Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

[Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.]

I don't care what Gartner says if APPLE posts differently to the Feds (SEC)
and signs on that it is accurate.  I doubt Apple execs want to go to jail.
Gartner will not go to jail if it provides wrong information.

Eschew Obfuscation

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Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote:
> And, let us not be so smug- the reports over the past two days of
> significant security failures in Macs, iPhones, and iPods means  
> that as
> Apple market share augments, its desirability as a target and its  
> inherent
> flaws will force the (heretofore smug) users of these devices to  
> update and
> add security (antivirus, antispam, and personal security firewalls) to
> preclude the loss/damage of private information.
>
> Eschew Obfuscation

Looks like a case of "Obfuscation" to me.

What "security failures." Should you truthfully be calling it  
"discovery of potential flaws?" It ain't a "security failure" if it  
hasn't been exploited and it hasn't. Just like you are potentially  
deceased, but I'm sure you don't want us to consider you dead. By  
your faulty logic we are all dead already.

> ...as Apple market share augments, its desirability as a target...

This is more faulty logic. Products with large market shares do not  
have to be defective. You use one company, M$, as your model and come  
up with wild assertions. You are not thinking straight.

> the (heretofore smug) users


"Smug" carries too much baggage to be accurate. "Smug" implies  
excessive pride. Mac users pride is hard earned and based on real  
achievement. Only someone with an excessive Windows inferiority  
complex would use the word "smug."

Speaking of having an excessive Windows inferiority complex, did you  
catch the Ballmer anti-Apple tirade...
http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2009/07/31/ballmer-skeptical-of- 
apple-share-gains/

"Share versus Apple, you know, we think we may have ticked up a  
little tick, but when you get right down to it, it's a rounding  
error," he said. "Apple's share change, plus or minus from ours, they  
took a little share a couple quarters, we took share back a couple  
quarters. But Apple's share globally cost us nothing. Now, hopefully,  
we will take share back from Apple, but you know, Apple still only  
sells about 10 million PCs, so it is a limited opportunity."

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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Tony B wrote:

> Glenn claims you better not visit cars.gov (Cash for Clunkers)
> website, or the feds will own your computer. I am unable to reproduce
> his claims.

  Mr. Beck, and I am being kind here to refer to him so reverentially,
also said just a few days ago, again on Fox, that President Obama is
most definitely a racist.  A racist.  He hates, h-a-t-e-s, white
people, so said Mr. Beck.  Pay no attention to this boob.  He's in it
only for the money.

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Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

[Jeff Wright]

> I don't care what Gartner says if APPLE posts differently to the Feds
(SEC)
> and signs on that it is accurate.  I doubt Apple execs want to go to jail.
> Gartner will not go to jail if it provides wrong information.

Yeah, but Gartner will kick sand in their face and hide their sunscreen if
they lie to them.

And we know that Apple *never* lies to the gummint about its finances.


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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[Jeff Wright]

You are being too kind.  Glenn Beck is about as bright as canned tuna.

> -Original Message-
>   Mr. Beck, and I am being kind here to refer to him so reverentially,
> also said just a few days ago, again on Fox, that President Obama is
> most definitely a racist.  A racist.  He hates, h-a-t-e-s, white
> people, so said Mr. Beck.  Pay no attention to this boob.  He's in it
> only for the money.


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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[Chris Dunford]

> You are being too kind.  Glenn Beck is about as bright as canned tuna.

Well, the posters on Fox Nation disagree. In their view he's some kind of a 
god. Of course, Ann Coulter is too liberal for some of them (I am not making 
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Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

[TPiwowar]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 2:16 AM, Jeff Wright wrote:
Yes, I'm sure the FCC is much more knowledgeable about running  
Apple than
Apple is.  The question is whether or not the FCC can squint its  
way past

1934.  I'm not holding my breath, since it still has commissioners
[cough]Copps[/cough] who think we still live in an age of information
scarcity.  If we're lucky, maybe the FCC can party like its 1969.


About the only thing that can get a radical right-wing Mac hater to  
spring to the defense of Apple is the prospect of the people having a  
say in the way things run. I bet he longs for the days when the FCC  
limited its interests to really important things like wardrobe  
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Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

[TPiwowar]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:34 AM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote:
I don't care what Gartner says if APPLE posts differently to the  
Feds (SEC)
and signs on that it is accurate.  I doubt Apple execs want to go  
to jail.

Gartner will not go to jail if it provides wrong information.

Eschew Obfuscation



Apple always downplays the positives and emphasizes the negatives and  
uncertainties in SEC filings. There is no incentive to do otherwise.


I presume your changing the subject to be a tacit admission that your  
assertion about "significant security failures" was horse shit.






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Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

[TPiwowar]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Jeff Wright wrote:

And we know that Apple *never* lies to the gummint about its finances.


Correct. I guess you are not always wrong. Keep up the good work.




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Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

[Jordan]

TPiwowar wrote:

On Aug 2, 2009, at 2:16 AM, Jeff Wright wrote:
Yes, I'm sure the FCC is much more knowledgeable about running Apple 
than
Apple is.  The question is whether or not the FCC can squint its way 
past

1934.  I'm not holding my breath, since it still has commissioners
[cough]Copps[/cough] who think we still live in an age of information
scarcity.  If we're lucky, maybe the FCC can party like its 1969.


About the only thing that can get a radical right-wing Mac hater to 
spring to the defense of Apple is the prospect of the people having a 
say in the way things run.

But he thinks corporations are just really important people!


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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[TPiwowar]

On Aug 1, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Tony B wrote:

Glenn claims you better not visit cars.gov (Cash for Clunkers)
website, or the feds will own your computer.


Pretty typical con/neocon stuff. We see enough of that here. Some  
people just prefer to live in lalaland.


Just imagine if John McCain had won the election boobs like this  
would be running the country and we would be facing the prospect of  
our grandchildren speaking Chinese instead of English.


On Aug 1, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Tony B wrote:

I am unable to reproduce his claims.


You are suppose to take these things on faith. Anything that smells  
even a little bit like science is likely to get you broken on the wheel.





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Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

[Jeff Wright]

> About the only thing that can get a radical right-wing Mac hater to
> spring to the defense of Apple is the prospect of the people having a
> say in the way things run. 

Radical right?  Seriously?  Oh right, that's to turn the mob against me, or
it's the product of your one-dimensional world-view.  I can't really tell
whether it's incompetence or malice, or both.

You do have a say in how things are.  You do know that you can buy other
products, or not buy at all, right?  Right?

But, the idea that *you* have influence over a partisan political process is
laughable.

> I bet he longs for the days when the FCC
> limited its interests to really important things like wardrobe
> malfunctions.

I can't think of a single day in the FCC I long for.

I do, however, long for the day when the FCC building is converted to
low-income housing.  It'll at least do some good then.


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Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

[Jeff Wright]

> Correct. I guess you are not always wrong. Keep up the good work.

*pt*  Apple.  Options.  Restatement.  

I'll presume you know how to google that.


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[CGUYS] CARS.GOV Technically A Joy [Was: Gubmint computer grab]

[TPiwowar]

On Aug 1, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Tony B wrote:

Glenn claims you better not visit cars.gov (Cash for Clunkers)


I have already been there and spent some time reviewing the code.  
These new Obama web sires are really a joy technically.


Very sparse, clean, and well formatted code. Great use of CSS. Great  
to see the best open source frameworks, like JQuery, used to  
implement interactivity. A model for how web sites ought to be coded.  
Worth your time to study.


Shows us what can happen when you hire the very best.


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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Tony B wrote:

> Glenn claims you better not visit cars.gov (Cash for Clunkers)
> website, or the feds will own your computer. I am unable to reproduce
> his claims.
>
> (5 mins) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWs12ccbOiE

  I also experimented by going to the CARS site.  Nothing at all as
was described by Beck and his  shrilly shilling "News Anchor" who was
hosting his diatribe took place.  No "Warning" dialog box was seen by
me upon clicking on every link on the site that i could find

. This "News Anchor," some hottie brunette, was saying that the site
was installing "malware cookies" on the computers of folks who were
navigating to the site.  She is clearly an IT expert as well as having
been a beauty queen prior to being hired up by Fox to be pimped to the
viewing public.

  I saw that the computer Beck was using, one that he claims to have
seen the dialog box on that said visitor's computers would be taken
over by the government and become government property, was an HP
running Windows.  My machine is a Mac.  Perhaps my test was therefore
invalid, and the alleged government possession of one's computer is
limited solely to Windows users.  At any rate, Beck could not get that
alleged dialog box to appear while he was on the air, and he reverted
instead to displaying some text on screen to simulate what he claims
to have seen.  Too bad that outright lying on news programs is not
illegal.  His ass is covered and he knows it.

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[CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

[db]

I'm looking for an all in one wireless keyboard with mouse or pointer 
device that can be used for sitting back and working from your lap.   
Can anyone recommend such?


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Re: [CGUYS] CARS.GOV Technically A Joy [Was: Gubmint computer grab]

[Chris Dunford]

> Very sparse, clean, and well formatted code. Great use of CSS. Great
> to see the best open source frameworks, like JQuery, used to
> implement interactivity. A model for how web sites ought to be coded.
> Worth your time to study.
> 
> Shows us what can happen when you hire the very best.

Don't let this out, because the neocons will use it as proof that Obama spent 
[insert arbitrary large figure, often $17 mil] on a web site. It's not true, 
but that sort of thing doesn't get in the way
of the birther-types over at FoxNation.


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Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

[Jeff Wright]

> ... Mac hater...

Yes, that must be why I want the FCC to piss off and Apple to do what it
chooses to do with its own products. Brilliant deduction, Sherlock.

And let's be perfectly clear about this:  I don't hate Macs or Apple.  Apple
fleeces its customers with its profit margins, but its customers happily and
knowingly give over a portion of their wealth without questioning this.
But, it's no skin off my nose if they choose to do such a foolish thing.  I
have other purchasing options.

Apple certainly makes some very nice hardware with tight engineering.  While
I don't agree with all of their design choices, Apple's design standards are
top flight.  OS X is very nice, easy on the eyes and has features worth
admiring.  Windows should be so easy to upgrade or to install apps.  The
iPhone obviously has tremendous value that a substantial portion of the
smart phone market agrees with and buys enthusiastically in great amounts.
It's just not an enthusiasm that I share.

It's Apple's user base that sucks, not its products.  An obnoxious, smug,
asinine, shun-worthy group if ever there was.


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[CGUYS] Just Imagine

[Matthew Taylor]

Imagine this:

1.  We would not be looking at record deficits
2.  We would not be elevating tax cheats to positions of power.
3.  The president would not be calling police responding to 911 calls  
stupid.
4.  We would not be about to confirm a Supreme Court justice who does  
not accept a right to self defense, who thinks foreign law (outside of  
treaties) has bearing on the US Constitution, and who flat out lies to  
congress to get confirmed.

5.  The government would own a majority stakes in GM
6.  We would not need a site such as this:
/http://joebidensaidthat.com/

Yeah, just imagine.

Matthew


On Aug 2, 2009, at 2:56 PM, TPiwowar wrote:

Just imagine if John McCain had won the election boobs like this  
would be running the country and we would be facing the prospect of  
our grandchildren speaking Chinese instead of English.



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[CGUYS] Selection bias?

[Matthew Taylor]

Found this on an organization career interest site:

 This application cannot be successfully completed with a Mac.

Must have some really sharp web designers there, eh?

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Re: [CGUYS] CARS.GOV Technically A Joy [Was: Gubmint computer grab]

[Mike]

And spend millions for what should cost thousands. Their website  
should be a little more then pretty for what we paid.


Sent from my iPod

On Aug 2, 2009, at 12:05 PM, TPiwowar  wrote:


On Aug 1, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Tony B wrote:

Glenn claims you better not visit cars.gov (Cash for Clunkers)


I have already been there and spent some time reviewing the code.  
These new Obama web sires are really a joy technically.


Very sparse, clean, and well formatted code. Great use of CSS. Great  
to see the best open source frameworks, like JQuery, used to  
implement interactivity. A model for how web sites ought to be  
coded. Worth your time to study.


Shows us what can happen when you hire the very best.


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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[mike]

That neocon label you toss around is really a moving target, I can't get a
lock on who manages to become one of those except those who you don't agree
with and you don't want to actually debate and just start calling names.

BTW, the other boob that was elected is doing the same thing, he's just
better at it.

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 11:56 AM, TPiwowar  wrote:

> On Aug 1, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Tony B wrote:
>
>> Glenn claims you better not visit cars.gov (Cash for Clunkers)
>> website, or the feds will own your computer.
>>
>
> Pretty typical con/neocon stuff. We see enough of that here. Some people
> just prefer to live in lalaland.
>
> Just imagine if John McCain had won the election boobs like this would be
> running the country and we would be facing the prospect of our grandchildren
> speaking Chinese instead of English.
>
> On Aug 1, 2009, at 10:02 PM, Tony B wrote:
>
>> I am unable to reproduce his claims.
>>
>
> You are suppose to take these things on faith. Anything that smells even a
> little bit like science is likely to get you broken on the wheel.
>
>
>
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Re: [CGUYS] Selection bias?

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote:

> Found this on an organization career interest site:
>
>  This application cannot be successfully completed with a Mac.
>
> Must have some really sharp web designers there, eh?

  That is called "pre-screening," somewhat akin to "red lining."
What's the phone number for the EEOC?

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Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:

> It's Apple's user base that sucks, not its products.  An obnoxious, smug,
> asinine, shun-worthy group if ever there was.

  Ouch!  That hurt.  Do you always paint with such a wide brush?  The
painter's union would not like that very much.

  However, I see that Randall Terry, the acerbic and uber-rabid
"right-to-lifer" has a Mac on his desk, so I guess it is true that at
least some Mac users meet the criteria you have set forth.  We're
getting ready to boot him out of the club, along with Rush.

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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[mike]

BTW, the warning that Beck describes does come up, and it does come from a
.gov website but it's the esc.gov website.  The page Beck was showing was
for dealers, LOGIN/PASS protected for dealers enrolled in the cash for
slaughtering pigs...I mean buying clunkers program.  I keep confusing this
president with the one who totaled our economy LAST time.

And for those left wing Che lovers who think the big O is Jesus...I got the
info for this from your bible.  DailyKos.

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 12:10 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Tony B wrote:
>
> > Glenn claims you better not visit cars.gov (Cash for Clunkers)
> > website, or the feds will own your computer. I am unable to reproduce
> > his claims.
> >
> > (5 mins) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWs12ccbOiE
>
>   I also experimented by going to the CARS site.  Nothing at all as
> was described by Beck and his  shrilly shilling "News Anchor" who was
> hosting his diatribe took place.  No "Warning" dialog box was seen by
> me upon clicking on every link on the site that i could find
>
> . This "News Anchor," some hottie brunette, was saying that the site
> was installing "malware cookies" on the computers of folks who were
> navigating to the site.  She is clearly an IT expert as well as having
> been a beauty queen prior to being hired up by Fox to be pimped to the
> viewing public.
>
>  I saw that the computer Beck was using, one that he claims to have
> seen the dialog box on that said visitor's computers would be taken
> over by the government and become government property, was an HP
> running Windows.  My machine is a Mac.  Perhaps my test was therefore
> invalid, and the alleged government possession of one's computer is
> limited solely to Windows users.  At any rate, Beck could not get that
> alleged dialog box to appear while he was on the air, and he reverted
> instead to displaying some text on screen to simulate what he claims
> to have seen.  Too bad that outright lying on news programs is not
> illegal.  His ass is covered and he knows it.
>
>  Steve
>
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Re: [CGUYS] Just Imagine

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote:

> 1.  We would not be looking at record deficits

  Who are you blaming for that?


> 2.  We would not be elevating tax cheats to positions of power.

  Is this something new?


> 3.  The president would not be calling police responding to 911 calls
> stupid.

  He didn't call them stupid.


> 4.  We would not be about to confirm a Supreme Court justice who does not
> accept a right to self defense, who thinks foreign law (outside of treaties)
> has bearing on the US Constitution, and who flat out lies to congress to get
> confirmed.

  Give us all bazookas, howitzers and other artillery.  Why are most
explosive weapons banned if we have an absolute right to keep and bear
arms?

  We poop on treaties.  Just ask our own original inhabitants.


> 5.  The government would own a majority stakes in GM

  Really?  You know that for a fact?


> 6.  We would not need a site such as this:
>/http://joebidensaidthat.com/

  We really don't need such a site, we just happen to have one.  Ain't
America great?  I'll take a VP who merely says some dumb things as
opposed to a VP, Cheney, who says and then actually does dumb things.

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Just Imagine

[TPiwowar]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:07 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

We really don't need such a site, we just happen to have one.  Ain't
America great?  I'll take a VP who merely says some dumb things as
opposed to a VP, Cheney, who says and then actually does dumb things.


Is being a truth teller really stupid? Would you really prefer a  
silver tongued liar?





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Re: [CGUYS] CARS.GOV Technically A Joy [Was: Gubmint computer grab]

[TPiwowar]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 3:37 PM, Chris Dunford wrote:
Don't let this out, because the neocons will use it as proof that  
Obama spent [insert arbitrary large figure, often $17 mil] on a web  
site. It's not true, but that sort of thing doesn't get in the way  
of the birther-types over at FoxNation.


I don't know what they are spending. Looking at the code I would  
expect that the cost is not that high. People who code this well  
typically get their work done very quickly and efficiently.


But why can't out "birthers" keep this at a technical level? The web  
sites are really well coded. That should not be ideological. If the  
cons/neocons had ever managed to do something in an intelligent and  
business-like way I would have been able to acknowledge it.





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Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

[TPiwowar]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 3:36 PM, db wrote:

wireless keyboard with mouse


http://www.google.com/products?rls=en&q=wireless+keyboard+with+mouse



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Re: [CGUYS] Just Imagine

[mike]

Come on, we're talking about Joe...he's far from silver tongued...

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 2:26 PM, TPiwowar  wrote:

> On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:07 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> We really don't need such a site, we just happen to have one.  Ain't
>> America great?  I'll take a VP who merely says some dumb things as
>> opposed to a VP, Cheney, who says and then actually does dumb things.
>>
>
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> tongued liar?
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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

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On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:54 PM, mike wrote:

> BTW, the warning that Beck describes does come up, and it does come from a
> .gov website but it's the esc.gov website.  The page Beck was showing was
> for dealers, LOGIN/PASS protected for dealers enrolled in the cash for
> slaughtering pigs...I mean buying clunkers program.  I keep confusing this
> president with the one who totaled our economy LAST time.

  Lets be clear about this.  Beck flat out says on that Fox News piece
that the site is CARS.GOV and he warns all of America, clearly meaning
we the people, not to log onto that site.  He makes no mention
whatsoever about any other website, such as the one that you have
pointed out.  He does say that dealers who log onto their area of the
site, which is password protected and not available to the general
public, are presented with this notice.

  However, with the help of the brunette ex-beauty queen News
anchorette, both he and she then devolve into a rant about how
ordinary Americans, seeking to take advantage of this CARS program,
will find themselves mired in a morass of "malware cookies" and
turning over their computers to the federal government.  Therein you
find the lies and distortions.

  By the way, who was this last President who totaled our economy?

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Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

[Tony B]

No, but a comment in general. We got a wireless mouse/keyboard combo
once a couple years back. Turns out it's not nearly as useful as it
seems at first. After the tenth time in an hour you rock forward to
read something on the screen, you end up just staying there. The
keyboard rarely leaves the desk after the first few days.

Similarly, game playing is impossible without the keyboard being
stable in one spot.


On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:36 PM, db wrote:
> I'm looking for an all in one wireless keyboard with mouse or pointer device
> that can be used for sitting back and working from your lap.   Can anyone
> recommend such?


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Re: [CGUYS] CARS.GOV Technically A Joy [Was: Gubmint computer grab]

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Mike wrote:

> And spend millions for what should cost thousands. Their website should be a
> little more then pretty for what we paid.

  Apparently their website is quite a bit more than just pretty for
what we paid.  According to Beck and the anchorette, that website has
capabilities similar to what one would find at the NSA, capable of
taking over your computer and doing anything it wants with any and all
of your data, even turning it over to foreign governments, such as
Pakistan or Absurdistan.

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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[mike]

I never said he was right.  I just said the site exists.



On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 2:36 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:54 PM, mike wrote:
>
> > BTW, the warning that Beck describes does come up, and it does come from
> a
> > .gov website but it's the esc.gov website.  The page Beck was showing
> was
> > for dealers, LOGIN/PASS protected for dealers enrolled in the cash for
> > slaughtering pigs...I mean buying clunkers program.  I keep confusing
> this
> > president with the one who totaled our economy LAST time.
>
>   Lets be clear about this.  Beck flat out says on that Fox News piece
> that the site is CARS.GOV and he warns all of America, clearly meaning
> we the people, not to log onto that site.  He makes no mention
> whatsoever about any other website, such as the one that you have
> pointed out.  He does say that dealers who log onto their area of the
> site, which is password protected and not available to the general
> public, are presented with this notice.
>
>  However, with the help of the brunette ex-beauty queen News
> anchorette, both he and she then devolve into a rant about how
> ordinary Americans, seeking to take advantage of this CARS program,
> will find themselves mired in a morass of "malware cookies" and
> turning over their computers to the federal government.  Therein you
> find the lies and distortions.
>
>  By the way, who was this last President who totaled our economy?
>
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Re: [CGUYS] CARS.GOV Technically A Joy [Was: Gubmint computer grab]

[mike]

AWESOME!  We're good then.  WOOHOO.

Actually you don't need the NSA to take over your system, just an iPhone and
a couple of texts..

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 2:41 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Mike wrote:
>
> > And spend millions for what should cost thousands. Their website should
> be a
> > little more then pretty for what we paid.
>
>   Apparently their website is quite a bit more than just pretty for
> what we paid.  According to Beck and the anchorette, that website has
> capabilities similar to what one would find at the NSA, capable of
> taking over your computer and doing anything it wants with any and all
> of your data, even turning it over to foreign governments, such as
> Pakistan or Absurdistan.
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Re: [CGUYS] Selection bias?

[TPiwowar]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote:

Found this on an organization career interest site:
 This application cannot be successfully completed with a Mac.
Must have some really sharp web designers there, eh?


This lets applicants know up front that it is an oppressive workplace  
ruled by IT trolls. Management is either clueless or terrified.  
Productivity is probably very low. Hence salaries will be well below  
average. Nice to know that before wasting time on the application.





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Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

[TPiwowar]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:

I do, however, long for the day when the FCC building is converted to
low-income housing.  It'll at least do some good then.


Then Rupert Murdoch could do to us what Berlusconi did to the  
Italians. You would love that.





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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[Matthew Taylor]

FDR
On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:36 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:


By the way, who was this last President who totaled our economy?



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Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

[TPiwowar]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 3:35 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
Yes, that must be why I want the FCC to piss off and Apple to do  
what it

chooses to do with its own products. Brilliant deduction, Sherlock.


Baseball without umpires. Makes a lot of sense. About the only thing  
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Re: [CGUYS] Just Imagine

[TPiwowar]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:38 PM, mike wrote:

Come on, we're talking about Joe...he's far from silver tongued...


And from time to time he lets the truth slip out. I find that endearing.




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Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

[Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.]

Absolutely NOT, Tom.  There just is no point in debating facts with one who
only wants to employ facts that either are invented (Gartner clearly
contravenes Apple- and the penalties for lying- in spite of your coy,
smart-aleck reply- require jail time of some sort or another) or invented
out of thin air.
And, the same experts that enunciated this exploits are the ones who
enunciated them for M$ that M$ failed to act upon, leaving problems for us.
Apple knew of at least some of these- and did not act- but one would hope
now that they are more publically available- will respond. If not, guard
your data and your mailing lists- and your phones.

Eschew Obfuscation

This is a reply from: 
Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. 
  Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services
for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization

  703.548.1343 voice 
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are YOUR adjuvancy

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Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:34 AM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote:
> I don't care what Gartner says if APPLE posts differently to the  
> Feds (SEC)
> and signs on that it is accurate.  I doubt Apple execs want to go  
> to jail.
> Gartner will not go to jail if it provides wrong information.
>
> Eschew Obfuscation


Apple always downplays the positives and emphasizes the negatives and  
uncertainties in SEC filings. There is no incentive to do otherwise.

I presume your changing the subject to be a tacit admission that your  
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Re: [CGUYS] Just Imagine

[mike]

Well he's one of the longest serving politicians in the senate.  He's bound
to have mistakenly told the truth once in awhile.

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 2:53 PM, TPiwowar  wrote:

> On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:38 PM, mike wrote:
>
>> Come on, we're talking about Joe...he's far from silver tongued...
>>
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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[TPiwowar]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 4:54 PM, mike wrote:
BTW, the warning that Beck describes does come up, and it does come  
from a

.gov website but it's the esc.gov website.


Yuck! The esc.gov website is really gross.

It uses spacer.gifs! OMG! It uses spacer.gifs!

It uses tables for layout! OMG! It uses tables for layout!

It uses DOCTYPE HTML 4.01 Transitional! OMG! It uses DOCTYPE HTML  
4.01 Transitional!


It does not use CSS for layout! OMG! It does not use CSS for layout!

It probably cost the government a lot of money.




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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[TPiwowar]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:51 PM, mike wrote:

I never said he was right.  I just said the site exists.


I tracked it down. It is here...
http://maps.google.com/maps?latlng=5796664799538147458




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Re: [CGUYS] CARS.GOV Technically A Joy [Was: Gubmint computer grab]

[TPiwowar]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:53 PM, mike wrote:
Actually you don't need the NSA to take over your system, just an  
iPhone and

a couple of texts..


You keep insisting on things that never happened while ignoring  
things that happen all the time. You are definitely living in lalaland.





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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[mike]

Are you sure?  I think the FEMA camps are there...

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:12 PM, TPiwowar  wrote:

> On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:51 PM, mike wrote:
>
>> I never said he was right.  I just said the site exists.
>>
>
> I tracked it down. It is here...
> http://maps.google.com/maps?latlng=5796664799538147458
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Re: [CGUYS] CARS.GOV Technically A Joy [Was: Gubmint computer grab]

[mike]

LALALALALA

Make sure you tell everyone that was at blackhat that it didn't happen.

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:18 PM, TPiwowar  wrote:

> On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:53 PM, mike wrote:
>
>> Actually you don't need the NSA to take over your system, just an iPhone
>> and
>> a couple of texts..
>>
>
> You keep insisting on things that never happened while ignoring things that
> happen all the time. You are definitely living in lalaland.
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Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

[TPiwowar]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote:
Absolutely NOT, Tom.  There just is no point in debating facts with  
one who

only wants to employ facts that either are invented (Gartner clearly
contravenes Apple- and the penalties for lying- in spite of your coy,
smart-aleck reply- require jail time of some sort or another) or  
invented

out of thin air.


You are out in lalaland. Apple always does this. It is well known.  
Stock bloggers complain about this all the time...


"But that picture, perfectly tells the story on AAPL's earnings  
tonight, and AAPL's phony guidance.
Put a picture out for a billion Apps, when they've done 1.5 billion,  
and it's misleading.
But purposely underestimate your earnings numbers, and it's not. It's  
just Wall Street.

After all, isn't that how AAPL works?"
http://aaronandmoses.blogspot.com/2009/07/apple-on-deck-for- 
earnings.html


On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote:

And, the same experts that enunciated this exploits are the ones who
enunciated them for M$ that M$ failed to act upon, leaving problems  
for us.
Apple knew of at least some of these- and did not act- but one  
would hope
now that they are more publically available- will respond. If not,  
guard

your data and your mailing lists- and your phones.


There you are in lalaland again. The patch was out the next day.  
Nothing was ever exploited. You keep fuming about things that never  
happened and then get all bent out of shape when I cite things that  
did happen. You live a fantasy.





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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote:

> FDR

  That's who I thought you meant.  Hadda be a democrat, right?  I was
thinkin' of someone else.

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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:51 PM, mike wrote:

> I never said he was right.  I just said the site exists.

  Worse than not right.  Call it outright fabrication.

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Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

[mike]

It was never exploited out in the wild.  The patch was out weeks after Apple
knew about it, not the next day.   The patch was out the day after the
exploit was shown at the blackhat conference, Apple realized they couldn't
put it off anymore.

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:29 PM, TPiwowar  wrote:

> On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote:
>
>> Absolutely NOT, Tom.  There just is no point in debating facts with one
>> who
>> only wants to employ facts that either are invented (Gartner clearly
>> contravenes Apple- and the penalties for lying- in spite of your coy,
>> smart-aleck reply- require jail time of some sort or another) or invented
>> out of thin air.
>>
>
> You are out in lalaland. Apple always does this. It is well known. Stock
> bloggers complain about this all the time...
>
> "But that picture, perfectly tells the story on AAPL's earnings tonight,
> and AAPL's phony guidance.
> Put a picture out for a billion Apps, when they've done 1.5 billion, and
> it's misleading.
> But purposely underestimate your earnings numbers, and it's not. It's just
> Wall Street.
> After all, isn't that how AAPL works?"
> http://aaronandmoses.blogspot.com/2009/07/apple-on-deck-for-earnings.html
>
> On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote:
>
>> And, the same experts that enunciated this exploits are the ones who
>> enunciated them for M$ that M$ failed to act upon, leaving problems for
>> us.
>> Apple knew of at least some of these- and did not act- but one would hope
>> now that they are more publically available- will respond. If not, guard
>> your data and your mailing lists- and your phones.
>>
>
> There you are in lalaland again. The patch was out the next day. Nothing
> was ever exploited. You keep fuming about things that never happened and
> then get all bent out of shape when I cite things that did happen. You live
> a fantasy.
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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[TPiwowar]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 3:10 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

This "News Anchor," some hottie brunette, was saying that the site
was installing "malware cookies" on the computers of folks who were
navigating to the site.  She is clearly an IT expert as well as having
been a beauty queen prior to being hired up by Fox to be pimped to the
viewing public.


It was amazing how she prattled on. Did you catch the part at about  
2:07 where she said people were going to the CARS site to make a  
"charitable contribution" to "do something that's good?" She did not  
know that people were going there to score $4,500. Absolutely clueless.


I think these cons/neocons live in an alternate universe.

And now "'Cash-for-Clunkers' Becomes a Republican Target"
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/02/cash-for-clunkers- 
become-a-republican-target/?hp


It is popular and successful so they have to kill it. It their world  
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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[mike]

I didn't answer, so you don't know who I meant.

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:36 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Matthew Taylor
> wrote:
>
> > FDR
>
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> thinkin' of someone else.
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[TPiwowar]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:37 PM, mike wrote:
It was never exploited out in the wild.  The patch was out weeks  
after Apple

knew about it, not the next day.   The patch was out the day after the
exploit was shown at the blackhat conference, Apple realized they  
couldn't

put it off anymore.


It is amusing to watch you desperately cling to your lalaland passport.




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Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

[TPiwowar]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Tony B wrote:

No, but a comment in general. We got a wireless mouse/keyboard combo
once a couple years back. Turns out it's not nearly as useful as it
seems at first.


Tony is correct.

Connection tends to wander off and on at times too. Not so good for  
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Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

[mike]

That's true, I cling.  I note you can't dispute the facts however.

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:49 PM, TPiwowar  wrote:

> On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:37 PM, mike wrote:
>
>> It was never exploited out in the wild.  The patch was out weeks after
>> Apple
>> knew about it, not the next day.   The patch was out the day after the
>> exploit was shown at the blackhat conference, Apple realized they couldn't
>> put it off anymore.
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[Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.]

That's EXACTLY what I mean, Tom. FACTS!
Your example is what they prognosticate- so they can always beat the
numbers. 
What they report- that's real.
Please keep to reality- and not like they do on reality TV.

Eschew Obfuscation

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On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote:
> Absolutely NOT, Tom.  There just is no point in debating facts with  
> one who
> only wants to employ facts that either are invented (Gartner clearly
> contravenes Apple- and the penalties for lying- in spite of your coy,
> smart-aleck reply- require jail time of some sort or another) or  
> invented
> out of thin air.

You are out in lalaland. Apple always does this. It is well known.  
Stock bloggers complain about this all the time...

"But that picture, perfectly tells the story on AAPL's earnings  
tonight, and AAPL's phony guidance.
Put a picture out for a billion Apps, when they've done 1.5 billion,  
and it's misleading.
But purposely underestimate your earnings numbers, and it's not. It's  
just Wall Street.
After all, isn't that how AAPL works?"
http://aaronandmoses.blogspot.com/2009/07/apple-on-deck-for- 
earnings.html

On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote:
> And, the same experts that enunciated this exploits are the ones who
> enunciated them for M$ that M$ failed to act upon, leaving problems  
> for us.
> Apple knew of at least some of these- and did not act- but one  
> would hope
> now that they are more publically available- will respond. If not,  
> guard
> your data and your mailing lists- and your phones.

There you are in lalaland again. The patch was out the next day.  
Nothing was ever exploited. You keep fuming about things that never  
happened and then get all bent out of shape when I cite things that  
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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:45 PM, mike wrote:

> I didn't answer, so you don't know who I meant.

  Oh, yes I did.

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:52 PM, TPiwowar wrote:

> Tony is correct.
>
> Connection tends to wander off and on at times too. Not so good for games.

  I also understand that the bluetooth connection, because it is
pulsed as opposed to continuous, presents problems as well.

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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[Matthew Taylor]

You said totaled, not damaged.  Lots of P's have damaged it, R & D  
both.  Bush II, Clinton, Bush I, Carter,  Nixon, Johnson.


FDR was the last one to do such serious, systemic, harm that it the  
effects are still active today.


On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:36 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Matthew Taylor> wrote:



FDR


 That's who I thought you meant.  Hadda be a democrat, right?  I was
thinkin' of someone else.

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Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

[mike]

I have a wireless mouse with no issues.  I don't game much...just URT URT.

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 4:07 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:52 PM, TPiwowar wrote:
>
> > Tony is correct.
> >
> > Connection tends to wander off and on at times too. Not so good for
> games.
>
>   I also understand that the bluetooth connection, because it is
> pulsed as opposed to continuous, presents problems as well.
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Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

[db]

Yes, but those are all PC keyboards mostly with separate mice except for 
the expensive ( $185 )one made by Apple and it has no integral pointer / 
mousepad.  

The reason I am looking for such is to turn a white Tiger macbook with a 
broken unreadable screen into a multimedia center machine (mostly for 
downloading and playing movies) by placing it in the cabinet and hooking 
the video to a the large screen LDC digital TV and adding an external 
drive to it. 

It's working great except that it requires getting up from the couch and 
kneeling before the TV cabinet  for every adjustment etc. and THAT is a 
REAL nuisance and kind of defeats everything. 

(So would having a keyboard with a separate mouse as there is no where 
to place the mouse but one's lap.)


Will PC keyboards work with a mac and if so does anyone know of one ... 
PC or Mac ... that has a built in pointer?


I see some here:
http://www.google.com/products?q=wireless+mac+keyboard+with+built+in+touchpad&aq=f 




Has anyone tried this ... or are there other kind of remote controls 
available for a macbook?


Someone mentioned a free app for the iPhone?

db

TPiwowar wrote:

On Aug 2, 2009, at 3:36 PM, db wrote:

wireless keyboard with mouse


http://www.google.com/products?rls=en&q=wireless+keyboard+with+mouse



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Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

[Jordan]

db wrote:
Yes, but those are all PC keyboards mostly with separate mice except 
for the expensive ( $185 )one made by Apple and it has no integral 
pointer / mousepad. 
The reason I am looking for such is to turn a white Tiger macbook with 
a broken unreadable screen into a multimedia center machine (mostly 
for downloading and playing movies) by placing it in the cabinet and 
hooking the video to a the large screen LDC digital TV and adding an 
external drive to it.
It's working great except that it requires getting up from the couch 
and kneeling before the TV cabinet  for every adjustment etc. and THAT 
is a REAL nuisance and kind of defeats everything.
(So would having a keyboard with a separate mouse as there is no where 
to place the mouse but one's lap.)
It seems like the Mac Bluetooth keyboard and a rollerball mouse might 
work for you.
But you'll have to check if they would have enough range for you. The 
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Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

[Jeff Wright]

> Baseball without umpires. Makes a lot of sense. About the only thing
> that could make it better would be to let the players carry guns.

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Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

[Jeff Wright]

>   Ouch!  That hurt.  Do you always paint with such a wide brush?  The
> painter's union would not like that very much.

I make sure that I use painters tape and a tarp so I can afford to use a
wide brush.

There are some Mac users who aren't complete zealots, they're actually
decent to talk to, but you start getting into measuring that concentration
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Re: [CGUYS] Just Imagine

[Jeff Wright]

> > Just imagine if John McCain had won the election boobs like this
> > would be running the country and we would be facing the prospect of
> > our grandchildren speaking Chinese instead of English.

Your grandchildren are going to be speaking Chinese no matter who gets
elected.  Shiny.

Gao yang jong duh goo yang!


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Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

[Jordan]

To continue:
I use the Logitech cordless optical trackman on the iMac that I use for 
EyeTV in the living room. I just checked it and with used batteries it 
was still working from 8 feet away.

I could use one of the bluetooth keyboards, but I haven't sprung for that.

db wrote:
Yes, but those are all PC keyboards mostly with separate mice except 
for the expensive ( $185 )one made by Apple and it has no integral 
pointer / mousepad. 
The reason I am looking for such is to turn a white Tiger macbook with 
a broken unreadable screen into a multimedia center machine (mostly 
for downloading and playing movies) by placing it in the cabinet and 
hooking the video to a the large screen LDC digital TV and adding an 
external drive to it.
It's working great except that it requires getting up from the couch 
and kneeling before the TV cabinet  for every adjustment etc. and THAT 
is a REAL nuisance and kind of defeats everything.
(So would having a keyboard with a separate mouse as there is no where 
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Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

[db]

Speaking of Logitech, since Tom sent the keyboard URL I have been doing 
some more googling around and found some expensive wireless keyboards 
with trackpads (in the $125 range) and one ... the Logitech MediaBoard 
Pro Bluetooth Keyboard  for $69 !!  that is meant for use (30' range) 
with the  Play Station 3. 
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/playstation_3/all/devices/3616&cl=us,en#reviews 



At Smalldog it mentions that this keyboard is programmable for the Mac 
but Logitech says nothing about that or usuge with computers ... just 
mentions playstation 3. 
http://www.smalldog.com/product/71670/atfgc


I can't find a down loadable manual at Logitech or elsewhere...  :(

I'm not a gamer... does anyone know if a keyboard for Play Station 3 
could work with a computer ... specifically a white Tiger MacBook?


db


Jordan wrote:

To continue:
I use the Logitech cordless optical trackman on the iMac that I use 
for EyeTV in the living room. I just checked it and with used 
batteries it was still working from 8 feet away.
I could use one of the bluetooth keyboards, but I haven't sprung for 
that.


db wrote:
Yes, but those are all PC keyboards mostly with separate mice except 
for the expensive ( $185 )one made by Apple and it has no integral 
pointer / mousepad. The reason I am looking for such is to turn a 
white Tiger macbook with a broken unreadable screen into a multimedia 
center machine (mostly for downloading and playing movies) by placing 
it in the cabinet and hooking the video to a the large screen LDC 
digital TV and adding an external drive to it.
It's working great except that it requires getting up from the couch 
and kneeling before the TV cabinet  for every adjustment etc. and 
THAT is a REAL nuisance and kind of defeats everything.
(So would having a keyboard with a separate mouse as there is no 
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[CGUYS] Wireless remote control app for iPhone?

[db]

As another alternative solution re: my previous post ( Wireless keyboard 
w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac?? ) about controlling a white tiger 
laptop attached to a digital TV, I am researching remote control apps 
for the iPhone.


I see ones that will let you control iTunes.  

Does anyone know if there is one for my purposes ... remote controlling 
a Tiger macbook (playing downloaded videos)  from across the room?


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Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

[TPiwowar]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:59 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote:

That's EXACTLY what I mean, Tom. FACTS!


I am not going to waste any more time on you Birthers. You just  
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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[TPiwowar]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote:
FDR was the last one to do such serious, systemic, harm that it the  
effects are still active today.


That's why a grateful nation built a huge monument to honor him.

I know, I know, there is no such monument in lalaland.

BTW, it really is a great monument. If you haven't visited, put it on  
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Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

[Matthew Taylor]

Use a Wireless trackball.

On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:15 PM, db wrote:

(So would having a keyboard with a separate mouse as there is no  
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Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

[TPiwowar]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 8:39 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:

There are some Mac users who aren't complete zealots, they're actually
decent to talk to, but you start getting into measuring that  
concentration

at parts per million.


The problem is really hugely insecure WFBs who are recently enflamed  
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Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT - Michael Crichton

[TPiwowar]

"The greatest challenges facing mankind is the challenge of  
distinguishing reality from fantasy, truth from propaganda.  
Perceiving the truth has always been a challenge to mankind, but in  
the information age (or, as I think of it, the disinformation age) it  
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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[Matthew Taylor]

There were monuments to Lenin, Stalin, Hussein, Mao, et. al.  Your  
point?


On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:35 PM, TPiwowar wrote:


On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote:
FDR was the last one to do such serious, systemic, harm that it the  
effects are still active today.


That's why a grateful nation built a huge monument to honor him.

I know, I know, there is no such monument in lalaland.

BTW, it really is a great monument. If you haven't visited, put it  
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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[Jeff Wright]

> I know, I know, there is no such monument in lalaland.

It's behind the Juniors section.

http://tinyurl.com/kkpg6m


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Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT - Michael Crichton

[Matthew Taylor]

Interesting you should choose the Late Mr. Crichton.  Many in the AGW  
Alarmist camp revile his heretical views that consensus != science.


Matthew

On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:44 PM, TPiwowar wrote:

"The greatest challenges facing mankind is the challenge of  
distinguishing reality from fantasy, truth from propaganda.  
Perceiving the truth has always been a challenge to mankind, but in  
the information age (or, as I think of it, the disinformation age)  
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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

There are differences between shines and monuments/memorials.

One is for the purposes of remembrance one is for the purpose of worship.

Most of the ones you mentioned are no longer with us, having been 
destroyed when the worship of those folks fell into abeyance.


Honestly I think a monument should be pout up for all former US 
presidents.  It is no ordinary individual who becomes president and 
it is an awesome responsibility.


Agree with them or don't agree with them, it is not a free ride.  I 
cannot remember what they say but it ages a man fast to be president.


Stewart


At 08:44 PM 8/2/2009, you wrote:

There were monuments to Lenin, Stalin, Hussein, Mao, et. al.  Your
point?

On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:35 PM, TPiwowar wrote:


On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote:

FDR was the last one to do such serious, systemic, harm that it the
effects are still active today.


That's why a grateful nation built a huge monument to honor him.

I know, I know, there is no such monument in lalaland.

BTW, it really is a great monument. If you haven't visited, put it
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Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

[Minor Paula]

I'm looking for an all in one wireless keyboard with mouse or  
pointer device that can be used for sitting back and working from  
your lap.   Can anyone recommend such?


db


I use the DiNovo Edge with my Mac and love it!  It's not cheap tho.

Paula Minor
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Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

[Minor Paula]

No, but a comment in general. We got a wireless mouse/keyboard combo
once a couple years back. Turns out it's not nearly as useful as it
seems at first.



Tony is correct.

Connection tends to wander off and on at times too. Not so good for  
games.


I think it depends what you want to do with it in your lap.  I just  
use Command-+ to enlarge the font if I have trouble reading it.  ANd  
since I'm not a gamer, that's not an issue.  Besides, if you need to  
use it for gaming, just sit it on the desk.  My DiNovo Edge has been  
very reliable and I don't loose the signal. It is Bluetooth,  
however,so you do need that on your machine.


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Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

[Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.]

Wow- that's the kettle calling the pot black.
You are the Primary denier.
I have no axe to grind- you, on the other hand, have no axe but one with a
Mac imprint deeply engrained.

Eschew Obfuscation

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Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT ...MORE

On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:59 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote:
> That's EXACTLY what I mean, Tom. FACTS!

I am not going to waste any more time on you Birthers. You just  
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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[Matthew Taylor]

Reverend;

If you don't think FDR is worshiped by many you are not paying  
attention.


Matthew

On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:52 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:


There are differences between shines and monuments/memorials.

One is for the purposes of remembrance one is for the purpose of  
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Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT - Michael Crichton

[Matthew Taylor]

To amplify my point:

http://www.crichton-official.com/speech-ourenvironmentalfuture.html

On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:50 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote:

Interesting you should choose the Late Mr. Crichton.  Many in the  
AGW Alarmist camp revile his heretical views that consensus !=  
science.


Matthew

On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:44 PM, TPiwowar wrote:

"The greatest challenges facing mankind is the challenge of  
distinguishing reality from fantasy, truth from propaganda.  
Perceiving the truth has always been a challenge to mankind, but in  
the information age (or, as I think of it, the disinformation age)  
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Re: [CGUYS] Just Imagine

[Mike]

I knew you were browncoat!


On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Jeff Wright  wrote:


Your grandchildren are going to be speaking Chinese no matter who gets
elected.  Shiny.

Gao yang jong duh goo yang!


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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Anyone or anything can be and are worshipped.

Stewart


At 08:59 PM 8/2/2009, you wrote:

Reverend;

If you don't think FDR is worshiped by many you are not paying
attention.

Matthew


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Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

[db]

Need a keyboard too for logging into sites, typing URL's etc

db

Matthew Taylor wrote:

Use a Wireless trackball.

On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:15 PM, db wrote:

(So would having a keyboard with a separate mouse as there is no 
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Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT - Michael Crichton

[TPiwowar]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote:

To amplify my point:
http://www.crichton-official.com/speech-ourenvironmentalfuture.html


Reasonable and thoughtful. However, this speech was given over 4-1/2  
years ago. Since then scientists have accumulated much additional  
evidence. If he were alive today I'm sure he would revise his position.


Of course in lalaland we are invincible. Confident that Captain  
America will fix it using his super cooling breath or something like  
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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[Matthew Taylor]

Agreed.  My point was that what some worship, others loathe.  A  
statue / monument does not make someone great, it only makes them  
popular with those as had the pull to erect the monument.


Matthew

On Aug 2, 2009, at 10:19 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:


Anyone or anything can be and are worshipped.

Stewart




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Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT - Michael Crichton

[Matthew Taylor]

What makes you sure?  Do you have any evidence to support that view?   
Is there anything materially different about our understanding of  
climate between then and now that is especially compelling?


Matthew


On Aug 2, 2009, at 10:35 PM, TPiwowar wrote:


On Aug 2, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote:

To amplify my point:
http://www.crichton-official.com/speech-ourenvironmentalfuture.html


Reasonable and thoughtful. However, this speech was given over 4-1/2  
years ago. Since then scientists have accumulated much additional  
evidence. If he were alive today I'm sure he would revise his  
position.


Of course in lalaland we are invincible. Confident that Captain  
America will fix it using his super cooling breath or something like  
that.





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Re: [CGUYS] Wireless keyboard w. built-in mouse/ pointer for mac??

[db]

Dinovo Edge Hmm $130 ... I see it has a track circle or something.  Does 
that work well? 
Do you know if it will work from the couch 20 ft away or so?


db

Minor Paula wrote:

No, but a comment in general. We got a wireless mouse/keyboard combo
once a couple years back. Turns out it's not nearly as useful as it
seems at first.



Tony is correct.

Connection tends to wander off and on at times too. Not so good for 
games.


I think it depends what you want to do with it in your lap.  I just 
use Command-+ to enlarge the font if I have trouble reading it.  ANd 
since I'm not a gamer, that's not an issue.  Besides, if you need to 
use it for gaming, just sit it on the desk.  My DiNovo Edge has been 
very reliable and I don't loose the signal. It is Bluetooth, 
however,so you do need that on your machine.


Paula Minor
raven880atindy.net
"Even I felt sorry for Richard Nixon when he left; there's nothing you 
can do about being born liberal — fish gotta swim and hearts gotta 
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Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

[phartz...@gmail.com]

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:

> There are some Mac users who aren't complete zealots, they're actually
> decent to talk to, but you start getting into measuring that concentration
> at parts per million.

 Kinda like all those Windows users who tell me that they would love
to switch to Macs but for the fact that they have too much money
already invested in Windows apps.

  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT - Michael Crichton

[TPiwowar]

On Aug 2, 2009, at 10:51 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote:
What makes you sure?  Do you have any evidence to support that  
view?  Is there anything materially different about our  
understanding of climate between then and now that is especially  
compelling?


I'm sure that in lalaland nothing has changed since the last ice age.




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Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep

[Jeff Wright]

>  Kinda like all those Windows users who tell me that they would love
> to switch to Macs but for the fact that they have too much money
> already invested in Windows apps.

Sunk costs is a reasonable ...er... reason for not investing in a new
platform.

Unlike Uncle Moneybags Piwowar, some of us have budgets and limited
resources.  We have to live within our means.


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Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab

[Constance Warner]

Oh, do get real.  In the 1930's, there was 25% unemployment [much  
higher in some places], starvation, ecological collapse, foreign wars  
on the horizon, large numbers of internally displaced people, native  
fascism, a growing U.S. communist party [partly supported by the  
Soviet Union], and an incipient class war.  Working conditions in  
some places in this country [like my home state] were basically Early  
Industrial Revolution--and, if you examine the history, it really was  
as bad as you think.  Things were going to hell very, very fast, and  
it took drastic action to drag the country back from the brink.   
Complete recovery took awhile, but the early measures did help.


The New Deal saved the country from a lot worse situation than we  
have at present.  In fact, FDR's most notable achievement may have  
been saving capitalism; to a lot of people at the time, communism and  
similar systems were looking pretty good, compared to the mess that  
they blamed, rightly or wrongly, on laissez-faire capitalism and Wall  
Street speculators.  (And no cracks about "communism is what we have  
now," please.  As an amateur Kremlinologist with a special interest  
in the satellite countries--remember them?--I know the difference,  
and so do you.)


I'm a little chagrined that I let myself get baited into joining the  
fray.  I just have to believe that the statements about FDR ruining  
the economy are something in the matter of a joke, or at least an  
exaggeration.  But in my home state, the scars of the Great  
Depression are still visible, so I don't think it's particularly funny.


And as for worship: I don't care who worships what, really.  I'm  
actually more concerned about exaggerations and outright lies about  
programs like the cash for clunkers program and other proposals of  
this administration.  I won't even speculate about the motives of  
people who lie and exaggerate, because they're sufficiently evident  
not to need further exposition here.  The economy may be in better  
shape than it was last fall, and some of the current programs seem to  
be having some effect.  But the chances are NOT ZERO that we could  
still have another Great Depression; and certain news [sic]  
reporters, by trying to tear down any Democratic program they see,  
and in particular by lying about those programs, seem to be pushing  
us toward the edge of the cliff.


--Constance Warner

On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote:


Reverend;

If you don't think FDR is worshiped by many you are not paying  
attention.


Matthew

On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:52 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:


There are differences between shines and monuments/memorials.

One is for the purposes of remembrance one is for the purpose of  
worship.



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Re: [CGUYS] Well-thought analysis of MSFT - Michael Crichton

[mike]

You mean of course like a longer timeline of static temps?

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 7:35 PM, TPiwowar  wrote:

> On Aug 2, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote:
>
>> To amplify my point:
>> http://www.crichton-official.com/speech-ourenvironmentalfuture.html
>>
>
> Reasonable and thoughtful. However, this speech was given over 4-1/2 years
> ago. Since then scientists have accumulated much additional evidence. If he
> were alive today I'm sure he would revise his position.
>
> Of course in lalaland we are invincible. Confident that Captain America
> will fix it using his super cooling breath or something like that.
>
>
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