days 
ago. &;-)

Priscilla





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RE: Cisco CCNP books question

2001-02-08 Thread kz

Don't use "Cisco Internetwork Troubleshooting" for CIT.
"CCNP Support Exam Certification Guide" is much better for the test.

kz

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> Hunt Lee
> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 4:36 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Cisco CCNP books question
>
>
> I passed my CCDA today.  Thanks so much for all your help and support.
>
> Does anyone know what is the difference between the CCNP Certification
> Library and CCNP Preparation Library?  Which is better to use for
> studying the CCNP exams?
>
> CCNP Certification Library:
>
> CCNP Routing Exam Certification Guide
> CCNP Switching Exam Certification Guide
> CCNP Remote Access Exam Certification Guide
> CCNP Support Exam Certification Guide
>
> CCNP Preparation Library:
>
> Building Scalable Cisco Networks
> Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks
> Building Cisco Remote Access Networks
> Cisco Internetwork Troubleshooting
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> Hunt Lee
> IP Solution Anaylst
> Cable and Wireless (Sydney)
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Re: Cisco CCNP books question

2001-02-08 Thread James Garner

Also, Make sure that you get the 2nd edition (Oct 2000)

I was looking the other day and ecampus had the best price, but they are
currently out of stock.
Keep checking there or the www.addall.com site.

Cheers,
Jay


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Re: Cisco CCNP books question

2001-02-08 Thread James Garner

First of all CONGRATULATIONS

I'm currently studying for the CCDA.
What resources did you use to study?
I have these:
 Designing Cisco Networks - Teare
 CCDA Exam Certification Guide - Bruno
 Top-Down Network Design - Oppenheimer
 Cisco Certified Design Associate - Lammle
 A bunch of "study guides" I gathered from the net.
Which I think is to much information.

Were the case studys on the CCDA test similar to any that you had seen
before?

After the CCDA, I plan to pursue the CCNP, CCDP.
I passed the switching test using the BCMSN from the CCNP Prep Library (Very
Good)
I would recommend buying the Library (4 vol set)...
Check www.addall.com for best prices on the web:
http://www.addall.com/New/compare.cgi?dispCurr=USD&id=3600&isbn=1587050137&l
ocation=1&thetime=20010208160156&state=VA

Good luck!
Thanks
-Jay.

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> I passed my CCDA today. Thanks so much for all your help and support.
>
> Does anyone know what is the difference between the CCNP Certification
> Library and CCNP Preparation Library? Which is better to use for
> studying the CCNP exams?
>
> CCNP Certification Library:
>
> CCNP Routing Exam Certification Guide
> CCNP Switching Exam Certification Guide
> CCNP Remote Access Exam Certification Guide
> CCNP Support Exam Certification Guide
>
> CCNP Preparation Library:
>
> Building Scalable Cisco Networks
> Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks
> Building Cisco Remote Access Networks
> Cisco Internetwork Troubleshooting
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> Hunt Lee
> IP Solution Anaylst
> Cable and Wireless (Sydney)
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Re: Cisco CCNP books question

2001-02-08 Thread Andy Barkl

Just buy them both. You'll need them.

At 06:36 AM 2/9/2001 +1100, Hunt Lee wrote:
>I passed my CCDA today.  Thanks so much for all your help and support.
>
>Does anyone know what is the difference between the CCNP Certification
>Library and CCNP Preparation Library?  Which is better to use for
>studying the CCNP exams?
>
>CCNP Certification Library:
>
>CCNP Routing Exam Certification Guide
>CCNP Switching Exam Certification Guide
>CCNP Remote Access Exam Certification Guide
>CCNP Support Exam Certification Guide
>
>CCNP Preparation Library:
>
>Building Scalable Cisco Networks
>Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks
>Building Cisco Remote Access Networks
>Cisco Internetwork Troubleshooting
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Regards,
>Hunt Lee
>IP Solution Anaylst
>Cable and Wireless (Sydney)
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Cisco CCNP books question

2001-02-08 Thread Hunt Lee

I passed my CCDA today.  Thanks so much for all your help and support.

Does anyone know what is the difference between the CCNP Certification
Library and CCNP Preparation Library?  Which is better to use for
studying the CCNP exams?

CCNP Certification Library:

CCNP Routing Exam Certification Guide
CCNP Switching Exam Certification Guide
CCNP Remote Access Exam Certification Guide
CCNP Support Exam Certification Guide

CCNP Preparation Library:

Building Scalable Cisco Networks
Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks
Building Cisco Remote Access Networks
Cisco Internetwork Troubleshooting

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Hunt Lee
IP Solution Anaylst
Cable and Wireless (Sydney)

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Re: Can I use old CCNP books for CCNP 2.0 ?

2001-01-31 Thread Traceroute

I would think they would be valuable for the basics but check the objectives
for the new exams and get the proper materials for those new objectives not
covered in 1.0. This method could save you some $...
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> Hi all,
>
> I found a CCNP set of Cisco Press ACRC, BCRAN, CLSC,
> CIT books. Can I use those books for new CCNP exams ?
> And what other topics do I need to study in addition
> to that?
>
> Alec,
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Re: Can I use old CCNP books for CCNP 2.0 ?

2001-01-31 Thread netlinesys

Hello there,

I think BCRAN and CIT are ok .
for BCSN you need to have the knowledge of ACRC ( check the exam outlines to
know what to read  from this book ) &  you need know BGP .
for BCMSN you need to have the knowledge of CLSC ( check the exam outlines
to know what to read  from this book  ) & multicasting .
but the best think is to get the book which are relevant to the exam I will
say.

I hope that will help

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Can I use old CCNP books for CCNP 2.0 ?

2001-01-31 Thread Alec Smiths

Hi all,

I found a CCNP set of Cisco Press ACRC, BCRAN, CLSC,
CIT books. Can I use those books for new CCNP exams ?
And what other topics do I need to study in addition
to that? 

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RE: CCNP Books

2001-01-30 Thread Brandon Rose

Actually I'm one of the people that would much -prefer- to read a PDF over a
book.  If I purchase a technical book that has the entire text in PDF
format, the only time I actually open the book itself is to get at the CD.

There are obvious piracy problems when the contents of a $50 book are
available as a PDF, which is a little disappointing.  Seeing as I work for a
video game publisher I see quite clearly how damaging piracy is to a
publisher.

Think of some of the heftier Cisco Press books from the CCIE development
series.  I'd gladly pay $60 for a complete PDF I can read anywhere and keep
as reference anywhere instead of paying $60 to have to lug a 20 lb book
around!

Call me crazy, but using a CD-R as opposed to renting a U-haul to transport
my library from home to the office is a bit more appealing.

Just some thoughts,
Brandon


> -Original Message-
> From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 2:02 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: CCNP Books
> 
> 
> Just want to put in a couple words on a topic I feel 
> passionate about. If 
> people are converting copyrighted books to PDF and giving 
> them away or 
> selling them, that's illegal, unethical, and stupid.
> 
> Obviously the publishing industry needs to come up with ways 
> to get books 
> to people in formats other than paper, at prices that are 
> affordable around 
> the world, not just in wealthy Silicon Valley. However, the 
> publishing 
> industry will not be able to innovate if people don't pay for 
> what they 
> use. Also, as Howard says, authors will stop creating works 
> if they can't 
> make money on them. So, you're just screwing yourselves when 
> you obtain 
> illegal copies of books, movies, and yes, even music.
> 
> I think the mentality that it's OK to steal comes from young 
> people who 
> haven't yet created anything. I help out in our local high school in 
> computer classes. I see the light bulbs go on when I tell my 
> kids, "Ten 
> years from now, it may be you creating that cool, new game or 
> video or 
> software application. And you may have spent years and tons 
> of money to 
> produce it. How will you feel if people steal it instead of 
> paying for it?"
> 
> Usually the kids think about that for a while and see my 
> point. One kid 
> told me, "I'm not going to create anything. I just want to be 
> a computer 
> technician." That was the saddest thing I've heard.
> 
> I think it's good that we use this list every so often to 
> remind people 
> that some resources are not free.
> 
> OK, let's get back to technical stuff now! &;-)
> 
> Priscilla

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RE: CCNP Books

2001-01-30 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

Just want to put in a couple words on a topic I feel passionate about. If 
people are converting copyrighted books to PDF and giving them away or 
selling them, that's illegal, unethical, and stupid.

Obviously the publishing industry needs to come up with ways to get books 
to people in formats other than paper, at prices that are affordable around 
the world, not just in wealthy Silicon Valley. However, the publishing 
industry will not be able to innovate if people don't pay for what they 
use. Also, as Howard says, authors will stop creating works if they can't 
make money on them. So, you're just screwing yourselves when you obtain 
illegal copies of books, movies, and yes, even music.

I think the mentality that it's OK to steal comes from young people who 
haven't yet created anything. I help out in our local high school in 
computer classes. I see the light bulbs go on when I tell my kids, "Ten 
years from now, it may be you creating that cool, new game or video or 
software application. And you may have spent years and tons of money to 
produce it. How will you feel if people steal it instead of paying for it?"

Usually the kids think about that for a while and see my point. One kid 
told me, "I'm not going to create anything. I just want to be a computer 
technician." That was the saddest thing I've heard.

I think it's good that we use this list every so often to remind people 
that some resources are not free.

OK, let's get back to technical stuff now! &;-)

Priscilla

At 10:15 AM 1/30/01, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
> >And why should they be banned.I thought the whole purpose of this list is to
> >help people pass there Cisco exams not preach about copyright laws etc.If
> >you personally don't wish to read mails about PDF requests then ignore
> >them,don't let it bother you mate.Lifes to short,get abit more of a life.
> >Air your fews on 'Points of View'They like moaners !
> >
> >Bob
>
>Hey, a really good way to be sure to pass is take over the testing
>center at gunpoint, hack into the computers for the correct answers,
>enter them, and pass your written.  For the lab tests, have your
>armed retainers control the proctors and be sure they understand that
>if they tell anyone that your experience was at all unusual, sooner
>or later someone would ravish their sheep and slaughter their women.
>
>But I would hope that such an approach doesn't appeal to many, as
>it's both unethical and stupid -- stupid in that it's a way to kill
>off the program.
>
>Ripping off copyrighted materials is also unethical and stupid.
>Originally, I negotiated with Cisco Press for my first couple of
>books, but cancelled the contract due to some (no longer requested)
>Cisco requirements that the text essentially be free to anyone with a
>Smartnet contract, as well as some other provisions that simply
>didn't make it financially viable.
>
>If, as an author and certification study provider, I can make no
>money at it, I'm not going to produce more materials.  That's not to
>say that I won't work with individuals, but only where there is a
>reason to. (hmmm....now that I've finished my divorce)
>
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:46 AM
> >To: Robert Nickson
> >Cc: Tariq; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: CCNP Books
> >
> >
> >
> >I propose the word [pdf/PDF] are banned from this list.
> >
> >andy
> >
> >On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Robert Nickson wrote:
> >
> >>  Thats right 
> >>  Can you send PDF books to me also !!
> >>
> >>  Cheers
> >>  Bob
> >>
> >>  -Original Message-
> >>  From: Tariq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>  Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 1:00 PM
> >>  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>  Subject: CCNP Books
> >>
> >>
> >>  Hello Everybody.
> >>
> >>  I am watching this news group from last 3/4 weeks.
> >>  Most of the people here are talking about CCNA PDF Files.
> >>  It seems that CCNA Guys are trying to help each other and they are 
> sharing
> >>  their PDF files (E-Books).
> >>
> >>  Now I want to ask from everybody that if anybody have CCNP PDF Files than
> >we
> >>  can start sharing of our resources and exam experience. I am 
> interested in
> >>  Routing PDF File. If you have please forward it to me
> >>
> >>  Thanks
> >>
> >>  Tariq
> >>
> >>  _
> >>  FAQ, li

RE: Study Materials (was: CCNP Books )

2001-01-30 Thread Buri, Heather H

Brian,

I have to admit, I actually find the real world scenarios the most
interesting.  When I first joined, I thought this was a list strictly
devoted to the various exams and studying but I was (pleasantly) surprised
to find that there are many actual cases posted here as well.

Thanks,

Heather Buri 

-Original Message-
From: Brian Lodwick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 10:33 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Study Materials (was: CCNP Books )



If you want illegal software and cracks for pirated software ~~ go to crack 
sites.

If you want book reviews ~~ go to Amazon.com (their reveiws are awesome)

If you want to learn about real world scenarios, can't figure something out,

want to expand upon certification topics, need help understanding areas, 
stuff like that the groupstudy list is great. There are a bunch of really 
awesome resources here!
  I would suggest for certifications, buy the books and read them. If you 
don't understand something, try to research it, and if you still can't 
figure it out write to the list. That way atleast you can approach the list 
and get the most out of it. I enjoy reading other peoples e-mails. You can 
see real world issues and their fix (which can often prove extremely usefull

when you encounter the same issue). For what it's worth that's my 2 cents.

>>>Brian




>From: "Buri, Heather H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Buri, Heather H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Andy'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: Study Materials (was:  CCNP Books )
>Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:54:20 -0600
>
>Hi.
>
>I have a question regarding this.  Are these links posted anywhere, perhaps
>on the groupstudy.com site in the form of FAQ's or something?  I am always
>interested in links to study materials as well.  Obviously, I don't want to
>use anything copyrighted or illegal.  I am fairly new here, so I have been
>fairly quiet as I am trying to get a feel of the group and what is and is
>not allowed.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Heather Buri
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 3:20 AM
>To: Adam Hickey
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: CCNP Books
>
>
>
>On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Adam Hickey wrote:
>
> > Actually, I have to correct only one point made in the response below.
>There
> > are a lot of people who are too lazy to search things out on the 
>internet
> > here. That is why we keep getting numerous questions that are answered
> > either on cisco.com or the archives of the site. So this "send me free
> > stuff" isn't surprising.
> > Admittedly, I love free stuff too and will gladly take any help I can 
>get
> > provided I am not breaking any rules. So unless these PDF's that are 
>being
> > spoken of aren't copyrighted, I don't see the harm here.
>
>Posting links to legal free stuff is fine. The continual asking for it
>coupled with the many "me too's" that follow is not.
>
>andy
>
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RE: Study Materials (was: CCNP Books )

2001-01-30 Thread Brian Lodwick


If you want illegal software and cracks for pirated software ~~ go to crack 
sites.

If you want book reviews ~~ go to Amazon.com (their reveiws are awesome)

If you want to learn about real world scenarios, can't figure something out, 
want to expand upon certification topics, need help understanding areas, 
stuff like that the groupstudy list is great. There are a bunch of really 
awesome resources here!
  I would suggest for certifications, buy the books and read them. If you 
don't understand something, try to research it, and if you still can't 
figure it out write to the list. That way atleast you can approach the list 
and get the most out of it. I enjoy reading other peoples e-mails. You can 
see real world issues and their fix (which can often prove extremely usefull 
when you encounter the same issue). For what it's worth that's my 2 cents.

>>>Brian




>From: "Buri, Heather H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Buri, Heather H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Andy'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: Study Materials (was:  CCNP Books )
>Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:54:20 -0600
>
>Hi.
>
>I have a question regarding this.  Are these links posted anywhere, perhaps
>on the groupstudy.com site in the form of FAQ's or something?  I am always
>interested in links to study materials as well.  Obviously, I don't want to
>use anything copyrighted or illegal.  I am fairly new here, so I have been
>fairly quiet as I am trying to get a feel of the group and what is and is
>not allowed.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Heather Buri
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 3:20 AM
>To: Adam Hickey
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: CCNP Books
>
>
>
>On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Adam Hickey wrote:
>
> > Actually, I have to correct only one point made in the response below.
>There
> > are a lot of people who are too lazy to search things out on the 
>internet
> > here. That is why we keep getting numerous questions that are answered
> > either on cisco.com or the archives of the site. So this "send me free
> > stuff" isn't surprising.
> > Admittedly, I love free stuff too and will gladly take any help I can 
>get
> > provided I am not breaking any rules. So unless these PDF's that are 
>being
> > spoken of aren't copyrighted, I don't see the harm here.
>
>Posting links to legal free stuff is fine. The continual asking for it
>coupled with the many "me too's" that follow is not.
>
>andy
>
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Re: CCNP Books

2001-01-30 Thread AWTroxell

Interestingly, a certain "artistic style" web site that was mentioned in the 
past week as a source of *free* downloads of copyrighted material is no 
longer up.  I wonder who squealed?

More things that make you go "Hm..."

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RE: Study Materials (was: CCNP Books )

2001-01-30 Thread Andy

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Buri, Heather H wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> I have a question regarding this.  Are these links posted anywhere, perhaps
> on the groupstudy.com site in the form of FAQ's or something?  I am always
> interested in links to study materials as well.  Obviously, I don't want to
> use anything copyrighted or illegal.  I am fairly new here, so I have been
> fairly quiet as I am trying to get a feel of the group and what is and is
> not allowed.

There are hundreds of websites with information that you need to pass the
tests, cisco's being the largest. There are also some central 
repositories, such as certificationzone or networkstudyguides which charge
a nominal fee to cover the expense. There are also some free one's. The
bottom line is its all out there and one person can do a web search as
easy another another to find it. Being resourceful is one of the most
important qualities of being a Cisco professional. Its diverse enough that
you really do need to find your own way because someone can't simply post
up all the answers (literally and figuratively) that you need.

andy

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Re: CCNP Books

2001-01-30 Thread NeoLink2000

For now on try to send these requests and topics to the CCNA study list where they 
belong. Thanks...

Mark Z.

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RE: Study Materials (was: CCNP Books )

2001-01-30 Thread Buri, Heather H

Hi.

I have a question regarding this.  Are these links posted anywhere, perhaps
on the groupstudy.com site in the form of FAQ's or something?  I am always
interested in links to study materials as well.  Obviously, I don't want to
use anything copyrighted or illegal.  I am fairly new here, so I have been
fairly quiet as I am trying to get a feel of the group and what is and is
not allowed.

Thanks,

Heather Buri

-Original Message-
From: Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 3:20 AM
To: Adam Hickey
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CCNP Books



On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Adam Hickey wrote:

> Actually, I have to correct only one point made in the response below.
There
> are a lot of people who are too lazy to search things out on the internet
> here. That is why we keep getting numerous questions that are answered
> either on cisco.com or the archives of the site. So this "send me free
> stuff" isn't surprising.
> Admittedly, I love free stuff too and will gladly take any help I can get
> provided I am not breaking any rules. So unless these PDF's that are being
> spoken of aren't copyrighted, I don't see the harm here.

Posting links to legal free stuff is fine. The continual asking for it
coupled with the many "me too's" that follow is not.

andy

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RE: CCNP Books

2001-01-30 Thread Ole Drews Jensen

I think it comes down to a very simple rule:

The purpose of this list is to help each other with Cisco studies the LEGAL
way - not the ILLEGAL way.

If you really want to cheat and you can't find the cracked codes or illegal
copies of whatever you're looking for on the Internet - you're probably not
smart enough to pass any of these tests anyway.

Please let's help each other the RIGHT way.

My $.02,

Ole


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-Original Message-
From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 9:15 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: CCNP Books


>And why should they be banned.I thought the whole purpose of this list is
to
>help people pass there Cisco exams not preach about copyright laws etc.If
>you personally don't wish to read mails about PDF requests then ignore
>them,don't let it bother you mate.Lifes to short,get abit more of a life.
>Air your fews on 'Points of View'They like moaners !
>
>Bob

Hey, a really good way to be sure to pass is take over the testing 
center at gunpoint, hack into the computers for the correct answers, 
enter them, and pass your written.  For the lab tests, have your 
armed retainers control the proctors and be sure they understand that 
if they tell anyone that your experience was at all unusual, sooner 
or later someone would ravish their sheep and slaughter their women.

But I would hope that such an approach doesn't appeal to many, as 
it's both unethical and stupid -- stupid in that it's a way to kill 
off the program.

Ripping off copyrighted materials is also unethical and stupid. 
Originally, I negotiated with Cisco Press for my first couple of 
books, but cancelled the contract due to some (no longer requested) 
Cisco requirements that the text essentially be free to anyone with a 
Smartnet contract, as well as some other provisions that simply 
didn't make it financially viable.

If, as an author and certification study provider, I can make no 
money at it, I'm not going to produce more materials.  That's not to 
say that I won't work with individuals, but only where there is a 
reason to. (hmmmnow that I've finished my divorce)

>
>-Original Message-
>From: Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:46 AM
>To: Robert Nickson
>Cc: Tariq; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: CCNP Books
>
>
>
>I propose the word [pdf/PDF] are banned from this list.
>
>andy
>
>On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Robert Nickson wrote:
>
>>  Thats right 
>>  Can you send PDF books to me also !!
>>
>>  Cheers
>>  Bob
>>
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: Tariq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>  Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 1:00 PM
>>  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>  Subject: CCNP Books
>>
>>
>>  Hello Everybody.
>>
>>  I am watching this news group from last 3/4 weeks.
>>  Most of the people here are talking about CCNA PDF Files.
>>  It seems that CCNA Guys are trying to help each other and they are
sharing
>>  their PDF files (E-Books).
>>
>>  Now I want to ask from everybody that if anybody have CCNP PDF Files
than
>we
>>  can start sharing of our resources and exam experience. I am interested
in
>>  Routing PDF File. If you have please forward it to me
>>
>>  Thanks
>>
>>  Tariq
>>
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Re: CCNP Books

2001-01-30 Thread Adam Hickey

Actually, I have to correct only one point made in the response below. There
are a lot of people who are too lazy to search things out on the internet
here. That is why we keep getting numerous questions that are answered
either on cisco.com or the archives of the site. So this "send me free
stuff" isn't surprising.
Admittedly, I love free stuff too and will gladly take any help I can get
provided I am not breaking any rules. So unless these PDF's that are being
spoken of aren't copyrighted, I don't see the harm here.

My $.02

Adam Hickey
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- Original Message -
From: "Andy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Robert Nickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Tariq" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 12:21 AM
Subject: RE: CCNP Books


>
> Because your contribution of 'send me free stuff too' is not something
> that enriches the group nor helps one reach their goal of completing their
> cisco certifications. There are plenty of repositories of Cisco
> information across the net for you to peruse. Once the list degenerates
> into 'send me free stuff too' then it is no longer useful. Most everyone
> on this list is choosing to work hard, search the web for the information
> they need, making a fiscal investment for the equipment and sacrificing
> their time and lives to achieve these certifications. To have their time
> wasted with your lazy 'send me free stuff too' request is the pinacle of
> everything this list does not stand for. Try to stay focused in your
> response next time also. I never mentioned anything about copyright, and
> you rather trailed off into a mess of insults to the point they didn't
> even make sense.  Even a private reply would be appropriate.
>
> andy
>
>
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Robert Nickson wrote:
>
> > And why should they be banned.I thought the whole purpose of this list
is to
> > help people pass there Cisco exams not preach about copyright laws
etc.If
> > you personally don't wish to read mails about PDF requests then ignore
> > them,don't let it bother you mate.Lifes to short,get abit more of a
life.
> > Air your fews on 'Points of View'They like moaners !
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:46 AM
> > To: Robert Nickson
> > Cc: Tariq; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: CCNP Books
> >
> >
> >
> > I propose the word [pdf/PDF] are banned from this list.
> >
> > andy
> >
> > On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Robert Nickson wrote:
> >
> > > Thats right 
> > > Can you send PDF books to me also !!
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Bob
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Tariq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 1:00 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: CCNP Books
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello Everybody.
> > >
> > > I am watching this news group from last 3/4 weeks.
> > > Most of the people here are talking about CCNA PDF Files.
> > > It seems that CCNA Guys are trying to help each other and they are
sharing
> > > their PDF files (E-Books).
> > >
> > > Now I want to ask from everybody that if anybody have CCNP PDF Files
than
> > we
> > > can start sharing of our resources and exam experience. I am
interested in
> > > Routing PDF File. If you have please forward it to me
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Tariq
> > >
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Re: CCNP Books

2001-01-30 Thread Andy


On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Adam Hickey wrote:

> Actually, I have to correct only one point made in the response below. There
> are a lot of people who are too lazy to search things out on the internet
> here. That is why we keep getting numerous questions that are answered
> either on cisco.com or the archives of the site. So this "send me free
> stuff" isn't surprising.
> Admittedly, I love free stuff too and will gladly take any help I can get
> provided I am not breaking any rules. So unless these PDF's that are being
> spoken of aren't copyrighted, I don't see the harm here.

Posting links to legal free stuff is fine. The continual asking for it
coupled with the many "me too's" that follow is not.

andy

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Re: CCNP Books

2001-01-30 Thread netlinesys

Teri,

Maybe you should buy the book , so you can get PDF files with it ( I think
all CISCO certification guides got the book in pdf format  ).  :)


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>
> I am watching this news group from last 3/4 weeks.
> Most of the people here are talking about CCNA PDF Files.
> It seems that CCNA Guys are trying to help each other and they are sharing
> their PDF files (E-Books).
>
> Now I want to ask from everybody that if anybody have CCNP PDF Files than
we
> can start sharing of our resources and exam experience. I am interested in
> Routing PDF File. If you have please forward it to me
>
> Thanks
>
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RE: CCNP Books

2001-01-30 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz

>And why should they be banned.I thought the whole purpose of this list is to
>help people pass there Cisco exams not preach about copyright laws etc.If
>you personally don't wish to read mails about PDF requests then ignore
>them,don't let it bother you mate.Lifes to short,get abit more of a life.
>Air your fews on 'Points of View'They like moaners !
>
>Bob

Hey, a really good way to be sure to pass is take over the testing 
center at gunpoint, hack into the computers for the correct answers, 
enter them, and pass your written.  For the lab tests, have your 
armed retainers control the proctors and be sure they understand that 
if they tell anyone that your experience was at all unusual, sooner 
or later someone would ravish their sheep and slaughter their women.

But I would hope that such an approach doesn't appeal to many, as 
it's both unethical and stupid -- stupid in that it's a way to kill 
off the program.

Ripping off copyrighted materials is also unethical and stupid. 
Originally, I negotiated with Cisco Press for my first couple of 
books, but cancelled the contract due to some (no longer requested) 
Cisco requirements that the text essentially be free to anyone with a 
Smartnet contract, as well as some other provisions that simply 
didn't make it financially viable.

If, as an author and certification study provider, I can make no 
money at it, I'm not going to produce more materials.  That's not to 
say that I won't work with individuals, but only where there is a 
reason to. (hmmmnow that I've finished my divorce)

>
>-Original Message-
>From: Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:46 AM
>To: Robert Nickson
>Cc: Tariq; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: CCNP Books
>
>
>
>I propose the word [pdf/PDF] are banned from this list.
>
>andy
>
>On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Robert Nickson wrote:
>
>>  Thats right 
>>  Can you send PDF books to me also !!
>>
>>  Cheers
>>  Bob
>>
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: Tariq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>  Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 1:00 PM
>>  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>  Subject: CCNP Books
>>
>>
>>  Hello Everybody.
>>
>>  I am watching this news group from last 3/4 weeks.
>>  Most of the people here are talking about CCNA PDF Files.
>>  It seems that CCNA Guys are trying to help each other and they are sharing
>>  their PDF files (E-Books).
>>
>>  Now I want to ask from everybody that if anybody have CCNP PDF Files than
>we
>>  can start sharing of our resources and exam experience. I am interested in
>>  Routing PDF File. If you have please forward it to me
>>
>>  Thanks
>>
>>  Tariq
>>
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RE: CCNP Books

2001-01-30 Thread Andy


Because your contribution of 'send me free stuff too' is not something
that enriches the group nor helps one reach their goal of completing their
cisco certifications. There are plenty of repositories of Cisco
information across the net for you to peruse. Once the list degenerates
into 'send me free stuff too' then it is no longer useful. Most everyone
on this list is choosing to work hard, search the web for the information
they need, making a fiscal investment for the equipment and sacrificing
their time and lives to achieve these certifications. To have their time
wasted with your lazy 'send me free stuff too' request is the pinacle of
everything this list does not stand for. Try to stay focused in your
response next time also. I never mentioned anything about copyright, and
you rather trailed off into a mess of insults to the point they didn't
even make sense.  Even a private reply would be appropriate.

andy


On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Robert Nickson wrote:

> And why should they be banned.I thought the whole purpose of this list is to
> help people pass there Cisco exams not preach about copyright laws etc.If
> you personally don't wish to read mails about PDF requests then ignore
> them,don't let it bother you mate.Lifes to short,get abit more of a life.
> Air your fews on 'Points of View'They like moaners !
> 
> Bob
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:46 AM
> To: Robert Nickson
> Cc: Tariq; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: CCNP Books
> 
> 
> 
> I propose the word [pdf/PDF] are banned from this list.
> 
> andy
> 
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Robert Nickson wrote:
> 
> > Thats right 
> > Can you send PDF books to me also !!
> > 
> > Cheers
> > Bob
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Tariq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 1:00 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: CCNP Books
> > 
> > 
> > Hello Everybody.
> > 
> > I am watching this news group from last 3/4 weeks.
> > Most of the people here are talking about CCNA PDF Files.
> > It seems that CCNA Guys are trying to help each other and they are sharing
> > their PDF files (E-Books).
> > 
> > Now I want to ask from everybody that if anybody have CCNP PDF Files than
> we
> > can start sharing of our resources and exam experience. I am interested in
> > Routing PDF File. If you have please forward it to me
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
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RE: CCNP Books

2001-01-30 Thread Robert Nickson

And why should they be banned.I thought the whole purpose of this list is to
help people pass there Cisco exams not preach about copyright laws etc.If
you personally don't wish to read mails about PDF requests then ignore
them,don't let it bother you mate.Lifes to short,get abit more of a life.
Air your fews on 'Points of View'They like moaners !

Bob

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To: Robert Nickson
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I propose the word [pdf/PDF] are banned from this list.

andy

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Robert Nickson wrote:

> Thats right 
> Can you send PDF books to me also !!
> 
> Cheers
> Bob
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tariq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 1:00 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: CCNP Books
> 
> 
> Hello Everybody.
> 
> I am watching this news group from last 3/4 weeks.
> Most of the people here are talking about CCNA PDF Files.
> It seems that CCNA Guys are trying to help each other and they are sharing
> their PDF files (E-Books).
> 
> Now I want to ask from everybody that if anybody have CCNP PDF Files than
we
> can start sharing of our resources and exam experience. I am interested in
> Routing PDF File. If you have please forward it to me
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tariq
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RE: CCNP Books

2001-01-30 Thread Andy


I propose the word [pdf/PDF] are banned from this list.

andy

On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, Robert Nickson wrote:

> Thats right 
> Can you send PDF books to me also !!
> 
> Cheers
> Bob
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tariq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 1:00 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: CCNP Books
> 
> 
> Hello Everybody.
> 
> I am watching this news group from last 3/4 weeks.
> Most of the people here are talking about CCNA PDF Files.
> It seems that CCNA Guys are trying to help each other and they are sharing
> their PDF files (E-Books).
> 
> Now I want to ask from everybody that if anybody have CCNP PDF Files than we
> can start sharing of our resources and exam experience. I am interested in
> Routing PDF File. If you have please forward it to me
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tariq
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RE: CCNP Books

2001-01-30 Thread Tariq

Nothing wrong with a book.
But PDF Files are portable. You can save PDF files in your laptop and you
can read your books in your office / home / traveling and even in coffee
shops.

Thanks

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Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 8:26 AM
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What's wrong with a book?

>>>Brian


>From: "Tariq" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Tariq" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: CCNP Books
>Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:59:33 -0500
>
>Hello Everybody.
>
>I am watching this news group from last 3/4 weeks.
>Most of the people here are talking about CCNA PDF Files.
>It seems that CCNA Guys are trying to help each other and they are sharing
>their PDF files (E-Books).
>
>Now I want to ask from everybody that if anybody have CCNP PDF Files than
>we
>can start sharing of our resources and exam experience. I am interested in
>Routing PDF File. If you have please forward it to me
>
>Thanks
>
>Tariq
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Re: CCNP Books

2001-01-30 Thread Brian Lodwick

What's wrong with a book?

>>>Brian


>From: "Tariq" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Tariq" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: CCNP Books
>Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:59:33 -0500
>
>Hello Everybody.
>
>I am watching this news group from last 3/4 weeks.
>Most of the people here are talking about CCNA PDF Files.
>It seems that CCNA Guys are trying to help each other and they are sharing
>their PDF files (E-Books).
>
>Now I want to ask from everybody that if anybody have CCNP PDF Files than 
>we
>can start sharing of our resources and exam experience. I am interested in
>Routing PDF File. If you have please forward it to me
>
>Thanks
>
>Tariq
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RE: CCNP Books

2001-01-30 Thread Robert Nickson

Thats right 
Can you send PDF books to me also !!

Cheers
Bob

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 1:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CCNP Books


Hello Everybody.

I am watching this news group from last 3/4 weeks.
Most of the people here are talking about CCNA PDF Files.
It seems that CCNA Guys are trying to help each other and they are sharing
their PDF files (E-Books).

Now I want to ask from everybody that if anybody have CCNP PDF Files than we
can start sharing of our resources and exam experience. I am interested in
Routing PDF File. If you have please forward it to me

Thanks

Tariq

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2001-01-30 Thread Tariq

Hello Everybody.

I am watching this news group from last 3/4 weeks.
Most of the people here are talking about CCNA PDF Files.
It seems that CCNA Guys are trying to help each other and they are sharing
their PDF files (E-Books).

Now I want to ask from everybody that if anybody have CCNP PDF Files than we
can start sharing of our resources and exam experience. I am interested in
Routing PDF File. If you have please forward it to me

Thanks

Tariq

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RE: Cisco Press Certification Guides vs. Cisco Press Regular CCNP Books

2001-01-15 Thread sam adams

I like the doyle book on tcp/ip and halabi's bgp book.  I am using those for
the exam.

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Subject: Cisco Press Certification Guides vs. Cisco Press Regular CCNP
Books


Hi Group,

As far as passing the CCNP is concerned (vs. dealing with real-life
issues)

Does anyone have any experience with:

CCNP Remote Access Exam Certification Guide - Brian Morgan, Nov. 2000
CCNP Support Exam Certification Guide - Amir Ranjbar, Nov. 2000

vs.

Building Cisco Remote Access Networks - Dan Farkas, Dec. 1999
Cisco Internetwork Troubleshooting - Catherine Paquet, Jun. 1999

I only want to read 1 book for Remote Access 2.0 and 1 book for Support 2.0.
I was thinking the Nov. 2000 books may be more up to date with the new 2.0
CCNP track vs. the old 1.0 track?

- Jennifer Mellone

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Re: Cisco Press Certification Guides vs. Cisco Press Regular CCNP Books

2001-01-15 Thread william yuwono

Hi Jennifer,

I think if you only need to pass the exam, you can read :

Building Cisco Remote Access Networks - , Catherine Paquet, Dec. 1999
Cisco Internetwork Troubleshooting - Dan Farkas, Jun. 1999.

You will be pass the exam if you understand the concept. and I think they
also
good guide for real conditions.

I only read the above books to pass the Exam. I nover read the others book
so I have no comment for those book.

I hope that help

william
- Original Message -
From: Jennifer Mellone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 11:03 AM
Subject: Cisco Press Certification Guides vs. Cisco Press Regular CCNP Books


> Hi Group,
>
> As far as passing the CCNP is concerned (vs. dealing with real-life
> issues)
>
> Does anyone have any experience with:
>
> CCNP Remote Access Exam Certification Guide - Brian Morgan, Nov. 2000
> CCNP Support Exam Certification Guide - Amir Ranjbar, Nov. 2000
>
> vs.
>
> Building Cisco Remote Access Networks - Dan Farkas, Dec. 1999
> Cisco Internetwork Troubleshooting - Catherine Paquet, Jun. 1999
>
> I only want to read 1 book for Remote Access 2.0 and 1 book for Support
2.0.
> I was thinking the Nov. 2000 books may be more up to date with the new 2.0
> CCNP track vs. the old 1.0 track?
>
> - Jennifer Mellone
>
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RE: Cisco Press Certification Guides vs. Cisco Press Regular CCNP Books

2001-01-15 Thread Glenn Johnson

y not http://www.ciscopress.com/book.cfm?book=52 as an option?

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Jennifer Mellone
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 2:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cisco Press Certification Guides vs. Cisco Press Regular CCNP
Books


Hi Group,

As far as passing the CCNP is concerned (vs. dealing with real-life
issues)

Does anyone have any experience with:

CCNP Remote Access Exam Certification Guide - Brian Morgan, Nov. 2000
CCNP Support Exam Certification Guide - Amir Ranjbar, Nov. 2000

vs.

Building Cisco Remote Access Networks - Dan Farkas, Dec. 1999
Cisco Internetwork Troubleshooting - Catherine Paquet, Jun. 1999

I only want to read 1 book for Remote Access 2.0 and 1 book for Support 2.0.
I was thinking the Nov. 2000 books may be more up to date with the new 2.0
CCNP track vs. the old 1.0 track?

- Jennifer Mellone

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Cisco Press Certification Guides vs. Cisco Press Regular CCNP Books

2001-01-15 Thread Jennifer Mellone

Hi Group,

As far as passing the CCNP is concerned (vs. dealing with real-life
issues)

Does anyone have any experience with:

CCNP Remote Access Exam Certification Guide - Brian Morgan, Nov. 2000
CCNP Support Exam Certification Guide - Amir Ranjbar, Nov. 2000

vs.

Building Cisco Remote Access Networks - Dan Farkas, Dec. 1999
Cisco Internetwork Troubleshooting - Catherine Paquet, Jun. 1999

I only want to read 1 book for Remote Access 2.0 and 1 book for Support 2.0.
I was thinking the Nov. 2000 books may be more up to date with the new 2.0
CCNP track vs. the old 1.0 track?

- Jennifer Mellone

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RE: CCNP books

2000-11-01 Thread Jon . E . Gudmundsson

His BCRAN book is excellent
Regards
Jon Eggert Gudmundsson
MCSE,CCNA,CCDA,Switching 2.0,Remote access 2.0
Network Administrator
Icelandic Banks Data Center


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I to am interested to hear peples thoughts on the cisco press books for CCNP
as the
archives only really had the Thomas II books covered.

Did any one find any improvement in those Thomas II books such as BSCN as
the others
copped a bagging???

Thanks

Rob O'Brien
CCNA
Canberra Australia

Study Cisco wrote:

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>
> I am looking for good books of CCNP
> Can any one help me in the same The books which are
> mentioned are they good books from Cisco Press
>
> Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks ( BCMSN )
> 605-504   - Cisco  Press
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> 605-505  - Cisco Press
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RE: CCNP books

2000-10-30 Thread Paul M. Immo

I've had good luck with the SYBEX Books.

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> am contemplating to wait for the Cisco direct print
> that we might get in our
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> you want to suggest new
> Ideas
> 
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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
> 
> I to am interested to hear peoples thoughts on the
> cisco press books for
> CCNP as the
> archives only really had the Thomas II books
> covered.
> 
> Did any one find any improvement in those Thomas II
> books such as BSCN
> as the others
> copped a bagging???
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Rob O'Brien
> CCNA
> Canberra Australia
> 
> Study Cisco wrote:
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> > Hi all
> >
> > I am looking for good books of CCNP
> > Can any one help me in the same The books which
> are
> > mentioned are they good books from Cisco Press
> >
> > Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks (
> BCMSN )
> > 605-504   - Cisco  Press
> > Building Cisco Remote Access Networks ( BCRAN )
> > 605-505  - Cisco Press
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RE: CCNP books

2000-10-26 Thread George . Adewale

Hi rob 

I have ask the question before and the reply was mostly a negative result, I
am contemplating to wait for the Cisco direct print that we might get in our
office soon then I will order a personal copy unless you want to suggest new
Ideas

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I to am interested to hear peoples thoughts on the cisco press books for
CCNP as the
archives only really had the Thomas II books covered.

Did any one find any improvement in those Thomas II books such as BSCN
as the others
copped a bagging???

Thanks

Rob O'Brien
CCNA
Canberra Australia

Study Cisco wrote:

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>
> I am looking for good books of CCNP
> Can any one help me in the same The books which are
> mentioned are they good books from Cisco Press
>
> Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks ( BCMSN )
> 605-504   - Cisco  Press
> Building Cisco Remote Access Networks ( BCRAN )
> 605-505  - Cisco Press
> Cisco Internetworking Troubleshooting  ( CIT )
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Re: CCNP books

2000-10-26 Thread Robert O'Brien

I to am interested to hear peoples thoughts on the cisco press books for
CCNP as the
archives only really had the Thomas II books covered.

Did any one find any improvement in those Thomas II books such as BSCN
as the others
copped a bagging???

Thanks

Rob O'Brien
CCNA
Canberra Australia

Study Cisco wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I am looking for good books of CCNP
> Can any one help me in the same The books which are
> mentioned are they good books from Cisco Press
>
> Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks ( BCMSN )
> 605-504   - Cisco  Press
> Building Cisco Remote Access Networks ( BCRAN )
> 605-505  - Cisco Press
> Cisco Internetworking Troubleshooting  ( CIT )
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Re: CCNP books

2000-10-26 Thread Robert O'Brien

I to am interested to hear peples thoughts on the cisco press books for CCNP as the
archives only really had the Thomas II books covered.

Did any one find any improvement in those Thomas II books such as BSCN as the others
copped a bagging???

Thanks

Rob O'Brien
CCNA
Canberra Australia

Study Cisco wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I am looking for good books of CCNP
> Can any one help me in the same The books which are
> mentioned are they good books from Cisco Press
>
> Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks ( BCMSN )
> 605-504   - Cisco  Press
> Building Cisco Remote Access Networks ( BCRAN )
> 605-505  - Cisco Press
> Cisco Internetworking Troubleshooting  ( CIT )
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CCNP books

2000-10-25 Thread Study Cisco

Hi all

I am looking for good books of CCNP
Can any one help me in the same The books which are
mentioned are they good books from Cisco Press


Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks ( BCMSN )
605-504   - Cisco  Press
Building Cisco Remote Access Networks ( BCRAN )
605-505  - Cisco Press
Cisco Internetworking Troubleshooting  ( CIT )
  605-506- Cisco Press




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Re: The new CCNP books??

2000-10-12 Thread Lowell Sharrah

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>>> "Kyle Sie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/11/00 11:31PM >>>
does anyone knows where I can purchase the new CCNP books online??  and 
which school is most recommended for CCNP training (New York City 
area)...thanks all!!   =)

~much respect
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The new CCNP books??

2000-10-11 Thread Kyle Sie

does anyone knows where I can purchase the new CCNP books online??  and 
which school is most recommended for CCNP training (New York City 
area)...thanks all!!   =)

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CCNP BOOKS

2000-07-19 Thread Shivdeep Singh

hi guys
   i passed my CCNA last week,i m bit confused should i
start CCNP2 or CCDA and any tips for finding  an entry level job,can u
name good books for CCNP2

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RE: Osborne CCNP books

2000-07-10 Thread William E Gragido

I have heard some good things about them, I know that their MCSE series was
pretty descent

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> Osborne has a set of four CCNP books.
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Osborne CCNP books

2000-07-10 Thread Ray Mosely

Osborne has a set of four CCNP books.
Any evaluations of these?

Thanks,
Ray M
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Re: New CCNP books ...

2000-06-16 Thread Ben Lovegrove

I keep an updated list here:

http://www.lovegrove.co.uk/bgl/books.htm

If anyone spots titles not included there, drop me a line.

Regards,
Ben
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Since the majority of the CCNP tests are going to be retired at the
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> July, are there any new books slated to be published in the very near
> future?  I noticed a new CLSC replacement on Amazon, but that was the
> only
> one.  Does Cisco Press have the new books for CCNP 2.0?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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New CCNP books ...

2000-06-16 Thread Hornbeck, Timothy

Since the majority of the CCNP tests are going to be retired at the end of
July, are there any new books slated to be published in the very near
future?  I noticed a new CLSC replacement on Amazon, but that was the only
one.  Does Cisco Press have the new books for CCNP 2.0?

Thanks,

Timothy J. Hornbeck

- The quality of a network is not based on complexity, but
  on its simplicity and adherence to solid fundamentals.

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