Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Captain, Curtis McDaniel via CnC-List]

Well I was quoted from 3 sail maker's they all within $500. of each other? 5.6 
dacron triple stitch. I have money to spend the $2,400. But why would I?  Maybe 
I'm missing something?


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message From: Paul Baker via CnC-List  Date: 
2/24/2016  8:22 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Paul Baker 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail 
Curtis, I think you perhaps have an unrealistic expectation of the cost of a 
sail, even from a cheap far east/offshore manufacturer.  The sails are almost 
all using US made cloth, and with the USD being fairly strong, that's a big 
chunk of extra cost there. Maybe a decent used sail might be an option for you?
Cheers,
Paul. 

Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 18:24:55 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: cpt.b...@gmail.com

Wow. I was quoted $1,800. I that that was too much. 


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message From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List  Date: 
2/24/2016  4:44 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Danny Haughey 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail 
Hi Andy,
 
Thank Joel!!
 
Correction I got the 
Challenge Marblehead / Fibre 104 Dacron
the sail, delivered was $3555 and they broke it into 3 payments for me.  From 
the completion of design to the delivery was 2 weeks!
 
I'm going to unroll it along side the rolly tasker tonight and take some photos.
 
Danny


-- Original Message --
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To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:34:56 -0500






How much was it, Danny?


Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Hello all,


I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!  I'll be 
unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to order online 
from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri Lanka from what I 
can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
 
My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I plan 
on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new seeming 
Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to know if I got 
what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of pics if anyone 
would be interested.
 
Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
 
Danny
T40
Rum Runner IV
Mattapoisett, MA

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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I think that rolly and precision offer several price points.  I didn't want to 
go low budget either.  I bet rolly builds a great sail if you pay them to!On 
Feb 24, 2016 9:46 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List  wrote:
>
> Danny,
>
> I have a Rolly offshore series.  It sounds more like your new jib than your 
> old one.  I don't believe in buying the cheapest sails.
>
> Joel
>
> On Wednesday, February 24, 2016, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>>
>> OK I just did look see, I compared to both the old rolly tasker and the Neil 
>> Pryde main sail. 
>>
>> The Rolly Tasker was the poorest quality.  There was no reinforcing on the 
>> corners except some belting straps.
>>  
>> Both the Neil pride and the Precision sail had built up corner patching as 
>> well as the belting straps.
>>
>> the Neil Pryde was certainly a better sail than the Rolly, but still nowhere 
>> near the quality of the workmanship on the Precision Sail. 
>>
>> I don't know how many times I said Wow or holy crap this is really amazing, 
>> or I can't believe the quality, it's really a great sail. So, part of the 
>> problem with me is I don't really know a lot about Sails or Sail 
>> construction. My experience with sails and sail making is minimal and even I 
>> could see the quality that went into the construction of this sale.  I wish 
>> I had inspected the Quantum sails I bought for Lolita mre closely.  But 
>> again, I didn't know what to look for anyway.  They were good sails though 
>> but, I don't think I got the same quality of cloth as this precision.  
>>  
>> The Precision sail has quadruple stitching on all the panels, double 
>> stitching on the sun cover, substantially more material at the corner 
>> patches and they used sunbrealla for the sun cover and the  
>> UV Protected Waxed Tenara Thread.  I added a bunch of extra like an Offshore 
>> Package, the sunbrella, ans some other stuff I don't recall right now.  the 
>> sail cloth, again is Challenge 8oz Marblehead Cloth.
>>  
>> Precision offered me 3 quotes.  A 300 series at $2221, a 400 series at 
>> $2802, and a 500 series at $3640.  They then offered me a 20% discount if I 
>> ordered with a short period of time.  I took longer than they wanted but 
>> they still honored the 20% discount.  The 400 series would have been about 
>> $650 less.  the 300 series wasn't even a consideration because they weren't 
>> offering the 20% off.  That made it almost as much the 400 series.  i guess 
>> they really wanted to sell the better cloth
>>
>> so far I am really impressed. The truth will be when we fly it.
>>
>> I did take some pictures side by side of both the Rolly Tasker and the Neil 
>> Pryde sail so, I'd be happy to share those with any of you no problem.
>>  
>> I searched and search for sail for lolita and got loads of prices.  In the 
>> end out of a comfort level and a 15% boat show discount, I chose the local 
>> Quantum loft.  this time I wanted to go for the better cloth at a similar 
>> price.  i basically did a sq ft comparison and paid a very similar sq ft 
>> price.
>>  
>> If I can offer any more info I'd be happy to.  My all in, delivered price 
>> was $3555.  I figure I'll have this for at the very least 10 years so, $355 
>> a year isn't too bad.  My Quantum sails were still like new after 4 years.
>>  
>> Danny
>> T40
>> Rum Runner
>> Mattapoisett, MA
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: Paul Baker via CnC-List 
>> To: 
>> Cc: Paul Baker 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
>> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:22:37 -0800
>>
>> Curtis, I think you perhaps have an unrealistic expectation of the cost of a 
>> sail, even from a cheap far east/offshore manufacturer.  The sails are 
>> almost all using US made cloth, and with the USD being fairly strong, that's 
>> a big chunk of extra cost there. Maybe a decent used sail might be an option 
>> for you?
>> Cheers,
>> Paul. 
>>
>> 
>> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 18:24:55 -0500
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
>> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> CC: cpt.b...@gmail.com
>>
>> Wow. I was quoted $1,800. I that that was too much. 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S� 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>  Original message 
>> From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
>> Date: 2/24/2016 4:44 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Danny Haughey 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
>>  
>> Hi Andy,
>>  
>> Thank Joel!!
>>  
>> Correction I got the 
>> Challenge Marblehead / Fibre 104 Dacron
>> the sail, delivered was $3555 and they broke it into 3 payments for me.  
>> From the completion of design to the delivery was 2 weeks!
>>  
>> I'm going to unroll it along side the rolly tasker tonight and take some 
>> photos.
>>  
>> Danny
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>> Cc: Andrew Burton 
>> Subject

Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Danny,

I have a Rolly offshore series.  It sounds more like your new jib than your
old one.  I don't believe in buying the cheapest sails.

Joel

On Wednesday, February 24, 2016, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> OK I just did look see, I compared to both the old rolly tasker and the
> Neil Pryde main sail.
>
> The Rolly Tasker was the poorest quality.  There was no reinforcing on the
> corners except some belting straps.
>
> Both the Neil pride and the Precision sail had built up corner patching as
> well as the belting straps.
>
> the Neil Pryde was certainly a better sail than the Rolly, but still
> nowhere near the quality of the workmanship on the Precision Sail.
>
> I don't know how many times I said Wow or holy crap this is really
> amazing, or I can't believe the quality, it's really a great sail. So, part
> of the problem with me is I don't really know a lot about Sails or Sail
> construction. My experience with sails and sail making is minimal and even
> I could see the quality that went into the construction of this sale.  I
> wish I had inspected the Quantum sails I bought for Lolita mre closely.
> But again, I didn't know what to look for anyway.  They were good sails
> though but, I don't think I got the same quality of cloth as this
> precision.
>
> The Precision sail has quadruple stitching on all the panels, double
> stitching on the sun cover, substantially more material at the corner
> patches and they used sunbrealla for the sun cover and the
> UV Protected Waxed Tenara Thread.  I added a bunch of extra like an
> Offshore Package, the sunbrella, ans some other stuff I don't recall right
> now.  the sail cloth, again is Challenge 8oz Marblehead Cloth.
>
> Precision offered me 3 quotes.  A 300 series at $2221, a 400 series at
> $2802, and a 500 series at $3640.  They then offered me a 20% discount if I
> ordered with a short period of time.  I took longer than they wanted but
> they still honored the 20% discount.  The 400 series would have been about
> $650 less.  the 300 series wasn't even a consideration because they weren't
> offering the 20% off.  That made it almost as much the 400 series.  i guess
> they really wanted to sell the better cloth
>
> so far I am really impressed. The truth will be when we fly it.
>
> I did take some pictures side by side of both the Rolly Tasker and the
> Neil Pryde sail so, I'd be happy to share those with any of you no problem.
>
> I searched and search for sail for lolita and got loads of prices.  In the
> end out of a comfort level and a 15% boat show discount, I chose the local
> Quantum loft.  this time I wanted to go for the better cloth at a similar
> price.  i basically did a sq ft comparison and paid a very similar sq ft
> price.
>
> If I can offer any more info I'd be happy to.  My all in, delivered price
> was $3555.  I figure I'll have this for at the very least 10 years so, $355
> a year isn't too bad.  My Quantum sails were still like new after 4 years.
>
> Danny
> T40
> Rum Runner
> Mattapoisett, MA
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Paul Baker via CnC-List  >
> To:  >
> Cc: Paul Baker  >
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:22:37 -0800
>
> Curtis, I think you perhaps have an unrealistic expectation of the cost of
> a sail, even from a cheap far east/offshore manufacturer.  The sails are
> almost all using US made cloth, and with the USD being fairly strong,
> that's a big chunk of extra cost there. Maybe a decent used sail might be
> an option for you?
> Cheers,
> Paul.
>
> --
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 18:24:55 -0500
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> CC: cpt.b...@gmail.com
> 
>
> Wow. I was quoted $1,800. I that that was too much.
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S� 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>  Original message 
> From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List  >
> Date: 2/24/2016 4:44 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> Cc: Danny Haughey  >
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
>
> Hi Andy,
>
> Thank Joel!!
>
> Correction I got the
> Challenge Marblehead / Fibre 104 Dacron
> the sail, delivered was $3555 and they broke it into 3 payments for me.
> From the completion of design to the delivery was 2 weeks!
>
> I'm going to unroll it along side the rolly tasker tonight and take some
> photos.
>
> Danny
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List  >
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> " <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> >
> Cc: Andrew Burton  >
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:34:56 -0500
>
>
> How much was it, Danny?
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!
> I'll

Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

OK I just did look see, I compared to both the old rolly tasker and the Neil 
Pryde main sail. 

The Rolly Tasker was the poorest quality.  There was no reinforcing on the 
corners except some belting straps. Both the Neil pride and the Precision sail 
had built up corner patching as well as the belting straps.
the Neil Pryde was certainly a better sail than the Rolly, but still nowhere 
near the quality of the workmanship on the Precision Sail. 

I don't know how many times I said Wow or holy crap this is really amazing, or 
I can't believe the quality, it's really a great sail. So, part of the problem 
with me is I don't really know a lot about Sails or Sail construction. My 
experience with sails and sail making is minimal and even I could see the 
quality that went into the construction of this sale.  I wish I had inspected 
the Quantum sails I bought for Lolita mre closely.  But again, I didn't know 
what to look for anyway.  They were good sails though but, I don't think I got 
the same quality of cloth as this precision.   The Precision sail has quadruple 
stitching on all the panels, double stitching on the sun cover, substantially 
more material at the corner patches and they used sunbrealla for the sun cover 
and the  UV Protected Waxed Tenara Thread.  I added a bunch of extra like an 
Offshore Package, the sunbrella, ans some other stuff I don't recall right now. 
 the sail cloth, again is Challenge 8oz Marblehead Cloth. Precision offered me 
3 quotes.  A 300 series at $2221, a 400 series at $2802, and a 500 series at 
$3640.  They then offered me a 20% discount if I ordered with a short period of 
time.  I took longer than they wanted but they still honored the 20% discount.  
The 400 series would have been about $650 less.  the 300 series wasn't even a 
consideration because they weren't offering the 20% off.  That made it almost 
as much the 400 series.  i guess they really wanted to sell the better cloth
so far I am really impressed. The truth will be when we fly it.

I did take some pictures side by side of both the Rolly Tasker and the Neil 
Pryde sail so, I'd be happy to share those with any of you no problem. I 
searched and search for sail for lolita and got loads of prices.  In the end 
out of a comfort level and a 15% boat show discount, I chose the local Quantum 
loft.  this time I wanted to go for the better cloth at a similar price.  i 
basically did a sq ft comparison and paid a very similar sq ft price. If I can 
offer any more info I'd be happy to.  My all in, delivered price was $3555.  I 
figure I'll have this for at the very least 10 years so, $355 a year isn't too 
bad.  My Quantum sails were still like new after 4 years. DannyT40Rum 
RunnerMattapoisett, MA


-- Original Message --
From: Paul Baker via CnC-List 
To: 
Cc: Paul Baker 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 17:22:37 -0800


Curtis, I think you perhaps have an unrealistic expectation of the cost of a 
sail, even from a cheap far east/offshore manufacturer.  The sails are almost 
all using US made cloth, and with the USD being fairly strong, that's a big 
chunk of extra cost there. Maybe a decent used sail might be an option for you?
Cheers,
Paul. 

Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 18:24:55 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: cpt.b...@gmail.com

Wow. I was quoted $1,800. I that that was too much.Sent via the Samsung 
Galaxy S� 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone Original message 
From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List Date: 2/24/2016 
4:44 PM (GMT-05:00)To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: Danny Haughey 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail Hi Andy, 
Thank Joel!! Correction I got the Challenge Marblehead / Fibre 104 Dacronthe 
sail, delivered was $3555 and they broke it into 3 payments for me.  From the 
completion of design to the delivery was 2 weeks! I'm going to unroll it along 
side the rolly tasker tonight and take some photos. Danny

-- Original Message --
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To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:34:56 -0500


How much was it, Danny?

AndyC&C 40Peregrine
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Hello all,I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night! 
 I'll be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to order 
online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri Lanka from 
what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron. My question is, 
what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I plan on comparing 
the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new seeming Main.  Other than 
that, I don't really know enough about sails to know if I got what I paid for.  
I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of pics if anyone would be interested. 
T

Re: Stus-List radar mast/pole on C&C 32

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Jim,

I might be doing a pole mount this year too.

Can you double check the pole diameter? It looks to maybe scale as a 
2" comparing to nearby stanchion in the pics.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 09:41 PM 23/02/2016, you wrote:
I built a pole mount on our 35-3 that is pretty simple. I got the 
stainless plate sheared to size and had it welded onto the pole. 
It's all handrail fittings and 1" SS tube. I made the tube clamp 
from some 1" black Starboard scraps, bought a Seadog anchor stopper 
for the base. Including the radar, I spent less than $700. I added 
another brace to the coaming after I took these pix just for a 
little more stability.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-eZodRniJGz0/VZcvHSR3VpI/DNw/wXPsxk5waLI/s720-Ic42/pole.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-FF5A-_Ahhco/VZc7HaE1ZLI/DOA/rQPkzOM__Dg/s720-Ic42/base.jpg

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List 35-3 chain plate removal

[JP Mail via CnC-List]

Replacements are probably what's coming. We were offered aluminum or stainless. 
Stainless being a "cheaper" option. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 24, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jon,
> 
> The cover plates on my 35-3 are through bolted to the deck.  Getting access
> is a bit of pain, but it's doable.  The bolts at the bottom end of the chain
> plate are pretty straight forward (and numerous).  Not sure if this is a
> good candidate for welding.  I would consider new replacements instead.
> 
> Jake
> 
> Jake Brodersen
> C&C 35 Mk-III "Midnight Mistress"
> Hampton VA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 14:09
> To: Stu 
> Cc: JP Mail 
> Subject: Stus-List 35-3 chainplate removal
> 
> Looking for any experiences with repairing/replacing a chainplate or 2 on a
> 35-3 I'm showing a hairline crack about 3/4" on the weld that attaches the
> flange to the chainplate at deck level. 
> Replace them both?
> Remove, grind, reweld and replace?
> Is it fairly straight forward job of removing the nuts and bolts from
> chainplate at the bulkhead below, remove the 4 screws on the flange on deck
> and lift?
> Hopefully only butyl tape and not 5200 between deck and flange. 
> Safe to leave the mast standing tied off while chainplate out? 
> All input and opinions welcome. 
> Jon. 
> 
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Re: Stus-List C&C 35 MK1 in Annapolis still available?

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Oh man. That's funny!On Feb 24, 2016 7:51 PM, Glen Eddie via CnC-List 
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>
> I was getting excited about this boat but the listing seems to have been 
> pulled. Anybody know about this? Did it get snapped up?
>
> http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/5461109437.html
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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

Curtis, I think you perhaps have an unrealistic expectation of the cost of a 
sail, even from a cheap far east/offshore manufacturer.  The sails are almost 
all using US made cloth, and with the USD being fairly strong, that's a big 
chunk of extra cost there. Maybe a decent used sail might be an option for you?
Cheers,
Paul. 

Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 18:24:55 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: cpt.b...@gmail.com

Wow. I was quoted $1,800. I that that was too much. 


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone Original 
message From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List  Date: 
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 Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail 
Hi Andy,
 
Thank Joel!!
 
Correction I got the 
Challenge Marblehead / Fibre 104 Dacron
the sail, delivered was $3555 and they broke it into 3 payments for me.  >From 
the completion of design to the delivery was 2 weeks!
 
I'm going to unroll it along side the rolly tasker tonight and take some photos.
 
Danny


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Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:34:56 -0500






How much was it, Danny?


Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Hello all,
I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!  I'll be 
unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to order online 
from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri Lanka from what I 
can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
 
My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I plan 
on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new seeming 
Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to know if I got 
what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of pics if anyone 
would be interested.
 
Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
 
Danny
T40Rum Runner IVMattapoisett, MA

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Re: Stus-List 35-3 chain plate removal

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Jon,

The cover plates on my 35-3 are through bolted to the deck.  Getting access
is a bit of pain, but it's doable.  The bolts at the bottom end of the chain
plate are pretty straight forward (and numerous).  Not sure if this is a
good candidate for welding.  I would consider new replacements instead.

Jake

Jake Brodersen
C&C 35 Mk-III "Midnight Mistress"
Hampton VA




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Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 14:09
To: Stu 
Cc: JP Mail 
Subject: Stus-List 35-3 chainplate removal

Looking for any experiences with repairing/replacing a chainplate or 2 on a
35-3 I'm showing a hairline crack about 3/4" on the weld that attaches the
flange to the chainplate at deck level. 
Replace them both?
Remove, grind, reweld and replace?
Is it fairly straight forward job of removing the nuts and bolts from
chainplate at the bulkhead below, remove the 4 screws on the flange on deck
and lift?
 Hopefully only butyl tape and not 5200 between deck and flange. 
Safe to leave the mast standing tied off while chainplate out? 
All input and opinions welcome. 
Jon. 

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Re: Stus-List 1970 C&C 35 For Sale -- Bidding War in March

[Sam Wheeler via CnC-List]

Or the stepson who owned the boat saw that it had been listed for a dollar
and had second thoughts about delegating the sale to his stepparent.

Sam
C&C 35 mk III
SF

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Looks like the ad is gone. Maybe someone made him an offer he couldn't
> refuse.
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Paul Baker via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Why do these never come up on the left coast?
>>
>> --
>> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 18:48:14 +
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1970 C&C 35 For Sale -- Bidding War in March
>> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> CC: djhaug...@juno.com
>>
>>
>> Look like really good opertunity potential.  that engine job has to be
>> worth $10k no?
>>
>> Nice find Edd!
>>
>> Danny
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
>> To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" 
>> Cc: "Della Barba, Joe" 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1970 C&C 35 For Sale -- Bidding War in March
>> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:49:49 +
>>
>> 40 gallons is twice standard and 5 gallons a day means nothing. The
>> engine would use around 15-20 gallons in a 24 hour day.
>>
>> I might be in for $1,000 – who knows?
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel
>> Aronson via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 24, 2016 09:43
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Joel Aronson
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1970 C&C 35 For Sale -- Bidding War in March
>>
>>
>>
>> His fuel calculation may be off.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 24, 2016, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> For anyone that may be looking —
>> http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/5461109437.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Could be a great opportunity.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Edd
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Edd M. Schillay
>>
>> Starship Enterprise
>>
>> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>>
>> City Island, NY
>>
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List C&C 35 MK1 in Annapolis still available?

[Glen Eddie via CnC-List]

I think the step son probably found out about it. Weird post.

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Subject: Stus-List C&C 35 MK1 in Annapolis still available?


I was getting excited about this boat but the listing seems to have been 
pulled. Anybody know about this? Did it get snapped up?

http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/5461109437.html




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Stus-List C&C 35 MK1 in Annapolis still available?

[Alex Wolfe via CnC-List]

I was getting excited about this boat but the listing seems to have been 
pulled. Anybody know about this? Did it get snapped up?
http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/5461109437.html

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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Marblehead is a high end cloth.

On Wednesday, February 24, 2016, Robert Boyer via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> As I’m sure you realize, the 135% genoa will cost more for a larger boat
> than a smaller one.  I don’t see much use in this cost cpmparison unless
> you have the same size boat…
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2016, at 6:23 PM, Captain, Curtis McDaniel via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > wrote:
>
> I'm in the process of buying a new head sail 135%as well. How much if you
> don't mind.
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>  Original message 
> From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List  >
> Date: 2/24/2016 4:30 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> Cc: Danny Haughey  >
> Subject: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
>
> Hello all,
>
> I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!
> I'll be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to
> order online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri
> Lanka from what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
>
> My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I
> plan on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new
> seeming Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to
> know if I got what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of
> pics if anyone would be interested.
>
> Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
>
> Danny
> T40
> Rum Runner IV
> Mattapoisett, MA
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>
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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

As I’m sure you realize, the 135% genoa will cost more for a larger boat than a 
smaller one.  I don’t see much use in this cost cpmparison unless you have the 
same size boat…

Bob



> On Feb 24, 2016, at 6:23 PM, Captain, Curtis McDaniel via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm in the process of buying a new head sail 135%as well. How much if you 
> don't mind.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>  Original message 
> From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
> Date: 2/24/2016 4:30 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Danny Haughey 
> Subject: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!  I'll 
> be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to order 
> online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri Lanka 
> from what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
>  
> My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I 
> plan on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new 
> seeming Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to 
> know if I got what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of 
> pics if anyone would be interested.
>  
> Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
>  
> Danny
> T40
> Rum Runner IV
> Mattapoisett, MA
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Re: Stus-List 1970 C&C 35 For Sale -- Bidding War in March

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Looks like the ad is gone. Maybe someone made him an offer he couldn't
refuse.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Paul Baker via CnC-List <
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> Why do these never come up on the left coast?
>
> --
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 18:48:14 +
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1970 C&C 35 For Sale -- Bidding War in March
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: djhaug...@juno.com
>
>
> Look like really good opertunity potential.  that engine job has to be
> worth $10k no?
>
> Nice find Edd!
>
> Danny
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
> To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" 
> Cc: "Della Barba, Joe" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1970 C&C 35 For Sale -- Bidding War in March
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:49:49 +
>
> 40 gallons is twice standard and 5 gallons a day means nothing. The engine
> would use around 15-20 gallons in a 24 hour day.
>
> I might be in for $1,000 – who knows?
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel
> Aronson via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 24, 2016 09:43
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1970 C&C 35 For Sale -- Bidding War in March
>
>
>
> His fuel calculation may be off.
>
> On Wednesday, February 24, 2016, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> For anyone that may be looking —
> http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/5461109437.html
>
>
>
> Could be a great opportunity.
>
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
>
> Edd
>
>
>
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
>
> Starship Enterprise
>
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>
> City Island, NY
>
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Captain, Curtis McDaniel via CnC-List]

Wow. I was quoted $1,800. I that that was too much. 


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone Original 
message From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List  Date: 
2/24/2016  4:44 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Danny Haughey 
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail 
Hi Andy,
 
Thank Joel!!
 
Correction I got the 
Challenge Marblehead / Fibre 104 Dacron
the sail, delivered was $3555 and they broke it into 3 payments for me.  From 
the completion of design to the delivery was 2 weeks!
 
I'm going to unroll it along side the rolly tasker tonight and take some photos.
 
Danny


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To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:34:56 -0500





How much was it, Danny?


Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Hello all,


I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!  I'll be 
unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to order online 
from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri Lanka from what I 
can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
 
My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I plan 
on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new seeming 
Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to know if I got 
what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of pics if anyone 
would be interested.
 
Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
 
Danny
T40
Rum Runner IV
Mattapoisett, MA

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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Captain, Curtis McDaniel via CnC-List]

I'm in the process of buying a new head sail 135%as well. How much if you don't 
mind.


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone Original 
message From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List  Date: 
2/24/2016  4:30 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Danny Haughey 
 Subject: Stus-List  Got a New 135% Head Sail 
Hello all,


I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!  I'll be 
unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to order online 
from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri Lanka from what I 
can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
 
My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I plan 
on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new seeming 
Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to know if I got 
what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of pics if anyone 
would be interested.
 
Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
 
Danny
T40
Rum Runner IV
Mattapoisett, MA
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Re: Stus-List Ignition Switch Fuel Solenoid Valve

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

Assuming you have an electrical fuel pump, there should be a low oil pressure 
cut-off switch for the fuel pump  so if the engine dies while running your 
fuel pump shuts off automatically  and doesn’t turn on until the engine 
cranks to bring the oil pressure up. With that you carry a short bypass wire 
(alligator clip ends) so that if the switch fails you can bypass it and send 
voltage directly to the fuel pump. Feed to the fuel pump via the cut-off switch 
should be fused (6A perhaps? ... I’d have to check or research on Moyer’s 
site). 
I suppose also you could also install a switch inline with the pressure switch 
so you can turn the fuel pump off manually and run the carb dry. 
At the fuel tank I think you’ll find that ABYC requires an anti-siphon valve in 
addition to the manual shut-off valve if the tank is higher than the carb. This 
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Re: Stus-List Racing a 30-1

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

I'm probably not remembering the length correctly. I'd never seen a reaching 
strut before and didn't know what it was when I saw it at the survey. To me it 
looked like a short spin pole. It was short enough to fit in the lazarette of a 
30-1. I'm towing the boat from its current location to my lake in two weeks, so 
I'll get another look at it then. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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Cc: "Gary Nylander"  
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 3:39:06 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing a 30-1 



If it is really only a couple of feet long, it may not attach to the mast. Our 
PHRF rules say that any strut which holds a sail must attach there, but I don’t 
know about one which is only controlling a sheet and would never touch the 
sail. ??? On our 30, we don’t use separate guys, just two sheets off the chute, 
one becomes the foreguy and the other is the aft. We end-for-end the pole. I 
use the twings (tweakers) to control the ‘guy’ sheet. 



Gary 




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Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 3:36 PM 
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Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing a 30-1 





You're right Martin. The PO explained it to me at the survey, but neither of us 
understood it very well :) I'll look for an attachment for it near the mast 
base. 





Cheers, 


Randy 



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Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 1:05:07 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing a 30-1 





> My boat has a very short (two feet) aluminum pole with jaws on each end like 
> a spin pole - I wonder if that's what it's for. 



That is likely a Reaching Strut used when close reaching with a spinnaker to 
force the After Guy (connects the spinnaker to the pole and pulls the pole aft) 
away from the side of the boat to improve the guy’s ability to pull the pole 
off the forestay. 



One end of the reaching strut likely attaches near the base of the mast, the 
other holds the guy similar to the pole end. On Calypso I tie the reaching 
strut to the shrouds and toe rail to keep it from sliding aft of raising up. 



On the 43 with its highly loaded sheets/guys I strongly recommend crew keep 
well clear of the reaching strut when we have her rail down and fully loaded. 
One race a crew decided my recommendations did not apply to him when taking 
pictures with his phone. The sail tie used to hold the reaching strut down 
close to the life lines failed and the strut popped up quickly hitting his 
hand. It scared the sh*t out of him but did no damage beyond a good thump. He 
was not invited back. 




Martin DeYoung 

Calypso 

1971 C&C 43 

Seattle 







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Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 11:47 AM 
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Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing a 30-1 





Thanks Gary, this is very helpful. Couple details about my boat that affect 
crew positions / responsibilities: tiller steering, traveler aft on transom, 
halyards not led aft, no headsail furler. 





So the full complement would be driver, mainsail trimmer, two headsail 
trimmers, mast person, and bow person. If shorthanded the driver could trim the 
main, and the bow person could double as a headsail trimmer. But probably need 
four minimum (driver, trimmer, mast, bow) to fly the chute, and more is better 
as the air gets heavier. 





Thanks for the tip about the barber hauler on reaches. My boat has a very short 
(two feet) aluminum pole with jaws on each end like a spin pole - I wonder if 
that's what it's for. 





After getting your comments, and Mike's (Persistence, Halifax), I'll probably 
race in B division (JAM) in the spring series so my crew and I can get used to 
the boat and practice with the spinnaker outside of racing, then switch to A 
division (spinnaker) for the summer series. 





Much appreciated. 





Cheers, 
Randy 



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Re: Stus-List Racing a 30-1

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

If it is really only a couple of feet long, it may not attach to the mast. Our 
PHRF rules say that any strut which holds a sail must attach there, but I don’t 
know about one which is only controlling a sheet and would never touch the 
sail.  ??? On our 30, we don’t use separate guys, just two sheets off the 
chute, one becomes the foreguy and the other is the aft. We end-for-end the 
pole. I use the twings (tweakers) to control the ‘guy’ sheet.

 

Gary

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing a 30-1

 

You're right Martin.  The PO explained it to me at the survey, but neither of 
us understood it very well :)  I'll look for an attachment for it near the mast 
base.

 

Cheers,

Randy

 

  _  

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: "Martin DeYoung" mailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 1:05:07 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing a 30-1

 

> My boat has a very short (two feet) aluminum pole with jaws on each end like 
> a spin pole - I wonder if that's what it's for.

 

That is likely a Reaching Strut used when close reaching with a spinnaker to 
force the After Guy (connects the spinnaker to the pole and pulls the pole aft) 
away from the side of the boat to improve the guy’s ability to pull the pole 
off the forestay.

 

One end of the reaching strut likely attaches near the base of the mast, the 
other holds the guy similar to the pole end.  On Calypso I tie the reaching 
strut to the shrouds and toe rail to keep it from sliding aft of raising up.

 

On the 43 with its highly loaded sheets/guys I strongly recommend crew keep 
well clear of the reaching strut when we have her rail down and fully loaded.  
One race a crew decided my recommendations did not apply to him when taking 
pictures with his phone.  The sail tie used to hold the reaching strut down 
close to the life lines failed and the strut popped up quickly hitting his 
hand.  It scared the sh*t out of him but did no damage beyond a good thump.  He 
was not invited back.

 

Martin DeYoung

Calypso

1971 C&C 43

Seattle




 

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Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing a 30-1

 

Thanks Gary, this is very helpful.  Couple details about my boat that affect 
crew positions / responsibilities: tiller steering, traveler aft on transom, 
halyards not led aft, no headsail furler.

 

So the full complement would be driver, mainsail trimmer, two headsail 
trimmers, mast person, and bow person.  If shorthanded the driver could trim 
the main, and the bow person could double as a headsail trimmer.  But probably 
need four minimum (driver, trimmer, mast, bow) to fly the chute, and more is 
better as the air gets heavier.

 

Thanks for the tip about the barber hauler on reaches.  My boat has a very 
short (two feet) aluminum pole with jaws on each end like a spin pole - I 
wonder if that's what it's for.

 

After getting your comments, and Mike's (Persistence, Halifax), I'll probably 
race in B division (JAM) in the spring series so my crew and I can get used to 
the boat and practice with the spinnaker outside of racing, then switch to A 
division (spinnaker) for the summer series.

 

Much appreciated.

 

Cheers,
Randy


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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Nice!

On Wednesday, February 24, 2016, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Andy,
>
> Thank Joel!!
>
> Correction I got the
> Challenge Marblehead / Fibre 104 Dacron
> the sail, delivered was $3555 and they broke it into 3 payments for me.
> From the completion of design to the delivery was 2 weeks!
>
> I'm going to unroll it along side the rolly tasker tonight and take some
> photos.
>
> Danny
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List  >
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> " <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> >
> Cc: Andrew Burton  >
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:34:56 -0500
>
> How much was it, Danny?
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!
>> I'll be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to
>> order online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri
>> Lanka from what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
>>
>> My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?
>> I plan on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new
>> seeming Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to
>> know if I got what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of
>> pics if anyone would be interested.
>>
>> Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
>>
>> Danny
>> T40
>> Rum Runner IV
>> Mattapoisett, MA
>>
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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I would ask them what to look for.  Every sail maker is going to have a
different set of standard features.

I would look for properly finished sticking.

Double stitching through out and triple in high stress areas.

Sail cover on the correct side.

Personally, I'd like to see the exposed edges of all the fabric either
hemmed or zigzag stitched.

Obviously, check for all of the agreed upon features.  Emblems, numbers,
spreader patches.

Rounded corners on the added layers at stress points.

I got mine from Quantum in Solomons, MD and paid about $700 more.  Can't
say it was necessarily money better spent.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016, 5:10 PM George Cone via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I picked up a new headsail – 135% furling for my C&C40 last year. The
> quality, design was very high, all the features were included, for a little
> less than what you spent, I compare it to the Rolly mail from the fear
> before and it is just as good.  It was the challenge Marblehead fabric
>
>
>
> George Cone
>
> C&C 40
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Danny
> Haughey via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 24, 2016 4:45 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Danny Haughey
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
>
>
>
> Hi Andy,
>
>
>
> Thank Joel!!
>
>
>
> Correction I got the
> Challenge Marblehead / Fibre 104 Dacron
>
> the sail, delivered was $3555 and they broke it into 3 payments for me.
> From the completion of design to the delivery was 2 weeks!
>
>
>
> I'm going to unroll it along side the rolly tasker tonight and take some
> photos.
>
>
>
> Danny
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Cc: Andrew Burton 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:34:56 -0500
>
> How much was it, Danny?
>
> Andy
>
> C&C 40
>
> Peregrine
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!
> I'll be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to
> order online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri
> Lanka from what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
>
>
>
> My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I
> plan on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new
> seeming Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to
> know if I got what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of
> pics if anyone would be interested.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
>
>
>
> Danny
>
> T40
> Rum Runner IV
> Mattapoisett, MA
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[George Cone via CnC-List]

I picked up a new headsail - 135% furling for my C&C40 last year. The
quality, design was very high, all the features were included, for a little
less than what you spent, I compare it to the Rolly mail from the fear
before and it is just as good.  It was the challenge Marblehead fabric

 

George Cone

C&C 40

 

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Haughey via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 4:45 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Danny Haughey
Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

 

Hi Andy,

 

Thank Joel!!

 

Correction I got the 


Challenge Marblehead / Fibre 104 Dacron


the sail, delivered was $3555 and they broke it into 3 payments for me.
>From the completion of design to the delivery was 2 weeks!

 

I'm going to unroll it along side the rolly tasker tonight and take some
photos.

 

Danny



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Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:34:56 -0500

How much was it, Danny?

Andy

C&C 40

Peregrine

 

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List
 wrote:

Hello all,

I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!  I'll
be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to order
online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri Lanka
from what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.

 

My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I
plan on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new
seeming Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to
know if I got what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of
pics if anyone would be interested.

 

Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.

 

Danny

T40
Rum Runner IV
Mattapoisett, MA


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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hi Andy, Thank Joel!! Correction I got the Challenge Marblehead / Fibre 104 
Dacronthe sail, delivered was $3555 and they broke it into 3 payments for me.  
From the completion of design to the delivery was 2 weeks! I'm going to unroll 
it along side the rolly tasker tonight and take some photos. Danny

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Cc: Andrew Burton 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 16:34:56 -0500


How much was it, Danny?

AndyC&C 40Peregrine
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Hello all,I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night! 
 I'll be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to order 
online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri Lanka from 
what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron. My question is, 
what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I plan on comparing 
the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new seeming Main.  Other than 
that, I don't really know enough about sails to know if I got what I paid for.  
I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of pics if anyone would be interested. 
Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer. DannyT40Rum Runner 
IVMattapoisett, MA
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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Danny,

Congrats!  I got a spinnaker launch bag from them.  Nicely made.
I can't tell much until I hoist, but others probably know more.

Joel

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
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> How much was it, Danny?
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!
>> I'll be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to
>> order online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri
>> Lanka from what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
>>
>> My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?
>> I plan on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new
>> seeming Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to
>> know if I got what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of
>> pics if anyone would be interested.
>>
>> Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
>>
>> Danny
>> T40
>> Rum Runner IV
>> Mattapoisett, MA
>>
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Re: Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

How much was it, Danny?

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night!
> I'll be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to
> order online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri
> Lanka from what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron.
>
> My question is, what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I
> plan on comparing the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new
> seeming Main.  Other than that, I don't really know enough about sails to
> know if I got what I paid for.  I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of
> pics if anyone would be interested.
>
> Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer.
>
> Danny
> T40
> Rum Runner IV
> Mattapoisett, MA
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Stus-List Got a New 135% Head Sail

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hello all,I just received my new head sail from Precision sail loft last night! 
 I'll be unrolling it tonight to have a first look.  I took a chance to order 
online from this Canadian based company.  The sail was built in Sri Lanka from 
what I can tell.  I ordered the Challenge High Modulus Dacron. My question is, 
what should I be looking for as I inspect the new sail?  I plan on comparing 
the old Rolly Tasker head sail and the relatively new seeming Main.  Other than 
that, I don't really know enough about sails to know if I got what I paid for.  
I'll probably unroll it and snap a bunch of pics if anyone would be interested. 
Thanks for any insights and advice you may be able to offer. DannyT40Rum Runner 
IVMattapoisett, MA___

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Re: Stus-List Racing a 30-1

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

You're right Martin. The PO explained it to me at the survey, but neither of us 
understood it very well :) I'll look for an attachment for it near the mast 
base. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Martin DeYoung"  
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 1:05:07 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing a 30-1 



> My boat has a very short (two feet) aluminum pole with jaws on each end like 
> a spin pole - I wonder if that's what it's for. 



That is likely a Reaching Strut used when close reaching with a spinnaker to 
force the After Guy (connects the spinnaker to the pole and pulls the pole aft) 
away from the side of the boat to improve the guy’s ability to pull the pole 
off the forestay. 



One end of the reaching strut likely attaches near the base of the mast, the 
other holds the guy similar to the pole end. On Calypso I tie the reaching 
strut to the shrouds and toe rail to keep it from sliding aft of raising up. 



On the 43 with its highly loaded sheets/guys I strongly recommend crew keep 
well clear of the reaching strut when we have her rail down and fully loaded. 
One race a crew decided my recommendations did not apply to him when taking 
pictures with his phone. The sail tie used to hold the reaching strut down 
close to the life lines failed and the strut popped up quickly hitting his 
hand. It scared the sh*t out of him but did no damage beyond a good thump. He 
was not invited back. 




Martin DeYoung 

Calypso 

1971 C&C 43 

Seattle 







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Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing a 30-1 





Thanks Gary, this is very helpful. Couple details about my boat that affect 
crew positions / responsibilities: tiller steering, traveler aft on transom, 
halyards not led aft, no headsail furler. 





So the full complement would be driver, mainsail trimmer, two headsail 
trimmers, mast person, and bow person. If shorthanded the driver could trim the 
main, and the bow person could double as a headsail trimmer. But probably need 
four minimum (driver, trimmer, mast, bow) to fly the chute, and more is better 
as the air gets heavier. 





Thanks for the tip about the barber hauler on reaches. My boat has a very short 
(two feet) aluminum pole with jaws on each end like a spin pole - I wonder if 
that's what it's for. 





After getting your comments, and Mike's (Persistence, Halifax), I'll probably 
race in B division (JAM) in the spring series so my crew and I can get used to 
the boat and practice with the spinnaker outside of racing, then switch to A 
division (spinnaker) for the summer series. 





Much appreciated. 





Cheers, 
Randy 

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Re: Stus-List Racing a 30-1

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> My boat has a very short (two feet) aluminum pole with jaws on each end like 
> a spin pole - I wonder if that's what it's for.

That is likely a Reaching Strut used when close reaching with a spinnaker to 
force the After Guy (connects the spinnaker to the pole and pulls the pole aft) 
away from the side of the boat to improve the guy’s ability to pull the pole 
off the forestay.

One end of the reaching strut likely attaches near the base of the mast, the 
other holds the guy similar to the pole end.  On Calypso I tie the reaching 
strut to the shrouds and toe rail to keep it from sliding aft of raising up.

On the 43 with its highly loaded sheets/guys I strongly recommend crew keep 
well clear of the reaching strut when we have her rail down and fully loaded.  
One race a crew decided my recommendations did not apply to him when taking 
pictures with his phone.  The sail tie used to hold the reaching strut down 
close to the life lines failed and the strut popped up quickly hitting his 
hand.  It scared the sh*t out of him but did no damage beyond a good thump.  He 
was not invited back.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing a 30-1

Thanks Gary, this is very helpful.  Couple details about my boat that affect 
crew positions / responsibilities: tiller steering, traveler aft on transom, 
halyards not led aft, no headsail furler.

So the full complement would be driver, mainsail trimmer, two headsail 
trimmers, mast person, and bow person.  If shorthanded the driver could trim 
the main, and the bow person could double as a headsail trimmer.  But probably 
need four minimum (driver, trimmer, mast, bow) to fly the chute, and more is 
better as the air gets heavier.

Thanks for the tip about the barber hauler on reaches.  My boat has a very 
short (two feet) aluminum pole with jaws on each end like a spin pole - I 
wonder if that's what it's for.

After getting your comments, and Mike's (Persistence, Halifax), I'll probably 
race in B division (JAM) in the spring series so my crew and I can get used to 
the boat and practice with the spinnaker outside of racing, then switch to A 
division (spinnaker) for the summer series.

Much appreciated.

Cheers,
Randy
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Re: Stus-List 1970 C&C 35 For Sale -- Bidding War in March

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

Why do these never come up on the left coast?

Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 18:48:14 +
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Subject: Re: Stus-List 1970 C&C 35 For Sale -- Bidding War in March
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: djhaug...@juno.com

Look like really good opertunity potential.  that engine job has to be worth 
$10k no?
 
Nice find Edd!
 
Danny

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:49:49 +




40 gallons is twice standard and 5 gallons a day means nothing. The engine 
would use around 15-20 gallons in a 24 hour day.
I might be in for $1,000 – who knows?
Joe
 
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His fuel calculation may be off.  
 
 On Wednesday, February 24, 2016, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
 wrote:

For anyone that may be looking — 
http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/5461109437.html 

 


Could be a great opportunity. 


 




 All the best,


 


Edd


 


 


Edd M. Schillay


Starship Enterprise


C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B


City Island, NY 



Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log


 




 
 
 
 


 


 
 
 

 



 
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Re: Stus-List Racing a 30-1

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Thanks Gary, this is very helpful. Couple details about my boat that affect 
crew positions / responsibilities: tiller steering, traveler aft on transom, 
halyards not led aft, no headsail furler. 

So the full complement would be driver, mainsail trimmer, two headsail 
trimmers, mast person, and bow person. If shorthanded the driver could trim the 
main, and the bow person could double as a headsail trimmer. But probably need 
four minimum (driver, trimmer, mast, bow) to fly the chute, and more is better 
as the air gets heavier. 

Thanks for the tip about the barber hauler on reaches. My boat has a very short 
(two feet) aluminum pole with jaws on each end like a spin pole - I wonder if 
that's what it's for. 

After getting your comments, and Mike's (Persistence, Halifax), I'll probably 
race in B division (JAM) in the spring series so my crew and I can get used to 
the boat and practice with the spinnaker outside of racing, then switch to A 
division (spinnaker) for the summer series. 

Much appreciated. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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Cc: "Gary Nylander"  
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 11:20:13 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing a 30-1 



I’ll try to answer your questions, but the 30 is somewhat unique. I say this 
from owning and racing mine for over 20 years. 



I have raced both spinnaker and non-spinnaker and picked up my fair share of 
trophies in each. My ex (Admiral – we share the boat) and her husband race her 
now in a mixed fleet and have done quite well, taking the series title a couple 
of years ago (she drives, he grinds and the rest of the crew is pretty good). I 
won our JAM series in 2013 and was second in 2014 (didn’t race all the races 
last year). 



Crew: five or six for spin – one on bow to hook up the chute and pull down the 
genoa – one on mast – handles pole end and helps on the halyards and adjusts 
the outhaul – everything else on Penniless is led aft, so there can be four in 
cockpit (too many) so spin trimmer is generally standing by the windows. 
Driver, main trimmer (traveler is on bridge deck by companionway, easily 
handled by one person and it is not that vital to jump back to the rail – boat 
is stout as I said), two jib folks, one to let out, and the other to pull in. 
Any more, they go on the rail. 



For JAM, don’t always need the bow person, so mast person can do both – and no 
spin to trim. Most of the time I like five for JAM, because we sometimes use 
the spin pole with the genoa. And, sometimes we change sails, no furler. 



The boat does well on reaches only if you sheet the genoa to the rail or 
further out with a barber hauler device – I have inboard adjustable genoa 
tracks. 



It helps a lot to have some under 60 folks aboard – young and strong is great 
when hauling in the genoa – it is big. 



And…. Everybody will tell you – good sails, clean bottom, skilled crew and the 
30 will do well in either fleet. 



Gary 

#593 




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Subject: Stus-List Racing a 30-1 





Hi All, 





I'd welcome any opinions you might like to share on racing a 30-1. As mentioned 
in the other thread on handicapping JAM boats, I have a choice of racing my 
(new to me) 30-1 in a spinnaker boat division or a non-spinnaker boat division 
(my boat is rigged for spinnaker). We have ten-week series in my club, and I'd 
have to stay in one division for a whole series (but could switch divisions 
between series). We also have occasional one and two-day weekend races in which 
I'd have to choose a division. 





>From what I see in 
>http://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/DARoot/Offshore/PHRF/2014%20PHRF%20Handicaps%20Data.pdf
> , it looks like a 30-1 usually gets a PHRF rating of 174, which would be the 
>third-lowest rating in my club. We've got a Capri-25 at 173, and an F-240s at 
>170. 





One of my questions is how many crew are advisable for racing a 30-1, with 
spinnaker or without. On smaller boats (Capri-22s, J/22s, Merit 25s) we'd race 
and fly spinnaker with three crew - helm, trimmer, and foredeck. A fourth could 
come in handy in heavy air. I've gotten a couple indications that I should have 
maybe twice that number for a 30-1. What are the typical crew positions on a 
30-1? If it makes any difference, my spinnakers have dousing socks. 





I race on a lake in Colorado. The spinnaker division courses are upwind / 
downwind, and the non-spinnaker division courses are triangles. We generally 
try to set courses so that races last 60-90 minutes. Weather-wise we have 
varied conditions from night to night. Some nights are frickin' gusty, with 
Colorado afternoon and evening thunderstorms. Some nights are light air and we 
run out of beer before finishing :) Several times a year we 

Re: Stus-List CPN 700i - transducers

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

Fwiw my old Northstar plotter talks to my old ST4000 just fine through Nmea183, 
is able to fire ( and offset) my Lowrance depth transducer. This stuff isn't 
always difficult. 
Cheers ,
Paul. 

Orange Crush
27mk2
Sidney BC. 

Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 10:57:58 -0500
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List CPN 700i - transducers
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: stevanpla...@gmail.com

I was hoping I could get NMEA 183 data from the ST40 heads, through some kind 
of expensive, proprietary converter :)
I'm an IT guy and this stuff just baffles me. 
The main functionality I need is navigation. Everything else is a "nice to 
have". $1000 difference one vs the other is what I figure. That's new lifelines 
right there. I don't like to be pennywise and pound foolish but at the end of 
the day both things appear to have the same navigational ability, which again 
is the primary use case. Being able to control the autohelm is a distant "nice 
to have'. Being able to use my existing displays and thru-hulls is a nice to 
have. Replacing my existing thru-hulls and displays with a smart ducer seems 
like it would simplify a lot of things. If I have depth and speed on the 
plotter I don't really need it elsewhere in the cockpit (right now ST40s are 
mounted by companionway). 
SteveSuhana, C&C 32Toronto
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Joel makes good points.
— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(


On Feb 24, 2016, at 9:13 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
wrote:
Hey standard horizon will not control the autopilot. Also, he will not be able 
to program the depth offset if you have a generic transducer.Joel 

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Stus-List 35-3 chainplate removal

[JP Mail via CnC-List]

Looking for any experiences with repairing/replacing a chainplate or 2 on a 35-3
I'm showing a hairline crack about 3/4" on the weld that attaches the flange to 
the chainplate at deck level. 
Replace them both?
Remove, grind, reweld and replace?
Is it fairly straight forward job of removing the nuts and bolts from 
chainplate at the bulkhead below, remove the 4 screws on the flange on deck and 
lift?
 Hopefully only butyl tape and not 5200 between deck and flange. 
Safe to leave the mast standing tied off while chainplate out? 
All input and opinions welcome. 
Jon. 

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Re: Stus-List 1970 C&C 35 For Sale -- Bidding War in March

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Look like really good opertunity potential.  that engine job has to be worth 
$10k no? Nice find Edd! Danny
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Cc: "Della Barba, Joe" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1970 C&C 35 For Sale -- Bidding War in March
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:49:49 +


40 gallons is twice standard and 5 gallons a day means nothing. The engine 
would use around 15-20 gallons in a 24 hour day.
I might be in for $1,000 – who knows?
Joe
 
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 Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 09:43
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 Subject: Re: Stus-List 1970 C&C 35 For Sale -- Bidding War in March
 
His fuel calculation may be off.  
 
 On Wednesday, February 24, 2016, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
 wrote:
For anyone that may be looking — 
http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/5461109437.html 
 
Could be a great opportunity. 
 

 All the best,
 
Edd
 
 
Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
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 301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

No worries - your other reply was very helpful - will reply in that thread. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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Cc: "Gary Nylander"  
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 11:34:58 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers 



I have no idea – my Win 10 email has a mind of its own – don’t know whether it 
is editing itself or what – every once in a while the cursor just goes away or 
the whole page goes away or something else – I thought it was the wireless 
mouse, but I tried today without it and it still is goofy. 



In light air, a spinnaker is wonderful. 



Gary 




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Gary what do you mean by "Again, in light air, a spinnaker is a big s"? 





Thanks, 


Randy 



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Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 1:16:22 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers 





I assume you are talking about a mixed fleet of JAM and chute racers. We have a 
Wednesday night fleet and a club on our river here in St. Michaels – and have 
mixed fleets in each. The Wednesday folks allow a 10% PHRF adjustment for 
non-spinnaker. It works most of the time – in heavy air (where your and my 
30-1’s would be at hull speed anyway) it is enough, in light air, not enough of 
an adjustment. Our courses are in pretty flat water – and end up being mostly 
up and down the river which is up to a half mile wide. The 10% is not enough in 
our rather light conditions. 



After experiencing that, we made some further adjustments for the Saturday club 
which race down the river where there is more room. We use 15% flat adjustment 
for JAM and half that if you are running a cruising chute which is tacked to 
the bow – no sprits and no pole allowed. It seems to work better and provides a 
more equitable adjustment. Again, in light air, a spinnaker is a big s, but as 
it turns out, if you only have a small or inexperienced crew and are sailing 
short legs, being out there with the adjustment is better than mowing the lawn. 
Both of our fleets (many of us are sailing in both series) have a pretty wide 
range of handicaps. 



The fast boats are not helped very much – 10 or 15% of 100 doesn’t make much of 
a difference, but of 200, it does. 



Gary Nylander 

St. Michaels MD 




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Subject: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers 





Greetings folks, 


We have a problem with how to handicap boats that race with jib and main only 
(JAM). The PHRF handicaps basically are for spinnaker racing. I believe that 
there were some clubs, a few only, that adjust numbers for JAM boats. We make 
adjustments to the numbers for our lake conditions and style of boat (older 
displacement etc.), but not sure how to fix JAM. 


Polars that I have seen for about 6 boats all show with chute only. Does anyone 
know if there are polars for downwind sailing without chutes? How can one 
arrive at those speeds? 


Could some of you whose clubs adjust numbers let me know any info you can on 
how that is accomplished at your club? And the rationale behind the adjustment. 


If it gets too specific for the whole list, we can take it offline later to 
keep traffic down. 


Thanks 


Ron 


Wild Cheri 


C&C 30-1 


STL 






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Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

I have no idea – my Win 10 email has a mind of its own – don’t know whether it 
is editing itself or what – every once in a while the cursor just goes away or 
the whole page goes away or something else – I thought it was the wireless 
mouse, but I tried today without it and it still is goofy. 

 

In light air, a spinnaker is wonderful.

 

Gary

 

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Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 12:20 PM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

 

Gary what do you mean by "Again, in light air, a spinnaker is a big s"?

 

Thanks,

Randy

 

  _  

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: "Gary Nylander" mailto:gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> 
>
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 1:16:22 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

 

I assume you are talking about a mixed fleet of JAM and chute racers. We have a 
Wednesday night fleet and a club on our river here in St. Michaels – and have 
mixed fleets in each. The Wednesday folks allow a 10% PHRF adjustment for 
non-spinnaker. It works most of the time – in heavy air (where your and my 
30-1’s would be at hull speed anyway) it is enough, in light air, not enough of 
an adjustment. Our courses are in pretty flat water – and end up being mostly 
up and down the river which is up to a half mile wide. The 10% is not enough in 
our rather light conditions.

 

After experiencing that, we made some further adjustments for the Saturday club 
which race down the river where there is more room. We use 15% flat adjustment 
for JAM and half that if you are running a cruising chute which is tacked to 
the bow – no sprits and no pole allowed. It seems to work better and provides a 
more equitable adjustment. Again, in light air, a spinnaker is a big s, but as 
it turns out, if you only have a small or inexperienced crew and are sailing 
short legs, being out there with the adjustment is better than mowing the lawn. 
Both of our fleets (many of us are sailing in both series) have a pretty wide 
range of handicaps.

 

The fast boats are not helped very much – 10 or 15% of 100 doesn’t make much of 
a difference, but of 200, it does.

 

Gary Nylander

St. Michaels MD

 

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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Ronald B. Frerker mailto:rbfrer...@yahoo.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

 

Greetings folks,

We have a problem with how to handicap boats that race with jib and main only 
(JAM).  The PHRF handicaps basically are for spinnaker racing.  I believe that 
there were some clubs, a few only, that adjust numbers for JAM boats.  We make 
adjustments to the numbers for our lake conditions and style of boat (older 
displacement etc.), but not sure how to fix JAM.

Polars that I have seen for about 6 boats all show with chute only.  Does 
anyone know if there are polars for downwind sailing without chutes?  How can 
one arrive at those speeds?

Could some of you whose clubs adjust numbers let me know any info you can on 
how that is accomplished at your club?  And the rationale behind the adjustment.

If it gets too specific for the whole list, we can take it offline later to 
keep traffic down.

Thanks

Ron

Wild Cheri

C&C 30-1

STL

 


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Re: Stus-List radar mast/pole on C&C 32

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

I used a Questus pole and dampened mount over the backstay of a 1980 C&C for 7 
years.  It looked and worked great.

On Calypso we glassed in an aluminum pole and used a prototype of the radar 
mount sold by PYI with a powerboat trim tab actuator to give us the ability to 
tilt the mount if we planned on being heeled over for a long time.  The tilt 
function has not been used in the PNW but I would use it on a long offshore 
delivery.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 11:50 AM
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Cc: Hans-Erik Andersen
Subject: Stus-List radar mast/pole on C&C 32

Hello - does anybody have experience mounting a radar mast/pole on a C&C32? I 
have some ideas - there seem to be limited options, given the transom, etc. -- 
but it would be great if anybody has some pictures of successful installations

thanks!
Hans Andersen
C&C 32 "Avatar"
Seattle, WA
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Re: Stus-List Racing a 30-1

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

I’ll try to answer your questions, but the 30 is somewhat unique. I say this 
from owning and racing mine for over 20 years. 

 

I have raced both spinnaker and non-spinnaker and picked up my fair share of 
trophies in each. My ex (Admiral – we share the boat) and her husband race her 
now in a mixed fleet and have done quite well, taking the series title a couple 
of years ago (she drives, he grinds and the rest of the crew is pretty good). I 
won our JAM series in 2013 and was second in 2014 (didn’t race all the races 
last year).

 

Crew: five or six for spin – one on bow to hook up the chute and pull down the 
genoa – one on mast – handles pole end and helps on the halyards and adjusts 
the outhaul – everything else on Penniless is led aft, so there can be four in 
cockpit (too many) so spin trimmer is generally standing by the windows. 
Driver, main trimmer (traveler is on bridge deck by companionway, easily 
handled by one person and it is not that vital to jump back to the rail – boat 
is stout as I said), two jib folks, one to let out, and the other to pull in. 
Any more, they go on the rail.

 

For JAM, don’t always need the bow person, so mast person can do both – and no 
spin to trim. Most of the time I like five for JAM, because we sometimes use 
the spin pole with the genoa. And, sometimes we change sails, no furler.

The boat does well on reaches only if you sheet the genoa to the rail or 
further out with a barber hauler device – I have inboard adjustable genoa 
tracks.

 

It helps a lot to have some under 60 folks aboard – young and strong is great 
when hauling in the genoa – it is big.

 

And…. Everybody will tell you – good sails, clean bottom, skilled crew and the 
30 will do well in either fleet.

 

Gary

#593

 

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Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List Racing a 30-1

 

Hi All,

 

I'd welcome any opinions you might like to share on racing a 30-1.  As 
mentioned in the other thread on handicapping JAM boats, I have a choice of 
racing my (new to me) 30-1 in a spinnaker boat division or a non-spinnaker boat 
division (my boat is rigged for spinnaker).  We have ten-week series in my 
club, and I'd have to stay in one division for a whole series (but could switch 
divisions between series).  We also have occasional one and two-day weekend 
races in which I'd have to choose a division.

 

>From what I see in 
>http://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/DARoot/Offshore/PHRF/2014%20PHRF%20Handicaps%20Data.pdf,
> it looks like a 30-1 usually gets a PHRF rating of 174, which would be the 
>third-lowest rating in my club.  We've got a Capri-25 at 173, and an F-240s at 
>170.

 

One of my questions is how many crew are advisable for racing a 30-1, with 
spinnaker or without.  On smaller boats (Capri-22s, J/22s, Merit 25s) we'd race 
and fly spinnaker with three crew - helm, trimmer, and foredeck.  A fourth 
could come in handy in heavy air.  I've gotten a couple indications that I 
should have maybe twice that number for a 30-1.  What are the typical crew 
positions on a 30-1?  If it makes any difference, my spinnakers have dousing 
socks.

 

I race on a lake in Colorado.  The spinnaker division courses are upwind / 
downwind, and the non-spinnaker division courses are triangles.  We generally 
try to set courses so that races last 60-90 minutes.  Weather-wise we have 
varied conditions from night to night.  Some nights are frickin' gusty, with 
Colorado afternoon and evening thunderstorms.  Some nights are light air and we 
run out of beer before finishing :)  Several times a year we get really good 
conditions - a steady 15-20 kt. breeze in which everyone's at hull speed and 
and trying to stay in control and / or reduce weather helm.  Sea state is not 
really an issue, except for some powerboat wake and chop.

 

If there were more light-air nights in a series than heavy-air nights, would a 
30-1 perform better against its PRHF on a triangle course, or on an upwind / 
downwind course?  How many crew (some experienced, some not, all still 
reasonably agile) are needed to handle a 30-1 safely under spinnaker in gusty 
or heavy-air conditions?

 

Thanks in advance for any opinions.

 

Best Regards,

Randy Stafford

S/V Grenadine

C&C 30 MK1 #7

Ken Caryl, CO

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Re: Stus-List CPN 700i - transducers

[Eric Frank via CnC-List]

Steve,

I have a Raymarine Seatalk - NMEA converter, about 3 years old but never 
installed.  As Fred says, it’s only 4800 baud, and only does the “normal” NMEA 
sentences, but it does work in both directions.  You can have it for $100 US 
plus shipping if that would be useful. Contact me off-list if you are 
interested.  efran...@mac.com

Eric Frank
Cat's Paw
C&C 35 Mk II
Mattapoisett, MA

> That Raymarine converter is pretty limited in the data it can convert; and it 
> will only do 4800 baud, so if Steve ever wanted to add AIS, he?s need to 
> throw that away and start over.  And if there?s a reasonably-priced way to 
> get to NMEA2000 (which I?ve suggested to Steve already), I?d definitely go 
> that route, as NMEA0183 is kind of the stone knife of marine data?   :^)
> 
> ? Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> There are SeaTalk >NMEA converters available.
>> Also the CPN700i can certainly provide steering data for an autopilot. What 
>> is can?t do is directly control it the way Raytheon displays can all have 
>> autopilot menus on them.
>> Joe
>> Coquina
>> Ps ? something like this?
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RAYMARINE-E85001-with-cables-PC-SeaTalk-NMEA-Interface-Box-/281939350144?hash=item41a4e51280:g:HvIAAOSwe7BWxhMd&vxp=mtr
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> >  
>> >




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Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Gary what do you mean by "Again, in light air, a spinnaker is a big s"? 

Thanks, 
Randy 

- Original Message -

From: "Gary Nylander via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Gary Nylander"  
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 1:16:22 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers 



I assume you are talking about a mixed fleet of JAM and chute racers. We have a 
Wednesday night fleet and a club on our river here in St. Michaels – and have 
mixed fleets in each. The Wednesday folks allow a 10% PHRF adjustment for 
non-spinnaker. It works most of the time – in heavy air (where your and my 
30-1’s would be at hull speed anyway) it is enough, in light air, not enough of 
an adjustment. Our courses are in pretty flat water – and end up being mostly 
up and down the river which is up to a half mile wide. The 10% is not enough in 
our rather light conditions. 



After experiencing that, we made some further adjustments for the Saturday club 
which race down the river where there is more room. We use 15% flat adjustment 
for JAM and half that if you are running a cruising chute which is tacked to 
the bow – no sprits and no pole allowed. It seems to work better and provides a 
more equitable adjustment. Again, in light air, a spinnaker is a big s, but as 
it turns out, if you only have a small or inexperienced crew and are sailing 
short legs, being out there with the adjustment is better than mowing the lawn. 
Both of our fleets (many of us are sailing in both series) have a pretty wide 
range of handicaps. 



The fast boats are not helped very much – 10 or 15% of 100 doesn’t make much of 
a difference, but of 200, it does. 



Gary Nylander 

St. Michaels MD 




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Frerker via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 2:26 PM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Ronald B. Frerker  
Subject: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers 





Greetings folks, 


We have a problem with how to handicap boats that race with jib and main only 
(JAM). The PHRF handicaps basically are for spinnaker racing. I believe that 
there were some clubs, a few only, that adjust numbers for JAM boats. We make 
adjustments to the numbers for our lake conditions and style of boat (older 
displacement etc.), but not sure how to fix JAM. 


Polars that I have seen for about 6 boats all show with chute only. Does anyone 
know if there are polars for downwind sailing without chutes? How can one 
arrive at those speeds? 


Could some of you whose clubs adjust numbers let me know any info you can on 
how that is accomplished at your club? And the rationale behind the adjustment. 


If it gets too specific for the whole list, we can take it offline later to 
keep traffic down. 


Thanks 


Ron 


Wild Cheri 


C&C 30-1 


STL 




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Re: Stus-List CPN 700i - transducers

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Plus the numbers on the ST40 displays are WAY larger than the little databases 
on the MFD...

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Feb 24, 2016, at 11:09 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Steve
>  
> It is very nice for others to see the numbers, especially depth.  Having the 
> displays visible to everyone and not just helmsman can be a safety feature 
> esp when the helmsperson is not closely watching depth

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Re: Stus-List CPN 700i - transducers

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Steve

It is very nice for others to see the numbers, especially depth.  Having the 
displays visible to everyone and not just helmsman can be a safety feature esp 
when the helmsperson is not closely watching depth

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan 
Plavsa via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 11:58 AM
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Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List CPN 700i - transducers

I was hoping I could get NMEA 183 data from the ST40 heads, through some kind 
of expensive, proprietary converter :)

I'm an IT guy and this stuff just baffles me.

The main functionality I need is navigation. Everything else is a "nice to 
have". $1000 difference one vs the other is what I figure. That's new lifelines 
right there. I don't like to be pennywise and pound foolish but at the end of 
the day both things appear to have the same navigational ability, which again 
is the primary use case. Being able to control the autohelm is a distant "nice 
to have'. Being able to use my existing displays and thru-hulls is a nice to 
have. Replacing my existing thru-hulls and displays with a smart ducer seems 
like it would simplify a lot of things. If I have depth and speed on the 
plotter I don't really need it elsewhere in the cockpit (right now ST40s are 
mounted by companionway).

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Joel makes good points.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Feb 24, 2016, at 9:13 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hey standard horizon will not control the autopilot. Also, he will not be able 
to program the depth offset if you have a generic transducer.
Joel


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Re: Stus-List CPN 700i - transducers

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

That Raymarine converter is pretty limited in the data it can convert; and it 
will only do 4800 baud, so if Steve ever wanted to add AIS, he’s need to throw 
that away and start over.  And if there’s a reasonably-priced way to get to 
NMEA2000 (which I’ve suggested to Steve already), I’d definitely go that route, 
as NMEA0183 is kind of the stone knife of marine data…   :^)

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Feb 24, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> There are SeaTalk >NMEA converters available.
> Also the CPN700i can certainly provide steering data for an autopilot. What 
> is can’t do is directly control it the way Raytheon displays can all have 
> autopilot menus on them.
> Joe
> Coquina
> Ps – something like this?
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RAYMARINE-E85001-with-cables-PC-SeaTalk-NMEA-Interface-Box-/281939350144?hash=item41a4e51280:g:HvIAAOSwe7BWxhMd&vxp=mtr
>  
> 
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Re: Stus-List CPN 700i - transducers

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

There are SeaTalk >NMEA converters available.
Also the CPN700i can certainly provide steering data for an autopilot. What is 
can’t do is directly control it the way Raytheon displays can all have 
autopilot menus on them.
Joe
Coquina
Ps – something like this?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RAYMARINE-E85001-with-cables-PC-SeaTalk-NMEA-Interface-Box-/281939350144?hash=item41a4e51280:g:HvIAAOSwe7BWxhMd&vxp=mtr

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan 
Plavsa via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 10:58
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List CPN 700i - transducers

I was hoping I could get NMEA 183 data from the ST40 heads, through some kind 
of expensive, proprietary converter :)

I'm an IT guy and this stuff just baffles me.

The main functionality I need is navigation. Everything else is a "nice to 
have". $1000 difference one vs the other is what I figure. That's new lifelines 
right there. I don't like to be pennywise and pound foolish but at the end of 
the day both things appear to have the same navigational ability, which again 
is the primary use case. Being able to control the autohelm is a distant "nice 
to have'. Being able to use my existing displays and thru-hulls is a nice to 
have. Replacing my existing thru-hulls and displays with a smart ducer seems 
like it would simplify a lot of things. If I have depth and speed on the 
plotter I don't really need it elsewhere in the cockpit (right now ST40s are 
mounted by companionway).

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Joel makes good points.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Feb 24, 2016, at 9:13 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hey standard horizon will not control the autopilot. Also, he will not be able 
to program the depth offset if you have a generic transducer.
Joel


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Re: Stus-List CPN 700i - transducers

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

I was hoping I could get NMEA 183 data from the ST40 heads, through some
kind of expensive, proprietary converter :)

I'm an IT guy and this stuff just baffles me.

The main functionality I need is navigation. Everything else is a "nice to
have". $1000 difference one vs the other is what I figure. That's new
lifelines right there. I don't like to be pennywise and pound foolish but
at the end of the day both things appear to have the same navigational
ability, which again is the primary use case. Being able to control the
autohelm is a distant "nice to have'. Being able to use my existing
displays and thru-hulls is a nice to have. Replacing my existing thru-hulls
and displays with a smart ducer seems like it would simplify a lot of
things. If I have depth and speed on the plotter I don't really need it
elsewhere in the cockpit (right now ST40s are mounted by companionway).

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Joel makes good points.
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Feb 24, 2016, at 9:13 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hey standard horizon will not control the autopilot. Also, he will not be
> able to program the depth offset if you have a generic transducer.
> Joel
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List 1970 C&C 35 For Sale -- Bidding War in March

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

40 gallons is twice standard and 5 gallons a day means nothing. The engine 
would use around 15-20 gallons in a 24 hour day.
I might be in for $1,000 – who knows?
Joe

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
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Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 09:43
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Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1970 C&C 35 For Sale -- Bidding War in March

His fuel calculation may be off.

On Wednesday, February 24, 2016, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
For anyone that may be looking — 
http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/5461109437.html

Could be a great opportunity.


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log












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Re: Stus-List CPN 700i - transducers

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Joel makes good points.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Feb 24, 2016, at 9:13 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey standard horizon will not control the autopilot. Also, he will not be 
> able to program the depth offset if you have a generic transducer.
> Joel 

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Re: Stus-List CPN 700i - transducers

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Hi, Steve — see answers/comments below:

> On Feb 24, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Kind of a piggyback to Bob's thread. I had never really considered the CPN 
> 700i prior to checking it out today. I'm waiting on pricing from a local 
> chandlery on a list of Raymarine stuff I'll need to buy in order to get an 
> ES75 working on my boat with my autopilot.
> 
> Maybe some of you can chime in on my decision here, Fred especially being the 
> expert and the local guys are really making me wait which is making me shy 
> away from giving them my money.
> 
> I want an ES series Raymarine plotter.
> I have ST40 depth, ST40 speed each with their own thru-hull. The dept ducer 
> is a "thru the hull" type.
> I have an autohelm ST4000 - with the LCD display
> 
> If going the raymarine route I'de like it to all work together and I'm told I 
> need a bunch of accessories to make that happen. That's the list and pricing 
> I'm waiting for now. 

The eS is an excellent plotter; if I were to buy today, that’s the one I’d get. 
 All you’d need to get that working with your SeaTalk1 instruments and pilot 
would be a SeaTalkNG to SeaTalk1 converter kit; then your instrument data would 
show up on the eS, and you could control your pilot through the eS as well.  
It’s a pretty easy install.

> My question to you folks is:
> should I just get the CPN700i because it's about half the price of the 
> Raymarine and a smart transducer to replace my existing speed with 
> speed/depth in one and get rid of the old thing taking up space in my locker 
> (depth ducer in mineral oil). 
> 
> I'de get rid of the ST40 stuff, ebay. Not sure if the CPN700i can control the 
> autopilot but that's not a huge priority. It'd be nice but at this point this 
> season is getting pretty expensive what with the diesel heater and new 
> lifelines to boot.

Why get a discontinued plotter (other than cost savings)?  I think it would end 
up costing you more in the long run, especially when you consider abandoning 
your existing instruments.  And you lose the ability to have the instrument 
displays independent of the MFD.

> 
> The CPN700i is $800 CAD and comes with cmap charts (any good? never had a 
> plotter, don't know)
> The Raymarine ES75 is like $1600 CAD and I would need a bunch of raymarine 
> gizmos to make it work with my depth/speed

Contact me off-list and let me price the eS75 for you; you’re eligible for a 
rebate through April, and I just happen to have a chart chip for US/Canada that 
would work for you, as well.

> Which smart transducer will work best with the SH? Fred, you mentioned Furuno 
> DT800 in Bob's thread. Airmar makes a DT800 that's NMEA 2000, will that work 
> and be less proprietary?

All the transducers for all the manufacturers are made by Airmar; so the only 
“proprietary” thing about them is the connector.  The Furuno comes with the 
proper connector for an NMEA2000 network (which you’d need for a S-H plotter).  
Also, if you’re putting in a smart transducer to replace your ST40s, you’d want 
the DST-800, which has depth, speed and temp.  You’ll also need to buy the rest 
of the NMEA2000 network to connect the transducer to the plotter.

> Seems to me that buying a plotter and a smart transducer is the easiest and 
> most cost effective solution. My concern is that the CPN is like 4 years old 
> now and the Raymarine is brand new. 

I would disagree with the first sentence, and agree with the second.   :^)

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

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Re: Stus-List CPN 700i - transducers

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Hey standard horizon will not control the autopilot. Also, he will not be
able to program the depth offset if you have a generic transducer.
Joel

On Wednesday, February 24, 2016, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Kind of a piggyback to Bob's thread. I had never really considered the CPN
> 700i prior to checking it out today. I'm waiting on pricing from a local
> chandlery on a list of Raymarine stuff I'll need to buy in order to get an
> ES75 working on my boat with my autopilot.
>
> Maybe some of you can chime in on my decision here, Fred especially being
> the expert and the local guys are really making me wait which is making me
> shy away from giving them my money.
>
> I want an ES series Raymarine plotter.
> I have ST40 depth, ST40 speed each with their own thru-hull. The dept
> ducer is a "thru the hull" type.
> I have an autohelm ST4000 - with the LCD display
>
> If going the raymarine route I'de like it to all work together and I'm
> told I need a bunch of accessories to make that happen. That's the list and
> pricing I'm waiting for now.
>
> My question to you folks is:
> should I just get the CPN700i because it's about half the price of the
> Raymarine and a smart transducer to replace my existing speed with
> speed/depth in one and get rid of the old thing taking up space in my
> locker (depth ducer in mineral oil).
>
> I'de get rid of the ST40 stuff, ebay. Not sure if the CPN700i can control
> the autopilot but that's not a huge priority. It'd be nice but at this
> point this season is getting pretty expensive what with the diesel heater
> and new lifelines to boot.
>
> The CPN700i is $800 CAD and comes with cmap charts (any good? never had a
> plotter, don't know)
> The Raymarine ES75 is like $1600 CAD and I would need a bunch of raymarine
> gizmos to make it work with my depth/speed
>
> Which smart transducer will work best with the SH? Fred, you mentioned
> Furuno DT800 in Bob's thread. Airmar makes a DT800 that's NMEA 2000, will
> that work and be less proprietary?
>
> Seems to me that buying a plotter and a smart transducer is the easiest
> and most cost effective solution. My concern is that the CPN is like 4
> years old now and the Raymarine is brand new.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
>
>
>

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Stus-List CPN 700i - transducers

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Hi All,

Kind of a piggyback to Bob's thread. I had never really considered the CPN
700i prior to checking it out today. I'm waiting on pricing from a local
chandlery on a list of Raymarine stuff I'll need to buy in order to get an
ES75 working on my boat with my autopilot.

Maybe some of you can chime in on my decision here, Fred especially being
the expert and the local guys are really making me wait which is making me
shy away from giving them my money.

I want an ES series Raymarine plotter.
I have ST40 depth, ST40 speed each with their own thru-hull. The dept ducer
is a "thru the hull" type.
I have an autohelm ST4000 - with the LCD display

If going the raymarine route I'de like it to all work together and I'm told
I need a bunch of accessories to make that happen. That's the list and
pricing I'm waiting for now.

My question to you folks is:
should I just get the CPN700i because it's about half the price of the
Raymarine and a smart transducer to replace my existing speed with
speed/depth in one and get rid of the old thing taking up space in my
locker (depth ducer in mineral oil).

I'de get rid of the ST40 stuff, ebay. Not sure if the CPN700i can control
the autopilot but that's not a huge priority. It'd be nice but at this
point this season is getting pretty expensive what with the diesel heater
and new lifelines to boot.

The CPN700i is $800 CAD and comes with cmap charts (any good? never had a
plotter, don't know)
The Raymarine ES75 is like $1600 CAD and I would need a bunch of raymarine
gizmos to make it work with my depth/speed

Which smart transducer will work best with the SH? Fred, you mentioned
Furuno DT800 in Bob's thread. Airmar makes a DT800 that's NMEA 2000, will
that work and be less proprietary?

Seems to me that buying a plotter and a smart transducer is the easiest and
most cost effective solution. My concern is that the CPN is like 4 years
old now and the Raymarine is brand new.

Thanks,

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List 1970 C&C 35 For Sale -- Bidding War in March

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

His fuel calculation may be off.

On Wednesday, February 24, 2016, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> For anyone that may be looking —
> http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/5461109437.html
>
> Could be a great opportunity.
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Stus-List 1970 C&C 35 For Sale -- Bidding War in March

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

For anyone that may be looking — 
http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/5461109437.html 
 

Could be a great opportunity. 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 












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Re: Stus-List Racing a 30-1

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

If gusty and triangles and boats are “trying to stay in control or reduce 
weather helm” then bodies on the rail will keep you powered up and fast.  
Otherwise you will need a main trimmer to work very closely with helm to keep 
you on your feet

If you JAM is triangles and everyone is at hull speed then you do not really 
require to be in spin class since there are no DDW legs and the 30 with a large 
genoa should always be moving.

That boat loves it when the wind pipes up.  Put some bodies on board and on the 
rail and do not reef too early and you will kick but on triangle JAM courses.  
Once you get bored of that and when you have 6 persons then try switching to WL 
with the spin

Mike

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Randy 
Stafford via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 1:49 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: randy.staff...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List Racing a 30-1

Hi All,

I'd welcome any opinions you might like to share on racing a 30-1.  As 
mentioned in the other thread on handicapping JAM boats, I have a choice of 
racing my (new to me) 30-1 in a spinnaker boat division or a non-spinnaker boat 
division (my boat is rigged for spinnaker).  We have ten-week series in my 
club, and I'd have to stay in one division for a whole series (but could switch 
divisions between series).  We also have occasional one and two-day weekend 
races in which I'd have to choose a division.

From what I see in 
http://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/DARoot/Offshore/PHRF/2014%20PHRF%20Handicaps%20Data.pdf,
 it looks like a 30-1 usually gets a PHRF rating of 174, which would be the 
third-lowest rating in my club.  We've got a Capri-25 at 173, and an F-240s at 
170.

One of my questions is how many crew are advisable for racing a 30-1, with 
spinnaker or without.  On smaller boats (Capri-22s, J/22s, Merit 25s) we'd race 
and fly spinnaker with three crew - helm, trimmer, and foredeck.  A fourth 
could come in handy in heavy air.  I've gotten a couple indications that I 
should have maybe twice that number for a 30-1.  What are the typical crew 
positions on a 30-1?  If it makes any difference, my spinnakers have dousing 
socks.

I race on a lake in Colorado.  The spinnaker division courses are upwind / 
downwind, and the non-spinnaker division courses are triangles.  We generally 
try to set courses so that races last 60-90 minutes.  Weather-wise we have 
varied conditions from night to night.  Some nights are frickin' gusty, with 
Colorado afternoon and evening thunderstorms.  Some nights are light air and we 
run out of beer before finishing :)  Several times a year we get really good 
conditions - a steady 15-20 kt. breeze in which everyone's at hull speed and 
and trying to stay in control and / or reduce weather helm.  Sea state is not 
really an issue, except for some powerboat wake and chop.

If there were more light-air nights in a series than heavy-air nights, would a 
30-1 perform better against its PRHF on a triangle course, or on an upwind / 
downwind course?  How many crew (some experienced, some not, all still 
reasonably agile) are needed to handle a 30-1 safely under spinnaker in gusty 
or heavy-air conditions?

Thanks in advance for any opinions.

Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C&C 30 MK1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO
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Re: Stus-List Racing a 30-1

[Curtis via CnC-List]

Real good questions. from what I gather fewer sometimes is better. That
being said I don't think the driver should anything but drive and direct
positions.
The tactician needs to focus. he can lose the race by simple missing a
start or a mark.

Racing:

   - Captain/Helm - overall commander and drives boat
   - Tactician - Usually next to captain. Decides course and calls manuvers
   - Mainsail Trimmer - Often the captain will handle this on a very small
   boat. Trims main.
   - Headsail trimmers - Trim and tack headsail. Often trim spinnaker too
   - Pit - On small boats often done by trimmers. controls hallyards and
   topping lift and downhaul
   - Mast - Jumps sails and handles spinnaker pole on symmetrical spinnaker
   boats
   - Bow - The poor bastard who rigs headsails, skirts headsails and is
   generally yelled at by everyone. Most important person on boat.



The ones in blue you can do without. If you are furled on your head-sail or
not,  you still need the position.

Good luck. Let us know how it goes.

Capt, Curtis McDaniel

Dataw Island Marina

Harbor Master



On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 12:49 AM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I'd welcome any opinions you might like to share on racing a 30-1.  As
> mentioned in the other thread on handicapping JAM boats, I have a choice of
> racing my (new to me) 30-1 in a spinnaker boat division or a non-spinnaker
> boat division (my boat is rigged for spinnaker).  We have ten-week series
> in my club, and I'd have to stay in one division for a whole series (but
> could switch divisions between series).  We also have occasional one and
> two-day weekend races in which I'd have to choose a division.
>
> From what I see in
> http://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/DARoot/Offshore/PHRF/2014%20PHRF%20Handicaps%20Data.pdf,
> it looks like a 30-1 usually gets a PHRF rating of 174, which would be the
> third-lowest rating in my club.  We've got a Capri-25 at 173, and an F-240s
> at 170.
>
> One of my questions is how many crew are advisable for racing a 30-1, with
> spinnaker or without.  On smaller boats (Capri-22s, J/22s, Merit 25s) we'd
> race and fly spinnaker with three crew - helm, trimmer, and foredeck.  A
> fourth could come in handy in heavy air.  I've gotten a couple indications
> that I should have maybe twice that number for a 30-1.  What are the
> typical crew positions on a 30-1?  If it makes any difference, my
> spinnakers have dousing socks.
>
> I race on a lake in Colorado.  The spinnaker division courses are upwind /
> downwind, and the non-spinnaker division courses are triangles.  We
> generally try to set courses so that races last 60-90 minutes.
> Weather-wise we have varied conditions from night to night.  Some nights
> are frickin' gusty, with Colorado afternoon and evening thunderstorms.
> Some nights are light air and we run out of beer before finishing :)
>  Several times a year we get really good conditions - a steady 15-20 kt.
> breeze in which everyone's at hull speed and and trying to stay in control
> and / or reduce weather helm.  Sea state is not really an issue, except for
> some powerboat wake and chop.
>
> If there were more light-air nights in a series than heavy-air nights,
> would a 30-1 perform better against its PRHF on a triangle course, or on an
> upwind / downwind course?  How many crew (some experienced, some not, all
> still reasonably agile) are needed to handle a 30-1 safely under spinnaker
> in gusty or heavy-air conditions?
>
> Thanks in advance for any opinions.
>
> Best Regards,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C&C 30 MK1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
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