Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout
Sure, Jeff, but after using both for over 20 years, I've never seen the generic PC-Windows that can hold a candle to a decent Mac. I would never pay _any_ money for the Dell laptop my company provides me, for example, and I use that at least 5 days a week. So Jeff saves 60% buying lesser computer configurations. What do you _do_ with all those savings Jeff? How frequently do you get this opportunity to save so much? And just how long does it take to remove all the demo crap-ware? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Would you pick a surgeon who was an idiot? Or for the WFBs: Would you pick a surgeon who was an idiot because all the good surgeons charge too much? RAAARGH!! STRAWMAN CRUSH!! I know I'm not going to waste any more time than needed to deal with your asinine argument. There, I'm done. Here's a question for the non-Bizarro world: Would you buy a comparable generic drug over the retail version, if it is shown to be as safe and effective and only 40% the cost? (That's 60% less for percentage-challenged Tom.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl
This was first noticed on some generic version of Wellbutrin Sr in which patients were complaining that they did not feel as if their symptoms were being controlled the same as they were under the name brand drug. When studies were undertaken it turned out that the generics were not time releasing properly and in many cases were giving too much of the drug at the beginning and tapering off too fast. Thank you. Exactly my point. Even in the ditch digging profession there are those that know how to do the job right and those who have no particular knowledge or skill. The idiots may charge less per hour, but will require many more hours to do the job, make a sloppy mess of the job site, cause other problems while doing the job, fail to advise you about important related issues, and leave the job with hidden defects that will cost you later to fix. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iTunes: Crap or not. [Was: Launching iTunes on Windows Vista]
This comes across as highly biased and judgmental. On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.com: Out of curiosity, why do you keep using the term Windoze? You used it 3 How about Winblows? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl
Oh my, Thomas, have you uncovered the little known fact that there are bad people in the world? What new secrets will delight us with next? Once again lacking facts or rationality, Jeff resorts to ridicule. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl
I would not have the same level of confidence in cheaper computer hardware and software until there is a CSA (Computer and Software Administration) evaluating all new hardware and software, which of course, is just silly. Excellent point. If Jeff had his way, the stricter regulation would protect us from defective software like the playground for viruses that is Windows. Maybe Jeff is on to something. Microsoft does what it does and shifts the tremendouns costs on to its customers. This is sort of like polluters who dump waste into the river and profit by shifting the cost to the fishermen who lose their fishery and the municipalities who lose their clean drinking water and the public who has higher health costs, loses recreation opportunities, etc. If we had a Computer Review And Protection Agency (CRAPA) then MS would have to pay for toxic clean ups after virus infestations and pay for remediation to prevent future viruse infestations. That would be fair. That would give Microsoft the financial incentive to clean up their crappy software. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Recommendation for simple OSX layout program?
Sometimes good print shops get bad files from customers and have to redo them almost completely. Then they get hell from the customer who gave them a Publisher or Word file, wanting to know why it's so expensive to print their files. But the higher fees at least give the idiots some incentive to find out why the job caused so much of a problem. We teach a class in preflighting files that are sent to commercial printers. One of the class' selling points is the quick return on investment. The printer's up charges on just one job will often pay for the cost of the class. After that the savings continue. The same is true for computers, but clever propaganda makes the victims think that these unreasonable costs are just a normal part of the deal. They buy the cheap computer and then pay and pay and pay to keep the defective product running. They lose productivity and have to maintain an army of fixer uppers to keep their cheap computers running. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iTunes: Crap or not. [Was: Launching iTunes on Wind
This comes across as highly biased and judgmental. Note that Tom does not use such language. (Probably because he is not highly biased.) I don't see anything wrong with being judgmental. The alternative to being judgmental is to be an idiot. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] OS X on Dell Mini 9
Here's a GetConnected spot with a guy who installed OS X on a Dell Mini 9. It's no secret that this was possible, but I'd always heard that you needed a hacked version and that you had to change out some parts that would void the warranty (notably the wireless NIC). But he does it with a retail disk and no parts changes other than installing a bigger SSD (which does NOT void the warranty): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FNU81WgGOE They do mention, sort of offhandedly, that there could be some license issues. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] bridge game for PC?
i'd like a computer bridge game for a PC to help me brush up; haven't played for decades! free or free trial period. I just searched there were so many that it is overwhelming! tia, Judy * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] bridge game for PC?
- Original Message - From: Judy Cosler jfcos...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 9:23 AM Subject: [CGUYS] bridge game for PC? i'd like a computer bridge game for a PC to help me brush up; haven't played for decades! free or free trial period. Join BBO (www.bridgebaseonline.com), practice to your heart's content and play with people from all over the world. It's all free except for some of the tournaments which cost a buck. Enjoy! ...Gail Miller * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iTunes: Crap or not. [Was: Launching iTunes on Wind
Tom, I will grant you this. Perhaps this should accepted as a list standard. I would also suggest we proscribe the use of a dollar sign in place of an s or S when writing Microsoft or abbreviating same as MS. As well as any analogous abuse of the terms Apple, OSX, Mac, etc. On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: This comes across as highly biased and judgmental. Note that Tom does not use such language. (Probably because he is not highly biased.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl
Once again lacking facts or rationality, Jeff resorts to ridicule. I thought your posts were set to that by default. Life's too short, beyond mocking your absurdist reality. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout
Sure, Jeff, but after using both for over 20 years, I've never seen the generic PC-Windows that can hold a candle to a decent Mac. I would never pay _any_ money for the Dell laptop my company provides me, for example, and I use that at least 5 days a week. Good for you, Mark. Now pass the caviar before the chardonnay gets warm. So Jeff saves 60% buying lesser computer configurations. What do you _do_ with all those savings Jeff? How frequently do you get this opportunity to save so much? And just how long does it take to remove all the demo crap-ware? I get my work done and don't have to pay for Steve Jobs' android body replacement fund. Crpaware? You buy computers that come with crapware on them? I don't. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
I would also suggest we proscribe the use of a dollar sign in place of an s or S when writing Microsoft or abbreviating same as MS. As well as any analogous abuse of the terms Apple, OSX, Mac, etc. A while back, someone replied to a message from me and actually changed MS to M$ in the quoted text. MY text. That's inexcusable, as far as I'm concerned. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout
I got into carpentry and wood working in the 1970s; professionally for a few years. Yes, I tried the cheaper tools. But when they broke or could not produce professional results, I quickly bought the more expensive tools. I could not afford the wasted time the cheaper tools caused me. After seeing the difference between cheap tools and professional tools, I am not tempted by the cheap ones, because they caused me to start the tasks over, or they broke when I needed to depend on them. If you can get your work done with the cheaper tools, use them, but I doubt I would want your job. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Good for you, Mark. Now pass the caviar before the chardonnay gets warm. I get my work done and don't have to pay for Steve Jobs' android body replacement fund. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
I use that analogy and will continue to use it. Ballmer is not a computer person, he is a marketing/business guy. Ballmer is only interested in the bottom line. He is the worst thing that could happen to M$, If he does not get his you know what together he will see the demise of M$. I am waiting to see if 7 will be what it is said it will be when it is finally released. This is kind of Ballmer's last chance to fix what he has broken. I still use XP and have not invested money in any new Mac's (I still have some old ones at home.) But Apple only stands to win if Ballmer does not wise up. Stewart At 09:27 AM 4/15/2009, you wrote: A while back, someone replied to a message from me and actually changed MS to M$ in the quoted text. MY text. That's inexcusable, as far as I'm concerned. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout
After seeing the difference between cheap tools and professional tools, I am not tempted by the cheap ones, because they caused me to start the tasks over, or they broke when I needed to depend on them. And yet, millions of professional companies, including many in the Fortune 500 range, manage to get their work done and accomplish their goals using Windows. My company does it every day and it would cost us much, much more to do that on Macs. In fact, some of the jobs wouldn't get done at all, since there is no Mac analog for some software. I buy the basic Dell Optiplex models with few bells and whistles on them; they usually cost me ~$700 with a 3-year, on-site warranty (which I rarely need to use); anti-virus software adds about $35/machine/year. I would call them inexpensive, but nothing like cheap. They generally last onwards up to a decade, long after staff are willing to put up with the slower performance compared to newer hardware. I'm sorry that doesn't jive with your expectations of reality. I wonder what you are doing wrong? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout
After seeing the difference between cheap tools and professional tools, I am not tempted by the cheap ones, because they caused me to start the tasks over, or they broke when I needed to depend on them. Mark, your comments very consistently ignore the fact that many millions of users people have no trouble with the cheap tools we're talking about here. They get done what they need to do without any fuss. You're entitled to your point of view, but repetition does not make fact. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl
If Jeff had his way, the stricter regulation would protect us from defective software like the playground for viruses that is Windows. I like choice and the freedom to choose. You seem to prefer dictates, irrationality, demagoguery and fear-mongering. That about sums up your bag of cheap debate tricks. If we had a Computer Review And Protection Agency (CRAPA) then MS would have to pay for toxic clean ups after virus infestations and pay for remediation to prevent future viruse infestations. That would be fair. That would give Microsoft the financial incentive to clean up their crappy software. You'd think by now the market would have punished Microsoft with vastly reduced sales and profits as consumers switched to an alternative. God knows they'd have to be under a very large rock to not know about Macs and their billions of ad managers served. A smarter person would have realized that perhaps the problem isn't as bad as they think it is and obviously that consumers get something of much greater value to them by using Windows PCs than worrying about malware. People aren't as stupid as the elitist snobs here think they are. They're largely rational and will buy what brings them the greatest value. If they thought Macs would give them the value they need, they would have. By a staggering majority, they haven't. Were this a presidential election, landslide and mandate would be the words heard utttered the most. Oh, and if you want to properly channel House, you'll need more than to call people idiots for not agreeing with you. You need to be not only irreparably damaged, but also brilliant. Any ass can be a malcontent. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
A while back, someone replied to a message from me and actually changed MS to M$ in the quoted text. MY text. That's inexcusable, as far as I'm concerned. I see our Microsoft minders are taking the gloves off. From now on we must all refer to the Behemoth of Redmond in reverential terms. Perhaps bowing our heads as we type and taking care to spell their name correctly. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl
And yet, millions of professional companies, including many in the Fortune 500 range, manage to get their work done and accomplish their goals using Windows. Yes, the 50-cent screwdriver can get the work done -- sometimes. And if it doesn't, you can always lower your standards to the point where the 50-cent screwdriver is adequate. Low aspirations and ridicule of those who say We can do better will get you through the day. The problem at these professional companies is that they fail to compare their costs to proper benchmarks. They don't compare on total cost of ownership. They don't account for lost productivity. They accept things like viruses as normal. They have low aspirations and no desire to do better. Quite sad. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iTunes: Crap or not. [Was: Launching iTunes on Wind
Tom, I will grant you this. Perhaps this should accepted as a list standard. I would also suggest we proscribe the use of a dollar sign in place of an s or S when writing Microsoft or abbreviating same as MS. As well as any analogous abuse of the terms Apple, OSX, Mac, etc. My favorite cognitive dissonance is Betty's, who flips out over someone posting the word MAC (all caps) in reference to Macs, but yet flings about pee-cee with wild abandon to describe Windows PCs. Whatever. Frankly, none of the epithets are woth getting all jazzed up over. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
The main difference I see between Gates and Ballmer is that Ballmer has less vision. Neither are particularly technically-oriented; both tried/try to direct innovation, but neither actually innovated. (Gates is frequented credited with innovations he got from acquiring software rights from start-ups, but at least he knew what to buy.) Neither one has been very interested in user experience and both are executive business officer types - happy as long as they are reaching financial objectives. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I use that analogy and will continue to use it. Ballmer is not a computer person, he is a marketing/business guy. Ballmer is only interested in the bottom line. He is the worst thing that could happen to M$, If he does not get his you know what together he will see the demise of M$. I am waiting to see if 7 will be what it is said it will be when it is finally released. This is kind of Ballmer's last chance to fix what he has broken. I still use XP and have not invested money in any new Mac's (I still have some old ones at home.) But Apple only stands to win if Ballmer does not wise up. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OS X on Dell Mini 9
Quoting Chris Dunford ch...@covesoftware.com: Here's a GetConnected spot with a guy who installed OS X on a Dell Mini 9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FNU81WgGOE They do mention, sort of offhandedly, that there could be some license issues. You'd think if Apple was all that upset about people installing OSX on crappy PC hardware, they'd put more of an effort into shutting down those hackintosh sites. I think they secretly like the unwashed masses using their OS. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout
Use any tools you want as long as you are not charging me for your time. My company pays me a salary and I must use a laptop with XP. Okay, but if they paid me by the job, I would not allow them to choose my tools. I never said anything about numbers. I don't much care what tools people choose as long as I am not paying them for their work. If most people have bad breath, would that be any reason to defend it? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Mark, your comments very consistently ignore the fact that many millions of users people have no trouble with the cheap tools we're talking about here. They get done what they need to do without any fuss. You're entitled to your point of view, but repetition does not make fact. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
A while back, someone replied to a message from me and actually changed MS to M$ in the quoted text. MY text. That's inexcusable, as far as I'm concerned. I see our Microsoft minders are taking the gloves off. From now on we must all refer to the Behemoth of Redmond in reverential terms. Perhaps bowing our heads as we type and taking care to spell their name correctly. OK, so in your opinion it is OK to alter text that you're quoting? I will bear that in mind. Thank you. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
I am not saying Gates was highly inventive, but at least he was involved in the programming from what I understand. Balmer is strictly marketing/business. When Gates talked you saw the Geek come out in him. When Balmer talks you see the evil money grubbing marketing guy come out. Balmer always comes off harsh and a little bit like an ass when ever he gets on TV. My suggestion to him, is find a public person who likes doing interviews etc. and put them out there, and stay off the tube. Stewart At 10:38 AM 4/15/2009, you wrote: The main difference I see between Gates and Ballmer is that Ballmer has less vision. Neither are particularly technically-oriented; both tried/try to direct innovation, but neither actually innovated. (Gates is frequented credited with innovations he got from acquiring software rights from start-ups, but at least he knew what to buy.) Neither one has been very interested in user experience and both are executive business officer types - happy as long as they are reaching financial objectives. Thank you, Mark Snyder Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl
You also have to be Arrogant, insufferable, a Jack Ass, a Never mind, they all seem to fit. Stewart At 10:23 AM 4/15/2009, you wrote: Oh, and if you want to properly channel House, you'll need more than to call people idiots for not agreeing with you. You need to be not only irreparably damaged, but also brilliant. Any ass can be a malcontent. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
You know I have to agree with Chris on this one. More then once without quoting I've been accused of saying something I didn't say in some previous email, more then once but always by the same user.Now we have user(s) on the list changing what is being responded to? On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Chris Dunford ch...@covesoftware.comwrote: A while back, someone replied to a message from me and actually changed MS to M$ in the quoted text. MY text. That's inexcusable, as far as I'm concerned. I see our Microsoft minders are taking the gloves off. From now on we must all refer to the Behemoth of Redmond in reverential terms. Perhaps bowing our heads as we type and taking care to spell their name correctly. OK, so in your opinion it is OK to alter text that you're quoting? I will bear that in mind. Thank you. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl
Yes, the 50-cent screwdriver can get the work done -- sometimes. And if it doesn't, you can always lower your standards to the point where the 50-cent screwdriver is adequate. Low aspirations and ridicule of those who say We can do better will get you through the day. I see you've upgraded your RDF to a RRDF (Reverse Reality Distorion Field). Impressive. Stop, you're making me blush from all your better ideas. The problem at these professional companies is that they fail to compare their costs to proper benchmarks. They don't compare on total cost of ownership. They don't account for lost productivity. They accept things like viruses as normal. They have low aspirations and no desire to do better. Tom's Rule of Social Intercourse #1: Everyone else is quite stupid. All remaining rules flow from Rule #1. Lather, rinse, repeat. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl
They accept things like viruses as normal. They have low aspirations and no desire to do better. Quite sad. Nobody accepts viruses as normal, Mark. As to low aspirations, that's pure BS. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OS X on Dell Mini 9
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: You'd think if Apple was all that upset about people installing OSX on crappy PC hardware, they'd put more of an effort into shutting down those hackintosh sites. I think they secretly like the unwashed masses using their OS. Sure. The guy who demos and explains how the Mac OS was installed on the Dell says, quite pointedly, that once you have used the Mac OS you will not want to go back to using anything else. I'd propose that were Macintosh machines priced closer to the level of the average Windows machine, with the exception of most of the business and government world, that business suit class of workers, Macs and the Mac OS would pretty much take over for all other uses. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
Let's face it, Gates was never much of a computer guy either. I think Ballmer is smart enough to get out of the way and let others do that, putting the office guy in charge of windows development was probably one of the best decisions in 10 years and it wasn't by Gates. While 7 will undoubtedly be a better release then vista, there is still nothing fundamentally wrong with vista except perception. Ask those who *actually* use it. On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: I use that analogy and will continue to use it. Ballmer is not a computer person, he is a marketing/business guy. Ballmer is only interested in the bottom line. He is the worst thing that could happen to M$, If he does not get his you know what together he will see the demise of M$. I am waiting to see if 7 will be what it is said it will be when it is finally released. This is kind of Ballmer's last chance to fix what he has broken. I still use XP and have not invested money in any new Mac's (I still have some old ones at home.) But Apple only stands to win if Ballmer does not wise up. Stewart At 09:27 AM 4/15/2009, you wrote: A while back, someone replied to a message from me and actually changed MS to M$ in the quoted text. MY text. That's inexcusable, as far as I'm concerned. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] e74 XBox Photo
Quoting Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com: http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20090414/e74_error_(2)_610x457.jpg And?. . . http://www.iphonebuzz.com/gallery/files/5/2/2/Crashed_iPhone.jpg Big deal. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: And yet, millions of professional companies, including many in the Fortune 500 range, manage to get their work done and accomplish their goals using Windows. These are the same companies that totally screwed up our economy, are they not? The ones that pay their executives and managers millions upon millions in bonuses for shoddy work and negligent policies? Why be interested in buying cheap computers if millions are going to be blown in compensation packages for nothing? We should take our hints from people like them? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
You know I have to agree with Chris on this one. More then once without quoting I've been accused of saying something I didn't say in some previous email, more then once but always by the same user.Now we have user(s) on the list changing what is being responded to? Yes. My text was quoted, but altered. So far, it appears that Tom thinks this is OK. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OS X on Dell Mini 9
Actually my fortune-100 company is reconsidering their Windows-only policy. This has been gaining momentum since many senior IT administrators are buying MacBook Pro's and setting up dual-boot. The MS-sponsored Apple-tax is as thin as can be; they must stretch beyond truth to make their arguments and are attracting much parody. The costs are closer than you think. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I'd propose that were Macintosh machines priced closer to the level of the average Windows machine, with the exception of most of the business and government world, that business suit class of workers, Macs and the Mac OS would pretty much take over for all other uses. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl
Okay, Chris, I saw that you were offended when someone changed text you wrote and then quoted you. You just grabbed someone's post and attributed it (wrongly to me). Who ever's BS it may be, it is not mine. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- They accept things like viruses as normal. They have low aspirations and no desire to do better. Quite sad. Nobody accepts viruses as normal, Mark. As to low aspirations, that's pure BS. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
Does it take much of a tech? I mean Jobs doesn't have a reputation for being a big tech guy, just a guy with a good solid vision. I've worked with managers who couldn't actually be any number of positions in the company, but knew how to assemble a good team beneath them. Another thing to realize also is that MS has never been a company with vision, they are always following others. Can anyone name an instance where they were first on the scene in a tech way? On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: To many (not really me) Gates had a tech-sheen that softened the business ruthlessness. I suspect Gates left any real involvement with the coding process by the time he got the deal done with IBM to sell them DOS. He got much more tech credit than he deserved, probably because he could see some of the implications much better than (at least) those outside of the tech industry. Ballmer has none of that tech reputation as reach-back. I cannot picture him reading, much less writing, code. At least many people see him as a callous, pompous jack-ass. He is not a good spokesman and I have seen no vision or even genuine understanding of the tech world by Ballmer. He always looks to me like he just won a game show. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I am not saying Gates was highly inventive, but at least he was involved in the programming from what I understand. Balmer is strictly marketing/business. When Gates talked you saw the Geek come out in him. When Balmer talks you see the evil money grubbing marketing guy come out. Balmer always comes off harsh and a little bit like an ass when ever he gets on TV. My suggestion to him, is find a public person who likes doing interviews etc. and put them out there, and stay off the tube. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout
We still have them running the economy so lets keep em on the same computers...why not? On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 9:22 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: And yet, millions of professional companies, including many in the Fortune 500 range, manage to get their work done and accomplish their goals using Windows. These are the same companies that totally screwed up our economy, are they not? The ones that pay their executives and managers millions upon millions in bonuses for shoddy work and negligent policies? Why be interested in buying cheap computers if millions are going to be blown in compensation packages for nothing? We should take our hints from people like them? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:33 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: We still have them running the economy so lets keep em on the same computers...why not? Hey, they'll never switch just like they'll never change any of their ways of doing business. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simple OSX layout
These are the same companies that totally screwed up our economy, are they not? The ones that pay their executives and managers millions upon millions in bonuses for shoddy work and negligent policies? Why be interested in buying cheap computers if millions are going to be blown in compensation packages for nothing? We should take our hints from people like them? Some of them, sure, with more than a little help from Barney Frank and friends. Most of the businesses out there them didn't have anything to do with it and are just as much a victim as you and I are. If one of your neighbors ends up on the sex offenders registry, should we presume that everyone on your block is guilty? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OS X on Dell Mini 9
The cost differences are huge if they are considering apple hardware for running windows... On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Actually my fortune-100 company is reconsidering their Windows-only policy. This has been gaining momentum since many senior IT administrators are buying MacBook Pro's and setting up dual-boot. The MS-sponsored Apple-tax is as thin as can be; they must stretch beyond truth to make their arguments and are attracting much parody. The costs are closer than you think. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I'd propose that were Macintosh machines priced closer to the level of the average Windows machine, with the exception of most of the business and government world, that business suit class of workers, Macs and the Mac OS would pretty much take over for all other uses. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OS X on Dell Mini 9
Quoting phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com: On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: I think they secretly like the unwashed masses using their OS. Sure. The guy who demos and explains how the Mac OS was installed on the Dell says, quite pointedly, that once you have used the Mac OS you will not want to go back to using anything else. I suspect that would be so. But then again, if they've gone through the trouble of installing OSX on a Dell, then they probably wanted it in the first place. Either they're trying to go *to* OSX or *away* from Wind(ows, oze, blows. Take your pick). Either way, they're motivated to keep it. I'd propose that were Macintosh machines priced closer to the level of the average Windows machine, with the exception of most of the business and government world, that business suit class of workers, Macs and the Mac OS would pretty much take over for all other uses. I don't know that it would take over, but I'm pretty sure they'd wind up with a healthy market share. Maybe then the virus writer could stop picking on M(S, $, take your pick). (-: * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
To be a leader in the tech business for any period? In a word: Yes. To be a manager, I'd agree that assembling a good team is very good. To be a leader in the technology industry requires more: some vision, real knowledge of the technology and perhaps some underlying tech principles. Jobs and Ballmer can both lose their temper quickly, but Jobs demonstrates he has those qualities of tech leadership, while Ballmer must cleverly hiding these traits, if he has any of them. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Does it take much of a tech? I mean Jobs doesn't have a reputation for being a big tech guy, just a guy with a good solid vision. I've worked with managers who couldn't actually be any number of positions in the company, but knew how to assemble a good team beneath them. Another thing to realize also is that MS has never been a company with vision, they are always following others. Can anyone name an instance where they were first on the scene in a tech way? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl
Tom's Rule of Social Intercourse #1: Everyone else is quite stupid. There you go again, name calling and attributing to me things I did not write. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl
Did not think it was anything except error. I doubt that the person who changed your (supposedly quoted) S to $ meant to be malicious; probably just a fool. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Okay, Chris, I saw that you were offended when someone changed text you wrote and then quoted you. You just grabbed someone's post and attributed it (wrongly to me). Who ever's BS it may be, it is not mine. Thank you, Mark Snyder Yes, it was wrong, but you'll note that I already posted a correction (my correction is timestamped 12:33, yours is 12:35). The difference is, I made a mistake. The person who altered my text did so deliberately. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
You know I have to agree with Chris on this one. More then once without quoting I've been accused of saying something I didn't say in some previous email, more then once but always by the same user.Now we have user(s) on the list changing what is being responded to? If it were true it would be yet another tempest in a tea pot, something of no consequence. Is somebody writing M$ instead of MS the best diversion from reality that our dear WFBs can come up with? Bottom line is that they can't continue their good-because-its-cheap propaganda campaign any further so they have to change the subject with feigned outrage. Silly boys. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] RAID for the uninitiated
http://fizzlechat.com/2008/11/11/raid-explained/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
Well that depends on your definition of success. Are you saying Ballmer is a failure where Jobs is not? For not having any traits for the tech world, he's done well. On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: To be a leader in the tech business for any period? In a word: Yes. To be a manager, I'd agree that assembling a good team is very good. To be a leader in the technology industry requires more: some vision, real knowledge of the technology and perhaps some underlying tech principles. Jobs and Ballmer can both lose their temper quickly, but Jobs demonstrates he has those qualities of tech leadership, while Ballmer must cleverly hiding these traits, if he has any of them. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Does it take much of a tech? I mean Jobs doesn't have a reputation for being a big tech guy, just a guy with a good solid vision. I've worked with managers who couldn't actually be any number of positions in the company, but knew how to assemble a good team beneath them. Another thing to realize also is that MS has never been a company with vision, they are always following others. Can anyone name an instance where they were first on the scene in a tech way? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
I suppose my definition of success differs from the WFBs; I actually mean success. I cannot think of anything Ballmer has done well at. He inherited the reigns of a moneyed company; does it have more money now? MS spent longer than ever to update its OS, and it is blasted for Vista; it is now rushing to replace vista with W7. It announced the zune to no applause. Has MS done _anything_ successfully with Ballmer at the helm? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Well that depends on your definition of success. Are you saying Ballmer is a failure where Jobs is not? For not having any traits for the tech world, he's done well. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
If it were true it would be yet another tempest in a tea pot, something of no consequence. Is somebody writing M$ instead of MS the best diversion from reality that our dear WFBs can come up with? Bottom line is that they can't continue their good-because-its-cheap propaganda campaign any further so they have to change the subject with feigned outrage. Silly boys. I want to confirm that you are saying it is OK to alter quoted text. I am not talking about someone writing M$, I am talking about someone who deliberately changed text when he quoted it. This is *not* the same as somebody writing M$ instead of MS. In your opinion, this is OK. No crap about Windows, WFBs, reality, or propaganda. Is it OK to alter text that you are quoting, or not? Here is a list of all possible answers to the question: 1. Yes, it is OK to alter quoted text. 2. No, it is never OK to alter quoted text. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl
There you go again, name calling and attributing to me things I did not write. Sure you did. It's not my fault that you believe your own PR. I'm name calling? I hope that you have a doctor's note for your literary Tourette's. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] RAID for the uninitiated
Well done, thanks. I was waiting for someone to chime in about how we really didn't need RAID : )) Richard P. On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 1:54 PM, .com wrote: http://fizzlechat.com/2008/11/11/raid-explained/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
Yes. My text was quoted, but altered. So far, it appears that Tom thinks this is OK Tom looked in the archive and could't find it. Of course Chris' accusation is conveniently vague so who knows exactly what to look for. What I did discover is that there have been 483 posts from many posters that exhibited such orthography. Chris loves stirring up these off topic tempests. That is for sure. Please provide a link to the archive of 2 posts that are the source of your distress and stop with the vague accusations. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OS X on Dell Mini 9
The cost differences are huge if they are considering apple hardware for running windows... Actually running Windows on Apple hardware is a much more pleasurable experience. I was surprised the first time I tried it. Windows blows less when running on good hardware. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
Well that depends on your definition of success. Are you saying Ballmer is a failure where Jobs is not? For not having any traits for the tech world, he's done well. Same goes for John Gotti. What's your point? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gotti * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OS X on Dell Mini 9
Now we have some answers, stop buying crap hardware. On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: The cost differences are huge if they are considering apple hardware for running windows... Actually running Windows on Apple hardware is a much more pleasurable experience. I was surprised the first time I tried it. Windows blows less when running on good hardware. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl
Some of them, sure, with more than a little help from Barney Frank and friends... You really do live in an alternate reality. Rep. Frank is a very smart and talented legislator who is working very hard to work the USA out of the mess the wing-nuts put us in. For many years his was a lonely voice speaking truth to power. His constituents re-elect him time and time again. HOWEVER, what does gay bashing and general hate mongering have to do with computers? Please keep this on topic. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] RAID for the uninitiated
We? Says you :p On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Richard P. richs...@gmail.com wrote: Well done, thanks. I was waiting for someone to chime in about how we really didn't need RAID : )) Richard P. On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 1:54 PM, .com wrote: http://fizzlechat.com/2008/11/11/raid-explained/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Chris Dunford ch...@covesoftware.comwrote: If it were true it would be yet another tempest in a tea pot, something of no consequence. Is somebody writing M$ instead of MS the best diversion from reality that our dear WFBs can come up with? Bottom line is that they can't continue their good-because-its-cheap propaganda campaign any further so they have to change the subject with feigned outrage. Silly boys. I want to confirm that you are saying it is OK to alter quoted text. I am not talking about someone writing M$, I am talking about someone who deliberately changed text when he quoted it. This is *not* the same as somebody writing M$ instead of MS. In your opinion, this is OK. No crap about Windows, WFBs, reality, or propaganda. Is it OK to alter text that you are quoting, or not? Here is a list of all possible answers to the question: 1. Yes, it is OK to alter quoted text. 2. No, it is never OK to alter quoted text. 2 with a caveat. I would clearly Bowdlerize it if the language were getting rough, I needed the quote to make the point and quoting it as is would reflect back badly. The F-bomb gets changed to @#$#% or some such. As for limiting my usage of M$ for microsoggy don't take my rhetorical tools from me. I refuse your dictates on that. It tells you where I'm coming from in two characters. Plus MS is multiple sclerosis and Balmer sure ain't one of Jerry's kids. The Redmond Menace produces some decent stuff every now and again. I was defending Office 2007 a while back. But they do so much badly that they deserve a bit of carping. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
Right I forgot, in your world Ballmer is a fixer, thug...murderer and thief. But you have no hatred for MS and are ever fair minded. I'm sure next you'll compare Steve J to a mix of Ghandi, Obama and a touch of Mussolini...but in a good way. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mussolini On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Well that depends on your definition of success. Are you saying Ballmer is a failure where Jobs is not? For not having any traits for the tech world, he's done well. Same goes for John Gotti. What's your point? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gotti * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl
You overstep yourself. Gay bashing? Keep your so called truth to yourself and mind your own tongue. If you want the topic reset, make the request, don't blather about with idiocy and then reprimand others for doing what you are engaged in. Your putrid hatred is getting old, calling names indeed, you owe the list an apology for this crap. On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Some of them, sure, with more than a little help from Barney Frank and friends... You really do live in an alternate reality. Rep. Frank is a very smart and talented legislator who is working very hard to work the USA out of the mess the wing-nuts put us in. For many years his was a lonely voice speaking truth to power. His constituents re-elect him time and time again. HOWEVER, what does gay bashing and general hate mongering have to do with computers? Please keep this on topic. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl
No gay bashing was intended. I think what they were referring to was Franks refusal to allow Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac come under some sort of supervision a number of years ago that may have tempered some of the problems. No one is guiltless here. Does he work in Washington? If so then he is guilty. Stewart At 01:25 PM 4/15/2009, you wrote: You really do live in an alternate reality. Rep. Frank is a very smart and talented legislator who is working very hard to work the USA out of the mess the wing-nuts put us in. For many years his was a lonely voice speaking truth to power. His constituents re-elect him time and time again. HOWEVER, what does gay bashing and general hate mongering have to do with computers? Please keep this on topic. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
Kind of reminds me of a joke. What is the difference between Steve Jobs and God? scroll down God does not think he is Steve Jobs. (I know a groaner but hey it is a joke!) Stewart At 01:40 PM 4/15/2009, you wrote: Right I forgot, in your world Ballmer is a fixer, thug...murderer and thief. But you have no hatred for MS and are ever fair minded. I'm sure next you'll compare Steve J to a mix of Ghandi, Obama and a touch of Mussolini...but in a good way. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mussolini Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
Please provide a link to the archive of 2 posts that are the source of your distress and stop with the vague accusations. I don't archive this stuff, and I'm not going to spend the time, on tax day, searching in the online archive. It happened. I couldn't care less whether you believe it or not. But you have managed, once again, to avoid answering the question: is it OK to alter quoted text? Yes, or no? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Frank [Was:In Defense of Idiots]
I think what they were referring to was Franks refusal to allow Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac come under some sort of supervision a number of years ago that may have tempered some of the problems. This bit of the discussion is REALLY off-topic, but I can't let that stand without noting that this is a bit of conservative misinformation. Until 2007, Frank was in the minority and had no power to do anything like this. But after the Democrats took control of Congress in 2007, he sponsored HR 1427 to reform regulation of Fannie, Freddie, and others. The regulation would include management of credit and market risk: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR01427:@@@Lsumm2=m; He did vote against a reform bill in 2005, but that's not the whole story. He voted for the bill in committee, but against passage due to a Republican amendment that was added on the House floor. But still it's not fair to say that he refused to allow supervision: he had no power to do so, since Republicans controlled Congress at the time and could do pretty much as they pleased. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] RAID for the uninitiated
http://fizzlechat.com/2008/11/11/raid-explained/ I note from the comments that some didn't get it. Just like here! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] RAID for the uninitiated
mike wrote: We? Says you :p Ditto After years of single-drive failures that had a poor backup scheme, I switched to a RAID setup. I have had a RAID-10 setup for a while now. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl
No one is guiltless here. Does he work in Washington? If so then he is guilty. I work in Washington. I have first-hand experiences of politicians and government bureaucrats. I know that what Rush Limbaugh tells you about them is self-serving fiction. They are mostly good people. You should know better. HOWEVER, please lets stay on topic and stop with the personal attacks and broad brush hate mongering. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Frank [Was:In Defense of Idiots]
This bit of the discussion is REALLY off-topic, but I can't let that stand without noting that this is a bit of conservative misinformation. That's the problem with off-topic bomb throwing. I understand the necessity to put thing right, but that does take us off topic and usually generates many off topic posts. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
But you have managed, once again, to avoid answering the question: is it OK to alter quoted text? Yes, or no? That is obviously a silly thing to do and really serves no purpose. On the other hand it is just graffiti. Now there are places that shoot people for graffiti, but this is not such a place. Are you afraid your handlers will see it and pull your card as an official Microsoft minder? Would it be as ugly as if you were caught in possession of a Macintosh? A friend of mine was elected an officer of the Boston Computer Society's Mac group. His employer found out and he had to choose between his job and his Mac. (He went with his Mac and his employer was shortly thereafter snatched up by Compaq.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OS X on Dell Mini 9
I have never really had problems with running Windows? ... I enjoy and have fun building computers. That may be the WFB-MFB difference. I don't have fun building computers. Computers are a tool for achieving my goals. I enjoy my goals. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl
Yes people, please stay on topic so Tom can preach to us all and then tell us to shush. Maybe if you called some of the listeners homophobes again you'd win more over? On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: No one is guiltless here. Does he work in Washington? If so then he is guilty. I work in Washington. I have first-hand experiences of politicians and government bureaucrats. I know that what Rush Limbaugh tells you about them is self-serving fiction. They are mostly good people. You should know better. HOWEVER, please lets stay on topic and stop with the personal attacks and broad brush hate mongering. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
But you have managed, once again, to avoid answering the question: is it OK to alter quoted text? Yes, or no? That is obviously a silly thing to do and really serves no purpose. On the other hand it is just graffiti. Now there are places that shoot people for graffiti, but this is not such a place. Altering quoted text is hardly graffiti. It ascribes to the original author something that he did not say. It is wrong, and it is very disappointing that you refuse to say so. Are you afraid your handlers will see it and pull your card as an official Microsoft minder? Would it be as ugly as if you were caught in possession of a Macintosh? Speaking of obviously silly, this comment is well past that point. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Frank [Was:In Defense of Idiots]
Yes, and it makes it increasingly difficult to create filters that filter out the off topic or tech philosophy discussions. Every change of topic requires a new filter... db Tom Piwowar wrote: This bit of the discussion is REALLY off-topic, but I can't let that stand without noting that this is a bit of conservative misinformation. That's the problem with off-topic bomb throwing. I understand the necessity to put thing right, but that does take us off topic and usually generates many off topic posts. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Frank [Was:In Defense of Idiots]
Yes, and it makes it increasingly difficult to create filters that filter out the off topic or tech philosophy discussions. Every change of topic requires a new filter... So you only want the whiney posts like I installed the service pack and now have no audio output? I posted a tech question about Windows a few days ago and got no answers. Maybe your filter is working in reverse? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
Speaking of obviously silly, this comment is well past that point. A tablespoon of silly makes the medicine go down. It is not like they made you say I love well-crafted computers or some other bit of blasphemy. It is not nearly as bad as the WFBs campaign to discredit me by insisting I have an anti-MS bias. I resent that intensely. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
This is a very common tactic of yours, claiming because Tom hasn't said something about a behavior that he is condoning it. In the first place this is an invalid argument. In the second place, why do you want Tom to be the arbiter of other people's behavior on this list? The proper person to complain to is the person who did it, so if you want to properly address your complaint to the right person, why don't you search through the list archives, find out who did it, and complain directly to them, with a link to the offending post? That is the right thing to do, even if it is a little late. It really is bad form to claim an offense without backing it up. In other words, I am finding this line of argument tiresome, I don't think that it is making any points for you, and I'd be really happy if you would move to something more substantive. If it were true it would be yet another tempest in a tea pot, something of no consequence. Is somebody writing M$ instead of MS the best diversion from reality that our dear WFBs can come up with? Bottom line is that they can't continue their good-because-its-cheap propaganda campaign any further so they have to change the subject with feigned outrage. Silly boys. I want to confirm that you are saying it is OK to alter quoted text. I am not talking about someone writing M$, I am talking about someone who deliberately changed text when he quoted it. This is *not* the same as somebody writing M$ instead of MS. In your opinion, this is OK. No crap about Windows, WFBs, reality, or propaganda. Is it OK to alter text that you are quoting, or not? Here is a list of all possible answers to the question: 1. Yes, it is OK to alter quoted text. 2. No, it is never OK to alter quoted text. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
David K Watson wrote: This is a very common tactic of yours, claiming because Tom hasn't said something about a behavior that he is condoning it. In the first place this is an invalid argument. In the second place, why do you want Tom to be the arbiter of other people's behavior on this list? The proper person to complain to is the person who did it, so if you want to properly address your complaint to the right person, why don't you search through the list archives, find out who did it, and complain directly to them, with a link to the offending post? That is the right thing to do, even if it is a little late. It really is bad form to claim an offense without backing it up. In other words, I am finding this line of argument tiresome, I don't think that it is making any points for you, and I'd be really happy if you would move to something more substantive. Tiresome? I say infantile! He needs a nap. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
why do you want Tom to be the arbiter of other people's behavior on this list?' Tom is the owner of this list. You should look at what happened here. 1. Someone said that people should stop using M$. 2. I mentioned that someone had not only done that but actually changed MS to M$ when quoting me. Note that I did not say people should stop using M$, just that it was used in an intentional misquote of my own text. 3. Tom, rather than simply saying either nothing or, Yeah, that's not right, says I see our Microsoft minders are taking the gloves off. From now on we must all refer to the Behemoth of Redmond in reverential terms. Perhaps bowing our heads as we type and taking care to spell their name correctly. This strikes as a reasonable response? Really? The proper person to complain to is the person who did it, so if you want to properly address your complaint to the right person, why don't you search through the list archives, find out who did it, and complain directly to them, with a link to the offending post? That is the right thing to do, even if it is a little late. In point of fact, I complained to the person when it happened. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
In point of fact, I complained to the person when it happened. Then the issue was closed long ago. Why drag it out now? This is looking more and more disingenuous. You clearly want to stop a discussion that was not going your way by starting a backfire over trivia. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
In point of fact, I complained to the person when it happened. Then the issue was closed long ago. Why drag it out now? This is looking more and more disingenuous. You clearly want to stop a discussion that was not going your way by starting a backfire over trivia. Tom, as you will see if you check, there was no discussion that was not going my way because there aren't any other messages from me. My last message in the thread was two days ago. All I did was mention that this had occurred, in the context of a discussion of people using M$. Period. Here is my entire message, every word of it: A while back, someone replied to a message from me and actually changed MS to M$ in the quoted text. MY text. That's inexcusable, as far as I'm concerned. As far as I was concerned, that was the end of it. And had you said nothing, that WOULD have been the end of it. But instead you had to post some crap about Microsoft minders, reverence, and bowing. It was hard to fathom because, as you can see, I didn't ask anyone to do anything. I was just saying that intentional misquoting is bad form, and I found it hard to understand why you would respond as you did. The proper response would have been either silence or No, people shouldn't do be doing that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl
HOWEVER, what does gay bashing and general hate mongering have to do with computers? Absolutely nothing, which is why I said nothing of the sort. Oh right, I said something uncomplimentary about a gay man, who just also happens to be a corrupt and power-mad Democratic congresscritter. It must mean that I hate him for his choice in dance partners. It couldn't possibly mean that I disagree with him on a policy issue and hold him personally responsible for a good part of the mortgage mess. So tell me Thomas, what does slander and character assassination have to do computers? You really have lost it this time, my good man. Chug, chug, chug, around the bend. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
It is not nearly as bad as the WFBs campaign to discredit me by insisting I have an anti-MS bias. I have a cunning plan I resent that intensely. BWAHAHAHAHAHA! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl
Oh right, I said something uncomplimentary about a gay man, who just And your reference to the sex offenders registry was just innocent elaboration? But this is getting nowhere. It is just List pollution. Can we all move on and get back on topic? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl
Tom, You should be blogging and/or get back on radio (or podcast) about your technological/social/political views. Also consider comedy writing if you haven't. I'm being serious here. I like the pointed, biting, sarcastic, caustic humor, independent of its content. What do you say? How about Tomstechnorant.com? Randall On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Here's a question for the non-Bizarro world: Would you buy a comparable generic drug over the retail version, if it is shown to be as safe and effective and only 40% the cost? (That's 60% less for percentage-challenged Tom.) Then how good do you feel when you buy that store brand drug and open the package to discover a label inside that says Mfg. by Dr. Tom's Drug Emporium and Spa, Baluchistan, Pakistan. Interested in some low-cost baby formula fortified with melamine? Can I interest you in some discount peanut butter (no questions asked)? Or how about, drugs from a mafia-owned supplier who waters down the doses? Don't do business with convicted felons! This is the real world. Not some bizarro wing-nut world where miracle cures are freely handed out my Munchkins reclining on lotus petals. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] In Defense of Idiots [Was: Recommendation for simpl
And your reference to the sex offenders registry was just innocent elaboration? You really have to have a troubled mind to put those 2 unrelated statements together and twist that into gay bashing. Never mind that you missed my painfully obvious example of guilt by association, which is what the previous poster was doing. And you're calling other people idiots? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ [Was: iTunes: Crap or not.]
Tom looked in the archive and could't find it. Of course Chris' accusation is conveniently vague so who knows exactly what to look for. Taxes filed, I had time to look for this. Your apology is accepted in advance. List: computerguys-l Subject:Re: 7 windows updates! From: Chris Dunford com () COVESOFTWARE ! COM Date: 2005-06-16 0:08:57 [Download message RAW] M$ bashing for it own sake I have no major arguments with the content of your message, but--hoping not to give offense--if you're going to quote messages, please don't alter the quotation. I said MS, not M$, which I think is rather tired at this point (and, frankly, was kinda silly to begin with). Regards, Chris * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OS X on Dell Mini 9
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Actually my fortune-100 company is reconsidering their Windows-only policy. This has been gaining momentum since many senior IT administrators are buying MacBook Pro's and setting up dual-boot. The MS-sponsored Apple-tax is as thin as can be; they must stretch beyond truth to make their arguments and are attracting much parody. The costs are closer than you think. Yep Two OS for the price of 1.5 Machines. Not exactly. Our HP notebook with Vista Business retails for the same price as the base MacBook. We added more RAM to both, Switched out the optical drive from the HP, bought a FW PC card, got the MacBook with a SuperDrive. Price is pretty much equal, except I can run XP Pro [from the PC we just sent to the landfill] on the MacBook. The real result with the MacBook: Two OS for the price of ONE notebook. In businesses that have site licenses for their software, the Mac is the best deal. Otherwise, choose whichever is best for you, but comparable machines have comparable prices. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] OS X on Dell Mini 9
I was surprised the first time I tried it. Windows blows less when running on good hardware. That's hardly news, what's your point? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
